WEBVTT 00:00:01.186 --> 00:00:10.236 - The first reorganization committee for consolidation of Richland Township and the town of Ellisville 00:00:10.236 --> 00:00:19.466 - is called to order. Does with the they like to lead a prayer and pledge? No, well. Pledge first prayer 00:00:19.466 --> 00:00:28.606 - first prayer first. Father, we thank you for this day. We thank you for this season. We thank you for 00:00:28.606 --> 00:00:30.398 - the camaraderie and 00:00:31.458 --> 00:00:38.823 - both the town and the township, we pray that this would be done in accordance with, that the meetings 00:00:38.823 --> 00:00:46.260 - would be conducted in accordance with your will and that everybody will be civil and friendly and love 00:00:46.260 --> 00:00:53.481 - on each other. We pray this in Jesus' name for his sake and his glory, amen. I pledge allegiance to 00:00:53.481 --> 00:01:00.990 - the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:01:01.218 --> 00:01:11.794 - indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. So I guess I will ask our attorneys who have researched 00:01:11.794 --> 00:01:22.677 - the process for this, what are our first steps of? Want to introduce them? Yes, yes. This is Darla Brown. 00:01:22.677 --> 00:01:30.686 - She is the town of Alexville attorney. And Eric Cook is the township regional 00:01:32.386 --> 00:01:39.724 - Well, Eric and I had a conversation this morning and we kind of came up with a list of things that the 00:01:39.724 --> 00:01:46.848 - board might want to discuss at this, its first organizational meeting. So I believe everybody has a 00:01:46.848 --> 00:01:53.972 - copy of the preliminary timeline that was presented by Baker-Tilley. If you don't let me know and I 00:01:53.972 --> 00:02:01.310 - can make sure everybody gets a copy of that. But I think the first thing the board needs to discuss is 00:02:01.826 --> 00:02:08.369 - how you want to conduct your meetings going forward. And I mean that in the broadest possible sense, 00:02:08.369 --> 00:02:14.977 - because I think you have discretion on how to do this, whether you want to meet weekly, bi-weekly, in 00:02:14.977 --> 00:02:21.521 - the evenings, during the day, here, at the township offices, in the fire department training room if 00:02:21.521 --> 00:02:28.323 - it's available, in the Eltsville utilities office, how you want to handle your meetings. If you're going 00:02:28.323 --> 00:02:30.526 - to have an agenda, who's going to 00:02:30.754 --> 00:02:37.858 - take responsibility for posting the agenda and or the notice of meeting 48 hours in advance? Do you 00:02:37.858 --> 00:02:44.962 - want all of your meetings to be recorded or live streamed on CATS or through, do you want to set up 00:02:44.962 --> 00:02:52.208 - somebody who knows more than this about this and we could help you like a special YouTube channel for 00:02:52.208 --> 00:03:00.094 - this or how you want to get information out to the public? Do you want to have public comment meetings, if so, 00:03:00.546 --> 00:03:08.815 - Do you want to set time limits? Do you want to allow public comment at every meeting, every other meeting, 00:03:08.815 --> 00:03:16.775 - once a month? And I think there was some suggestion at some point that maybe some of the board members 00:03:16.775 --> 00:03:24.735 - meet with some of the individuals up in Sheridan and Adams Township to discuss with them generally how 00:03:24.735 --> 00:03:29.758 - their reorganization went and maybe to get some ideas from them. 00:03:30.274 --> 00:03:37.213 - And then I believe maybe there was also some discussion about picking a seventh person so that you have 00:03:37.213 --> 00:03:44.019 - a seventh member on your board. So what's the board's pleasure? I wanna make it clear. I'm not trying 00:03:44.019 --> 00:03:50.825 - to run this meeting. I'm just trying to, instead of all of us looking at each other. I'd like to meet 00:03:50.825 --> 00:03:57.898 - every other week, twice a month. I would agree. And I think to do it here and do it before your meetings, 00:03:57.898 --> 00:03:59.966 - before the council's meetings, 00:04:00.098 --> 00:04:06.751 - That way, if anybody wanted to be present, then they could be here and be present for the council meetings 00:04:06.751 --> 00:04:13.155 - too. I have had the public request a later time because five o'clock, a lot of people are just getting 00:04:13.155 --> 00:04:19.434 - off work, which obviously that wouldn't work for Mondays because town council's at 6.30. And we also 00:04:19.434 --> 00:04:25.714 - have the regional development commission traditionally here at five o'clock on Mondays, the first of 00:04:25.714 --> 00:04:26.398 - the month. 00:04:28.514 --> 00:04:34.999 - First of all, how's everybody feel about two weeks? I'm good with two weeks. I'm good with two weeks. 00:04:34.999 --> 00:04:41.483 - Yes. Yes. I would say that with an adjustment, if we find out we're getting a lot of information that 00:04:41.483 --> 00:04:47.905 - we need to meet more or we're in an information roll, I like seeing you guys, but I don't know if we 00:04:47.905 --> 00:04:54.262 - all just want to say we have no business, but I think it's important for the public to know we have 00:04:54.262 --> 00:04:57.886 - a schedule. So two weeks are agreed upon, it seems like. 00:04:58.306 --> 00:05:07.330 - Um, take any votes. We need a secretary to tally the votes. So. Well, I know who I'd nominate for secretary. 00:05:07.330 --> 00:05:15.691 - Would you be okay with that, Andrew? Sure. All right. Actually, should we introduce ourselves to the 00:05:15.691 --> 00:05:24.549 - public? Sure. Start down there with Mike. The one and the only, the renowned. Yeah. Sure. I'm Mike Gordon, 00:05:24.549 --> 00:05:27.198 - the lifelong resident of Elton. 00:05:28.770 --> 00:05:35.048 - My name is Andrew Henry. My wife and I and our five kids live here on the east side of Alexville. I 00:05:35.048 --> 00:05:41.515 - own and operate a small business over in Spencer. I've been in the Bloomington area since I moved here 00:05:41.515 --> 00:05:47.354 - in 2002. My name's Kevin Ferris. I've been here since 1998 with my two sons, their wives, my 00:05:47.354 --> 00:05:53.884 - nine grandchildren, of course my wife, and we're also business owners here in Alexville. William Ellis, 00:05:53.884 --> 00:05:57.086 - a servant of the town council, moved here in 2014. 00:05:57.506 --> 00:06:05.147 - started serving in the council in 2019. Had a small business for Wadham Regional Plaza. Still running 00:06:05.147 --> 00:06:12.639 - out of my own now, so I guess technically still a small business in Ellitsville. I'm Dawn Dornal. I 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:20.280 - have lived here since before I was a teenager. I grew up in Ellitsville and currently live within the 00:06:20.280 --> 00:06:25.374 - township. We raised our two boys here, and I am a registered nurse. 00:06:25.826 --> 00:06:34.753 - but I'm also a massage therapist and homeopath with my own business. I'm Scott Reynolds. I was born 00:06:34.753 --> 00:06:43.680 - in Indiana, but I've lived in Monroe County since 2009. I'm a resident of Richland Township, just a 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:52.607 - couple miles outside of Ellitsville. Small business owner, lawyer, you know, person who raises wild 00:06:52.607 --> 00:06:54.750 - grasses on my property. 00:06:54.882 --> 00:07:02.538 - A lot of different things, but I'm happy to be here. Thank you. All right, so I would recommend that 00:07:02.538 --> 00:07:10.497 - we take a vote on the two weeks just to get it on the record. Is everybody in agreement with that? Sure. 00:07:10.497 --> 00:07:18.077 - OK. So Andrew, if you want to call a roll call and start with who makes the motion and then seconds 00:07:18.077 --> 00:07:23.838 - it before we call the vote. All right. Who wants any? I'll make the motion. 00:07:24.866 --> 00:07:33.917 - Second. All right. Okay. And the motion is that we meet two times every two weeks. Every two weeks. 00:07:33.917 --> 00:07:43.058 - Every two weeks. Okay. So Mike? Yes. My vote is yes. Kevin? Yes. Yes. William? Yes. Don? Yes. Steve? 00:07:43.058 --> 00:07:52.380 - Yes. Yes. Thank you. All right. So the next thing is what day? I broke this up in case they both don't 00:07:52.380 --> 00:07:54.462 - align. Just a thought. 00:07:56.258 --> 00:08:08.717 - So I guess I should ask, Mike, what evenings is this chamber free? Well, I know the Plan Commission 00:08:08.717 --> 00:08:21.425 - meets. We have BZA meetings. Plan Commission meets second Thursday. First Thursday. BZA is the second 00:08:21.425 --> 00:08:23.294 - Wednesday. OK. 00:08:23.938 --> 00:08:32.688 - Now we're starting this two weeks, so it'll be the first week of January. Yes, I would think so. Would 00:08:32.688 --> 00:08:41.182 - you guys start in January? I'll throw that out. What's Tuesday feel like to everybody? Tuesdays and 00:08:41.182 --> 00:08:49.762 - Thursday evenings would be tough. Generally, Thursdays are usually OK. Tuesdays, I have at least one 00:08:49.762 --> 00:08:52.990 - monthly commitment that I can't move. 00:08:55.714 --> 00:09:05.158 - So Wednesday, what was that Denise again for the BZA? Second Wednesday. Well, if we could leapfrog over 00:09:05.158 --> 00:09:14.330 - a Wednesday, how does Wednesdays look for when is that the first week of January? Your next meeting? 00:09:14.330 --> 00:09:23.774 - 14th, the second. So if we did the first. So it would be the 7th would be the first one. I'm available. 00:09:25.986 --> 00:09:47.894 - be the 21st. So we'd miss theirs. Wednesday the 7th, January 7th, and then starting the two week cycle. 00:09:47.894 --> 00:09:54.846 - Been there. So that consensus is 00:09:55.202 --> 00:10:09.406 - I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. 00:10:24.962 --> 00:10:33.625 - So we would be meeting every two weeks on Wednesday with an eye to not conflicting with BZA. 00:10:33.625 --> 00:10:43.127 - That's correct. And this should prevent that because it would be the first and third Wednesday. Okay. 00:10:43.127 --> 00:10:52.535 - And the time. I'm in favor of moving it later to make sure it's accessible to as many members of the 00:10:52.535 --> 00:10:54.398 - public as possible. 00:10:55.682 --> 00:11:08.707 - I agree. Should we hear from the public on what time? Any public want to chime in on the time that would 00:11:08.707 --> 00:11:20.616 - be good for us to meet? Six, okay. I see a six. Second. Okay. All right. So six o'clock. First. 00:11:20.616 --> 00:11:24.958 - All right. I'll make a motion that 00:11:25.154 --> 00:11:33.094 - We will be meeting every two weeks, six o'clock on Wednesday. All right, Mike? Yes. Oh, should we get 00:11:33.094 --> 00:11:40.957 - seconded? Nobody seconded yet. Seven seconds in. All right, Mike? Yes. Me, yes. Kevin? Yes. William? 00:11:40.957 --> 00:11:49.209 - Yes. Don? Yes. Scott? Yes. Thank you. All right. So what do you think the next thing on are? A discussion 00:11:49.209 --> 00:11:54.814 - about who's going to be responsible for the agendas and who posts them. 00:11:55.522 --> 00:12:01.682 - It might be a good job for the secretary. I'm not good with the judge generally. I would prefer if someone 00:12:01.682 --> 00:12:07.438 - else would take that responsibility. All right. Can you get that out? Yes. We'll get the notes from 00:12:07.438 --> 00:12:13.252 - the meeting out. Okay. And who will maintain the website and where is information about the meetings 00:12:13.252 --> 00:12:19.009 - going to be posted? I assume you're going to post them on both the town and the township's website. 00:12:19.009 --> 00:12:24.190 - Yeah. And Mike, I have no access to the, none of us here have access to the town website. 00:12:24.450 --> 00:12:34.315 - What process do you want to do for that? Well, if we could get a list of everybody's email, we can get 00:12:34.315 --> 00:12:44.084 - access to you tomorrow. OK. Is that what you want? That sounds great. Yep. Or if somebody else could, 00:12:44.084 --> 00:12:53.374 - if Hammer, somebody from his office could do it. My wife's got to retrieve my emails for me. OK. 00:12:53.698 --> 00:13:00.869 - As long as we have a routine for supplying the information to you well in advance, would it be difficult 00:13:00.869 --> 00:13:07.903 - for somebody from the town to post it if we provided it? It will not. We also have people that do some 00:13:07.903 --> 00:13:14.869 - of our public relations and we can also have them handle it as well. Okay. So we can make sure we get 00:13:14.869 --> 00:13:22.654 - out to as many people as possible. Great. Okay. All right. So that's that we can do. All right. So what was next? 00:13:23.778 --> 00:13:32.733 - but is that the way you want to do it well I'm good with that well since one of us needs to get it to 00:13:32.733 --> 00:13:41.513 - what about you guys does that sound good to you guys I'm good with that we can if I may so if if we 00:13:41.513 --> 00:13:50.293 - put it out on the website and make public notices to Facebook and perhaps high neighbor we also can 00:13:50.293 --> 00:13:53.278 - send it out we have a large email 00:13:53.762 --> 00:14:03.430 - address, we can send it that way via email as well, and it goes to the local media and county governments. 00:14:03.430 --> 00:14:12.826 - Do we have to post it to the same places that the township have already designated that they would give 00:14:12.826 --> 00:14:20.958 - notices to annually that they did? I would, yes. Okay, you want to explain that for them? 00:14:21.762 --> 00:14:28.035 - Each year, the town and township have to notify the public where they're going to post their information 00:14:28.035 --> 00:14:34.068 - and who to. And then you can be on that list as well. So if you're already on that list, then that's 00:14:34.068 --> 00:14:40.161 - who they're going to get. Maybe we do others too, but that's the minimum we have to do as recommended 00:14:40.161 --> 00:14:46.314 - by Darla is to keep the same with the town and township do so. All right, they usually do it the first 00:14:46.314 --> 00:14:50.974 - year or somewhere. I think it's about the first year, so. With that, how long 00:14:51.426 --> 00:15:00.669 - before the meeting do you think would be reasonable to get an agenda to you? Well, for a Monday meeting 00:15:00.669 --> 00:15:09.735 - like we have tonight for the regular schedule board, we send it out on a Thursday afternoon. Okay, so 00:15:09.735 --> 00:15:18.622 - Wednesday. So, I mean, it's up to you, but if we send it out on Friday, everybody would be notified 00:15:18.622 --> 00:15:21.022 - before the next Wednesday. 00:15:21.346 --> 00:15:28.855 - It's entirely up to you what you prefer. So long as we have the agenda, we can set it out whenever you're 00:15:28.855 --> 00:15:36.364 - ready. From this board here, who would like to be the point of contact to get to the town for the agenda? 00:15:36.364 --> 00:15:43.519 - I'll volunteer for that. So if there's an agenda item you want to discuss, just let me know and I'll 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:50.462 - put it on the agenda and I'll send it out to you guys first to make sure we didn't miss anything. 00:15:51.586 --> 00:16:01.207 - or whatever, before we get to the town and township, obviously. Township-wise, how will that be? I do 00:16:01.207 --> 00:16:10.734 - not have access to the website or the Facebook page, but Samantha, our office manager, is happy. She 00:16:10.734 --> 00:16:20.638 - told me that she would do anything with that, so I can just keep her updated and send everything to her. 00:16:21.218 --> 00:16:29.115 - Okay. All right. And as far as meeting minutes recorded, each meeting was submitted to everyone here 00:16:29.115 --> 00:16:37.011 - on the committee for review and then approved at the following meeting. Yes. And is the, when we set 00:16:37.011 --> 00:16:45.220 - up, if we do a Zoom, does the transcribing from that, is that accurate enough to, for us to have minutes 00:16:45.220 --> 00:16:51.006 - sent out? I'm not familiar enough with the platform to know. Do you know? 00:16:51.522 --> 00:16:58.234 - You're talking about the out transcription. Yes. I think it's pretty good most of the time. But if we're 00:16:58.234 --> 00:17:04.818 - reading and approving and we can catch any correct glitches, OK, so I would suggest we definitely have 00:17:04.818 --> 00:17:11.722 - this on zoom. That's what I would like to have the meetings recorded for sure. The question is how detailed 00:17:11.722 --> 00:17:18.561 - we want the minutes to be wanted to be only move seconded to active motions or is it going to be a general 00:17:18.561 --> 00:17:21.310 - list of everything that's a good question. 00:17:21.570 --> 00:17:29.885 - For you two, what do you suggest? I think you generally probably wanna put a little more detail in the 00:17:29.885 --> 00:17:38.039 - minutes than the actual motion and the vote. I think it's, at least with the town council minutes, I 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:45.950 - know the clerk tries to put a synopsis of the discussion in, so I think that's appropriate. Okay. 00:17:47.490 --> 00:17:56.920 - Is it expected that all names of members of the public who speak are included in the minutes? Typically, 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:06.351 - yes. Okay. Thank you. I'd ask them if that's okay with them, with the public. Yes. Because if they don't 00:18:06.351 --> 00:18:15.422 - want their name mentioned, but they still want to say something. But it'll still be recorded though. 00:18:15.586 --> 00:18:22.785 - It's going to be public. It's a yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they'd have to give and they have to sign name 00:18:22.785 --> 00:18:29.912 - and address. Yeah. I mean, I would say if somebody from the public really does not want their name, 00:18:29.912 --> 00:18:37.111 - I mean, we can take that on a case by case basis, but understand that if it's on zoom and right now, 00:18:37.111 --> 00:18:45.022 - like this is being on cats, it's out there. So all we can do is control the minutes here. So that expectation. 00:18:55.810 --> 00:19:05.182 - So we've decided that. Seventh member. Yes. Should we discuss the seventh member now? Cause that's. 00:19:05.182 --> 00:19:14.647 - How many people through their hats in the ring? Mike, how many total we have pardon? How many people 00:19:14.647 --> 00:19:24.862 - total did we have for the town? Do you know through their hats and applied for the reorganization committee? 00:19:25.602 --> 00:19:39.355 - I think I had 22 names, but some of them were redundant. I thought it was 22. I was just taking them 00:19:39.355 --> 00:19:54.334 - as I got them, as I received them. 25. And I will point out that some people applied via email. So there are. 00:19:54.466 --> 00:20:03.798 - We have two or three of those that applied. So they actually applied. Well, it's a pleasure of us how 00:20:03.798 --> 00:20:13.312 - we want to handle the seventh appointment. I guess, first of all, we want a seventh appointment, right? 00:20:13.312 --> 00:20:22.552 - We have to have one, yes. Tiebreaker. And if the Sheridan-Adams merger plan, which is what I've been 00:20:22.552 --> 00:20:24.382 - looking at kind of, 00:20:24.482 --> 00:20:33.165 - They use someone kind of that is not part of the town, not part of the township. They use somebody from 00:20:33.165 --> 00:20:41.847 - their school system. That makes sense. So I know. Was it school board superintendent? The doctor, Jerry 00:20:41.847 --> 00:20:50.280 - Sanders. Yeah, he he's he's expressed. He doesn't have the time commitment. He was on our list and I 00:20:50.280 --> 00:20:51.198 - think was. 00:20:53.218 --> 00:21:01.642 - the town council had talked about, I said I'd nominate him, but when I had conversations with him later, 00:21:01.642 --> 00:21:09.745 - he said, I really don't think I could do it, time-wise. Well, didn't you say that? Didn't we all say 00:21:09.745 --> 00:21:18.009 - that? Yes, yeah. Okay, what about... Did you talk to Dr. Schiff? Yes, he's willing to. That's the only 00:21:18.009 --> 00:21:19.774 - one I reached out to. 00:21:23.074 --> 00:21:31.828 - Dr. Steven Shipp, he's the headmaster at 7th School. Sorry. All right. I guess first, how do we wanna 00:21:31.828 --> 00:21:40.583 - handle the seventh appointment? Do we want to vote on it? Do we have to vote on it at this meeting or 00:21:40.583 --> 00:21:49.423 - can we do it at our next meeting? If you wanted to wait, I think you can. Okay. Did we wanna take more 00:21:49.423 --> 00:21:51.998 - applicants for this position? 00:21:53.090 --> 00:22:00.064 - Or well, if we're going to do somebody from the school system, has anybody talked with anybody else 00:22:00.064 --> 00:22:07.248 - that showed any interest? Yeah, I have not said I've only talked to doctors. I'm in favor of including 00:22:07.248 --> 00:22:14.222 - somebody from the school for sure. There are going to be plenty of subcommittee slots where we need 00:22:14.222 --> 00:22:21.406 - lots of people with expertise, so it's not for the choice between this one slot to be involved or not. 00:22:25.282 --> 00:22:32.968 - What's up to you, do you wanna wait? Mike. Are there any other actions where having that seventh member 00:22:32.968 --> 00:22:40.506 - active by the next meeting would be critical? Not unless it's a tie vote, but then we can always just 00:22:40.506 --> 00:22:47.971 - table that to the next meeting. Okay. Or the meeting after when we have that seventh person. But I'm 00:22:47.971 --> 00:22:51.518 - thinking that since this is a new board, if we, 00:22:53.378 --> 00:22:59.990 - specifically ask people from the school systems that are interested to let us know, then we have over 00:22:59.990 --> 00:23:06.537 - the holidays until the seventh to be able to consider. Making sure that we leave here with a plan of 00:23:06.537 --> 00:23:13.214 - action, as opposed to getting back here in two weeks and saying, looking at each other being like, did 00:23:13.214 --> 00:23:20.021 - anybody express interest? And then, yeah, finding ourselves where we are. So I mean, I think the general 00:23:20.021 --> 00:23:20.734 - consensus, 00:23:20.962 --> 00:23:29.999 - We're all in agreement, though, by the seventh, we do need to to appoint that seventh member for sure. 00:23:29.999 --> 00:23:39.037 - Yes. There's so all right. They're set up a question that for the town had questions at Ellisville dot 00:23:39.037 --> 00:23:47.811 - Indiana dot gov for those that were interested in being appointed for a town position. And what was 00:23:47.811 --> 00:23:49.566 - your email address? 00:23:49.794 --> 00:23:56.195 - It is, it's richlandquestions at gmail.com. Do you want to just use these email addresses and open it 00:23:56.195 --> 00:24:02.471 - up to anybody in the school systems in Richland Township? Sounds good. That's who we're looking for 00:24:02.471 --> 00:24:08.182 - specifically. I do, yes. Obviously anybody can apply for this. Right. But we would like to 00:24:08.182 --> 00:24:14.270 - have representative of the school district to make sure those interests are heard and protected. 00:24:18.370 --> 00:24:25.164 - Would any public like to comment on this? Okay, seeing none. Darla and Eric, do you think we need to 00:24:25.164 --> 00:24:31.891 - take official action on our thoughts on this or the general consensus of what we're looking for? Is 00:24:31.891 --> 00:24:38.886 - that enough? I mean, do we need to take a vote that we're not appointing the seventh today? No, I think 00:24:38.886 --> 00:24:43.326 - that's fine. Your general consensus on that is fine this evening. 00:24:44.002 --> 00:24:50.472 - I would just add, you may want to think about in the coming days whether that seventh member would have 00:24:50.472 --> 00:24:56.817 - any roles or responsibilities such as, is that going to be your presiding officer? Is that ultimately 00:24:56.817 --> 00:25:03.349 - going to be some kind of quasi-administrative function? So you may think about whether that individual's 00:25:03.349 --> 00:25:09.757 - responsibilities may be different or the same. In other words, they're not here, so let's assign them. 00:25:09.757 --> 00:25:11.934 - There's a secretary position. Yes. 00:25:12.834 --> 00:25:18.871 - So you might think about that. I'm not necessarily recommending that. No, I'm okay. And that would be 00:25:18.871 --> 00:25:25.086 - good if they have, if they kind of, if they're interested, I mean, I think that would be good if they're 00:25:25.086 --> 00:25:31.182 - kind of the chair. That way all our members, it's not like the town appointees a chair or the township 00:25:31.182 --> 00:25:37.278 - appointments a chair. It would be an independent. How do you guys feel about that? That's a good idea. 00:25:38.082 --> 00:25:45.791 - If the person yes, obviously and that was a model as we believe in Sheridan, right? That's what I thought. 00:25:45.791 --> 00:25:53.140 - I just wasn't sure what they called it. President chair or whatever. The joint appointment. Yes, yes. 00:25:53.140 --> 00:26:00.201 - So then the person just needs to be under this understanding that if they are willing to take it, 00:26:00.201 --> 00:26:07.262 - that is. The expectation, yeah. OK. So again, if you're interested and we're specifically looking 00:26:07.618 --> 00:26:15.934 - members of the school systems in Richland Township, but that does not mean others cannot apply because 00:26:15.934 --> 00:26:24.250 - there's going to be so many subcommittees. I can almost safely say most people are going to find slots 00:26:24.250 --> 00:26:32.324 - for, but either email us at questions at ellitsville.indiana.gov or richlandquestions at gmail.com. 00:26:32.324 --> 00:26:36.926 - And one question is that we've had is do we need our own 00:26:37.666 --> 00:26:43.882 - separate email addresses for this. I think it'd be best practices for public records requests, 00:26:43.882 --> 00:26:50.557 - wouldn't it? Likely so, yes. Okay. If you could set those up, that would certainly make things easier 00:26:50.557 --> 00:26:57.558 - down the road. What's the thought, Senator, by just doing a Gmail address or something instead of anything 00:26:57.558 --> 00:27:04.232 - else will cost either the town or the township, which ultimately means it costs the taxpayers. So I'm 00:27:04.232 --> 00:27:05.214 - just thinking, 00:27:07.522 --> 00:27:14.779 - So just pick a convention and each of us gets a Gmail account. Yeah. Okay. And we could even do shared 00:27:14.779 --> 00:27:22.036 - documents on a Google Drive, which of course would be open to public access disclosure and everything. 00:27:22.036 --> 00:27:29.081 - So, but that way both the town and the township are not like, who do we contact for this? Who do we 00:27:29.081 --> 00:27:35.070 - contact for that? There's one point of information. Perfect. Sound good to everyone? 00:27:40.354 --> 00:27:47.425 - I would recommend when you send out the agenda, list all the board members with their Gmail accounts 00:27:47.425 --> 00:27:54.427 - on it. Absolutely. Now one thing Sheridan did that I would love to do, but it's turning out to be a 00:27:54.427 --> 00:28:01.638 - lot more cost prohibitive than I originally thought was they had postcards mailed out two weeks before 00:28:01.638 --> 00:28:08.780 - all their meetings. That's a lot of mail. That's a lot of mail. Yes, it is. And what was the quote we 00:28:08.780 --> 00:28:10.110 - got, like $12,000? 00:28:10.274 --> 00:28:18.868 - per mailing or something? Okay. We do have a list. We finally got it from the clerk for all registered 00:28:18.868 --> 00:28:27.963 - voters in Richland Township. I would like to do that, but understand it's going to be very cost prohibitive. 00:28:27.963 --> 00:28:36.474 - So I'm really wondering if we should, once we have all these dates, is send out an email with all the 00:28:36.474 --> 00:28:37.726 - dates on them. 00:28:37.826 --> 00:28:45.087 - or not an email, but a postcard, do a one-time thing with that. And if there's any other, I don't know 00:28:45.087 --> 00:28:52.277 - if the public can donate for that or any businesses, I don't know how that would work, either town or 00:28:52.277 --> 00:28:59.396 - township, but I'm really leery of using public funds, that much public funds, especially as tight as 00:28:59.396 --> 00:29:04.542 - we all are, to promote this. For every meeting. Right, to every meeting. 00:29:04.770 --> 00:29:11.778 - I like your idea of sending out one postcard at the beginning and then maybe you send out another postcard 00:29:11.778 --> 00:29:18.327 - right before you have your public hearings to notify the public that your plan of reorganization is 00:29:18.327 --> 00:29:25.007 - coming up for a public hearing. That still sounds like a lot of money to me. It will be, yes. I don't 00:29:25.007 --> 00:29:28.478 - know that there's any way to get around that though. 00:29:28.770 --> 00:29:35.127 - to at least as Darla said to do too, because I've talked to several people who live in the township 00:29:35.127 --> 00:29:41.739 - and they're not ever on, they don't have Facebook accounts and they have no idea this is going on. They 00:29:41.739 --> 00:29:48.414 - don't have Facebook, that sounds nice. And in addition to the list of meetings, there could obviously be 00:29:49.250 --> 00:29:56.091 - web addresses or other opportunities to bookmark information and sign up for email distribution lists, 00:29:56.091 --> 00:30:03.198 - that sort of thing. Mike, is the town and with the attorneys, is there any problem with the town utilities 00:30:03.198 --> 00:30:09.907 - putting that for the water bills? I was gonna recommend that. It won't get everybody because some of 00:30:09.907 --> 00:30:15.486 - the township is served by, well, served by two other water companies. We might look 00:30:15.650 --> 00:30:21.986 - to them and see if they have a message board, but we do have a message board on our bill, and we can 00:30:21.986 --> 00:30:28.259 - put some ancillary information on there as well. That's a good idea. Is that high enough visibility 00:30:28.259 --> 00:30:34.971 - to actually accomplish certainly what we want? Well, that would, I think, be in addition to the postcards. 00:30:34.971 --> 00:30:41.307 - That's my understanding. Want to see if the public has any suggestions? Now, this is something we're 00:30:41.307 --> 00:30:42.750 - relating to the public 00:30:42.978 --> 00:30:49.405 - go offer suggestions because we don't know what we don't know. Anybody have some suggestions for how 00:30:49.405 --> 00:30:55.833 - we can get, because we definitely want everyone to be able to chime in on this and have their voices 00:30:55.833 --> 00:31:02.196 - heard for the main meetings, but also importantly, the subcommittee meetings, which we haven't even 00:31:02.196 --> 00:31:08.814 - touched yet on that. So does anybody want to give some suggestions on visibility on how we can get this 00:31:08.814 --> 00:31:11.678 - message out? Yes. If you can come up to the, 00:31:11.842 --> 00:31:20.256 - the podium, please. That way it's on the record. Number one, if you're on Facebook, if you're on Facebook, 00:31:20.256 --> 00:31:28.277 - there's what's happening in Elstville. You could use that. That's free of charge. There's also emails 00:31:28.277 --> 00:31:36.062 - you can use. It's called Nextdoor. And they're all free. I don't think you'd be charged with them. 00:31:36.062 --> 00:31:38.814 - Use them. They don't charge those. 00:31:38.946 --> 00:31:46.728 - We will, if you could put your name and sign in there too. And we will definitely, one of the plans 00:31:46.728 --> 00:31:55.055 - and what we were doing to promote this meeting, I don't think next door, but we definitely did on Facebook 00:31:55.055 --> 00:32:02.915 - and the Ellisville groups. But as it was pointed out, some people, they're not online. So we'll need 00:32:02.915 --> 00:32:05.950 - to figure out for that too. Thank you. 00:32:13.186 --> 00:32:23.268 - I hesitate to have us think about putting all our eggs in social media baskets. And so I do think that 00:32:23.268 --> 00:32:33.545 - to do at least one postcard is worth every penny we have to put in it, because it says this is official. 00:32:33.545 --> 00:32:42.942 - And we all know that when we're on social media, we have to separate truth, fiction, and rumor. 00:32:43.202 --> 00:32:51.575 - Secondly, is it possible to do a flyer and just have it disseminated through mailboxes, you know, with 00:32:51.575 --> 00:32:59.868 - kids or a volunteer group to just go through and stuff? I mean, I know that that's a federal box, but 00:32:59.868 --> 00:33:07.997 - I wonder if that's an option as well. And that would not be that expensive because I'm sure that we 00:33:07.997 --> 00:33:12.062 - have philanthropics who would be willing to help. 00:33:12.834 --> 00:33:20.955 - I like the idea of having a unified email, and I do agree that you don't want to cost a lot of money, 00:33:20.955 --> 00:33:29.076 - but I sometimes wonder if that Gmail does not insinuate that it is an official email. So if I want to 00:33:29.076 --> 00:33:37.038 - send you something, do I still want to send it to the town council and to the Richland board, or am 00:33:37.038 --> 00:33:40.382 - I going to feel that Gmail's good enough? 00:33:40.674 --> 00:33:53.130 - I just might want to think about the quality. We do want this to be a very quality thing. And professional. 00:33:53.130 --> 00:34:04.663 - Okay. So with the emails, we have an IT person and we could probably look to them and see what kind 00:34:04.663 --> 00:34:10.430 - of emails we could get for the Brioard committee. 00:34:10.754 --> 00:34:17.970 - It would be secure, and it would be under all the security protocols that we currently use for Elitzel. 00:34:17.970 --> 00:34:25.048 - So if you want me to look into it, I can. I would rather have emails about this business be sent from 00:34:25.048 --> 00:34:31.987 - governmental email addresses. I agree. Ben's email. And they'll see how to incorporate the township 00:34:31.987 --> 00:34:39.134 - as they see what you can come up with so they realize it's coming from both the township and the town. 00:34:40.066 --> 00:34:48.449 - And then when it comes to the mailers, if I could be so bold, we do have money in ED for economic 00:34:48.449 --> 00:34:57.173 - development. And so I think some of the money, if not all the money, could come from that. I do think 00:34:57.173 --> 00:35:05.812 - that everybody should get something sent to their door at least once or twice. And it would be worth 00:35:05.812 --> 00:35:09.918 - the money as pointed out. So at some point, you 00:35:10.146 --> 00:35:17.572 - as a committee probably ought to be talking about how you might share some of the costs. That's something 00:35:17.572 --> 00:35:24.578 - you guys need to talk about, but I do think from the town standpoint, the LED money that we've been 00:35:24.578 --> 00:35:31.724 - saving all this time is now, we found something we need to spend it on. And also the public relations 00:35:31.724 --> 00:35:37.118 - folks, if they would have recommendations of how it's worked in the past and 00:35:37.282 --> 00:35:42.418 - Let's talk with Sheridan in the other places and see what. Yeah, Victoria is in the audience tonight 00:35:42.418 --> 00:35:47.656 - too. So if you stand up and say a little bit about yourself. Well, we got somebody at the podium right 00:35:47.656 --> 00:35:52.894 - now. I'm kidding. I'm just going to say real quick, if you're depending on Gmail or emails to send out 00:35:52.894 --> 00:35:58.030 - to people, if you're going to be sending it to hundreds of people, it's going to go to spam. So most 00:35:58.030 --> 00:36:03.166 - people aren't going to, they don't, I don't ever check my spam unless my says, hey, check your spam. 00:36:04.450 --> 00:36:10.258 - The physical mail, I mean, I wouldn't even know about any of this if it hadn't just trickled down through 00:36:10.258 --> 00:36:15.463 - the grapevine saying, hey, did you know about this going on? And there's been no notification. 00:36:15.463 --> 00:36:21.161 - I'm with Dawn. You know, three-fourths of the people I talked to in the township have no clue that this 00:36:21.161 --> 00:36:27.078 - is even a consideration. So just speak it up and open yourselves up for a lot of heated debate if decisions 00:36:27.078 --> 00:36:32.777 - are made and people are saying, I didn't get notified. And I'm sure that's a question. We're definitely 00:36:32.777 --> 00:36:33.982 - trying to avoid that. 00:36:34.082 --> 00:36:40.679 - I don't think we're planning to do email blasts to people. I think we're just talking about having emails 00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:47.276 - for us. Yes. I'm sorry, Scott. I think the sooner that we get the postcard or the mailer out, the better. 00:36:47.276 --> 00:36:54.558 - I mean, I dare say that there are plenty of people in Richland Township who don't know they're in Richland Township. 00:36:54.882 --> 00:37:01.548 - I've talked to some folks about this, neighbors, and they're like, well, that doesn't really affect 00:37:01.548 --> 00:37:08.215 - me, right? And I said, well, it affects people all the way down to 43, practically. I echo what the 00:37:08.215 --> 00:37:15.481 - comment that was just made. The further this goes without everybody at least feeling like they saw something 00:37:15.481 --> 00:37:22.681 - about it, the more likely we're going to have a lot of upset people, regardless of ultimately the direction 00:37:22.681 --> 00:37:23.614 - that it goes. 00:37:26.082 --> 00:37:35.181 - So we have been working with the town of Ellisville for about six, eight months on some of the rebranding 00:37:35.181 --> 00:37:44.108 - work and now supporting communications. I think some of the questions that we've had is how we can help 00:37:44.108 --> 00:37:47.198 - support the reorganization process. 00:37:47.586 --> 00:37:53.104 - Where that feels appropriate, we would be more than happy to help with the communications plan around 00:37:53.104 --> 00:37:58.622 - this effort. Mike and I have been talking about that already. So trying to figure out where there are 00:37:58.622 --> 00:38:04.085 - opportunities for physical signage. I think that'll be a really important one in addition to some of 00:38:04.085 --> 00:38:09.495 - the other things that are not just on social media. So we're happy to put that together, especially 00:38:09.495 --> 00:38:14.526 - like perhaps before the next meeting, some ways that we feel like we can try to reach people 00:38:16.386 --> 00:38:26.854 - I think that would be great to see a plan. I agree. Should say anybody object to that. All right. I'll 00:38:26.854 --> 00:38:37.119 - make sure that everybody has access to Victoria's email as well so everybody can talk without having 00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:44.030 - to go through it. All right, so any other public like to talk about 00:38:44.514 --> 00:38:51.408 - Ways to get the message out, because if your neighbor doesn't know we're doing this, we need to do something 00:38:51.408 --> 00:38:57.480 - more. And that's kind of what we're trying to do. We want an informed public's the best public. 00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:04.058 - All right, seeing none, what was the next topic? You answered one question. If you plan to meet in this 00:39:04.058 --> 00:39:10.636 - room, which is where the town council meets, then you are required to live stream your meeting. So that 00:39:10.636 --> 00:39:14.494 - takes that out of the mix. You'll have to decide if you want 00:39:14.626 --> 00:39:23.001 - on cats or if there's some alternative platform you want to use but they have to be live streamed. Does 00:39:23.001 --> 00:39:31.456 - it default to cats? We have to make an appointment with them. Yes you have to have a contract with them. 00:39:31.456 --> 00:39:39.509 - So we might just do zoom. Can cats upload the zoom as the meeting Dino? No else? Shaking their head 00:39:39.509 --> 00:39:40.958 - yes. Okay thanks. 00:39:41.602 --> 00:39:49.167 - And do we have a town zoom or township zoom we can use to record? No. No, okay. What about town? Is 00:39:49.167 --> 00:39:56.959 - there any problems using the one we use for the council? Is that a specific zoom just for the council? 00:39:56.959 --> 00:40:04.599 - I don't see any reason why we couldn't use it. Okay. I didn't know if there's any legal issues that- 00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:10.878 - I don't see a problem with using it, but- Okay. Zoom sound good to everybody else? 00:40:11.522 --> 00:40:17.680 - In terms of ease of access, would that mean that all of these meeting recordings were intermixed with 00:40:17.680 --> 00:40:23.837 - a whole bunch of other recordings from other boards and things in the same channel? No, well, on cats 00:40:23.837 --> 00:40:29.874 - it probably would not. Okay. But that's a good question. Certainly, having tried to find recordings 00:40:29.874 --> 00:40:36.032 - from specific meetings in the past myself, having some be here and some on this channel and all these 00:40:36.032 --> 00:40:37.662 - things intermixed makes it 00:40:38.498 --> 00:40:45.836 - It's pretty cumbersome to find the specific thing I'm looking for. So what if we had a YouTube channel 00:40:45.836 --> 00:40:53.104 - just for this? Is that something that's? I'd like to. I just don't know. I don't have the know-how to 00:40:53.104 --> 00:41:00.371 - do it. The office manager at the township does, because she set one up for us. Well, if you think you 00:41:00.371 --> 00:41:06.142 - should be willing to do it, I'd love that. That way people have a one-stop shop. 00:41:06.626 --> 00:41:15.017 - to see all these meetings. Yeah, that way, like Andrew said, they don't have to sort through different 00:41:15.017 --> 00:41:23.571 - things to try to find just our meetings. I'd be in favor of one stop to find all these meetings in order 00:41:23.571 --> 00:41:32.370 - on a single channel, if possible. That sound good to everybody? Yes. I can't believe people would volunteer 00:41:32.370 --> 00:41:35.710 - for that. Well, I think she volunteered. 00:41:35.906 --> 00:41:43.263 - I'm gonna ask her. And you know, I don't know that she can come to the meetings, but she can tell me 00:41:43.263 --> 00:41:50.911 - what to do. And we can take care. And we can work with the town to set up, log in to Zoom here to record 00:41:50.911 --> 00:41:58.559 - with our owl, which goes back and forth to each person. Cool. All right, so next on our- Public comment. 00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:05.406 - Public comment. Or do you want to think about it? As in what the rules for public comment is. 00:42:07.362 --> 00:42:15.309 - I definitely want to see public comment. I want to know what everyone is thinking, but I do think that 00:42:15.309 --> 00:42:23.024 - we need to have a time limit. Just about everything is five minutes, no longer than five minutes. I 00:42:23.024 --> 00:42:30.740 - think we've limited to three, but I think three is pretty common. But I could go either way. We can 00:42:30.740 --> 00:42:34.366 - amend that rule at any point if you want. Yes. 00:42:34.754 --> 00:42:40.395 - I'm in favor of public comment at every meeting, and I would rather see the limits set at five minutes 00:42:40.395 --> 00:42:46.090 - for these initial meetings because there's going to be more open-ended questions about what's involved, 00:42:46.090 --> 00:42:51.621 - and I do not ever want to give the impression that we are clocking people and cutting them off early 00:42:51.621 --> 00:42:57.317 - on in this process. One thing I'm a stickler with public comment is... Civility. What's that? Civility. 00:42:57.317 --> 00:42:58.686 - Civility, but also this. 00:42:58.818 --> 00:43:04.323 - What I don't want, and I hate, is public boards. The public pours their heart out, offers a bunch of 00:43:04.323 --> 00:43:09.773 - suggestions, and they sit there like zones. Thank you for your comment. Basically sit down and shut 00:43:09.773 --> 00:43:15.496 - up. I don't run that way. If people ask me a question, I'm gonna answer it. As long as it's not a loaded 00:43:15.496 --> 00:43:21.001 - gotcha question, a civil question. Because the public comes to these not just to give their opinion, 00:43:21.001 --> 00:43:25.470 - but to find out information. And I think it's very disingenuous of elected boards 00:43:25.826 --> 00:43:31.592 - and I'm so glad we don't do this as a council or any of the boards I serve on from Ellitsville, to just 00:43:31.592 --> 00:43:37.191 - listen to people, have valid concerns, and not address those concerns. So I think that in that time, 00:43:37.191 --> 00:43:42.735 - if in our response, like you said, we may have to extend it, if we're giving a long answer, I don't 00:43:42.735 --> 00:43:48.168 - wanna pull that away from the public comment, but is everybody comfortable? Yeah, I concur. Okay. 00:43:48.168 --> 00:43:53.823 - I agree. I would just add that some boards take public comment at the top of the meeting, others take 00:43:53.823 --> 00:43:55.486 - it at the end of the meeting. 00:43:55.682 --> 00:44:02.138 - What's the what's the will of the committee beginning or the end? Yeah, I always liked it at the end. 00:44:02.138 --> 00:44:08.722 - Let them see we lay everything out. If you do it in the beginning, then nine times out of 10, they want 00:44:08.722 --> 00:44:15.051 - to do it at the end, right? I agree at the end, but also I think there's certain times when we want 00:44:15.051 --> 00:44:21.508 - to call for public comment. Like if we're deciding what subcommittees or something, but that gives us 00:44:21.508 --> 00:44:24.926 - the latitude latitude to do that. Or before any vote. 00:44:28.578 --> 00:44:36.145 - Okay, so that probably would need a vote, wouldn't it? You mean now? Yeah. It won't hurt. Okay. It's 00:44:36.145 --> 00:44:43.938 - better to dot too many I's and cross too many T's than... All right. I move that we have public comment 00:44:43.938 --> 00:44:51.655 - at every meeting at the end of the meeting with five minutes of time allocated for each speaker. Board 00:44:51.655 --> 00:44:58.398 - to have discretion to request public comment at any time during the meeting. I'll second. 00:44:59.778 --> 00:45:08.337 - Mike? Yes. My vote is yes. Kevin? Yes. William? Yes. Don? Yes. Scott? Yes. Okay. All right. Next, Donna. 00:45:08.337 --> 00:45:16.652 - At some point, it doesn't have to be this evening, but at a meeting in the near future, you will have 00:45:16.652 --> 00:45:24.967 - to start thinking about who you want to serve on your subcommittees. So you're going to have several, 00:45:24.967 --> 00:45:27.902 - planning and zoning, public safety, 00:45:28.002 --> 00:45:37.657 - which is going to include police fire, ambulance service, streets, roads, all those types of subjects. 00:45:37.657 --> 00:45:47.125 - Yeah. Okay. I think that would be a good second meeting. Yeah. The second meeting when we point that 00:45:47.125 --> 00:45:54.718 - seventh member, uh, I think that'd be a good one to get these subcommittees all. 00:45:55.426 --> 00:46:01.342 - And if there's that, we can do additional subcommittees also, correct? Sure, I think you can do what 00:46:01.342 --> 00:46:07.200 - you want. Whatever the board's pleasure is. What we don't want to do is have this reorganization go 00:46:07.200 --> 00:46:13.116 - through in January 1st and say, oops, we forgot something. So if there's something we don't know, we 00:46:13.116 --> 00:46:19.207 - need to know. I guess, should we ask the public about public comment? And you certainly want to be sure 00:46:19.207 --> 00:46:25.182 - to cover all the services that are provided by, of course, the town and the township. So poor relief, 00:46:25.442 --> 00:46:33.895 - Cemetery maintenance those types of things that aren't typically taken care by the town right and vice 00:46:33.895 --> 00:46:42.349 - versa Because we have to have a plan Well, you just asked if we should have asked for a public comment 00:46:42.349 --> 00:46:50.966 - about the public comment policy. Yes, we asked for that Yes, I think we should Come on up here and We're 00:46:50.966 --> 00:46:55.070 - a know-how here for you take your time people say 00:46:55.298 --> 00:47:06.916 - comment on your public comment policy. So let me reopen mine. Give you a chance to catch your breath. 00:47:06.916 --> 00:47:18.534 - Jim Perry, town of Ellitsville. I've been to many local government meetings over the years. I dislike 00:47:18.534 --> 00:47:23.774 - our three-minute rule. I find that offensive. 00:47:24.578 --> 00:47:31.302 - Partly because I'm often, when I get up to make a comment, I'm reminded before I get to the podium, 00:47:31.302 --> 00:47:38.094 - by the way, you only have three minutes. And I also dislike reserving the public comment to the end. 00:47:38.094 --> 00:47:44.885 - And this is a group that's going to be preparing something for the voters. And this is a much larger 00:47:44.885 --> 00:47:52.013 - group than you have at a town meeting. Absolutely. And I think there's interest. But I think the interest 00:47:52.013 --> 00:47:53.694 - is going to wane quickly 00:47:54.178 --> 00:48:01.587 - if you move the public comment to the end of the meeting. So I was prepared, although I have other things 00:48:01.587 --> 00:48:09.136 - I do, but to sort of prepare a list of things that I find useful for generating sort of public interaction, 00:48:09.136 --> 00:48:16.405 - public comment. But I certainly think five minutes makes more sense than three, particularly given some 00:48:16.405 --> 00:48:24.094 - of the issues you need to confront here. And I also think it makes more sense at the beginning of the meeting 00:48:24.290 --> 00:48:31.135 - the end, because if you want public comment, you want to put the public first, and I lost, oh, 00:48:31.135 --> 00:48:38.556 - it's back up. Yeah, public first rather than the public last, because it's sort of a, you know, I find 00:48:38.556 --> 00:48:45.761 - when I get up at the end of the, or I'm asked to comment at the end of the meeting, all the sort of 00:48:45.761 --> 00:48:52.318 - the important deliberations are already finished, and I find that to be difficult for real 00:48:52.642 --> 00:49:00.521 - Meaningful public comment, and I've you know chaired budget committees. I've been on a finance Commission 00:49:00.521 --> 00:49:08.102 - for towns much bigger than Ellitsville And I was an intern so public intern city intern going back to 00:49:08.102 --> 00:49:15.610 - 1978 so it's not like this is my first rodeo But I've sort of observed it over the years, and I know 00:49:15.610 --> 00:49:19.326 - some local governments get great public input and 00:49:20.002 --> 00:49:28.295 - The public input in the town of Ellisville is pretty poor. And partly I think related to your rules 00:49:28.295 --> 00:49:36.672 - that I think send subtle messages but real messages to the public. So that's my comment. What do you 00:49:36.672 --> 00:49:45.214 - guys think about having public comment both at bookend meetings? Have it at the beginning and the end? 00:49:45.214 --> 00:49:49.278 - Yes, here's more from the public and then we can 00:49:49.698 --> 00:49:57.221 - Discuss. I thought I heard you say you were going to ask for public opinion during the meeting as well 00:49:57.221 --> 00:50:04.963 - if you had a particular interest. So I think in the long run it's covered. I've been reading the Sheridan 00:50:04.963 --> 00:50:12.778 - plan to do my homework, to be fairly informed. But one thing I would like to see is when I talk to people, 00:50:12.778 --> 00:50:17.598 - I'm a business owner in Ellitsville, but I'm a township resident. 00:50:17.698 --> 00:50:26.899 - And when I talk to people in the township who I have contact with, they say, I think you made the comment, 00:50:26.899 --> 00:50:35.670 - they don't even know they're in the township. Is there any way that we could get perhaps a definitive 00:50:35.670 --> 00:50:44.784 - map that's easily seen or handled or acquired? That I was trying to pick one up online, resolution wasn't 00:50:44.784 --> 00:50:46.590 - real good, whatever. 00:50:46.818 --> 00:50:55.653 - And that's the one thing I thought was a mistake in the Sheridan plan of some of their things when I 00:50:55.653 --> 00:51:04.750 - went back to their town, not just the handout, but when I went back to theirs, was I'd like to see more 00:51:04.750 --> 00:51:13.585 - of that visual. I'm a visual person, so maybe that's why. Thank you. That sounds reasonable. I mean, 00:51:13.585 --> 00:51:16.734 - we can have a website or something. 00:51:17.090 --> 00:51:24.369 - Well, Jai, go ahead. I honestly don't know. I have been on the Township website quite a bit, and I don't 00:51:24.369 --> 00:51:31.371 - believe that there is a map, but I think that would be a perfect place for us to put that, so I will 00:51:31.371 --> 00:51:38.372 - talk to the trustee about getting that put on. You can actually Google and ask for Richland Township 00:51:38.372 --> 00:51:44.958 - limits, and it provides the map I have here. It's pretty definitive, too. Just about anything. 00:51:46.914 --> 00:51:56.316 - is a map. Right. Yeah, exactly. But you say more. Well, if you Google Google Earthland Township, Moreau 00:51:56.316 --> 00:52:05.537 - County, Indiana, boundaries, it'll bring up the boundaries. And if you look at your specific specific 00:52:05.537 --> 00:52:14.849 - property, if it ends in 11 or 13, you're in Richland Township, 11 being in the township area, 13 being 00:52:14.849 --> 00:52:15.934 - just in the 00:52:16.034 --> 00:52:25.370 - in the town of Ellsville. Is that on GIS? Also 18. What's that? 18 and 13. 18 and 13. Well, 18 is being 00:52:25.370 --> 00:52:34.615 - blossomed. Ellsville. Yeah, it's Ellsville town. That is correct. So 11, 13, and 18. 18, yes. I forgot 00:52:34.615 --> 00:52:43.682 - the 18s have snuck in there. So back to the question of public comment at the beginning of meetings. 00:52:43.682 --> 00:52:45.118 - I'm in favor of 00:52:45.378 --> 00:52:51.510 - Deliberately doing whatever we can to encourage the highest quality public engagement possible and so 00:52:51.510 --> 00:52:57.643 - as the secretary apparently I'm gonna be working hard to get the meeting minutes out quickly and make 00:52:57.643 --> 00:53:03.955 - it so that we can have a Detailed and thorough agenda as far in advance of each next meeting as possible 00:53:03.955 --> 00:53:09.967 - So the public has time to ask the individual members questions to do research to compare the agenda 00:53:09.967 --> 00:53:15.198 - with previous items in the Sheridan plan and come to the meeting informed I understand 00:53:15.554 --> 00:53:22.390 - the value of comment before the meeting, the only reservation I have is that sometimes it can dislocate 00:53:22.390 --> 00:53:28.963 - the agenda by initial public comment, pulling items from later in the agenda forward into immediate 00:53:28.963 --> 00:53:35.733 - discussion. I'm not opposed to comment at the beginning of the meeting. I was curious, do you have any 00:53:35.733 --> 00:53:42.437 - thoughts on how to make those opening comments as productive as possible? Offhand, I don't. Okay. One 00:53:42.437 --> 00:53:44.606 - thing I will say that I searched 00:53:44.706 --> 00:53:52.569 - very diligently yesterday for the Richland Township budget. I could not find it. If I wanted the Richland 00:53:52.569 --> 00:54:00.506 - Township of Pennsylvania, I could find it, but there are a lot of Richland Townships. So Googling Richland 00:54:00.506 --> 00:54:08.072 - Township doesn't get you where you want to be. It would be useful to know what monies are being spent 00:54:08.072 --> 00:54:11.262 - in the township so that we can think about 00:54:12.482 --> 00:54:20.109 - convergence between the town and the township, and maybe where they can support one another properly. 00:54:20.109 --> 00:54:27.661 - But unless there's sort of clear budgets that are articulated for both jurisdictions, pretty hard to 00:54:27.661 --> 00:54:35.288 - have a conversation. The township does have a published budget. It is on the State of Indiana Gateway 00:54:35.288 --> 00:54:39.102 - website. Yeah, the Gateway website is very shoddy. 00:54:39.522 --> 00:54:47.301 - because you pick up about three different gateways and the information on the first page of the gateway 00:54:47.301 --> 00:54:55.005 - is lousy. You do have to figure out how to navigate it because I've been on there, yes. So if you want 00:54:55.005 --> 00:55:02.485 - to discourage public input, go to the gateway because it'll get you nothing. I can only do so much, 00:55:02.485 --> 00:55:07.422 - I'm a board member, I'm not the trustee. We can look at finding a 00:55:08.738 --> 00:55:13.911 - better way of getting the budgets in one area for the reorganization committee. I don't know how easy 00:55:13.911 --> 00:55:19.186 - that will be, though, and I don't want to let the perfect get in the way of the good. But I assume that 00:55:19.186 --> 00:55:24.359 - none of us want to be individually answering and re-answering the same questions repeatedly. Correct. 00:55:24.359 --> 00:55:29.533 - So it's in our interest as much as we can collect publicly available information and provide links to 00:55:29.533 --> 00:55:34.757 - it or screenshots like this is where we're getting our information, this is where you can get the same 00:55:34.757 --> 00:55:36.126 - information we're getting. 00:55:36.322 --> 00:55:44.688 - because we might just need to link to the budget. I was gonna say, we can probably get a link on the 00:55:44.688 --> 00:55:53.054 - Township website that will take you straight to the Township budget. I can look into that. I will do 00:55:53.054 --> 00:56:01.421 - my best to get that done. And if it's not an easy thing, then I will do my best to get it so that it 00:56:01.421 --> 00:56:04.734 - is easily found. The first page of the, 00:56:05.442 --> 00:56:11.228 - The first page I went to was a township website, but I didn't get the satisfaction that I could get 00:56:11.228 --> 00:56:17.189 - the budget there. So getting a link there would be helpful. There's also the local government, it goes 00:56:17.189 --> 00:56:23.322 - by the acronym, LG. DLGF? Department of Local Government Finance. Department of Local Government Finance, 00:56:23.322 --> 00:56:29.166 - yeah. And maybe they have some clarity, but I don't know. I think that's under the gateway portal. I 00:56:29.166 --> 00:56:35.358 - think that's who operates the gateway portal. I agree. They obviously don't want anybody looking carefully 00:56:36.546 --> 00:56:43.359 - No government wanting to highlight is doing with money on her shot face. It takes quite some time to 00:56:43.359 --> 00:56:50.105 - find exactly what you're looking for on there. That is for sure. All right. Other things we need to 00:56:50.105 --> 00:56:56.985 - move. Did you want to revisit? I wanted to do the question. Yeah, do we want to revisit the the thing 00:56:56.985 --> 00:57:03.933 - about doing it at the beginning is that's a shotgun approach. And if you've got seven different items. 00:57:03.933 --> 00:57:05.822 - And if you're doing a menu, 00:57:06.754 --> 00:57:13.493 - approach and you get the shotgun that you never know. You get to their talk. They're bringing things 00:57:13.493 --> 00:57:20.165 - from the agenda that we haven't even discussed yet. And it's not in order, right? So if you did, if 00:57:20.165 --> 00:57:27.171 - you wanted to do it at the beginning, do it at the beginning of each one. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. 00:57:27.171 --> 00:57:33.310 - Or do it before you know, does that make sense what we do at the councils before any votes? 00:57:33.602 --> 00:57:43.245 - That's what I'm just gonna recommend is after discussion so that they know what's upcoming because they 00:57:43.245 --> 00:57:52.702 - may be asking a question that we will be able to answer in our discussion that we have up here. Yeah, 00:57:52.702 --> 00:58:02.067 - I think before we make any votes, anything binding, maybe that's when we solicit the public opinion, 00:58:02.067 --> 00:58:03.550 - public comment. 00:58:04.130 --> 00:58:08.955 - And it could change. Yeah. Well, the nice thing is we can adjust it later if we want. Right. I'm in 00:58:08.955 --> 00:58:13.924 - favor of putting in some slot for public comment at the beginning of the meeting. So if someone really 00:58:13.924 --> 00:58:18.990 - wants to speak, then maybe they can't even stay till the end of the meeting. Maybe they have a schedule. 00:58:18.990 --> 00:58:23.815 - That's true. I want to make sure that they have the opportunity to be heard. But we can also say we 00:58:23.815 --> 00:58:28.640 - will be asking for comment before a vote on this agenda item and before a vote on this agenda item. 00:58:28.640 --> 00:58:31.390 - So if they have a particular item they want to speak on, 00:58:32.226 --> 00:58:39.489 - we can let them know at the beginning of the meeting we intend for public comment on this. I love that. 00:58:39.489 --> 00:58:46.473 - Yes. You asked, I think maybe framing some specific questions at the outset of the meeting, because 00:58:46.473 --> 00:58:53.666 - I sent some questions in yesterday. To whom did you send them? That's what we have here. Gotcha. There 00:58:53.666 --> 00:59:01.278 - are some fundamental things that need to be discussed early on. I still have not seen Fritz and someone make 00:59:01.378 --> 00:59:11.914 - And I looked at the AEM website. And AEM is the acronym for Accelerate Indiana Municipalities, which 00:59:11.914 --> 00:59:22.867 - used to be the Indiana Association of County and State Governments. But they have a very useful summary, 00:59:22.867 --> 00:59:29.022 - executive summary, and then discussion of the legislation. 00:59:29.218 --> 00:59:38.236 - But there are lots of still unknowns. But one of the issues I've not seen addressed anywhere is what 00:59:38.236 --> 00:59:47.342 - are the fiscal consequences of Senate Bill 1? We don't know there is exactly yet. The township or the 00:59:47.342 --> 00:59:56.271 - town. Without that information, it's pretty hard to frame a plan to respond to the legislation that 00:59:56.271 --> 00:59:57.342 - was passed. 00:59:58.018 --> 01:00:08.431 - Mike, can you address that? Well, Senate Bill 1, as it relates to the town's finances, we have Baker 01:00:08.431 --> 01:00:18.844 - Tilley, who is our accountant, has taken care of us for a few decades. They've walked us through the 01:00:18.844 --> 01:00:27.710 - process. And we know what the outcome will be by 2028. And it's nothing but negative. 01:00:28.002 --> 01:00:35.155 - I don't know that we want to go through it all right now. I mean, this is something we're going to have 01:00:35.155 --> 01:00:42.033 - to talk about at some point. Every once in a while, a citizen should be able to come in and talk to 01:00:42.033 --> 01:00:49.118 - somebody about this whole process and be able to get a one-on-one and ask individual questions so they 01:00:49.118 --> 01:00:55.102 - can come prepared to the meetings. And so the information is there, but in a nutshell, 01:00:55.298 --> 01:01:02.913 - Our budgets for the next couple of years are going to be flat. There's no raises. We've not been able 01:01:02.913 --> 01:01:10.379 - to rehire safety people we have now. And with that said, in 2028, we'll be a half a million dollars 01:01:10.379 --> 01:01:17.844 - in the red no matter what we do. The state has set us up to fail. And so this is one of the reasons 01:01:17.844 --> 01:01:24.414 - we're looking at reorganization. Reorganization itself will create a windfall of money. 01:01:24.546 --> 01:01:32.681 - but it is a way to stabilize the situation. It's exactly what the state wants us to do. I'd be glad 01:01:32.681 --> 01:01:41.466 - to show you the bottom line. And I think the subcommittees. I would like to see sort of the fiscal analysis 01:01:41.466 --> 01:01:49.438 - has to be part of this. Well, that is one of the things. Rather than sort of generalizations like 01:01:49.538 --> 01:01:55.709 - It's negative. This is not negative for the people who are getting the property tax break. Yeah, Mr. 01:01:55.709 --> 01:02:02.003 - Perry, the subcommittees will be, when the plan is put to us, I don't think it'll go 10 years out, but 01:02:02.003 --> 01:02:08.113 - the financial impacts will be part of that plan, correct? Yes. Because we have to have some type of 01:02:08.113 --> 01:02:14.467 - fiscal plan when this is submitted for approval of both councils. So this- We might be able to publicly 01:02:14.467 --> 01:02:18.622 - send that to you, the analysis, if you will. It won't be, you know, 01:02:18.914 --> 01:02:25.494 - You won't get every nut and bolt that's involved in the analysis, but we can send it to you. 01:02:25.494 --> 01:02:32.922 - And like I said, it's a negative. It's positive for the property owners now, but the intent of the state 01:02:32.922 --> 01:02:40.280 - is for the towns to recoup some of that money through local income tax. And so it's pretty complicated. 01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:48.062 - And we can send you the information, but. I'd be happy to get the information, because I haven't seen it yet. 01:02:48.770 --> 01:02:55.333 - All right. Do we need to go back and amend our motion on public comment at meetings? I don't think it 01:02:55.333 --> 01:03:01.832 - will hurt to amend it. Okay. I move that we amend the motion to have public comment at the beginning 01:03:01.832 --> 01:03:08.910 - and end of every meeting with a five minute time limit and the board to have discretion to request additional 01:03:08.910 --> 01:03:11.998 - comment at any time during the meeting. Second. 01:03:17.410 --> 01:03:25.843 - was yes Kevin William yes Dawn we have somebody who is wanting to make some public comment yes sorry 01:03:25.843 --> 01:03:34.861 - my name is Clark Greiner I'm with the Bloomington e-commerce corporation I come to a lot of public meetings 01:03:34.861 --> 01:03:41.374 - the one thing that it's strongly encourage you is to have a certain amount of 01:03:41.538 --> 01:03:47.391 - Protocol procedures and decorum with this because let's do the math really quick here You're going from 01:03:47.391 --> 01:03:53.132 - 7,000 people to 22,000 people gonna be included in that if you have 50 people show up Whether it's in 01:03:53.132 --> 01:03:59.041 - favor or against they all wish to speak. That's 250 minutes 250 minutes divided by 60 is over four point 01:03:59.041 --> 01:04:05.006 - That's over four hours of public comments that you are ready for so I would encourage you to say everyone 01:04:05.006 --> 01:04:06.526 - has to come to the mic and 01:04:06.658 --> 01:04:12.225 - Right? No talking from the audience. Number two, a certain amount of civility has to be required. But 01:04:12.225 --> 01:04:17.683 - I would keep it very structured because of the size and the magnitude of this. If it's too loose in 01:04:17.683 --> 01:04:23.414 - the front, then it's going to be very, very difficult to address all those questions. And you'll exhaust 01:04:23.414 --> 01:04:28.927 - the meeting. And you'll lose as many people on that side of it from what would seem to maybe be less 01:04:28.927 --> 01:04:34.494 - organized than it would be as if you have specific topics you want to talk about and cover those. And 01:04:34.494 --> 01:04:35.422 - so I would just. 01:04:35.714 --> 01:04:41.716 - offer that from an exercise of caution and think through that strategically, because the important side 01:04:41.716 --> 01:04:47.717 - of this too is also to make sure you're getting the message out and that all parties get heard, whether 01:04:47.717 --> 01:04:53.488 - you're in for or against. So I didn't just really encourage you to think about some of those things 01:04:53.488 --> 01:04:59.374 - when you're thinking about addressing the public in a greater way, because this is very important for 01:04:59.374 --> 01:05:04.510 - everybody here. Don't wanna burn the public out. No, no. I think it's important too that 01:05:05.122 --> 01:05:12.336 - questions or comments. A question should not take three minutes to get to the question. I mean, honestly, 01:05:12.336 --> 01:05:19.482 - if you're making a comment, give the information in the background. But some people say, I'm just asking 01:05:19.482 --> 01:05:26.356 - a question, and 10 minutes later, you still don't know the question. I'm not saying that will happen 01:05:26.356 --> 01:05:34.046 - here, but I've seen it in other places. So I think that's just something we're going to have to monitor ongoing. 01:05:34.306 --> 01:05:42.043 - I appreciate your input. Thank you. Yeah, I don't want to burn the public out or burn the board out. 01:05:42.043 --> 01:05:49.856 - I do want to make sure that we have the most open approach possible when we begin and then see how it 01:05:49.856 --> 01:05:57.516 - goes. If we had 150 people in this room all of a sudden, that one meeting might be really difficult 01:05:57.516 --> 01:06:02.878 - to get through. But I don't want to close off the option until we see 01:06:03.394 --> 01:06:11.594 - who and how many people start attending the meetings. That might be bad. And with all of the subcommittees, 01:06:11.594 --> 01:06:19.263 - any of those happening simultaneously and bringing all that information all at one time, all of this 01:06:19.263 --> 01:06:27.235 - is new. It's just gonna have to be played by ear. I'm really, really excited about finding out how other 01:06:27.235 --> 01:06:32.094 - people handle it. The other folks that have done this, whether, 01:06:32.418 --> 01:06:40.901 - whatever the outcome was, how they handled it, especially the fact, the fact-finding part of it, how 01:06:40.901 --> 01:06:49.048 - they handled the meetings. And I'm sure it changed. I'd love to see 50 people out there. I know. 01:06:49.048 --> 01:06:57.531 - I love this. I love seeing all these people. I've seen it before. But usually it's not a good thing. 01:06:57.531 --> 01:07:01.310 - Usually it's a bad thing. What do we do now? 01:07:02.082 --> 01:07:08.329 - We're in the middle of a vote, though. We were in the middle of a vote. Do we want to resume from the 01:07:08.329 --> 01:07:14.760 - top on that? Mike was a yes. I was a yes. Kevin was a yes. William was a yes. Dawn? Yes. Yes. And Scott? 01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:21.190 - Yes. Knowing that if we find that it makes the meetings too long or early, we can amend it. We can amend 01:07:21.190 --> 01:07:27.560 - it. Yes. Change it later. OK. Correct. We don't want the public to think they have to stick around till 01:07:27.560 --> 01:07:30.622 - midnight to make a comment. All right. Any other? 01:07:31.266 --> 01:07:40.991 - I do want to say that in the beginning when we were talking about the making this board, I was in contact 01:07:40.991 --> 01:07:50.807 - with Michelle Junkins. She was the former trustee of Adams Township and now works for the town of Sheridan 01:07:50.807 --> 01:07:58.238 - in the same capacity. And I did set up a meeting for, I had to, I went with the, 01:07:58.338 --> 01:08:06.134 - the attorneys and the town council members and the trustee board members just to get a date between 01:08:06.134 --> 01:08:13.930 - them and us what would work. So I do have a date of January 9th at 2.30. We will be meeting whoever 01:08:13.930 --> 01:08:21.804 - would like to go from this board. We do have a meeting with them on that day. Are we going up there? 01:08:21.804 --> 01:08:26.014 - Yes, we are going up there. You're gonna try to fool? 01:08:27.106 --> 01:08:32.540 - the carpool. Yes, yeah. It doesn't make any sense for all of us to drive that far. No, I agree. 01:08:32.540 --> 01:08:38.257 - But that way, and she's going to have. Sy will be there too, right? Yes, Sy, there will be. He's the 01:08:38.257 --> 01:08:44.200 - council president from Sheridan that I've spoken with on this. And her as the trustee in both positions, 01:08:44.200 --> 01:08:49.917 - and I think there's gonna be maybe a couple of other, a board member and council member. And she did 01:08:49.917 --> 01:08:55.747 - say that if we want future meetings with public safety and there are different people, that that would 01:08:55.747 --> 01:08:56.766 - be an option too. 01:09:02.050 --> 01:09:11.228 - I want to go. Yeah, definitely. All right. So I don't think we have anything else for to do. We need 01:09:11.228 --> 01:09:20.588 - to elect the president and we have a public comment. I think, yeah, that's kind of what I, that's what 01:09:20.588 --> 01:09:28.766 - I know. So hello, I'm Liz Spinal. I'm also county council at large here in Monroe County. 01:09:29.442 --> 01:09:35.275 - But I also kept thinking about, since I heard everything and I wanted to see if I had, I made a list 01:09:35.275 --> 01:09:41.108 - here, so I only have two things. And so I wondered if working with the county's GIS department would 01:09:41.108 --> 01:09:47.518 - be helpful in working with you to get maps? Yeah, I can reach out to Trone. I think they would be very useful. 01:09:48.002 --> 01:09:53.550 - And then as far as disseminating information, postcards are great, but I also, you know, I come from 01:09:53.550 --> 01:09:59.207 - a long time ago, and so billboards were pretty effective. They go up, you control the message, there's 01:09:59.207 --> 01:10:04.700 - no misunderstanding what it says because you control the message, and all of that. So that's a 24-7 01:10:04.700 --> 01:10:10.303 - advertisement. So if you could put something up about meeting whatever you're doing the first and the 01:10:10.303 --> 01:10:13.214 - third Wednesdays, whatever the time is, where it is, 01:10:13.666 --> 01:10:19.695 - who to contact, just some kind of simple information, and maybe websites where they can get information. 01:10:19.695 --> 01:10:24.977 - You can get quite a bit on a billboard. So I think billboards are a good bang for the buck. 01:10:24.977 --> 01:10:30.776 - I always have. And you have plenty of them going up on 46 here. And then you would have people begin 01:10:30.776 --> 01:10:36.747 - to talk about it. Did you see it on the billboard? That kind of thing. So I think that would be useful. 01:10:36.747 --> 01:10:42.718 - Those are my two suggestions on what I've heard. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you for coming here tonight. 01:10:44.450 --> 01:10:51.069 - I do have a question. It has been said that it's every other week, but it's also been said that it's 01:10:51.069 --> 01:10:57.623 - the first and the third Wednesday, which does not exactly align with every other week. Right. Let's 01:10:57.623 --> 01:11:04.438 - just do every other week. I think every other week is okay. And if we have to adjust for a BZA meeting, 01:11:04.438 --> 01:11:11.188 - we'll do that. There you go. Every other week. Yes, every other week. It works out twice a month until 01:11:11.188 --> 01:11:14.334 - April, I think. And that starts on January 7th. 01:11:14.850 --> 01:11:21.590 - starting January 7th, correct? At six. At six. And here? Here. We voted on that. Do we need to amend 01:11:21.590 --> 01:11:28.731 - that? We voted first and third Wednesday of each month. Now we want every other Wednesday starting January 01:11:28.731 --> 01:11:35.405 - 7th. That's what I'd say. We can either do that or wait for the seventh member to come in. And that 01:11:35.405 --> 01:11:42.078 - way they have something to vote on. We have to keep in mind for the next meeting, I would recommend 01:11:42.078 --> 01:11:44.414 - that we have, start getting names. 01:11:44.866 --> 01:11:50.997 - from both the township and the town people and the public. I want the public to start submitting just 01:11:50.997 --> 01:11:57.067 - if you wanna be part of this process and list kind of what your area of expertise is because we will 01:11:57.067 --> 01:12:03.138 - need to start these subcommittees. We're gonna need to appoint them pretty quick and get them up and 01:12:03.138 --> 01:12:09.328 - running fast. I don't want the next meeting to say, well, we'll do the subcommittees the next meeting. 01:12:09.328 --> 01:12:12.574 - We really don't wanna get this tied up in the process 01:12:13.122 --> 01:12:22.565 - So I would suggest that we have a great pool of names to go through as a council. And that way we can, 01:12:22.565 --> 01:12:32.100 - when we're talking about with the subcommittees, we can go ahead and start recommending people to those 01:12:32.100 --> 01:12:38.334 - subcommittees. Thoughts? I'm in favor of getting the subcommittees. 01:12:39.618 --> 01:12:45.697 - Set up as soon as we can. And I think it would be good, you know, when we're posting in the Ellsville 01:12:45.697 --> 01:12:51.836 - High Neighbor and whatever we can put on the township and the town regarding our next meeting is that, 01:12:51.836 --> 01:12:57.797 - you know, we're looking for, these are at least our current subcommittees that we're thinking about 01:12:57.797 --> 01:13:03.817 - having. And if you have any expertise in those areas that we would like for you to apply. And that's 01:13:03.817 --> 01:13:09.598 - one question that was asked to me. Do we want to limit this just to Richland Township residents? 01:13:12.322 --> 01:13:19.488 - Yes. I think so too, because they're the ones that- They're going to be affected by it. I don't think 01:13:19.488 --> 01:13:27.005 - that people who don't live here should have- Okay. How big are we thinking about the subcommittees needing 01:13:27.005 --> 01:13:34.030 - to be? Obviously, if each subcommittee had seven people versus three people- I think they have- How 01:13:34.030 --> 01:13:38.878 - many, do you remember the subcommittees, was it five that they have? 01:13:40.930 --> 01:13:46.406 - The number of subcommittees, there were six subcommittees. I don't know how many people were on each 01:13:46.406 --> 01:13:51.827 - committee, if that's what you were asking. Do you know, Mike? Well, you're gonna need them for land 01:13:51.827 --> 01:13:57.249 - use planning, safety, police fire. I know, but I'm talking about how many members per subcommittee. 01:13:57.249 --> 01:14:02.887 - Oh, how many actual members? Right. I don't recall seeing that in the land. I can find out. Okay. We'll 01:14:02.887 --> 01:14:08.525 - just try to mirror that, and again, we can adjust that. And with the subcommittees, if, you know, just, 01:14:08.525 --> 01:14:10.206 - again, this is my thought, is, 01:14:10.626 --> 01:14:16.500 - if we decide on subcommittees and then find out the next meeting, oh darn, there's another one we hadn't 01:14:16.500 --> 01:14:22.373 - thought about, we reserve the right to, it's not like they all have to be done at the same time. I mean, 01:14:22.373 --> 01:14:27.967 - you guys all agree to that? If there's... Because we might find out when we go, I mean, our meeting 01:14:27.967 --> 01:14:33.561 - is gonna be on the seventh, and so our meeting with Sheridan's on the ninth, we might find out that 01:14:33.561 --> 01:14:35.966 - there's something else that would be good. 01:14:42.818 --> 01:14:49.192 - We covered everything we need to legally tonight. Is that correct? Pretty much the other topic you might 01:14:49.192 --> 01:14:55.444 - think about is how much assistance you want from either Eric or I or both of us and from Baker-Tilley. 01:14:55.444 --> 01:15:01.636 - If you intend to use Baker-Tilley to help prepare your report that has to be filed with the DLGF, how 01:15:01.636 --> 01:15:07.706 - often you want us or them to attend meetings. It may not be every meeting. It may be every meeting. 01:15:07.706 --> 01:15:11.166 - But just think about what you would like to see from us. 01:15:13.314 --> 01:15:20.631 - I'd say wait until we get more facts. Yeah, until, are there any statutory subcommittees that we have 01:15:20.631 --> 01:15:27.948 - to appoint? Are those just recommendations that can share? I think those are recommendations. I mean, 01:15:27.948 --> 01:15:35.193 - there are certain, yeah, there are certain things. It would make sense. I mean, why would you not do 01:15:35.193 --> 01:15:42.366 - a road, you know, where public works? But I just, I don't want for us to miss one and then find out 01:15:42.978 --> 01:15:52.466 - right before the process is done, if not legally. The process seems pretty open-ended, doesn't it? I 01:15:52.466 --> 01:16:01.954 - think the legislature left it open for you to have wide discretion in how this is handled. So on the 01:16:01.954 --> 01:16:11.349 - topic of attorney representation, do we need them at our next meeting? Do we want to have them one, 01:16:11.349 --> 01:16:12.382 - two, vote? 01:16:13.026 --> 01:16:20.903 - I don't know how we want to do that. I don't know how we would do it without both. What's that? I don't 01:16:20.903 --> 01:16:28.478 - know how we would do it without both. I just think it looks better with both. This is both township 01:16:28.478 --> 01:16:36.204 - residents know they have the attorney for the township board there and town know we have our attorney 01:16:36.204 --> 01:16:42.718 - there. And I think something that might be useful if others agree, especially once we 01:16:42.946 --> 01:16:50.531 - have the seventh person identified would be to have perhaps a short training, a presentation of the 01:16:50.531 --> 01:16:58.344 - process and the overview because different people become aware of this and engage with it at different 01:16:58.344 --> 01:17:06.080 - times. I'm guessing that the seventh person may be even less aware of the overall process. So just to 01:17:06.080 --> 01:17:09.342 - help us to be on the same page in terms of 01:17:10.786 --> 01:17:18.342 - the process procedures, how we're moving forward, and I think that would be useful for the public as 01:17:18.342 --> 01:17:25.972 - well. Does everyone on this committee have a draft of the copy of the Sheridan-Adams merger plan? No. 01:17:25.972 --> 01:17:33.602 - Okay. I'll send it to you. All right. Because I think that's crucial to kind of- Any valid doubt, and 01:17:33.602 --> 01:17:36.894 - I have my companies in my track. All right. 01:17:38.978 --> 01:17:46.530 - back to the question of when we meet. You had said earlier that you would like to have a postcard before 01:17:46.530 --> 01:17:54.299 - the next meeting. That postcard cannot include our schedule if you don't set the schedule. That is correct. 01:17:54.299 --> 01:18:01.851 - So every two weeks. I'll move to amend the meeting schedule that it will now be every two weeks starting 01:18:01.851 --> 01:18:06.814 - January 7th. I'll second. Okay, let's roll back up. Every two weeks. 01:18:07.842 --> 01:18:16.704 - That's more room there. All right, Mike. Yes. Me, yes. Kevin. Yes. William. Yes. Don. Yes. Scott. Yes. 01:18:16.704 --> 01:18:25.309 - Okay. And Mike, for the first postcard at least with our meeting schedule, do you think there would 01:18:25.309 --> 01:18:34.171 - be, I mean, we'll have to bring it up to the town council, obviously, but does the town have the funds 01:18:34.171 --> 01:18:35.806 - to do that? We do. 01:18:37.410 --> 01:18:43.731 - Because we'll have to do that. The turnaround time's got to be quick. Now when you say you have the 01:18:43.731 --> 01:18:50.241 - funds to do that, are you talking you have the funds once or you have the funds twice? I'm pretty sure 01:18:50.241 --> 01:18:56.752 - we can make it twice. Twice, OK. And at some point, we need to talk about costs incurred until the end 01:18:56.752 --> 01:19:03.326 - of this. It won't be a small amount of money. The second mailing was not going to be needed until later 01:19:03.326 --> 01:19:05.854 - in the process, though. That's correct. 01:19:12.290 --> 01:19:25.563 - Anything else do you guys think? All right. Well, we have our town council meeting coming up in 10 minutes. 01:19:25.563 --> 01:19:38.098 - So does anybody want to say anything? My name is Pamela Davidson. I've lived in the township probably 01:19:38.098 --> 01:19:41.662 - 45 years. My kids are proud. 01:19:41.922 --> 01:19:49.790 - Edgewood graduates. I'm an attorney, but I'm also a fundraiser. And here's what's missing, all of you. 01:19:49.790 --> 01:19:57.506 - I've listened to process. I've listened to procedure. I love that stuff. Eric and I eat that up. But 01:19:57.506 --> 01:20:05.145 - in fundraising, every nonprofit has to have a mission statement. Why are we doing this? And I think 01:20:05.145 --> 01:20:10.110 - this is the missing ingredient. Those of us in the township know 01:20:10.242 --> 01:20:17.284 - that this terrible Senate bill is ripping dollars that are needed from all sorts of public entities. 01:20:17.284 --> 01:20:19.166 - We are well aware of that. 01:20:19.298 --> 01:20:26.142 - And I know this group is saying, oh, the township can help us do this, but what is the mission statement 01:20:26.142 --> 01:20:32.921 - of the merger that benefits both? And I would add to this, because I'm in an area of fundraising called 01:20:32.921 --> 01:20:39.440 - charitable gift planning, and we're all about raising money for endowment in the future. What's the 01:20:39.440 --> 01:20:45.502 - vision? I've said several times on Facebook, gosh, there's lots of empty properties for sale 01:20:45.602 --> 01:20:52.237 - Ellitsville, there always have been. I've lived here for decades and decades. Have never really seen 01:20:52.237 --> 01:20:59.069 - a robust downtown. Thank you, caffeinated cook and some other things that have come around. The library 01:20:59.069 --> 01:21:06.230 - is fabulous, all those things. But our own backyard, the town of Ellitsville has issues in its own backyard. 01:21:06.230 --> 01:21:12.997 - So those of us in the township said, hey, what's in it for us? Because if you haven't managed your own 01:21:12.997 --> 01:21:13.982 - backyard well, 01:21:14.146 --> 01:21:21.019 - to expand and say, you can help us raise our revenue problems, and have this, you're the panacea for 01:21:21.019 --> 01:21:27.892 - our issues. So I would say, what's the vision? Because communication, meetings, all those things are 01:21:27.892 --> 01:21:34.833 - wonderful, but what's the purpose of the merger in terms of the well-being of both entities, and what 01:21:34.833 --> 01:21:41.841 - does the vision hold for making that a better thing than not merging? And I would say, you gotta start 01:21:41.841 --> 01:21:42.590 - with that. 01:21:42.850 --> 01:21:50.749 - Because without that, you really can't go anywhere because otherwise it's just spin and process. So 01:21:50.749 --> 01:21:59.201 - that's my conclusion thus far and I'd go back and take a big step backwards and go into that first because 01:21:59.201 --> 01:22:07.101 - if you can't enumerate it or elucidate it, then you can't convince anybody. So that's my sense thus 01:22:07.101 --> 01:22:11.998 - far. Have you seen, Pamela, have you seen the, what's on the, 01:22:12.578 --> 01:22:20.342 - It's on the Ellitsville page, their website. It doesn't actually say mission statement or vision, but 01:22:20.342 --> 01:22:28.183 - they have some facts about the overview, the purpose, the key benefits, important context, and it does 01:22:28.183 --> 01:22:35.262 - talk about it having to go through a public referendum. But it's on the Ellitsville website. 01:22:35.682 --> 01:22:41.927 - I will look at that, and I'm glad you pointed that out to me, because that's what I would work on, because 01:22:41.927 --> 01:22:47.881 - you've got to make a case for support. That's what we always say in fundraising. What's your case for 01:22:47.881 --> 01:22:53.951 - support? I want to temper expectations. This merger will help stabilize the funds for both the township 01:22:53.951 --> 01:22:59.905 - and the town. It's not going to fix the hole. It's just going to help make sure that both are unified 01:22:59.905 --> 01:23:03.582 - together and we don't have the hole get bigger for each of us. 01:23:04.098 --> 01:23:09.776 - So I mean, it's one of those things that together we're stronger and we'll also give more direct 01:23:09.776 --> 01:23:16.040 - representation for everybody in Richland Township. Right now they have one person that actually represents 01:23:16.040 --> 01:23:22.187 - them that lives in the township representing their needs. This will give them, not ignoring the township 01:23:22.187 --> 01:23:28.041 - board at all, but they have a very limited control of what they can do. But this is gonna give them 01:23:28.041 --> 01:23:32.958 - more direct control of their local government. And I think that more direct control 01:23:33.058 --> 01:23:40.206 - from the public on what they want for their community is always gonna be more important than putting 01:23:40.206 --> 01:23:47.424 - it out to someone else, be it in the courthouse, be it in the state house, or be it in DC. Thank you, 01:23:47.424 --> 01:23:54.501 - I'll look at that document, thank you. And we are going to need to adjourn. So Dawn, would you like 01:23:54.501 --> 01:24:00.446 - to bang the gavel and adjourn? That's my favorite part. All right, we're adjourned.