Hear ye, hear ye, I officially call this Jack Hopkins pre-allocation meeting to order. And so we heard.
Or 2026. I'm, there we go, trying to get the, not trying, I do have the document open, I'm trying to
make it a little bigger.
Is anyone going to be sharing anything on the screen? Well, I was going to ask if we can. Are you able
to or should I? I think yeah, because then I would have to drive it. It doesn't make sense, but I will
share that. Join the meeting. I'll make you a cohost and then you can share this with us. Well,
thank you. Yeah, alright, so patients. Everyone. Please. As I figure out the link or should I be in
your calendar at all? Do you have access to your calendar?
I never remember to actually use this calendar, because everything automatically reports to my calendar.
But zoom meeting. All right, so I figure we will. Why is it not opening for me? By the way, thank you
very much for that. I didn't respond, but here it is. The email.
about the agendas, the agenda. Oh yeah, I didn't write them for tonight because we were just going over
the allocations and I figured we didn't need it. And then as I was driving here, I was like, oh, maybe
I was supposed to. Although committees are different. Yeah, committees are a little funky. Super. Thank you.
So I'm going to pull up this document for us to share. And then I'll try to make it bigger because I
don't have my reading glasses today.
There we go. Zoom a little bit. Oh, I did that. Okay. So thank you all for your patience with the rubrics.
I know we were all very late getting up to, or most of us were. So I apologize to our staff who was
helping us. I'm grateful for the,
patience as we got it all done. Now, I'm just going to... Okay. Can everybody see that well enough?
Yep. All right. And you all have access to this document anyway. Well, Esau, just so you know. That's
over there. It's just purging. All righty. Now, I'm going to test one thing if you guys don't mind.
I want to see if I... Oh, I can't. You can just open it.
Are you trying to edit it? No. Oh, OK. I was going to say, can we open it in Google if we need to? Do
you want to? Well, because this is in Excel. And then it's all formatted funky. Oh, I see. I see. And
I don't want to mess with that. But we are going to have to edit it as we're going through. So why don't
I? Sorry, guys. Should I just? Evan said there was one in the drive, right? Yeah, there's one there.
But I don't know what that is.
Or like, I don't know, did we? Okay, I do, I think. Cool. I don't know how to get there. Okay, I'm gonna
stop sharing for a second. This is called committee meetings online. Thank you for your patience. So
did anybody have any difficulty ultimately at the end of the day, like getting everything settled and
figured out?
No, it was a little tricky. Yeah, the rubric was tricky. And I think that the next round, whoever does
this, it'll be easier. But it was a little tricky, especially with the scoring. Yeah, the scoring tones
changed. Yeah. It hyperinflated everything, right? So everybody ended up with a high rating,
except you. Yeah, I don't. You changed the grammars in yours. Yeah.
Oh yeah, I moved mine to like 10 or more, it was very high, 8 or 9 was high. Because we added things
because last year, the 5, 6 place made sense. Okay. I don't see it anywhere. Actually, are we able to
find it in the drive? No, but I don't even know what drive he needs. There's the iDrive and the Google
sweet drive. Yeah, I was in the Google. I can check the drive. What is it that you're looking for?
So put this in the Google Drive so we can edit it. So as we're going through, just track what we're
doing. Just what? If you download it and put it up there, what is it? Well, it's in an Excel sheet.
And then the formatting is all bananas and hard to read, which we can take the moment to do.
We have options. And I'm trying to find the quickest one for us.
I opened it in Google Sheets Online, and it didn't make it too funky. OK. Do you want to join the meeting,
too, and share? Again, if that's what you do. Would you mind? That's going to make you the secretary.
Why don't you just try it real quick. Open it and click for it. Instead of open with, just say open
with Google Sheets. Well, it's attached as an Excel. Yeah. And then you click open with Google Sheets.
to share your screen real quick. Okay. Okay. Hold on. Here we go. I'm going to share my screen again.
Okay. So right here, download, drive, or edit with Google Sheets. Isaac, you're a genius. Thanks.
I mean it. So does this? Yeah. Where? You know when you click it like the way you clicked last time?
Yeah, I know. It just was supposed to. Did you just click the whole thing? Click like the middle of
it? Look at it. And then at the top, where it said, yeah, do that. Edit the latest. There we are. Do this.
And that, my friends. And if you share with us the link, we could all actively edit it as well.
Or just share. Just click Share and then type our names in or something. It'll all work. I think we
should all actively shoot. And if you're in charge, don't just sit here to make suggestions. Everybody
suck tells me. OK.
You all have editing privileges. I just sent you all a notification. You can get in there. Thank you.
Thank you for helping me figure this out. OK. So I guess we'll just go in order of how they're listed
here on this document. And I think one suggestion, just a minor one, a sense check one, is that if you
average out
because we've averaged out the scores, but we haven't averaged out the amounts. We haven't. And so if
we add, and I can do that real quick, but if we, if everybody's okay with it, I suggest that we add
an average amount on this side to sort of see if we're getting involved or if that gives us something
to move on. And then do we want to organize it by score to go highest to lowest? Like, would that make
it easier? Like the average scores? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, we could do that. Rather than just going in that order that it's in right now, because that's
usually what we do. Yeah, we do the highest to lowest. Okay, I'm gonna. I don't mind like switching.
I just don't want to mess up whatever you're doing.
think about work. Oh, you might be able to sort the very high. There's a column that's the very high,
high, maybe that one. The right up here, this one, the Oh,
Right. Because I think these are grouped together. I think they're linked, so I might have to. But I'm
going to try doing it by column X. Okay. Make sure you. Okay. But did you. Yeah, make sure you.
Yeah. Actually, I'm sorry. It will change by itself. Yes. Well, and it should because it's Google Sheets.
It takes everything from it. Okay.
reasonable, like a show at risk of life. But I'm just noting that if you essentially, just a, just a
quick note, if we essentially gave the average of what we're suggesting, well, our money just fell without
any, without any questions, we don't go over or under, we're at, we're like four and nine, three. Oh.
So just, just noting that this, you know. Well, that's a really good start. I think maybe then that helps.
I think we can talk through each of these pretty quickly then, and if anybody has strong feelings about
what the allocation came out to, we can have a discussion if we want to change anything. Otherwise,
go us for being in good shape. Yeah, thank you. We'll see. Yeah, that's why I was like trying to, like,
oh, this is like very annoying to look at like this. All right. So we're ready to start. Start with
Hoosier Hills Food Bank.
Yeah. All right. So they rated the highest average score. The minimum that they got was six.
The max was 11.5. Average allocation was $39,063.29 and they requested $40,000. I'm the only one who
didn't give them full. But that was just by virtue of spreading it out. Everybody else gave them full.
I did not give them full. Oh, you did too. I see that. Yeah. I didn't give anybody full.
Well, no, I lied. I did give a few full, but I, because they were my highest, I did like, uh, I kind
of weighed down my numbers and did like this group gets 90%. This group gets 85% as my starting base.
But then the really big asks like who's your Hills tandem. Those had to be calculated separately. Anyway,
that was my explanation. So does anybody have any thoughts or feelings about
changing Hoosier Hills. I was just going to check though, and I don't know if we all want to do these.
It's like, you know, if we're not, if we're not giving people full amounts, I think we should verify,
you know, what they said they were, their funding priorities, right? So I think that that's maybe the,
the balancing to make sure that they can. Well, right. Cause if, cause if they ask for 40,000, you give
them 39, like, I don't know.
That I mean, that in their case, in their case, that probably works because of what because of what
they're asking for. I think for some other, the sort of like project one, two, three, and, you know,
like half on project three. Right. So, well, in the. Applications turning the new name for the application.
That's not listed right there. You'd have to go into their budget sheets. Yeah, that's not listed as
a standard part of the.
application anymore. I mean, maybe it's not worth pulling teeth about it in many ways as well because
they, I mean, I guess they can self-adjust, right? So if it ends up being that they spent $11,000 instead
of $12,000 because it didn't make sense to spend $12,000. Right. Well, unless anybody had specific feedback
in their allocations, like, look, I know you said you wanted this money for A, B, and C. I'm giving
you X amount.
because I think I'm prioritizing A. That's how I want you to put them into it. We can talk about that
until we get to any of those specific issues. But I don't think we have a lot of that this year. Yeah,
sorry. No, thank you. All right. Mother Hubbard's covered. Next, they requested $13,182. They scored
a 10.0. They got very close to full $12,769.07.
Any feedback on that from anybody? Any big feelings? No. All right. Great. Wheeler mission? Well, I
guess my one feeling is that, like back to kind of the point, you know, we just kind of moved on from
the budget thing, but like they asked for such a specific number, 13,182. So it was kind of like. Right.
Why? Yeah. Why not just?
Cause I also wonder in terms of how we want to, do we want to create some sort of system for projects
that get like around the number versus ones, like all the ones that like a certain number of like the
highest ones, like we fully fund them or if it's a capital project where it's there depending more on
like full funding to may have to like buy the van, you know, like, yeah, it feels like $7,000. Right.
We could put an asterisk by ones like this and then revisit what happens in bleeding. I also think that
a lot of nonprofits, if it's like, you know, like $13,180 on the Harvard cover is going to be able to
figure out how to get that additional $182. I don't think that we should worry too much about this until
we get to the end. And then yeah, if anything extra that makes sense,
by looking at their project to round them back up to that. That'd be fine. I mean, I know that after
listening to T&M and how they can make payroll, that's a different situation, but an organization that's
been around for the Hoverstover, they can probably come up with the, well, when we round it down. Well,
and I feel like we're so close to their full past,
When we get further down to the lower priority ones, if we're not close to their full ask, and it is
one of these rounds, we're not going to round it up to that full number just because we want to make
it even. So at least I don't imagine we would. But we can like asterisk this for our list to come back
to. One additional point is that the summit hill,
said no to partial funding. The only one says looks like. So everybody said yes. So it's in those four.
So these people do that, right? Well, I can't come out of some other word. So wondering also because
we that that one is missing a few. So we're missing we're missing Andy Dave's and obviously yours then.
And we're missing an allocation amount from Catherine.
For what, Summit Hill? For Summit Hill. And then I'm assuming, if things are left blank, we assume they're
zeros. So, like, so, like, Sobri, Nessa, did you mean to zero them out, Eddie? They were low on how
I scored them. So, I think that they have a worthwhile project, but if I'm funding everything else,
they can't fund everybody, right? So, for Nessa, I did not fund
the co-authored living, and I'm happy to share that. If we can wait until we get that one, I did not
find hotels very cold, so. Yeah, we can talk about when we get to ones that any of us did fun, we should
talk about why. Yeah. And I'm just thinking, I just want to make sure we have them in the zeros because
it will change the calculation there, right? Oh, no, it doesn't actually change the calculation in the
zeros. Good. Oh, super. All right. So we have mother Hubbard's cupboard asterisked.
Wheeler Mission. Could I just say something? Yeah. No, I funded Summit Hill for $20,000. Great. Yeah.
If it didn't appear, I think some of the things didn't appear because I think Andy funded Sober Mesa
for recommended funding and it's blank. Okay, good. Some of these fields are blank for... I was going
to say, why don't you all take a moment, everybody check your
allocations. Andy, double check through your list. Make sure there's nothing blank that shouldn't be
blank. Oh, OK. So you're going to have to leave, because I got my allocations up on one computer screen.
You have to leave my so I can see on your document. OK, let me check mine, and then I'll go over to
yours and show you yours. Have sad. OK, OK. Send it to where it made the changes, please.
Yeah, I only didn't fund one so. That looks good handy. Any reason you would want to keep this originally
document as a original record? Is that safe someone? Yes, yeah, because we opened it as a Google Doc,
but it's saved as an Excel. OK, OK, OK, so ready Andy. So yeah, so.
It's, um, I did zero some out, but, but, okay. So it shows you zeroed summit Hill hotels for hope. No,
that's totally wrong. I gave hotels for up all kinds of money. Um, okay. Okay. So wait a minute. Um,
uh, so you're saying summit Hill hotels for hope. What else does it show them that I Bloomington cooperative living.
Okay, Billy McQuarrick of Living, I gave them $5,000. Okay, but then this suggested everything's wrong.
Like, how do you trust it? So, and then could, did we mess it up when we switched, when we organized
it? Shouldn't have, but might not.
So I think we have to, I mean, if you find more than two irregularities in the same person's thing,
then you have to assume that all of it's wrong. Like we can't proceed assuming that it's right. You
see what I'm saying? So I'm looking at my form now. I had Sober Mesa. I had 9,500 for them. Does this
have me zeroing out Planned Parenthood? I had 5,000, I believe, for Planned Parenthood. Let's see.
What was the big one that we just talked about? Hotels for Hope. I gave Hotels for Hope 29,000. Okay.
Yeah, so something. Should we reconstruct this form? I'm just, I'm like, why would it have been that
wrong? Right. I gave Summit Hill 21. Okay. Okay. So can you access the Excel version? Yeah.
I'm just trying to figure out the best way. Should we just work off the Excel version? We can go back
to the... Well, here's a suggestion, is that if we put it in alphabetical order, and then we all just
paste our data directly into the file from our own folders. Okay. And then we have access to Katniss.
We can pull hers up and paste it in. Yes. Okay.
Before we do that, let's know. Yeah, because I'm just saying I'm noticing that the original document.
It's wrong. So we made yeah, it looks like I went back to like the original that you just opened and
it's like the Excel version is wrong. Yeah. Okay, so let's so yeah, so let's so let's start a clean
document. Well, we have we're already on this one so that we don't right and so so so sort this by.
I'm going to sort by organization name, right? All right. So are you doing that? Yeah, I'll do that.
Okay. Thank you. And then everybody, everybody should sort your individual spreadsheets by organization
name. Okay. If anybody's typing right now, stop typing just for Sam. Cause it won't let me sort while
you're typing. You will have your scores separately that you're going to copy them. That's not the Excel
sheet. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Now I'm on board. This gets confusing.
Yeah. Okay. I'm going to stop Sherry so that I can do mine without you guys having to get a headache
looking at mine. Does that make sense, everybody? It does. We're all on the same page. Are we just?
Oh, nevermind. It doesn't matter. So some vertical merge.
Students. All of a sudden I'm really hungry.
Once you sorted it, we're just taking what columns, just the recommendation and amount. Is that right?
Are we doing the scores? Score, recommendation, amount. Score, recommendation, amount. Is it in that
order? Yes, they are in that order.
So if you paste values only in the first like your top leftmost one and you have copied all of your
columns and you just say paste special values only that should put all of the data in there without
messing anything up. Okay so yeah because you want to right click on that then when you go to paste it
I am glad to learn this hard way last night when I was working. Andy, you doing okay with getting yours all set?
No, I you're technologically out of my league here completely. I don't know how to, you know,
trust me to. Oh, yeah. Mine was unusual because member Courtney, you said the you were the only one
who had access to mine or something the way you yours. I copied and pasted it. OK. Yeah. OK. I can deploy
it because I'll have access if he does.
Okay. I mean, you can, you can access that ever since then. Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay. Spot check mine. We
think of opposite way.
That's the way.
Anyone speak to this vertical merge?
You see up to look happens to you. Oh, thank you. They open this which is the ready to be captured because
the picture. Okay.
Thank you. Andy, I can do yours. Oh, thanks. Thanks. Here, are you able to get into this? I think. Oh,
no, no, no. No, no, no. What's in the drive is not right. I see. OK, who has? I have it. Have it, OK.
Yeah. The trick is you have to hide the top column, because it won't let you do vertical integration.
Yes, that was my problem. So hide the columns one through three. Oh, one through three. And then so
the top one, so the top one says organization. Yes.
Can I just delete the rows? You may not want to do that, because you need to open them. And then now
you should be able to sort by. And then at the bottom, it would have sorted the total column at the
bottom. So it's a total junta. Oh. So it's going to keep going. Yeah.
Yeah. And the one. Okay. Yeah. So, uh. Okay. This can't be right because um like I I scored so I gave
him 1010. It's not showing up but they're all the totals are all down. So, that's impossible. I mean,
so, somehow,
So many sewers are replicating in everyone's. Yes. That's why I sent the message saying everybody needed
to make a copy of their own. That shouldn't work that way. What's that mean? What is going on here?
Let me just come here. The reason why this isn't a real number. That's not a real number.
This should say equals that. That's your number, right? So check against that. Well, that's strange
that I'm still, you know, just, right? Yeah, just double check, because, oh, and, oh, and then if you're
like me, that problem, and we both hit those columns instead of copying them, instead of deleting them.
Didn't paste. Yeah, first I. Deleted it. But then OK, I see what I need to do. And then we can hopefully
freeze. Organization brow. He's one row perfect. If you freeze real one,
then when you go to sort of A through Z, it doesn't pull that into it. And then we still just need to
know if this is at the bottom. Does it not work for you? It worked. Mine worked. Mine definitely worked.
mine did not work. They're all scrambled for instance. I don't know what happened. Where was your sheet
again? I wonder if it gets scrambled there too.
Like the one does, does he turn a little bit here. This was good enough that that wasn't. Okay, that's
what happened. Okay. So yeah, mine's right too. I wonder if this is the last couple that got turned
in. You know, because we gave him the phone for me. I'm not so clear. Well, let's check it. We killed
him as a test case. Yeah. So the mess was wrong before as well.
Yeah, I think that's correct. I look right now? Yeah, yeah. OK. Yeah, so that's what we did wrong. OK.
So it's sorted, but it didn't. And I see, actually, exactly why you still don't have filters on them.
So I don't know. OK. Normally, I love Google Docs, but tonight, you've only a lot of value when you
do them, don't you? I do, yeah. What about August's cabin?
Okay, let's, let's test it. Yeah, let's do this.
Could I just leave? He can't take me with him. Yeah, versus mine though. I mean, versus the default
of mine. I didn't just go. It's not my fault. Okay.
So Andy? Yeah? I don't see any scores in your rubric. I just want to make sure that's accurate. No,
that's not accurate. There should be some. Now, there are a few that I just
became sort of frustrated with and didn't score, but I left an amount for everyone. No, I see amounts.
Yeah, but but a few only if there's probably maybe 20% or so, or maybe a quarter of them will not have
a rubric point ranking, but but 75% of it should have a majority of it should have. I'm looking at it
right now.
Let me see. You have numbers in yours? Oh, I see. Maybe a bunch of them I didn't total. I didn't. No,
that's fine. As long as you have amounts, I just wanted to verify. Yeah.
Yeah. Look at column P, like I have it all blank from what I'm looking at. Is that? We have an A to
column. Column P? Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Courtney, column P is blank. But- Okay. Thank you very much.
But columns I, J, K, L, M, they have numbers in most of them. Yeah. Yeah. But that's not- Okay. Yeah.
We don't need that for the final rubric that we're putting together.
Okay. I see. Are you able to access the group documents now that we just opened up the Jack Hopkins
grant recommendation compilation? You had it up a minute ago, right? Yes. All right. I'm going to put
it back up. I want you to take a look and make sure your column looks right for me while I handle. Okay.
And yours is? So Catherine's is not at all correct. No, Catherine's is mine. And I didn't ask Catherine's
at all. I accessed my rubric. My camera shared with me. So what Catherine sent was yours? I think somehow
Catherine's rubric was replaced by mine. Where did you pull Catherine's from? Was it from the email
she sent? Yeah. Yeah.
And I'm pulling it from the individual graded version. And if you click on hers, if you go to- Okay,
no, no, no. The individual graded version, we're gonna be wrong. Yeah, pull it from the email she just
sent. Catherine, or Cameron said she did. Yeah, I think Cameron, I think it all goes to the same location.
Andy, is that looking okay for what you see so far? Is there a magical way that I can,
make mine alphabetical? This is yours. It is alphabetical. No, mine's not. Because Amethyst House is
not at the top. At the top of mine is... Oh, it is. It is. I made yours alphabetical when I copied it.
Oh, OK. OK. I remember it wasn't that way originally. So it wasn't. I just did it now so I could copy
these directly into the new document. Yeah, it looks right now. OK.
We can do a spot check. For Boys and Girls, for example. Let me see. Boys and Girls. We can do a spot
check. Take a look at, you said Summit Hill, you knew you gave them $21,000. That's correct. Okay, wait.
Let me look back at Boys and Girls Club. I have 14 recommended. Yeah. Yeah. 14. Yeah. Okay.
And then 3300. And then, yeah. Yeah. That's looking 10, 5, 15. Yeah. Yeah. That looks right now.
Yeah. Awesome. Okay. Thank you. Good work. Thank you. Here's this funky where it's like, of course I'm
going to lane is funky. Yeah. And you scroll to the bottom. Oh, I know what I did. I'm going to have
to fix it because I just fix it. Yeah. I just have to take those two out. You can just delete them and
move up. Yes.
Thank you. But we don't have any scores. And these numbers are in his amount recommendations are in.
Yeah, sorry. I didn't know that. Yeah, I just got frustrated with those calculating the totals of numbers
just for the overall rubric ranking or rubric number. So I'm sorry. I apologize for that. OK, no, that's
it was a mess.
No, don't worry. We're straightening it out. It's all good. So do we have a way of contacting Catherine
to ask her if she has a copy of her? I can text her. I was just going to say I can send her an email,
but it might be faster to text. There's maybe what she can do is go into her document
If what she's pulling up is showing what Eddie had, maybe all she needs to do is like kind of undo a
few steps and I pull her stuff back up. We've got to worry. While I'm doing that, can you all go in and
Where you have zeros, particularly, and camera. Can you actually put the zeros? So.
Um, Evan sent us a document of the, of the compiled, um, today at five 11. That seems to be that has
captured stuff there. This email here. Okay. And because it's he, he sent it as an attachment and not
as a link to the Google drive. So, um, I'm going to refer that to everyone here. And, um, that's where
we started.
That's where we started. So this document is right in Catherine's stuff. But how do you know it's right?
I mean, whatever was on there. Yeah, that's true. Whatever was on there was, who knows where that was
coming from. But yeah, but the Google Drive is incorrect. It's definitely incorrect. You're right. Yeah,
Catherine's still matches yours in this. In the Google Drive? In the Google Doc that was attached. Yeah.
Oh, you're right.
Wait, are we sure it actually matches, or was she working off of your rubric and just kept the comment?
So the numbers actually match? The numbers say 489200. Okay. So I'm looking at it, and here's Catherine,
and I rounded all my stuff, and Catherine did. So Catherine recommended that, so let's go down some though.
which I can't, on the non. She gave someone else one grand. So this- And where are you looking? On Evan's
document? Evan's document that he sent us in an attachment. Right, but that- But let that happen. Sorry.
just like, I don't, I don't know how you can trust that document. If we found it's treated in multiple
errors in it. So this is like without problems. I think Evan just accidentally copied and pasted. It's
like Katherine Eddie's, Andy's and Dave's own batch. Yeah. So exactly. Yeah. So I'm here. So I think
he just accidentally copied and pasted their walk because do you see, they think you were looking at mine.
Well, if they were coming from the drive, that Google drive that they were all in, they were all gonna
be messed up. Cause that's why I went in there over the weekend and I saw everybody had like the same
exact. I didn't even know we had our own. Well, that's how I knew. Cause I pulled mine up. I hadn't
even done my rubric yet and it was all filled out and it was not at all what I would have worn in any
way. I was like, oh, this is somebody else's work. It's saved across all of them.
people didn't have their own individual links in there. So I think that is where this was going wrong.
You can get updated. It did, okay. We're almost there guys.
It's weird that it's just like, so it just stopped dating. Because remember I showed it to you, and
I showed that, that's when I kicked my ass. And now I'm reading back, now I can say I did all two visits.
But you know, we're looking at five-year-old school. Oh, okay, I was about to say you don't. I mean,
he says five-year-old, and I'm five. It's not effective.
But I'm also just like not being held on his head. She had asked me, like, did I not think of opportunities?
She said they had already reached out to you and I was like, well, that's cool stuff. And she's been
keeping it up to you. Here's a thought. So we got everybody else's right now? He has a twin sister.
Is everybody else just in there correctly? I think so. Because I'm thinking we could, for now, until
Katherine responds, we can basically
Zero goes out for the moment. We've alerted her to the thing. Just a suggestion, we could zero it out.
She could, if she sends ours, we can go through the conversations that we were going through, and then
we can basically validate and see if her answers wildly throw off any of our numbers. That's a great
idea. Because it may well be that her numbers end up coinciding with ours. Exactly. Does that
seem reasonable, everyone?
Yes. So I'm going to clear Catherine's. OK, thank you. And then? And then I'm going to go through a
couple of these average allocations need to be fixed, because they don't have the zeros in them. They
just have blanks. So Eddie, did you? Who did that? I'm just doing that. I'll save you. No, you're good.
You're good. You gave courage to change silver living zero. Yes. OK. Because they explored the room.
Just checking.
It might be ideal to, once Catherine's is zeroed out to maybe make a original copy, save that version
until you get Catherine's, just in case you get records for pluses. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. I think we
have to completely remove it when she... I think so, sorry. For this, and then until she has a copy,
adding her back in.
So we can just duplicate the whole bottom sheet, is that what you're saying? And then we can pull her
out of one and then keep, and then. As long as there's one, you won't be seeing your original data,
if you will, like the record of copyright. Copy of record. No missing. I was just gonna say, yeah, another
tab in the. Yeah. Perfect. And then. Missing Katherine. And then I'm gonna delete Katherine from this.
Okay, so right now we're gonna work off the missing Katherine tab. Yes.
But let me fix this. Well, yeah, that has to be divided by six, but also... Okay, actually, and I can
keep the plus those cells, right? You're removing our cells, or? Yeah, but now look at the coffin. Right,
because you removed your cells. Okay, what... That's what, yeah, unremove your cells. Leave the cell
in there for a second. Okay.
Okay, and what cell is that? That's N4. Is that right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, no. Oh, no, no. Since there
are three. Also, it's averaging out EM zeros for every... I'll fix that. ...happened to... I always
like to ask, I mean... And he said he... So that looks... Yeah, it's a calendar. Yeah, I told them.
He says my name. Yeah, I did not. We asked him.
So you were nice in terms of how she wanted a way to do that. That was not how I really thought of that.
I don't even know how to think of it.
Maybe the scores don't matter so much. The average score matters more. Yeah.
And the range just shows how much we are in disagreement. But all my scores are the minimum ones. I
was adding them. So I actually think that this data doesn't matter as much as we think. So I think the
average score is the most important point. And let's just do this in the simplest way possible.
But also, Andy doesn't have scores. And also, your scores are there. If your scores are all not on the
same scale. None of our scores are on the same scale.
Yeah, I was, I'm confused about all of your scales because clearly mine is right. No, but I don't think,
I don't think it matters too much because, because we have, I mean, okay, two thoughts, two thoughts
here. One is that looking back at the averages, we're back in the same territory. We're actually now,
we spent more money if we do with, by removing, by removing Catherine's.
So that puts us at 497 if you average out all of the recommended allocations. Now that we've corrected
that for things that we're missing. Okay, so I think all that really matters, yeah, is the
average allocations. Like, we can forget about the scores. Really, that's not going to impact. We know
what we scored then.
Right. And as we're going through each one, we have our argument to make for or against. I mean, yeah,
let me, or we can just use the average scores, I guess. Right. Well, just because you were saying everybody
did it, I've got a different. Yeah. I mean, that was my thinking, but. Scale a bit. Yeah. And I don't
know why some of these are, and then we, some have some of them, some of us don't have scores. So. Yeah.
Cause Andy didn't, his scores for some reason aren't in the sheet. I'm seeing them. So she, I think
she worked out. Okay.
Oh, she is. Did she just send the? Yeah, she's. She wants to work. Oh, she said she'll redo it tonight.
It's OK. It's OK. Please do not. Monday, right? I'm just going to sit in. It is the most Monday of Mondays.
OK. Well. All right. And we can actually we can do the validation.
later. Okay, sorry. I think we're back on track, everyone. Okay. All right. So we're just going to go
through alphabetically with these, right? Rather than trying to do the high score, low, whatnot. Thank
you for your patience, everyone, and thank you for your help. Well, we caught that. Yes, absolutely.
Okay. So, but we're still, if we scroll down to the bottom, we're still under
It didn't change our total summation being under what we're allotted to be able to award. And that's
huge. We could just give the money and run and be like, all right, we did our work. Everybody's allocated.
But I think we should go through each one pretty quickly. It's not going to take a lot of time. And
make our arguments for or against any increases or decreases if we feel strongly.
So Amethyst House requested $21,700. We are allocating $15,532.86. I'm going to pull my sheet up on
the phones. $18,121. What? Can you refresh your screen? Yeah.
I'm on the missing Catherine tab. Oh, go to the other one. We're just doing the other one. The other
one. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I guess they're technically both missing Catherine. Yeah. Sorry. No, that's okay.
So we're, we're working off this one. This is the correct double check the math there just to make sure.
So this is everybody's divided by six is what is what it should be.
Can you double click on that? Yeah, that's everybody divided by six. Yeah, this is everybody divided
by six. Okay. Should we get rid of the other sheet to avoid confusion? Is that the one that was,
or is that? We don't want to. I think this thing, Catherine, can be the record of in case there's a
records request, you have that original. Well, we kept her on this one. We just fixed the equations.
I feel like keeping her where we can plug in her stuff later and see if
Where the records for a question that will be fine. Where it still has the formulas for divided by seven.
Okay, got it. Does that make sense to you? Yeah. No, sorry. Oh, okay. So that's what we divide by seven.
That's where we'll plug her stuff in. Yeah. And then this one just is divided by six. So it's accounting
for their being one less. Okay. And the formulas. All right. That's super. All right. Sorry. I was playing mine.
up on my phone so I can see as we're talking through. So Amethyst House, 21,700. We've got a little
over 18,000. Any thoughts or feelings there? Andy, you still with us? Yeah, yeah, I got it. So yeah.
Everybody good with the 18,000? Any thoughts about the Amethyst House request or feelings?
Okay, so the Avalon Community Land Trust, they requested 20,800. We have them in at $13,667. I'm gonna
compare into what I put. We can do that if they want. Any thoughts or feelings on Avalon? All right,
Beacon requested 7,000.
377. We gave them just over 7,000. Going once, going twice. All right. We're going to move down to Big
Brothers, Big Sisters of South Central Indiana. They requested 25,000. We have averaged 14,066. Anybody
want to talk about that at all?
I mean, I... You didn't want to give them any money? Yeah, they just didn't make it. But I gave full
funding as long as I could get full funding down the road. So that's why they didn't get any. They just
were past my threshold. Okay. So you're okay with giving them money? You didn't rate them a priority
at all? It doesn't feel like an emergency service to me. I feel like we have other needs that I would
want to put money
towards versus big brothers, big sisters. It doesn't feel like an emergency need to me. We want to put
an asterisk here and come back. Well, for security, unless they have a security. We're thinking Boys
and Girls Club. This is mentoring. The Boys and Girls Club is security, the building. I just wanted
them to expand. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I mean, I think it indirectly, it's not an emergency
service, but indirectly,
prevents emergencies by supporting children, supporting folks. So I'm fine with the allocation. I wanted
to give them more. I'm fine revisiting after we hit some other ones too. It is a different philosophy
though, isn't it? I mean, Cameron's philosophy is one that says, look, you fully fund very high ones.
I mean, more closely tied to the rubric.
versus if we average out, I think essentially watered down the significance of the rubric, right? Because
at the end of the day, we're just, I mean, we have some folks who are medium getting more money than
people that are on average very high. Yeah, and I think, I mean, that's where the subjectivity of some
of the rubric comes in. You know, cause I have big brothers ranked as medium.
And yeah, they were just medium for me too. Okay. It was medium. It was like the lower. But then I allocated
money to medium people. Like I only didn't allocate money to one and I only had one low, but like, but
I'm just saying like it's a, it is a different, it's a different philosophy that I think we have to
contend with, which, you know, like whether, whether the way that we want to approach this is saying
that, you know, if across the board, you're very high, you know, should you not get, I mean,
Do you not start with the perspective of everybody who's very high gets full funding? That's what I
did. That's what I did. I funded everyone very high, full funding. And then medium, I think I did 80%,
which for Big Brother. Which is arbitrary, right? But like. Well, I just, but I did 80% for all the
mediums. Yeah. And then I did medium, well, like 60% or whatever plus the next category, medium, whatever
or so. But no.
Yeah, I get the competing philosophies. Because I mean, but then on the other hand, on the other hand,
I'm like, okay, so then to Courtney's point about the subjectivity, you know, that was an arbitrary
decision to go to 80, right? And I might just have the same philosophy and stuck at 90. The point is
that then if we, in either case, we might then want to average out our suggestions, right?
I took a similar approach. I did not start with the highest ones getting full funding. I started at,
I don't remember if it was 90 or 95%. You started with the assumption that you weren't going to fully
fund anyone? Yeah, because I was like, I can't give everybody. Yeah, I just didn't think I'd be able
to fund everyone and keep some at full funding, especially anybody that requested, I think,
25,000 or more. I was like, I'm going to have to set those aside for consideration at the end. No matter
how badly I want to fully fund them, I might not be able to give a full 50 or 40,000. But then doesn't
that mean, so somebody is watching this meeting and the way that we deliberate and goes, well, next
time I'm applying for $100,000,
for emergency services because I'll know they'll find me at 80%. You don't know that yet. You run the
risk. Look what happened last year with the horse farm when they requested $200,000 and they don't need
to buy anything. But that was on the narrative. We did not think it was that. I'm just saying some of
these folks, what keeps... Beacon could have asked for $30,000 and they asked for $7,000.
And so do we weigh the ass, like does that, if it's high, very highly ranked and a low amount of money,
it feels, I'm just trying to say like, and maybe I'm just thinking out loud that I'm wrong, but is it
wrong for us to treat that the same as large ass,
soon saying like you end up giving you end up giving you know 50,000 to something that's high beacons
very high and we end up giving them, you know, 90% of their do you see what I'm saying. I don't know
if I hear what you're saying. But I mean, I was one also who suggested like let's just average come
out and start from there. But I'm just
you know, the more that I think about it, I'm just like, I just want to make sure that we all feel like
this is actually representing our work. I mean, the thing that I felt is like, I did a search through
like the bridge funding, loss of federal funding, all of the things like the emergency elements of like
the applications this year looks different than it has in past years. So for me, that's why it felt
very important to, for the very high applications that were super oriented about filling a need to like
fully fund those before like looking into the things that feel less urgent.
because like, like to your point, I'd be like, big brothers, big sisters, like, yeah, like long in terms
of lasting impact, like that is kind of like a preventative measure, but also then we have these big
asks being requested because like Kendricks County is losing their VOCA funding. And so, and they asked
for a lot of money and so that that feels like a war. Yeah. And that played into, you know, some of
my funding decisions, but I will also, you know, to, he starts averaging and also deliberating. I mean,
this is where,
you can kind of leave in the middle because this is an imperfect rubric with some other other factors.
And especially a perfect rubric. So I think that us going through each one and in some of us accepting
averages as opposed to how I would like funded big bucks to make money and I'm okay with 14-6, right?
So I think that
This is helping and it mitigates some of the differences in every once in a while. This is why we have
the human-garden purpose. It is an imperfect system, but us discussing this is very helpful. I'm happy.
I funded them fully, but I'm happy with the number of the average. Okay. And you know, we all also all
look at this in a different way. So it's like, when tandem came in and spoke, it hit me.
in a different way because I've worked with all these nonprofits and I've seen, I don't work with everyone
on this list. So it's, I mean, we're all coming from different lenses, even if we're all using a brick,
it's a factor. We're going to bring our own views into it. My bias is that I was that big and I don't
like big brothers, big sisters, so I have to check that as well. It's very true. Social wise, there's
seven of us, right? Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I have my own biases that I know of.
I'm working really hard to fight against, you know? But that's what my roommate spoke for them this
time, which I was proud of myself for. But I didn't interrupt you, Courtney, sorry. No, you're good.
You're good. Yeah, no, I mean, I have one I'm going to make a strong argument about when we get to it,
because it was one that I felt very strongly about when we get there. Me too. So, good. All right. So
are we going to asterisk? Was this the one that, or are we not going to?
I feel like I'm the only deserter and I'm conceding. Would you reduce it to zero because you didn't
give them anything? Or would you, you know, adhering to us, would you reduce it, you know, by more than,
what did they ask? 20? Or 20? 25? 20. And a couple gave us, you gave them 20, you gave them zero, is
14 too high for you?
Or a unit. Is one, I guess, I guess like putting a star by it would be good because it's one that- Yeah,
we can go back. Personally, we find like one small amount. I don't want to zero them out. I think it
also, it only will come into issue if we hit something that Kevin's very passionate about and it gets-
Yeah. Nothing. And then- Okay. And then there's an argument to be made. So I think that- Yeah. If we
asked for it to say, hey, this is one we would revisit to move some money. For sure. Yeah. Okay.
That's a good point, thank you. Bloomington Cooperative Living, they requested 8,500 and got 2,500.
Does anybody have a? So I'm fine with giving them money if this group wants to give them money, but
they repeatedly during their presentation talked about fair housing, and then they mentioned age as
discriminatory against fair housing, right? I mean, they talked about retaining young people. That's
discriminatory.
I think he was just, he didn't understand what your housing is, right? And I'm fine with that, but because
I worked in that field, I felt like I can't have someone say your housing, but if, like I was going
to use it, so. I would just say the three of us gave zero, and so half of us have given zero. So I don't
know if that, how that weighs. Again, maybe it's an asterisk to come back to, but. I felt like their target,
population didn't fully fall under our population's need. And I also felt like their ass didn't make
any sense. He couldn't name any global outreach for getting more people in the door. But so a digital
outreach strategy made no sense to me at all. I was like, that's something silly, but. And once again,
it's a jewel, but I mean, if they don't, then there's a chance for me in certain periods too. But I do,
I think that there's merit in alternative housing. I think that they, what they're doing is good, but
call it fair housing is not. Yeah. So Ms. Snowden at the very least. I gave them less than 50% what
they asked. And I'm not against adjusting that. I'm fine with 2,500. I think I'd be fine with zero too,
if you guys want to make a strong argument.
I could reduce mine based upon your comments, because it didn't occur to me that it would be against
fair housing. I can reduce mine. I'm happy to reduce mine, too. I had five, I think, $5,000 for them.
So when you guys say you're happy to reduce, you mean down to zero? Yes. Yeah. OK. I mean, I don't want
to issue anything that would be discriminatory, actually.
doesn't opportunity. Yeah. I mean, it just, I worry about, you know, are they helping people who are
able, you know, like someone in the wheelchair, are they going to make sense accessible for them? I
just don't know any of those questions. And he didn't help this case by saying, by using the term young
or keeping young. And they're not actively discriminatory. Just more, I feel it speaks to the ways they're
not intentional. Yeah. Right. And the way that we want
Yeah. Okay. I made the change. So that sounds good to me. Okay. Boys and Girls Club of Bloomington.
So this is the one that had the security. They requested 20,000. We've averaged 14,000. Anybody have
feelings about that? They were super high for me.
I recommended 20, but I'm also buying 14. It's close to what I recommended. Cancer support community,
they requested 3650. They got 3044, so super close. Anybody have thoughts on that?
I mean, they got medium on my rubric and, but still made it through kind of the threshold of fully funding
them, mostly because like that number is super accessible. And, um, and I, and I also, I think I gave
them a boost up because that is, I think. Often underserved population, like not always attended to.
And it was exactly how it went with me. I gave them a medium, but then I gave them a full.
full boost up to full amount for those same patients, more or less. Yeah, I feel like this is,
it's small, but targeted. And I also think that like part of the way that I thought through emergency
stuff is whether you're providing immediate relief and this is providing immediate relief during treatment,
right? So it's like, it's super narrow, but it's like, I think that's how it ended up still high on
my rubric.
Yeah. Yeah, it's such a modest request. Yeah. Would anybody be opposed to bumping this up to full funding?
Because it's just an extra $600, essentially. We can asterisk anything and come back, just because I
think there's lots of them that are at that best approach. That's true. OK. We're going to do that.
But we should. I mean, we should give away the additional $3,000. Would you spend the full money down?
I think if we, I don't know, we can argue about that at the end. I don't have a problem with leaving
some in the kitty for the future. There's already from the past. Is there still already? I thought we
came pretty close to driving it. There's one. What is north? I don't remember, but that's because also,
I mean, because, you know, folks don't always end up spending all the money they get allocated because
they have to spend it within the window. But that's usually why there's like we've skipped that.
Yeah, after allocating so great last year and I know that at least one station. Okay, cool.
Good to know. So CJM asked for almost 13,000. They get just over 10,000 according to how we averaged.
How does everybody feel about that? I felt like it was a strong leverage for a small request is why
I ranked them highly.
Like they were doing a lot with a little ask. Yeah. I also got a full recommend full funding recommendation
for me. Would you guys like to ask this one particular, but not particularly. No. Yes. I mean, we're
going to be business one. This is more than I allocated them there. So yeah. Okay.
Community Kitchen, they asked for $5,903. We gave them $5,592.67. This is an example of one that should
be fully funded, but... We're close. We're so close. And that this is, again, I feel... I would argue
to remove the asterisk from C-GEM, just even in reference to this other one. It shows, like,
I think to Cameron's point earlier, to Eddie's point earlier, like this is directly helping people in
need now. Community justice mediation is like, it's great. I get it sort of structural. It makes sense.
It's fantastic. Support it. But, but the purpose of our fund should prioritize people. It's like, this
is going directly to people to get food now.
My only pushback around that is that I feel like the fact that they're doing eviction, I feel like that
is about to be in full swing. That does feel like an emergency service right now. That's fair. But that
was my only like, normally no preventative, but in this case, I feel like their services are- Yeah,
that's fair. But I'm just saying, I don't disagree with what you're saying just in terms of
comparing those two types of emergencies, right? I agree. Would you give like a 0.5 more anyway? But
it's also not the hill we're going to die on by moving if we don't want it complete. Yeah. But anyway,
I'll comment for a later time because we'll see how many asterisks we have right at this time. We may
not have that many. That's true. I mean, yeah, we may go back to the asterisks and be like, okay, we've
got to wait this out. Yeah, exactly. Courage to change. So we're living. They asked for 4,500.
We have averaged at $1,603. Anybody want to talk about that? I had it at zero, and it's only because
they support love for me. They don't have a problem with monetization, which is funny. And it's less
than the $4,500, but it's better than the zero that I do. Did anyone else get cigarettes? I get Deere
as well, just because they were too. They were medium low on my Uber. Yeah, I had them.
medium low, but I gave them 50%. So, but I'm not gonna argue. I had the medium, but then gave them way
less than 50%. I mean, I gave them like 1,800. That's, I mean. I'm fine with giving them money. I mean,
I think that maybe, I mean, obviously I pushed and I give still less money. So there's money on the
table. Yeah. Now there's some people. Okay.
Well, and my only thing here is that like, this was so far beyond like an emergency service where it's
like pro-social activities for, I don't know. Yeah, I struggled at first with this one, but the more
I thought about it, especially in light of some of my other awards that I was looking at as emergency
services, I saw this as very,
powerful, actually, and what I ended up coming around to was that this was a very powerful preventive
measure that you could say is making them feel part of, you know, making people feel part of a community
is. Yeah, so I, I would argue to give them something. I'm fine with that at all. Okay. Anybody else
have a argument of or against? Okay.
I gave it more, but I'm happy to go down on that one too. Okay. All right. Thank you. Let's
go to developmental services. They asked for 2800. They got just over 2000. I had them at medium low
and I ended up giving them full funding. So this is again, going back to that philosophy, but because
it was so low, what I, I had initially given them something much lower. I think I gave them,
I don't remember what I initially had been thinking, but then I was like, well, I have money left over.
It's not much more to bulk them up to full. I'm fine with this amount. I'm fine with. I had also said
full funding, they ranked medium for me. And a lot of it was just because we don't see a lot of asks
for theft, specifically individuals with disabilities felt like another chronically underserved population
with a small ask.
and serve and then dealing with like, food and equipment. Yeah, as well. So interacting. Everybody good
with this? Exodus asked for 20,000. We've awarded them 14,287. Any thoughts on this one? We're like
their only source of funding outside of philanthropic.
I had awarded them higher. I had asterisk, okay. Yeah, I had them ranked highly. I gave them a little
bit of a miss. I gave 16 and it's like 14. Did you say 14,000 is what they were? 14,287 is our average.
Yeah, I had them at 17. Okay, so we'll come back to that one with the asterisk. Girls Inc.
Oh, that average allocation is pretty much what I gave them. It's a little more than what I gave them,
but it seems they ranked medium low for me. Anybody else have different feelings than this
average allocation? All right. So Habitat for Humanity, they requested 14,137. We gave them almost 11,000
in our averages.
Anybody? Seems like we're all kind of on the same page with that one, maybe. You know, I gave them about
what the average is. And I was confused, I think, because the number of people that they were serving
seemed to be extraordinarily high. I mean, maybe they were calculating because they were using their
buying equipment that they would be building homes for. I can't remember. It was something like that.
and I was like, hmm, that just doesn't seem reasonable to me that it would be. I made a note that said
incomplete information, so I just went by the history of the organization. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they
said the number of Louisville team residents served was 910. Yeah, it just didn't seem for the equipment
that they were asking for that it would manifest that number. So anyway, I'm happy with
essentially, you know, on par with what I. All right. Thank you. Hoosier Hills. They requested 40,000.
We can darn near close with our averages. 38,907. Should we asterisk this or feel good about leaving
it where it is? Happy to ask. And hurt. Okay.
just because we're so close if we have that leftover again, too. All right. Hotels for Hope. OK, so
it seems like we had some, from what I'm hearing, range of discrepancies here. They asked for $36,000.
They've averaged $21,000. I know some have said they didn't award any. So does anybody have an argument
they want to make here? So when Katie Norris was here, I mean, I think she presented well. And when
she hit on some of the points that were
are the heading call on my end. If they're fulfilling that, I can't verify that. I just know that there
is a group of people who are in a housing network, South Central Housing Network. We've invited them
to meetings repeatedly. They never come. There's always an excuse. And I have not worked with them directly.
And I think they're doing adequate work. They're getting some people in a safe,
somewhere safe for a night. But for my colleagues who work in this field, they have said that it's not
helping to hurt in working with hotels for the homeless. They're not happy working with this. This is
one where I had to adjust my bias a little bit, like looking just at
Looking at what's on paper, like as I share everything I said and I would actually personally, I feel
like I don't particularly feel like they need to be funded particularly at this amount.
why the amount matters so much. I think that, and I'm the one, I probably gave them very close to the
lot though, because they ranked highly on a rubric. I think my, the biggest take, the biggest knockdown
for me though, was that there wasn't really strong evidence of the sort of outcome per dollar. And it's
a really high dollar per person amount. So it's actually probably one of the higher dollars per person
served amounts on here. And, you know,
They didn't give any evidence that actually it helps or works. It's just like, they gave evidence that
it's nice and it's good and it's needed. And so that, that was a tension point for me in our,
in our rubric, but we don't really have a space to be like, yeah, but like, what are the outcomes that
you're buying here? Right. If that makes sense. So, so if, if, if we were, you know, so that, so that's
my, I mean, my rubric is my rubric, but, um, I wouldn't be upset with, with.
searing them out, to be honest with you. So I've got a question because I give them the highest I think
of anyone. So I thought this is kind of a critical emergency service if somebody is in need to get a
hotel for the night because of whatever reason. And I suppose there may be shelter space, but you know,
Could this save a life? Could this save some people from frostbite? Is this something that is, if we
didn't fund them, that it could result in human arm? I just don't know. You have a lot more experience.
Or Cameron, perhaps you ranked them, I think you gave them an 18. What's your view? I felt similarly about it.
I gave them half, they were medium low on my rubric. But I think a lot of it was because the cost for
the resident is so high. But I had the same kind of moment, especially which is kind of like, yeah,
the brutality to the weather on either end of the spectrum and like other like crisis situations.
I think, I mean. Does this group help people in need? Yes. I mean, it happens, right? They do.
didn't I feel comfortable going to from things that my colleagues have told me, but I didn't have like,
there's also wasn't the questions that we have. That's why I kept my daughter. I mean, she said, dude,
I'll hang on. It's like, yeah, you know, in my head, I'm like, you know, but I know all these other
problems. So I just, that's how I, that's why I zeroed them out. But I'd say just thinking about the
process and the,
When you call it the like the integrity of the process. The reason why we have a rewriting exactly for
this type of thing. And I think that
You and I frankly should have brought this up when we were inviting people to the next round to begin
with. Right. Like we could have made the argument then and said, no, you know what? I don't think that
we want to fund them at all. We'd rather put, which an argument I could make. I would rather that we
put 21,000 to give 21,000 a weekend. That's not a question though on the table. Right. And, and so,
and so I think that we have to.
injustice, you have to look this in the way of, we had a rubric, we had a process, they followed it,
we've all evaluated it independently, and we came up with this number, right? And myself included, like
I'm saying, I actually don't really think they should be funded, but the rubric says they should be.
No, that's fair. And they actually spoiled, like, for me. So I feel comfortable with still saying what
I'm saying, but I'm also fine with
giving them some money because they do help people. So is it long-term effective? Does it really move
the needle on anything? I don't know. My colleagues don't think so, but you know. Yeah. I'm fine with
people. Yeah, but it's a high, it's a large amount to be honest. It is a large amount. I would advocate
that they shouldn't get it.
Not to put you on the spot, but we're allocating 21. Yes, I mean, I'm fine. Would we go down to 50%?
Yeah. That way we're taking into consideration, you know. But that's arbitrary, right? Because I didn't
have a zero. This is reflective of me suggesting them. So, I mean, I think that it would be
I guess what I'm saying is that I've ranked them, I've given them 30. And now on the basis of probably
incomplete information, and now that I've received some information, I'd be willing to go lower. Cameron
makes a good hedging, well, maybe strike 50% as of. What would happen if you lowered, if you lift just like,
Say you lowered yours to 15, just as an example, based on the new information. What are you saying?
I don't quite follow the discussion that much. I mean, do they or do they not provide an emergency shelter
service to the community? My understanding is that they do. Do they have a bad representational problem?
I wasn't aware of that.
You know, it's an existing resource. It's in the community. So the cost of, uh, I mean, we have these
unused hotel rooms and then I, I, I, I, I'm happy to go down from what I gave them a lot, but I, I just
don't agree that they're not a legitimate important providing an important
service arguably an emergency service. Yeah. I don't think the argument is that they're not legitimate.
That's certainly not the argument. I think the argument is how they fit in with the broader ecosystem
of homeless response that we're trying to do in the city. It's like you can do good work, but it throw
off some other good work as well. It doesn't mean that what you're doing is not good. It just means
that it has externalities.
So is there evidence that this disrupts emergency shelter services that would be more in line with what
this comprehensive plan is overall for the city heading home? I mean, I don't know. Maybe there are
people that are just that's just the way they would turn. They would turn to a hotel. Pro this program
first, maybe.
But you'd agree that it's a temporary, it's a temporary program, right? Like the effect of getting a
hotel room doesn't get you closer to getting off the streets. It seems to me like we can kind of make
a similar argument towards a lot of stuff, like providing food, emergency food aid. It's like, well,
does that solve your long-term problem? No. Fair point. I mean, fair point. Yeah. I mean, that's,
and again, I don't,
I don't think that any of the, I think all the discussion we're having is useful. I don't think that
any of it is the question on the table, right? Like to be honest, because I, you know, I think to Andy's
point, it's like, we should deal with what's in front of us. And what's in front of us is they're doing
an emergency service. That's how we're evaluating them, right? Like I, so, I mean, I have no issue with
at least staying as it is. I was gonna say, I say for now we stay as it is. We have appetite on both sides.
So let's just leave it as it is for now. I recognize it's a stock gap. But I'd be happy to go half.
I'd be happy to go half on this. That's fine. If you both went half, it lowers it to 18 from 21. So
it's like we're pulling here for, you know what I'm saying? That's fine. I'm fine with that. We're all
in agreement with that because then we can be taking some of that. It's not a ton of funding, but we
can put it toward more emergency services. Good.
You're saying you'll change it? Yeah, change it in the average and then we'll have another one that's
like suggested or something like that. Oh, I had been changing some as we went along. Oh, that's fine.
All right. That's good. Okay. Indiana Recovery Alliance, they requested 22,000. We gave them just under
19,000 in our averages. This is super close to what I ended up
allocating them. Does anybody have any feelings about IRA? Cool. All right. So we will leave them as
is. Ivy Tech requested 10,000. We averaged seven and three quarters thousand. Anybody have any thoughts
about the Ivy Tech food pantry?
They requested $5,000. We ended up allotting $1,423 on average. They rated very low for me. It's hard
because scoring from the rubric, they don't match most of our criteria. And I feel like it feels slightly
hard because they think that they made a really compelling case.
I know. I feel like that feels like an equity issue because anybody, honestly, I thought they all make
a little case. Yeah. But like, I don't know if that is enough of a reason for us to fund them when they
don't match our priorities. High cost per, you know, sort of high cost per user, low amount of users
in town. And, and now like addressing like, it's like, it's not like they're trying to make for their
scholarship fund or something. You know, it's like they need free admission, but like,
And they said, we want to use this funding to get the sheets and all the things that like. The sort
of psychosocial support for children is, is long-term beneficial. But to your point, if we look at the
cost per resident is never. I think that's why many of us had them like low. I had a medium low, right?
I had a medium low. They weren't, they,
They still score higher than the people I gave zero to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So are we asterisking? Leave
it as it is. Leave it as it is. We're good with this. It was a hard one because for all the same reasons.
Yeah. Okay. We will leave them as is. All right. Monroe County court appointed. So CASA asked for 9,342,536.
or 326. I have big feelings on this one. I gave them zero. I mean, yeah, they measured on the rubric,
but I really don't think this is a good use of social service grant funding money to buy supplies for
training for whiteboards and a nice meeting table and computers. They can do their trainings. I feel
like this is very poor use of our money. And that is my argument. I put them on the table.
I mean, they ranked really low on my fruit break, because I also recommended zero. That's interesting.
I have ranked them very high. And yeah, I gave them near their full amount. And I just think that this
is just helping to, because they're all volunteers, right? Classic folks are all volunteers. And training
them adequately.
is important, but I could re-taste that. I'm not an expert in skills. But I think for me, though we
may not think about this through the lens of immediate emergency, I do think this is a community resilience function.
thus falls in the same category preventative falls in the categories how we avoid lots of very serious
emergencies of which one of these happening it's like has no I don't know what cost you put on you know
child things going wrong yeah but they can still train their volunteers but I think we could make that
same argument about any of these things you're like you know like and I don't think that we should
You know, I mean, I think that, I think here, again, that's a great example of how, of where, as much
as we're, we're being picky about the rubric, I think it's a good example where the rubric does well,
um, in the sense that, in the sense that I, I, I agree, you know, if we're comparing that to food or
something, but that's what we're trying not to do. Um, you know, say, say it's like, no, it does disqualify.
And, and if so, where, but on my rubric, they come out high.
just, I mean, based on cost, based on, you know, based on, based on number of residents served. So,
and I think Eddie felt the same. So, yeah. I feel the same. I mean, I realize, you know, just for supplies,
but it seems like they're always requesting,
community for volunteers. Right. Right. And the, the risk associated with, you know, an abusive situation
for children that need to navigate. The volunteer process is intensive to usually graduate. Yeah. Um,
and I'll admit, this is the one that I have a bias against. I interviewed a few years ago to be a trainer,
a little trainer, and they never even like,
acknowledged me afterwards and said things, but I think that's where it's born. Because they don't have
good enough knowledge. No, I think that they don't treat people right. That was what I was taking into
it. Well, that's how they treat somebody who interviewed for a job with them. Wow. That was my insight.
Exactly. And those are the type of things I think, and thank you for saying that aloud because that's
not a thing you have to say aloud, but thank you for saying that. But I think
I think that's part of the things that we want to guard against, right? It's like, we have to review
what's in front of us. And I think also as we think about next year, like these are the type of things
that we, again, like the way that Eddie and I should have surfaced our concerns about hotels for a whole,
you know, like I think we should have surfaced some of this earlier on. Is it actually like, here's
some things that- Here's something I know. Yeah, or also like, here's some things that like, I don't
think that we should be talking about giving people better equipment. Like, we just could have,
from the get-go, like push that off or have them defend that. And I don't think that at this stage,
us going retrospectively to like those types of decisions, I think it's fair. I think we have to stick
with, like how Rupert says this. All right. So we'll leave this as is. Yeah. Well, unless you want to
make a strong case. Yeah. I made as strong a case as I can. And I'm not going to fight it. It's not
one of our bigger asks anyway. And yeah, they, you know,
They do good work on the other end, so. Yeah, mine is zero is just because mine was given to somebody.
Okay. Monroe County Humane Association asked for 13,000. We gave 9,476. These guys, they scored medium
for me and I didn't give them money because I managed to give everybody money.
basically, but I will say, I feel like this is very adjacent to what we're supposed to be funding. Because
it's animals. Yeah. Well, you could then argue that the animals support people. Yeah. I mean, that's,
I mean, again, I get it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's, I think, I think I'll, I think I'll
find them just, I just,
So, you know, for the good of the order of saying, like, you know, maybe I give them money and put them
in the medium category, but, um, you know, did I give them the least amount of money? Um, so I'm just
saying it might be higher if somebody wants to. Yeah. I mean, I get you, most of you gave them quite
a bit more. I mean, I gave them 5,000 and you all gave them, you know, 10 and above.
No, I, I gave him seven for kind of the same. I feel the same way. Isaac does really on this one, but
so I tried to come around half, I guess half would have actually been 6,500. I said seven, but I think
I gave them over 11. To be clear, I'm saying, I'm saying this may be an asterisk that you might want
to give more to, but just cause I noticed the, to the point about where, where the, the.
Um, uh, spread matters here, uh, I'm skewing it a bit more sort of dramatically. So, so if you guys
wanted to go up, we have extra money. So just, uh, just a note to there that our averages are the, the,
the space between our averages is, is, is mess. Like I am, I am the outlier. Um, cause even Andy was
a bit higher, so closer to everybody's average, I'm like way off. So, so just, if you want to asterisk
that and come back, cause we might have some extra money. So.
It's close to my allocation. And I just, I was thinking again, you know, the psychological distress
of, you know, not having enough for your pet and the support that it offers to people or anyone for
that matter. But, you know, if they were to be deprived of it. Anyway. Yeah. I feel, I feel good about
where it's at.
Mother Hubbard's covered 13,182. We averaged 12,730. So we're close. We're darn close on this one. Anybody
have any strong feelings one way or another? It's close to mine. I'm like that. I'm fine with that,
right? Even if I wanted to give a little bit more. Yeah, I'm good. It's a lot of times, like I'm only
piping up one.
Someone's getting zero. All right. My sister's closet. So this was one of our biggest asks. 50,000.
We've averaged 27,633. I had them medium. I had a lot of them 20,000.
Doing a bit more. I don't know. Did they answer an email for us or did they come in? They came in. I
didn't watch that far. Or were they early? I don't know. I didn't watch it. They were the last. Yeah.
So what did you learn from it? Cause I had them, like I had them hide, but then I tempered it based
on, and I should have noted this in my notes. I tempered it based on, I was like, Oh wait, there's something
that I'm not clear about on their thing. So I should have actually watched their,
but it still ended up high. So I was like, okay with it. But like, there's a side of me which would
have funded them even higher than where I did, if that makes sense. I'm much higher than the,
I'm at 40. Yeah. And it's built like electrical and building and to keep that place safe. I mean, they've
been an institution where they've been at for a long time. And I may be wrong, but partially the reason
why they're moving is because like you mentioned,
So they're being forced to move into a new location and they're being lipstick on a pig. And it was
like, oh, we love the visibility and whatever. I looked up the building and it was like a giant garage.
I think that they will have a higher visibility. But yeah, I think that they're trying to make the best
out of a situation that they can't control. And I want their building to be the same.
Yeah, exactly. Air conditioning and electrical work, which is expensive. But I did mention to them that,
you know, you may qualify for seal money and some other stuff. So yeah, it's but I find it a little
bit less. I wouldn't be able to do more. So I'm just saying. Yeah. Well, why don't we put an asterisk
by them? We'll see what we have left over at the end again for playing with. Yeah, I might bump them
up. I did the same amount as you actually for similar reasons that they were being bumped.
out of their existing. I think 40 is fair. I mean, it's just, because once again, you know, we've changed
the calculus on some of the stuff, but I try to give money to everyone that support us here except for
the two outliers that I mentioned already, so. You know, I also think to your point, there's a little
bit of harm reduction like requirement that we, I think we bear as a city for if, you know, I mean,
it's like, it's actually,
I don't know. I don't know if I should say this out loud, but, you know, we spent $15 million on that
thing and didn't think like, should we include in that $50 million like fees for things that are getting
displaced, right? Like I, like, yeah, compensation, my gosh. Like, and I kind of, I don't know. I just,
I don't know. There was nothing in it. Yeah. I mean, is it, yeah. And it's, I don't know. It's, it's, um,
I mean, something that became more evident. I don't know if it was just wasn't on that, like in the,
you know, in the way that we were discussing it and the way that council particularly works, it's,
you know, hard to bring in new things when, you know, based on what we discussed, what's in front of
us, right? But like, anyway, so, so just, uh, just a thought there that as we come back to it. Okay.
Good to keep in mind. Good points. New hope asked for 40,000. We have averaged just over 35,000 for them.
Nobody got a bone to pick with that. They didn't invite me to their ball, so I took $3,000 off.
All right. Good job. No, I'm joking. That is a joke. For the record, that was a joke. They were very
high, very high for me. Yeah. The free admission means that, you know, I didn't make it to this year's
event. I had something else going on, and I felt bad. I was like, oh, I don't have to try and check
this shit. Yeah. Awesome.
Okay, so they're in good shape, or I mean, we're in good shape with what we feel about that. All right,
New Leaf New Life, they requested 11,142. We've allocated just a little under 9,000. This was another
one that I had an issue with. I did fund them a bit, but I felt with their partnership application,
the courage to change, I felt like it was a lot of,
double difference, the same application, asking for the same stuff. It didn't seem terribly different
to me. So I funded them much lower on this one. I didn't talk about that at all. How do they all work
together, Eddie? I don't work pre-entry, so I don't know.
That's not my area of expertise. I would like to help with reentry. I support it. I just wish that it
hadn't felt like such a double dip to me. I don't know. I'm thinking about it now as you're saying it,
but it's like a continuum of care work. We wouldn't talk about beacon and new hope for families as double
dipping. No, but new leaf, new life,
applied for this and then they applied for another one in a partnership. Oh, you're talking about business
partnership. Yes. I see. I see. Both asks in both of those applications were essentially the same or
for the same thing, not same amounts. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. I don't have a problem with funding
because I strongly support re-entry, but at the same time, I feel like this goes against our rules.
Well, the average of both.
uh, right now would be essentially their ask. Yeah. So it makes it a move point. Yeah. So we just leave
each of these averages. Well, here's a, here's a thing though. There's a, there's a huge, I'm sorry.
I wasn't tracking before. Um, so we, we just talked about Christian second, but we, um, uh,
there's a huge, uh, administrative burden to get, get an award. And so there's an argument to say,
don't award the second one and fully award the first one. So don't award the partnership one at all?
Just a thought. There's a whole extra set of paperwork, and it's a whole extra set of meeting, and it's
a whole extra set of time, and you know. How did we award Courage to Change? Didn't we just talk about
them earlier? Yeah, I'm just trying to remember what we settled on.
They were awarded much lower than we asked, that's right. Because that ask was very different from what
the partnership ask was. Right. And so, I mean, another thought then is that you could, because this
didn't come up when we, you know, you could, we could go, you know, so you could zero out this one and
then give more money to Kurtz to change directly.
something or something, some approach like that. But we're supposed to reward collaborations. Like that's...
Did we say that though? There's no word, where have we said that? I mean, it allows you to apply for
a second and a half. Well, right, but like, but like we haven't included it in any of our documents
that say like, we wish you would all, you know, work together or something like that. All right.
I can go, I mean, the amounts are small enough, I could go,
I mean, I'm not going to fight it. I just wanted to point out when you said we encourage them to do
it and also specifically say they are allowed to submit both. We encourage the committee encourages
social service agencies to collaborate just on practice on practice though. That's clearly not how people
are hearing this because we get so few collaborative ones.
by considering the amount of collaboration that's happening between these organizations and the amount
of them. Both of our conversations about collaborative projects, we're often down on them if they've
had another application. Yeah, no, you're right. So I wouldn't want to, I think it's a risk for them
to submit a collaborative project. Yeah, no, fair point. Yeah, no, my only problem with this collaborative
project is that they're asking for money for the same thing. This sounds redundant, yeah. It is, yeah.
It feels like we're asking for this,
again. So, but like I said, I'm, I'm not going to fight whatever you guys want to do with this. Like
I don't just keep it as it is then. Okay. And same thing with the, uh, partnership application, the
courage to change and release new life. Yeah. Okay. Great. Pantry two seven nine. They got almost a
Full funding, they asked for 12,000. We gave them just a little over 11,000. Everybody good there? We
like food. We like food. Pathways, Inc. Another one of our big asks, 50,000. We've averaged 43,134.
Everybody good with that? All right. Cool.
asked for $5,500. We've awarded them with our averages $1,581. You feeling good there? Yeah. Okay. Planned
Parenthood requested $7,500. We've allocated with our averages $6,236.
I kind of want to push for full funding for this one simply because when we've heard their representative
talk to us in the past, they've really emphasized how this is their only source of funding despite being
a national organization and multiple states being represented here. This is like one of their only sources
of funding for providing those services to our local population. And they don't really get it from anywhere
else. Well, I was a little confused because, I mean, I support the organization, but
but is it going to be applied locally? Yes, it's just going to go to around here. They said that. I
don't think you were on this a couple of years ago when they spoke, but that question came up. We were
concerned. Well, I'll put an asterisk there and we can revisit it. I don't know where that accent came
from. I was in one-on-one with my boss today. Some sentence came out like,
real New York, New Jersey. And I was like, whoa, who am I? Silver Linings actually withdrew
their application. So that gives us another. Okay, super. So then our total will look very different.
Yeah. So now we have more money back in the kitty. Sober Mesa, they requested 10,000
We're giving them just a little over 50% according to our average 5,193. I'm okay with that. How does
everybody else feel? Dave does not feel good about that. I don't think it's a huge ask. I actually expected
more applicants for growers and this is really, I think the only one.
globally growing food. So I just had a couple of notes. So it provides food for low income. The farm
I visited many times, the Daisy Garden University Farm. And it's been worked really well by the university,
by James Farmer. So the soils are optimal. So I would expect a very good amount of food, large yield.
The food is fresh vegetables. When I used to farm, you know, taking excess crops to Hoosier Hill's food
bank, that was oftentimes what they didn't have was fresh vegetables, which, you know, people are lacking
in diet. And then I think it's important to build skills so that, you know, people can learn to grow
their own food. I think that's a valuable
skill that could be learned and self-sufficiency. So I'd be willing to change mine, because tell me
something, because just based on what you're describing, I might have misunderstood how their model
works. Do they do any direct services or are they mostly supplying to pantries, et cetera? Are they
teaching folks? They're teaching folks on site. They're highly skilled farmers. They own permaculture.
You know, I would expect they would do very well. I was surprised they didn't ask for more. But specifically
the Access for Low Income Families, the Food Access for Low Income Families project. Yes. Is that them
just giving food to Patrick 279, Hoosier Hills, and Monroe County Kitchen? And the participants. My
impression was the people who actually come and learn the skills on site. OK.
That was the only thing that knocked them down for me, which is, which, which was like, but you know,
as I'm thinking about it as like, because, but also because we have that question of this is director
indirect. And then, so then by virtue of that, it ends up being indirect. Um, so I think this would
have been high if not for that and really low cost, a lot of people affected, um,
you know, small organization, new organization, it's food. So I would have given it fudge points. So
I think revisiting, if I were to change the indirect to direct and revisiting it with this, then I would
have probably close to fully funded them as well. I think that this is like a really interesting prototype.
But they're asking us, but there's the organization and there's what they're asking us to fund. What
they asked us to fund is the giving food to the pantry's part, unless I misunderstood it. Yes. That's
where we have to be in the rubric when we say, is that still direct? Is that direct or indirect is the
question. I think that sometimes
or a lot of these becomes this part of the subjectiveness of the rubric. Yeah. Is it, so tell me like,
I said, I said, yes, indirect. You said indirect. What did you say, Eddie? It was indirect for me, but
if I made it direct, then it, I mean, it bumps them up to where silver linings was. That's my point.
So, so, so, so let's, so let's like,
Let's agree on whether this is direct or indirect, because if we said the Pantry 279 funding is direct,
then so should this be direct, right? Is there a fair argument for that? I don't have a problem defining
it that way. That's fine with me. My score is different inside of my rubric for some reason, because
I did recommend them, which would change their average. I recommended 10,000.
I mean, I had given them 75%. And because they were a low score for me, I didn't give anything,
but I mean, if this changes my rubric, then I would at least give 50%. I mean, we've taken some money
back from some places and I do want to help feed people. And this is one of those things where,
you know, teaching people, not just feeding them, they're teaching people how to feed themselves. So.
Well, if I change mine to direct as well, and when you change yours, Cameron. Yeah, that just helped
out quite a bit. But you didn't fund them at all? I didn't fund them at all, because they scored low
for me. But if you change it to direct, then it's at least 50% of what they're asked is.
I actually said indirect to him, but I wish. Based on the conversation we're having before, I mean,
this is where, again, a rubric is helpful because it helped us protect ourselves from a bunch of biases
we had. But I'm swayed that, you know. So my thinking
I'm familiar with these guys just in so far as I remember when they came to town and set up and had
been working and they're really dedicated to teaching people to grow food. So they know they can do
it. And to me, the potential of this is huge. Like if you get this prototype working with a lot of food
production, it could really help the food banks plus teach people how to
and maybe it could be replicated elsewhere. So I just saw it as kind of a good experiment, I suppose,
in a way. But I mean, we're getting close to what they want. But I would argue for the full funding.
But if people want to knock it down, I mean, I don't know. Well, it's disastrous, this one as well.
But at least we fixed some of it. I mean, that's helpful.
I think it's worth I think it's worth thinking about. We're going to we're pretty much in agreement
that like Hoosier Hills Food Bank Community Kitchen that are actually providing the food. That's we
say that's direct emergency services. And but we wouldn't say that providing those places the food to
them. Right. Right. Right. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm comfortable with it. I mean, yeah.
Especially if there was a collaborative real relationship. I mean, when we had our when I was a farmer,
we allocated space for Hoosier Hills to grow food there. Right. So they had volunteers come out and
actually grow food. And that could be part of the formula in the future to anyway. OK, super. All right.
Well, thank you, everybody. That was good. So we'll come back to that one, too. Stone Belt requested
five thousand.
Oh, what happened? It had been at 7,000. My numbers were wrong. I was like, how did we allocate them
more money? Okay. So now we're down to 3,196 for Stone Belt. I gave them full funding. So, so though
I have them high, but the thing that if we're looking at a rubric, they're high because they got the
funding points from me at a rubric though.
They have, they're a large institution. True. And with a lot of, with capacity for staffing. So they
couldn't be very high. Yeah. I mean, I'm fine with, with this number that we're at. I don't have strong
feelings to change this. I was just telling you what I had done. Anybody have strong feelings? I mean,
It ranked low on my rubric. And also they make the same mask every year, which I feel like is something
that's hard to be actively discourage that. But when parents do the same thing, but I just feel like
it's, I don't know. Yeah. I'm going to step out for this mental discussion. Oh, okay. All right. So
we'll leave Stone Belt as it is. We'll wait until Nidhi's out of earshot.
So Summit Hill Community Development Corporation, they requested $24,980. We have averaged $16,930.
Wait, we've not. This is wrong. This is wrong. This should remove Eddie's zero. Oh, right. So Eddie's
zero is Q, what is that, Q36? Is that right? Yes. And that should be divided by five.
There you go. Ah, much better number. Okay. Wow. Yep. Everybody feel good about that one? Yep. Uh,
it's 20, right? Yeah, that's right. The only thing I don't feel good about is the fact that this isn't
all or nothing. Like this was the vehicle where it feels like we're going to fund the vehicle, fund
the vehicle. And I thought she had said in the, when she was here that there would be okay with partial
funding. Did we not ask?
that and she was like, yeah. Well, the application, they said pump up. Oh, did they? Yeah. I think she
just said that she thought that she could get wiggle room potentially in the rooms or in the buy.
But I mean, I would advocate for saying, here's what we've awarded you do with it, what you can, and
I hope you can use it.
Maybe let's, maybe let's asterisk them and come back. Cause it's like, we still have money, right? I
think importantly and, but your, but to your point, adding 4,000 here, if we give them full, then we
don't have money. Right. Right. Yeah. Cause well, and with all these asterisks we're putting up here,
we've actually used up more money. Right. There's only, there's only one asterisk where we, where we
were willing to reduce so far. Yeah. I mean, we can put an asterisk here and revisit.
Either that or Cameron, would you say that we then don't award at all or. No, how would you go? Okay.
So you're advocating for all. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, yeah, I feel like we should go full, but that's
just. Okay. I mean, we have a high, very high, very high. Um, uh, and the all gave, you know, 21 K.
So, uh, I wouldn't object if you made it higher, but.
But I'm also not going to advocate for. Yeah, I had given lower. I had given. This is like where then
it comes, it goes back to what Eddie was saying before, where like, just big brothers, big sisters.
And then I'm like, well, now it's impacting something. I feel like actually. All right. So, well, this
is going to be tricky coming back to it with Eddie.
So we're going to have to go through the other. You can go out again. I know. That's going to be a little
trickier, but we'll have to save this one for last and then ask him to step back. Okay. I'll go tell
him he can come back in. I'm going to talk to him. I hate it when these chairs do that. Okay. Yeah.
Like they, they, they give you the support and then this suddenly they don't. No more support for you.
I was the old chairs.
I like these chairs so much. I like how they lean back, I am. I come to myself in my office chair trying
to lean back like this all the time. I'm like, oh, he doesn't lean back more than I do. This is unfortunate
because I'm so tall. I hate sitting like this at a council meeting. It makes it look like I'm lounging.
You know, I'm like, I just need, I don't want to sit like this for six hours. That's why sometimes I
stand in the middle of the meeting and just lean on my chair. I'm like, I have to stretch my back and
my legs. Okay. Tandem requested 50,000. We gave them 35 or 16 in our average. Um, any thoughts on this?
I mean, they were the only one I fully funded. I was the lowest.
because it seemed to me that if it was anyone could participate, right? It wasn't just for low income.
So is that my- But that was one of the perks is that it was like mixed income, mixed resources, so that
way they were able to support each other financially, but also- And then they don't have the- With like
child care. Yeah. Kind of like the housing policy wise, like mixed income.
Yeah, I see that. The space is for everybody. Yeah, but any of the supplies, you know, they're not giving
it to people. That's right. Like, I mean, like for like, for example, like my, my kids go to lay time
at tandem. We don't take free diapers from tandem. We give a lot of things. Oh, you have personal experience.
Yeah. I mean, like, okay. But like, but I'm just saying like the, you know, there's,
that the mixed income part of this, but I'll say why I funded them highly is because I know that they're
just under, this is sort of like a make or break time for them. And so my thinking is that this is a
key resource for the community. What they've written here passes the rubric well for me. I mean, many
of us had them highly ranked, but I just, the reason I just sort of gave them the most sludge points
for anybody is just like,
It's like emergency for the organization that if the organization left would create a lot of problems
for a lot of, you know, very similar reasons why we, why the Planned Parenthood, why some of these others,
like, it's, it's a critical need for a lot of people in the community and it could be for more.
And so I, I'm just sort of feeling like, you know, you give them the funding to keep them stabilized
and hopes that they can, you know, leverage that too.
they were gonna shut, right, so. It's an important service, there's no doubt, and you've changed my
mind that it should, that I lowballed it, would it be considered an emergency service? That's the only
part that I, that's where I fudged. I mean, I would say that the, you know. That you gave them full
funding. Correct, because, I mean, what I think they, what I think they're doing is an urgent social need.
You know, and I, and I raised a similar question earlier. It's like, okay, yeah, but is this like emergency
and like the, you know, life or death sense? I think probably not. I mean, there, but it's an emergency
for the organization. That's where I fudged. Do you want to argue as part of in how women go into deep
depression? Yeah. Actually, I mean, it could be life and death and the type of program is an emergency
program for a lot of folks that can't afford diapers. I, they, they sport medium for me, but I,
My agency is a partner entity in them. I've funded stuff through SCAP for them. I'm a big believer in
them. I would give more money than the 30,000 that I allocated, but it's, you know, I definitely,
I mean, I'm an advocate for them. I don't know my name. I don't know much about that. What did you say?
Julie called me out and was like, you work for nonprofit. You know how it is.
I'm happy where we are, though. Yeah, I've funded a lot higher, but I'm okay with this. Well, it's 35
because of my low number. I'm happy to go up. We can answer it, but at the end of the day, we're talking
about $4,000 left. I think there was only one organization. I mean, the only
Yeah, there's nobody else that we've gone through that we're like, oh, we could lower this. Yeah, but
that was like, that's the only one that we mentioned. Right. And so, and it's, I mean, I'd be happy
to go back to how much did we give them? Oh, okay. So, okay. I'm happy where it is. Yeah. So, I mean,
but, I mean, but if we wanted to, if you wanted to reduce,
But I think Dave was pretty clear that he didn't want to reduce that dramatically for big brother,
big sister. So that was the only one that we said we could reduce. Every other asterisk is a go on,
right? So I'm just like, I think we have to, you know. All right. Yeah, I mean, I'm OK with leaving
this. I'd like to give them more, but I don't think we can, unfortunately, find that money.
So, I say, we leave as is Hendrix doing business as Susie's place child. They asked for forty eight
thousand three or four. We average thirty seven thousand one ninety six. Did anybody have any big thoughts
on this one? Okay, so I feel like we could get them. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. Wheeler Mission, we came pretty close with them. They asked for 6,460. Our average was
6,113. Everybody good there? And then Wonder Lab, that one was quite a big discrepancy from what they
asked for. We funded, or they asked for 14,115. We funded 4,488 in our averages.
Um, I feel like this is kind of a story every year. You know, I, I talked to Andy about this afterward
and he, I see he gave them zero. Um, Cameron, you gave them zero. I gave them seven and, you know, reflecting
on this, I'm, I'm thinking I gave too much because I just don't see it as a, you know,
A real hyper, I mean, it's a wonderful thing, obviously, it's wonderful. But it's, yeah, Andy, you made
the case. Yeah. Well, and I'd say let's take some of it and give it to Tandem. You know, I'm just not
sure that I think I made this is one of the ones where I actually made a comment. What was my comment?
It was about, you know,
their marginal cost for an additional visitor, their operating expenses seem unaffected. If they want
to let low-income people or special needs people, whatever folks in, then I just don't see the connection
between it being an additional significant additional cost to them. It's not emergency, clearly. I'd
feel better about
taken some of this of what our average here and given it to tandem. Bye. I fought for the MAR last year,
but when I was reflecting this year, just where they ended up with my rubric again, I believe in it.
I believe in what they're doing, but it didn't fall under the emergency services. I think last year
was still a self-survise. I will say they're one of my lowest ranked for just
because of the size of their ads, I ended up giving them 5,000. I'll say two things. One is that I upped
Sober Mesa based on our conversation, which means that I now over-allocated funding. So I have to cut
4,300 roughly, and I probably would cut it from Wonder Lab, or my other three was Courage to Change.
If I cut this down to 1,800, sorry, 1,700, it's actually not 1,600. You can zero mine out actually as,
I mean, I don't know if you want to do that because you want to give me something, but I'm convinced
that, you know, of Andy's argument actually. Yeah.
But Eddie, you gave them seven, so I don't want to undercut. Actually, Courtney, you did. I gave them
seven, but I did feel strongly about it. In fact, I didn't really believe in the seven. I was just kind
of following my general rule that I had been set in 50%. But I remember in past years, I didn't want
to fund this.
I didn't think it was a good use of Jack Hopkins money. And I didn't feel good about funding him this
year, but I did because I know we, we have before him. So, so after maybe this zeroed them out, right.
They've, yeah. So if we do that, oh, you would too. Okay. Well, now it's going after going through what
we have and you know, some, some of the stuff wasn't funded as robustly.
that I wanted or whatever. And then that doesn't have to change, but there are other organizations that
need this money more. So I'm fine with zeroing right now. Yeah. I mean, it's always the comparison,
right? Yeah. Postpartum support and food and things like that. I mean, I'm sure I'd like to support
them, but... So everybody's wanting to zero out? I'm fine with zeroing. I'm okay with doing the zero.
Cameron, are you okay with that?
But that means like last year, one organization we don't fund. No, we also didn't fund in other words.
Yeah. Yeah. I'm just sad, but I will, I will. One thing for us to be mindful of our bias here a little
bit, because last year too,
It has just so happened that the last organization was the one, was the one we did a fund. And I just
think that we may have a cognitive leaning towards, you know, like we didn't need to zero them out.
We could have given them the average like we did for everybody else. And then, and then still had money
left over. And then, you know, so, so I'm just, I just want to make sure that we're, that we're not
feeling like we need to, you know, like you get, you know what I'm saying? Like I do. I do. I, I don't.
I don't think I feel that way, you know. Okay. But then, but then to be clear, we all should, we should
go back and check our rubrics. So like mine, like I said, mine was the lowest on my rubric. So, so it's
consistent with me saying they shouldn't get anybody, but some of you have them higher on your rubrics.
So is there something like, well, I changed my rubric for sobering mess up because of the conversation,
right? Which changed their score, which justifies the allocation, but I don't think it's fair for us
to say, actually they're high, but we're not going to fund them. So this was one of my lowest,
it was 6.5. So why don't we go through the list and see the asterisks and we find organizations that
I don't serve a similar population, Boys and Girls Club,
big brothers and big sisters. And if we want to tease out some money from those organizations that serve
that population, we could, but I'm fine with, I mean, yeah, it's a shame that they're the last on the
list and it could be perceived that way. At the same time, it's just after hearing some of the other
stuff, I think that there's more important things to fund
I'm just making sure that you don't go through and edit your rubrics if necessary, because they only
got a three of my rubric. I see some of you with sevens. I think it's important for us to be able to
say, some things just don't meet the threshold for
the purpose of the fun. And I agree. I agree. But I think that I do think we have to be mindful of,
you know, the same way that, you know, we were talking about hotels for hope. Like, I think that some
of these things we maybe should bring up before we take them to the second round, you know, and and
I just I'm not saying that so much for this year as much as, you know, you know, I've been saying this
all night. Like, I just think
You know, the integrity of a process matters matters. So, because later people go, Hey, why didn't you
fund it? And we go, well, we, you know, but, but if we talk through it and we're saying, look, actually,
this as we did, I think we just, we had the conversation. It's clearly in the record, but, you know,
if I, if I was not funded, I was able to show me your rubrics. And then I see everybody gave me a seven and then.
Yeah, but the rubric is the only indicator it's just used in conjunction with. Exactly. Exactly. So,
so I'm just, I'm just saying it for the good of the, you know, I have to suspend judgment until I get
full information. And that's what I get from people informing me, which has a dramatic effect in terms
of changing your real time. So that way that what's on.
is reflected above where you said. It's just kind of a first approximation that we're making. Yeah,
that's fair. I mean, that's fair. So when people say, well, why not? Because you can score it. Well,
and then that's why we have our next meeting in, what, two weeks to finalize this. If you have time
to walk away and think about it. That's fine. And go, you know what? I did say I would go along with
the zero, but now I don't necessarily. So this isn't our final answer for tonight. But it's close. Yeah.
So now we've made our way through all of them, and we are left with about 10,750-ish left. On the ones
that we start, I'm going to write our delta, just so you can get a sense based on what they asked for. OK.
why do that? I'm sorry, that's stupid. So with the discrepancy? We can just see that. I don't have an
outbreak. But I mean, that's a good point for number seven there for big brothers, big sisters. That's
the one that we were saying we could look at more. That was the one that we did talk about saying, hey,
maybe we'll do less. Now, how are we thinking about making
these adjustments? What is our approach, our philosophy for reconsidering? So for example, this is the
only one that we're looking at possibly lowering. Are we looking at then, hey, look at these other ones
that we said, you know, look at how many asterisks we have. We might want to, how strongly do we feel
about giving them more money? How much more money?
Okay. Well, what if we went to the ones that we by and large had a, had a very high ranking for, like
where at least, you know, three people had them as very high, something like that. And then like, we
start with those and see if we can get them closer to their, cause like some of these are asterisks
because it was just like so close to what they asked for. Right. So like, you know, it was community,
community kitchen were worth $400 off.
and it's very high for many of us. See what I'm saying? Yep. I'm looking at my rubric so I can see.
Or I could also, if we just did something simple in terms of points, let me do something here. Okay.
So give me just a second to do it. Okay. So on our average score,
doesn't matter, but the average score. We can sum the scores. I was just going to say, I was thinking
if we could do the high, like, you know, give low one, low medium a two, like just, just go up like
that. But then some of us didn't put it. That's why, that's why we couldn't think about this. Okay, sorry.
We'll just do the spot check, I guess then. So we're on. So like, starting at the first asterisk, which
just happens to be the brothers, the sisters. I don't want you guys to think I'm just going for the
sisters. But so you can just look at that one. Four out of five of us ranked them as many young. And
so then it's like, and then
I mean, that's the one that was somewhat skewed, right? Like you have, and again, I mean, I'd rank them
as a three and use that same argument to zero out Wonderlab. You have them as a 7.5, but still as medium.
You have them as a medium and zeroed out. You have them as an eight, but as a medium. Then it was, Dave
has them as a very high.
You know, I, you know, when I take a 30,000 foot view, I, I'm, I'm most interested in food shelter.
Yeah. Uh, you know, people, psychological support recovery, vulnerable children, um, things like that.
Um, so, you know, if I were to divvy up the, what is it? 10,000 left. Yeah. I would just sort of.
look at it in that regard, I would be willing to go lower in terms of, where were we? 14. 14, yeah.
So I would be willing to go, I'm comfortable with 14, but I would go lower than my very high 20,000.
if we want to allocate it to something that is really of need. What should we look at the others first
and come back to this to see what? Because it seems fairly clear. Like, start a community kitchen is
easy. Like, we should fund them completely. I'm cool with that. Right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. I just, can I change
it? Should I change it in the average ways? I don't know. Let's actually put it in the recommended space
so we don't mess up what we're doing. OK.
And that's fine. Excuse me. I think Exodus was another one that was a very high sort of power high across
the board. Yeah, it was high. Or like $6,000 off there. Well, actually, I read a little more, but.
I mean, I funded them at $17,000.
And do you want to say, see what happens if we fund them full and where we go from there? Or maybe let's
find the other easy ones. I mean, so that's a big, that's a big difference. The food bank is another
one is this 1,100 off. Yeah. Food is a good, um, can you make the column AC, uh, money column? And then we had,
My sister's closet was a big difference. So that one, I don't think had super high. I mean, I rented
it a medium. I don't know.
Planned Parenthood was another one that was close. That's the next one. That would be nice to bump them
up a little bit at least.
What are we thinking for Sober Mesa? There's a difference of 2000. Eddie, you had zero. What would you?
Yeah. So according to how I score things, with the new score, I now have that $6,000 for them. So if
that's reported in the cumulative,
You don't mind if I, if I just sort of these by the stars real quick. Sure. So what, you know, that
way it's 6,000 is way more than the zero that initially. There you go. So now you're starting to talk.
Oh, no. What happened? Oh, oh, nevermind. I was looking at.
Now the recommend column has some numbers in it, where it's not starred, but I see what's happening.
There you go, yeah. Okay, so with the changes we've done so far, with the stars, just three stars, we
are now at, oh, we don't have an addition, thank you.
Also, you didn't make the changes. You wrote them in the block, didn't you? In the recommend.
There we are. Okay. Oh, right. But that's why it's so much lower. I was like, how much do we have left?
So they're like counting to zeros when they're not at all.
If, um, so did you want to make sober Mesa full? No, well, I mean, I think I was suggesting six thousand
would change. If you were looking at sober Mesa, we're at seven, seven eight. Uh, yeah. That's another
food one. I would, I would say, um, I'm fine with full of funding or just kind of meeting them at night.
Nine? Yeah, nine. To see what else is left for one of the other folks. Yeah. Eddie, can you close your
ears for a second, please? OK. Can we put in, see what happens when we fully fund Summit Hill to try
to make up the damage? 24-4 or what was it? 980. Yeah, 24-980. OK, Eddie. OK. You can come back.
I think if, as long as I don't deliver, it's fine by chair. I think it would make sense to fully fund
cancer support. What was that? Three, six, five, zero. It's not much. Yeah. C jam was also not far off. Right.
going to overshoot a bit, probably to Cam's pleasure. I think we should do at least 18 if we can. But
I'm just putting in the breath. I mean, I'm sympathetic to
Or does tandem not start? We did not start tandem. Okay. Well, we could have started that. Well, I thought
it was one that we might consider bumping up a little bit. I think to be fair, I think that, I mean,
what we're offering now is good. I mean, if we had a lot more money insurance on them fully, but if
we're looking at organizations,
Yeah. I mean, if we can find another 5,000 for tandem, I'd be happy, but I don't know that. My sister's
closet is way off their ass, right? And, and this is just looking through this. We have lots of very
highs and a high. So we have a lot of say lots. Okay. I was high. Um, you were medium. Uh, Cam was medium.
Eddie was very high. Uh, um,
Uh, the date was very high and just by the allocation, it seems like Andy was higher, very high. So,
and then we, we end up. Like not even half, like, do we want to, I mean, just giving them just a little
over half. I mean, should we see what happens if we go up to 30 for starters? And then we're just missing Exodus.
Well, and Big Brother's Big Sister. Correct, but that would be the last one, because we have a query
on the floor, right? Yes. Somebody suggested 18 for Exodus. I did. Just short of their 20. I said to
see what we can do with 18, where that gets us. But then Exodus over Tandem, Exodus over, we've now
funded all the food lines fully, right? Yeah, I think the only other one that we had in mind was,
Hopefully maybe tandem. So now we're looking at in conjunction with each other, right? Exodus, tandem,
and my sister's closet. Those were all like tentatives. Yep. Okay. So thoughts. Let me put it in. Let
me just put it in. So you can see people start by that. And then. So that gets us to,
$4.93, and that's without Big Brothers Big Sisters. So if we keep that at $18, then you're talking about
funding Big Brothers Big Sisters with what's remaining, which is $6,700 or something like that. Or actually
just right at $7,000. And that gets us to $60.78 still.
So that's pretty dang good for our overall target. Now. Leaving tandem, my sister's closet in Exodus
where they are. Exodus is at 18. So I could go 14 back to where we were. I mean, call it 15.
that leaves us with 3000 more. I was five and 18 then. Yeah, I was too. Okay. I mean, I really like
the work of my sons at the NTNM, but they did both mention that they have potential new fundraising
and new development stuff that they're doing, where Exodus right now, they're basically fighting the
entire world.
Yeah, exactly. We don't know where to get funding from. So I'm cool with where we're at. And I think
both the directors at Westchester Plaza in Canada will figure things out and try to find other ways
to raise that money that they can get from us. All right. Can I be annoying and ask us to take $60 off
of Habitat for Humanity? We're in. Yes.
That's it. And the change. Yeah. That's the only instance. One less box of the average or whatever.
Okay. There we go. Feel better? Yes. Okay. We can give somebody $6 if you'd like. Should we take $1.17
off Grow Zinc?
All right. I'm just joking. Let's not get into that. We don't have to. All right. So we have a working
grant allocation tentatively. Considering that we had to rebuild this sheet in the meeting, that was
very efficient. You guys.
I'm not sure that we that we recommend. Well, we don't actually officially make this, but I just motion
that we end this meeting with this recommendation on this one. I am not writing that much. Well, now
I have to do we need to we need to officially decide what happens when Catherine sends her
So Catherine did send it. I can't access it. I think there needs to be... She wrote it and said, I'll
send it tonight or something. She did. Oh, she sent it? Yeah, she sent it. But I can't personally access
it. Maybe someone else in this room can. I mean, give it a try. We can just maybe look at it and then
I'll... Yeah, that's cool. That's what I've been thinking.
in our next meeting incorporated. I think the useful thing is you put it in there and then you see if
the numbers, so we have stars by the ones where we changed, where we know that we changed, right? And
so then if her number, like so for example, if her number made big brothers, big sisters jump to 30,000
or something, then we'd be like, ah, okay, more debate needs to happen.
Right? Is that right? Yeah, that's good. Just making sure I'm thinking foods correctly. I get it. Basically,
if she does a genius with our allocation. Right. Yeah. Like, the athletes are genius. And particularly
the ones where there are stars. Yeah. Yeah, I can access her sheet. I can see it. Right. Yeah. I mean,
she comes in with no baggage of the genius community. She's new, right? So it might be easier for her
to be like, oh, leave him. Is he worried about him?
Yeah. Okay. We'll do that. I adjourn. Thank you, Sharon. Thank you very much.