This meeting will come to order. This is a regular hearing of the city of Bloomington Transportation
Commission. Will the clerk please call the roll? I'm a secretary, but yes secretary the secretary, please
call the roll topic Here mr. Midas binder here Boland here drumming here Flaherty here Davis here Stossburg here
We have quorum our agenda includes approval of minutes from the previous meeting reports and communications
from commissioners and from staff including an update on 180 day orders and the intersection of East
17th Street and North Eagleson Avenue five cases on the agenda tonight TCR 2512 the 2026 meeting calendar
for the Commission TCR 2513 East 19th Street on Street parking from Washington to Lincoln TCP 2514 the
10th Street corridor study from Morton Street to Park Avenue
TCI 2515 the College Mall and Covenanter intersection improvements and TCP 2516 the local motion grant
program application review and funding allocations will then go to discussion of topics not on the docket
general public comment on items not on the docket and Adjournment with that. Let's go to approval of
minutes. Do we have any minutes for approval? We do
Yeah, I move that the minutes be approved Second motion and a second for the minutes of October 20th
2025. Are there any Corrections to the minutes to my right To my left Can we do this by voice vote or
do we need a roll call vote all in favor of approve the minutes, please signify by saying aye Opposed say nay
Eyes have it the minutes are approved. We now go to reports from commissioners Is there any commissioner
who would like to make a report on my right? I See we have a new commissioner here. I don't know if
mr. Binder would like to introduce himself happy to Steve Thank you. My name is a bond binder first
time on this commission Did serve on the parking commission as well for six or seven years now, so happy
to be here. Thank you
To my left any reports from commissioners I will just say that I have been trying to research
the foundational documents that this Commission relies upon for making its decisions that includes the
climate action plan there are close to 50 items that just in the section of
transportation of climate action plan that I think it's our obligation to be overseeing and so I Want
to float the idea without opening it up for discussion just reporting that I think it might be useful
if we were to consider Breaking down into groups to tackle certain parts of the Agenda that it's appearing
increasingly massive to me for this Commission
I want to talk with commissioners and with staff about maybe Forming groups to focus on certain aspects
of them We saw in the meeting just now with the Planning session about parking that it's a particular
focus for some members not for others. So I just wanted to bring that everybody's attention and I'll
be soliciting that kind of feedback from commissioners and
Over the next couple of months Any other reports anybody last call let's go now to reports from staff.
We have 180-day order update I assume that is from director of engineering Andrew Seaborr. Mr. Seaborr.
Hello Good evening, Andrew Seaborr City engineer just here to provide a quick update on 180-day orders
since our last meeting one new order has been established
Creating some additional on-street parking spaces on South Washington Street just for about half a block
south of 4th Street This essentially took what was a very long-term lane and made it shorter And mirrors
a recent curb extension bulb out at the 4th Street intersection just to better utilize that space So
that has been in place and I also extended an order regarding some on-street parking over by Mills pool
that was instituted before the summer
Just to keep it in place happy to answer any questions Any questions on 188 orders to my left? To my
right Seeing none. Thanks for that update. Let's go now to the intersection of East 17th and North Eagleson.
Is this a report? This is this is a report
I just wanted to provide a staff report and some interest that we've been hearing about the intersection
of 17th Street and Eagleson Just for background in case not everybody here is aware Within about a 12-month
time frame. There were a series of two very serious crashes involving pedestrians Being struck at this
intersection in both cases the crashes happened around midnight the weekend of a home you football game and
both crashes involved multiple pedestrians being struck and being very severely injured and both crashes
occurred in the eastern crosswalk of the intersection and Involved westbound moving traffic. So just
some background the most recent one happened on October 18th of this year and last year There was a
very similar crash in November 9th
So so with that background that certainly there's been some some recent interest from the community
if you haven't seen there is a Very significant petition on change org that had roughly 8,000 people
requesting some some change to that intersection. So so that's the background I think one thing I wanted
to jump into was just helps us frame things is the city safe streets for all plan, which is a guiding
document that
I think very much directly relates to the the goals of this commission And helps us identify what is
what is most important? So so in that document, there's a series of maps. I'm going to quickly go through
a few of them This is a map that captures all fatal in series injury crashes in the city over a period
of from 2019 to 2023 on each of these I've circled the area of interest I'm really focusing on the 17th
and Eagle. It's an intersection as well as 17th and Baker
just for some context. So you can see, during that time frame, there were no reported serious injury
or fatal crashes at the intersection of Eagleson, but there was one at the intersection of David Baker.
If you go over time, I think I mentioned in my report, there maybe have been more crashes actually at
the David Baker intersection than at the intersection of Eagleson, depending on how far you look. Some
years it's more, some years it's less at each of them, but they are very similar to each other.
both in severity, number, and type with multiple pedestrians at each. So this is another map from the
Safe Streets for All plan identifying high-injury network. So this is trying just to identify where
crashes have occurred that resulted in high injuries. Here you can see that there were some in the vicinity,
but the intersection of 17th and Eagleson is not identified. This map captures all modes of crashes.
The next map
captures vulnerable road users. So you can see that there were some. You see more color there on the
17th Street corridor, not necessarily at the Eagleson intersection. One thing I want to point out, too,
as I fly through these fairly quickly, too, is just for context, other streets that we'll be talking
later today, like 10th Street, you can see, tend to be identified, other corridors that we'll be talking
about later with this commission, future meetings like College and Walnut, potentially Indiana,
I'll also have some trends here. So those maps I just showed you are really based on historical data.
This map was basically trying to look forward thinking what crashes are most likely to experience, those
high-injury fatal crashes. This map did not identify 17th Street or Eagleson or David Baker at this
intersection. When we combine all of these data points,
The sit these are probably the maps that I focus the most on in the in this document our priority corridors
and our priority intersections So it's really looking at what has happened what might happen community
engagement all of those things helped inform these Big picture you see that there are lines here on
17th Street and Eagleson So these are priority corridors priority intersections for for improvements
The this these corridors in particular are medium priority, but they are
Priority the intersections themselves with 17th and Eagleson 17th and David Baker are high priority
intersections So so just to note that Both of these locations are priority The city had prior to them
these recent crashes identified this area for crosswalk improvements and was starting to develop a crosswalk
improvement project we had some federal money set aside for the construction of it in a few years and
So just to know that this has been on our radar and continues to be Since since the crash happened,
I guess just wanted to to give some updates really on what's happened What I think will happen in the
in both the near and the long term So since the crashes the most recent crash happened our public works
Street Department did put in some in-street pedestrian crossing signs to help raise awareness and visibility
of those crossings and
We've asked some city crews to do some additional tree trimming just to improve some line of sight for
pedestrians that are waiting at the crosswalks We've also reached out to Duke to do a photometric analysis
just to see what the lighting conditions are there at night There is street lighting but just to evaluate
what is that lighting level should should something more or different to be evaluated there? And and
we have engaged with IU we were already planning on meeting with them independent of the crashes but
those are just some some immediate things that have actually already happened and
Looking maybe still near term. I'm still hopeful that maybe before the end of this year I need to follow
up with our public work staff, but essentially wanting to lay out we have An idea to further improve
safety in a near-term way with city crews Essentially trying to do what we would have done with a federally
funded capital project, but but more more near-term more quick build
And I'll just jump to this next slide. It starts to capture things very conceptually. But in essence,
what we're looking to do is actually to remove two of the two crosswalks, the one on the east side of
the Eagleson intersection and the crosswalk at David Baker, and consolidate them into a single crosswalk
between the two at essentially the crest of the hill.
That's where visibility is best. It's also not creating any out-of-direction travel for pedestrians,
and it also enables us to create a pedestrian island in the center of the road so that pedestrians only
need to cross one direction of time, of traffic at time, and also should helpfully help promote lower
speeds as well. We're also going to try to produce another median island on the west side of the Eagleson
intersection. There, you can see in that light blue color.
So those are things that we're hopeful that we'll be able to do this calendar year. Can't say it will
happen for sure, but expect that that, in combination with some signage and street and pavement markings.
Another idea that we're floating out there that we're not gonna be able to do this year, but maybe pursuing
further in the future is some traffic calming in the area. This is something that we've discussed with
IU just in our meetings, just as a way
Noting that speed is a real concern that some of the recent crashes speeding was a factor But before
we were to actually install traffic calming that that just requires more engagement more thoughts more
engagement with Folks like police and fire transit all those all those folks And we frankly we have
a policy that says what we need to do for public engagement So there's just some additional steps that
we're likely to going to be pursuing out there and
So I just really wanted to provide this update to this Commission No action is needed on your part at
this part time, but happy to answer any questions That I can then help out with thank you for
that informative report. Are there questions? Miss Davis, I Don't know the name of those signals that
the pedestrians can Hit and then the flashing lights come on like signal hawk signal hawk signal and
Were those considered for this? Yeah, there's considering them. There are a couple different options.
So there's the ones that are more like strobe lights Those are called rectangular rapid flashing beacons
That's probably more likely an option in the near term than the pedestrian hybrid beacon or hawks Those
are just almost as expensive as a full traffic signal
I guess the one thing I forgot to mention in my very quick report was that we're also continuing to
explore longer-term fixes This is still a near term thing that I've sketched up here long term as we
really started to dig into the crosswalk improvement project what we really found was that This intersection
specifically of 17th and Eagleson actually meets traffic signal warrants So it just essentially highlights
that the need for maybe something even more significant
Like a traffic signal like a roundabout and so I think we're gonna want to start exploring those longer
term ideas After we get this near-term fix in Did I answer your question? Thank you for the questions
from commissioners. Mr. Stossberg Yes, you mentioned this calendar year to clarify. Did you mean in
the next six weeks? Yes That's the goal though. I have not yet spoke to our Crew staff that would be doing it
Wow, okay. Thanks. Mr. Binder Mr. Siever. Thank you Rather than removing crosswalks, is it feasible
to install these islands that you've indicated here in the kind of blue color At the locations of the
existing crosswalks rather than removing crosswalks Good question
Happen in those locations that I've designated for removal. We would just then also need to remove the
left turn lane So that could be an option As opposed to that we are trying to also relocate it to a
location that I think has better visibility being at the top of the hill That was some of the thought
process Thanks
If there's no other questions, I wanted to ask could this have anything to do with the fact that the
streets as they were were built initially Under the concept that they were one street. They were formerly
North Jordan of the so-called North Jordan extension And yet there are plenty of C streets in Bloomington
that are less far apart in their Continuity then and this do you think that's playing any kind of role here? I
Think there's definitely I suspect there is a strong pattern of pedestrian activity that involves crossing
from Eagleson to David Baker Especially late at night, especially on football weekends Okay, thank you
Any other last questions if not, mr. Seymour, thank you for the report Let's go now to cases. We'll
start with TCR 2512
I make a motion to introduce TC 25 12 Second All right, we have motion in a second. Can we
have a presentation on the resolution?
I don't have a prepared presentation Especially since I'm losing my voice for a second meeting in a
row Next time I just won't talk at all. But we have a draft of the proposed 2026 meeting schedule Realizing
this is our last meeting of the year. So If it meeting said it doesn't work out you should at least
adopt a meeting to start next year, but we proposed we stuck to the
Monday Because that works the best for staff but specifically for this room and we would like to continue
having meetings in this room Going forward so we that we found Weeks that that worked best Occasionally
that didn't work if a holiday occurred. So those men months moved and then also part of that meeting
schedule is the Transportation Commission
Deadline so that has when items need to be brought to staff and then when the final packet will it needs
Details will need to be submitted. So we've included all that for your view. I'm happy to discuss it
further Thank you any questions about the proposal to my right mr. Flaherty Yeah, thank you. Um, one
question was I just noticed that the
Agenda request deadline packet submission deadline a meeting schedule. I would have expected that those
were sort of uniform like The first is always ten days before the meeting and the packet submissions
always five days before the meeting or something like that But it seems like that's not the case. I'm
seeing like varying time ranges between Those sort of pre meeting Deadlines and the meeting itself.
It was that intentional and if so, could you help me understand the rationale? I
My understanding was that the the meeting date you just go back two weeks and that should more or less
give you the So we know that Commissioners want a week in advance to review the packet and so that means
that the Monday before that's when the packets got to be available so you go back to the weekend so
Friday is when I'm usually putting the packet together. So I asked that I
all of those materials be ready on Thursdays. And then, as for the agenda requests being on Mondays,
that is a very similar sort of thing, is trying to give people a certain amount of time between when
the requests would come in and then when we would ask for those packet submissions. But there should
be a logic to it. My guess is that... does that make sense? I would like for there to be a logic to
it. I agree with your logic.
I'm guessing that when some of those meeting dates were adjusted for holidays or unavailability that
the Corresponding agenda and packet deadlines were maybe not adjusted. So there's a handful of months
where It's three plus weeks in advance of the meeting So I think we would just need to take a look at
that and make sure that indeed all the agenda and packets are Deadlines are two weeks and one and a
half weeks respectively before the meeting date we settle on
Do you see like January for instance the January 5th agenda request deadline for a January 26th meeting?
That's that's three weeks. Not not to so that's that's what I'm guessing happened There's a few others,
but yes, yeah, we'll do we'll think we'll check that thank you. Thank you. Yeah to my left any questions
I Do have one what is taking place on the second Monday of the month that makes this room unavailable? I
Commission is taking place that Well in general I found that City meeting Rooms are busiest the first
two weeks of the month and then by the fourth week, they're a little less busy so I was wondering if
we can shift to either the second Monday or the fourth Monday of the month that the fourth Monday would
work better and
at the For Since we're not really meeting In December we could have a meeting after Thanksgiving to
be the November meeting December meeting But everything else would avoid holidays like Martin Luther
King Day or spring break And and we can avoid Thanksgiving breaks, you know just by having a meeting
after that but I'm pretty sure that for Thursday fourth Mondays are
Should be more open. Is it possible that we could do a fourth Monday instead? That would also I mean
resolve the January we've already got the fourth Monday because of Martin Luther King day Marsha already
got the fourth Monday because of spring break, so That would work better I would think Yeah, fourth
Monday could potentially work if that is if you all would prefer I
one of the original goals was to have a member from the Board of Public Works as a representative on
the Commission and so That was the ideal goal was to not double up that they would meet on the fourth
Tuesday and so to not have back-to-back meetings you don't currently have a member who serves on the
beat Board of Public Works, so we could potentially have that wait wait you mean that we don't have a
That seat hasn't been filled yet. No, mr. Coppock is a representative on behalf of the Board of Public
Works The original intent was it for to be a member of the Board of Public Works? so that would the
fourth Monday would be back-to-back meetings for that person if there was a Board of Public Works member
on this commission so the idea to be to prevent a double up mr. Coppock, is that an issue for you? Okay, so
If that's not an issue for the first the primary person who that was concerned about I'd like to move
that we change to the fourth Monday of the month Or to amend this to be the fourth Monday of the month
I'd love to hear feedback from anybody whether they have a preference or not The fourth Monday of the
month is the council for community accessibility meeting and it does go from 4 to 5 30 so
I could get all my city meetings done in one day a month. So if you prefer that it's okay It wouldn't
be my number one choice, but it's okay. Okay, we could start at 535 if you like Any thoughts on my right?
Would be worthwhile to like survey members, I guess I mean this this commission started in the middle
of the year I think we just sort of picked a date and maybe when people were being interviewed they
were asked if that time was
You know generally worked for them. I Don't know but it's like we don't I don't think we're mostly in
the habit of like asking Commissioners like what night works for them like when we when we look at the
beginning of the year like each Commission kind of has its established time But this is a bit newer
and that so I don't know if that warrants different treatment I guess well, I like that idea because
I you know this we chose this meeting almost haphazardly and
It there's a lot of disadvantages to a third Monday I'd love it if it were not on a Monday for one a
Tuesday, but You know, I'll settle for keeping it on Monday, but it would work better for me personally
if it were not the third Monday so and I feel like going to a fourth Monday also makes a little bit
easier to Schedule consistently so and you've heard my argument on that Just if if
We should go to the public. There's no other questions from members Is there any member of the public
who'd like to comment on this resolution if so, please Sign in before being recognized come to the podium
state your name. You'll have three minutes If there's anybody online, please raise your hand and zoom
and you can be acknowledged to anybody who has a public comment on TCR 2512 the Commission's 2026 calendar
Seeing nobody in the room. Is there anybody online? Going twice Come back to the Commission for debate.
Is there anybody who has a thought based on what you've heard? Mr. Flair, I guess just a question for
commissioners. Is there is if we adopted this resolution Are there any commissioners who know at this
time that they would Not preferences, but just strictly would not be able to attend
You know, let's say half or more many of the meetings consistently I know I wouldn't trouble in okay
Is it the pleasure of members to either postpone this to January or to amend it now I
My perspective it doesn't matter when we do it the sooner I can put on my calendar the better That's
that's the only important part of my life but whatever I'm fine with fourth Monday of the month or It
doesn't matter to me. It's just Oscar. Yeah, either there one worked for me No preference here, but
I would agree that the sooner it goes on the calendar the better then I just like to move to amend it
to reflect the fourth Monday of the month and
with the exception of The last meeting of the year and I'd like to ask staff. Would you prefer November
30th or December 7th? for that post Thanksgiving meeting No, November 30th would be the Monday after
Thanksgiving and
And it's number seven would be a full week after that to give people a chance to recover from whatever
Thanksgiving did to them. We can always amend it later if that helps.
We've conferred in December 7th works. Very good. Okay, so I propose that the everything be adjusted
to Reflect the fourth Thursday of the month with the exception of the last meeting of the year, which
will be scheduled for December 7th Can I can I propose one quick amendment? That allows staff to make
adjustments as needed and with staff to make adjustments as needed. Yeah You actually said Thursday
in the motion sorry I'm sorry. Let me restate the motion
Move that we change to the fourth Monday of the month for all meetings with the exception of the final
meeting of the year Which will be scheduled in 2026 for December 7th. I need a second Second motion
the second so this is an amendment any discussion on the amendment Mr. Flaherty Commissioner Davis has
an opinion or a
Truly willing to accommodate. I mean, I feel like that's a bit It's challenging for your schedule, I
guess with respect to Potentially or maybe really convenient. I don't know If somebody brings me snacks,
uh-huh. We'll rotate and okay sign up. Thank you for snack service. Okay. Thank you Any further questions
we'll go to the public for comment to remember the public who'd like to comment on the amendment Anybody online
Please raise your hand and zoom Are there any takers All right any final comment from members To my
right to my left. We're voting on the amendment now to adjust to the fourth Monday and December 7th
for the last meeting of the year Can we have a roll call vote in the amendment? Binder Yes bullet
Sorry, yes drumming. Yes, Flaherty. Yes, Davis Yes, Stossberg. Yes Copic. Yes Stramitis. Yes that passes
8-0. We now come back to the amendment or to the resolution as amended any final comment Seeing none,
let's have a roll call vote on GCR 2512 is amended Bowlin yes drumming
Yes, Flaherty. Yes Davis Yes, Stossberg. Yes Coppock. Yes Stramitis. Yes binder. Yes And that passes
unanimously 8-0 we have a calendar for 2026. Let's go now to the next item Just for clarity sake I'm
gonna keep doing this you don't actually have to do that because you'll have to make motions
on recommendations So yeah, sorry
Well, then let's just go to TCR 25 13 who is here to present the East 19th Street on street parking
Old habits die hard. Sorry about that Good evening everybody, my name is Trista here with the engineering
We are seeking your support to post no parking on
19th Street from Washington to 50 feet east of Lincoln Street and today parking on both sides in this
block pinches the roadway roadway creating meeting and passing conflicts and we have also Seeing cars
parking close to southeast corner of Lincoln which reduces size sight distance and
And as you can see on the plane, this creates continuous south side restriction plus 90 feet clearance
to preserve two ways operation and improve visibility at this location at the intersection of Lincoln
and 19th Street. And temporary no parking is in place now because of the HAP-2 project and permanent
signs will be
Start by the developer at closeout and of course in coordination with the with the engineering and parking
and staff respectfully Requests your support for the proposal and I'm happy to answer any question you
have All right other questions miss Davis
What is hub to It's a I don't know It's a what I know it's project there, but I don't know it's a new
development I think isn't it so it's is it housing and does it include parking? Like a garage or something
Andrew seaborne City engineer it is a large I think student focused
Development and I believe it does have an internal parking garage as a part of the development And as
a part of that development, they are essentially narrowing the street on the south side And adding sidewalks
and doing all sorts of things. So this is just in coordination with with that projects plan Thanks Other
questions to my right mr. Binder I
to the best knowledge of staff was the plan Commission's intention in approving the Site plan for hub
to that this change to the parking configuration for the block face would be rolled into that Or is
this just a oversight As a member of the Planning Commission, I would say that this was an intended
part of the site plan. Okay. Thank you. I
Questions to my left. I guess I'm always a little reluctant to give up something that might naturally
be slowing traffic down. How much is the road narrowing from what I see on the current Google Maps photo
of this block? So right now it's 22 feet. So if the parking on the other side, we will say,
will be like Seven or eight feet so that will be 13 or something feet so it's the car so can go The
traffic can flow through there because the the Google map photo that I'm seeing shows pre hub to and
the street looks quite wide it looks like At least 30 feet why did did the road get?
Yes, that's why we that's why we are proposing right now that because right now the road after it's
not 30 feet It's less than there. Okay, is there Has there been any comment? Do you know who has been
using that parking and was there any thought in the neighborhood of I think just the neighborhoods or
the residents on the north side using this right now and
The other side as I said, there is a temporary no parking because of the construction So there is nobody
parked on the south side. Do you know when the construction will be done? I think in the summer 2027.
Okay, so it's not really an issue right now because of construction, correct? Okay. Thank you Any other
questions for go to the public to my left? to my right Let's go to the public for comment
If you would like to speak to this issue, please come to the podium sign in state your name You'll have
three minutes. If you would like to speak in your online, please raise your hand in zoom and you'll
be called by the staff So anybody on zoom would like to speak to issue TCR 25 13 East 19th Street parking
Anybody in the room? I see nobody hustling to the microphone. I
Last call. Seeing none, we come back to the commission for debate. Is there anybody who has any comment
to my left? To my right. Seeing none. Let's have a, I have a comments. Okay, please. Mr. Jimmy. Um,
I, I've recently rode my bike through this area and it's, so it's a little bit, it is, it is night and
day. What I remember it being like before, um, with the building there, but in,
It's very narrow, but I think part of that's construction, but I will say that having cars parked on
both sides of 19th Street even traditionally is always a little bit tricky for cyclists That's a cycling
thoroughfare to get out of the city through Cascades Park So I'm in favor I think on what having cars
on one side is better than having on both Having one side to worry about instead of two is better from
that perspective. Just my two cents Thank you
Anybody else? Now we need a recommendation. What are the three options again? Here you can adopt the
proposed findings and make a positive recommendation. You can not you're going to adopt your own findings
and make a positive, negative or no recommendation. That's too many choices. Does anybody want to make
a recommendation?
I move that we adopt the findings of staff for this Report and Approve it with a positive recommendation
Need a second second motion in a second Will the secretary please call the roll drummy. Yes, Flaherty.
Yes, Davis Stasburg. Yes Copic. Yes Stramitis. Yes binder. Yes. Yes
CR 25 13 passes 8-0. Let's move on now to TCP 25 14 the 10th Street corridor study from Morton to Park
Avenue Here to present is that Hank Duncan it is it is Hank Duncan Hi there Hank Duncan safe streets
program manager good to be here the 10th Street safety improvements project aims to improve safety of
10th Street between Morton Street and Park Avenue and
Improve the connection between the Indiana University campus and trades district for all street users
The section of 10th Street between Walnut Street and Park Avenue is identified as high priority in the
safe streets for all action plan Additionally the following intersections along the project area are
identified as priority intersections 10th and Morton 10th and College 10th and Walnut 10th and Lincoln
10th and Grant 10th and Dunn and 10th and Indiana
Street between Morton and Park Avenue is identified as general urban in the transportation plan The
old northeast downtown and high point neighborhoods surround this portion of 10th Street The current
posted speed limit in the project area is 30 miles an hour The mean speed of vehicles is twenty eight
point six miles an hour with thirty four point nine percent of vehicles traveling above the posted speed
limit the project area sees an average daily traffic volume of eight thousand five hundred twenty four
vehicles and
Multiple public meetings and community feedback opportunities inform the concept design development
as illustrated in the in the attached conceptual design plans The project incorporates various ways
of promoting safety including lowering the posted speed limit to 25 miles an hour Adding tree plots
and grass buffers between the sidewalk in the street Constructing raised intersections at uncontrolled
intersections along the corridor installing traffic calming and creating highly visible crosswalks and
Staff recommends that the Transportation Commission adopt the proposed findings and approve the 10th
Street safety improvements project concept We have the concepts attached below Instead of me going through
page by page. I'll leave it to you to ask any questions and I can Give more input and analysis into
whatever you have questions on. Thanks Thank you, mr. Duncan are there questions for mr. Duncan or staff
on TCP 2514
I have a question. Let's start with mr. Binder and then mr. Coppock Thank you my question is if if it's
possible to put the figure of thirty four point nine percent of vehicles traveling over the posted speed
limit on 10th Street Is it possible to provide the Commission with some context is that? It seems very
high to me, but perhaps not and maybe that's more typical than I realize I
Could you provide a little bit of interpretation to that number? Sure in terms of projects that we work
on which are generally high priority streets or streets with higher rates of speeding This is about
typical of what we see maybe on the higher end of it for reference and I don't have exact numbers on
previous projects, but for example on North Indiana Avenue between 7th to 10th. We're seeing over 50 percent
the posted speed limit before We completed the Maxwell Maxwell Lane traffic calming project a few years
back We saw over 50% above the posted speed limit. So I don't want to say that this is acceptable It's
not accepted by any means but there have been other projects with this number or higher of speeding
on the street follow-up question based on those other projects those past projects that you just mentioned
what is staff's
anticipation of the rate of speeding following the installation of traffic calming measures as depicted
in these concepts sure, so we have developed a relatively uniform profile for speed humps or speed cushions
or raised crosswalks and intersections around the city and This street where we are designing so vehicles
do drive at the eventually newly posted speed limit of 25 miles an hour
So the design is for 25 miles an hour Okay, thank you mr. Coppock So will you need to acquire additional
right away to complete this project and What kind of time frame are you looking for this to happen?
Sure. So actually one great thing about this project is that it does not
Require additional right-of-way. We are working within the right-of-way already there and we are working
with Incoming developments there are a couple sections that you can see say on the right side of the
screen there with a wider tree plot in a wider sidewalk That is in coordination with a new development
coming in there with a 10-foot sidewalk in a five or eight foot tree plot You had a second question
as well, I believe Time frame for the project. Thank you. So
Funding is the question for timeframe right now. We've been working with the economic and sustainable
development department They are working with IU and the Lilly grant essentially that is a grant that
was given to IU in the city of Bloomington to promote the trades district and
incorporate more infrastructure improvements in the trades district and connecting Indian University
to the trades district So our hope is that some of this funding of that funding could be used for this
project We are going to begin design on this project as soon as it is approved by this commission and
then after that it is a Matter of when we can find funds to actually construct this project Miss Davis
Are there any plans to improve sidewalks as part of this project other than what? The developers are
going to be required to do Yes, we have done multiple walks and strolls along the corridor and identified
where there are broken sidewalk panels heaving sidewalk panels any kind of inconsistencies in level
and we have identified those for replacement in this project along with curb ramps and
So the cost would be borne by this project and not by the property owners in those cases. Yes.
Thanks Mr. Drumie in the Other projects you've done with traffic calming have you Have you compared
the results after the projects been completed and can you give some examples of how that turned out?
Sure. That's a great question again. I don't have other project numbers on me right now I can talk about
a couple that I can remember offhand just
Numbers the Maxwell Lane project that I mentioned earlier that spanned from Henderson Street to Woodlawn
Avenue through the Bryan Park and Elm Heights neighborhoods again before that project was completed
we saw Well over 50% of folks speeding down that corridor After we implemented a series of I believe
four or five speed humps along the corridor with the design speed of 25 miles an hour We're now seeing
a speeding rate of around three to four percent
similarly on Miller Drive from Henderson to all of that's done by the CBU Department of Public Works
area down there by Bloomington South We did a similar project of we incorporated about four to five
speed humps again before then it's a wide street 30 feet wide without a lot of utilized parking high
rates of speed above 50% above the speed limit and then after the project
Completed I don't have an exact number but it was well below that we're talking about around maybe five
to fifteen percent above the speed limit Mr. Midas Is this like a part of the cycling core of the city?
I know there's 7th Street and then I don't really see another like East West connector North of 10th
Street. Is there currently a lot of cycling on here? Is this gonna affect that at all? So we this was
actually a
Frequently discussed topic throughout this project outreach and design phase where currently there is
no either striped or protected bike infrastructure along the corridor even though that it is a Relatively
utilized corridor to connect Downtown the maple Heights neighborhoods with Indian University. There
are many cyclists who do use that as a connect as a connection There are many more pedestrians who use
it than cyclists. I will say
In the city's transportation plan, it does call for a protected bike lane on this street. And this was
a back and forth internally and externally on what a final decision should be. Essentially, looking
at the right of way available, looking at the setbacks or lack thereof along the corridor, there just
isn't room for protected bike lanes along this corridor without long, long-term impacts to the corridor.
So instead, we focused on the pedestrian experience
separating sidewalks from the street by using tree plots grass buffers and then the traffic calming
not only Benefits drivers by slowing down it benefits pedestrians by allowing safer crossings But it
also benefits cyclists so they can more easily Take the lane and ride with the flow of traffic because
instead of having drivers Drive at 35 or 40 miles an hour. We're talking about 20 to 25 miles an hour
First round you have a first round question. Yes. Yeah, how would you summarize the public feedback?
You received to this sure so with any kind of project there is no one Consensus there's no unanimous
direction that members of the public and stakeholders want to go in I will say this is as close as as
close as we've gotten with any kind of project We went out to the mr. Copy parking lot along the corridor
twice for public meetings. We sent out mailers We had online comment forms
Sure, there are specific ideas that may not have been incorporated or may have been thought of in other
directions But for the most part this has been one of the most positive public outreach Processes we've
gone through and we're confident that we heard the public and what we've come up with I'm looking at
page 30 of our packet and I know the following data
Where there is a noting of the average speed in the 85th percent percentile There's one that's 30 miles
an hour one. That's 32 one. That's 30 one. That's 31 the one that's 29 this is between Washington and
done give or take block Those don't sound like excessive speeds. I don't get how we got 34 35 percent
of traffic going above The speed limit
When you've got I mean the speed limit now is 30 I thought on there, isn't it? So this beats the current
speed limit is 30 miles an hour we are referring to the numbers on 10th Street between Lincoln and Grant
with the ADT of 8524 average speed of 28.6 miles an hour an 85th percentile at 32 with those numbers
35% of those drivers were driving above 30 miles an hour
But if isn't the 85th percentile mean that 15% were driving above 32. I don't I that math doesn't make
sense to me I'm not sure what the question was. How is it if the 85th percentile is 32 that 35% of traffic
is going? Oh, I guess because there are a lot of people going 30 and 31 miles an hour. Okay, sorry It's
just not it's not an excess of I thought it was more excessive than that. Okay, so
That's my question. Is there a second round questions for members to my left? To my right Mr. Binder
my only minor question is There are some Not applicable numbers on the side streets for average speed
is that simply because Average daily traffic was counted but speed was not measured or just not recorded
there is some counts and I'm not the expert in this by any means but talking with the
With the engineering staff who goes out and does these counts There are some counts that we do that
are geared towards targeting speeds and speed accuracy There are some counts that go out and target
volume accuracy. I I would guess on these side street counts that either they were done in Years prior
to where we would want to use the speed or they were geared towards volume rather than speed And maybe
any means not available
Right, and I suspect it's also because the side streets have stop signs and therefore traffic would
be coming to a stop at that intersection and therefore Average speed doesn't really come into play there
All right. Thank you Final questions before we go to public comment on my right My left let's go to
public comment now if you're interested in speaking to TCI 25 or 20 CP 25 14, sorry
the 10th Street corridor study. Please come to the podium, state your name, sign in, you'll have three
minutes. If you are online, please raise your hand in Zoom and you'll be recognized by the secretary.
Anybody online? We don't see anybody rushing to the podium here. Last call for comments on TCP 2514.
Let's come back now to the commission for debate.
Can we just get a for a petition? What are our options? Same as last time you can adopt the proposed
findings and make a forward or You can adopt the proposed findings and approve the 10th Street safety
improvement project or you can adopt your own findings And still approve or deny for or not tonight.
Sorry send it back for redesign or you can
Extend it to end a different meeting. Okay, just to be clear the title of this item is 10th Street corridor
study. It doesn't say project or construction plan or anything. What exactly are we approving just the
The redesign is this a redesign You are approving the safety improvement Traffic calming that is in
the designs shown so
Yeah, the title is different than the actual recommendation, which would be the 10th Street
safety improvement project concept Okay There any is there any debate on this issue Mr. Flaherty, thanks
Only a somewhat related procedural question, which is that could staff distinguish for us again
Different circumstances under which you bring a petition versus a resolution since in both cases were
either adopting or proposing our own findings and Recommending, you know in favor or against a staff
Conclusion of some kind Yeah, a petition is off is always tied to some sort of infrastructure Improvement
and may or may not include amendments to title 15 or other
Related documents whereas a resolution Will always relate to another related document but not having
any infrastructure improvement. So it's Essentially, is there a project related to the project? It's
kind of more like policy versus infrastructure. Yes, correct. Thank you Okay, so just to clarify we're
voting on policy Resolutions for policy
Petitions for infrastructure. Okay, so we're voting on infrastructure. I'm still finding my feet here
any Comments on what kind of basically what you should do if you wanted to speak to this is what kind
of? Proposal what kind of finding you'd like to to see here's your chance to weigh in On my right on
my left Okay, well I need a motion
I Moved to adopt TCP 2514 as presented with a positive finding Second we have motion in a second. Will
the secretary please call the roll on the motion to adopt with a positive recommendation Flaherty Yes,
Davis. Yes Stasberg. Yes Copic. Yes, sir. Midas. Yes binder
Yes bowling. Yes drumming. Yes That's eight zero. It's adopted unanimously Thank you. We now go to TCI
25 15 improvements to College Mall and Covenanter intersection. This is an inquiry not a Petition or
a resolution Who is here to present Laura Gao? Hello, please Go ahead
I am Laura Gao and I am a resident of Ridgemead Hills neighborhood. I bring complaints about the intersection
of College Mall Road and Covenanter Drive. It's a dangerous intersection for pedestrians and apparently
a confusing one for drivers who are westbound on Covenanter turning left south onto College Mall Road.
I understand you have been provided with a photograph of the intersection looking westbound.
Currently, for the left-hand turning lane, there is a signal with five cells, a single red one on top
with two layers of side-by-side cells below it. Vehicles in the designated left turn lane get a protected
green arrow on the left cell and a simultaneous constant green light in the cell right beside it. The
green left arrow goes off, the solid yellow arrow above it comes on while the green bottom left,
excuse me, the green bottom light on the right of the same lanes
signal stays solid green. Then the yellow arrow disappears on the left middle cell, but the right bottom
cell remains green. The pedestrians get their right of way crossing light while this right green cell
stays illuminated for that left-hand turn lane. The green light indicates permission for vehicles to
turn left after yielding the right of way to oncoming traffic, either pedestrian or vehicular.
This intersection has no stationary signage with left turn yield to oncoming traffic, left turn yield
to pedestrians, instructions, as many other intersections do have, such as at 3rd Street and Pete Ellis
Drive. As a nearby homeowner who has had family members use this intersection up to three times a day,
often with Kroger's as the destination, I am aware that drivers cut off and flip off pedestrians crossing
in the crosswalk when the pedestrians have the white light to do so.
pedestrian pedestrians have to halt or wave Proactively to drivers to indicate their presence some elderly
neighbors told me they prefer to jaywalk further to the south rather than use the crosswalk I Was pedestrian
stuck struck by a pickup truck at 3 30 p.m. On a clear afternoon last December 17th as I tried to cross
College Mall Road It went down this way. I arrived at the crosswalk pushed the button and awaited my turn and
North-south traffic got their red lights and stopped three West painting pointing cars waiting to turn
left on Their protected green arrow got their light and did so there was no one in the left-hand turn
lane behind them I got my pedestrian crossing light and entered the intersection The truck which struck
me was first quite physically far away in the right-hand lane the lane to go straight Straight or to
make a right turn. That's why I entered the intersection. I
I kept my eye on him, and to my horror, the truck then drifted over into the left turn lane without
signaling, and the driver accelerated through his turn till he had struck me, knocking me down and breaking
my wrist, causing contusions and road rash and running over my two feet. He did not yield the right
of way, and I could not get away.
I assumed he had run a red arrow, but when I investigated later, I saw again to my horror that this
whole five light, five cell signal is for that dedicated turn lane, and the constant green light stays
on in the bottom right cell after the yellow turn arrow on the left middle cell has gone off.
That contributes to why there are so many close calls and the flipping off of pedestrians. As the driver
who struck me drifted over into the left hand turn lane and began
The turn leading to the collision course with me, I now believe there was a green light in the right
hand bottom cell of his lane signal. That source of confusion would be on the city. His inattentiveness
as an operator of his truck is on him. As I went today one more time to double check the intersection
signal action, I observed and photographed that the white painted pavement arrows for the left turn
lane and the go straight or turn right lane are worn to indiscernible ability
as are the white pavement lines indicating where the cars must stop on the red lights and the lines
for the designated pedestrian crosswalk going north-south across Covenanter. I sent that picture to
Ryan Roebling late this afternoon. So this is a very troubled and very busy intersection. It could be
improved these ways. A signal for that left-hand turn lane on the east side of College Mall Road with
three cells, not five, for those drivers turning left.
a red arrow or a red signal for the left-hand turn when pedestrians have requested their right-of-way
to cross. Alternatively, a three-cell signal that goes to a flashing yellow arrow in the middle cell
when the end of the protected left-hand vehicular turn is over and an added stationary sign saying yield
to pedestrians non-counting traffic or with a little symbol of a pedestrian or something to indicate
that the left-hand turning vehicles must yield the right-of-way.
when they do not have the green arrow. My city contacts have told me that this is a known dangerous
intersection, so I am begging the Transportation Commission to move forward with speedy signage and
pavement painting improvements. Besides this one, please consider flashing yellow arrows and stationary
yield to pedestrian signage at other known dangerous intersections in this growing city, as well as
easily visible white pavement demarcations.
That is what you can do. And now I would ask if there's a representative of the police here Did anybody
come as I was told would happen the chief of police is here As for the inattentive Incapacitated drivers
and scofflaws. I would ask the police do their job The police were summoned quickly apparently by the
eyewitnesses who watched the 26 year old man run over the 62 year old woman with his truck
The police did not get any witness reports, did not test the driver for impairment, and did not ask
him if he was texting. The young man officer cited the young man driver merely for an expired license
plate. The officer further checked the box on his crash report that the estimate of total damage from
the incident was $1,001 to $2,500 as I went off to the hospital to begin my expensive medical odyssey
that involves surgery, physical therapy, and an altered future.
As part of telling my tale, I have had to withstand the indignation of every person who hears that the
driver was not cited for a moving violation. So in addition to my plea to the transportation committee,
my experience of 11 months ago tonight indicates that the police need to perform better in upholding
the safety of pedestrians in Bloomington, citing offenders, and recording crash reports in a way that
reflects reality. I respectfully request that the chief of police
Carry that back to the station. Thank you for this opportunity to speak Thank You miss go There's a
this is a kind of a two-fold issue I do want to hear opinion from staff And that would include Planning
staff for the first part of her inquiry and the chief for the second part
If anyone has a different way for proceeding just let me know but I thought we would go that way first
Let's hear from planning staff on their reaction to her inquiry That is not the goal of a transportation
inquiry to respond I'm sorry Staff doesn't come prepared with a response. The idea is for this to be
a voice for
See yeah, there's no you have no particular fee. We only provide background We don't weigh in at this
stage the idea to be What you all would like to us to consider or think about or do? Okay I Guess then
I'll just open the floor to questions from commissioners for I mean again, we have staff here and and
the inquirer to anybody have any questions or
Like to ask mr. Binder first of all, I just want to say I'm truly sorry that this happened to you and
I think you and everybody in the city deserve far better I think my idea for staff here would be to
Probably as a baseline conduct a new study of traffic at this intersection because I look at the date
on the attached
Figures and I believe it was conducted in 2013. Is that correct? Correct. Okay, so I think at the very
least Some kind of new or updated set of data would be helpful And then I guess I would also
Like to hear at some point obviously not at this meeting. I understand that staff doesn't have any You
know particular documents prepared right now, but at a future meeting perhaps Outlining for this commission
kind of what the the short-term and then long-term Ideas that that staff have for for this intersection
to improve safety So I guess what we're doing with an inquiry is deciding whether or not we want to
what are the options again? Mr. Robling
I should have it in front of me, but yeah, they're on the screen now, but okay So our options are to
determine that no action is warranted at this time to request additional study as mr. Binder has just
done or requests that a future petition or resolution Addressing the issues raised be placed on a subsequent
agenda But we would have to identify a clear and actionable outcome Directive or policy objective to
be developed and prepared for future consideration So those are our options with that I'll continue
opening the floor to
Just a point of order are these mutually exclusive options or Because it seems as though we could request
additional study or information and request a future resolution, but but perhaps one Comes first that
I gather information. Is that my understanding? That's a good question for staff Does this mean that
if we chose C is that automatically include B? Correct. Yeah
The idea would be that see always includes be so if all you want is study then you can make
that recommendation if you definitely want it to be future petition where that's that's formerly written
up by staff where they they Analyze the issue and they come up with a recommendation as well that Then
you would recommend see the sea would include further study Any more thoughts
on this inquiry from any member on my left to start with Mr. Drummey and then Ms. Davis. I have a question.
On the photo that's on page 30, PDF page 39, this black device on top of the tallest little device,
is that a traffic sensor? I've always wondered what those things were.
So actually the on the pole to your right Is I believe that's the video detection or detection of the
signal The sense of traffic's there to change the light, correct Does it count cars this I'm making
assumptions here My guess is that this is older technology and it does not
collect that kind of data Miss Davis Nothing okay on my left here anybody else with a question or thought
I guess my question or request for information would be to see what you could do with the traffic signal
timing and maybe take into consideration the yellow flashing arrow during the Phase of the light
Yeah equip just for context maybe some reminders or things that might be forthcoming that maybe I haven't
shared before Is the city does have an ongoing? Study to update the traffic signal timing of all of
our signalized intersections and that projects been in development for a long time Partially due to
our lack of having a filled traffic engineer position But expecting to make real progress on that early
next year because we have filled that position so
So yeah signal timing certainly will be evaluated just as a part of that at this intersection in all
intersections throughout the city And then the comment about flashing yellow arrow. I think just generally
speaking Wanting to state that as we're modernizing our signals intersections and there are left turn
lanes That is I think becoming our common go-to and expectation The the trick is in a location like
this. It's not actually just an easy thing to swap out a signal there's a lot of rewiring and actually
Would need to add another signal because that would be just for the left turn movement So it's just
I guess my point is that it's not a quick and easy thing just to put in a different signal head but
I Guess yeah, I guess my question was on the phasing was to add a dedicated crossing for pedestrians
Through the timing but on the five section head you could I didn't know you couldn't put a yellow flashing
arrow in that center and
You can't that's the trick is that we would need to swap out that five section doghouse to put in a
four section Signal just for the left turn lane, but also at another three section head and all of this
stuff is possible, but would be a significant effort that essentially requires a contractor and project
Thank you to my right Questions mr. Flaherty
Thank you so earlier this evening we were looking at some of the maps and the safe streets for all action
plan Which I think yeah, we should be doing regularly when we're talking about these intersections I'll
note that the high-injury network vulnerable road user map this intersection is and does appear as the
the darkest color which is the highest priority for intervention and
And either been a number of serious injury crashes of both pedestrians and cyclists noted in the other
maps So that's on page 27 of that plan There are of course, you know, probably a couple dozen intersections
that would meet that highest priority So I guess first of all It seems to me that this would warrant
action related to B or C among the options we have
And then second just asking maybe from our perspective from staff of like how we are Systematically
and holistically approaching those, you know some of those most dangerous intersections Is is there
a process anticipated yet like like if let's say it's 23 intersections in the city, you know to each
of those 23
Have a schedule or a plan by which we hope to in or a timeline by which we hope to get to them or is
it? We're still getting oriented to that. Is it a bit more ad hoc? Like can you help me understand like
how we might think about this particular need which I think is well established in the context of You
know that this planning document and city needs generally I know that that's a great question There's
there's multiple factors going in so I guess we're maybe still in a
some transition of how to use that map in relation to Modernizing old equipment that needs to be replaced.
So there's the balance of maintaining like we've got old signals that might not be The highest of priorities,
but if we don't do it it might It just so there's it's not just simply that simple but but that being
said I think it's a fair question that we need to honestly look at further And be more mindful of for
things like this
Okay. Thank you Mr. Stossberg Yes, I thought you did a good job of breaking this into two parts
infrastructure and policy on the infrastructure side I'm one of the members who came from the bike pedestrian
safety commission a longtime member there Jim Rosenberger Mentioned this intersection many times because
it is on a bike route used by cyclists and he's
now passed away before we got a chance to see significant improvements. I think it is along a greenway,
and for the... I live along near a greenway, long view, and I would ask if today, would this level of
comfort or level of surface meet the standards that we have for what we expect for a neighborhood greenway,
this intersection?
I think if we were starting from scratch or redesigning this intersection especially for those crossing
college mall using coven enter The things that we're talking about like the traffic signal we would
have the newer better technology We would have a flashing yellow that would also enable us to have protected
only Pedestrian crossings when somebody activates it those kinds of things would be available with more
modern equipment that we don't yet have at this intersection
So that's a potential something actionable for this commission to check to see if this intersection
is appropriate for our greenways plan and then bring it up to our standards. On the policy part, I'm
interested to hear from the police how drivers are cited in cases like this.
Specifically, recently, we have the Safe Streets for All and Vision Zero plans. I'm interested to understand
how this policy addresses our interest to protect vulnerable road users. Thank you. So, Mike DeKoff,
Police Chief for the City of Bloomington. So we do not have specific policies that say everyone who
breaks a traffic law gets a ticket. That would be very bad policy.
And so it's left to officer discretion and there's a lot of things that go into that I'm not gonna comment
on this specific case because there could be pending civil litigation. So I'm not going to do that,
but there are lots of Things that officers look at when they're at an accident when they are stopping
a car for a traffic violation as to what might Make them make the decision to write a ticket and
And so it's it there's nothing that I can point to specifically because each individual officer evaluates
each individual accident or traffic stop Separately, so I can't really give you and I a definite answer
as to you're gonna get a ticket every time this happens Because we don't have policies that address
that so in situations like this
You know accident reports are when officers show up for those we gather the information at that time
The officer may not have known how severe someone's injuries might have been And so unless there is
unless someone follows up with the officer to have that added to the report we don't necessarily know
that information and So we're basically information gatherers to put it on a form to give it to the state
That's what we do with traffic accidents. I don't know if that answered your question, but I think that's
about the best I could probably do. Yeah, I am interested on how, you know, how those calls are made.
I live in the Park Ridge neighborhood. We had a girl, 10 years old, who was hit. She was crossing the
crosswalk as she should, thrown across the intersection. The driver had clearly not stopped at the stop sign.
He was not sighted, several of her teeth were knocked out, her jaw were broken. The police report said
minor scrapes and bruises. So it's not just like an isolated case, and I was speaking with Mr. Drummey.
He's a lawyer, handles some related cases. So I'm interested in some alignment here with our Safe Streets
for All and Vision Zero plans to protect vulnerable road users. If there's something we can do at the
police department to make sure this category in particular is protected. We don't have the...
2 to 3,000 pound boxes protecting us Sometimes it seemed like there are clear cases where there has
been a violation someone's sent to the vulnerable religious has been sent to the hospital It's a particular
case. I think would do well to align with our our city goals for the safe streets for all Thank you
I'll take a term. Mr. Decoff if you wouldn't mind the
The terms that mr. Seabor and planning staff tend to use when talking about These events are crash or
collision But you use the word accident Could it be that that term sort of preemptively? absolves the
a driver because it just sort of implies that nobody was at fault and
Do you see that concern? I don't know. I mean there there are a lot of times where You know and crashes
or collisions that It's hard to find fault and so you know if there are a lot of situations where civil
litigation is the route that those types of things should take and
No, no, I get it. I'm just saying that the word accident sort of implies that well, we're gonna start
out by assuming that Nobody's at fault here where it's a collision is kind of neutral on that. Do you
see the difference? I don't know I I would not think that that would be Something that an officer would
look at and absolve someone of responsibility Okay. Thank you for that with respect to this intersection
I want to direct to engineering or planning staff. I thought that Covenanter and this intersection in
particular but this from this intersection East is the subject of no small plan for improvement In fact,
I recall that it was a discussion Councilman Flaherty. Do you recall when we were discussing College
Mall Road and and there was a vote on the redesign of the entirety of the road from 3rd Street and
I think we talked about it then but I'm not sure but is there not an intention to Doesn't this intersection
need redesigning pretty badly and Isn't it sort of high on the list? I Could go back through my notes,
but there was a time there one of the previous geo bond bonds included potential funding for
Want to say it was a protected bike lane project. Yeah from this intersection to the east but it was
one of the Not highest priorities of that bond funding and It essentially isn't moving for it as a part
of that project would have included this intersection and
I think another just important detail of the intersection is that it's there's a essentially a bridge,
right? There's a lot of limitations. It's not an easy intersection to significantly alter but but yes,
I remember that bridge too and that it was scheduled for upgrade or repair the bridge I Couldn't speak
to that because typically the county maintains bridges Okay, so why is it essentially Not have not going forward
This very second because there isn't funding to that was a would have been a very significant Multi-million
dollar protected bike lane project that included some intersection improvements and and it's not going
forward because we had other priorities or we lost money or there was insufficient money to Move that
project along Okay, thank you second round questions. Mr. Jumme
I have a question for a chief decaf and in the Andrew first of quickly is there with regards to this
particular intersection Is there not a way with the current technology? To have it all the way red and
allow for pedestrians across with a walk light with what is there currently I Would need to double-check.
So essentially having everything red for all vehicles And I would I would need to double-check that
but it wouldn't that solve the this
I mean I realize it would slow track. It may Have a traffic flow. Yeah, I think there's one
other intersection in the city that currently functions that way But it has thousands upon thousands
of pedestrian one of the Arboretum. Yeah, they're by the business school by 10th and yeah. Yeah,
okay Mr. Stossberg. Oh, I'm sorry. Mr. Johnny. Go ahead. Sure. Sorry. Thank you Chief decaf. My name
is Brian drama. I'm a lawyer of Bunger and Robertson personally lawyer primarily and
And I don't mean to put you on the spot. We I review hundreds of police reports a year from not just
Bloomington all of the state I never see citations ever I mean I shouldn't say never but unless there's
drinking or drugs or some I don't even see distracted driving citations So my to your comment about
civil litigation it has its place in police reports have their limitations I mean, I'm glad they exist
they're not admissible as evidence in Indiana because I
The police officer primarily didn't see what happened. It's just him gathering information, hearsay
information. But in terms of citations, civil law doesn't provide a penalty or determinant for texting
and driving. It really is just an insurance company thing. It's a monetary exchange. The insurance companies
admit liability and wipe out those other issues. So I would just urge you and your officers, you guys
are the front lines to making us be safer.
Making people drive safer and by the time it gets to me, it's long gone. I mean that can I ask you a
question? Sure You actually think a traffic ticket is gonna make someone drive safer. I do I don't Well,
it Increases their insurance rates if they have them but again, is that going to make them safer? That's
going to cost them more money with their insurance But I'm not sure that's going to make them a safer
driver. Are we what are we are we giving up on it then? No, I'm not saying that
So how do we make but if I issue a policy that says you will cite everyone who create who? Breaks a
traffic law or is involved in an accident. I'm not sure that this community wants that So where do I
draw that line of letting officers discretion? Decide what they do versus me writing a policy that says
you don't have any discretion anymore. You will do this that I that I believe
would be a very dangerous situation that this community would not like. I agree they probably wouldn't
like it, but that's not what I'm suggesting. You said, hey, let the civil lawyers figure it out. I'm
just telling you, that's not a solution to determine on the front end. There's nothing we can do a year
later when a case comes in our office to find it. Well, there are certain things we can do, but oftentimes
the information is gone. To look at the cell phone or to capture that data
Year later that person may not have that cell phone to see if they were texting and I've had cases where
you're you're also probably familiar with what would be involved in a seizing a cell phone getting court
orders to do all that and I'm not sure in a infraction situation that we would get that information
to follow through on that investigation and
Well, I also have the opportunity to watch a lot of body camera footage from Accidents and oftentimes
officers ask if you were using phones and if the driver was and they if they say no That's the end of
the conclusion and that's I get it There's only a certain amount you can do and and and you guys have
other things to please so let me go back and explain a little bit also so because we're short-staffed
and because we don't have the funding to get to where we need to be we don't even have police officers
investigate a lot of accidents and
There are community service people and they can't write traffic tickets. So we have to decide what do
we want to do here? Do we want to dump more money into hiring more police officers so we can respond
to have officers work these accidents or do we look at something else? So there's I agree there's lots
that goes into this don't citations There's lots of things that people that are that are victims that
accidents have through civil litigation That was my point with that
My point was not that civil lawyers and everybody should go and sue somebody that's in a traffic accident.
My point was we have limited resources. We do what we can. We have come up with a way to help us solve
some of those issues by having non-police officers investigate traffic accidents or crashes or whatever
you wanna call them. People have other remedies besides a police officer riding a ticket. And so again,
We have to I'm not going to issue a policy that mandates that we write tickets in every situation I'm
going to leave it to the discretion of that officer Well, that's what I'm getting criticized tonight
for is because that officer in two sit in two situations Didn't write tickets. There's information that
I know about those those particular accidents that I'm not going to discuss because of the potential
for civil litigation and
So there's more to than what's being brought out here tonight in these cases that I'm not gonna comment
on Understood and I'm not I don't think I criticize you one bit I just wanted you to see it from the
perspective as a person that looks at police reports regularly from across the state I don't see any
citations granted. I'm not suggesting you write a policy say they need to be granted or need to be issued
I just think it's a tool in the toolbox to make us a little bit safer on a daily basis. Thank you. I
Further questions. Mr. Flaherty. Thank you. I did have some follow-up for chief decaf also. Thank you
so much for your Being here tonight and helping us Understand the perspective of the force Thinking
about The the discretion discretionary element So so on one end
there would be maybe no training or guidance at all and just sort of discretion with whatever set of
assumptions, biases, background, whatever that an individual officer brings to a situation. On the other
far end of a spectrum would be a prescriptive binary policy you must issue to get when. I understand
why that's not advisable and that's not what I'm advocating or I think anyone else has, but I guess
I'm curious
Their training about the discretionary element and in particular values of the city of Bloomington that
maybe should be a factor that weighs into the discretionary Choices that an officer makes when you know
issuing a citation or not Similarly you might think I know your officers undertake implicit bias training
for instance to consider you know racial bias and policing and other other other forms of bias so
Just being able to name and talk about these things in the course of training That you know, we have
policies in the city of Bloomington that try to address the you know endemic traffic fatalities that
we have that are especially hard hit on Vulnerable roadway users that maybe that's a training that goes
into the discretionary Framework of officers like is that do we have anything like that now?
Is that viable? What are your thoughts about that by way of? officers go through the extensive training and
At the Academy mm-hmm with regards to traffic investigation and traffic accident investigation We do
we cover that in the field training officer program when they're on the when it's basically on the job
on the street training It is covered in that training as well but again, it gets down to that fine line
of I Don't know everything that the officer asked saw discussed
in this particular accident, in this crash. I don't know what they did. There's stuff in there that
would not necessarily be in the report, so I don't know why they didn't write a citation. The one that
was brought up at Smith and Morningside. Again, I don't know everything that happened. I do know that
there's always information that comes about after we have left the scene,
We don't necessarily get that information delivered to us after the fact so in in situations where someone
goes to the hospital they could have been having a very normal conversation with the officer and they
go get checked out and There's things that are much more serious that come about at the hospital We
don't get that information from the hospital. The person could call us back and say hey Can you update
the report and do this but that doesn't happen very frequently
So we don't we don't necessarily always go back and follow up when initially it doesn't look that It
was that severe of an accident. Yeah, I hear you. I Guess my feeling we're talking about policy options
to try to address this issue Not a particular case but kind of at a holistic level and my gut is that
through training we could probably do more to align
Values around safe streets for all with with some of the the the questions So for instance an officer
could make sure that they're always communicating to the victim of a crash that if they go to the hospital
and injuries come up that they can or should follow up and call back maybe you already do that, but
just a Request that we think about what what role and
Police training can play in the whole system here of trying to get safer streets for everyone You know
That yeah, there's probably some improvement somewhere in there I don't know all the details, but I
do appreciate again you being with us tonight and helping explain some of that Let's try to get to public
comment as soon as we can. Are there other second round questions to my left? Do you want to wait till
we can we'll have a round of questions after public comment to my right? All right. Let's go now to
public comment on
TCI 2515 the intersection of College Mall and Covenanter This is again an inquiry as to whether the
Commission should follow up with Should should make take no action Do further study or bring a petition
of resolution with respect to this intersection I'm going to open the floor now to public comment if
you'd like to speak please come to the podium state your name sign your name in the record and
You'll have three minutes if you'd like to speak and you're online, please raise your hand and zoom
and the secretary will recognize you. Is there anyone who would like to speak on this issue? TCI 2515?
Is there anyone online who'd like to speak? Well, that's quite a surprise. Last call for public comment
on TCI 2515.
Seeing none, we'll come back to the commission for follow-up questions. To my right. To my left. I think
this is the time where we start putting together. We're gonna go now to debate. So here's your chance
to make a comment on how we should proceed. Please try to frame your comments in
one of the three options that we have and also please try to remember that the object of this Commission
is to focus on transportation There have been public safety issues brought up here that are significant
some of which may be beyond our bailiwick But as with whatever it has to do with transportation, let's
focus on that With that is there anyone who'd like to comment on my left?
Who wants to go first? I imagine there's some comments here. We'll start on my right with mr.
Midas Yeah, I'm just thinking I like the way that it's framed with the Eagles and intersection of some
short-term and long-term So I would definitely move for there not to be an actual petition a resolution
brought forward in the future I'd like it and like a short-term medium long-term things and I would
think short-term I think in the in the request or in the some of the description
At a very minimum a sign left turn yield to pedestrians I think would be added very quickly and cheaply
And then also in a short term like being able to look at what type of retiming can be done with the
current infrastructure I don't know if that's maybe timing the pedestrian light to start sooner than
turn signals or for the intersection through the left turn to go red before it goes something like Different
options like that with different time frames would be
Thank you. Anyone want to follow that? Miss Davis I'd add to that the Prioritization of the restriping
of that area with the the lanes and the stop point in the left turn arrow Any other comments first round
comments to my right To my left mr. Stossburg, I presume we could
produce multiple petitions or resolutions. I was just gonna say that there may be more than one outcome
from this inquiry. Yeah, because we had the infrastructure piece in the policy question. On the petition
side, the infrastructure part, one way to move forward is to reevaluate this intersection as part of
our greenways program. It does not seem to be up to the level of comfort and safety that
Other parts of our neighborhood greenway are and that's a place where we could Re-evaluate and see what
could be done there on the resolution side the policy side I think there's an opportunity to review
our policy about when we cite I don't think it's practical to cite and in all cases that don't believe
we have the resources for that there's an opportunity to look at the alignment with our safe streets
for all vision zero plan and possibly
society in some cases regarding vulnerable road users Thank you any further comments from members Mr.
Flaherty, yeah, it was reminded by the comment to my right and just briefly I had brought a resolution
the council passed it and I think 2023 around leading using leading pedestrian intervals
Pedestrian signal goes several seconds before the light changes to give visibility time to begin crossing
etc I get the content I get the sense that if the pedestrian Actuated button hasn't been pressed that
maybe the left turn happens first. So it would be contingent upon that and
but when we worked with engineering staff to develop that Resolution and policy which will inform the
signal retiming study. We weren't sure exactly how to take a systematic approach to where those leading
pedestrian interval Treatment should go we used the downtown pedestrian Kind of downtown overlay as
a you know a proxy for where there's high pedestrian activity but I think also named places where there
is a lot of pedestrian activity this was before the safe streets for all action plan and
I know that's called out as a potential policy intervention in that plan as well. And maybe we need
to be thinking about pedestrian crashes Maybe you already are but in particular and the the you know
vulnerable road users map essentially as a filter With which to you know to apply to that LPI treatment
as you get into that. So just Bumping that up in particular. Thank you to my left Mr. Drumming my only
comment would be from
First experience this is a tricky intersection. I mean, it's an intersection that I've used often and
and I'm not sure the last time I was there I'm not sure the button actually worked to head to the east
I know it's confused. It's you have to kind of if you're riding you kind of have to walk You have to
go up on the sidewalk and maybe go five feet over So I but anyway for whatever that's worth or maybe
it worth nothing, but we should check to make sure the button works And be able to want to come before
I take a crack
My right mr. Mr. Binder. Yeah, I'll just take the opportunity to say that in in my experience There
is a widespread public perception that the police do not enforce traffic laws as strictly as they used
to and I think that is definitely worth considering here. It's not something that our Commission can
really seemingly do anything about But that has to be part of the solution here
Sorry to see that the chief has left the room so he can't hear this but Maybe he'll see you later All
right, well There's a couple of things to observe here first of all from the transportation perspective
from the infrastructure perspective I was I meant to ask about leading pedestrian intervals. I was wondering
why that can't be the first thing that's implemented and
Does it mean that it would be too onerous to require a red light all around for a couple of seconds
while the pedestrians crossing Cross like I wasn't I wish I had asked and I wasn't clear enough on that
So I'd like to know more and I suspect that we're going to be doing at least some research into this
issue Once this this inquiry is concluded I do think that this intersection should be bumped up in priority like
which is bottom line, I am familiar with it from both a bicycle and an automotive perspective. There's
not a lot about College Mall Road that I am happy with as somebody who uses it as a pedestrian or as
a driver. I think it does encourage
Speeding still that it needs to be redesigned and rethought and a couple years ago when we were looking
There was there was a faction of City Council that was eager to see that road tamed and I was a member
of that faction So that this inquiry has come along now and that this commission is here to address
it I think is Very timely
But I recall that in the prior item, we were talking about an intersection that Mr. Seaborg had cited
at the last meeting as a good example of an intersection that needed a light more than the light at
the corner of North Walnut and Blue Ridge. And I took that to heart. And I think that this intersection
is competitive in that respect. It's already got a light, of course, but it really needs attention.
So I would recommend some kind of action towards studying the intersection And figuring how we can prioritize
it higher From the other perspective the safety perspective. I was appreciative of the fact that the
chief Talked about implicit bias training and I think that part of the reason for the very existence
of this Commission is that
Implicit bias exists in this city in many ways and one that's not conventionally covered by Federal
or state policy is implicit bias towards automobiles that We have an implicit bias towards the driver
that I think if what I'm hearing is correct that there's a concern among members of this Commission
that police officers who I don't think it's fair to really blame them for
Anything else they they they care. I mean in this situation, but they may well have an implicit bias
towards the driver It's used by the term as evidenced by the term accident I think it's very common
for people who don't realize that they have an implicit bias towards Automobiles that they use the term
accident. Well, it couldn't be anybody's fault. It's just an accident but I know that
Other departments of the city have made an effort to start using the word crash the word collision Which
doesn't assign blame, but it also doesn't absolve anyone of blame and I think that that's That's an
issue here, I think that's an issue for these Accidents that were that were that we're talking about
now and that was brought up it in Park Ridge East And that we need to address
any implicit bias that we have in the city towards automobiles because Literally all the documents that
we're supposed to follow are supposed to emphasize non automotive forms of transportation and This is
a good example of why we're here is this issue. So I think that the chief I regret that he's not in
the room that he was sensitive to criticism here. It's understandable I think that this is one aspect
of the policy that
That we need to change. I don't expect a police officer to I don't I kind of don't blame them yet for
using the term accident or for treating You know for not really thinking Harder about writing a citation
for someone who caused injury But we're busy measuring fatalities and serious injuries throughout the
city and here is an example of a serious injury that we have direct testimony from someone who said
that my life was changed for this, and we hear from Mr. Drumme that, you know, it all but doesn't go
recorded so that it can be cited in court later. It's a thorny problem. We can't expect the chief alone
to solve it, and we shouldn't. It's literally why we're here, and so I think that's why this is an excellent
inquiry that really needs to be at least researched more. I just don't know
what I'd recommend in that second case, except more research at the moment. Although I'm certainly open
to entertaining any motion for resolution to that end. But that's my initial thought. I'd love to hear
feedback from members. Is there a second round comment from anybody on my left? I think we should move
forward with the petition for the infrastructure part and the revolution
for the Policy part On my right Any further comment All right, mr. Sasberg, would you I guess we need
a little help from staff to structure this. How do we make a recommendation here? Do we just say I can't
read it Do we have to be a specific to make a specific petition a resolution if
If your goal is to ask for something to be done specifically, yes, you should be as clear and specific
as possible. Mr. Sasberg, would you care to frame it? Yeah, so I heard a number of calls for infrastructure
improvements at the intersection. I think we should take those collectively and then leave it to our
staff to come up with final recommendations there. One way to bundle them together
is to think about it as part of our greenway network, which is a higher comfort, higher safety part
of our street system that is designed for vulnerable road users. I think we don't want to always respond
to every case with like, oh, there was a crash. We should do better at that intersection because we
have a lot of crashes. But this is a case where we are trying to have a system that is safer for our
Vulnerable real users in this intersection. I think it's failed us So the petition I would propose is
to have the staff revisit the college and covenant or intersection as part of our greenways network
and Bring it up review the standards and bring it up to our safety standards for our greenway system.
That's a petition Yes, and you have a resolution as well. The resolution would be
the policy question In light of what we learned from the chief and from a personal injury lawyer here
to review our policy for citing drivers particularly Make sure that is aligned with our safe streets
for all program and vision zero goals All right, let's take the petition first So do you have his motion?
Do you have it as a motion? Do you needed to make a motion?
I Understood the motion I don't Okay Mr. Robling is going to mr. Seabor for consultation Yeah
Take a TV timeout Okay, sorry about that I just wanted to make sure that planning and transportation
and engineering were all on the same page I Heard the the request. I don't think there's a specific
item that's being requested and that is tricky I think that
What was proposed is closer to be which would be asking us to study it with a short-term near-term and
long-term solution Which we absolutely can do and we can package that together with a potential petition
the idea behind the bring a petition forward is like to if you were the Mr. Midas's Observation that
you could add a sign. That's a specific thing we could do and could be included as a petition if that
makes sense. I
That one wouldn't need to be a petition just for the record, but It that is a thing that you could ask
us to do right now If that multiple motions can come from this inquiry, so why don't you make the first
motion? Okay be Then the motion would be for additional study of the college and covenant or intersection
as it pertains to our Greenways program to make sure it's safe enough. Is there a second for that motion? I
Second that motion. We have a motion in a second. Can we have a roll call vote on this first motion?
Davis yes Stossberg. Yes Coppock. Yes, Connell. Oh Sorry, yes. Sorry. I got into a groove a binder.
Yes bowling. Yes. Draw me. Yes flair. Yes That motion passes 8-0. Is there a second motion?
Do you need help framing it? Can you help mr. Midas frame the motion that she mentioned? That I would
say it for the signage is it I'm to clarify Well, if it's a good idea we should okay sure let's do a
motion to Request that the city staff put up signage saying yield to pedestrian for left-turn signals
at the college mall and Covenanter and
Is there a second if that's in line with the I don't know staffs Second the motion in a second. I'm
not sure what it was This is a new commission folks. We appreciate your patience. We're trying to muddle
our way through here Is this simply a request to staff? Is it a resolution that we're bringing or a
petition? I
Yeah, this one would be a resolution. Sorry. This would be what this one would be closer to a resolution
Okay, so mr. Miners are requesting a resolution to put signage up at the intersection Accordingly and
mrs. Davis to second it. Can we get a roll call vote on that motion? Stossberg Yes, copic. Yes, sir.
Right is Yes binder Yes, Bolin. Yes, drummy. Yes clarity. Yes Davis. Yes
That passes eight zero as well. Thank you. Mr. Midas. Is there another motion? Mr. Sasseberg So resolution
To review our policy on siding drivers in particular for alignment with our safe streets for all and
vision zero goals Is there a second for that motion second we have a motion in a second will the secretary
please call the roll on that third motion third resolution copy
No, Mr. Midas Yes binder. Yes Volant. Yes drumming. Yes clarity. Yes Davis. Yes, Stasberg. Yes that
Resolution or that motion passes 7-1 for a resolution. Are there any further motions? Last call seeing none
Thank you for bringing this this item to our attention. We appreciate it and we appreciate your patience
We now move to the last item in cases TCP 25 16 the local motion grant program application review and
funding allocations I see mr. Duncan back at the podium. Hi there again Hank Duncan safe streets program
manager I'll go through a quick background of the
Grant program and then allow these wonderful applicants to spend some time and advocate for their grants
The city funds local initiatives that promote walking and bicycling culture in Bloomington through the
local motion grant program The primary goal of the local motion grant program is to advance bicycle
and pedestrian mobility The this program intends to provide direct support to initiatives that focus
on cultural day-to-day or other locally based activities that also aim to strengthen our diverse and
vibrant bicycling and walking culture and
It is open to nonprofit organizations, locally owned businesses, and neighborhood associations for projects
that take place within Bloomington city limits. The locomotion grant program experiences one grant cycle
annually and requests are limited to one project application per cycle. Grant awards are capped at a
total maximum of $2,400 per project application. Historically, applications and funding allocations
were reviewed as part of the Bicycle and Pedestrian Safety Commission regular meeting business.
In accordance with inheriting the obligations of the bike and ped Commission staff have assumed that
the Transportation Commission is now tasked with supervising the locomotion grant program Applications
presented to the Commission for consideration are from the following groups the downtown branch of the
Monroe County Public Library I'm sorry if I get the pronunciation wrong Canarps moto club Summit Hill
Community Development Corporation the boys and girls clubs of Bloomington and
Mabel Heights Neighborhood Association, Monroe County YMCA, and the Bloomington Bicycle Project. All
seven applicants have requested $2,400 for a combined total of $14,400. Due to the high volume and quality
of applications for this 2025 grant cycle, the Planning and Transportation Department has increased
the total available amount of funding to $8,000.
Consequently staff have solicited the commission to prioritize which groups should receive funding and
how much funding should be allocated to each project proposal Pursuant to the formal adoption of the
responsibility to coordinate and supervise the program staff requests that commissioners review the
guidelines for the 2025 locomotion grant program approve specific applications for the disbursement
of grant funds by the Planning and Transportation Department and recommend a specific allocation of funds
Before we go into individual presentations. I want to Allow you all to ask any questions about the grant
program itself Thank you for the presentation mr. Duncan are there questions about the grant program
from commissioners Miss Davis Are any of the current applicants previous recipients of this grant yes,
and I don't I
a complete list from before I was at the city but from when I was at the city and maybe a couple of
years prior the Monroe County Public Library has received grants from this program The boys and girls
clubs of Bloomington has received grants from this program The Monroe County YMCA has been a past recipient
and the Bloomington bike project has been a past recipient I don't believe I missed anybody there Thank
you questions from other members
No other questions about the grant program. What's it? I do have a question. What's the total funding
available? $8,000 per person or altogether altogether Originally, it was $2,400 but after seeing the
high volume and quality of applications we allocated some extra funds for this program, okay and Okay,
that's fine. So can you do want to continue or is that I don't know what to do with this
That is all I had I'm going to throw it to Iris to organize the presentations and then the applicants
will come up and Talk about their projects. Oh, I see. Okay Ask a question mr. Drumming So then is the
idea that we will decide that decide how to allocate these funds this evening? preferably yes in
Worksheet was provided in the packet to sort of help guide facility like facilitating this part because
I recognized it It can be a little much to think about. Yeah I will add the caveat if you all need until
next month to decide Formally that time is available but logistically to get grants out before the end
of the calendar year It is easier on staff and applicants if you decide tonight
Point out that we have no meeting scheduled after this until January. It is very preferable that you
decide to know We need to decide tonight and with that I am very sorry that this meeting is taken as
long as it has for us to get to this I think we could have scheduled it differently, but any rate miss
Davis just a quick question Would it be possible to award? less than $2,400 yes, so for example if
Commission said well, let's give four groups $2,000 that would be an option any Allocation disbursement
that you all come up with that is allowed now. There are some projects that are I Would say more doable
executable with partial funding than others So keep that in mind, but yes, you can choose any disbursement
that you all want
Thank you any further questions before we Go forward with this Miss Davis, is it the time where you
want to make your announcement? Yes, I point of order mr. Chair, I Have a I I'm not sure if it's conflict
of interest, but I am involved with one of these organizations. So I will not be
Voting But all of these projects are fantastic and I encourage us to Think about Mobility in the broadest
possible sense. Thanks. All right, so you're accusing yourself then that's what you're saying That is
what I'm doing. All right, so Mr. Chair, sorry to interrupt. I also a point of order similarly. I'm
also involved in one of these organizations and I will I
for the same reason also be recusing myself from this. So dropping like flies, okay. All right, so we're
down to six. Anybody else wanna recuse themselves while we're at it? We can at least retain quorum?
All right. With that then, I guess we can simply invite each presenter. Yeah, staff are prepared to
present materials in the order they were sort of listed in the staff report with
The Monroe County Public Library up first for a presentation if that's amenable Were they given
an expectation of how much time they would have to present they they have been given the expectation
that they have about five minutes I believe all right, so we'll if you'll run the clock for five minutes
Yes, mr. Jackson
Thank you. My name is Chris Jackson. I am the Outreach Services Manager at Monroe County Public Library,
and my proposal for the Local Motion Grant is funding for free community Rolators. I assume that all
of you know what a Rolator is, but you may not have been familiar with the name. Trying to get the slides
here to move.
There we go. So a rollator is a form of a walker. It's sort of an enhanced walker, enhanced by having
four wheels, whereas most traditional walkers have either no wheels or two wheels. They also have hand
brakes that allow the user to stop the rollator from rolling, which can be very important if you're
in an unstable setting or on any sort of incline. They also have an integrated seat, so the user who
may have stamina or strength issues can take a rest safely wherever they may
And not have to find some other place to sit down They are a device that is now very commonly used and
for which there is a high demand
So why is the library guy asking for mobility aids? Well, it comes into another aspect of my job, which
is the library's ADA coordinator, where I also sit on the city of Bloomington Council for Community
Accessibility. And there, at CCA meetings, a group of wheelchair users who are regular participants,
including one, Ms. Davis, which is why she's accusing herself, were talking about the fact that they
all collectively have a lot of mobility aids that they've used
over the years but are no longer currently using. They're collecting dust in closets and garages, too
valuable to throw away but no easy way to get them to somebody who could benefit. So that group of CCA
members decided to do something about their dilemma and created a local nonprofit called
mall, which stands for Mobility AIDS Lending Library. Being a part of the same council, I heard the
word library and my ears certainly popped up and I realized that this was a good fit with the library
initiative that many libraries, including ours, is doing, which is a library of things. We don't just
circulate books and movies anymore. We also circulate in our library binoculars and ukuleles and cellular
hotspots and iPads and all sorts of non-traditional things that the
Has a need for so what a great thing for us to distribute mobility aids that can benefit people who
have health mobility disability things that prevent them from making full use of What they can experience?
So here's a picture of our library of things room. This is a brand new space that we just moved it into
last week, along with some signage. You'll see canes and crutches and walkers. What you don't see in
that picture is Rolators. Those are the four categories of things that we collect.
but we can't keep roll laters in stock because the demand is too high. Now, we don't purchase any of
these materials. They are all donations, and because we give them out for an indefinite period, unlike
most library loans, because it would be cruel to give somebody a cane and then say, but you need to
bring it back in three weeks, whether you're done with it or not, it's not an appropriate use, we feel,
for our regular collections budget with which we buy the books and movies and other things.
So if we were to get a local motion grant, we would use it to buy as many rollers as we could. They're
about $100 each, and we have a local vendor that's been part of the mall program that works with us
and gives us a good price on those. And the outcomes would be enhanced mobility, independence, safety,
and exercise for people with mobility limitations, whether it be a temporary or a permanent limitation.
And essentially, it would, we feel, enhance the community of walkers in the city of Bloomington.
So thank you for the opportunity to present this proposal Thank you, mr. Jackson. I appreciate it. Can
we go to the second order? Do we take questions? No, I believe the protocol here was to simply observe
all the presentations. All right. Thank you Let's go to the second presenter and the Knarps Motor Club
Is there someone here from the Knarps Motor Club? To present Maybe they're online
There was no prior coordination from a representative from this group. So staff are not aware of someone
Hoping to participate virtually at this time. Okay, can we then move to the next one some Hill Community
Development Corporation? Is there someone here? Yes, there is I
I'm Rhonda Moore, Capital Assets Manager for the Bloomington Housing Authority. And I'm here on behalf
of our sister company, Summit Hill Community Development Corporation. We would like to apply for a bike
repair station.
and a control baller just sitting next to it. We'd like to place that just off Monroe Street and our
Crestmont complex right behind the Crestmont Community Building. We have a lot of bicycle and, what
am I trying to think, mopeds, scooters that,
and they all could use a bike repair station. So that would be really beneficial in that area. I selected
that area because I have an 18 by seven foot spot in the parking lot that's not quite wide enough for
a vehicle. And I'd like to place the repair station
with a control bollard to protect it, and it's also in an area with several surveillance cameras, so
it should be well protected. The total amount for the repair station and the control bollard is $2,820.23,
so we've applied for the 24 and then the additional
400 and change would be our in-kind contribution and I would have our maintenance staff install those.
They both come with mounting hardware to install on concrete. Let's see, that's like the highlights
I've got. Does anybody have any questions? We're not taking questions at this time. Oh, okay.
Thank you, we're just taking presentations. Let's go now to the next presentation. That would be the
Boys and Girls Club of Bloomington. Is there someone here ready to present? To the right. Hi, my name
is Wendy Druckmiller and I am the Grants and Impact Director for the Boys and Girls Clubs of Bloomington.
And so tonight I'm going to talk a little bit about what our mission is How we build capacity for healthy
lifestyles the benefits of riding bikes and our project description, which is the club riders program
So the mission of the boys and girls clubs of Bloomington is to empower all young people especially
those who need us most to reach their full potential as caring productive and responsible citizens and
So our mission aligns with the Boys and Girls Clubs of America's vision to have local clubs like ours
be places where a child's individual circumstances do not determine their access to experiences.
With that, we plan our programs with a mindset to support academic achievement, preparing for life after
high school, developing good character and learning what it means to be a good citizen, and building
healthy habits early that lead to a desire to be physically active and positive health outcomes that
extend into adulthood.
So why do we need healthy lifestyles programs? I have my glasses on, so hopefully I can read everything
that I wrote here. But healthy, active children experience benefits like increased levels of academic
achievement, fewer behavioral problems, better health outcomes in adulthood, improved sleep hygiene,
and stress reduction and emotional well-being. However, today's youth are less healthy than in previous
decades. Less than one-third of school-age children get the daily recommended amount of physical activity,
Over the last 40 years, the number of youths affected by obesity has more than tripled, and sedentary
behaviors such as large amounts spent on screens are on the rise. So the Boys and Girls Clubs of Bloomington
fills an important role in our community by providing affordable, accessible childcare in a fun and
safe environment.
We just charged $20 for an annual membership, which includes transportation from their school site,
a daily snack or a meal, and participation in dynamic program choices Monday through Friday during the
school year and during summer and school breaks. We also walk the walk by modeling healthy choices through
engagement and partnerships with staff, volunteers, and community organizations that are committed to
nurturing healthy outcomes for Bloomington's youth.
As you all probably know, there's lots of benefits to riding bikes. It improves coordination and balance.
It also builds endurance and increases lung capacity. It gets kids outside, leading to better sleep
hygiene and overall stress reduction. Riding a bike is a great way to begin adopting healthy habits,
and youth who ride bikes regularly experience greater connection to the community and have opportunities
for socializing with their peers.
We offer healthy lifestyles programs that appeal to a wide-wage range of interests including cutters
soccer first tee golf upward basketball and cheerleading Yoga dance martial arts volleyball gymnastics
floor hockey and biking through our club riders program, which is what we're talking about tonight So
the club riders program focuses on creating new experiences for members Allowing them to explore Bloomington
is safe group setting members learn about safety bike etiquette route planning and bike maintenance
both in club and community settings
This is just a little bit about the two clubs that we're requesting funding for there's the Ferguson
Crestmont Club has looks like 549 registered members currently 30 388 of them youth and 161 teen members
and our Lincoln Street Club has 1497 registered members 1198 youth and 299 teen members and
A high percentage of the members who attend these clubs do not have access to riding bikes outside of
the experience that they have at the club due to time and money limitations Combined between these two
clubs nearly 500 households fall into the low to moderate income category Over 800 members are eligible
for free or reduced price lunch and just over 600 are single-parent households This is just a little
bit about a project timeline so in you know, our funding is to request to support staffing costs and
Both the Lincoln Street and the Ferguson Crestmont Club. We do have in-kind donations of bikes and helmets
that are being donated Our project timeline is to begin in January 2026 by hiring two additional youth
development staff members to run the club writers at our Ferguson Crestmont and Lincoln Street clubs
with registration opening up to families in January and Having an additional 20
Members go through the program by inner within our spring semester So club writers present some challenges
compared to other programs that can be ran indoors or with larger group while continuing to keep kids safe
For one thing, our staff to youth ratios are lower while in the community compared to in buildings.
And with the club riders program, where factors like traffic and inexperienced riders come into play,
the ratio is even lower, which is one to 10. There's also bike repairs and safety gear to consider.
However, through our partnerships and with your support, we were able to provide the experience to 140
members last year. The vision of the Boys and Girls Clubs of Bloomington is that we are a place where
hope begins and transformation never ends. Thank you very much. Thank you, just in time.
Pardon me just in time All right. Thank you. Let's go to the next proposal and that would be the Maple
Heights neighborhood association. Is that right? Yeah heights. Is there someone here from Maple Heights
who wants to present or online perhaps Is there any person attending this meeting online who is here
to present on behalf of the Maple Heights neighborhood association They are
I'm sorry, I didn't hear. Hello, can you hear me? Yes, please go ahead. You'll have five minutes. Thanks.
I'm going to try to share my screen. My name is Liberty Flora. I'm a resident of the Maple
Heights neighborhood. I am coming to you today to apply for an application to prepare and paint the
11th Street Bridge.
Just one second. I know I'm burning time, everybody. Thank you for allowing me to be here. I know we're
all busy and it's a late night. So can you see this? Yes. Okay. So as a quick background, the 11th Street
bridge is on the corner of 11th and Fairview.
It's a thoroughfare for many pedestrians using the beeline trail, going to the trades district, going
downtown, or even using Butler Park. The underpass of the train bridge creates a sense of, it doesn't
create a sense of safety for pedestrians and bikers alike. So I've experienced this as well as many
of my neighbors who have mentioned it in,
have also explained that they were reaching out to the Indiana Railroad without any luck and achieving
any kind of response from them. So I, this fall, reached out to the Indiana Railroad to kind of probe
them with an idea of removing the old paint and then preparing for a future mural or some sort of paint
on this project.
So I was successfully able to contact the Indiana Railroad. They are willing to provide some health
and safety features such as waivers, making sure that everyone on site who volunteers is, I guess, safe
in any kind of, when they participate in this. So I thought of it as an opportunity to move forward, even if
funding is split and is not the full amount of funds that I requested is granted completely because
what we're trying to do here is share this information with the public and let them know that we as
a neighborhood association care about not only the safety of pedestrians, but the way our neighborhood
looks and feels to people who have been here and people who are coming
through here and will be here in the future. So basically the goal is to coordinate, continue coordination
with the Indiana Railroad. We can't complete this without them, but so far they are on board. And then
also market to the public and come up with some other funds because this is, as you can see on the right, it's
just an estimate of $4,000 just to remove the paint and put on a blank slate. So through multiple iterations
with my neighborhood association, we thought it would be a good idea to also apply for the neighborhood
improvement grant, which would, if we were to receive that also, would put us closer to our goal of
putting in a mural. So having someone, whether it be one person or a multiple group of people do a mural
at this location and seal it so that it's going to withstand potential graffiti or weather conditions
that have caused it to get to this place in the first place. So it's going to be a year long process,
but we thought this was a good opportunity to get our feet
you know get things rolling and and Really have the Indiana Railroad on board with what we're doing
and build trust within them And so that's why I applied for the local motion grant And I think I'm probably
at my five minutes So I want to thank you all very much and hope you all get home soon to your families
and loved ones Thank you very much. Thank you. You had more than a minute left, but we'll take that
time That's okay
Let's go now to the Monroe County YMCA. Please come to the podium. You'll have five minutes.
And the last one, the Bloomington Bike Project. Is there someone here from that group? Great. My name
is Kevin Vail, and I am the development director at the Monroe County YMCA. I first want to thank the
Bloomington Bicycle and Pedestrian Safety Commission, the Transportation Commission for this awesome
opportunity for both the YMCA
all these incredible, worthy organizations here in Bloomington. The YMCA is applying for Healthy Kids
Day, which is on April 18th, 2026. The goal of Healthy Kids Day is pretty simple. It's to improve the
health and well-being of kids and families. It's a free community event with numerous activities for
both kids and their families. These activities range from STEM to family contests.
With the understanding that well-being extends beyond fitness within fitness Focus has been placed at
the YMCA that Fitness extends beyond structured exercise or structured sport for children that often
represents play and things like bicycles We're placing a focus on
Cardio moderate to high cardio fitness activities That again extend beyond structured sport and this
is where we want to involve bicycles in our healthy kids today Anecdotally, we're learning more and
more that children participating in our summer camps
Can't ride a bicycle at an age that one would expect a child to be able to ride a bicycle And this can
happen for a number of reasons. They simply just don't know how they don't have a bike or they don't
have a working bike With our healthy kids day. We intend to involve bicycles because of this IU health
will be doing free helmet and
Fittings and giveaways and we intend to have a local bike shop or bike club doing light-duty tune-ups
and safety inspections Again our goal is to advocate for health and wellness outcomes extending beyond
the four walls of the YMCA teaching children skills and encouraging skills for families to become healthier
versions of themselves
We are fortunate enough at the Y to have 6,000 local households as active members representing 16,000
individuals Robust marketing efforts will take place for this event to that population and to the community
at large Recognizing this grant opportunity all along the way. We intend to move forward With Healthy
Kids Day in 2026 and hope the Commission can help the Y incorporate bike safety functionality and access
into our event. Thank you
Thank you. Our final presentation is from the Bloomington bike club. Bike project, sorry. Bloomington
bike project. I think I have some slides. I don't know if you have them or not. If you don't have them,
I can go off the cuff. That's okay.
That's that's just fine. We'll go with those slides. There were some pretty pictures of the bike project,
but I'll just paint that picture for you I'm Greg Janowiak here with the Bloomington bike project for
those of you who are not familiar the bike project is a fully volunteer supported bike shop about a
block and a half that way we Are open three days a week and also on Saturday for three hours
Folks come into our bike shop To use our tools and to fix their bicycles. They get a little help from
our volunteer mechanics Some folks also come in to purchase a bicycle Or components all of our bicycles
and components are listed at well below market value They're really affordable something that people
like about this particular place in town. So what are we applying for? We need help
Fixing some things so that we can continue fixing bikes The three things that are top of our list right
now is our air compressor our bike work stands and Our consumables that are commonly used by folks who
visit the bike project So the air compressor you might think of why do we need an air compressor if
you have pumps? Well, I
We're open for two hours a shift when we are open and so efficiency is key If we're fighting over pumps
or looking at you know for pumps around the shop We're losing valuable time. The air compressor is important
to us. In addition, it's also available for use 24 hours a day seven days a week The way we have it
set up at our location same thing with the work stands They've been in heavy use for many years now
and either need repaired or replaced So we're looking to repair and replace some of those
Our consumables that are really popular but not often donated are things like lights lubricants and
locks All things that folks need to get around town on their bicycles safely and many of the visitors
that we have to the bike project are riding their bicycles as a primary form of transportation around
Bloomington
So we expect that the air compressor is probably the most Expensive thing to fix here Followed by our
work stands and then the remaining part of the budget for consumables But really what we're looking
for is we'd love to see this local motion program go Directly to support the the parts of our organization
they get folks back out on their bikes So I'm really looking forward to that
Just want to thank everyone for being here listening to to our proposal and looking forward to working
with you all in the future Thank you for the presentation all right, so we have seven worthy applicants
and we've heard presentations from six I think We could split up eight thousand dollars evenly and
48 percent 48 48 percent of each request most most of them are asking for the full 2400 we could fund
three and a third in full Whatever the third means or we could do something else I'm not sure how the
prior Commission did this if there's someone who was on the bike pet Commission who has done these before
Mr. Duncan, maybe you can advise us Hi, I would recommend
Asking any questions you have for the applicants now and then go into deliberations after so we can
send them home if they want to leave Okay, after you ask them questions just recommendations But could
I invite the the applicants over here to come closer to the microphone in case we have a question for
you? Because we'd like to try to minimize the amount of time Here. All right. Are there any questions
from members to any of the applicants? I
Mr. Coppock, maybe of the staff how many of the applicants have been funded before Of the current applicants
the YMCA the Bloomington bike project boys and girls club and Monroe County Public Library have been
funded before Any other questions from members mr. Flaherty
Yeah briefly for the Mender Carney YMCA and noted your Application said that your budget goal for why
for all in 2026 is $125,000 and this would be a good jumpstart towards that way. Could you could you
describe it all like I'm asking because it's a bit different than some of the other applications that
have total project budgets of three or four thousand dollars and curious for how you imagine this fitting
into the overall fundraising or development plan and where else you anticipate you might be able to
Raise funds or where you might fall short that yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So when looking at why for all
a The vast vast majority of those dollars that we receive come from individual gifts Mostly our members
some former members who moved away it could come through charitable trusts from people who pass on but
in the vast majority of instances it does come from individual gifts we've
Place the focus on seeking more local dollars to support those why for all scholarship initiatives why
for all fun for anyone that's not familiar Provide scholarships to people in the community who are not
able to afford the wise services every year we send kids to camp summer camp we send a ton of seniors
we don't put guardrails on who could apply for why for all we encourage everyone and
Anyone who's in a position of need to apply but most often seeing see it affecting children for summer
camp Single-parent households and seniors on limited incomes. So the goal would be to use up the dollars
that are available to Prepare for Healthy Kids Day and every any overage wouldn't go to operations.
It would go to that why for all scholarship fund
Got it. And is there a Healthy Kids Day specific budget like a smaller landing under that one's for
that is one thing that we're still ironing out, you know, Healthy Kids Day is planned for 2026, but
it'll be covered through operations. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it further questions I've got
one if I've got a question for the library, mr. Jackson
What is the current waiting list for roll leaders?
We had two come in last week and they went out right away. So I don't currently have anyone on the waiting
list We've had up to three or four people on the list at one time It is of the four categories of items
that we distribute Canes crutches walkers and rollators. It is the one where we don't get donations
sufficient to to meet the demand We did get a grant from another entity two years ago when we were just
starting from the wall charitable trust that allowed us to purchase
which is 25 rollators, those had all gone out within about six months of their receipt. I would also
like to say that we sometimes get items back. People do sometimes need them for a short period of time
to recover from an accident or a surgery or something like that. So it's not a goes out once and only
benefits one person situation. Probably about one fourth of them do circulate to more than one person.
So you don't really have a sense of the pent-up demand because that you don't keep a waiting list Well,
we do when when when we have people who want them and we don't have them in stock Currently, it's it's
almost parity but but not quite so it's it's the one item where we do sometimes have a waiting list
even though we Currently we have nobody on the waiting list, but we also have no roll layers.
So got it. Thank you. Sure any further questions from members for any of the
applicants Seeing none it does this subject to public comment All right, let's open the floor to public
comment for people who are not already spoken There's nobody in the room who's not an applicant. So
if there anybody online who would like to comment on These allocations. Oh, is there a member of the
public who okay? Oh
Please come and state your name. If you're online, please raise your hand in zoom and the secretary
will call your name as soon as possible You'll have three minutes. Please state your name Thank you,
David Brandt as I Just wanted to speak in support of the Bloomington bike project They are a very scrappy
group of people that help people multiple times a week and you know, these are
the customers that are coming in are wanting to walk and bike and sometimes we see scooters there as
well. But it is a very useful resource that people are like trying to fix their bikes so that they can
get home that day. So I think this is a very quick and dirty solution to make sure that they can keep
running as they run now. I also want to voice some support for
the library as well, I think that's a very cool low-waste solution that serves some older folks or people
with mobility issues that aren't commonly a part of all of these other, I would say, like walking and
biking conversations, so I learned about that today and thought that was a very cool program, so thank you.
Thank you. Is there any other public comment? Is there anybody on zoom who wishes to speak? Last call
for public comment on TCP 2516 local motion grant program application review and funding allocations
Seeing then we'll come back to the Commission and those who have not recused themselves for Debate How
do we split this money?
I'm looking for comments my comment drumming would would be the full amount of the request is 2400 2400
is the max they can ask for we have 8,000 total to allocate and I'm not one that likes to split the
baby generally But what if we one way to solve this problem would be or because of they're all I appreciate
you all being here is giving the groups that have never received this grant the full amount of the funding and
And then dividing up the rest equally amongst the other applicants would be one way mathematically to
do it But I'm open to you. I would love to hear everyone's ideas Any other ideas There's only six of
us mr. Stossberg, yeah one of the Criteria we're looking at is capacity I think that individuals applying
are at a disadvantage
The narps moto club seemed to be primarily an individual wanting to do one event So that only heightened
my concern About their capacity to to do that with no one showing up. So I would recommend Against funding
that one-off event Any other thoughts
If there's no in forthcoming, I'll make a couple thoughts. I tend to prefer to fund infrastructure over
operating For dollars like this So, I mean I very much Find the NARP's proposal interesting But it's
like one-time event whereas the two projects that are talking about bicycle repair stations and
Those are going to be ongoing and long-lasting and tangible So I tend to prefer the proposals that are
asking for money for buying equipment So The bike project the neighborhood association the the bicycle
repair shop at Summit Hill and the rolling walkers and
Like I don't want to not fund anything else I think that there's a couple that really only will happen
if we give them the full 2400 So I don't know what to do about that. I don't know if the event will
happen if they get less than the full amount But I think we should evaluate there too. Can I just get
a quick poll? Which of the three that haven't been funded before? The Knarps moto club, I think is one
Summit Hill and Maple Heights
Those three are new. Yeah, okay. That helps me. Anyway, those are some of my thoughts anybody else who
hasn't spoken yet Who is eligible to vote mr. Midas? Oh, mr. Flaherty, I believe every Applicant did
say they they would be willing and able to complete the project with partial funding. Okay, good I'm
sure there's an amount of money. It could be small enough that that might not be true Okay, any other
comments The Maple Heights project just I think it's wonderful project I use the bridge a lot but it
seems like it may align more with some of the city's beautification grants since it's more focused on
getting rid of graffiti and beautification and just a thought I Don't see it as much aligning with the
local motion specifically Any thoughts about which
Which proposals would be able to better benefit from partial funding or not better benefit but would
Not suffer from only being partially funded This is this is a really hard way to do this in one meeting
I wish we had more time Is it possible that we can?
Call another meeting Just to talk about this in December staff Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely Because
this is a difficult decision I don't know how many of us after having heard the presentations are really
willing to make the decision tonight Do members have any thoughts about Making a decision in December.
I think it would be best to what's that?
I think it'd be best to finish our discussion tonight. I think as a meeting for an $8,000 budget is
a little Operationally heavy. Okay, so Anybody else have an opinion? We can keep going If there's no
other opinions I need a motion I Need a proposal for how to split this money up
I can't meet the proposal myself on the chair We're not going to do it this way next year I Would have
a proposal mr. Drummond partial proposal I would propose that we fund the Bloomington bike project in
the Monroe County Library project in full That's $4,800, okay and
Equally distribute the remaining portion of it to the remaining projects, which would be Summit Hill
Maple Heights YMCA and Boys and Girls Club. Can someone do the math on that? So that would be thirty
two hundred dollars divided by five which would be Six hundred and forty. Sorry. I think we've kind
of said we'll take NARP's maybe off of the table for consideration and
Okay, so I'm hearing a $800 for four other groups and $2,400 for the library roll leaders the Wilmington
bike project That sounds like a proposal. Mr. Flaherty. I like the general direction of this proposal.
I would have put summit hill and Higher on the list of like there's this is
Sort of a something close to full funding to get the the project done and So I would have leaned here's
a counter proposal. Okay Nothing to NARPs or Maple Heights I'll just second the comments early about
maple heights that maybe there's a better fit and also they signaled the Desire to actually do this
as a mural ultimately and I wonder about this being folded into the mural project I know that wasn't
their aim but
So my proposal would be actually 2,000 each to the library summit hill and bike project with 1,000 each
going to Boys and girls club and YMCA. I think both of which are really great projects but Sort of in
the context of a larger operational setting for programmatic things So okay. So once again your proposal
is the library 2k NARPs zero
Summit Hill 1k. Nope. Summit Hill 2k 2k Boys and Girls Club 1k Maple Heights 0 0 YMCA 1k white project
2k and that's 8,000. Okay, I Would I would second that if it was a motion? Okay. Well, let's sure we're
still in discussion phase Let's before we put motions of the table that we have to vote on just seeing
if we can get a consensus so I've got the Johnny's sure Midas proposal, which is
2,400 for the library 2,400 for the bike project and then 800 each for the other four. I'll withdraw
my proposal Yeah, I like Are you see two motions? All right. So once again just to One more time if
you would restate your proposal Would we like a motion or would folks like that discussion? Well, I
is there any further discussion any other ideas for among the six who can vote?
Okay, I move we allocate the $8,000 budget as follows 2002 public library 0 to NARPs 2000 to Summit
Hill 1000 to boys and girls clubs 0 to Maple Heights 1000 to YMCA 2000 to bike project and There's a
second second. Who's the second? Second mr. Minus is the second. All right
We've already have public comment. So I guess it's time for a vote Okay, well the secretary, please
call the roll on the motion Binder Epstein. Oh, sorry. That was the note I had and then I read it at
Bowlin Yes, draw me yes Flaherty. Yes Stossberg. Yes Coppock
Yes, yes All right that motion passes six zero Congratulations to those who have won a grant or condolences
those who haven't we thank you all for your time and your Consideration tonight. We appreciate your
patience as well We now move to items discussion of topics not on the docket. Are there any Any issues
that members want to raise mr. Flaherty I
Had a short one I hope short in the context of our commission getting its footing and transitioning
into next year And also an item that was when we were looking at the schedule earlier Staff had the
kind of lineup for like agenda items. I'll actually you know, and then packet items submitted and I'm
I realized I'm not clear on the process if there if there is one for suggesting agenda items for getting
things in the packet and
Does that go to the chair? How is that coordinated? I guess how are we creating agendas? I know there's
petitions coming from staff, but what's the role of commissioners in the chair? Yeah, I can clarify
that so in at the bottom of that schedule that includes all the deadlines is the Bloomington short link
with TC appeal and that is a unique form that all commissioners and staff can use to submit a
To request items be put on the agenda on a monthly basis The liaisons are meeting to settle out what
is an appropriate agenda for the month that's an advance, you know following the the agenda deadline
and There has been Nothing requested that we haven't been able to incorporate into the planning process
so far but in terms of
What it looks like everyone who requests we put on the agenda isn't notified when it will be Eventually
heard it's the idea Okay, and then is the chair involved in the conversation with delays on in terms
of like I'm thinking of the council kind of analog here of like a little bit of traffic keeping pardon
the transportation pun of like Look, we have pretty long night tonight for instance also know it's the
last night of the last meeting of the year every had business to get through and I'm
lengthening it now but I'm just wondering about the role of the chair and in particular from the council
perspective have always been a little sensitive to making sure there's some degree of independence and
ability to Impact the the shape of a commission's work on top of whatever the exact, you know staff
and executive branch is bringing yeah, so this is a Something that the city engineer is is I think written
into code is ultimately deciding the agenda and
There's a couple reasons for that logistically, but principally trying to maintain sort of a boundary
between, you know, what's like an administrative procedure and what could be perceived as a business,
a discussion of business. So far we've just been able to maintain this as a formality in terms of discussing
topics. I don't know, Andrew, if you want to speak into it any further.
I can also follow up via email. Sorry. I was just trying to get a little better sense for yeah agenda
sourcing Other three visit code to address the thing you just mentioned but okay So right now it's it's
done entirely by staff with commissioners having the ability all commissioners having the abilities
Request an agenda item. Is that right? That is correct. Okay. Thank you Any other items for topics not
on that? We're not around the dock tonight's docket Seeing none
We go to general public comment for items not on the docket. Is there anyone there's no one in the room
to speak Is there anyone on zoom who would like to speak on an item that was not on tonight's agenda?
Please raise your hand in zoom and the secretary will call your name So anyone on zoom who would like
to speak to an item that was not on the agenda Last call Having said that let's just confirm that our
next meeting will be January 26th
That right in this room at 530 and that's a regular hearing and not a planning session. Is that correct?
Okay with that we are adjourned. Happy New Year. Thank you everyone for putting up with us this first year