WEBVTT 00:00:01.218 --> 00:00:08.182 - Calling the Electoral Town Council meeting for July 14th to order. Marshall, do you have a prayer? I 00:00:08.182 --> 00:00:15.215 - have my father. Again, we come before you and ask you to bless this little town, bless the employees, 00:00:15.215 --> 00:00:22.178 - keep them safe. We ask you to bless the board members tonight as they make the decision that affects 00:00:22.178 --> 00:00:29.280 - us. We ask these things in Jesus' name. Amen. Thank you. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:30.590 - States of America. 00:00:30.914 --> 00:00:41.067 - and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice 00:00:41.067 --> 00:00:51.121 - for all. Okay, roll call please. Scott Obram, Dan Swofford, William Ellis. Here. Trevor Sager. Here. 00:00:51.121 --> 00:00:56.894 - Pamela Samples. Here. Okay, have the approval of minutes. 00:00:57.634 --> 00:01:07.712 - 6, 22, 26. Any changes or council comments? Make a motion to approve the minutes from 6, 22, 2026. Second. 00:01:07.712 --> 00:01:17.320 - All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Or extension to none? Passes. Action to pay accounts, payable 00:01:17.320 --> 00:01:26.174 - vouchers and payroll vouchers. So moved. Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? 00:01:27.650 --> 00:01:35.207 - Any abstentions? Seeing none. First resolution, we got resolution, actually, I'm gonna pause and let 00:01:35.207 --> 00:01:43.287 - the town council presidents, okay, I'll go on. All right. Resolution 12-2026 of the Ellsville Town Council, 00:01:43.287 --> 00:01:50.919 - approving the annexation of territory located at 5326 West Woodyard Road and 5328 West Woodyard Road. 00:01:50.919 --> 00:01:57.054 - Is that you, Denise, or who has that? Okay. At the Ellsville Planning Commission, 00:01:57.250 --> 00:02:04.844 - Last Thursday, the plan commission voted unanimously to send the annexation of what we're calling the 00:02:04.844 --> 00:02:12.662 - rary property to the town council with a recommendation that the annexation be approved. Because there's 00:02:12.662 --> 00:02:20.406 - a reorganization in progress under the Indiana Code, as I'm interpreting it, the annexation cannot take 00:02:20.406 --> 00:02:25.022 - place unless the reorganizing entities both pass a resolution 00:02:25.218 --> 00:02:33.435 - approving the annexation of territory. So that is step one here tonight. A similar resolution has been 00:02:33.435 --> 00:02:42.050 - prepared and sent to the Richland Township Board, and if the board approves it, it will come back hopefully 00:02:42.050 --> 00:02:50.267 - at the next town council meeting, the second meeting in July, for approval of the annexation ordinance 00:02:50.267 --> 00:02:54.974 - and the fiscal plan. So what are we doing with it tonight? 00:02:55.266 --> 00:03:05.272 - Okay, questions from Council? Just if the petitioner, if they're here, if they want to speak to it or 00:03:05.272 --> 00:03:15.573 - not, that's all. Mr. Eyre, anything? If you have any questions. Seeing no questions, back to the Council 00:03:15.573 --> 00:03:20.478 - for action. I'll move to approve ordinance, yeah. 00:03:20.578 --> 00:03:27.658 - How do we word the starlet to approve it, to send it, or just approve it? Approve resolution 1226. Okay, 00:03:27.658 --> 00:03:34.873 - move to approve resolution 1226, the Aliceville Town Council approving the annexation of territory located 00:03:34.873 --> 00:03:42.088 - 5326 Westwood Yard Road and 5328 Westwood Yard Road. Second. Motion second, protocol please. Scott Oldham? 00:03:42.088 --> 00:03:47.550 - Yes. William Ellis? Yes. Trevor Sager? Yes. Pamela Samples? Yes. Motion carried. 00:03:47.842 --> 00:03:56.737 - Tonight, there are two ordinances on first reading, the first of which is Ordinance 26-10, an ordinance 00:03:56.737 --> 00:04:05.290 - to amend Chapter 73, Schedule 2 of the Elstville Town Code, to add additional stop intersections. I 00:04:05.290 --> 00:04:13.758 - asked R to put this ordinance together. The new harm and harm subdivision actually intersects with 00:04:15.042 --> 00:04:23.271 - South Ridge Springs Lane and North Sycamore Drive. At the present moment, North Wallace Harmon Way is 00:04:23.271 --> 00:04:31.420 - still a private road. It does have a stop sign at it for the construction and what public is already 00:04:31.420 --> 00:04:39.488 - either living there or going in and out. And I'm requesting to make that whole center intersection, 00:04:39.488 --> 00:04:44.894 - even though that side's not brought in yet, I guess you could say, 00:04:45.122 --> 00:04:53.271 - an all-way stop is what they call it nowadays not three-way and make it more safe for the school upcoming 00:04:53.271 --> 00:05:01.496 - school year so and I'm gonna I'm gonna put advanced signs in advance for stops so people can pay attention 00:05:01.496 --> 00:05:09.260 - to that okay questions council okay it's an order it's on first reading so it'd be coming back to us 00:05:09.260 --> 00:05:14.718 - for a second reading next time the next ordinance this evening is 26th 00:05:15.202 --> 00:05:21.554 - 2026-11, the wholesale water cost tracker orders to change the water rates by the Eldsville Municipal 00:05:21.554 --> 00:05:28.031 - Water Utility. So you probably read in the newspaper the City of Bloomington Utilities has successfully 00:05:28.031 --> 00:05:34.632 - petitioned the IURC for a rate increase and because the town buys its water from the City of Bloomington, 00:05:34.632 --> 00:05:41.047 - that unfortunately means that the town needs to raise its rates and it has contracted with Baker Tilly 00:05:41.047 --> 00:05:43.102 - to file a petition with the IURC 00:05:43.202 --> 00:05:50.680 - to request a tracker, which is 99 cents per thousand gallons, and that is further down on the agenda. 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:58.010 - If the town council approves that petition, then the town will petition the IURC for a tracker. And 00:05:58.010 --> 00:06:05.635 - what is immediately before the council is a proposed ordinance that will hopefully come back for public 00:06:05.635 --> 00:06:11.646 - hearing at the second meeting in July for passage of the water tracker ordinance. 00:06:11.906 --> 00:06:19.568 - So I know 99 cents per thousand gallons doesn't sound like much, but last year the town purchased, the 00:06:19.568 --> 00:06:27.527 - cost to the town to purchase water from the City of Bloomington Utilities was just over a million dollars, 00:06:27.527 --> 00:06:35.413 - and with the new CBU rates, the cost will now be $1,353,000 and some change. So it's not an insubstantial 00:06:35.413 --> 00:06:41.438 - increase, but I just want to make it clear that the town is not actually raising 00:06:42.018 --> 00:06:48.392 - its rates for any other reason other than the tracker. Two years ago, the town did hire Baker-Tilley 00:06:48.392 --> 00:06:54.892 - to prepare a report. It raised its rates in two phases. Phase two went into effect of April last year, 00:06:54.892 --> 00:07:01.518 - and those charges remain in effect. But the whole point of this ordinance is just to add to those rates, 00:07:01.518 --> 00:07:08.207 - if that makes sense, for the water tracker. This is just because our baseline rate went up, so everything 00:07:08.207 --> 00:07:09.406 - else has to go up? 00:07:10.946 --> 00:07:17.877 - we're not taking any extra money from this. Correct. All right. You're just covering the cost to purchase 00:07:17.877 --> 00:07:24.612 - it from city of Bloomington. Otherwise we'd be losing based on last year about three hundred K. Right. 00:07:24.612 --> 00:07:31.609 - Are there questions on this even though it's on first reading or Mike's reading you or Jeff won't explain. 00:07:31.609 --> 00:07:38.148 - I think you said maintain the rates that we established in twenty twenty four so we can do the work 00:07:38.148 --> 00:07:40.894 - that was projected and maintain our own M 00:07:41.250 --> 00:07:47.268 - Expenses and without without providing us this tracker Are you know we can lose twenty five thirty thousand 00:07:47.268 --> 00:07:52.896 - dollars a month? Yeah, it's not like we're making a profit on this guys. No. No, it's it's penny for 00:07:52.896 --> 00:07:58.524 - penny. Yeah, okay All right. Well that will again come back to us on their next meeting because this 00:07:58.524 --> 00:08:04.096 - is an ordinance on first reading There are no ordinances on second reading this evening There is no 00:08:04.096 --> 00:08:09.669 - old business under new businesses again the town of belts for water tracking factor to the increase 00:08:09.669 --> 00:08:11.006 - from city of Wilmington 00:08:11.106 --> 00:08:20.365 - Is there anything further to add? Nothing other than I ask that the town council approve the petition 00:08:20.365 --> 00:08:29.805 - to be filed with the IURC. Okay, questions from council? Anybody from the public want to speak to that? 00:08:29.805 --> 00:08:40.062 - And back to council for action. Make a motion to approve the petition to the IURC for the water tracking factor. 00:08:40.290 --> 00:08:48.799 - Do the increase from the city of Bloomington motion second. Yes. William Ellis. Yes. Trevor Sager. Yes. 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:56.980 - Pamela samples. Yes. Motion. There is no other new business and I want the privilege of the Florida 00:08:56.980 --> 00:09:02.462 - and having business for the council not part of our normal agenda. 00:09:26.754 --> 00:09:33.406 - Hello, can you hear me? Good to go. My name's Tom Orman, and I'm here to talk about a UTV ordinance. 00:09:33.406 --> 00:09:39.992 - Me and these two gentlemen behind me were the reasons we got one passed in Monroe County. We worked 00:09:39.992 --> 00:09:46.776 - with the Department of Transportation. We worked very closely with Mike Braun's office. We worked with 00:09:46.776 --> 00:09:53.362 - Jeff Cockrell, and we worked with the commissioners. Every county around us has UTV ordinances, and 00:09:53.362 --> 00:09:56.062 - Ellitsville is one to expand its limits. 00:09:56.290 --> 00:10:03.133 - My particular, where I live, I worked hard to get this ordinance. This right would be taken away from 00:10:03.133 --> 00:10:09.842 - me. So 88 counties of the 92 in the state of Indiana have UTV ordinances. And they're safe. They've 00:10:09.842 --> 00:10:16.886 - got roll cages. They've got seat belts. My particular unit, you can't drive over 15 miles an hour unless 00:10:16.886 --> 00:10:23.326 - you have a seat belt or it's reduced speed. I understand Highway 46 is not the place for these. 00:10:24.546 --> 00:10:30.639 - motorcycle versus UTV. If I'm driving down McNeely Road, 35 miles an hour and a deer hits me, I'm on 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:36.793 - a motorcycle. With a helmet or without a helmet? It's probably not going to be good. But if I'm in my 00:10:36.793 --> 00:10:42.947 - UTV that has a metal bar, roll cage, and seat belts, the outcome's going to be a lot different. A lot 00:10:42.947 --> 00:10:49.101 - of people want to talk about safety, so we'll talk about safety. I was driving down Union Valley Road 00:10:49.101 --> 00:10:53.022 - last week, bicycle. At one point, I was going six miles an hour. 00:10:53.858 --> 00:11:00.191 - That's dangerous. These things aren't. They have registrations, they have insurance, you have to have 00:11:00.191 --> 00:11:06.524 - proof of all that. I just don't want to see with this reorganization a lot of people not want to come 00:11:06.524 --> 00:11:13.043 - to this community that have the rights out in Monroe County at this time. We're a wealth of information. 00:11:13.043 --> 00:11:19.314 - We've done a lot of homework on these things. So we would work with the council if they would choose 00:11:19.314 --> 00:11:22.046 - that they would want to do that. Let's see. 00:11:22.722 --> 00:11:29.006 - I guess that's it. I just, this is going to affect me. I am pro-Wellitsville. I am next in Smith bike 00:11:29.006 --> 00:11:35.290 - crossing down here, we're urban areas and that strip mall because of Monroe County standards. I don't 00:11:35.290 --> 00:11:41.512 - want things taken away from us that we worked hard to get. So I think it'd be very beneficial if you 00:11:41.512 --> 00:11:43.422 - guys take a hard look at this. 00:11:51.394 --> 00:12:03.717 - Make sure you sign in and give us your name, please. All right, thanks for letting me come up here and 00:12:03.717 --> 00:12:15.681 - speak and kind of give you guys a little bit more insight of how hard it was for us to get the work 00:12:15.681 --> 00:12:19.390 - that's done in Merrill County. 00:12:20.546 --> 00:12:29.057 - I worked diligently with the commissioners, the attorneys, all local authorities, Department 00:12:29.057 --> 00:12:38.392 - of Transportation, also working with Mike Braun's office. Worked with a lot of other individuals that 00:12:38.392 --> 00:12:48.275 - was involved in seven or nine different counties to get the ordinances passed. I myself, I've been involved 00:12:48.275 --> 00:12:50.014 - in UTV since 2009. 00:12:51.138 --> 00:13:01.246 - So not only do I have a shop that I work on them, I install turn signal kits, all kinds of safety devices, 00:13:01.246 --> 00:13:10.976 - harnesses, hand controls for the handicap. So pretty much, I think a lot of people aren't aware of how 00:13:10.976 --> 00:13:20.990 - they have evolved in the last 20 years as far as safety. Believe it or not, it's one of the only vehicles 00:13:21.346 --> 00:13:28.868 - that's allowed on our roadways through the Department of Transportation that actually has a ROPS program 00:13:28.868 --> 00:13:36.104 - in place. And that's mandated by the federal government, and it's a rollover protection system. Your 00:13:36.104 --> 00:13:43.483 - daily car doesn't have that. As Tom was stating, there's a lot of other safety factors played into it. 00:13:43.483 --> 00:13:49.214 - They've increased the size of these machines. They're not really small anymore. 00:13:49.890 --> 00:13:57.335 - greatly changed and a lot of abilities and stability and things that everybody was always against in 00:13:57.335 --> 00:14:04.705 - the past and I think the main thing is we all have to evolve as you guys all know as county council 00:14:04.705 --> 00:14:12.150 - members you have to evolve as times change and as things change we all have to accept it and I think 00:14:12.150 --> 00:14:19.742 - that was the one reason we did get it past Monroe County through the commissioner's office was because 00:14:20.418 --> 00:14:28.273 - They took an interest in it. A couple of the council members actually went and rode in them. And they 00:14:28.273 --> 00:14:36.127 - were really surprised. And I think that that was the overwhelming support that we got from them, that 00:14:36.127 --> 00:14:43.982 - the safety is there. There's obviously things that we agree with and things we don't agree with. Some 00:14:43.982 --> 00:14:50.142 - of the other machines and ATVs and golf carts and so on and so forth, we can't. 00:14:51.586 --> 00:14:59.192 - I can't say good or bad towards them because I'm not here to adjudicate for them. I'm here for just 00:14:59.192 --> 00:15:07.331 - the UTV use and my knowledge and the safety that I think that they can provide. And it gives the taxpayers 00:15:07.331 --> 00:15:15.013 - and the people the opportunity to enjoy our great area that we live in. Right. I mean we live in one 00:15:15.013 --> 00:15:21.022 - of the most beautiful places there are. And I go all over the country to these 00:15:21.282 --> 00:15:30.936 - different states and I ride in these ride parks. I mean, West Virginia, they allow you to go down the 00:15:30.936 --> 00:15:40.684 - interstate. Tennessee, you can drive anywhere you want. They actually recommend you to do it. And it's 00:15:40.684 --> 00:15:50.622 - the revenue that's generated from the UTVs in several states is what funds a lot of the help for the DNR 00:15:51.490 --> 00:16:00.291 - And like the TWRA in Tennessee, I mean, they generate millions of dollars a year from this. And I'm 00:16:00.291 --> 00:16:09.268 - currently working with Mike Braun's office and have been for a while, hopefully to expand Indiana and 00:16:09.268 --> 00:16:18.422 - get us on board with a lot of these surrounding states that generate a lot of revenue. And it will open 00:16:18.422 --> 00:16:20.446 - the doors for a lot of 00:16:20.834 --> 00:16:27.987 - revenue for us, I think, here. But our main thing is it is safety. And I'm a firm believer in that. 00:16:27.987 --> 00:16:35.141 - And I think the turn signals and the ordinance that they put into place is a pretty good fit. And I 00:16:35.141 --> 00:16:42.437 - appreciate you guys' time. Let me explain it to you. If you have any more questions, you're more than 00:16:42.437 --> 00:16:49.662 - able to get a hold of me at any time. I can give you any more additional information you might need. 00:16:50.978 --> 00:16:58.463 - and hopefully we can get an ordinance done. Sure. Are you asking for a similar ordinance as what Monroe 00:16:58.463 --> 00:17:05.948 - County? I think so. I think Monroe County put together a good ordinance. We worked with Jeff Cockerill, 00:17:05.948 --> 00:17:13.289 - the county attorney. They were very open to it, and the dialogue was good. We worked with each other, 00:17:13.289 --> 00:17:19.838 - and we found a pretty good fit. Obviously, Monroe County's a little more stern than a lot. 00:17:20.322 --> 00:17:27.535 - So that's one of the issues that I think the state house is kind of wondering about because our ordinances 00:17:27.535 --> 00:17:34.478 - here are stricter than the surrounding counties around us. Is that going to cause a problem for people 00:17:34.478 --> 00:17:41.218 - that actually cross the county line and come over here if they don't have, you know what I mean? So 00:17:41.218 --> 00:17:48.094 - I think it's a pretty good ordinance. I think it's a little more stern than what a lot of them I see. 00:18:00.610 --> 00:18:08.917 - I do not know. I don't think so, but I can check on that for you. Just to answer your question, they 00:18:08.917 --> 00:18:17.306 - do require any side-by-side to be registered at the date of the purchase. Now, they just started that 00:18:17.306 --> 00:18:26.846 - recently, a couple years ago. So the state is receiving money for the registrations. That's not my question at all. 00:18:27.170 --> 00:18:34.257 - It's more of the wheel tax thing. If we could get some clarification on that. Sure. Thanks. Yeah. And 00:18:34.257 --> 00:18:41.343 - I think I did. I did talk to the governor's office about that. That's whenever I reached out and I've 00:18:41.343 --> 00:18:48.569 - got with the Indian Department of Transportation. Yep. So whenever you maybe do some digging into that, 00:18:48.569 --> 00:18:55.586 - you'll find out that only the Indiana Department of Transportation, NDOT, is the ones that puts that 00:18:55.586 --> 00:18:56.350 - guideline. 00:18:56.994 --> 00:19:05.311 - So for the wheel tags and so on and so forth, that's like, when I started this two years ago, it took 00:19:05.311 --> 00:19:13.710 - me two years and 19 days to get that ordinance passed. When I did start that, it was a lot of research 00:19:13.710 --> 00:19:21.864 - and going back and forth and I was always told, show me it's not where it is illegal to write these 00:19:21.864 --> 00:19:23.902 - because they've evolved. 00:19:24.226 --> 00:19:31.764 - So there was never an ordinance even in Monroe County. You couldn't operate one of these vehicles because 00:19:31.764 --> 00:19:39.088 - it was based on the old ordinance. So that was the hardest part because we couldn't amend an ordinance 00:19:39.088 --> 00:19:46.412 - that didn't exist. And so that was the main question with the tax and the stuff that I brought up with 00:19:46.412 --> 00:19:52.030 - the Department of Transportation. So we may just have to update our ordinance. 00:19:53.090 --> 00:20:00.083 - Yeah, that was an important question. And also, we have most all UTV ordinances of the 88 counties, 00:20:00.083 --> 00:20:07.356 - if that's helpful. The 88 of the 92 counties in the state of Indiana do does have an ordinance. So that 00:20:07.356 --> 00:20:14.629 - was a very important question. Why is the state of Indiana? Why officer pulls you over? Let me see your 00:20:14.629 --> 00:20:22.462 - registration proof insurance. Why? It's illegal. Why even asking for that? That's that's an important question. 00:20:22.722 --> 00:20:41.351 - Right? Because they are. They are a registered vehicle through the state of Indiana. All right. 00:20:41.351 --> 00:20:52.606 - Thank you. Thank you. I'd like to talk a little bit about 00:20:53.282 --> 00:21:01.084 - how they are really beneficial to a lot of municipalities. Bloomington's got them. They use them all 00:21:01.084 --> 00:21:09.041 - over downtown to navigate around in and out tight spots. IU uses them like crazy on campus because you 00:21:09.041 --> 00:21:16.843 - can't take a full-size truck and go park it downtown at some of these little big parking spots. They 00:21:16.843 --> 00:21:21.246 - use them for a lot of snow removal in the winter because 00:21:21.602 --> 00:21:27.491 - You can loop in and out and get in and out of a little tight spot that you can't get a big four-wheel 00:21:27.491 --> 00:21:33.264 - drive truck turned around in. I've used mine a lot for a lot of storms. I mean, you guys know, they 00:21:33.264 --> 00:21:38.749 - say the tornado alley, everything's shifting. We've seen to get a lot more storms here lately. 00:21:38.749 --> 00:21:44.984 - Cleaning up, helping to get people. The fire departments, they have them. They use them like crazy whenever 00:21:44.984 --> 00:21:50.238 - they need to, whenever you can't get them where a truck goes. They're a lighter footprint. 00:21:50.722 --> 00:21:57.429 - You know, if a tree's down and you've got to go around to get somebody to help them, you're not going 00:21:57.429 --> 00:22:04.136 - to tear the tar out of somebody's yard. You're not going to get stuck. You're not going to run it up. 00:22:04.136 --> 00:22:10.778 - You can navigate around and get to somebody. We've used them in a lot of scenarios like that, mainly 00:22:10.778 --> 00:22:17.682 - for the storms and snow removal is a big thing. I mean, the one I've got is about the size, really close 00:22:17.682 --> 00:22:20.510 - to a Ford Ranger, just a hair bit smaller. 00:22:21.122 --> 00:22:28.058 - And I can push an eight foot blade as good as my one ton full drive. But I can get in and out of a driveway. 00:22:28.058 --> 00:22:34.486 - I don't tear your driveway up. I don't tear your landscaping up whenever I drive over or just barely 00:22:34.486 --> 00:22:40.849 - get off the edge because you get six inches of snow and it's hard to tell where stuff is. I mean, I 00:22:40.849 --> 00:22:47.531 - use them for work all the time and I love them. And my biggest fear is if you guys do get the annexation 00:22:47.531 --> 00:22:49.822 - done, which I think would be great, 00:22:50.530 --> 00:22:57.267 - that would just really cut down on what we could do and where we could do it. And that would be one 00:22:57.267 --> 00:23:04.004 - of my biggest concerns. Because I've got property that that annexation will include. So therefore I 00:23:04.004 --> 00:23:10.741 - wouldn't be allowed to drive it to or from that property at that point in time. So that's just some 00:23:10.741 --> 00:23:17.546 - of the ways that we use them, that it benefits us, lighter footprint, get in and out without tearing 00:23:17.546 --> 00:23:20.510 - stuff up. And they're really beneficial for 00:23:20.610 --> 00:23:26.813 - a lot of small businesses doing stuff around here, and even the municipalities, I could see where they 00:23:26.813 --> 00:23:32.896 - could really benefit from it. And I agree with Tom, 46, absolutely not, not the place for it. But if 00:23:32.896 --> 00:23:39.040 - I live on the west side of Monroe County, and I want to go north to Morgan County, I've either got to 00:23:39.040 --> 00:23:45.183 - go to County Line, or I've got to go dang near around the south side of Bloomington to go out to come 00:23:45.183 --> 00:23:50.302 - back up the north side to get to Martinsville. Because between Bloomington and this, 00:23:51.170 --> 00:23:57.433 - hardly know where I can get through other than going all the way out to the county line. So I think 00:23:57.433 --> 00:24:03.884 - that I'd really like to see Bloomington adopt the ordinance or put a place in a very similar ordinance 00:24:03.884 --> 00:24:10.147 - to what they have. You know, even if there's some areas you want to restrict or some roads that you 00:24:10.147 --> 00:24:16.410 - want to, you know, say it's okay and say it's not okay. I just like voice my opinion and appreciate 00:24:16.410 --> 00:24:19.166 - your guys' time. All right. Thank you, sir. 00:24:24.706 --> 00:24:32.646 - Any questions or comments? Well, I would just say that under no circumstances do I want to be more restricted 00:24:32.646 --> 00:24:39.937 - than the county, so I'm very supportive of some type of ordinance. We've not seen one yet, but I can 00:24:39.937 --> 00:24:47.155 - tell you no matter what we do, it's not going to take two and a half years. Ellisville doesn't drag 00:24:47.155 --> 00:24:54.590 - their feet on common sense stuff. Thank you. Is this the open discussion part of this? Yeah, go ahead. 00:24:55.490 --> 00:25:03.207 - I guess one thing that I'm concerned about is I'm seeing on Facebook and hearing a lot of things about 00:25:03.207 --> 00:25:10.923 - ORVs, UTVs, heading to their favorite ice cream shop on State Road 46. Like these gentlemen just said, 00:25:10.923 --> 00:25:18.790 - it's state law that you can't have it out on state highways. So I guess that's my biggest concern. State 00:25:18.790 --> 00:25:22.910 - Road 46 is such a major vein within our community that 00:25:24.354 --> 00:25:31.392 - We're gonna have some issues out there. Yeah, they're gonna be ticketed toed. Yeah, and the question 00:25:31.392 --> 00:25:38.570 - is crossing over 46, because you're technically on 46. So if you have a crash at Union Valley, no, no, 00:25:38.570 --> 00:25:45.539 - we're kind of done for a minute, okay? My problem is how we get you across the roadways, because if 00:25:45.539 --> 00:25:52.995 - you get an intersection, you're on 46, and you're not allowed to be on 46. So that's, I think an ordinance 00:25:52.995 --> 00:25:54.110 - is appropriate, 00:25:54.242 --> 00:26:00.278 - just how we structure it to make sure that we're watching the second, third, fourth order effects. 00:26:00.278 --> 00:26:06.436 - And that's, I think, the bigger issue than if we need an ordinance or not. It's how do you structure 00:26:06.436 --> 00:26:12.534 - it so that it's useful as opposed to people go, oh, well, they've got an ordinance. I can cross 46. 00:26:12.534 --> 00:26:18.814 - I can go to Jiffy Tree. Nope, you can't. That's not our doing. And what I don't want to get is someone 00:26:18.814 --> 00:26:20.094 - inadvertently caught 00:26:20.578 --> 00:26:26.919 - in a legal problem because they've crossed 46 and got an accident at the intersection, that is State 00:26:26.919 --> 00:26:33.512 - Road 46. You may not have it there according to state law. So who does that make automatically at fault? 00:26:33.512 --> 00:26:39.916 - You can't be there. And I do know, and this is something I'm going to interrupt you, I do know in the 00:26:39.916 --> 00:26:46.446 - Indiana State guide line, you can cross any state highway in the state of Indiana at a 90 degree angle. 00:26:46.446 --> 00:26:47.262 - Well, again, 00:26:47.746 --> 00:26:53.826 - The guidelines are not necessarily a law at this point. Now, again, there's some questions as to whether 00:26:53.826 --> 00:26:59.675 - or not it's interpreted as the law. But I don't think that where I'm going is I don't think it's our 00:26:59.675 --> 00:27:05.928 - purview to regulate that. What I think is I don't want to open it up to everybody assumes because Ellsfield 00:27:05.928 --> 00:27:11.777 - did it, everything is now in play. That's a problem for whoever. But what I don't want to do is give 00:27:11.777 --> 00:27:16.062 - people this false sense of, yeah, go wherever you want. That's a problem. 00:27:20.738 --> 00:27:27.693 - Under D, it says a recreation vehicle, UTV may cross a prohibited roadway at a right angle when the 00:27:27.693 --> 00:27:34.648 - operation can be done safely. So it's kind of. Yeah, it's kind of nevertheless, can be done safely. 00:27:34.648 --> 00:27:41.881 - Again, I think we entertained something, guys. I don't know exactly how it's worded, and I want to make 00:27:41.881 --> 00:27:48.905 - sure that we take second, third, fourth order effects involved here. Yeah, we're going to, I'd like, 00:27:48.905 --> 00:27:50.366 - I mean, I would like 00:27:50.786 --> 00:27:56.291 - a couple of meetings with some department heads before we shape this. I mean, I think about the point 00:27:56.291 --> 00:28:01.688 - is, OK, bikes are allowed in certain areas. They're not necessarily allowed in 46, so what happens? 00:28:01.688 --> 00:28:07.085 - What I don't want to see is a vehicle that only is capable of running 15 miles an hour now clogging 00:28:07.085 --> 00:28:12.644 - up a street where it's 30, 35, 40 miles an hour. On the other hand, some of these vehicles are capable 00:28:12.644 --> 00:28:18.095 - of well in excess of 60, 70, 80 miles an hour. And a lot of them are running without any type of tag 00:28:18.095 --> 00:28:19.390 - or anything else on it. 00:28:20.290 --> 00:28:26.108 - I think we're open to it, is what I'm trying to say. I just think we don't want to rush into something 00:28:26.108 --> 00:28:31.870 - that we regret doing, safety-wise, because our citizens are our biggest concern, right? So it's going 00:28:31.870 --> 00:28:37.631 - to take a few conversations with some of these folks sitting up here to bring you the best version of 00:28:37.631 --> 00:28:43.562 - the ordinance we can. We do appreciate that. And that's what I did, working with the Highway Department. 00:28:43.562 --> 00:28:47.742 - I worked diligently with the Highway Department and the Traffic Division. 00:28:48.354 --> 00:28:58.260 - And in doing so, we came up with those disputes and where we come to an agreement, and it was that very 00:28:58.260 --> 00:29:08.261 - same thing you just expressed. So basically, we're not advocating for the golf carts, the four-wheelers. 00:29:08.261 --> 00:29:17.214 - That's a totally different scenario. And in our ordinance that we got done at General County, 00:29:17.378 --> 00:29:23.878 - I'm sure we can get you guys coffee for sure. Okay. But it does have to, you'd have to be able to exceed 00:29:23.878 --> 00:29:30.254 - 35 mile an hour. The vehicle has to exceed it. So there's a width requirement. And if you read through 00:29:30.254 --> 00:29:36.506 - there, it's pretty, I mean, I'll just be blunt. There's some things on here that aren't enforceable. 00:29:36.506 --> 00:29:43.005 - You know, it has to have no more than, can't be more than 2,500 pounds. No one's going to come out there 00:29:43.005 --> 00:29:43.934 - and weigh you. 00:29:44.898 --> 00:29:49.793 - You know, has to be able to go 35 miles an hour. No one's going to set up a radar station to make sure 00:29:49.793 --> 00:29:54.593 - you can go 36. You know, again, so it's nice to have on paper, but that's that second, third, fourth 00:29:54.593 --> 00:29:59.582 - order effect I'm talking about is that if people hear this without the proper preparation and the proper 00:29:59.582 --> 00:30:04.335 - notice, they're going to think, well, I've got a golf cart and I'm going to go, no, that's not what 00:30:04.335 --> 00:30:09.182 - this is about at all. So there's got to have to be a lot of care and caution as to how we craft this. 00:30:09.730 --> 00:30:15.280 - And again, I'm not trying to throw any type of criticism at the county or not. They did what they did 00:30:15.280 --> 00:30:20.830 - for a reason. But the practicality of that reason, really, I don't see putting anybody on the side of 00:30:20.830 --> 00:30:26.380 - the road and weighing the thing just to see it's two pounds under the limit and give you an ordinance 00:30:26.380 --> 00:30:31.821 - ticket. That makes no sense. So again, I think it's about crafting and about messaging to make sure 00:30:31.821 --> 00:30:37.262 - we get it right the first time and don't have to keep, again, I see no need for something like that 00:30:37.262 --> 00:30:39.710 - in there where no one's ever gonna check it. 00:30:44.450 --> 00:30:51.273 - I don't know that anybody's anticipating that. What I'm telling you is we're trying to craft something 00:30:51.273 --> 00:30:57.963 - that makes sense without a lot of things in there that it's like saying the inside of the tubing has 00:30:57.963 --> 00:31:04.653 - got to be painted blue. No one's ever going to check it. I agree. That's why I said it's always good 00:31:04.653 --> 00:31:06.110 - to have another view. 00:31:11.458 --> 00:31:18.694 - And it wouldn't be even if it weren't just for those issues, Scott said. I mean, this Ellisville is 00:31:18.694 --> 00:31:26.147 - a little, I mean, we would want to tailor it to our use and our traffic patterns here. So I mean, it's 00:31:26.147 --> 00:31:33.456 - good for the county ordinance, but we couldn't just say we adopt this. They're just, I mean, no way. 00:31:33.456 --> 00:31:41.054 - So this really just came up a week and a half, two weeks ago. So give us some time to discuss it, but I, 00:31:41.730 --> 00:31:47.327 - I'm pretty confident in saying, at least from my point of view, this should not be a question that's 00:31:47.327 --> 00:31:53.036 - still open by the time the reorganization vote happens. You'll have some clarity. Would you not agree, 00:31:53.036 --> 00:31:58.966 - hopefully? Yeah. Again, I don't mean to cast dispersions on what the county did. I just am reading through 00:31:58.966 --> 00:32:04.508 - this. There's a lot of things, like I said, we're never going to check. So why are we putting it in 00:32:04.508 --> 00:32:09.662 - our own? No, I agree. So that's the question. It's not so much are we going to do something. 00:32:10.466 --> 00:32:16.291 - What are we actually going to do? I just don't want them to think we're, you know. Some people, they're 00:32:16.291 --> 00:32:22.004 - skeptical, bait and switch. Hey, we'll fix it later. Later's not next year, two years later. Probably 00:32:22.004 --> 00:32:27.772 - first of the month. Yeah. Somewhere in that neighborhood. This is our first meeting since, this is the 00:32:27.772 --> 00:32:33.429 - first time we've discussed it really as a council. Do you want to have some conversations with these 00:32:33.429 --> 00:32:39.142 - folks and kind of see where we're going with it? Whoever. Yeah. I mean, you're kind of the one's most 00:32:39.142 --> 00:32:40.318 - knowledgeable. Yeah. 00:32:40.706 --> 00:32:51.796 - Let me, yeah, give me some time on it. But yes, we will have something out. I do have a personal statement 00:32:51.796 --> 00:33:02.472 - I'd like to do. Go ahead. As a proud owner of a UTV and an ATV and a golf cart. Does she know you have 00:33:02.472 --> 00:33:10.142 - all three? I started with a golf cart, but I've had an ATV my whole life. 00:33:10.338 --> 00:33:18.652 - You have a problem then, right? So, but immediately the chatter on Facebook was reorganization and this 00:33:18.652 --> 00:33:27.367 - policy. I don't believe they should even, they're not remotely close to being associated. The reorganization 00:33:27.367 --> 00:33:35.601 - that we're trying to do here in Oldsville is way more important than being able to use my UTV. I would 00:33:35.601 --> 00:33:40.318 - be very disappointed if I couldn't, because I would become 00:33:40.610 --> 00:33:47.946 - I want to be an Elksville citizen that lives on Maple Grove Road. So I do think it's something that 00:33:47.946 --> 00:33:55.429 - we should work on sooner than later. And so we have a clear definition of what's going to happen. But 00:33:55.429 --> 00:34:03.352 - I don't think these two things should be joined together. And that's my public, that's my personal opinion. 00:34:03.352 --> 00:34:10.174 - I'm not on Facebook, but even though you're not on Facebook, you still get to hear about it. 00:34:10.306 --> 00:34:19.178 - The fact, the one thing that really, that I see every day on my road, just my road, is a tractor, 00:34:19.178 --> 00:34:28.230 - a bicyclist, a motorcycle, e-bikes. I mean, it's just all kinds of modes of transportation that are 00:34:28.230 --> 00:34:36.830 - going up and down our roads that we all pay for through our taxes, through our license plates. 00:34:37.026 --> 00:34:44.073 - And I've often wondered why these three vehicles were excluded because they're not any more safe or 00:34:44.073 --> 00:34:51.261 - any more dangerous than any other mode. You can even ride a horse down the road if you'd like and get 00:34:51.261 --> 00:34:58.378 - run over and killed. It's not the vehicles or the way we transport ourselves that is dangerous. It's 00:34:58.378 --> 00:35:05.214 - the people that are dangerous. And you can never going to change that. I don't care what kind of 00:35:05.378 --> 00:35:11.575 - ordinance you put out there that you're going to be able to change somebody getting hurt. I mean, I 00:35:11.575 --> 00:35:17.897 - was telling Jimmy, I went to the vet right before the meeting, and this guy runs me off the road, and 00:35:17.897 --> 00:35:24.094 - he's holding that phone right in his face. I roll my window down, and I become an idiot and yell at 00:35:24.094 --> 00:35:30.415 - him, and he doesn't put it down. He just gives me the finger and keeps on going. So that's what we're 00:35:30.415 --> 00:35:33.886 - dealing with. It's not the vehicles that are dangerous. 00:35:35.074 --> 00:35:39.886 - I'll be honest with you, Jeff. I don't see these as really that much different than a sand rail, which 00:35:39.886 --> 00:35:44.651 - you can build in your garage, register, put a plate on, and drive. I agree. It's a question of how we 00:35:44.651 --> 00:35:49.696 - craft it so that we don't do something that gets somebody hurt, gets somebody in trouble, or quite frankly, 00:35:49.696 --> 00:35:54.461 - gives somebody the idea that I can do whatever I want, whenever I want, with whatever vehicle I want. 00:35:54.461 --> 00:35:59.319 - Because again, those safety margins have got to be there. So you're exactly correct. And all the things 00:35:59.319 --> 00:36:04.318 - that are on the road today, some of them should be, some of them shouldn't be. I think these have a place. 00:36:04.802 --> 00:36:12.360 - We just have to, again, craft that message appropriately, craft the ordinance appropriately. All right, 00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:19.845 - anyone else with privilege of the floor? Well, I'm going to say something. Well, I'm going to give you 00:36:19.845 --> 00:36:27.113 - a personal view on this subject. I think we've got a positive conversation going. And I applaud the 00:36:27.113 --> 00:36:33.726 - county for putting an ordinance together like every other county in the state. But for me, 00:36:34.146 --> 00:36:43.043 - I live out on Cowden Road and we kind of live in a community and we've got some land amongst us but 00:36:43.043 --> 00:36:52.208 - we still act like a neighborhood. And so for somebody that has accessibility or mobility problems like 00:36:52.208 --> 00:37:01.461 - me, my life would be different and would be more confined if I didn't have my ATV. Right now it's broke 00:37:01.461 --> 00:37:03.774 - down so I went and bought 00:37:03.938 --> 00:37:12.567 - I went and didn't buy one. I borrowed a golf cart, and so between the UTVs, the ATVs, and now I'm even 00:37:12.567 --> 00:37:21.531 - using a golf cart. I can, I'm mobile, and it's social, and I think it allows me, you know, I go to Canada, 00:37:21.531 --> 00:37:29.993 - and I go all over Canada, but I can only do it because I have that kind of vehicle. And so there's a 00:37:29.993 --> 00:37:31.166 - whole tourism 00:37:31.330 --> 00:37:39.684 - economy up north that has to do with ATVs, UTVs, and snowmobiles. And so I'm not sure we don't have 00:37:39.684 --> 00:37:48.121 - an opportunity to look at that. But for me, mostly it's accessibility. As the town grows, parking is 00:37:48.121 --> 00:37:57.310 - going to become an issue. Older people like me, especially that can't walk like me, if we want to be engaged, 00:37:57.506 --> 00:38:03.915 - It's hard to get in a car and get anywhere close to where you want to go. And I just had a call the 00:38:03.915 --> 00:38:10.452 - other day from a couple of shop owners downtown and they were asking me about parking. And they said, 00:38:10.452 --> 00:38:17.181 - you know, a lot of our customers, if they can't park up close, they just keep moving on. So he's talking 00:38:17.181 --> 00:38:18.142 - about parking. 00:38:18.754 --> 00:38:26.161 - For me, in the future, hopefully, this allows me to get right up front. I always like to park in the 00:38:26.161 --> 00:38:33.568 - front of everything anyway. But this allows me that accessibility that keeps me a part of the social 00:38:33.568 --> 00:38:40.975 - connection to my neighbors and maybe now even town and definitely in the county. I'll be down at the 00:38:40.975 --> 00:38:48.382 - porthole in sooner than later. But anyway, so I just wanted to talk about why I'm so in favor of it. 00:38:49.122 --> 00:38:57.160 - It's not for any other reason, but it just makes me accessible to everybody else. And so I think it's 00:38:57.160 --> 00:39:05.356 - important to consider that part. You can't disagree with that. I'll be as short as possible. I promise. 00:39:05.356 --> 00:39:13.316 - So I live on Chaffin Chapel Road for years. I mean, I grew up on Chaffin Chapel. I'm about the third 00:39:13.316 --> 00:39:16.862 - or fourth generation on the farms out there. 00:39:17.794 --> 00:39:23.755 - If you all don't realize, there's segments of Chapin Chapel Road that's in the county. So now I can 00:39:23.755 --> 00:39:29.835 - actually take my gator to UTV and I can drive on that portion. My driveway comes out on Town Road. So 00:39:29.835 --> 00:39:36.094 - right now I cannot technically drive to my dad's farm to feed animals over there because I usually throw 00:39:36.094 --> 00:39:42.115 - hay or grain or feed as they buzz over there real quick. I've done it on my life. It'd be nice to be 00:39:42.115 --> 00:39:46.526 - able to do it legally, but still yet today I still can't do it because of 00:39:47.170 --> 00:39:52.962 - I drive on Town Road to get to County part of the road of Chapin Chapel Road. And it's very convenient 00:39:52.962 --> 00:39:58.641 - using a UTV to feed livestock and working with animals. Again, and I will caution everybody, I don't 00:39:58.641 --> 00:40:04.321 - think anyone up here in the council says, no, we're not going to do something. Yeah, I get it. I do. 00:40:04.321 --> 00:40:10.000 - But I want to make sure everybody understands that by no means are we saying there's not going to be 00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:15.230 - an ordinance. The question is, how is the ordinance crafted? Are we being fair to everybody? 00:40:15.394 --> 00:40:21.922 - putting things in there we're never going to enforce it. If we're not going to enforce it, don't put 00:40:21.922 --> 00:40:28.385 - it in there. Don't give somebody the problem in the future that somebody decides all of a sudden to 00:40:28.385 --> 00:40:34.913 - enforce it. You know, again. So it's just a question of what we put together now and see where we go 00:40:34.913 --> 00:40:41.570 - forward from there. So anyone else on this topic or anything else for privilege of the floor? Quickly, 00:40:41.570 --> 00:40:44.478 - please, because usually it's limited to one. 00:40:45.506 --> 00:40:51.219 - I might write a good point. The other counties, other than Monroe County, Monroe County is probably 00:40:51.219 --> 00:40:57.046 - the strictest. There's a UTV and there's an ATV. And I'm not telling you to look at that, but I think 00:40:57.046 --> 00:41:02.759 - it is important. If he lives on Cowden Road, him driving down Cowden Road on the UTV is a lot safer 00:41:02.759 --> 00:41:08.587 - than a horse, a motorcycle, or a Bobcat or a skid steer and all these other things that you can drive 00:41:08.587 --> 00:41:14.814 - on the road. So maybe you ought to take a look at that for certain roads. That's just an opinion. Thank you. 00:41:15.394 --> 00:41:23.336 - Okay, thank you. All right, now we'll move to council comments. I'm sorry, let's go supervisor comments 00:41:23.336 --> 00:41:30.972 - first. We'll come back to council. So beginning with the town manager. Good evening. I put in front 00:41:30.972 --> 00:41:38.685 - of you tonight, a request for an addition to policy number 305, it's holidays and town of Hillsville 00:41:38.685 --> 00:41:43.038 - personnel policy. I'd like the permission to add to that 00:41:43.394 --> 00:41:49.631 - employees of the police department who regularly work 40 hours a week and work a holiday will receive 00:41:49.631 --> 00:41:55.806 - the normal rate of pay for all hours worked on the holiday and the unused holiday hours will convert 00:41:55.806 --> 00:42:02.104 - to floating holidays. I have three SROs, I have a lieutenant detective and a deputy chief and sometime 00:42:02.104 --> 00:42:08.401 - with operational needs, we need those guys to work on the holiday. So I'd just like to have permission 00:42:08.401 --> 00:42:12.926 - to be able to let them take that at another time. Okay, council comments? 00:42:13.954 --> 00:42:21.620 - questions. I haven't really had time to digest this. I just got this today. I don't know how it tracks 00:42:21.620 --> 00:42:29.212 - with our normal policy or. The other part of the policy is right on there. The rest of it's on there. 00:42:29.212 --> 00:42:36.804 - No, I'm talking about for the other departments and. Anybody else before I ask my question? Go ahead. 00:42:36.804 --> 00:42:42.238 - I guess, and Mike, this is probably directed at you as the town manager. 00:42:43.586 --> 00:42:50.902 - and everybody else way in, I'm not sure why we don't do this for every department, because there will 00:42:50.902 --> 00:42:58.290 - be times when every department needs that ability to flex time and flex personnel. Well, it's complex. 00:42:58.290 --> 00:43:05.822 - I'm sure it is. That's why. In years past, I'm talking decades past, and unfortunately, I can talk about 00:43:05.822 --> 00:43:12.062 - decades past, because I've been here that long. But we had times when we couldn't give 00:43:12.290 --> 00:43:18.916 - people raises and so they give them time off. And so I'm not French, but I'm a big believer in having 00:43:18.916 --> 00:43:25.543 - plenty of time off and holidays are important. And so we don't want burnout and we want our employees 00:43:25.543 --> 00:43:32.234 - to be happy. But at the end of the day, when you're running the business, all you want is boots on the 00:43:32.234 --> 00:43:33.598 - ground all the time. 00:43:33.826 --> 00:43:40.803 - And because that's what we do. We serve the public. And if we're on a holiday, we're not serving them. 00:43:40.803 --> 00:43:47.916 - We're relaxing. And somebody else has to serve them. And if you don't have enough people, then sometimes 00:43:47.916 --> 00:43:55.029 - there's a conflict between pay and time off. And so the reason we don't have it for everybody is because 00:43:55.029 --> 00:44:02.142 - ever since Jeff and I have taken care of the utilities, we've been a big proponent of time off, but also 00:44:02.306 --> 00:44:08.393 - getting pay raises, and I think we've got to the point where we have enough time off. The only thing 00:44:08.393 --> 00:44:14.420 - I would change in our policy right now, and when we hire somebody new, even a new employee, that'll 00:44:14.420 --> 00:44:20.567 - get three weeks off vacation right from the start, not two weeks off. Because if you're a family man, 00:44:20.567 --> 00:44:26.714 - you're young, and you do this, that, and the other, you're not gonna have enough time, three weeks is 00:44:26.714 --> 00:44:30.270 - almost not enough time to grow your family. And so anyway, 00:44:30.370 --> 00:44:37.021 - It's real conflicted for me what we should do, but we do get enough time off except for the new people 00:44:37.021 --> 00:44:43.608 - that come on. And that's why we had conch time for a while, because we let them get another week just 00:44:43.608 --> 00:44:50.130 - so we could get people to come work here. So anyway, I think, you know, each department's different. 00:44:50.130 --> 00:44:56.910 - When the police need police, you've got to have them. When the fire needs fire, you've got to have them. 00:44:56.910 --> 00:44:58.718 - And so we, the rest of the, 00:44:59.298 --> 00:45:05.221 - The departments aren't quite the same kind of animal. I mean, it's just a little different. And so that's 00:45:05.221 --> 00:45:10.809 - why we don't have it. I've never pushed for it, and I think we get plenty of time off. If I can ask 00:45:10.809 --> 00:45:16.509 - a question, by no means am I trying to be argumentative. I'm trying to understand. So it's Christmas, 00:45:16.509 --> 00:45:22.209 - and we have a water main break, and your guys are out for 12 hours fixing that water main break. They 00:45:22.209 --> 00:45:27.294 - just don't get Christmas at that point. They get their overtime pay, and I get that. I do. 00:45:28.354 --> 00:45:33.807 - But why would we not give them the opportunity? Because again, it's an emergency basis they're brought 00:45:33.807 --> 00:45:39.525 - in. And sometimes what the police are doing is upping their staffing for a known quantity or known problem. 00:45:39.525 --> 00:45:45.349 - Same with fire, you know. So this is real simple. So what they're wanting to do is if they work on Christmas, 00:45:45.349 --> 00:45:50.855 - whatever holiday it is. We'll take July 4th where they needed to up their staffing. It was on Saturday. 00:45:50.855 --> 00:45:53.502 - They're going to work. They're going to get paid. 00:45:53.794 --> 00:46:00.015 - regular break, a pay, it's like they worked if it was a Monday. And they're gonna take the same eight 00:46:00.015 --> 00:46:06.115 - hours off somewhere else. That's actually saving the town money. Because if they work and you do it 00:46:06.115 --> 00:46:12.214 - by our personnel policy, if our guys work on a holiday, they get the eight hours holiday, plus they 00:46:12.214 --> 00:46:18.679 - get the however many hours they work at one and a half times. So some people sometimes, and we're pushing 00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:19.838 - snow, they'll have 00:46:20.674 --> 00:46:26.340 - 20, 25, 26 hours. Oh, no, I get it. And by no means am I saying you make them take the day away. Just 00:46:26.340 --> 00:46:32.061 - give them the option. So then all you're really doing is removing that eight hours and letting it take 00:46:32.061 --> 00:46:37.615 - it off somewhere else. And I don't have any problem with that at all. It actually is still going to 00:46:37.615 --> 00:46:43.225 - come out the same. Well, in the end, as managers, you have a minimum staffing requirement. Sorry you 00:46:43.225 --> 00:46:46.558 - can't have that day. It can't be Christmas on July the 3rd, 00:46:47.170 --> 00:46:52.458 - We don't know pitfalls. We should retain the right to say, no, you can't come in on work Memorial Day 00:46:52.458 --> 00:46:57.746 - just so you can take it home. It's only if you're called in or by some reason the department. We need 00:46:57.746 --> 00:47:03.190 - supervisors. Right now, our holidays are in eight hour increments. So if we come in and push snow, we're 00:47:03.190 --> 00:47:04.382 - only in for two hours. 00:47:05.218 --> 00:47:11.610 - How are you going to do that? If you want to, you're going to take two hours or you can take somewhere 00:47:11.610 --> 00:47:18.064 - else on that day? That's why I'm against this. I'm telling you at the end of the day. That's the answer 00:47:18.064 --> 00:47:24.457 - to my question. Well, I know, but I'll just, I'll give you the answer. At the end of the day, I'm kind 00:47:24.457 --> 00:47:30.725 - of old school for 56 years. We came in on Christmas and we work and we just missed it. It's a little 00:47:30.725 --> 00:47:34.014 - different for police and fire. And so I need people, 00:47:34.274 --> 00:47:41.371 - We need, I mean, sometimes I just like wish we had people working all the time, all the time. I mean, 00:47:41.371 --> 00:47:48.399 - that's what, but that's me. Two departments, two. But, you know, the conflict was we pushed for more 00:47:48.399 --> 00:47:55.358 - time off, but sometimes it doesn't work out. And we have enough time off, I'm telling you. We could 00:47:55.358 --> 00:48:02.942 - use more pay for our rank and file, but we have enough time off, and we've reached saturation point, and so, 00:48:03.170 --> 00:48:09.128 - I've always been against the whole town having that right. But for the police, it's a little different. 00:48:09.128 --> 00:48:14.971 - I mean, everybody doesn't come in for the DPW. People volunteer. We call them out, and they volunteer 00:48:14.971 --> 00:48:20.758 - to come in. We've really never had to force people to work. We worked last Christmas for 12 hours. I 00:48:20.758 --> 00:48:26.486 - was out there with them. We just missed Christmas. Well, I get that feeling, done that, been there, 00:48:26.486 --> 00:48:32.158 - done that. My question is answered, because if you don't want to extend it to everybody, we don't. 00:48:32.674 --> 00:48:38.362 - but I don't see we're extending it to police and if necessary, fire is gonna be a big deal. The other 00:48:38.362 --> 00:48:44.106 - option, I support what Jimmy once did. The other option the Department of Public Works has is they can 00:48:44.106 --> 00:48:49.738 - take some of their overtime that they had to work on Christmas as comp time and get an additional 40 00:48:49.738 --> 00:48:55.370 - hours off. That is true. So we kind of have it built in there. We just call it comp time. So I don't 00:48:55.370 --> 00:49:00.222 - think for us we really need to change anything and complicate it like he said on a day 00:49:00.866 --> 00:49:07.462 - where you only work two hours on Memorial Day, what do you do with the other six? So I think we've kind 00:49:07.462 --> 00:49:14.058 - of got it covered. Fair enough. But this would help us our scheduling. We're short people, and it would 00:49:14.058 --> 00:49:20.591 - help us our scheduling to do that and give them a chance to take that holiday somewhere else. The fire 00:49:20.591 --> 00:49:27.187 - department was brought in on this discussion. I went back to the department, talked to the firefighters 00:49:27.187 --> 00:49:29.470 - that this potentially would affect. 00:49:30.242 --> 00:49:38.288 - let them make the decision. They did not feel this was needed because the current policy allows for 00:49:38.288 --> 00:49:46.415 - flex time because of situations like this. So if I had to bring a fire investigator in or the deputy 00:49:46.415 --> 00:49:54.783 - chief had to come in on Christmas for four hours or eight hours and work, then he would just take those 00:49:54.783 --> 00:49:57.438 - hours later on in the pay cycle. 00:49:57.698 --> 00:50:06.357 - He just takes them off later. When he wants to, we just do it internally, and that prevents from getting 00:50:06.357 --> 00:50:14.686 - to the end of the year and having holidays left over that the policy says you have to pay out of. So 00:50:14.686 --> 00:50:22.932 - now I have to find the money left over in my budget to pay out what they saved. In other words, you 00:50:22.932 --> 00:50:25.406 - just use it up as you get it. 00:50:26.594 --> 00:50:34.813 - I can make it work if this is put in place, but the fire department's fine with what we have. Anyone 00:50:34.813 --> 00:50:43.195 - else with questions? As far as I know, I've never had that money issue at the end of the year. They're 00:50:43.195 --> 00:50:51.821 - always taking their holidays on time unless somebody hasn't let me know about it. Okay, is there anything 00:50:51.821 --> 00:50:55.646 - from council as far as action on this request? 00:50:58.050 --> 00:51:05.731 - Yeah, I'll make a motion to approve the proposed change to policy number 305. Second. Motion, second. 00:51:05.731 --> 00:51:12.810 - Roll call, please. Scott Olsen? Yes. Trevor Saker? Yes. Sam Sample? Yes. William Mellon? Yes. 00:51:12.810 --> 00:51:20.341 - Thank you. I appreciate it. Anyone else? I'm sorry. What's going on? You're still on supervisor. Is 00:51:20.341 --> 00:51:26.366 - there anything for me? I said way too much. I want to make sure you know we are 00:51:26.658 --> 00:51:34.644 - right now applying for the Fall Festival Parade permit, which could be an issue. We've got one plan 00:51:34.644 --> 00:51:42.950 - to work the traffic just like we would for an accident scene, or you let the eastbound run for a while, 00:51:42.950 --> 00:51:51.096 - then you change it to the westbound on the bridge they're working on. So we know that's not the best, 00:51:51.096 --> 00:51:56.606 - but I talked to Mike, and he thinks he'll make the decision on that. 00:51:57.538 --> 00:52:04.889 - Yeah, do you talk to them at all and see which way they're gonna fall, or do you know? Do you know which 00:52:04.889 --> 00:52:11.539 - way they're gonna fall, or do you know? No, I don't. I'll probably give them a call next week. 00:52:11.539 --> 00:52:18.540 - As you know, we did have the fireworks on the 4th. A large crowd up there, and then it got a little 00:52:18.540 --> 00:52:22.110 - soggy. Several people left, but several came back. 00:52:22.978 --> 00:52:29.581 - Everybody we talked to did enjoy them other than the first, you know five minutes of it was pretty pretty 00:52:29.581 --> 00:52:35.998 - wet but it went off with a bang and There was enough money brought in to cover all of it So we're good 00:52:35.998 --> 00:52:42.414 - and planning on doing it again next year and I appreciate everyone's help on that and especially those 00:52:42.414 --> 00:52:48.706 - businesses and individuals that donated the money because without that it wouldn't happen there's no 00:52:48.706 --> 00:52:51.198 - taxpayer money that goes up in that and 00:52:51.618 --> 00:53:00.839 - as forced through the town, it's all donations, 100%. That's it, thank you. Thank you. So I just wanna 00:53:00.839 --> 00:53:10.508 - bring before the council that we had a vacant labor's position come open July 3rd and we've had a interview 00:53:10.508 --> 00:53:19.102 - process and we had found somebody and just let you know that the person will start on July 27th 00:53:29.378 --> 00:53:31.582 - Okay, seeing no business for the council, we stand adjourned.