Call the order of the Monday, December 8th, 2025 meeting of the Oldsville Town Council. Chief, did you
declare it? I'm sorry, the prayer. Just one more time, we'll have the Father come before you this evening
and thank you again for all the many blessings you've bestowed on this little town. Just ask you to
keep us under your arm and lead us through this winter that we will come out in spring and feel really
good. We ask these things in Jesus' name, amen. Thank you, Chief. I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible,
with liberty and justice for all. Whenever you're ready, roll call, please. Here. Here. William Ellis.
Here. Trevor Sager. Here. Pamela Samples. Here.
Action approved minutes from November 24th, 2025 meeting. So moved. Motion second, all those in favor
say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any abstaining? Next on the agenda is acts to pay accounts payable vouchers
and the payroll vouchers. Second. Motion second, all those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Abstaining.
There are three resolutions this evening. First resolution is 41-2025.
to approve a purchase agreement between McQueen Equipment LLC in the town of Eltsville for one Pierce
enforcer PUC pumper truck for the Eltsville Fire Department. At the last town council meeting, the council
authorized the fire chief to place an order for a fire truck so the town could get in line, so to speak.
And so this
particular resolution authorizes the fire chief to sign the actual purchase agreement for that fire
truck, which the council did not have in front of it at the last meeting. Okay. Questions from council.
You refresh our memory on the cost. It's just under 1.3. It is $1,297,300. Questions, comments from council.
For the chief. Comment. Public. Back to council for action. Resolution 41-25 to approve a purchase agreement
between McQueen Equipment LLC and the town of Ellsville for one Pierce Enforcer PUC pumper truck for
the Ellsville Fire Department. Second. Motion second. Roll call please. Scott Oldham.
Stan Swafford? Yes. William Ellis? Yes. Trevor Sager? Yes. Pamela Samples? Yes. Motion passes. Next
resolution this evening is 42-2025 to approve the financing for said Pierce Enforcer PUC pickup truck.
I'm sorry, fire truck. So this resolution incorporates largely a lot of language that PNC Bank wants
to have in the resolution. They are going to assist the town with the financing.
and this particular resolution authorizes either the town manager or the fire chief to sign any lease
agreements and or to sign any paperwork necessary to get the loan. Okay, questions, comments from council?
Chief, town manager? Just to remind you, Texas,
paid for through the contract with Richland Township. But for clarity, the truck is owned by the town,
correct? That is correct. Anyone from the public? And back to council. I make a motion to approve revolution
42-2025 to approve the financing for that purist enforcer, P.C. Ampercrack. I'll second.
Motion second, roll call when you're ready. Scott Oldham? Yes. Dan Swafford? Yes. William Ellis? Yes.
Trevor Sager? Yes. Pamela Samples? Yes. Motion carries. Next resolution this evening is 43-2025 to approve
a transfer of funds in general for redevelopment commission pay.
technical difficulties that I'll take care of that in one second. Apologies for the technical difficulties
we're having. This transfer of funds is going to be out of the general fund for the Redevelopment Commission
to pay the Commission Board for
If you remember earlier this year when we did the additional appropriation to appropriate funds for
the Redevelopment Commission to use, it was put into other services and charges and the office supplies.
This will be taking $1,200 from the office supplies, which you can see in column two, the year to date
that we have left, which is $4,865.20. And in the fourth column that's orange, I'd be requesting $1,200
for the recommission pay and then the leftover balance for the fund would be $6,192.82. Okay. Questions,
comments from council? Mike, you good? I'm good. Okay. Motions from council since this is internal.
make a motion to approve resolution forty three dash twenty twenty five to approve transfer funds in
general for the redevelopment commission pay second. Motion the second when you're ready. Scott Holden
yes Dan Swapper yes William Ellis yes Trevor Sager yes Pamela samples yes motion carries. There are
no ordinances on first reading this evening there's an ordinance on second reading which is ordinance
twenty twenty five dash twenty six the salary ordinance for the budget year twenty
So since this is on second reading, nothing has changed. I can answer any questions if the council still
had them. There was not any questions from the last time or any changes, so. Questions from council
or comments? Just a question. Don't we used to do that earlier? I mean, it has to be done before the
end of the year and I, okay, I like to think we used to do it earlier.
In a normal year, it may have been done in November, but we've had a lot of things going on in the office.
If it's the council's pleasure to have it done earlier, I can most certainly do that going forward.
Oh no, no, I just was asking. I was just kind of confused because I thought we did approve it earlier,
but no, it's fine. No, sir. Anything from staff?
Well, I just remind the public that this year there was no raises for our workforce. It's sad to say.
Preparing for what might happen to our revenues going into 2028, we're preparing now for that. And I
just remind everybody that we were not able to give any raises to our workforce. And they did deserve
it. Absolutely.
Anyone else? Anyone from the public with a comment? No one rises in chambers, no one online back to
the council. I'll move to approve ordinance 2025-26 salary ordinance for budget year 2026. Motion second
when you're ready. Scott Oldham? Yes. Dan Swafford? Yes. William Ellis? Yes. Trevor Sager? Yes. Pamela
Samples? Yes. Motion passes.
Under Old Business this evening, a selection of individuals to serve as the town's representatives on
the Richland Township slash Town of Ellsville Reorganization Committee. I can start by saying the Township
Board has picked their three choices for the Reorganization Committee. That was last Friday, and so
we are hoping to have three picks chosen tonight.
We had a few people either contact the clerk's office or email in their desire to serve on the reorganization
committee. I think maybe one or two might be in the audience. And so we had some interest. We didn't
have as many people apply as I thought through the emails and that.
between staff conversations that I had with board members who committed some of the people they thought
should be on it. We did have quite a list and a lot of our list was township people as well as townspeople.
But so I do think we need to get on with having the committee, you know,
formal group so we can move on with our business. I think after we pick, if we do pick tonight, we'll
have six people and then I think the order of business then would be the reorganization committee would
pick the seventh person. So there'll be one more person chosen and we'll have
The good news is we can't pick everybody, but we're going to have a lot of good names still for all
the subcommittees, so that's encouraging. Yeah, and just so that we all understand and make sure that
I'm understanding here, and the public understands, this reorganization committee will then form out
various subgroups for various expertise moving forward, such as parks, public safety, sewer water, things
like that.
planning and zoning, police fire. Yeah, planning everything. Yeah, there'll be at least six or seven
committees and they really will truly be the bulk of the work that will be in those individual committees
because there'll be specific planning done. I don't know how the reorganization committee will interact
with the subcommittees, but once we do have a reorganization committee,
they will take the lead on all this. And so I'm trying not to get ahead of saying what they'll do. Sure.
And then at some point, they come back to both us and the Township Board for approval or how does that
work? Yeah. I mean, you know, from then on, the planning begins on the construction of a plan and the
costs associated with that will be up to these committees.
And obviously there'll be some updates for the general public as we move forward. We'll have a lot of
public meetings and private sessions where people can come in and we'll make ourselves accessible. There'll
be information via social media when we think there's maybe a threshold where we can share information. And then,
sometime in June, we have to have the completed plan so both boards can vote on that. And I don't know
if that vote comes before, I assume that vote comes before we send this off to the DLGF, assuming we
get to that point. And then the DLGF signs off on it. And at that time,
then it would go on a referendum for November, but there's a lot of time between now and June, and so
there'll be a lot of meetings, and the reorganization committee will take the lead once this is established.
For the department heads and myself, and maybe even other board members, we'll facilitate information,
and there'll be times when we'll have working sessions,
ideas and debates will go on to make this move forward, but I think that's it. That's how it's gonna
work. Six months sounds like a long time, but it's really not when you're trying to essentially plan
a future for a combined town. It's not, and so anybody that gets on the committees should plan on going
to a lot of meetings and
and hopefully they'll be time consuming so we can be thorough about how we plan to attempt to reorganize.
All this, everything we do will lead up to a point where the two township board and the town board will
vote on it. So nothing is in stone until it becomes voted on, the DLGF signs off on it, so. But even
then it's not in stone until the voters actually
issue their referendums. Yeah, the democratic process of voting will decide whether this is a go or
not. I have a question for Darla. Sure, absolutely. Darla, maybe somebody had asked me, and I didn't
have the answer to this, does the DOGF do a fiscal impact report on this, do you know? Because I thought
it was just going to them for approval that we follow the steps in ballot language.
Well, I think your financial advisor does the fiscal impact, but the DLGF checks their work and makes
sure that it's going to work. So one is done? Yes. Got you. Other questions? Yes. How many did you say
we got? How many applications? Well, through the clerk's office or through our email, I don't know that
it was more than a half a dozen.
And I have 22 names on a list that I just can't track up. Some of them were through conversations I
had out on the street, and we were trying to make sure we had at least a decent-sized list to choose
from. And we shared some of our names that were township people with the township. And I believe that
they actually picked one of those people that we
I mentioned, we had them go to the township. So I don't know how, I think they had the same process
where you could mail in or call in and put their name. And I think that's how they decided on theirs.
So do we get to see them, the council? Do we get to see the applications? Yeah. Yeah, I mean. The names,
yeah. Yeah, I can show them to you at some time whenever you wanna see them, so. I mean, before we vote,
I mean, can we look at them?
Don't we choose them, the council? Don't we look at them and choose them? I think in the long run, knowing
there was that many names, we had an email exchange amongst all of us where I suggested we have Mike
vet some of these folks first, as opposed to setting up- Yeah, and I did get that, but I also got one,
I think Darla sent it for us to vote to give Mike the authority to do it. So I'm assuming that- No,
I thought that was to give Mike the authority to appoint them. Yeah, I'm not-
He's just bringing forward names based on the criteria. I'm not appointing anybody and I've not chosen
anybody. I just kept a list as I heard anybody mention names, including when I talked to the township
board as well. So, you know, nope, I had. I appreciate your deconflict. I had board members offer me
names too. So there was no, I don't know what you're wanting, but.
Tonight, up till tonight, I've not had anybody request a formal list. I guess I'm essentially, because
I thought the council was going to pick them. Well, you are. Unless we're going to get to see them and
go through them. You're going to vote on them. I assume there's going to be some nominations this time.
Because you have that in your list, right? I have that in my list, and I assume some of the names I've
heard are on my list. Perfect. OK.
I think I'm a little confused too. If we're voting on people that I don't know or don't know why they've
been put in here, or I think that's what Pam's trying to establish that, you know, we're the ones gotta
make the decision. So we need to be kept in the loop of who's on this list, how many people applied,
why we're picking these people and things like that.
Yeah, well, this is 11th hour and I would have thought somebody to call me. I think we did. I mean,
I'm pretty sure I mentioned it before. I know that I have been talking to Mike regularly and Noel asking
who's applied over the last month and going through there. Has anybody else? As of today, I didn't have
anybody else. I mean, I, I, I, I. OK, yeah, my Scott's Scott, I guess, too.
Pardon? I said, yeah. And Trevor asked me too, but I never heard from you. I said the thing is that
I'd like to see him. I'd like to be involved in it. When was that? In the midst of all of our emails
that even Scott's talking about. In the midst that I said I would like to be involved in it. Do you
have a list that you can share with Councilor McCurley? Oh, I could. You want me to read them off? No.
No. I want you to write them down. We can come back to this. I'll tell you what. Why don't we let him
write that list out, and then we can share it with everybody.
and then we'll come back to this at the end of the meeting. For the sake of time. You got work? I think
that's almost the last thing on that. Well, I don't know, because I don't know what's going to come
up under your staff business. That's true. You all right with that? So what are we doing now? We're
going to put this on hold for a minute, do the rest of the meeting, and then circle back to this as
our last item. And vote. Is he giving us the names that he's nominating, or? I'm not nominating anybody.
The list I have is from conversations I've heard from some of the board members, department heads, staff,
general, public, and the people that applied through our questions at elsil.ie.us. So this is not my
list. This is the list that I've called for the many conversations and days working through this process.
I mean, I've had some people call me and say, put me on the list. So I did.
Okay, well, with the consensus of the council, can I move on to? Well, the one thing is, though, if
he's gonna, to me, it's a waste of time for him to sit down there and write all those names, because,
I mean, the names don't mean nothing to me, because there's probably a lot of people I don't even know.
So, I mean, like, if he gives me the names, unless we talk about them, I don't know. Like, let's say
you were on it, and I didn't know you, and I didn't know you were on the council or anything about your
background. Again, that's why I ask, oh, no, I get that, and that's why I asked Mike to kind of set
a criteria that I put out before everybody,
Here's what I would like to see a person have, not by name, have these experiences. Yeah, your criteria
was good. So that's why I was trusting Mike to just bring those forward to us that met those criteria.
And I asked all five of us, have you got other criteria you want to see chime in? And I assumed you
guys were good with my criteria. I was OK with your criteria. I'm not being argumentative. I'm saying
I assumed when no one else chimed in that we were good with letting Mike just bring forth a set of names
that met that criteria.
That's where I got because at one point I seen that for us to vote that Mike even goes through and does
that. So that's where I got confused because I thought we were picking them. He's going to give us the
ones that met those criteria in his mind. Yeah, so like the long list of names he's doing now.
In my opinion, I don't need to know. I don't need to see him. I don't need to know him because Mike
is bringing us the three that fit the criteria. I mean, if you want to see him, go ahead. Mike, how
many did you have met the criteria, you know? Pardon? How many did you have? I have 22 here. That met
the criteria that we laid out? 22. All 22 of them met that criteria? Well, some of them ended up being,
a lot of them are township people.
Right and. Do you have the email so I can I'm looking for it and but you know. I mean well it just kind
of give everybody I'm not I'm not sure what you're asking. Well just give everybody a heads up the laid
out I think for criteria that what I personally was going to be looking for and ask for solicitation
with the Council what they would be looking for in these people. One I wanted somebody who had managed a large
a large organization or a larger organization, including a budget. It's no offense to every one of us
who manages a household or a small business, this is a multimillion dollar budget with a whole lot of
things that come from the state of Indiana that have to be done and not done and done in a certain sequence
and not done in a certain sequence to be effective. So I wanted somebody who had that experience, who
wasn't having to learn this on the fly. I wanted somebody who had the experience of dealing with multiple
sets of employees, not one or two employees,
but 50, 60 employees, or as close to that as we can get. If we have someone who served as an elected
or appointed government body before, again, that was all criteria that can go forward, again, because
we only have six months to do this. Now, none of these are something where if you don't have it, we
eliminated you, but this is just what I was looking for. And again, someone who's familiar with the
government process, because there are a whole lot of steps here that have to be done in order, in sequence,
or this fails.
we do something illegal. None of us want to do that. And it's difficult enough from all of us who've
done this now for years, you can remember back your first few years on council, everything was confusing
because it would seem that it would flow a certain way. And that's just not how Indiana sets it up.
So those were my four criteria that I was looking for. I don't know what the rest of you were looking
for, but that's what I had asked Mike. I would be interested in seeing those people that met those things
for those reasons.
And that's not to, again, remember, that's not to put everybody else off. If you've got an interest
in doing this, by all means, there are going to be all sorts of committees that we're going to go begging
for people. This is just, we're being, I wanted people that are on this initial reorganization committee
not to have to stumble over like little hidden things in Indiana law or little hidden things in large
budgeting that you've got to worry about that maybe get missed in the long run, which is why I put those
criteria out.
And to be clear, you kind of caught me off guard because I was writing, but the reason I have all these
names still is because these all seem to be names we can use for the subcommittee. And so I didn't toss,
I mean, it didn't happen to me to toss any or to even, but they all fit the criteria to be on one of
the committees. So that's, you kind of caught me off guard, but that's why I still have the names. Okay.
And I figured this might come up. There's one name I don't have to look it up, but what do you want?
Can you copy this? You may copy that for all five of us. And again, Councilman. I don't know the one.
You know, kind of what I thought too would be there be questions asked from these people and have them
respond to us and we all look at it and get that kind of response and go from there. Well, I mean, this
is kind of like an interview process.
that we are speaking for our constituents out here that have elected us to their ward. So we have to
vote for their people to come in, our people that we want in there. You're gonna give us a list of 22
names. I don't know who this person is from that person. Did you have anybody you wanted to be on the list?
No, not really. But I want to know what's going on and how we pick those people. If I didn't know that
any time between now and two weeks ago, I should have told you. When this all started, I wanted to keep
in the loop of everything. I am not calling you. You can call me. I'm busy taking care of this. I understand
that. I've been busy every day of two weeks, and you've never called me once. You've never called me
once. Mike, I have called you and you have never called me back, but that's hearsay. That's BS.
to make a decision here. So you're giving me a bunch of names that I have no reason why they've been
picked, who picked them, or what they're about. I mean, I think we all need to know what's going on.
Well, you should get involved sometime. I have been trying to get involved. That's BS too. Okay. Even
within the emails. And I want to talk about the emails. I'm pretty sure that's against open door policy
for all five of us to do an email change.
So that's why I do not respond to those emails. I don't expect nothing. I expect this. This is a very
important decision being made. I expect this to be given it. Well,
I mean, so I don't. You know, I'm on the council. I think I should have been provided with the names
before I had to vote on them 15 minutes before then. I don't feel like it is fine for people to come
to me. I work for the residents. I work for the town. So you know what? Their time's precious. I go
to them when they have the time to get back to me. So I can't help it that you didn't reach out. You
had numerous times to reach out. I reached out during the meetings
So I verbally said it in the public. If you don't like talking in the public, that's your problem,
not mine. I talk to the public all the time. I don't hide from them, Dan. That's fine, but you're accusing
me of something. I'm not gonna listen to it. Dan, did you ask for a list the last meeting? No. When
this all started, I asked to be kept in the loop about this. And Mike's even said tonight, he's talked
to council members.
He didn't get spoken to one bit. I called him. Scott called him because we know as a town manager, he
is not going to be sitting there picking up the phone. And as an elected official, we're not there to
be drug across the line and told exactly what to do. That is not what an elected official does. We're
supposed to be self starters.
We don't sit there and have to beg for permission to get these things. I asked, Mike, did you send any
of these out for me unsolicited? No. No, I asked. Do what? Okay. I'm not gonna get nowhere fighting,
but just ask a question. Where do we want to go with this right now? Do you want to do the rest of the
meeting while you guys look at these,
I mean, there's some names on here, I'll be honest with you, I haven't seen the complete list until
now. And some names I honestly don't know, but there's several names on here that I'm more than comfortable
with. I think a couple are either two names on here, one person's on here twice. Yeah, it's redundant
because I merged it to the list. Sure, I get it. And I believe one person's already been asked to do
it for the township. So that kind of reduces it down a little bit. I have a question, though.
Mike or Scott Edelman can answer. On this committee, do they just make suggestions of what's going on?
Do they vote? Do they? The reorganization committee will be in charge of producing a plan. They'll be.
So they don't actually vote? They'll be independent of the boards. And I mean, I will.
I'll only be able to facilitate to them and I won't speak for them unless they ask me to. But they don't
vote, what I'm saying is. They're gonna make up just a plan, they're not gonna vote. They have no ability
to put anything in place on their own. That's right. That has to come to both boards to do that. They're
making a recommendation. They come up with a plan that's a recommendation to both boards. So basically
what this board is doing is serving as a clearinghouse of information for the subcommittees to bring,
sort of like what they did with Envision Elksville.
where you had one kind of steering committee, and that should be a better name for this, steering committee
rather than redevelopment committee. And then you had various subgroups. The subgroups, in my mind,
are the ones that are so crucial that they get the right people on them, because those are the ones
that need subject matter experts, not people who are thinking, I saw it on TV, so this must be how it
is. I mean, we need people who are truly subject matter experts there. I mean, we've all paid sewer
bill, but I don't know how to put one in the ground. Well, these people that are on that committee need
to know how to do that.
You know, again, I see a lot of firemen go up and down the roadway, but I don't put out fires. I don't
want to be on the fire committee because I need somebody there to say, this is what that pumper cost.
It is shocking what a fire truck actually costs. I don't think most people understand that. So those
in my mind, sorry, Mike had to use you as a Kevin, sorry. Look at Mike talking. Had to use you as an
example. In my mind, those subcommittees are much, I don't say more important.
but the selection of those folks onto that is much more important than the steering committee who is
just helping facilitate this entire process. If I may, at points, there'll have to be work sessions
so the two boards can interject with their thoughts and ideas and that'll be where this
directions might change here and there. So I think there'll be a lot of information passed back and
forth. And that's what the working sessions will be about is to help the reorganization committee get
a feel for what the general public or at least the representatives of the general public might want
in there. So there's a mechanism for information to go back and forth.
Once again, I'm talking for the reorganization committee and I will not have any sway over them at all.
When you specifically asked about votes, I'm sure there are going to be votes on what subcommittees
are formed, what's going to go into the final plan. That'll be the reorganization committee. Yeah, that's
what I'm saying. They'll have votes within their sphere, but none of those votes are going to be binding
on the town or township. Those are just for
you know, okay, we need 12 committees, we need four committees or stuff like that. And I think there's
a lot of good names on this list. And so the reorganization committee should try to utilize a lot of
these names if they so choose. But at some point, I believe we'll probably have to reissue a request
for more people or volunteers just to keep the process going.
So we're gonna pick three out of these. Three out of these tonight. Well, yeah, I think I wrote down
anything that I heard or was told to put down, and like I said, I had the names of the people that signed
in through email. So again, back to council. Do you want a few minutes to look at these while we do
the rest of the meeting, or do we want to progress with this topic currently?
How are we going to pick three people out of here? I mean, who's nominating these people? Any of us
can nominate these people. I mean, again, I recognize several names on here that meet the criteria that
I was looking for. One, I didn't think he wanted to be involved, but he does, so I'm thrilled. Yeah,
I didn't take anybody out just because they said they didn't want to be and doesn't want to be, but
there's people. There is one person on it.
does not want to be on the list, though I can see that. Well, that's fine. I just didn't feel like I
should just scratch somebody off. I tried to just keep a list as I was moving around, and people would
call. I'm more warning if we blurt the list out in public. No, I get it. Whoa, I did not. I get it.
I get it. So the township, I'm sorry to interrupt, has made their picks of folks, right? They have.
OK. I mean, I think it's public. Yes, it is.
Yes. So you can scratch Kevin Farasoff, because that's one of the choices. Scott Reynolds. Oh, you know,
one of the other choices that I didn't get written down, because I didn't have it on my list, but I
knew about it, was I think Scott Reynolds is another choice. But he's what the township chose.
He's township choice. Yeah, there's several people on here that are and then and then I think the third
one is done. Yeah, they put one of their members on and she's township board. So, and that's another
point I would like to make. I think if it's the town's board, then the township pick from the township.
I think we need to pick our three members from the town.
That's your choice. I don't know where these people live. That's what I was just looking at, Dan. I
know that there's a couple on here that again meet my criteria and they do live in the town. I mean,
if you want nominations, I can give you those nominations right now so you know who I'm talking about.
But my thing is, I don't want to delete someone off this list that may be quite capable because
I just don't know who they are. Okay, the first one on the list is town. One, two, three, four, five.
Sixth one down is town. The next one is town. The next one's town, I believe. So one, two, three, four.
Nine, 10, this is really clumsy. The 10th one is town, the 11th one is town, the 12th one is town, the
13th one is town. The next, the last one on the list on the second column is, nope, he's not town either.
That could be it.
So no one on the second? No. I only saw like four on here, five on here that were town that I knew of.
Yeah, so there's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight are on the town. And actually, the second
one on the third person down, I believe, may be on the town. There. Oh, OK. Township. Mike, on your
first column next to the last, did you say that one was in town?
Yeah, I think he is. I don't think his house. His house is some of the rest of the family. I know where
it is. I know where it is. So, Council, what do we want to do? I mean, I can put forth a couple of names
that I was thinking that I see on here or we can wait to let you guys have a couple more minutes with
it. It's what your pleasure is.
I'm ready for recommendations if you've got some. I am too. I've already gone through. Well, we can
guess from all these. The three that I would nominate would be Mike Corman, because of his long experience
with the town and budgeting, as well as his professional experience in firefighting. I think it's something
we desperately are going to need. That's kind of the biggest ticket items that we're going to have to
deal with in the long run.
I would nominate Andrew Henry, who is a small business owner. It's not that small of a business. It
has a very, very large bottom line, I guess I would say. And I would also nominate Councilman Ellis,
as I think is important for Councilman Broderick. Okay. I have a problem with William. Okay. Okay. When
we picked the RDC board, and it was my suggestion that I felt like Dan and I shouldn't
be on the RDC because we already had authority in the town council and then we were on the planning
that affects the town too. So with you, William, I feel like because you're on council and then you're
on the RDC board, that would be falling to me what I said about me and Dan. You would be like over three
boards that affected the town. And that's why I thought Dan and I shouldn't be because we already had
communications twice on boards. So I just feel like
you shouldn't be on it because of that reason or drop the board. See what I'm saying? Because I feel
like me and Dan should be on two of them. If it comes between this and the RDC board, I'd rather be
on this. You'd rather be on that? I'd rather be on the realization. I feel like that you should just,
because that's what I suggested about, that's why Trevor and you- The issue with the RDC board, that
was two of us have got to be on it and it can't be the president. Right. And I just want to tell you,
I do not have time to do it. I don't have time to do this or that.
This board is just making a recommendation. That is one thing that and it's a it's a temporary board,
right? It is just temporary and I strongly recommend you have at least one council member, but you're
going to have the same problem pretty much no matter who you nominate because if it's Trevor,
he's on the RDC. If it's you, I know you're on planning commission. If it's Dan, you're on planning
commission.
Other questions, comments? Is there a second for my nomination? Is there any dissenting one that wants
to put another name forward? I'll nominate Dr. Sanders. Will you entertain conversation about that?
No. How the hell am I going to have a conversation with these people? Well, no, what I was going to
say is I'm hoping that Dr. Sanders is the seventh pick that this board makes because of his experience.
Well, I'm assuming that he wants on here if his name is on here. Right. And what I was hoping is the
board chooses the seventh member. I'm hoping since he runs the local school corporation that they will
pick him as that seventh member. So I didn't want to put him on the board and then have a choice for
both boards to make. Do we put another township person or do we put a town person on it? Dr. Sanders
is the ultimate
neutral party because he runs another corporation that's a governmental body. And it follows a template
that we're kind of following from the William, or the William, from the Sheridan. Sheridan Adams Township
consolidation, the six reorganization committee people appointed the seventh person and it
was the superintendent of the schools. And Whitetown had done the same thing for their reorganization.
the superintendent was a seven. I don't know if it's a wife's town. It was a superintendent, but it
was either a school board member or somebody that the school corporation before. Yeah, the corporation
put forward. How do you want to do this? So there was a motion in a second. So let's go with Scott's
motion first since there was a second. So the nomination was before I real quick. Dan was just one person.
But if we have a motion, if we work on Scott's motion,
You will do one at a time. That would kill. Yeah, so should we? Yeah, that's what you want to do one
at a time. Would that be since we have four nominations? I think that's the Council's pleasure. How
you want to do it, but excuse me, go ahead for four nominations. What do you mean? But I nominated three
people. Dan has put forth Dr Sanders for eligible.
Okay. So are we amenable to go on one by one? That's fine. I am. Okay. So let's go and let's just get
it over with Councilman Ellis first. So let's do the roll call for it. Okay. Scott Holden? Yes.
Dan Swaffer? No.
William Ellis. Yes. Trevor Sager. Yes. Pamela Samples. No. Motion passes. Since Dr. Sanders appears
on our list next, let's do Dan's. Okay. And if there's a second, I don't think anyone called for a second
motion. I'll second it so we can vote on it.
Scott Oldham. With my explanation, I hope he's picked his number 7th, no. Dan Swafford. Yes.
William Ellis. No. Trevor Sager. No. Pamela Samples. No. Motion fails. The next is Andrew Henry.
Scott Oldham. Yes. Dan Swafford. I don't know who this person is.
William Ellis. Yes. Trevor Sager. Yes. Pamela Samples. Yes. Motion passes. Finally, Mike Corman.
Scott Oldham. Yes. Dan Swaffer. Yes. William Ellis. Yes. Trevor Sager. Yes. Pamela Samples. Yes. Motion
passes. Okay, so I understand we're all clear. We have our three at this point. Yes. So according to
the votes that the council voted, we have Mike Corman.
Andrew Henry and William Ellis. All right, and I will. Lobby to make sure that. I mean, I like
the recommendation and I agree with you with Doctor Sanders and I don't know why we mess up tradition,
so but I can't speak for the rest of it. I just think he offers in a very important perspective and
he has otherwise one boards going to be outweighed. Well, that beyond he also holds and again this this
sounds overdramatic,
he is the one in charge of the people that this is gonna affect the most. So, I mean, because quite
frankly, guys, we get this done and all of us get to enjoy it for 10, 15, 20 years. He's got kids that
are enjoying it for 50 or 60 years. So we need to make sure we do it right. There is no new business
this evening. We'll now move to privilege of the floor. Any how many business for the council that's
not part of our normal agenda? No one rises in chambers, no one is online.
Moving now to supervisor comments. Sure, I'll mention last Friday we had. I'll just mention that our.
I'll just mention that Denise is going to be talking about the opening of Heritage Center, which I call
the bar. Other than that. You better say everything I was going to say.
And other than that, I appreciate moving forward with putting together a reorganization committee. I
have literally for hours and hours every day, every day, been talking to people, organizations, large
businesses in Monroe County. Just met with a couple people today.
They're leaders of our community and I'm talking about the county and I'm getting so much positive feedback.
I know it was going to come to an end sooner or later that where we'd have a tussle on the desktop,
there's going to be a lot of sausage making in the future. So every once while there'll be
blood and guts on your feet and so it's going to be hard work but I am telling you if anybody wants
to know why we're doing this I can give them the positive but really they really need to know the story
of what's going to happen if we don't do this because it's not a good it's not a good narrative and
I think the reason we're going to do it is so positive that
It'll be a new day for our township, which includes Ellisville, and I'm really excited about being a
part of it, and all I wanna do is facilitate it so it can get voted on and let the voters decide this
eventually. Okay, anything else? Chief? Chief? Kip? Okay, now it's my turn.
Last Friday, we had the grand opening slash ribbon cutting of the Heritage Center. This was for our
stakeholders, grant people, and the occupancy load wasn't enough for employees to be there at the same
time. So this Friday, we're hosting the employees to go in and see it and have lunch, except they won't
hear any speeches.
But it turned out to be a very nice event. We furnished lunch, and we had about 52 people attending,
and William spoke at it, and that's probably four or five other mics spoke. I spoke, Shelly Yoder spoke,
and it was just a nice event, so we'll be opening on the 15th for the public to start using it. Did
I cover everything?
So we'll try to get something on the website soon enough about the rules, when you can rent, when you
can be there without renting, and how often it'll be open Monday through Friday, and what the hours
are. We worked through some of that. Actually, I wasn't there. We didn't.
You didn't do it. So we're working through that and we'll be ready by December 15th to open this up.
I've had a lot of people call me and ask when they can rent it for weddings, graduation, just all kinds
of different things, so. So let me ask you a question if I can. Is this, the rules regarding it going
to be different from the other shelter houses that the Parks Board manages? Yeah, it will. It'll be
a lot more extensive.
The venue is fabulous. The work that's put into this and the workmanship and the narrative that Denise
provided to get us the original grant, it is actually exactly what we said we were going to do. The
amenities that we'll be adding onto and around the community center, heritage center,
We'll go on forever. So at the meeting or at the opening, I said, we'll always only be 99% done with
it because we'll just keep adding to it until it's a fabulous part. And I especially want to mention
that the Stewart family was there. And one of the gentlemen, Paul Stewart, he spoke and he literally
in the 50s and 60s worked in the barn and he had the
Tell him what he did in the board. Tell him. Well, he had the duties of keeping it clean and without
a manure smell. So I mean, the fact that a family owned that and worked it as a farm all these years
and now it's turned into a park is wonderful. The Stewart family, I mean, it goes beyond what you can
imagine. They're just so glad that this is how they're
property turned out and so it was really a good event and I think I'm hoping the Fall Festival integrates
it into their Fall Festival next year and anybody that wants to see it will be able to go in,
utilize it. Got a canasta club or the Boy Scouts or whatever during the day. It'll be utilized for that.
It'll be utilized for the arts and hopefully I see a band playing on it sooner than later. You realize
that out of the
50 people that are actually watching this meeting right now, only about three of them know what Canasta
actually is, right? My mom played Canasta. I'm just saying. I did want to finish telling Paul Stewart's
story. So he said in the summer, all of his friends would be driving up and down the road. And there,
his dad had him shoveling manure. And they would drive by and say, hey, and he was so embarrassed, he said.
But I did want to, and when I spoke, I think William was there, but I did want to thank all of the council
for allowing the grant to be written in the funds for the match used, and I hope you get a chance to
go in. I do have a quick question, something that I just loved, my grandson who was there loved hearing
it, couldn't believe it. How much, those stone walls, how many million, is it a million? We built a
wall, it's an accent wall, and it's part of,
some of the things we have planned in the future out of Bybee Stone. It was rough stone that was left
over from some of their projects. And they basically donated to us. And then Stone Belt Trucking basically
donated their time to haul it back and forth. And it's a million pounds of stone, our own crews prepped,
and set each stone and each stone had a place it needed to go. So there's another, I mean... Well, we
paid him, but yeah, Donald's Crane took care of it. But we moved a million pounds of stone to make that.
And we did it in-house and we only spent $15,000 on that wall. And I know that there's some other walls
in the vicinity that costs 10 times that much. Maybe. So I'll just say one last thing. It is what the
town's about. It represents our heritage and it represents, as we move forward, it's kind of
how we want to be in the future of providing gathering places and places that people can take their
kids down. This park is actually going to be a vaccine for using
blue screens and Internet this might actually get him out of the house and make him come down and play
in the creek so we think this might change the whole use of Internet Internet might be out gone by the
in 10 years after this park open so I don't I don't know might be going out on a limb on that one.
Yes sir, one thing. I am preparing for the next meeting to have the council approve the annual meeting
list for all the boards and I wanted to ask the council's pleasure if it was to keep the same traditional
second and fourth Mondays for the council meetings. Yeah? I say yeah. Staying at 6.30? Yeah. It works.
Okay, I'll have it prepared for the next meeting. Thank you. Okay. Council comments? None?
Seeing no other business for the council, we're adjourned.