- Recording in progress I guess we'll say the prayer here Lord I know that we
- cannot do this on our own we need your strength to carry us through the day
- please give us the courage to face any challenges that comes our way the
- resilience to keep going even when it gets tough amen one nation under God
- indivisible with liberty and justice for all okay the roll call here here here
- here doctor hash then I guess we have to prove the minutes of April 28th 2025
- meeting so moved yes Tom Corman yes Trevor Sager yes motion passes I guess
- our new business clarification of the tip parcel numbers slash descriptions so
- the Redevelopment Commission members will recall that after the
- Redevelopment Commission passed its resolution at the second meeting in
- February certifying certain areas as tip districts the town was required to
- provide copies of that to the auditor's office and so the auditor found a few
- discrepancies and considering this is our first time and we had over 150
- parcels I thought that was pretty good but anyway Stephanie Carter has been
- very helpful and what she did was she put together a spreadsheet for both
- Westside TIF and the downtown TIF and she said here's what I see as the problems
- and either she found parcels that were either in the legal but not in the plat
- with the parcel numbers or vice versa okay so then I passed those along to
- Bynumfano Bynumfano got back to me and they reviewed it and they have an
- opinion which I have now passed on to Stephanie Carter but here's where we're
- at and I think it's mostly good news so we're going to start with the Westside
- TIF because I think that is the easiest and on page two of your packet you will
- see the spreadsheet that Stephanie Carter prepared setting forth what she
- thought were the discrepancies on the next page in the red is Bynumfano's
- response and part of the problem may be when we sent the documents over to the
- auditor's office we're sending plats with tiny print so they're hard to read
- so Bynumfano looked at it and he said or the gentleman I spoke to is Tom Tom Nugent
- and I want to call him Ted Nugent anyway so he went through him and he said well
- he says I think it's all right meaning all of the parcel numbers that we
- included in the plat map were also included in the legal except for C which
- is what you see there on the first page parcel C was neither included in the
- legal or the plat map the parcel map like you have in front of you so
- assuming the auditor's office agrees I don't think we have to do anything to
- clear up the Westside TIF but parcel C which has an address of 8634 West
- Flatwoods is not going to be part of the TIF district so if the Redevelopment
- Commission is wedded to having that parcel in the TIF district right now
- we'll have to make arrangements to do that but I think what we need to do is
- basically start over in other words you have a declaratory resolution adding it
- goes to the Plan Commission back to council back to you folks for a
- declaratory resolution so like I said assuming the auditor agrees with Bynum
- Fanny of analysis I don't think we need to do anything to correct the Westside
- TIF I think we're good sure as I understand it yeah because Bynum Fanny
- is saying they didn't think it was included in the drawing or the
- description okay if it was any yeah any parcel that was neither in the drawing
- or neither nor neither in the drawing nor in the legal description I think you
- have to start over to give fair notice to the public what's being included in
- the TIF district so after Denise has made that comment I will go back and
- check but as of now the opinion is C was not included in either so so we don't
- need any action in this right now we're just correct waiting to see the sea of
- telling you what the what the opinions are so far with regard to the
- discrepancy so let's go to the
- section C is this one of those areas that were part of the Tech Park will we
- need to include that what okay so unless it converted to agriculture or commercial
- wouldn't really matter anyway but I'm saying there's no rush to do it yeah not
- a problem if it's already in there great if not it's something we can kick a can
- on no it's right past this is a flatwoods and 46 that was that right there at the
- intersection all right so then we moved to the downtown tip and mr. Nugent's
- opinion was that he had reviewed the auditors discrepancies and he agreed
- that some of the parcel numbers were missing and so he added it to the tables
- which is are the next couple pages in your packet I have provided to you what
- the Redevelopment Commission passed in February of 2025 and then the next two
- pages after that are the revised charts is prepared by buying fan you so if you
- overlay one over the other you can see there's not much difference what he's
- done is what by the fan you was done it's just kind of clear things up so the
- buying fan yo added the missing parcel numbers he added he said the weaver
- property had been drawn in at the incorrect location so he corrected the
- location which is now K on revised May 2025 page 1 plat and he also designated
- the trustees office and the town's property 101 South Park he gave them
- letters so we now have K L and M which were not they were not previously
- identified as such on the plat map that the Redevelopment Commission passed so
- he's just clarified that the auditor's office also asked buying and fan yo to
- provide parcel numbers for the in dot right away so he's done that and there
- are two parcels that you will see on the last two pages that are blue lined in
- that buying and fan you took from elevate the auditor's office had some
- questions about those parcels and mr. Nugent just included that in his email
- to me to show that they had as far as he could tell they had valid parcel
- numbers in other words he didn't know where the or how the auditor's office
- determined that those were not valid parcel numbers so again I passed this all
- along to the auditor's office so they can take a look at it but I think that
- if the auditor's office agrees with buying and find buying and fan yo's
- assessment with regard to the downtown tip all we need to do is just pass it a
- resolution modifying and clarifying the parcel numbers and just attach the maps
- and the slightly revised legal when will the auditor's office look at it I don't
- know but they have been pretty helpful so I see two issues here with an area K
- we have one parcel that's not in the town inventory in area L one parcel
- it's not in the town inventory the prefix is - zero one one which is just
- Richland Township zero one three is the town of Ellitsville actually area M also
- has that too so these are not considered town of Ellitsville parsley
- we're say those again William so I can look at them area K L and M the very
- last one on each one of them ends in - zero one I see that those are Richland
- Township parcel numbers everything should be zero one three because I don't think
- we have authority that NX things outside the town correct if it's not within the
- town corporate limits it can't be part of your tip district that's right and so
- these this parcel number showing it's not these three parcel numbers okay I
- will take a look at those some of these are part of there's a couple parcels in
- between there that are not in the town so I'm like Campbell's Drive which is
- parallel to you and I think it was so I wonder if that's what it picked up is
- there any way to pull it up on elevate now just to see what we're looking at on
- those okay good catch William I wouldn't have even been thinking that what you
- said yeah I am here apologize for being tardy going back on I apologize for not
- catching this on the west side too it looks like we have some that are not
- annexed yeah oh and eights yep which ones William a B C D and E and F by B C D
- and E there oh one eight which I'm I think is being blossom but I'm not a
- hundred percent sure so you'll see over to their South Park Street and in
- between South Campbell's Park Road I just wonder if it picked up those parcels
- there's five parcels there in the road county it doesn't look like it from the
- drawing would anybody have an objection if I stood up to get closer to the
- monitors I can take your point yeah I see what he's saying
- Darla, can you see the yellow outline?
- Mm-hmm.
- Do you want me to get off the zone layers
- to see it better?
- So right where my mouse is?
- Right.
- So I typed in area K,
- and that's the parcel number ending in zero one one.
- That's what it came out to be.
- But area K is not on the zone map.
- It's off, can't draw it off of it.
- I know, but I entered the parcel number,
- so that's where it came up.
- And then I'll enter under L that parcel number.
- (speaking faintly)
- The blue outline is area L,
- the zero one one parcel ending in zero one one,
- that's where it came out.
- I wonder if that's right away, in dot right away.
- But call on Denise.
- That parcel number does not end,
- it ends in dash zero, not point one one.
- And it should be dash zero one one.
- (speaking faintly)
- I believe that is right away.
- Okay, it just didn't go over far, okay, good.
- (speaking faintly)
- Is that the utilities put in there?
- (speaking faintly)
- Yeah.
- Right away?
- It's the old fire station.
- Yeah, it's gotta be right away then.
- Yeah, it looks like right away to me.
- Yeah.
- And normally, in dot right away,
- it goes in and it comes back out, just like that.
- (speaking faintly)
- The other one may be right away too.
- And Darla, that blue outline is the dash 011 under airbag.
- Okay.
- That one is?
- (speaking faintly)
- Where is that?
- What is that one?
- (speaking faintly)
- Okay.
- Is that Heart Street and Campbell Park?
- Mm-hmm.
- So it also includes part of 46 going down into Heart Street.
- Some on both sides of Heart Street.
- Okay, is that where the bridge is?
- Mm-hmm.
- Yeah.
- So it might--
- It's gotta be.
- Put you out there too.
- I know that's not a technical term, but.
- So do we need to remove those from it?
- Because we'd have no legal authority over those, correct?
- Right, but let me double check
- because the original, the one that was passed,
- the first one that Bynum-Fanyu did,
- the one that the RDC passed,
- has K, L, and M ending in zero, one, three.
- So, and I thought Baker-Tilley
- had gone through them originally back in November
- to say there were certain parcels
- that were not part of the town as far as they could tell.
- So they had already vetted it,
- but I'm just going to have to go back and look at emails
- and look these up on Elevate.
- But yes, to answer your question,
- if it's not within the corporate limits, then.
- Which side?
- Can you have Activities Mike on that,
- that parcel on the bridge?
- Well, we're putting our trail on the other side of the road
- so I'd have to look at it a little bit.
- There would be nothing we would ever do with it.
- I don't know if any of them, maybe a statue or.
- They wouldn't let you put anything on it.
- Right.
- Well, then there's still the question about the 018s.
- Yeah. - On the west side.
- Correct, we've got.
- Well, 018 is the town's jurisdiction on the west side.
- For Bean Blossom, it's Ellisville town, Bean Blossom.
- Correct. - Okay.
- Okay, interesting.
- Okay.
- So if we're going to 018, I'd like to say that one
- I wasn't sure about.
- That's all I have. - Okay.
- Was that all the clarification on the tip?
- The parcel numbers, the transcriptions?
- Well, I thought that was gonna be clarifying,
- but apparently it was not.
- I had more homework to do, so yes,
- that's all I have to do. - Okay.
- I'm wondering if the auditor's instructions
- to include right-of-ways conflicted with that,
- 'cause if we don't own the right-of-ways,
- we can't include them in the tip.
- So maybe that's what they included him.
- Well, I think the auditor requested
- Bynum-Fanyu to put them in there, so.
- If we include them, and they shouldn't be,
- and their right-of-ways will never work anyway,
- is it, I mean, does it cause any legal problems for us?
- No, she, the auditor may have wanted it
- just to have a complete record, so.
- But when we officially pass the ordinance,
- should we, or if we correct it,
- should we pass it with those in there,
- since again, we don't have the authority,
- whether we're gonna use it or not,
- I don't want this later on to be challenged,
- the whole TIF district,
- because we have invalid parcels in there.
- And could that possibly happen?
- Well, the honest answer is I don't know.
- Okay. - But I will find out
- from the auditor why they wanted those included.
- All right.
- Well, if we let them out, what's the harm there,
- and then we're covered, right?
- I would think so, because it sounds like they may,
- and this again is just speculation,
- they may have only been put in
- to satisfy the auditor's request for right of ways,
- which would conflict with our authority to do anything,
- but we don't need those in the TIF anyway,
- 'cause we can't do anything to them.
- Yeah. - So it's kind of
- a circular logic.
- So it's really a minor issue,
- but you're concerned it could become a major one.
- If we pass it with those in there, yes.
- I would much be more comfortable,
- unless Darla finds that otherwise,
- to pass it without those parcels,
- because that we are 100% clear on.
- It's ours, we're good.
- Well, from a fundraising standpoint,
- from the tax thing,
- it's not gonna make a difference anyway.
- Correct. - Correct.
- But it could potentially, from a legal standpoint,
- be a place where we could be fracked,
- and it might be an issue with our TIF down the road.
- Challenge them, just to see if the batteries, yeah.
- So where do we leave that?
- We leave it with you to come back with us,
- or we decide just to go ahead and,
- and then we'll decide whether to peel them out then?
- Correct.
- I'll find out more, and then I will let you know.
- Awesome, thank you.
- I'm sure we'll have the first town or city to have this.
- Right, so I get what you're saying.
- You don't want things to be going around really nice
- and down the road has to come back in
- and try to break up of our TIF,
- because it was something from a legal,
- descriptive standpoint, incorrect.
- All right, we move along.
- How about privilege to the floor?
- Anybody, you sure?
- You look like you have something on your mind.
- I have one thing we can talk about right now if you like.
- So on June 23rd, we're talking about having an open house
- and a ceremony for the DPW building.
- It's tentative right now,
- but I'm pretty sure that's when we want to have it.
- I'll be talking to the board
- about having maybe even have a meeting in the training room,
- just kind of break it in.
- Maybe we can have something real controversial
- to talk about or something.
- But anyway, that's just details.
- But anyway, on the 23rd,
- so it might be a good meeting not to have with RDC.
- I'm just thinking ahead.
- We'll not be here for the next meeting on the 9th
- if the commission so chooses to have that meeting also.
- The 16th is the regular scheduled meeting.
- No, 9th and 23rd.
- I thought it was the 9th.
- It is the 9th.
- Oh, it is, I'm sorry.
- I'm sorry.
- So I didn't know if there was anything scheduled
- that we could take off the entire month
- or if the commission wanted to meet
- or I just wanted to put that up there.
- Do we think we'll have clarification
- on these parcels by then or?
- I hope so.
- Yeah.
- The 9th or the 23rd?
- The 9th, I'm hoping.
- I'd say keep the 9th, scratch the 23rd.
- That's just me.
- I think I can do the clerk's job if you want.
- I mean the secretary's job of taking over.
- (laughing)
- I'll have to do it.
- Glass houses.
- Yeah.
- I'll have the minutes prepared for you so it'll be fine.
- Thank you.
- So if it goes out that on the 23rd
- we don't have a meeting, you're okay with that?
- What's your problem?
- I don't see an issue.
- Okay, you will be invited to the opening.
- Well fantastic.
- Are we still at a point where we're just finishing,
- this is a question for the board
- or for the committee, from the committee.
- I love all the stuff on getting all the legal descriptions
- and whatnot down and starting the TIFs
- and deciding what TIFs we want and do that kind of thing,
- but where do we get into,
- when do we start getting into the meat of this thing
- of actually doing something with the TIF
- or the TIF having some type of impact
- on what's going on with the community
- or some future planning or whatnot.
- I get this idea of forming this,
- but then I also thought at one point we had to start looking,
- oh we don't have any money now, I get that.
- So is it not till we get money
- then we all of a sudden start doing the utilities
- and the stuff where business can come here
- and we're set up and ready to go.
- Well at some point we're gonna have to start thinking
- about priorities, they'll always change.
- And so don't you think Denise
- that we ought to start looking at priorities
- so we can kind of get ahead of when there is money to be had.
- That makes sense.
- Instead of sitting here, oh we got money, now what do we do?
- And we take three meetings to discuss that.
- This way when the money comes in, we know.
- And at some point I'm going to ask council
- and I can start working on a riverfront district.
- I'm not sure with the board's approval
- and the town board's approval, that shouldn't be a priority.
- I thought we already submitted the information for it.
- For the tip and then we outline that area through the tip.
- But I think we still need to bring it into our zone.
- I think I checked with Darla though,
- has a riverfront district, that's what's allowed.
- Does that go to this board first?
- No. - Okay.
- They'll go to the planning commission first, I think.
- But Darla would correct me on that.
- Well, so are you saying we should,
- you're asking if everybody wants to start the process?
- Yeah, at some point I'll ask town council
- if they're ready to start.
- I thought we already said yes.
- Oh, you did?
- I really thought we, I mean, I have an impression
- we already started moving forward with that.
- Well, let's look at the minutes
- and bring it up at the ninth meeting.
- As of June 9th meeting as an agenda item,
- if it's not rushing you.
- Well, I just like the idea if this is where we are,
- this is what we need to do from guidelines
- and structure standpoint, I'm totally fine with that.
- But if we get to the point where we need
- to have some working meetings
- and look where we can actually see the screens
- when they're not so far away,
- we can't see them and kind of come up with some plans
- of where we're gonna go next.
- I don't wanna miss a meeting or cancel a meeting
- if there's something I can be doing for RDC
- to be ready for the next step.
- And if there's not, I'm ahead of myself, that's okay.
- I've been there many times.
- But reality is I like to see where we go next
- and be proactive and so that's just my talking out loud
- to the other members and the people here
- of what's our next venture.
- Yeah, and so I can take you out pretty far
- five or 10 years on what I think we should be doing.
- We've talked about it, Denise and I,
- enough that I think we could really have a work session
- on what we think we ought to do, what priority it is.
- Correct me if I'm wrong, Denise,
- but if a certain type of business was to land here
- and need this and that and the other,
- then we might be pressed to move forward
- or-- - Shift priorities.
- Accelerate what we're doing as a RDC board
- to make deals or promises that would
- enhance the economic development.
- I mean, there may be things they ask for
- that we might not be able to give them now,
- but I don't know how all that works,
- but it just seems like the RDC might be heavily involved
- in deciding whether we make some kind of concessions
- or work with a company that wants to come in town
- infrastructure-wise, so I don't know how
- that all works, but so it seems like
- we really oughta have a good two, five, and 10-year plan
- on how we would spend monies we might have in the future.
- Obviously, there's millions of dollars
- that are gonna be spent on a couple of projects out here,
- millions of dollars, and so there's gonna be,
- funds are gonna be generated, so I think we oughta know
- where we're heading, so that oughta be our work
- in the future is to make that plan.
- Can we do a working meeting?
- We talked about that before, where we can kind of get
- an idea of here's where we are, here's what's ahead of us.
- I mean, I'd like to have an idea that somebody came in
- and stuff happened that I knew where we stood to begin with
- so I could figure out where these other things work
- into the plan.
- At this point, I think I'm still a little shaky
- on where we stand on the next,
- to make things actually happen.
- Right, right.
- Let's just talk about the tips and bringing in the money.
- How do we actually get these things going?
- The woman comes to us or someone else comes to us and says,
- "Hey, you got some business wants to come here."
- Are we even ready with a outline on how to make that happen?
- Yeah, I mean, I don't know how to answer it.
- Go ahead.
- Part of it is you're not going to know until you know
- what kind of business it is and what their needs are
- and what they're asking for.
- But I understand you just want to get a grip on the process.
- Well, I think having some categories of,
- at least of the priorities,
- what are the big things that we're looking for?
- Maybe start talking about some of the possibilities.
- Maybe come up with our toolbox, what we have to help.
- What do we actually have to help them?
- A, do they fit?
- B, what can we do to help them?
- I get the idea of changing your priorities
- based on who turns in and who actually comes in
- and is ready to go.
- But I think the idea of working would be helpful for me.
- I don't know if it would be good for you guys or not.
- Yeah, I mean, we could just run through all the scenarios.
- I mean, for me, it's like on the west side,
- if a certain kind of industry came in
- that wasn't going to have a lot of employees,
- but they would have their AD would be such,
- it would help with monies that might come to us,
- then we wouldn't have to worry about things
- like if it was a different kind of project,
- like a life science project,
- where it's gonna have four, 600 people
- that's going to work there.
- All of a sudden, we'd be under the gun
- to talk about infrastructure improvements,
- particularly Flatwoods and Starnes Road,
- and maybe even Starnes and Reeves.
- So then we'd really be under the gun
- to figure out what we want to do.
- So those scenarios, we had to play them out
- and figure out what we want to do.
- I mean, in my mind, road infrastructure
- on Flatwoods Road, Starnes Road, and Reeves Road,
- particularly the Reeves Road and Starnes Road intersection,
- back to the school, we really ought to be keen
- on working towards improving that to the point
- where, say, 10 years from now,
- the road from Sales and 46 up to the school,
- where all the development's going on,
- and obviously there's school traffic,
- we need to be in a position where we can hold out
- for a year or two and close that,
- maybe put in a boulevard up to that portion of Sales Street.
- And then, so by utilizing the TIF and the activity
- and improvements that need to be done
- in that area that's going to develop anyway,
- you also would get the benefit of having
- that secondary ingress, egress to the school campus
- and you could afford to shut down, say, on 46 right now,
- if you shut it down, it'd be a mess.
- But if you plan for that, then you can,
- one thing begets another, and then overall,
- in say 10 or 15 years, you'd have that whole traffic
- infrastructure in place that would, you know,
- serve the community as it goes farther west.
- I mean, that's just, I mean, that's what I'm really thinking.
- And it's, you know, killed two birds with one stone.
- As an early priority is opening things up that way.
- But that kind of thing-- - I think so.
- Very important issue would be helpful.
- partner talking about that kind of thing
- during a work session, I think playing those out,
- those ideas, those scenarios out is helpful to me,
- I don't know about the rest of us.
- Right, on the west side, all infrastructure
- is in really good shape, with redundancy,
- two different utilities and three or four different
- types of utilities, but the one weakness is
- the road infrastructure, and it's not bad shape right now,
- it handles all the traffic fine, but would you,
- if you shut down the sale street going back towards
- the school, it could be crazy for a while, so anyway.
- Well, I'm open for that, the board is to make
- one of our meetings that we would generally probably sit on
- 'cause there's not a whole lot of information,
- but to sit and kind of revisit a game plan
- and have a working game plan that we can modify.
- Once we have a working game plan, as things come
- or don't come, we can modify, but if we don't have it,
- I know you've got a lot of it right here, which is great,
- I'm so glad that you're an asset for us,
- but I'd love to see some of that stuff kind of written out
- or somewhere where we could change it and modify it later on.
- I'm gonna donate my brain to that.
- Would you please, to science?
- I'm just gonna be able to jar in that potato.
- AI's coming, man, don't laugh.
- I was laughing.
- Yeah.
- There's a hand up.
- I'm sorry.
- Clark.
- Good afternoon, Commissioner Hatt.
- I would be, the VEDC would be more willing to come in
- and sit down with you guys and talk to you
- about some of the scenarios that we've seen,
- some of the site visits.
- What happens when somebody comes in
- to look at a piece of property
- and the different scenarios that kind of take place?
- We just recently went through one in Monroe County,
- so we're more than happy to offer some of our knowledge
- and expertise and some of the things that we've seen
- and witnessed and worked through.
- So happy to do that.
- Yeah, Clark, I think that would be fantastic.
- That's exactly what I'm looking for.
- So we're not trying to invent another process
- when the day comes, but we've been able to learn
- some processes already done by other development committees.
- So I would definitely take you up on that.
- Happy to do it.
- Thank you.
- So with June, have we decided that we're gonna do one
- and not the other, then we can make the other one
- into working and who can make it can make it.
- Maybe we could check with Clark.
- I think we decided the ninth,
- but I have something else to add to Darla's plate too.
- I just noticed on the list of the West side,
- if this part that sticks out is part of what we drew,
- those are all county parcels also.
- And those do not look like they'd be right aways
- along star and flat woods.
- They've all been annexed and just aren't reflected in that.
- Okay, okay, good.
- That's the unbarter parcel.
- All right, I was hoping it was something
- easy with that.
- How long does it usually take
- to get those converted over, do you know?
- Well, if the map is possible,
- this is where we started, so it may have been changed.
- Okay.
- Already, this may just be a little older
- 'cause it's been used.
- I just didn't know if we had to adopt
- the new parcel numbers or the existing ones.
- Do you know?
- I don't know.
- I think as long as the auditor can find it
- and designated as a TIP district,
- I don't think it's gonna matter for our purposes.
- Good.
- Mike, was that it for you?
- Yes.
- Anybody else on the committee have anything to say
- or add or hot to stir or some new information?
- No, I've already done enough today.
- Just so I'm clear,
- work session scheduled for June the 9th
- and canceled the June 20th.
- Well, weren't we doing a meeting June 9th?
- Because if we have to approve Darrell's information.
- Keep that and then maybe bump that to July.
- Right.
- Okay.
- And then potentially do a working meeting on the 23rd?
- Potentially a work session on the 23rd.
- Or July.
- Yeah.
- Okay, so you guys can decide on the 9th then,
- on the 23rd. - Right, on the 23rd.
- On the 23rd, yeah.
- Is it different, is it something else?
- On the 23rd, we're gonna be all glad-handed and...
- I'd say we push work to July.
- Through the new digs and all that stuff.
- So maybe in July, we can do a working meeting?
- Yeah.
- Yeah, the first meeting's on the 14th.
- So it's glad.
- And that would give enough time for the BEDC
- to be here to talk to, to get somebody, I would hope.
- Would that help, Clark?
- (sniffling)
- Yeah, that would work great.
- June 9th, regular meeting, 23rd, canceled.
- BEDC, right on July...
- 14th.
- 13th or 14th?
- 14th.
- 13th?
- 14th. - 14th, sorry.
- Will that be a working meeting or a open meeting?
- I'm trying to figure out if we had some time with Clark
- where we could sit across the table
- and just throw stuff back and forth.
- We couldn't get a lot of stuff straightened out,
- that we, it's not so easy to do.
- I guess we can here too, but...
- Yeah, so the only problem with that
- is if there are two or more of you together,
- it would be considered a meeting.
- A working meeting, no.
- A working meeting, we can have a work session.
- Work session, that's what you call it.
- But we still would have to...
- We still have to do the 48-hour notice.
- And we'd still have to make it available to the public.
- Right, that's fine.
- I don't think there's much difference
- between a work session and a meeting.
- No votes, that's really the only difference
- is a work session, you're not allowed
- to take any voting action on anything.
- And then a regular meeting, you can have a voting action.
- Which that's gonna be an informational meeting anyways.
- But I think what Gary brings up is a problem
- because a lot of these things are very tiny,
- even with the screens.
- I mean, we've got great screens,
- but I don't know if our eyes are matching
- how good the screens are.
- I don't mind our...
- I know, yeah.
- Yeah, so, I mean, that's the nice thing
- that it was a nice little, I think it would work for me.
- I think of maps and people across the counter
- and moving things back and forth
- and actually getting some stuff done
- instead of me looking at that thing,
- thinking, well, I hope William knows what he's talking about,
- but I can't see it from here.
- Well, we can, I don't know what it'll do to cats,
- but we totally can, a lot of times we push tables together
- so everybody's in close proximity to whatever we're working on.
- 'Cause even in there, we're not gonna have a screen
- that we can all see closely.
- Well, I guess with that being said,
- we have our meetings that we need,
- so you're clear on your part.
- The floor, any other comments or no?
- Mike's good, we're good.
- Would you like the maps blown up,
- is that what I'm understanding,
- for the next working meeting?
- I'd be great, I'd like this.
- I'll be honest with you, even with these,
- unless I had something else to look at,
- some of these little numbers on that thing,
- I don't know about you guys, but I can kind of see it.
- We did appropriate money in office supplies to do that.
- There's money in there to pay for it.
- Well, would it be helpful if you had some names?
- Yes.
- On here that we, maybe Denise and I
- could identify some of them?
- The street names.
- Yeah, the streets being a little clearer.
- The street names, can you overlay the street names
- or streets on this?
- I can print a very large map if you want.
- I prefer a very large map than four or five,
- eight and a half by 11's trying to put them together
- like a puzzle.
- I mean, like the flat maps that size.
- Well, even if we had one that you could put up somewhere,
- just a big one, we could go up with this thing
- and actually look at it.
- I have nothing where I can really look at
- and pull all this together.
- And again, I'm not a big map reader.
- That might be, you guys maybe look at those maps
- and figure it all out.
- It's still a little Greek to me.
- Well, when you did the first maps,
- they were just regular maps
- and you drew the line around where the tip was.
- And that might be like an aerial map might be better
- 'cause then you'll be able to identify what you're talking
- about and then, is that what you're talking about?
- Yeah, it is, it's map for idiots.
- Instead of this, I mean, I can't even read this.
- I can kind of tell where it's at now.
- So that'd be great.
- Anything you can do to help us.
- Yes, some of us are a little over.
- Well, that's fair.
- I just think it helps pull it all together
- before we go to our next step of our plan
- if we know exactly the geography, where it goes.
- So I think that being said, privilege to the floor.
- And I think we can adjourn the meeting
- for the ELSO Development Commission
- for Tuesday, May 27th, 2025.
- Thank you.
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