make it official we are now open for business town Ellsville redevelopment
 Commission I guess we'll stand and say prayer Lord I know that we can't do this
 on our own we need your strength to carry us through the day please give us
 the courage to face any challenges that come our way and resilience to keep
 going when even when it gets tough amen
 to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation
 under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all
 I guess we'll I guess we'll do roll call
 here Dr. hash Trevor Sager Carl Thurman approval of the minutes of March 10th
 2025 meeting second to have motion would you like to wait for dr. hash or do you
 want to we might as well wait for dr. hash he's in he's in the building yeah we
 haven't taken a roll call so I'm gonna do a roll call for dr. hash present okay
 and then we had a motion from Trevor Sager and a second from Carl Thurman and
 now we'll do a roll call vote for approval of the minutes of the March
 10th meeting Tom Corman here yes dr. hash approve Trevor Sager yes Carl
 Thurman yes and that was our approval the minutes are we good to go to new
 business correct new business would be review of the TIF management report is
 that someone has expertise would like to fill us in I have expertise but somebody
 who has expertise prepared this so you will recall that there are a number of
 reports due with regard to TIF management management of TIF monies and
 this is a report that Baker Tilley prepared and it's due to be filed with
 the Indiana Department of Local Government finance by tomorrow and as
 you can see there is this is the TIF management annual report and this is the
 report that I had emailed the board members last week or the week before and
 basically it shows that there are total revenues of zero dollars and total
 expenditures of zero dollars but nevertheless because the TIF districts
 had been established we need to file this report with the DLGF by tomorrow so
 the Ellsville Redevelopment Commission minutes need only to reflect that you
 have received the report and that you are passing along to the town council
 and this is an agenda item for them so okay so so based on what we have here
 anybody any questions on this before you okay I see we have reviewed the TIF
 management annual report for the Redevelopment Commission and we we've
 reviewed it with no questions no issues yeah moved to pass it on to the town
 council now you're mean it your minutes just need to reflect that you've
 received it perfect and then it will be passed along to the council uploaded to
 the gateway okay hopefully next year this will look different it won't be zero
 well and hopefully next year we'll know the process so it won't be the day before
 it's all good yeah I understand I wrote some checks out today myself
 apology accepted for the record roll call William Ellis yes all right so if we
 have put that in our minutes next would be discussion of the to clarify the TIF
 parcel numbers legal descriptions descriptions I'm going to turn that back
 over I just wanted to make the board aware that the town had turned over to
 the auditor's office the legal description parcel numbers and maps for
 the proposed TIF districts the auditor found one of the individuals in the
 auditor's office found what she believes to be inconsistencies so I am
 working through those I met with Denise last Thursday for not quite an hour and
 I am working through what the auditor's office perceives to be inconsistencies
 and then I will get with the auditor's office and hopefully we'll figure out by
 the next meeting what we need to do to correct this to make it clear because the
 auditor has found for example in the West Side TIF she says that there were
 parcels that were not listed on the survey exhibit but drew off as being
 within the legal description with regard to the downtown TIF she found again
 parcels not listed on the survey exhibit but drew off as being within the legal
 description she found three or four parcels where the opposite occurred
 listed on the survey exhibit but did not draw off within the legal so I just need
 to figure out how to fix this I don't think that we will need to start all
 over in other words resolution plan Commission town council back to the
 board I think we can just clear it up with a clarifying resolution just so
 that we're all on the same page and as long as we don't have anything contained
 in that resolution that was not already either in the legal description or in
 the parcel list that was passed by this board I think we can just clear it up
 with another resolution so I will get with the auditors office probably we'll
 get back to buying a fan you know and I'll let the board know how we are going
 to fix this yes buying a fan you prepared the legal so it's just
 clarifications all yes it's not like there's an area that was not in the
 legal description and was not in the sketch correct which that correct
 different problem yes yes and a lot of the inconsistencies are like in dot
 right aways so I can kind of see how that would be a problem but anyway we're
 working through it so I just wanted to advise the board of that any other
 questions on the clarification of the parcel numbers legal descriptions I did
 have one one question we had kind of alluded at one point under new business
 that we were going to add additional TIF area that we didn't include initially
 yes to include the land going further east is that correct where or when does
 that become a is it a working meeting or where would that actually come into play
 I think it's kind of wait now and see what happens up north and I mean we could
 call one anytime you want it was talked about a year ago or a few years ago I
 can't remember but you know it's worth exploring that's for sure
 fully established I mean and then we can right no I'm going to parallel you know
 so my thought is it not to add that into this but to not start new and then it'd
 be December of next year and we're saying oh what about that other TIF have
 we paralleled that with some of our work even with a working meeting which we've
 not had sometimes where you sit down and say okay when do we at least want to you
 know figure out where that is and not a priority yeah not it's not right not a
 priority but the thing that we want to get rolling so that it comes along with
 the rest of it so I I just wanted to bring that up and have that open for
 anybody having discussions or how we could do that down the road or if we
 just table it right now with the idea that once this gets clarified that we
 can bring it back up again I just don't know what the difference is if we wait I
 can only assume that if we wait later on to bring in a TIF then as the area is
 developed and it's not part of our TIF then we've we've missed the potential
 revenues to help develop the areas and bring even more stuff along if we wait
 till it's already developed yeah any reason to wait any longer we have to or
 need to yes okay so it'd be on our agenda for sounds fair that that's talk
 about it because we absolutely need to yeah they're doing up north okay well
 sounds good that there's only question I had on new business privilege to the
 floor thoughts discussions rumor mill okay Commissioner comments how was the
 flooding for your place so had they not done all that work along the creek it
 would have been right been chin chin high and I just one of the reasons I'm
 late I was talking some of the figure you'd be here I could talk to you and
 was talking to at the hair place and insurance place talking to them and they
 were showing me the the water line it came up pretty high all the way back and
 I'm thinking as one of the things I think we'll have to discuss before we
 can really we've I don't know if we can get it fixed but it's gonna it could
 really hinder our progress developing this area if we can't have some type of
 plan either through how they're building or whatever to fix this because getting
 a business to come in and having 12 to 15 inches of water that's just not it's a
 no-go right yeah and I want to make it clear no one that I talked to is upset
 at the town for anything I mean they're not like they're just like what what's
 the next the next steps and I think it's an RDC we have to be we almost need to
 lead with that I mean because if we get like way point signs and all this stuff
 that's great but if we have a foot of flooding we just wasted money on things
 that are not going to bring us in a return
 that's right and the first thank you the first the first phase that we've done
 the report said it should help South Street by about 14 inches so it's pretty
 close to what you say the second phase is to go to McNeely and work on McNeely
 bridge we've got a proposal from Christopher Burke might have to get it
 updated but I think for around fifty two thousand dollars they could put together
 the next phase then all we need to do is come up with half million seven or fifty
 thousand dollars and and commits to work we could go back to the county and see
 if they would help us with with the work I mean the bridge at McNeely is somewhat
 of a dam and the fix simplistically said is to put a cup of box culverts in so
 the water doesn't back up and it keeps flowing through that's only will help to
 a certain you know height of flooding but if you know if the first phase did
 what they said was doing and they come up with a second phase that says it will
 do X for flooding downtown yeah we are maybe we ought to go ahead and talk
 about spending some money and getting prepared for phase two and if we're
 prepared then if any money is available which right now swim and none but with
 if and when the time comes we would be prepared right we have a plan yeah phrase
 but so the other thing I'd say is I think when they built the reds only built
 the bridge that's at sale and 46 West now the plan was if it finally got to
 flood stage and backed up it was supposed to go across the bridge on the
 west side that was the overflow that's exactly what it does so anytime you talk
 about flood mitigation no matter what we do Mother Nature will sooner or later
 catch up with and say well try this one so yes you know but I do I do believe I
 mean all I'm interested in is when you want to start that next phase and I
 think the first idea is to spend about 50 grand and get a plan not plans but
 get a plan right ready so we can move forwards then the next question would
 that be an RDC thing or a council thing I think so but it doesn't hurt when the
 sister or brother organizations or boards work in tandem to make recommendations
 yeah it affects us I mean you can't you can't talk about making that downtown a whole new downtown
 and bring in business all these things if it's
 underwater I agree there are there's lots to talk about as soon as I knew it was
 flooding I come out about 1 1 30 and I stayed till about 4 4 30 so I got it I
 got there at the peak and by the time four o'clock come around it was
 receding I mean that's how fast it goes up and down and I had some really good
 videos of how you mitigate building in a flood zone and the church down on Vine
 Street is a real good example of how you can survive heavy flooding like the
 videos just crazy because it looks like it's sitting in the middle of the river
 but I know all their outbuildings that what wasn't built up on stilts didn't do
 as well but anyway there's several things we can do to encourage economic
 development downtown including flood mitigation but we can also there's
 different ways to build it that makes it work I regulate the building some degree
 as far as being prepared for flooding if you're an existing structure like
 Carl's has it you know it's pretty defeating every time this happens and I
 think the last flood was February 7th 2019 which kind of was just like this
 flood yeah Jill was telling me your house just had some water in the basement is
 that a lot of water okay so so if I was to walk all the way down I'd have to
 have a snorkel Wow it's how deep it was okay took out our firm yes I know that
 the furnaces yeah my parents up in Annapolis had that issue that every time
 it flooded pretty much yeah I took took out our furnace water heater washer and
 dryer everything's in the basement it was a remarkable amount of water no
 absolutely and like I want to make I'm not pointing fingers at anybody and
 saying should have what it could or anything and I want to come in the fire
 apartment and police for there's some people that needed to be rescued and
 some of the apartments there so thank you but that was the a lot of the
 questions I've been getting is kind of what are the next steps and and I want
 it's spelled out for us already I mean the original plan had a phase two right
 a phase three so I mean I probably the best time to yes we need to discuss this
 with the council tonight is it is that on your agenda for this evening well now
 soon it would come up it's not on the agenda but pretty sure yeah so is I was
 gonna say it's a good for us to recommend I mean if we're sisters and
 brothers and we're gonna talk about it do we I mean obviously don't do it
 anyways but if it helps to have backup from your other organization wouldn't
 hurt do we want to make a recommendation that wouldn't the council will talk
 about stage okay well I think that we want to make a
 recommendation to the council that they speak about the next phase of what you
 call it water not retention mitigation mitigation flood mitigation verbiage
 you might have something else to add to it I agree I do think we have to be
 careful to manage expectations it'll people know it's mitigation not
 elimination right right yeah with Mother Nature I'm also I can be sure is that
 we're gonna have another rain or another dry spell or another 2008 yes and and so
 a lot of people don't know it but in 95 or 94 Kevin it rained 11 inches just in
 Ellis 95 95 was Gavin added us and it was like in a really short amount of time
 and it literally was a cloud burst that just kept growing wouldn't move kept
 growing and they had 11 inches of rain and it flooded everything obviously
 flooded the sewer plant that's when I didn't call us and said hey we got an
 idea and it's kind of when our company started by the time you tell us so the
 county the county operates it maintains that bridge and that's normal for all
 the bridges and so we obviously have to talk to them I was just thinking I don't
 know that our funds could go toward that good probably not for necessarily the
 bridge but that's why I think Darla recommended the council that sure it
 takes all there's not like whose finger is yeah no it'll benefit the entire town
 yeah absolutely yep you're right that's a big bottleneck for for expanding on the
 west side when you can't get to the west side I know it's just that's just
 occasionally hit-and-miss but yeah yeah it is when people talk about they talk
 about like it's all the time the other idea too is is there anything we can do
 to get ahead because I saw a couple things on I'm a Facebook or a little bit
 on social media and I think they're just a lot of confusion I think a lot of
 people will really care but they're confused on we got a redevelopment
 committee but why isn't this being done the committee the City Council is like
 you said some explanation it's it's understood we're working on it's being
 prepared we understand it we agree but like you said that it can only be
 mitigated it can't be can't be stopped based on where we are from a geographic
 standpoint so I think a lot of people really care but I think they're I think
 there's a lot of confusion on who to point the finger at well and there's
 there doesn't need to be any finger pointing right there's some other nature
 sometimes you get ahead with some type of you know rationale this the City
 Council is aware of this we're working on that and I don't know just suggest I
 like to put out fires before they happen no I I completely understand I mean
 people why don't you guys why haven't you put a flood walls things like that
 and I'm thinking if I mean I'm not an expert on this but if if we're such so
 basic to just put up flood walls I'm sure we would want that option but if
 you put a flood wall just pushing like somebody else right everything you do
 has a reaction yeah and the mitigation definitely seems to help the Chandler
 side of things and I that's yeah I think there was some mud I believe that ran
 across 46 from do you have any information on that like a little mini
 mudslide
 the one place I know of is there was a little on Vine Street a little and then
 there was a little mud in the parking lot of the Presbyterian Church and what
 was reported to me to the foyer of the funeral home from across the highway
 that's yeah that's that's one of the highway and brought some of the mud his
 seven oaks is doing some kind of project there with the fields okay okay so this
 isn't probably a chronic thing just okay yeah any time you have that much rain
 you're gonna have mud somewhere well no yes but correct yeah it was I mean the
 force of the rain was kind of intense crazy I mean it took a lot of the rock
 out of Jackson feet and where our flood mitigation is now there's a creek bed if
 you go down there look and it just laid that rock out like somebody laid it out
 and so it moved from farther up east or south whatever you call it and and
 brought it into it what on Vine Street along along the banks and just laid out
 a whole new creek bed now it's dry of course right but I think the north part
 of town maybe got the most rain by the best I can tell because rat blooded
 really bad and and normally Stewart's Park Stewart Park it doesn't get out of
 its banks like it did this time right and it was it was out more than I've
 ever seen and I even see some damage to the town hall here from the winds I'm
 sorry I said there's even some damage for us here from the winds yeah that was
 yeah so anyway that's all I have to say I'll dig up all the information for I
 might even try to find it before the next meeting I think we have a Christopher
 Burke report in there somewhere I think one of the thing that I was going to
 bring up which is is I'm sure you guys are totally aware of is we had the speed
 limit change from 45 to 35 on Ellisville and I will have to say someone who lives
 on Ellisville and someone's been here at that podium more more than once on the
 speed limits I'm very happy about it I also think for redevelopment I think if
 we want to continue to develop off of 46 and make things expand people are gonna
 be more apt to want to come and do it if they realize it's not so hard to get in
 and out so I know there's been a lot of comment on that too but I'll have to say
 for someone that lives there and sees how to affect your ability to get in and
 out and not feel like you're being rammed every day I'm I appreciate whoever
 pushed pulled and whatever happened to change I think we can get people to slow
 down if we're gonna make this place beautiful especially downtown once the
 mitigation happens we wanted to be going slow enough so they can really see all
 the new things and the signs of the businesses and stop and utilize them so
 yeah and just to be clear you say people sometimes doesn't understand that came
 from a study in 2023 by NDOT and basically I mean we asked them to send
 us why they did it it's bullet points and basically they're doing this in a
 lot of towns that have the same kind of thoroughfare through it and the same
 ingredients for thinking about change in the speed limit and it really boils
 down to pedestrian activity traffic flow it's called a DT or something but it's
 average daily traffic flow and that those were really and crashes and those
 were really some of the that those were the main points of why they did this but
 they didn't do it here it's not specific to Ellitsville it is we're part of a new
 trend a new something new way NDOT does their speed limits in areas like this
 and we're just one of many so it seems like it was pointed towards us just
 because it sometimes is an Indianapolis 500 out there but it was not about that
 I mean it was all that other data so nobody I mean we actually were having a
 meeting that Monday before they changed it on Tuesday with the police and we
 were talking about traffic flow and and some of the people that weren't yielding
 right away since and we got the message while he's having a meeting that the
 next day that is going to change speed limits so that's how that came in I
 texted Mike because I thought it was an April Fool's joke with somebody because it
 was right yeah April 1st is when they put and also realistically it is the
 least expensive thing they can do to address the problems as lights right and
 lights actually will kind of clog up I mean the perfect solution is it's not I
 can't see any way it could be done but State Road 46 has to actually be a road
 not a street there should not be any right hand or turn hand left hands off
 to it it needs to have street stoplights and then frontage roads but I'm not
 kidding when I'm sure that would cost billions because not only would you have
 to do it you would have to eminent domain so many businesses right up along
 road and it would just be the access road yeah I mean it would I don't think we
 have the real estate to do that going forward that's something we probably
 should I mean we need to be really cognizant of that because that actually
 is the best way to continue traffic flow and not confuse streets in a road you
 mean streets for turnoffs right roads are supposed to be from point A to point B
 stoplight to stoplight but we've kind of gotten out of that not just us just I
 think someone had timed it and said it was it took an extra 45 seconds to go
 from one end to the next with a new speed limit you know hitting all the
 lights but it adds less than a minute to your last three minutes late so I'll say
 it's there all right well that's that's off topic but again I knew that's
 something new that happened since we had met I don't have any more new business
 you might as well talk about taxes change we did the privilege to the floor
 anybody else in this last statements make anybody want to feel like they want
 to talk about it I guess that's it right all right if that's the case and no more
 questions no more privilege of the floor this time we'll adjourn the meeting for
 the elsewhere redevelopment Commission for Monday April 14th 2025
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