- Call the order of the Monday, December 8th, 2025 meeting of the Oldsville Town Council. Chief, did you
- declare it? I'm sorry, the prayer. Just one more time, we'll have the Father come before you this evening
- and thank you again for all the many blessings you've bestowed on this little town. Just ask you to
- keep us under your arm and lead us through this winter that we will come out in spring and feel really
- good. We ask these things in Jesus' name, amen. Thank you, Chief. I pledge allegiance to the flag
- of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible,
- with liberty and justice for all. Whenever you're ready, roll call, please. Here. Here. William Ellis.
- Here. Trevor Sager. Here. Pamela Samples. Here.
- Action approved minutes from November 24th, 2025 meeting. So moved. Motion second, all those in favor
- say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any abstaining? Next on the agenda is acts to pay accounts payable vouchers
- and the payroll vouchers. Second. Motion second, all those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Abstaining.
- There are three resolutions this evening. First resolution is 41-2025.
- to approve a purchase agreement between McQueen Equipment LLC in the town of Eltsville for one Pierce
- enforcer PUC pumper truck for the Eltsville Fire Department. At the last town council meeting, the council
- authorized the fire chief to place an order for a fire truck so the town could get in line, so to speak.
- And so this
- particular resolution authorizes the fire chief to sign the actual purchase agreement for that fire
- truck, which the council did not have in front of it at the last meeting. Okay. Questions from council.
- You refresh our memory on the cost. It's just under 1.3. It is $1,297,300. Questions, comments from council.
- For the chief. Comment. Public. Back to council for action. Resolution 41-25 to approve a purchase agreement
- between McQueen Equipment LLC and the town of Ellsville for one Pierce Enforcer PUC pumper truck for
- the Ellsville Fire Department. Second. Motion second. Roll call please. Scott Oldham.
- Stan Swafford? Yes. William Ellis? Yes. Trevor Sager? Yes. Pamela Samples? Yes. Motion passes. Next
- resolution this evening is 42-2025 to approve the financing for said Pierce Enforcer PUC pickup truck.
- I'm sorry, fire truck. So this resolution incorporates largely a lot of language that PNC Bank wants
- to have in the resolution. They are going to assist the town with the financing.
- and this particular resolution authorizes either the town manager or the fire chief to sign any lease
- agreements and or to sign any paperwork necessary to get the loan. Okay, questions, comments from council?
- Chief, town manager? Just to remind you, Texas,
- paid for through the contract with Richland Township. But for clarity, the truck is owned by the town,
- correct? That is correct. Anyone from the public? And back to council. I make a motion to approve revolution
- 42-2025 to approve the financing for that purist enforcer, P.C. Ampercrack. I'll second.
- Motion second, roll call when you're ready. Scott Oldham? Yes. Dan Swafford? Yes. William Ellis? Yes.
- Trevor Sager? Yes. Pamela Samples? Yes. Motion carries. Next resolution this evening is 43-2025 to approve
- a transfer of funds in general for redevelopment commission pay.
- technical difficulties that I'll take care of that in one second. Apologies for the technical difficulties
- we're having. This transfer of funds is going to be out of the general fund for the Redevelopment Commission
- to pay the Commission Board for
- If you remember earlier this year when we did the additional appropriation to appropriate funds for
- the Redevelopment Commission to use, it was put into other services and charges and the office supplies.
- This will be taking $1,200 from the office supplies, which you can see in column two, the year to date
- that we have left, which is $4,865.20. And in the fourth column that's orange, I'd be requesting $1,200
- for the recommission pay and then the leftover balance for the fund would be $6,192.82. Okay. Questions,
- comments from council? Mike, you good? I'm good. Okay. Motions from council since this is internal.
- make a motion to approve resolution forty three dash twenty twenty five to approve transfer funds in
- general for the redevelopment commission pay second. Motion the second when you're ready. Scott Holden
- yes Dan Swapper yes William Ellis yes Trevor Sager yes Pamela samples yes motion carries. There are
- no ordinances on first reading this evening there's an ordinance on second reading which is ordinance
- twenty twenty five dash twenty six the salary ordinance for the budget year twenty
- So since this is on second reading, nothing has changed. I can answer any questions if the council still
- had them. There was not any questions from the last time or any changes, so. Questions from council
- or comments? Just a question. Don't we used to do that earlier? I mean, it has to be done before the
- end of the year and I, okay, I like to think we used to do it earlier.
- In a normal year, it may have been done in November, but we've had a lot of things going on in the office.
- If it's the council's pleasure to have it done earlier, I can most certainly do that going forward.
- Oh no, no, I just was asking. I was just kind of confused because I thought we did approve it earlier,
- but no, it's fine. No, sir. Anything from staff?
- Well, I just remind the public that this year there was no raises for our workforce. It's sad to say.
- Preparing for what might happen to our revenues going into 2028, we're preparing now for that. And I
- just remind everybody that we were not able to give any raises to our workforce. And they did deserve
- it. Absolutely.
- Anyone else? Anyone from the public with a comment? No one rises in chambers, no one online back to
- the council. I'll move to approve ordinance 2025-26 salary ordinance for budget year 2026. Motion second
- when you're ready. Scott Oldham? Yes. Dan Swafford? Yes. William Ellis? Yes. Trevor Sager? Yes. Pamela
- Samples? Yes. Motion passes.
- Under Old Business this evening, a selection of individuals to serve as the town's representatives on
- the Richland Township slash Town of Ellsville Reorganization Committee. I can start by saying the Township
- Board has picked their three choices for the Reorganization Committee. That was last Friday, and so
- we are hoping to have three picks chosen tonight.
- We had a few people either contact the clerk's office or email in their desire to serve on the reorganization
- committee. I think maybe one or two might be in the audience. And so we had some interest. We didn't
- have as many people apply as I thought through the emails and that.
- between staff conversations that I had with board members who committed some of the people they thought
- should be on it. We did have quite a list and a lot of our list was township people as well as townspeople.
- But so I do think we need to get on with having the committee, you know,
- formal group so we can move on with our business. I think after we pick, if we do pick tonight, we'll
- have six people and then I think the order of business then would be the reorganization committee would
- pick the seventh person. So there'll be one more person chosen and we'll have
- The good news is we can't pick everybody, but we're going to have a lot of good names still for all
- the subcommittees, so that's encouraging. Yeah, and just so that we all understand and make sure that
- I'm understanding here, and the public understands, this reorganization committee will then form out
- various subgroups for various expertise moving forward, such as parks, public safety, sewer water, things
- like that.
- planning and zoning, police fire. Yeah, planning everything. Yeah, there'll be at least six or seven
- committees and they really will truly be the bulk of the work that will be in those individual committees
- because there'll be specific planning done. I don't know how the reorganization committee will interact
- with the subcommittees, but once we do have a reorganization committee,
- they will take the lead on all this. And so I'm trying not to get ahead of saying what they'll do. Sure.
- And then at some point, they come back to both us and the Township Board for approval or how does that
- work? Yeah. I mean, you know, from then on, the planning begins on the construction of a plan and the
- costs associated with that will be up to these committees.
- And obviously there'll be some updates for the general public as we move forward. We'll have a lot of
- public meetings and private sessions where people can come in and we'll make ourselves accessible. There'll
- be information via social media when we think there's maybe a threshold where we can share information. And then,
- sometime in June, we have to have the completed plan so both boards can vote on that. And I don't know
- if that vote comes before, I assume that vote comes before we send this off to the DLGF, assuming we
- get to that point. And then the DLGF signs off on it. And at that time,
- then it would go on a referendum for November, but there's a lot of time between now and June, and so
- there'll be a lot of meetings, and the reorganization committee will take the lead once this is established.
- For the department heads and myself, and maybe even other board members, we'll facilitate information,
- and there'll be times when we'll have working sessions,
- ideas and debates will go on to make this move forward, but I think that's it. That's how it's gonna
- work. Six months sounds like a long time, but it's really not when you're trying to essentially plan
- a future for a combined town. It's not, and so anybody that gets on the committees should plan on going
- to a lot of meetings and
- and hopefully they'll be time consuming so we can be thorough about how we plan to attempt to reorganize.
- All this, everything we do will lead up to a point where the two township board and the town board will
- vote on it. So nothing is in stone until it becomes voted on, the DLGF signs off on it, so. But even
- then it's not in stone until the voters actually
- issue their referendums. Yeah, the democratic process of voting will decide whether this is a go or
- not. I have a question for Darla. Sure, absolutely. Darla, maybe somebody had asked me, and I didn't
- have the answer to this, does the DOGF do a fiscal impact report on this, do you know? Because I thought
- it was just going to them for approval that we follow the steps in ballot language.
- Well, I think your financial advisor does the fiscal impact, but the DLGF checks their work and makes
- sure that it's going to work. So one is done? Yes. Got you. Other questions? Yes. How many did you say
- we got? How many applications? Well, through the clerk's office or through our email, I don't know that
- it was more than a half a dozen.
- And I have 22 names on a list that I just can't track up. Some of them were through conversations I
- had out on the street, and we were trying to make sure we had at least a decent-sized list to choose
- from. And we shared some of our names that were township people with the township. And I believe that
- they actually picked one of those people that we
- I mentioned, we had them go to the township. So I don't know how, I think they had the same process
- where you could mail in or call in and put their name. And I think that's how they decided on theirs.
- So do we get to see them, the council? Do we get to see the applications? Yeah. Yeah, I mean. The names,
- yeah. Yeah, I can show them to you at some time whenever you wanna see them, so. I mean, before we vote,
- I mean, can we look at them?
- Don't we choose them, the council? Don't we look at them and choose them? I think in the long run, knowing
- there was that many names, we had an email exchange amongst all of us where I suggested we have Mike
- vet some of these folks first, as opposed to setting up- Yeah, and I did get that, but I also got one,
- I think Darla sent it for us to vote to give Mike the authority to do it. So I'm assuming that- No,
- I thought that was to give Mike the authority to appoint them. Yeah, I'm not-
- He's just bringing forward names based on the criteria. I'm not appointing anybody and I've not chosen
- anybody. I just kept a list as I heard anybody mention names, including when I talked to the township
- board as well. So, you know, nope, I had. I appreciate your deconflict. I had board members offer me
- names too. So there was no, I don't know what you're wanting, but.
- Tonight, up till tonight, I've not had anybody request a formal list. I guess I'm essentially, because
- I thought the council was going to pick them. Well, you are. Unless we're going to get to see them and
- go through them. You're going to vote on them. I assume there's going to be some nominations this time.
- Because you have that in your list, right? I have that in my list, and I assume some of the names I've
- heard are on my list. Perfect. OK.
- I think I'm a little confused too. If we're voting on people that I don't know or don't know why they've
- been put in here, or I think that's what Pam's trying to establish that, you know, we're the ones gotta
- make the decision. So we need to be kept in the loop of who's on this list, how many people applied,
- why we're picking these people and things like that.
- Yeah, well, this is 11th hour and I would have thought somebody to call me. I think we did. I mean,
- I'm pretty sure I mentioned it before. I know that I have been talking to Mike regularly and Noel asking
- who's applied over the last month and going through there. Has anybody else? As of today, I didn't have
- anybody else. I mean, I, I, I, I. OK, yeah, my Scott's Scott, I guess, too.
- Pardon? I said, yeah. And Trevor asked me too, but I never heard from you. I said the thing is that
- I'd like to see him. I'd like to be involved in it. When was that? In the midst of all of our emails
- that even Scott's talking about. In the midst that I said I would like to be involved in it. Do you
- have a list that you can share with Councilor McCurley? Oh, I could. You want me to read them off? No.
- No. I want you to write them down. We can come back to this. I'll tell you what. Why don't we let him
- write that list out, and then we can share it with everybody.
- and then we'll come back to this at the end of the meeting. For the sake of time. You got work? I think
- that's almost the last thing on that. Well, I don't know, because I don't know what's going to come
- up under your staff business. That's true. You all right with that? So what are we doing now? We're
- going to put this on hold for a minute, do the rest of the meeting, and then circle back to this as
- our last item. And vote. Is he giving us the names that he's nominating, or? I'm not nominating anybody.
- The list I have is from conversations I've heard from some of the board members, department heads, staff,
- general, public, and the people that applied through our questions at elsil.ie.us. So this is not my
- list. This is the list that I've called for the many conversations and days working through this process.
- I mean, I've had some people call me and say, put me on the list. So I did.
- Okay, well, with the consensus of the council, can I move on to? Well, the one thing is, though, if
- he's gonna, to me, it's a waste of time for him to sit down there and write all those names, because,
- I mean, the names don't mean nothing to me, because there's probably a lot of people I don't even know.
- So, I mean, like, if he gives me the names, unless we talk about them, I don't know. Like, let's say
- you were on it, and I didn't know you, and I didn't know you were on the council or anything about your
- background. Again, that's why I ask, oh, no, I get that, and that's why I asked Mike to kind of set
- a criteria that I put out before everybody,
- Here's what I would like to see a person have, not by name, have these experiences. Yeah, your criteria
- was good. So that's why I was trusting Mike to just bring those forward to us that met those criteria.
- And I asked all five of us, have you got other criteria you want to see chime in? And I assumed you
- guys were good with my criteria. I was OK with your criteria. I'm not being argumentative. I'm saying
- I assumed when no one else chimed in that we were good with letting Mike just bring forth a set of names
- that met that criteria.
- That's where I got because at one point I seen that for us to vote that Mike even goes through and does
- that. So that's where I got confused because I thought we were picking them. He's going to give us the
- ones that met those criteria in his mind. Yeah, so like the long list of names he's doing now.
- In my opinion, I don't need to know. I don't need to see him. I don't need to know him because Mike
- is bringing us the three that fit the criteria. I mean, if you want to see him, go ahead. Mike, how
- many did you have met the criteria, you know? Pardon? How many did you have? I have 22 here. That met
- the criteria that we laid out? 22. All 22 of them met that criteria? Well, some of them ended up being,
- a lot of them are township people.
- Right and. Do you have the email so I can I'm looking for it and but you know. I mean well it just kind
- of give everybody I'm not I'm not sure what you're asking. Well just give everybody a heads up the laid
- out I think for criteria that what I personally was going to be looking for and ask for solicitation
- with the Council what they would be looking for in these people. One I wanted somebody who had managed a large
- a large organization or a larger organization, including a budget. It's no offense to every one of us
- who manages a household or a small business, this is a multimillion dollar budget with a whole lot of
- things that come from the state of Indiana that have to be done and not done and done in a certain sequence
- and not done in a certain sequence to be effective. So I wanted somebody who had that experience, who
- wasn't having to learn this on the fly. I wanted somebody who had the experience of dealing with multiple
- sets of employees, not one or two employees,
- but 50, 60 employees, or as close to that as we can get. If we have someone who served as an elected
- or appointed government body before, again, that was all criteria that can go forward, again, because
- we only have six months to do this. Now, none of these are something where if you don't have it, we
- eliminated you, but this is just what I was looking for. And again, someone who's familiar with the
- government process, because there are a whole lot of steps here that have to be done in order, in sequence,
- or this fails.
- we do something illegal. None of us want to do that. And it's difficult enough from all of us who've
- done this now for years, you can remember back your first few years on council, everything was confusing
- because it would seem that it would flow a certain way. And that's just not how Indiana sets it up.
- So those were my four criteria that I was looking for. I don't know what the rest of you were looking
- for, but that's what I had asked Mike. I would be interested in seeing those people that met those things
- for those reasons.
- And that's not to, again, remember, that's not to put everybody else off. If you've got an interest
- in doing this, by all means, there are going to be all sorts of committees that we're going to go begging
- for people. This is just, we're being, I wanted people that are on this initial reorganization committee
- not to have to stumble over like little hidden things in Indiana law or little hidden things in large
- budgeting that you've got to worry about that maybe get missed in the long run, which is why I put those
- criteria out.
- And to be clear, you kind of caught me off guard because I was writing, but the reason I have all these
- names still is because these all seem to be names we can use for the subcommittee. And so I didn't toss,
- I mean, it didn't happen to me to toss any or to even, but they all fit the criteria to be on one of
- the committees. So that's, you kind of caught me off guard, but that's why I still have the names. Okay.
- And I figured this might come up. There's one name I don't have to look it up, but what do you want?
- Can you copy this? You may copy that for all five of us. And again, Councilman. I don't know the one.
- You know, kind of what I thought too would be there be questions asked from these people and have them
- respond to us and we all look at it and get that kind of response and go from there. Well, I mean, this
- is kind of like an interview process.
- that we are speaking for our constituents out here that have elected us to their ward. So we have to
- vote for their people to come in, our people that we want in there. You're gonna give us a list of 22
- names. I don't know who this person is from that person. Did you have anybody you wanted to be on the list?
- No, not really. But I want to know what's going on and how we pick those people. If I didn't know that
- any time between now and two weeks ago, I should have told you. When this all started, I wanted to keep
- in the loop of everything. I am not calling you. You can call me. I'm busy taking care of this. I understand
- that. I've been busy every day of two weeks, and you've never called me once. You've never called me
- once. Mike, I have called you and you have never called me back, but that's hearsay. That's BS.
- to make a decision here. So you're giving me a bunch of names that I have no reason why they've been
- picked, who picked them, or what they're about. I mean, I think we all need to know what's going on.
- Well, you should get involved sometime. I have been trying to get involved. That's BS too. Okay. Even
- within the emails. And I want to talk about the emails. I'm pretty sure that's against open door policy
- for all five of us to do an email change.
- So that's why I do not respond to those emails. I don't expect nothing. I expect this. This is a very
- important decision being made. I expect this to be given it. Well,
- I mean, so I don't. You know, I'm on the council. I think I should have been provided with the names
- before I had to vote on them 15 minutes before then. I don't feel like it is fine for people to come
- to me. I work for the residents. I work for the town. So you know what? Their time's precious. I go
- to them when they have the time to get back to me. So I can't help it that you didn't reach out. You
- had numerous times to reach out. I reached out during the meetings
- So I verbally said it in the public. If you don't like talking in the public, that's your problem,
- not mine. I talk to the public all the time. I don't hide from them, Dan. That's fine, but you're accusing
- me of something. I'm not gonna listen to it. Dan, did you ask for a list the last meeting? No. When
- this all started, I asked to be kept in the loop about this. And Mike's even said tonight, he's talked
- to council members.
- He didn't get spoken to one bit. I called him. Scott called him because we know as a town manager, he
- is not going to be sitting there picking up the phone. And as an elected official, we're not there to
- be drug across the line and told exactly what to do. That is not what an elected official does. We're
- supposed to be self starters.
- We don't sit there and have to beg for permission to get these things. I asked, Mike, did you send any
- of these out for me unsolicited? No. No, I asked. Do what? Okay. I'm not gonna get nowhere fighting,
- but just ask a question. Where do we want to go with this right now? Do you want to do the rest of the
- meeting while you guys look at these,
- I mean, there's some names on here, I'll be honest with you, I haven't seen the complete list until
- now. And some names I honestly don't know, but there's several names on here that I'm more than comfortable
- with. I think a couple are either two names on here, one person's on here twice. Yeah, it's redundant
- because I merged it to the list. Sure, I get it. And I believe one person's already been asked to do
- it for the township. So that kind of reduces it down a little bit. I have a question, though.
- Mike or Scott Edelman can answer. On this committee, do they just make suggestions of what's going on?
- Do they vote? Do they? The reorganization committee will be in charge of producing a plan. They'll be.
- So they don't actually vote? They'll be independent of the boards. And I mean, I will.
- I'll only be able to facilitate to them and I won't speak for them unless they ask me to. But they don't
- vote, what I'm saying is. They're gonna make up just a plan, they're not gonna vote. They have no ability
- to put anything in place on their own. That's right. That has to come to both boards to do that. They're
- making a recommendation. They come up with a plan that's a recommendation to both boards. So basically
- what this board is doing is serving as a clearinghouse of information for the subcommittees to bring,
- sort of like what they did with Envision Elksville.
- where you had one kind of steering committee, and that should be a better name for this, steering committee
- rather than redevelopment committee. And then you had various subgroups. The subgroups, in my mind,
- are the ones that are so crucial that they get the right people on them, because those are the ones
- that need subject matter experts, not people who are thinking, I saw it on TV, so this must be how it
- is. I mean, we need people who are truly subject matter experts there. I mean, we've all paid sewer
- bill, but I don't know how to put one in the ground. Well, these people that are on that committee need
- to know how to do that.
- You know, again, I see a lot of firemen go up and down the roadway, but I don't put out fires. I don't
- want to be on the fire committee because I need somebody there to say, this is what that pumper cost.
- It is shocking what a fire truck actually costs. I don't think most people understand that. So those
- in my mind, sorry, Mike had to use you as a Kevin, sorry. Look at Mike talking. Had to use you as an
- example. In my mind, those subcommittees are much, I don't say more important.
- but the selection of those folks onto that is much more important than the steering committee who is
- just helping facilitate this entire process. If I may, at points, there'll have to be work sessions
- so the two boards can interject with their thoughts and ideas and that'll be where this
- directions might change here and there. So I think there'll be a lot of information passed back and
- forth. And that's what the working sessions will be about is to help the reorganization committee get
- a feel for what the general public or at least the representatives of the general public might want
- in there. So there's a mechanism for information to go back and forth.
- Once again, I'm talking for the reorganization committee and I will not have any sway over them at all.
- When you specifically asked about votes, I'm sure there are going to be votes on what subcommittees
- are formed, what's going to go into the final plan. That'll be the reorganization committee. Yeah, that's
- what I'm saying. They'll have votes within their sphere, but none of those votes are going to be binding
- on the town or township. Those are just for
- you know, okay, we need 12 committees, we need four committees or stuff like that. And I think there's
- a lot of good names on this list. And so the reorganization committee should try to utilize a lot of
- these names if they so choose. But at some point, I believe we'll probably have to reissue a request
- for more people or volunteers just to keep the process going.
- So we're gonna pick three out of these. Three out of these tonight. Well, yeah, I think I wrote down
- anything that I heard or was told to put down, and like I said, I had the names of the people that signed
- in through email. So again, back to council. Do you want a few minutes to look at these while we do
- the rest of the meeting, or do we want to progress with this topic currently?
- How are we going to pick three people out of here? I mean, who's nominating these people? Any of us
- can nominate these people. I mean, again, I recognize several names on here that meet the criteria that
- I was looking for. One, I didn't think he wanted to be involved, but he does, so I'm thrilled. Yeah,
- I didn't take anybody out just because they said they didn't want to be and doesn't want to be, but
- there's people. There is one person on it.
- does not want to be on the list, though I can see that. Well, that's fine. I just didn't feel like I
- should just scratch somebody off. I tried to just keep a list as I was moving around, and people would
- call. I'm more warning if we blurt the list out in public. No, I get it. Whoa, I did not. I get it.
- I get it. So the township, I'm sorry to interrupt, has made their picks of folks, right? They have.
- OK. I mean, I think it's public. Yes, it is.
- Yes. So you can scratch Kevin Farasoff, because that's one of the choices. Scott Reynolds. Oh, you know,
- one of the other choices that I didn't get written down, because I didn't have it on my list, but I
- knew about it, was I think Scott Reynolds is another choice. But he's what the township chose.
- He's township choice. Yeah, there's several people on here that are and then and then I think the third
- one is done. Yeah, they put one of their members on and she's township board. So, and that's another
- point I would like to make. I think if it's the town's board, then the township pick from the township.
- I think we need to pick our three members from the town.
- That's your choice. I don't know where these people live. That's what I was just looking at, Dan. I
- know that there's a couple on here that again meet my criteria and they do live in the town. I mean,
- if you want nominations, I can give you those nominations right now so you know who I'm talking about.
- But my thing is, I don't want to delete someone off this list that may be quite capable because
- I just don't know who they are. Okay, the first one on the list is town. One, two, three, four, five.
- Sixth one down is town. The next one is town. The next one's town, I believe. So one, two, three, four.
- Nine, 10, this is really clumsy. The 10th one is town, the 11th one is town, the 12th one is town, the
- 13th one is town. The next, the last one on the list on the second column is, nope, he's not town either.
- That could be it.
- So no one on the second? No. I only saw like four on here, five on here that were town that I knew of.
- Yeah, so there's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight are on the town. And actually, the second
- one on the third person down, I believe, may be on the town. There. Oh, OK. Township. Mike, on your
- first column next to the last, did you say that one was in town?
- Yeah, I think he is. I don't think his house. His house is some of the rest of the family. I know where
- it is. I know where it is. So, Council, what do we want to do? I mean, I can put forth a couple of names
- that I was thinking that I see on here or we can wait to let you guys have a couple more minutes with
- it. It's what your pleasure is.
- I'm ready for recommendations if you've got some. I am too. I've already gone through. Well, we can
- guess from all these. The three that I would nominate would be Mike Corman, because of his long experience
- with the town and budgeting, as well as his professional experience in firefighting. I think it's something
- we desperately are going to need. That's kind of the biggest ticket items that we're going to have to
- deal with in the long run.
- I would nominate Andrew Henry, who is a small business owner. It's not that small of a business. It
- has a very, very large bottom line, I guess I would say. And I would also nominate Councilman Ellis,
- as I think is important for Councilman Broderick. Okay. I have a problem with William. Okay. Okay. When
- we picked the RDC board, and it was my suggestion that I felt like Dan and I shouldn't
- be on the RDC because we already had authority in the town council and then we were on the planning
- that affects the town too. So with you, William, I feel like because you're on council and then you're
- on the RDC board, that would be falling to me what I said about me and Dan. You would be like over three
- boards that affected the town. And that's why I thought Dan and I shouldn't be because we already had
- communications twice on boards. So I just feel like
- you shouldn't be on it because of that reason or drop the board. See what I'm saying? Because I feel
- like me and Dan should be on two of them. If it comes between this and the RDC board, I'd rather be
- on this. You'd rather be on that? I'd rather be on the realization. I feel like that you should just,
- because that's what I suggested about, that's why Trevor and you- The issue with the RDC board, that
- was two of us have got to be on it and it can't be the president. Right. And I just want to tell you,
- I do not have time to do it. I don't have time to do this or that.
- This board is just making a recommendation. That is one thing that and it's a it's a temporary board,
- right? It is just temporary and I strongly recommend you have at least one council member, but you're
- going to have the same problem pretty much no matter who you nominate because if it's Trevor,
- he's on the RDC. If it's you, I know you're on planning commission. If it's Dan, you're on planning
- commission.
- Other questions, comments? Is there a second for my nomination? Is there any dissenting one that wants
- to put another name forward? I'll nominate Dr. Sanders. Will you entertain conversation about that?
- No. How the hell am I going to have a conversation with these people? Well, no, what I was going to
- say is I'm hoping that Dr. Sanders is the seventh pick that this board makes because of his experience.
- Well, I'm assuming that he wants on here if his name is on here. Right. And what I was hoping is the
- board chooses the seventh member. I'm hoping since he runs the local school corporation that they will
- pick him as that seventh member. So I didn't want to put him on the board and then have a choice for
- both boards to make. Do we put another township person or do we put a town person on it? Dr. Sanders
- is the ultimate
- neutral party because he runs another corporation that's a governmental body. And it follows a template
- that we're kind of following from the William, or the William, from the Sheridan. Sheridan Adams Township
- consolidation, the six reorganization committee people appointed the seventh person and it
- was the superintendent of the schools. And Whitetown had done the same thing for their reorganization.
- the superintendent was a seven. I don't know if it's a wife's town. It was a superintendent, but it
- was either a school board member or somebody that the school corporation before. Yeah, the corporation
- put forward. How do you want to do this? So there was a motion in a second. So let's go with Scott's
- motion first since there was a second. So the nomination was before I real quick. Dan was just one person.
- But if we have a motion, if we work on Scott's motion,
- You will do one at a time. That would kill. Yeah, so should we? Yeah, that's what you want to do one
- at a time. Would that be since we have four nominations? I think that's the Council's pleasure. How
- you want to do it, but excuse me, go ahead for four nominations. What do you mean? But I nominated three
- people. Dan has put forth Dr Sanders for eligible.
- Okay. So are we amenable to go on one by one? That's fine. I am. Okay. So let's go and let's just get
- it over with Councilman Ellis first. So let's do the roll call for it. Okay. Scott Holden? Yes.
- Dan Swaffer? No.
- William Ellis. Yes. Trevor Sager. Yes. Pamela Samples. No. Motion passes. Since Dr. Sanders appears
- on our list next, let's do Dan's. Okay. And if there's a second, I don't think anyone called for a second
- motion. I'll second it so we can vote on it.
- Scott Oldham. With my explanation, I hope he's picked his number 7th, no. Dan Swafford. Yes.
- William Ellis. No. Trevor Sager. No. Pamela Samples. No. Motion fails. The next is Andrew Henry.
- Scott Oldham. Yes. Dan Swafford. I don't know who this person is.
- William Ellis. Yes. Trevor Sager. Yes. Pamela Samples. Yes. Motion passes. Finally, Mike Corman.
- Scott Oldham. Yes. Dan Swaffer. Yes. William Ellis. Yes. Trevor Sager. Yes. Pamela Samples. Yes. Motion
- passes. Okay, so I understand we're all clear. We have our three at this point. Yes. So according to
- the votes that the council voted, we have Mike Corman.
- Andrew Henry and William Ellis. All right, and I will. Lobby to make sure that. I mean, I like
- the recommendation and I agree with you with Doctor Sanders and I don't know why we mess up tradition,
- so but I can't speak for the rest of it. I just think he offers in a very important perspective and
- he has otherwise one boards going to be outweighed. Well, that beyond he also holds and again this this
- sounds overdramatic,
- he is the one in charge of the people that this is gonna affect the most. So, I mean, because quite
- frankly, guys, we get this done and all of us get to enjoy it for 10, 15, 20 years. He's got kids that
- are enjoying it for 50 or 60 years. So we need to make sure we do it right. There is no new business
- this evening. We'll now move to privilege of the floor. Any how many business for the council that's
- not part of our normal agenda? No one rises in chambers, no one is online.
- Moving now to supervisor comments. Sure, I'll mention last Friday we had. I'll just mention that our.
- I'll just mention that Denise is going to be talking about the opening of Heritage Center, which I call
- the bar. Other than that. You better say everything I was going to say.
- And other than that, I appreciate moving forward with putting together a reorganization committee. I
- have literally for hours and hours every day, every day, been talking to people, organizations, large
- businesses in Monroe County. Just met with a couple people today.
- They're leaders of our community and I'm talking about the county and I'm getting so much positive feedback.
- I know it was going to come to an end sooner or later that where we'd have a tussle on the desktop,
- there's going to be a lot of sausage making in the future. So every once while there'll be
- blood and guts on your feet and so it's going to be hard work but I am telling you if anybody wants
- to know why we're doing this I can give them the positive but really they really need to know the story
- of what's going to happen if we don't do this because it's not a good it's not a good narrative and
- I think the reason we're going to do it is so positive that
- It'll be a new day for our township, which includes Ellisville, and I'm really excited about being a
- part of it, and all I wanna do is facilitate it so it can get voted on and let the voters decide this
- eventually. Okay, anything else? Chief? Chief? Kip? Okay, now it's my turn.
- Last Friday, we had the grand opening slash ribbon cutting of the Heritage Center. This was for our
- stakeholders, grant people, and the occupancy load wasn't enough for employees to be there at the same
- time. So this Friday, we're hosting the employees to go in and see it and have lunch, except they won't
- hear any speeches.
- But it turned out to be a very nice event. We furnished lunch, and we had about 52 people attending,
- and William spoke at it, and that's probably four or five other mics spoke. I spoke, Shelly Yoder spoke,
- and it was just a nice event, so we'll be opening on the 15th for the public to start using it. Did
- I cover everything?
- So we'll try to get something on the website soon enough about the rules, when you can rent, when you
- can be there without renting, and how often it'll be open Monday through Friday, and what the hours
- are. We worked through some of that. Actually, I wasn't there. We didn't.
- You didn't do it. So we're working through that and we'll be ready by December 15th to open this up.
- I've had a lot of people call me and ask when they can rent it for weddings, graduation, just all kinds
- of different things, so. So let me ask you a question if I can. Is this, the rules regarding it going
- to be different from the other shelter houses that the Parks Board manages? Yeah, it will. It'll be
- a lot more extensive.
- The venue is fabulous. The work that's put into this and the workmanship and the narrative that Denise
- provided to get us the original grant, it is actually exactly what we said we were going to do. The
- amenities that we'll be adding onto and around the community center, heritage center,
- We'll go on forever. So at the meeting or at the opening, I said, we'll always only be 99% done with
- it because we'll just keep adding to it until it's a fabulous part. And I especially want to mention
- that the Stewart family was there. And one of the gentlemen, Paul Stewart, he spoke and he literally
- in the 50s and 60s worked in the barn and he had the
- Tell him what he did in the board. Tell him. Well, he had the duties of keeping it clean and without
- a manure smell. So I mean, the fact that a family owned that and worked it as a farm all these years
- and now it's turned into a park is wonderful. The Stewart family, I mean, it goes beyond what you can
- imagine. They're just so glad that this is how they're
- property turned out and so it was really a good event and I think I'm hoping the Fall Festival integrates
- it into their Fall Festival next year and anybody that wants to see it will be able to go in,
- utilize it. Got a canasta club or the Boy Scouts or whatever during the day. It'll be utilized for that.
- It'll be utilized for the arts and hopefully I see a band playing on it sooner than later. You realize
- that out of the
- 50 people that are actually watching this meeting right now, only about three of them know what Canasta
- actually is, right? My mom played Canasta. I'm just saying. I did want to finish telling Paul Stewart's
- story. So he said in the summer, all of his friends would be driving up and down the road. And there,
- his dad had him shoveling manure. And they would drive by and say, hey, and he was so embarrassed, he said.
- But I did want to, and when I spoke, I think William was there, but I did want to thank all of the council
- for allowing the grant to be written in the funds for the match used, and I hope you get a chance to
- go in. I do have a quick question, something that I just loved, my grandson who was there loved hearing
- it, couldn't believe it. How much, those stone walls, how many million, is it a million? We built a
- wall, it's an accent wall, and it's part of,
- some of the things we have planned in the future out of Bybee Stone. It was rough stone that was left
- over from some of their projects. And they basically donated to us. And then Stone Belt Trucking basically
- donated their time to haul it back and forth. And it's a million pounds of stone, our own crews prepped,
- and set each stone and each stone had a place it needed to go. So there's another, I mean... Well, we
- paid him, but yeah, Donald's Crane took care of it. But we moved a million pounds of stone to make that.
- And we did it in-house and we only spent $15,000 on that wall. And I know that there's some other walls
- in the vicinity that costs 10 times that much. Maybe. So I'll just say one last thing. It is what the
- town's about. It represents our heritage and it represents, as we move forward, it's kind of
- how we want to be in the future of providing gathering places and places that people can take their
- kids down. This park is actually going to be a vaccine for using
- blue screens and Internet this might actually get him out of the house and make him come down and play
- in the creek so we think this might change the whole use of Internet Internet might be out gone by the
- in 10 years after this park open so I don't I don't know might be going out on a limb on that one.
- Yes sir, one thing. I am preparing for the next meeting to have the council approve the annual meeting
- list for all the boards and I wanted to ask the council's pleasure if it was to keep the same traditional
- second and fourth Mondays for the council meetings. Yeah? I say yeah. Staying at 6.30? Yeah. It works.
- Okay, I'll have it prepared for the next meeting. Thank you. Okay. Council comments? None?
- Seeing no other business for the council, we're adjourned.