WEBVTT 00:00:00.194 --> 00:00:09.621 - We'll call our utility services board meeting for June 15th to order. And first thing on the agenda 00:00:09.621 --> 00:00:19.330 - is any petitions or communications from the public? Any updates? Any input from the public? All right. 00:00:19.330 --> 00:00:28.851 - That's it, yes. All right. Sir, if you could just step up to the podium there. Give us your name for 00:00:28.851 --> 00:00:29.982 - the record. 00:00:30.274 --> 00:00:41.560 - We'd be happy to hear your input. My name's John Simpson. I have been working on a project over on Roger 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:52.631 - Street for Parks and Recreation. I call this Watergate 26 because some reason we keep interacting with 00:00:52.631 --> 00:00:57.790 - Bloomington Utilities. Started, we had a truck. 00:00:58.242 --> 00:01:05.203 - not a small truck, a big truck, drive around our road closure, jump the curbs, cross the plantings at 00:01:05.203 --> 00:01:12.028 - Switchyard to get to Food Truck Friday. That didn't seem like a good thing, but I wasn't gonna make 00:01:12.028 --> 00:01:18.853 - a big deal out of it. Then we had locate, we were digging in the street, we tore the street out, we 00:01:18.853 --> 00:01:26.223 - had valid locates, my locates were cleared and showed as marked. But I think you had two different locators 00:01:26.223 --> 00:01:26.974 - out there, 00:01:27.586 --> 00:01:37.748 - And one guy who's absolutely, in my opinion, overzealous and came out and reacted in a way that he shouldn't 00:01:37.748 --> 00:01:47.071 - have because the locate wasn't done. In other words, we had a cleared ticket. We were clear to dig. 00:01:47.071 --> 00:01:55.742 - And the locator came out and, of course, he knew there was a large water main in the street. 00:01:56.034 --> 00:02:04.709 - and he marked it. He had some interaction with one of my employees that I didn't appreciate. I felt 00:02:04.709 --> 00:02:13.557 - that he was wrong. But that started the whole thing off that he saw my personal water meter hooked to 00:02:13.557 --> 00:02:22.318 - a hydrant. It's a relatively new meter with a backflow prevention. It's a suitable device to measure 00:02:22.318 --> 00:02:23.966 - water consumption. 00:02:24.226 --> 00:02:31.879 - raised crosswalk requires what's called a multi-component pavement marking. I don't know that I ever 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:39.456 - thought they would really use that product. It's a terrible product in my opinion. But they refused 00:02:39.456 --> 00:02:47.336 - to allow us to use traditional curing for it. So we had to use a wet cure with burlap. We needed water. 00:02:47.336 --> 00:02:51.806 - We needed water continuously over the course of four days. 00:02:52.034 --> 00:02:58.902 - Not a lot of water, a very small amount of water, but we needed water. We were working on a job for 00:02:58.902 --> 00:03:05.977 - the city trying to do the right thing, make the project work and do it right. And we were told we were 00:03:05.977 --> 00:03:13.120 - no longer allowed to use water. The city was aware that I was using my meter, whatever the locator made 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:20.126 - a big deal out of it, got somebody's attention, and we were told we were no longer allowed to use it. 00:03:22.850 --> 00:03:30.591 - I feel like that's a pretty huge lack of cooperation. I've been doing this kind of work for a long time. 00:03:30.591 --> 00:03:37.963 - I don't typically work in Bloomington, work in a lot of other places. I'm very used to the demeanor 00:03:37.963 --> 00:03:45.335 - of utility folks. And there absolutely is a demeanor that comes with the work that they do. We work 00:03:45.335 --> 00:03:51.454 - with utilities successfully all over. I get meters from all kinds of other places. 00:03:51.906 --> 00:03:58.669 - I use my meter in a lot of other places, uh, never have any trouble. I'm always there to pay for it. 00:03:58.669 --> 00:04:05.567 - We're not trying to steal anything. We're trying to do a job. We're trying to do a job for the benefit 00:04:05.567 --> 00:04:12.263 - of the city. Um, it was then told us that we could get a, uh, meter, but it was going to be $5,000, 00:04:12.263 --> 00:04:19.294 - $5,000. And I went and I pulled the invoice from when I bought mine. Uh, it was less than 300 bucks. So. 00:04:20.994 --> 00:04:34.592 - I felt $5,000 was excessive, not appropriate. I did start digging into it, and I found pricing on the 00:04:34.592 --> 00:04:48.324 - city website for what the deposit is for meters, and it was not $5,000. We were running a garden hose, 00:04:48.324 --> 00:04:50.590 - 5-8 garden hose. 00:04:50.786 --> 00:04:58.018 - You know, what do I want to accomplish here? Well, one, we're about to do another very small piece of 00:04:58.018 --> 00:05:05.392 - wet-cared concrete. We'd like to have water. And I don't want to pay $5,000 to get it. I feel that that 00:05:05.392 --> 00:05:12.695 - is completely and wholly unreasonable. The idea that utilities can't cooperate with us doing a project 00:05:12.695 --> 00:05:19.998 - for parks and rec, I struggle with that. I don't think that would happen in most other municipalities. 00:05:25.282 --> 00:05:32.937 - I guess I would like to, I don't know. I'd like to have water when we need it. That very well may be 00:05:32.937 --> 00:05:40.896 - the last time that we need it, I don't know. We may need other water. The water we may need beyond that. 00:05:40.896 --> 00:05:48.552 - If we need big amounts of water, we're not gonna get it off that hydrant. I don't know. Phil, it was 00:05:48.552 --> 00:05:53.630 - important enough to take time to come down here and bring this up. 00:05:59.010 --> 00:06:08.829 - invite to any response. I know you probably do. Well, thanks, Mr. Simpson. Could you stay up there? 00:06:08.829 --> 00:06:19.139 - Sure. We may have questions. Sure. Yeah. So to kind of recap the story, you've got a contract with Parks 00:06:19.139 --> 00:06:28.958 - and Rec to do probably that project that's right there at the entrance to Switchyard Park. Correct. 00:06:29.218 --> 00:06:35.965 - at Roger Street. Correct. OK. And you needed water for the crosswalk with the specifications that. 00:06:35.965 --> 00:06:42.985 - To cure, which it wasn't specified to wet cure. Nobody would ever wet cure. You use a spray on sealer, 00:06:42.985 --> 00:06:49.801 - which acts as a curing agent. But don't get me started on the folks up that way. They weren't going 00:06:49.801 --> 00:06:56.821 - to allow it, because the problem is, say you used a curing compound, which is the only way to cure the 00:06:56.821 --> 00:06:59.070 - concrete, aside from wet curing. 00:06:59.170 --> 00:07:07.335 - you'd have to go grind it off. So we were going to spray it, and then we'd have to grind it off. Well, 00:07:07.335 --> 00:07:15.261 - it's a good finish on the concrete. You don't want to grind it off. It would be detrimental. OK. So 00:07:15.261 --> 00:07:23.188 - you needed water, and you used one of the nearby hydrants that we use for fire protection. Correct. 00:07:23.188 --> 00:07:29.054 - And the meter that you were using was your own personal one. Correct. OK. 00:07:29.858 --> 00:07:37.542 - And so what I guess my next question for our staff is, do we require, we probably do, probably require 00:07:37.542 --> 00:07:45.225 - our own meter to actually measure the amount of water that's being used. Is that right? Correct. Okay. 00:07:45.225 --> 00:07:53.058 - And I did provide photographic evidence of, you know, I think my meter had 900 gallons on it and I think 00:07:53.058 --> 00:07:57.982 - we might have used 400 or 500 gallons, something like that. Yeah. 00:07:58.690 --> 00:08:07.914 - Well, I can see where, you know, but as I tried to get a meter, 5,000 bucks. I mean, okay. So what is 00:08:07.914 --> 00:08:16.957 - our, what's our rate for, uh, is there a deposit on the meter or do we, do we, I mean, we obviously 00:08:16.957 --> 00:08:26.814 - want to provide the meters for folks to be able to use them. Um, what are, what are the rates? Anybody know? 00:08:28.226 --> 00:08:36.421 - There we go. Come on up. I was in one communicating with Mr. Simpson, and I sent him an email telling 00:08:36.421 --> 00:08:44.858 - him I was incorrect. The cost of the meter for us is $3,950. On our website, we have $2,600 as a deposit 00:08:44.858 --> 00:08:53.214 - for a safety deposit. We have a big box where everything comes in, and it can be locked on or whatever. 00:08:53.410 --> 00:09:00.197 - We used to be able to buy those at $2,600 for a two-inch and a little less for a one-inch. That person 00:09:00.197 --> 00:09:06.984 - who had the patent on it sold it to a distribution company, and they upcharge it now, and this is what 00:09:06.984 --> 00:09:13.640 - we charge. I'm working with Chris because the website isn't updated for actually how much it cost us 00:09:13.640 --> 00:09:20.427 - for that meter box. So yeah, and I send an email to Mr. Simpson letting him know that. And the reasons 00:09:20.427 --> 00:09:22.206 - why we don't allow private 00:09:22.658 --> 00:09:29.206 - Meters with backflow prevention devices on them just as a safety issue Yeah, and it's in a better way 00:09:29.206 --> 00:09:36.012 - for us to keep track of the the usage. Yeah Yeah, but and there is the the city's website offers a locked 00:09:36.012 --> 00:09:42.560 - meter or an unlocked meter. I didn't need a lock Nobody stole mine, you know mine's 300 bucks I don't 00:09:42.560 --> 00:09:48.980 - know I can probably save the city some money if you'd like me to start sourcing your water meters I 00:09:48.980 --> 00:09:52.126 - bet you I can get you a better deal You know, so 00:09:52.834 --> 00:10:00.103 - So that's a $2,600 deposit, right? You get it back when you're done using it, and then you pay the amount 00:10:00.103 --> 00:10:07.097 - of usage. Which doesn't bill unless it's over 1,000 gallons. Yeah, okay. My understanding, my limited 00:10:07.097 --> 00:10:14.434 - understanding. Yeah, well, I don't know where the 5,000 came from. Oh, okay. I knew we had just increased, 00:10:14.434 --> 00:10:19.646 - or the cost just increased to us, and that's what I thought the number was. 00:10:19.778 --> 00:10:26.890 - And I told him I check on it and I did. And that's when I replied to his email that I had the incorrect 00:10:26.890 --> 00:10:33.797 - number. I sent him the invoice of what we pay for it so he could see that I wasn't just giving him a 00:10:33.797 --> 00:10:41.182 - number. OK. But that was for the, I guess, in fairness, that was for the lockbox. We didn't need a lockbox. 00:10:41.182 --> 00:10:48.021 - We needed a $300 meter. And anything that's $2,000, $5,000, thousands, it should be hundreds. Yeah, 00:10:48.021 --> 00:10:49.662 - we have to get into it. 00:10:49.762 --> 00:10:56.345 - engineering parts of the specifications that we asked for. I don't know about those details, but our 00:10:56.345 --> 00:11:03.319 - folks could probably dig into a little bit of that. So the first part of your conversation was the locator 00:11:03.319 --> 00:11:09.968 - service that came to talk to you. Was that one of our contractors or was it one of our employees? One 00:11:09.968 --> 00:11:16.681 - of our employees, Dan Clearich. He's been here for over 30 years. Again, a different employee has been 00:11:16.681 --> 00:11:19.614 - here for a long time, had the locate ticket. 00:11:19.938 --> 00:11:25.983 - I had an email conversation with Mr. Simpson about the way they had filled out the locate on there. 00:11:25.983 --> 00:11:32.391 - It was a dig ticket, but there's a section in that locate that you fill out that you tell how deep you're 00:11:32.391 --> 00:11:38.678 - digging, how far you're digging, and that all said zero. Our original locator assumed that they weren't 00:11:38.678 --> 00:11:44.844 - digging in the ground based on that information, and so he put CBU okay. He could have went out there 00:11:44.844 --> 00:11:48.894 - and located the line, but he saw the locate ticket that said zero. 00:11:49.058 --> 00:11:55.295 - on there in depth and distance of the dig. And so he just put OK, because he didn't think they would 00:11:55.295 --> 00:12:01.595 - be digging down to our water main. When Mr. Claridge saw them out there digging, he got concerned. He 00:12:01.595 --> 00:12:07.894 - has a lot of concern about everything. And so he had this interaction with them and wanted to get the 00:12:07.894 --> 00:12:14.317 - line located and had concerns about someone digging out there without a locate, but there had been one. 00:12:14.317 --> 00:12:16.478 - Yeah, because we have our share of 00:12:17.986 --> 00:12:24.822 - All kinds of different diggings that are going on right now with fiber optics and everything else, and 00:12:24.822 --> 00:12:31.724 - we've got to keep a handle on that, I understand, yeah. Okay. I have five for my, I have another ticket 00:12:31.724 --> 00:12:38.493 - there. City's got it all marked. I have five recalls in it to get gas marked. I can't get gas marked. 00:12:38.493 --> 00:12:45.595 - Five calls. There's nothing you can do anymore. You can't dig. You can call all day. I've called everybody 00:12:45.595 --> 00:12:46.590 - from wherever. 00:12:46.946 --> 00:12:55.210 - Holy moly, it's supposed to do that within a certain amount of time. No, that's not how it works anymore. 00:12:55.210 --> 00:13:03.239 - Okay. The gas company has got a very powerful voice in the state legislature and they control the IURC 00:13:03.239 --> 00:13:11.191 - to our detriment and absolutely it is now the utility agency's benefit. The contractor, if they don't 00:13:11.191 --> 00:13:16.414 - locate it, you can't go until it has to be marked or a response of 00:13:16.898 --> 00:13:27.169 - cleared and marked, which I have on the other. And as far as an ambiguity to how I call my locate tickets, 00:13:27.169 --> 00:13:36.863 - I always call, always have for 20 years, I call unknown depth. I always say unknown. I mean, and the 00:13:36.863 --> 00:13:46.078 - latest exact ticks only allows them to enter a number. I don't know that they're entering zero. 00:13:46.306 --> 00:13:54.189 - they're told it's unknown. They're converting unknown to zero, not the same thing. The line above, they 00:13:54.189 --> 00:14:02.072 - can enter the term, the word unknown, but for depth, they can only enter a number, and they enter zero. 00:14:02.072 --> 00:14:09.879 - Design tickets, you can call a design ticket where there's no digging involved, but I don't understand 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:14.654 - why somebody would call a ticket with zero digging. Okay, Jim. 00:14:16.546 --> 00:14:24.958 - Thanks. I'm still confused about the $5,000. If that's a charge, would that all be reimbursed? Yes. 00:14:24.958 --> 00:14:33.537 - So it wouldn't be coming out of your pocket. I understand. Okay. Okay. Me and other parts of the city 00:14:33.537 --> 00:14:42.370 - aren't seeing eye to eye on getting paid right now. I have $5,000. I'd be happy to. But me giving $5,000 00:14:42.370 --> 00:14:45.566 - to the city of Bloomington that can't 00:14:45.698 --> 00:14:53.876 - pay me for work I did in March. I struggled with that. That's not your guy's fault, but I wasn't going 00:14:53.876 --> 00:15:02.134 - to give up five. I mean, we do this everywhere else and it's a couple of hundred bucks. Well, if you're 00:15:02.134 --> 00:15:10.075 - working for Parks and Rec and there's a requirement of $5,000, shouldn't Parks and Rec put that up? 00:15:10.075 --> 00:15:13.886 - I wouldn't have asked them to. I'm just asking. 00:15:14.146 --> 00:15:21.744 - They helped us get water. They brought us a tank out. I have tanks that I could have brought. 00:15:21.744 --> 00:15:30.150 - They had theirs. They're handy. I think they wanted to help us because they wanted to help. And we were 00:15:30.150 --> 00:15:38.395 - doing a pretty difficult task there. And we made it work. But it was a long way around. We had a long 00:15:38.395 --> 00:15:41.790 - work around. OK, thanks. Other questions? 00:15:44.098 --> 00:15:51.391 - Well, Mr. Simpson, I thank you for coming by because it's good for us to be able to interact with our 00:15:51.391 --> 00:15:58.612 - customers and folks doing work in the city. It provides us input about how operations flow and as we 00:15:58.612 --> 00:16:05.977 - continue to make decisions to make things work the best, it helps for us to hear different inputs. And 00:16:05.977 --> 00:16:12.126 - I appreciate that. It doesn't do me any favors to come in here. Yeah, it's your time. 00:16:12.226 --> 00:16:19.987 - it well it's not just that I mean you know down the road it you know it can it can always not go well 00:16:19.987 --> 00:16:27.672 - but you know well if you don't hear it and you don't hear it from me it's you know you don't hear it 00:16:27.672 --> 00:16:35.281 - then well you know I'd say in general you know our guidance and our the the real philosophy here is 00:16:35.281 --> 00:16:39.998 - that we try to do our best to work through complex things and 00:16:41.666 --> 00:16:49.112 - I've what I've learned over the years is that some of this stuff takes longer than you want it to. Nothing 00:16:49.112 --> 00:16:56.210 - simple anymore. That's right. And and I know that there are places that make things a lot easier, but 00:16:56.210 --> 00:17:03.308 - then they end up having bigger problems down the road sometimes to some places are just simpler. Some 00:17:03.308 --> 00:17:09.502 - folks don't have, you know, some municipalities don't have lines that have been laid 100 00:17:09.730 --> 00:17:16.314 - years ago that we're not quite sure where they are. And now we've got a layer of gas on top of that. 00:17:16.314 --> 00:17:23.158 - And now we've got a layer of fiber on top of that. And you live that every day. And we're having a tough 00:17:23.158 --> 00:17:29.937 - time with that, too. Folks are clipping our lines when they're putting fiber in these days. And we have 00:17:29.937 --> 00:17:36.521 - neighborhoods flooded because of that. And this is tough. And I appreciate you coming in and letting 00:17:36.521 --> 00:17:37.694 - us know about it. 00:17:38.402 --> 00:17:44.961 - Please do work with us and our staff. Give them as much time as you can. I know that you've got a contract 00:17:44.961 --> 00:17:51.152 - to get work done, and you only got so much time to get it. The more time it takes, the tougher it is 00:17:51.152 --> 00:17:57.404 - for you to make a living, and we get that, too. We pushed real hard to get that road open right away. 00:17:57.404 --> 00:18:03.656 - We shouldn't have. I poured that thing twice, because one, it didn't meet our standard, and there was 00:18:03.656 --> 00:18:07.518 - issues in the design. We tore it out. We did it a second time. 00:18:07.714 --> 00:18:13.577 - but going slower and taking a little bit more time might have done it once. I don't know. It doesn't 00:18:13.577 --> 00:18:19.498 - matter. It's done right now. Yeah, and they had some big events down there they were trying to get it 00:18:19.498 --> 00:18:25.012 - open for. I know how that is, yeah. Anyway, I appreciate it. Thank you, sir. We appreciate it. 00:18:25.012 --> 00:18:31.281 - Anything else? All right. Good. Thank you for coming by. All right. I failed to list our mission statement, 00:18:31.281 --> 00:18:37.086 - and that is that CBU's mission is to enhance the quality of life in our community by providing safe 00:18:37.282 --> 00:18:43.524 - sustainable and high-quality water, wastewater, and stormwater services in a cost-effective manner, 00:18:43.524 --> 00:18:49.952 - promoting public health, economic vitality, and environmental stewardship. And our vision is to be the 00:18:49.952 --> 00:18:56.506 - leading municipal water utility organization in Indiana and then also to remind all of our board members 00:18:56.506 --> 00:19:02.873 - that if you have any conflicts of interest on any of the items on our agenda this evening, to be sure 00:19:02.873 --> 00:19:05.182 - to recuse yourself from those items. 00:19:06.178 --> 00:19:15.852 - Okay next on our agenda is the certification of the executive session and I need to ask a question about 00:19:15.852 --> 00:19:25.157 - whether in our certification is that just a signature or do we need to vote on that? Okay well we've 00:19:25.157 --> 00:19:34.462 - all seen that in the minutes and just for the public record those watching at home for entertainment 00:19:34.786 --> 00:19:46.024 - this was the executive session that was held on May 26th and that lists the board members present as 00:19:46.024 --> 00:19:57.263 - required and no final decisions were made or subject matter discussed in the executive session other 00:19:57.263 --> 00:20:02.270 - than the subject matter specified herein and 00:20:03.522 --> 00:20:13.556 - We will just certify that we did that. And that will be in the record for this meeting's minutes. OK. 00:20:13.556 --> 00:20:23.492 - Next, then, is approval of the minutes of our previous meetings, May 26 special session and the June 00:20:23.492 --> 00:20:32.542 - 1 meeting. So first, has everyone had a chance to see the special session from May the 6th? 00:20:34.402 --> 00:20:42.184 - Yeah, May 26th, excuse me. Everybody good with that? I want to take a motion to approve the minutes 00:20:42.184 --> 00:20:50.198 - from the special session. I move that we approve the minutes from the special board session. It's been 00:20:50.198 --> 00:20:58.447 - moved and seconded. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Okay, motion carries. We got those minutes 00:20:58.447 --> 00:21:03.038 - from our special session. Taking care of next is June 1st. 00:21:03.426 --> 00:21:12.214 - our regular meeting. We've had a chance to review those minutes. Any questions or corrections? I move 00:21:12.214 --> 00:21:21.260 - that we approve the minutes from the last meeting. Second. All right, moved and seconded. Any discussion 00:21:21.260 --> 00:21:29.962 - on the minutes? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? All right, motion carries. Minutes are approved. 00:21:29.962 --> 00:21:33.150 - Next is standard invoices for today. 00:21:37.314 --> 00:21:45.025 - questions about the standard invoices. I assume that's us paying off previously installed panels that 00:21:45.025 --> 00:21:52.660 - we and then the health premium. That's just us paying for health insurance for employees. Okay. Just 00:21:52.660 --> 00:22:00.371 - a lot of large ticket items, but very essential items this month. Thank you, man. Do you know how far 00:22:00.371 --> 00:22:06.494 - we've how many how long we've got yet to pay on our lease purchase of the solar? 00:22:06.786 --> 00:22:16.117 - That I don't know. OK. Sure. And then I also saw there was a state board of account audit fee. I assume 00:22:16.117 --> 00:22:25.538 - that's just a standard thing that they do. And any issues with their audit? No, no. It's just a standard 00:22:25.538 --> 00:22:35.139 - operating procedure. Thank you. OK. The total for standard invoices is $2,412,075.46. Any other questions? 00:22:35.139 --> 00:22:36.126 - All right. 00:22:36.834 --> 00:22:45.589 - I move that we approve the standard invoices. Second. Moved and seconded to approve standard invoices. 00:22:45.589 --> 00:22:54.515 - Any other discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? All right. The standard invoices are approved. 00:22:54.515 --> 00:23:03.015 - And let's see. We've got revised utility bills next on the agenda due to in the record we had a mix 00:23:03.015 --> 00:23:05.310 - up with the tables that we 00:23:06.018 --> 00:23:21.335 - approved back on April the 1st. So that's been corrected to the correct amount being $10,204.09. So 00:23:21.335 --> 00:23:32.670 - any discussion on that correction? All right. I do have a question. Yeah. 00:23:32.930 --> 00:23:41.130 - relationship between the $206,000 and the $10,000? Like, is that going to be changed? So on the April 00:23:41.130 --> 00:23:49.330 - 1st meeting, or the June 1st, or April 1st, sorry, we just shared a wrong spreadsheet. So we paid the 00:23:49.330 --> 00:23:57.610 - correct amount, which was the $10,000, but we included the $200,000 spreadsheet in error. OK. So there 00:23:57.610 --> 00:24:01.630 - was never $200,000 involved? Correct. Got it. OK. 00:24:02.658 --> 00:24:12.373 - I move that we approve the memorandum. Second. All right. It's been moved and seconded to approve the 00:24:12.373 --> 00:24:22.468 - revised utility bills for April 1st. Any other discussion? All right. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? 00:24:22.468 --> 00:24:27.230 - All right. That done. And next are utility bills. 00:24:32.642 --> 00:25:01.758 - Find. Utility bills. Which page? 24. 24? You got 25, yeah. Ah, there they are. 00:25:02.146 --> 00:25:12.280 - Good. Yeah, it's utility bills for June 11th and the amount of $261,020.06. Any questions on the utility 00:25:12.280 --> 00:25:22.221 - bills? I see CBU in there. Are we paying ourselves? Is that a normal thing? Yeah, we do. Yes. We would 00:25:22.221 --> 00:25:31.486 - write ourselves a check. Sometimes we may have it. We don't give anything away for free, Grant. 00:25:31.970 --> 00:25:39.615 - We have to pay ourselves for our own water and wastewater. I think we get a discount. Yeah, 00:25:39.615 --> 00:25:48.340 - we get a discount, yeah. All right. Good. Will we approve the utility bills? Second. OK, it's been moved 00:25:48.340 --> 00:25:56.318 - and seconded to approve utility bills. Any other questions? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? 00:26:00.098 --> 00:26:11.885 - carries next are wire transfers in the amount of six hundred and fifty one thousand two hundred and 00:26:11.885 --> 00:26:23.672 - twenty nine nine dollars it looks like my page runs a little off there 221 221 okay all right there 00:26:23.672 --> 00:26:29.566 - we go any questions on the wire transfers typical 00:26:30.178 --> 00:26:39.861 - I move that we approve the wire transfer. Second. All right. Any other discussion? All in favor say 00:26:39.861 --> 00:26:49.932 - aye. Aye. Opposed? All right. Now we're up to customer refunds. A list there. Any questions on customer 00:26:49.932 --> 00:26:59.518 - refunds? Another assumption, but is a crossed meter adjustment when we cross up the meters between 00:26:59.938 --> 00:27:10.017 - Yep, you got a well-defined term. Thanks. All right, any other questions on customer refunds? All right. 00:27:10.017 --> 00:27:19.711 - I move that we approve the customer refunds. Second. OK, it's been moved and seconded to approve the 00:27:19.711 --> 00:27:28.062 - customer refunds. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? All right, refunds are approved. 00:27:29.282 --> 00:27:38.197 - accounts next are the special check run accounts payable distribution report these are all our bond 00:27:38.197 --> 00:27:47.469 - payments in the amount of four million nine hundred and ninety nine thousand five hundred forty dollars 00:27:47.469 --> 00:27:55.582 - and twenty one cents any questions on me what the sinking is it's a accounting term it's a 00:27:55.682 --> 00:28:04.446 - account that we move cash into to make sure we have the cash to cover these bond payments. I hope that 00:28:04.446 --> 00:28:13.041 - we approve the bond payments. Second. All right, movement seconded to approve the bond payments. All 00:28:13.041 --> 00:28:21.635 - in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? All right. We have done our obligation to the bonds for this part of 00:28:21.635 --> 00:28:23.422 - the year. Thank you. 00:28:24.642 --> 00:28:33.187 - Matt feels much better now, right? Exactly. All right. Next is the consent agenda. Director Zeiger. 00:28:33.187 --> 00:28:41.817 - Good evening. Catherine Zeiger, utilities director. I'm presenting tonight's consent agenda totaling 00:28:41.817 --> 00:28:51.045 - $8,350 with one contract for with Wheeler Coaching Systems LLC for $8,350 for executive leadership training 00:28:51.045 --> 00:28:53.694 - at the utility service center. 00:28:54.562 --> 00:29:02.234 - Is there any member who wishes to consider one or more of these items individually? Hearing none, if 00:29:02.234 --> 00:29:09.830 - there's no opposition, these items will be approved as recommended by staff. Hearing no opposition, 00:29:09.830 --> 00:29:17.502 - the consent agenda is approved. All right. Next is the request for approval of the Duke easement for 00:29:17.502 --> 00:29:24.414 - the Fire Training Center. And our attorney, Chris Wheeler, will give us an update on that. 00:29:26.178 --> 00:29:35.411 - Good evening, Chris Wheeler, City Legal. A few months ago, I was here before the board to discuss another 00:29:35.411 --> 00:29:44.644 - Duke easement that dealt with the new daycare facility up on Summit. This easement should look remarkably 00:29:44.644 --> 00:29:53.790 - the same. They are providing utility service to the new Bloomington Fire Building down on Winston Thomas 00:29:53.890 --> 00:30:01.292 - And the document they provided to us was the same one. We had the same issues. We asked them to make 00:30:01.292 --> 00:30:08.915 - a few changes. They made those same changes. And now we're before the board to ask for approval so that 00:30:08.915 --> 00:30:16.244 - utility service can be run through the easement to the building and provide them with the necessary 00:30:16.244 --> 00:30:21.374 - service. All right. Any questions for Chris on the easement approval? 00:30:24.514 --> 00:30:33.943 - Looks like we've got good progress going on the building down there. Sounds like it. Yeah. We approve 00:30:33.943 --> 00:30:43.742 - the memorandum with Duke. Second. All right. Moved and seconded to approve the easement with Duke Energy. 00:30:43.742 --> 00:30:52.894 - All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? All right. Motion is approved. Thank you. Next is the request. 00:30:53.250 --> 00:31:04.871 - for approval of the service agreement with GRIP, Incorporated. Hi, folks. I'm Matt Dabberton. I'm the 00:31:04.871 --> 00:31:16.264 - environmental program coordinator for CBU. This is another contract with GRIP, Incorporated for the 00:31:16.264 --> 00:31:22.302 - maintenance of our sewer level and corrosion sensors 00:31:22.402 --> 00:31:30.997 - our sewer system, so they're installed in about 20 different manholes throughout the system. They measure 00:31:30.997 --> 00:31:39.106 - the sewer level, which helps us monitor for overflows and backups, as well as corrosion. We've used 00:31:39.106 --> 00:31:47.296 - grip for the past four-ish years to maintain these sensors, and so this is another year of the same, 00:31:47.296 --> 00:31:48.350 - essentially. 00:31:48.482 --> 00:31:57.179 - I'm just continuing to maintain these into mid-2027. So I'm happy to answer any questions. Thanks, man. 00:31:57.179 --> 00:32:05.625 - Just curious, are the sensors moved around year to year, or do you pretty much keep them in the same 00:32:05.625 --> 00:32:14.071 - 20-ish locations? We budget for a certain number of relocations. I think it's around eight or so for 00:32:14.071 --> 00:32:17.918 - this year. I'd have to check the quote that's 00:32:18.434 --> 00:32:27.557 - included in that contract. So they do get moved around occasionally. We have some that we leave in place. 00:32:27.557 --> 00:32:36.509 - A lot of them are in known locations where we've had troubles with overflows in the past. OK, any other 00:32:36.509 --> 00:32:45.374 - questions, discussion? All right. I move that we approve the contract with Griff Incorporated. Second. 00:32:46.498 --> 00:32:55.288 - Moved and seconded to approve this contract with Grip Incorporated. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? 00:32:55.288 --> 00:33:03.994 - All right. Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. Next is a request for approval of the third amendment 00:33:03.994 --> 00:33:12.446 - to the service agreement with VET Environmental Engineering LLC. Hi. Chris Wheeler, City Legal. I'm 00:33:12.446 --> 00:33:15.742 - going to look at something real quick. 00:33:15.874 --> 00:33:45.726 - if you'll just bear with me, please. Okay, so when you're looking at the memo 00:33:47.106 --> 00:33:54.450 - So this is for an amendment to the VET agreement. It's ongoing preparation for litigation, but the memo 00:33:54.450 --> 00:34:01.722 - suggests that the agreement is for 25,000. The actual adjustment to the existing agreement is $205.51. 00:34:01.722 --> 00:34:08.854 - The total of the not to exceed is 25,549.08. So that's what I wanted to look at. I didn't think that 00:34:08.854 --> 00:34:15.774 - looked right on the memo. The memo's wrong, the contract controls were good to go. We should see, 00:34:17.058 --> 00:34:23.409 - Another amendment come down the line because mediation did not, was not successful is ongoing, but it's 00:34:23.409 --> 00:34:29.637 - currently not successful. There will need to be, they may actually take, this is just for preparation 00:34:29.637 --> 00:34:35.927 - to get ready for the deposition. There's going to be very likely a deposition taken. So we're probably 00:34:35.927 --> 00:34:42.033 - going to see another amendment. And if we get to trial and vet has to testify, we're probably going 00:34:42.033 --> 00:34:45.758 - to see one more after that. So that's what we're looking at. 00:34:46.178 --> 00:34:52.920 - And I'm happy to take any questions as long as we're not getting into litigation itself. All right. 00:34:52.920 --> 00:35:00.067 - So Chris, so just to clarify, the total on the contract is what we're approving is just a small increase. 00:35:00.067 --> 00:35:07.079 - $205.51 today is what you're approving. All right. You're going to see a much bigger one this next time 00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:13.214 - around if in fact the deposition takes place. I would expect. All right. That makes sense. 00:35:15.106 --> 00:35:23.152 - Questions or discussions on this? Well, we appreciate your continued work on it. I guess we're ready 00:35:23.152 --> 00:35:31.198 - for the question. The motion. The motion, yes. I move that we approve the amendment to the agreement 00:35:31.198 --> 00:35:39.563 - with that environmental. Second. So moved and seconded. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay, motion 00:35:39.563 --> 00:35:42.590 - carries. Thank you, Chris. Thank you. 00:35:45.154 --> 00:35:53.295 - We have the request for approval of the third amendment to the service agreement with, excuse me, change 00:35:53.295 --> 00:36:01.513 - order number three, the approval with Crider and Crider. Kevin White's here. Yes, thank you. Kevin White, 00:36:01.513 --> 00:36:09.343 - Capital Projects Coordinator. This is the final change order. This is just to rectify quantities and 00:36:09.343 --> 00:36:11.902 - provide CBU a deduct of $14,800. 00:36:12.290 --> 00:36:19.802 - So the project is finalized. We're waiting on a final payment from the grant folks to provide that with 00:36:19.802 --> 00:36:27.097 - the retainage to Crider, and then the project's done. So I'm happy to answer any questions. So we're 00:36:27.097 --> 00:36:33.886 - saving money on this one. A little bit. Yes, sir. All right. Better than the other way. Yeah. 00:36:36.290 --> 00:36:44.605 - No, we had planned for additional tree removal. And they didn't have to get into those on one side of 00:36:44.605 --> 00:36:53.245 - the building. It was predominantly just on the north side. So that $14,800 is related to the tree removal 00:36:53.245 --> 00:37:01.560 - and landscape restoration in that area. Great. Other questions? Discussion? All right. I move that we 00:37:01.560 --> 00:37:06.206 - approve the change order with Crider and Crider. Second. 00:37:07.682 --> 00:37:16.502 - All right, it's been moved and seconded to approve the change order. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? 00:37:16.502 --> 00:37:25.154 - All right. Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Next up is old business. And if I remember 00:37:25.154 --> 00:37:33.554 - right, we had one item that was kind of left over from a couple of weeks ago from the citizens that 00:37:33.554 --> 00:37:36.158 - came to talk to us about their 00:37:36.962 --> 00:37:45.179 - flow issues. Yeah, on Cottage Grove. That's right. Thank you. Hi. Good evening. Phil Peden engineering. 00:37:45.179 --> 00:37:53.554 - So we've been investigating this and working with James group. And so we've we've reviewed the televising 00:37:53.554 --> 00:38:01.454 - reports on different sections of the sewer near the home. We're also scheduling a smoke testing and 00:38:01.454 --> 00:38:06.590 - dye testing. So dye testing, we have to enter the home. So we're 00:38:06.754 --> 00:38:14.165 - We've reached out to David, the property manager. We haven't reached him, but we're trying to get that 00:38:14.165 --> 00:38:21.359 - set up. And then we'll smoke test. What we're trying to do is see if there's some place where storm 00:38:21.359 --> 00:38:28.770 - sewer got tied into sanitary sewer recently. And so within the last year, CBU has replaced some of the 00:38:28.770 --> 00:38:33.950 - sewer mains in this sewer system. And so we're trying to see if somehow 00:38:34.370 --> 00:38:41.819 - what we considered a lateral was some type of storm drain that was tied in. We reviewed the pre-videos 00:38:41.819 --> 00:38:49.051 - and the post-videos since the sewer was built. We don't see anything that stands out there, but the 00:38:49.051 --> 00:38:55.198 - smoke tells us, so we want to see if that will indicate anything. We also threw some 00:38:55.554 --> 00:39:02.538 - details that we uncovered. I guess when the plumber was out, they snaked what they call snaked the line, 00:39:02.538 --> 00:39:09.322 - ran something down the line to try to clear it. And that went about 150 feet across the intersection, 00:39:09.322 --> 00:39:16.173 - went down Dunn Street till they ran out of line. And when Paul Chastain used the camera to go up their 00:39:16.173 --> 00:39:22.891 - lateral from Cottage Grove is where they're tied in, it just went a short distance right through the 00:39:22.891 --> 00:39:25.086 - house. So what I believe is that 00:39:25.442 --> 00:39:32.245 - it's possible they have two separate laterals. One went to the basement floor drain, then possibly they 00:39:32.245 --> 00:39:38.852 - changed that into a rental where they started to separate the home into different apartments, like a 00:39:38.852 --> 00:39:45.720 - triplex or duplex type setup, and they needed an additional restroom, so they added a toilet, a bathroom 00:39:45.720 --> 00:39:52.327 - in that basement, tied it into the drain that was already there, might have been tied into the storm 00:39:52.327 --> 00:39:54.878 - sewer. So that additional lateral that 00:39:55.106 --> 00:40:00.682 - goes a different direction, might be tied to storm, it might have got hit by fiber optic. It was in 00:40:00.682 --> 00:40:06.425 - the public right away. It obviously crosses the intersection and goes down Dunn Street from the report 00:40:06.425 --> 00:40:12.112 - we heard. That could have been struck by fiber because it wouldn't have been located. So there's some 00:40:12.112 --> 00:40:17.743 - possibilities that we're looking into, but we're hopeful that the dye test will tell us which system 00:40:17.743 --> 00:40:21.758 - it's tied into first, and then maybe the smoke will indicate some other 00:40:22.018 --> 00:40:30.459 - areas where storm sewer storm water may be entering the system. Interesting. Well, thank you for following 00:40:30.459 --> 00:40:38.349 - up on that and staying in touch with the customer. We can find some solutions either on our side or 00:40:38.349 --> 00:40:46.395 - their side. I hope so because you know with they've had seven backups in less than a year something's 00:40:46.395 --> 00:40:49.630 - changed dramatically and he said they've 00:40:49.986 --> 00:40:58.582 - had the property or I thought they said 19 years and it hadn't happened. So something definitely changed 00:40:58.582 --> 00:41:06.850 - and we want to find out what it was. I might actually want to add my two cents on the gentleman that 00:41:06.850 --> 00:41:15.200 - spoke earlier. I just feel like if you steal a candy bar from Walmart or you steal a big screen, it's 00:41:15.200 --> 00:41:16.510 - the same crime. 00:41:17.058 --> 00:41:24.178 - And so if you steal a gallon of water versus a thousand gallons, it's the same crime. But I think what 00:41:24.178 --> 00:41:31.160 - we've seen, we've dealt with this in the past where you rent these water meters and they're supposed 00:41:31.160 --> 00:41:38.141 - to put them on. They're broken. They haven't brought them back into calibrate. So there's a, there's 00:41:38.141 --> 00:41:45.054 - a drive-by test and the crews are aware of it and other utility employees are aware that if you see 00:41:45.474 --> 00:41:52.286 - someone using a hydrant, you want to make sure they're using the proper one that has a meter with the 00:41:52.286 --> 00:41:59.231 - proper backflow device. So on this project, it wasn't any utility work. It was just parks. Maybe street 00:41:59.231 --> 00:42:06.109 - might have been there inspecting. They're not going to know that. They're going to just look, is there 00:42:06.109 --> 00:42:13.054 - a meter on that? And so it passes the drive-by test. It passes the test with the other city departments 00:42:13.054 --> 00:42:14.590 - that might be looking. 00:42:14.754 --> 00:42:22.057 - but you wouldn't know that was it a CBU authorized meter and you wouldn't know that it had the proper 00:42:22.057 --> 00:42:29.576 - backflow device. So it's not uncommon for contractors to be somewhat sneaky and put a meter that doesn't 00:42:29.576 --> 00:42:36.879 - work on there or one that he's bought that looks like a legit meter. And without him bringing in that 00:42:36.879 --> 00:42:44.254 - paperwork for us to set that account up, I doubt he's ever gonna pay. He said he read the meter twice, 00:42:44.610 --> 00:42:52.020 - Did he send the meter reading to us? So the other big component is it's theft if it's not turned in, 00:42:52.020 --> 00:42:59.723 - but it's also the risk to the public water supply. Matt Dabberton is here this evening working. He works 00:42:59.723 --> 00:43:07.720 - stringently on the back flow and protecting the water system. And without the proper ones that we authorize, 00:43:07.720 --> 00:43:11.902 - and you see, oh, that one cost $2,600 and his cost $300, 00:43:12.258 --> 00:43:19.667 - may not meet the standards to protect the system. So I think there's a lot more to it that he didn't 00:43:19.667 --> 00:43:27.076 - explain once you've been here a while, you realize. So just wanted to share that. Thank you. Thanks. 00:43:27.076 --> 00:43:34.558 - Can I ask a question on that? Can you just explain with the smoke and dye tests how that works? Sure. 00:43:35.426 --> 00:43:41.984 - We have some very strong dye. It only takes a few drops. You put that in the sink, run it a while, or 00:43:41.984 --> 00:43:48.478 - you flush the toilet. We can go downstream and we can put someone watching the storm manhole and the 00:43:48.478 --> 00:43:54.972 - sewer manhole, and then we can see which line that comes through. And so it's bright green, red, and 00:43:54.972 --> 00:44:01.466 - I think there may be another color, but it's pretty evident. The only challenge you get sometimes is 00:44:01.466 --> 00:44:02.366 - it's so dark. 00:44:02.530 --> 00:44:09.147 - if the manhole's really deep, that you can't see color at that depth. So usually I have to have a flashlight 00:44:09.147 --> 00:44:15.278 - in the point that it's that deep. The smoke testing, we have these industrial stress smoke bombs and 00:44:15.278 --> 00:44:21.530 - Matt Wilson, our technician said, I don't know how many we've got in supply, but it's close to the 4th 00:44:21.530 --> 00:44:27.843 - of July. I'll just go down to the fireworks store, check out if we need some, but no, they're more like 00:44:27.843 --> 00:44:29.118 - industrial strength. 00:44:29.218 --> 00:44:36.362 - Smoke bombs and they last about a minute and a half and we have a Gas-powered fan that sits perfectly 00:44:36.362 --> 00:44:43.436 - over a manhole that has a chamber on the side So you light the smoke bomb set it in the chamber kick 00:44:43.436 --> 00:44:50.650 - the fan on and it'll blow the smoke up the line and it obviously finds finds a relief point and so you 00:44:50.650 --> 00:44:58.494 - Once you do that start the smoke test. You'll see it coming out of all the bathroom vents in the home as you go 00:44:58.850 --> 00:45:05.593 - And sometimes you might see it. We're trying to see if it's coming out of a down. That's properly plumbed 00:45:05.593 --> 00:45:12.209 - home. That's where you're going to see it. If it comes out of a downspout or a gutter or a, or a garage 00:45:12.209 --> 00:45:18.571 - drain or a floor drain or a, or a clean out in the yard, then we've obviously got spots where water 00:45:18.571 --> 00:45:25.251 - could be coming in, uh, in those locations. Is there going to, what's the advantage of one versus other? 00:45:25.251 --> 00:45:26.014 - Uh, so the, 00:45:26.370 --> 00:45:35.300 - What happens with the way the interior plumbing is, the smoke won't come back up through. So you can't 00:45:35.300 --> 00:45:44.576 - tell exactly where you're connected in the home. You can tell outside if something's improperly connected. 00:45:44.576 --> 00:45:53.505 - So you have to have the dye testing for the internal check and smoke for external. Thanks. Good follow 00:45:53.505 --> 00:45:55.326 - up there. Thank you. 00:45:58.370 --> 00:46:07.157 - OK. Any other old business from the board? Any other old business from staff? OK. New business from 00:46:07.157 --> 00:46:15.943 - the board? New business from staff? We didn't have any subcommittees, I don't think, since the last 00:46:15.943 --> 00:46:24.906 - meeting. So staff reports. First, we'd like to congratulate Garrett Hill and TND, who was promoted to 00:46:24.906 --> 00:46:27.454 - the specialized crew leader. 00:46:28.706 --> 00:46:38.239 - And I'd also like to recognize our 2025 and slash 2026 Herdy Award recipients. First is Kevin Williams, 00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:47.863 - who is celebrating 45 years of service in the water industry. For reference, the Herdy Awards are awards 00:46:47.863 --> 00:46:57.854 - that recognize individuals having 25 years or more of service with one or more Indiana public water utility. 00:46:59.106 --> 00:47:09.466 - Um, so yeah, uh, first, Kevin Williams, who has served in the water industry for 45 years. Next is Craig 00:47:09.466 --> 00:47:19.529 - Abbott who served for 35 years. Eric love who served for 30 years, Al McKaylee for 30 years, uh, Mike 00:47:19.529 --> 00:47:28.606 - Runyon for 30 years, uh, Brian Shipley for 30 years. And finally, Davey Myers for 25 years. 00:47:29.186 --> 00:47:36.688 - Thank you all for your many, many years of service to the utilities. That's great. Thanks. Good to have 00:47:36.688 --> 00:47:44.551 - that in the record. Thank you, Kat. Any other reports from staff? All right. We're good. Any other petitions 00:47:44.551 --> 00:47:52.414 - or communications from the public? Anyone else? All right. Seeing none, I think we are adjourned. Thank you.