WEBVTT 00:00:00.098 --> 00:00:08.371 - Okay, we'll call to order the meeting of the Elseville Plan Commission for Thursday, October 2nd, 2025. 00:00:08.371 --> 00:00:16.803 - Steve, would you listen to the Pledge of Allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States 00:00:16.803 --> 00:00:24.838 - of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty 00:00:24.838 --> 00:00:29.054 - and justice for all. Okay, Renee, roll call, please. 00:00:30.402 --> 00:00:43.184 - Here. Here. Here. Okay. The next time agenda on our agenda is approval of the minutes for the August 00:00:43.184 --> 00:00:56.725 - 7th meeting. Motion to approve. So I have a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed. 00:00:56.725 --> 00:00:58.750 - Motion carries. 00:00:59.266 --> 00:01:07.730 - We have no old business. We have a monthly conflict of interest statement. Does anyone have a conflict 00:01:07.730 --> 00:01:16.687 - of interest on our items on the agenda tonight? Seeing none, our first item of new business is the voluntary 00:01:16.687 --> 00:01:24.904 - annexation of 5711 North Union Valley Road. Three parcels totaling 71.93 acres. The petitioners are 00:01:24.904 --> 00:01:28.766 - Michael and Megan Ripley. Case number PC25-25. 00:01:29.794 --> 00:01:40.186 - Denise. Good evening. Before you, this petition by Michael Megan Ripley to voluntarily annex three parcels 00:01:40.186 --> 00:01:50.384 - totaling approximately 71.93 acres of land. Subject parcels are located at 5711 North Union Valley Road, 00:01:50.384 --> 00:01:57.182 - 4601 West McNeely Street, and 4.10 acres. Parcel number 53-04-11-100. 00:01:57.602 --> 00:02:07.357 - dash 010.000 dash 011 and upon annexation we will assign an address to that parcel. This is a super 00:02:07.357 --> 00:02:17.307 - voluntary annexation and contiguity of the parcels are as follows. 5711 North Union Valley Road is 20 00:02:17.307 --> 00:02:23.550 - percent contiguous. The 4.10 acres is 49 percent contiguous and 00:02:23.810 --> 00:02:31.661 - 4601 West McNeely Street is 34% contiguous to the town of Eltsville, and 100% of the property owners 00:02:31.661 --> 00:02:39.822 - are parties to the petition. The properties are currently zoned Agricultural Residential, AGR, by Monroe 00:02:39.822 --> 00:02:47.595 - County, and are recommended to be designated as Agricultural AG upon annexation. Properties will be 00:02:47.595 --> 00:02:49.694 - located in Council Ward 3, 00:02:50.530 --> 00:02:57.508 - The plan commission's action shall be in the form of a favorable, unfavorable, or no recommendation 00:02:57.508 --> 00:03:05.183 - town council which takes final action on the annexation petition. Staff recommends a favorable recommendation 00:03:05.183 --> 00:03:12.161 - be afforded to town council with a recommended zoning of agricultural AG for all three parcels upon 00:03:12.161 --> 00:03:16.766 - annexation and petitioners are present if you have any questions. 00:03:19.106 --> 00:03:28.435 - Does anyone from the Planning Commission have any questions for Denise? Seeing none, does the petitioner 00:03:28.435 --> 00:03:37.675 - want to say anything? Okay. So let me just say something. So on this screen is the order of the parcels 00:03:37.675 --> 00:03:47.003 - to be annexed. The largest parcel come in first, smallest, which is the 4.10 acres second, and the other 00:03:47.003 --> 00:03:48.958 - parcel will be third. 00:03:49.986 --> 00:03:56.592 - And this is the zoning, surrounding zoning for the town. That's all. Okay. Before we open this up for 00:03:56.592 --> 00:04:03.198 - public comment, just let me make sure that everyone understands if anyone is wanting to comment about 00:04:03.198 --> 00:04:09.739 - this. Right now, this is just an annexation of the property into the town limits. It's going to have 00:04:09.739 --> 00:04:14.014 - the same zoning in the town that it had previously in the county. 00:04:14.946 --> 00:04:22.317 - We do not know at this point if there are any future plans for the owners of this property to do anything 00:04:22.317 --> 00:04:29.271 - with it. But once they have future plans, if they have any, they will have to come back to the plan 00:04:29.271 --> 00:04:36.572 - commission and then the town council to have the property rezoned if they wish to use it for a different 00:04:36.572 --> 00:04:42.622 - use. So all we're doing right now is annexing this into the town limits and that's it. 00:04:43.554 --> 00:05:00.709 - Is there anyone from the public who wants to comment on this petition? If so, you have three minutes. 00:05:00.709 --> 00:05:08.446 - Come on up and tell us your name and sign in. 00:05:13.858 --> 00:05:23.265 - My name is Jim Perry. I just have a question. Maybe Denise can address it, but you said it's agricultural 00:05:23.265 --> 00:05:32.228 - residential county, but then you said if it comes into this town, it would be agricultural. Is there 00:05:32.228 --> 00:05:42.078 - a difference? It's just the county calls their agricultural residential AGR, and we just call it agricultural. 00:05:42.882 --> 00:05:50.866 - So what does that mean, though, in terms of the zoning? Because obviously residential is in the county, 00:05:50.866 --> 00:05:58.620 - but it doesn't say residential in the town. It said agricultural. So is it agricultural land solely, 00:05:58.620 --> 00:06:06.604 - or is there a prospect for some mix? It's zoned agricultural, which includes residential. We just don't 00:06:06.604 --> 00:06:09.214 - call it agricultural residential. 00:06:11.842 --> 00:06:21.385 - But as you say, there would have to be a proposal for the use of the property. For other than agricultural 00:06:21.385 --> 00:06:30.303 - in our zone. So if there were a proposal that came forward for residential, that would be sustained 00:06:30.303 --> 00:06:38.686 - for that. So if somebody say purchased it or if the petitioners decided to change the zoning, 00:06:39.202 --> 00:06:46.102 - They would have to petition the plan commission for a recommendation to town council and then town council 00:06:46.102 --> 00:06:52.615 - would be the final authority on any rezone. Yeah, but if it permits residential, then there would be 00:06:52.615 --> 00:06:59.127 - no need for rezoning if somebody came forward with a residential proposal. How much residential does 00:06:59.127 --> 00:07:05.576 - the county allow in agricultural residential? Well, in Ellis, I don't know about the county, but in 00:07:05.576 --> 00:07:08.542 - Ellisville, it's a minimum of two acres to be 00:07:08.642 --> 00:07:17.688 - two acre parcels to be considered residential. And that means what? I mean, for residents to be residential, 00:07:17.688 --> 00:07:25.987 - be allowed in agricultural. In other words, they would have to have two acre lots if they wanted to 00:07:25.987 --> 00:07:34.286 - make it residential in an agricultural zone. Each lot would have to be two acres. Minimum. Minimum. 00:07:34.286 --> 00:07:38.270 - Correct. I just wanted a clarification on that. 00:07:38.594 --> 00:07:46.025 - Okay, okay. Do we have do we have any process for evaluating the consequences of even a voluntary? 00:07:46.025 --> 00:07:53.757 - Annexation. Well, we say let's say we were to annex something that would cost the town commit the town 00:07:53.757 --> 00:08:01.339 - to $1,000,000 a year public expenses. Yes, that's all figured out be undesirable. That's all figured 00:08:01.339 --> 00:08:03.966 - out beforehand and that's part of. 00:08:04.994 --> 00:08:11.903 - So that's part of the process? It is part of the process, yes. To figure out how much. And do we have 00:08:11.903 --> 00:08:18.677 - that analysis? Yes, we do a fiscal plan. A fiscal plan? Yes. Time's up. Okay. It's all written down 00:08:18.677 --> 00:08:25.654 - in the document set. If you don't have a copy of it, she can get you one. These documents? I can't see 00:08:25.654 --> 00:08:32.428 - what you've got there. I have what was sent to the homeowner. Well, no, it's on the town's website. 00:08:32.428 --> 00:08:33.918 - It's the fiscal plan. 00:08:34.306 --> 00:08:41.667 - that's on the town's website. So we'd have to go to the town website to understand the public costs 00:08:41.667 --> 00:08:49.174 - or benefits. Yes. What's the net? I don't believe there is any additional cost at this point in time. 00:08:49.174 --> 00:08:56.167 - Our fiscal plan covers if there's any increase on taxes, which is minute because he's bringing 00:08:56.167 --> 00:09:01.982 - in agricultural and there's not a tax increase when you bring in agricultural. 00:09:02.978 --> 00:09:10.341 - there is an assessment and the assessment will shift from the county to their town? Yes, but I mean 00:09:10.341 --> 00:09:17.999 - it's very minute. That's a positive. It is, but it's very minor because it's of the zoning. But it also 00:09:17.999 --> 00:09:25.583 - doesn't cost us anything at this point. And where on the town website is that listed? It's on the home 00:09:25.583 --> 00:09:31.326 - page at the bottom for recent news. Okay, good. Thank you. Name is down here. 00:09:31.778 --> 00:09:46.089 - Do you need anything else? No, that's it. Thank you. Was there anybody else? Come on up. My name is 00:09:46.089 --> 00:09:55.678 - Richard Dillon. I just have two or three questions. D-I-L-L-M-A-N. 00:10:03.458 --> 00:10:10.934 - Who's gonna take care of the McNeely Street from this point on if it's accepted? So when we annex properties 00:10:10.934 --> 00:10:18.204 - into town, we also annex the streets. Will McNeely Street be annexed? It'll come into the town inventory, 00:10:18.204 --> 00:10:25.199 - yes, that portion. The whole street? That portion, just the portion that's annexed. Only the portions 00:10:25.199 --> 00:10:32.126 - that are adjacent to the property being annexed. Okay, and the road is, the road, so in other words, 00:10:32.482 --> 00:10:41.140 - Everybody that lives across McNeely Street that borders this annexation are now bordering the city limits, 00:10:41.140 --> 00:10:49.313 - if this is accepted, is that correct? Yes. Yes, the town limits. Okay. Does the town have any future 00:10:49.313 --> 00:10:57.648 - plans on annexing all of your open spots? If you look at GIS now, you guys have got a lot of... We do, 00:10:57.648 --> 00:11:01.694 - but the state has made it virtually impossible to 00:11:01.954 --> 00:11:09.282 - involuntarily annex areas, so we can only take voluntary annexations. I mean, it's possible, but it's 00:11:09.282 --> 00:11:16.467 - extremely difficult. Okay, and that's just a question. The other question I had, I've always wanted 00:11:16.467 --> 00:11:23.795 - to ask this. What's the tax difference? If you're annexed into the city of Ellipsville, how much more 00:11:23.795 --> 00:11:25.950 - do you have to pay for taxes? 00:11:26.786 --> 00:11:35.756 - I don't know. That's a hard one to calculate. I know, but isn't there a benchmark of like maybe three 00:11:35.756 --> 00:11:44.901 - cents, 30 cents a thousand or something like that on assessment? No. On the paper it says the effective 00:11:44.901 --> 00:11:53.695 - annexation of the estimated tax rate increases from .5673 to .5645 for 2526. That's a number nobody 00:11:53.695 --> 00:11:55.102 - probably knows. 00:11:55.394 --> 00:12:04.361 - And the only other question I had is if let's say Mr. Ripley or someone else comes before the town council 00:12:04.361 --> 00:12:12.825 - to ask for a rezone, you would then have to notify all the people like you did this time. That's all 00:12:12.825 --> 00:12:21.289 - I know. I understand exactly why he's doing it because I've tried to deal with the county too. Okay, 00:12:21.289 --> 00:12:22.462 - anybody else? 00:12:33.218 --> 00:12:40.681 - so you may have already answered. I have a couple of simple questions. Our land borders the... 00:12:40.681 --> 00:12:48.537 - Excuse me, sir. Can you say your name? Jim Callie. Callie? Jim Callie, C-A-L-L-I, 5745 Union Valley 00:12:48.537 --> 00:12:56.471 - Road. We've been there about 25 years. And our property, in a small part, borders on that northeast, 00:12:56.471 --> 00:13:02.206 - that most northeast section. So the question I have is, with annexation, 00:13:03.458 --> 00:13:10.824 - How does the zoning laws change? It's currently 2.5 acres. It's currently 2.5. Do you need to stand 00:13:10.824 --> 00:13:18.264 - back a little bit from it? It's currently 2.5. It's currently 2.5 acres out there and it's been that 00:13:18.264 --> 00:13:25.630 - way for a while. So what changes if that is annexed? What changes in that? It doesn't really change 00:13:25.630 --> 00:13:33.438 - much of anything currently. The county has it zoned as agricultural and we are zoning it as agricultural. 00:13:34.018 --> 00:13:40.607 - Okay, so even if that's annex, it's still zoned agricultural? Yes. And how would that, so then there 00:13:40.607 --> 00:13:47.196 - wouldn't automatically be sewers, plumbing, et cetera, out there. It would stay as it is now. So how 00:13:47.196 --> 00:13:53.719 - would that, then how would someone subsequently be able to change that to rural? Would they have to 00:13:53.719 --> 00:14:00.830 - come back through the same process? They have to come back for another, for a rezoning, which comes back to, 00:14:01.314 --> 00:14:11.085 - Okay, so currently if this passes through, it'll still be 2.5 acres for a dwelling unit. Two under our 00:14:11.085 --> 00:14:21.426 - code. Two? Two under our code. Yeah. Okay, so it'll still be two acres for that, okay. That was my question, 00:14:21.426 --> 00:14:31.102 - thank you. Okay. Anybody else? Okay, seeing none, I will make a motion that we forward case number PC 00:14:31.362 --> 00:14:41.295 - 25-25 to the town council with a favorable recommendation. Second. Pick one. Okay, we have a motion 00:14:41.295 --> 00:14:50.532 - and a second. Renee, roll call, please. David Drake. Yes. Dan Swoffer. Yes. Steve Hale. Yes. 00:14:50.532 --> 00:14:57.982 - Kamala Samples. Yes. Pat Wesolowski. Yes. Okay, motion carries. Thank you. 00:14:58.402 --> 00:15:06.201 - The next item on our agenda is resolution 03-2025, a resolution of the Ellsville Plan Commission approving 00:15:06.201 --> 00:15:13.563 - a declaratory resolution of the Ellsville Redevelopment Commission to amend the Ellsville Riverfront 00:15:13.563 --> 00:15:20.851 - Economic Development District. This is case number 2025-24. The board will recall that last year it 00:15:20.851 --> 00:15:28.286 - was established a redevelopment commission and a board. And in December, the redevelopment commission 00:15:28.642 --> 00:15:34.862 - passed two resolutions to establish two economic development areas in the town. One is the riverfront, 00:15:34.862 --> 00:15:41.204 - one's the west side. You will also recall that under the Indiana code, once the redevelopment commission 00:15:41.204 --> 00:15:47.424 - passes a resolution to establish an economic development area, the code requires it to come before the 00:15:47.424 --> 00:15:53.645 - plan commission for your consideration, then it goes to council, and then it finally comes back to the 00:15:53.645 --> 00:15:58.174 - redevelopment commission for a public hearing and for confirmation of that 00:15:58.306 --> 00:16:05.934 - resolution to establish economic development districts. So in December of last year, the RDC passed 00:16:05.934 --> 00:16:13.561 - two resolutions. They came before the Plan Commission, Town Council. In February, the Redevelopment 00:16:13.561 --> 00:16:21.494 - Commission confirmed their resolution. When it went to the auditor's office, when I say the resolution, 00:16:21.494 --> 00:16:24.926 - that includes plat maps showing the parcels. 00:16:25.314 --> 00:16:32.058 - to be included in the economic development districts and the legal descriptions. The auditor found some 00:16:32.058 --> 00:16:38.154 - inconsistencies. There were over 100 parcels in the Riverfront district and the auditor found 00:16:38.154 --> 00:16:44.833 - some inconsistencies. By that I mean she found that there were some parcels that were described in the 00:16:44.833 --> 00:16:49.502 - legal description but were not included on the plat map and vice versa. 00:16:50.306 --> 00:16:57.467 - properties on the plat map that weren't included in the legal. So we circled back around to Bynum-Fanio. 00:16:57.467 --> 00:17:04.491 - They corrected that. And under the Indiana Code, we have to start all over again in order to amend the 00:17:04.491 --> 00:17:11.720 - Riverfront District. So in August, the Redevelopment Commission passed a resolution to amend the downtown 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:13.630 - or the Riverfront District. 00:17:14.242 --> 00:17:20.916 - This is step two. It now comes before you for your review and hopefully approval. If you approve it, 00:17:20.916 --> 00:17:27.525 - it goes to the plan commission and then it should come back to the RDC in November. This is just on 00:17:27.525 --> 00:17:34.133 - the downtown or the riverfront district. The west side economic development area is not going to be 00:17:34.133 --> 00:17:40.807 - changed. And the fact that there were discrepancies did not prevent an economic development district 00:17:40.807 --> 00:17:41.534 - from being 00:17:42.050 --> 00:17:49.839 - established for either the downtown or the west side area. If you go to Elevate and you start looking 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:57.552 - at properties in Ellisville, you can see there's been established the west side economic development 00:17:57.552 --> 00:18:05.265 - area and the riverfront. We're just clarifying these few parcels here to make sure they get included 00:18:05.265 --> 00:18:09.694 - as well. Okay. Does anybody have any questions for Darla? 00:18:11.394 --> 00:18:19.595 - Okay, like where it says Park Street. The long thing sticking out. Okay. Okay, so how far does that 00:18:19.595 --> 00:18:27.713 - go? Like what's this at the end here? Like we're, Park Street's down by the ballpark. Right. Okay, 00:18:27.713 --> 00:18:36.078 - so what, like see how it angles out, you know, goes down, then kind of, what is that down there? That 00:18:36.078 --> 00:18:39.358 - includes the Township Trustee's office. 00:18:40.162 --> 00:18:48.490 - Okay, so that's as far as it goes basically that time? Yes, in that direction. And it looks funny because 00:18:48.490 --> 00:18:56.661 - they can't, when you take the map and you kind of flatten it out, it looks odd like that. That's, whole 00:18:56.661 --> 00:19:04.517 - area there is the Township Trustees Office. Okay, so it don't go really no further than that? No, I 00:19:04.517 --> 00:19:09.310 - mean it has to be still within the limits of the town. Okay. 00:19:10.530 --> 00:19:19.824 - Good question. I don't know exactly where the ball fields are, so I don't know. Well, they're in between 00:19:19.824 --> 00:19:28.853 - the trustees office. It doesn't go as far as on that. No, OK, that's that's what I'm wanting to know. 00:19:28.853 --> 00:19:38.590 - You answered it right there. I asked if it went as far as we're on that where I live. OK, any more questions? 00:19:46.178 --> 00:19:53.954 - Could they come in and, I say they, anybody or the town come in and wipe the houses out, put commercial 00:19:53.954 --> 00:20:00.758 - in? Well, the Redevelopment Commission has pretty broad powers under the statutes, so they 00:20:00.758 --> 00:20:08.310 - could theoretically work with a commercial developer to put in commercial properties. And they could 00:20:08.310 --> 00:20:14.142 - give them grants or something along those lines to encourage the development. 00:20:15.170 --> 00:20:24.687 - It don't sound very good. Well, I don't think that's in the works anytime soon, but. Well, yeah, but 00:20:24.687 --> 00:20:34.487 - we don't know. You don't? Is there something we can put in there that they can't do that? I think. They 00:20:34.487 --> 00:20:40.894 - can't take housing out? Well, can I ask Darla something real quick? 00:20:41.250 --> 00:20:48.441 - So when we came up with the TIF districts, we had to create a list of items that we would spend money 00:20:48.441 --> 00:20:55.913 - on. And what you just asked wasn't one of those things. Correct. So if they wanted to, meaning RDC wanted 00:20:55.913 --> 00:21:03.104 - to change the economic development plan, that's one of those things that they would have to start all 00:21:03.104 --> 00:21:10.295 - over again. The economic plan right now is just to do basic, what I call maintenance types of things, 00:21:10.295 --> 00:21:11.070 - sidewalks, 00:21:11.394 --> 00:21:19.106 - sewers, installation of utilities, parks, that kind of thing. There's no plan yet to do any major commercial 00:21:19.106 --> 00:21:26.464 - development or work with developers to get commercial developments in there. So they don't have to come 00:21:26.464 --> 00:21:33.964 - back to the other commissioners and to us? Correct. And then to the town council? Correct. If they wanted 00:21:33.964 --> 00:21:38.846 - to amend the development plan, they would have to do that. This plan 00:21:39.330 --> 00:21:51.961 - that goes with this proposal is the same as it was in the other proposal. Okay. Anybody else? Is there 00:21:51.961 --> 00:22:04.346 - any public comment? Seeing none, I will make a motion that we approve resolution or adopt resolution 00:22:04.346 --> 00:22:07.902 - 03-2025 PC under case number 00:22:08.002 --> 00:22:19.997 - 2025-24. Second. Yeah, we have a motion and a second. Roll call, please. David Drake. Yes. Dan Swaffer. 00:22:19.997 --> 00:22:32.222 - Yes. Steve Hale. Yes. Pamela Samples. Yes. And Pat Wasielowski. No. Okay. Does that mean it doesn't pass? 00:22:33.826 --> 00:22:42.146 - No, there was four in favor, correct? Yes. Oh, okay. Four's your quorum. My math is not... Four's your... 00:22:42.146 --> 00:22:50.074 - Well, I confused him earlier. Yeah. Okay, planning department update. Next meeting, let's try there, 00:22:50.074 --> 00:22:57.924 - is November 6th and you will have new business. Prior to the floor, is there anyone in the audience 00:22:57.924 --> 00:23:02.398 - that wants to address us on something that wasn't in our 00:23:03.746 --> 00:23:12.286 - Agenda. Seeing none, are there any planning commission comments? Seeing none, we're adjourned.