WEBVTT 00:00:01.698 --> 00:00:09.491 - I hope you were able to enjoy. Recording in progress, sorry. I'm already interrupted. I hope you were 00:00:09.491 --> 00:00:17.819 - able to enjoy the nice day out and we're gonna get started here with our meeting tonight, our reorganization 00:00:17.819 --> 00:00:25.765 - committee. Thank you for coming. We're going to start with a word of prayer and a pledge of allegiance. 00:00:25.765 --> 00:00:29.662 - Father, we thank you for this day and time that we 00:00:30.242 --> 00:00:37.010 - get to come together like this as citizens of a place we truly love. Thank you for all the ways that 00:00:37.010 --> 00:00:43.912 - you bless us. Let everything that's done tonight be according to your will and the way that you'd have 00:00:43.912 --> 00:00:50.613 - it to be done. Whatever the outcome of all this, Lord, we pray that your will be done in that. It's 00:00:50.613 --> 00:00:57.448 - in Jesus' name, for his sake and his glory, amen. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United 00:00:57.448 --> 00:00:58.654 - States of America 00:00:58.914 --> 00:01:08.910 - and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice 00:01:08.910 --> 00:01:18.122 - for all. Thank you. All right, the committee has received the meeting minutes from Wednesday, 00:01:18.122 --> 00:01:26.942 - February 4th. Do we have a motion to accept? So moved. Second. All right, I'll go second. 00:01:27.970 --> 00:01:34.720 - Can you grab the roll call first real quick? Sure. Sorry, I was... Oh, you mean in attendance? Yes. 00:01:34.720 --> 00:01:41.132 - Okay, sorry about that. So, Andrew Henry, present. Scott is here on Zoom. William Ellis, here. 00:01:41.132 --> 00:01:48.219 - Jerry Sanders, here. Kevin Farris, here. Don Durnall, here. And Mike Corman, here. Thank you. All right, 00:01:48.219 --> 00:01:53.214 - now we can do the minutes. We already had a first and second, so, Andrew? 00:01:55.106 --> 00:02:03.724 - On the approval of the minutes as submitted, I vote yes. Scott, we don't have an electronic policy for 00:02:03.724 --> 00:02:12.676 - committee members to attend digitally, so we're gonna count you as absent for today's meeting. So William? 00:02:12.676 --> 00:02:21.293 - Yes. Jerry? Yes. Kevin? Yes. Don? Yes. Mike? Yes. Motion passes, thank you. Thank you again for coming 00:02:21.293 --> 00:02:23.134 - tonight. We will have 00:02:23.266 --> 00:02:30.017 - a period of public comment at the beginning of the meeting and then again at the end of the meeting. 00:02:30.017 --> 00:02:36.835 - So the beginning of the meeting is just something you would like for the committee to consider before 00:02:36.835 --> 00:02:43.653 - we even get started. And so I would like to invite anybody here or anybody online to speak now during 00:02:43.653 --> 00:02:44.990 - the public comment. 00:02:52.322 --> 00:02:59.324 - It's like we don't have anybody right now, so we don't really have an agenda tonight. So we do wanna 00:02:59.324 --> 00:03:06.741 - talk about a couple of important matters and other matters that come up or will come out of the discussion 00:03:06.741 --> 00:03:13.951 - tonight. But I think if it's okay with the committee, we see if anybody, any of our subcommittees would 00:03:13.951 --> 00:03:19.774 - like to give a report. Is that okay with the committee? Do we have any, yes, Diane? 00:03:33.730 --> 00:03:41.874 - We have met twice since February the 4th, and we meet again on Sunday at 4.30, have gone over everything 00:03:41.874 --> 00:03:49.629 - on our, what our objectives were, and we should have, we will submit our report on time by February 00:03:49.629 --> 00:03:57.928 - 27th. And what is your committee's? Planning and zoning, sorry. Planning and zoning. Questions? Questions? 00:03:57.928 --> 00:04:02.814 - That sounds great, Diane, thank you very much. You're welcome. 00:04:03.394 --> 00:04:12.282 - Way to stay on top of things. I'll report for the Finance Committee. We've met four times. And we have 00:04:12.282 --> 00:04:21.085 - had a meeting with Mike, Noelle helped us some, and of course Baker Tilly. And we worked, Baker Tilly 00:04:21.085 --> 00:04:27.902 - put all our thoughts and information from supervisors and everything together. 00:04:28.386 --> 00:04:34.411 - But we still need to tweak it a little bit. And we're meeting again tomorrow. So hopefully, are you 00:04:34.411 --> 00:04:40.435 - meeting next Wednesday or two weeks from tonight? We are definitely meeting two weeks from tonight. 00:04:40.435 --> 00:04:46.701 - We may meet next Wednesday, depends on how the meeting goes. Okay. Well, if you do meet, we should have 00:04:46.701 --> 00:04:52.846 - our report ready for you then. And when it is finalized, we will get it emailed to you so you can all 00:04:52.846 --> 00:04:57.726 - look it over before so you'll be able to comment. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thanks. 00:05:01.858 --> 00:05:08.321 - Our subcommittees are on it tonight. I'm Parks and Rec and Cemeteries. We've met twice since I think 00:05:08.321 --> 00:05:14.912 - the last meeting. We are on schedule to have the draft completed on time and we've got a lovely little 00:05:14.912 --> 00:05:21.502 - inventory for the park system to follow up with it if you're interested. But other than that, it looks 00:05:21.502 --> 00:05:23.358 - like we're going to be good. 00:05:28.066 --> 00:05:34.641 - I'm Michael from the Public Safety Subcommittee. We had our public meeting last Tuesday from six to 00:05:34.641 --> 00:05:41.347 - seven. It was really supposed to be till 7.30, but with limited attendance, we cut it short. Had some 00:05:41.347 --> 00:05:48.448 - good questions from those that attended. We'll be meeting again tomorrow in a work session format at 3 p.m. 00:05:48.448 --> 00:05:55.614 - at the Heritage Center, and we should have our draft into you on time. Just out of curiosity, what questions 00:05:56.642 --> 00:06:06.483 - It's more just general awareness of how things work currently and how they might work in the future 00:06:06.483 --> 00:06:16.522 - if this passes. So just a lot of basics, like who responds, when do they respond, that sort of thing. 00:06:16.522 --> 00:06:25.182 - Thank you. Thank you. Let's pause. I know I said we'd have a public comment at the end. 00:06:25.538 --> 00:06:35.158 - based on the subcommittee reports, does anybody from the public wanna ask a question, ask a question 00:06:35.158 --> 00:06:45.063 - or make a comment? Okay. So I know one of the other items that I think the committee would like to talk 00:06:45.063 --> 00:06:54.302 - about is public outreach. Was that your, that was your item, I think? Yes, I think there's just, 00:06:54.914 --> 00:07:02.365 - Would that some signs in? Right. They're out back. They're in the back. They're yard signs. We put them 00:07:02.365 --> 00:07:09.530 - out there. So if you want to take one, put it in your yard. Sure would appreciate it. If you know a 00:07:09.530 --> 00:07:16.909 - business or somebody else that could use one, we have plenty and we can get more. So please take them. 00:07:16.909 --> 00:07:24.862 - We're going to try to put some out in public areas tomorrow. And since we're on public outreach, I'll mention, 00:07:25.122 --> 00:07:33.639 - I need some direction. We'd like to put a billboard up. We think it's appropriate. And utilize one across 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:41.996 - from the fire station is the one probably that's seen best with the same information that the billboard 00:07:41.996 --> 00:07:50.513 - has. But rather than just do it and tell you about it later, I'd probably see if anybody has any thoughts 00:07:50.513 --> 00:07:53.566 - about it. I think that's a good idea. 00:07:56.130 --> 00:08:03.923 - I do, too. I agree. We're just going to one billboard. Well, it'll be a big billboard. It'll be up for 00:08:03.923 --> 00:08:11.565 - a month. And I think the timing may be right to make sure we get the word out. I think it'll have to 00:08:11.565 --> 00:08:18.829 - be... We could do more, but... Closer to the boat, I think we would have. Go another one? Yeah. 00:08:18.829 --> 00:08:25.790 - But we can. I think there's some limitations to the funds we can use. But I would hope that 00:08:26.434 --> 00:08:35.248 - any organizations that donate to put the billboard up, would do that closer to the vote, and I would 00:08:35.248 --> 00:08:44.324 - suggest the digital one also, by Kinser 45, 46. Okay, and since we're on outreach, I'll say I met with, 00:08:44.324 --> 00:08:53.313 - I met with the, who's your upland board member? The Indiana Upland Realtor Association. And I met with 00:08:53.313 --> 00:08:54.622 - them and went, 00:08:57.506 --> 00:09:06.117 - why we're doing it and how it works. And so I think the word will get out amongst them pretty good tomorrow. 00:09:06.117 --> 00:09:14.017 - I meet with the building association. I believe there's going to be 92 people there. So I thought I 00:09:14.017 --> 00:09:20.574 - was meeting four or five people. So anyway, so I think that'll be a good outreach. 00:09:29.762 --> 00:09:40.594 - The other thing is, when I talk to the Billard's Association, they're having a home show, not this weekend, 00:09:40.594 --> 00:09:51.426 - but next weekend, and they wonder if we would like to have a booth for free so we could provide information 00:09:51.426 --> 00:09:58.046 - and answer questions. And so it's on, I believe it's on Thursday, 00:10:00.482 --> 00:10:07.623 - Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Thursday night there's a VIP. So if someone wanted to be there on the 00:10:07.623 --> 00:10:15.121 - half of it, Thursday night that would be. So really the booth will be open Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. 00:10:15.121 --> 00:10:22.405 - So I didn't know if anybody was interested. Where would that be? I'm sorry? Where would that event be 00:10:22.405 --> 00:10:30.046 - held? At the warehouse. At the warehouse, yeah. At no charge. I'm sorry? At no charge. At no charge, yeah. 00:10:30.146 --> 00:10:38.516 - If we want to put something together, I need to let them know as soon as possible. So between the committee, 00:10:38.516 --> 00:10:46.349 - if we think it's a good idea and we'd like to have some time, then please let me or Denise know so we 00:10:46.349 --> 00:10:54.258 - can get back to them. Unfortunately, I'll be getting down next weekend, so. Do you have a timeline for 00:10:54.258 --> 00:11:00.094 - that? I do not know what the times are. I'll have a timeline, but they need 00:11:00.482 --> 00:11:06.898 - as soon as possible. Do we have a hand in the public? But I think they mean what time. What time does 00:11:06.898 --> 00:11:13.189 - it open? Yeah, what hours are we talking? I don't know that. Dr. Sanders. Yes. I'm on the Home Show 00:11:13.189 --> 00:11:19.857 - Committee, so I could probably help you with the specific. We just actually had a meeting this afternoon. 00:11:19.857 --> 00:11:26.274 - So it's the planning piece of it. And I'm sure it's all accepted whenever you guys decide, but sooner 00:11:26.274 --> 00:11:30.174 - or later. But it opens on Friday. It's like 4 to 8 on Friday. 00:11:30.338 --> 00:11:40.575 - and I think 10 to six on Saturday and 12 to five on Saturday and Sunday. Thank you. On the same discussion 00:11:40.575 --> 00:11:50.811 - about public outreach, but I want to go back and review, what's the timeline for having the plan finished? 00:11:50.811 --> 00:11:59.230 - From the subcommittee, it's the preliminaries on the 26th, then finalized on March 4th, 00:11:59.842 --> 00:12:07.072 - Don't you get it? Baker Tilley would like to have a draft to them by April 1st so that we have time 00:12:07.072 --> 00:12:14.663 - to revise it before end of May, 1st of June. Okay. And then at that point, is that when we would present 00:12:14.663 --> 00:12:22.398 - the plan to the public? Well, that's when it would be voted on by the Township Board and the Town Council. 00:12:22.398 --> 00:12:28.254 - Okay, and then in November, is that, is the, are we asking the community to vote 00:12:28.418 --> 00:12:35.350 - on the plan or just voting yes or no? Well, it's both. It's reorganization, but it's based on the plan. 00:12:35.350 --> 00:12:42.016 - Right. If that makes sense. Yeah. So here's my question about public outreach. At some point, we're 00:12:42.016 --> 00:12:48.682 - gonna start talking about sharing that plan with the community and then having some feedback on the 00:12:48.682 --> 00:12:55.748 - plan or maybe some... Absolutely. I think that would have to be before the votes. Right. There are public 00:12:55.748 --> 00:12:58.014 - hearings that are required before 00:12:58.210 --> 00:13:06.065 - town council and the township board vote on it. Right. How many public hearings are there? Just one, 00:13:06.065 --> 00:13:13.921 - I believe. So if we got the preliminaries from the subcommittees on the 27th, finalized March, yeah, 00:13:13.921 --> 00:13:21.698 - March 4th, then while we decide all that stuff, that'd be the best time for the public comment. But 00:13:21.698 --> 00:13:27.998 - don't we need to come up with a plan for June and November of how we're going to 00:13:29.570 --> 00:13:35.591 - provide more information to the community so they can make an informed vote? Yeah, might have been grassroots 00:13:35.591 --> 00:13:41.228 - stuff. This is where it gets tricky and I don't know the particulars of the law, but there's a certain 00:13:41.228 --> 00:13:47.084 - point in time where no public funds can be used on this effort, very similar to a school board referendum. 00:13:47.084 --> 00:13:52.886 - So if you're familiar with those rules, it's the same that applies to this. And I think that clock starts 00:13:52.886 --> 00:13:57.374 - ticking once the state approves the plan or when we submit the plan, do you know? 00:13:57.922 --> 00:14:05.134 - you do not have that statute with me. But yes, you're correct, there's a time limit. Yeah, there's something. 00:14:05.134 --> 00:14:11.756 - So I don't know, I mean, we could make suggestions, but we really need this to be a voter-led effort 00:14:11.756 --> 00:14:18.313 - down the home stretch. I think I have had, excuse me, I have had some offers for help with monetary 00:14:18.313 --> 00:14:25.066 - and labor, whatever it takes to get that word out, so I can talk about that later, but I have had some 00:14:25.066 --> 00:14:27.230 - offers to help with that effort. 00:14:30.786 --> 00:14:40.824 - Are you able to find out exactly what event triggers the prohibition of public funds spent? Sure. That 00:14:40.824 --> 00:14:51.349 - would be very helpful to know. Yes sir, you want to come up? It's just a question. Okay, yeah, you probably 00:14:51.349 --> 00:14:54.078 - need to. That'll teach you. 00:15:00.674 --> 00:15:08.595 - Good evening, Mason Greenberg. I'm a Realtor with Century 21 Sheets, and I sit on the Government Affairs 00:15:08.595 --> 00:15:16.441 - Committee for the IURA, the Indiana Upland Realtor Association. I just wanted to ask, the February 27th 00:15:16.441 --> 00:15:24.212 - date was mentioned for the subcommittee to make a decision, and then there was a March date mentioned. 00:15:24.212 --> 00:15:29.342 - So the subcommittees are supposed to have their preliminary reports 00:15:29.858 --> 00:15:40.929 - no later than the 27th. And then finalized, a little back and forth stuff that's warranted. And then 00:15:40.929 --> 00:15:52.438 - the finalized recommendations by the fourth. Then this board starts finalizing everything. So when would 00:15:52.438 --> 00:15:57.918 - it be possible to start disseminating information 00:15:58.754 --> 00:16:08.639 - perhaps some sort of marketing campaign to the public? If the public wants input into the, no this is 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:18.524 - the process, but if they want input to what we're deciding, now. From now until it's finalized. Okay. 00:16:18.524 --> 00:16:25.502 - If they got questions or concerns or suggestions or anything like that. 00:16:26.594 --> 00:16:33.794 - Isn't it our responsibility to make sure that voters know what they're voting for when it comes to November? 00:16:33.794 --> 00:16:40.665 - Well, that's afterwards, though, after the plan's done. Right. Yeah. Right. Once the plan's done, we'll 00:16:40.665 --> 00:16:47.271 - be able to put the full plan. Question I have for the committee is, as we approve each subcommittee 00:16:47.271 --> 00:16:51.102 - plan, should we post that for the public to review? Yeah. 00:16:51.234 --> 00:16:58.784 - You mean once we get it. Yeah, I mean, once before we say, yeah, that's a good submit that and then 00:16:58.784 --> 00:17:06.485 - let the public. Right. Yeah. I'm thinking that way instead of us afterwards having to reopen and say, 00:17:06.485 --> 00:17:14.262 - well, I got this comment and we need to address this this way. We've got the subcommittee report. Then 00:17:14.262 --> 00:17:17.886 - we have a window for public. We vote on it. But 00:17:18.050 --> 00:17:25.353 - before we even vote on it too, we'll have those public meeting, but this would just clean it up before 00:17:25.353 --> 00:17:32.657 - the public meeting, before the final plan. Yeah, so my understanding is we've gotta have it to council 00:17:32.657 --> 00:17:39.889 - no later than June, was that it? Correct, the final vote will be sometime in early June. When do they 00:17:39.889 --> 00:17:45.278 - wanna see the plan? Whenever you can get it to them. Yeah, so if we had it, 00:17:48.770 --> 00:17:55.121 - That should be enough time for everybody to. We'll be getting the final, I mean, the final altogether, 00:17:55.121 --> 00:18:01.534 - it'll be April. But I mean, do we want to make it as a living document as we get the subcommittee plans 00:18:01.534 --> 00:18:07.885 - in and present them? I guess what I'm saying is at that point, that'd be too late for public feedback. 00:18:07.885 --> 00:18:14.298 - Once we say, okay, that's it, this is ready to submit to council. So we need the feedback. No, it won't 00:18:14.298 --> 00:18:17.566 - be because you have to have a public hearing. Right. 00:18:17.986 --> 00:18:24.561 - The township board and the town council have to have at least one public hearing. Okay. So it won't 00:18:24.561 --> 00:18:31.201 - be too late. Okay. So they've got to have it finalized to go to the state by when? By June. By June, 00:18:31.201 --> 00:18:37.842 - okay. And as to your question if it's too early, it's never too early. The only thing is that people 00:18:37.842 --> 00:18:43.102 - want particulars as how are the nuts and bolts of X, Y, and Z supposed to work. 00:18:43.298 --> 00:18:49.782 - We don't, we have a general idea, but we don't have those particulars yet. So that could cause some, 00:18:49.782 --> 00:18:56.459 - yeah, you're promoting this, what's the particulars? Well, kind of have a grand vision, but if you want 00:18:56.459 --> 00:19:03.392 - the nuts and bolts, that's what this process is for. Great. Just putting the pieces together, subcommittees 00:19:03.392 --> 00:19:09.876 - are putting those nuts and bolts together, and then the overarching committee is going to be able to 00:19:09.876 --> 00:19:13.150 - make sure that it makes sense, it's seamless. Yes. 00:19:13.378 --> 00:19:21.877 - IURA is very interested in supporting this. I came tonight to see if there was any public opposition, 00:19:21.877 --> 00:19:30.459 - any reason why we wouldn't want to support it, just making sure we're having all perspectives in mind. 00:19:30.459 --> 00:19:38.874 - So if there's anyone here with that perspective, I would welcome hearing it, but I also just want to 00:19:38.874 --> 00:19:41.374 - know that we're interested in 00:19:42.306 --> 00:19:49.543 - being a vocal resource, a resource in getting this out, and so understanding when and where we can, 00:19:49.543 --> 00:19:56.780 - that's important for us. I've heard public concerns, and I'm not downplaying those concerns at all, 00:19:56.780 --> 00:20:04.451 - but I haven't heard outright opposition. I think it's because we don't have a plan, yes or no, to oppose. 00:20:04.451 --> 00:20:11.326 - So I think right now it's concerns that that's what we're trying to address, the concerns now. 00:20:11.554 --> 00:20:21.058 - So it doesn't become opposition, if that makes sense. Right, right. So in a government affairs meeting 00:20:21.058 --> 00:20:30.377 - today, it was discussed the not in my backyard mindset perhaps being an issue. And we were trying to 00:20:30.377 --> 00:20:40.158 - think, well, on the thinking about education and getting things out as seamless as possible, what numbers 00:20:40.994 --> 00:20:48.076 - are available to make infographics, to put on these billboards, just very short and sweet snippets, 00:20:48.076 --> 00:20:55.157 - little nuggets of information, if you will. I don't think we have anything that's. We actually have 00:20:55.157 --> 00:21:02.522 - a fact sheet. Numbers is what he's talking about. No, we don't have numbers. Because those haven't been 00:21:02.522 --> 00:21:04.222 - nailed down. That's OK. 00:21:04.642 --> 00:21:13.124 - But we don't have numbers because we'd be getting ahead of the subcommittees and even the main committee 00:21:13.124 --> 00:21:21.363 - because it's being formulated right now. There's all kinds of numbers out there, I can tell you that, 00:21:21.363 --> 00:21:29.602 - but nothing's landed yet. We can be patient. Again, I'm just here to kind of put the pieces together. 00:21:29.602 --> 00:21:32.510 - Yeah, and I appreciate that. Bingo. 00:21:32.930 --> 00:21:39.983 - or guidance or suggestions. I think you could contact Mike Farmer, email us. I'll certainly be in touch 00:21:39.983 --> 00:21:47.173 - with Mike. I've got his contact info. Plus, I like your hat. Thank you. Did they win a game or something? 00:21:47.173 --> 00:21:54.362 - A little one. I think that's it for me. I appreciate you all. There were a couple questions we got raised 00:21:54.362 --> 00:22:01.822 - here in committee in that past discussion that I wanted to make sure I have a clear handle on what was asked. 00:22:01.986 --> 00:22:08.837 - publishing subcommittee reports before we synthesize them into a committee proposal was raised. I really 00:22:08.837 --> 00:22:15.362 - like that idea because I want people to be able to see the unfiltered report from the subcommittee. 00:22:15.362 --> 00:22:22.604 - I also wanted to note there have been a bunch of updates to the website, which is elwitsvillerichlandinfo.org. 00:22:22.604 --> 00:22:29.390 - All the contact info for all the subcommittee volunteers is now listed there. So if you want to contact 00:22:29.390 --> 00:22:30.238 - any specific 00:22:30.338 --> 00:22:36.388 - subcommittee volunteer on any one of the committees, all their contact info is now there and you can 00:22:36.388 --> 00:22:42.498 - ask them questions, give feedback, give suggestions while they're still submitting and drafting their 00:22:42.498 --> 00:22:48.547 - reports before they come to us for review. So at the end of February we get draft reports, we have a 00:22:48.547 --> 00:22:54.657 - week to go back and forth with the subcommittees, then they submit final drafts in early March and we 00:22:54.657 --> 00:22:58.910 - have the rest of March for us to put together a comprehensive proposal 00:22:59.202 --> 00:23:05.400 - drawing on all those subcommittee reports. I would like, as a committee, for us to publish those subcommittee 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:11.147 - reports as soon as we receive the final versions. I don't think it makes sense to publish the initial 00:23:11.147 --> 00:23:16.894 - drafts at end of February in case we have adjustments or corrections or questions. But I would really 00:23:16.894 --> 00:23:22.810 - like the public to have access to all those subcommittee reports, unmodified, unredacted, unsynthesized, 00:23:22.810 --> 00:23:27.486 - so that anybody can look at them and see exactly what the subcommittee gave to us. 00:23:27.874 --> 00:23:34.490 - and then compare that later with our proposal. That's pretty much what I was, when I said a living document 00:23:34.490 --> 00:23:40.738 - too, as we make changes, I'd like to upload the changes as close to real time, which we can do. So do 00:23:40.738 --> 00:23:46.864 - you envision us making changes to the subcommittee reports or are we gonna have a posted draft with 00:23:46.864 --> 00:23:53.112 - a rev number of our entire proposal where we say, you know, on this and this date, we've now updated, 00:23:53.112 --> 00:23:55.134 - this is rev two of our proposal, 00:23:55.330 --> 00:24:01.533 - Here's about three of our proposal. I think that would be good. Okay. Because I think that, you know, 00:24:01.533 --> 00:24:07.676 - first of all, if we get public comments that, you know, the subcommittees hadn't considered, because 00:24:07.676 --> 00:24:13.758 - we don't wanna just change it without consulting the subcommittees, I'd like to go back to them and 00:24:13.758 --> 00:24:19.840 - say, this has been brought to my attention or brought to our intention. Did you talk about this? Or 00:24:19.840 --> 00:24:24.766 - how you arrived. How you arrived at this conclusion, correct. And then we'll be, 00:24:25.442 --> 00:24:32.208 - more of an informal process, I think, getting with the subcommittee and kind of like where the House 00:24:32.208 --> 00:24:39.310 - and Senate gets together and works out all the details. Yeah, exactly, that works well. I probably should 00:24:39.310 --> 00:24:46.210 - have brought that up. Sorry about that. Your organization fails now because I brought that up now. But 00:24:46.210 --> 00:24:53.311 - I think that would be a good thing to do and that way they can see the evolution. And we can also respond 00:24:53.311 --> 00:24:54.718 - individually to them 00:24:55.458 --> 00:25:01.992 - they say why was this that doesn't need to be part of the plan necessarily but if we get a lot of questions 00:25:01.992 --> 00:25:08.041 - with that well that might be something worth in in the comprehensive plan okay to explain because I 00:25:08.041 --> 00:25:14.212 - think Sheridan and Adams did that too on some things mentioning Sheridan Adams the Sheridan and Adams 00:25:14.212 --> 00:25:20.382 - township complete reorganization proposal is now available it's hosted on the Ellisville website it's 00:25:20.382 --> 00:25:24.254 - linked correct Ellisville richland info org so you can download 00:25:24.514 --> 00:25:30.320 - the entire document from their reorganization and look through it all in detail. And we are referring 00:25:30.320 --> 00:25:36.070 - to that as a guide to understand how they did that. We're not just transposing it onto our situation 00:25:36.070 --> 00:25:41.933 - because our situation is a little bit different, but you can look at that and get a good sense of what 00:25:41.933 --> 00:25:47.796 - our reorganization proposal is probably going to include by the time we have our draft done at the end 00:25:47.796 --> 00:25:52.862 - of March, beginning of April. Exactly. But what's the committee's thoughts about putting 00:25:53.474 --> 00:26:01.897 - once we get the final draft from the subcommittees, putting that up and discussing that at our other 00:26:01.897 --> 00:26:10.320 - meetings, our other concerns. Should we have a motion for that? Do we need a motion? All right, I'll 00:26:10.320 --> 00:26:18.743 - make a motion to post the final draft reports before the final subcommittee draft reports, before we 00:26:18.743 --> 00:26:21.662 - form them into a final draft plan. 00:26:22.402 --> 00:26:30.991 - Is that clear enough, you think, Darla? I understand what you're talking about. Okay. Thank you. Okay. 00:26:30.991 --> 00:26:39.330 - Moved by Williams, seconded by Dawn. Any discussion on that proposal to post the subcommittee final 00:26:39.330 --> 00:26:47.753 - reports prior to creating a comprehensive reorganization proposal for the council? Okay. I vote yes. 00:26:47.753 --> 00:26:51.422 - William? Yes. Dr. Sanders? Yes. Kevin? Yes. 00:26:52.354 --> 00:26:59.860 - And Mike? Yes. Motion passes. Thank you. And Denise, I figure what we'll just do is we'll put them on 00:26:59.860 --> 00:27:07.660 - the town website and link it to the main website like we did with the reorganization plan. Do you foresee 00:27:07.660 --> 00:27:15.166 - any issues with that? No. Okay. Any other items that the committee would like to bring up or discuss? 00:27:18.530 --> 00:27:24.993 - Do you have anything? Well, yeah, I failed to mention that. We're about to print some flyers. That's 00:27:24.993 --> 00:27:31.776 - an updated fact sheet. They'll have a QR code on it. And once we have them, then we'll put them in public 00:27:31.776 --> 00:27:38.559 - places like library, post office, here. And actually, they'll be available for your use if you're talking 00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:44.702 - to some people. And it's nice to leave something with them so it's easier to retain some of the 00:27:45.826 --> 00:27:54.068 - talking points and it's pretty short and, you know, it's to the point. So we're working on that. They'll 00:27:54.068 --> 00:28:02.310 - probably be ready in about eight days. Denise wanted me to ask you, did you get permits for those signs? 00:28:02.310 --> 00:28:10.238 - Hot in here tonight, isn't it? At our last public meeting it was just after the snow and some of the 00:28:10.238 --> 00:28:14.398 - attendees from the public had not yet received their 00:28:14.530 --> 00:28:20.523 - small hand bills, notifying them in the mail. I wanted to just pull the public while you're here. Have 00:28:20.523 --> 00:28:26.458 - all of you received a mailer? If you live in the area of Richland Township or the town of Ellisville, 00:28:26.458 --> 00:28:32.451 - have any of you not received a mailer about this? Okay. If you have not received one, please come find 00:28:32.451 --> 00:28:36.350 - me. As soon as the meeting is done, I want to talk to you briefly. 00:28:36.450 --> 00:28:41.708 - And then the second question was, Dr. Sanders, you talked about the period after the council, after 00:28:41.708 --> 00:28:47.072 - we submit the plan to state and council approves it, and there's a period of time in which we have to 00:28:47.072 --> 00:28:52.435 - make sure the public understands exactly what they're voting on, but there's some event that triggers 00:28:52.435 --> 00:28:57.904 - the point at which we can no longer spend public funds to advertise any of the details about it, right? 00:28:57.904 --> 00:28:59.902 - And something about elected officials 00:29:00.866 --> 00:29:07.262 - Well, we can. I don't think we can use town phones or resources to lobby for it. But we can do things 00:29:07.262 --> 00:29:13.532 - as private citizens. But there's no restriction on maintaining and updating the website during that 00:29:13.532 --> 00:29:19.866 - period. I would not think so. I mean, I don't know what other updates we would need to put on there. 00:29:19.866 --> 00:29:26.136 - Because once the final plan's on there, then it's kind of like after the state approves it, there's 00:29:26.136 --> 00:29:28.958 - no changes that can be made. Correct, Darla? 00:29:29.474 --> 00:29:37.910 - The only change is it passed or failed. Correct. I mean, once you've supported it to the DLGF. Yes. 00:29:37.910 --> 00:29:46.768 - And if it's after July 15th, you're in it for the long haul. It's going to be on the ballot in November. 00:29:46.768 --> 00:29:54.782 - Okay. If the two boards approve the plan. On the question of how we communicate to the public, 00:29:55.042 --> 00:30:01.626 - Because we have a fairly short window of time from now until we submit our proposal to the council and 00:30:01.626 --> 00:30:08.018 - the township board, I really want to focus on making sure that the people in the affected area know 00:30:08.018 --> 00:30:14.539 - as much about it while it's still in draft form before it locks. At which point, we're only trying to 00:30:14.539 --> 00:30:21.059 - make them understand what it has to be or not. And it's all or nothing, pass or fail. Right. Where we 00:30:21.059 --> 00:30:24.958 - could have overcome some issue or concern they had now. Yes. 00:30:25.314 --> 00:30:32.474 - And my goal wasn't to lobby for it, as much as to make sure that, you know, we've probably all gone 00:30:32.474 --> 00:30:39.991 - to the voting booth. Well, in my day, we call them voting booth. It's probably different now, but. Still 00:30:39.991 --> 00:30:47.294 - call it that. Going and all of a sudden you have something before you that you're being asked to vote 00:30:47.294 --> 00:30:53.022 - on and you don't have a clue what it's about. And I just want to make sure that 00:30:54.082 --> 00:31:02.173 - I don't wanna violate any restrictions as far as lobbying, but I do want people to be able to go to 00:31:02.173 --> 00:31:10.587 - the voting booth informed. Absolutely. And I've said, and I know there's a couple other volunteers that 00:31:10.587 --> 00:31:19.406 - have been willing to do that. I will get every door knocked in the entire township in the town of Ellisville 00:31:19.406 --> 00:31:22.238 - when it comes to, and once we have 00:31:22.978 --> 00:31:29.462 - brochures and a firm plan, a fact sheet to hand out. So if they aren't home, I'll leave it on their 00:31:29.462 --> 00:31:36.205 - door, like we do political things. There's still going to be people to say, I don't know anything about 00:31:36.205 --> 00:31:42.819 - that. But then during Election Day, there's two polling places, we should actually, as members of the 00:31:42.819 --> 00:31:49.886 - public, be doing the same thing, talking to people as we're going into the polls, answering their questions. 00:31:52.066 --> 00:32:00.676 - I mean, nobody was required to do that, but I will be doing that. And it's, that's the only way I can 00:32:00.676 --> 00:32:09.286 - think of that we get, I don't know if the mailer was costly and it didn't deliver. We still had a lot 00:32:09.286 --> 00:32:17.812 - of people that it didn't. Right. And actually it was a lot less than we thought. And so if you think 00:32:17.812 --> 00:32:20.766 - we ought to have another go at it, 00:32:21.410 --> 00:32:31.413 - It's affordable. Okay, I like that. It's less than $2,000. I believe that's what we pay. Including postage? 00:32:31.413 --> 00:32:40.767 - Yeah. I'd have to look it up, but it was very affordable. We was happily pleased. Okay. So that went 00:32:40.767 --> 00:32:50.029 - to all residents in the township or registered voters? Well, all registered voters. In the township 00:32:50.029 --> 00:32:51.326 - and the town. 00:32:53.634 --> 00:33:01.899 - and I've gotten a couple of names so far and I've looked, I've gotten seven names have not received 00:33:01.899 --> 00:33:10.496 - postcards. All seven of them were on the master list we sent and addresses were correct. I have no idea 00:33:10.496 --> 00:33:19.009 - why they haven't gotten them. You're not gonna know this, but 6,500 households in the township. Do you 00:33:19.009 --> 00:33:21.406 - know how many we mailed out? 00:33:21.794 --> 00:33:28.208 - 6,500, all of them, yeah. So all of them are registered voters? Yeah. Yes. Yeah, I was looking up how 00:33:28.208 --> 00:33:34.559 - much it costs right now, so. Well, I take that back, you did now. While I was looking that up, if we 00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:40.910 - have the funds, if it was more affordable than we initially projected to send the mailing out to the 00:33:40.910 --> 00:33:47.198 - entire affected area, at what point would be the appropriate time to send a follow-up mailer? Where 00:33:47.198 --> 00:33:50.782 - in the process is the information going to be actionable 00:33:51.682 --> 00:33:57.624 - and still helpful before it gets locked? I think we need to send it by the first of March. Yeah, by 00:33:57.624 --> 00:34:03.863 - the time the subcommittees. Right, because if we send it the first of March, they'll start getting them, 00:34:03.863 --> 00:34:09.805 - I would say between the 10th and the 15th of March. I hope that's not true. I hope it's faster than 00:34:09.805 --> 00:34:15.866 - that. Well, but at that time, that would still be in the window of when we haven't finalized the plan 00:34:15.866 --> 00:34:18.718 - yet. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm getting at. 00:34:19.266 --> 00:34:26.141 - get it to the public before we finalize it. Are you saying that there are laws permitting us to share 00:34:26.141 --> 00:34:33.084 - information to the public in October? I mean, yeah, as long as we're not using town or township funds. 00:34:33.084 --> 00:34:39.824 - That's my understanding, isn't it? Correct, Darla? I'll have to look at this. I don't think there's 00:34:39.824 --> 00:34:47.710 - like a gag order. I think it's just that at that point in time, I think it's public access, not necessarily parking. 00:34:48.706 --> 00:34:56.432 - Well, yeah, I mean, if somebody has, you can present the factual plan, you can't say you need to vote 00:34:56.432 --> 00:35:04.462 - yes on this plan. I'm pretty sure that's correct, but Darla's gonna double check, and if you know anybody 00:35:04.462 --> 00:35:12.113 - that's done school referendums, it's guided by the same statute, I believe, so, yeah. It was $1,000. 00:35:12.113 --> 00:35:15.294 - It had to be more than that. 7,200 cards. 00:35:16.226 --> 00:35:33.246 - Yeah, that can't be the postage too. Because the postage would probably be close to $3,000. The postage 00:35:33.246 --> 00:35:46.174 - was. Right. Okay, well, Mike's looking that up. I was looking for my postcard. 00:35:46.882 --> 00:35:56.125 - And when it came, four other mailers at about the same color and same size came in my mail on the same 00:35:56.125 --> 00:36:05.369 - day. I'm not sure that would be true for everyone else. But what that tells me is that perhaps if your 00:36:05.369 --> 00:36:14.881 - second mailer needs to look a little different. And the other thing is that when I looked at it, I waited 00:36:14.881 --> 00:36:16.766 - for something to say 00:36:17.538 --> 00:36:24.101 - something about citizen of township or citizen of the town, something to that effect. And I didn't see 00:36:24.101 --> 00:36:30.791 - anything like that hitting me in the face. So I thought maybe you might want to think a little bit about 00:36:30.791 --> 00:36:37.417 - that as well. Well, the reason we didn't, because it went to the entire township, not everybody. That's 00:36:37.417 --> 00:36:43.852 - what I'm saying. If you're a resident of the township or you're a resident of the city, something to 00:36:43.852 --> 00:36:46.974 - that effect, it didn't hit me is all I'm saying. 00:36:47.138 --> 00:36:53.184 - and I was waiting for it to. And then it talked about the meetings, but it just said the next meeting, 00:36:53.184 --> 00:36:59.231 - and then every two weeks. I wonder if it would almost be worth it to actually print those days. I have 00:36:59.231 --> 00:37:05.336 - them on my sheet, and without them, I wouldn't remember. Is this the week, or was it next week? So it's 00:37:05.336 --> 00:37:11.088 - just a thought. I think we have thought about that. It's just that you get so many words. I know. 00:37:11.088 --> 00:37:15.902 - And it was, but it was very good. But I'm just saying, I think maybe it was a bad 00:37:16.162 --> 00:37:28.750 - that situation. 16 point font is probably the biggest disability Americans really most worldwide have 00:37:28.750 --> 00:37:40.597 - is vision. And 16 point font is the smallest they recommend you put on those things. Yes. Okay. 00:37:40.597 --> 00:37:44.670 - All right. That is good to know. 00:37:45.826 --> 00:37:52.832 - No print on blue? Okay. What time do we have to stop? Ten till. Ten till. Ten till. Okay, I want to 00:37:52.832 --> 00:37:59.977 - make sure I'll give the public some more time. What time was the home show again? What were the dates 00:37:59.977 --> 00:38:00.958 - and the time? 00:38:08.098 --> 00:38:14.603 - I just commented on stop time to make sure everyone here understands we have a 650 hard stop because 00:38:14.603 --> 00:38:21.302 - of other scheduling this evening. So we have about 12 more minutes, 11 more minutes to wrap up anything 00:38:21.302 --> 00:38:27.743 - else for this meeting. I have something I'll mention. Oh, we got it. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead, 00:38:27.743 --> 00:38:34.506 - Jason. Jason Barrett, I was just making a comment with my body brain that a lot of people are, depending 00:38:34.506 --> 00:38:37.598 - on their news and information from their phone, 00:38:38.082 --> 00:38:43.431 - Today, you look at the demographics we have here, and everybody's around my age or older. How do we 00:38:43.431 --> 00:38:48.780 - get to that younger group that I'm not sure everybody's reading their mail? So I know there's a lot 00:38:48.780 --> 00:38:54.183 - of social media that we can do that's probably free or cheap. Any way to do that, high neighbor, I'm 00:38:54.183 --> 00:38:59.532 - not sure that's the best one, but there's a lot of people out there might get a lot of feedback you 00:38:59.532 --> 00:39:05.630 - don't want to. Maybe it's just a posting of things. But I do think it's a really good way to hit a broad audience 00:39:06.338 --> 00:39:14.040 - F, we're just trying to depend on the mail to inform people. Excuse me. We have a question on chat. 00:39:14.040 --> 00:39:22.358 - OK. Jenny W wants to know, is there a specific reason informational postcards are only mailed to registered 00:39:22.358 --> 00:39:29.907 - voters? Yes, because they're the ones that's going to be voting for this and making the decision. 00:39:29.907 --> 00:39:31.678 - Thank you. Yes, ma'am. 00:39:31.842 --> 00:39:39.308 - Hi, this is Final County Council. So I wanted to know about the public question when you get to the 00:39:39.308 --> 00:39:46.848 - point of having it on the ballot. So now I do this. So I wanted to know about the public question as 00:39:46.848 --> 00:39:54.537 - far as who's going to craft that, how that process looks. The public question on the ballot. What will 00:39:54.537 --> 00:40:00.062 - the question be? Because I'm sure you've all had public questions before. 00:40:00.162 --> 00:40:06.324 - You know, and it's all about. And sometimes the wording. Oh, it's difficult. It confuses people to vote 00:40:06.324 --> 00:40:12.367 - for something that they didn't want to vote for. Is there a word limit? I mean, who craps it? There's 00:40:12.367 --> 00:40:18.470 - a statute that suggests what the language is, shall blank in certain name of political subdivision and 00:40:18.470 --> 00:40:24.513 - blank in certain name of political subdivision reorganize as a single political subdivision. And then 00:40:24.513 --> 00:40:30.142 - that language goes to the DLGF and they decide whether or not it's accurate, fair, not biased. 00:40:30.530 --> 00:40:40.405 - but it's basically a sentence. Okay, so it's pretty kind of almost short and sweet at that. Yes. Okay, 00:40:40.405 --> 00:40:50.568 - thank you. Hi, my name's Lisa McCarchuck. I live in Kelly Heights and I'm grateful that y'all are working 00:40:50.568 --> 00:40:58.238 - so hard to keep Ellitsville intact. I think we have great public services here. 00:40:58.946 --> 00:41:09.439 - And part of that is because they're local. And I think it's a great idea to expand the tax base in order 00:41:09.439 --> 00:41:19.432 - to preserve Ellitsville. But being within the town limits, I'm wondering, I know you said you don't 00:41:19.432 --> 00:41:28.926 - have numbers yet. There's more than twice as many voters in my understanding outside the town. 00:41:29.154 --> 00:41:41.450 - limits as in. So and right now my understanding of how the taxes will change. It's an easier sell to 00:41:41.450 --> 00:41:54.111 - that majority to join Aletsville. It's not going to impact their taxes tax rate as much. And so I think 00:41:54.111 --> 00:41:58.494 - you know where I'm going with this. 00:41:58.722 --> 00:42:10.129 - I would hope that as soon as possible, there would be a clear communication to all the residents of 00:42:10.129 --> 00:42:21.878 - the affected area as to how this will affect their taxes. I've been trying to educate myself about all 00:42:21.878 --> 00:42:24.958 - this. It's not easy to do. 00:42:25.282 --> 00:42:34.775 - I only found out about this happenstance through an IDS article last fall. I didn't know about the meetings, 00:42:34.775 --> 00:42:43.484 - but anyway, I better cut myself off, because I know we're running out of time. I do want to let you 00:42:43.484 --> 00:42:52.454 - know that if it goes to referendum, that the township will have to have 51% or more, and the town will 00:42:52.454 --> 00:42:54.718 - have to have 51% or more. 00:42:55.170 --> 00:43:04.760 - in the township that vote for it versus the town, it still has to be that 51% or more. So it's not because 00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:14.261 - the township has more residents than the town. You don't have to worry about, because there's more people 00:43:14.261 --> 00:43:24.478 - voting, that they're going to automatically be the pickers of how this goes. And I guess one last thing would be, 00:43:26.018 --> 00:43:34.030 - Is that differential in the tax change set in stone already? No, okay. That's still fluid. It's gonna 00:43:34.030 --> 00:43:41.885 - depend on the services. It's gonna depend on what the plan is and they'll back into it. And I would 00:43:41.885 --> 00:43:49.819 - say I'd recommend that if anybody is, the stuff I hand out, I would encourage whoever pays for that, 00:43:49.819 --> 00:43:54.846 - because it wouldn't be the town, but that they put a comparison 00:43:55.426 --> 00:44:02.599 - before and after and also what your taxes would be if the fire district goes in, which is a real concern 00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:09.430 - for residents. So you can kind of see the different options. So option A is this, option B is this. 00:44:09.430 --> 00:44:16.399 - Trying to get it, I hope it can be as simple and straightforward as possible so it's not confusing to 00:44:16.399 --> 00:44:17.150 - the voter. 00:44:26.466 --> 00:44:32.391 - and publicize that conduit. Like, if you're always gonna post things in a certain place, just make sure 00:44:32.391 --> 00:44:38.145 - everybody knows where that is. That's what Andrew's been promoting, the website. That's probably the 00:44:38.145 --> 00:44:43.386 - biggest place, because that's linking to everything else that we talk about. Our website is 00:44:43.386 --> 00:44:49.311 - ellensbillrichlandinfo.org. Okay, okay. And if there's something not on there you need, email me, we'll 00:44:49.311 --> 00:44:55.122 - email us, and I will get it on there. Thank you so much. Thank you, Lisa. Thanks everybody. You might 00:44:55.122 --> 00:44:56.318 - mention that there's 00:44:56.930 --> 00:45:04.534 - approximately 7,000 people in Ellisville and 8,000 to 8,500 in the township. So we'd sent out 00:45:04.534 --> 00:45:12.948 - some information that would have made you thought different, but it's not even, but it's close to even. 00:45:12.948 --> 00:45:21.199 - And I don't know if there's legal statute that we have to follow on how the vote is done. I know that 00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:25.406 - the township votes and the town votes, but is that, 00:45:25.570 --> 00:45:32.527 - a legal requirement that it meet a standard by both. Participation. Or is it a decision we make how 00:45:32.527 --> 00:45:39.484 - it gets voted upon? Okay. My understanding that's by statute, isn't it? Thank you. Thank you, Lisa. 00:45:39.484 --> 00:45:46.510 - Okay. We're running out of time. Oh, I just have a couple quick questions. Will this, when taxes are 00:45:46.510 --> 00:45:54.302 - affected, will this be referendum taxes? I think they call it like when a school is gonna be built and they add 00:45:54.850 --> 00:46:01.841 - So that it can be above the 1% or 2% limit? No. Right. My understanding that correctly, Darla and Eric, 00:46:01.841 --> 00:46:09.235 - this just sets the new tax rate for the new entity. It can't go above caps and can't go above the traditional 00:46:09.235 --> 00:46:16.024 - levy amount. Am I correct on that? It's not like a referendum tax. A referendum tax can go on top of 00:46:16.024 --> 00:46:22.814 - the current taxes. Right. So this would just reorganize. That's not the way this works. This is just 00:46:22.814 --> 00:46:24.158 - set a new tax rate. 00:46:25.506 --> 00:46:33.320 - right? It's not that plus. The reorganization. The reorganization tax rate that goes through. There's 00:46:33.320 --> 00:46:40.980 - an estimated tax. But it's still going to be capped at the one or two percent. It's not going to be 00:46:40.980 --> 00:46:48.794 - a referendum tax. I'm seeing Paige back there from Baker and Tilley. She's saying yes, the caps would 00:46:48.794 --> 00:46:52.318 - still apply. Okay. It's not a referendum tax. 00:46:52.706 --> 00:47:00.946 - And are there any town council members for Alexville that are opposed to this? None that I know of. 00:47:00.946 --> 00:47:09.185 - Okay. You had said something earlier that made me think there are organizations that are supporting 00:47:09.185 --> 00:47:17.589 - this and maybe contributing funds or time or something. Not yet. Not yet. There's been offers to help 00:47:17.589 --> 00:47:20.638 - with getting the information out and 00:47:20.770 --> 00:47:28.412 - and maybe even supporting it, but it's just offers. There's no been any formal arrangements. Okay. And 00:47:28.412 --> 00:47:36.350 - if there are, will there be public information like on the website so that people know? I think everything 00:47:36.350 --> 00:47:43.844 - I do is public information. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. All right. We have two minutes. 00:47:43.844 --> 00:47:44.734 - Real quick. 00:47:44.962 --> 00:47:51.415 - Kathy Waller, I just have a comment. I did look at the Sheridan plan and I was impressed because there 00:47:51.415 --> 00:47:57.930 - were so many graphics, right? A lot of plans and delineations and explanations of what areas this would 00:47:57.930 --> 00:48:04.445 - affect and maybe graphs, I don't know. I'm just saying, hopefully, that, I know you're pressed on time, 00:48:04.445 --> 00:48:10.898 - but to get some graphics out there on the website would be helpful. Okay, there, okay. William, should 00:48:10.898 --> 00:48:14.782 - you mention that there's a fire territory hearing after this? 00:48:14.946 --> 00:48:22.710 - Yes, there's a fire territory meeting after this for the town and township boards. Quickly, I just want 00:48:22.710 --> 00:48:30.251 - to add the finance committee report is going to add so much information that people are asking. It's 00:48:30.251 --> 00:48:37.865 - going to answer a lot of their questions. So if they can hold on for another week, they'll be in good 00:48:37.865 --> 00:48:43.614 - shape. I appreciate you saying that. Good. Thank you. I'm Gary Teller Tondo. 00:48:44.034 --> 00:48:53.601 - I'm sorry if you have any other comments, feel free to contact any of us. Yes, we'll contact us on the 00:48:53.601 --> 00:48:57.502 - way out. Meeting is concluded. Thank you.