- This meeting will come to order. This is a regular hearing of the city of Bloomington Transportation
- Commission. Will the clerk please call the roll? I'm a secretary, but yes secretary the secretary, please
- call the roll topic Here mr. Midas binder here Boland here drumming here Flaherty here Davis here Stossburg here
- We have quorum our agenda includes approval of minutes from the previous meeting reports and communications
- from commissioners and from staff including an update on 180 day orders and the intersection of East
- 17th Street and North Eagleson Avenue five cases on the agenda tonight TCR 2512 the 2026 meeting calendar
- for the Commission TCR 2513 East 19th Street on Street parking from Washington to Lincoln TCP 2514 the
- 10th Street corridor study from Morton Street to Park Avenue
- TCI 2515 the College Mall and Covenanter intersection improvements and TCP 2516 the local motion grant
- program application review and funding allocations will then go to discussion of topics not on the docket
- general public comment on items not on the docket and Adjournment with that. Let's go to approval of
- minutes. Do we have any minutes for approval? We do
- Yeah, I move that the minutes be approved Second motion and a second for the minutes of October 20th
- 2025. Are there any Corrections to the minutes to my right To my left Can we do this by voice vote or
- do we need a roll call vote all in favor of approve the minutes, please signify by saying aye Opposed say nay
- Eyes have it the minutes are approved. We now go to reports from commissioners Is there any commissioner
- who would like to make a report on my right? I See we have a new commissioner here. I don't know if
- mr. Binder would like to introduce himself happy to Steve Thank you. My name is a bond binder first
- time on this commission Did serve on the parking commission as well for six or seven years now, so happy
- to be here. Thank you
- To my left any reports from commissioners I will just say that I have been trying to research
- the foundational documents that this Commission relies upon for making its decisions that includes the
- climate action plan there are close to 50 items that just in the section of
- transportation of climate action plan that I think it's our obligation to be overseeing and so I Want
- to float the idea without opening it up for discussion just reporting that I think it might be useful
- if we were to consider Breaking down into groups to tackle certain parts of the Agenda that it's appearing
- increasingly massive to me for this Commission
- I want to talk with commissioners and with staff about maybe Forming groups to focus on certain aspects
- of them We saw in the meeting just now with the Planning session about parking that it's a particular
- focus for some members not for others. So I just wanted to bring that everybody's attention and I'll
- be soliciting that kind of feedback from commissioners and
- Over the next couple of months Any other reports anybody last call let's go now to reports from staff.
- We have 180-day order update I assume that is from director of engineering Andrew Seaborr. Mr. Seaborr.
- Hello Good evening, Andrew Seaborr City engineer just here to provide a quick update on 180-day orders
- since our last meeting one new order has been established
- Creating some additional on-street parking spaces on South Washington Street just for about half a block
- south of 4th Street This essentially took what was a very long-term lane and made it shorter And mirrors
- a recent curb extension bulb out at the 4th Street intersection just to better utilize that space So
- that has been in place and I also extended an order regarding some on-street parking over by Mills pool
- that was instituted before the summer
- Just to keep it in place happy to answer any questions Any questions on 188 orders to my left? To my
- right Seeing none. Thanks for that update. Let's go now to the intersection of East 17th and North Eagleson.
- Is this a report? This is this is a report
- I just wanted to provide a staff report and some interest that we've been hearing about the intersection
- of 17th Street and Eagleson Just for background in case not everybody here is aware Within about a 12-month
- time frame. There were a series of two very serious crashes involving pedestrians Being struck at this
- intersection in both cases the crashes happened around midnight the weekend of a home you football game and
- both crashes involved multiple pedestrians being struck and being very severely injured and both crashes
- occurred in the eastern crosswalk of the intersection and Involved westbound moving traffic. So just
- some background the most recent one happened on October 18th of this year and last year There was a
- very similar crash in November 9th
- So so with that background that certainly there's been some some recent interest from the community
- if you haven't seen there is a Very significant petition on change org that had roughly 8,000 people
- requesting some some change to that intersection. So so that's the background I think one thing I wanted
- to jump into was just helps us frame things is the city safe streets for all plan, which is a guiding
- document that
- I think very much directly relates to the the goals of this commission And helps us identify what is
- what is most important? So so in that document, there's a series of maps. I'm going to quickly go through
- a few of them This is a map that captures all fatal in series injury crashes in the city over a period
- of from 2019 to 2023 on each of these I've circled the area of interest I'm really focusing on the 17th
- and Eagle. It's an intersection as well as 17th and Baker
- just for some context. So you can see, during that time frame, there were no reported serious injury
- or fatal crashes at the intersection of Eagleson, but there was one at the intersection of David Baker.
- If you go over time, I think I mentioned in my report, there maybe have been more crashes actually at
- the David Baker intersection than at the intersection of Eagleson, depending on how far you look. Some
- years it's more, some years it's less at each of them, but they are very similar to each other.
- both in severity, number, and type with multiple pedestrians at each. So this is another map from the
- Safe Streets for All plan identifying high-injury network. So this is trying just to identify where
- crashes have occurred that resulted in high injuries. Here you can see that there were some in the vicinity,
- but the intersection of 17th and Eagleson is not identified. This map captures all modes of crashes.
- The next map
- captures vulnerable road users. So you can see that there were some. You see more color there on the
- 17th Street corridor, not necessarily at the Eagleson intersection. One thing I want to point out, too,
- as I fly through these fairly quickly, too, is just for context, other streets that we'll be talking
- later today, like 10th Street, you can see, tend to be identified, other corridors that we'll be talking
- about later with this commission, future meetings like College and Walnut, potentially Indiana,
- I'll also have some trends here. So those maps I just showed you are really based on historical data.
- This map was basically trying to look forward thinking what crashes are most likely to experience, those
- high-injury fatal crashes. This map did not identify 17th Street or Eagleson or David Baker at this
- intersection. When we combine all of these data points,
- The sit these are probably the maps that I focus the most on in the in this document our priority corridors
- and our priority intersections So it's really looking at what has happened what might happen community
- engagement all of those things helped inform these Big picture you see that there are lines here on
- 17th Street and Eagleson So these are priority corridors priority intersections for for improvements
- The this these corridors in particular are medium priority, but they are
- Priority the intersections themselves with 17th and Eagleson 17th and David Baker are high priority
- intersections So so just to note that Both of these locations are priority The city had prior to them
- these recent crashes identified this area for crosswalk improvements and was starting to develop a crosswalk
- improvement project we had some federal money set aside for the construction of it in a few years and
- So just to know that this has been on our radar and continues to be Since since the crash happened,
- I guess just wanted to to give some updates really on what's happened What I think will happen in the
- in both the near and the long term So since the crashes the most recent crash happened our public works
- Street Department did put in some in-street pedestrian crossing signs to help raise awareness and visibility
- of those crossings and
- We've asked some city crews to do some additional tree trimming just to improve some line of sight for
- pedestrians that are waiting at the crosswalks We've also reached out to Duke to do a photometric analysis
- just to see what the lighting conditions are there at night There is street lighting but just to evaluate
- what is that lighting level should should something more or different to be evaluated there? And and
- we have engaged with IU we were already planning on meeting with them independent of the crashes but
- those are just some some immediate things that have actually already happened and
- Looking maybe still near term. I'm still hopeful that maybe before the end of this year I need to follow
- up with our public work staff, but essentially wanting to lay out we have An idea to further improve
- safety in a near-term way with city crews Essentially trying to do what we would have done with a federally
- funded capital project, but but more more near-term more quick build
- And I'll just jump to this next slide. It starts to capture things very conceptually. But in essence,
- what we're looking to do is actually to remove two of the two crosswalks, the one on the east side of
- the Eagleson intersection and the crosswalk at David Baker, and consolidate them into a single crosswalk
- between the two at essentially the crest of the hill.
- That's where visibility is best. It's also not creating any out-of-direction travel for pedestrians,
- and it also enables us to create a pedestrian island in the center of the road so that pedestrians only
- need to cross one direction of time, of traffic at time, and also should helpfully help promote lower
- speeds as well. We're also going to try to produce another median island on the west side of the Eagleson
- intersection. There, you can see in that light blue color.
- So those are things that we're hopeful that we'll be able to do this calendar year. Can't say it will
- happen for sure, but expect that that, in combination with some signage and street and pavement markings.
- Another idea that we're floating out there that we're not gonna be able to do this year, but maybe pursuing
- further in the future is some traffic calming in the area. This is something that we've discussed with
- IU just in our meetings, just as a way
- Noting that speed is a real concern that some of the recent crashes speeding was a factor But before
- we were to actually install traffic calming that that just requires more engagement more thoughts more
- engagement with Folks like police and fire transit all those all those folks And we frankly we have
- a policy that says what we need to do for public engagement So there's just some additional steps that
- we're likely to going to be pursuing out there and
- So I just really wanted to provide this update to this Commission No action is needed on your part at
- this part time, but happy to answer any questions That I can then help out with thank you for
- that informative report. Are there questions? Miss Davis, I Don't know the name of those signals that
- the pedestrians can Hit and then the flashing lights come on like signal hawk signal hawk signal and
- Were those considered for this? Yeah, there's considering them. There are a couple different options.
- So there's the ones that are more like strobe lights Those are called rectangular rapid flashing beacons
- That's probably more likely an option in the near term than the pedestrian hybrid beacon or hawks Those
- are just almost as expensive as a full traffic signal
- I guess the one thing I forgot to mention in my very quick report was that we're also continuing to
- explore longer-term fixes This is still a near term thing that I've sketched up here long term as we
- really started to dig into the crosswalk improvement project what we really found was that This intersection
- specifically of 17th and Eagleson actually meets traffic signal warrants So it just essentially highlights
- that the need for maybe something even more significant
- Like a traffic signal like a roundabout and so I think we're gonna want to start exploring those longer
- term ideas After we get this near-term fix in Did I answer your question? Thank you for the questions
- from commissioners. Mr. Stossberg Yes, you mentioned this calendar year to clarify. Did you mean in
- the next six weeks? Yes That's the goal though. I have not yet spoke to our Crew staff that would be doing it
- Wow, okay. Thanks. Mr. Binder Mr. Siever. Thank you Rather than removing crosswalks, is it feasible
- to install these islands that you've indicated here in the kind of blue color At the locations of the
- existing crosswalks rather than removing crosswalks Good question
- Happen in those locations that I've designated for removal. We would just then also need to remove the
- left turn lane So that could be an option As opposed to that we are trying to also relocate it to a
- location that I think has better visibility being at the top of the hill That was some of the thought
- process Thanks
- If there's no other questions, I wanted to ask could this have anything to do with the fact that the
- streets as they were were built initially Under the concept that they were one street. They were formerly
- North Jordan of the so-called North Jordan extension And yet there are plenty of C streets in Bloomington
- that are less far apart in their Continuity then and this do you think that's playing any kind of role here? I
- Think there's definitely I suspect there is a strong pattern of pedestrian activity that involves crossing
- from Eagleson to David Baker Especially late at night, especially on football weekends Okay, thank you
- Any other last questions if not, mr. Seymour, thank you for the report Let's go now to cases. We'll
- start with TCR 2512
- I make a motion to introduce TC 25 12 Second All right, we have motion in a second. Can we
- have a presentation on the resolution?
- I don't have a prepared presentation Especially since I'm losing my voice for a second meeting in a
- row Next time I just won't talk at all. But we have a draft of the proposed 2026 meeting schedule Realizing
- this is our last meeting of the year. So If it meeting said it doesn't work out you should at least
- adopt a meeting to start next year, but we proposed we stuck to the
- Monday Because that works the best for staff but specifically for this room and we would like to continue
- having meetings in this room Going forward so we that we found Weeks that that worked best Occasionally
- that didn't work if a holiday occurred. So those men months moved and then also part of that meeting
- schedule is the Transportation Commission
- Deadline so that has when items need to be brought to staff and then when the final packet will it needs
- Details will need to be submitted. So we've included all that for your view. I'm happy to discuss it
- further Thank you any questions about the proposal to my right mr. Flaherty Yeah, thank you. Um, one
- question was I just noticed that the
- Agenda request deadline packet submission deadline a meeting schedule. I would have expected that those
- were sort of uniform like The first is always ten days before the meeting and the packet submissions
- always five days before the meeting or something like that But it seems like that's not the case. I'm
- seeing like varying time ranges between Those sort of pre meeting Deadlines and the meeting itself.
- It was that intentional and if so, could you help me understand the rationale? I
- My understanding was that the the meeting date you just go back two weeks and that should more or less
- give you the So we know that Commissioners want a week in advance to review the packet and so that means
- that the Monday before that's when the packets got to be available so you go back to the weekend so
- Friday is when I'm usually putting the packet together. So I asked that I
- all of those materials be ready on Thursdays. And then, as for the agenda requests being on Mondays,
- that is a very similar sort of thing, is trying to give people a certain amount of time between when
- the requests would come in and then when we would ask for those packet submissions. But there should
- be a logic to it. My guess is that... does that make sense? I would like for there to be a logic to
- it. I agree with your logic.
- I'm guessing that when some of those meeting dates were adjusted for holidays or unavailability that
- the Corresponding agenda and packet deadlines were maybe not adjusted. So there's a handful of months
- where It's three plus weeks in advance of the meeting So I think we would just need to take a look at
- that and make sure that indeed all the agenda and packets are Deadlines are two weeks and one and a
- half weeks respectively before the meeting date we settle on
- Do you see like January for instance the January 5th agenda request deadline for a January 26th meeting?
- That's that's three weeks. Not not to so that's that's what I'm guessing happened There's a few others,
- but yes, yeah, we'll do we'll think we'll check that thank you. Thank you. Yeah to my left any questions
- I Do have one what is taking place on the second Monday of the month that makes this room unavailable? I
- Commission is taking place that Well in general I found that City meeting Rooms are busiest the first
- two weeks of the month and then by the fourth week, they're a little less busy so I was wondering if
- we can shift to either the second Monday or the fourth Monday of the month that the fourth Monday would
- work better and
- at the For Since we're not really meeting In December we could have a meeting after Thanksgiving to
- be the November meeting December meeting But everything else would avoid holidays like Martin Luther
- King Day or spring break And and we can avoid Thanksgiving breaks, you know just by having a meeting
- after that but I'm pretty sure that for Thursday fourth Mondays are
- Should be more open. Is it possible that we could do a fourth Monday instead? That would also I mean
- resolve the January we've already got the fourth Monday because of Martin Luther King day Marsha already
- got the fourth Monday because of spring break, so That would work better I would think Yeah, fourth
- Monday could potentially work if that is if you all would prefer I
- one of the original goals was to have a member from the Board of Public Works as a representative on
- the Commission and so That was the ideal goal was to not double up that they would meet on the fourth
- Tuesday and so to not have back-to-back meetings you don't currently have a member who serves on the
- beat Board of Public Works, so we could potentially have that wait wait you mean that we don't have a
- That seat hasn't been filled yet. No, mr. Coppock is a representative on behalf of the Board of Public
- Works The original intent was it for to be a member of the Board of Public Works? so that would the
- fourth Monday would be back-to-back meetings for that person if there was a Board of Public Works member
- on this commission so the idea to be to prevent a double up mr. Coppock, is that an issue for you? Okay, so
- If that's not an issue for the first the primary person who that was concerned about I'd like to move
- that we change to the fourth Monday of the month Or to amend this to be the fourth Monday of the month
- I'd love to hear feedback from anybody whether they have a preference or not The fourth Monday of the
- month is the council for community accessibility meeting and it does go from 4 to 5 30 so
- I could get all my city meetings done in one day a month. So if you prefer that it's okay It wouldn't
- be my number one choice, but it's okay. Okay, we could start at 535 if you like Any thoughts on my right?
- Would be worthwhile to like survey members, I guess I mean this this commission started in the middle
- of the year I think we just sort of picked a date and maybe when people were being interviewed they
- were asked if that time was
- You know generally worked for them. I Don't know but it's like we don't I don't think we're mostly in
- the habit of like asking Commissioners like what night works for them like when we when we look at the
- beginning of the year like each Commission kind of has its established time But this is a bit newer
- and that so I don't know if that warrants different treatment I guess well, I like that idea because
- I you know this we chose this meeting almost haphazardly and
- It there's a lot of disadvantages to a third Monday I'd love it if it were not on a Monday for one a
- Tuesday, but You know, I'll settle for keeping it on Monday, but it would work better for me personally
- if it were not the third Monday so and I feel like going to a fourth Monday also makes a little bit
- easier to Schedule consistently so and you've heard my argument on that Just if if
- We should go to the public. There's no other questions from members Is there any member of the public
- who'd like to comment on this resolution if so, please Sign in before being recognized come to the podium
- state your name. You'll have three minutes If there's anybody online, please raise your hand and zoom
- and you can be acknowledged to anybody who has a public comment on TCR 2512 the Commission's 2026 calendar
- Seeing nobody in the room. Is there anybody online? Going twice Come back to the Commission for debate.
- Is there anybody who has a thought based on what you've heard? Mr. Flair, I guess just a question for
- commissioners. Is there is if we adopted this resolution Are there any commissioners who know at this
- time that they would Not preferences, but just strictly would not be able to attend
- You know, let's say half or more many of the meetings consistently I know I wouldn't trouble in okay
- Is it the pleasure of members to either postpone this to January or to amend it now I
- My perspective it doesn't matter when we do it the sooner I can put on my calendar the better That's
- that's the only important part of my life but whatever I'm fine with fourth Monday of the month or It
- doesn't matter to me. It's just Oscar. Yeah, either there one worked for me No preference here, but
- I would agree that the sooner it goes on the calendar the better then I just like to move to amend it
- to reflect the fourth Monday of the month and
- with the exception of The last meeting of the year and I'd like to ask staff. Would you prefer November
- 30th or December 7th? for that post Thanksgiving meeting No, November 30th would be the Monday after
- Thanksgiving and
- And it's number seven would be a full week after that to give people a chance to recover from whatever
- Thanksgiving did to them. We can always amend it later if that helps.
- We've conferred in December 7th works. Very good. Okay, so I propose that the everything be adjusted
- to Reflect the fourth Thursday of the month with the exception of the last meeting of the year, which
- will be scheduled for December 7th Can I can I propose one quick amendment? That allows staff to make
- adjustments as needed and with staff to make adjustments as needed. Yeah You actually said Thursday
- in the motion sorry I'm sorry. Let me restate the motion
- Move that we change to the fourth Monday of the month for all meetings with the exception of the final
- meeting of the year Which will be scheduled in 2026 for December 7th. I need a second Second motion
- the second so this is an amendment any discussion on the amendment Mr. Flaherty Commissioner Davis has
- an opinion or a
- Truly willing to accommodate. I mean, I feel like that's a bit It's challenging for your schedule, I
- guess with respect to Potentially or maybe really convenient. I don't know If somebody brings me snacks,
- uh-huh. We'll rotate and okay sign up. Thank you for snack service. Okay. Thank you Any further questions
- we'll go to the public for comment to remember the public who'd like to comment on the amendment Anybody online
- Please raise your hand and zoom Are there any takers All right any final comment from members To my
- right to my left. We're voting on the amendment now to adjust to the fourth Monday and December 7th
- for the last meeting of the year Can we have a roll call vote in the amendment? Binder Yes bullet
- Sorry, yes drumming. Yes, Flaherty. Yes, Davis Yes, Stossberg. Yes Copic. Yes Stramitis. Yes that passes
- 8-0. We now come back to the amendment or to the resolution as amended any final comment Seeing none,
- let's have a roll call vote on GCR 2512 is amended Bowlin yes drumming
- Yes, Flaherty. Yes Davis Yes, Stossberg. Yes Coppock. Yes Stramitis. Yes binder. Yes And that passes
- unanimously 8-0 we have a calendar for 2026. Let's go now to the next item Just for clarity sake I'm
- gonna keep doing this you don't actually have to do that because you'll have to make motions
- on recommendations So yeah, sorry
- Well, then let's just go to TCR 25 13 who is here to present the East 19th Street on street parking
- Old habits die hard. Sorry about that Good evening everybody, my name is Trista here with the engineering
- We are seeking your support to post no parking on
- 19th Street from Washington to 50 feet east of Lincoln Street and today parking on both sides in this
- block pinches the roadway roadway creating meeting and passing conflicts and we have also Seeing cars
- parking close to southeast corner of Lincoln which reduces size sight distance and
- And as you can see on the plane, this creates continuous south side restriction plus 90 feet clearance
- to preserve two ways operation and improve visibility at this location at the intersection of Lincoln
- and 19th Street. And temporary no parking is in place now because of the HAP-2 project and permanent
- signs will be
- Start by the developer at closeout and of course in coordination with the with the engineering and parking
- and staff respectfully Requests your support for the proposal and I'm happy to answer any question you
- have All right other questions miss Davis
- What is hub to It's a I don't know It's a what I know it's project there, but I don't know it's a new
- development I think isn't it so it's is it housing and does it include parking? Like a garage or something
- Andrew seaborne City engineer it is a large I think student focused
- Development and I believe it does have an internal parking garage as a part of the development And as
- a part of that development, they are essentially narrowing the street on the south side And adding sidewalks
- and doing all sorts of things. So this is just in coordination with with that projects plan Thanks Other
- questions to my right mr. Binder I
- to the best knowledge of staff was the plan Commission's intention in approving the Site plan for hub
- to that this change to the parking configuration for the block face would be rolled into that Or is
- this just a oversight As a member of the Planning Commission, I would say that this was an intended
- part of the site plan. Okay. Thank you. I
- Questions to my left. I guess I'm always a little reluctant to give up something that might naturally
- be slowing traffic down. How much is the road narrowing from what I see on the current Google Maps photo
- of this block? So right now it's 22 feet. So if the parking on the other side, we will say,
- will be like Seven or eight feet so that will be 13 or something feet so it's the car so can go The
- traffic can flow through there because the the Google map photo that I'm seeing shows pre hub to and
- the street looks quite wide it looks like At least 30 feet why did did the road get?
- Yes, that's why we that's why we are proposing right now that because right now the road after it's
- not 30 feet It's less than there. Okay, is there Has there been any comment? Do you know who has been
- using that parking and was there any thought in the neighborhood of I think just the neighborhoods or
- the residents on the north side using this right now and
- The other side as I said, there is a temporary no parking because of the construction So there is nobody
- parked on the south side. Do you know when the construction will be done? I think in the summer 2027.
- Okay, so it's not really an issue right now because of construction, correct? Okay. Thank you Any other
- questions for go to the public to my left? to my right Let's go to the public for comment
- If you would like to speak to this issue, please come to the podium sign in state your name You'll have
- three minutes. If you would like to speak in your online, please raise your hand in zoom and you'll
- be called by the staff So anybody on zoom would like to speak to issue TCR 25 13 East 19th Street parking
- Anybody in the room? I see nobody hustling to the microphone. I
- Last call. Seeing none, we come back to the commission for debate. Is there anybody who has any comment
- to my left? To my right. Seeing none. Let's have a, I have a comments. Okay, please. Mr. Jimmy. Um,
- I, I've recently rode my bike through this area and it's, so it's a little bit, it is, it is night and
- day. What I remember it being like before, um, with the building there, but in,
- It's very narrow, but I think part of that's construction, but I will say that having cars parked on
- both sides of 19th Street even traditionally is always a little bit tricky for cyclists That's a cycling
- thoroughfare to get out of the city through Cascades Park So I'm in favor I think on what having cars
- on one side is better than having on both Having one side to worry about instead of two is better from
- that perspective. Just my two cents Thank you
- Anybody else? Now we need a recommendation. What are the three options again? Here you can adopt the
- proposed findings and make a positive recommendation. You can not you're going to adopt your own findings
- and make a positive, negative or no recommendation. That's too many choices. Does anybody want to make
- a recommendation?
- I move that we adopt the findings of staff for this Report and Approve it with a positive recommendation
- Need a second second motion in a second Will the secretary please call the roll drummy. Yes, Flaherty.
- Yes, Davis Stasburg. Yes Copic. Yes Stramitis. Yes binder. Yes. Yes
- CR 25 13 passes 8-0. Let's move on now to TCP 25 14 the 10th Street corridor study from Morton to Park
- Avenue Here to present is that Hank Duncan it is it is Hank Duncan Hi there Hank Duncan safe streets
- program manager good to be here the 10th Street safety improvements project aims to improve safety of
- 10th Street between Morton Street and Park Avenue and
- Improve the connection between the Indiana University campus and trades district for all street users
- The section of 10th Street between Walnut Street and Park Avenue is identified as high priority in the
- safe streets for all action plan Additionally the following intersections along the project area are
- identified as priority intersections 10th and Morton 10th and College 10th and Walnut 10th and Lincoln
- 10th and Grant 10th and Dunn and 10th and Indiana
- Street between Morton and Park Avenue is identified as general urban in the transportation plan The
- old northeast downtown and high point neighborhoods surround this portion of 10th Street The current
- posted speed limit in the project area is 30 miles an hour The mean speed of vehicles is twenty eight
- point six miles an hour with thirty four point nine percent of vehicles traveling above the posted speed
- limit the project area sees an average daily traffic volume of eight thousand five hundred twenty four
- vehicles and
- Multiple public meetings and community feedback opportunities inform the concept design development
- as illustrated in the in the attached conceptual design plans The project incorporates various ways
- of promoting safety including lowering the posted speed limit to 25 miles an hour Adding tree plots
- and grass buffers between the sidewalk in the street Constructing raised intersections at uncontrolled
- intersections along the corridor installing traffic calming and creating highly visible crosswalks and
- Staff recommends that the Transportation Commission adopt the proposed findings and approve the 10th
- Street safety improvements project concept We have the concepts attached below Instead of me going through
- page by page. I'll leave it to you to ask any questions and I can Give more input and analysis into
- whatever you have questions on. Thanks Thank you, mr. Duncan are there questions for mr. Duncan or staff
- on TCP 2514
- I have a question. Let's start with mr. Binder and then mr. Coppock Thank you my question is if if it's
- possible to put the figure of thirty four point nine percent of vehicles traveling over the posted speed
- limit on 10th Street Is it possible to provide the Commission with some context is that? It seems very
- high to me, but perhaps not and maybe that's more typical than I realize I
- Could you provide a little bit of interpretation to that number? Sure in terms of projects that we work
- on which are generally high priority streets or streets with higher rates of speeding This is about
- typical of what we see maybe on the higher end of it for reference and I don't have exact numbers on
- previous projects, but for example on North Indiana Avenue between 7th to 10th. We're seeing over 50 percent
- the posted speed limit before We completed the Maxwell Maxwell Lane traffic calming project a few years
- back We saw over 50% above the posted speed limit. So I don't want to say that this is acceptable It's
- not accepted by any means but there have been other projects with this number or higher of speeding
- on the street follow-up question based on those other projects those past projects that you just mentioned
- what is staff's
- anticipation of the rate of speeding following the installation of traffic calming measures as depicted
- in these concepts sure, so we have developed a relatively uniform profile for speed humps or speed cushions
- or raised crosswalks and intersections around the city and This street where we are designing so vehicles
- do drive at the eventually newly posted speed limit of 25 miles an hour
- So the design is for 25 miles an hour Okay, thank you mr. Coppock So will you need to acquire additional
- right away to complete this project and What kind of time frame are you looking for this to happen?
- Sure. So actually one great thing about this project is that it does not
- Require additional right-of-way. We are working within the right-of-way already there and we are working
- with Incoming developments there are a couple sections that you can see say on the right side of the
- screen there with a wider tree plot in a wider sidewalk That is in coordination with a new development
- coming in there with a 10-foot sidewalk in a five or eight foot tree plot You had a second question
- as well, I believe Time frame for the project. Thank you. So
- Funding is the question for timeframe right now. We've been working with the economic and sustainable
- development department They are working with IU and the Lilly grant essentially that is a grant that
- was given to IU in the city of Bloomington to promote the trades district and
- incorporate more infrastructure improvements in the trades district and connecting Indian University
- to the trades district So our hope is that some of this funding of that funding could be used for this
- project We are going to begin design on this project as soon as it is approved by this commission and
- then after that it is a Matter of when we can find funds to actually construct this project Miss Davis
- Are there any plans to improve sidewalks as part of this project other than what? The developers are
- going to be required to do Yes, we have done multiple walks and strolls along the corridor and identified
- where there are broken sidewalk panels heaving sidewalk panels any kind of inconsistencies in level
- and we have identified those for replacement in this project along with curb ramps and
- So the cost would be borne by this project and not by the property owners in those cases. Yes.
- Thanks Mr. Drumie in the Other projects you've done with traffic calming have you Have you compared
- the results after the projects been completed and can you give some examples of how that turned out?
- Sure. That's a great question again. I don't have other project numbers on me right now I can talk about
- a couple that I can remember offhand just
- Numbers the Maxwell Lane project that I mentioned earlier that spanned from Henderson Street to Woodlawn
- Avenue through the Bryan Park and Elm Heights neighborhoods again before that project was completed
- we saw Well over 50% of folks speeding down that corridor After we implemented a series of I believe
- four or five speed humps along the corridor with the design speed of 25 miles an hour We're now seeing
- a speeding rate of around three to four percent
- similarly on Miller Drive from Henderson to all of that's done by the CBU Department of Public Works
- area down there by Bloomington South We did a similar project of we incorporated about four to five
- speed humps again before then it's a wide street 30 feet wide without a lot of utilized parking high
- rates of speed above 50% above the speed limit and then after the project
- Completed I don't have an exact number but it was well below that we're talking about around maybe five
- to fifteen percent above the speed limit Mr. Midas Is this like a part of the cycling core of the city?
- I know there's 7th Street and then I don't really see another like East West connector North of 10th
- Street. Is there currently a lot of cycling on here? Is this gonna affect that at all? So we this was
- actually a
- Frequently discussed topic throughout this project outreach and design phase where currently there is
- no either striped or protected bike infrastructure along the corridor even though that it is a Relatively
- utilized corridor to connect Downtown the maple Heights neighborhoods with Indian University. There
- are many cyclists who do use that as a connect as a connection There are many more pedestrians who use
- it than cyclists. I will say
- In the city's transportation plan, it does call for a protected bike lane on this street. And this was
- a back and forth internally and externally on what a final decision should be. Essentially, looking
- at the right of way available, looking at the setbacks or lack thereof along the corridor, there just
- isn't room for protected bike lanes along this corridor without long, long-term impacts to the corridor.
- So instead, we focused on the pedestrian experience
- separating sidewalks from the street by using tree plots grass buffers and then the traffic calming
- not only Benefits drivers by slowing down it benefits pedestrians by allowing safer crossings But it
- also benefits cyclists so they can more easily Take the lane and ride with the flow of traffic because
- instead of having drivers Drive at 35 or 40 miles an hour. We're talking about 20 to 25 miles an hour
- First round you have a first round question. Yes. Yeah, how would you summarize the public feedback?
- You received to this sure so with any kind of project there is no one Consensus there's no unanimous
- direction that members of the public and stakeholders want to go in I will say this is as close as as
- close as we've gotten with any kind of project We went out to the mr. Copy parking lot along the corridor
- twice for public meetings. We sent out mailers We had online comment forms
- Sure, there are specific ideas that may not have been incorporated or may have been thought of in other
- directions But for the most part this has been one of the most positive public outreach Processes we've
- gone through and we're confident that we heard the public and what we've come up with I'm looking at
- page 30 of our packet and I know the following data
- Where there is a noting of the average speed in the 85th percent percentile There's one that's 30 miles
- an hour one. That's 32 one. That's 30 one. That's 31 the one that's 29 this is between Washington and
- done give or take block Those don't sound like excessive speeds. I don't get how we got 34 35 percent
- of traffic going above The speed limit
- When you've got I mean the speed limit now is 30 I thought on there, isn't it? So this beats the current
- speed limit is 30 miles an hour we are referring to the numbers on 10th Street between Lincoln and Grant
- with the ADT of 8524 average speed of 28.6 miles an hour an 85th percentile at 32 with those numbers
- 35% of those drivers were driving above 30 miles an hour
- But if isn't the 85th percentile mean that 15% were driving above 32. I don't I that math doesn't make
- sense to me I'm not sure what the question was. How is it if the 85th percentile is 32 that 35% of traffic
- is going? Oh, I guess because there are a lot of people going 30 and 31 miles an hour. Okay, sorry It's
- just not it's not an excess of I thought it was more excessive than that. Okay, so
- That's my question. Is there a second round questions for members to my left? To my right Mr. Binder
- my only minor question is There are some Not applicable numbers on the side streets for average speed
- is that simply because Average daily traffic was counted but speed was not measured or just not recorded
- there is some counts and I'm not the expert in this by any means but talking with the
- With the engineering staff who goes out and does these counts There are some counts that we do that
- are geared towards targeting speeds and speed accuracy There are some counts that go out and target
- volume accuracy. I I would guess on these side street counts that either they were done in Years prior
- to where we would want to use the speed or they were geared towards volume rather than speed And maybe
- any means not available
- Right, and I suspect it's also because the side streets have stop signs and therefore traffic would
- be coming to a stop at that intersection and therefore Average speed doesn't really come into play there
- All right. Thank you Final questions before we go to public comment on my right My left let's go to
- public comment now if you're interested in speaking to TCI 25 or 20 CP 25 14, sorry
- the 10th Street corridor study. Please come to the podium, state your name, sign in, you'll have three
- minutes. If you are online, please raise your hand in Zoom and you'll be recognized by the secretary.
- Anybody online? We don't see anybody rushing to the podium here. Last call for comments on TCP 2514.
- Let's come back now to the commission for debate.
- Can we just get a for a petition? What are our options? Same as last time you can adopt the proposed
- findings and make a forward or You can adopt the proposed findings and approve the 10th Street safety
- improvement project or you can adopt your own findings And still approve or deny for or not tonight.
- Sorry send it back for redesign or you can
- Extend it to end a different meeting. Okay, just to be clear the title of this item is 10th Street corridor
- study. It doesn't say project or construction plan or anything. What exactly are we approving just the
- The redesign is this a redesign You are approving the safety improvement Traffic calming that is in
- the designs shown so
- Yeah, the title is different than the actual recommendation, which would be the 10th Street
- safety improvement project concept Okay There any is there any debate on this issue Mr. Flaherty, thanks
- Only a somewhat related procedural question, which is that could staff distinguish for us again
- Different circumstances under which you bring a petition versus a resolution since in both cases were
- either adopting or proposing our own findings and Recommending, you know in favor or against a staff
- Conclusion of some kind Yeah, a petition is off is always tied to some sort of infrastructure Improvement
- and may or may not include amendments to title 15 or other
- Related documents whereas a resolution Will always relate to another related document but not having
- any infrastructure improvement. So it's Essentially, is there a project related to the project? It's
- kind of more like policy versus infrastructure. Yes, correct. Thank you Okay, so just to clarify we're
- voting on policy Resolutions for policy
- Petitions for infrastructure. Okay, so we're voting on infrastructure. I'm still finding my feet here
- any Comments on what kind of basically what you should do if you wanted to speak to this is what kind
- of? Proposal what kind of finding you'd like to to see here's your chance to weigh in On my right on
- my left Okay, well I need a motion
- I Moved to adopt TCP 2514 as presented with a positive finding Second we have motion in a second. Will
- the secretary please call the roll on the motion to adopt with a positive recommendation Flaherty Yes,
- Davis. Yes Stasberg. Yes Copic. Yes, sir. Midas. Yes binder
- Yes bowling. Yes drumming. Yes That's eight zero. It's adopted unanimously Thank you. We now go to TCI
- 25 15 improvements to College Mall and Covenanter intersection. This is an inquiry not a Petition or
- a resolution Who is here to present Laura Gao? Hello, please Go ahead
- I am Laura Gao and I am a resident of Ridgemead Hills neighborhood. I bring complaints about the intersection
- of College Mall Road and Covenanter Drive. It's a dangerous intersection for pedestrians and apparently
- a confusing one for drivers who are westbound on Covenanter turning left south onto College Mall Road.
- I understand you have been provided with a photograph of the intersection looking westbound.
- Currently, for the left-hand turning lane, there is a signal with five cells, a single red one on top
- with two layers of side-by-side cells below it. Vehicles in the designated left turn lane get a protected
- green arrow on the left cell and a simultaneous constant green light in the cell right beside it. The
- green left arrow goes off, the solid yellow arrow above it comes on while the green bottom left,
- excuse me, the green bottom light on the right of the same lanes
- signal stays solid green. Then the yellow arrow disappears on the left middle cell, but the right bottom
- cell remains green. The pedestrians get their right of way crossing light while this right green cell
- stays illuminated for that left-hand turn lane. The green light indicates permission for vehicles to
- turn left after yielding the right of way to oncoming traffic, either pedestrian or vehicular.
- This intersection has no stationary signage with left turn yield to oncoming traffic, left turn yield
- to pedestrians, instructions, as many other intersections do have, such as at 3rd Street and Pete Ellis
- Drive. As a nearby homeowner who has had family members use this intersection up to three times a day,
- often with Kroger's as the destination, I am aware that drivers cut off and flip off pedestrians crossing
- in the crosswalk when the pedestrians have the white light to do so.
- pedestrian pedestrians have to halt or wave Proactively to drivers to indicate their presence some elderly
- neighbors told me they prefer to jaywalk further to the south rather than use the crosswalk I Was pedestrian
- stuck struck by a pickup truck at 3 30 p.m. On a clear afternoon last December 17th as I tried to cross
- College Mall Road It went down this way. I arrived at the crosswalk pushed the button and awaited my turn and
- North-south traffic got their red lights and stopped three West painting pointing cars waiting to turn
- left on Their protected green arrow got their light and did so there was no one in the left-hand turn
- lane behind them I got my pedestrian crossing light and entered the intersection The truck which struck
- me was first quite physically far away in the right-hand lane the lane to go straight Straight or to
- make a right turn. That's why I entered the intersection. I
- I kept my eye on him, and to my horror, the truck then drifted over into the left turn lane without
- signaling, and the driver accelerated through his turn till he had struck me, knocking me down and breaking
- my wrist, causing contusions and road rash and running over my two feet. He did not yield the right
- of way, and I could not get away.
- I assumed he had run a red arrow, but when I investigated later, I saw again to my horror that this
- whole five light, five cell signal is for that dedicated turn lane, and the constant green light stays
- on in the bottom right cell after the yellow turn arrow on the left middle cell has gone off.
- That contributes to why there are so many close calls and the flipping off of pedestrians. As the driver
- who struck me drifted over into the left hand turn lane and began
- The turn leading to the collision course with me, I now believe there was a green light in the right
- hand bottom cell of his lane signal. That source of confusion would be on the city. His inattentiveness
- as an operator of his truck is on him. As I went today one more time to double check the intersection
- signal action, I observed and photographed that the white painted pavement arrows for the left turn
- lane and the go straight or turn right lane are worn to indiscernible ability
- as are the white pavement lines indicating where the cars must stop on the red lights and the lines
- for the designated pedestrian crosswalk going north-south across Covenanter. I sent that picture to
- Ryan Roebling late this afternoon. So this is a very troubled and very busy intersection. It could be
- improved these ways. A signal for that left-hand turn lane on the east side of College Mall Road with
- three cells, not five, for those drivers turning left.
- a red arrow or a red signal for the left-hand turn when pedestrians have requested their right-of-way
- to cross. Alternatively, a three-cell signal that goes to a flashing yellow arrow in the middle cell
- when the end of the protected left-hand vehicular turn is over and an added stationary sign saying yield
- to pedestrians non-counting traffic or with a little symbol of a pedestrian or something to indicate
- that the left-hand turning vehicles must yield the right-of-way.
- when they do not have the green arrow. My city contacts have told me that this is a known dangerous
- intersection, so I am begging the Transportation Commission to move forward with speedy signage and
- pavement painting improvements. Besides this one, please consider flashing yellow arrows and stationary
- yield to pedestrian signage at other known dangerous intersections in this growing city, as well as
- easily visible white pavement demarcations.
- That is what you can do. And now I would ask if there's a representative of the police here Did anybody
- come as I was told would happen the chief of police is here As for the inattentive Incapacitated drivers
- and scofflaws. I would ask the police do their job The police were summoned quickly apparently by the
- eyewitnesses who watched the 26 year old man run over the 62 year old woman with his truck
- The police did not get any witness reports, did not test the driver for impairment, and did not ask
- him if he was texting. The young man officer cited the young man driver merely for an expired license
- plate. The officer further checked the box on his crash report that the estimate of total damage from
- the incident was $1,001 to $2,500 as I went off to the hospital to begin my expensive medical odyssey
- that involves surgery, physical therapy, and an altered future.
- As part of telling my tale, I have had to withstand the indignation of every person who hears that the
- driver was not cited for a moving violation. So in addition to my plea to the transportation committee,
- my experience of 11 months ago tonight indicates that the police need to perform better in upholding
- the safety of pedestrians in Bloomington, citing offenders, and recording crash reports in a way that
- reflects reality. I respectfully request that the chief of police
- Carry that back to the station. Thank you for this opportunity to speak Thank You miss go There's a
- this is a kind of a two-fold issue I do want to hear opinion from staff And that would include Planning
- staff for the first part of her inquiry and the chief for the second part
- If anyone has a different way for proceeding just let me know but I thought we would go that way first
- Let's hear from planning staff on their reaction to her inquiry That is not the goal of a transportation
- inquiry to respond I'm sorry Staff doesn't come prepared with a response. The idea is for this to be
- a voice for
- See yeah, there's no you have no particular fee. We only provide background We don't weigh in at this
- stage the idea to be What you all would like to us to consider or think about or do? Okay I Guess then
- I'll just open the floor to questions from commissioners for I mean again, we have staff here and and
- the inquirer to anybody have any questions or
- Like to ask mr. Binder first of all, I just want to say I'm truly sorry that this happened to you and
- I think you and everybody in the city deserve far better I think my idea for staff here would be to
- Probably as a baseline conduct a new study of traffic at this intersection because I look at the date
- on the attached
- Figures and I believe it was conducted in 2013. Is that correct? Correct. Okay, so I think at the very
- least Some kind of new or updated set of data would be helpful And then I guess I would also
- Like to hear at some point obviously not at this meeting. I understand that staff doesn't have any You
- know particular documents prepared right now, but at a future meeting perhaps Outlining for this commission
- kind of what the the short-term and then long-term Ideas that that staff have for for this intersection
- to improve safety So I guess what we're doing with an inquiry is deciding whether or not we want to
- what are the options again? Mr. Robling
- I should have it in front of me, but yeah, they're on the screen now, but okay So our options are to
- determine that no action is warranted at this time to request additional study as mr. Binder has just
- done or requests that a future petition or resolution Addressing the issues raised be placed on a subsequent
- agenda But we would have to identify a clear and actionable outcome Directive or policy objective to
- be developed and prepared for future consideration So those are our options with that I'll continue
- opening the floor to
- Just a point of order are these mutually exclusive options or Because it seems as though we could request
- additional study or information and request a future resolution, but but perhaps one Comes first that
- I gather information. Is that my understanding? That's a good question for staff Does this mean that
- if we chose C is that automatically include B? Correct. Yeah
- The idea would be that see always includes be so if all you want is study then you can make
- that recommendation if you definitely want it to be future petition where that's that's formerly written
- up by staff where they they Analyze the issue and they come up with a recommendation as well that Then
- you would recommend see the sea would include further study Any more thoughts
- on this inquiry from any member on my left to start with Mr. Drummey and then Ms. Davis. I have a question.
- On the photo that's on page 30, PDF page 39, this black device on top of the tallest little device,
- is that a traffic sensor? I've always wondered what those things were.
- So actually the on the pole to your right Is I believe that's the video detection or detection of the
- signal The sense of traffic's there to change the light, correct Does it count cars this I'm making
- assumptions here My guess is that this is older technology and it does not
- collect that kind of data Miss Davis Nothing okay on my left here anybody else with a question or thought
- I guess my question or request for information would be to see what you could do with the traffic signal
- timing and maybe take into consideration the yellow flashing arrow during the Phase of the light
- Yeah equip just for context maybe some reminders or things that might be forthcoming that maybe I haven't
- shared before Is the city does have an ongoing? Study to update the traffic signal timing of all of
- our signalized intersections and that projects been in development for a long time Partially due to
- our lack of having a filled traffic engineer position But expecting to make real progress on that early
- next year because we have filled that position so
- So yeah signal timing certainly will be evaluated just as a part of that at this intersection in all
- intersections throughout the city And then the comment about flashing yellow arrow. I think just generally
- speaking Wanting to state that as we're modernizing our signals intersections and there are left turn
- lanes That is I think becoming our common go-to and expectation The the trick is in a location like
- this. It's not actually just an easy thing to swap out a signal there's a lot of rewiring and actually
- Would need to add another signal because that would be just for the left turn movement So it's just
- I guess my point is that it's not a quick and easy thing just to put in a different signal head but
- I Guess yeah, I guess my question was on the phasing was to add a dedicated crossing for pedestrians
- Through the timing but on the five section head you could I didn't know you couldn't put a yellow flashing
- arrow in that center and
- You can't that's the trick is that we would need to swap out that five section doghouse to put in a
- four section Signal just for the left turn lane, but also at another three section head and all of this
- stuff is possible, but would be a significant effort that essentially requires a contractor and project
- Thank you to my right Questions mr. Flaherty
- Thank you so earlier this evening we were looking at some of the maps and the safe streets for all action
- plan Which I think yeah, we should be doing regularly when we're talking about these intersections I'll
- note that the high-injury network vulnerable road user map this intersection is and does appear as the
- the darkest color which is the highest priority for intervention and
- And either been a number of serious injury crashes of both pedestrians and cyclists noted in the other
- maps So that's on page 27 of that plan There are of course, you know, probably a couple dozen intersections
- that would meet that highest priority So I guess first of all It seems to me that this would warrant
- action related to B or C among the options we have
- And then second just asking maybe from our perspective from staff of like how we are Systematically
- and holistically approaching those, you know some of those most dangerous intersections Is is there
- a process anticipated yet like like if let's say it's 23 intersections in the city, you know to each
- of those 23
- Have a schedule or a plan by which we hope to in or a timeline by which we hope to get to them or is
- it? We're still getting oriented to that. Is it a bit more ad hoc? Like can you help me understand like
- how we might think about this particular need which I think is well established in the context of You
- know that this planning document and city needs generally I know that that's a great question There's
- there's multiple factors going in so I guess we're maybe still in a
- some transition of how to use that map in relation to Modernizing old equipment that needs to be replaced.
- So there's the balance of maintaining like we've got old signals that might not be The highest of priorities,
- but if we don't do it it might It just so there's it's not just simply that simple but but that being
- said I think it's a fair question that we need to honestly look at further And be more mindful of for
- things like this
- Okay. Thank you Mr. Stossberg Yes, I thought you did a good job of breaking this into two parts
- infrastructure and policy on the infrastructure side I'm one of the members who came from the bike pedestrian
- safety commission a longtime member there Jim Rosenberger Mentioned this intersection many times because
- it is on a bike route used by cyclists and he's
- now passed away before we got a chance to see significant improvements. I think it is along a greenway,
- and for the... I live along near a greenway, long view, and I would ask if today, would this level of
- comfort or level of surface meet the standards that we have for what we expect for a neighborhood greenway,
- this intersection?
- I think if we were starting from scratch or redesigning this intersection especially for those crossing
- college mall using coven enter The things that we're talking about like the traffic signal we would
- have the newer better technology We would have a flashing yellow that would also enable us to have protected
- only Pedestrian crossings when somebody activates it those kinds of things would be available with more
- modern equipment that we don't yet have at this intersection
- So that's a potential something actionable for this commission to check to see if this intersection
- is appropriate for our greenways plan and then bring it up to our standards. On the policy part, I'm
- interested to hear from the police how drivers are cited in cases like this.
- Specifically, recently, we have the Safe Streets for All and Vision Zero plans. I'm interested to understand
- how this policy addresses our interest to protect vulnerable road users. Thank you. So, Mike DeKoff,
- Police Chief for the City of Bloomington. So we do not have specific policies that say everyone who
- breaks a traffic law gets a ticket. That would be very bad policy.
- And so it's left to officer discretion and there's a lot of things that go into that I'm not gonna comment
- on this specific case because there could be pending civil litigation. So I'm not going to do that,
- but there are lots of Things that officers look at when they're at an accident when they are stopping
- a car for a traffic violation as to what might Make them make the decision to write a ticket and
- And so it's it there's nothing that I can point to specifically because each individual officer evaluates
- each individual accident or traffic stop Separately, so I can't really give you and I a definite answer
- as to you're gonna get a ticket every time this happens Because we don't have policies that address
- that so in situations like this
- You know accident reports are when officers show up for those we gather the information at that time
- The officer may not have known how severe someone's injuries might have been And so unless there is
- unless someone follows up with the officer to have that added to the report we don't necessarily know
- that information and So we're basically information gatherers to put it on a form to give it to the state
- That's what we do with traffic accidents. I don't know if that answered your question, but I think that's
- about the best I could probably do. Yeah, I am interested on how, you know, how those calls are made.
- I live in the Park Ridge neighborhood. We had a girl, 10 years old, who was hit. She was crossing the
- crosswalk as she should, thrown across the intersection. The driver had clearly not stopped at the stop sign.
- He was not sighted, several of her teeth were knocked out, her jaw were broken. The police report said
- minor scrapes and bruises. So it's not just like an isolated case, and I was speaking with Mr. Drummey.
- He's a lawyer, handles some related cases. So I'm interested in some alignment here with our Safe Streets
- for All and Vision Zero plans to protect vulnerable road users. If there's something we can do at the
- police department to make sure this category in particular is protected. We don't have the...
- 2 to 3,000 pound boxes protecting us Sometimes it seemed like there are clear cases where there has
- been a violation someone's sent to the vulnerable religious has been sent to the hospital It's a particular
- case. I think would do well to align with our our city goals for the safe streets for all Thank you
- I'll take a term. Mr. Decoff if you wouldn't mind the
- The terms that mr. Seabor and planning staff tend to use when talking about These events are crash or
- collision But you use the word accident Could it be that that term sort of preemptively? absolves the
- a driver because it just sort of implies that nobody was at fault and
- Do you see that concern? I don't know. I mean there there are a lot of times where You know and crashes
- or collisions that It's hard to find fault and so you know if there are a lot of situations where civil
- litigation is the route that those types of things should take and
- No, no, I get it. I'm just saying that the word accident sort of implies that well, we're gonna start
- out by assuming that Nobody's at fault here where it's a collision is kind of neutral on that. Do you
- see the difference? I don't know I I would not think that that would be Something that an officer would
- look at and absolve someone of responsibility Okay. Thank you for that with respect to this intersection
- I want to direct to engineering or planning staff. I thought that Covenanter and this intersection in
- particular but this from this intersection East is the subject of no small plan for improvement In fact,
- I recall that it was a discussion Councilman Flaherty. Do you recall when we were discussing College
- Mall Road and and there was a vote on the redesign of the entirety of the road from 3rd Street and
- I think we talked about it then but I'm not sure but is there not an intention to Doesn't this intersection
- need redesigning pretty badly and Isn't it sort of high on the list? I Could go back through my notes,
- but there was a time there one of the previous geo bond bonds included potential funding for
- Want to say it was a protected bike lane project. Yeah from this intersection to the east but it was
- one of the Not highest priorities of that bond funding and It essentially isn't moving for it as a part
- of that project would have included this intersection and
- I think another just important detail of the intersection is that it's there's a essentially a bridge,
- right? There's a lot of limitations. It's not an easy intersection to significantly alter but but yes,
- I remember that bridge too and that it was scheduled for upgrade or repair the bridge I Couldn't speak
- to that because typically the county maintains bridges Okay, so why is it essentially Not have not going forward
- This very second because there isn't funding to that was a would have been a very significant Multi-million
- dollar protected bike lane project that included some intersection improvements and and it's not going
- forward because we had other priorities or we lost money or there was insufficient money to Move that
- project along Okay, thank you second round questions. Mr. Jumme
- I have a question for a chief decaf and in the Andrew first of quickly is there with regards to this
- particular intersection Is there not a way with the current technology? To have it all the way red and
- allow for pedestrians across with a walk light with what is there currently I Would need to double-check.
- So essentially having everything red for all vehicles And I would I would need to double-check that
- but it wouldn't that solve the this
- I mean I realize it would slow track. It may Have a traffic flow. Yeah, I think there's one
- other intersection in the city that currently functions that way But it has thousands upon thousands
- of pedestrian one of the Arboretum. Yeah, they're by the business school by 10th and yeah. Yeah,
- okay Mr. Stossberg. Oh, I'm sorry. Mr. Johnny. Go ahead. Sure. Sorry. Thank you Chief decaf. My name
- is Brian drama. I'm a lawyer of Bunger and Robertson personally lawyer primarily and
- And I don't mean to put you on the spot. We I review hundreds of police reports a year from not just
- Bloomington all of the state I never see citations ever I mean I shouldn't say never but unless there's
- drinking or drugs or some I don't even see distracted driving citations So my to your comment about
- civil litigation it has its place in police reports have their limitations I mean, I'm glad they exist
- they're not admissible as evidence in Indiana because I
- The police officer primarily didn't see what happened. It's just him gathering information, hearsay
- information. But in terms of citations, civil law doesn't provide a penalty or determinant for texting
- and driving. It really is just an insurance company thing. It's a monetary exchange. The insurance companies
- admit liability and wipe out those other issues. So I would just urge you and your officers, you guys
- are the front lines to making us be safer.
- Making people drive safer and by the time it gets to me, it's long gone. I mean that can I ask you a
- question? Sure You actually think a traffic ticket is gonna make someone drive safer. I do I don't Well,
- it Increases their insurance rates if they have them but again, is that going to make them safer? That's
- going to cost them more money with their insurance But I'm not sure that's going to make them a safer
- driver. Are we what are we are we giving up on it then? No, I'm not saying that
- So how do we make but if I issue a policy that says you will cite everyone who create who? Breaks a
- traffic law or is involved in an accident. I'm not sure that this community wants that So where do I
- draw that line of letting officers discretion? Decide what they do versus me writing a policy that says
- you don't have any discretion anymore. You will do this that I that I believe
- would be a very dangerous situation that this community would not like. I agree they probably wouldn't
- like it, but that's not what I'm suggesting. You said, hey, let the civil lawyers figure it out. I'm
- just telling you, that's not a solution to determine on the front end. There's nothing we can do a year
- later when a case comes in our office to find it. Well, there are certain things we can do, but oftentimes
- the information is gone. To look at the cell phone or to capture that data
- Year later that person may not have that cell phone to see if they were texting and I've had cases where
- you're you're also probably familiar with what would be involved in a seizing a cell phone getting court
- orders to do all that and I'm not sure in a infraction situation that we would get that information
- to follow through on that investigation and
- Well, I also have the opportunity to watch a lot of body camera footage from Accidents and oftentimes
- officers ask if you were using phones and if the driver was and they if they say no That's the end of
- the conclusion and that's I get it There's only a certain amount you can do and and and you guys have
- other things to please so let me go back and explain a little bit also so because we're short-staffed
- and because we don't have the funding to get to where we need to be we don't even have police officers
- investigate a lot of accidents and
- There are community service people and they can't write traffic tickets. So we have to decide what do
- we want to do here? Do we want to dump more money into hiring more police officers so we can respond
- to have officers work these accidents or do we look at something else? So there's I agree there's lots
- that goes into this don't citations There's lots of things that people that are that are victims that
- accidents have through civil litigation That was my point with that
- My point was not that civil lawyers and everybody should go and sue somebody that's in a traffic accident.
- My point was we have limited resources. We do what we can. We have come up with a way to help us solve
- some of those issues by having non-police officers investigate traffic accidents or crashes or whatever
- you wanna call them. People have other remedies besides a police officer riding a ticket. And so again,
- We have to I'm not going to issue a policy that mandates that we write tickets in every situation I'm
- going to leave it to the discretion of that officer Well, that's what I'm getting criticized tonight
- for is because that officer in two sit in two situations Didn't write tickets. There's information that
- I know about those those particular accidents that I'm not going to discuss because of the potential
- for civil litigation and
- So there's more to than what's being brought out here tonight in these cases that I'm not gonna comment
- on Understood and I'm not I don't think I criticize you one bit I just wanted you to see it from the
- perspective as a person that looks at police reports regularly from across the state I don't see any
- citations granted. I'm not suggesting you write a policy say they need to be granted or need to be issued
- I just think it's a tool in the toolbox to make us a little bit safer on a daily basis. Thank you. I
- Further questions. Mr. Flaherty. Thank you. I did have some follow-up for chief decaf also. Thank you
- so much for your Being here tonight and helping us Understand the perspective of the force Thinking
- about The the discretion discretionary element So so on one end
- there would be maybe no training or guidance at all and just sort of discretion with whatever set of
- assumptions, biases, background, whatever that an individual officer brings to a situation. On the other
- far end of a spectrum would be a prescriptive binary policy you must issue to get when. I understand
- why that's not advisable and that's not what I'm advocating or I think anyone else has, but I guess
- I'm curious
- Their training about the discretionary element and in particular values of the city of Bloomington that
- maybe should be a factor that weighs into the discretionary Choices that an officer makes when you know
- issuing a citation or not Similarly you might think I know your officers undertake implicit bias training
- for instance to consider you know racial bias and policing and other other other forms of bias so
- Just being able to name and talk about these things in the course of training That you know, we have
- policies in the city of Bloomington that try to address the you know endemic traffic fatalities that
- we have that are especially hard hit on Vulnerable roadway users that maybe that's a training that goes
- into the discretionary Framework of officers like is that do we have anything like that now?
- Is that viable? What are your thoughts about that by way of? officers go through the extensive training and
- At the Academy mm-hmm with regards to traffic investigation and traffic accident investigation We do
- we cover that in the field training officer program when they're on the when it's basically on the job
- on the street training It is covered in that training as well but again, it gets down to that fine line
- of I Don't know everything that the officer asked saw discussed
- in this particular accident, in this crash. I don't know what they did. There's stuff in there that
- would not necessarily be in the report, so I don't know why they didn't write a citation. The one that
- was brought up at Smith and Morningside. Again, I don't know everything that happened. I do know that
- there's always information that comes about after we have left the scene,
- We don't necessarily get that information delivered to us after the fact so in in situations where someone
- goes to the hospital they could have been having a very normal conversation with the officer and they
- go get checked out and There's things that are much more serious that come about at the hospital We
- don't get that information from the hospital. The person could call us back and say hey Can you update
- the report and do this but that doesn't happen very frequently
- So we don't we don't necessarily always go back and follow up when initially it doesn't look that It
- was that severe of an accident. Yeah, I hear you. I Guess my feeling we're talking about policy options
- to try to address this issue Not a particular case but kind of at a holistic level and my gut is that
- through training we could probably do more to align
- Values around safe streets for all with with some of the the the questions So for instance an officer
- could make sure that they're always communicating to the victim of a crash that if they go to the hospital
- and injuries come up that they can or should follow up and call back maybe you already do that, but
- just a Request that we think about what what role and
- Police training can play in the whole system here of trying to get safer streets for everyone You know
- That yeah, there's probably some improvement somewhere in there I don't know all the details, but I
- do appreciate again you being with us tonight and helping explain some of that Let's try to get to public
- comment as soon as we can. Are there other second round questions to my left? Do you want to wait till
- we can we'll have a round of questions after public comment to my right? All right. Let's go now to
- public comment on
- TCI 2515 the intersection of College Mall and Covenanter This is again an inquiry as to whether the
- Commission should follow up with Should should make take no action Do further study or bring a petition
- of resolution with respect to this intersection I'm going to open the floor now to public comment if
- you'd like to speak please come to the podium state your name sign your name in the record and
- You'll have three minutes if you'd like to speak and you're online, please raise your hand and zoom
- and the secretary will recognize you. Is there anyone who would like to speak on this issue? TCI 2515?
- Is there anyone online who'd like to speak? Well, that's quite a surprise. Last call for public comment
- on TCI 2515.
- Seeing none, we'll come back to the commission for follow-up questions. To my right. To my left. I think
- this is the time where we start putting together. We're gonna go now to debate. So here's your chance
- to make a comment on how we should proceed. Please try to frame your comments in
- one of the three options that we have and also please try to remember that the object of this Commission
- is to focus on transportation There have been public safety issues brought up here that are significant
- some of which may be beyond our bailiwick But as with whatever it has to do with transportation, let's
- focus on that With that is there anyone who'd like to comment on my left?
- Who wants to go first? I imagine there's some comments here. We'll start on my right with mr.
- Midas Yeah, I'm just thinking I like the way that it's framed with the Eagles and intersection of some
- short-term and long-term So I would definitely move for there not to be an actual petition a resolution
- brought forward in the future I'd like it and like a short-term medium long-term things and I would
- think short-term I think in the in the request or in the some of the description
- At a very minimum a sign left turn yield to pedestrians I think would be added very quickly and cheaply
- And then also in a short term like being able to look at what type of retiming can be done with the
- current infrastructure I don't know if that's maybe timing the pedestrian light to start sooner than
- turn signals or for the intersection through the left turn to go red before it goes something like Different
- options like that with different time frames would be
- Thank you. Anyone want to follow that? Miss Davis I'd add to that the Prioritization of the restriping
- of that area with the the lanes and the stop point in the left turn arrow Any other comments first round
- comments to my right To my left mr. Stossburg, I presume we could
- produce multiple petitions or resolutions. I was just gonna say that there may be more than one outcome
- from this inquiry. Yeah, because we had the infrastructure piece in the policy question. On the petition
- side, the infrastructure part, one way to move forward is to reevaluate this intersection as part of
- our greenways program. It does not seem to be up to the level of comfort and safety that
- Other parts of our neighborhood greenway are and that's a place where we could Re-evaluate and see what
- could be done there on the resolution side the policy side I think there's an opportunity to review
- our policy about when we cite I don't think it's practical to cite and in all cases that don't believe
- we have the resources for that there's an opportunity to look at the alignment with our safe streets
- for all vision zero plan and possibly
- society in some cases regarding vulnerable road users Thank you any further comments from members Mr.
- Flaherty, yeah, it was reminded by the comment to my right and just briefly I had brought a resolution
- the council passed it and I think 2023 around leading using leading pedestrian intervals
- Pedestrian signal goes several seconds before the light changes to give visibility time to begin crossing
- etc I get the content I get the sense that if the pedestrian Actuated button hasn't been pressed that
- maybe the left turn happens first. So it would be contingent upon that and
- but when we worked with engineering staff to develop that Resolution and policy which will inform the
- signal retiming study. We weren't sure exactly how to take a systematic approach to where those leading
- pedestrian interval Treatment should go we used the downtown pedestrian Kind of downtown overlay as
- a you know a proxy for where there's high pedestrian activity but I think also named places where there
- is a lot of pedestrian activity this was before the safe streets for all action plan and
- I know that's called out as a potential policy intervention in that plan as well. And maybe we need
- to be thinking about pedestrian crashes Maybe you already are but in particular and the the you know
- vulnerable road users map essentially as a filter With which to you know to apply to that LPI treatment
- as you get into that. So just Bumping that up in particular. Thank you to my left Mr. Drumming my only
- comment would be from
- First experience this is a tricky intersection. I mean, it's an intersection that I've used often and
- and I'm not sure the last time I was there I'm not sure the button actually worked to head to the east
- I know it's confused. It's you have to kind of if you're riding you kind of have to walk You have to
- go up on the sidewalk and maybe go five feet over So I but anyway for whatever that's worth or maybe
- it worth nothing, but we should check to make sure the button works And be able to want to come before
- I take a crack
- My right mr. Mr. Binder. Yeah, I'll just take the opportunity to say that in in my experience There
- is a widespread public perception that the police do not enforce traffic laws as strictly as they used
- to and I think that is definitely worth considering here. It's not something that our Commission can
- really seemingly do anything about But that has to be part of the solution here
- Sorry to see that the chief has left the room so he can't hear this but Maybe he'll see you later All
- right, well There's a couple of things to observe here first of all from the transportation perspective
- from the infrastructure perspective I was I meant to ask about leading pedestrian intervals. I was wondering
- why that can't be the first thing that's implemented and
- Does it mean that it would be too onerous to require a red light all around for a couple of seconds
- while the pedestrians crossing Cross like I wasn't I wish I had asked and I wasn't clear enough on that
- So I'd like to know more and I suspect that we're going to be doing at least some research into this
- issue Once this this inquiry is concluded I do think that this intersection should be bumped up in priority like
- which is bottom line, I am familiar with it from both a bicycle and an automotive perspective. There's
- not a lot about College Mall Road that I am happy with as somebody who uses it as a pedestrian or as
- a driver. I think it does encourage
- Speeding still that it needs to be redesigned and rethought and a couple years ago when we were looking
- There was there was a faction of City Council that was eager to see that road tamed and I was a member
- of that faction So that this inquiry has come along now and that this commission is here to address
- it I think is Very timely
- But I recall that in the prior item, we were talking about an intersection that Mr. Seaborg had cited
- at the last meeting as a good example of an intersection that needed a light more than the light at
- the corner of North Walnut and Blue Ridge. And I took that to heart. And I think that this intersection
- is competitive in that respect. It's already got a light, of course, but it really needs attention.
- So I would recommend some kind of action towards studying the intersection And figuring how we can prioritize
- it higher From the other perspective the safety perspective. I was appreciative of the fact that the
- chief Talked about implicit bias training and I think that part of the reason for the very existence
- of this Commission is that
- Implicit bias exists in this city in many ways and one that's not conventionally covered by Federal
- or state policy is implicit bias towards automobiles that We have an implicit bias towards the driver
- that I think if what I'm hearing is correct that there's a concern among members of this Commission
- that police officers who I don't think it's fair to really blame them for
- Anything else they they they care. I mean in this situation, but they may well have an implicit bias
- towards the driver It's used by the term as evidenced by the term accident I think it's very common
- for people who don't realize that they have an implicit bias towards Automobiles that they use the term
- accident. Well, it couldn't be anybody's fault. It's just an accident but I know that
- Other departments of the city have made an effort to start using the word crash the word collision Which
- doesn't assign blame, but it also doesn't absolve anyone of blame and I think that that's That's an
- issue here, I think that's an issue for these Accidents that were that were that we're talking about
- now and that was brought up it in Park Ridge East And that we need to address
- any implicit bias that we have in the city towards automobiles because Literally all the documents that
- we're supposed to follow are supposed to emphasize non automotive forms of transportation and This is
- a good example of why we're here is this issue. So I think that the chief I regret that he's not in
- the room that he was sensitive to criticism here. It's understandable I think that this is one aspect
- of the policy that
- That we need to change. I don't expect a police officer to I don't I kind of don't blame them yet for
- using the term accident or for treating You know for not really thinking Harder about writing a citation
- for someone who caused injury But we're busy measuring fatalities and serious injuries throughout the
- city and here is an example of a serious injury that we have direct testimony from someone who said
- that my life was changed for this, and we hear from Mr. Drumme that, you know, it all but doesn't go
- recorded so that it can be cited in court later. It's a thorny problem. We can't expect the chief alone
- to solve it, and we shouldn't. It's literally why we're here, and so I think that's why this is an excellent
- inquiry that really needs to be at least researched more. I just don't know
- what I'd recommend in that second case, except more research at the moment. Although I'm certainly open
- to entertaining any motion for resolution to that end. But that's my initial thought. I'd love to hear
- feedback from members. Is there a second round comment from anybody on my left? I think we should move
- forward with the petition for the infrastructure part and the revolution
- for the Policy part On my right Any further comment All right, mr. Sasberg, would you I guess we need
- a little help from staff to structure this. How do we make a recommendation here? Do we just say I can't
- read it Do we have to be a specific to make a specific petition a resolution if
- If your goal is to ask for something to be done specifically, yes, you should be as clear and specific
- as possible. Mr. Sasberg, would you care to frame it? Yeah, so I heard a number of calls for infrastructure
- improvements at the intersection. I think we should take those collectively and then leave it to our
- staff to come up with final recommendations there. One way to bundle them together
- is to think about it as part of our greenway network, which is a higher comfort, higher safety part
- of our street system that is designed for vulnerable road users. I think we don't want to always respond
- to every case with like, oh, there was a crash. We should do better at that intersection because we
- have a lot of crashes. But this is a case where we are trying to have a system that is safer for our
- Vulnerable real users in this intersection. I think it's failed us So the petition I would propose is
- to have the staff revisit the college and covenant or intersection as part of our greenways network
- and Bring it up review the standards and bring it up to our safety standards for our greenway system.
- That's a petition Yes, and you have a resolution as well. The resolution would be
- the policy question In light of what we learned from the chief and from a personal injury lawyer here
- to review our policy for citing drivers particularly Make sure that is aligned with our safe streets
- for all program and vision zero goals All right, let's take the petition first So do you have his motion?
- Do you have it as a motion? Do you needed to make a motion?
- I Understood the motion I don't Okay Mr. Robling is going to mr. Seabor for consultation Yeah
- Take a TV timeout Okay, sorry about that I just wanted to make sure that planning and transportation
- and engineering were all on the same page I Heard the the request. I don't think there's a specific
- item that's being requested and that is tricky I think that
- What was proposed is closer to be which would be asking us to study it with a short-term near-term and
- long-term solution Which we absolutely can do and we can package that together with a potential petition
- the idea behind the bring a petition forward is like to if you were the Mr. Midas's Observation that
- you could add a sign. That's a specific thing we could do and could be included as a petition if that
- makes sense. I
- That one wouldn't need to be a petition just for the record, but It that is a thing that you could ask
- us to do right now If that multiple motions can come from this inquiry, so why don't you make the first
- motion? Okay be Then the motion would be for additional study of the college and covenant or intersection
- as it pertains to our Greenways program to make sure it's safe enough. Is there a second for that motion? I
- Second that motion. We have a motion in a second. Can we have a roll call vote on this first motion?
- Davis yes Stossberg. Yes Coppock. Yes, Connell. Oh Sorry, yes. Sorry. I got into a groove a binder.
- Yes bowling. Yes. Draw me. Yes flair. Yes That motion passes 8-0. Is there a second motion?
- Do you need help framing it? Can you help mr. Midas frame the motion that she mentioned? That I would
- say it for the signage is it I'm to clarify Well, if it's a good idea we should okay sure let's do a
- motion to Request that the city staff put up signage saying yield to pedestrian for left-turn signals
- at the college mall and Covenanter and
- Is there a second if that's in line with the I don't know staffs Second the motion in a second. I'm
- not sure what it was This is a new commission folks. We appreciate your patience. We're trying to muddle
- our way through here Is this simply a request to staff? Is it a resolution that we're bringing or a
- petition? I
- Yeah, this one would be a resolution. Sorry. This would be what this one would be closer to a resolution
- Okay, so mr. Miners are requesting a resolution to put signage up at the intersection Accordingly and
- mrs. Davis to second it. Can we get a roll call vote on that motion? Stossberg Yes, copic. Yes, sir.
- Right is Yes binder Yes, Bolin. Yes, drummy. Yes clarity. Yes Davis. Yes
- That passes eight zero as well. Thank you. Mr. Midas. Is there another motion? Mr. Sasseberg So resolution
- To review our policy on siding drivers in particular for alignment with our safe streets for all and
- vision zero goals Is there a second for that motion second we have a motion in a second will the secretary
- please call the roll on that third motion third resolution copy
- No, Mr. Midas Yes binder. Yes Volant. Yes drumming. Yes clarity. Yes Davis. Yes, Stasberg. Yes that
- Resolution or that motion passes 7-1 for a resolution. Are there any further motions? Last call seeing none
- Thank you for bringing this this item to our attention. We appreciate it and we appreciate your patience
- We now move to the last item in cases TCP 25 16 the local motion grant program application review and
- funding allocations I see mr. Duncan back at the podium. Hi there again Hank Duncan safe streets program
- manager I'll go through a quick background of the
- Grant program and then allow these wonderful applicants to spend some time and advocate for their grants
- The city funds local initiatives that promote walking and bicycling culture in Bloomington through the
- local motion grant program The primary goal of the local motion grant program is to advance bicycle
- and pedestrian mobility The this program intends to provide direct support to initiatives that focus
- on cultural day-to-day or other locally based activities that also aim to strengthen our diverse and
- vibrant bicycling and walking culture and
- It is open to nonprofit organizations, locally owned businesses, and neighborhood associations for projects
- that take place within Bloomington city limits. The locomotion grant program experiences one grant cycle
- annually and requests are limited to one project application per cycle. Grant awards are capped at a
- total maximum of $2,400 per project application. Historically, applications and funding allocations
- were reviewed as part of the Bicycle and Pedestrian Safety Commission regular meeting business.
- In accordance with inheriting the obligations of the bike and ped Commission staff have assumed that
- the Transportation Commission is now tasked with supervising the locomotion grant program Applications
- presented to the Commission for consideration are from the following groups the downtown branch of the
- Monroe County Public Library I'm sorry if I get the pronunciation wrong Canarps moto club Summit Hill
- Community Development Corporation the boys and girls clubs of Bloomington and
- Mabel Heights Neighborhood Association, Monroe County YMCA, and the Bloomington Bicycle Project. All
- seven applicants have requested $2,400 for a combined total of $14,400. Due to the high volume and quality
- of applications for this 2025 grant cycle, the Planning and Transportation Department has increased
- the total available amount of funding to $8,000.
- Consequently staff have solicited the commission to prioritize which groups should receive funding and
- how much funding should be allocated to each project proposal Pursuant to the formal adoption of the
- responsibility to coordinate and supervise the program staff requests that commissioners review the
- guidelines for the 2025 locomotion grant program approve specific applications for the disbursement
- of grant funds by the Planning and Transportation Department and recommend a specific allocation of funds
- Before we go into individual presentations. I want to Allow you all to ask any questions about the grant
- program itself Thank you for the presentation mr. Duncan are there questions about the grant program
- from commissioners Miss Davis Are any of the current applicants previous recipients of this grant yes,
- and I don't I
- a complete list from before I was at the city but from when I was at the city and maybe a couple of
- years prior the Monroe County Public Library has received grants from this program The boys and girls
- clubs of Bloomington has received grants from this program The Monroe County YMCA has been a past recipient
- and the Bloomington bike project has been a past recipient I don't believe I missed anybody there Thank
- you questions from other members
- No other questions about the grant program. What's it? I do have a question. What's the total funding
- available? $8,000 per person or altogether altogether Originally, it was $2,400 but after seeing the
- high volume and quality of applications we allocated some extra funds for this program, okay and Okay,
- that's fine. So can you do want to continue or is that I don't know what to do with this
- That is all I had I'm going to throw it to Iris to organize the presentations and then the applicants
- will come up and Talk about their projects. Oh, I see. Okay Ask a question mr. Drumming So then is the
- idea that we will decide that decide how to allocate these funds this evening? preferably yes in
- Worksheet was provided in the packet to sort of help guide facility like facilitating this part because
- I recognized it It can be a little much to think about. Yeah I will add the caveat if you all need until
- next month to decide Formally that time is available but logistically to get grants out before the end
- of the calendar year It is easier on staff and applicants if you decide tonight
- Point out that we have no meeting scheduled after this until January. It is very preferable that you
- decide to know We need to decide tonight and with that I am very sorry that this meeting is taken as
- long as it has for us to get to this I think we could have scheduled it differently, but any rate miss
- Davis just a quick question Would it be possible to award? less than $2,400 yes, so for example if
- Commission said well, let's give four groups $2,000 that would be an option any Allocation disbursement
- that you all come up with that is allowed now. There are some projects that are I Would say more doable
- executable with partial funding than others So keep that in mind, but yes, you can choose any disbursement
- that you all want
- Thank you any further questions before we Go forward with this Miss Davis, is it the time where you
- want to make your announcement? Yes, I point of order mr. Chair, I Have a I I'm not sure if it's conflict
- of interest, but I am involved with one of these organizations. So I will not be
- Voting But all of these projects are fantastic and I encourage us to Think about Mobility in the broadest
- possible sense. Thanks. All right, so you're accusing yourself then that's what you're saying That is
- what I'm doing. All right, so Mr. Chair, sorry to interrupt. I also a point of order similarly. I'm
- also involved in one of these organizations and I will I
- for the same reason also be recusing myself from this. So dropping like flies, okay. All right, so we're
- down to six. Anybody else wanna recuse themselves while we're at it? We can at least retain quorum?
- All right. With that then, I guess we can simply invite each presenter. Yeah, staff are prepared to
- present materials in the order they were sort of listed in the staff report with
- The Monroe County Public Library up first for a presentation if that's amenable Were they given
- an expectation of how much time they would have to present they they have been given the expectation
- that they have about five minutes I believe all right, so we'll if you'll run the clock for five minutes
- Yes, mr. Jackson
- Thank you. My name is Chris Jackson. I am the Outreach Services Manager at Monroe County Public Library,
- and my proposal for the Local Motion Grant is funding for free community Rolators. I assume that all
- of you know what a Rolator is, but you may not have been familiar with the name. Trying to get the slides
- here to move.
- There we go. So a rollator is a form of a walker. It's sort of an enhanced walker, enhanced by having
- four wheels, whereas most traditional walkers have either no wheels or two wheels. They also have hand
- brakes that allow the user to stop the rollator from rolling, which can be very important if you're
- in an unstable setting or on any sort of incline. They also have an integrated seat, so the user who
- may have stamina or strength issues can take a rest safely wherever they may
- And not have to find some other place to sit down They are a device that is now very commonly used and
- for which there is a high demand
- So why is the library guy asking for mobility aids? Well, it comes into another aspect of my job, which
- is the library's ADA coordinator, where I also sit on the city of Bloomington Council for Community
- Accessibility. And there, at CCA meetings, a group of wheelchair users who are regular participants,
- including one, Ms. Davis, which is why she's accusing herself, were talking about the fact that they
- all collectively have a lot of mobility aids that they've used
- over the years but are no longer currently using. They're collecting dust in closets and garages, too
- valuable to throw away but no easy way to get them to somebody who could benefit. So that group of CCA
- members decided to do something about their dilemma and created a local nonprofit called
- mall, which stands for Mobility AIDS Lending Library. Being a part of the same council, I heard the
- word library and my ears certainly popped up and I realized that this was a good fit with the library
- initiative that many libraries, including ours, is doing, which is a library of things. We don't just
- circulate books and movies anymore. We also circulate in our library binoculars and ukuleles and cellular
- hotspots and iPads and all sorts of non-traditional things that the
- Has a need for so what a great thing for us to distribute mobility aids that can benefit people who
- have health mobility disability things that prevent them from making full use of What they can experience?
- So here's a picture of our library of things room. This is a brand new space that we just moved it into
- last week, along with some signage. You'll see canes and crutches and walkers. What you don't see in
- that picture is Rolators. Those are the four categories of things that we collect.
- but we can't keep roll laters in stock because the demand is too high. Now, we don't purchase any of
- these materials. They are all donations, and because we give them out for an indefinite period, unlike
- most library loans, because it would be cruel to give somebody a cane and then say, but you need to
- bring it back in three weeks, whether you're done with it or not, it's not an appropriate use, we feel,
- for our regular collections budget with which we buy the books and movies and other things.
- So if we were to get a local motion grant, we would use it to buy as many rollers as we could. They're
- about $100 each, and we have a local vendor that's been part of the mall program that works with us
- and gives us a good price on those. And the outcomes would be enhanced mobility, independence, safety,
- and exercise for people with mobility limitations, whether it be a temporary or a permanent limitation.
- And essentially, it would, we feel, enhance the community of walkers in the city of Bloomington.
- So thank you for the opportunity to present this proposal Thank you, mr. Jackson. I appreciate it. Can
- we go to the second order? Do we take questions? No, I believe the protocol here was to simply observe
- all the presentations. All right. Thank you Let's go to the second presenter and the Knarps Motor Club
- Is there someone here from the Knarps Motor Club? To present Maybe they're online
- There was no prior coordination from a representative from this group. So staff are not aware of someone
- Hoping to participate virtually at this time. Okay, can we then move to the next one some Hill Community
- Development Corporation? Is there someone here? Yes, there is I
- I'm Rhonda Moore, Capital Assets Manager for the Bloomington Housing Authority. And I'm here on behalf
- of our sister company, Summit Hill Community Development Corporation. We would like to apply for a bike
- repair station.
- and a control baller just sitting next to it. We'd like to place that just off Monroe Street and our
- Crestmont complex right behind the Crestmont Community Building. We have a lot of bicycle and, what
- am I trying to think, mopeds, scooters that,
- and they all could use a bike repair station. So that would be really beneficial in that area. I selected
- that area because I have an 18 by seven foot spot in the parking lot that's not quite wide enough for
- a vehicle. And I'd like to place the repair station
- with a control bollard to protect it, and it's also in an area with several surveillance cameras, so
- it should be well protected. The total amount for the repair station and the control bollard is $2,820.23,
- so we've applied for the 24 and then the additional
- 400 and change would be our in-kind contribution and I would have our maintenance staff install those.
- They both come with mounting hardware to install on concrete. Let's see, that's like the highlights
- I've got. Does anybody have any questions? We're not taking questions at this time. Oh, okay.
- Thank you, we're just taking presentations. Let's go now to the next presentation. That would be the
- Boys and Girls Club of Bloomington. Is there someone here ready to present? To the right. Hi, my name
- is Wendy Druckmiller and I am the Grants and Impact Director for the Boys and Girls Clubs of Bloomington.
- And so tonight I'm going to talk a little bit about what our mission is How we build capacity for healthy
- lifestyles the benefits of riding bikes and our project description, which is the club riders program
- So the mission of the boys and girls clubs of Bloomington is to empower all young people especially
- those who need us most to reach their full potential as caring productive and responsible citizens and
- So our mission aligns with the Boys and Girls Clubs of America's vision to have local clubs like ours
- be places where a child's individual circumstances do not determine their access to experiences.
- With that, we plan our programs with a mindset to support academic achievement, preparing for life after
- high school, developing good character and learning what it means to be a good citizen, and building
- healthy habits early that lead to a desire to be physically active and positive health outcomes that
- extend into adulthood.
- So why do we need healthy lifestyles programs? I have my glasses on, so hopefully I can read everything
- that I wrote here. But healthy, active children experience benefits like increased levels of academic
- achievement, fewer behavioral problems, better health outcomes in adulthood, improved sleep hygiene,
- and stress reduction and emotional well-being. However, today's youth are less healthy than in previous
- decades. Less than one-third of school-age children get the daily recommended amount of physical activity,
- Over the last 40 years, the number of youths affected by obesity has more than tripled, and sedentary
- behaviors such as large amounts spent on screens are on the rise. So the Boys and Girls Clubs of Bloomington
- fills an important role in our community by providing affordable, accessible childcare in a fun and
- safe environment.
- We just charged $20 for an annual membership, which includes transportation from their school site,
- a daily snack or a meal, and participation in dynamic program choices Monday through Friday during the
- school year and during summer and school breaks. We also walk the walk by modeling healthy choices through
- engagement and partnerships with staff, volunteers, and community organizations that are committed to
- nurturing healthy outcomes for Bloomington's youth.
- As you all probably know, there's lots of benefits to riding bikes. It improves coordination and balance.
- It also builds endurance and increases lung capacity. It gets kids outside, leading to better sleep
- hygiene and overall stress reduction. Riding a bike is a great way to begin adopting healthy habits,
- and youth who ride bikes regularly experience greater connection to the community and have opportunities
- for socializing with their peers.
- We offer healthy lifestyles programs that appeal to a wide-wage range of interests including cutters
- soccer first tee golf upward basketball and cheerleading Yoga dance martial arts volleyball gymnastics
- floor hockey and biking through our club riders program, which is what we're talking about tonight So
- the club riders program focuses on creating new experiences for members Allowing them to explore Bloomington
- is safe group setting members learn about safety bike etiquette route planning and bike maintenance
- both in club and community settings
- This is just a little bit about the two clubs that we're requesting funding for there's the Ferguson
- Crestmont Club has looks like 549 registered members currently 30 388 of them youth and 161 teen members
- and our Lincoln Street Club has 1497 registered members 1198 youth and 299 teen members and
- A high percentage of the members who attend these clubs do not have access to riding bikes outside of
- the experience that they have at the club due to time and money limitations Combined between these two
- clubs nearly 500 households fall into the low to moderate income category Over 800 members are eligible
- for free or reduced price lunch and just over 600 are single-parent households This is just a little
- bit about a project timeline so in you know, our funding is to request to support staffing costs and
- Both the Lincoln Street and the Ferguson Crestmont Club. We do have in-kind donations of bikes and helmets
- that are being donated Our project timeline is to begin in January 2026 by hiring two additional youth
- development staff members to run the club writers at our Ferguson Crestmont and Lincoln Street clubs
- with registration opening up to families in January and Having an additional 20
- Members go through the program by inner within our spring semester So club writers present some challenges
- compared to other programs that can be ran indoors or with larger group while continuing to keep kids safe
- For one thing, our staff to youth ratios are lower while in the community compared to in buildings.
- And with the club riders program, where factors like traffic and inexperienced riders come into play,
- the ratio is even lower, which is one to 10. There's also bike repairs and safety gear to consider.
- However, through our partnerships and with your support, we were able to provide the experience to 140
- members last year. The vision of the Boys and Girls Clubs of Bloomington is that we are a place where
- hope begins and transformation never ends. Thank you very much. Thank you, just in time.
- Pardon me just in time All right. Thank you. Let's go to the next proposal and that would be the Maple
- Heights neighborhood association. Is that right? Yeah heights. Is there someone here from Maple Heights
- who wants to present or online perhaps Is there any person attending this meeting online who is here
- to present on behalf of the Maple Heights neighborhood association They are
- I'm sorry, I didn't hear. Hello, can you hear me? Yes, please go ahead. You'll have five minutes. Thanks.
- I'm going to try to share my screen. My name is Liberty Flora. I'm a resident of the Maple
- Heights neighborhood. I am coming to you today to apply for an application to prepare and paint the
- 11th Street Bridge.
- Just one second. I know I'm burning time, everybody. Thank you for allowing me to be here. I know we're
- all busy and it's a late night. So can you see this? Yes. Okay. So as a quick background, the 11th Street
- bridge is on the corner of 11th and Fairview.
- It's a thoroughfare for many pedestrians using the beeline trail, going to the trades district, going
- downtown, or even using Butler Park. The underpass of the train bridge creates a sense of, it doesn't
- create a sense of safety for pedestrians and bikers alike. So I've experienced this as well as many
- of my neighbors who have mentioned it in,
- have also explained that they were reaching out to the Indiana Railroad without any luck and achieving
- any kind of response from them. So I, this fall, reached out to the Indiana Railroad to kind of probe
- them with an idea of removing the old paint and then preparing for a future mural or some sort of paint
- on this project.
- So I was successfully able to contact the Indiana Railroad. They are willing to provide some health
- and safety features such as waivers, making sure that everyone on site who volunteers is, I guess, safe
- in any kind of, when they participate in this. So I thought of it as an opportunity to move forward, even if
- funding is split and is not the full amount of funds that I requested is granted completely because
- what we're trying to do here is share this information with the public and let them know that we as
- a neighborhood association care about not only the safety of pedestrians, but the way our neighborhood
- looks and feels to people who have been here and people who are coming
- through here and will be here in the future. So basically the goal is to coordinate, continue coordination
- with the Indiana Railroad. We can't complete this without them, but so far they are on board. And then
- also market to the public and come up with some other funds because this is, as you can see on the right, it's
- just an estimate of $4,000 just to remove the paint and put on a blank slate. So through multiple iterations
- with my neighborhood association, we thought it would be a good idea to also apply for the neighborhood
- improvement grant, which would, if we were to receive that also, would put us closer to our goal of
- putting in a mural. So having someone, whether it be one person or a multiple group of people do a mural
- at this location and seal it so that it's going to withstand potential graffiti or weather conditions
- that have caused it to get to this place in the first place. So it's going to be a year long process,
- but we thought this was a good opportunity to get our feet
- you know get things rolling and and Really have the Indiana Railroad on board with what we're doing
- and build trust within them And so that's why I applied for the local motion grant And I think I'm probably
- at my five minutes So I want to thank you all very much and hope you all get home soon to your families
- and loved ones Thank you very much. Thank you. You had more than a minute left, but we'll take that
- time That's okay
- Let's go now to the Monroe County YMCA. Please come to the podium. You'll have five minutes.
- And the last one, the Bloomington Bike Project. Is there someone here from that group? Great. My name
- is Kevin Vail, and I am the development director at the Monroe County YMCA. I first want to thank the
- Bloomington Bicycle and Pedestrian Safety Commission, the Transportation Commission for this awesome
- opportunity for both the YMCA
- all these incredible, worthy organizations here in Bloomington. The YMCA is applying for Healthy Kids
- Day, which is on April 18th, 2026. The goal of Healthy Kids Day is pretty simple. It's to improve the
- health and well-being of kids and families. It's a free community event with numerous activities for
- both kids and their families. These activities range from STEM to family contests.
- With the understanding that well-being extends beyond fitness within fitness Focus has been placed at
- the YMCA that Fitness extends beyond structured exercise or structured sport for children that often
- represents play and things like bicycles We're placing a focus on
- Cardio moderate to high cardio fitness activities That again extend beyond structured sport and this
- is where we want to involve bicycles in our healthy kids today Anecdotally, we're learning more and
- more that children participating in our summer camps
- Can't ride a bicycle at an age that one would expect a child to be able to ride a bicycle And this can
- happen for a number of reasons. They simply just don't know how they don't have a bike or they don't
- have a working bike With our healthy kids day. We intend to involve bicycles because of this IU health
- will be doing free helmet and
- Fittings and giveaways and we intend to have a local bike shop or bike club doing light-duty tune-ups
- and safety inspections Again our goal is to advocate for health and wellness outcomes extending beyond
- the four walls of the YMCA teaching children skills and encouraging skills for families to become healthier
- versions of themselves
- We are fortunate enough at the Y to have 6,000 local households as active members representing 16,000
- individuals Robust marketing efforts will take place for this event to that population and to the community
- at large Recognizing this grant opportunity all along the way. We intend to move forward With Healthy
- Kids Day in 2026 and hope the Commission can help the Y incorporate bike safety functionality and access
- into our event. Thank you
- Thank you. Our final presentation is from the Bloomington bike club. Bike project, sorry. Bloomington
- bike project. I think I have some slides. I don't know if you have them or not. If you don't have them,
- I can go off the cuff. That's okay.
- That's that's just fine. We'll go with those slides. There were some pretty pictures of the bike project,
- but I'll just paint that picture for you I'm Greg Janowiak here with the Bloomington bike project for
- those of you who are not familiar the bike project is a fully volunteer supported bike shop about a
- block and a half that way we Are open three days a week and also on Saturday for three hours
- Folks come into our bike shop To use our tools and to fix their bicycles. They get a little help from
- our volunteer mechanics Some folks also come in to purchase a bicycle Or components all of our bicycles
- and components are listed at well below market value They're really affordable something that people
- like about this particular place in town. So what are we applying for? We need help
- Fixing some things so that we can continue fixing bikes The three things that are top of our list right
- now is our air compressor our bike work stands and Our consumables that are commonly used by folks who
- visit the bike project So the air compressor you might think of why do we need an air compressor if
- you have pumps? Well, I
- We're open for two hours a shift when we are open and so efficiency is key If we're fighting over pumps
- or looking at you know for pumps around the shop We're losing valuable time. The air compressor is important
- to us. In addition, it's also available for use 24 hours a day seven days a week The way we have it
- set up at our location same thing with the work stands They've been in heavy use for many years now
- and either need repaired or replaced So we're looking to repair and replace some of those
- Our consumables that are really popular but not often donated are things like lights lubricants and
- locks All things that folks need to get around town on their bicycles safely and many of the visitors
- that we have to the bike project are riding their bicycles as a primary form of transportation around
- Bloomington
- So we expect that the air compressor is probably the most Expensive thing to fix here Followed by our
- work stands and then the remaining part of the budget for consumables But really what we're looking
- for is we'd love to see this local motion program go Directly to support the the parts of our organization
- they get folks back out on their bikes So I'm really looking forward to that
- Just want to thank everyone for being here listening to to our proposal and looking forward to working
- with you all in the future Thank you for the presentation all right, so we have seven worthy applicants
- and we've heard presentations from six I think We could split up eight thousand dollars evenly and
- 48 percent 48 48 percent of each request most most of them are asking for the full 2400 we could fund
- three and a third in full Whatever the third means or we could do something else I'm not sure how the
- prior Commission did this if there's someone who was on the bike pet Commission who has done these before
- Mr. Duncan, maybe you can advise us Hi, I would recommend
- Asking any questions you have for the applicants now and then go into deliberations after so we can
- send them home if they want to leave Okay, after you ask them questions just recommendations But could
- I invite the the applicants over here to come closer to the microphone in case we have a question for
- you? Because we'd like to try to minimize the amount of time Here. All right. Are there any questions
- from members to any of the applicants? I
- Mr. Coppock, maybe of the staff how many of the applicants have been funded before Of the current applicants
- the YMCA the Bloomington bike project boys and girls club and Monroe County Public Library have been
- funded before Any other questions from members mr. Flaherty
- Yeah briefly for the Mender Carney YMCA and noted your Application said that your budget goal for why
- for all in 2026 is $125,000 and this would be a good jumpstart towards that way. Could you could you
- describe it all like I'm asking because it's a bit different than some of the other applications that
- have total project budgets of three or four thousand dollars and curious for how you imagine this fitting
- into the overall fundraising or development plan and where else you anticipate you might be able to
- Raise funds or where you might fall short that yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So when looking at why for all
- a The vast vast majority of those dollars that we receive come from individual gifts Mostly our members
- some former members who moved away it could come through charitable trusts from people who pass on but
- in the vast majority of instances it does come from individual gifts we've
- Place the focus on seeking more local dollars to support those why for all scholarship initiatives why
- for all fun for anyone that's not familiar Provide scholarships to people in the community who are not
- able to afford the wise services every year we send kids to camp summer camp we send a ton of seniors
- we don't put guardrails on who could apply for why for all we encourage everyone and
- Anyone who's in a position of need to apply but most often seeing see it affecting children for summer
- camp Single-parent households and seniors on limited incomes. So the goal would be to use up the dollars
- that are available to Prepare for Healthy Kids Day and every any overage wouldn't go to operations.
- It would go to that why for all scholarship fund
- Got it. And is there a Healthy Kids Day specific budget like a smaller landing under that one's for
- that is one thing that we're still ironing out, you know, Healthy Kids Day is planned for 2026, but
- it'll be covered through operations. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it further questions I've got
- one if I've got a question for the library, mr. Jackson
- What is the current waiting list for roll leaders?
- We had two come in last week and they went out right away. So I don't currently have anyone on the waiting
- list We've had up to three or four people on the list at one time It is of the four categories of items
- that we distribute Canes crutches walkers and rollators. It is the one where we don't get donations
- sufficient to to meet the demand We did get a grant from another entity two years ago when we were just
- starting from the wall charitable trust that allowed us to purchase
- which is 25 rollators, those had all gone out within about six months of their receipt. I would also
- like to say that we sometimes get items back. People do sometimes need them for a short period of time
- to recover from an accident or a surgery or something like that. So it's not a goes out once and only
- benefits one person situation. Probably about one fourth of them do circulate to more than one person.
- So you don't really have a sense of the pent-up demand because that you don't keep a waiting list Well,
- we do when when when we have people who want them and we don't have them in stock Currently, it's it's
- almost parity but but not quite so it's it's the one item where we do sometimes have a waiting list
- even though we Currently we have nobody on the waiting list, but we also have no roll layers.
- So got it. Thank you. Sure any further questions from members for any of the
- applicants Seeing none it does this subject to public comment All right, let's open the floor to public
- comment for people who are not already spoken There's nobody in the room who's not an applicant. So
- if there anybody online who would like to comment on These allocations. Oh, is there a member of the
- public who okay? Oh
- Please come and state your name. If you're online, please raise your hand in zoom and the secretary
- will call your name as soon as possible You'll have three minutes. Please state your name Thank you,
- David Brandt as I Just wanted to speak in support of the Bloomington bike project They are a very scrappy
- group of people that help people multiple times a week and you know, these are
- the customers that are coming in are wanting to walk and bike and sometimes we see scooters there as
- well. But it is a very useful resource that people are like trying to fix their bikes so that they can
- get home that day. So I think this is a very quick and dirty solution to make sure that they can keep
- running as they run now. I also want to voice some support for
- the library as well, I think that's a very cool low-waste solution that serves some older folks or people
- with mobility issues that aren't commonly a part of all of these other, I would say, like walking and
- biking conversations, so I learned about that today and thought that was a very cool program, so thank you.
- Thank you. Is there any other public comment? Is there anybody on zoom who wishes to speak? Last call
- for public comment on TCP 2516 local motion grant program application review and funding allocations
- Seeing then we'll come back to the Commission and those who have not recused themselves for Debate How
- do we split this money?
- I'm looking for comments my comment drumming would would be the full amount of the request is 2400 2400
- is the max they can ask for we have 8,000 total to allocate and I'm not one that likes to split the
- baby generally But what if we one way to solve this problem would be or because of they're all I appreciate
- you all being here is giving the groups that have never received this grant the full amount of the funding and
- And then dividing up the rest equally amongst the other applicants would be one way mathematically to
- do it But I'm open to you. I would love to hear everyone's ideas Any other ideas There's only six of
- us mr. Stossberg, yeah one of the Criteria we're looking at is capacity I think that individuals applying
- are at a disadvantage
- The narps moto club seemed to be primarily an individual wanting to do one event So that only heightened
- my concern About their capacity to to do that with no one showing up. So I would recommend Against funding
- that one-off event Any other thoughts
- If there's no in forthcoming, I'll make a couple thoughts. I tend to prefer to fund infrastructure over
- operating For dollars like this So, I mean I very much Find the NARP's proposal interesting But it's
- like one-time event whereas the two projects that are talking about bicycle repair stations and
- Those are going to be ongoing and long-lasting and tangible So I tend to prefer the proposals that are
- asking for money for buying equipment So The bike project the neighborhood association the the bicycle
- repair shop at Summit Hill and the rolling walkers and
- Like I don't want to not fund anything else I think that there's a couple that really only will happen
- if we give them the full 2400 So I don't know what to do about that. I don't know if the event will
- happen if they get less than the full amount But I think we should evaluate there too. Can I just get
- a quick poll? Which of the three that haven't been funded before? The Knarps moto club, I think is one
- Summit Hill and Maple Heights
- Those three are new. Yeah, okay. That helps me. Anyway, those are some of my thoughts anybody else who
- hasn't spoken yet Who is eligible to vote mr. Midas? Oh, mr. Flaherty, I believe every Applicant did
- say they they would be willing and able to complete the project with partial funding. Okay, good I'm
- sure there's an amount of money. It could be small enough that that might not be true Okay, any other
- comments The Maple Heights project just I think it's wonderful project I use the bridge a lot but it
- seems like it may align more with some of the city's beautification grants since it's more focused on
- getting rid of graffiti and beautification and just a thought I Don't see it as much aligning with the
- local motion specifically Any thoughts about which
- Which proposals would be able to better benefit from partial funding or not better benefit but would
- Not suffer from only being partially funded This is this is a really hard way to do this in one meeting
- I wish we had more time Is it possible that we can?
- Call another meeting Just to talk about this in December staff Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely Because
- this is a difficult decision I don't know how many of us after having heard the presentations are really
- willing to make the decision tonight Do members have any thoughts about Making a decision in December.
- I think it would be best to what's that?
- I think it'd be best to finish our discussion tonight. I think as a meeting for an $8,000 budget is
- a little Operationally heavy. Okay, so Anybody else have an opinion? We can keep going If there's no
- other opinions I need a motion I Need a proposal for how to split this money up
- I can't meet the proposal myself on the chair We're not going to do it this way next year I Would have
- a proposal mr. Drummond partial proposal I would propose that we fund the Bloomington bike project in
- the Monroe County Library project in full That's $4,800, okay and
- Equally distribute the remaining portion of it to the remaining projects, which would be Summit Hill
- Maple Heights YMCA and Boys and Girls Club. Can someone do the math on that? So that would be thirty
- two hundred dollars divided by five which would be Six hundred and forty. Sorry. I think we've kind
- of said we'll take NARP's maybe off of the table for consideration and
- Okay, so I'm hearing a $800 for four other groups and $2,400 for the library roll leaders the Wilmington
- bike project That sounds like a proposal. Mr. Flaherty. I like the general direction of this proposal.
- I would have put summit hill and Higher on the list of like there's this is
- Sort of a something close to full funding to get the the project done and So I would have leaned here's
- a counter proposal. Okay Nothing to NARPs or Maple Heights I'll just second the comments early about
- maple heights that maybe there's a better fit and also they signaled the Desire to actually do this
- as a mural ultimately and I wonder about this being folded into the mural project I know that wasn't
- their aim but
- So my proposal would be actually 2,000 each to the library summit hill and bike project with 1,000 each
- going to Boys and girls club and YMCA. I think both of which are really great projects but Sort of in
- the context of a larger operational setting for programmatic things So okay. So once again your proposal
- is the library 2k NARPs zero
- Summit Hill 1k. Nope. Summit Hill 2k 2k Boys and Girls Club 1k Maple Heights 0 0 YMCA 1k white project
- 2k and that's 8,000. Okay, I Would I would second that if it was a motion? Okay. Well, let's sure we're
- still in discussion phase Let's before we put motions of the table that we have to vote on just seeing
- if we can get a consensus so I've got the Johnny's sure Midas proposal, which is
- 2,400 for the library 2,400 for the bike project and then 800 each for the other four. I'll withdraw
- my proposal Yeah, I like Are you see two motions? All right. So once again just to One more time if
- you would restate your proposal Would we like a motion or would folks like that discussion? Well, I
- is there any further discussion any other ideas for among the six who can vote?
- Okay, I move we allocate the $8,000 budget as follows 2002 public library 0 to NARPs 2000 to Summit
- Hill 1000 to boys and girls clubs 0 to Maple Heights 1000 to YMCA 2000 to bike project and There's a
- second second. Who's the second? Second mr. Minus is the second. All right
- We've already have public comment. So I guess it's time for a vote Okay, well the secretary, please
- call the roll on the motion Binder Epstein. Oh, sorry. That was the note I had and then I read it at
- Bowlin Yes, draw me yes Flaherty. Yes Stossberg. Yes Coppock
- Yes, yes All right that motion passes six zero Congratulations to those who have won a grant or condolences
- those who haven't we thank you all for your time and your Consideration tonight. We appreciate your
- patience as well We now move to items discussion of topics not on the docket. Are there any Any issues
- that members want to raise mr. Flaherty I
- Had a short one I hope short in the context of our commission getting its footing and transitioning
- into next year And also an item that was when we were looking at the schedule earlier Staff had the
- kind of lineup for like agenda items. I'll actually you know, and then packet items submitted and I'm
- I realized I'm not clear on the process if there if there is one for suggesting agenda items for getting
- things in the packet and
- Does that go to the chair? How is that coordinated? I guess how are we creating agendas? I know there's
- petitions coming from staff, but what's the role of commissioners in the chair? Yeah, I can clarify
- that so in at the bottom of that schedule that includes all the deadlines is the Bloomington short link
- with TC appeal and that is a unique form that all commissioners and staff can use to submit a
- To request items be put on the agenda on a monthly basis The liaisons are meeting to settle out what
- is an appropriate agenda for the month that's an advance, you know following the the agenda deadline
- and There has been Nothing requested that we haven't been able to incorporate into the planning process
- so far but in terms of
- What it looks like everyone who requests we put on the agenda isn't notified when it will be Eventually
- heard it's the idea Okay, and then is the chair involved in the conversation with delays on in terms
- of like I'm thinking of the council kind of analog here of like a little bit of traffic keeping pardon
- the transportation pun of like Look, we have pretty long night tonight for instance also know it's the
- last night of the last meeting of the year every had business to get through and I'm
- lengthening it now but I'm just wondering about the role of the chair and in particular from the council
- perspective have always been a little sensitive to making sure there's some degree of independence and
- ability to Impact the the shape of a commission's work on top of whatever the exact, you know staff
- and executive branch is bringing yeah, so this is a Something that the city engineer is is I think written
- into code is ultimately deciding the agenda and
- There's a couple reasons for that logistically, but principally trying to maintain sort of a boundary
- between, you know, what's like an administrative procedure and what could be perceived as a business,
- a discussion of business. So far we've just been able to maintain this as a formality in terms of discussing
- topics. I don't know, Andrew, if you want to speak into it any further.
- I can also follow up via email. Sorry. I was just trying to get a little better sense for yeah agenda
- sourcing Other three visit code to address the thing you just mentioned but okay So right now it's it's
- done entirely by staff with commissioners having the ability all commissioners having the abilities
- Request an agenda item. Is that right? That is correct. Okay. Thank you Any other items for topics not
- on that? We're not around the dock tonight's docket Seeing none
- We go to general public comment for items not on the docket. Is there anyone there's no one in the room
- to speak Is there anyone on zoom who would like to speak on an item that was not on tonight's agenda?
- Please raise your hand in zoom and the secretary will call your name So anyone on zoom who would like
- to speak to an item that was not on the agenda Last call Having said that let's just confirm that our
- next meeting will be January 26th
- That right in this room at 530 and that's a regular hearing and not a planning session. Is that correct?
- Okay with that we are adjourned. Happy New Year. Thank you everyone for putting up with us this first year