- Hear ye, hear ye, I officially call this Jack Hopkins pre-allocation meeting to order. And so we heard.
- Or 2026. I'm, there we go, trying to get the, not trying, I do have the document open, I'm trying to
- make it a little bigger.
- Is anyone going to be sharing anything on the screen? Well, I was going to ask if we can. Are you able
- to or should I? I think yeah, because then I would have to drive it. It doesn't make sense, but I will
- share that. Join the meeting. I'll make you a cohost and then you can share this with us. Well,
- thank you. Yeah, alright, so patients. Everyone. Please. As I figure out the link or should I be in
- your calendar at all? Do you have access to your calendar?
- I never remember to actually use this calendar, because everything automatically reports to my calendar.
- But zoom meeting. All right, so I figure we will. Why is it not opening for me? By the way, thank you
- very much for that. I didn't respond, but here it is. The email.
- about the agendas, the agenda. Oh yeah, I didn't write them for tonight because we were just going over
- the allocations and I figured we didn't need it. And then as I was driving here, I was like, oh, maybe
- I was supposed to. Although committees are different. Yeah, committees are a little funky. Super. Thank you.
- So I'm going to pull up this document for us to share. And then I'll try to make it bigger because I
- don't have my reading glasses today.
- There we go. Zoom a little bit. Oh, I did that. Okay. So thank you all for your patience with the rubrics.
- I know we were all very late getting up to, or most of us were. So I apologize to our staff who was
- helping us. I'm grateful for the,
- patience as we got it all done. Now, I'm just going to... Okay. Can everybody see that well enough?
- Yep. All right. And you all have access to this document anyway. Well, Esau, just so you know. That's
- over there. It's just purging. All righty. Now, I'm going to test one thing if you guys don't mind.
- I want to see if I... Oh, I can't. You can just open it.
- Are you trying to edit it? No. Oh, OK. I was going to say, can we open it in Google if we need to? Do
- you want to? Well, because this is in Excel. And then it's all formatted funky. Oh, I see. I see. And
- I don't want to mess with that. But we are going to have to edit it as we're going through. So why don't
- I? Sorry, guys. Should I just? Evan said there was one in the drive, right? Yeah, there's one there.
- But I don't know what that is.
- Or like, I don't know, did we? Okay, I do, I think. Cool. I don't know how to get there. Okay, I'm gonna
- stop sharing for a second. This is called committee meetings online. Thank you for your patience. So
- did anybody have any difficulty ultimately at the end of the day, like getting everything settled and
- figured out?
- No, it was a little tricky. Yeah, the rubric was tricky. And I think that the next round, whoever does
- this, it'll be easier. But it was a little tricky, especially with the scoring. Yeah, the scoring tones
- changed. Yeah. It hyperinflated everything, right? So everybody ended up with a high rating,
- except you. Yeah, I don't. You changed the grammars in yours. Yeah.
- Oh yeah, I moved mine to like 10 or more, it was very high, 8 or 9 was high. Because we added things
- because last year, the 5, 6 place made sense. Okay. I don't see it anywhere. Actually, are we able to
- find it in the drive? No, but I don't even know what drive he needs. There's the iDrive and the Google
- sweet drive. Yeah, I was in the Google. I can check the drive. What is it that you're looking for?
- So put this in the Google Drive so we can edit it. So as we're going through, just track what we're
- doing. Just what? If you download it and put it up there, what is it? Well, it's in an Excel sheet.
- And then the formatting is all bananas and hard to read, which we can take the moment to do.
- We have options. And I'm trying to find the quickest one for us.
- I opened it in Google Sheets Online, and it didn't make it too funky. OK. Do you want to join the meeting,
- too, and share? Again, if that's what you do. Would you mind? That's going to make you the secretary.
- Why don't you just try it real quick. Open it and click for it. Instead of open with, just say open
- with Google Sheets. Well, it's attached as an Excel. Yeah. And then you click open with Google Sheets.
- to share your screen real quick. Okay. Okay. Hold on. Here we go. I'm going to share my screen again.
- Okay. So right here, download, drive, or edit with Google Sheets. Isaac, you're a genius. Thanks.
- I mean it. So does this? Yeah. Where? You know when you click it like the way you clicked last time?
- Yeah, I know. It just was supposed to. Did you just click the whole thing? Click like the middle of
- it? Look at it. And then at the top, where it said, yeah, do that. Edit the latest. There we are. Do this.
- And that, my friends. And if you share with us the link, we could all actively edit it as well.
- Or just share. Just click Share and then type our names in or something. It'll all work. I think we
- should all actively shoot. And if you're in charge, don't just sit here to make suggestions. Everybody
- suck tells me. OK.
- You all have editing privileges. I just sent you all a notification. You can get in there. Thank you.
- Thank you for helping me figure this out. OK. So I guess we'll just go in order of how they're listed
- here on this document. And I think one suggestion, just a minor one, a sense check one, is that if you
- average out
- because we've averaged out the scores, but we haven't averaged out the amounts. We haven't. And so if
- we add, and I can do that real quick, but if we, if everybody's okay with it, I suggest that we add
- an average amount on this side to sort of see if we're getting involved or if that gives us something
- to move on. And then do we want to organize it by score to go highest to lowest? Like, would that make
- it easier? Like the average scores? Yeah. Yeah.
- Yeah, we could do that. Rather than just going in that order that it's in right now, because that's
- usually what we do. Yeah, we do the highest to lowest. Okay, I'm gonna. I don't mind like switching.
- I just don't want to mess up whatever you're doing.
- think about work. Oh, you might be able to sort the very high. There's a column that's the very high,
- high, maybe that one. The right up here, this one, the Oh,
- Right. Because I think these are grouped together. I think they're linked, so I might have to. But I'm
- going to try doing it by column X. Okay. Make sure you. Okay. But did you. Yeah, make sure you.
- Yeah. Actually, I'm sorry. It will change by itself. Yes. Well, and it should because it's Google Sheets.
- It takes everything from it. Okay.
- reasonable, like a show at risk of life. But I'm just noting that if you essentially, just a, just a
- quick note, if we essentially gave the average of what we're suggesting, well, our money just fell without
- any, without any questions, we don't go over or under, we're at, we're like four and nine, three. Oh.
- So just, just noting that this, you know. Well, that's a really good start. I think maybe then that helps.
- I think we can talk through each of these pretty quickly then, and if anybody has strong feelings about
- what the allocation came out to, we can have a discussion if we want to change anything. Otherwise,
- go us for being in good shape. Yeah, thank you. We'll see. Yeah, that's why I was like trying to, like,
- oh, this is like very annoying to look at like this. All right. So we're ready to start. Start with
- Hoosier Hills Food Bank.
- Yeah. All right. So they rated the highest average score. The minimum that they got was six.
- The max was 11.5. Average allocation was $39,063.29 and they requested $40,000. I'm the only one who
- didn't give them full. But that was just by virtue of spreading it out. Everybody else gave them full.
- I did not give them full. Oh, you did too. I see that. Yeah. I didn't give anybody full.
- Well, no, I lied. I did give a few full, but I, because they were my highest, I did like, uh, I kind
- of weighed down my numbers and did like this group gets 90%. This group gets 85% as my starting base.
- But then the really big asks like who's your Hills tandem. Those had to be calculated separately. Anyway,
- that was my explanation. So does anybody have any thoughts or feelings about
- changing Hoosier Hills. I was just going to check though, and I don't know if we all want to do these.
- It's like, you know, if we're not, if we're not giving people full amounts, I think we should verify,
- you know, what they said they were, their funding priorities, right? So I think that that's maybe the,
- the balancing to make sure that they can. Well, right. Cause if, cause if they ask for 40,000, you give
- them 39, like, I don't know.
- That I mean, that in their case, in their case, that probably works because of what because of what
- they're asking for. I think for some other, the sort of like project one, two, three, and, you know,
- like half on project three. Right. So, well, in the. Applications turning the new name for the application.
- That's not listed right there. You'd have to go into their budget sheets. Yeah, that's not listed as
- a standard part of the.
- application anymore. I mean, maybe it's not worth pulling teeth about it in many ways as well because
- they, I mean, I guess they can self-adjust, right? So if it ends up being that they spent $11,000 instead
- of $12,000 because it didn't make sense to spend $12,000. Right. Well, unless anybody had specific feedback
- in their allocations, like, look, I know you said you wanted this money for A, B, and C. I'm giving
- you X amount.
- because I think I'm prioritizing A. That's how I want you to put them into it. We can talk about that
- until we get to any of those specific issues. But I don't think we have a lot of that this year. Yeah,
- sorry. No, thank you. All right. Mother Hubbard's covered. Next, they requested $13,182. They scored
- a 10.0. They got very close to full $12,769.07.
- Any feedback on that from anybody? Any big feelings? No. All right. Great. Wheeler mission? Well, I
- guess my one feeling is that, like back to kind of the point, you know, we just kind of moved on from
- the budget thing, but like they asked for such a specific number, 13,182. So it was kind of like. Right.
- Why? Yeah. Why not just?
- Cause I also wonder in terms of how we want to, do we want to create some sort of system for projects
- that get like around the number versus ones, like all the ones that like a certain number of like the
- highest ones, like we fully fund them or if it's a capital project where it's there depending more on
- like full funding to may have to like buy the van, you know, like, yeah, it feels like $7,000. Right.
- We could put an asterisk by ones like this and then revisit what happens in bleeding. I also think that
- a lot of nonprofits, if it's like, you know, like $13,180 on the Harvard cover is going to be able to
- figure out how to get that additional $182. I don't think that we should worry too much about this until
- we get to the end. And then yeah, if anything extra that makes sense,
- by looking at their project to round them back up to that. That'd be fine. I mean, I know that after
- listening to T&M and how they can make payroll, that's a different situation, but an organization that's
- been around for the Hoverstover, they can probably come up with the, well, when we round it down. Well,
- and I feel like we're so close to their full past,
- When we get further down to the lower priority ones, if we're not close to their full ask, and it is
- one of these rounds, we're not going to round it up to that full number just because we want to make
- it even. So at least I don't imagine we would. But we can like asterisk this for our list to come back
- to. One additional point is that the summit hill,
- said no to partial funding. The only one says looks like. So everybody said yes. So it's in those four.
- So these people do that, right? Well, I can't come out of some other word. So wondering also because
- we that that one is missing a few. So we're missing we're missing Andy Dave's and obviously yours then.
- And we're missing an allocation amount from Catherine.
- For what, Summit Hill? For Summit Hill. And then I'm assuming, if things are left blank, we assume they're
- zeros. So, like, so, like, Sobri, Nessa, did you mean to zero them out, Eddie? They were low on how
- I scored them. So, I think that they have a worthwhile project, but if I'm funding everything else,
- they can't fund everybody, right? So, for Nessa, I did not fund
- the co-authored living, and I'm happy to share that. If we can wait until we get that one, I did not
- find hotels very cold, so. Yeah, we can talk about when we get to ones that any of us did fun, we should
- talk about why. Yeah. And I'm just thinking, I just want to make sure we have them in the zeros because
- it will change the calculation there, right? Oh, no, it doesn't actually change the calculation in the
- zeros. Good. Oh, super. All right. So we have mother Hubbard's cupboard asterisked.
- Wheeler Mission. Could I just say something? Yeah. No, I funded Summit Hill for $20,000. Great. Yeah.
- If it didn't appear, I think some of the things didn't appear because I think Andy funded Sober Mesa
- for recommended funding and it's blank. Okay, good. Some of these fields are blank for... I was going
- to say, why don't you all take a moment, everybody check your
- allocations. Andy, double check through your list. Make sure there's nothing blank that shouldn't be
- blank. Oh, OK. So you're going to have to leave, because I got my allocations up on one computer screen.
- You have to leave my so I can see on your document. OK, let me check mine, and then I'll go over to
- yours and show you yours. Have sad. OK, OK. Send it to where it made the changes, please.
- Yeah, I only didn't fund one so. That looks good handy. Any reason you would want to keep this originally
- document as a original record? Is that safe someone? Yes, yeah, because we opened it as a Google Doc,
- but it's saved as an Excel. OK, OK, OK, so ready Andy. So yeah, so.
- It's, um, I did zero some out, but, but, okay. So it shows you zeroed summit Hill hotels for hope. No,
- that's totally wrong. I gave hotels for up all kinds of money. Um, okay. Okay. So wait a minute. Um,
- uh, so you're saying summit Hill hotels for hope. What else does it show them that I Bloomington cooperative living.
- Okay, Billy McQuarrick of Living, I gave them $5,000. Okay, but then this suggested everything's wrong.
- Like, how do you trust it? So, and then could, did we mess it up when we switched, when we organized
- it? Shouldn't have, but might not.
- So I think we have to, I mean, if you find more than two irregularities in the same person's thing,
- then you have to assume that all of it's wrong. Like we can't proceed assuming that it's right. You
- see what I'm saying? So I'm looking at my form now. I had Sober Mesa. I had 9,500 for them. Does this
- have me zeroing out Planned Parenthood? I had 5,000, I believe, for Planned Parenthood. Let's see.
- What was the big one that we just talked about? Hotels for Hope. I gave Hotels for Hope 29,000. Okay.
- Yeah, so something. Should we reconstruct this form? I'm just, I'm like, why would it have been that
- wrong? Right. I gave Summit Hill 21. Okay. Okay. So can you access the Excel version? Yeah.
- I'm just trying to figure out the best way. Should we just work off the Excel version? We can go back
- to the... Well, here's a suggestion, is that if we put it in alphabetical order, and then we all just
- paste our data directly into the file from our own folders. Okay. And then we have access to Katniss.
- We can pull hers up and paste it in. Yes. Okay.
- Before we do that, let's know. Yeah, because I'm just saying I'm noticing that the original document.
- It's wrong. So we made yeah, it looks like I went back to like the original that you just opened and
- it's like the Excel version is wrong. Yeah. Okay, so let's so yeah, so let's so let's start a clean
- document. Well, we have we're already on this one so that we don't right and so so so sort this by.
- I'm going to sort by organization name, right? All right. So are you doing that? Yeah, I'll do that.
- Okay. Thank you. And then everybody, everybody should sort your individual spreadsheets by organization
- name. Okay. If anybody's typing right now, stop typing just for Sam. Cause it won't let me sort while
- you're typing. You will have your scores separately that you're going to copy them. That's not the Excel
- sheet. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Now I'm on board. This gets confusing.
- Yeah. Okay. I'm going to stop Sherry so that I can do mine without you guys having to get a headache
- looking at mine. Does that make sense, everybody? It does. We're all on the same page. Are we just?
- Oh, nevermind. It doesn't matter. So some vertical merge.
- Students. All of a sudden I'm really hungry.
- Once you sorted it, we're just taking what columns, just the recommendation and amount. Is that right?
- Are we doing the scores? Score, recommendation, amount. Score, recommendation, amount. Is it in that
- order? Yes, they are in that order.
- So if you paste values only in the first like your top leftmost one and you have copied all of your
- columns and you just say paste special values only that should put all of the data in there without
- messing anything up. Okay so yeah because you want to right click on that then when you go to paste it
- I am glad to learn this hard way last night when I was working. Andy, you doing okay with getting yours all set?
- No, I you're technologically out of my league here completely. I don't know how to, you know,
- trust me to. Oh, yeah. Mine was unusual because member Courtney, you said the you were the only one
- who had access to mine or something the way you yours. I copied and pasted it. OK. Yeah. OK. I can deploy
- it because I'll have access if he does.
- Okay. I mean, you can, you can access that ever since then. Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay. Spot check mine. We
- think of opposite way.
- That's the way.
- Anyone speak to this vertical merge?
- You see up to look happens to you. Oh, thank you. They open this which is the ready to be captured because
- the picture. Okay.
- Thank you. Andy, I can do yours. Oh, thanks. Thanks. Here, are you able to get into this? I think. Oh,
- no, no, no. No, no, no. What's in the drive is not right. I see. OK, who has? I have it. Have it, OK.
- Yeah. The trick is you have to hide the top column, because it won't let you do vertical integration.
- Yes, that was my problem. So hide the columns one through three. Oh, one through three. And then so
- the top one, so the top one says organization. Yes.
- Can I just delete the rows? You may not want to do that, because you need to open them. And then now
- you should be able to sort by. And then at the bottom, it would have sorted the total column at the
- bottom. So it's a total junta. Oh. So it's going to keep going. Yeah.
- Yeah. And the one. Okay. Yeah. So, uh. Okay. This can't be right because um like I I scored so I gave
- him 1010. It's not showing up but they're all the totals are all down. So, that's impossible. I mean,
- so, somehow,
- So many sewers are replicating in everyone's. Yes. That's why I sent the message saying everybody needed
- to make a copy of their own. That shouldn't work that way. What's that mean? What is going on here?
- Let me just come here. The reason why this isn't a real number. That's not a real number.
- This should say equals that. That's your number, right? So check against that. Well, that's strange
- that I'm still, you know, just, right? Yeah, just double check, because, oh, and, oh, and then if you're
- like me, that problem, and we both hit those columns instead of copying them, instead of deleting them.
- Didn't paste. Yeah, first I. Deleted it. But then OK, I see what I need to do. And then we can hopefully
- freeze. Organization brow. He's one row perfect. If you freeze real one,
- then when you go to sort of A through Z, it doesn't pull that into it. And then we still just need to
- know if this is at the bottom. Does it not work for you? It worked. Mine worked. Mine definitely worked.
- mine did not work. They're all scrambled for instance. I don't know what happened. Where was your sheet
- again? I wonder if it gets scrambled there too.
- Like the one does, does he turn a little bit here. This was good enough that that wasn't. Okay, that's
- what happened. Okay. So yeah, mine's right too. I wonder if this is the last couple that got turned
- in. You know, because we gave him the phone for me. I'm not so clear. Well, let's check it. We killed
- him as a test case. Yeah. So the mess was wrong before as well.
- Yeah, I think that's correct. I look right now? Yeah, yeah. OK. Yeah, so that's what we did wrong. OK.
- So it's sorted, but it didn't. And I see, actually, exactly why you still don't have filters on them.
- So I don't know. OK. Normally, I love Google Docs, but tonight, you've only a lot of value when you
- do them, don't you? I do, yeah. What about August's cabin?
- Okay, let's, let's test it. Yeah, let's do this.
- Could I just leave? He can't take me with him. Yeah, versus mine though. I mean, versus the default
- of mine. I didn't just go. It's not my fault. Okay.
- So Andy? Yeah? I don't see any scores in your rubric. I just want to make sure that's accurate. No,
- that's not accurate. There should be some. Now, there are a few that I just
- became sort of frustrated with and didn't score, but I left an amount for everyone. No, I see amounts.
- Yeah, but but a few only if there's probably maybe 20% or so, or maybe a quarter of them will not have
- a rubric point ranking, but but 75% of it should have a majority of it should have. I'm looking at it
- right now.
- Let me see. You have numbers in yours? Oh, I see. Maybe a bunch of them I didn't total. I didn't. No,
- that's fine. As long as you have amounts, I just wanted to verify. Yeah.
- Yeah. Look at column P, like I have it all blank from what I'm looking at. Is that? We have an A to
- column. Column P? Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Courtney, column P is blank. But- Okay. Thank you very much.
- But columns I, J, K, L, M, they have numbers in most of them. Yeah. Yeah. But that's not- Okay. Yeah.
- We don't need that for the final rubric that we're putting together.
- Okay. I see. Are you able to access the group documents now that we just opened up the Jack Hopkins
- grant recommendation compilation? You had it up a minute ago, right? Yes. All right. I'm going to put
- it back up. I want you to take a look and make sure your column looks right for me while I handle. Okay.
- And yours is? So Catherine's is not at all correct. No, Catherine's is mine. And I didn't ask Catherine's
- at all. I accessed my rubric. My camera shared with me. So what Catherine sent was yours? I think somehow
- Catherine's rubric was replaced by mine. Where did you pull Catherine's from? Was it from the email
- she sent? Yeah. Yeah.
- And I'm pulling it from the individual graded version. And if you click on hers, if you go to- Okay,
- no, no, no. The individual graded version, we're gonna be wrong. Yeah, pull it from the email she just
- sent. Catherine, or Cameron said she did. Yeah, I think Cameron, I think it all goes to the same location.
- Andy, is that looking okay for what you see so far? Is there a magical way that I can,
- make mine alphabetical? This is yours. It is alphabetical. No, mine's not. Because Amethyst House is
- not at the top. At the top of mine is... Oh, it is. It is. I made yours alphabetical when I copied it.
- Oh, OK. OK. I remember it wasn't that way originally. So it wasn't. I just did it now so I could copy
- these directly into the new document. Yeah, it looks right now. OK.
- We can do a spot check. For Boys and Girls, for example. Let me see. Boys and Girls. We can do a spot
- check. Take a look at, you said Summit Hill, you knew you gave them $21,000. That's correct. Okay, wait.
- Let me look back at Boys and Girls Club. I have 14 recommended. Yeah. Yeah. 14. Yeah. Okay.
- And then 3300. And then, yeah. Yeah. That's looking 10, 5, 15. Yeah. Yeah. That looks right now.
- Yeah. Awesome. Okay. Thank you. Good work. Thank you. Here's this funky where it's like, of course I'm
- going to lane is funky. Yeah. And you scroll to the bottom. Oh, I know what I did. I'm going to have
- to fix it because I just fix it. Yeah. I just have to take those two out. You can just delete them and
- move up. Yes.
- Thank you. But we don't have any scores. And these numbers are in his amount recommendations are in.
- Yeah, sorry. I didn't know that. Yeah, I just got frustrated with those calculating the totals of numbers
- just for the overall rubric ranking or rubric number. So I'm sorry. I apologize for that. OK, no, that's
- it was a mess.
- No, don't worry. We're straightening it out. It's all good. So do we have a way of contacting Catherine
- to ask her if she has a copy of her? I can text her. I was just going to say I can send her an email,
- but it might be faster to text. There's maybe what she can do is go into her document
- If what she's pulling up is showing what Eddie had, maybe all she needs to do is like kind of undo a
- few steps and I pull her stuff back up. We've got to worry. While I'm doing that, can you all go in and
- Where you have zeros, particularly, and camera. Can you actually put the zeros? So.
- Um, Evan sent us a document of the, of the compiled, um, today at five 11. That seems to be that has
- captured stuff there. This email here. Okay. And because it's he, he sent it as an attachment and not
- as a link to the Google drive. So, um, I'm going to refer that to everyone here. And, um, that's where
- we started.
- That's where we started. So this document is right in Catherine's stuff. But how do you know it's right?
- I mean, whatever was on there. Yeah, that's true. Whatever was on there was, who knows where that was
- coming from. But yeah, but the Google Drive is incorrect. It's definitely incorrect. You're right. Yeah,
- Catherine's still matches yours in this. In the Google Drive? In the Google Doc that was attached. Yeah.
- Oh, you're right.
- Wait, are we sure it actually matches, or was she working off of your rubric and just kept the comment?
- So the numbers actually match? The numbers say 489200. Okay. So I'm looking at it, and here's Catherine,
- and I rounded all my stuff, and Catherine did. So Catherine recommended that, so let's go down some though.
- which I can't, on the non. She gave someone else one grand. So this- And where are you looking? On Evan's
- document? Evan's document that he sent us in an attachment. Right, but that- But let that happen. Sorry.
- just like, I don't, I don't know how you can trust that document. If we found it's treated in multiple
- errors in it. So this is like without problems. I think Evan just accidentally copied and pasted. It's
- like Katherine Eddie's, Andy's and Dave's own batch. Yeah. So exactly. Yeah. So I'm here. So I think
- he just accidentally copied and pasted their walk because do you see, they think you were looking at mine.
- Well, if they were coming from the drive, that Google drive that they were all in, they were all gonna
- be messed up. Cause that's why I went in there over the weekend and I saw everybody had like the same
- exact. I didn't even know we had our own. Well, that's how I knew. Cause I pulled mine up. I hadn't
- even done my rubric yet and it was all filled out and it was not at all what I would have worn in any
- way. I was like, oh, this is somebody else's work. It's saved across all of them.
- people didn't have their own individual links in there. So I think that is where this was going wrong.
- You can get updated. It did, okay. We're almost there guys.
- It's weird that it's just like, so it just stopped dating. Because remember I showed it to you, and
- I showed that, that's when I kicked my ass. And now I'm reading back, now I can say I did all two visits.
- But you know, we're looking at five-year-old school. Oh, okay, I was about to say you don't. I mean,
- he says five-year-old, and I'm five. It's not effective.
- But I'm also just like not being held on his head. She had asked me, like, did I not think of opportunities?
- She said they had already reached out to you and I was like, well, that's cool stuff. And she's been
- keeping it up to you. Here's a thought. So we got everybody else's right now? He has a twin sister.
- Is everybody else just in there correctly? I think so. Because I'm thinking we could, for now, until
- Katherine responds, we can basically
- Zero goes out for the moment. We've alerted her to the thing. Just a suggestion, we could zero it out.
- She could, if she sends ours, we can go through the conversations that we were going through, and then
- we can basically validate and see if her answers wildly throw off any of our numbers. That's a great
- idea. Because it may well be that her numbers end up coinciding with ours. Exactly. Does that
- seem reasonable, everyone?
- Yes. So I'm going to clear Catherine's. OK, thank you. And then? And then I'm going to go through a
- couple of these average allocations need to be fixed, because they don't have the zeros in them. They
- just have blanks. So Eddie, did you? Who did that? I'm just doing that. I'll save you. No, you're good.
- You're good. You gave courage to change silver living zero. Yes. OK. Because they explored the room.
- Just checking.
- It might be ideal to, once Catherine's is zeroed out to maybe make a original copy, save that version
- until you get Catherine's, just in case you get records for pluses. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. I think we
- have to completely remove it when she... I think so, sorry. For this, and then until she has a copy,
- adding her back in.
- So we can just duplicate the whole bottom sheet, is that what you're saying? And then we can pull her
- out of one and then keep, and then. As long as there's one, you won't be seeing your original data,
- if you will, like the record of copyright. Copy of record. No missing. I was just gonna say, yeah, another
- tab in the. Yeah. Perfect. And then. Missing Katherine. And then I'm gonna delete Katherine from this.
- Okay, so right now we're gonna work off the missing Katherine tab. Yes.
- But let me fix this. Well, yeah, that has to be divided by six, but also... Okay, actually, and I can
- keep the plus those cells, right? You're removing our cells, or? Yeah, but now look at the coffin. Right,
- because you removed your cells. Okay, what... That's what, yeah, unremove your cells. Leave the cell
- in there for a second. Okay.
- Okay, and what cell is that? That's N4. Is that right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, no. Oh, no, no. Since there
- are three. Also, it's averaging out EM zeros for every... I'll fix that. ...happened to... I always
- like to ask, I mean... And he said he... So that looks... Yeah, it's a calendar. Yeah, I told them.
- He says my name. Yeah, I did not. We asked him.
- So you were nice in terms of how she wanted a way to do that. That was not how I really thought of that.
- I don't even know how to think of it.
- Maybe the scores don't matter so much. The average score matters more. Yeah.
- And the range just shows how much we are in disagreement. But all my scores are the minimum ones. I
- was adding them. So I actually think that this data doesn't matter as much as we think. So I think the
- average score is the most important point. And let's just do this in the simplest way possible.
- But also, Andy doesn't have scores. And also, your scores are there. If your scores are all not on the
- same scale. None of our scores are on the same scale.
- Yeah, I was, I'm confused about all of your scales because clearly mine is right. No, but I don't think,
- I don't think it matters too much because, because we have, I mean, okay, two thoughts, two thoughts
- here. One is that looking back at the averages, we're back in the same territory. We're actually now,
- we spent more money if we do with, by removing, by removing Catherine's.
- So that puts us at 497 if you average out all of the recommended allocations. Now that we've corrected
- that for things that we're missing. Okay, so I think all that really matters, yeah, is the
- average allocations. Like, we can forget about the scores. Really, that's not going to impact. We know
- what we scored then.
- Right. And as we're going through each one, we have our argument to make for or against. I mean, yeah,
- let me, or we can just use the average scores, I guess. Right. Well, just because you were saying everybody
- did it, I've got a different. Yeah. I mean, that was my thinking, but. Scale a bit. Yeah. And I don't
- know why some of these are, and then we, some have some of them, some of us don't have scores. So. Yeah.
- Cause Andy didn't, his scores for some reason aren't in the sheet. I'm seeing them. So she, I think
- she worked out. Okay.
- Oh, she is. Did she just send the? Yeah, she's. She wants to work. Oh, she said she'll redo it tonight.
- It's OK. It's OK. Please do not. Monday, right? I'm just going to sit in. It is the most Monday of Mondays.
- OK. Well. All right. And we can actually we can do the validation.
- later. Okay, sorry. I think we're back on track, everyone. Okay. All right. So we're just going to go
- through alphabetically with these, right? Rather than trying to do the high score, low, whatnot. Thank
- you for your patience, everyone, and thank you for your help. Well, we caught that. Yes, absolutely.
- Okay. So, but we're still, if we scroll down to the bottom, we're still under
- It didn't change our total summation being under what we're allotted to be able to award. And that's
- huge. We could just give the money and run and be like, all right, we did our work. Everybody's allocated.
- But I think we should go through each one pretty quickly. It's not going to take a lot of time. And
- make our arguments for or against any increases or decreases if we feel strongly.
- So Amethyst House requested $21,700. We are allocating $15,532.86. I'm going to pull my sheet up on
- the phones. $18,121. What? Can you refresh your screen? Yeah.
- I'm on the missing Catherine tab. Oh, go to the other one. We're just doing the other one. The other
- one. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I guess they're technically both missing Catherine. Yeah. Sorry. No, that's okay.
- So we're, we're working off this one. This is the correct double check the math there just to make sure.
- So this is everybody's divided by six is what is what it should be.
- Can you double click on that? Yeah, that's everybody divided by six. Yeah, this is everybody divided
- by six. Okay. Should we get rid of the other sheet to avoid confusion? Is that the one that was,
- or is that? We don't want to. I think this thing, Catherine, can be the record of in case there's a
- records request, you have that original. Well, we kept her on this one. We just fixed the equations.
- I feel like keeping her where we can plug in her stuff later and see if
- Where the records for a question that will be fine. Where it still has the formulas for divided by seven.
- Okay, got it. Does that make sense to you? Yeah. No, sorry. Oh, okay. So that's what we divide by seven.
- That's where we'll plug her stuff in. Yeah. And then this one just is divided by six. So it's accounting
- for their being one less. Okay. And the formulas. All right. That's super. All right. Sorry. I was playing mine.
- up on my phone so I can see as we're talking through. So Amethyst House, 21,700. We've got a little
- over 18,000. Any thoughts or feelings there? Andy, you still with us? Yeah, yeah, I got it. So yeah.
- Everybody good with the 18,000? Any thoughts about the Amethyst House request or feelings?
- Okay, so the Avalon Community Land Trust, they requested 20,800. We have them in at $13,667. I'm gonna
- compare into what I put. We can do that if they want. Any thoughts or feelings on Avalon? All right,
- Beacon requested 7,000.
- 377. We gave them just over 7,000. Going once, going twice. All right. We're going to move down to Big
- Brothers, Big Sisters of South Central Indiana. They requested 25,000. We have averaged 14,066. Anybody
- want to talk about that at all?
- I mean, I... You didn't want to give them any money? Yeah, they just didn't make it. But I gave full
- funding as long as I could get full funding down the road. So that's why they didn't get any. They just
- were past my threshold. Okay. So you're okay with giving them money? You didn't rate them a priority
- at all? It doesn't feel like an emergency service to me. I feel like we have other needs that I would
- want to put money
- towards versus big brothers, big sisters. It doesn't feel like an emergency need to me. We want to put
- an asterisk here and come back. Well, for security, unless they have a security. We're thinking Boys
- and Girls Club. This is mentoring. The Boys and Girls Club is security, the building. I just wanted
- them to expand. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I mean, I think it indirectly, it's not an emergency
- service, but indirectly,
- prevents emergencies by supporting children, supporting folks. So I'm fine with the allocation. I wanted
- to give them more. I'm fine revisiting after we hit some other ones too. It is a different philosophy
- though, isn't it? I mean, Cameron's philosophy is one that says, look, you fully fund very high ones.
- I mean, more closely tied to the rubric.
- versus if we average out, I think essentially watered down the significance of the rubric, right? Because
- at the end of the day, we're just, I mean, we have some folks who are medium getting more money than
- people that are on average very high. Yeah, and I think, I mean, that's where the subjectivity of some
- of the rubric comes in. You know, cause I have big brothers ranked as medium.
- And yeah, they were just medium for me too. Okay. It was medium. It was like the lower. But then I allocated
- money to medium people. Like I only didn't allocate money to one and I only had one low, but like, but
- I'm just saying like it's a, it is a different, it's a different philosophy that I think we have to
- contend with, which, you know, like whether, whether the way that we want to approach this is saying
- that, you know, if across the board, you're very high, you know, should you not get, I mean,
- Do you not start with the perspective of everybody who's very high gets full funding? That's what I
- did. That's what I did. I funded everyone very high, full funding. And then medium, I think I did 80%,
- which for Big Brother. Which is arbitrary, right? But like. Well, I just, but I did 80% for all the
- mediums. Yeah. And then I did medium, well, like 60% or whatever plus the next category, medium, whatever
- or so. But no.
- Yeah, I get the competing philosophies. Because I mean, but then on the other hand, on the other hand,
- I'm like, okay, so then to Courtney's point about the subjectivity, you know, that was an arbitrary
- decision to go to 80, right? And I might just have the same philosophy and stuck at 90. The point is
- that then if we, in either case, we might then want to average out our suggestions, right?
- I took a similar approach. I did not start with the highest ones getting full funding. I started at,
- I don't remember if it was 90 or 95%. You started with the assumption that you weren't going to fully
- fund anyone? Yeah, because I was like, I can't give everybody. Yeah, I just didn't think I'd be able
- to fund everyone and keep some at full funding, especially anybody that requested, I think,
- 25,000 or more. I was like, I'm going to have to set those aside for consideration at the end. No matter
- how badly I want to fully fund them, I might not be able to give a full 50 or 40,000. But then doesn't
- that mean, so somebody is watching this meeting and the way that we deliberate and goes, well, next
- time I'm applying for $100,000,
- for emergency services because I'll know they'll find me at 80%. You don't know that yet. You run the
- risk. Look what happened last year with the horse farm when they requested $200,000 and they don't need
- to buy anything. But that was on the narrative. We did not think it was that. I'm just saying some of
- these folks, what keeps... Beacon could have asked for $30,000 and they asked for $7,000.
- And so do we weigh the ass, like does that, if it's high, very highly ranked and a low amount of money,
- it feels, I'm just trying to say like, and maybe I'm just thinking out loud that I'm wrong, but is it
- wrong for us to treat that the same as large ass,
- soon saying like you end up giving you end up giving you know 50,000 to something that's high beacons
- very high and we end up giving them, you know, 90% of their do you see what I'm saying. I don't know
- if I hear what you're saying. But I mean, I was one also who suggested like let's just average come
- out and start from there. But I'm just
- you know, the more that I think about it, I'm just like, I just want to make sure that we all feel like
- this is actually representing our work. I mean, the thing that I felt is like, I did a search through
- like the bridge funding, loss of federal funding, all of the things like the emergency elements of like
- the applications this year looks different than it has in past years. So for me, that's why it felt
- very important to, for the very high applications that were super oriented about filling a need to like
- fully fund those before like looking into the things that feel less urgent.
- because like, like to your point, I'd be like, big brothers, big sisters, like, yeah, like long in terms
- of lasting impact, like that is kind of like a preventative measure, but also then we have these big
- asks being requested because like Kendricks County is losing their VOCA funding. And so, and they asked
- for a lot of money and so that that feels like a war. Yeah. And that played into, you know, some of
- my funding decisions, but I will also, you know, to, he starts averaging and also deliberating. I mean,
- this is where,
- you can kind of leave in the middle because this is an imperfect rubric with some other other factors.
- And especially a perfect rubric. So I think that us going through each one and in some of us accepting
- averages as opposed to how I would like funded big bucks to make money and I'm okay with 14-6, right?
- So I think that
- This is helping and it mitigates some of the differences in every once in a while. This is why we have
- the human-garden purpose. It is an imperfect system, but us discussing this is very helpful. I'm happy.
- I funded them fully, but I'm happy with the number of the average. Okay. And you know, we all also all
- look at this in a different way. So it's like, when tandem came in and spoke, it hit me.
- in a different way because I've worked with all these nonprofits and I've seen, I don't work with everyone
- on this list. So it's, I mean, we're all coming from different lenses, even if we're all using a brick,
- it's a factor. We're going to bring our own views into it. My bias is that I was that big and I don't
- like big brothers, big sisters, so I have to check that as well. It's very true. Social wise, there's
- seven of us, right? Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I have my own biases that I know of.
- I'm working really hard to fight against, you know? But that's what my roommate spoke for them this
- time, which I was proud of myself for. But I didn't interrupt you, Courtney, sorry. No, you're good.
- You're good. Yeah, no, I mean, I have one I'm going to make a strong argument about when we get to it,
- because it was one that I felt very strongly about when we get there. Me too. So, good. All right. So
- are we going to asterisk? Was this the one that, or are we not going to?
- I feel like I'm the only deserter and I'm conceding. Would you reduce it to zero because you didn't
- give them anything? Or would you, you know, adhering to us, would you reduce it, you know, by more than,
- what did they ask? 20? Or 20? 25? 20. And a couple gave us, you gave them 20, you gave them zero, is
- 14 too high for you?
- Or a unit. Is one, I guess, I guess like putting a star by it would be good because it's one that- Yeah,
- we can go back. Personally, we find like one small amount. I don't want to zero them out. I think it
- also, it only will come into issue if we hit something that Kevin's very passionate about and it gets-
- Yeah. Nothing. And then- Okay. And then there's an argument to be made. So I think that- Yeah. If we
- asked for it to say, hey, this is one we would revisit to move some money. For sure. Yeah. Okay.
- That's a good point, thank you. Bloomington Cooperative Living, they requested 8,500 and got 2,500.
- Does anybody have a? So I'm fine with giving them money if this group wants to give them money, but
- they repeatedly during their presentation talked about fair housing, and then they mentioned age as
- discriminatory against fair housing, right? I mean, they talked about retaining young people. That's
- discriminatory.
- I think he was just, he didn't understand what your housing is, right? And I'm fine with that, but because
- I worked in that field, I felt like I can't have someone say your housing, but if, like I was going
- to use it, so. I would just say the three of us gave zero, and so half of us have given zero. So I don't
- know if that, how that weighs. Again, maybe it's an asterisk to come back to, but. I felt like their target,
- population didn't fully fall under our population's need. And I also felt like their ass didn't make
- any sense. He couldn't name any global outreach for getting more people in the door. But so a digital
- outreach strategy made no sense to me at all. I was like, that's something silly, but. And once again,
- it's a jewel, but I mean, if they don't, then there's a chance for me in certain periods too. But I do,
- I think that there's merit in alternative housing. I think that they, what they're doing is good, but
- call it fair housing is not. Yeah. So Ms. Snowden at the very least. I gave them less than 50% what
- they asked. And I'm not against adjusting that. I'm fine with 2,500. I think I'd be fine with zero too,
- if you guys want to make a strong argument.
- I could reduce mine based upon your comments, because it didn't occur to me that it would be against
- fair housing. I can reduce mine. I'm happy to reduce mine, too. I had five, I think, $5,000 for them.
- So when you guys say you're happy to reduce, you mean down to zero? Yes. Yeah. OK. I mean, I don't want
- to issue anything that would be discriminatory, actually.
- doesn't opportunity. Yeah. I mean, it just, I worry about, you know, are they helping people who are
- able, you know, like someone in the wheelchair, are they going to make sense accessible for them? I
- just don't know any of those questions. And he didn't help this case by saying, by using the term young
- or keeping young. And they're not actively discriminatory. Just more, I feel it speaks to the ways they're
- not intentional. Yeah. Right. And the way that we want
- Yeah. Okay. I made the change. So that sounds good to me. Okay. Boys and Girls Club of Bloomington.
- So this is the one that had the security. They requested 20,000. We've averaged 14,000. Anybody have
- feelings about that? They were super high for me.
- I recommended 20, but I'm also buying 14. It's close to what I recommended. Cancer support community,
- they requested 3650. They got 3044, so super close. Anybody have thoughts on that?
- I mean, they got medium on my rubric and, but still made it through kind of the threshold of fully funding
- them, mostly because like that number is super accessible. And, um, and I, and I also, I think I gave
- them a boost up because that is, I think. Often underserved population, like not always attended to.
- And it was exactly how it went with me. I gave them a medium, but then I gave them a full.
- full boost up to full amount for those same patients, more or less. Yeah, I feel like this is,
- it's small, but targeted. And I also think that like part of the way that I thought through emergency
- stuff is whether you're providing immediate relief and this is providing immediate relief during treatment,
- right? So it's like, it's super narrow, but it's like, I think that's how it ended up still high on
- my rubric.
- Yeah. Yeah, it's such a modest request. Yeah. Would anybody be opposed to bumping this up to full funding?
- Because it's just an extra $600, essentially. We can asterisk anything and come back, just because I
- think there's lots of them that are at that best approach. That's true. OK. We're going to do that.
- But we should. I mean, we should give away the additional $3,000. Would you spend the full money down?
- I think if we, I don't know, we can argue about that at the end. I don't have a problem with leaving
- some in the kitty for the future. There's already from the past. Is there still already? I thought we
- came pretty close to driving it. There's one. What is north? I don't remember, but that's because also,
- I mean, because, you know, folks don't always end up spending all the money they get allocated because
- they have to spend it within the window. But that's usually why there's like we've skipped that.
- Yeah, after allocating so great last year and I know that at least one station. Okay, cool.
- Good to know. So CJM asked for almost 13,000. They get just over 10,000 according to how we averaged.
- How does everybody feel about that? I felt like it was a strong leverage for a small request is why
- I ranked them highly.
- Like they were doing a lot with a little ask. Yeah. I also got a full recommend full funding recommendation
- for me. Would you guys like to ask this one particular, but not particularly. No. Yes. I mean, we're
- going to be business one. This is more than I allocated them there. So yeah. Okay.
- Community Kitchen, they asked for $5,903. We gave them $5,592.67. This is an example of one that should
- be fully funded, but... We're close. We're so close. And that this is, again, I feel... I would argue
- to remove the asterisk from C-GEM, just even in reference to this other one. It shows, like,
- I think to Cameron's point earlier, to Eddie's point earlier, like this is directly helping people in
- need now. Community justice mediation is like, it's great. I get it sort of structural. It makes sense.
- It's fantastic. Support it. But, but the purpose of our fund should prioritize people. It's like, this
- is going directly to people to get food now.
- My only pushback around that is that I feel like the fact that they're doing eviction, I feel like that
- is about to be in full swing. That does feel like an emergency service right now. That's fair. But that
- was my only like, normally no preventative, but in this case, I feel like their services are- Yeah,
- that's fair. But I'm just saying, I don't disagree with what you're saying just in terms of
- comparing those two types of emergencies, right? I agree. Would you give like a 0.5 more anyway? But
- it's also not the hill we're going to die on by moving if we don't want it complete. Yeah. But anyway,
- I'll comment for a later time because we'll see how many asterisks we have right at this time. We may
- not have that many. That's true. I mean, yeah, we may go back to the asterisks and be like, okay, we've
- got to wait this out. Yeah, exactly. Courage to change. So we're living. They asked for 4,500.
- We have averaged at $1,603. Anybody want to talk about that? I had it at zero, and it's only because
- they support love for me. They don't have a problem with monetization, which is funny. And it's less
- than the $4,500, but it's better than the zero that I do. Did anyone else get cigarettes? I get Deere
- as well, just because they were too. They were medium low on my Uber. Yeah, I had them.
- medium low, but I gave them 50%. So, but I'm not gonna argue. I had the medium, but then gave them way
- less than 50%. I mean, I gave them like 1,800. That's, I mean. I'm fine with giving them money. I mean,
- I think that maybe, I mean, obviously I pushed and I give still less money. So there's money on the
- table. Yeah. Now there's some people. Okay.
- Well, and my only thing here is that like, this was so far beyond like an emergency service where it's
- like pro-social activities for, I don't know. Yeah, I struggled at first with this one, but the more
- I thought about it, especially in light of some of my other awards that I was looking at as emergency
- services, I saw this as very,
- powerful, actually, and what I ended up coming around to was that this was a very powerful preventive
- measure that you could say is making them feel part of, you know, making people feel part of a community
- is. Yeah, so I, I would argue to give them something. I'm fine with that at all. Okay. Anybody else
- have a argument of or against? Okay.
- I gave it more, but I'm happy to go down on that one too. Okay. All right. Thank you. Let's
- go to developmental services. They asked for 2800. They got just over 2000. I had them at medium low
- and I ended up giving them full funding. So this is again, going back to that philosophy, but because
- it was so low, what I, I had initially given them something much lower. I think I gave them,
- I don't remember what I initially had been thinking, but then I was like, well, I have money left over.
- It's not much more to bulk them up to full. I'm fine with this amount. I'm fine with. I had also said
- full funding, they ranked medium for me. And a lot of it was just because we don't see a lot of asks
- for theft, specifically individuals with disabilities felt like another chronically underserved population
- with a small ask.
- and serve and then dealing with like, food and equipment. Yeah, as well. So interacting. Everybody good
- with this? Exodus asked for 20,000. We've awarded them 14,287. Any thoughts on this one? We're like
- their only source of funding outside of philanthropic.
- I had awarded them higher. I had asterisk, okay. Yeah, I had them ranked highly. I gave them a little
- bit of a miss. I gave 16 and it's like 14. Did you say 14,000 is what they were? 14,287 is our average.
- Yeah, I had them at 17. Okay, so we'll come back to that one with the asterisk. Girls Inc.
- Oh, that average allocation is pretty much what I gave them. It's a little more than what I gave them,
- but it seems they ranked medium low for me. Anybody else have different feelings than this
- average allocation? All right. So Habitat for Humanity, they requested 14,137. We gave them almost 11,000
- in our averages.
- Anybody? Seems like we're all kind of on the same page with that one, maybe. You know, I gave them about
- what the average is. And I was confused, I think, because the number of people that they were serving
- seemed to be extraordinarily high. I mean, maybe they were calculating because they were using their
- buying equipment that they would be building homes for. I can't remember. It was something like that.
- and I was like, hmm, that just doesn't seem reasonable to me that it would be. I made a note that said
- incomplete information, so I just went by the history of the organization. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they
- said the number of Louisville team residents served was 910. Yeah, it just didn't seem for the equipment
- that they were asking for that it would manifest that number. So anyway, I'm happy with
- essentially, you know, on par with what I. All right. Thank you. Hoosier Hills. They requested 40,000.
- We can darn near close with our averages. 38,907. Should we asterisk this or feel good about leaving
- it where it is? Happy to ask. And hurt. Okay.
- just because we're so close if we have that leftover again, too. All right. Hotels for Hope. OK, so
- it seems like we had some, from what I'm hearing, range of discrepancies here. They asked for $36,000.
- They've averaged $21,000. I know some have said they didn't award any. So does anybody have an argument
- they want to make here? So when Katie Norris was here, I mean, I think she presented well. And when
- she hit on some of the points that were
- are the heading call on my end. If they're fulfilling that, I can't verify that. I just know that there
- is a group of people who are in a housing network, South Central Housing Network. We've invited them
- to meetings repeatedly. They never come. There's always an excuse. And I have not worked with them directly.
- And I think they're doing adequate work. They're getting some people in a safe,
- somewhere safe for a night. But for my colleagues who work in this field, they have said that it's not
- helping to hurt in working with hotels for the homeless. They're not happy working with this. This is
- one where I had to adjust my bias a little bit, like looking just at
- Looking at what's on paper, like as I share everything I said and I would actually personally, I feel
- like I don't particularly feel like they need to be funded particularly at this amount.
- why the amount matters so much. I think that, and I'm the one, I probably gave them very close to the
- lot though, because they ranked highly on a rubric. I think my, the biggest take, the biggest knockdown
- for me though, was that there wasn't really strong evidence of the sort of outcome per dollar. And it's
- a really high dollar per person amount. So it's actually probably one of the higher dollars per person
- served amounts on here. And, you know,
- They didn't give any evidence that actually it helps or works. It's just like, they gave evidence that
- it's nice and it's good and it's needed. And so that, that was a tension point for me in our,
- in our rubric, but we don't really have a space to be like, yeah, but like, what are the outcomes that
- you're buying here? Right. If that makes sense. So, so if, if, if we were, you know, so that, so that's
- my, I mean, my rubric is my rubric, but, um, I wouldn't be upset with, with.
- searing them out, to be honest with you. So I've got a question because I give them the highest I think
- of anyone. So I thought this is kind of a critical emergency service if somebody is in need to get a
- hotel for the night because of whatever reason. And I suppose there may be shelter space, but you know,
- Could this save a life? Could this save some people from frostbite? Is this something that is, if we
- didn't fund them, that it could result in human arm? I just don't know. You have a lot more experience.
- Or Cameron, perhaps you ranked them, I think you gave them an 18. What's your view? I felt similarly about it.
- I gave them half, they were medium low on my rubric. But I think a lot of it was because the cost for
- the resident is so high. But I had the same kind of moment, especially which is kind of like, yeah,
- the brutality to the weather on either end of the spectrum and like other like crisis situations.
- I think, I mean. Does this group help people in need? Yes. I mean, it happens, right? They do.
- didn't I feel comfortable going to from things that my colleagues have told me, but I didn't have like,
- there's also wasn't the questions that we have. That's why I kept my daughter. I mean, she said, dude,
- I'll hang on. It's like, yeah, you know, in my head, I'm like, you know, but I know all these other
- problems. So I just, that's how I, that's why I zeroed them out. But I'd say just thinking about the
- process and the,
- When you call it the like the integrity of the process. The reason why we have a rewriting exactly for
- this type of thing. And I think that
- You and I frankly should have brought this up when we were inviting people to the next round to begin
- with. Right. Like we could have made the argument then and said, no, you know what? I don't think that
- we want to fund them at all. We'd rather put, which an argument I could make. I would rather that we
- put 21,000 to give 21,000 a weekend. That's not a question though on the table. Right. And, and so,
- and so I think that we have to.
- injustice, you have to look this in the way of, we had a rubric, we had a process, they followed it,
- we've all evaluated it independently, and we came up with this number, right? And myself included, like
- I'm saying, I actually don't really think they should be funded, but the rubric says they should be.
- No, that's fair. And they actually spoiled, like, for me. So I feel comfortable with still saying what
- I'm saying, but I'm also fine with
- giving them some money because they do help people. So is it long-term effective? Does it really move
- the needle on anything? I don't know. My colleagues don't think so, but you know. Yeah. I'm fine with
- people. Yeah, but it's a high, it's a large amount to be honest. It is a large amount. I would advocate
- that they shouldn't get it.
- Not to put you on the spot, but we're allocating 21. Yes, I mean, I'm fine. Would we go down to 50%?
- Yeah. That way we're taking into consideration, you know. But that's arbitrary, right? Because I didn't
- have a zero. This is reflective of me suggesting them. So, I mean, I think that it would be
- I guess what I'm saying is that I've ranked them, I've given them 30. And now on the basis of probably
- incomplete information, and now that I've received some information, I'd be willing to go lower. Cameron
- makes a good hedging, well, maybe strike 50% as of. What would happen if you lowered, if you lift just like,
- Say you lowered yours to 15, just as an example, based on the new information. What are you saying?
- I don't quite follow the discussion that much. I mean, do they or do they not provide an emergency shelter
- service to the community? My understanding is that they do. Do they have a bad representational problem?
- I wasn't aware of that.
- You know, it's an existing resource. It's in the community. So the cost of, uh, I mean, we have these
- unused hotel rooms and then I, I, I, I, I'm happy to go down from what I gave them a lot, but I, I just
- don't agree that they're not a legitimate important providing an important
- service arguably an emergency service. Yeah. I don't think the argument is that they're not legitimate.
- That's certainly not the argument. I think the argument is how they fit in with the broader ecosystem
- of homeless response that we're trying to do in the city. It's like you can do good work, but it throw
- off some other good work as well. It doesn't mean that what you're doing is not good. It just means
- that it has externalities.
- So is there evidence that this disrupts emergency shelter services that would be more in line with what
- this comprehensive plan is overall for the city heading home? I mean, I don't know. Maybe there are
- people that are just that's just the way they would turn. They would turn to a hotel. Pro this program
- first, maybe.
- But you'd agree that it's a temporary, it's a temporary program, right? Like the effect of getting a
- hotel room doesn't get you closer to getting off the streets. It seems to me like we can kind of make
- a similar argument towards a lot of stuff, like providing food, emergency food aid. It's like, well,
- does that solve your long-term problem? No. Fair point. I mean, fair point. Yeah. I mean, that's,
- and again, I don't,
- I don't think that any of the, I think all the discussion we're having is useful. I don't think that
- any of it is the question on the table, right? Like to be honest, because I, you know, I think to Andy's
- point, it's like, we should deal with what's in front of us. And what's in front of us is they're doing
- an emergency service. That's how we're evaluating them, right? Like I, so, I mean, I have no issue with
- at least staying as it is. I was gonna say, I say for now we stay as it is. We have appetite on both sides.
- So let's just leave it as it is for now. I recognize it's a stock gap. But I'd be happy to go half.
- I'd be happy to go half on this. That's fine. If you both went half, it lowers it to 18 from 21. So
- it's like we're pulling here for, you know what I'm saying? That's fine. I'm fine with that. We're all
- in agreement with that because then we can be taking some of that. It's not a ton of funding, but we
- can put it toward more emergency services. Good.
- You're saying you'll change it? Yeah, change it in the average and then we'll have another one that's
- like suggested or something like that. Oh, I had been changing some as we went along. Oh, that's fine.
- All right. That's good. Okay. Indiana Recovery Alliance, they requested 22,000. We gave them just under
- 19,000 in our averages. This is super close to what I ended up
- allocating them. Does anybody have any feelings about IRA? Cool. All right. So we will leave them as
- is. Ivy Tech requested 10,000. We averaged seven and three quarters thousand. Anybody have any thoughts
- about the Ivy Tech food pantry?
- They requested $5,000. We ended up allotting $1,423 on average. They rated very low for me. It's hard
- because scoring from the rubric, they don't match most of our criteria. And I feel like it feels slightly
- hard because they think that they made a really compelling case.
- I know. I feel like that feels like an equity issue because anybody, honestly, I thought they all make
- a little case. Yeah. But like, I don't know if that is enough of a reason for us to fund them when they
- don't match our priorities. High cost per, you know, sort of high cost per user, low amount of users
- in town. And, and now like addressing like, it's like, it's not like they're trying to make for their
- scholarship fund or something. You know, it's like they need free admission, but like,
- And they said, we want to use this funding to get the sheets and all the things that like. The sort
- of psychosocial support for children is, is long-term beneficial. But to your point, if we look at the
- cost per resident is never. I think that's why many of us had them like low. I had a medium low, right?
- I had a medium low. They weren't, they,
- They still score higher than the people I gave zero to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So are we asterisking? Leave
- it as it is. Leave it as it is. We're good with this. It was a hard one because for all the same reasons.
- Yeah. Okay. We will leave them as is. All right. Monroe County court appointed. So CASA asked for 9,342,536.
- or 326. I have big feelings on this one. I gave them zero. I mean, yeah, they measured on the rubric,
- but I really don't think this is a good use of social service grant funding money to buy supplies for
- training for whiteboards and a nice meeting table and computers. They can do their trainings. I feel
- like this is very poor use of our money. And that is my argument. I put them on the table.
- I mean, they ranked really low on my fruit break, because I also recommended zero. That's interesting.
- I have ranked them very high. And yeah, I gave them near their full amount. And I just think that this
- is just helping to, because they're all volunteers, right? Classic folks are all volunteers. And training
- them adequately.
- is important, but I could re-taste that. I'm not an expert in skills. But I think for me, though we
- may not think about this through the lens of immediate emergency, I do think this is a community resilience function.
- thus falls in the same category preventative falls in the categories how we avoid lots of very serious
- emergencies of which one of these happening it's like has no I don't know what cost you put on you know
- child things going wrong yeah but they can still train their volunteers but I think we could make that
- same argument about any of these things you're like you know like and I don't think that we should
- You know, I mean, I think that, I think here, again, that's a great example of how, of where, as much
- as we're, we're being picky about the rubric, I think it's a good example where the rubric does well,
- um, in the sense that, in the sense that I, I, I agree, you know, if we're comparing that to food or
- something, but that's what we're trying not to do. Um, you know, say, say it's like, no, it does disqualify.
- And, and if so, where, but on my rubric, they come out high.
- just, I mean, based on cost, based on, you know, based on, based on number of residents served. So,
- and I think Eddie felt the same. So, yeah. I feel the same. I mean, I realize, you know, just for supplies,
- but it seems like they're always requesting,
- community for volunteers. Right. Right. And the, the risk associated with, you know, an abusive situation
- for children that need to navigate. The volunteer process is intensive to usually graduate. Yeah. Um,
- and I'll admit, this is the one that I have a bias against. I interviewed a few years ago to be a trainer,
- a little trainer, and they never even like,
- acknowledged me afterwards and said things, but I think that's where it's born. Because they don't have
- good enough knowledge. No, I think that they don't treat people right. That was what I was taking into
- it. Well, that's how they treat somebody who interviewed for a job with them. Wow. That was my insight.
- Exactly. And those are the type of things I think, and thank you for saying that aloud because that's
- not a thing you have to say aloud, but thank you for saying that. But I think
- I think that's part of the things that we want to guard against, right? It's like, we have to review
- what's in front of us. And I think also as we think about next year, like these are the type of things
- that we, again, like the way that Eddie and I should have surfaced our concerns about hotels for a whole,
- you know, like I think we should have surfaced some of this earlier on. Is it actually like, here's
- some things that- Here's something I know. Yeah, or also like, here's some things that like, I don't
- think that we should be talking about giving people better equipment. Like, we just could have,
- from the get-go, like push that off or have them defend that. And I don't think that at this stage,
- us going retrospectively to like those types of decisions, I think it's fair. I think we have to stick
- with, like how Rupert says this. All right. So we'll leave this as is. Yeah. Well, unless you want to
- make a strong case. Yeah. I made as strong a case as I can. And I'm not going to fight it. It's not
- one of our bigger asks anyway. And yeah, they, you know,
- They do good work on the other end, so. Yeah, mine is zero is just because mine was given to somebody.
- Okay. Monroe County Humane Association asked for 13,000. We gave 9,476. These guys, they scored medium
- for me and I didn't give them money because I managed to give everybody money.
- basically, but I will say, I feel like this is very adjacent to what we're supposed to be funding. Because
- it's animals. Yeah. Well, you could then argue that the animals support people. Yeah. I mean, that's,
- I mean, again, I get it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's, I think, I think I'll, I think I'll
- find them just, I just,
- So, you know, for the good of the order of saying, like, you know, maybe I give them money and put them
- in the medium category, but, um, you know, did I give them the least amount of money? Um, so I'm just
- saying it might be higher if somebody wants to. Yeah. I mean, I get you, most of you gave them quite
- a bit more. I mean, I gave them 5,000 and you all gave them, you know, 10 and above.
- No, I, I gave him seven for kind of the same. I feel the same way. Isaac does really on this one, but
- so I tried to come around half, I guess half would have actually been 6,500. I said seven, but I think
- I gave them over 11. To be clear, I'm saying, I'm saying this may be an asterisk that you might want
- to give more to, but just cause I noticed the, to the point about where, where the, the.
- Um, uh, spread matters here, uh, I'm skewing it a bit more sort of dramatically. So, so if you guys
- wanted to go up, we have extra money. So just, uh, just a note to there that our averages are the, the,
- the space between our averages is, is, is mess. Like I am, I am the outlier. Um, cause even Andy was
- a bit higher, so closer to everybody's average, I'm like way off. So, so just, if you want to asterisk
- that and come back, cause we might have some extra money. So.
- It's close to my allocation. And I just, I was thinking again, you know, the psychological distress
- of, you know, not having enough for your pet and the support that it offers to people or anyone for
- that matter. But, you know, if they were to be deprived of it. Anyway. Yeah. I feel, I feel good about
- where it's at.
- Mother Hubbard's covered 13,182. We averaged 12,730. So we're close. We're darn close on this one. Anybody
- have any strong feelings one way or another? It's close to mine. I'm like that. I'm fine with that,
- right? Even if I wanted to give a little bit more. Yeah, I'm good. It's a lot of times, like I'm only
- piping up one.
- Someone's getting zero. All right. My sister's closet. So this was one of our biggest asks. 50,000.
- We've averaged 27,633. I had them medium. I had a lot of them 20,000.
- Doing a bit more. I don't know. Did they answer an email for us or did they come in? They came in. I
- didn't watch that far. Or were they early? I don't know. I didn't watch it. They were the last. Yeah.
- So what did you learn from it? Cause I had them, like I had them hide, but then I tempered it based
- on, and I should have noted this in my notes. I tempered it based on, I was like, Oh wait, there's something
- that I'm not clear about on their thing. So I should have actually watched their,
- but it still ended up high. So I was like, okay with it. But like, there's a side of me which would
- have funded them even higher than where I did, if that makes sense. I'm much higher than the,
- I'm at 40. Yeah. And it's built like electrical and building and to keep that place safe. I mean, they've
- been an institution where they've been at for a long time. And I may be wrong, but partially the reason
- why they're moving is because like you mentioned,
- So they're being forced to move into a new location and they're being lipstick on a pig. And it was
- like, oh, we love the visibility and whatever. I looked up the building and it was like a giant garage.
- I think that they will have a higher visibility. But yeah, I think that they're trying to make the best
- out of a situation that they can't control. And I want their building to be the same.
- Yeah, exactly. Air conditioning and electrical work, which is expensive. But I did mention to them that,
- you know, you may qualify for seal money and some other stuff. So yeah, it's but I find it a little
- bit less. I wouldn't be able to do more. So I'm just saying. Yeah. Well, why don't we put an asterisk
- by them? We'll see what we have left over at the end again for playing with. Yeah, I might bump them
- up. I did the same amount as you actually for similar reasons that they were being bumped.
- out of their existing. I think 40 is fair. I mean, it's just, because once again, you know, we've changed
- the calculus on some of the stuff, but I try to give money to everyone that support us here except for
- the two outliers that I mentioned already, so. You know, I also think to your point, there's a little
- bit of harm reduction like requirement that we, I think we bear as a city for if, you know, I mean,
- it's like, it's actually,
- I don't know. I don't know if I should say this out loud, but, you know, we spent $15 million on that
- thing and didn't think like, should we include in that $50 million like fees for things that are getting
- displaced, right? Like I, like, yeah, compensation, my gosh. Like, and I kind of, I don't know. I just,
- I don't know. There was nothing in it. Yeah. I mean, is it, yeah. And it's, I don't know. It's, it's, um,
- I mean, something that became more evident. I don't know if it was just wasn't on that, like in the,
- you know, in the way that we were discussing it and the way that council particularly works, it's,
- you know, hard to bring in new things when, you know, based on what we discussed, what's in front of
- us, right? But like, anyway, so, so just, uh, just a thought there that as we come back to it. Okay.
- Good to keep in mind. Good points. New hope asked for 40,000. We have averaged just over 35,000 for them.
- Nobody got a bone to pick with that. They didn't invite me to their ball, so I took $3,000 off.
- All right. Good job. No, I'm joking. That is a joke. For the record, that was a joke. They were very
- high, very high for me. Yeah. The free admission means that, you know, I didn't make it to this year's
- event. I had something else going on, and I felt bad. I was like, oh, I don't have to try and check
- this shit. Yeah. Awesome.
- Okay, so they're in good shape, or I mean, we're in good shape with what we feel about that. All right,
- New Leaf New Life, they requested 11,142. We've allocated just a little under 9,000. This was another
- one that I had an issue with. I did fund them a bit, but I felt with their partnership application,
- the courage to change, I felt like it was a lot of,
- double difference, the same application, asking for the same stuff. It didn't seem terribly different
- to me. So I funded them much lower on this one. I didn't talk about that at all. How do they all work
- together, Eddie? I don't work pre-entry, so I don't know.
- That's not my area of expertise. I would like to help with reentry. I support it. I just wish that it
- hadn't felt like such a double dip to me. I don't know. I'm thinking about it now as you're saying it,
- but it's like a continuum of care work. We wouldn't talk about beacon and new hope for families as double
- dipping. No, but new leaf, new life,
- applied for this and then they applied for another one in a partnership. Oh, you're talking about business
- partnership. Yes. I see. I see. Both asks in both of those applications were essentially the same or
- for the same thing, not same amounts. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. I don't have a problem with funding
- because I strongly support re-entry, but at the same time, I feel like this goes against our rules.
- Well, the average of both.
- uh, right now would be essentially their ask. Yeah. So it makes it a move point. Yeah. So we just leave
- each of these averages. Well, here's a, here's a thing though. There's a, there's a huge, I'm sorry.
- I wasn't tracking before. Um, so we, we just talked about Christian second, but we, um, uh,
- there's a huge, uh, administrative burden to get, get an award. And so there's an argument to say,
- don't award the second one and fully award the first one. So don't award the partnership one at all?
- Just a thought. There's a whole extra set of paperwork, and it's a whole extra set of meeting, and it's
- a whole extra set of time, and you know. How did we award Courage to Change? Didn't we just talk about
- them earlier? Yeah, I'm just trying to remember what we settled on.
- They were awarded much lower than we asked, that's right. Because that ask was very different from what
- the partnership ask was. Right. And so, I mean, another thought then is that you could, because this
- didn't come up when we, you know, you could, we could go, you know, so you could zero out this one and
- then give more money to Kurtz to change directly.
- something or something, some approach like that. But we're supposed to reward collaborations. Like that's...
- Did we say that though? There's no word, where have we said that? I mean, it allows you to apply for
- a second and a half. Well, right, but like, but like we haven't included it in any of our documents
- that say like, we wish you would all, you know, work together or something like that. All right.
- I can go, I mean, the amounts are small enough, I could go,
- I mean, I'm not going to fight it. I just wanted to point out when you said we encourage them to do
- it and also specifically say they are allowed to submit both. We encourage the committee encourages
- social service agencies to collaborate just on practice on practice though. That's clearly not how people
- are hearing this because we get so few collaborative ones.
- by considering the amount of collaboration that's happening between these organizations and the amount
- of them. Both of our conversations about collaborative projects, we're often down on them if they've
- had another application. Yeah, no, you're right. So I wouldn't want to, I think it's a risk for them
- to submit a collaborative project. Yeah, no, fair point. Yeah, no, my only problem with this collaborative
- project is that they're asking for money for the same thing. This sounds redundant, yeah. It is, yeah.
- It feels like we're asking for this,
- again. So, but like I said, I'm, I'm not going to fight whatever you guys want to do with this. Like
- I don't just keep it as it is then. Okay. And same thing with the, uh, partnership application, the
- courage to change and release new life. Yeah. Okay. Great. Pantry two seven nine. They got almost a
- Full funding, they asked for 12,000. We gave them just a little over 11,000. Everybody good there? We
- like food. We like food. Pathways, Inc. Another one of our big asks, 50,000. We've averaged 43,134.
- Everybody good with that? All right. Cool.
- asked for $5,500. We've awarded them with our averages $1,581. You feeling good there? Yeah. Okay. Planned
- Parenthood requested $7,500. We've allocated with our averages $6,236.
- I kind of want to push for full funding for this one simply because when we've heard their representative
- talk to us in the past, they've really emphasized how this is their only source of funding despite being
- a national organization and multiple states being represented here. This is like one of their only sources
- of funding for providing those services to our local population. And they don't really get it from anywhere
- else. Well, I was a little confused because, I mean, I support the organization, but
- but is it going to be applied locally? Yes, it's just going to go to around here. They said that. I
- don't think you were on this a couple of years ago when they spoke, but that question came up. We were
- concerned. Well, I'll put an asterisk there and we can revisit it. I don't know where that accent came
- from. I was in one-on-one with my boss today. Some sentence came out like,
- real New York, New Jersey. And I was like, whoa, who am I? Silver Linings actually withdrew
- their application. So that gives us another. Okay, super. So then our total will look very different.
- Yeah. So now we have more money back in the kitty. Sober Mesa, they requested 10,000
- We're giving them just a little over 50% according to our average 5,193. I'm okay with that. How does
- everybody else feel? Dave does not feel good about that. I don't think it's a huge ask. I actually expected
- more applicants for growers and this is really, I think the only one.
- globally growing food. So I just had a couple of notes. So it provides food for low income. The farm
- I visited many times, the Daisy Garden University Farm. And it's been worked really well by the university,
- by James Farmer. So the soils are optimal. So I would expect a very good amount of food, large yield.
- The food is fresh vegetables. When I used to farm, you know, taking excess crops to Hoosier Hill's food
- bank, that was oftentimes what they didn't have was fresh vegetables, which, you know, people are lacking
- in diet. And then I think it's important to build skills so that, you know, people can learn to grow
- their own food. I think that's a valuable
- skill that could be learned and self-sufficiency. So I'd be willing to change mine, because tell me
- something, because just based on what you're describing, I might have misunderstood how their model
- works. Do they do any direct services or are they mostly supplying to pantries, et cetera? Are they
- teaching folks? They're teaching folks on site. They're highly skilled farmers. They own permaculture.
- You know, I would expect they would do very well. I was surprised they didn't ask for more. But specifically
- the Access for Low Income Families, the Food Access for Low Income Families project. Yes. Is that them
- just giving food to Patrick 279, Hoosier Hills, and Monroe County Kitchen? And the participants. My
- impression was the people who actually come and learn the skills on site. OK.
- That was the only thing that knocked them down for me, which is, which, which was like, but you know,
- as I'm thinking about it as like, because, but also because we have that question of this is director
- indirect. And then, so then by virtue of that, it ends up being indirect. Um, so I think this would
- have been high if not for that and really low cost, a lot of people affected, um,
- you know, small organization, new organization, it's food. So I would have given it fudge points. So
- I think revisiting, if I were to change the indirect to direct and revisiting it with this, then I would
- have probably close to fully funded them as well. I think that this is like a really interesting prototype.
- But they're asking us, but there's the organization and there's what they're asking us to fund. What
- they asked us to fund is the giving food to the pantry's part, unless I misunderstood it. Yes. That's
- where we have to be in the rubric when we say, is that still direct? Is that direct or indirect is the
- question. I think that sometimes
- or a lot of these becomes this part of the subjectiveness of the rubric. Yeah. Is it, so tell me like,
- I said, I said, yes, indirect. You said indirect. What did you say, Eddie? It was indirect for me, but
- if I made it direct, then it, I mean, it bumps them up to where silver linings was. That's my point.
- So, so, so, so let's, so let's like,
- Let's agree on whether this is direct or indirect, because if we said the Pantry 279 funding is direct,
- then so should this be direct, right? Is there a fair argument for that? I don't have a problem defining
- it that way. That's fine with me. My score is different inside of my rubric for some reason, because
- I did recommend them, which would change their average. I recommended 10,000.
- I mean, I had given them 75%. And because they were a low score for me, I didn't give anything,
- but I mean, if this changes my rubric, then I would at least give 50%. I mean, we've taken some money
- back from some places and I do want to help feed people. And this is one of those things where,
- you know, teaching people, not just feeding them, they're teaching people how to feed themselves. So.
- Well, if I change mine to direct as well, and when you change yours, Cameron. Yeah, that just helped
- out quite a bit. But you didn't fund them at all? I didn't fund them at all, because they scored low
- for me. But if you change it to direct, then it's at least 50% of what they're asked is.
- I actually said indirect to him, but I wish. Based on the conversation we're having before, I mean,
- this is where, again, a rubric is helpful because it helped us protect ourselves from a bunch of biases
- we had. But I'm swayed that, you know. So my thinking
- I'm familiar with these guys just in so far as I remember when they came to town and set up and had
- been working and they're really dedicated to teaching people to grow food. So they know they can do
- it. And to me, the potential of this is huge. Like if you get this prototype working with a lot of food
- production, it could really help the food banks plus teach people how to
- and maybe it could be replicated elsewhere. So I just saw it as kind of a good experiment, I suppose,
- in a way. But I mean, we're getting close to what they want. But I would argue for the full funding.
- But if people want to knock it down, I mean, I don't know. Well, it's disastrous, this one as well.
- But at least we fixed some of it. I mean, that's helpful.
- I think it's worth I think it's worth thinking about. We're going to we're pretty much in agreement
- that like Hoosier Hills Food Bank Community Kitchen that are actually providing the food. That's we
- say that's direct emergency services. And but we wouldn't say that providing those places the food to
- them. Right. Right. Right. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm comfortable with it. I mean, yeah.
- Especially if there was a collaborative real relationship. I mean, when we had our when I was a farmer,
- we allocated space for Hoosier Hills to grow food there. Right. So they had volunteers come out and
- actually grow food. And that could be part of the formula in the future to anyway. OK, super. All right.
- Well, thank you, everybody. That was good. So we'll come back to that one, too. Stone Belt requested
- five thousand.
- Oh, what happened? It had been at 7,000. My numbers were wrong. I was like, how did we allocate them
- more money? Okay. So now we're down to 3,196 for Stone Belt. I gave them full funding. So, so though
- I have them high, but the thing that if we're looking at a rubric, they're high because they got the
- funding points from me at a rubric though.
- They have, they're a large institution. True. And with a lot of, with capacity for staffing. So they
- couldn't be very high. Yeah. I mean, I'm fine with, with this number that we're at. I don't have strong
- feelings to change this. I was just telling you what I had done. Anybody have strong feelings? I mean,
- It ranked low on my rubric. And also they make the same mask every year, which I feel like is something
- that's hard to be actively discourage that. But when parents do the same thing, but I just feel like
- it's, I don't know. Yeah. I'm going to step out for this mental discussion. Oh, okay. All right. So
- we'll leave Stone Belt as it is. We'll wait until Nidhi's out of earshot.
- So Summit Hill Community Development Corporation, they requested $24,980. We have averaged $16,930.
- Wait, we've not. This is wrong. This is wrong. This should remove Eddie's zero. Oh, right. So Eddie's
- zero is Q, what is that, Q36? Is that right? Yes. And that should be divided by five.
- There you go. Ah, much better number. Okay. Wow. Yep. Everybody feel good about that one? Yep. Uh,
- it's 20, right? Yeah, that's right. The only thing I don't feel good about is the fact that this isn't
- all or nothing. Like this was the vehicle where it feels like we're going to fund the vehicle, fund
- the vehicle. And I thought she had said in the, when she was here that there would be okay with partial
- funding. Did we not ask?
- that and she was like, yeah. Well, the application, they said pump up. Oh, did they? Yeah. I think she
- just said that she thought that she could get wiggle room potentially in the rooms or in the buy.
- But I mean, I would advocate for saying, here's what we've awarded you do with it, what you can, and
- I hope you can use it.
- Maybe let's, maybe let's asterisk them and come back. Cause it's like, we still have money, right? I
- think importantly and, but your, but to your point, adding 4,000 here, if we give them full, then we
- don't have money. Right. Right. Yeah. Cause well, and with all these asterisks we're putting up here,
- we've actually used up more money. Right. There's only, there's only one asterisk where we, where we
- were willing to reduce so far. Yeah. I mean, we can put an asterisk here and revisit.
- Either that or Cameron, would you say that we then don't award at all or. No, how would you go? Okay.
- So you're advocating for all. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, yeah, I feel like we should go full, but that's
- just. Okay. I mean, we have a high, very high, very high. Um, uh, and the all gave, you know, 21 K.
- So, uh, I wouldn't object if you made it higher, but.
- But I'm also not going to advocate for. Yeah, I had given lower. I had given. This is like where then
- it comes, it goes back to what Eddie was saying before, where like, just big brothers, big sisters.
- And then I'm like, well, now it's impacting something. I feel like actually. All right. So, well, this
- is going to be tricky coming back to it with Eddie.
- So we're going to have to go through the other. You can go out again. I know. That's going to be a little
- trickier, but we'll have to save this one for last and then ask him to step back. Okay. I'll go tell
- him he can come back in. I'm going to talk to him. I hate it when these chairs do that. Okay. Yeah.
- Like they, they, they give you the support and then this suddenly they don't. No more support for you.
- I was the old chairs.
- I like these chairs so much. I like how they lean back, I am. I come to myself in my office chair trying
- to lean back like this all the time. I'm like, oh, he doesn't lean back more than I do. This is unfortunate
- because I'm so tall. I hate sitting like this at a council meeting. It makes it look like I'm lounging.
- You know, I'm like, I just need, I don't want to sit like this for six hours. That's why sometimes I
- stand in the middle of the meeting and just lean on my chair. I'm like, I have to stretch my back and
- my legs. Okay. Tandem requested 50,000. We gave them 35 or 16 in our average. Um, any thoughts on this?
- I mean, they were the only one I fully funded. I was the lowest.
- because it seemed to me that if it was anyone could participate, right? It wasn't just for low income.
- So is that my- But that was one of the perks is that it was like mixed income, mixed resources, so that
- way they were able to support each other financially, but also- And then they don't have the- With like
- child care. Yeah. Kind of like the housing policy wise, like mixed income.
- Yeah, I see that. The space is for everybody. Yeah, but any of the supplies, you know, they're not giving
- it to people. That's right. Like, I mean, like for like, for example, like my, my kids go to lay time
- at tandem. We don't take free diapers from tandem. We give a lot of things. Oh, you have personal experience.
- Yeah. I mean, like, okay. But like, but I'm just saying like the, you know, there's,
- that the mixed income part of this, but I'll say why I funded them highly is because I know that they're
- just under, this is sort of like a make or break time for them. And so my thinking is that this is a
- key resource for the community. What they've written here passes the rubric well for me. I mean, many
- of us had them highly ranked, but I just, the reason I just sort of gave them the most sludge points
- for anybody is just like,
- It's like emergency for the organization that if the organization left would create a lot of problems
- for a lot of, you know, very similar reasons why we, why the Planned Parenthood, why some of these others,
- like, it's, it's a critical need for a lot of people in the community and it could be for more.
- And so I, I'm just sort of feeling like, you know, you give them the funding to keep them stabilized
- and hopes that they can, you know, leverage that too.
- they were gonna shut, right, so. It's an important service, there's no doubt, and you've changed my
- mind that it should, that I lowballed it, would it be considered an emergency service? That's the only
- part that I, that's where I fudged. I mean, I would say that the, you know. That you gave them full
- funding. Correct, because, I mean, what I think they, what I think they're doing is an urgent social need.
- You know, and I, and I raised a similar question earlier. It's like, okay, yeah, but is this like emergency
- and like the, you know, life or death sense? I think probably not. I mean, there, but it's an emergency
- for the organization. That's where I fudged. Do you want to argue as part of in how women go into deep
- depression? Yeah. Actually, I mean, it could be life and death and the type of program is an emergency
- program for a lot of folks that can't afford diapers. I, they, they sport medium for me, but I,
- My agency is a partner entity in them. I've funded stuff through SCAP for them. I'm a big believer in
- them. I would give more money than the 30,000 that I allocated, but it's, you know, I definitely,
- I mean, I'm an advocate for them. I don't know my name. I don't know much about that. What did you say?
- Julie called me out and was like, you work for nonprofit. You know how it is.
- I'm happy where we are, though. Yeah, I've funded a lot higher, but I'm okay with this. Well, it's 35
- because of my low number. I'm happy to go up. We can answer it, but at the end of the day, we're talking
- about $4,000 left. I think there was only one organization. I mean, the only
- Yeah, there's nobody else that we've gone through that we're like, oh, we could lower this. Yeah, but
- that was like, that's the only one that we mentioned. Right. And so, and it's, I mean, I'd be happy
- to go back to how much did we give them? Oh, okay. So, okay. I'm happy where it is. Yeah. So, I mean,
- but, I mean, but if we wanted to, if you wanted to reduce,
- But I think Dave was pretty clear that he didn't want to reduce that dramatically for big brother,
- big sister. So that was the only one that we said we could reduce. Every other asterisk is a go on,
- right? So I'm just like, I think we have to, you know. All right. Yeah, I mean, I'm OK with leaving
- this. I'd like to give them more, but I don't think we can, unfortunately, find that money.
- So, I say, we leave as is Hendrix doing business as Susie's place child. They asked for forty eight
- thousand three or four. We average thirty seven thousand one ninety six. Did anybody have any big thoughts
- on this one? Okay, so I feel like we could get them. Yeah.
- Yeah, exactly. Wheeler Mission, we came pretty close with them. They asked for 6,460. Our average was
- 6,113. Everybody good there? And then Wonder Lab, that one was quite a big discrepancy from what they
- asked for. We funded, or they asked for 14,115. We funded 4,488 in our averages.
- Um, I feel like this is kind of a story every year. You know, I, I talked to Andy about this afterward
- and he, I see he gave them zero. Um, Cameron, you gave them zero. I gave them seven and, you know, reflecting
- on this, I'm, I'm thinking I gave too much because I just don't see it as a, you know,
- A real hyper, I mean, it's a wonderful thing, obviously, it's wonderful. But it's, yeah, Andy, you made
- the case. Yeah. Well, and I'd say let's take some of it and give it to Tandem. You know, I'm just not
- sure that I think I made this is one of the ones where I actually made a comment. What was my comment?
- It was about, you know,
- their marginal cost for an additional visitor, their operating expenses seem unaffected. If they want
- to let low-income people or special needs people, whatever folks in, then I just don't see the connection
- between it being an additional significant additional cost to them. It's not emergency, clearly. I'd
- feel better about
- taken some of this of what our average here and given it to tandem. Bye. I fought for the MAR last year,
- but when I was reflecting this year, just where they ended up with my rubric again, I believe in it.
- I believe in what they're doing, but it didn't fall under the emergency services. I think last year
- was still a self-survise. I will say they're one of my lowest ranked for just
- because of the size of their ads, I ended up giving them 5,000. I'll say two things. One is that I upped
- Sober Mesa based on our conversation, which means that I now over-allocated funding. So I have to cut
- 4,300 roughly, and I probably would cut it from Wonder Lab, or my other three was Courage to Change.
- If I cut this down to 1,800, sorry, 1,700, it's actually not 1,600. You can zero mine out actually as,
- I mean, I don't know if you want to do that because you want to give me something, but I'm convinced
- that, you know, of Andy's argument actually. Yeah.
- But Eddie, you gave them seven, so I don't want to undercut. Actually, Courtney, you did. I gave them
- seven, but I did feel strongly about it. In fact, I didn't really believe in the seven. I was just kind
- of following my general rule that I had been set in 50%. But I remember in past years, I didn't want
- to fund this.
- I didn't think it was a good use of Jack Hopkins money. And I didn't feel good about funding him this
- year, but I did because I know we, we have before him. So, so after maybe this zeroed them out, right.
- They've, yeah. So if we do that, oh, you would too. Okay. Well, now it's going after going through what
- we have and you know, some, some of the stuff wasn't funded as robustly.
- that I wanted or whatever. And then that doesn't have to change, but there are other organizations that
- need this money more. So I'm fine with zeroing right now. Yeah. I mean, it's always the comparison,
- right? Yeah. Postpartum support and food and things like that. I mean, I'm sure I'd like to support
- them, but... So everybody's wanting to zero out? I'm fine with zeroing. I'm okay with doing the zero.
- Cameron, are you okay with that?
- But that means like last year, one organization we don't fund. No, we also didn't fund in other words.
- Yeah. Yeah. I'm just sad, but I will, I will. One thing for us to be mindful of our bias here a little
- bit, because last year too,
- It has just so happened that the last organization was the one, was the one we did a fund. And I just
- think that we may have a cognitive leaning towards, you know, like we didn't need to zero them out.
- We could have given them the average like we did for everybody else. And then, and then still had money
- left over. And then, you know, so, so I'm just, I just want to make sure that we're, that we're not
- feeling like we need to, you know, like you get, you know what I'm saying? Like I do. I do. I, I don't.
- I don't think I feel that way, you know. Okay. But then, but then to be clear, we all should, we should
- go back and check our rubrics. So like mine, like I said, mine was the lowest on my rubric. So, so it's
- consistent with me saying they shouldn't get anybody, but some of you have them higher on your rubrics.
- So is there something like, well, I changed my rubric for sobering mess up because of the conversation,
- right? Which changed their score, which justifies the allocation, but I don't think it's fair for us
- to say, actually they're high, but we're not going to fund them. So this was one of my lowest,
- it was 6.5. So why don't we go through the list and see the asterisks and we find organizations that
- I don't serve a similar population, Boys and Girls Club,
- big brothers and big sisters. And if we want to tease out some money from those organizations that serve
- that population, we could, but I'm fine with, I mean, yeah, it's a shame that they're the last on the
- list and it could be perceived that way. At the same time, it's just after hearing some of the other
- stuff, I think that there's more important things to fund
- I'm just making sure that you don't go through and edit your rubrics if necessary, because they only
- got a three of my rubric. I see some of you with sevens. I think it's important for us to be able to
- say, some things just don't meet the threshold for
- the purpose of the fun. And I agree. I agree. But I think that I do think we have to be mindful of,
- you know, the same way that, you know, we were talking about hotels for hope. Like, I think that some
- of these things we maybe should bring up before we take them to the second round, you know, and and
- I just I'm not saying that so much for this year as much as, you know, you know, I've been saying this
- all night. Like, I just think
- You know, the integrity of a process matters matters. So, because later people go, Hey, why didn't you
- fund it? And we go, well, we, you know, but, but if we talk through it and we're saying, look, actually,
- this as we did, I think we just, we had the conversation. It's clearly in the record, but, you know,
- if I, if I was not funded, I was able to show me your rubrics. And then I see everybody gave me a seven and then.
- Yeah, but the rubric is the only indicator it's just used in conjunction with. Exactly. Exactly. So,
- so I'm just, I'm just saying it for the good of the, you know, I have to suspend judgment until I get
- full information. And that's what I get from people informing me, which has a dramatic effect in terms
- of changing your real time. So that way that what's on.
- is reflected above where you said. It's just kind of a first approximation that we're making. Yeah,
- that's fair. I mean, that's fair. So when people say, well, why not? Because you can score it. Well,
- and then that's why we have our next meeting in, what, two weeks to finalize this. If you have time
- to walk away and think about it. That's fine. And go, you know what? I did say I would go along with
- the zero, but now I don't necessarily. So this isn't our final answer for tonight. But it's close. Yeah.
- So now we've made our way through all of them, and we are left with about 10,750-ish left. On the ones
- that we start, I'm going to write our delta, just so you can get a sense based on what they asked for. OK.
- why do that? I'm sorry, that's stupid. So with the discrepancy? We can just see that. I don't have an
- outbreak. But I mean, that's a good point for number seven there for big brothers, big sisters. That's
- the one that we were saying we could look at more. That was the one that we did talk about saying, hey,
- maybe we'll do less. Now, how are we thinking about making
- these adjustments? What is our approach, our philosophy for reconsidering? So for example, this is the
- only one that we're looking at possibly lowering. Are we looking at then, hey, look at these other ones
- that we said, you know, look at how many asterisks we have. We might want to, how strongly do we feel
- about giving them more money? How much more money?
- Okay. Well, what if we went to the ones that we by and large had a, had a very high ranking for, like
- where at least, you know, three people had them as very high, something like that. And then like, we
- start with those and see if we can get them closer to their, cause like some of these are asterisks
- because it was just like so close to what they asked for. Right. So like, you know, it was community,
- community kitchen were worth $400 off.
- and it's very high for many of us. See what I'm saying? Yep. I'm looking at my rubric so I can see.
- Or I could also, if we just did something simple in terms of points, let me do something here. Okay.
- So give me just a second to do it. Okay. So on our average score,
- doesn't matter, but the average score. We can sum the scores. I was just going to say, I was thinking
- if we could do the high, like, you know, give low one, low medium a two, like just, just go up like
- that. But then some of us didn't put it. That's why, that's why we couldn't think about this. Okay, sorry.
- We'll just do the spot check, I guess then. So we're on. So like, starting at the first asterisk, which
- just happens to be the brothers, the sisters. I don't want you guys to think I'm just going for the
- sisters. But so you can just look at that one. Four out of five of us ranked them as many young. And
- so then it's like, and then
- I mean, that's the one that was somewhat skewed, right? Like you have, and again, I mean, I'd rank them
- as a three and use that same argument to zero out Wonderlab. You have them as a 7.5, but still as medium.
- You have them as a medium and zeroed out. You have them as an eight, but as a medium. Then it was, Dave
- has them as a very high.
- You know, I, you know, when I take a 30,000 foot view, I, I'm, I'm most interested in food shelter.
- Yeah. Uh, you know, people, psychological support recovery, vulnerable children, um, things like that.
- Um, so, you know, if I were to divvy up the, what is it? 10,000 left. Yeah. I would just sort of.
- look at it in that regard, I would be willing to go lower in terms of, where were we? 14. 14, yeah.
- So I would be willing to go, I'm comfortable with 14, but I would go lower than my very high 20,000.
- if we want to allocate it to something that is really of need. What should we look at the others first
- and come back to this to see what? Because it seems fairly clear. Like, start a community kitchen is
- easy. Like, we should fund them completely. I'm cool with that. Right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. I just, can I change
- it? Should I change it in the average ways? I don't know. Let's actually put it in the recommended space
- so we don't mess up what we're doing. OK.
- And that's fine. Excuse me. I think Exodus was another one that was a very high sort of power high across
- the board. Yeah, it was high. Or like $6,000 off there. Well, actually, I read a little more, but.
- I mean, I funded them at $17,000.
- And do you want to say, see what happens if we fund them full and where we go from there? Or maybe let's
- find the other easy ones. I mean, so that's a big, that's a big difference. The food bank is another
- one is this 1,100 off. Yeah. Food is a good, um, can you make the column AC, uh, money column? And then we had,
- My sister's closet was a big difference. So that one, I don't think had super high. I mean, I rented
- it a medium. I don't know.
- Planned Parenthood was another one that was close. That's the next one. That would be nice to bump them
- up a little bit at least.
- What are we thinking for Sober Mesa? There's a difference of 2000. Eddie, you had zero. What would you?
- Yeah. So according to how I score things, with the new score, I now have that $6,000 for them. So if
- that's reported in the cumulative,
- You don't mind if I, if I just sort of these by the stars real quick. Sure. So what, you know, that
- way it's 6,000 is way more than the zero that initially. There you go. So now you're starting to talk.
- Oh, no. What happened? Oh, oh, nevermind. I was looking at.
- Now the recommend column has some numbers in it, where it's not starred, but I see what's happening.
- There you go, yeah. Okay, so with the changes we've done so far, with the stars, just three stars, we
- are now at, oh, we don't have an addition, thank you.
- Also, you didn't make the changes. You wrote them in the block, didn't you? In the recommend.
- There we are. Okay. Oh, right. But that's why it's so much lower. I was like, how much do we have left?
- So they're like counting to zeros when they're not at all.
- If, um, so did you want to make sober Mesa full? No, well, I mean, I think I was suggesting six thousand
- would change. If you were looking at sober Mesa, we're at seven, seven eight. Uh, yeah. That's another
- food one. I would, I would say, um, I'm fine with full of funding or just kind of meeting them at night.
- Nine? Yeah, nine. To see what else is left for one of the other folks. Yeah. Eddie, can you close your
- ears for a second, please? OK. Can we put in, see what happens when we fully fund Summit Hill to try
- to make up the damage? 24-4 or what was it? 980. Yeah, 24-980. OK, Eddie. OK. You can come back.
- I think if, as long as I don't deliver, it's fine by chair. I think it would make sense to fully fund
- cancer support. What was that? Three, six, five, zero. It's not much. Yeah. C jam was also not far off. Right.
- going to overshoot a bit, probably to Cam's pleasure. I think we should do at least 18 if we can. But
- I'm just putting in the breath. I mean, I'm sympathetic to
- Or does tandem not start? We did not start tandem. Okay. Well, we could have started that. Well, I thought
- it was one that we might consider bumping up a little bit. I think to be fair, I think that, I mean,
- what we're offering now is good. I mean, if we had a lot more money insurance on them fully, but if
- we're looking at organizations,
- Yeah. I mean, if we can find another 5,000 for tandem, I'd be happy, but I don't know that. My sister's
- closet is way off their ass, right? And, and this is just looking through this. We have lots of very
- highs and a high. So we have a lot of say lots. Okay. I was high. Um, you were medium. Uh, Cam was medium.
- Eddie was very high. Uh, um,
- Uh, the date was very high and just by the allocation, it seems like Andy was higher, very high. So,
- and then we, we end up. Like not even half, like, do we want to, I mean, just giving them just a little
- over half. I mean, should we see what happens if we go up to 30 for starters? And then we're just missing Exodus.
- Well, and Big Brother's Big Sister. Correct, but that would be the last one, because we have a query
- on the floor, right? Yes. Somebody suggested 18 for Exodus. I did. Just short of their 20. I said to
- see what we can do with 18, where that gets us. But then Exodus over Tandem, Exodus over, we've now
- funded all the food lines fully, right? Yeah, I think the only other one that we had in mind was,
- Hopefully maybe tandem. So now we're looking at in conjunction with each other, right? Exodus, tandem,
- and my sister's closet. Those were all like tentatives. Yep. Okay. So thoughts. Let me put it in. Let
- me just put it in. So you can see people start by that. And then. So that gets us to,
- $4.93, and that's without Big Brothers Big Sisters. So if we keep that at $18, then you're talking about
- funding Big Brothers Big Sisters with what's remaining, which is $6,700 or something like that. Or actually
- just right at $7,000. And that gets us to $60.78 still.
- So that's pretty dang good for our overall target. Now. Leaving tandem, my sister's closet in Exodus
- where they are. Exodus is at 18. So I could go 14 back to where we were. I mean, call it 15.
- that leaves us with 3000 more. I was five and 18 then. Yeah, I was too. Okay. I mean, I really like
- the work of my sons at the NTNM, but they did both mention that they have potential new fundraising
- and new development stuff that they're doing, where Exodus right now, they're basically fighting the
- entire world.
- Yeah, exactly. We don't know where to get funding from. So I'm cool with where we're at. And I think
- both the directors at Westchester Plaza in Canada will figure things out and try to find other ways
- to raise that money that they can get from us. All right. Can I be annoying and ask us to take $60 off
- of Habitat for Humanity? We're in. Yes.
- That's it. And the change. Yeah. That's the only instance. One less box of the average or whatever.
- Okay. There we go. Feel better? Yes. Okay. We can give somebody $6 if you'd like. Should we take $1.17
- off Grow Zinc?
- All right. I'm just joking. Let's not get into that. We don't have to. All right. So we have a working
- grant allocation tentatively. Considering that we had to rebuild this sheet in the meeting, that was
- very efficient. You guys.
- I'm not sure that we that we recommend. Well, we don't actually officially make this, but I just motion
- that we end this meeting with this recommendation on this one. I am not writing that much. Well, now
- I have to do we need to we need to officially decide what happens when Catherine sends her
- So Catherine did send it. I can't access it. I think there needs to be... She wrote it and said, I'll
- send it tonight or something. She did. Oh, she sent it? Yeah, she sent it. But I can't personally access
- it. Maybe someone else in this room can. I mean, give it a try. We can just maybe look at it and then
- I'll... Yeah, that's cool. That's what I've been thinking.
- in our next meeting incorporated. I think the useful thing is you put it in there and then you see if
- the numbers, so we have stars by the ones where we changed, where we know that we changed, right? And
- so then if her number, like so for example, if her number made big brothers, big sisters jump to 30,000
- or something, then we'd be like, ah, okay, more debate needs to happen.
- Right? Is that right? Yeah, that's good. Just making sure I'm thinking foods correctly. I get it. Basically,
- if she does a genius with our allocation. Right. Yeah. Like, the athletes are genius. And particularly
- the ones where there are stars. Yeah. Yeah, I can access her sheet. I can see it. Right. Yeah. I mean,
- she comes in with no baggage of the genius community. She's new, right? So it might be easier for her
- to be like, oh, leave him. Is he worried about him?
- Yeah. Okay. We'll do that. I adjourn. Thank you, Sharon. Thank you very much.