WEBVTT 00:00:00.738 --> 00:00:08.642 - All right, good evening. This is a meeting for the Rich and Elephant Reorganization Committee, and we'll 00:00:08.642 --> 00:00:16.244 - start with a word of prayer by Kevin. Father, we thank you for this day. Thank you for this weather. 00:00:16.244 --> 00:00:23.922 - It's supposed to be raining all day, and it's nice that it's not. We thank you for the opportunity to 00:00:23.922 --> 00:00:28.062 - gather like this and do what it is we're trying to do. 00:00:28.450 --> 00:00:36.764 - Help us with that, make sure that all the people involved feel like they're being, that they understand 00:00:36.764 --> 00:00:45.239 - it and that they're being represented. And try to make this meeting short. In Jesus' name, amen. I pledge 00:00:45.239 --> 00:00:53.233 - allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one 00:00:53.233 --> 00:00:58.430 - nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:01:04.866 --> 00:01:16.855 - Just one second. All right. Andrew Henry, present. Kevin Ferris. Here. Jerry Sanders. Present. 00:01:16.855 --> 00:01:29.602 - Mike Kornman. Present. Scott Reynolds. Here. Don Durnall. Present. William Ellis. Here. All present. 00:01:29.602 --> 00:01:34.398 - All right. Minutes have been set out. 00:01:34.754 --> 00:01:43.894 - Do we have a motion to accept them? So moved. Second. All right. Any discussion? This is a motion to 00:01:43.894 --> 00:01:53.306 - approve the minutes from two nights ago Monday. I'll go ahead and call it then. I vote yes. Kevin? Yes. 00:01:53.306 --> 00:02:00.094 - Jerry? Yes. Mike? Yes. Scott? Yes. Dawn? Yes. William? Yes. Motion passes. 00:02:00.514 --> 00:02:08.078 - I just want to thank you for, I mean, that was amazing getting those minutes out that quickly. Obviously 00:02:08.078 --> 00:02:15.497 - you don't have nothing else to do. I had a lot of espresso yesterday morning. All right, would anybody 00:02:15.497 --> 00:02:22.917 - from the public like to make a comment before we get started? Okay, I think the main order of business 00:02:22.917 --> 00:02:26.014 - tonight is to look at planning and zoning. 00:02:27.362 --> 00:02:35.173 - So I'll just open it up for discussion among the committee. Well, I think one of the questions that's 00:02:35.173 --> 00:02:43.137 - been on my mind that might address some other questions that I could ask, so I'll start with the bigger 00:02:43.137 --> 00:02:50.871 - one, and I know that there's been some discussion about this already in terms of the parallel tracks 00:02:50.871 --> 00:02:57.150 - that we talked about at the last meeting, but I think my concern, especially from 00:02:57.858 --> 00:03:05.937 - the perspective of the township is just that obviously if you're in the existing town, the zoning is 00:03:05.937 --> 00:03:13.936 - a known quantity because there's already ordinances in place. And so right now if we were to simply 00:03:13.936 --> 00:03:21.934 - adopt this plan and then, you know, this was the most that we would know about zoning on day one of 00:03:21.934 --> 00:03:24.414 - reorganized town and township. 00:03:24.834 --> 00:03:32.132 - be very hard to know in the township what that meant for me or for my neighbors. So I think it'd be 00:03:32.132 --> 00:03:39.575 - good if we could figure out the parallel tracks that we talked about a little bit. Obviously, there's 00:03:39.575 --> 00:03:46.873 - only so much that we're going to be able to get done in the next week, but it would be good to know 00:03:46.873 --> 00:03:54.462 - what we might task, you know, or what might happen between now and November voting day that would allow 00:03:55.362 --> 00:04:03.707 - as a township resident to know, me to know what is my zoning and what is my land use regulation gonna 00:04:03.707 --> 00:04:11.151 - be on day one of a reorganized town? My understanding is whatever it is today, no. I think 00:04:11.151 --> 00:04:19.414 - it'd be appropriate, Denise, would you wanna kind of go through what is planned for the first of the 00:04:19.414 --> 00:04:21.950 - year, what we've talked about, 00:04:22.370 --> 00:04:31.593 - I think what you talked about in your subcommittee, but about a future UDO and planning and zoning. 00:04:31.593 --> 00:04:40.909 - Yeah, so all of the subcommittee members but one were in the township. So it was very important that 00:04:40.909 --> 00:04:49.118 - how they come into the town is how they will be. We'll of course honor whatever that is, 00:04:49.666 --> 00:04:57.927 - The subcommittee report made provisions if they want to make changes or if they want to come into the 00:04:57.927 --> 00:05:06.431 - town. They tried to stick with the town district and the rural district to follow along with the taxing. 00:05:06.431 --> 00:05:14.530 - And so we will be, of course, amending our unified development ordinance and our comprehensive plan 00:05:14.530 --> 00:05:19.390 - accordingly to include the rural district and town district 00:05:19.490 --> 00:05:29.535 - We have no intention of changing any zoning for anybody, whether it's in the town or the township. For 00:05:29.535 --> 00:05:39.288 - example, Monroe County uses AGRR, agricultural rural reserve. It'll just simply become agriculture. 00:05:39.288 --> 00:05:47.870 - It's basically the same thing, and so that's our intent, and we intend to be ready with 00:05:48.034 --> 00:05:56.067 - both of those to move forward around the first of the year. With that, and of course there'll be public 00:05:56.067 --> 00:06:03.945 - meetings, public hearings, I'll have to go for the plan commission and the town council. So residents 00:06:03.945 --> 00:06:11.669 - will be able to come and have a say and have opportunity to read it before the public hearing. Does 00:06:11.669 --> 00:06:15.454 - that answer the question? Yeah, it really helps. 00:06:15.906 --> 00:06:26.798 - the intent would be to look at what the Monroe County zoning is for a particular parcel and try to find 00:06:26.798 --> 00:06:37.481 - the category that's most similar. Correct. And one of the things we also have to update is our zoning 00:06:37.481 --> 00:06:40.414 - map to now include Richland 00:06:42.754 --> 00:06:48.960 - And that will also be presented at the public hearings for people to look at. Sometimes it's easier 00:06:48.960 --> 00:06:55.291 - to see a map. Right, yeah. No, that's what I was, the first, one of the first things that occurred to 00:06:55.291 --> 00:07:01.559 - me was just, you know, if somebody were to come to me and ask, you know, after we approve, you know, 00:07:01.559 --> 00:07:07.765 - a plan, how do I know what my situation is gonna be on day one? Having some sort of map for them to 00:07:07.765 --> 00:07:12.606 - look at, you know, just to confirm in their own minds what that's going to be 00:07:13.186 --> 00:07:20.366 - I think would be very important to establish as much as possible before election day. Because I just, 00:07:20.366 --> 00:07:27.405 - otherwise I think there'll just be a lot of questions and people will be feeling like they would be 00:07:27.405 --> 00:07:34.585 - asked to sign up for something where they don't really know what they're signing up for. We also have 00:07:34.585 --> 00:07:41.694 - budgeted money so we can take a professional approach to this, not unlike when we did our first UDO. 00:07:41.826 --> 00:07:50.048 - went through planning and zoning. The first time we went through it, there was a collection of what, 00:07:50.048 --> 00:07:58.758 - 15 or 20 people? 16 people and a consultant and it was about a year long process. Yeah, so it is a process 00:07:58.758 --> 00:08:06.654 - and it's a planned process. As far as I understand, in this parallel track approach, we can have 00:08:07.618 --> 00:08:14.786 - We can be working on a new UDO in advance of the reorganization vote, but we can't put that UDO in place 00:08:14.786 --> 00:08:22.091 - for any part of the township. So on day one, that new reorganized committee is responsible to move forward 00:08:22.091 --> 00:08:29.122 - from there and clarify what's happening. Correct. It would be up to the newly reorganized town council 00:08:29.122 --> 00:08:36.222 - to approve the new zoning ordinance. Right. So we can see a draft here, but it can't be locked in until 00:08:36.222 --> 00:08:37.246 - after day one. 00:08:38.274 --> 00:08:43.975 - Is that a concern? That's correct. If we do a graphic or something, it would show, this is 00:08:43.975 --> 00:08:50.365 - what an expectation is. We'd have to put something that so people know it's not final, and they still 00:08:50.365 --> 00:08:57.193 - will get public input into it. Right, we'd put something like, sorry. Oh, that's okay. It's for illustrative 00:08:57.193 --> 00:09:03.771 - purposes, and it could change or not change. You know, there could be changes. But when we have it ready 00:09:03.771 --> 00:09:06.590 - for that, it'll probably be what it will be. 00:09:07.362 --> 00:09:14.321 - When does the process start after the election and assuming it goes forward? We hope to start before 00:09:14.321 --> 00:09:21.280 - that. We're going to start as soon as possible. Because last time it took almost a year, but I think 00:09:21.280 --> 00:09:28.308 - the reason it took that long is because the town hadn't updated its UDO in a while. So since you just 00:09:28.308 --> 00:09:34.302 - updated it, it'll be two years ago, either this August or September, and the comp plan 00:09:34.498 --> 00:09:40.970 - was redone how many years ago, five? 23. Okay, so. I just wanted everybody to hear that. Yes, so it 00:09:40.970 --> 00:09:47.443 - shouldn't take that long to toggle with it a little bit. Our intent is to have it ready, go through 00:09:47.443 --> 00:09:54.304 - the planning commission, you know, it's probably gonna take longer than one meeting, that'll be, there'll 00:09:54.304 --> 00:09:59.870 - be public meetings before that, and then a public hearing at the planning commission. 00:10:00.226 --> 00:10:08.054 - and then however many meetings that takes, then they will make a recommendation to town council and 00:10:08.054 --> 00:10:16.039 - then it'll move on to town council and it may take a few meetings to get through the town council. It 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:23.397 - isn't really the heart of what we're doing here. The fact that the township and the town will 00:10:23.397 --> 00:10:28.094 - have representation because it seems to be there's gonna be 00:10:28.738 --> 00:10:37.128 - a lot of decisions that are going to be made in all the areas that we've talked about Monday night and 00:10:37.128 --> 00:10:45.356 - tonight. That the key is, and what hopefully our citizens will understand is, as these decisions, if 00:10:45.356 --> 00:10:53.502 - we want to talk about planning and zoning, that will be coming to us in the future, the key is that 00:10:53.502 --> 00:10:57.982 - they'll be well represented in those future decisions. 00:10:58.882 --> 00:11:07.575 - legs of this whole project. And when we appeal to people, I know there is a neighborhood that thinks, 00:11:07.575 --> 00:11:16.098 - well, we're established. We're finding a county. Why would we want to change? And for them, my only 00:11:16.098 --> 00:11:25.132 - answer would be, will you be represented for everything that's going to change around you? And so whether 00:11:25.132 --> 00:11:27.518 - we do reorganize or we just 00:11:27.746 --> 00:11:34.681 - take a little longer process where we just keep annexing and growing. It's good to have a voice for 00:11:34.681 --> 00:11:41.893 - how we want things to be 10 and 20 years from now. Because that's when it's going to be important. What 00:11:41.893 --> 00:11:48.967 - happens next year is nothing big is going to happen next year, although as we know from three or four 00:11:48.967 --> 00:11:55.070 - years ago, you never know what somebody's thinking and what somebody might be planning. 00:11:55.234 --> 00:12:02.733 - And I watched the news before I came here, and there's a town somewhere where they're, I'll say it, 00:12:02.733 --> 00:12:10.307 - they're promoting a data center, and a lot of the residents don't want it, and I'm sure there's some 00:12:10.307 --> 00:12:18.331 - people that are not representative. They can't be represented because they're not in the correct position, 00:12:18.331 --> 00:12:24.030 - whether they're in the township or the town. Anyway, things change quickly, 00:12:24.322 --> 00:12:32.774 - And so even if you're okay with the way things are now, what about 10 years from now? I think that the 00:12:32.774 --> 00:12:41.144 - question of representation is actually an interesting one because I think that we would need to think 00:12:41.144 --> 00:12:49.595 - about how do we make sure that even if it can't be formal voting representation in this process of UDO 00:12:49.595 --> 00:12:53.534 - redesign or expansion between now and November, 00:12:54.082 --> 00:13:01.762 - how do we establish some sort of advisory positions or just voices at the table ensuring that township 00:13:01.762 --> 00:13:09.443 - residents would be heard in that process? Because otherwise it would just be the town and current town 00:13:09.443 --> 00:13:17.496 - board members who would be doing that work and then we would want to make sure that there was some township 00:13:17.496 --> 00:13:21.150 - representation. Is that going further than what? 00:13:22.946 --> 00:13:29.877 - This board's supposed to be thinking about it. I don't think that we need to put into this particular 00:13:29.877 --> 00:13:36.740 - plan the details about how the steering committee for the comp plan and the UDO will be organized. I 00:13:36.740 --> 00:13:43.671 - think that is outside the purview of the document. I certainly think it's worth having a conversation 00:13:43.671 --> 00:13:50.398 - about it because we're making a representation in public that those conversations will take place. 00:13:50.850 --> 00:13:57.551 - But in terms of putting that language in here, I think the plan commission subcommittee did a nice job 00:13:57.551 --> 00:14:04.317 - of putting in their report that they recommend updating the UDO and the comp plan as soon as reasonably 00:14:04.317 --> 00:14:11.083 - as possible. And Scott, as a member, which would be from the town, on the county council the first year 00:14:11.083 --> 00:14:17.654 - this is going to happen, I can tell you I would support having the majority of the people on the UDO 00:14:17.654 --> 00:14:20.126 - since the actual square miles of land 00:14:20.322 --> 00:14:27.480 - is in the old township area of having more, their representation more than the existing town, because 00:14:27.480 --> 00:14:34.848 - the town UDO is pretty much done. We did that two years ago. So what the question is, is we're expanding 00:14:34.848 --> 00:14:41.936 - it to the township, the old township area. So I, I mean, I can't speak for the other four members of 00:14:41.936 --> 00:14:49.374 - the board, but I can tell you I would support having more township representation on there than old town. 00:14:49.858 --> 00:14:59.900 - Isn't it more correct to say the new UDO is we are redoing the UDO with the thought that we are now 00:14:59.900 --> 00:15:10.645 - the whole township as opposed to moving it over and then updating just including the township. We actually 00:15:10.645 --> 00:15:19.582 - are gonna redo the UDO. There's things we will change and obviously we've got a template 00:15:19.810 --> 00:15:27.104 - But now we're a township-sized town, and so the UDO has to reflect. As Darla said, the last time it 00:15:27.104 --> 00:15:34.471 - took a year, because we were almost starting from scratch putting everything together, this would be 00:15:34.471 --> 00:15:41.765 - updating and tweaking the parts we've already done. But the big parts would be harmonizing with the 00:15:41.765 --> 00:15:49.278 - county and making sure that the township, which would be the old township residents, probably the last 00:15:49.634 --> 00:15:57.559 - time we would ever do this this transitional year would be represented more fully to address those concerns. 00:15:57.559 --> 00:16:04.902 - So can I add something? So I just wanted to tell you the subcommittee when we were talking about the 00:16:04.902 --> 00:16:12.463 - rural district in the report said the subcommittee recognizes the importance of preserving agricultural 00:16:12.463 --> 00:16:19.006 - uses and rural character within the rural district and the subcommittee recommended areas 00:16:19.202 --> 00:16:25.203 - agricultural zoning protections be maintained, the right to farm principles be incorporated into development 00:16:25.203 --> 00:16:30.985 - standards where appropriate, and zoning districts within the rural district reflect existing development 00:16:30.985 --> 00:16:36.546 - patterns and infrastructure availability. So I don't know if that helped answer your question. Yeah, 00:16:36.546 --> 00:16:42.327 - I mean, I think that's, to me anyway, and I think to some of my neighbors that I've talked to, you know, 00:16:42.327 --> 00:16:47.998 - I think that that's all very important. I think that, you know, one of the things, and I don't mean to 00:16:48.834 --> 00:16:57.866 - reopen things from a year ago. But I mean, one of the things that it looked like from the township side 00:16:57.866 --> 00:17:06.898 - was that that was protected agricultural zoning out near Flatwoods Park. So once it was annexed though, 00:17:06.898 --> 00:17:15.843 - I mean, admittedly it was at the request of the landowner at the time, the rezoning just happened very 00:17:15.843 --> 00:17:16.798 - quickly to 00:17:17.122 --> 00:17:23.349 - make that to light industrial use. And so I would just want to make sure that that's not what we mean 00:17:23.349 --> 00:17:29.454 - by agricultural zoning protections be maintained, right? Like that we would, that that would have a 00:17:29.454 --> 00:17:35.803 - lot more teeth to it than simply, well, as long as it is, you zone agricultural, they'll be maintained, 00:17:35.803 --> 00:17:41.969 - but we'll be able to flip that switch, you know, very easily, because then it kind of undermines the 00:17:41.969 --> 00:17:44.350 - idea of those protections being there. 00:17:44.994 --> 00:17:52.793 - Because I do think that this is an important issue, because a lot of people, as you pointed out, the 00:17:52.793 --> 00:18:00.593 - township is huge. And a lot of people that chose to live in the township chose to live there because 00:18:00.593 --> 00:18:08.469 - they want to live in the country and not next to light industrial. And so I think that we're going to 00:18:08.469 --> 00:18:13.566 - have to be able to be very clear on this, if we are in agreement, 00:18:13.986 --> 00:18:20.651 - that as this becomes something that's considered by the voters, that when they ask, we can say in good 00:18:20.651 --> 00:18:27.186 - conscience, good faith, that what we mean by that, that preservation. What do you think? Just out of 00:18:27.186 --> 00:18:33.850 - curiosity. Well, see, this is, and this is, you know, so moving down a little bit in the report to the 00:18:33.850 --> 00:18:40.062 - reclassification from rural district to town district, when I read the report, my understanding 00:18:40.962 --> 00:18:47.107 - that I took away was that it was the rural district concept that was going to provide the teeth to that 00:18:47.107 --> 00:18:53.371 - preservation, right, that was going to ensure that those agricultural uses and others will be maintained. 00:18:53.371 --> 00:18:59.339 - But then when we talk about in the report the reclassification from rural district to town district, 00:18:59.339 --> 00:19:05.247 - it says, you know, reclassification may be triggered by one or more of the following. And there are 00:19:05.247 --> 00:19:10.270 - many, many, many things. You know, availability of utilities, extension of services, 00:19:10.818 --> 00:19:18.439 - annexation, petition, adoption of rezoning, and then even periodic review conducted by the town council 00:19:18.439 --> 00:19:26.059 - and the plan commission. And so that makes it sound as though it would be very easy to move things from 00:19:26.059 --> 00:19:33.826 - rural to town because if one of the triggers is just utilities are available or periodic review, periodic 00:19:33.826 --> 00:19:39.102 - review means we just looked at it and decided it was gonna be town now. 00:19:39.618 --> 00:19:47.441 - I think anybody from the township who's concerned about this, who reads this, might feel like they're 00:19:47.441 --> 00:19:54.497 - not really protected. Yeah, and I've heard that concern voiced a lot in the last few weeks. 00:19:54.497 --> 00:20:02.473 - A matter of fact, probably more than anything else other than representation. For me, it all comes back 00:20:02.473 --> 00:20:05.694 - to when we say we, if we're talking about 00:20:05.954 --> 00:20:13.894 - the town or some government entity or something like that saying that we want to rezone, that's one 00:20:13.894 --> 00:20:22.152 - thing. That's what I'm totally against. But if it's somebody else, which could be your neighbor, saying 00:20:22.152 --> 00:20:30.172 - I would like to do this now, I've got the opportunity to do it, let's say sell to a developer and he 00:20:30.172 --> 00:20:34.142 - wants to develop it and turn it into residential. 00:20:35.746 --> 00:20:42.243 - As a landowner living in the township, I'm a big, hey, it's your land, that's what I hate about the 00:20:42.243 --> 00:20:49.066 - county, it's your land, you should be able to do what you want to with your land. Now, if you're talking 00:20:49.066 --> 00:20:55.563 - about putting a nuclear waste facility next to your property, absolutely, that shouldn't happen. Or 00:20:55.563 --> 00:21:02.125 - a meatpacking plant, or something like that that's gonna detrimentally affect not just your property 00:21:02.125 --> 00:21:03.230 - values, but your 00:21:04.386 --> 00:21:14.674 - your quality of life. Then the town, the government, the new entity, the government should be able to 00:21:14.674 --> 00:21:25.064 - step in and say no, for the sake of everybody, no. And the township should have a voice in that, which 00:21:25.064 --> 00:21:29.502 - brings up the whole other issue. But if the 00:21:31.170 --> 00:21:38.527 - If the landowner, if he wants to switch usage of his land, he doesn't want to farm no more, or he doesn't 00:21:38.527 --> 00:21:45.607 - want to do this, this, this, and this, I'm all for him being able to do within his land what he wants 00:21:45.607 --> 00:21:52.756 - to. That's not what you're asking though, right? Where is it? If it was in the rural district, I would 00:21:52.756 --> 00:21:56.990 - prefer that there be the preservation that Denise mentioned. 00:21:59.202 --> 00:22:07.129 - So Scott, in your mind, you've read the list of reclassification triggers. What do you think are appropriate 00:22:07.129 --> 00:22:14.983 - reclassification triggers? Because I don't think we can accept at all that there can be no reclassification 00:22:14.983 --> 00:22:22.910 - triggers at any point. Sure. I think, I mean, one critical question I think would be, right now, annexation, 00:22:22.910 --> 00:22:28.510 - for example, generally requires a certain amount of contiguity. Yeah, right. 00:22:28.866 --> 00:22:37.377 - And so I guess the question is, you know, is it intended that the town district be contiguous in the 00:22:37.377 --> 00:22:46.057 - same general fashion, or is it possible that we would wind up with pockets of town district, you know, 00:22:46.057 --> 00:22:54.484 - scattered throughout? Because I think right now, the way it's discussed, that possibility is there. 00:22:54.484 --> 00:22:58.782 - It's there. I agree, it's there. Yeah, it's there. 00:22:58.882 --> 00:23:05.739 - Okay, the county you've got the right to go to the can they've got the right to say no, but you've got 00:23:05.739 --> 00:23:12.530 - the right to do it the You know they make it so if you want if you've got I don't know how many acres 00:23:12.530 --> 00:23:19.388 - Just to make everything easy if you've got 100 acres in the county right now And you want to subdivide 00:23:19.388 --> 00:23:26.046 - that you can subdivide that into ten houses as long as you got ten acres per house you know you can 00:23:26.046 --> 00:23:27.710 - make that happen the and 00:23:28.162 --> 00:23:36.234 - They should have the right to do that if they want to do that. For one thing, have you ever farmed before? 00:23:36.234 --> 00:23:43.777 - It's a tough gig. There's a lot of better gigs. It's easier. And people don't want to farm no more, 00:23:43.777 --> 00:23:51.396 - especially the generation one or two removed. You don't see a whole lot of grandkids wanting to farm 00:23:51.396 --> 00:23:54.942 - land. I think just to, I mean, again, I'm not, 00:23:55.138 --> 00:24:01.917 - I'm just drawing out the conversation here just so we've got everything on the table. You know, I think, 00:24:01.917 --> 00:24:08.631 - I mean, you're exactly right. I mean, there are subdivision opportunities available at the county level 00:24:08.631 --> 00:24:15.280 - right now, which require pretty large lot sizes and, you know, lots of approvals and things like that. 00:24:15.280 --> 00:24:21.801 - Presumably, if, you know, I was that person with that 100 acres, though, and I was requested that my 00:24:21.801 --> 00:24:24.254 - rural parcel be reclassified as town, 00:24:26.594 --> 00:24:35.099 - That would allow a lot higher density than one per 10 acres. So I think that's, I guess, the bigger 00:24:35.099 --> 00:24:43.773 - question that I was trying to get at, which is if the rural district has larger lot sizes, similar to 00:24:43.773 --> 00:24:53.043 - what Monroe County has now, and I as a landowner with that 100 acres, even though I'm maybe in the southwest 00:24:53.043 --> 00:24:56.190 - part of Richland Township right now, 00:24:56.514 --> 00:25:06.208 - Can I ask to be reclassified as town and then build a hundred houses, even though I'm not contiguous 00:25:06.208 --> 00:25:15.807 - to what most people think of as the center of the urban zone of Alexville? I think the intention is 00:25:15.807 --> 00:25:20.606 - yes, you would be able to. Yes, you'd be able to. 00:25:21.538 --> 00:25:30.480 - asked to be changed to the county. The landowner could always ask for a rezone. You could always petition. 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:38.838 - Otherwise, we're not much different than what's currently with the county. Yes, I know there's some 00:25:38.838 --> 00:25:47.195 - people, and those are legitimate concerns that you brought up, but there's also some people wanting 00:25:47.195 --> 00:25:50.622 - more industry, wanting more development. 00:25:51.202 --> 00:25:59.892 - And I mean, I do have a hard time telling somebody, you can't sell this property, you have to keep it 00:25:59.892 --> 00:26:08.411 - as this, and it just may sit there and be a blighted property if they're not farming it. I mean, so 00:26:08.411 --> 00:26:16.931 - I understand, I just don't know an easy solution to it. I think he's asking a 10,000 foot question, 00:26:16.931 --> 00:26:19.742 - valid, we're getting into weeds. 00:26:20.386 --> 00:26:27.719 - I like his idea of asking a blanket question about some of these things. As I see it, this is kind of 00:26:27.719 --> 00:26:34.907 - standard verbiage. The rest of the report, I think, is fabulous, but this is what anybody would do. 00:26:34.907 --> 00:26:42.384 - And we can't always dictate what future councils and planning commissions are going to be. His question 00:26:42.384 --> 00:26:48.638 - was, January 1, if this goes through, what's this going to look like? So I think that, 00:26:48.898 --> 00:26:55.317 - The explanation that Denise gave, I think, satisfies my question about what he asked for the most part. 00:26:55.317 --> 00:27:01.489 - I don't live in the town, John lives in the town, lifelong resident of the town. I don't understand 00:27:01.489 --> 00:27:07.908 - some of the issues that somebody lives outside of town. So I'm trying my best to sympathize. I've never 00:27:07.908 --> 00:27:14.450 - really done that before. So with living outside, I've sympathized before. You're married. You're married, 00:27:14.450 --> 00:27:17.598 - you sympathize. There's natural inhibitors to what 00:27:18.082 --> 00:27:25.984 - his scenario and how it could or couldn't play out, that doesn't allow for that to happen overnight 00:27:25.984 --> 00:27:34.203 - or even maybe even be considered, whether it's roads, sewer, even water for fire protection. And that's 00:27:34.203 --> 00:27:42.263 - kind of why the town and the townships laid out the way it is. Now, you brought up where the Kihi and 00:27:42.263 --> 00:27:44.318 - the Umberter property is. 00:27:44.642 --> 00:27:52.754 - That was planned 40 years ago. So it actually naturally happened because people have been planning on 00:27:52.754 --> 00:28:00.786 - it for decades. And the master plan for water, for instance, for the town has a large diamond remain 00:28:00.786 --> 00:28:08.897 - that goes 46 darts and comes back into town. And so that area was always planned to have that happen. 00:28:08.897 --> 00:28:12.158 - So, I mean, there is some natural things 00:28:13.538 --> 00:28:21.436 - has transpired and kind of shows you how we're laid out. So your concerns, I get it. And I think I'd 00:28:21.436 --> 00:28:29.491 - rather be a neighbor to 10 houses on 100 acres than 100 houses on 10 acres. So whatever, you know. But 00:28:29.491 --> 00:28:37.389 - I think there's some natural inhibitors for concerns. I'm not saying it can't happen, but. OK, we're 00:28:37.389 --> 00:28:42.238 - going to pause and hear a couple of comments from the public. 00:28:43.074 --> 00:28:51.624 - I'm a township resident and I read the plan, the subcommittee's plan and for my limited knowledge, I 00:28:51.624 --> 00:29:00.344 - understood it and I thought it was well done and answered my questions. My concern as I'm hearing here 00:29:00.344 --> 00:29:09.148 - is again, as a township resident, I have no security that Monroe County is not going to change and redo 00:29:09.148 --> 00:29:11.518 - things within the township. 00:29:11.650 --> 00:29:20.549 - So I'm understanding, I don't understand why we feel like we need to feel, offer that security here. 00:29:20.549 --> 00:29:29.449 - What would life be like if we don't reorganize? And what would life be like if we do? In both cases, 00:29:29.449 --> 00:29:38.437 - changes can be made by the governing entity. And I'd rather have my security with reorganization than 00:29:38.437 --> 00:29:39.582 - as I am now. 00:29:40.162 --> 00:29:52.512 - Because as I sit on the fringe area of much of Monroe County's planning, my land can change in a heartbeat. 00:29:52.512 --> 00:29:57.086 - And I have no way to voice that easily. 00:30:03.042 --> 00:30:11.300 - Hi, my name's Anne and I am a Township President. I think that reorganization gives us a really unique 00:30:11.300 --> 00:30:19.397 - opportunity to look at and really plan and have good representation around where growth might happen 00:30:19.397 --> 00:30:27.574 - for Ellitsville. Scott, I definitely understand and hear a lot of your concerns and the concerns that 00:30:27.574 --> 00:30:31.102 - your neighbors have. A question for you is, 00:30:31.234 --> 00:30:38.622 - Do you believe that there should be growth and development happening in Ellitsville and in Richland 00:30:38.622 --> 00:30:46.009 - Township? And if so, where? I'm happy to have this conversation, but I'm not sure that it's germane 00:30:46.009 --> 00:30:53.544 - necessarily to the meeting. I understand. From the comments you are making and the questions that you 00:30:53.544 --> 00:30:58.494 - are having, it sounds like there's a lot of concern around keeping 00:30:58.626 --> 00:31:05.216 - things exactly the way that they are right now. I understand that for a lot of individual residents. 00:31:05.216 --> 00:31:11.872 - I also understand as a resident of the township that there are likely things that are going to change 00:31:11.872 --> 00:31:18.528 - in the future and so that's why I'm asking that question as I feel like it's relevant to this is I do 00:31:18.528 --> 00:31:25.118 - believe that under reorganization change is coming and so I'm kind of curious what your thoughts are 00:31:25.118 --> 00:31:28.446 - on that. Yeah, I mean I can only speak for myself. 00:31:28.738 --> 00:31:35.837 - in favor of smart economic growth. I look at what Ellisville's planning has been. Obviously there's 00:31:35.837 --> 00:31:43.078 - been a lot of thought put into that. I think when people make a decision about where they're going to 00:31:43.078 --> 00:31:50.390 - locate as far as residents and everything goes, obviously they have the ability and might even say the 00:31:50.390 --> 00:31:53.726 - duty to investigate the constraints that exist 00:31:54.274 --> 00:32:01.378 - around them and are going to govern their use of their property and their neighbors because they have 00:32:01.378 --> 00:32:08.483 - a certain amount of expectation that things will generally stay the same, change over time gradually, 00:32:08.483 --> 00:32:15.587 - but generally they go in with an understanding of what's going to be possible. And so I think in this 00:32:15.587 --> 00:32:22.622 - particular instance, we're just looking at the possibility of what could be a large amount of change 00:32:23.426 --> 00:32:30.683 - in a short amount of time for township residents just in terms of what their immediate neighborhood 00:32:30.683 --> 00:32:38.085 - might look like. I think that's something that we need to take into consideration and address. And we 00:32:38.085 --> 00:32:45.922 - have to recognize that some people actually move to the county because they wanted the county's restrictive 00:32:45.922 --> 00:32:51.582 - zoning. And I'm just asking these questions so that we can be aware of how we 00:32:51.778 --> 00:32:59.221 - address those questions when people bring them to us. Yeah, I think it's, you know, I was on the planning 00:32:59.221 --> 00:33:06.384 - and zoning subcommittee. We spent a lot of time with Denise discussing updates to the UDO and updates 00:33:06.384 --> 00:33:13.546 - happening between now and day one, like we have all already mentioned. And I think that there's a big 00:33:13.546 --> 00:33:20.638 - opportunity there for residents within the township to come to the table and have their voice heard. 00:33:21.026 --> 00:33:27.107 - during that process, which is obviously going to happen between now and whenever that gets voted in, 00:33:27.107 --> 00:33:33.189 - if it does get voted in. So I think that there's a big opportunity there for more people to come and 00:33:33.189 --> 00:33:38.849 - voice their concerns about what that looks like. And I think that there's also a great chance 00:33:38.849 --> 00:33:40.414 - for representation as the 00:33:40.514 --> 00:33:48.074 - As a township resident right now, I don't feel like I have a whole lot of say in exactly what goes on. 00:33:48.074 --> 00:33:55.560 - If the area becomes smaller with reorganization, I do feel like I would have a greater say in how all 00:33:55.560 --> 00:34:03.634 - of that pans out. So thank you. Darlene, I have a question. Until a UDO is approved under the new reorganized 00:34:03.634 --> 00:34:07.230 - entity, we wouldn't be able to just rezone these 00:34:07.842 --> 00:34:14.828 - Correct. Okay. And so the suggestion from Mr. Dade is that assuming we have a semblance of a comp plan 00:34:14.828 --> 00:34:21.746 - and a UDO ready for shortly after the first of the year, I mean January, February, his suggestion was 00:34:21.746 --> 00:34:28.868 - that the newly reorganized town council pass a moratorium on permits, variance applications and so forth 00:34:28.868 --> 00:34:34.430 - so that you're not trying to do a dual zoning, you know, looking at Monroe County 00:34:35.330 --> 00:34:42.558 - If someone were to come in from the formerly unincorporated area of the township and file an application, 00:34:42.558 --> 00:34:49.853 - they would still be going under Monroe County Planning and Zoning. So his suggestion was pass a moratorium 00:34:49.853 --> 00:34:56.876 - long enough to get that UDO and that comp plan passed. That moratorium would be in effect from January 00:34:56.876 --> 00:35:01.854 - 1? Correct. Or until extended or lifted by the Newtown Council. Correct. 00:35:02.242 --> 00:35:11.158 - It is. So what I said was that Sean Dade, the gentleman who helped us with the UDO last time, had suggested 00:35:11.158 --> 00:35:19.661 - that after the first of the year the Newtown Council pass a moratorium on the extension of application 00:35:19.661 --> 00:35:27.916 - or sorry, the extension of permits or variances or things of that nature until the UDO and the comp 00:35:27.916 --> 00:35:30.558 - plan is passed. You're welcome. 00:35:32.450 --> 00:35:38.607 - So, Scott, does that alleviate some of the concerns that that's done? So the neighbors aren't waking 00:35:38.607 --> 00:35:45.192 - up. I mean, I know that I'm using hyperbole here January 1, and all of a sudden they're all around rezoned. 00:35:45.192 --> 00:35:51.715 - Well, I think that helps to answer the question of what happens on January 1 and the timeframe afterwards. 00:35:51.715 --> 00:35:58.238 - I'm not sure that it addresses some of the other concerns that I mentioned. But the UDL can. Right, right. 00:35:58.466 --> 00:36:04.707 - I mean, that is something, you know, maybe that is worth clarifying too, that a lot of what's in the 00:36:04.707 --> 00:36:11.196 - subcommittee report will be subsumed within an updated UDO, correct? I mean, all of the reclassification 00:36:11.196 --> 00:36:17.376 - criteria and such are going to be something that's reflected in, you know, this document. It's not, 00:36:17.376 --> 00:36:23.741 - you know, we're not going to be depending upon the subcommittee report for the, you know, for the next 00:36:23.741 --> 00:36:28.190 - 20 years. So when you say a moratorium, you're talking a moratorium for 00:36:28.354 --> 00:36:34.500 - the whole township? Because how would you do that when there's no governing body? No, you have a governing 00:36:34.500 --> 00:36:40.302 - body. You're talking January 1st. January 1st, yeah. Well, the UDO should be finished before January 00:36:40.302 --> 00:36:46.104 - 1st, isn't it? Well, hopefully there will be a very good draft done, but you can't pass it until the 00:36:46.104 --> 00:36:51.848 - new government gets on board, for lack of a better word. And you want to see if the reorder passes. 00:36:51.848 --> 00:36:57.822 - So if it passes and you have your new newly reorganized town council, they will then have the authority 00:36:58.082 --> 00:37:04.865 - to look at approve whole public hearings on the comp plan and the UDO. Okay. So there will be some window 00:37:04.865 --> 00:37:11.456 - of time unavoidably after January 1 where there are public hearings and discussion. Correct. No matter 00:37:11.456 --> 00:37:18.047 - what state the UDO draft is in as of December 31, there will still be a process after the first of the 00:37:18.047 --> 00:37:24.446 - year to put it in place. Correct. Okay. Scott, the kind of edge case question of what do we do with 00:37:24.446 --> 00:37:25.470 - a property that 00:37:25.922 --> 00:37:31.872 - doesn't have municipal utilities, doesn't have water and wastewater service, isn't contiguous to any 00:37:31.872 --> 00:37:38.176 - part of this existing town. It's interesting because as I look at the map. Notice that, I mean, contiguity 00:37:38.176 --> 00:37:44.361 - is not, is not mentioned in here, right? But people, I think, generally would understand that a property 00:37:44.361 --> 00:37:50.547 - that is similar in character and contiguous to the town is more reasonably understood to be in the range 00:37:50.547 --> 00:37:54.494 - of rezoning than a property that is divorced from public services, 00:37:54.626 --> 00:38:02.010 - isolated, non-contiguous. If we do this reorganization, we no longer have only one contiguous developed 00:38:02.010 --> 00:38:09.819 - zone. There are properties along the southeast corner of this new township, this place that are significantly 00:38:09.819 --> 00:38:17.629 - industrialized and developed. And so we would have several kind of epicenters of more commercial, industrial, 00:38:17.629 --> 00:38:19.262 - light industrial area. 00:38:19.714 --> 00:38:28.850 - I mean, yeah, I understand what you're saying, but I do think, frankly, I think that, you know, obviously, 00:38:28.850 --> 00:38:37.645 - you're gonna be starting with pockets of town in different areas, but that town, but further additions 00:38:37.645 --> 00:38:46.354 - or, what's the word we're using, transition, no, sorry, reclassification from rural to town should be 00:38:46.354 --> 00:38:48.062 - contiguous to town. 00:38:48.898 --> 00:38:57.268 - I mean, I think that there's a good policy argument in favor of the current annexation requirements, 00:38:57.268 --> 00:39:06.053 - for example, because the patchwork quilt version of having more intense uses in the middle of non-intense 00:39:06.053 --> 00:39:14.340 - uses and going back and forth just doesn't make as much sense as having contiguous density. Because 00:39:14.340 --> 00:39:17.406 - that encourages growth that's smart. 00:39:18.050 --> 00:39:26.291 - as opposed to growth that happens in strange pockets just because of one landowner's desire. And I am 00:39:26.291 --> 00:39:34.856 - very much in favor of people having generally the right to do what they want. But there are things called 00:39:34.856 --> 00:39:43.178 - externalities where what I do does have an impact on my neighbors. And so I think that it's completely 00:39:43.178 --> 00:39:46.814 - appropriate to take that into consideration. 00:39:47.010 --> 00:39:55.768 - not only what the landowner wants. Is there any language that you think needs to be added, deleted, 00:39:55.768 --> 00:40:04.876 - revised to address some of the concerns? I mean, I could suggest some, but I don't know that it's going 00:40:04.876 --> 00:40:13.896 - to carry the day here. So it might be something that's. I'd like to hear it. Me too. Absolutely. Well, 00:40:13.896 --> 00:40:15.998 - I think the contiguity. 00:40:16.162 --> 00:40:23.078 - is a big one. It shouldn't be with town, but we've already established that the majority of our group. 00:40:23.078 --> 00:40:29.793 - There used to be, now this is, Mike might be able to help me, but there used to be something called 00:40:29.793 --> 00:40:36.709 - shoestring annexation, where as long as you had a major corridor connecting proper with something that 00:40:36.709 --> 00:40:43.491 - wanted to happen over here, exactly what you're talking about. And that got shot down, I don't know, 00:40:43.491 --> 00:40:45.438 - and a good example of it is, 00:40:45.794 --> 00:40:52.030 - Deer Run, whatever they call it. They call that Deer Run, don't they? Deer Park. That was shoestring 00:40:52.030 --> 00:40:58.205 - annexation. That was some folks that said, we want to develop this. County told them no. They said, 00:40:58.205 --> 00:41:04.626 - well, we'll annex to Ellisville. They didn't have anything contiguous, so they said, as long as it's... 00:41:04.626 --> 00:41:10.430 - And they somehow got that done with what's called shoestring annexation. That's outlawed now. 00:41:10.786 --> 00:41:19.284 - That's not even a possibility. So I see what you're saying, and it is a valid concern, but, you know, 00:41:19.284 --> 00:41:27.616 - as Andrew said, if you want to, obviously, the county missed a phenomenal opportunity. A chipmaker, 00:41:27.616 --> 00:41:36.281 - okay, working for Crane, wasn't it, wanted to build at the airport. Okay, the county was making it more 00:41:36.281 --> 00:41:40.030 - and more difficult with each passing moment. 00:41:40.738 --> 00:41:47.664 - And they finally said, hey, we've got several places that want us. And it was a chip maker, going to 00:41:47.664 --> 00:41:54.727 - employ a bunch of people for Crane. Southern Indiana cannot afford to have Crane move. You'd shut down 00:41:54.727 --> 00:42:01.653 - two or three counties. 70% or 75% of their citizenry is employed by them. If that opportunity reared 00:42:01.653 --> 00:42:08.579 - its ugly head in, no, I know what your concerns are, but if it's something like that, something that 00:42:08.579 --> 00:42:10.430 - made a whole lot of sense, 00:42:10.594 --> 00:42:17.013 - a holster manufacturer, and they wanted to build in the township. Why are you in Owen County? Because 00:42:17.013 --> 00:42:23.558 - you had the opportunity to buy up and revitalize an existing machine shop that was closing, rather than 00:42:23.558 --> 00:42:29.851 - build a new facility and go through all the zoning and planning hassles that would have happened in 00:42:29.851 --> 00:42:36.396 - Monroe County. There you go. So does that make sense? But a very practical limitation. We're not a very 00:42:36.396 --> 00:42:37.214 - big company. 00:42:37.698 --> 00:42:43.610 - But we couldn't look realistically at any location that didn't already have three-phase power run with 00:42:43.610 --> 00:42:49.349 - significant amperage available for our equipment. And so even if there were some beautiful isolated 00:42:49.349 --> 00:42:55.261 - pocket of property out in the township, if it didn't have access to the utilities we need, it wouldn't 00:42:55.261 --> 00:43:01.402 - matter how it was zoned. We literally couldn't operate there. Sure, tons of industry can't operate without 00:43:01.402 --> 00:43:02.206 - fiber optics. 00:43:02.338 --> 00:43:09.819 - Okay, so that shoots down 90% of what would happen in the township if a factory came in and wanted to 00:43:09.819 --> 00:43:17.301 - build and could afford everything and the fiber optic was the issue. It's not gonna happen overnight. 00:43:17.301 --> 00:43:24.855 - I'm not sure that's true. That it could happen overnight? Fiber optics? Oh, yeah. Well, I can name you 00:43:24.855 --> 00:43:32.190 - tons of places. I'm pretty sure we're wired here. No, you're not. And I'm pretty sure we are. Okay. 00:43:32.290 --> 00:43:39.284 - I'm Diane Crishlow and I also served on this planning and zoning subcommittee. And a couple of things 00:43:39.284 --> 00:43:46.210 - I want to share with you. I'm a Mary Kay sales director, which has nothing to do with this. However, 00:43:46.210 --> 00:43:53.068 - my father was a custom home builder. My oldest son owns a construction company. My middle son works 00:43:53.068 --> 00:44:00.405 - for that construction company and my youngest one sells floor covering. So I come from deep family history 00:44:00.405 --> 00:44:01.502 - of the value of 00:44:02.178 --> 00:44:09.326 - homes. While we're considering the people who live in the rural districts who purchase that property, 00:44:09.326 --> 00:44:16.475 - hoping that it would stay the same forever, we have to consider the people that own property in those 00:44:16.475 --> 00:44:23.623 - rural areas that want the opportunity to pass it on to their families with the opportunity to develop 00:44:23.623 --> 00:44:29.790 - it. If you don't give them that privilege, you are ruining a family's financial future. 00:44:30.722 --> 00:44:39.707 - which is what the county has done. Now, those zoning requirements do not allow you to build currently 00:44:39.707 --> 00:44:48.955 - 100 houses in the middle of no place on 10 acres because you've got your sewer requirements there, okay? 00:44:48.955 --> 00:44:58.028 - And no, the county health department is not going to approve sewer for 100 houses on 10 acres. I think 00:44:58.028 --> 00:45:00.318 - you also have to consider 00:45:00.546 --> 00:45:09.203 - what this community overall has done in the past three to five years when it came to planning and zoning. 00:45:09.203 --> 00:45:17.534 - One, they put together a broad group of people, a very diverse group of people, to discuss what do we 00:45:17.534 --> 00:45:26.110 - want. Many of you were a part of that, okay? And they worked closely with a professional consulting firm 00:45:26.594 --> 00:45:33.456 - to put together a good plan. This microphone and I don't have, we're not good friends. And I have a 00:45:33.456 --> 00:45:40.386 - lot of faith in the basis, yes, the nature of people are going to change. They should. I live in the 00:45:40.386 --> 00:45:47.522 - township, okay? I want to have some say with what happens. But I do think we have to look at their past 00:45:47.522 --> 00:45:54.590 - record as to what they've done in the past five years and it was good and it was solid. If you require 00:45:54.882 --> 00:46:02.616 - growth only in contiguous property, there is no reason for the majority of your township residents to 00:46:02.616 --> 00:46:10.351 - come into this, really. If you're required to be contiguous, why do it, other than the fact the state 00:46:10.351 --> 00:46:18.388 - wants townships eliminated, and that's a factor that we're not talking about a whole lot here. But that's 00:46:18.388 --> 00:46:24.606 - my opinion, is please give consideration to all of the residents in the township. 00:46:25.730 --> 00:46:33.713 - We've got a really good discussion. Unless there's a recommendation for how we might adjust this part 00:46:33.713 --> 00:46:41.618 - of the plan, I suggest we move on to another topic. That's the last topic. Well, within the planning 00:46:41.618 --> 00:46:49.054 - and zoning. Is that the only thing we have to talk about with planning and zoning? I think so. 00:46:55.554 --> 00:47:06.298 - Scott, I'd still like to hear your language. I don't know what you would like to see in there. I really 00:47:06.298 --> 00:47:16.733 - would like to hear that. Well, I think, like I said, at this point, I would like to see a contiguity 00:47:16.733 --> 00:47:24.894 - aspect, or I would like to limit the freedom to reclassify from rural to town. 00:47:25.570 --> 00:47:33.772 - But at the end of the day, I really don't think that it's going to carry the day in our conversation. 00:47:33.772 --> 00:47:42.296 - And that's OK. I think it's probably issues that are better dealt with in the process of thinking through 00:47:42.296 --> 00:47:50.578 - the actual regulations and legal language that we would find in the UDO and the related documents than 00:47:50.578 --> 00:47:52.830 - to try to hash it out here. 00:47:53.026 --> 00:47:59.531 - I'm very sympathetic to the externalities requesting an argument. I would be much more cautious about 00:47:59.531 --> 00:48:05.908 - moving forward on this if we were putting the new rules in place right now tonight by our vote. But 00:48:05.908 --> 00:48:12.476 - what we're actually doing is agreeing to put it before the public for a general vote. And every single 00:48:12.476 --> 00:48:18.853 - voter in the township has a voice on that. And to the degree that Diane believes that a majority of 00:48:18.853 --> 00:48:20.766 - township residents would have 00:48:20.898 --> 00:48:29.657 - less or no reason to come in for a benefit of planning and zoning, if we required contiguous placement, 00:48:29.657 --> 00:48:38.163 - they will have the opportunity to tell us if we give them the opportunity to vote on it. And even if 00:48:38.163 --> 00:48:46.837 - they vote yes, that will still give them an opportunity and people feel this way to make those changes 00:48:46.837 --> 00:48:50.206 - in a UDO. So I mean, that just got this 00:48:51.586 --> 00:48:59.294 - this committee won't rule that out, we can't. That's gonna depend on it. And then there's always public 00:48:59.294 --> 00:49:06.854 - hearings. Right. And there's remonstrance, I mean there's a ton of safeguards put into place for that 00:49:06.854 --> 00:49:14.488 - kind of thing to happen, but in the end, being honest, I'm a proponent of, you've got land, somebody's 00:49:14.488 --> 00:49:19.454 - gotta come up with a good reason why I can't do something with it. 00:49:21.890 --> 00:49:33.104 - Anyways. I would entertain a motion at this point. I make a motion that we accept the subcommittee's 00:49:33.104 --> 00:49:44.317 - recommendations. Move forward on it. For planning and zoning. For planning and zoning. I second that 00:49:44.317 --> 00:49:47.870 - motion. Any further discussion? 00:49:52.994 --> 00:50:00.264 - Hearing no for the discussion, I'll call the vote to approve the planning and zoning subcommittee report 00:50:00.264 --> 00:50:07.327 - as submitted. I vote yes. Kevin? Yes. Jerry? Yes. Mike? Yes. Scott? I appreciate the work that's been 00:50:07.327 --> 00:50:14.528 - done, so I'm not going to vote against it, but I'll abstain from voting. Okay. Dawn? Yes. William? Yes. 00:50:14.528 --> 00:50:16.190 - Thank you. Vote passes. 00:50:21.218 --> 00:50:27.717 - Do we have anybody from the public that would like to come up and speak at this time? I very much appreciate 00:50:27.717 --> 00:50:33.739 - the planning and zoning subcommittee members making sure to be here. Thank you for your work. It's a 00:50:33.739 --> 00:50:39.821 - complicated issue, and the report was very helpful. You're welcome. And Denise wants out of here. Are 00:50:39.821 --> 00:50:45.843 - we going to have a meeting? We are going to have a meeting next Wednesday? Are we from tonight? Yes. 00:50:45.843 --> 00:50:50.494 - Yes, thank you for humoring me. I think though next Wednesday, unless there's 00:50:51.074 --> 00:50:58.263 - something from what I understand, it's just putting all of our discussions that we've done into one 00:50:58.263 --> 00:51:05.525 - report. So this really, for the most part, is a wrap on the organization committee and our work. And 00:51:05.525 --> 00:51:12.786 - I want to say I really enjoyed working with all of you. I think someone had said it, so I'm stealing 00:51:12.786 --> 00:51:20.766 - it. I can't remember who to give credit for. If this could be our new council, I'd love it. Because, you know, 00:51:21.506 --> 00:51:32.282 - I think that was Mike. Well, I would also compliment the people on this committee because there are 00:51:32.282 --> 00:51:43.705 - many of you who really carry the heavy load and I particularly relied on your hard work and your research 00:51:43.705 --> 00:51:50.494 - and your insights in making my decisions and I just appreciate 00:51:50.722 --> 00:52:00.467 - each and every one of you. Likewise. All right, any other thoughts? All right, we'll see you next Wednesday 00:52:00.467 --> 00:52:04.798 - night, six o'clock. This meeting has concluded.