WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:12.000 - Recording in progress I guess we'll say the prayer here Lord I know that we 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:15.940 - cannot do this on our own we need your strength to carry us through the day 00:00:15.940 --> 00:00:20.160 - please give us the courage to face any challenges that comes our way the 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:37.480 - resilience to keep going even when it gets tough amen one nation under God 00:00:37.480 --> 00:00:59.400 - indivisible with liberty and justice for all okay the roll call here here here 00:00:59.400 --> 00:01:18.640 - here doctor hash then I guess we have to prove the minutes of April 28th 2025 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:36.480 - meeting so moved yes Tom Corman yes Trevor Sager yes motion passes I guess 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:42.520 - our new business clarification of the tip parcel numbers slash descriptions so 00:01:42.520 --> 00:01:46.960 - the Redevelopment Commission members will recall that after the 00:01:46.960 --> 00:01:53.020 - Redevelopment Commission passed its resolution at the second meeting in 00:01:53.020 --> 00:02:00.120 - February certifying certain areas as tip districts the town was required to 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:06.520 - provide copies of that to the auditor's office and so the auditor found a few 00:02:06.520 --> 00:02:10.480 - discrepancies and considering this is our first time and we had over 150 00:02:10.480 --> 00:02:13.800 - parcels I thought that was pretty good but anyway Stephanie Carter has been 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:17.400 - very helpful and what she did was she put together a spreadsheet for both 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:22.280 - Westside TIF and the downtown TIF and she said here's what I see as the problems 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:28.120 - and either she found parcels that were either in the legal but not in the plat 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:32.200 - with the parcel numbers or vice versa okay so then I passed those along to 00:02:32.200 --> 00:02:36.520 - Bynumfano Bynumfano got back to me and they reviewed it and they have an 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:40.280 - opinion which I have now passed on to Stephanie Carter but here's where we're 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:44.080 - at and I think it's mostly good news so we're going to start with the Westside 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:51.140 - TIF because I think that is the easiest and on page two of your packet you will 00:02:51.140 --> 00:02:58.040 - see the spreadsheet that Stephanie Carter prepared setting forth what she 00:02:58.040 --> 00:03:01.880 - thought were the discrepancies on the next page in the red is Bynumfano's 00:03:01.880 --> 00:03:06.120 - response and part of the problem may be when we sent the documents over to the 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:09.840 - auditor's office we're sending plats with tiny print so they're hard to read 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:24.920 - so Bynumfano looked at it and he said or the gentleman I spoke to is Tom Tom Nugent 00:03:24.920 --> 00:03:33.620 - and I want to call him Ted Nugent anyway so he went through him and he said well 00:03:33.620 --> 00:03:39.120 - he says I think it's all right meaning all of the parcel numbers that we 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:44.320 - included in the plat map were also included in the legal except for C which 00:03:44.320 --> 00:03:48.960 - is what you see there on the first page parcel C was neither included in the 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:54.880 - legal or the plat map the parcel map like you have in front of you so 00:03:54.880 --> 00:03:59.660 - assuming the auditor's office agrees I don't think we have to do anything to 00:03:59.660 --> 00:04:05.160 - clear up the Westside TIF but parcel C which has an address of 8634 West 00:04:05.160 --> 00:04:10.320 - Flatwoods is not going to be part of the TIF district so if the Redevelopment 00:04:10.320 --> 00:04:14.240 - Commission is wedded to having that parcel in the TIF district right now 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:18.560 - we'll have to make arrangements to do that but I think what we need to do is 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:22.000 - basically start over in other words you have a declaratory resolution adding it 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:25.160 - goes to the Plan Commission back to council back to you folks for a 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:30.640 - declaratory resolution so like I said assuming the auditor agrees with Bynum 00:04:30.640 --> 00:04:33.760 - Fanny of analysis I don't think we need to do anything to correct the Westside 00:04:33.760 --> 00:04:54.680 - TIF I think we're good sure as I understand it yeah because Bynum Fanny 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:57.320 - is saying they didn't think it was included in the drawing or the 00:04:57.320 --> 00:05:14.920 - description okay if it was any yeah any parcel that was neither in the drawing 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:18.800 - or neither nor neither in the drawing nor in the legal description I think you 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:22.940 - have to start over to give fair notice to the public what's being included in 00:05:22.940 --> 00:05:25.880 - the TIF district so after Denise has made that comment I will go back and 00:05:25.880 --> 00:05:33.920 - check but as of now the opinion is C was not included in either so so we don't 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:37.640 - need any action in this right now we're just correct waiting to see the sea of 00:05:37.640 --> 00:05:45.240 - telling you what the what the opinions are so far with regard to the 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:49.000 - discrepancy so let's go to the 00:05:49.000 --> 00:06:00.160 - section C is this one of those areas that were part of the Tech Park will we 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:10.040 - need to include that what okay so unless it converted to agriculture or commercial 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:21.440 - wouldn't really matter anyway but I'm saying there's no rush to do it yeah not 00:06:21.440 --> 00:06:25.960 - a problem if it's already in there great if not it's something we can kick a can 00:06:25.960 --> 00:06:41.960 - on no it's right past this is a flatwoods and 46 that was that right there at the 00:06:41.960 --> 00:07:01.320 - intersection all right so then we moved to the downtown tip and mr. Nugent's 00:07:01.320 --> 00:07:08.120 - opinion was that he had reviewed the auditors discrepancies and he agreed 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:13.200 - that some of the parcel numbers were missing and so he added it to the tables 00:07:13.200 --> 00:07:18.800 - which is are the next couple pages in your packet I have provided to you what 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:23.800 - the Redevelopment Commission passed in February of 2025 and then the next two 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:28.120 - pages after that are the revised charts is prepared by buying fan you so if you 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:31.200 - overlay one over the other you can see there's not much difference what he's 00:07:31.200 --> 00:07:36.440 - done is what by the fan you was done it's just kind of clear things up so the 00:07:36.440 --> 00:07:43.760 - buying fan yo added the missing parcel numbers he added he said the weaver 00:07:43.760 --> 00:07:47.720 - property had been drawn in at the incorrect location so he corrected the 00:07:47.720 --> 00:08:01.960 - location which is now K on revised May 2025 page 1 plat and he also designated 00:08:01.960 --> 00:08:06.320 - the trustees office and the town's property 101 South Park he gave them 00:08:06.320 --> 00:08:11.600 - letters so we now have K L and M which were not they were not previously 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:17.880 - identified as such on the plat map that the Redevelopment Commission passed so 00:08:17.880 --> 00:08:22.720 - he's just clarified that the auditor's office also asked buying and fan yo to 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:30.520 - provide parcel numbers for the in dot right away so he's done that and there 00:08:30.520 --> 00:08:44.080 - are two parcels that you will see on the last two pages that are blue lined in 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:49.840 - that buying and fan you took from elevate the auditor's office had some 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:55.380 - questions about those parcels and mr. Nugent just included that in his email 00:08:55.380 --> 00:08:59.080 - to me to show that they had as far as he could tell they had valid parcel 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:07.320 - numbers in other words he didn't know where the or how the auditor's office 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:11.560 - determined that those were not valid parcel numbers so again I passed this all 00:09:11.560 --> 00:09:18.440 - along to the auditor's office so they can take a look at it but I think that 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:22.640 - if the auditor's office agrees with buying and find buying and fan yo's 00:09:22.640 --> 00:09:26.480 - assessment with regard to the downtown tip all we need to do is just pass it a 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:31.400 - resolution modifying and clarifying the parcel numbers and just attach the maps 00:09:31.400 --> 00:09:38.360 - and the slightly revised legal when will the auditor's office look at it I don't 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:46.200 - know but they have been pretty helpful so I see two issues here with an area K 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:52.360 - we have one parcel that's not in the town inventory in area L one parcel 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:58.360 - it's not in the town inventory the prefix is - zero one one which is just 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:04.480 - Richland Township zero one three is the town of Ellitsville actually area M also 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:12.640 - has that too so these are not considered town of Ellitsville parsley 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:23.880 - we're say those again William so I can look at them area K L and M the very 00:10:23.880 --> 00:10:29.000 - last one on each one of them ends in - zero one I see that those are Richland 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:34.320 - Township parcel numbers everything should be zero one three because I don't think 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:39.960 - we have authority that NX things outside the town correct if it's not within the 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:44.560 - town corporate limits it can't be part of your tip district that's right and so 00:10:44.560 --> 00:11:00.160 - these this parcel number showing it's not these three parcel numbers okay I 00:11:00.160 --> 00:11:28.120 - will take a look at those some of these are part of there's a couple parcels in 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:35.200 - between there that are not in the town so I'm like Campbell's Drive which is 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:45.600 - parallel to you and I think it was so I wonder if that's what it picked up is 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:50.080 - there any way to pull it up on elevate now just to see what we're looking at on 00:11:50.080 --> 00:12:14.000 - those okay good catch William I wouldn't have even been thinking that what you 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:38.200 - said yeah I am here apologize for being tardy going back on I apologize for not 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:42.000 - catching this on the west side too it looks like we have some that are not 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:53.920 - annexed yeah oh and eights yep which ones William a B C D and E and F by B C D 00:12:53.920 --> 00:13:01.280 - and E there oh one eight which I'm I think is being blossom but I'm not a 00:13:01.280 --> 00:13:27.600 - hundred percent sure so you'll see over to their South Park Street and in 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:34.340 - between South Campbell's Park Road I just wonder if it picked up those parcels 00:13:34.340 --> 00:13:44.720 - there's five parcels there in the road county it doesn't look like it from the 00:13:44.720 --> 00:14:03.440 - drawing would anybody have an objection if I stood up to get closer to the 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:14.800 - monitors I can take your point yeah I see what he's saying 00:14:44.800 --> 00:14:49.020 - Darla, can you see the yellow outline? 00:14:49.020 --> 00:14:50.140 - Mm-hmm. 00:14:50.140 --> 00:14:52.740 - Do you want me to get off the zone layers 00:14:52.740 --> 00:14:53.820 - to see it better? 00:14:53.820 --> 00:14:56.340 - So right where my mouse is? 00:14:56.340 --> 00:14:57.180 - Right. 00:14:57.180 --> 00:14:59.980 - So I typed in area K, 00:14:59.980 --> 00:15:03.820 - and that's the parcel number ending in zero one one. 00:15:03.820 --> 00:15:05.380 - That's what it came out to be. 00:15:12.580 --> 00:15:17.580 - But area K is not on the zone map. 00:15:17.580 --> 00:15:24.300 - It's off, can't draw it off of it. 00:15:24.300 --> 00:15:26.420 - I know, but I entered the parcel number, 00:15:26.420 --> 00:15:29.120 - so that's where it came up. 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:33.580 - And then I'll enter under L that parcel number. 00:15:33.580 --> 00:15:36.500 - (speaking faintly) 00:15:36.500 --> 00:16:01.500 - The blue outline is area L, 00:16:01.500 --> 00:16:06.040 - the zero one one parcel ending in zero one one, 00:16:06.040 --> 00:16:07.340 - that's where it came out. 00:16:07.340 --> 00:16:12.460 - I wonder if that's right away, in dot right away. 00:16:12.460 --> 00:16:17.060 - But call on Denise. 00:16:17.060 --> 00:16:18.660 - That parcel number does not end, 00:16:18.660 --> 00:16:21.840 - it ends in dash zero, not point one one. 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:24.420 - And it should be dash zero one one. 00:16:24.420 --> 00:16:26.660 - (speaking faintly) 00:16:26.660 --> 00:16:28.220 - I believe that is right away. 00:16:28.220 --> 00:16:30.420 - Okay, it just didn't go over far, okay, good. 00:16:31.300 --> 00:16:34.220 - (speaking faintly) 00:16:34.220 --> 00:16:37.660 - Is that the utilities put in there? 00:16:37.660 --> 00:16:40.580 - (speaking faintly) 00:16:40.580 --> 00:16:41.420 - Yeah. 00:16:41.420 --> 00:16:44.540 - Right away? 00:16:44.540 --> 00:16:45.900 - It's the old fire station. 00:16:45.900 --> 00:16:47.860 - Yeah, it's gotta be right away then. 00:16:47.860 --> 00:16:49.460 - Yeah, it looks like right away to me. 00:16:49.460 --> 00:16:50.380 - Yeah. 00:16:50.380 --> 00:16:52.580 - And normally, in dot right away, 00:16:52.580 --> 00:16:55.860 - it goes in and it comes back out, just like that. 00:16:58.300 --> 00:17:01.220 - (speaking faintly) 00:17:01.220 --> 00:17:16.020 - The other one may be right away too. 00:17:16.020 --> 00:17:22.860 - And Darla, that blue outline is the dash 011 under airbag. 00:17:22.860 --> 00:17:26.460 - Okay. 00:17:26.460 --> 00:17:27.340 - That one is? 00:17:27.340 --> 00:17:29.860 - (speaking faintly) 00:17:29.860 --> 00:17:30.700 - Where is that? 00:17:30.700 --> 00:17:31.740 - What is that one? 00:17:31.740 --> 00:17:33.220 - (speaking faintly) 00:17:33.220 --> 00:17:34.060 - Okay. 00:17:34.060 --> 00:17:43.140 - Is that Heart Street and Campbell Park? 00:17:43.140 --> 00:17:44.540 - Mm-hmm. 00:17:44.540 --> 00:17:49.540 - So it also includes part of 46 going down into Heart Street. 00:17:49.540 --> 00:17:56.260 - Some on both sides of Heart Street. 00:17:56.260 --> 00:17:59.580 - Okay, is that where the bridge is? 00:17:59.580 --> 00:18:00.420 - Mm-hmm. 00:18:00.420 --> 00:18:01.260 - Yeah. 00:18:01.260 --> 00:18:02.080 - Yeah. 00:18:02.080 --> 00:18:02.920 - So it might-- 00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:03.760 - It's gotta be. 00:18:03.760 --> 00:18:04.580 - Put you out there too. 00:18:04.580 --> 00:18:08.420 - I know that's not a technical term, but. 00:18:08.420 --> 00:18:13.380 - So do we need to remove those from it? 00:18:13.380 --> 00:18:15.660 - Because we'd have no legal authority over those, correct? 00:18:15.660 --> 00:18:17.140 - Right, but let me double check 00:18:17.140 --> 00:18:19.500 - because the original, the one that was passed, 00:18:19.500 --> 00:18:20.860 - the first one that Bynum-Fanyu did, 00:18:20.860 --> 00:18:22.860 - the one that the RDC passed, 00:18:24.220 --> 00:18:28.540 - has K, L, and M ending in zero, one, three. 00:18:28.540 --> 00:18:34.500 - So, and I thought Baker-Tilley 00:18:34.500 --> 00:18:39.220 - had gone through them originally back in November 00:18:39.220 --> 00:18:40.740 - to say there were certain parcels 00:18:40.740 --> 00:18:43.020 - that were not part of the town as far as they could tell. 00:18:43.020 --> 00:18:44.720 - So they had already vetted it, 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:46.780 - but I'm just going to have to go back and look at emails 00:18:46.780 --> 00:18:48.260 - and look these up on Elevate. 00:18:48.260 --> 00:18:51.300 - But yes, to answer your question, 00:18:51.300 --> 00:18:53.540 - if it's not within the corporate limits, then. 00:18:54.180 --> 00:18:55.020 - Which side? 00:18:55.020 --> 00:18:59.500 - Can you have Activities Mike on that, 00:18:59.500 --> 00:19:00.960 - that parcel on the bridge? 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:05.580 - Well, we're putting our trail on the other side of the road 00:19:05.580 --> 00:19:08.740 - so I'd have to look at it a little bit. 00:19:08.740 --> 00:19:11.900 - There would be nothing we would ever do with it. 00:19:11.900 --> 00:19:14.900 - I don't know if any of them, maybe a statue or. 00:19:14.900 --> 00:19:20.700 - They wouldn't let you put anything on it. 00:19:20.700 --> 00:19:21.540 - Right. 00:19:23.140 --> 00:19:25.420 - Well, then there's still the question about the 018s. 00:19:25.420 --> 00:19:26.340 - Yeah. - On the west side. 00:19:26.340 --> 00:19:27.180 - Correct, we've got. 00:19:27.180 --> 00:19:31.820 - Well, 018 is the town's jurisdiction on the west side. 00:19:31.820 --> 00:19:34.500 - For Bean Blossom, it's Ellisville town, Bean Blossom. 00:19:34.500 --> 00:19:35.740 - Correct. - Okay. 00:19:35.740 --> 00:19:37.100 - Okay, interesting. 00:19:37.100 --> 00:19:49.900 - Okay. 00:19:51.020 --> 00:19:53.820 - So if we're going to 018, I'd like to say that one 00:19:53.820 --> 00:19:54.820 - I wasn't sure about. 00:19:54.820 --> 00:20:12.060 - That's all I have. - Okay. 00:20:12.060 --> 00:20:20.420 - Was that all the clarification on the tip? 00:20:20.420 --> 00:20:21.820 - The parcel numbers, the transcriptions? 00:20:21.820 --> 00:20:23.700 - Well, I thought that was gonna be clarifying, 00:20:23.700 --> 00:20:24.860 - but apparently it was not. 00:20:24.860 --> 00:20:27.740 - I had more homework to do, so yes, 00:20:27.740 --> 00:20:29.100 - that's all I have to do. - Okay. 00:20:29.100 --> 00:20:30.980 - I'm wondering if the auditor's instructions 00:20:30.980 --> 00:20:34.460 - to include right-of-ways conflicted with that, 00:20:34.460 --> 00:20:36.460 - 'cause if we don't own the right-of-ways, 00:20:36.460 --> 00:20:38.060 - we can't include them in the tip. 00:20:38.060 --> 00:20:41.820 - So maybe that's what they included him. 00:20:41.820 --> 00:20:46.100 - Well, I think the auditor requested 00:20:46.100 --> 00:20:48.340 - Bynum-Fanyu to put them in there, so. 00:20:50.020 --> 00:20:53.460 - If we include them, and they shouldn't be, 00:20:53.460 --> 00:20:56.420 - and their right-of-ways will never work anyway, 00:20:56.420 --> 00:21:02.740 - is it, I mean, does it cause any legal problems for us? 00:21:02.740 --> 00:21:06.340 - No, she, the auditor may have wanted it 00:21:06.340 --> 00:21:10.540 - just to have a complete record, so. 00:21:10.540 --> 00:21:12.180 - But when we officially pass the ordinance, 00:21:12.180 --> 00:21:15.340 - should we, or if we correct it, 00:21:15.340 --> 00:21:16.820 - should we pass it with those in there, 00:21:16.820 --> 00:21:19.040 - since again, we don't have the authority, 00:21:20.040 --> 00:21:21.840 - whether we're gonna use it or not, 00:21:21.840 --> 00:21:23.920 - I don't want this later on to be challenged, 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:24.840 - the whole TIF district, 00:21:24.840 --> 00:21:26.920 - because we have invalid parcels in there. 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:35.240 - And could that possibly happen? 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:39.560 - Well, the honest answer is I don't know. 00:21:39.560 --> 00:21:40.760 - Okay. - But I will find out 00:21:40.760 --> 00:21:43.620 - from the auditor why they wanted those included. 00:21:43.620 --> 00:21:44.460 - All right. 00:21:46.720 --> 00:21:51.640 - Well, if we let them out, what's the harm there, 00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:54.120 - and then we're covered, right? 00:21:54.120 --> 00:21:56.760 - I would think so, because it sounds like they may, 00:21:56.760 --> 00:21:59.120 - and this again is just speculation, 00:21:59.120 --> 00:22:00.400 - they may have only been put in 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:04.760 - to satisfy the auditor's request for right of ways, 00:22:04.760 --> 00:22:07.880 - which would conflict with our authority to do anything, 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:09.720 - but we don't need those in the TIF anyway, 00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:11.480 - 'cause we can't do anything to them. 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:14.840 - Yeah. - So it's kind of 00:22:14.840 --> 00:22:15.680 - a circular logic. 00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:17.760 - So it's really a minor issue, 00:22:17.760 --> 00:22:19.880 - but you're concerned it could become a major one. 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:22.920 - If we pass it with those in there, yes. 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:25.480 - I would much be more comfortable, 00:22:25.480 --> 00:22:27.200 - unless Darla finds that otherwise, 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:29.800 - to pass it without those parcels, 00:22:29.800 --> 00:22:32.600 - because that we are 100% clear on. 00:22:32.600 --> 00:22:33.720 - It's ours, we're good. 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:42.600 - Well, from a fundraising standpoint, 00:22:42.600 --> 00:22:43.440 - from the tax thing, 00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:44.440 - it's not gonna make a difference anyway. 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:45.720 - Correct. - Correct. 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:48.080 - But it could potentially, from a legal standpoint, 00:22:48.080 --> 00:22:50.600 - be a place where we could be fracked, 00:22:50.600 --> 00:22:53.880 - and it might be an issue with our TIF down the road. 00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:56.800 - Challenge them, just to see if the batteries, yeah. 00:22:56.800 --> 00:23:01.560 - So where do we leave that? 00:23:01.560 --> 00:23:03.320 - We leave it with you to come back with us, 00:23:03.320 --> 00:23:05.080 - or we decide just to go ahead and, 00:23:05.080 --> 00:23:07.160 - and then we'll decide whether to peel them out then? 00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:08.000 - Correct. 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:10.000 - I'll find out more, and then I will let you know. 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:11.000 - Awesome, thank you. 00:23:13.360 --> 00:23:17.440 - I'm sure we'll have the first town or city to have this. 00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:19.080 - Right, so I get what you're saying. 00:23:19.080 --> 00:23:20.800 - You don't want things to be going around really nice 00:23:20.800 --> 00:23:22.080 - and down the road has to come back in 00:23:22.080 --> 00:23:23.400 - and try to break up of our TIF, 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:25.560 - because it was something from a legal, 00:23:25.560 --> 00:23:27.560 - descriptive standpoint, incorrect. 00:23:27.560 --> 00:23:32.160 - All right, we move along. 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:33.760 - How about privilege to the floor? 00:23:33.760 --> 00:23:38.400 - Anybody, you sure? 00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:41.200 - You look like you have something on your mind. 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:45.600 - I have one thing we can talk about right now if you like. 00:23:45.600 --> 00:23:50.600 - So on June 23rd, we're talking about having an open house 00:23:50.600 --> 00:23:53.160 - and a ceremony for the DPW building. 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:54.880 - It's tentative right now, 00:23:54.880 --> 00:23:57.040 - but I'm pretty sure that's when we want to have it. 00:23:57.040 --> 00:23:58.560 - I'll be talking to the board 00:23:58.560 --> 00:24:01.760 - about having maybe even have a meeting in the training room, 00:24:01.760 --> 00:24:04.400 - just kind of break it in. 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:06.440 - Maybe we can have something real controversial 00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:07.440 - to talk about or something. 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:08.920 - But anyway, that's just details. 00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:10.360 - But anyway, on the 23rd, 00:24:10.360 --> 00:24:14.720 - so it might be a good meeting not to have with RDC. 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:18.240 - I'm just thinking ahead. 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:21.600 - We'll not be here for the next meeting on the 9th 00:24:21.600 --> 00:24:25.400 - if the commission so chooses to have that meeting also. 00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:30.160 - The 16th is the regular scheduled meeting. 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:31.760 - No, 9th and 23rd. 00:24:31.760 --> 00:24:33.600 - I thought it was the 9th. 00:24:33.600 --> 00:24:34.440 - It is the 9th. 00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:35.360 - Oh, it is, I'm sorry. 00:24:35.360 --> 00:24:39.160 - I'm sorry. 00:24:39.160 --> 00:24:43.240 - So I didn't know if there was anything scheduled 00:24:43.240 --> 00:24:46.160 - that we could take off the entire month 00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:48.160 - or if the commission wanted to meet 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:50.200 - or I just wanted to put that up there. 00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:51.640 - Do we think we'll have clarification 00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:53.520 - on these parcels by then or? 00:24:53.520 --> 00:24:54.360 - I hope so. 00:24:54.360 --> 00:24:55.180 - Yeah. 00:24:55.180 --> 00:24:56.640 - The 9th or the 23rd? 00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:58.640 - The 9th, I'm hoping. 00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:01.840 - I'd say keep the 9th, scratch the 23rd. 00:25:01.840 --> 00:25:04.980 - That's just me. 00:25:07.600 --> 00:25:10.760 - I think I can do the clerk's job if you want. 00:25:10.760 --> 00:25:13.000 - I mean the secretary's job of taking over. 00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:14.120 - (laughing) 00:25:14.120 --> 00:25:15.960 - I'll have to do it. 00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:17.360 - Glass houses. 00:25:17.360 --> 00:25:18.200 - Yeah. 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:24.880 - I'll have the minutes prepared for you so it'll be fine. 00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:25.720 - Thank you. 00:25:25.720 --> 00:25:31.000 - So if it goes out that on the 23rd 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:33.640 - we don't have a meeting, you're okay with that? 00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:35.760 - What's your problem? 00:25:35.760 --> 00:25:37.200 - I don't see an issue. 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:41.360 - Okay, you will be invited to the opening. 00:25:41.360 --> 00:25:42.200 - Well fantastic. 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:45.920 - Are we still at a point where we're just finishing, 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:48.080 - this is a question for the board 00:25:48.080 --> 00:25:50.080 - or for the committee, from the committee. 00:25:50.080 --> 00:25:54.760 - I love all the stuff on getting all the legal descriptions 00:25:54.760 --> 00:25:57.160 - and whatnot down and starting the TIFs 00:25:57.160 --> 00:25:59.240 - and deciding what TIFs we want and do that kind of thing, 00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:02.240 - but where do we get into, 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:04.520 - when do we start getting into the meat of this thing 00:26:04.520 --> 00:26:06.600 - of actually doing something with the TIF 00:26:06.600 --> 00:26:10.360 - or the TIF having some type of impact 00:26:10.360 --> 00:26:12.320 - on what's going on with the community 00:26:12.320 --> 00:26:15.480 - or some future planning or whatnot. 00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:18.120 - I get this idea of forming this, 00:26:18.120 --> 00:26:20.520 - but then I also thought at one point we had to start looking, 00:26:20.520 --> 00:26:22.160 - oh we don't have any money now, I get that. 00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:23.400 - So is it not till we get money 00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:26.400 - then we all of a sudden start doing the utilities 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:28.880 - and the stuff where business can come here 00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:30.760 - and we're set up and ready to go. 00:26:30.760 --> 00:26:35.920 - Well at some point we're gonna have to start thinking 00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:39.880 - about priorities, they'll always change. 00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:43.200 - And so don't you think Denise 00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:46.520 - that we ought to start looking at priorities 00:26:46.520 --> 00:26:50.920 - so we can kind of get ahead of when there is money to be had. 00:26:50.920 --> 00:26:54.440 - That makes sense. 00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:56.520 - Instead of sitting here, oh we got money, now what do we do? 00:26:56.520 --> 00:26:58.440 - And we take three meetings to discuss that. 00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:01.680 - This way when the money comes in, we know. 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:04.840 - And at some point I'm going to ask council 00:27:04.840 --> 00:27:08.080 - and I can start working on a riverfront district. 00:27:08.080 --> 00:27:15.880 - I'm not sure with the board's approval 00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:19.000 - and the town board's approval, that shouldn't be a priority. 00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:23.360 - I thought we already submitted the information for it. 00:27:23.360 --> 00:27:28.000 - For the tip and then we outline that area through the tip. 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:33.000 - But I think we still need to bring it into our zone. 00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:35.840 - I think I checked with Darla though, 00:27:35.840 --> 00:27:40.840 - has a riverfront district, that's what's allowed. 00:27:40.840 --> 00:27:43.600 - Does that go to this board first? 00:27:43.600 --> 00:27:45.360 - No. - Okay. 00:27:45.360 --> 00:27:49.320 - They'll go to the planning commission first, I think. 00:27:49.320 --> 00:27:52.500 - But Darla would correct me on that. 00:27:52.500 --> 00:27:55.400 - Well, so are you saying we should, 00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:59.160 - you're asking if everybody wants to start the process? 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:01.080 - Yeah, at some point I'll ask town council 00:28:01.080 --> 00:28:02.760 - if they're ready to start. 00:28:03.800 --> 00:28:05.880 - I thought we already said yes. 00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:07.000 - Oh, you did? 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:09.580 - I really thought we, I mean, I have an impression 00:28:09.580 --> 00:28:12.160 - we already started moving forward with that. 00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:13.920 - Well, let's look at the minutes 00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:16.800 - and bring it up at the ninth meeting. 00:28:16.800 --> 00:28:21.080 - As of June 9th meeting as an agenda item, 00:28:21.080 --> 00:28:22.520 - if it's not rushing you. 00:28:22.520 --> 00:28:27.020 - Well, I just like the idea if this is where we are, 00:28:27.020 --> 00:28:30.640 - this is what we need to do from guidelines 00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:33.060 - and structure standpoint, I'm totally fine with that. 00:28:33.060 --> 00:28:34.320 - But if we get to the point where we need 00:28:34.320 --> 00:28:36.200 - to have some working meetings 00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:38.000 - and look where we can actually see the screens 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:38.840 - when they're not so far away, 00:28:38.840 --> 00:28:41.160 - we can't see them and kind of come up with some plans 00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:42.600 - of where we're gonna go next. 00:28:42.600 --> 00:28:45.280 - I don't wanna miss a meeting or cancel a meeting 00:28:45.280 --> 00:28:47.600 - if there's something I can be doing for RDC 00:28:47.600 --> 00:28:48.960 - to be ready for the next step. 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:51.400 - And if there's not, I'm ahead of myself, that's okay. 00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:52.840 - I've been there many times. 00:28:52.840 --> 00:28:56.920 - But reality is I like to see where we go next 00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:01.360 - and be proactive and so that's just my talking out loud 00:29:01.360 --> 00:29:03.080 - to the other members and the people here 00:29:03.080 --> 00:29:07.720 - of what's our next venture. 00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:11.800 - Yeah, and so I can take you out pretty far 00:29:11.800 --> 00:29:16.360 - five or 10 years on what I think we should be doing. 00:29:16.360 --> 00:29:18.600 - We've talked about it, Denise and I, 00:29:18.600 --> 00:29:23.160 - enough that I think we could really have a work session 00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:28.160 - on what we think we ought to do, what priority it is. 00:29:30.040 --> 00:29:31.600 - Correct me if I'm wrong, Denise, 00:29:31.600 --> 00:29:36.600 - but if a certain type of business was to land here 00:29:36.600 --> 00:29:40.440 - and need this and that and the other, 00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:45.440 - then we might be pressed to move forward 00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:48.720 - or-- - Shift priorities. 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:52.840 - Accelerate what we're doing as a RDC board 00:29:52.840 --> 00:29:57.840 - to make deals or promises that would 00:29:58.160 --> 00:30:02.760 - enhance the economic development. 00:30:02.760 --> 00:30:05.320 - I mean, there may be things they ask for 00:30:05.320 --> 00:30:07.520 - that we might not be able to give them now, 00:30:07.520 --> 00:30:10.440 - but I don't know how all that works, 00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:14.240 - but it just seems like the RDC might be heavily involved 00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:18.760 - in deciding whether we make some kind of concessions 00:30:18.760 --> 00:30:22.960 - or work with a company that wants to come in town 00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:27.600 - infrastructure-wise, so I don't know how 00:30:27.600 --> 00:30:30.320 - that all works, but so it seems like 00:30:30.320 --> 00:30:35.320 - we really oughta have a good two, five, and 10-year plan 00:30:35.320 --> 00:30:40.080 - on how we would spend monies we might have in the future. 00:30:40.080 --> 00:30:45.080 - Obviously, there's millions of dollars 00:30:45.080 --> 00:30:47.960 - that are gonna be spent on a couple of projects out here, 00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:51.560 - millions of dollars, and so there's gonna be, 00:30:51.560 --> 00:30:56.560 - funds are gonna be generated, so I think we oughta know 00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.480 - where we're heading, so that oughta be our work 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:04.560 - in the future is to make that plan. 00:31:04.560 --> 00:31:06.680 - Can we do a working meeting? 00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:09.960 - We talked about that before, where we can kind of get 00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:13.280 - an idea of here's where we are, here's what's ahead of us. 00:31:13.280 --> 00:31:15.160 - I mean, I'd like to have an idea that somebody came in 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.480 - and stuff happened that I knew where we stood to begin with 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:20.880 - so I could figure out where these other things work 00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:21.720 - into the plan. 00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:24.640 - At this point, I think I'm still a little shaky 00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:27.960 - on where we stand on the next, 00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:31.280 - to make things actually happen. 00:31:31.280 --> 00:31:32.120 - Right, right. 00:31:32.120 --> 00:31:33.960 - Let's just talk about the tips and bringing in the money. 00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:36.920 - How do we actually get these things going? 00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:39.060 - The woman comes to us or someone else comes to us and says, 00:31:39.060 --> 00:31:40.960 - "Hey, you got some business wants to come here." 00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:45.480 - Are we even ready with a outline on how to make that happen? 00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:52.400 - Yeah, I mean, I don't know how to answer it. 00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:53.940 - Go ahead. 00:31:53.940 --> 00:31:55.400 - Part of it is you're not going to know until you know 00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:58.160 - what kind of business it is and what their needs are 00:31:58.160 --> 00:31:59.220 - and what they're asking for. 00:31:59.220 --> 00:32:02.880 - But I understand you just want to get a grip on the process. 00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:05.320 - Well, I think having some categories of, 00:32:05.320 --> 00:32:06.720 - at least of the priorities, 00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:09.760 - what are the big things that we're looking for? 00:32:09.760 --> 00:32:12.560 - Maybe start talking about some of the possibilities. 00:32:12.560 --> 00:32:16.400 - Maybe come up with our toolbox, what we have to help. 00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:18.720 - What do we actually have to help them? 00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:19.840 - A, do they fit? 00:32:19.840 --> 00:32:22.000 - B, what can we do to help them? 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:24.880 - I get the idea of changing your priorities 00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:27.760 - based on who turns in and who actually comes in 00:32:27.760 --> 00:32:28.900 - and is ready to go. 00:32:28.900 --> 00:32:34.440 - But I think the idea of working would be helpful for me. 00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:36.680 - I don't know if it would be good for you guys or not. 00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:39.400 - Yeah, I mean, we could just run through all the scenarios. 00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:42.400 - I mean, for me, it's like on the west side, 00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:46.240 - if a certain kind of industry came in 00:32:47.420 --> 00:32:52.420 - that wasn't going to have a lot of employees, 00:32:52.420 --> 00:32:56.720 - but they would have their AD would be such, 00:32:56.720 --> 00:33:01.720 - it would help with monies that might come to us, 00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:06.080 - then we wouldn't have to worry about things 00:33:06.080 --> 00:33:08.920 - like if it was a different kind of project, 00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:10.780 - like a life science project, 00:33:10.780 --> 00:33:14.240 - where it's gonna have four, 600 people 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:15.360 - that's going to work there. 00:33:15.360 --> 00:33:17.360 - All of a sudden, we'd be under the gun 00:33:17.360 --> 00:33:19.840 - to talk about infrastructure improvements, 00:33:19.840 --> 00:33:23.520 - particularly Flatwoods and Starnes Road, 00:33:23.520 --> 00:33:25.640 - and maybe even Starnes and Reeves. 00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:29.160 - So then we'd really be under the gun 00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:31.120 - to figure out what we want to do. 00:33:31.120 --> 00:33:33.720 - So those scenarios, we had to play them out 00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:35.660 - and figure out what we want to do. 00:33:35.660 --> 00:33:40.660 - I mean, in my mind, road infrastructure 00:33:40.660 --> 00:33:45.000 - on Flatwoods Road, Starnes Road, and Reeves Road, 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:49.520 - particularly the Reeves Road and Starnes Road intersection, 00:33:49.520 --> 00:33:53.480 - back to the school, we really ought to be keen 00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:58.480 - on working towards improving that to the point 00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:01.740 - where, say, 10 years from now, 00:34:01.740 --> 00:34:06.740 - the road from Sales and 46 up to the school, 00:34:06.740 --> 00:34:10.880 - where all the development's going on, 00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:13.360 - and obviously there's school traffic, 00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:16.520 - we need to be in a position where we can hold out 00:34:16.520 --> 00:34:19.640 - for a year or two and close that, 00:34:19.640 --> 00:34:24.640 - maybe put in a boulevard up to that portion of Sales Street. 00:34:24.640 --> 00:34:30.640 - And then, so by utilizing the TIF and the activity 00:34:30.640 --> 00:34:32.680 - and improvements that need to be done 00:34:32.680 --> 00:34:34.960 - in that area that's going to develop anyway, 00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:37.880 - you also would get the benefit of having 00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:42.880 - that secondary ingress, egress to the school campus 00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:47.160 - and you could afford to shut down, say, on 46 right now, 00:34:47.160 --> 00:34:49.200 - if you shut it down, it'd be a mess. 00:34:49.200 --> 00:34:52.520 - But if you plan for that, then you can, 00:34:52.520 --> 00:34:56.280 - one thing begets another, and then overall, 00:34:56.280 --> 00:35:01.280 - in say 10 or 15 years, you'd have that whole traffic 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:04.400 - infrastructure in place that would, you know, 00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:09.960 - serve the community as it goes farther west. 00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:13.840 - I mean, that's just, I mean, that's what I'm really thinking. 00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:16.280 - And it's, you know, killed two birds with one stone. 00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:19.520 - As an early priority is opening things up that way. 00:35:19.520 --> 00:35:22.240 - But that kind of thing-- - I think so. 00:35:22.240 --> 00:35:23.640 - Very important issue would be helpful. 00:35:23.640 --> 00:35:24.880 - partner talking about that kind of thing 00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:27.140 - during a work session, I think playing those out, 00:35:27.140 --> 00:35:30.000 - those ideas, those scenarios out is helpful to me, 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:30.840 - I don't know about the rest of us. 00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:33.520 - Right, on the west side, all infrastructure 00:35:33.520 --> 00:35:36.840 - is in really good shape, with redundancy, 00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:40.800 - two different utilities and three or four different 00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:44.280 - types of utilities, but the one weakness is 00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:47.480 - the road infrastructure, and it's not bad shape right now, 00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:51.320 - it handles all the traffic fine, but would you, 00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:55.080 - if you shut down the sale street going back towards 00:35:55.080 --> 00:36:00.080 - the school, it could be crazy for a while, so anyway. 00:36:00.080 --> 00:36:06.320 - Well, I'm open for that, the board is to make 00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:09.480 - one of our meetings that we would generally probably sit on 00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:11.400 - 'cause there's not a whole lot of information, 00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:14.560 - but to sit and kind of revisit a game plan 00:36:14.560 --> 00:36:16.760 - and have a working game plan that we can modify. 00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:19.040 - Once we have a working game plan, as things come 00:36:19.040 --> 00:36:21.680 - or don't come, we can modify, but if we don't have it, 00:36:21.680 --> 00:36:23.920 - I know you've got a lot of it right here, which is great, 00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:26.220 - I'm so glad that you're an asset for us, 00:36:26.220 --> 00:36:30.160 - but I'd love to see some of that stuff kind of written out 00:36:30.160 --> 00:36:34.280 - or somewhere where we could change it and modify it later on. 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:35.720 - I'm gonna donate my brain to that. 00:36:35.720 --> 00:36:37.920 - Would you please, to science? 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:41.360 - I'm just gonna be able to jar in that potato. 00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:43.560 - AI's coming, man, don't laugh. 00:36:43.560 --> 00:36:45.560 - I was laughing. 00:36:45.560 --> 00:36:46.380 - Yeah. 00:36:46.380 --> 00:36:47.220 - There's a hand up. 00:36:47.220 --> 00:36:48.960 - I'm sorry. 00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:53.640 - Clark. 00:36:53.640 --> 00:36:57.800 - Good afternoon, Commissioner Hatt. 00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:01.640 - I would be, the VEDC would be more willing to come in 00:37:01.640 --> 00:37:04.000 - and sit down with you guys and talk to you 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:06.200 - about some of the scenarios that we've seen, 00:37:06.200 --> 00:37:07.600 - some of the site visits. 00:37:07.600 --> 00:37:09.400 - What happens when somebody comes in 00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:13.400 - to look at a piece of property 00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:15.520 - and the different scenarios that kind of take place? 00:37:15.520 --> 00:37:18.280 - We just recently went through one in Monroe County, 00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:22.800 - so we're more than happy to offer some of our knowledge 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:24.840 - and expertise and some of the things that we've seen 00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:26.880 - and witnessed and worked through. 00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:28.360 - So happy to do that. 00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:30.000 - Yeah, Clark, I think that would be fantastic. 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:31.400 - That's exactly what I'm looking for. 00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:34.800 - So we're not trying to invent another process 00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:36.960 - when the day comes, but we've been able to learn 00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:39.800 - some processes already done by other development committees. 00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:41.960 - So I would definitely take you up on that. 00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:44.840 - Happy to do it. 00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:45.680 - Thank you. 00:37:45.680 --> 00:37:53.520 - So with June, have we decided that we're gonna do one 00:37:53.520 --> 00:37:55.120 - and not the other, then we can make the other one 00:37:55.120 --> 00:37:57.160 - into working and who can make it can make it. 00:37:57.160 --> 00:37:58.360 - Maybe we could check with Clark. 00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:00.720 - I think we decided the ninth, 00:38:00.720 --> 00:38:03.520 - but I have something else to add to Darla's plate too. 00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:09.800 - I just noticed on the list of the West side, 00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:13.840 - if this part that sticks out is part of what we drew, 00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:16.280 - those are all county parcels also. 00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:20.680 - And those do not look like they'd be right aways 00:38:20.680 --> 00:38:24.760 - along star and flat woods. 00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:27.800 - They've all been annexed and just aren't reflected in that. 00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:30.040 - Okay, okay, good. 00:38:30.040 --> 00:38:31.720 - That's the unbarter parcel. 00:38:31.720 --> 00:38:34.320 - All right, I was hoping it was something 00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:35.720 - easy with that. 00:38:35.720 --> 00:38:36.760 - How long does it usually take 00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:38.920 - to get those converted over, do you know? 00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:41.480 - Well, if the map is possible, 00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:45.560 - this is where we started, so it may have been changed. 00:38:45.560 --> 00:38:46.480 - Okay. 00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:51.480 - Already, this may just be a little older 00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:52.920 - 'cause it's been used. 00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:54.400 - I just didn't know if we had to adopt 00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:57.360 - the new parcel numbers or the existing ones. 00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:00.960 - Do you know? 00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:01.840 - I don't know. 00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:05.320 - I think as long as the auditor can find it 00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:09.360 - and designated as a TIP district, 00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:13.000 - I don't think it's gonna matter for our purposes. 00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:13.840 - Good. 00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:24.680 - Mike, was that it for you? 00:39:24.680 --> 00:39:25.520 - Yes. 00:39:25.520 --> 00:39:28.120 - Anybody else on the committee have anything to say 00:39:28.120 --> 00:39:31.480 - or add or hot to stir or some new information? 00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:34.000 - No, I've already done enough today. 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:35.240 - Just so I'm clear, 00:39:35.240 --> 00:39:38.000 - work session scheduled for June the 9th 00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:41.280 - and canceled the June 20th. 00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:43.480 - Well, weren't we doing a meeting June 9th? 00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:46.560 - Because if we have to approve Darrell's information. 00:39:46.560 --> 00:39:49.160 - Keep that and then maybe bump that to July. 00:39:49.160 --> 00:39:49.980 - Right. 00:39:49.980 --> 00:39:50.820 - Okay. 00:39:50.820 --> 00:39:52.960 - And then potentially do a working meeting on the 23rd? 00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:55.440 - Potentially a work session on the 23rd. 00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:56.520 - Or July. 00:39:56.520 --> 00:39:57.360 - Yeah. 00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:59.880 - Okay, so you guys can decide on the 9th then, 00:39:59.880 --> 00:40:01.760 - on the 23rd. - Right, on the 23rd. 00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:03.400 - On the 23rd, yeah. 00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:05.000 - Is it different, is it something else? 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:09.200 - On the 23rd, we're gonna be all glad-handed and... 00:40:09.200 --> 00:40:10.880 - I'd say we push work to July. 00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:13.200 - Through the new digs and all that stuff. 00:40:13.200 --> 00:40:16.160 - So maybe in July, we can do a working meeting? 00:40:16.160 --> 00:40:17.120 - Yeah. 00:40:17.120 --> 00:40:19.600 - Yeah, the first meeting's on the 14th. 00:40:19.600 --> 00:40:21.480 - So it's glad. 00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:23.120 - And that would give enough time for the BEDC 00:40:23.120 --> 00:40:26.920 - to be here to talk to, to get somebody, I would hope. 00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:28.560 - Would that help, Clark? 00:40:29.560 --> 00:40:31.120 - (sniffling) 00:40:31.120 --> 00:40:32.640 - Yeah, that would work great. 00:40:32.640 --> 00:40:38.920 - June 9th, regular meeting, 23rd, canceled. 00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:44.560 - BEDC, right on July... 00:40:44.560 --> 00:40:45.400 - 14th. 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:46.240 - 13th or 14th? 00:40:46.240 --> 00:40:47.060 - 14th. 00:40:47.060 --> 00:40:47.900 - 13th? 00:40:47.900 --> 00:40:49.000 - 14th. - 14th, sorry. 00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:52.280 - Will that be a working meeting or a open meeting? 00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:56.720 - I'm trying to figure out if we had some time with Clark 00:40:56.720 --> 00:40:58.560 - where we could sit across the table 00:40:58.560 --> 00:40:59.840 - and just throw stuff back and forth. 00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:02.060 - We couldn't get a lot of stuff straightened out, 00:41:02.060 --> 00:41:04.240 - that we, it's not so easy to do. 00:41:04.240 --> 00:41:06.080 - I guess we can here too, but... 00:41:06.080 --> 00:41:07.600 - Yeah, so the only problem with that 00:41:07.600 --> 00:41:09.600 - is if there are two or more of you together, 00:41:09.600 --> 00:41:11.280 - it would be considered a meeting. 00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:12.360 - A working meeting, no. 00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:14.160 - A working meeting, we can have a work session. 00:41:14.160 --> 00:41:15.320 - Work session, that's what you call it. 00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:16.880 - But we still would have to... 00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:19.400 - We still have to do the 48-hour notice. 00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:22.440 - And we'd still have to make it available to the public. 00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:23.840 - Right, that's fine. 00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:25.560 - I don't think there's much difference 00:41:25.560 --> 00:41:27.120 - between a work session and a meeting. 00:41:27.120 --> 00:41:29.160 - No votes, that's really the only difference 00:41:29.160 --> 00:41:30.760 - is a work session, you're not allowed 00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:33.240 - to take any voting action on anything. 00:41:33.240 --> 00:41:36.360 - And then a regular meeting, you can have a voting action. 00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:38.640 - Which that's gonna be an informational meeting anyways. 00:41:38.640 --> 00:41:41.680 - But I think what Gary brings up is a problem 00:41:41.680 --> 00:41:44.480 - because a lot of these things are very tiny, 00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:45.880 - even with the screens. 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:47.160 - I mean, we've got great screens, 00:41:47.160 --> 00:41:49.960 - but I don't know if our eyes are matching 00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:51.080 - how good the screens are. 00:41:51.080 --> 00:41:52.400 - I don't mind our... 00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:53.240 - I know, yeah. 00:41:53.240 --> 00:41:54.480 - Yeah, so, I mean, that's the nice thing 00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:57.240 - that it was a nice little, I think it would work for me. 00:41:57.240 --> 00:41:59.560 - I think of maps and people across the counter 00:41:59.560 --> 00:42:00.920 - and moving things back and forth 00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:02.920 - and actually getting some stuff done 00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:04.800 - instead of me looking at that thing, 00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:07.200 - thinking, well, I hope William knows what he's talking about, 00:42:07.200 --> 00:42:09.360 - but I can't see it from here. 00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:12.440 - Well, we can, I don't know what it'll do to cats, 00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:16.480 - but we totally can, a lot of times we push tables together 00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:21.280 - so everybody's in close proximity to whatever we're working on. 00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:23.760 - 'Cause even in there, we're not gonna have a screen 00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:25.720 - that we can all see closely. 00:42:25.720 --> 00:42:31.800 - Well, I guess with that being said, 00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:33.800 - we have our meetings that we need, 00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:36.320 - so you're clear on your part. 00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:40.740 - The floor, any other comments or no? 00:42:40.740 --> 00:42:43.340 - Mike's good, we're good. 00:42:43.340 --> 00:42:46.760 - Would you like the maps blown up, 00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:48.400 - is that what I'm understanding, 00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:50.600 - for the next working meeting? 00:42:50.600 --> 00:42:53.460 - I'd be great, I'd like this. 00:42:53.820 --> 00:42:56.380 - I'll be honest with you, even with these, 00:42:56.380 --> 00:42:57.780 - unless I had something else to look at, 00:42:57.780 --> 00:42:59.540 - some of these little numbers on that thing, 00:42:59.540 --> 00:43:02.260 - I don't know about you guys, but I can kind of see it. 00:43:02.260 --> 00:43:05.900 - We did appropriate money in office supplies to do that. 00:43:05.900 --> 00:43:08.460 - There's money in there to pay for it. 00:43:08.460 --> 00:43:11.980 - Well, would it be helpful if you had some names? 00:43:11.980 --> 00:43:12.820 - Yes. 00:43:12.820 --> 00:43:16.060 - On here that we, maybe Denise and I 00:43:16.060 --> 00:43:17.860 - could identify some of them? 00:43:17.860 --> 00:43:20.540 - The street names. 00:43:20.540 --> 00:43:23.340 - Yeah, the streets being a little clearer. 00:43:23.340 --> 00:43:27.460 - The street names, can you overlay the street names 00:43:27.460 --> 00:43:29.300 - or streets on this? 00:43:29.300 --> 00:43:35.480 - I can print a very large map if you want. 00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:37.860 - I prefer a very large map than four or five, 00:43:37.860 --> 00:43:39.940 - eight and a half by 11's trying to put them together 00:43:39.940 --> 00:43:41.140 - like a puzzle. 00:43:41.140 --> 00:43:45.100 - I mean, like the flat maps that size. 00:43:45.100 --> 00:43:47.860 - Well, even if we had one that you could put up somewhere, 00:43:47.860 --> 00:43:49.500 - just a big one, we could go up with this thing 00:43:49.500 --> 00:43:50.340 - and actually look at it. 00:43:50.340 --> 00:43:52.300 - I have nothing where I can really look at 00:43:52.300 --> 00:43:53.340 - and pull all this together. 00:43:53.340 --> 00:43:56.020 - And again, I'm not a big map reader. 00:43:56.020 --> 00:43:59.420 - That might be, you guys maybe look at those maps 00:43:59.420 --> 00:44:00.480 - and figure it all out. 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:02.420 - It's still a little Greek to me. 00:44:02.420 --> 00:44:05.460 - Well, when you did the first maps, 00:44:05.460 --> 00:44:07.380 - they were just regular maps 00:44:07.380 --> 00:44:11.140 - and you drew the line around where the tip was. 00:44:11.140 --> 00:44:14.260 - And that might be like an aerial map might be better 00:44:14.260 --> 00:44:17.180 - 'cause then you'll be able to identify what you're talking 00:44:17.180 --> 00:44:20.220 - about and then, is that what you're talking about? 00:44:20.220 --> 00:44:22.540 - Yeah, it is, it's map for idiots. 00:44:22.540 --> 00:44:25.980 - Instead of this, I mean, I can't even read this. 00:44:25.980 --> 00:44:28.020 - I can kind of tell where it's at now. 00:44:28.020 --> 00:44:31.520 - So that'd be great. 00:44:31.520 --> 00:44:34.820 - Anything you can do to help us. 00:44:34.820 --> 00:44:37.900 - Yes, some of us are a little over. 00:44:37.900 --> 00:44:41.220 - Well, that's fair. 00:44:41.220 --> 00:44:42.260 - I just think it helps pull it all together 00:44:42.260 --> 00:44:44.620 - before we go to our next step of our plan 00:44:44.620 --> 00:44:47.420 - if we know exactly the geography, where it goes. 00:44:47.420 --> 00:44:49.940 - So I think that being said, privilege to the floor. 00:44:50.060 --> 00:44:53.260 - And I think we can adjourn the meeting 00:44:53.260 --> 00:44:57.460 - for the ELSO Development Commission 00:44:57.460 --> 00:45:00.900 - for Tuesday, May 27th, 2025. 00:45:00.900 --> 00:45:03.480 - Thank you. 00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:12.400 - (orchestral music) 00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:16.320 - (orchestral music) 00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:19.240 - (orchestral music) 00:45:19.240 --> 00:45:22.160 - (orchestral music) 00:45:22.160 --> 00:45:25.080 - (orchestral music) 00:45:25.080 --> 00:45:28.000 - (orchestral music) 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:30.920 - 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