Recording in progress I guess we'll say the prayer here Lord I know that we cannot do this on our own we need your strength to carry us through the day please give us the courage to face any challenges that comes our way the resilience to keep going even when it gets tough amen one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all okay the roll call here here here here doctor hash then I guess we have to prove the minutes of April 28th 2025 meeting so moved yes Tom Corman yes Trevor Sager yes motion passes I guess our new business clarification of the tip parcel numbers slash descriptions so the Redevelopment Commission members will recall that after the Redevelopment Commission passed its resolution at the second meeting in February certifying certain areas as tip districts the town was required to provide copies of that to the auditor's office and so the auditor found a few discrepancies and considering this is our first time and we had over 150 parcels I thought that was pretty good but anyway Stephanie Carter has been very helpful and what she did was she put together a spreadsheet for both Westside TIF and the downtown TIF and she said here's what I see as the problems and either she found parcels that were either in the legal but not in the plat with the parcel numbers or vice versa okay so then I passed those along to Bynumfano Bynumfano got back to me and they reviewed it and they have an opinion which I have now passed on to Stephanie Carter but here's where we're at and I think it's mostly good news so we're going to start with the Westside TIF because I think that is the easiest and on page two of your packet you will see the spreadsheet that Stephanie Carter prepared setting forth what she thought were the discrepancies on the next page in the red is Bynumfano's response and part of the problem may be when we sent the documents over to the auditor's office we're sending plats with tiny print so they're hard to read so Bynumfano looked at it and he said or the gentleman I spoke to is Tom Tom Nugent and I want to call him Ted Nugent anyway so he went through him and he said well he says I think it's all right meaning all of the parcel numbers that we included in the plat map were also included in the legal except for C which is what you see there on the first page parcel C was neither included in the legal or the plat map the parcel map like you have in front of you so assuming the auditor's office agrees I don't think we have to do anything to clear up the Westside TIF but parcel C which has an address of 8634 West Flatwoods is not going to be part of the TIF district so if the Redevelopment Commission is wedded to having that parcel in the TIF district right now we'll have to make arrangements to do that but I think what we need to do is basically start over in other words you have a declaratory resolution adding it goes to the Plan Commission back to council back to you folks for a declaratory resolution so like I said assuming the auditor agrees with Bynum Fanny of analysis I don't think we need to do anything to correct the Westside TIF I think we're good sure as I understand it yeah because Bynum Fanny is saying they didn't think it was included in the drawing or the description okay if it was any yeah any parcel that was neither in the drawing or neither nor neither in the drawing nor in the legal description I think you have to start over to give fair notice to the public what's being included in the TIF district so after Denise has made that comment I will go back and check but as of now the opinion is C was not included in either so so we don't need any action in this right now we're just correct waiting to see the sea of telling you what the what the opinions are so far with regard to the discrepancy so let's go to the section C is this one of those areas that were part of the Tech Park will we need to include that what okay so unless it converted to agriculture or commercial wouldn't really matter anyway but I'm saying there's no rush to do it yeah not a problem if it's already in there great if not it's something we can kick a can on no it's right past this is a flatwoods and 46 that was that right there at the intersection all right so then we moved to the downtown tip and mr. Nugent's opinion was that he had reviewed the auditors discrepancies and he agreed that some of the parcel numbers were missing and so he added it to the tables which is are the next couple pages in your packet I have provided to you what the Redevelopment Commission passed in February of 2025 and then the next two pages after that are the revised charts is prepared by buying fan you so if you overlay one over the other you can see there's not much difference what he's done is what by the fan you was done it's just kind of clear things up so the buying fan yo added the missing parcel numbers he added he said the weaver property had been drawn in at the incorrect location so he corrected the location which is now K on revised May 2025 page 1 plat and he also designated the trustees office and the town's property 101 South Park he gave them letters so we now have K L and M which were not they were not previously identified as such on the plat map that the Redevelopment Commission passed so he's just clarified that the auditor's office also asked buying and fan yo to provide parcel numbers for the in dot right away so he's done that and there are two parcels that you will see on the last two pages that are blue lined in that buying and fan you took from elevate the auditor's office had some questions about those parcels and mr. Nugent just included that in his email to me to show that they had as far as he could tell they had valid parcel numbers in other words he didn't know where the or how the auditor's office determined that those were not valid parcel numbers so again I passed this all along to the auditor's office so they can take a look at it but I think that if the auditor's office agrees with buying and find buying and fan yo's assessment with regard to the downtown tip all we need to do is just pass it a resolution modifying and clarifying the parcel numbers and just attach the maps and the slightly revised legal when will the auditor's office look at it I don't know but they have been pretty helpful so I see two issues here with an area K we have one parcel that's not in the town inventory in area L one parcel it's not in the town inventory the prefix is - zero one one which is just Richland Township zero one three is the town of Ellitsville actually area M also has that too so these are not considered town of Ellitsville parsley we're say those again William so I can look at them area K L and M the very last one on each one of them ends in - zero one I see that those are Richland Township parcel numbers everything should be zero one three because I don't think we have authority that NX things outside the town correct if it's not within the town corporate limits it can't be part of your tip district that's right and so these this parcel number showing it's not these three parcel numbers okay I will take a look at those some of these are part of there's a couple parcels in between there that are not in the town so I'm like Campbell's Drive which is parallel to you and I think it was so I wonder if that's what it picked up is there any way to pull it up on elevate now just to see what we're looking at on those okay good catch William I wouldn't have even been thinking that what you said yeah I am here apologize for being tardy going back on I apologize for not catching this on the west side too it looks like we have some that are not annexed yeah oh and eights yep which ones William a B C D and E and F by B C D and E there oh one eight which I'm I think is being blossom but I'm not a hundred percent sure so you'll see over to their South Park Street and in between South Campbell's Park Road I just wonder if it picked up those parcels there's five parcels there in the road county it doesn't look like it from the drawing would anybody have an objection if I stood up to get closer to the monitors I can take your point yeah I see what he's saying Darla, can you see the yellow outline? Mm-hmm. Do you want me to get off the zone layers to see it better? So right where my mouse is? Right. So I typed in area K, and that's the parcel number ending in zero one one. That's what it came out to be. But area K is not on the zone map. It's off, can't draw it off of it. I know, but I entered the parcel number, so that's where it came up. And then I'll enter under L that parcel number. (speaking faintly) The blue outline is area L, the zero one one parcel ending in zero one one, that's where it came out. I wonder if that's right away, in dot right away. But call on Denise. That parcel number does not end, it ends in dash zero, not point one one. And it should be dash zero one one. (speaking faintly) I believe that is right away. Okay, it just didn't go over far, okay, good. (speaking faintly) Is that the utilities put in there? (speaking faintly) Yeah. Right away? It's the old fire station. Yeah, it's gotta be right away then. Yeah, it looks like right away to me. Yeah. And normally, in dot right away, it goes in and it comes back out, just like that. (speaking faintly) The other one may be right away too. And Darla, that blue outline is the dash 011 under airbag. Okay. That one is? (speaking faintly) Where is that? What is that one? (speaking faintly) Okay. Is that Heart Street and Campbell Park? Mm-hmm. So it also includes part of 46 going down into Heart Street. Some on both sides of Heart Street. Okay, is that where the bridge is? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. So it might-- It's gotta be. Put you out there too. I know that's not a technical term, but. So do we need to remove those from it? Because we'd have no legal authority over those, correct? Right, but let me double check because the original, the one that was passed, the first one that Bynum-Fanyu did, the one that the RDC passed, has K, L, and M ending in zero, one, three. So, and I thought Baker-Tilley had gone through them originally back in November to say there were certain parcels that were not part of the town as far as they could tell. So they had already vetted it, but I'm just going to have to go back and look at emails and look these up on Elevate. But yes, to answer your question, if it's not within the corporate limits, then. Which side? Can you have Activities Mike on that, that parcel on the bridge? Well, we're putting our trail on the other side of the road so I'd have to look at it a little bit. There would be nothing we would ever do with it. I don't know if any of them, maybe a statue or. They wouldn't let you put anything on it. Right. Well, then there's still the question about the 018s. Yeah. - On the west side. Correct, we've got. Well, 018 is the town's jurisdiction on the west side. For Bean Blossom, it's Ellisville town, Bean Blossom. Correct. - Okay. Okay, interesting. Okay. So if we're going to 018, I'd like to say that one I wasn't sure about. That's all I have. - Okay. Was that all the clarification on the tip? The parcel numbers, the transcriptions? Well, I thought that was gonna be clarifying, but apparently it was not. I had more homework to do, so yes, that's all I have to do. - Okay. I'm wondering if the auditor's instructions to include right-of-ways conflicted with that, 'cause if we don't own the right-of-ways, we can't include them in the tip. So maybe that's what they included him. Well, I think the auditor requested Bynum-Fanyu to put them in there, so. If we include them, and they shouldn't be, and their right-of-ways will never work anyway, is it, I mean, does it cause any legal problems for us? No, she, the auditor may have wanted it just to have a complete record, so. But when we officially pass the ordinance, should we, or if we correct it, should we pass it with those in there, since again, we don't have the authority, whether we're gonna use it or not, I don't want this later on to be challenged, the whole TIF district, because we have invalid parcels in there. And could that possibly happen? Well, the honest answer is I don't know. Okay. - But I will find out from the auditor why they wanted those included. All right. Well, if we let them out, what's the harm there, and then we're covered, right? I would think so, because it sounds like they may, and this again is just speculation, they may have only been put in to satisfy the auditor's request for right of ways, which would conflict with our authority to do anything, but we don't need those in the TIF anyway, 'cause we can't do anything to them. Yeah. - So it's kind of a circular logic. So it's really a minor issue, but you're concerned it could become a major one. If we pass it with those in there, yes. I would much be more comfortable, unless Darla finds that otherwise, to pass it without those parcels, because that we are 100% clear on. It's ours, we're good. Well, from a fundraising standpoint, from the tax thing, it's not gonna make a difference anyway. Correct. - Correct. But it could potentially, from a legal standpoint, be a place where we could be fracked, and it might be an issue with our TIF down the road. Challenge them, just to see if the batteries, yeah. So where do we leave that? We leave it with you to come back with us, or we decide just to go ahead and, and then we'll decide whether to peel them out then? Correct. I'll find out more, and then I will let you know. Awesome, thank you. I'm sure we'll have the first town or city to have this. Right, so I get what you're saying. You don't want things to be going around really nice and down the road has to come back in and try to break up of our TIF, because it was something from a legal, descriptive standpoint, incorrect. All right, we move along. How about privilege to the floor? Anybody, you sure? You look like you have something on your mind. I have one thing we can talk about right now if you like. So on June 23rd, we're talking about having an open house and a ceremony for the DPW building. It's tentative right now, but I'm pretty sure that's when we want to have it. I'll be talking to the board about having maybe even have a meeting in the training room, just kind of break it in. Maybe we can have something real controversial to talk about or something. But anyway, that's just details. But anyway, on the 23rd, so it might be a good meeting not to have with RDC. I'm just thinking ahead. We'll not be here for the next meeting on the 9th if the commission so chooses to have that meeting also. The 16th is the regular scheduled meeting. No, 9th and 23rd. I thought it was the 9th. It is the 9th. Oh, it is, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. So I didn't know if there was anything scheduled that we could take off the entire month or if the commission wanted to meet or I just wanted to put that up there. Do we think we'll have clarification on these parcels by then or? I hope so. Yeah. The 9th or the 23rd? The 9th, I'm hoping. I'd say keep the 9th, scratch the 23rd. That's just me. I think I can do the clerk's job if you want. I mean the secretary's job of taking over. (laughing) I'll have to do it. Glass houses. Yeah. I'll have the minutes prepared for you so it'll be fine. Thank you. So if it goes out that on the 23rd we don't have a meeting, you're okay with that? What's your problem? I don't see an issue. Okay, you will be invited to the opening. Well fantastic. Are we still at a point where we're just finishing, this is a question for the board or for the committee, from the committee. I love all the stuff on getting all the legal descriptions and whatnot down and starting the TIFs and deciding what TIFs we want and do that kind of thing, but where do we get into, when do we start getting into the meat of this thing of actually doing something with the TIF or the TIF having some type of impact on what's going on with the community or some future planning or whatnot. I get this idea of forming this, but then I also thought at one point we had to start looking, oh we don't have any money now, I get that. So is it not till we get money then we all of a sudden start doing the utilities and the stuff where business can come here and we're set up and ready to go. Well at some point we're gonna have to start thinking about priorities, they'll always change. And so don't you think Denise that we ought to start looking at priorities so we can kind of get ahead of when there is money to be had. That makes sense. Instead of sitting here, oh we got money, now what do we do? And we take three meetings to discuss that. This way when the money comes in, we know. And at some point I'm going to ask council and I can start working on a riverfront district. I'm not sure with the board's approval and the town board's approval, that shouldn't be a priority. I thought we already submitted the information for it. For the tip and then we outline that area through the tip. But I think we still need to bring it into our zone. I think I checked with Darla though, has a riverfront district, that's what's allowed. Does that go to this board first? No. - Okay. They'll go to the planning commission first, I think. But Darla would correct me on that. Well, so are you saying we should, you're asking if everybody wants to start the process? Yeah, at some point I'll ask town council if they're ready to start. I thought we already said yes. Oh, you did? I really thought we, I mean, I have an impression we already started moving forward with that. Well, let's look at the minutes and bring it up at the ninth meeting. As of June 9th meeting as an agenda item, if it's not rushing you. Well, I just like the idea if this is where we are, this is what we need to do from guidelines and structure standpoint, I'm totally fine with that. But if we get to the point where we need to have some working meetings and look where we can actually see the screens when they're not so far away, we can't see them and kind of come up with some plans of where we're gonna go next. I don't wanna miss a meeting or cancel a meeting if there's something I can be doing for RDC to be ready for the next step. And if there's not, I'm ahead of myself, that's okay. I've been there many times. But reality is I like to see where we go next and be proactive and so that's just my talking out loud to the other members and the people here of what's our next venture. Yeah, and so I can take you out pretty far five or 10 years on what I think we should be doing. We've talked about it, Denise and I, enough that I think we could really have a work session on what we think we ought to do, what priority it is. Correct me if I'm wrong, Denise, but if a certain type of business was to land here and need this and that and the other, then we might be pressed to move forward or-- - Shift priorities. Accelerate what we're doing as a RDC board to make deals or promises that would enhance the economic development. I mean, there may be things they ask for that we might not be able to give them now, but I don't know how all that works, but it just seems like the RDC might be heavily involved in deciding whether we make some kind of concessions or work with a company that wants to come in town infrastructure-wise, so I don't know how that all works, but so it seems like we really oughta have a good two, five, and 10-year plan on how we would spend monies we might have in the future. Obviously, there's millions of dollars that are gonna be spent on a couple of projects out here, millions of dollars, and so there's gonna be, funds are gonna be generated, so I think we oughta know where we're heading, so that oughta be our work in the future is to make that plan. Can we do a working meeting? We talked about that before, where we can kind of get an idea of here's where we are, here's what's ahead of us. I mean, I'd like to have an idea that somebody came in and stuff happened that I knew where we stood to begin with so I could figure out where these other things work into the plan. At this point, I think I'm still a little shaky on where we stand on the next, to make things actually happen. Right, right. Let's just talk about the tips and bringing in the money. How do we actually get these things going? The woman comes to us or someone else comes to us and says, "Hey, you got some business wants to come here." Are we even ready with a outline on how to make that happen? Yeah, I mean, I don't know how to answer it. Go ahead. Part of it is you're not going to know until you know what kind of business it is and what their needs are and what they're asking for. But I understand you just want to get a grip on the process. Well, I think having some categories of, at least of the priorities, what are the big things that we're looking for? Maybe start talking about some of the possibilities. Maybe come up with our toolbox, what we have to help. What do we actually have to help them? A, do they fit? B, what can we do to help them? I get the idea of changing your priorities based on who turns in and who actually comes in and is ready to go. But I think the idea of working would be helpful for me. I don't know if it would be good for you guys or not. Yeah, I mean, we could just run through all the scenarios. I mean, for me, it's like on the west side, if a certain kind of industry came in that wasn't going to have a lot of employees, but they would have their AD would be such, it would help with monies that might come to us, then we wouldn't have to worry about things like if it was a different kind of project, like a life science project, where it's gonna have four, 600 people that's going to work there. All of a sudden, we'd be under the gun to talk about infrastructure improvements, particularly Flatwoods and Starnes Road, and maybe even Starnes and Reeves. So then we'd really be under the gun to figure out what we want to do. So those scenarios, we had to play them out and figure out what we want to do. I mean, in my mind, road infrastructure on Flatwoods Road, Starnes Road, and Reeves Road, particularly the Reeves Road and Starnes Road intersection, back to the school, we really ought to be keen on working towards improving that to the point where, say, 10 years from now, the road from Sales and 46 up to the school, where all the development's going on, and obviously there's school traffic, we need to be in a position where we can hold out for a year or two and close that, maybe put in a boulevard up to that portion of Sales Street. And then, so by utilizing the TIF and the activity and improvements that need to be done in that area that's going to develop anyway, you also would get the benefit of having that secondary ingress, egress to the school campus and you could afford to shut down, say, on 46 right now, if you shut it down, it'd be a mess. But if you plan for that, then you can, one thing begets another, and then overall, in say 10 or 15 years, you'd have that whole traffic infrastructure in place that would, you know, serve the community as it goes farther west. I mean, that's just, I mean, that's what I'm really thinking. And it's, you know, killed two birds with one stone. As an early priority is opening things up that way. But that kind of thing-- - I think so. Very important issue would be helpful. partner talking about that kind of thing during a work session, I think playing those out, those ideas, those scenarios out is helpful to me, I don't know about the rest of us. Right, on the west side, all infrastructure is in really good shape, with redundancy, two different utilities and three or four different types of utilities, but the one weakness is the road infrastructure, and it's not bad shape right now, it handles all the traffic fine, but would you, if you shut down the sale street going back towards the school, it could be crazy for a while, so anyway. Well, I'm open for that, the board is to make one of our meetings that we would generally probably sit on 'cause there's not a whole lot of information, but to sit and kind of revisit a game plan and have a working game plan that we can modify. Once we have a working game plan, as things come or don't come, we can modify, but if we don't have it, I know you've got a lot of it right here, which is great, I'm so glad that you're an asset for us, but I'd love to see some of that stuff kind of written out or somewhere where we could change it and modify it later on. I'm gonna donate my brain to that. Would you please, to science? I'm just gonna be able to jar in that potato. AI's coming, man, don't laugh. I was laughing. Yeah. There's a hand up. I'm sorry. Clark. Good afternoon, Commissioner Hatt. I would be, the VEDC would be more willing to come in and sit down with you guys and talk to you about some of the scenarios that we've seen, some of the site visits. What happens when somebody comes in to look at a piece of property and the different scenarios that kind of take place? We just recently went through one in Monroe County, so we're more than happy to offer some of our knowledge and expertise and some of the things that we've seen and witnessed and worked through. So happy to do that. Yeah, Clark, I think that would be fantastic. That's exactly what I'm looking for. So we're not trying to invent another process when the day comes, but we've been able to learn some processes already done by other development committees. So I would definitely take you up on that. Happy to do it. Thank you. So with June, have we decided that we're gonna do one and not the other, then we can make the other one into working and who can make it can make it. Maybe we could check with Clark. I think we decided the ninth, but I have something else to add to Darla's plate too. I just noticed on the list of the West side, if this part that sticks out is part of what we drew, those are all county parcels also. And those do not look like they'd be right aways along star and flat woods. They've all been annexed and just aren't reflected in that. Okay, okay, good. That's the unbarter parcel. All right, I was hoping it was something easy with that. How long does it usually take to get those converted over, do you know? Well, if the map is possible, this is where we started, so it may have been changed. Okay. Already, this may just be a little older 'cause it's been used. I just didn't know if we had to adopt the new parcel numbers or the existing ones. Do you know? I don't know. I think as long as the auditor can find it and designated as a TIP district, I don't think it's gonna matter for our purposes. Good. Mike, was that it for you? Yes. Anybody else on the committee have anything to say or add or hot to stir or some new information? No, I've already done enough today. Just so I'm clear, work session scheduled for June the 9th and canceled the June 20th. Well, weren't we doing a meeting June 9th? Because if we have to approve Darrell's information. Keep that and then maybe bump that to July. Right. Okay. And then potentially do a working meeting on the 23rd? Potentially a work session on the 23rd. Or July. Yeah. Okay, so you guys can decide on the 9th then, on the 23rd. - Right, on the 23rd. On the 23rd, yeah. Is it different, is it something else? On the 23rd, we're gonna be all glad-handed and... I'd say we push work to July. Through the new digs and all that stuff. So maybe in July, we can do a working meeting? Yeah. Yeah, the first meeting's on the 14th. So it's glad. And that would give enough time for the BEDC to be here to talk to, to get somebody, I would hope. Would that help, Clark? (sniffling) Yeah, that would work great. June 9th, regular meeting, 23rd, canceled. BEDC, right on July... 14th. 13th or 14th? 14th. 13th? 14th. - 14th, sorry. Will that be a working meeting or a open meeting? I'm trying to figure out if we had some time with Clark where we could sit across the table and just throw stuff back and forth. We couldn't get a lot of stuff straightened out, that we, it's not so easy to do. I guess we can here too, but... Yeah, so the only problem with that is if there are two or more of you together, it would be considered a meeting. A working meeting, no. A working meeting, we can have a work session. Work session, that's what you call it. But we still would have to... We still have to do the 48-hour notice. And we'd still have to make it available to the public. Right, that's fine. I don't think there's much difference between a work session and a meeting. No votes, that's really the only difference is a work session, you're not allowed to take any voting action on anything. And then a regular meeting, you can have a voting action. Which that's gonna be an informational meeting anyways. But I think what Gary brings up is a problem because a lot of these things are very tiny, even with the screens. I mean, we've got great screens, but I don't know if our eyes are matching how good the screens are. I don't mind our... I know, yeah. Yeah, so, I mean, that's the nice thing that it was a nice little, I think it would work for me. I think of maps and people across the counter and moving things back and forth and actually getting some stuff done instead of me looking at that thing, thinking, well, I hope William knows what he's talking about, but I can't see it from here. Well, we can, I don't know what it'll do to cats, but we totally can, a lot of times we push tables together so everybody's in close proximity to whatever we're working on. 'Cause even in there, we're not gonna have a screen that we can all see closely. Well, I guess with that being said, we have our meetings that we need, so you're clear on your part. The floor, any other comments or no? Mike's good, we're good. Would you like the maps blown up, is that what I'm understanding, for the next working meeting? I'd be great, I'd like this. I'll be honest with you, even with these, unless I had something else to look at, some of these little numbers on that thing, I don't know about you guys, but I can kind of see it. We did appropriate money in office supplies to do that. There's money in there to pay for it. Well, would it be helpful if you had some names? Yes. On here that we, maybe Denise and I could identify some of them? The street names. Yeah, the streets being a little clearer. The street names, can you overlay the street names or streets on this? I can print a very large map if you want. I prefer a very large map than four or five, eight and a half by 11's trying to put them together like a puzzle. I mean, like the flat maps that size. Well, even if we had one that you could put up somewhere, just a big one, we could go up with this thing and actually look at it. I have nothing where I can really look at and pull all this together. And again, I'm not a big map reader. That might be, you guys maybe look at those maps and figure it all out. It's still a little Greek to me. Well, when you did the first maps, they were just regular maps and you drew the line around where the tip was. And that might be like an aerial map might be better 'cause then you'll be able to identify what you're talking about and then, is that what you're talking about? Yeah, it is, it's map for idiots. Instead of this, I mean, I can't even read this. I can kind of tell where it's at now. So that'd be great. Anything you can do to help us. Yes, some of us are a little over. Well, that's fair. I just think it helps pull it all together before we go to our next step of our plan if we know exactly the geography, where it goes. So I think that being said, privilege to the floor. And I think we can adjourn the meeting for the ELSO Development Commission for Tuesday, May 27th, 2025. Thank you. (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music)