WEBVTT 00:00:02.722 --> 00:00:31.038 - of the Transportation Commission is called to order. Will the staff please call the roll? Here. Here. Here. 00:00:33.154 --> 00:00:46.501 - Here Here Thank you first item on the agenda we start with reports and communications To start with 00:00:46.501 --> 00:01:01.182 - are there any reports from commissioners? Seeing none moving on next we move on to report from staff first is 00:01:01.922 --> 00:01:10.801 - 180-day order update Good evening commissioners Andrew seabor city engineer here to provide you a status 00:01:10.801 --> 00:01:19.341 - update on 180-day orders Since your last meeting no new orders have been issued but did just want to 00:01:19.341 --> 00:01:26.782 - let you know that two Prior orders were reissued this was I think the first time that I 00:01:27.074 --> 00:01:34.316 - Orders have been reissued now multiple times on these particular items. The first one is four all-way 00:01:34.316 --> 00:01:41.487 - stops on 7th Street. And then the other is related to loading zones adjacent to Kirkwood Avenue. I'm 00:01:41.487 --> 00:01:49.084 - happy to answer any questions you have about these orders. Mr. Flaherty. Thank you. Thanks for the report. 00:01:49.084 --> 00:01:54.622 - Were both of those orders extended more than one time, or just the first one? 00:01:56.162 --> 00:02:04.535 - I believe they have both now been extended toy Multiple times and does engineering staff plan to bring 00:02:04.535 --> 00:02:12.828 - those to the City Council? Or are they required to come to City Council for? Permanent status and the 00:02:12.828 --> 00:02:21.201 - idea that a timeline for that sure it is fair question ultimately the topic of these and Title 15 does 00:02:21.201 --> 00:02:25.022 - need to go to City Council where things are is 00:02:25.890 --> 00:02:32.168 - Our city administration legal team was trying to work with the council legal team and started to work 00:02:32.168 --> 00:02:38.445 - on just the larger discussion about Title 15 and what should be or shouldn't be in that. But that did 00:02:38.445 --> 00:02:44.723 - not get resolved. So I think this is kind of hanging in the balance of those ongoing discussions. And 00:02:44.723 --> 00:02:50.877 - the timeline of that I don't have anything to offer. Thank you. And would that be true for like all 00:02:50.877 --> 00:02:55.678 - 180-day orders that were kind of in a limbo of sorts and would just use those 00:02:56.514 --> 00:03:04.462 - repeat until we have a Legal clarity and agreement between the council office and the mayor's office. 00:03:04.462 --> 00:03:12.565 - I think that's the current anticipated Approach to these and where I would keep this commission updated 00:03:12.565 --> 00:03:21.214 - of those orders But yeah, I welcome further dialogue on that. Thank you The commission on 180-day order update 00:03:24.674 --> 00:03:31.837 - Seeing none, we can move on to the next report from staff, which is the parking study status update. 00:03:31.837 --> 00:03:39.072 - Thank you. Hi, my name is Michelle wall and the parking service director for the city of Bloomington. 00:03:39.072 --> 00:03:46.661 - In March of 2025, the city partnered with Walker consultants to conduct a comprehensive review of downtown 00:03:46.661 --> 00:03:49.214 - residential parking in Bloomington. 00:03:49.666 --> 00:03:56.275 - The study has focused on rates, policies, operations, enforcement, technology, with the goal of creating 00:03:56.275 --> 00:04:02.695 - a parking system that is efficient, equitable, and sustainable. Throughout 2025, the Walker's project 00:04:02.695 --> 00:04:09.179 - team conducted stakeholder meetings, site visits, public surveys, and gathered community feedback. The 00:04:09.179 --> 00:04:15.725 - Transportation Commission has continued to be informed about updates and has been a part of a dedicated 00:04:15.725 --> 00:04:16.606 - presentation. 00:04:17.474 --> 00:04:24.660 - From December, 2025 through March of 2026, the draft report was revised following a leader project consultant 00:04:24.660 --> 00:04:31.192 - immediate departure from Walker. Also an internal review was done. It was then recently shared with 00:04:31.192 --> 00:04:38.117 - the working group, which is made up of representatives from ESD, planning, engineering, and public works, 00:04:38.117 --> 00:04:44.910 - as well as the parking service team for additional input. So looking ahead, the next several weeks will 00:04:44.910 --> 00:04:47.262 - be focused on review and discussion 00:04:47.810 --> 00:04:55.145 - April 17th, the draft report will be presented to this commission with comments and writing requested 00:04:55.145 --> 00:05:02.695 - by April 24th. April 27th, parking services will present key findings, including potential rate changes, 00:05:02.695 --> 00:05:09.886 - enforcement updates, and new parking technology. And any additional questions will be collected for 00:05:09.886 --> 00:05:16.574 - written follow-up at that time. May 18th, parking service will propose to the transportation 00:05:16.770 --> 00:05:24.134 - Commission updates to Title 15 and will be presented based on the study's recommendation. On May 20th, 00:05:24.134 --> 00:05:31.355 - it's our goal that Walker Consultants will present their report and recommendations to City Council. 00:05:31.355 --> 00:05:38.718 - Overall, the study provides a roadmap for improving Bloomington's parking system and it sure continues 00:05:38.718 --> 00:05:43.294 - to meet the community's needs now and to the future. Thank you. 00:05:44.258 --> 00:05:53.219 - Questions from the Commission on the parking study Thank you for the update I'm looking forward to reviewing 00:05:53.219 --> 00:06:01.769 - in April Am I recalling correctly that the scope of this particular study isn't the full Parking system 00:06:01.769 --> 00:06:10.730 - or set of parking policies at the city. It's like specific to Downtown or is it everything is it everything? 00:06:10.730 --> 00:06:13.278 - Oh, okay. It's everything. Yes 00:06:13.666 --> 00:06:24.074 - Mistaken recollection. Yeah, thank you. Okay. Thanks for confirming that great Any other comments from 00:06:24.074 --> 00:06:34.482 - the Commission If not, thank you, thank you for your report The next report is on West 3rd Street from 00:06:34.482 --> 00:06:41.758 - Buckner Street to South Davidson Street So on West 3rd Street there are 00:06:41.858 --> 00:06:48.228 - are several blocks of traffic calming islands that require drivers to do a chicanning maneuver where 00:06:48.228 --> 00:06:54.599 - they have to go left and right. And that encourages them to reduce their speeds and use Third Street 00:06:54.599 --> 00:07:01.032 - less as a cut-through route. These have been in place for several years, but it's been brought to our 00:07:01.032 --> 00:07:07.339 - attention by sanitation and drivers of snowplows that it's been hard for them to turn in and off of 00:07:07.339 --> 00:07:10.430 - these streets because of the tight nature of it. 00:07:10.658 --> 00:07:16.134 - What's happening is that they're either driving over the curb or over the islands or they're striking 00:07:16.134 --> 00:07:21.716 - the wall of the cemetery. Because of this, we went out to the field and we observed the vehicles making 00:07:21.716 --> 00:07:27.299 - these maneuvers and we talked to our streets department and we realized that the best thing to do would 00:07:27.299 --> 00:07:32.990 - be to cut down the size of some of these islands so that we could still maintain traffic calming effects, 00:07:32.990 --> 00:07:36.318 - but allowing these larger vehicles to still make their turns. 00:07:36.994 --> 00:07:44.207 - I did note that sanitation and snow plows were the ones that we were aware of, but I'm also assuming 00:07:44.207 --> 00:07:51.421 - that larger vehicles for deliveries are also having these same challenges. And so if you look at the 00:07:51.421 --> 00:07:58.705 - image, the two blocks that we're looking at are Buckner and Davison. Buckner is the one that's on the 00:07:58.705 --> 00:08:04.990 - east side, and then one block to the west is Davison. So for Buckner, there's an island 00:08:06.210 --> 00:08:12.841 - directly west of the intersection. And that island, we're proposing to cut back about half of the length. 00:08:12.841 --> 00:08:19.409 - And then over at Davidson, on the east side of the intersection, we're doing the same thing. We're gonna 00:08:19.409 --> 00:08:25.851 - cut back the length of about a half. And then to the west of that intersection, there's an island that 00:08:25.851 --> 00:08:32.107 - we tried to keep as much of the space, but due to simplicity and just to prevent future issues with 00:08:32.107 --> 00:08:35.422 - vehicles, we're just gonna remove the entire island. 00:08:35.522 --> 00:08:42.838 - Even if we remove these islands or make them smaller, that will still have a traffic calming effect. 00:08:42.838 --> 00:08:50.371 - But it will still allow larger vehicles to make the turns and not damage the islands or the wall. Thank 00:08:50.371 --> 00:08:56.962 - you for your report. Thank you. Comments from commission? Mr. Flaherty? Thank you. This is 00:08:56.962 --> 00:09:04.350 - really interesting. Does anybody actually know how long those islands have been there? Quite a while. 00:09:04.610 --> 00:09:12.981 - I want to say 25 years or more. I'm just curious. I'm sympathetic to the changes. I understand 00:09:12.981 --> 00:09:22.322 - the constraints. I'm wondering what changed. We've just been sort of tolerating folks running into things 00:09:22.322 --> 00:09:31.134 - for multiple decades. Did vehicles get bigger? I don't know. Anybody have any opinions or thoughts? 00:09:31.426 --> 00:09:37.380 - I think there's a couple things I want to say these islands the traffic calming is I'm gonna guess 15 00:09:37.380 --> 00:09:43.567 - years or so old I'm certainly pre my time but not not much before maybe I think what is really generating 00:09:43.567 --> 00:09:49.520 - the timing of this now is both just I guess primarily what's leading to it right now is a resurfacing 00:09:49.520 --> 00:09:55.415 - project the road hasn't been resurfaced since these islands were going in so by nature we're needing 00:09:55.415 --> 00:09:59.326 - to reevaluate this quarter like we do all others and that's what I 00:09:59.842 --> 00:10:08.881 - why we're exploring making changes along with that project. Got it. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Other 00:10:08.881 --> 00:10:17.920 - comments from commissioners. Thank you for that report. This now we move on to the part of our agenda 00:10:17.920 --> 00:10:26.871 - for cases. The first case is TCI 2601. It's a transportation inquiry regarding Morningside Drive and 00:10:26.871 --> 00:10:27.934 - Smith Road. 00:10:33.794 --> 00:10:44.187 - Taylor or Alexander is here. That would be the chance to take the microphone Hello, my name is Brianna 00:10:44.187 --> 00:10:54.278 - Alexander and I am the mother of Lena the ten-year-old who was recently hit by a car while crossing 00:10:54.278 --> 00:11:00.030 - the intersection at Morningside Drive and Smith Road and 00:11:02.690 --> 00:11:08.425 - Immediately after crash after the crash sitting in the hospital ER watching my daughter repeatedly Vomit 00:11:08.425 --> 00:11:13.942 - up the blood she had swallowed from missing teeth that were knocked out on impact. I was overwhelmed 00:11:13.942 --> 00:11:19.459 - with guilt I had failed to keep my daughter safe My husband and I had only begun letting Lena across 00:11:19.459 --> 00:11:25.031 - Smith Road this past summer after she asked to be able to go to visit her best friend's house and the 00:11:25.031 --> 00:11:26.014 - Yellow Slide Park 00:11:26.562 --> 00:11:32.450 - It was a decision we made carefully and only after many conversations about safety and weeks of her 00:11:32.450 --> 00:11:38.396 - demonstrating she was responsible enough to always wear her helmet, travel with friends, and be home 00:11:38.396 --> 00:11:44.166 - on time. I was so nervous, but also know how important independence is for a child's development. 00:11:44.166 --> 00:11:50.525 - Nonetheless, sitting in the ER waiting for answers on the extent of the damage to her little body, managing 00:11:50.525 --> 00:11:52.350 - my composure to keep her calm, 00:11:53.186 --> 00:11:58.973 - Thinking through how to make her whole again and trying not to let my mind spiral to the worst outcomes. 00:11:58.973 --> 00:12:04.705 - I felt like I had failed her When tragedy happens your instinct is to turn inward But when your village 00:12:04.705 --> 00:12:10.327 - shows up to help it reminds you that you're part of a bigger picture Before we even got home from the 00:12:10.327 --> 00:12:16.060 - hospital a neighbor had organized a meal train to help take the pressure off while we focused on Lena's 00:12:16.060 --> 00:12:21.406 - care and almost immediately dates filled up and messages of care and concern were rolling in and 00:12:22.210 --> 00:12:28.436 - Over the next weeks, the messages from terrified parents who couldn't help but put themselves in our 00:12:28.436 --> 00:12:34.785 - shoes made me realize it could have been anyone's child. I hadn't failed. What happened to my daughter 00:12:34.785 --> 00:12:40.949 - was not an anomaly. It was an inevitability. Every neighbor I spoke with had stories of close calls 00:12:40.949 --> 00:12:47.175 - in that intersection, feeling like they had to be hyper vigilant after witnessing distracted drivers 00:12:47.175 --> 00:12:49.086 - rolling through, not stopping. 00:12:49.986 --> 00:12:56.594 - The intersection at Smith and Morningside does not demand driver attention. It needs upgrades that will. 00:12:56.594 --> 00:13:03.201 - Doing nothing now is not neutrality. It is the decision to accept that this will happen again. A serious 00:13:03.201 --> 00:13:09.809 - injury crash is no longer just a statistical probability according to your own data. It has now happened 00:13:09.809 --> 00:13:16.542 - to a child. Parents should not have to choose between their child's independence and their child's safety. 00:13:17.122 --> 00:13:23.402 - They deserve the peace of mind that our roads are designed to keep them safe. I urge you to allocate 00:13:23.402 --> 00:13:29.869 - funds for immediate safety improvements at the intersection of Smith Road and Morningside Drive because 00:13:29.869 --> 00:13:36.274 - no parent should have to stand in an emergency room wondering if a simple walk to the park has changed 00:13:36.274 --> 00:13:42.430 - their child's life forever. And I've got some photos, I don't know, of the injuries she sustained. 00:13:46.978 --> 00:13:54.431 - Are we able to display the photos? I don't believe we are able to display the photos. But if you would 00:13:54.431 --> 00:14:01.956 - like to pass them to commissioners, I believe that that is certainly from the realm. Thank you for your 00:14:01.956 --> 00:14:09.191 - presentation. To just give an overview of how this inquiry process works, we have an opportunity to 00:14:09.191 --> 00:14:15.486 - comment and ask questions. Then there'll be public comment, both in person and online. 00:14:15.746 --> 00:14:23.815 - and then we'll come back to the transportation commission where we have an option to request further 00:14:23.815 --> 00:14:31.884 - study or information or request a future petition or resolution that addresses the issues raised. So 00:14:31.884 --> 00:14:39.873 - to start that, do commissioners have other questions for the petition or initial comments before we 00:14:39.873 --> 00:14:42.270 - move to public comment? Okay. 00:14:43.074 --> 00:14:51.304 - We'll move to public comment first. We will have in-person comment and then we'll move to online So 00:14:51.304 --> 00:14:59.534 - there's someone from the audience who would like to speak Before we start the Speakers must sign in 00:14:59.534 --> 00:15:08.258 - and be recognized by the chair. Okay, we're limited to one three minutes three minutes per speaker Direct 00:15:08.258 --> 00:15:12.126 - dialogue with the Commission and not permitted 00:15:13.122 --> 00:15:23.226 - Remarks must remain respectful and zoom folks can use their race and people race race and feature to 00:15:23.226 --> 00:15:33.531 - be recognized. Thank you with that Soon as you're signed in What's your name Lawrence Ruich, thank you 00:15:33.531 --> 00:15:40.734 - Good evening and thank you for holding this hearing your willingness to 00:15:40.898 --> 00:15:47.880 - who listen and engage reflects a deep commitment to the residents of Bloomington, and that matters. 00:15:47.880 --> 00:15:55.001 - It signals that our community is not just managed but cared for. As noted, my name is Lawrence Ruich. 00:15:55.001 --> 00:16:02.471 - I'm an educator of more than 20 years, and I come before you on behalf of the Park Ridge East Neighborhood 00:16:02.471 --> 00:16:10.430 - Association and the families, children, and residents who move through the intersection of East Morningside Drive 00:16:10.658 --> 00:16:18.632 - and Smith Road every day. As an educator, I've long believed that the spaces we inhabit, our classrooms 00:16:18.632 --> 00:16:26.529 - and our neighborhoods, should function as learning environments, and in any true learning environment, 00:16:26.529 --> 00:16:34.810 - people must feel safe, seen, and supported in order to grow. Right now, this intersection is not reflecting 00:16:34.810 --> 00:16:36.190 - those conditions. 00:16:37.090 --> 00:16:44.134 - This is a space where children walk and bike with family and friends, where families cross to access 00:16:44.134 --> 00:16:51.387 - parks, and where residents navigate by foot, bicycle, personal vehicle, school bus, and public transit. 00:16:51.387 --> 00:16:58.361 - It is a shared space, but it is not yet a safe one. What we are seeing is not an isolated issue. It 00:16:58.361 --> 00:17:04.638 - is a pattern, drivers rolling through stop signs, speeding through a designated greenway, 00:17:05.186 --> 00:17:13.123 - near misses that have become normalized. And then, on October 6th of last year, that pattern became 00:17:13.123 --> 00:17:21.061 - a reality. A child was struck. In education, we talk about knowing those in our care, understanding 00:17:21.061 --> 00:17:29.712 - needs, responding thoughtfully, and adjusting our actions accordingly. Our community is telling us something 00:17:29.712 --> 00:17:34.078 - clearly. This intersection is not meeting those needs. 00:17:35.138 --> 00:17:42.467 - The care for a community is to respond, not after tragedy, but in anticipation of it. We are asking 00:17:42.467 --> 00:17:49.868 - for visible, immediate signals that help drivers recognize the seriousness of this space, especially 00:17:49.868 --> 00:17:57.270 - in an age of increased distraction. High visibility stop signs with flashing borders, rumble strips, 00:17:57.270 --> 00:18:03.646 - or speed tables along Smith Road. These examples are not simply traffic interventions, 00:18:03.842 --> 00:18:11.968 - They are messages. They communicate. Slow down. People matter here. A caring community does not wait 00:18:11.968 --> 00:18:20.577 - for more data when the lived experiences is clear. It listens. It responds. And it acts with both humility 00:18:20.577 --> 00:18:28.944 - and urgency. This intersection has already been identified as high priority. Now is the moment to align 00:18:28.944 --> 00:18:31.358 - that designation with action. 00:18:32.226 --> 00:18:40.468 - Because ultimately, the measure of a community, like a classroom, is whether its members feel safe enough 00:18:40.468 --> 00:18:48.476 - to live, to move, and to grow within it. We are not asking for consideration. We are asking for action 00:18:48.476 --> 00:18:56.485 - so that no family in our community has to learn about safety through harm. Thank you for your time and 00:18:56.485 --> 00:19:01.694 - care. Thank you. Will the next speaker please step up and sign in? 00:19:20.930 --> 00:19:28.190 - My name is Leah sin Iverson and I'm here with representatives from Girl Scout troop 1900 all friends 00:19:28.190 --> 00:19:35.593 - of Lena Alexander the 10 year old who was struck at the intersection we're talking about Living in the 00:19:35.593 --> 00:19:42.781 - land of what-ifs is not a unique experience as a parent our daughter's second grade teacher in fact 00:19:42.781 --> 00:19:47.166 - has a name for this and it's called the what-ifs monster and 00:19:48.354 --> 00:19:54.704 - What if she falls? What if she's made fun of? What if she doesn't make it home this afternoon? Or all 00:19:54.704 --> 00:20:01.241 - of what ifs I've heard in my own mind. Now that one of my worst fears became a reality with the accident 00:20:01.241 --> 00:20:07.530 - involving our oldest daughter's friend, Lena, I find my fear being driven to action. So here we are, 00:20:07.530 --> 00:20:14.191 - Girl Scout Troop 1900 and others we know to share our concerns with the lack of safety in the intersection 00:20:14.191 --> 00:20:18.238 - adjoining sibling neighborhoods, Park Ridge and Park Ridge East. 00:20:19.266 --> 00:20:26.108 - I employ you to actively listen to the girls thoughtful statements and consider their courage as 10 00:20:26.108 --> 00:20:33.019 - and 11 year olds coming to this meeting speaking their hearts and minds. And I ask that you consider 00:20:33.019 --> 00:20:39.930 - and strongly urge you to improve the safety of the intersection. And learning more about its history 00:20:39.930 --> 00:20:44.446 - from other neighbors who have been there for decades, I found out 00:20:44.610 --> 00:20:51.515 - about not one but two or three other accidents that occurred that led to death, including a 20-year-old 00:20:51.515 --> 00:20:58.287 - bright altruistic girl named Susie, who lived in Park Ridge East for the summer with her parents. Any 00:20:58.287 --> 00:21:05.390 - chance at saving one more kid from being hurt or adult, one more parent from pain, will make our community 00:21:05.390 --> 00:21:12.162 - that much safer and maybe even squelch another what-if monster in this mom's mind. Thank you for your 00:21:12.162 --> 00:21:13.822 - time. Thank you so much. 00:21:23.490 --> 00:21:29.540 - Hi, my name is Violet, and thank you for inviting our Girl Scout trip here today. I hang out in the 00:21:29.540 --> 00:21:35.650 - neighborhood where Lena got hit. Most of my friends live there, and we have our meetings down at the 00:21:35.650 --> 00:21:41.881 - street at the St. Thomas Lutheran Church. There are a lot of intersections in Bloomington that I'm not 00:21:41.881 --> 00:21:48.172 - allowed to go on. This is because my parents worry about this happening to me. When my mom told me that 00:21:48.172 --> 00:21:52.286 - this happened to Lena, my heart was shattered. How did this happen? 00:21:52.578 --> 00:21:59.207 - My question was answered. She got hit because the driver was on his phone. This is illegal, right? But 00:21:59.207 --> 00:22:05.708 - there are people who do it anyway. There are a lot of people who get hit by drivers who are on their 00:22:05.708 --> 00:22:12.144 - phone. 8% to 10% of cyclists who are hit by cars were hit by drivers who were on their phone. Yeah, 00:22:12.144 --> 00:22:18.709 - that's a lot. And think, this could happen to anyone. Lena's outcome could have been different if she 00:22:18.709 --> 00:22:20.318 - wasn't wearing a helmet. 00:22:20.418 --> 00:22:26.546 - wants to make things like this never happen again. Some of the most effective ways I think would help 00:22:26.546 --> 00:22:32.554 - is rumble strips, bright pink paint on crosswalks or flashing lights. These aren't big changes, but 00:22:32.554 --> 00:22:35.678 - we could save a life. Thank you. Thank you so much. 00:22:49.666 --> 00:22:56.898 - Ready for our next speaker to sign in state your name and you have three minutes. Hi, my name is Nicole. 00:22:56.898 --> 00:23:03.992 - I'm a girl from the Girl Scout troop 1900. We're here today because our friend Lena was tragically hit 00:23:03.992 --> 00:23:09.502 - by a car while biking through the intersection with Morningside and Smith Road. 00:23:09.826 --> 00:23:16.000 - This happened because the person that hit her was on their phone Lena's accident was not the only Accident 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:21.943 - and will not be the last if you don't make a change if we don't do anything The people being hit there 00:23:21.943 --> 00:23:28.117 - might not be as lucky as Lena People walk a bike and jog across that intersection all the time an accident 00:23:28.117 --> 00:23:33.310 - is bound to happen if you don't do anything We have I've already prepared some ideas that 00:23:33.474 --> 00:23:39.971 - can help. We can add lights to our stop signs. We can add a protected bike lane and we can also add 00:23:39.971 --> 00:23:46.598 - rumble strips. Thank you so much for clearing your schedules to make time for us and we hope you make 00:23:46.598 --> 00:23:48.222 - a difference. Thank you. 00:24:05.474 --> 00:24:12.580 - ready for our next speaker to sign in. State your name. You have three minutes. Thank you. Hello. Sorry. 00:24:12.580 --> 00:24:19.821 - Thank you for inviting me in my trip tonight. My name is Elena Iverson, and I'm one of Lena's good friends 00:24:19.821 --> 00:24:26.588 - from school and Girl Scouts. I live in Parker G's, the same neighborhood that Lena lives in, across 00:24:26.588 --> 00:24:33.694 - from the intersection. I was at music lessons during the accident, and my parents told me in the morning 00:24:33.922 --> 00:24:40.361 - I was devastated, and all my friends were at school, too. Barely anyone talked at recess, and all we 00:24:40.361 --> 00:24:46.737 - did was walk around. At lunch, Girl Scouts, recess, and most of school, we kept waiting and waiting 00:24:46.737 --> 00:24:53.113 - for her to come back. The day she came back, everyone was so happy. As well as not being able to go 00:24:53.113 --> 00:25:00.062 - to school, she could also not eat solid foods, which meant mashed potatoes for months. None of us would have 00:25:00.226 --> 00:25:06.145 - None of this would have happened if it weren't for a college student being on his phone and didn't realize 00:25:06.145 --> 00:25:11.842 - the kid riding in front of him and didn't stop at the stop sign. And that stop sign was the only thing 00:25:11.842 --> 00:25:17.429 - that could have stopped him, but it didn't. So I think that you should add raised berms, intelligent 00:25:17.429 --> 00:25:22.961 - speed bumps, and or bright colored crosswalks. These things would help because they would make sure 00:25:22.961 --> 00:25:28.382 - that no one could hit anyone and help people stay off their phones. Thank you. Thank you so much. 00:25:29.922 --> 00:25:52.329 - Thank you. We're ready for our next speaker. If you can sign in, state your name, you have three minutes. 00:25:52.329 --> 00:25:54.654 - Thank you. 00:26:08.386 --> 00:26:15.179 - AJ I am 10 years old and I am part of the troop One nine zero zero. I heard about Lena's accident and 00:26:15.179 --> 00:26:22.105 - I was very sad when Lena came back When Lena came back, they said that she could only have liquid foods 00:26:22.105 --> 00:26:28.898 - when I heard the person who hit or was on their phone Hit her was on her phone. I was livid I thought 00:26:28.898 --> 00:26:35.624 - of multiple ways to make sure it didn't happen to my friend to me and my friends are my family again 00:26:35.624 --> 00:26:37.822 - I thought I Thought it was speed 00:26:37.954 --> 00:26:47.400 - Bums next to stop signs, since the person ran the stop sign while looking on their phone. Lena looked 00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:56.661 - both ways before crossing the road. They did the right thing while the other person didn't. I think 00:26:56.661 --> 00:27:06.014 - people of all neighborhoods should ask for walkways because I have had various accidents where a car 00:27:06.178 --> 00:27:13.144 - where a car almost hit me because walkways were not available. I hope you're bringing my warnings to 00:27:13.144 --> 00:27:20.249 - reality. Thank you for your time. Thank you so much. Ready for our next speaker? Please sign in, state 00:27:20.249 --> 00:27:24.318 - your name. You have three minutes. Should I write my name? 00:27:36.034 --> 00:27:42.547 - Hi, my name is Lena Alexander. I am the person that got hit by a car while riding my bike through the 00:27:42.547 --> 00:27:48.996 - intersection at Smith and Morningside. I'm here to talk about the safety of the intersection and why 00:27:48.996 --> 00:27:55.765 - you should do something about it. Even though I followed all the safety rules, like stopping and checking 00:27:55.765 --> 00:28:02.405 - both sides of the road to make sure it was clear, traveling in the crosswalk and wearing bright colors, 00:28:02.405 --> 00:28:05.598 - the driver ran the stop sign and crashed into me. 00:28:05.698 --> 00:28:12.303 - breaking my jaw in three places and knocking out my three front teeth. I think to make the road safer 00:28:12.303 --> 00:28:19.168 - to the people crossing it, you should add rumble strips or a colorful crosswalk to get people's attention 00:28:19.168 --> 00:28:25.773 - better. You should make the road safer because the intersection goes between two neighborhoods, which 00:28:25.773 --> 00:28:32.638 - both have city parks. Therefore, lots of people go through there, so they should be able to cross safely. 00:28:32.962 --> 00:28:40.796 - If you don't add improvements to make the road safer, then it might not be long until another kid gets 00:28:40.796 --> 00:28:48.782 - hit. And if they're not as lucky as I was, then their hit might be worse or even fatal. Thank you. Thank 00:28:48.782 --> 00:28:54.942 - you so much. Thank you. Please sign in. State your name. You have three minutes. 00:29:15.874 --> 00:29:23.442 - My name is Kathleen Bagas, and I have lived in Parker G's for 49 years. I've served on the traffic committee 00:29:23.442 --> 00:29:30.455 - for Parker G's for more years than I wanted, but at one time when we were trying to get sidewalks on 00:29:30.455 --> 00:29:35.454 - the north side of Morningside, it took us 10 years to make that happen. 00:29:35.586 --> 00:29:42.348 - We met with the engineers. We just happened to mention that, oh, by the way, there's no slowdown for 00:29:42.348 --> 00:29:49.311 - children at the park. That was put up the very next day because I think we were violating national law. 00:29:49.311 --> 00:29:56.340 - But it shouldn't take forever to make these things happen. It took us another several years to get speed 00:29:56.340 --> 00:30:03.102 - bumps on Morningside. I think Brianna was on the traffic committee at that point to see that happen. 00:30:03.426 --> 00:30:11.417 - Some of the reasons given for us not getting speed bumps were there haven't been enough accidents yet 00:30:11.417 --> 00:30:19.644 - on that road to put speed bumps in. Well folks, that is utterly ridiculous. We've had accidents on Smith 00:30:19.644 --> 00:30:27.870 - and Morningside before. I don't know how many times in 49 years I have sat there trying to get out going 00:30:27.870 --> 00:30:32.414 - west and people just blare through coming from the north. 00:30:32.834 --> 00:30:41.021 - Never coming from the south have I seen it, but coming from the north, no acknowledgement that there's 00:30:41.021 --> 00:30:48.494 - even a four-way stop there. It shouldn't take forever. It's pretty obvious we have a problem. 00:30:48.494 --> 00:30:56.602 - And it's taken, sadly it's taken, Lena having an accident. And she has long-term effects of that. She 00:30:56.602 --> 00:31:00.894 - mentioned she broke out three of her permanent teeth. 00:31:01.122 --> 00:31:08.497 - They can't replace those until her jaw grows to the adult size. So she's going to go on through her 00:31:08.497 --> 00:31:16.020 - school life without those teeth. Fortunately, she has very good friends that are supportive. But this 00:31:16.020 --> 00:31:23.617 - shouldn't be happening. We don't need to have more accidents at that intersection to let you know that 00:31:23.617 --> 00:31:28.190 - it's dangerous. You can't see the stop sign for the branches. 00:31:28.290 --> 00:31:36.805 - But even then, if you do see it, people don't stop. So something more than lighted stop signs has to 00:31:36.805 --> 00:31:45.489 - happen there. Obviously I'm emotional about this. They did a wonderful job. We just shouldn't see kids 00:31:45.489 --> 00:31:54.088 - getting hurt again. Thank you so much. Next speaker, please. Sign in, state your name. You have three 00:31:54.088 --> 00:31:55.774 - minutes. Thank you. 00:32:05.186 --> 00:32:13.711 - My name is Steve Eggers and I'm representing the Park Ridge Neighborhood Association Executive Committee. 00:32:13.711 --> 00:32:21.753 - Not to repeat what's already been said, but I think you understand and have been impressed with the 00:32:21.753 --> 00:32:30.197 - testimony, especially from the Girl Scout troop supporting Lena. To think about, I've been in Park Ridge 00:32:30.197 --> 00:32:34.942 - as a neighbor in Park Ridge, a resident for over 35 years. 00:32:35.298 --> 00:32:43.568 - When I first heard about this accident, naturally I think Lena is a terrible accident. Luckily she had 00:32:43.568 --> 00:32:52.079 - a helmet on, but it impacted her Girl Scout troop. She missed her Bradford Woods fifth grade camp. That's 00:32:52.079 --> 00:33:00.510 - a big deal. I know it was big for my kids. I would defer to you folks, you're the experts, you know what 00:33:00.930 --> 00:33:07.230 - Possibly could be done at this intersection to highlight those stop signs whether it's rumble strips 00:33:07.230 --> 00:33:13.780 - whether it's a solar powered lighted stop sign whatever it takes but we really as a thoroughfare between 00:33:13.780 --> 00:33:20.142 - Park Ridge and Park Ridge East because we both have Wonderful parks. Thank you city of Bloomington we 00:33:20.142 --> 00:33:25.694 - have lots of crossover and lots of kids who know each other in the two neighborhoods and 00:33:25.922 --> 00:33:32.751 - not only the kids, but also adults that walk and go to play tennis, because the tennis court's over 00:33:32.751 --> 00:33:39.785 - in Park Ridge East. So we defer to you. This happened last October, and I understand the first meeting 00:33:39.785 --> 00:33:46.751 - was because the weather had to be rescheduled, but I defer to you folks. You can make a good decision 00:33:46.751 --> 00:33:53.239 - here and rely on the engineering experts to make this intersection safer. Thank you very much. 00:33:53.239 --> 00:33:55.902 - Thank you. Ready for our next speaker? 00:33:57.570 --> 00:34:00.094 - Please sign in, state your name, you have three minutes, thank you. 00:34:22.946 --> 00:34:34.373 - Hi, I'm Jim Schrader. I am representing the Bloomington Bicycle Club. We're a club of about 200 cyclists. 00:34:34.373 --> 00:34:45.476 - We're not all adults. A lot of them are children of parents that belong. I'm just here to comment that 00:34:45.476 --> 00:34:48.926 - pedestrians and cyclists are so 00:34:53.090 --> 00:35:04.367 - I forget, are so vulnerable users of any transportation system in this country and we're the ones that 00:35:04.367 --> 00:35:15.315 - usually are hurt or die. It's terrible. That street, from a bicyclist standpoint, that intersection 00:35:15.315 --> 00:35:21.118 - is well used by a lot of bicyclists also. Currently, 00:35:21.442 --> 00:35:30.753 - The bicycle lanes are insufficient. I don't know if there's enough traffic to consider a bike path on 00:35:30.753 --> 00:35:40.156 - one side, but it definitely, everyone thinks it got improved because of 3rd Street and Smith Road, all 00:35:40.156 --> 00:35:49.559 - of that construction, but no, it was great right at that intersection, but then everything disappears. 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:50.654 - All of you, 00:35:51.362 --> 00:36:02.351 - On this committee know all about the ease the three ease of traffic engineering Education well mom and 00:36:02.351 --> 00:36:13.447 - dad told Lena everything and I'm sure she got grilled on that about being safe and all that Engineering 00:36:13.447 --> 00:36:20.702 - while we're talking about engineering now The last e is enforcement 00:36:21.826 --> 00:36:34.444 - There are laws that were violated during this tragic, whatever one says, accident. It was a collision. 00:36:34.444 --> 00:36:45.959 - We need to stop doing the hugs and prayers and all that stuff. Things can be done. Thank you. 00:36:45.959 --> 00:36:49.022 - Thank you. Next speaker. 00:36:50.338 --> 00:37:11.419 - Please sign in, state your name. You have three minutes. Thank you. My name's Darrell Boggess. I lived 00:37:11.419 --> 00:37:17.150 - three houses away from that 00:37:17.250 --> 00:37:30.651 - intersection since 1977, I have learned to distinguish between the sounds of thunder, car wrecks, and 00:37:30.651 --> 00:37:44.446 - squirrels tripping the transformer for the power line behind my house. Duke has replaced the transformer 00:37:45.506 --> 00:37:55.743 - Storms are getting worse. We have more thunder than we used to. More rain, more snow, more ice. We don't 00:37:55.743 --> 00:38:06.175 - have much problem with the transformer now that it was upgraded. But we have a continuing real and present 00:38:06.175 --> 00:38:14.462 - emergency at the intersection of Smith and Morningside. I've seen city police parked 00:38:14.786 --> 00:38:24.221 - One block towards town on the west side, on Morningside, waiting to see the next car that comes running 00:38:24.221 --> 00:38:33.566 - through the stop sign. And then they turn the lights on and they go issue a ticket. Well, that's nice. 00:38:33.566 --> 00:38:42.366 - But that's not effective. What we need is multiple modes of communicating to distracted drivers. 00:38:43.298 --> 00:38:52.597 - If you're not familiar with the street, go and drive it. Go down to 10th Street and see what's been 00:38:52.597 --> 00:39:02.175 - put up there recently. The flashing lights, the strobe lights get people's attention visually. We need 00:39:02.175 --> 00:39:11.102 - rumble strips. We need auditory notification that people can hear. People learn different ways. 00:39:11.938 --> 00:39:22.958 - Some people remember what they see. Other people remember what they hear. We don't just need a sign. 00:39:22.958 --> 00:39:33.105 - We need stripes across where the walkways are. Visual, multimodal, immediate, not next year, 00:39:33.105 --> 00:39:39.870 - not next month. Next month starts this week. It's springtime. 00:39:40.610 --> 00:39:50.933 - The kids are out. The dandelions are blooming. The drivers are driving. The bikers are biking. The time 00:39:50.933 --> 00:40:01.058 - to act is now. You heard from the experts. I'm really impressed with the expert comments and opinions 00:40:01.058 --> 00:40:09.694 - that you heard today. You got the picture. Now let's do something. It's your turn now. 00:40:11.394 --> 00:40:19.048 - Thank you so much another speaker in council chambers. Thank you Thank you President Stossberg councilmember 00:40:19.048 --> 00:40:26.211 - Flaherty and members of the Commission for Having the Girl Scouts here this evening and for listening 00:40:26.211 --> 00:40:33.233 - so attentively I know that means the world to them to have your your attention You know, I know you 00:40:33.233 --> 00:40:38.078 - don't want to hear from an old man after these Girl Scouts spoke but 00:40:38.242 --> 00:40:45.486 - Did want to point out a couple things that I think are important for you to consider As you're moving 00:40:45.486 --> 00:40:52.587 - forward with action that the safe streets for all action plan, which is a fantastic document with a 00:40:52.587 --> 00:40:59.689 - fantastic mission it identifies this intersection as a high-risk network or with a score of 37 this 00:40:59.689 --> 00:41:06.791 - is the only intersection in the east side of town At least on the north side of 3rd Street that has 00:41:06.791 --> 00:41:07.998 - this designation 00:41:08.098 --> 00:41:15.014 - And I'll note that the the dashboard which is a fantastic tool to find out where it's safe to cycle 00:41:15.014 --> 00:41:22.137 - where it's safe to be It doesn't yet have this incident on the dashboard And so I just wanted to point 00:41:22.137 --> 00:41:29.399 - out that there there are some really great resources that we already have within the city of Bloomington 00:41:29.399 --> 00:41:32.926 - that we that we can diagnose this now, you know, I 00:41:33.410 --> 00:41:39.412 - When my wife and I were looking for a home here, we chose Park Ridge East because it was in between 00:41:39.412 --> 00:41:45.595 - two ice cream shops. Everyone talks about the parks, but no one talks about the ice cream stores. It's 00:41:45.595 --> 00:41:51.657 - pretty magical, and that's one of the really benefits that people live in this neighborhood. And the 00:41:51.657 --> 00:41:57.720 - other thing is that we have the best school in the entire state, University Elementary. All of these 00:41:57.720 --> 00:42:02.942 - kids ride the school bus together. As I think one of the Girl Scouts is talking about, 00:42:03.202 --> 00:42:09.242 - They knew the next day at school that their friend wasn't coming back because they got hit by this bus. 00:42:09.242 --> 00:42:15.283 - This is a tight community. We've got representatives from both neighborhood associations coming up here 00:42:15.283 --> 00:42:21.091 - today. We've been talking about this ever since it happened. So, you know, again, I've been talking 00:42:21.091 --> 00:42:27.015 - for too long. You want to hear from the girls. Action, action, action. Don't kick this down the road. 00:42:27.015 --> 00:42:32.126 - Let's take action and anything we can do to help you. We'd love to help out. Thank you. 00:42:32.642 --> 00:42:47.139 - Thank you and could you state your name Peter Iverson a concerned father. Thank you If there's another 00:42:47.139 --> 00:42:59.102 - speaker in council chambers, you can go ahead and make your way towards the podium I 00:43:01.794 --> 00:43:24.670 - Thank you. Please sign in state your name. You'll have three minutes Hello, my name is Zach Mueller 00:43:24.802 --> 00:43:31.273 - My wife and I recently purchased the house that's on the northeast corner of this intersection. It's 00:43:31.273 --> 00:43:37.744 - a 3901 East Morningside You know, I just want to say for a second that I'm really I admire All these 00:43:37.744 --> 00:43:44.342 - young folks who took the time to come here and it's really important to hear their voices The previous 00:43:44.342 --> 00:43:50.877 - person just said I don't know what more I can say but I think that if they can spend their time after 00:43:50.877 --> 00:43:51.582 - school and 00:43:51.682 --> 00:43:58.564 - getting up and working through this being kind of a difficult thing to do. I don't think there's any 00:43:58.564 --> 00:44:05.446 - reason why I can't do the same. I'm not, my wife and I aren't parents, but I don't think that really 00:44:05.446 --> 00:44:12.669 - matters in the grand scheme of these things. The last thing that I want to do is see our local government 00:44:12.669 --> 00:44:19.006 - fail the people who live in it. And frankly, I've got two minutes left in my public comment. 00:44:19.970 --> 00:44:26.039 - I can see, we have a ring camera over our driveway. And I can see that intersection right now. And so 00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:31.988 - I think that I'm gonna spend, let's say one minute, I'm gonna spend one minute and all I'm gonna do 00:44:31.988 --> 00:44:38.117 - is every time that a vehicle rolls through this stop sign, I'm just gonna call it out. And I hope that 00:44:38.117 --> 00:44:44.066 - we have some mathematically inclined young folks who might be able to keep track of it for me. Just 00:44:44.066 --> 00:44:48.350 - keep a little tally or something. So let's start. Oh look, there's one. 00:44:50.114 --> 00:45:12.286 - Going southbound. There's a car that didn't stop for pedestrian. Going northbound. Oh, there's another one. 00:45:22.210 --> 00:45:31.031 - Okay, there's a car turning out of our neighborhood, Park Ridge East, it didn't stop all the way, bad 00:45:31.031 --> 00:45:39.938 - form neighbors. Up northbound missed one, there we go, one going northbound. Oh, and just to round out 00:45:39.938 --> 00:45:48.585 - the minute, there's one more. Do we have a, okay, so that's six. Every 10 seconds, this is not high 00:45:48.585 --> 00:45:50.142 - tide for traffic. 00:45:50.498 --> 00:45:59.208 - I checked at 5.30, I kept a tally on my camera from 5.30 to 5.45 and I counted 31 automobiles that chose 00:45:59.208 --> 00:46:07.669 - not to even come close to a California pause rolling stop. Not even fully stopped. I'm gonna stop and 00:46:07.669 --> 00:46:15.550 - keep going. 31. The least we can do is put rumble strips in. My wife and I, arguably since our 00:46:15.906 --> 00:46:22.929 - Driveway backs out directly into the intersection. We'll be the ones that everybody they're gonna have 00:46:22.929 --> 00:46:29.748 - the most inconvenience Let's do it. Whatever it takes. I don't care. This is silly. Thank you Thank 00:46:29.748 --> 00:46:37.726 - you Any more speakers in council chambers, thank you to sign in state your name you'll have three minutes. Thank you 00:46:48.642 --> 00:46:56.084 - My name is Marissa Koblenz. My daughter was with Lena at the time of the event, and so I'm here just 00:46:56.084 --> 00:47:03.453 - to echo everybody else's plea that something be done to help. That was October 6th, and my daughter 00:47:03.453 --> 00:47:10.895 - has not ridden her bike across that intersection since. I don't know if or when she will. And so she 00:47:10.895 --> 00:47:12.958 - was best friends with Lena. 00:47:13.058 --> 00:47:19.776 - At that time and like that has been really hard in their friendship because there was frequent back-and-forth 00:47:19.776 --> 00:47:25.945 - and neither of them have crossed that intersection since So very long-term effects on our family and 00:47:25.945 --> 00:47:32.053 - that friendship And so I echo everyone else's plea to do something to make the intersection safer I 00:47:32.053 --> 00:47:38.282 - definitely want to see the city of Bloomington really back up their support for kids and Cyclists and 00:47:38.282 --> 00:47:41.886 - pedestrians with action at this intersection. Thank you. I 00:47:44.322 --> 00:47:55.618 - Thank you. Are there other speakers in council chambers? We'll move to online and then we'll have another 00:47:55.618 --> 00:48:06.382 - opportunity for people here. Is there anyone online who has raised their hand to talk? Hopi s Hopi s 00:48:06.382 --> 00:48:11.710 - Please state your name and you have three minutes 00:48:12.642 --> 00:48:19.879 - Hi, thank you so much. My name is Hopi Stossberg and I'm the city council representative for district 00:48:19.879 --> 00:48:26.974 - three and both Park Ridge and Park Ridge East are in district three and I'm also a resident of Park 00:48:26.974 --> 00:48:34.069 - Ridge. So I thought that it was appropriate tonight to comment on a couple of things. First of all, 00:48:34.069 --> 00:48:37.758 - I wanna highlight an understanding I think that the 00:48:37.954 --> 00:48:43.252 - the representative from the Bloomington Bicycle Club like mentioned, but maybe didn't say it clearly, 00:48:43.252 --> 00:48:48.550 - but the entire, and I think one of the Girl Scouts did too, the entire stretch between 3rd Street and 00:48:48.550 --> 00:48:53.848 - 10th Street on Smith is problematic. And it is highlighted in the transportation plan as problematic. 00:48:53.848 --> 00:48:59.042 - And, you know, I've lived here for 12 years and there've been various, like various times it's kind 00:48:59.042 --> 00:49:04.443 - of been brought up, like what can we do about that? And one of the problems is it takes a lot of money, 00:49:04.443 --> 00:49:05.534 - a lot of investment. 00:49:05.634 --> 00:49:11.710 - to figure out remediating that entire stretch to make it better for pedestrians and cyclists. And so 00:49:11.710 --> 00:49:17.726 - I wanted to highlight that as kind of like recognize that that is part of the conversation and part 00:49:17.726 --> 00:49:24.043 - of the problem. But going to this intersection specifically, as somebody mentioned, it is a neighborhood 00:49:24.043 --> 00:49:30.119 - greenway crossing. And it would be really excellent if we could have some consistent policies around 00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:34.270 - greenway crossings. And I think that those policies would start with 00:49:34.466 --> 00:49:40.754 - on the Transportation Commission in terms of what what y'all with staff are kind of delegated to do 00:49:40.754 --> 00:49:47.357 - and that would be that would be really great just to be have some consistency around town what we expect 00:49:47.357 --> 00:49:53.833 - as a community in terms of the safety of our greenways especially when they cross busier roads whether 00:49:53.833 --> 00:50:00.561 - or not obviously there is a traffic signal at that road because in theory this vehicle should have stopped 00:50:00.561 --> 00:50:03.454 - and in actuality it didn't because stop signs 00:50:04.002 --> 00:50:10.951 - don't actually force cars to stop or even potentially slow down. And then lastly, I just want to say 00:50:10.951 --> 00:50:17.899 - thank you to all of the residents and all of my neighbors in Park Ridge and Park Ridge East who have 00:50:17.899 --> 00:50:24.779 - contributed to the discussion tonight, especially the Girl Scouts for braving the public microphone 00:50:24.779 --> 00:50:31.728 - because that can be an intimidating thing to do. And I'm just really impressed with them. And I also 00:50:31.728 --> 00:50:33.310 - really appreciate that 00:50:33.474 --> 00:50:41.294 - the speakers generally, you know, people spoke up with positive suggestions and not just complaints 00:50:41.294 --> 00:50:49.349 - and I just wanted to really appreciate my neighbors and my constituents for their comments around this 00:50:49.349 --> 00:50:57.482 - intersection. So thank you so much. Thank you. Are there other folks online who'd like to comment? Next 00:50:57.482 --> 00:51:01.470 - I have Katie Yoder. Katie, you have three minutes. 00:51:03.362 --> 00:51:09.488 - My name is Katie Yoder and I have been a resident of Parkridge East for nearly 10 years and I have two 00:51:09.488 --> 00:51:15.554 - children who are eight and nine. I use the intersection at Morningside and Smith. Every single day my 00:51:15.554 --> 00:51:21.918 - husband bikes through it for his commute and my children and I regularly walk to school to the playgrounds 00:51:21.918 --> 00:51:28.163 - and bike and run through this area as a family. I'm also a teacher at University and I have participated 00:51:28.163 --> 00:51:33.278 - in the Safe Routes to School efforts as a parent, educator and community stakeholder. 00:51:33.698 --> 00:51:40.631 - So I really, really care deeply about how students and families move through this area. And the intersection 00:51:40.631 --> 00:51:47.182 - sits directly on the Morningside Greenway, and it is actively used by people walking, biking, families 00:51:47.182 --> 00:51:53.542 - with children, and community members accessing the nearby bus stop, not just drivers. It's designed 00:51:53.542 --> 00:52:00.030 - to be a shared, multimodal space, and it needs to function safely that way. We've been advocating as, 00:52:00.130 --> 00:52:05.535 - Kathy Baja said earlier for safer streets in this neighborhood for years, and we were so grateful to 00:52:05.535 --> 00:52:10.994 - see traffic calming added to Morningside. But this particular intersection remains a serious problem. 00:52:10.994 --> 00:52:16.346 - Even though it's a four way stop, as many people have said tonight, drivers frequently roll through 00:52:16.346 --> 00:52:21.859 - and ignore pedestrians altogether. I've had moments where I physically had to put my hand out to a car 00:52:21.859 --> 00:52:23.518 - just to make sure they saw me. 00:52:24.002 --> 00:52:30.364 - We teach our kids, as Brianna said, to be extremely cautious, to make eye contact with drivers before 00:52:30.364 --> 00:52:36.663 - crossing, but that isn't always enough. We've had multiple close calls and we know this risk is real 00:52:36.663 --> 00:52:43.150 - because a child has been hit here. Excuse me, I live across the street from Lena. It was every parent's 00:52:43.150 --> 00:52:49.698 - worst nightmare. I was driving into the neighborhood when I reached Morningside and I saw her bike lying 00:52:49.698 --> 00:52:52.318 - on the road, emergency vehicles, and then 00:52:52.482 --> 00:52:59.092 - Brianna, her mom running full speed down the street. It's an image that seared into my mind, like a 00:52:59.092 --> 00:53:06.231 - bad dream come to life. Safety in our neighborhoods should not depend on whether you are in a car. Everyone 00:53:06.231 --> 00:53:12.974 - using this greenway intersection deserves to move through it safely. And we've done everything we can 00:53:12.974 --> 00:53:19.518 - on our end to be safe. And now we need the street design to do its part too. Thank you. Thank you. 00:53:24.834 --> 00:53:32.822 - Hannah, you have three minutes. Hello, my name is Hannah Vaughn. I live in Park Bridge East. I've lived 00:53:32.822 --> 00:53:40.887 - here for 12 years now, and I live on Morningside. I have two daughters who have shared different seasons 00:53:40.887 --> 00:53:48.567 - of life being best friends with Lena. And first, I want to really make it extremely clear that Lena 00:53:48.567 --> 00:53:53.790 - has known how to cross the street appropriately since she was five. 00:53:54.050 --> 00:53:59.822 - I think that's how old she was when she came into my world. Brianna really raises very independent and 00:53:59.822 --> 00:54:05.650 - smart and capable children. And I was blown away by Lena's ability to be intentional at crosswalks when 00:54:05.650 --> 00:54:11.422 - she would come to my house to play. So it's just important. I know a lot of people want to default to, 00:54:11.422 --> 00:54:16.801 - well, the child probably didn't do quite right. And she said she looked both ways, but did she? 00:54:16.801 --> 00:54:22.573 - She did. Lena Alexander looked both ways, I promise. The other thing that I want to say is that I walk 00:54:22.573 --> 00:54:24.030 - my dog down the same path 00:54:24.738 --> 00:54:32.032 - At more obscure times, 6 AM, maybe 8 PM, those types of things. And at those times of day when there 00:54:32.032 --> 00:54:39.615 - is only one or two car on the road, I will not cross that intersection until the car comes to a complete 00:54:39.615 --> 00:54:46.982 - stop, even if they are just now turning onto Smith. Because of the number of times I have nearly been 00:54:46.982 --> 00:54:52.254 - hit while walking my dog, wearing a headlamp, wearing a reflective vest, 00:54:52.418 --> 00:54:58.004 - Um, I wait until the car comes to a complete stop, regardless of if I could have gotten, I probably 00:54:58.004 --> 00:55:03.813 - could have gotten across the street entirely if I had just gone. Um, but it's just an intersection that 00:55:03.813 --> 00:55:09.679 - is blatantly ignored over and over and over again. So at this point, I feel like white noise. Um, you've 00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:15.376 - heard from the girls who broke their hearts, finding out what happened to their dear friends. Um, and 00:55:15.376 --> 00:55:19.454 - it just kind of can't be ignored. It has to be fixed. Thank you so much. 00:55:22.178 --> 00:55:32.316 - Thank you. I also have Maria. The name again. Mary Ann Dorsey. Mary Ann. Mary Ann, you have three minutes. 00:55:32.316 --> 00:55:41.886 - Thank you. Thank you. My name is Mary Ann Dorsey. I'm currently honored to serve as the president of 00:55:41.886 --> 00:55:51.550 - the Park Ridge East Neighborhood Association. I've been impressed with everyone who's spoken tonight, 00:55:51.810 --> 00:55:59.796 - all the comments and data that they've shared, especially the Girl Scouts. I trust that many people 00:55:59.796 --> 00:56:07.862 - there are concerned about this situation and want to do something, but I think as Darryl Boggess put 00:56:07.862 --> 00:56:16.168 - very well, it's time to do it or over time to do it. I know we share our stories, but sometimes stories 00:56:16.168 --> 00:56:21.758 - actually have effect. As a young girl, I lived in Indiana on a street 00:56:21.890 --> 00:56:30.026 - that had similar issues. My close girlfriend, best friend got hit by a car and broke her arm. It flipped 00:56:30.026 --> 00:56:37.775 - her over the car. So similar to this, the Girl Scouts, and I was one of them, and neighbors went to 00:56:37.775 --> 00:56:45.602 - the county at that time and said, please, please, please do something with this street. Everyone was 00:56:45.602 --> 00:56:51.646 - concerned. Everyone wanted to do the right thing. But whether it was funding, 00:56:51.778 --> 00:56:59.921 - Again, I was nine years old, whatever the issue, nothing happened. When I was 18 years old, my best 00:56:59.921 --> 00:57:07.738 - friend at the time, her sister was in a car, same intersection, same thing, and she was killed. 00:57:07.738 --> 00:57:15.799 - To this day, people that were in that meeting often regret and wonder, what if we'd done something 00:57:15.799 --> 00:57:21.662 - differently? After that, it still took another 15 years to change that. 00:57:21.858 --> 00:57:29.937 - street and intersection. I'm just asking that we don't make the same mistake here and we do whatever 00:57:29.937 --> 00:57:38.176 - it takes to make it safe for children, adults, anyone who is using or crossing that. I appreciate Zach 00:57:38.176 --> 00:57:46.255 - Miller timing it right now with his camera and telling us who was running street. Just before I left 00:57:46.255 --> 00:57:49.854 - town, I was there. I came to a full stop and 00:57:51.266 --> 00:58:00.326 - Motors looked over at me and just blew right through the center of the street. It happens every week, 00:58:00.326 --> 00:58:09.563 - two or three times. So thank you very much, and I appreciate that you'll do the right thing. Thank you. 00:58:09.563 --> 00:58:19.422 - I'm not seeing anyone else online. Thank you. Anyone else in council chambers? Last chance for public comment. 00:58:23.394 --> 00:58:30.167 - Seeing none, we'll move back to the commission. And as we make this transition, I want to clarify some 00:58:30.167 --> 00:58:36.743 - context, both for ourselves and for the public. What the commission can do at this point is we have 00:58:36.743 --> 00:58:43.451 - three options. We can recommend no further action. We can request additional study or information, or 00:58:43.451 --> 00:58:50.422 - we can request a future petition or resolution be placed on an agenda, identifying a clear and actionable 00:58:50.422 --> 00:58:53.118 - outcome, directive, or policy objective. 00:58:53.282 --> 00:58:59.830 - So that's something for commissioners to keep in mind. I also want to provide some context because we 00:58:59.830 --> 00:59:06.571 - had a similar inquiry, unfortunately, just last November. It was a vulnerable user, pedestrian, crossing 00:59:06.571 --> 00:59:13.056 - a crosswalk when it was their turn, who was struck by a driver when it was not their turn. I want to 00:59:13.056 --> 00:59:19.861 - tell you about the outcomes of that, as that can affect this useful context here. In that case, we passed 00:59:19.861 --> 00:59:22.750 - two resolutions, and it's an option we have. 00:59:22.850 --> 00:59:29.701 - tonight to pass more than one. We passed a motion for staff to develop a resolution that reviews city 00:59:29.701 --> 00:59:36.618 - policy on citing drivers for traffic violations, in particular for alignment with Safe Streets for All 00:59:36.618 --> 00:59:44.006 - and Vision Zero goals. That was one of the points that our speakers brought is that the driver was distracted 00:59:44.006 --> 00:59:50.789 - and we wanna make sure that in terms of enforcement that we're doing as much as we can. So something 00:59:50.789 --> 00:59:52.670 - is in motion there already. 00:59:53.058 --> 01:00:00.780 - At that time, this was for College and Covenanter crossing College Mall. We passed a motion to request 01:00:00.780 --> 01:00:08.426 - staff to conduct additional study of the College Mall Road and Covenanter intersection in the context 01:00:08.426 --> 01:00:15.998 - of contemporary safety standards for the greenway system. What that incident had in common with this 01:00:15.998 --> 01:00:21.246 - one is it was a greenway system, a system of routes that the city has 01:00:21.378 --> 01:00:31.457 - Promoted a safe crossing a busy road where a vulnerable road user was struck. So with that introduction, 01:00:31.457 --> 01:00:41.439 - I'll move to commissioners for a comment Appropriate to ask questions at this time. You may okay. Thank 01:00:41.439 --> 01:00:50.270 - you Yeah, so compliance is is well enforcement is definitely one issue here and I think you 01:00:50.370 --> 01:00:57.010 - we've already taken a step to advance policy, hopefully policy change on that front, but recognizing, 01:00:57.010 --> 01:01:03.520 - as a lot of the commenters did, that we're really aiming for safety by design to the maximum extent 01:01:03.520 --> 01:01:10.094 - possible. And I'm curious for the engineering department's perspective, in a situation like this, so 01:01:10.094 --> 01:01:16.864 - from a design standpoint specifically, when we're looking at an always stop with poor compliance, maybe 01:01:16.864 --> 01:01:18.622 - on the high volume street, 01:01:18.786 --> 01:01:26.472 - what additional options do we even have in our toolkit to increase safety by design in a situation like 01:01:26.472 --> 01:01:33.862 - that? Measures that come to my mind are at least putting on the pavement stop sign ahead. That just 01:01:33.862 --> 01:01:41.770 - gives more notice to people, but other things that we could do are at a race crosswalk at the intersection 01:01:41.770 --> 01:01:48.126 - to encourage people to slow down, or a traffic calming device ahead of the crosswalk. 01:01:48.354 --> 01:01:56.132 - that if they're not paying attention, they would go over that and be warned that they're gonna go over 01:01:56.132 --> 01:02:04.061 - something. We could also add a traffic island just to visually narrow the area. Thank you. And any other 01:02:04.061 --> 01:02:11.989 - thoughts about the efficacy of some of the other options that folks raised in comments? So I'm recalling 01:02:11.989 --> 01:02:15.614 - rumble strips and maybe the possibility of like 01:02:16.194 --> 01:02:24.149 - I think I've seen stop signs that have like lights around the outside of it, right, or things like that. 01:02:24.149 --> 01:02:32.256 - Yeah, I think the rumble strips would also be effective at helping people to be brought back to attention. 01:02:32.256 --> 01:02:39.984 - I'm not aware if rumble strips are something that we usually do before stop signs. I think we usually 01:02:39.984 --> 01:02:44.606 - do them before construction zones or curves. And the idea of 01:02:46.818 --> 01:02:55.334 - Lights on stop signs. I think that would also be good to draw attention to the stop sign But in this 01:02:55.334 --> 01:03:04.103 - case if the person was looking at their phone, I'm not sure if adding lights to a stop sign would would 01:03:04.103 --> 01:03:12.534 - do that Thank you, yeah If I can add something If I don't necessarily agree with the ideas that you 01:03:12.534 --> 01:03:14.558 - guys brought up I think 01:03:14.978 --> 01:03:24.776 - It's not saying that there are other things that we couldn't do Yeah, okay, mr. Coppock a Couple things 01:03:24.776 --> 01:03:34.198 - one of them what about changing the crosswalk markings instead of just the two lines to put in more 01:03:34.198 --> 01:03:43.902 - of the Mid block or piano key cross crossing What does it take to do that Simply that would just be to 01:03:44.258 --> 01:03:51.325 - Have our crews go out there and paint it There already is a March crosswalk and so we've Already said 01:03:51.325 --> 01:03:58.738 - that there's Sufficient volumes of pedestrians crossing to have a crosswalk. So we would just be upgrading 01:03:58.738 --> 01:04:05.667 - it to continental crosswalks So you will be upgrading it or We can I'm gonna say cuz it's kind of I 01:04:05.667 --> 01:04:12.318 - mean those are you kind of used to designate where people don't really expect a crosswalk and I 01:04:12.706 --> 01:04:19.226 - That's a pretty open area when people come through there, but what does it take to get rumble strips 01:04:19.226 --> 01:04:25.811 - put in? Because, I mean, even though it's not a curve or whatever, I mean, it's kind of an area where 01:04:25.811 --> 01:04:32.331 - people do roll through or just drive through because it's, like I say, it's kind of wide open. What, 01:04:32.331 --> 01:04:38.915 - I mean, are rumble strips an ordinance matter or is it just, what creates getting rumble strips? What 01:04:38.915 --> 01:04:42.014 - is needed to create rumble strips being put in? 01:04:44.130 --> 01:04:52.189 - I'm gonna defer to Andrew. Thank you City engineer a couple things I Guess rumble strips are would be 01:04:52.189 --> 01:05:00.643 - a new tool for the city Bloomington Especially in a residential area like this typically a lot of guidance 01:05:00.643 --> 01:05:08.543 - would suggest not using rumble strips whether they're linear along a center line like you would see 01:05:08.543 --> 01:05:13.758 - on a freeway Or on the approach to a curve or something like that 01:05:14.306 --> 01:05:21.352 - They can generate a lot of noise. So that is just a thing to be aware of So if it's something that that 01:05:21.352 --> 01:05:28.195 - we're hearing if the Commission asks us to further evaluate it That's something that we could do but 01:05:28.195 --> 01:05:35.105 - just to be aware that generally they're not industry suggested treatment in urban context or adjacent 01:05:35.105 --> 01:05:42.558 - to nearby residents another thing just to reflect on to that just for for maybe the Commission's awareness is 01:05:42.722 --> 01:05:49.679 - Frequently we will receive requests for always stops With the desire that those will be the tool that 01:05:49.679 --> 01:05:56.500 - makes an intersection safe Sometimes we will staff may not agree with that suggestion and say there 01:05:56.500 --> 01:06:03.457 - may be our other treatments and an example of this intersection and some of the things you're hearing 01:06:03.457 --> 01:06:10.482 - are potentially a reason just just for awareness that when there are a higher volume road intersecting 01:06:10.482 --> 01:06:11.710 - a more minor road 01:06:12.162 --> 01:06:19.872 - Drivers tend to not always fully respect the stop signs So just that is a part of it and just just wanted 01:06:19.872 --> 01:06:27.290 - to draw some attention to that, too Yeah, I have a question about the Ways how we can resolve this we 01:06:27.290 --> 01:06:34.709 - talked about a few ideas in here people brought up some ideas you mentioned something what's the best 01:06:34.709 --> 01:06:41.182 - way to identify which will fits the specific intersection which will work their best and 01:06:41.602 --> 01:06:47.992 - I'm guessing it's research, but then maybe we already have some information so we can make some assumptions, 01:06:47.992 --> 01:06:54.030 - or in general, how do we define the best solution, and how do we measure the outcome of this solution? 01:06:54.030 --> 01:07:00.245 - Those are really good questions. I think that's a part of what this inquiry process is. So the commission 01:07:00.245 --> 01:07:06.107 - can certainly request staff to do a further study. If there are particular treatments or ideas, you 01:07:06.107 --> 01:07:09.566 - would like staff to do further evaluation on our research. 01:07:09.666 --> 01:07:15.188 - we'd be happy to and to share the findings at a future meeting. So that's certainly a tool. 01:07:15.188 --> 01:07:21.430 - And I'm sorry, if you guys are asking questions and I'm not answering them all, that is not on purpose. 01:07:21.430 --> 01:07:27.552 - I am struck. Was there more to that? My second question was about the metrics. How can we measure the 01:07:27.552 --> 01:07:34.334 - efficiency of this solution? I mean, we need to assume something and then we'll test it out, I'm guessing. Yeah. 01:07:34.690 --> 01:07:40.949 - Various options, a lot of them can take and consume time and resources on staff's part. There's things 01:07:40.949 --> 01:07:47.025 - that we could do like evaluating compliance. What are speeds? We could do a compliance study of how 01:07:47.025 --> 01:07:53.101 - many people are stopping, how much are they, or how close are they coming to stopping. Longer term, 01:07:53.101 --> 01:07:59.481 - you can measure crash trends, which is not what anybody wants to do, but I think compliance is something 01:07:59.481 --> 01:08:01.790 - you can assess and measure over time. 01:08:03.234 --> 01:08:09.535 - I think I have a follow-up question. So I'm sure we have similar situations in other areas of the city. 01:08:09.535 --> 01:08:15.775 - I wonder do we have any Numbers or data on what solution worked in there or like what can be used like 01:08:15.775 --> 01:08:22.015 - similar context and solutions which worked or didn't work Can we use that information somehow? I think 01:08:22.015 --> 01:08:28.680 - Generally, that's a thing that I think staff is always trying to keep in mind is when we look at a particular 01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:32.254 - location that's getting more attention is just keeping the 01:08:32.546 --> 01:08:39.031 - larger network in minds in that wanting to make sure that we're being consistent and Appropriately 01:08:39.031 --> 01:08:45.909 - prioritizing things across the entire city Recognizing and there are other crashes where we don't always 01:08:45.909 --> 01:08:51.870 - hear about or we don't have Really compelling cases for so just just being mindful of that 01:08:53.090 --> 01:08:59.388 - Do we have any any place in the city which is like similar on what we discussed in here in terms of 01:08:59.388 --> 01:09:05.939 - like the Lord in terms of the number of people? Trafficking like all of this. Yeah any similar examples 01:09:05.939 --> 01:09:12.237 - which can be referenced to there Probably are and I'd probably want to think through that and maybe 01:09:12.237 --> 01:09:19.102 - share that at a future meeting I'll ask a question Some neighbors have suggested a mural at the intersection 01:09:19.102 --> 01:09:23.070 - as a possibility. Is that just to get people's attention more? 01:09:23.266 --> 01:09:30.117 - Is that a possibility? I think the the city does I would want to revisit it but we have a there is a 01:09:30.117 --> 01:09:37.172 - Art in the right-of-way policy those things go through our city board of public works One thing of note 01:09:37.172 --> 01:09:44.023 - in relation to some of the comments too are that there are very strict guidelines on what crosswalks 01:09:44.023 --> 01:09:49.246 - can look like so there we do not permit murals or different color crosswalks 01:09:49.378 --> 01:09:57.476 - But something outside of the crosswalk is is more possible We haven't seen a mural on a road like Smith. 01:09:57.476 --> 01:10:05.343 - They've generally been on more lower volume local streets So those would be just things that would be 01:10:05.343 --> 01:10:13.286 - looked at and logistically with every a problem with Whatever temporary closure to make something like 01:10:13.286 --> 01:10:14.366 - that happen I 01:10:14.850 --> 01:10:24.059 - There's always a process to work through things. We have major roads that closed at different times 01:10:24.059 --> 01:10:33.360 - that possible. Thank you Of all the different options we've talked about which would be the One that 01:10:33.360 --> 01:10:39.070 - you would be able to be completed the fastest quickly I think 01:10:51.682 --> 01:10:58.769 - The honest trick in the part of that question that I struggle with the most is what would be effective 01:10:58.769 --> 01:11:06.199 - if I'm being honest. I think one of the things that we could do most easily, and this is me as the engineer 01:11:06.199 --> 01:11:13.423 - that isn't responsible for those that install and maintain things, but would be to look at the crosswalk 01:11:13.423 --> 01:11:19.134 - markings and potentially explore a crosswalk marking that is more high visibility. 01:11:19.362 --> 01:11:26.648 - But would that have stopped a driver that wasn't looking at the stop sign? But that would be probably 01:11:26.648 --> 01:11:34.148 - the easiest thing that could be done that might have some help. Go ahead. Yeah. I had one other question 01:11:34.148 --> 01:11:41.720 - about a treatment type, which is I'm seeing increasingly used in Bloomington, maybe in slightly different 01:11:41.720 --> 01:11:47.934 - contexts than this, which is flexible delineator posts that actually create a vertical 01:11:48.386 --> 01:11:54.292 - Barrier and I think in other cities at least I've seen approaching an intersection on both sides to 01:11:54.292 --> 01:12:00.317 - say I'm like the bike lane Stripe on one side and the center line on the other It does have quite the 01:12:00.317 --> 01:12:06.223 - effect. I think of visually narrowing the space if you are diverting at all you hit something right 01:12:06.223 --> 01:12:12.129 - that's that's Not gonna damage your car terribly, but but it gets your attention certainly What are 01:12:12.129 --> 01:12:16.382 - your thoughts about that type of treatment in this type of situation? I 01:12:17.378 --> 01:12:23.239 - I think that's something we'd be open to evaluating and looking at. There's probably some implications 01:12:23.239 --> 01:12:29.157 - that I'd want to make sure we're being mindful of, and also going back to the prior question about what 01:12:29.157 --> 01:12:35.132 - could be done soon that might help. Another option is just making sure stop signs are visible. I believe 01:12:35.132 --> 01:12:40.936 - they are, especially going northbound, but another way that we've done in locations where they're not 01:12:40.936 --> 01:12:41.790 - always visible 01:12:41.922 --> 01:12:52.078 - Or whether our obstructions is to put stop signs on both sides of the road So those would be like more 01:12:52.078 --> 01:13:02.135 - near-term lower cost type things that could be looked at Thank you Yeah One more question Andrew Hank 01:13:02.135 --> 01:13:10.910 - was here about some monies that you had to try some things on different intersections of 01:13:11.266 --> 01:13:18.367 - couple meetings ago would just be it one are you going to be looking at this intersection and two is 01:13:18.367 --> 01:13:25.960 - that one of those intersection you might Put some of that money towards the temporary Design or redesigning 01:13:25.960 --> 01:13:33.131 - the intersection? That's a good question, and I don't know if Ryan or Others might have more. I don't 01:13:33.131 --> 01:13:38.334 - know if we've gotten to that level of detail, but looking to Hinks boss I 01:13:40.546 --> 01:13:47.070 - Manager, I don't believe we have exact an exact list nailed down yet. So we can certainly look at it 01:14:10.658 --> 01:14:18.449 - I think we have some more questions. Yeah, sorry. I'll ask one. So looking at our city at the subset 01:14:18.449 --> 01:14:26.316 - of places where greenways cross busier intersections, are there places in that category where we have 01:14:26.316 --> 01:14:34.261 - done treatments that we wouldn't otherwise have done if it was just two car-focused roads intersecting 01:14:34.261 --> 01:14:39.198 - each other? That's okay if you don't know, I'll stop your head. 01:14:39.586 --> 01:14:46.367 - Don't know nothing is coming immediately to the top of my mind. I know when we have done greenways, 01:14:46.367 --> 01:14:53.283 - we've looked at stop signs and Removing them, but that would be more on a minor road configuration Do 01:14:53.283 --> 01:15:00.063 - you think that could be a justification for an upgraded or different kind of treatment specifically 01:15:00.063 --> 01:15:07.454 - when greenways cross other roads, I Think so. I think in maybe other examples might be where there are not a 01:15:07.586 --> 01:15:15.996 - Always stops but where we would have Like I'm thinking of really major roads where we might put a pedestrian 01:15:15.996 --> 01:15:23.790 - hybrid beacon type signal Or we would put medians in the center of the road to enable users to cross 01:15:23.790 --> 01:15:30.966 - one lane at a time But most of those it's they wouldn't have to always stop. So this is what 01:15:30.966 --> 01:15:35.518 - this intersection has today I Got it Highland and Thornton 01:15:42.882 --> 01:15:50.099 - Highland has bumps. Okay breaking news. Yes there That's fair. I'm sure there are other examples where 01:15:50.099 --> 01:15:57.175 - we've done bump outs or things with our greenway projects I appreciate the hints maybe there and Max 01:15:57.175 --> 01:16:04.251 - Maxwell and Thornton Yes, you're right. And I think maybe one of the tricks here is on Smith is that 01:16:04.251 --> 01:16:11.678 - we don't have parking in their bike lane so if we were to do bump outs it would be into the bike lane and 01:16:11.938 --> 01:16:17.581 - And the bike lanes there. I know you've heard a comment are already narrow, but that would there are 01:16:17.581 --> 01:16:23.224 - they're substandard. Yes. Yeah Yeah, thank you. We have some more questions or comments. I think I'm 01:16:23.224 --> 01:16:28.922 - gonna go to mr. Drummey next Recently during a quarter study we talked about Neighborhood circles and 01:16:28.922 --> 01:16:34.733 - traffic circles and there's something between a neighborhood circle and a traffic sort of what we think 01:16:34.733 --> 01:16:40.990 - of as a roundabout I guess is that something that's ever you've ever seen used in a situation like this just to 01:16:41.314 --> 01:16:48.900 - Make it harder to go through this intersection make you force you to slow down Yeah, we have neighborhood 01:16:48.900 --> 01:16:56.129 - traffic circles and near Westside neighborhood other communities That's maybe different context than 01:16:56.129 --> 01:17:03.572 - a road like Smith. Some communities are starting to do more with like a mini roundabout That don't take 01:17:03.572 --> 01:17:08.510 - the full space as a more traditional neighborhood or roundabout that 01:17:08.674 --> 01:17:14.872 - Could be explored here. Those tend to have more mountable treatments, but try to encourage people to 01:17:14.872 --> 01:17:21.560 - slow down That would be a potential alternative to an always stop at this location But those would typically 01:17:21.560 --> 01:17:27.696 - then turn the intersection to a yield intersection instead of a stop and then have to navigate some 01:17:27.696 --> 01:17:34.139 - Obstacle that's what I was in my mind. Yes. I'm any roundabout would have the yield signs instead. Thank 01:17:34.139 --> 01:17:34.814 - you That's 01:17:36.162 --> 01:17:41.278 - My question is kind of follow-up of what we discussed before, what I asked before. So I wonder, 01:17:41.278 --> 01:17:46.926 - do we have, I believe we had the conversation on this, we had a commission on this topic before. I wasn't 01:17:46.926 --> 01:17:52.308 - part of that, but I'm just curious what kind of information or like data we already have around that 01:17:52.308 --> 01:17:57.850 - context of that area, like which can help us to choose which solution could be. Of course, if you don't 01:17:57.850 --> 01:18:03.498 - have any answer right now, it's fine, you can deliver it later, but I'm just curious, do we have anything 01:18:03.498 --> 01:18:05.470 - on hand already? And I'm, I'm sorry. 01:18:06.146 --> 01:18:12.807 - Missed that No problem, the question is do we have any data or information which explains the context 01:18:12.807 --> 01:18:19.403 - and helps us to understand which solution we can lean towards Sure, I think that would probably be a 01:18:19.403 --> 01:18:26.195 - part of a further study and one that I think is already gonna be forthcoming for the prior inquiry that 01:18:26.195 --> 01:18:32.726 - was referenced at College Mall and Covenanter So some more to come and that would be an option that 01:18:32.726 --> 01:18:34.750 - we could present in the future 01:18:40.834 --> 01:18:48.291 - I'm going to make one more comment, and I think it's about time to move towards making some motions. 01:18:48.291 --> 01:18:55.748 - This time I want to speak to the audience, particularly the Girl Scouts who all came. I am a dad who 01:18:55.748 --> 01:19:03.204 - lives nearby. I live on Morningside Drive. I live near that intersection. I have my daughter's name, 01:19:03.204 --> 01:19:10.366 - Lena, and it really is hard to hear. I biked with her through that intersection when she was 10. 01:19:10.530 --> 01:19:17.854 - It's something I'd like to see improved. I'm up here today partly because one of my friends from college 01:19:17.854 --> 01:19:24.899 - was killed while riding her bike by hit from a distracted driver. So it's something that's important 01:19:24.899 --> 01:19:31.944 - to all of us up here and to me in particular. I'd like to see this addressed systematically. You all 01:19:31.944 --> 01:19:38.989 - know about this intersection and this person. I don't want this to happen to any other intersection, 01:19:38.989 --> 01:19:39.966 - to any other. 01:19:40.066 --> 01:19:49.849 - Around town, so we want to address this intersection, but we also want to see what we can do Systematically 01:19:49.849 --> 01:19:59.088 - and so we're going to see what we can we can do So at this point we have you can have more comment or 01:19:59.088 --> 01:20:06.334 - we can move towards making the one of the resolutions I mentioned and Mr. Fleer 01:20:06.626 --> 01:20:12.646 - Actually ask a process question related to you may potential motions We're still in the early phases 01:20:12.646 --> 01:20:18.726 - of this Commission and kind of navigating some new structures and procedurally These aren't the types 01:20:18.726 --> 01:20:24.805 - the types of things we're talking about generally would not come to the City Council for codification 01:20:24.805 --> 01:20:30.885 - for instance I'm trying to get a little better sense is the only policy path now through one of these 01:20:30.885 --> 01:20:33.150 - routes that the Commission would take 01:20:33.506 --> 01:20:42.363 - Are there also things that the engineering or planning department might do at its own initiative? For 01:20:42.363 --> 01:20:51.219 - instance that wouldn't actually require formal action of this body Could someone help me clarify that 01:20:51.219 --> 01:20:59.989 - I'll try I certainly on this topic the Commission has the per the rules the three options to explore 01:20:59.989 --> 01:21:01.118 - I think more 01:21:01.282 --> 01:21:08.137 - Globally a couple things that are on my mind are The engineering department is for the first time in 01:21:08.137 --> 01:21:15.195 - over three years fully staffed Over three years and so between that and also I think some recent hiring 01:21:15.195 --> 01:21:22.457 - happening in the planning department we're getting to a point where we can start to Do what we are charged 01:21:22.457 --> 01:21:29.312 - with doing and what some of those things are called out in the safety action plan there are a number 01:21:29.312 --> 01:21:30.398 - of action items 01:21:30.498 --> 01:21:36.103 - That we have honestly just not been able to do all of them because of capacity constraints So hoping 01:21:36.103 --> 01:21:41.874 - that we are able to be more Proactive in identifying things per that plan that means that I don't think 01:21:41.874 --> 01:21:47.479 - we'll be able to do all but We intend to take steps forward to address some of those I don't know if 01:21:47.479 --> 01:21:53.140 - that answers your question, but some of those may result in policies standard procedures things about 01:21:53.140 --> 01:21:56.414 - how we are moving forward with with various activities and 01:21:57.314 --> 01:22:04.014 - Yeah, and maybe just by way of follow-up and I know we can take the route of passing things here and 01:22:04.014 --> 01:22:10.649 - we probably will but That takes time because we meet monthly and and so just wondering what options 01:22:10.649 --> 01:22:17.548 - are there for Staff to act at its own expertise and initiative too. Yeah, and I generally just speaking 01:22:17.548 --> 01:22:22.590 - there are things that this Commission doesn't see that result in action and 01:22:22.722 --> 01:22:28.781 - Typically what we are taking before you and we are all learning this is a new thing for all of us is 01:22:28.781 --> 01:22:34.960 - Trying to be proactive about bringing forward major capital projects And then also things that do have 01:22:34.960 --> 01:22:41.019 - policy changes that things that would have typically been in a title 15 ordinance That being said if 01:22:41.019 --> 01:22:47.139 - there are other things that I am blanking on or other desires of the Commission to please let us know 01:22:47.139 --> 01:22:51.038 - but there are other things outside of those realms that we we do 01:22:51.778 --> 01:23:00.911 - Over time. Okay. Thank you. Well, I'll add one more question if neighbors did want to pursue a mural 01:23:00.911 --> 01:23:10.495 - What would be the process step for that? I think maybe a first just a Probably an email to Transportation 01:23:10.495 --> 01:23:18.814 - Commission and we'll make sure to get you directed to the right people in process Thank you 01:23:24.418 --> 01:23:30.346 - Just small question on the process too. So basically the If I understand it correctly is the fastest 01:23:30.346 --> 01:23:36.333 - way to achieve anything is to have like if we want to learn more It's a study then we do study in the 01:23:36.333 --> 01:23:42.202 - months we discuss the results of the study and then then only we can decide What we do next, right? 01:23:42.202 --> 01:23:48.131 - So do I understand it? Right that months is like the minimum to get something done with this process 01:23:48.131 --> 01:23:49.598 - right now. Yeah, I think 01:23:50.530 --> 01:23:58.189 - Commission asks us to do study. We'll do a study We will keep the Commission up to date and share the 01:23:58.189 --> 01:24:05.849 - results of that study Depending on what staff finds there can be some smaller incremental things that 01:24:05.849 --> 01:24:13.358 - don't Jump to the level of needing the Commission's review that could happen sooner That's possible 01:24:13.358 --> 01:24:18.014 - Thank you other process questions or we can also but mr. Cope 01:24:20.258 --> 01:24:28.430 - Andrew if The Commission does Request an additional study. What kind of time frame do you think you 01:24:28.430 --> 01:24:37.091 - would need to do that study? That's a good question We talked about an inquiry that I think you discussed 01:24:37.091 --> 01:24:45.590 - in November that we haven't brought forward the results of yet So I think most likely it would probably 01:24:45.590 --> 01:24:49.022 - be a series of months. There's also other 01:24:49.186 --> 01:24:59.628 - Projects and major initiatives coming your way. So it's a balance to of managing your schedule and what's 01:24:59.628 --> 01:25:09.480 - on the agenda But I don't know maybe a couple months if I'm just guessing Thank you Other questions 01:25:09.480 --> 01:25:19.134 - or would someone want to put forward one of the options we have I can repeat them if you'd like I 01:25:20.226 --> 01:25:30.772 - I'd like to make a motion that we request an additional study and information on this particular intersection 01:25:30.772 --> 01:25:40.359 - Any comments on that before we take it to a vote We need a second Question on the motion. Yeah, you 01:25:40.359 --> 01:25:47.262 - may Do we have a second before we bring it to the floor for discussion? 01:25:50.754 --> 01:25:58.781 - All right now now now it's on the table for discussion and we'll start My my thought would be Amending 01:25:58.781 --> 01:26:06.964 - the motion to be a little more specific in the in the terms and the scope of the study You know, I think 01:26:06.964 --> 01:26:14.757 - a lot of times general public they hear well, we're gonna study it doesn't mean a whole lot to them 01:26:14.757 --> 01:26:20.446 - but I think if we could amend the motion to be somewhat more specific in 01:26:20.610 --> 01:26:28.116 - in terms of the scope of the study, you know, whether it be the rumble strips, the additional signage, 01:26:28.116 --> 01:26:35.986 - all the things that were mentioned, or if it's just gonna be a comprehensive, we'll leave it to engineering 01:26:35.986 --> 01:26:43.637 - and just my thoughts. Thank you. Other comments on the motion? Comment, I guess, last question. I looked 01:26:43.637 --> 01:26:49.758 - up online to see what our resolution was related to the covenanter. I have it here. 01:26:50.082 --> 01:26:57.642 - Remind me Great I have it here says we passed a motion to request staff to conduct additional study 01:26:57.642 --> 01:27:05.278 - of the college model and covenanter Intersection in the context of contemporary safety standards For 01:27:05.278 --> 01:27:12.914 - the city's greenway system. So one option we would have would be to extend the scope of that request 01:27:12.914 --> 01:27:18.206 - to look at Generally Where our greenway network crosses intersections 01:27:18.562 --> 01:27:24.945 - What safety standards do we apply to that? Thank you. I think my question is still around how soon we 01:27:24.945 --> 01:27:31.328 - can get any results. I mean, if we decide to do the study, like, what would be the most efficient way 01:27:31.328 --> 01:27:37.649 - on, like, get something achieved in the end? I understand that it takes time, but if it's easier to, 01:27:37.649 --> 01:27:42.718 - like, join, like, with another study or, like, some other way, do it separately? 01:27:43.010 --> 01:27:52.479 - Are you suggesting that if we joined it with the one that was already happening, I mean, maybe that's 01:27:52.479 --> 01:28:01.854 - an option too I'm just Thank you Mr. Flaherty, I think I lean in favor of a petition myself and so I 01:28:01.854 --> 01:28:10.302 - don't know if those are mutually exclusive But That's it so so maybe I would be voting for 01:28:10.754 --> 01:28:16.691 - I would support an expansion of the prior resolution that looks at this more systematically the issue 01:28:16.691 --> 01:28:22.628 - of greenways crossing busy streets So I would support that if the motion were amended, but I think in 01:28:22.628 --> 01:28:28.507 - this particular case. I'm interested in moving Direction of a petition as well. Okay. Yeah, I'm also 01:28:28.507 --> 01:28:34.502 - interested in the expanding the scope of the The one from November to look at more generally greenways 01:28:34.502 --> 01:28:35.550 - and intersections 01:28:41.154 --> 01:28:48.219 - if we expand the existing one is it in action already like is it in process already or not yet this 01:28:48.219 --> 01:28:55.425 - is the one you mentioned that it's not happening yet right it has not started yet or it started we're 01:28:55.425 --> 01:29:02.702 - asking about the status of the motion we passed in November which was to look at the college model and 01:29:02.702 --> 01:29:10.686 - covenant or intersection in the context of the city's greenway system and so we're discussing the possibility of 01:29:11.490 --> 01:29:17.792 - Expanding that but where our questions about the status of that That evaluation is in very preliminary 01:29:17.792 --> 01:29:24.093 - stages as if I'm being honest I'll also say that while they're both part of a greenway network The the 01:29:24.093 --> 01:29:30.456 - context of those crossings is also very different college mall is very different than Smith the traffic 01:29:30.456 --> 01:29:36.575 - signal verse and always stop so I think from an initial review they would be Separate they could be 01:29:36.575 --> 01:29:40.062 - presented together, but they would be looked at a bit in 01:29:40.866 --> 01:29:48.663 - Even though they both are a part of a green way You mentioned That's useful to look at things systematically 01:29:48.663 --> 01:29:56.174 - and I think we were trying to sure work within that framework You also mentioned these are two different 01:29:56.174 --> 01:30:03.399 - kinds of intersections Do you would you find that to be useful to combine those inquiries or to look 01:30:03.399 --> 01:30:09.694 - at them separately? I think maybe a part of it would depend on the Commission's desired 01:30:11.362 --> 01:30:18.889 - Prioritization, I think the systemic evaluations can take longer Whereas the more focused evaluations 01:30:18.889 --> 01:30:26.858 - can be quicker And but that generally we are also trying to have that larger perspective in our evaluations 01:30:26.858 --> 01:30:34.311 - So it's a complex thing and that's why we have a commission to sure It does sound like we might have 01:30:34.311 --> 01:30:39.550 - an opportunity for a good now better later approach you mentioned some 01:30:39.842 --> 01:30:48.799 - like a second stop sign or some things that could be done in a short term, not permanent, low cost, 01:30:48.799 --> 01:30:58.024 - while a long, while a more systematic approach was taken. That seemed like a workable path. Yes. Okay. 01:30:58.024 --> 01:31:07.518 - My comment would be the reason I had to ask about the college ball on covenanter situations, just not to, 01:31:08.450 --> 01:31:18.414 - Because I agree with with Andrew analysis. This is a completely different intersection. It seems like 01:31:18.414 --> 01:31:28.279 - it does happen to be a greenway, but also cars running stop signs at any intersections that an issue 01:31:28.279 --> 01:31:37.950 - that we need to look at. So I would be in favor of amending the competition or the current motion. 01:31:38.178 --> 01:31:46.934 - to include how it interplays with the green play component, but also focus specifically on this intersection 01:31:46.934 --> 01:31:55.048 - with the hopes that there'd be quicker action knowing that the wheels of government turn silver. Mr. 01:31:55.048 --> 01:32:03.724 - Coppock, would you like to amend your motion? I have no problem with amending my motion to Brian's position 01:32:03.724 --> 01:32:08.062 - on it, which is including the, including College Mall 01:32:08.482 --> 01:32:14.763 - How do you want to amend it? No, no, I mean copy paste what we determined that the, I don't have the 01:32:14.763 --> 01:32:20.795 - language in front of me, but the, it's keeping your motion completely focused on this particular 01:32:20.795 --> 01:32:27.014 - intersection, but also including an analysis of not only how do we make the intersection safer, but 01:32:27.014 --> 01:32:33.295 - also how do we, in keeping in mind that it is a greenway and we want to focus on a greenway crossing 01:32:33.295 --> 01:32:38.270 - as well. So I could, to put some words to that, it would be a motion to request 01:32:38.370 --> 01:32:49.593 - Staff to conduct additional study of the Smith and Morningside intersection in the context of contemporary 01:32:49.593 --> 01:33:00.501 - safety standards for the city's greenway system Yeah, that's fine Yes, just to step in real quick Irish 01:33:00.501 --> 01:33:06.270 - did you catch that motion I caught What mark just said 01:33:06.562 --> 01:33:13.725 - But if there's something else that I'm supposed to attach the motion, I did not catch that No, I just 01:33:13.725 --> 01:33:20.888 - want to make sure you caught what mr. Stossberg said, okay You'll need a motion to amend the original 01:33:20.888 --> 01:33:27.981 - motion. Okay It can be done via unanimous consent as well as long as no one objects. Yeah Do we have 01:33:27.981 --> 01:33:35.073 - unanimous consent to amend or replace the motion we do great Is there further comment or we're ready 01:33:35.073 --> 01:33:36.478 - for to vote on this 01:33:39.522 --> 01:33:45.638 - I'm just asking just a question on the scope to not make this study very long. Maybe it's not super 01:33:45.638 --> 01:33:52.060 - relevant to this discussion, but I just want to make sure that we define the scope clearly. So the scope 01:33:52.060 --> 01:33:58.605 - is just this intersection, which he said smaller is better, but it's framed in the context of our greenway 01:33:58.605 --> 01:34:04.843 - system. And that I think gives the city some latitude to consider treatments that other intersections 01:34:04.843 --> 01:34:05.822 - might not have. 01:34:10.594 --> 01:34:22.772 - Clarification are there other comments before we vote? All right Let's I think we're ready to vote on 01:34:22.772 --> 01:34:35.427 - this motion. Then can we have a roll call vote? All right Strasburg, yes Scooter scroll. Yes Davis absent 01:34:35.427 --> 01:34:39.486 - Flaherty. Yes drumming. Yes Valen 01:34:42.466 --> 01:34:52.569 - Yes Copic. Yes. All right all in favor. Thank you Thank you with that motion carries Thank you for everyone 01:34:52.569 --> 01:35:02.111 - who came to speak on this matter you're welcome to stay for the rest of the meeting but if you've got 01:35:02.111 --> 01:35:10.718 - other things to do you're welcome to So I also have a mission another making another motion 01:35:10.818 --> 01:35:17.618 - Yes, we are allowed to have more than one motion on this. Yeah, okay, and I can share just a bit of 01:35:17.618 --> 01:35:24.690 - rationale. I mean It seems to me like there are at least some low cost low barrier options to make some 01:35:24.690 --> 01:35:31.694 - progress now And that based on the data we have not only the experience shared by folks today, but the 01:35:31.694 --> 01:35:37.950 - data we have documented in the safe streets for all action plan especially as it relates to 01:35:38.274 --> 01:35:44.256 - the crash risk for vulnerable street users at this exact location and in near proximity. I think it's 01:35:44.256 --> 01:35:50.297 - warranted to at least consider taking action now and that's what a petition would allow us to consider 01:35:50.297 --> 01:35:56.279 - and vote on in a future meeting. So with that in mind, I move to direct the development of a petition 01:35:56.279 --> 01:36:02.143 - recommending action on near term achievable interventions at the Morningside and Smith intersection 01:36:02.143 --> 01:36:05.662 - with the goal of maximizing compliance with the always stop 01:36:06.242 --> 01:36:18.195 - Science to improve safety outcomes for vulnerable street users Second we have a second so this is on 01:36:18.195 --> 01:36:30.384 - the table for discussion Question for staff that does it sound like a viable option if it were to pass 01:36:30.384 --> 01:36:35.710 - I Think the motion was is clear. I think the 01:36:36.226 --> 01:36:47.082 - Being transparent, the question that's in my head is what criteria would be used to hypothetically put 01:36:47.082 --> 01:36:57.728 - two stop signs at what intersections or what intersections to do higher intensity crosswalk markings 01:36:57.728 --> 01:37:00.574 - knowing I think we need to 01:37:01.314 --> 01:37:07.370 - Do a better job maintaining the markings that we do have at the same time So those are just the questions 01:37:07.370 --> 01:37:13.369 - in my mind. The motion is very clear. We're happy to evaluate and come back on that So to clarify you're 01:37:13.369 --> 01:37:19.082 - just you're asking to us to look at this at a system perspective of like What criteria are we using 01:37:19.082 --> 01:37:24.510 - at this intersection that we would be comfortable with applying elsewhere in the city? I guess 01:37:24.610 --> 01:37:30.153 - Honestly, I think I'm more think those will be the questions that I'm going to be asking myself and 01:37:30.153 --> 01:37:35.972 - in evaluating and responding to this Yeah, that's fair. Thank you As a petitioner do you have a response 01:37:35.972 --> 01:37:41.570 - I think it's a good question. I think yeah, we often aren't thinking of those things and always need 01:37:41.570 --> 01:37:47.224 - to be Because we can't do everything at once and we have limited funds and limited staff capacity and 01:37:47.224 --> 01:37:52.933 - all the rest I think at the same time we often don't have those systems in place and we can't let that 01:37:52.933 --> 01:37:53.598 - prevent any 01:37:53.986 --> 01:38:00.897 - near-term action and again for me the kind of dispositive factor beyond, you know, the catalyst of folks 01:38:00.897 --> 01:38:08.138 - coming tonight was the Safe Streets for All action plan and the data we have again with respect to bicyclists 01:38:08.138 --> 01:38:14.852 - in particular actually at this intersection. So in the absence of a more perfect systematic approach, 01:38:14.852 --> 01:38:21.632 - I think those data-driven maps in the Safe Streets for All action plan about different crash risks for 01:38:21.632 --> 01:38:23.870 - different types of roadway users, 01:38:24.002 --> 01:38:30.556 - is a useful proxy, at least that's where I was coming from. So. Mr. Flaherty, was your, can you clarify, 01:38:30.556 --> 01:38:36.924 - were you calling for something temporary until the longer term was in place, or more actually calling 01:38:36.924 --> 01:38:43.291 - for something immediate? But immediate or permanent, you see the distinction? Yeah, I do. I would say 01:38:43.291 --> 01:38:49.720 - that's flexible based on the engineer's recommendation. I said near-term achievable interventions. The 01:38:49.720 --> 01:38:52.030 - achievable there was meant to denote 01:38:53.090 --> 01:38:58.947 - funding existing, I know there's some budget for these types of things and there's some flexibility, 01:38:58.947 --> 01:39:04.804 - but there's too many unknowns to direct with very high specificity exactly what it should be. So I'm 01:39:04.804 --> 01:39:11.183 - leaving to staff some discretion on making a recommendation with those broad contours of something achievable 01:39:11.183 --> 01:39:17.099 - and near term that would at least make improvements to maximize what they think is the best chance of 01:39:17.099 --> 01:39:20.926 - maximizing compliance with the all-way stop and improving safety. 01:39:25.826 --> 01:39:31.776 - I mean, I'm just supporting that, and I think I'm just curious, is there anything which can be done 01:39:31.776 --> 01:39:37.905 - without extra study, like near term? Like anything where we know that it's compliant with any guidance 01:39:37.905 --> 01:39:44.271 - we have in this, guidelines we have in the city, and maybe there's something missing, we can do it already 01:39:44.271 --> 01:39:50.281 - right now without extra research? That's, I think, my question for now. And anything we can do right 01:39:50.281 --> 01:39:52.542 - now. I don't know if there's anything 01:39:52.770 --> 01:40:00.438 - More the Commission can do right now. I think any time that engineering is doing things we will study 01:40:00.438 --> 01:40:08.107 - it before we do it So but what can happen? With or without the Commission getting an update something 01:40:08.107 --> 01:40:16.151 - we'll keep in mind Mr. Trummy I'm in favor. Mr. Flaherty's motion. I would like to say I guess why there's 01:40:16.151 --> 01:40:18.782 - an audience here there are ways to 01:40:18.882 --> 01:40:24.311 - There are other methods and tools that we don't have in Indiana because our state legislature won't 01:40:24.311 --> 01:40:29.849 - allow us to have them speed cameras stop-siding cameras things like that, so Just you we vote for the 01:40:29.849 --> 01:40:35.441 - people in Indianapolis And so, you know keep that in mind that there are other tools out there to make 01:40:35.441 --> 01:40:41.630 - our streets safer That we as voters can help push for change. So but otherwise I'm in favor of the current motion 01:40:47.586 --> 01:40:55.600 - I would consider framing and have it be temporary until this study is until something better is done, 01:40:55.600 --> 01:41:03.692 - right? So we're not just doing a reactive thing So I'm in favor of improvements, but I want to do good 01:41:03.692 --> 01:41:11.627 - now and and better later Can't disagree with that Okay So in your motion is that something that they 01:41:11.627 --> 01:41:15.870 - would come back to the next meeting and tell us what? 01:41:16.738 --> 01:41:23.044 - What they think could put in there like markings or stop-ahead sign or something like that. Is it I 01:41:23.044 --> 01:41:29.729 - think that's the idea I don't know. I didn't actually require a date in the motion I don't know if that's 01:41:29.729 --> 01:41:36.036 - something that's helpful for staff to prioritize among multiple options or if there's a presumption 01:41:36.036 --> 01:41:42.468 - that Yeah, we could empower them to take action without coming back to us Also true. Yeah, that would 01:41:42.468 --> 01:41:45.054 - be the fastest route to something happen 01:41:47.810 --> 01:41:54.071 - That's kind of just my process question from earlier, which is I guess that's kind of like a fourth 01:41:54.071 --> 01:42:00.644 - option. We haven't really talked about which is directing Some type of action with it without our future 01:42:00.644 --> 01:42:06.905 - consideration I Don't I don't know if we have to have I guess the directing of that action would be 01:42:06.905 --> 01:42:13.291 - a formal step this body could take but I think we've established that staff could take action without 01:42:13.291 --> 01:42:15.294 - us that question and once we've 01:42:16.098 --> 01:42:22.676 - Requested a petition if they feel as they analyze it that has warranted. I suppose they could just move 01:42:22.676 --> 01:42:29.128 - forward. That's right Right, they don't need us to take action. Yes All right, would you like to read 01:42:29.128 --> 01:42:35.580 - your petition one more time? Sure, I move to direct the development of a petition recommending action 01:42:35.580 --> 01:42:40.830 - on near-term achievable interventions at the Morningside and Smith intersection of 01:42:40.962 --> 01:42:53.236 - with the goal of maximizing compliance with the always stop signs to improve safety outcomes for vulnerable 01:42:53.236 --> 01:43:04.942 - street users. Okay. Nope. Is there any other feedback before we take a vote on this? I'm sorry to talk 01:43:04.942 --> 01:43:09.374 - about process. Well, we can. No. Okay. 01:43:10.754 --> 01:43:27.160 - Anyone else then I think we're ready for a roll call vote on Mr. Flaherty's proposal motion Yes Jimmy, 01:43:27.160 --> 01:43:40.062 - yes clarity. Yes, it was go. Yes Jasper. Yes Copic. Yes All right motion carries 01:43:40.706 --> 01:43:49.707 - Are there any other motions regarding the Morningside and Smith? Seeing none, we're ready to move on 01:43:49.707 --> 01:43:59.243 - to our next item on the agenda for those who wish to stay. Thank you all. For those of you who did attend, 01:43:59.243 --> 01:44:07.710 - I was collecting, some people wrote something that they would like to be included in a packet. 01:44:07.970 --> 01:44:12.628 - If you brought something that you would like to be included in the packet that you've not previously 01:44:12.628 --> 01:44:17.470 - submitted, so long as your name is on it, I can include it in an addendum to make it part of the record. 01:44:38.530 --> 01:44:59.422 - Thank you very much. 01:45:14.818 --> 01:45:23.089 - We will move on to the next item on the agenda, which is TCP 2607 Infrastructure improvement and title 01:45:23.089 --> 01:45:31.601 - 15 amendment Roger Street Grimes to 3rd Street There's someone here to present yes, I'm over here Kendall 01:45:31.601 --> 01:45:39.230 - Kenoki engineering department. I'm just going to go ahead and share my screen here and present 01:45:47.874 --> 01:45:56.000 - So this project is the Patterson Grimes Rogers resurfacing project for your consideration tonight are 01:45:56.000 --> 01:46:04.046 - two changes to Roger Street that would have required title 15 Amendments, that's what we're going to 01:46:04.046 --> 01:46:11.614 - be focusing in on tonight, but I'm kind of going to give you a broader overview of the project 01:46:11.810 --> 01:46:18.261 - Before we zoom in on those two locations. So this is a project that we put together last year for the 01:46:18.261 --> 01:46:24.711 - 2025 in dot community crossing matching grant applications so this is a Funding source that the state 01:46:24.711 --> 01:46:31.162 - provides for maintenance projects They have to be maintenance projects and they provide a 50-50 match 01:46:31.162 --> 01:46:33.502 - in funding. So it's really great and 01:46:33.666 --> 01:46:40.846 - Opportunity for municipalities to go for funding. We put together a project here that included most 01:46:40.846 --> 01:46:48.026 - of Patterson Grimes and portions of Roger Street We did not get the funding last year in 2025 so we 01:46:48.026 --> 01:46:55.350 - shelved this project But we actually received notice that there's a second round that's opened up for 01:46:55.350 --> 01:47:01.022 - the 2025 CCMG funds and we are kind of now rushing to put this project forward 01:47:01.250 --> 01:47:06.818 - Together get it finalized and out the door. So that's why it's coming to you tonight It's kind of a 01:47:06.818 --> 01:47:12.496 - unique situation where we didn't think it was gonna happen and now it's it's happening So it's coming 01:47:12.496 --> 01:47:18.064 - before you tonight. I kind of wanted to talk a little bit about When we do these kinds of projects, 01:47:18.064 --> 01:47:23.798 - you know, they're primarily resurfacing maintenance projects so we're resurfacing the roadway mill and 01:47:23.798 --> 01:47:25.246 - overlay is the by far the 01:47:25.474 --> 01:47:32.023 - largest expenditure of funds for these projects. However, we are replacing damaged curbs, damaged portions 01:47:32.023 --> 01:47:38.266 - of the right-of-way, and we also are required by federal law to replace curb ramps. And so when we go 01:47:38.266 --> 01:47:44.815 - and do one of these projects, we often end up having a large number of curb ramps that we need to replace. 01:47:44.815 --> 01:47:51.119 - And because of the city's priorities and goals, I've shown some of them here. Our transportation plan, 01:47:51.119 --> 01:47:54.302 - our Safe Streets for All plan talked about tonight. 01:47:54.594 --> 01:47:59.575 - We we look for opportunities to make safety improvements even during maintenance projects So I just 01:47:59.575 --> 01:48:04.705 - kind of wanted to review a little bit some of the safety improvements that we're doing as part of this 01:48:04.705 --> 01:48:09.686 - project This is not an exhaustive list We just wanted to draw your attention anyone in the public's 01:48:09.686 --> 01:48:14.766 - attention to the types of things that we look for So first of all, if you're familiar with Patterson, 01:48:14.766 --> 01:48:19.797 - there are several traffic signals. This is in the area of Nova Nordisk we have three traffic signals 01:48:19.797 --> 01:48:22.686 - that I've circled here that are a part of the project and 01:48:23.138 --> 01:48:29.578 - And while we're out there doing work, we have to do curb ramp work. We're gonna do some safety improvements 01:48:29.578 --> 01:48:35.661 - to the signals. So a few that we're doing here, we're adding flashing yellow arrow four section heads 01:48:35.661 --> 01:48:41.863 - to the signals. So currently I've got a screenshot of one of the Patterson signals. It's just two green 01:48:41.863 --> 01:48:47.946 - bulbs. We're gonna go ahead and add a flashing yellow arrow anywhere we have left turn lanes. This is 01:48:47.946 --> 01:48:49.854 - a proven safety countermeasure. 01:48:50.018 --> 01:48:55.429 - Also allows us to make changes to the timing of the intersection and potentially improve pedestrian 01:48:55.429 --> 01:49:01.327 - Crossings by being able to to show a red arrow There's there's tons of opportunities for safety improvements 01:49:01.327 --> 01:49:07.009 - with these so we're going to go ahead and add them We're also going to add the back plates to the signal 01:49:07.009 --> 01:49:12.961 - heads. This is another proven safety Improvement and we're going to do this at all three of the intersections 01:49:12.961 --> 01:49:18.372 - We're also going to add an additional section head around curves. I think I have no I don't have an 01:49:18.372 --> 01:49:19.454 - example of that but 01:49:19.586 --> 01:49:24.763 - This is but oh I did I drew a little you can see my sketch there This is so when you know a tree is 01:49:24.763 --> 01:49:30.199 - blocking the signal you as you're approaching it from around a curb You can actually see what the signal 01:49:30.199 --> 01:49:35.583 - is showing whether it's green yellow red And you can see it farther in advance of the intersection than 01:49:35.583 --> 01:49:40.864 - you could otherwise New pedestrian push buttons. These are just some of the changes we're making that 01:49:40.864 --> 01:49:45.886 - you know are low-cost but great opportunities for safety improvements at these intersections and 01:49:46.306 --> 01:49:52.545 - Another thing we're doing that I think is really cool is this is a screenshot of Patterson and Rogers 01:49:52.545 --> 01:49:58.845 - and one thing that we've had a lot of success with is doing truck aprons to slow down Turning vehicles 01:49:58.845 --> 01:50:04.472 - as they're making a turn. So this is the intersection of two truck routes We have to have a 01:50:04.472 --> 01:50:11.017 - large intersection to accommodate those trucks. But what we're doing here is we're making it uncomfortable 01:50:11.017 --> 01:50:16.094 - for everyone else to whip around that corner at high speeds that causes safety and 01:50:16.450 --> 01:50:22.935 - concerns at the crosswalks, of course and We've had a lot of success with these. I think something unique 01:50:22.935 --> 01:50:29.176 - on this project. We're trying is kind of going a little farther with them and and putting the Putting 01:50:29.176 --> 01:50:35.295 - them on both sides of the crosswalk. We've typically just put them in between the two crosswalks so 01:50:35.295 --> 01:50:41.474 - this will be a an opportunity to try that out and see how it goes, but I'm really excited about this 01:50:41.474 --> 01:50:46.430 - This is just we're also doing this at the other intersection Allen and Patterson 01:50:46.690 --> 01:50:52.802 - But that's another example and then here I just kind of wanted to show this is pretty standard in Bloomington 01:50:52.802 --> 01:50:58.359 - at this point But you know when we're resurfacing a road that's very wide we look for opportunities 01:50:58.359 --> 01:51:04.137 - to narrow the lanes add more bicycle infrastructure So here's just an example of kind of that very long 01:51:04.137 --> 01:51:09.694 - section of Patterson where there's no cross streets We have we have space here to add bike lanes on 01:51:09.694 --> 01:51:14.750 - both sides and actually make them buffered so we're doing that on this roadway as well and 01:51:15.234 --> 01:51:21.802 - And then again, you know if we have room we have a lot of room on this road We're gonna try to find 01:51:21.802 --> 01:51:28.502 - some opportunities. So here Adding a refuge island to help improve crosswalks. This is at Madison and 01:51:28.502 --> 01:51:35.399 - Patterson I'm in McDowell Gardens there So that's you know, just an opportunity and again, none of these 01:51:35.399 --> 01:51:42.164 - require eliminating travel lanes Eliminating parking there. There's no, you know title 15 changes that 01:51:42.164 --> 01:51:45.054 - that we have to do we can just do these but 01:51:46.274 --> 01:51:52.282 - And I have one more we're actually this is Grimes near John's Bloomington Transit facility there we're 01:51:52.282 --> 01:51:58.174 - actually trying to Buffer the sidewalks a little bit better if you've ever walked along Grimes, this 01:51:58.174 --> 01:52:04.066 - is an extremely uncomfortable place to walk so we're trying to take advantage of the little space we 01:52:04.066 --> 01:52:09.958 - have in the roadway to actually just We only are using what we need for the vehicle travel lanes and 01:52:09.958 --> 01:52:15.966 - then we're trying to protect the sidewalks and the pedestrians a little bit better so you can see here 01:52:16.226 --> 01:52:21.798 - You know at switch yard park. We're pulling the sidewalk back where we don't have right away We're just 01:52:21.798 --> 01:52:27.530 - trying to push out the curb lines a little bit where we can So just another example of some of the changes 01:52:27.530 --> 01:52:33.424 - we're making But now I wanted to kind of focus in on two locations that you know These are some opportunities 01:52:33.424 --> 01:52:38.888 - for changes that might require some additional public engagement these would require title 15 changes 01:52:38.888 --> 01:52:44.514 - because they would require changes to parking and I kind of wanted to go over these with you in a little 01:52:44.514 --> 01:52:46.014 - bit more detail tonight and 01:52:46.594 --> 01:52:53.207 - So the first one this is Rogers between Patterson and Dodds and if you're familiar with McDowell Gardens 01:52:53.207 --> 01:52:59.820 - This is the location where there's parking on Rogers on the east side of the roadway So if you're headed 01:52:59.820 --> 01:53:06.119 - northbound, you're supposed to shift taper over to the left go around the parking spaces then taper 01:53:06.119 --> 01:53:12.480 - back and then we have that crossing Refuge Island crossing at Allen and then we have another section 01:53:12.480 --> 01:53:16.574 - of parking where you shift over go around and then shift back to 01:53:17.186 --> 01:53:24.137 - Often there's no one parked here. So vehicles are kind of just charging through in the in the right-hand 01:53:24.137 --> 01:53:31.286 - side through the parking lane And you know that that space In our observation has not been heavily utilized 01:53:31.286 --> 01:53:38.038 - So one low-hanging fruit here is to eliminate the parking from those two blocks and stripe bike lanes 01:53:38.038 --> 01:53:42.142 - on the roadway so here's an example of what it looks like and 01:53:43.266 --> 01:53:48.744 - Right now so you can see none of these cars are parked. They're just kind of traveling through the area 01:53:48.744 --> 01:53:54.222 - But someone could park there and vehicles would go around So this is kind of what we're showing at this 01:53:54.222 --> 01:53:59.595 - point as an improvement to this corridor It's not complete and full bike lanes, but the brakes in the 01:53:59.595 --> 01:54:04.915 - bike lanes are only For like the Refuge Island at Allen or right at the intersection There's a small 01:54:04.915 --> 01:54:10.814 - gap before the bike lane starts but otherwise we're able to get continuous bike lanes like I'm showing here and 01:54:10.946 --> 01:54:16.315 - Between our new protected bike lanes that are going in on second Street We currently have protected 01:54:16.315 --> 01:54:21.792 - bike lanes on Rogers between second and first we have painted bike lanes down to Dixie currently This 01:54:21.792 --> 01:54:27.268 - would kind of complete that gap with a couple of notable exceptions to the multi-use path that exists 01:54:27.268 --> 01:54:32.745 - on the west side of Rogers So as you know, I've kind of shown it here but our transportation plan has 01:54:32.745 --> 01:54:38.168 - this little chart in here and shows us what we're supposed to prioritize pedestrian cyclists transit 01:54:38.168 --> 01:54:39.134 - and then cars and 01:54:39.554 --> 01:54:46.287 - One thing that these bike lanes can do let me go back to the plans is also buffer the sidewalks better 01:54:46.287 --> 01:54:52.889 - So cars are farther away from the sidewalks and this provides a safer experience for pedestrians but 01:54:52.889 --> 01:54:59.426 - what in order to do this we're we're going to have to go through a 180-day order title 15 change to 01:54:59.426 --> 01:55:05.440 - eliminate parking on this block and What I'm going to do over the coming month is reach out 01:55:05.440 --> 01:55:08.382 - to the neighborhood set up a meeting and and 01:55:08.802 --> 01:55:14.497 - What their opinion is going to be on the topic? But this is just based on the guidance that we had in 01:55:14.497 --> 01:55:20.359 - our published plans and our goals as a city This seemed like the right thing to do here. So I'm bringing 01:55:20.359 --> 01:55:26.053 - it before you tonight I'll talk about the other location as well But ultimately if you all want me to 01:55:26.053 --> 01:55:31.636 - do the outreach and then come back and report what the public says I can do that if you all want to 01:55:31.636 --> 01:55:36.158 - you know support this as is knowing that we're going to do the outreach and just 01:55:36.354 --> 01:55:42.450 - Approve it tonight. You can do that or or whatever motion you you would like to make But I'll move on 01:55:42.450 --> 01:55:48.785 - to the other location now. So this one I think has come up quite a bit I lived a block from this location 01:55:48.785 --> 01:55:54.941 - for about six years This is how and Rogers and this is a greenway crossing. This is what it looks like 01:55:54.941 --> 01:56:01.156 - currently We receive a lot of requests for improved crossings here on the house Street direction Rogers 01:56:01.156 --> 01:56:05.758 - is a busy street. And so we're resurfacing the roadway and while we're at it 01:56:06.114 --> 01:56:12.536 - We have the opportunity to do something. So what I'm showing here are Refuge islands on both the south 01:56:12.536 --> 01:56:18.833 - and north sides of the intersection To help facilitate safer pedestrian crosses across Roger Street, 01:56:18.833 --> 01:56:25.254 - which is the busy street. This is an uncontrolled intersection So it's a little bit different than the 01:56:25.254 --> 01:56:31.614 - one we were talking about last petition Cars do not stop but this is one one option for improvements. 01:56:31.614 --> 01:56:35.230 - I think there's there's more that could be done you could 01:56:35.490 --> 01:56:41.401 - Block off similar to Allen and Rogers You could block off traffic from going through the intersection 01:56:41.401 --> 01:56:47.195 - at all and just only allow bicycles and not allow Left turns just right turns out of Howe Street We 01:56:47.195 --> 01:56:53.222 - felt like you know, just given the time constraints of this project. We would go ahead with this option 01:56:53.222 --> 01:56:59.422 - that improved safety but didn't have such a drastic change to the traffic patterns in the neighborhood and 01:56:59.522 --> 01:57:05.607 - However again, just like the other location I plan on going out to the neighborhood in the next month 01:57:05.607 --> 01:57:11.752 - and hearing what everyone has to say about this idea And so I'm hoping they'll be able to give me some 01:57:11.752 --> 01:57:18.314 - more feedback as to can we do more here? I think this is this is a great first step. It's a huge improvement. 01:57:18.314 --> 01:57:24.459 - There is the opportunity to do more I also kind of wanted to show and draw your attention to Smith and 01:57:24.459 --> 01:57:28.158 - prospect so Smith is just to the right on my drawing here and 01:57:28.450 --> 01:57:34.665 - Just to the north and then prospect is a little bit farther north. These are both streets They're they're 01:57:34.665 --> 01:57:40.939 - pretty small streets Smith is almost like an alley, but they are streets officially They are named streets 01:57:40.939 --> 01:57:46.862 - and what we're showing here bump outs We we could do more here. We could do Refuge Islands You know, 01:57:46.862 --> 01:57:52.725 - we could do the type of Refuge Island you see currently at House Street. We could do something more 01:57:52.725 --> 01:57:56.478 - but you know right now we were we were just trying to make it a 01:57:56.866 --> 01:58:03.096 - Safer without impacting the traffic flows the existing neighborhood. So this is another location where 01:58:03.096 --> 01:58:09.326 - I Really do want to get more feedback from the neighborhood. I will say we do have parking on the east 01:58:09.326 --> 01:58:15.677 - side of Roger Street in this location That's why it's being brought to you tonight the addition of these 01:58:15.677 --> 01:58:21.726 - two refuge islands at how Does eliminate a very small amount of the parking? however, most of it is 01:58:21.826 --> 01:58:27.942 - Maintained basically the the parking between Smith and third is all still maintained. So it's really 01:58:27.942 --> 01:58:33.997 - not eliminating very many spaces But again, we could eliminate parking all along here and do either 01:58:33.997 --> 01:58:40.174 - additional Refuge Island improvements or we could even do bicycle infrastructure if that was desired. 01:58:40.174 --> 01:58:46.471 - So My next step like I said is to go to the neighborhood and you know as I said before you have several 01:58:46.471 --> 01:58:51.134 - options on on how you want to go tonight, but I guess first I just wanted to 01:58:51.330 --> 01:59:00.279 - Bring this to your attention and and request your feedback and I think that's all I needed to go through 01:59:00.279 --> 01:59:09.569 - right now But I'm happy to answer any questions on this. Thank you Questions for the presenter Mr. Flaherty, 01:59:09.569 --> 01:59:18.348 - thank you. First question is just how this Interacts with the the Rogers Kinzer Madison corridor study 01:59:18.348 --> 01:59:20.734 - and in particular, you know 01:59:21.506 --> 01:59:27.776 - Are we closing doors on design options or things like that or increasing costs by? Putting some of these 01:59:27.776 --> 01:59:33.867 - things in now. Can you tell me more? Yeah. Yeah, that's a great question And you know when we started 01:59:33.867 --> 01:59:39.838 - we thought we were way ahead of it And then we thought we were gonna be way behind it and now we're 01:59:39.838 --> 01:59:45.869 - right right literally right in with it The consultant was here for a week last week But yes, so this 01:59:45.869 --> 01:59:51.422 - does have some impacts to what potentially could be done. I have tried I've coordinated with 01:59:51.522 --> 01:59:57.632 - Transportation planning I've tried to go with what seems to be the most likely Direction from that study 01:59:57.632 --> 02:00:03.626 - with these changes that we're showing. However, that still could change It is possible that doing bump 02:00:03.626 --> 02:00:09.445 - outs on Rogers for example could limit future bike infrastructure It could limit refuge islands and 02:00:09.445 --> 02:00:16.254 - when I say limit it just means that we'll have to remove the bump outs that we just put in and do something else and 02:00:16.578 --> 02:00:22.024 - Again, I don't know when that the actual construction will be happening from the study So the study 02:00:22.024 --> 02:00:28.014 - may happen we may not do anything for five to ten years that would not You know that would mean we definitely 02:00:28.014 --> 02:00:33.514 - still want to do something now if that makes sense But but yes, I think like on the southern portion 02:00:33.514 --> 02:00:39.123 - striping bike lanes That's not really restricting anything from happening by adding the refuge islands 02:00:39.123 --> 02:00:44.569 - adding the bump outs very well Because those are those are all curbed. Is that right like some type 02:00:44.569 --> 02:00:46.366 - of concrete? Yes, that's correct 02:00:47.810 --> 02:00:55.930 - Thank you. First of all, I used to live in that neighborhood, so I really appreciate all the ideas around 02:00:55.930 --> 02:01:03.591 - that. I used to walk there quite a bit. I'm just curious, can you refresh one more time? So Hope is 02:01:03.591 --> 02:01:11.558 - quite more narrow than Rogers. Do you propose to have refuge islands in there, too? Did I get it right? 02:01:11.558 --> 02:01:17.150 - Or on the Huff Street? Are you planning to have any refuge islands, too? 02:01:17.442 --> 02:01:25.447 - I didn't get it right I'm sorry. Am I planning on getting Yes, so did you propose to have refuge islands 02:01:25.447 --> 02:01:33.223 - anywhere else or just on the Roger Street? Yeah, so we are proposing two on Roger Street and then one 02:01:33.223 --> 02:01:39.550 - on Patterson Street as well So I believe on this project. There's a total of three 02:01:48.226 --> 02:01:58.830 - Other questions? Okay. The staff recommendation here is that the transportation commission adopt the 02:01:58.830 --> 02:02:09.435 - proposed findings, which you can find on pages 29 and 30 of your packet and forward the petition for 02:02:09.435 --> 02:02:16.574 - a title 15 amendments with a positive recommendation. Ms. Flaherty. 02:02:17.314 --> 02:02:22.780 - I'm happy to vote in support of the proposed findings tonight, but just one thing that did occur to 02:02:22.780 --> 02:02:28.354 - me is In terms of sequencing maybe ideally like the neighborhood conversations would happen before it 02:02:28.354 --> 02:02:34.039 - comes to us in the future that definitely goes to the fourth finding around adequately conducted public 02:02:34.039 --> 02:02:39.832 - engagement and considered, you know a community-centric design Again, I don't think it's a it's a blocker 02:02:39.832 --> 02:02:43.166 - for me tonight, but just a note for the future. Maybe thanks 02:02:48.994 --> 02:02:55.204 - Just I think clarification the process to you mentioned that you will be reaching out to the to people 02:02:55.204 --> 02:03:01.595 - to people living in there, right? So that's like part of the plan or we have to choose whether we proceed 02:03:01.595 --> 02:03:07.987 - with the recommendations or you can reach out and then we'll be deciding Yeah, I think the recommendation 02:03:07.987 --> 02:03:14.257 - is that you approve it and we will proceed with Talking to the neighborhood and if if there's a change, 02:03:14.257 --> 02:03:17.694 - I'll come back to you and just respond to mr. Flaherty I 02:03:18.114 --> 02:03:24.078 - This is kind of a unique situation where I certainly would have wanted to do the outreach But like we're 02:03:24.078 --> 02:03:30.155 - out to bid right now because we have to follow these state timelines So this is kind of a unique situation 02:03:30.155 --> 02:03:35.949 - definitely not intentional. I don't plan on repeating it and Just to clarify part of what's going on. 02:03:35.949 --> 02:03:41.685 - There's a season to do these changes. So a month delay Means it's meaningful. You're right. I wanted 02:03:41.685 --> 02:03:45.150 - to get it in front of you now so we could yeah. Yeah exactly 02:03:47.810 --> 02:03:53.706 - I guess one other reflection and just a question about the flexibility. You mentioned the potential 02:03:53.706 --> 02:03:59.720 - to adjust things based on community feedback, neighborhood feedback. I've lived on or more or less on 02:03:59.720 --> 02:04:05.734 - House Street for 15 years and used this intersection a lot in just the whole neighborhood. All of the 02:04:05.734 --> 02:04:11.630 - crossings on Rogers between 3rd and 2nd are difficult. The sight lines are limited because of hills 02:04:11.630 --> 02:04:15.934 - and people drive pretty fast because similar to further south on Rogers, 02:04:16.866 --> 02:04:25.361 - It's not very parked, so it leads to folks going faster. And I also know that we don't have a neighborhood 02:04:25.361 --> 02:04:33.617 - parking permit in Prospect Hill at all. We just don't really have serious parking issues. And so losing 02:04:33.617 --> 02:04:41.556 - parking on Rogers between second and third is really not a concern to me from a policy perspective. 02:04:41.556 --> 02:04:46.558 - And I do wonder about pedestrian refuge islands as a treatment 02:04:46.818 --> 02:04:52.806 - You mentioned mr. Kenoki on you know, a couple of those other streets like prospect or Smith Which also 02:04:52.806 --> 02:04:58.679 - have traffic calming benefits. And so we're navigating trade-offs here right with bike infrastructure 02:04:58.679 --> 02:05:04.495 - bumpouts Refuge islands is their flexibility to consider or adjust to refuge islands in those places 02:05:04.495 --> 02:05:10.368 - if you all think that's warranted after engaging the community more or you know, we progress a little 02:05:10.368 --> 02:05:15.262 - further on the Roger Kinzer Madison study or are we locked in from what was here and 02:05:16.002 --> 02:05:23.059 - No, there's flexibility. We're not locked in. We're trying to proceed with our best guess We'll have 02:05:23.059 --> 02:05:30.535 - to go through a change order process with a contractor But ultimately we want to put in what the community 02:05:30.535 --> 02:05:37.732 - wants and what's the absolute best? So yes, we can change and we will if we need to okay. Well, thanks 02:05:37.732 --> 02:05:41.854 - for considering those options Further comments or a motion 02:05:46.050 --> 02:05:55.340 - I move we recommend the Sorry, I move we adopt the proposed findings and forward this petition for title 02:05:55.340 --> 02:06:04.807 - 15 amendments with positive recommendation Is there a second? I'll second it. Thank you We'll call please. 02:06:04.807 --> 02:06:13.654 - I'm so sorry This is open for public comment. Oh Sorry, would members of the public like to comment 02:06:13.654 --> 02:06:15.070 - on this? Online 02:06:19.874 --> 02:06:34.886 - None we'll come back to the vote. I Think we're voting the roll call Jimmy Yes Flaherty, yes Scottish 02:06:34.886 --> 02:06:46.366 - go. Yes Strasburg. Yes Coppock. Yes, Connell. Yes Motion passes. Thank you. I 02:06:47.522 --> 02:06:54.900 - Agenda which is TCP 2608 infrastructure improvement for power line trail Mr. Seabor will you be presenting? 02:06:54.900 --> 02:07:01.800 - Actually, I'm gonna have director Street is joining us remotely today to present and just wanting to 02:07:01.800 --> 02:07:08.973 - appreciate that This meeting is supported by a number of departments. We've got engineering and planning 02:07:08.973 --> 02:07:14.302 - present public works was here we have our parks director and we actually also 02:07:14.530 --> 02:07:20.620 - Remotely had our deputy police chief present as well in case there were questions Earlier but just wanting 02:07:20.620 --> 02:07:26.482 - to appreciate that and I'm going to hand it over to director Street Yes, thank you Andrew, can you all 02:07:26.482 --> 02:07:32.345 - hear me? Okay? Yes Excellent. Sorry. I was having some audio issues on my computer. So I had to switch 02:07:32.345 --> 02:07:38.264 - to my phone. I don't know what's going on Tim Street director of parks and recreation I am here tonight 02:07:38.264 --> 02:07:44.126 - to tell you a little bit about the power line trail that has been in the works for quite some time and 02:07:44.290 --> 02:07:50.632 - This is my first time getting to be here with this commission in its current form. So good to be here 02:07:50.632 --> 02:07:57.099 - with you and thank you for the time. The power line trail is, we are very excited to build this summer. 02:07:57.099 --> 02:08:03.504 - This is a concept that has been around for a couple of decades, I think, as an idea of, hey, we should 02:08:03.504 --> 02:08:09.909 - take something underneath these power lines and take advantage of the corridor that can't be built and 02:08:09.909 --> 02:08:11.774 - put a trail in this corridor. 02:08:12.034 --> 02:08:19.718 - So when I joined the city at the start of 2021 as Parks Operations Director, this project had been about 02:08:19.718 --> 02:08:27.476 - 30% designed and was stalled there. This is a project that was authorized in the 2018 Bicentennial Bonds, 02:08:27.476 --> 02:08:34.868 - so it has taken a while to get around to successful construction of it, but I'm very pleased that we 02:08:34.868 --> 02:08:36.478 - are closing in on it. 02:08:36.802 --> 02:08:43.221 - It was stuck at 30% in 2021 because there was a long delay in reaching agreement with the county 02:08:43.221 --> 02:08:50.036 - commissioners and with Duke Energy on getting all the necessary and appropriate permissions sorted out 02:08:50.036 --> 02:08:56.918 - to be able to build a trail under the power lines. In part because one, we needed to secure an easement 02:08:56.918 --> 02:08:59.102 - from the county. The county owns 02:08:59.298 --> 02:09:06.209 - the actual property that the Duke power line easement runs through. The power line easement itself is 02:09:06.209 --> 02:09:12.985 - very old. I think it dates back to the 1940s. So these power lines have been in this corridor for a 02:09:12.985 --> 02:09:20.031 - long time. But that said, it presents a wonderful opportunity for us to build a rare east-west oriented 02:09:20.031 --> 02:09:27.417 - pedestrian multi-use trail, 12 feet wide, typical specs, all of that. And as I continue just my storytelling 02:09:27.417 --> 02:09:29.246 - and how we got here today, 02:09:30.082 --> 02:09:36.129 - Even after we were securing the easement from the county commissioners, which took a little while, we 02:09:36.129 --> 02:09:42.649 - found out that Duke had their major reliability infrastructure project, which was doing some major relocation 02:09:42.649 --> 02:09:48.577 - of transmission poles and distribution poles back in this area and a revamp of the substation there 02:09:48.577 --> 02:09:54.565 - on South Roger Street, which is at the east end of the map that you're looking at here. So we had to 02:09:54.565 --> 02:09:59.070 - wait for Duke Engineering to work through the placement of all their poles. 02:09:59.490 --> 02:10:05.570 - you know, get final details to us before we could really advance this design to 100 percent. That was 02:10:05.570 --> 02:10:11.650 - about a year and a half, two years ago that we were getting that info from Duke. Duke was wrapping up 02:10:11.650 --> 02:10:17.671 - their reliability project and we were able to go back to Aztec design and sort of restart the design 02:10:17.671 --> 02:10:23.811 - of the project. I'll tell you a little bit about what it includes overall. Overall, it's approximately 02:10:23.811 --> 02:10:25.182 - nine-tenths of a mile. 02:10:25.346 --> 02:10:31.839 - It picks up at the east side at the right of way of Roger Street coming off the west side of Roger Street 02:10:31.839 --> 02:10:37.964 - where there will be a small trailhead with a bike rack and a map things like that. That is actually 02:10:37.964 --> 02:10:44.150 - the only place in the whole corridor because of the power line restrictions from Duke that we signed 02:10:44.150 --> 02:10:48.254 - and agreed to that we can put any kind of vertical infrastructure. 02:10:48.386 --> 02:10:55.831 - So we can't put any trees, we can't put any benches, we can't put any lights in there, and we really 02:10:55.831 --> 02:11:03.349 - can't change grades too significantly. We can lower grades, generally speaking, but we can't increase 02:11:03.349 --> 02:11:10.942 - grades. Let's see. So 12 foot wide multi-site use trail, starting at the east side with the trailhead, 02:11:10.942 --> 02:11:13.374 - it kind of winds its way through 02:11:13.602 --> 02:11:20.928 - the large power lines there just south of the Duke substation before it opens up to the west. It's actually 02:11:20.928 --> 02:11:27.711 - quite beautiful out there. It's a lovely wildlife corridor. It will connect to Habitat for Humanity 02:11:27.711 --> 02:11:34.629 - via the northeast corner of RCA Park. So when Osage neighborhood was built, they built a connector to 02:11:34.629 --> 02:11:40.734 - the east side RCA trail there, which in turn will now connect up to the power line trail. 02:11:40.898 --> 02:11:47.756 - So there will be good access for that neighborhood. Countryside neighborhood, all of those neighborhoods 02:11:47.756 --> 02:11:54.484 - to the south can connect through the park in a few different ways and places and get up to this trail, 02:11:54.484 --> 02:12:01.015 - which in turn can get you to the beat line. On the east side, there will be a raised concrete table 02:12:01.015 --> 02:12:04.542 - crossing of Roger Street with rapid flashing beacons. 02:12:04.770 --> 02:12:10.953 - that we've gone through and worked quite extensively with Neil and with Kendall and the engineering 02:12:10.953 --> 02:12:17.321 - department what the best options for putting in that table crossing were and the best place to put it. 02:12:17.321 --> 02:12:23.565 - We settled on it's going to be placed directly north of the Switchyard entrance because that's where 02:12:23.565 --> 02:12:29.810 - the main sidewalk coming into Switchyard is. So that way you have to cross Rogers but you don't also 02:12:29.810 --> 02:12:34.014 - have to cross the double lane entrance into Switchyard Park because 02:12:34.370 --> 02:12:40.162 - If you're not familiar, as you come into the south side, or as you come into Switchyard Park on the 02:12:40.162 --> 02:12:45.954 - south side, there's a maintenance fence and a maintenance yard, and there is not a path or sidewalk 02:12:45.954 --> 02:12:51.804 - on that side. Continuing west, I said nine tenths of a mile. Basically, the western terminus of what 02:12:51.804 --> 02:12:57.770 - you see on this map is approximately where the future Adams Street will exist. And we have also talked 02:12:57.770 --> 02:13:03.678 - with planning and transportation via Jackie and some others who have worked on the summit development 02:13:03.938 --> 02:13:10.320 - to include some plans for this to pick up if and as that develops out in the future and continue to 02:13:10.320 --> 02:13:17.085 - the West. So points of interest to the West, certainly one, you know, a connection to Adams Street itself 02:13:17.085 --> 02:13:23.659 - would be great if Adams Street goes through. Currently, this trail at the Western end is going to kind 02:13:23.659 --> 02:13:28.318 - of end with a little asphalt roundabout so that you can turn around. But 02:13:28.610 --> 02:13:35.343 - There are plans to connect it through. There is a currently parks operated piece of disparate trail 02:13:35.343 --> 02:13:42.346 - near the element at the mill development, just along breaking away, which is north of the Woolery Mill. 02:13:42.346 --> 02:13:49.551 - And there exist future options via Weimar Vanguard to continue to explore with planning and transportation 02:13:49.551 --> 02:13:52.446 - what might happen if Weimar ever realigns. 02:13:52.642 --> 02:13:58.767 - future ways to connect and potentially make a loop with the Clear Creek Trail and the Beeline and the 02:13:58.767 --> 02:14:04.773 - Rail Trail. So very exciting opportunities. I think overall this can serve as a great collector for 02:14:04.773 --> 02:14:10.898 - the artery that is the Beeline in terms of getting people from this western area either from existing 02:14:10.898 --> 02:14:16.964 - neighborhoods or from from new neighborhoods that may come and providing a safe and great way to get 02:14:16.964 --> 02:14:19.486 - connected to the park and to the Beeline. 02:14:19.842 --> 02:14:27.037 - Last feature of this is we were looking at this and because we cannot put any kind of lights back here, 02:14:27.037 --> 02:14:34.163 - we have decided to put in a glow rock. So they make an aggregate that you could just sprinkle into the 02:14:34.163 --> 02:14:41.081 - top coat of asphalt that has a glow rating and is safe and all those things. We've looked into this 02:14:41.081 --> 02:14:48.069 - quite extensively. So that will provide some illumination on this trail at night and also is sort of 02:14:48.069 --> 02:14:48.830 - just a fun 02:14:50.082 --> 02:14:56.413 - Fun nod to the fact that this is Powerline Trail. We ended up, we debated names. We thought, let's just 02:14:56.413 --> 02:15:02.621 - call it what it is, Powerline Trail. It'll have a lot of familiarity for people to understand it. And 02:15:02.621 --> 02:15:08.769 - this will become part of our multi-use trail network that Parks manages. I think those are the facts 02:15:08.769 --> 02:15:14.917 - of it. Obviously, this is an interesting one with the transportation commission getting established. 02:15:14.917 --> 02:15:16.926 - This project's pretty far along. 02:15:17.122 --> 02:15:23.897 - But in talking to Andrew, we wanted to make a point to bring this to you and talk with you. We anticipate 02:15:23.897 --> 02:15:30.800 - construction. We're going to probably do a pre-construction meeting here very soon and work on construction 02:15:30.800 --> 02:15:37.320 - this summer and coordinate with engineering in particular any work that happens along or would affect 02:15:37.320 --> 02:15:43.775 - that Roger Street corridor. That said, I am happy to go over any details or answer questions as best 02:15:43.775 --> 02:15:44.926 - I can. Thank you. 02:15:45.698 --> 02:15:53.115 - comments or questions from the commission. Mr. Drumming. The diagram that was just on the screen, 02:15:53.115 --> 02:16:00.758 - RCA park. Um, are those, are those mountain bike trails in RCA park or are you allowed to ride bikes 02:16:00.758 --> 02:16:08.705 - on those trails that are delineated? Uh, they are just hiking trails. Okay. Yep. But, uh, well, I should 02:16:08.705 --> 02:16:14.078 - delineate. Uh, so the, the loop around the Eastern part of RCA park is 02:16:14.210 --> 02:16:20.200 - Paved so there is a paved approximate mile loop around the eastern part north and south of the parking 02:16:20.200 --> 02:16:26.015 - in the pickleball and the athletic fields there That's multi-use but where you see it West which is 02:16:26.015 --> 02:16:31.830 - not being distinguished on this map, which are just the trails in the woods Those are hiking trails 02:16:31.830 --> 02:16:37.645 - Yeah, my understanding was the worst of trails you were allowed to mount bike on it's like And so I 02:16:37.645 --> 02:16:43.518 - just might was there any and I missed a little bit your presentation to step out for a moment But is 02:16:43.518 --> 02:16:44.158 - there any? 02:16:44.386 --> 02:16:55.136 - The only infrastructure of powerline will be paved right? There's no mountain biking component Correct. 02:16:55.136 --> 02:17:05.989 - Yeah, and currently there is no mountain biking component to RCA Park either that is all at behind Thank 02:17:05.989 --> 02:17:13.534 - you your Comments from other commissioners Yeah, I've explored that bike 02:17:13.634 --> 02:17:21.776 - that area by bike and I think this will be a great addition to Bloomington and the the glow feature 02:17:21.776 --> 02:17:29.999 - will be will fund we'll just assume that the power line and electricity is Is making the rocks glow? 02:17:29.999 --> 02:17:38.141 - That's right Other comments before we move from the Commission before we move to public comment All 02:17:38.141 --> 02:17:41.886 - right, we'll take some public comment now and 02:17:44.258 --> 02:17:56.048 - Sign in, state your name. My name's Jim Schrader with the Bloomington Bicycle Club. I actually talked 02:17:56.048 --> 02:18:07.954 - with the planning director 15 to 17 years ago about power line trails, so I'm real excited about that. 02:18:07.954 --> 02:18:11.422 - I would assume that this will 02:18:12.226 --> 02:18:22.481 - Hook up with the Wapahane Mountain Bike Park Is that correct No from Tim I'm sorry not being familiar 02:18:22.481 --> 02:18:33.340 - with this commission. I don't know if you would like me to you may respond Go ahead and answer the question 02:18:33.340 --> 02:18:40.478 - about he's asking will it connect with Wapahane Mountain Bike Trail? I 02:18:41.506 --> 02:18:49.469 - Absolutely, yeah. So currently, with what we are building right now, it will not. But that is certainly 02:18:49.469 --> 02:18:57.203 - on our radar long term. And we have talked about, through Jackie and Ryan and others in planning, as 02:18:57.203 --> 02:19:04.860 - Summit develops through trails and paths through there, there will be additional connection options 02:19:04.860 --> 02:19:10.526 - to the west. OK. And then also on the RCA park, there was a mountain bike 02:19:11.202 --> 02:19:22.437 - a trail developed by Eagle Scout about five to 10 years ago. So I assume that is official. I am not 02:19:22.437 --> 02:19:33.896 - familiar with that or currently with any mountain biking trails in Marciate Park. I'll invite you out 02:19:33.896 --> 02:19:40.862 - there sometime. Sure. Seeing no one else in council chambers. 02:19:41.890 --> 02:19:48.875 - Is there anyone online? Yes, I have Jeff McKim Jeff McKim you have three minutes. Thank you Yes, thank 02:19:48.875 --> 02:19:55.927 - you very much I just wanted to commend Tim and everyone in Belleville everyone else involved for moving 02:19:55.927 --> 02:20:03.183 - this project forward I really think this is the most exciting Bloomington trails project since the beeline 02:20:03.183 --> 02:20:09.150 - and it serves a major unmet need as far as East West active transportation goes as well 02:20:09.378 --> 02:20:16.877 - This trail I think is going to become even more useful and well used as a summit project builds out 02:20:16.877 --> 02:20:24.526 - as Tim mentioned. And so I just wanted to say thanks for the presentation and I can't wait to see the 02:20:24.526 --> 02:20:32.475 - trail open. Thank you. Anyone else online? If not, we'll come back to comments from our commission again, 02:20:32.475 --> 02:20:35.550 - or we can look for a motion. Mr. Drummy. 02:20:36.674 --> 02:20:43.590 - Tim, I think you mentioned it, but I didn't quite understand. Is the idea that once Summit is developed, 02:20:43.590 --> 02:20:50.440 - the trail will be extended by the developer or somebody, or is that yet to be determined? I would defer 02:20:50.440 --> 02:20:57.356 - probably to Ryan. He might be able to better answer a question about phasing of that. But what we looked 02:20:57.356 --> 02:21:03.942 - at when they were working on the development documents for Summit and everything was connecting the 02:21:03.942 --> 02:21:05.918 - west end of the current trail 02:21:06.178 --> 02:21:12.577 - where it will end at the future Adam Street with a little kind of asphalt roundabout right now. And 02:21:12.577 --> 02:21:19.104 - continuing that over to connect with the north end of a trail that was built through triggers for the 02:21:19.104 --> 02:21:25.695 - element at the mill development. So that development is just to the north and a little bit east of the 02:21:25.695 --> 02:21:32.158 - Woolery Mill. So that would bring the total length of actual trail to the north end of Woolery Mill. 02:21:32.482 --> 02:21:38.603 - from which point there are some interesting options. You know, I know one of the things that's been 02:21:38.603 --> 02:21:44.725 - around for a long time is this, you know, idea of Weimar realigning, which is development triggered 02:21:44.725 --> 02:21:51.152 - and everything, potentially Weimar becoming a multi-use trail. So we would, we would basically get trail 02:21:51.152 --> 02:21:56.478 - all the way to the north end of Woolery Mill. But also through Summit, there were also 02:21:56.674 --> 02:22:07.547 - you know, paths along the roads and different connectors and things like that, that could also be used 02:22:07.547 --> 02:22:18.103 - to facilitate safe connection over all the way to Wema Road and potentially to Wapahane. Thank you. 02:22:18.103 --> 02:22:26.654 - Other commission comment? If not, we'll move, we'll look for a motion. I move we 02:22:26.786 --> 02:22:39.856 - Adopt the proposed findings and approve the power line trail project plan. Is there a second? second 02:22:39.856 --> 02:22:53.445 - Roll call vote, please Copic Yes, Connell. Yes, drummy. Yes, Flaherty. Yes, Scott ishko. Yes, Strasburg. 02:22:53.445 --> 02:22:55.774 - Yes Motion passes 02:22:56.354 --> 02:23:04.156 - Thank you. Thank you all very much. Yep. The next item on our agenda is commission schedule 02:23:04.156 --> 02:23:12.636 - change cancellation of August, 2026 meeting. I don't know if we need a presentation about that. Uh, 02:23:12.636 --> 02:23:21.455 - this is Iris bowl, um, presenting, uh, I don't have a presentation to be honest. Um, this is, um, about 02:23:21.455 --> 02:23:25.950 - as cut and dry as it's going to get around here. Um, 02:23:26.114 --> 02:23:33.064 - I'll just provide a quick summary of the report I included in the packet that being four reasons we 02:23:33.064 --> 02:23:40.013 - have a scheduling conflict with budget hearings whether it's direct or indirect staff are concerned 02:23:40.013 --> 02:23:47.032 - about the coincidence of having a Transportation Commission meeting in the same very close proximity 02:23:47.032 --> 02:23:53.982 - of the budget hearings and Staff have recommend that we cancel the meeting scheduled for August and 02:23:54.466 --> 02:24:07.430 - but I did want to observe that Technically it may be rescheduled for August 31st if that is your prerogative 02:24:07.430 --> 02:24:19.323 - Okay We'll just make this fast I'll go ahead and any comment or go ahead and put forward a motion I 02:24:19.323 --> 02:24:23.486 - Move we cancel the August 24th and 02:24:24.258 --> 02:24:31.609 - Meeting of the Transportation Commission Great Great who was the second on that one? Okay. I think we 02:24:31.609 --> 02:24:38.888 - all wanted to be A second can we do this by a voice vote? Do we need a roll call? Just a note on the 02:24:38.888 --> 02:24:46.312 - motion. I didn't motion degree I didn't move to reschedule But I suppose we could always consider that 02:24:46.312 --> 02:24:52.798 - at a closer date if we're having trouble with the queue of things always possible. Yes, I 02:24:55.074 --> 02:25:04.436 - Okay, we are ready to vote on this meeting cancellation This one sorry to interrupt this one can be 02:25:04.436 --> 02:25:13.798 - a voice vote. Okay, great. Let's do it all in favor Any opposed Motion carries Great that concludes 02:25:13.798 --> 02:25:24.190 - the cases portion of our agenda. We now move on to discussions of topics not on the docket. Are there any such 02:25:25.122 --> 02:25:33.130 - items from commissioners Mr. Flaherty, yeah, I have to They're both relatively brief one is a follow-up 02:25:33.130 --> 02:25:41.522 - from the item. I had last month, which was about if commissioners had perspectives on whether City residency 02:25:41.522 --> 02:25:49.222 - should be a requirement to serve on the Commission or whether we might want to have flexibility for 02:25:49.222 --> 02:25:53.534 - at least one member I think the conversation we had was 02:25:53.890 --> 02:26:00.256 - Yeah, maybe not needed. We're not strongly opposed but but not warranted at this time I was then reminded 02:26:00.256 --> 02:26:06.322 - by my colleague councilmember Piedmont Smith that the particular context of that inquiry was because 02:26:06.322 --> 02:26:12.328 - one of the appointments gives preference to Board members employees or other formal volunteers with 02:26:12.328 --> 02:26:18.574 - Monroe County Community School Corporation and we had difficulty finding somebody to fit that need it's 02:26:18.574 --> 02:26:22.718 - not a requirement. That's just a preference for one of the seats and 02:26:23.074 --> 02:26:29.313 - but the idea was essentially should we be looking to, when you constrain these seats, they get harder 02:26:29.313 --> 02:26:35.797 - to fill, and so should we be looking to loosen a constraint on one of the constrained seats, so to speak, 02:26:35.797 --> 02:26:41.914 - to counterbalance that, and we could maybe just invite any brief comments on that, and I can report 02:26:41.914 --> 02:26:48.214 - back to the council committee, but I did wanna follow up, so thank you, that's the first of two items. 02:26:48.214 --> 02:26:50.110 - Any feedback for Mr. Flaherty? 02:26:51.586 --> 02:26:58.332 - I'll add that tonight is a case in point We had a very important meeting a lot of people showed up from 02:26:58.332 --> 02:27:04.949 - the public and we had barely a quorum So we do have a challenge having enough people here I'd receive 02:27:04.949 --> 02:27:11.501 - feedback from councilmember Stasberg about The importance of bringing someone from the school system 02:27:11.501 --> 02:27:17.988 - perhaps from the transportation department of the school system There are several schools along the 02:27:17.988 --> 02:27:19.934 - Roger Madison Kinzer corridor 02:27:20.226 --> 02:27:27.842 - I think it would be a valuable perspective to have on this commission. Also, we have more and more e-bike 02:27:27.842 --> 02:27:35.099 - commuters. We have good connectivity with Ellisville. I've known an e-bike commuter from there. So I 02:27:35.099 --> 02:27:42.572 - would definitely be open to that perspective, both to solve the practical problem of filling our seats, 02:27:42.572 --> 02:27:49.470 - but also to either include extra voices related to the school system, which is a county agency, 02:27:49.762 --> 02:27:57.562 - or from e-bike folks who are commuting from outside city limits. Thank you. I'll just support that in 02:27:57.562 --> 02:28:05.361 - general. I mean, I think bringing different perspectives which are like relevant to the conversations 02:28:05.361 --> 02:28:11.326 - we have in here, I think it's something we should be trying to achieve. Yeah. 02:28:14.626 --> 02:28:21.012 - Thank you all if anybody else has additional thoughts feel free to email me I will get back to the council 02:28:21.012 --> 02:28:27.339 - committee that would involve a city code change. They're considering A future ordinance to make a variety 02:28:27.339 --> 02:28:33.308 - of board and commission related changes Second item was if you're not familiar the City Council has 02:28:33.308 --> 02:28:39.396 - Most months a deliberation session, which is not the formal regular session of the council to vote on 02:28:39.396 --> 02:28:44.350 - legislation But rather more of a generative policy development type of meeting and 02:28:44.898 --> 02:28:51.686 - I requested and will be leading on April 15th, Wednesday, April 15th, a deliberation session on the 02:28:51.686 --> 02:28:58.474 - particular challenge of pedestrian safety and accessibility in the wake of snow events. We had some 02:28:58.474 --> 02:29:05.601 - real serious challenges this year. Obviously, we had a pretty big snow event or two. That's not entirely 02:29:05.601 --> 02:29:09.470 - unique to us. We've had these challenges for many years. 02:29:10.210 --> 02:29:16.538 - There aren't a lot of easy fixes, but there probably are some ways to improve and so the goal is to 02:29:16.538 --> 02:29:23.308 - Ideate with some relevant stakeholders city council members. I'll be inviting I have invited and confirmed 02:29:23.308 --> 02:29:29.826 - attendance from I think four or five of the relevant departments either engineering or planning Public 02:29:29.826 --> 02:29:36.723 - works parks, which actually has responsibilities here to and hand which controls the citations for violation 02:29:36.723 --> 02:29:38.558 - of not clearing the sidewalk 02:29:38.946 --> 02:29:44.395 - and then I thought it would be nice to have a Representative of the Transportation Commission join as 02:29:44.395 --> 02:29:49.952 - well. I plan to also reject the Council for community accessibility I know we have one member from from 02:29:49.952 --> 02:29:55.508 - that council so that could be the the Commission president or it could be another member who volunteers 02:29:55.508 --> 02:30:00.957 - and we You know if there's no one else to step up So I wanted you to be aware of it at the very least 02:30:00.957 --> 02:30:06.300 - and wanted to invite Participation in that session. They usually that's about two hours. So 630 day 02:30:06.300 --> 02:30:07.742 - 30 on Wednesday April 15th 02:30:08.770 --> 02:30:14.837 - And finally, sorry, if you have particular ideas or thoughts or questions that you want explored in 02:30:14.837 --> 02:30:20.964 - that session, I would also be happy to receive those. So please feel free to email me or talk to me. 02:30:20.964 --> 02:30:27.152 - So council members can follow up with you directly if they're interested. Yes, though I was hoping we 02:30:27.152 --> 02:30:33.400 - might identify a person to join if it's the will of the commission. Just a question, can it be removed 02:30:33.400 --> 02:30:35.038 - or it has to be in person? 02:30:35.778 --> 02:30:46.002 - I would encourage in person. Those sessions tend to be kind of at a round table type of setting, and 02:30:46.002 --> 02:30:56.732 - it's a little bit trickier with remote. Anyone interested? I can hound. I'll be traveling, unfortunately, 02:30:56.732 --> 02:31:04.830 - that's why. So I think it's your turn. OK. Does that work for folks? All right. 02:31:05.634 --> 02:31:11.666 - Thank you. That's all I had Sorry, just a small question. So this such session happens regularly too, 02:31:11.666 --> 02:31:17.639 - right? Yes, and probably eight months of the year or something. We have a deliberation session. Yes, 02:31:17.639 --> 02:31:23.611 - and it's possible to participate in this later if there will be an option to Yeah, they're on a very 02:31:23.611 --> 02:31:28.638 - wide range of topics and we have someone public safety coming up after that there is 02:31:28.738 --> 02:31:36.758 - Almost always public comment available. Sometimes the sessions are designed in ways that are more about 02:31:36.758 --> 02:31:44.702 - public engagement explicitly So we had some housing and zoning sessions last year that were more about 02:31:44.702 --> 02:31:52.645 - Community input and an idea gathering. So yeah, you can keep an eye on those on the council's Calendar 02:31:52.645 --> 02:31:57.118 - and agendas. Thanks Items from commissioners Mr. Drummond 02:31:57.570 --> 02:32:03.968 - I have an item to raise. I have an issue that I'd like to bring before the commission. I'm not planning 02:32:03.968 --> 02:32:10.304 - to bring it before this evening. But I wanted to do it the right way and look at it as a member of the 02:32:10.304 --> 02:32:16.455 - public. And I'll be honest, I didn't spend a ton of time trying to figure it out, but I wasn't able 02:32:16.455 --> 02:32:22.606 - to figure it out. And maybe Ryan can help. What is the proper, if I were not a member, I understand 02:32:22.606 --> 02:32:26.974 - as a member of the commission, I understand how I could set up a case. 02:32:27.522 --> 02:32:33.740 - But if I was not a member of the Commission, how would I what would be the what is the proper process 02:32:33.740 --> 02:32:39.897 - to bring an issue in front of the Commission? Great question. There is a couple of different options 02:32:39.897 --> 02:32:46.116 - The easiest is there is on the Transportation Commission website on the city of Bloomington's website 02:32:46.116 --> 02:32:52.212 - There is a form that you can complete you just write your name email address and what you'd like to 02:32:52.212 --> 02:32:57.150 - have included number of members of the public had that the Smith and Morningside 02:32:57.410 --> 02:33:04.073 - Comments included that way this evening. You can also just email Andrew Seabor Iris bull or myself or 02:33:04.073 --> 02:33:10.604 - the Transportation Commission email address, please. Yes that actually you could email any of those 02:33:10.604 --> 02:33:17.463 - three people but then there's also the Transportation Commission email which is It's just transportation 02:33:17.463 --> 02:33:24.125 - commission at Bloomington die and duck of I Well, and I saw the I was able to see the I was competent 02:33:24.125 --> 02:33:27.326 - enough to see the email opportunity But is that? 02:33:27.426 --> 02:33:33.038 - that Does that count as I mean if I email that email address and say hey what? What's the bus schedule 02:33:33.038 --> 02:33:38.486 - for tomorrow on this route? Does that create a you know? I mean like is it is it you guys are gonna 02:33:38.486 --> 02:33:43.989 - reach out to the person that emails that and say would you like to bring a case to the Commission or 02:33:43.989 --> 02:33:49.982 - do you just want to know that we're gonna fix the pile for your house, you know, it means that make sense and 02:33:51.362 --> 02:33:58.099 - If you're submitting for a pothole, I would encourage you to use you report I understand that but not 02:33:58.099 --> 02:34:04.769 - everybody knows that yeah. Yeah. No, we would respond The same way for either if you send that to me 02:34:04.769 --> 02:34:11.638 - directly. I will also help you submit your your report. So Yeah, we keep will absolutely figure it out. 02:34:11.638 --> 02:34:18.374 - It doesn't just sit in an inbox with no response Do we need to do something more affirmatively to let 02:34:18.374 --> 02:34:21.214 - the public know? That this body is here to 02:34:21.890 --> 02:34:28.985 - issues like we heard this evening and To give them instructions to figure out how to submit those issues 02:34:28.985 --> 02:34:35.743 - That's a that's a maybe rhetorical question or a question for the Commission, but that's that's all 02:34:35.743 --> 02:34:42.703 - I have I Would like to observe as well that in the packet the very last page of the packet is actually 02:34:42.703 --> 02:34:46.014 - a public comment from someone offering something 02:34:46.370 --> 02:34:52.006 - An item that was not on the docket This was the first time and all of the public comments that we've 02:34:52.006 --> 02:34:57.587 - received where it was for something not already on the docket This is something that if a member of 02:34:57.587 --> 02:35:03.168 - the Commission was interested in taking up they could continue to dialogue with staff Because staff 02:35:03.168 --> 02:35:09.083 - have access and commissioners have access to a special tracking form right where we're gathering interest 02:35:09.083 --> 02:35:10.590 - for things that may become 02:35:10.754 --> 02:35:17.533 - Inquiries or petitions or resolutions and that's generally how those things get escalated for members 02:35:17.533 --> 02:35:24.577 - of the public and in large part as you've observed because there are lots of other ways to resolve things 02:35:24.577 --> 02:35:31.290 - like a pothole where we don't necessarily want to Give someone the impression that they need to wait 02:35:31.290 --> 02:35:37.935 - a couple months to fix a pothole people often Care less about the process of triage and simply want 02:35:37.935 --> 02:35:40.062 - the results of proper triage so 02:35:40.258 --> 02:35:48.384 - I hope that helps. That's thank you. Yes, that's I like that. There's a question from Deborah Meyerson 02:35:48.384 --> 02:35:56.589 - on Incentives for bike graphics within bike racks within the city. So she has some questions about that 02:35:56.589 --> 02:36:04.557 - So that was late breaking for us So that's something we can review and if we want to bring that back 02:36:04.557 --> 02:36:09.054 - in another form we can do that Other comments from staff 02:36:10.338 --> 02:36:19.413 - commission if not, we will move on to any Discussion of topics not on the docket from staff All right, 02:36:19.413 --> 02:36:28.576 - I'll simply flag that next week or next month's meeting The packet materials may be a little different. 02:36:28.576 --> 02:36:37.475 - I can't exactly tell you how I and assume that you will all want to continue receiving a PDF packet, 02:36:37.475 --> 02:36:39.678 - but you should know that 02:36:39.778 --> 02:36:47.620 - WCAG federal Requirements are going to be changing and that's city is getting more uniform and standardized 02:36:47.620 --> 02:36:54.882 - in its response to those federal changes but it will affect how the Commission's documents are made 02:36:54.882 --> 02:37:02.289 - available to the public but not necessarily prepared for commissioners because it is a redundant step 02:37:02.289 --> 02:37:06.718 - not necessarily the transformation of the entire process and 02:37:07.106 --> 02:37:14.771 - So if you have any questions about what that's gonna look like, feel free to email me. I'll be setting 02:37:14.771 --> 02:37:22.436 - it up. Thank you. Thank you. It sounds like some extra work for you. Yes. Then we'll move on to public 02:37:22.436 --> 02:37:29.878 - comment for items not on the docket. Is there anyone in council chambers who'd like to comment? No. 02:37:29.878 --> 02:37:37.022 - Is there anyone online who'd like to? No. All right. At that point, we have reached adjournment 02:37:37.186 --> 02:37:41.914 - And if there's one thing I know about Robert's Rules of Order, if you get the bottom of the agenda, 02:37:41.914 --> 02:37:44.798 - you can just adjourn. So we will do that, meeting adjourned.