Okay, welcome to our public meeting regarding our rate case. Today, we are gonna go a little more in depth into the rate case. We are joined today by Jennifer Wilson, our consultant with Crow, who's gonna review our revenue requirements report. We are joined by consultants from Stantec, who will review our cost of service study and rate allocation. And we also have Mark Menafee, our capital projects engineer. and Matt Havy, our Assistant Director of Finance to help answer any questions people may have. With that, I'll hand it off to Jennifer. Thank you, Kat. I'm Jennifer Wilson with Crow, and I have served as the rate consultant to prepare the revenue requirement analysis for Bloomington Water Utility. Next slide, please. As part of our task, we go in and we look at 2022, 2023, and 2024 and we look at the balance sheet and all the other financial statements of the utility. We use the year end 2024 as the test year, and we made adjustments to it for fixed known and measurable changes, which then computes to the revenue requirements of the operation and maintenance expenses, current and proposed debt and lease payments, and annual extensions and replacements, which is paying for capital items with cash. Next tab. Some of the key considerations out of doing the study is that you have $84 million worth of projects that need to be done. And we have proposed two bond issuances that will fund 54.5 million of those projects. The rest of it will be funded with cash on hand as the revenues come in year over year. And we're having that, that's called extensions and replacements. And that will be increased to $7.1 million of annual funding from revenues each year. Next slide. When we looked at the operation and maintenance expenses as compared to revenues, the first columns of lines there, the first one is 2022 and the revenues came in about $20 million and the expenses were 18.1. which meant that the utility had about $1.9 million of annual funding of capital improvements. And as I said before, we're gonna increase that up to $7.1 million. The set next year in 2023, it was a negative $1.9 million. And in 2024, there was $3.8 million as there was a rate increase in the beginning of the year 2024. Next slide. We've looked at the year of 2024 and made adjustments for fixed known and measurable items and then include the payment of shared services and pilot. So there was about $3.2 million worth of adjustments that we made from the test year to what a pro forma year is gonna be in 2025. Next slide. This graph shows operation and maintenance and taxes and what that a total of $14.9 million of operation and maintenance and taxes goes towards. So a majority of it, 42%, is going towards employee costs for salaries and wages and the related employee costs related to that. Purchase power is about 11% of that total. And you can see the other lines dividing out what those other expenses are. Next, Pam. As I said, there's a capital improvement plan of $84 million. We are funding $54 million with bonds and those two bonds will be done in 2026 and 2028. Our goal, which I'll show it here in the next slide is that we are doing capitalized interest when we fund those bonds so that we're not increasing debt service and we'll be utilizing the debt roll off and I'll show that in the next slide. But we are funding about 28 million with cash on hand over that four year time period. Next slide. The next one. There we go. This is the debt. And so currently the debt service is at $7.1 million and will continue that way until the year 2029. And then it drops down to $1.7 million. We're taking that opportunity to fund $54.5 million worth of projects by financing those projects through two series of bond issues so that the debt service goes back up to $7.1 million and is maintained at that level for a number of years. So basically we're filling in the reduction in debt service with the issuance of new debt and thus being able to get a lot of the improvements that Kat will talk about. Next slide. Here's the total revenue requirements. The big dark blue one is the operation and maintenance expenses, and that's at $14.4 million. Taxes is $475,000. Debt service, as I said, is at $7.1 million right now, and will continue that way after the issuance of debt. And then annual extensions and replacements, which is funding for capital projects with cash as it comes in each year, is gonna be set at 7.1 million. That's a total of $29.1 million of revenue requirements. We currently are bringing in 22.6 million. So that's a deficit of $6.5 million that needs to be made up with rates. So we're proposing a revenue increase of 30.5%. Now that does not mean everyone's bill will go up 30.5%. What that means is that we need revenues to go up 30.5% the next person that will be speaking, Stantec, they have prepared a cost of service study to allocate those expenses to the customer classes that are causing those expenses so that those that are causing the expenses will have a larger increase than 30.5 and those classes that are not, might not see a 30.5% increase. So that's a long way of saying that rates are determined by the cost of service study. That's my presentation. And at this point, I'm going to hand it over to Stantec, who prepared, who's the cost of service study expert. So Andy or Danica? Good evening, everyone. Danica Katz with Stantec. We also have Andy Burnham on from Stantec as well. As Jennifer mentioned, as well as Kat, this evening we're going to be presenting on the cost allocation and rate design component of this rate case and we'll step through each of those pieces. So next slide please. All right, I just want to highlight here some of the objectives of the cost of service analysis. So what we do is we utilize the revenue requirements that Jennifer just talked through as our test year and as defined by Crow, which ultimately flow into the cost of service analysis. And what we do is we utilize that to go through all of the expenses, things of that nature, and go through and functionalize those costs, and ultimately divvy those up by customer class. And the goal of that is to determine the cost to serve each class compared to the current revenues that are being collected by each of those classes. So ultimately, just to become consistent with the cost of providing service for each of those customer classes. As we go through the study, one of the big things I want to point out here is that for this pre-case, we've utilized city AMI or automated metering infrastructure, which has really allowed us to use data-driven data-driven customer data in order to come up with peaking factors that are specifically from that data. We've also used 2024 billing records as a basis for the analysis. And then just also want to highlight here that as we go through the cost of service process, this is very much along with AWWA industry guidance. as we approach the base extra capacity methodology for this cost allocation. Next slide, please. And so here's the cost of service summary that came out of our analysis. And as Jennifer mentioned, you can see in that top right corner as well as in the blue bars, that 30.5% overall increase. compared to the orange bar, which is the existing or current revenue for each of those customer classes along the bottom axis there. So what that would show is there's a 19.8% increase for residential, whereas general service may see slightly higher than that, at about 42%. It just shows that spread based on the findings from the cost of service. across those different customer classes. You can see public fire protection going down at that 17.2%. And to Jennifer's point there that not everyone is seeing that 30.5% based on the cost of service findings specific to those customer classes. And so once we get through the cost of service summary and get to the findings there by customer class, that ultimately drives the proposed rates that you're seeing here compared to the current rates that are in place. On the left-hand side, you'll see the charges specific to the fixed component. So the base charge that goes up by meter size. So what you'll see there is starting at that smallest 5 eighths meter, currently at that $6.50. And then you're seeing that proposed rate there on the right hand of that table at $8.16. And that scales up by those meter sizes. On the right hand side we showed the component for the usage or what's sometimes referred to as the volumetric per thousand gallons. And so we've shown each of the individual customer classes as well as their current and proposed rate. So you can see there for residential currently at that $4.38 and then the $5.31 under the cost of service or proposed rates there and so forth, or IU master meter as well as wholesale general service and irrigation. And we'll also be pulling all of this together kind of into a summary that shows some of those impacts for some specific customers or more common customers for each of those classes. So we can jump to that next slide, which should show those. Oh, sorry, I forgot the public fire protection and private fire protection. So through the rate design, we've also gone ahead and done something very similar to what we did on the regular rates and go ahead and calculate those for the public from both inside city as well as outside city. And that leftmost table also by meter size. And you can see there that those rates are like decrease from the current rates and that is in line with the cost of service graph that you saw in a couple of the prior slides. And then on the right side, we've got our private fire connections or private fire lines by line size with the current rates there and then the proposed rate. We should have the customer impacts. Perfect. So we wanted to show here some monthly bill impacts for a residential customer at a five-case meter, that smallest meter size. So we've shown a handful of usages in thousand gallons on that leftmost column, as well as that current bill, which would include the fixed component, their volumetric usage charge, as well as the public fire protection charge. So you can kind of see all of those tables that we just looked at kind of all snapped together here to get the full picture of what those impacts would be. So for someone who's using maybe 1,000 gallons, a smaller residential user, we'll see a $2.32 change for that monthly bill, which is about $17.8. And then you can see for some of those larger users, just a slightly higher impact there on the dollar change. And then next slide, we have something similar for the general service category, which includes your commercial customers, industrial, interdepartmental customers of that type. And so we're showing two different situations here at three-quarter inch meter, small, medium, and large, at that 1,000, 5,000, and 10,000 increment. So for that small three-quarter inch commercial meter, maybe seeing about a $3.30 change there, or about a $22. and a little bit higher on those larger meters with a little bit larger usage. And then also wanted to show a one inch meter down below as well. Those are the two most common meter sizes for the general surface category. So we're showing a 15,000 gallon, a 20,000 gallon, and a 25,000 gallon user there. see that those charges are anywhere from $32.85 up to that $54. And these also contain the city public fire protection charge as well. And next slide, I think that was all that we had. So happy to answer any questions that may come up. Next question. Should I go up there? Sure. I don't have to. You don't have to. Can I go back to that, the graph slide you talked about, to set inches for each category? Yeah, absolutely. Glad you can hear me. One more. There we go. That one there, yep. OK. The first question is just in terms of terminology. I think we're used to seeing those commercial, industrial, interdepartmental broken out. And why is it that those are grouped into general service now? Yeah, great question. So one of the pieces to this analysis, specifically for the general service, with the AMI data that we have, we're able to go through pretty data-driven intense analysis on the AMI data and we're able to determine that the commercial and industrial classes behaved very similarly when it came to their demands, usage, things of that nature, as well as the fact that the industrial class is very small. I believe there's only 17 or 18 accounts specifically within that class. And so through discussions, we talked with the city about consolidating that Commercial and industrial into a general service class and so that's why you see those kind of rolled up here in this presentation If you were to look at the current rates versus the proposed rates That's the overall percent increase in revenue for that customer class, not specifically the rate increases, because those are dependent on the meter size and the usage and things of that nature. Right. Could we, sometime well before the September 8 meeting, see the percentage-wise increases in rates for the current rates versus these that are proposed. Yeah, absolutely. So on the tables that are on the next slide, I'd like to see the percent changes there. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, this is a little bit of a bigger ask, but seeing the historical changes over our last few rates increases would be useful as well, I think. That's something that you wouldn't be responsible for, but maybe staff can do to show what's happened historically. Yeah, we can work with staff to show something like that in there. And then let's go back to that slide right before this one. Oh, sorry. So go back to that. I have one more question. I mean, one you just had. Yeah. So when you show the two current rates for general service, Are those the two for commercial and industrial? Correct. Yep. Yes, one of those represents the current rate for industrial and the current rate for commercial. OK. I mean, it might be useful just to break those out into two lines. General service used to be just two lines, I think, would be helpful for comparison purposes. Anyway, yeah. That's a lot. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. Great question. And then, so I mean, I did this on my own based on current rates and the new increases and what the percentage increases would be. So if the residential rates are going up less than those of the other customer categories, is it reasonable to say that our residential customers have been subsidizing these other customer classes. I guess I'm being cautioned against drawing that kind of a conclusion because we really looked at a test year and the customer usage characteristics and cost in that year and it's very well recognized that We do these cost of service allocations. They are to a degree a snapshot in time. And so while we try to normalize the test here, there can certainly be variances and fluctuations from one year to the next. So I don't know that I'd necessarily draw a room for that conclusion, because we've not had a chance to do that analysis to see what's really transpired in those years. But if you had the data from all the years before, since the last rate increase, you'd be able to do that? I mean, in essence, you could go back and do a true up, if you will, based on actuals to say, well, how did our rates perform if we have the AMI information for those historical periods? And the cost in the appropriate degree of detail, that type of analysis could be performed. But there very well may be some data limitations in terms of the level of precision you can do that with from the AMI system. That data, I don't know how far back that goes to the last rate case, which was filed in 2021. Sure, and the level of effort involved, I understand. Absolutely. Good one as well. OK. Well, are there any instances where there's a proposed increase that doesn't fully account for the cost of any particular customer class at this time? I think I'll let Danica speak to it a little more specifically, but I do believe for the irrigation and service classification, that does reflect the limitation of the increase for this particular case. Is that in the report that we can have access to and read? At present, the report hasn't been prepared. It will be developed as part of the application and filing materials. be putting kind of the narrative together about the cost of service outcomes, but it will certainly be identified in terms of what the full cost of service is for irrigation and what's been proposed this year. I'll say this is a substantial step towards cost of service, but it's stopping just short of that, recognizing the magnitude of the increase that's presented here. Thank you, sir. So just to clarify, even though irrigation as a customer class has a very large increase and still not enough to cover the entire cost of service. Yes. That's correct. Yes. Could someone maybe talk a little bit about what that customer class is? Because I think when people see irrigation, they think, oh, CBU knows that I'm using this water to water my lawn, which is, of course, not the case. That would be creepy. So what is irrigation as a customer class? Give us some examples so that we understand who these people are, whose rates are going to be increasing the most. Sure. So our irrigation customer class is a mix of residential, general service, and IU. We don't have any wholesale irrigation customers. This is based on irrigation meters. So there are specific meters that are irrigation only meters. And those meters are what are going to have these rates. So yes, CBU is not able to know whether or not you're using your garden hose at home to water your garden. And that's not what this is about. This is specifically for metered water that is specific to irrigation. So it's a little more large scale type of irrigation. So Indiana University has some meters that are irrigation meters. Yes. Those are built differently than Indiana University meters. Yes. As long as we're bringing up Indiana University, last time around they were an intravenor. This time around there were some required meetings that had to take place. I think the intent was to Increase the probability that potential interveners might be, I don't know, more coordinated or on the same page with the cost of service approach to avoid the need for an intervening case. Without speaking on behalf of Indiana University, is CBU optimistic that this case is going to proceed without the kind of intervention that we saw last time around? I'm going to actually offer Dave McGimsey to answer that question. He's been helping us through the legal process. We don't know. more for water here in Bloomington based on this proposed increase? We also had a few more slides to explain the rate increases a little bit more. to talk about our capital improvement projects. I didn't want to interrupt. There was good questions happening. So I think we can go forward with that and then we can take some more questions after that. All right. So just a little background on CBU. So we are a municipally owned water, wastewater and stormwater utility service. We serve the residents of Bloomington and the surrounding area. We operate under the guidance of a seven member utility service board and that board is appointed by both the mayor and city council. We're responsible for the treatment and distribution of drinking water for the city of Bloomington through the Monroe water treatment plant seen here. It has been owned and operated since its construction in 1967. We are also the sole provider of water to Monroe County. In addition to our water services, we also handle the collection, treatment, and disposal of wastewater through the ownership and operation of two wastewater treatment facilities, Dillman Road wastewater treatment plant and Blucher Pool wastewater treatment plant. This rate case is specifically for water though, and this is specifically a water rate case which is not associated with sewer. We also manage the collection and disposal of stormwater for the city of Bloomington. We currently employ approximately 195 full and part-time employees, and we all work diligently to provide water quality service to Bloomington residents, and our staff is very proud of the work that we do. So this is a slide that Stantec had. I added to the side here just to help with a little clarity what the difference between the current and proposed rates are for both the fixed charges and usage charges for our different customer classes. So you may notice in our fixed charges based on meter size, after one and one half meter and larger, the proposed rate actually goes down. And that again is based off of the information we got from the cost of service study. For our different customer classes, residential, we'll see their usage charge go up 93 cents. General service, which again, we talked about commercial and industrial, we'll see their charges go up $1.85 and $2.12 respectively. Wholesale, we'll see an increase of $1.46 per unit. IU master meter, we'll see $1.77 increase. and their non-master metered charges will go up $1.85. And then irrigation, which we discussed a bit in our questions, will have an increase of $6 per unit. Again, a unit is 1,000 gallons of water. Our public fire protection, which I wanted to kind of simplify a little bit. When you talk about public fire protection, we're talking about You know, the service of our hydrants, the cost to maintain those, to make sure that our emergency personnel can reliably have that water when they need it. And so most customers have public fire protection. And so all of the public fire protection rates have actually gone down because of the data provided in our cost of service study. And then next, we'll talk about the private fire protection. These rates have gone up. And what private fire protection is is basically fire lines. So you imagine a building with a sprinkler system. This is what private fire protection is versus the public fire protection. Danica did a good job of looking at just kind of how your water bills would go up and looking at those percent changes. For those of you who were here on Monday, you may recognize this slide. This is my own bill. And so I just like to show how a regular single family residential users bill may change after this rate increase. And so my current charges for this past month with a small sanitation cart and using three units of water was 7101. After our rate increase, or after the proposed rate increase, it would change to 7535. The average for single-family residential usage is about 3.5 units. But really we see anywhere between three and five being pretty standard bills for a single family residential home. I also wanted to take a look at where our rates, where our proposed rates will put us in comparison to cities and towns in Indiana with over 25,000 people population. So our combined water and sewer rate is currently 24th out of these 39 cities and towns. The proposed changes to water will only take us up to potentially 23. You may note in this slide, apologies if it's hard to see, but every city or town that has a two next to it in parentheses, that means that there is a proposed rate change for that city or town in the future. So this may shuffle and will likely shuffle again lower in this list. Here's that same list, but now we're just looking at our water rate. So our water rate right now puts us at 30th of 39, so we're in the lower third. This potential rate increase for water will keep us still in that lower half of rates in the state of Indiana. All right, and now I'm gonna take a moment to look at some of our capital improvement plan projects. So I think one of the questions people ask is how much, and then the second question they're going to ask is what are you going to use it for? So I'd like to present some of the projects that we are planning to use these additional funds for. So first I'll start with water treatment plant projects. In total, we're planning on spending $30.7 million in projects just at our water treatment plant. These projects include electrical upgrades. These electrical upgrades will update our obsolete systems, increase resiliency and provide enhanced cybersecurity at our plants. We also have a project to rehabilitate our sedimentation basins. What this is and what this does is will restore critical water clarification equipment. This is gonna improve the efficiency of our early treatment processes. This project will enhance CB's ability to remove organic and inorganic materials from the raw water drawn from Lake Monroe, helping us to address seasonal taste and odor issues. We'll also do some chemical building improvements and feed line replacement. This addresses treatment reliability and staff safety, along with restoring a safe and sustainable fluoride system. We also have a project that will do high service pump rebuilds and variable frequency drives or VFDs. Our high service pump rebuilds will provide redundancy and increase resiliency in our treatment processes. The addition of these VFDs will help prevent service interruptions by preventing wear on the pipes at the plant and throughout our system. Essentially how that works is instead of an on-off, it's variable and so it's easier on our pipes. Additional water treatment plant projects include a maintenance project. So this has miscellaneous maintenance projects, but it's a combination of multiple maintenance projects, including the completion of an asset management system that will allow for our improved maintenance assessment and replacement practices. This is gonna improve the longevity of our equipment. We also have treatment plant water handling and delivery updates. What this does is it's gonna improve the air quality monitoring to improve our worker safety. We'll see maintenance to address leaks in the pipe gallery. There is also a replacement of a backwash header valve actuator. This will also provide funds for items required tank inspections and maintenance. And really a lot of this is about just maintaining, you know, a lot of this is repairs, a lot of this is replacement, but if we don't have our funds for maintenance, you know, what are we doing? So the last two projects here for water treatment. at our water treatment plant. There's a bypass pumping improvement project. What this will do is increase our resiliency by adding another way to withdraw from the lake should our main intake tower suffer a severe failure. So this ensures continued water production. And then we have our residuals project. This will increase generally the efficiency and consistency of our filter processes, helping us to maintain water quality in reliable treatment capacity. Next, we have projects that we are planning on doing in our distribution system. These projects total $34.4 million and are in two main categories. The first category is our booster stations and our storage tanks. We're gonna do rehabilitations and upgrades there. In addition to these rehabilitations and upgrades, we're going to at emergency generators that will improve our preparedness and reliability during natural disasters, electrical grid issues, or other emergencies. Our second category is water main projects, maintenance, testing, and replacement. Essentially, this is just to improve and maintain our ability to replace our water mains, repair water mains, and do our hydrant maintenance and testing. And then finally, we have $18.7 million, which is the water funding portion for the proposed Winston Thomas Service Center. I think at multiple presentations this year and the past year, I have discussed the fact that we are outgrowing our current facilities. We are outgrowing them in regards to personnel, equipment, and adequate inventory storage. This will be a purpose-built service center to improve logistics for field crews, allowing faster deployment and better emergency response. It also allows for stronger protections of our capital assets, such as our specialized service vehicles, which are currently being stored in the elements. Building our service center that meets the utility's needs moving forward is an investment that will save our resources over time. By investing now, CBU is setting up for operational excellence, fiscal responsibility, and community resilience. And that is at the end of my presentation, so I'm happy to take additional questions. Again, we have our capital projects engineer here. If you have questions about capital projects, our assistant director of finance, Matt Havy. Happy to take any questions. I have a question about the slide that showed your bill. Three units of water, but two units of sewer. Yeah, so. Summer that they don't get charged for wastewater for that. Question about the capital improvement plan. At the current rate. Water main replacement How long would it take to replace the entire system? Or do you need to take advantage of those terms? That's a great question. I don't have a great answer for that. But I will say that our current water main replacement rate is not as high as we'd like it to be due to a lack of funding. And so I think it would take a very, very long time. Mark, you agree? A very long time. There are pipe systems out there that are 80, 90 years old that we're working to replace. But there's a certain limit on how much work you can actually do, right? So even with unlimited funding, there's just the physical challenge of, I mean, to complain that you were digging up the entire city. So the $19.8 million, if you realistically factoring in the limitations on how much could feasibly be done, what would be your desired amount of funding in a year to get us back on pace where we have some prospect of sort of getting on top of We analyze, we take different criteria, analyze the materials of the pipes, the age of the pipes, the frequency that the pipes in certain areas have had main breaks. And so we try and analyze. It's not always just the latest or the oldest pipe that gets replaced. It's a pipe that we've analyzed to figure out this is a likely spot for a main break. Exactly what that amount is, you know, there are limitations, just a number of employees and the amount of work that can get done in a year. Jennifer, you have it in front of you, yeah. So in the revenue requirements of that $7.1 million that we're building into annual extensions and replacements, in the later, in the beginning years, we are dividing some of those water main projects up between bond financing and revenue, but in the later years, we're trying to build it to about $5 million per year for water main projects. So $5 million out of the $7.1 million of annual extensions or replacements. That's the target we believe we need to accommodate a replacement that keeps us not going into infrastructure debt, just right at that line. Where did we come up? How did we determine that now? I came up with that number as we look at the total overall five year plan and what I try to do is pick out the items that are very costly. There are over $7 million. I'm trying to get to an average of $7 million funding. It happens to work out that the water main projects ends up being the item that we're trying to build to in the later years. We'll be funding a lot of the big projects at the water treatment plant, the service center. Those million dollar projects will be funded through bonds Cause we have to spend that down, but we're trying to build up the 7.1 million and the water main projects. It happens to be the area that we're trying to build it up into as well. Yes. This is a five year plan starting 2025 going to 2029. but obviously the rates are not in place here in 2025. And so a lot of, yeah. So if the target's 5 million, then we're however many million short per year, and we're continuing to be, to increase in working debt. Correct. So in the first few couple of years, we've put about 3 million of that into the bond financing to get you started. And then we're trying to, and do other big projects But that is the part where we were trying to play between how much is funded ongoing through revenue each year and how much is being funded through the bonds. So for the next great increase in four years, it would be great to know exactly what we need, not exactly your best estimate of what we need to not to not go any further. Yes, absolutely. And I also think, you know, going back to what Mark said about how we have been doing more and more analysis on the pipes so that we can have a more strategic approach to how we're doing main replacement instead of just saying, hey, this is really old. Let's replace it. Maybe this really old pipe has never had a main break. It was made out of an excellent material. And it's been reliable. In a stable area. In a stable area. And so as we use do this analysis we're actually creating you know a criticality scale and we're trying to knock those ones that are at that top of that criticality scale we're trying to get those first and you know once we actually are able to have more funds in our water main replacement we'll be able to see how much we can do both in-house with our crews but also how much we will be able to contract out as well. Glad we're thinking that way and planning that way. Thank you. Any other thoughts, questions? So within the next two weeks, will we be receiving additional information about the cost of services study, will we have access to these briefings? Okay. I got a question for Danica. If you're still there, Danica. I sure am. Or your cohort. So if we can go back to the slide that had the the rates by customer class. It's the one right after that percentage-wise revenue increase by customer class. The first time we show the rates. Yeah, that's fine. So looking at this, like our wholesale cost to provide, well, our rate for wholesale in Indiana University Master is really, really similar, right? Right about $3 per 1,000 gallons. So if that cost were correct, we would say that it costs about the same to provide a wholesale customer a water as it does Indiana master meter. And the increases are ballpark pretty close, right? One's 50% and the other's short of 60%. So knowing that the plant's the plant and that the 36 inch mains coming in, that's all fixed. Nothing differs there. Are the costs then attributable solely to the distribution system and pipes and any pumps that provide those customers? Is that how we come up with the costs? I don't know much about how that the service study is conducted. Sure, yes. You're talking about the differences in wholesale and IEU as far as the cost goes, the cost allocation? Yeah, any customers. I mean, generally, but I'm interested in those two because they're so close together, or were. They must have been, it was decided that they were It was the same cost basically, the same amount of infrastructure in the ground to provide them that water. And now it's just slightly different, but still very, very similar. Yeah, well, I think as Andy mentioned earlier, this is a snapshot in time, right? And so when you see those rates similar, it's based on the demand data that we discovered through the AMI analysis and how those costs get distributed based on the way that they use the system. So at this point in time, for this test year specifically, what we would say is that, you know, based on the findings from the AMI that those two customer costs behave in a similar manner. You know, after that, too, Danica, if it goes to the question, is that, you know, for the interconnection points in the nature of the distribution, slash transmission system that's being used, you know, there is consideration and recognition that wholesale customers have limited points of interconnection as does Indiana University Master Meter customers. And they time more in at the transmission system because they have their own distribution networks, you know, whether they're wholesale customers, you know, and or additional on, you know, on property distribution systems like in the case of Indiana University. So those are the The two big drivers are just the peaking characteristics that they each have as evidence in the ANI data, then the nature of the types of costs that are included based upon their service characteristics, how they tie into the system. Those are the two big drivers for the rates for Indian University and wholesale as compared to the other customer classes. Yeah. Thank you. I got a lot to learn on this. I'm looking forward to seeing the study. Thank you. Questions or comments? I see one formulating. Yeah. Traditionally, this time of year, the water starts tasting really bad and smelling really funky. How are things looking this year from a CPU's point of view? How are things looking? We have had some elevated readings of Geosmin and MIB. Those are responsible for taste and odor. We've switched over to our coconut-based carbon, and so we're hoping that we can mitigate it with that. Also, the Lower temperatures that we're seeing now and all the rain that we've gotten, I'm hoping will also help to mitigate that because typically you see that after longer periods of drought and high temperatures. So our shields have been engaged. Yes, our shields have been engaged. It seemed like about three weeks ago we had a little bit of taste issue and then it was gone. Did anyone else experience this? When did we implement the switch over to coconut? I believe that was today. Oh, OK. Yeah. Right, Hector? Yep. Are there any questions on Zoom or anyone on Zoom? Okay. Okay, well, hearing none, everyone have a lovely three day weekend. Thank you.