WEBVTT 00:00:01.826 --> 00:00:11.341 - this public hearing on the proposed Ellsville 2027 budget. That is now 630. What is this, the fifth? 00:00:11.341 --> 00:00:21.233 - As noticed. So present. Yes, sir. Trevor Sanger. Here. Scott Goldham. Here. Dan Swafford. William Ellis. 00:00:21.233 --> 00:00:30.654 - Here. Pamela Samples. Okay. A little bit different format than what you see in our normal meetings. 00:00:30.882 --> 00:00:38.695 - We're just going to jump right into a presentation by town manager and staff concerning the proposed 00:00:38.695 --> 00:00:46.586 - budget for 2027. Like Scott said, we're doing our 2027 budget. I think anybody involved in the budget 00:00:46.586 --> 00:00:54.399 - process would agree. We've had plenty of transparency and community focus as we went about doing our 00:00:54.399 --> 00:01:00.510 - budget this year just because of fire territory and reorder and what have you. 00:01:00.642 --> 00:01:08.110 - As always, this is my 28th budget. So as always, we put a lot of time and effort into this, but if ever 00:01:08.110 --> 00:01:15.291 - there was any more effort than this year, I don't know what it was. We probably had 50 meetings and 00:01:15.291 --> 00:01:22.974 - we tried to figure out how many meetings we had about this year, but there's no way to count them. Anyway, 00:01:22.974 --> 00:01:29.150 - appreciate everybody's attention to getting the budget together and we're looking to, 00:01:29.346 --> 00:01:36.574 - invest in infrastructure and and and you know we we really want to expand our services as we move forward 00:01:36.574 --> 00:01:43.461 - and so no one else going to put together the budget and tell us all about it. I'd ask that everybody 00:01:43.461 --> 00:01:50.485 - hold questions until the end of the presentation then we'll slide back through it again make notes and 00:01:50.485 --> 00:01:55.326 - we can ask questions and get into the weeds if you will if we need to. 00:01:56.514 --> 00:02:02.444 - Thank you. I did want to make one note that Cats TV is not currently present this evening. This video 00:02:02.444 --> 00:02:08.433 - is on Zoom. I will be uploading it to Cats and they said that they have it available tomorrow by noon. 00:02:08.433 --> 00:02:14.363 - And with that, tonight is the public hearing for the Town of Belksville proposed budget for 2027. I'm 00:02:14.363 --> 00:02:20.235 - going to start with the overall financial plan and we'll walk through the major departments with the 00:02:20.235 --> 00:02:26.398 - funding sources so everyone can see what is being budgeted, but also where those dollars are coming from. 00:02:26.786 --> 00:02:33.496 - One thing to keep in mind throughout the presentation is that there are proposed appropriations. This 00:02:33.496 --> 00:02:40.403 - budget establishes spending authority, but it does not mean that every dollar will necessarily be spent. 00:02:40.403 --> 00:02:47.112 - For the council on their packets, each half will start the beginning of the additional appropriations 00:02:47.112 --> 00:02:53.756 - for each fund. And so with that, the next meeting for the budget will be October the 19th. This is a 00:02:53.756 --> 00:02:56.190 - special meeting as well at 6.30 p.m. 00:02:58.050 --> 00:03:04.776 - So on to the next slide. So this first table gives you a town-wide overview. You have the estimated 00:03:04.776 --> 00:03:11.570 - beginning cash, the estimated 2027 receipts, and the proposed appropriations. The difference between 00:03:11.570 --> 00:03:18.498 - the estimated receipts under the proposed budget, and then the projected ending balances. So one thing 00:03:18.498 --> 00:03:21.054 - I did want to draw your attention to, 00:03:21.218 --> 00:03:26.704 - When you see a negative number under the problem with the budget surplus or deficit, that doesn't 00:03:26.704 --> 00:03:32.301 - automatically mean that the fund is insolvent. It means that the proposed appropriation exceeds the 00:03:32.301 --> 00:03:38.235 - revenue estimates for that dealer, so some existing cap is going to be available to support mass spending 00:03:38.235 --> 00:03:44.280 - authority. You will also know that some of the new funds created for 2027 begin with no beginning balances, 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:49.598 - and so that's going to affect how the projected ending of balances here on this table as well. 00:03:50.178 --> 00:03:56.290 - So I'm going to explain the major funds individually as we move through the presentation rather than 00:03:56.290 --> 00:04:02.524 - trying to unpack everything on the one side. So that's why I can now see the third tab for the council 00:04:02.524 --> 00:04:08.757 - of DTH track. The first department we'll cover is the fire department. So I did want to note there are 00:04:08.757 --> 00:04:14.870 - two separate fire slides tonight because the 2027 structure depends on the outcome of the November 3 00:04:14.870 --> 00:04:15.838 - reorganization. 00:04:16.066 --> 00:04:24.553 - This slide shows the municipal fire structure. So this total proposed funding shows $4,242,455 that 00:04:24.553 --> 00:04:33.379 - is supported through several funding sources rather than just the annual funds. I did want to draw your 00:04:33.379 --> 00:04:39.998 - attention to the largest piece, the municipal fire at just over $3.1 million. 00:04:40.162 --> 00:04:47.453 - and it has additional support from global income tax. It would have fired CCD and our economic development 00:04:47.453 --> 00:04:54.334 - tax. So if the reorganization is approved, this is the municipal structure that would apply, subject 00:04:54.334 --> 00:05:01.216 - to the remainder of the budget and then the OGM process. This is important to point out because this 00:05:01.216 --> 00:05:08.507 - is one fire funding scenario. The next slide is the alternative scenario. So here you will see the special 00:05:08.507 --> 00:05:10.142 - fire protective tariff. 00:05:10.594 --> 00:05:19.096 - This slide is $4,168,425. It consists of the Spinal Fire Protection Care for a General Fund and the 00:05:19.096 --> 00:05:28.108 - Equipment Replacement Fund. So if reorganization is not approved by November 3rd, this is the alternative 00:05:28.108 --> 00:05:34.910 - fire funding structure that will be reflected in the proposed budget in excess. 00:05:35.138 --> 00:05:41.844 - I wanted to keep these two scenarios extremely clear because we are not providing the municipal buyer 00:05:41.844 --> 00:05:48.681 - budget on the previous slide, buyer territory budget. If reorganization happens or doesn't happen, it's 00:05:48.681 --> 00:05:55.320 - going to be one or the other. So moving right along to the police department. Again, this is another 00:05:55.320 --> 00:05:57.950 - new fund that will be created for 2027. 00:05:58.626 --> 00:06:04.552 - and the department is funded from several sources. The primary police fund, just about 2.2 million, 00:06:04.552 --> 00:06:10.952 - would have additional funding from local income tax, public safety, human capital development, and economic 00:06:10.952 --> 00:06:16.938 - development income tax. And so rather than concentrating on the entire cost of the department into a 00:06:16.938 --> 00:06:23.041 - single fund, this slide shows the available revenue sources for the purpose of the activities. The new 00:06:23.041 --> 00:06:27.486 - municipal police fund is also one of the five you saw on the summary side. 00:06:28.066 --> 00:06:36.963 - Summary 5, excuse me, that begins 2027 without an existing balance, which is important when you're looking 00:06:36.963 --> 00:06:45.445 - at the projected ending of this. So moving along to township assistance. This is another component of 00:06:45.445 --> 00:06:54.176 - the proposed 2027 budget associated with reorganization. The total proposed budget is $530,000. Of that, 00:06:54.176 --> 00:06:57.502 - $450,000 is within township assistance. 00:06:57.858 --> 00:07:05.226 - and another 80,000 is supported through economic development income tax. This is being shown separately 00:07:05.226 --> 00:07:12.310 - so that the cost of providing these services is transparent rather than being absorbed into another 00:07:12.310 --> 00:07:19.536 - department. And then we move on to the administration for which we're just on the first side. And the 00:07:19.536 --> 00:07:26.974 - proposed budget for this is $1,080,460. It is supported primarily with the general fund as well as CCDs, 00:07:27.170 --> 00:07:34.226 - development tax. One thing I just want to draw your attention to in this budget is because of the changes 00:07:34.226 --> 00:07:41.283 - within 8.2.0, the planning vehicle and the planning computer and software expenditures that appear within 00:07:41.283 --> 00:07:48.472 - the administration budget for reporting purposes, it still wants operational needs the planning department. 00:07:48.472 --> 00:07:55.262 - So I just wanted to bring that to the council's attention and the planning will still be the one that 00:07:55.554 --> 00:08:04.375 - Appropriates those funds, but for account services, it needed to go to the administration. You move 00:08:04.375 --> 00:08:12.491 - in along with the planning. So planning and zoning has a proposed budget for 2027, $589,159 00:08:12.491 --> 00:08:21.488 - funded exclusively through the general fund. This represents the operating budget for the department. 00:08:21.488 --> 00:08:23.870 - So the great great farmer. 00:08:26.146 --> 00:08:33.045 - The Department of Public Works. I think we're gonna spend a little bit of time in this fund because 00:08:33.045 --> 00:08:40.082 - the proposed public work budget shown here is $1,661,324, which is supported by motor vehicle highway 00:08:40.082 --> 00:08:47.118 - and being restricted, local road and street, cumulative funds, municipal cert tax, and eventually the 00:08:47.118 --> 00:08:54.086 - new municipal wheel tax. So you'll notice that we have budgeted zero expenditures from the municipal 00:08:54.086 --> 00:08:55.742 - wheel tax fund in 2027. 00:08:56.130 --> 00:09:02.111 - This was intentional because it is a new revenue source. The plan was to allow the fund to begin to 00:09:02.111 --> 00:09:08.271 - accumulate cash rather than immediately building expenditures around it. And then on the summary page, 00:09:08.271 --> 00:09:14.550 - I wanted to highlight that it shows an estimated ending balance of negative ninety thousand four hundred 00:09:14.550 --> 00:09:17.182 - and two, but that number of these contacts. 00:09:18.082 --> 00:09:25.428 - The 2027 appropriations were intentionally built with sufficient spending authority to address the additional 00:09:25.428 --> 00:09:32.240 - road responsibilities that have been contemplated under reorganization. At the same time, the revenue 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:39.586 - estimates were conservative. So historically, MVH has also not spent every dollar that has been appropriated. 00:09:39.586 --> 00:09:46.398 - So for perspective, in 2023, the fund ended with $337,000 in cash and ended 24 with $373,000 in cash. 00:09:47.810 --> 00:09:54.824 - So we will continue to monitor that from both these actual revenue and expenditures in all of the 2027. 00:09:54.824 --> 00:10:01.838 - But the projected budget was basically on low appropriations being available for expenditures. So parks 00:10:01.838 --> 00:10:08.716 - and rec, again, pretty straightforward. The parks budget for 2027 proposed is $112,400 funded through 00:10:08.716 --> 00:10:10.942 - the Parks and Remuneration Fund. 00:10:11.266 --> 00:10:16.670 - You can see on the front line summary that the parks is projected to maintain their positive managing 00:10:16.670 --> 00:10:22.339 - tax balance, even though that we've proposed expenditures are slightly greater than the estimated receipts 00:10:22.339 --> 00:10:27.743 - for the year, but that's been seen a whole five of the leading tax balance matters in the delivery of 00:10:27.743 --> 00:10:33.094 - these funds. So we'll get through the rest of these super quick. Then last one, I wanted to separate 00:10:33.094 --> 00:10:38.816 - these out just for the council to see. They could be a general line purchase associated with redevelopment. 00:10:38.816 --> 00:10:40.670 - And I like to isolate that because 00:10:40.962 --> 00:10:48.000 - Since the tests have not generated any revenue yet, we are still continuing to track redevelopment commission 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:55.358 - funds that are used separately so that we can pay back the general once the tip starts receiving revenue and also. 00:10:55.458 --> 00:11:01.103 - I wanted to highlight the Building and Construction Related Fees Fund. This is a new fund that came 00:11:01.103 --> 00:11:07.143 - through the legislature that we have to put all of the funds in there and isolate it now for very specific 00:11:07.143 --> 00:11:13.353 - uses. I also want to highlight the law enforcement, continuing education, and the restricted and unrestricted 00:11:13.353 --> 00:11:19.111 - mobility funds. Since these funds have very specific revenue sources and specific purposes, I want to 00:11:19.111 --> 00:11:23.966 - keep them separate so that we can see it in a non-significant way in the general way. 00:11:25.474 --> 00:11:33.030 - This should be very similar to what we saw in 2026. The proposed debt appropriations totals $379,349, 00:11:33.030 --> 00:11:40.512 - consists of $119,000 in debt service and $206,000 in lease rental payments. And then this will bring 00:11:40.512 --> 00:11:48.512 - us back to the Townwide financial summary that we started with. I don't want to go back through everything, 00:11:48.512 --> 00:11:54.142 - but I know we're going to have questions at the end, but I did just want to 00:11:54.306 --> 00:12:00.335 - say that a negative number in one column does not tell the whole financial story, especially since we 00:12:00.335 --> 00:12:06.541 - started the new funds this year, then you'll have the beginning cash balances. As always, we'll continue 00:12:06.541 --> 00:12:12.746 - monitoring all the actual cash revenues and expenditures throughout the year, just as we've always done. 00:12:12.746 --> 00:12:18.775 - And then I did want to follow up with our next meeting for the budget. It will be Monday, October the 00:12:18.775 --> 00:12:23.326 - 19th at 6.30 PM, with our two regular council meetings occurring in between. 00:12:24.098 --> 00:12:38.172 - Thank you, and we don't have too many questions. Any other questions at this point for the council? 00:12:38.172 --> 00:12:48.446 - Bring it over here. Well, if we have no questions, I believe we're done. 00:12:54.530 --> 00:13:03.587 - I don't, because a lot of this, we've kind of gone over the piece, you know, over the last eight months, 00:13:03.587 --> 00:13:12.214 - so there's no surprises here. No, I'm good with that too. I guess, just help me wrap my head around 00:13:12.214 --> 00:13:21.185 - the fire portion of the November election. So, we'll have, if reorganization passes, the municipal fire 00:13:21.185 --> 00:13:22.910 - will be the budget. 00:13:23.426 --> 00:13:31.203 - so and I don't have that in front of me but the budget we're separating out municipal fire will become 00:13:31.203 --> 00:13:39.206 - the budget. If re-organization is not to pass we will go in and we will reduce a lot of the simple budget 00:13:39.206 --> 00:13:46.756 - so the administration, the planning, the parks, all the other municipal budgets and we will use for 00:13:46.756 --> 00:13:53.022 - fire the special fire territory protection budget which only has that general fund 00:13:53.218 --> 00:14:00.268 - and the equipment replacement fund together. So if you look, there's a little bit of a difference. It's 00:14:00.268 --> 00:14:07.251 - about 74,000 and some change. And that's in the municipal budget. That's the only difference. And that 00:14:07.251 --> 00:14:14.436 - was just because there was a little capacity of letting you for the fire to pick up. I guess. And Trevor, 00:14:14.436 --> 00:14:21.215 - that's one of the reasons why public really needs to know that a no vote gives them fire territory. 00:14:21.215 --> 00:14:22.910 - So tax is a big concern. 00:14:23.202 --> 00:14:30.292 - Fire territories, their tax bill is going to be high. Other than in the town, you'll save $2 this year. 00:14:30.292 --> 00:14:37.110 - But then as soon as we have any new development, that flips down the downward trend. Well, that was 00:14:37.110 --> 00:14:44.132 - a question that I had got this week. So again, walk us through this, because you understand it as well 00:14:44.132 --> 00:14:51.358 - as we can. So let's assume that everything goes through. Solidation goes through. This budget is on tape. 00:14:52.994 --> 00:14:59.768 - We have a tax increase, but not a huge one, but a tax increase. Assumes for a second it failed 00:14:59.768 --> 00:15:06.899 - and consolidation does not go through. There's still a tax increase to make up the buyer apartment. 00:15:06.899 --> 00:15:14.030 - Do you know the difference between the two standards? Absolutely. On a $200,000 home in the town of 00:15:14.030 --> 00:15:21.232 - Ellipsville, if the yes carries, it's a $66 a year or more increase on an average $200,000 home. For 00:15:21.232 --> 00:15:22.302 - consolidation? 00:15:22.594 --> 00:15:30.140 - Yes, for consolidation. If it's no and the fire territory, it's $64 of an increase. So we're talking 00:15:30.140 --> 00:15:37.687 - about $1.50. Correct. Okay. Now on the township, it's like night and day. The township on a $200,000 00:15:37.687 --> 00:15:45.159 - home is $115. And that's it. For consolidation? For consolidation, yeah. So it goes less than $10 a 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:47.998 - month. Yes. And let me get the actual 00:15:48.866 --> 00:15:56.598 - Do you have the figure for the $200,000 homeowner chance? Not for the township side. I think that's 00:15:56.598 --> 00:16:04.561 - an important thing. And again, Kevin, please forgive me. Because of the way we've had to deal with the 00:16:04.561 --> 00:16:12.525 - fire department and some of the pressures coming from external to the town to keep the fire department 00:16:12.525 --> 00:16:18.014 - running, we're forced with a tax increase no matter what we do or not. 00:16:18.530 --> 00:16:25.929 - Right. It's going to be just about the same within $10, $15 a year. I have various dollar amount homes. 00:16:25.929 --> 00:16:33.044 - I'm going to read those for the record real quick. Let's just call it $300,000 home. Okay. $300,000 00:16:33.044 --> 00:16:40.727 - home in the town won't cost anymore. Okay. Salvation or the fire territory. That is correct. The difference 00:16:40.727 --> 00:16:47.486 - is long-term, the fire territory does not offer any mechanism for the taxes to go down. Right. 00:16:47.746 --> 00:16:58.173 - for the township for a $300,000 home, we're looking at, that's looking like 173 and 288, and I'm not 00:16:58.173 --> 00:17:08.806 - sure, can you verify that, because? 173 consolidation goes through and 288 if it does not. Yes, right, 00:17:08.806 --> 00:17:17.374 - okay. Let me check on that. The one thing I would like to caveat this with is that 00:17:17.698 --> 00:17:23.814 - property tax rate will only depend on the assessed value and the levies and the DOGS certification. 00:17:23.814 --> 00:17:30.114 - So we are within the range of error. But I really want to steer away from using exact figures that may 00:17:30.114 --> 00:17:36.720 - not come to fruition because each individual tax bill is going to be different. We have to stay on average. 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:42.959 - But I think that, again, I know what you're saying. The unfortunate thing or fortunate thing for most 00:17:42.959 --> 00:17:46.078 - people is that they don't care what you just said. 00:17:46.306 --> 00:17:52.373 - What they care is, what did my bill go up to here? And so if I walk this back just a little bit, we 00:17:52.373 --> 00:17:58.683 - got window position, what was it? December 27th. June, someone out there where we've told, if you don't 00:17:58.683 --> 00:18:04.993 - have fire territory, we're gonna push another fire department completely. No, that was December of last 00:18:04.993 --> 00:18:11.060 - year, the same day we had our first rehabilitation meeting. So to preserve your fire department, we 00:18:11.060 --> 00:18:15.550 - were forced as a council of no choice between do nothing and essentially, 00:18:16.514 --> 00:18:22.459 - and not the fire department's fault, let it bankrupt town, or start a fire territory, which was under 00:18:22.459 --> 00:18:28.579 - the law, what we were required to do, rather than just letting this continue to go as it's going through 00:18:28.579 --> 00:18:34.524 - almost 70 years now, where you had adequate fire protection, and you were paying a given cost for it, 00:18:34.524 --> 00:18:40.527 - but you hadn't adequate fire protection. So in the end, we had to pass the fire territory, which means 00:18:40.527 --> 00:18:43.966 - you're gonna have a several hundred dollar a year increase 00:18:45.506 --> 00:18:51.291 - upfront for the people in the township. For the people in the township, we also, at that point in time, 00:18:51.291 --> 00:18:57.075 - were asked about consolidation. And again, guys, correct me if I'm wrong here. We just said, yes, let's 00:18:57.075 --> 00:19:02.637 - look at consolidation. That way everybody gets a vote. Everybody gets to talk about what happens in 00:19:02.637 --> 00:19:08.255 - the town. And in doing so, you still have a property tax increase or you have tax increase, but it's 00:19:08.255 --> 00:19:13.150 - less to do that than it is to go with fire territory where you don't get a vote at all. 00:19:14.690 --> 00:19:20.374 - It would be absolutely clear on that. And again, it's individual's job duty to think about consolidation. 00:19:20.374 --> 00:19:25.898 - But I've heard a lot of things this week about, oh, this has been across so much more money. It's been 00:19:25.898 --> 00:19:31.260 - in blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, for people who really don't know what they're talking about. 00:19:31.260 --> 00:19:36.676 - So the choice is A, I pay more and I get less, or B, I get more and I pay less. So again, it's up to 00:19:36.676 --> 00:19:42.146 - each individual deciding whether you want to consolidate or not. And like I told you in front of you, 00:19:42.146 --> 00:19:43.326 - I had those hearings. 00:19:43.490 --> 00:19:48.782 - We're not promising you a rose garden. We're gonna lay all our care cards on the table face up. 00:19:48.782 --> 00:19:54.294 - Here they are. If we do not consolidate, we have a bigger problem, or we have a bigger tax bill for 00:19:54.294 --> 00:19:59.861 - the fire department, right? If we do consolidate, then everybody throws in the money and we actually 00:19:59.861 --> 00:20:05.593 - have a lesser increase for everybody involved. And everybody did get some money for what goes on. Okay. 00:20:05.593 --> 00:20:11.105 - Well, to be clear, no matter what the deductions are, we're only talking about yes versus no. No is 00:20:11.105 --> 00:20:12.318 - still more expensive. 00:20:13.218 --> 00:20:20.329 - Remember, rate? Show of hands, anyone that pays their bills in rate? No one. Okay, thank you. I know. 00:20:20.329 --> 00:20:27.650 - It's hard for me to get away from it. I get that. But rate is a trick that politicians use to hide their 00:20:27.650 --> 00:20:34.622 - tax increases. And we are not going to do that here. But I have a different number. The reason I've 00:20:34.622 --> 00:20:42.430 - been given the $200,000 example more often because at $300,000, the Aliceville residents don't see an increase. 00:20:42.946 --> 00:20:53.372 - So people are going to say, oh, you're just hiding the increase. At $200,000, we can kind of see. Now, 00:20:53.372 --> 00:21:03.798 - $245,000, that is where, approximately, where the last, before budget, your tax caps start to kick in. 00:21:03.798 --> 00:21:10.782 - And I mean, I can, at a $245,000 home, rural would be $141,000 with, 00:21:11.906 --> 00:21:19.139 - So essentially $12 a month. And $235 without reorganization. So about $20 a month. Correct. And the 00:21:19.139 --> 00:21:26.661 - town would be $81 with reorganization and $78 without. So they've saved three bucks. But again, because 00:21:26.661 --> 00:21:34.039 - of the way they're urban and rural tax districts, the moment there's new construction in one of those 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:40.766 - agricultural lands, as it was in the urban, that's going to lower everybody's taxes and then 00:21:41.058 --> 00:21:46.275 - This becomes a big thing. And the reason I'm bringing this up here is because we're truly looking at, 00:21:46.275 --> 00:21:51.440 - I don't know how to say this, almost a budget that is split that we really can't predict. So we have 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:56.708 - to give everybody the, this happens, then this is your budget. This happens, then this is your budget. 00:21:56.708 --> 00:22:01.873 - And I don't want there to be any kind of push by anybody to either consolidate or not consolidate. I 00:22:01.873 --> 00:22:06.988 - just think that literally we need to lay the numbers on the table and say, here's what you're gonna 00:22:06.988 --> 00:22:07.806 - get either way. 00:22:08.322 --> 00:22:13.874 - Are you going to get a quality fire department anyway? You most certainly aren't. You most certainly 00:22:13.874 --> 00:22:19.481 - aren't. If we consolidate, you get less. If we don't, you get it for more, but you still get the same 00:22:19.481 --> 00:22:24.977 - one you've had for almost 70 years. And when somebody comes up with the question, well, why did you 00:22:24.977 --> 00:22:30.804 - do that? Because we were pushed into it by other entities existing in this county. It was not our choice. 00:22:30.804 --> 00:22:36.466 - So here we are as a town having to plan, not knowing what's going to happen in the two minutes between 00:22:36.466 --> 00:22:37.950 - 1159 in December the 31st, 00:22:38.434 --> 00:22:44.270 - and 1201 on January 1st. And that's what it boils down to is what do you people want to pay for? Because 00:22:44.270 --> 00:22:50.050 - there's nothing to get here. If you've got questions, come ask. Here's the budget. It went live at 630, 00:22:50.050 --> 00:22:55.830 - correct? Yes, sir. Please, by all means, take this thing apart. Ask the questions of everybody you need 00:22:55.830 --> 00:23:01.777 - to ask, because we need to know. And we need to ask those questions ourselves as to did we miss something? 00:23:01.777 --> 00:23:05.278 - Because we are literally preparing two different budgets here. 00:23:05.666 --> 00:23:11.791 - One for Envision Town and one for the current town that, oh yeah, we gotta have to do X, Y, and Z to 00:23:11.791 --> 00:23:18.098 - make it still work despite what we've done for the last 70 years. So please, everyone, take this budget 00:23:18.098 --> 00:23:24.648 - apart. Look at it very closely. Ask your questions. Even the people in the room who helped put it together, 00:23:24.648 --> 00:23:30.712 - go back to it again. Make sure we did not drop a combo. We did not have a placeholder move. Because 00:23:30.712 --> 00:23:33.502 - this is so odd. Usually the budget's here for 00:23:33.890 --> 00:23:39.268 - I've been doing them with you, Mike, now for almost 20 years. They've been pretty simple every year. 00:23:39.268 --> 00:23:44.752 - It's up down in this category, up down in this category. This, this is a whole new wave. So let's make 00:23:44.752 --> 00:23:50.503 - sure we disagree with that, folks. And with that, one question people have asked me, the rates are similar. 00:23:50.503 --> 00:23:55.881 - Why is the fire territory dollar amount so much higher? Well, good analogy is if you're on, you have 00:23:55.881 --> 00:24:01.365 - a phone plan, you and your spouse each have a separate plan. Well, those plans are going to cost quite 00:24:01.365 --> 00:24:02.590 - a bit for each of you. 00:24:03.138 --> 00:24:08.599 - But if one of you drops their plan and goes on the family plan, that's just a little bit more. 00:24:08.599 --> 00:24:14.347 - So reorganization is like getting on a family plan. Well, you're going to be running three nights a 00:24:14.347 --> 00:24:20.268 - weekend, so that was a long time. Three nights, no. Nobody's here. Yeah. Calling after nine, yeah. OK. 00:24:20.268 --> 00:24:26.131 - OK, again, before we end this tonight, anybody want to chime in with anything or any concerns for any 00:24:26.131 --> 00:24:30.270 - of you, I know you all had to do a lot of work this year to prepare it. 00:24:30.786 --> 00:24:37.779 - and thank you. Yes, absolutely. Is there any concerns at all? Anything you want to see changed? Anything 00:24:37.779 --> 00:24:44.505 - that hangs over our head that we just haven't seen yet? So we're not waiting on numbers to drop from 00:24:44.505 --> 00:24:51.431 - DLJF or over from the state or anybody like that, right? Yes, sir. All right. Our next meeting is again 00:24:51.431 --> 00:24:58.424 - the 12th or 6th. What'd you say it was? 1990. I apologize. Yes. So again, folks, please take this apart. 00:24:58.424 --> 00:25:00.222 - Look at it very carefully. 00:25:02.306 --> 00:25:25.312 - I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I 00:25:25.312 --> 00:25:31.294 - don't know. I don't know. 00:25:32.610 --> 00:25:41.470 - So do we have any questions? All right. So you know, for the visit for council for journey.