- This meeting will come to order. This is the June meeting of the regular session of the Bloomington
- Transportation Commission. Can we please have a call of the roll. Copic here. Connell binder here. Bowlin
- here. Drummey here. We have a quorum.
- The agenda is as follows. We'll hear a 180 day order update from staff under reports and commissions.
- We have several cases to consider tonight. Case A is TCP 26 0 7 an addendum to the infrastructure improvement
- on Roger Street and Grimes Lane TCR 26 13 an amendment to the Transportation Commission's bylaws TCR
- 26 14 title 15 amendments.
- to codify no parking on streets in Matlock Heights and the TCR 26 15 many title 15 to codify no parking
- on Cottage Grove will then have discussion of topics not on the agenda including a report on on site
- private parking at the current at Latimer will take up general public comment on items not on the docket
- and then we will adjourn.
- Let us start with reports and communications from commissioners. Is there any report of interesting
- things or things to know on my right. Mr. Connell I'll just bring up speed. We launched our open paint
- payment platform for Bloomington Transit so now you can ride by the tap of a credit card Google pay
- phone. So it's looking pretty good. And that's happening right now.
- Yeah, we launched last Monday Fantastic any other reports to my right mr. Binder I'll just compliment
- planning transportation and engineering on the work. They've done so far on Rogers It's very exciting
- to see a raised pedestrian crossing at Howe Street, which is where I live and I've been Petitioning
- for a long time for that crossing to be improved. So it's wonderful to see that finally finally in action
- and boots on the ground so yeah, my my
- Sincere compliments. Thank you Mr. Binder on my left. Any reports. No I have no report. So let's now
- move to reports from staff. We have a 180 day order update. I see Andrew Seaboard director of engineering
- ready to present Andrew Seaboard city engineer. Just providing my monthly update on 180 day orders since
- your last meeting. No new orders have been issued.
- Though three previous issued orders were extended. Two of those are related to neighborhood Greenway
- projects in the Park Ridge area. And another was related to a development project off of East 19th Street
- and some some parking changes there. Just maybe a preview of what's to come pending some items on your
- agenda today. Likely there would be some additional 180 day orders that will be issued.
- In the coming weeks or months, there's also some Previously approved new subdivisions that may be close
- to being accepted into the city's inventory and at that point we would issue orders for any new stop
- signs or parking controls within those subdivisions and then also just an update that city administration
- staff and City Council legal staff have engaged in some conversations about
- Just this section of city code and the traffic Regulations and just excited to start making some progress
- and in continuing those conversations with council staff and ultimately with some council members as
- well So so more to come on that but just that those conversations are are moving along or and happy
- to answer any questions that you have Thank You mr. Seabor for the report are there any questions for
- the director engineering to my left to my right and
- Did I hear right that you said subdivisions Correct there's some when new subdivisions are constructed
- as we start to accept those new streets into our inventory we Need to make sure that the stop signs
- and any parking controls are Reflected in this practice And we approve new subdivisions. They have an
- obligation to build sidewalks and tree plots, right? Correct. Okay
- Okay, I think that's it. Thank you so much. Great. Let's go now to cases. We'll start with TCP 2607.
- Who is here to present? Hi there, Kendall Kenoki, Engineering Department. I am back. Two months ago,
- I presented this project to you, so this is more of an update to a previous approval of the project.
- There were several things. I think I'm sharing my screen, is that? Okay. So just to remind you of the
- scope of the project, so this is primarily a maintenance project of Patterson, Grimes, and Rogers.
- When I presented this project to you two months ago I kind of went over what we were doing and there
- was two kind of areas of title 15 changes that we really hadn't Because of the speed at which we needed
- to go with this project in order to secure some state funding We really hadn't done the public engagement.
- We would have liked to before coming to the Transportation Commission So I've since done that public
- engagement. So I'm coming back to you to kind of
- update you on the results of that public engagement and then also inform you of kind of the final selected
- design. So basically before you tonight is an approval of the amended project from what was presented
- to you in March or maybe April, not March. So kind of gonna go over these three areas here. The first
- is Rogers between second and third.
- So this was an area where we were proposing to remove some on-street parking But if you talk to someone
- who lives in the area, they will tell you we are actually removing a left-turn lane from northbound
- Rogers into Onto westbound how it's actually not a left-turn lane their street parking on the east side
- and then Kind of a taper for traffic to go around but it essentially functioned as a left-turn lane
- so the proposal was to
- This is what what was shown before but to eliminate the that parking Provide pedestrian refuge islands
- and then taper the road over and maintain the street parking with bump outs After doing outreach the
- updated design is essentially the same thing So there's no changes tonight in terms of title 15 or anything,
- but I wanted to kind of go over what what resulted from that public engagement so
- Kind of listed here, but attended a couple prospect Hill neighborhood association meetings sent some
- mailings to adjacent residents Definitely had numerous phone calls and emails from the residents. That
- was great We had lots of engagement kind of presented all of the different options that could be done
- on this street that I've Touched on in April to you all But some of the takeaways here was that the
- parking on Rogers was important to many residents maintaining turning for vehicles at how and
- Rogers along with Smith and Prospect was important to the residents. They didn't want to see that cut
- off. There was some desire to maintain the kind of left turn lane I described before, but there was
- also kind of a more powerful desire for enhanced pedestrian crossings at that intersection. Green space
- and street trees, if you're familiar with the corridor, it's definitely got some very mature trees.
- That was very important to the residents and there's actually a pretty Consistent desire for some traffic
- calming along this corridor. This is an arterial street But essentially what we've done with the final
- design is kept it largely the same as what was shown to you But to kind of help facilitate that traffic
- calming we did Extend the bump outs a little bit. So we still have two 11-foot travel lanes 22 feet
- but they are a little bit wider out than they were before and the hope is that'll provide maybe a little
- bit of traffic calming and I think For the future of this corridor. So this was a maintenance project.
- This was kind of immediate improvements There's a larger corridor study going on as you're aware Rogers
- Madison Kinzer and I've really encouraged the residents to get involved with that so that the final
- long-term vision for this corridor can be you know come out of that study and
- In the future long term we can work towards additional traffic calming or whatever is desired along
- this corridor. So That's the update on Rogers between second and third really no change from what was
- presented before the next location I can go back to the map here is
- Rogers between Patterson and Dixie. So this is an area with existing on-street parking on the east side
- The road kind of tapers over and then tapers back. It's not heavily utilized currently But we wanted
- to get out and talk to some of the residents out there. So there's Some ways that I was able to do that
- neighborhood association Constituent meeting we even did some tabling out there at switch yard park
- for Grimes Lane But also talked to people about Rogers
- The feedback we received is that the existing parking is not heavily used and most of the residents
- Avoid parking there because they feel it's dangerous. There could be damage to their vehicles Didn't
- encounter anyone who was opposed to eliminating that parking So as a result, this is what was shown
- to you Is it April or March when I was here
- I'm saying March here, but I think it was April. But anyway at the last meeting when I was here Nothing's
- changed. So just wanted to kind of show that we are striping bike lanes in lieu of parking on the east
- side of Rogers And then the third location here is Grimes Lane So this is a area where we were proposing
- a lot of really cool safety improvements we've actually made some changes to that so
- We are now showing the extension of an existing multi-use path on the north side of Patterson along
- Grimes From Morton to the switch yard park entrance and then adding a raised crosswalk adjacent to the
- switch yard park interests so this was prioritized by planning for pedestrian safety and traffic calming
- and I can kind of show maybe here on the map so This is what was shown to you previously and then this
- is this was the final design. So I think
- You know, there's a grade-separated pedestrian crossing at this location, so it's kind of like, why
- would you do a race crosswalk at this location? But when you look at kind of the network and
- the connectivity, so there is a multi-use path that extends to the west, and the plan is for it to extend
- to the east eventually, that you'd have to kind of loop all the way around if you're going to take the
- B line, which most people are not.
- Doing to access those areas if you're headed to new hope for families or Bloomington Transit Which are
- a lot of people that cross there for that from the park. This is where you're crossing So there's kind
- of some some connectivity things there with it and also just a desire for During peak times the traffic
- congestion kind of does its own traffic calming but during non peak times ensuring that people are traveling at
- Not excessive speeds in this corridor and doing this race crosswalk as part of this project. We ended
- up I mean the cost savings it truly is very very reasonably priced to do it as part of the project rather
- than as a standalone project so that that was something that changed in addition to all the as you can
- see in green the curb line work and Dry vapor and sidewalk reconstruction. We were already proposing
- so Yeah, we did some public outreach along Grimes
- to kind of get the word out there We had coordination with police and fire about it and They had some
- concerns, but we've alleviated those. We're not making this as as big of a bump As we could and and
- kind of discussed target speeds over the crosswalk and things like that with them so with that that
- is a summary of all the changes so tonight I
- There's no changes to the title 15 approvals. You already did but there is a change in kind of the project
- as a whole So it's an amendment to the approval of the project before you and I'm happy to answer any
- questions Thank You. Mr. Kenoki. All right. Are there questions on this item from members to my right?
- Mr. Binder Thanks very much
- And I'll repeat that I'm very happy to see improvements made on Rogers lately. Can you help me understand
- what criteria engineering uses when determining when to paint crosswalks and when not to? Because, for
- example, I don't see crosswalks painted on the ground depicted at Dixie or Prospect, for example. But
- there is a new one at Howe. And so, like, you know, Prospect or Smith, I mean, there are new
- per bump outs, and I understand what you said earlier about horizontal deflection, traffic calming,
- purpose that serves, but to me it seems like, especially when you add up everything against the pouring
- of concrete and so on, painting a crosswalk doesn't seem like it would be much more to do, so I'm wondering
- if that's still in the plan or could be considered in the future, and why one particular crossing gets
- the crosswalk and another one doesn't?
- get it painted? Yeah, yeah. I can help answer that. So crosswalks, there's a large variety of reasons
- why we paint them and why we don't. Maintenance is a factor in crosswalks, but also the amount of pedestrian
- traffic and also kind of where we're encouraging people to cross. So we typically don't stripe uncontrolled
- crosswalks unless we have improved the crosswalk in some way. So a great example is
- Here on 7th Street near City Hall. There's the beeline crossing and then there's another crossing West
- of Madison for a long time that there was no crosswalk painted there There wasn't even a receiving curb
- ramp, but when we added the curb ramp and added signage we painted the crosswalk to kind of go along
- with those improvements because we've improved that crosswalk and so typically
- we try to only paint crosswalks where we've done some kind of improvement. So at Howe, we're doing the
- Refuge Islands, we're doing the signage, we're striping the crosswalks there. At Prospect and Smith,
- yes we are doing the bump outs, but it's not a very high volume pedestrian crosswalk, and we really
- would prefer pedestrians to cross at the most improved crosswalk at Howe and at Traffic Signals where
- they have their own dedicated crossing.
- It kind of is a balance between maintenance and volume of pedestrians. If we had an extreme number of
- pedestrians crossing at Smith, if it was right in front of an IU building, we'd probably stripe that
- crosswalk. And then also maintenance, I know that paint seems like it's not that big of a maintenance,
- but we really try to get those crosswalks out of wheel paths because they fade very quickly and it is
- a bit of a maintenance burden. So we try to be basically,
- deliberate with where we're striping crosswalks. You don't want to stripe them everywhere. There is
- some research behind crosswalks and if you're striping uncontrolled crosswalks without doing any kind
- of improvements, it is either not making a difference or it may actually be less safe to stripe those
- crosswalks is what some of the research has shown. So we really try to be deliberate with making improvements
- to actually help the crossing rather than just throwing paint down and hoping that magically improves it.
- Hopefully, that's helpful. There's a lot of considerations. I might email you later if you care to send
- me some of that research. Thank you, Mr. Binder. Questions to my left? OK. I have a quick question about
- the Grimes. I have to get to the right picture here. Right near the bridge for the B line.
- Why wouldn't you put the crosswalk directly under the bridge. That probably is the ideal location from
- a drainage standpoint. We really wanted to kind of align it with where it made sense. There is that
- kind of large path that comes out of switch yard park and we are able to widen the path.
- From the east and connect it here at this location So it just seemed to make the most sense from a crossing
- standpoint Especially if you think about someone coming out of that path and then turning east which
- believe it or not the few times I've been out there I've been out there two or three times doing outreach
- for this and I've seen people come out and turn east And they're not gonna walk over to go under the
- bridge and cross they're gonna try to cross You know what's most convenient for them. So we're trying
- to maximize that and
- Okay, that's no big deal. I just was curious any further questions from members Mr. Connell Excuse me.
- I just wanted a first. Thank you for reaching out on the Grimes project but I just want to reiterate
- the importance of Having access to get it in and out of our facility because there's only one way in
- and there's only one way out and I hope that's strongly communicated to the contractors and That you
- know, it's a number one priority
- Would appreciate that Yep, absolutely Okay, if there's no other questions we'll go to the public for
- comment There's no members of the public in the room if there's anyone online who'd like to comment
- on this item TCR Sorry TCP 2607 Please raise your hand and zoom and you'll be called on you'll have
- three minutes Nobody
- Last call for public comment on TCP 2607 as it ended. I don't think that's the right word. Seeing none
- we come back to the commission for final comments or a motion. I move that we approve the proposed amendments
- to TCP 2607. Is there a second. Second. We have a motion and a second.
- Will the if it's not the clerk, what should I refer to them as? Secretary the second the secretary,
- please call the roll. I'll get used to this eventually Connell Yes finder. Yes Folan. Yes, Jimmy.
- Yes Copic. Yes That passes 5-0 We move now to TCR 2613
- Who is here to present on that, Mr. Kenoki? No? I think that might be me, sorry. Mr. Roebling. I'm catching
- up. Okay. Okay.
- Brian Merlbling, Planning Services Manager. We have a bylaws update. It's been about a year since we
- adopted our bylaws and so we've learned some lessons and we have some fixes based on those lessons learned.
- Two relatively minor ones that are, one's an oversight, one is a misunderstanding of what would happen.
- So the first is based off of the Kirkwood conversation that we had
- Earlier this month with tcr 2612 where council members were bringing forward a title 15 amendment And
- our rules had no formal Method for them to bring forward anything which obviously they are allowed to
- amend title 15 but title 2 Requires that this body review any title 15 amendment first and so it led
- to this confusing handoff where no one was really sure how to
- move that to from council to this body. And so thankfully Commissioner Rolland is on top of it. But
- this will alleviate that and now staff can reach out to council members and have that handoff happen
- smoother. And then the second one is related to the Indiana Avenue safety project which is T.C.P. twenty
- six ten if you'll recall.
- You this body sent it back to staff for further consideration And as they weren't as you weren't satisfied
- with the design as it stood, so we're still dealing with that we haven't Come up with a solution to
- bring back to this body, but we will at some point but in the meantime we it we became aware that there
- was an issue where the body might never agree with the findings and might want to
- for all intents and purposes adopt a negative finding while still allowing the city engineer to move
- forward with a project since the transportation commission doesn't really have the ability to cancel
- a project. So this fix will do that and my screen will switch. There we go. I'll show both of those.
- They're in red in the packet. The first one is to article four.
- A2 and then it's just adding the line members of common council similar to members of this body or staff
- will be able to bring forward resolutions Again, that was just an oversight didn't think about it at
- the time And then the second one is in D1 D which will add a new motion for petitions Which is D find
- the petition does not satisfy all approval criteria. So if all other avenues are explored and the
- Transportation Commission does not believe that the proposal meets all of the required criteria they
- can find negative findings in this case and allow the petition to go on and And meet the real world
- and I'm happy to answer any questions Thank you for the presentation are there questions to my left
- on TCR 2613 to my right
- Okay I think I have one I get the ability of the members of the common council to to bring a resolution
- because we have an obligation to I mean it is our obligation according to city code to vet any transportation
- related ordinance right. Correct. Yeah.
- Now with the other part, so this is an article for section D decisions. You talk about this new addition
- that we can approve approve with refinement considerations refer the matter back to staff for further
- refinement and now find that the petition does not satisfy all approval criteria. Why is it that the
- this body can't simply reject a petition?
- The simple answer is that all engineering or excuse me infrastructure related decisions via state code
- are assigned to the city engineer. And so the city engineer has ultimate authority. So if the city engineer
- were to deem something appropriate then they alone can approve it. So this would allow you to weigh
- in on that but not allow you to prevent it. Sorry go ahead. That's a good explanation.
- Our enabling legislation is purely locally related local ordinance and state code doesn't require the
- engineer to get our approval but it doesn't necessarily. Well I guess what I'm trying to ask is does
- local code compel the engineer in any way. No.
- Mr. Seaborg can correct me if I'm wrong. But I believe state code in my reading of state code it is
- very clear that the city engineer alone has authority and doesn't allow the engineer to ignore
- the Transportation Commission. It's silent on that. So it's simply what local code has said. It requires
- this process regardless of our recommendation. No matter what we decide the
- Items still have to come before this body correct, even though the final decision rests with the engineer,
- correct? Yes, sorry misunderstood the question. Okay, that's a good explanation Okay, any other questions
- to my left to my right? If none we'll go to the public for comment now again no one in chambers from
- the public is anybody online if you have a comment on the
- TCR 26 13, please use the raise hand function in zoom You'll be called on you'll have three minutes
- to speak No raised hands last call for comments Coming back to the body TCR 26 13 any comments from
- members To my right to my left. All right so I talked with Mr. Roebling about this a week ago, and I
- didn't really have time to
- to address it, although I really appreciate the explanation he gave today, because that was clarifying.
- But I do wish that there was a way to simplify the decision matrix that we have built for this body,
- because it's a pretty busy and involved set of decisions we have to make. But it's something that can
- wait. We can do another bylaw revision as we see fit.
- With that I'm looking for a recommendation on this resolution a Motion I should say is there a motion
- on TCR to approve The motion is there a second second. We have motion in a second. Will the secretary
- please call the roll? Finder yes Bowen. Yes drumming. Yes Copic. Yes Connell. Yes
- And that resolution passes five zero as well. We now move on to TCR 26 14 who is presenting title 15
- amendments on Matlock Heights. All right. Traffic engineer at the engineering department for Matlock
- Heights. We're proposing to restrict parking for the entire neighborhood on one side of the street in
- order to maintain vehicle access.
- while still allowing some on-street parking. What triggered this is that the Neighborhood Association
- brought their concerns that during football games, there was a lot of parking going on and it would
- restrict vehicle access. When vehicles would park on both sides of the streets, neighbors and emergency
- vehicles weren't able to pass through the street, or if they were, it was very narrow. In response to
- this concern, we went out and evaluated the road
- and took a look at the width of the road, as well as locations for driveways, mailboxes, and
- other conditions. And after that, we are proposing that there be no parking restrictions, sorry, that
- we put in no parking restrictions for the entire neighborhood on one side of the streets. The neighborhood
- has very low parking demand, except for on game days. And we looked into permanent solutions versus
- just game day only parking restrictions,
- Currently we're proposing to do permanent no parking. This will be easier for parking enforcement and
- it will be consistent with other locations in the city for outreach. We shared our proposed idea with
- the representative from the neighborhood association and we also sent out mailers to the residents and
- the feedback that we heard was mostly about the location of signs and no concerns about the restrictions itself.
- I'm happy to take any questions. Thanks for the presentation. Other questions on TCR 26 14 to my right
- Mr. Connell crazy it can be. Is there an enforcement strategy because you know I think people tend to
- just find parking and I was just curious.
- My understanding is that for this if residents see people parking and they're blocking the street that
- they can call in for parking enforcement and then they'll come out. Questions to my left. So I guess
- I want to know when somebody I mean do they do people respond quickly when there's a complaint of illegal
- parking in a neighborhood like this on a game day.
- Do you know I'm not aware of that but I can find that out. Yeah I think it'll be interesting for us
- to know because Mr. Connell makes a good point. Do people tend to violate no parking restrictions on
- a day like that. I would also not. I'm not sure about that but I can find out. Yeah that's something
- I'd like to know. And regardless of how we dispose of this today I think it would be good
- to report the next meeting, follow up on that info. Further questions? Seeing none, we'll go to the
- public for comment on TCR 2614. There's no one in the room. If there's anyone online who'd like to comment
- on amending Title 15 to codify no parking on streets in Matlock Heights, please use the raise hand function
- in Zoom and you'll be called on. You'll have three minutes. Mr. Robles, is there anybody in Zoom at
- all, let alone
- Who's raising their hand. That's a no. We'll come back to the commission for comments and debate. And
- if there is none for a motion on this resolution I'll move to approve it. Second we have a motion and
- a second. Will the secretary please call the roll on TCR 26 14. Yes. Drumming. Yes.
- Copic? Yes. Connell? Yes. Binder? Yes. That too passes five to zero. Let's move on now to TCR 2615,
- title 15 amendments on no parking on Cottage Grove. Mr. Roebling, I assume this is yours too? No? Who's
- presenting this? Oh, sorry, Mr. Garzi. Sorry. John Garzi, traffic engineer. For Cottage Grove, we are
- proposing to move the parking from the north side of the block to the south side
- for the three blocks of Cottage Grove between Lincoln and Indiana. This will move people that are biking
- outside of the parked vehicle zone area. And we are doing this in response because the streets are being
- repaved and then they'll be restriped afterwards. And we're using this as an opportunity to improve
- the bike lane. Our proposal is not gonna be removing any parking. It's going to reduce the risk of someone
- biking being doored.
- and overall improve comfort for people that are biking and for people that are driving. The section
- of Indiana to forest is going to remain unchanged. And since we're doing this as part of the paving
- project, it's going to help to minimize additional costs and disruption. For outreach, we emailed the
- affected property owners and residents. And in support, we heard one resident respond that they
- that they bike to and from the university on a regular basis and that they like this idea. And we didn't
- have anything in opposition. Thank you. Thank you. If there are any questions to my left on TCR 2615
- to my right, seeing none. Is there any member of the public who had to comment on TCR 2615? Please raise
- your hand. If you are on zoom and you'd like to speak,
- Seeing none and no members of the public in the chambers who come back to the Commission for debate
- Is there any final comment or a motion on TCR 2615? Maybe we can get a motion for the left side for
- once Can we get a second from the left side here Second the motion. We have a motion in a second. Will
- the secretary please call the roll on TCR 2615 drumming
- Yes Copic. Yes, Connell. Yes finder. Yes, Volin. Yes That's 5-0 in favor and that passes as well. We
- now move to discussion of topics not on the docket There any items from commissioners that they want
- to talk about that. We have not put on the agenda Like I said, I'm going to want to address to tighten
- some other
- Minor bylaws issues as we have time I would like to ask when is our next scheduled meeting or when our
- next scheduled meetings maybe the next two because I think there's a planning session coming up or planning
- hearing Nothing yet for planning session and then I don't know the date I think Iris is pulling it up
- The next planned Commission meeting I see is for July 27th
- Plan Commission, did you say the regular hearing our regular here? Yeah, sorry. Yeah, okay, but there's
- no we don't know whether there's gonna be a Planning a session before that There is no plan for one
- to be before that if there's if that changes well, there's one after that though in August, right? Yes
- after that we should have one but nothing between now and then unless something changes and because of
- City budget hearings we have chosen not to schedule a regular hearing in August. Right. So July. Yeah.
- OK. So July 27th is our next meeting at 530 in these chambers. Right. OK. So that and the deadline for
- submitting things would be January or July 13th or July. What's the date for. I'm looking this up now
- on the 10th.
- Yeah, thank you, it is the 10th. It is now on our Transportation Commission calendar. So when you go
- to the Transportation Commission website, on the panel, the right-hand side of the page, you'll see
- meeting notices, upcoming meetings. I've also co-opted that script so that our deadlines are more visible,
- easier to access, and generally remember. But I would like to recommend that anyone who's using Google Calendar
- Click through to view those events on Google Calendar. You can add and subscribe to that calendar on
- your own so you get updates Without having to search for them. They'll just show up in your own calendar
- The deadline is now 17 days for the meeting on the 10th. Is that the regular? the regular It is generally
- three weeks before A holiday holidays tend to move that a few days one way or the other sometimes
- Okay, any other items for discussion, Mr. Drummey? I have a discussion item. I don't know if it's appropriate
- or not, but more of just honestly a discussion. I use the e-Report system for work sometimes and it
- used to be able to search the e-Report system and it used to have a mapping function to look at where
- various reports have been made and placed. And it seems like that's no longer working. I mean, it looks
- like you can still search, but it doesn't seem to really work.
- And the mapping feature seems to not be working and I submitted a you report about the you report and
- I think it ended up in the technology part ITS department or whatever that is. And they basically said
- we just have to rebuild the system and there's no timeline to do that. But is anyone else. I mean it
- might just be a.
- You know a problem with my chrome or something. Is anyone else having that experience? Is that an intern
- several members of staff in the room? Does anybody have any feedback on this? Well, while I'm not a
- representative of ITS I can speak to this a little bit because what you're experiencing was part of
- the city's effort to meet that April compliance deadline for ADA accessibility and you report was very
- non-compliant and as a consequence ITS
- disabled features that would open up the city to liability and With respect to a schedule for implementing
- something new I'll just echo what you heard is that there probably isn't a schedule right now because
- it's not a priority but I do understand that staff have access to some features that the public don't
- and part of that has to do with that compliance obligation and
- Understand that the compliance deadline was moved back an entire year. Why couldn't those features be
- re-enabled? one interpretation that I've heard is that while the Justice Department may not move on
- Prosecuting any cases that lawsuits can still be filed or cases can still be filed against the city
- So it's more of a matter of trying to be proactive and diligent but if there are specific
- types of information that staff can readily research for you, that would be a great opportunity to utilize
- the public records request portal. And that can involve more departments than just ITS. That is one
- limitation of UReport, is that it's sending one message to one staff member, whereas the records request
- system actually involves, it activates like six or seven different staff members all at once.
- Do you have more thoughts, Mr. Jimmy? I always have more thoughts, but no, I appreciate the explanation.
- I, um, I wasn't aware of the 80 or the background information. So no, I, um, I hope it gets, I mean,
- it was useful to be, I mean, not just for war, just as a, as a, it seems like maybe that message should
- be conveyed to the public that, cause like right now I can search something and be like, Oh,
- there's nothing, you know, if I search my name, there's,
- I'm not listening to your report. I know I'm listening to some of your reports. So maybe we need to
- do a better job of conveying those limitations. I think that that's feedback that ITS needs to hear.
- So I just recommend that people continue to send that feedback to the department. It's good for them
- to know that these resources are relied upon because sometimes certain departments only receive negative
- kinds of feedback. And that is what's driving their priorities. Knowing that this is a valued resource
- that maybe should
- take up more of their time. That's a different kind of feedback that they would they would appreciate
- hearing. Can I simply ask on behalf of Mr. Drummond and the commission that staff directly convey this
- discussion to I.T.S. Yeah. I mean passing our minutes send a note just say look this is a concern. I
- can follow up. Yeah. OK. Thank you. Any further items not on the docket.
- I've got one if not, I would like to make a formal request for something that we were accustomed to
- at the parking commission, which is data, parking data. The commission had access to data through 2022.
- So the past three years worth of meter and garage usage data, both summarized and raw files,
- would be something that would be of interest. I don't know if they have any plans for, I know that parking
- services is thinking about having new equipment purchased, but that historic data is still of use. And
- in the past, I've spoken with people at ITS who said, yes, we could make that data available to you
- in a graphic form if we just had access to it.
- So I guess while you're writing ITS, could you also make the request to parking services for that data
- and make sure that it gets to ITS so they can see what they can do with it? And certainly we'd love
- to have a meeting to discuss what can and should be done with it. On that topic, I have already scheduled
- coordination collaboration meeting with parking services and ESD staff for September to get together
- and ITS staff to get together and exactly tackle that question of providing data to the Commission and
- eventually scheduling a planning session for the Production of the annual parking report Thank you very
- much for for thinking that far ahead that's exactly what I was hoping for any further items not on the docket
- If not once again, the next meeting is July 27th deadline for submitting items is July 10th and mr.
- Roebling has a Oh, I'm so sorry I skipped the report the discussion of I almost got away with it to
- the staff has a discussion of items on the docket the current at Latimer mr. Roebling
- Yeah, thank you. Ryan Roebling, planning services manager. This is actually, uh, was generated from
- a commissioner of Olin. Um, it's, uh, was a request for an inquiry, um, and about the current Latimer.
- I'm not sharing my screen. Hang on. Sorry. Uh, which is on third street here. It, um, is this area right
- here. Former Kmart site. Yep.
- just south of Blooming Foods on Third Street. It has a number of parking spaces. Mr. Volin's request
- for an inquiry, this is mostly just a conversation to Mr. Volin, Commissioner Volin, but it took long
- enough that I felt it necessary to bring it up and ask for clarification. The specific request was for
- an inquiry on the number of parking spaces and the
- the usage of the parking on-site we The zoning code at the time and currently right now requires a number
- of parking spaces. There was 617 bedrooms proposed in that Development and the UDO requires half a parking
- space per bedroom and so that would make the range from 309 parking spaces to 500 and a handful
- Of acceptable parking spaces and they provided on-site 385 on the parking in parking structure and then
- a hundred off-site adjacent to the in the lot adjacent to be foods So it's about 500 and just under
- 500 total spaces and then oh, sorry That's also they provided some on-street parking on the internal
- drives. So 527 all told
- Commissioner Roland asked that I reach out and determine how much how utilized their parking was that
- has proved difficult. So the real question is and to do a full inquiry like I would normally do. That'll
- be hard since I'll need private data that I can't easily get.
- So I guess the question is, is there any other data that would be suitable and would you like me to
- look at other sites that had a similar requirement? There's a handful around PUDs specifically on the
- same side of town or are you open to it being student housing anywhere or apartments anywhere? That's
- a lot of questions. Let me try to answer one at a time. First of all, does the PUD have anything to
- say about whether or not
- The landlord is able to package parking with an apartment or whether they are required to sell it separately
- from rent. This development was by right. It's in the MC zoning district. It started as a PD. Originally
- the first rumblings were a PD and then the zoning map change allowed a similar development by right.
- So the UDO does not have that requirement and there is no PD.
- Okay, so we can't compel them to tell us how many permits they have sold or given out. Correct. But
- we can at least keep trying to ask them. Do we know if the management is nearby or far away? I believe
- they are on site. They just have not responded so far. I don't have contacts for this developer. I have
- contacts for other developers, which is why. If you want, I could visit them with a Denver boot. Sure.
- Okay, maybe compel info just kidding. Just kidding. Just kidding. But more importantly you asked about
- a broader question. Can you restate the question? Yeah, I think I like I said, I have contacts for other
- developers I might be able to pull up some similar data if we're open to that since I can't find it
- for this specific location and that will maybe help answer some of the questions about required parking.
- I mean any data we can get is better than what we have now. So because ultimately and this is the big
- question I want to ask at some point in a more formal way. Would it be possible for us to make
- new developments require the breaking out of parking from rent. In other words so that let alone that
- we can require the reporting of parking. I mean it's an expensive resource it's a valuable resource.
- We should be able to measure that value and see what kind of trips are generated by the parking that
- we permit. So what is staff's opinion on this idea and how likely is it for us to be able to do. I would
- need to look into the rules and code to.
- But it's something we could certainly explore and I'm happy to bring forward in an inquiry a proper
- inquiry next time. That'd be great whenever I While while we're here and mr. Connell is here. Mr. Connell
- Do you have any sense of how bus passenger traffic is in this area? Latimer Is the occupancy rates pretty low I
- Yeah, I think they have a lot of last I heard was that they're there I think 50 60 percent occupancy
- so Measurable do you have the ability to measure? Ridership coming from there. Yes. We actually we actually
- met with them Shortly after they got ready to launch to discuss possible
- Partnership agreement for universal access prepay fares but it was never executed and we did prepare
- a route and a cost but they eventually chose to contract with Go Express but they're not even doing
- that now. So that leads me to believe that the occupancy rate is
- is relatively low for whatever reason. Thank you for that feedback. Yeah I think that would be an interesting
- aspect of an eventual inquiry but we can talk about setting one up. I don't have enough to to to make
- an inquiry to ask for an inquiry right now. But that doesn't mean we can't set one up between meetings
- right. OK. Any other items not on the docket.
- Seeing none. Once again, next meeting is July 27th in this chamber at 5 30 p.m. Deadline for submissions
- to the meeting is July 10th at 5 p.m. And you can send to transportation commission at Bloomington dot
- gov. I get that right. We are asking that commissioners use the form that we've provided that is also
- included in the event calendar listing. So just for track back.
- purposes and members of the public don't have access to that form. And so we asked that if members of
- the public would like to coordinate putting something on the agenda they coordinate that with commissioners
- directly so that commissioners have sort of like a hand in you know coordinating whatever members of
- the public may need in terms of participating in the meeting fully.
- So once again, if members of public want to email transportation dot transportation dot commission at
- Bloomington dot ion dot gov any commissioner can take up their concern and ask for something to be put
- on the agenda. Yeah. Generally speaking. Yeah. And typically when members of the public email us that's
- generally the public comment. And so those do appear in the packet when we receive them if
- member of the public requested that something be circulated with commissioners. That is typically how
- we would do it. And then commissioners would have an opportunity to follow up with members of the public.
- OK. But I mean if somebody emails that address it'll go to us automatically or you'll forward to us.
- It would just come to staff because we don't have commissioners set up within our system to receive
- mail from the Google group. So you will forward to us whenever we get a comment. Yes. OK. OK. Seeing
- none see no other comments. This this meeting is adjourned.