- Si, I was all set. I had my flag. I got in the pamphlet and the mail the week before. A beautiful weekend
- was planned at the Polish-American Suds Festival in Panawonomi, Wisconsin. I'd plan to show you the
- footage this very week. Well, things happen for a reason, don't they? And although it's impossible to
- draw a straight line between my broken carburetor and the Monroe County Fall Festival, let's try, shall we?
- You're going to have to tell me the story here about how you got involved in collecting a lot of Coca-Cola
- stuff. We've collected them for years and years and years. How did you start? What was the first piece
- that you got? Oh, goodness, probably trays.
- Now, these are reproductions. These are reproductions. Now, everyone should have the IU Tower.
- That's right. All colleagues. That's still Bobby when he had brown hair. That's right. Now, in Philadelphia,
- these were selling as empty little mini-coat cases. See the nails? Yes, and they had little bottles.
- I remember that. And they had bottles in them, but they were plastic molded together, $35. And I thought, geez.
- We have the miniature cases. We'll sell them for $9.50 and throw in the toothpicks. Now, what lady wouldn't
- like to have one of those for the shelf? I wonder. For kids and table? I wonder. Actually, my image
- of what Santa Claus looks like comes a lot from those old ads. Sure. It never quite looks that good
- in the department store. That's right. And of course, we have the Sprite yo-yo. This is the yo-yo.
- Yeah, if you ever use the yoyo. Okay, now here's a question for you. Can you remember the first Coca-Cola
- you ever had? The first Coca-Cola you ever bought? Well, you've been a Republican for how long?
- Well, I have to tell you about my age. I've been a Republican for 50 years. 50 years? Well, that's a
- long time. So you've always voted Republican. That's quite a record. No, I voted for Kennedy. You did,
- huh? Well, so you feel good about the election this year? I certainly do, sure. Well, good luck to you.
- I hope things go OK for you. Thank you kindly. It's always good to be on the winning side. It certainly is, sure.
- Hi, how are you doing? We're from Channel 3 and thought we'd ask you a few questions. Just finished
- talking to Republicans and thought we'd walk across the way here and talk to you all. How does it feel?
- I guess you guys are coexisting peacefully, he said, at least until November, huh? There hasn't been
- a Democrat in the State House for a long time. Twenty years. Twenty years. I imagine you have a pretty
- good feeling about that.
- It's a 30 gallon kettle and we start out with 30 gallon of cider and boil it down to about 15 gallon
- and then we put 15 gallon of apple sauce in that and boil it down again about half.
- So we end up with approximately 12 to 15 gallon of apple butter. This is great. So how long has your
- family been making this? We started just four years ago. Four years ago. So this kettle is heating the
- mixture and what does the churning do? Keeps it from burning.
- Just like when you cook anything, you don't want it to burn. So this is what does it. It's a copper
- kettle. And once it burns in the copper kettle, then you have to dump it out and start all over again.
- That's happened to you before? No. It hasn't happened yet. Not yet. So then you can can this and store
- it for a while. Right. Do you ever find yourself with too much apple butter? No, we never have enough.
- You never have enough.
- Last year, we didn't have any for ourselves. We sold it on, so we cooked us a batch at home. They always
- say the butcher's dog is the one who starves. That's a good example. 1 Peter 5 and 8 says, to be sober
- and to be vigilant, for your adversary the devil is walking about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he
- may devour.
- by listening to a lot of this music over and over and over again, and then little by little, because
- that's how it ever even happened to me, then I started into the drug scene.
- you're no longer sober, and you're no longer vigilant, and even in alcohol, and you believe. I mean,
- you actually believe in the country. They're superheroes today. John Baker has been an evangelist for
- the last seven years, and I've been in jail and prison evangelism for the last five years.
- long before I ever gave my heart to God. I played in rock and roll bands and I've always been musically
- minded. I write songs and I've made five recordings myself. But we see the change in America and we
- believe that it all starts right here in rock music. How long have you lived here? About 12 years.
- 12 years, huh? Where are you from originally?
- Detroit, Michigan? Yeah. So you moved from a pretty big city to a small town. How did that come about?
- Well, I just moved. How do you think you moved? Well, a lot of people like to stay in a large city all
- their lives, but you moved from a... Oh, I was in larger cities than that before. Yeah, I was in New
- York. New York City? You lived in New York City for a while? Yeah.
- I liked it there. So after all that traveling, all that moving around, you finally come to Ellisville,
- Indiana. How did you get here? How did you come to choose Ellisville as a place to live? I didn't choose
- it. I come here, that's all. You just came here, huh? Yeah, I was going to go ahead and go to Indianapolis,
- which is a big city, and I said that's too big for nobody because nobody that's anybody is in Indianapolis.
- And so I said, the best thing to do is get out of there and look for something nicer and smaller. So
- I came to Bloomington. And then they found out that there's a lot of homes here for sales, so I come
- up here. And that's how I'm here. Well, that's great. What did you do when you were in Detroit? What
- was your occupation? Oh, investigator. You were a private investigator? Not a private investigator for
- an insurance company.
- That's good. That's interesting work. So it took you all over the country then? It did. It took me all
- over. So you've traveled around a lot and seen a lot of the country and traveled around the world in
- different places. How would you rate Allittsville as a place to live compared to other places you've
- lived in your life? I would compare, this stands out in comparison as far as any other city is concerned.
- Because all cities are the same as this, but this has only got one feature here that the other cities
- haven't. Here, they don't want to grow. Here, they don't want to expand. Here, when you talk to older
- people, they say, oh, we like it just the way it is. You see what I mean? So you don't have to worry
- about it, because if the council has anything in mind, the people here kill it. You see what I mean?
- So you're in good hands when you're right here.
- Or in the other cities, if you go to, like I've been in smaller towns, too. Now, I was up in Adrian,
- Michigan, which is a good-sized town, but it has a couple of factories there. And people like to be
- where there's factories so they can go to work. Right. People here don't like factories because there's
- no work. Here, they like to fool around, take it easy, and watch for storms or rain or anything like
- that. And turn around and say, oh, hopefully we don't get a thunderstorm.
- They'll go about their business afterwards. I'm on the air. Oh, hello, everybody. Hello. Thanks for
- talking to us. Martha Parks Jumay. And Martha, you worked for, what did you say, 27 years at the New
- Mode shop? Oh, about 30 years I worked. 30 years at New Mode, which is beyond Square and Bloomington.
- And you used to do the teens and the pre-teens. 7 to 14, the pre-teens.
- And after finishing that career, you went on to bake pies. I baked pies for 60 years. 60 years, huh?
- Actually, I should, while Jeff is shooting Martha here... Don't shoot me, yeah. When you came in, I
- wondered if... It's only a technical term, Martha. Don't worry. We're going to treat you really nice.
- This is an extraordinary
- coconut cream pie that was made from scratch. It was. Okay, Martha, first question is, where did you
- get the recipe? Nobody passed it on to you? No, no, I watched Mother make them. You watched Mom make
- them? I just put it in. Was this your mom's specialty? No. She used to bake all the time? Everything.
- Everything was my mother's specialty. Sunday dinner.
- I'm sure it doesn't apply to the women at this table, but there aren't many women who can really put
- on a good Sunday spread anymore. Maybe eating with the last three women in the United States who can
- do it. Make sure you get this on film, Jeff. Is this your favorite type of pie to bake?
- Okay, what's your favorite? Chocolate. Chocolate pie? Dorothy was making the chocolate when I got here.
- Gosh, this is good. So she said Martha makes some coconut pies and some pumpkin and pumpkin is my least
- favorite pie of anything. The truth is that you got up at 4.30 in the morning? No, I got here about
- 6.30. 6.30, you got to sleep late. And ordinarily I sleep about 9.30 again. So do I. That was good for
- her this morning.
- Well, I couldn't believe that I could get up. But there were a lot of women you said here that were
- here? Oh, sure. They were here when I got here. Before the sun was up. They were already baking when
- I got here. They were baking up here in this little kitchen over here. I'll just shoot later. We just
- had two stoves. Two stoves. And out of that, you baked how many pies this morning? Let's see.
- There was 31. There were 35. 37 pies. Two compers. Two compers.
- Well, maybe we'll get maybe one other person and I'll lock myself up here with the 37 pies and see what
- I can do. Would you like to have a piece of that pie? That's a good idea. This will do wonders for you,
- wonders for you. This is marvelous, marvelous pie. So, you've never bought pie from a store? No, not me.
- You can tell the difference blindfolded, right? Yes, our cake either. I don't buy boxes of anything.
- If I'm going to cook it, I cook it. You would have served, what, Vietnam? Well, no, I was in the zone.
- I just happened to be in Cuba. In Cuba? Yeah, in Cuba during the Bay of Pigs, sorry to say, and also
- the Cuban Missile Crisis.
- We were at Guantanamo? Yes sir. And this was in 1962? 1962. That was a pretty interesting time. We were
- very close to war. President Kennedy and Mr. Khrushchev. It was sort of a trying time for us down there
- too because we didn't radio silence and we really didn't know what was happening
- We didn't know anything about it until we got back to the States at the time. You were in the U.S. Navy?
- Yes, sir. We brought back all the dependents from Guantanamo Bay at the time. We brought the women and
- children back from down there. It was getting ready for war is what it was at the time. That's the way
- that they had looked at it.
- So tell us a little bit about the Bay of Pigs invasion. Now, that was an operation by a group of Cuban
- nationals that were based in Florida. And with some help, I guess, from the U.S. military, mostly strategic
- help and transport help, they made a landing, I guess. Right, they did make the landing.
- We were set offshore, but we were told that we wouldn't be involved. Alls we were was sort of a delivery
- service for the Cuban nationals, is what it was. We delivered approximately about 15,000 Cuban nationals
- on the shore. Some of them made it, some of them didn't.
- It was a pretty sad scene. You waited offshore. Could you see the hostilities going on? We couldn't.
- We couldn't. We set off 10 miles off. Our guns could have reached it. We set just far enough off where
- the guns of the ship could reach it, but we didn't. We were told that we wouldn't fire. The guns weren't
- even ready to fire, so we were just there as a delivery service.
- When the hostilities and the action was over at the Bay of Pigs, you basically served as medical? Right,
- and then we started evacuations then. We brought back probably two-thirds of what we took over there.
- Most of them didn't even hit the beach. Most of them were taken prisoner before, just as they'd come on shore.
- You might have been worried at the time that you would have been even indirectly involved in it. Right.
- Just by being in the vicinity. Right. That was the whole thing. We were afraid that if we were attacked,
- we didn't know at the time whether we would fight back or not even. It was sort of a sticky situation,
- really. It was not very well thought out. It was something that was just
- You know, there's no telling where the ideas on riding on air eventually end up.
- I know this is a limited access station, but hey, I'm sure you've all heard the story of the Hindenburg
- broadcast that was trapped inside that radio, purchased in an Omaha garage sale in 1973. No telling
- where these waves journey to. Like, for instance, to the household of the Hodskins. Someone named Hodskin
- is responsible for drawing the Henry comic strip, Behold the Herald Telephone, Monday, September 19,
- 1988. In the first frame,
- Henry's walking down the street past Ralph's Cajun restaurant. In the window is a sign that says, try
- our blackened fish. Henry goes home, and in the third frame, he sees a toaster ejecting two pieces of
- burnt toast. In the final frame, Henry has a booth outside of his house where he's selling pieces of
- Henry's Cajun toast. Truth stranger than fiction.
- five episodes back, as I remember. Ah. Ooh. A beautiful example of Cajun toast, burned and hot, ready
- for butter, and of course, ready for our crew. As in most good cooking programs, I always like to share
- the final results with the camera crew. Jennifer, bring the butter. Time to chow down. Well, I'll be generous.
- We'll call it square. After all, Henry's given me some big laughs over the years. Very few as big as
- this one, though. If this were 35 years ago, and you were a 13-year-old Catholic paperboy in suburban
- Cleveland, this is what you'd want to see under the tree, a 1952 Columbia Deluxe. Now, are you absolutely
- sure you're going to get anything this beautiful for Christmas?
- Hey, he taught John Wayne everything he knew. Sexist? His films probably ruined more women's lives than
- Donna Reed. But simplistic. Watch out. John Ford was Katharine Hepburn's lover. He spoke five languages
- fluently. If I can forgive Ray Charles for singing at the White House, do you think? It must be Christmas.
- this quarter to be me. Wake up. Come here boy. What's your name? I'm Dexter. Who gave you that? Mr.
- with reflection.
- of our path by eating up all the fat hens in the whole bunch and leaving us nothing but a lot of old
- skinny Dominic roosters. You remember, boys? Come to think of it,
- I don't get on your high horse that way, you know, we ain't in a great big hurry, but, uh, interesting
- about her, what are you, what are you charged with at most? Nothing good, but I wasn't mad I'm chicken
- shawarma, I'm just fishing. Fishing? Why were you fishing?
- Come here, what do you use for bait? Oh, I've got a hunk of beef liver. Beef liver? Yeah, I have to
- take the beef liver and put it on the hook and chuck it out there, let them out of the place, feed them
- nothing, feed them, then you put some more on that and chuck it out there, and then they think they're
- gonna get that for nothing and you're just, you're catching them long as you got some liver. And I've
- been out there all the time, I don't care nothing about that liver.
- his clothes got to take them in the house. Yes, Lord, got to get out that old ironing board, fix them
- up for the jets to wear. Yes, Lord, that's what I want to do.
- What do you mean he's been feeding you? What have we got for supper?
- With a diploma, you're now looking at a full-fledged member of the bar. Let me look at you.
- Hmm. Full-fledged, my gizzard. Yeah, I know you. You know, you better get your britches half-sold, because
- you're going to sit around a long dive before you get your first client. Well, I don't mind, Uncle Billy.
- You know what happened to me before I got my first client, don't you? Lord, I sat through two Republican
- administrations before I
- a plan. Just doing a little practice in here for the championship. I got Jeff here, he's doing the retrieving
- for me. Me and Herman Felsberg is going to play against Jimmy Bagby and Doc Lake. Two of them balls
- down there, will you Jeff? Two? I'm going to show you what had happened to Jimmy Bagby now. I just want
- to show you how
- Oh, that's fine. Just take your button shoes with you and just step that off and see just how full it is.
- still. In this morning. I didn't but I could but. I think. I want to ask you a question. Will you please
- tell us why you didn't answer my letters I've got to really I have to tell the truth the whole truth
- and nothing but the truth so help you.
- You know why. Well, I know, is it? You've changed since I went away. Well, that isn't it, Rome. It's...
- It's just that we've grown up. You mean you don't like me anymore? Oh, Rome. Well, if my mother or anybody
- has said anything... Oh, Ellie May, I mean... Well, I'm old enough to choose my own friends.
- Please let me go. We've got to get this thing settled once and for all. I've got to go in, really, I have.
- I'm coming back tonight and find out what it's all about. You can. I have an engagement. Who with? Fleming
- Talley. Well, how about tomorrow night? Wrong. It's no use. All right. That's the way you feel about
- it. You can sit right there. We understand each other. That's all right. That's all right. We don't
- really need no more practice for them old men. Besides, that exertion calls for a duel.
- Wait for him unless young folks has changed since I was skirmishing around He won't be back for quite
- a while Eat that a pretty sight Say nothing pretty in the world and two young folks in love in the spring
- Oh my lord, did you got any sentiment? Did you got no girl?
- Jim would never love to stand around here talking about a goat or something. But you're mint. What about
- my mint? The goat in your mint bed. In my mint bed? What is it? The goat. The goat. Actin' like you.
- Actin' like you. Actin' like you. Actin' like you. Actin' like you. Actin' like you. Actin' like you.
- Actin' like you. Actin' like you. Actin' like you. Actin' like you. Actin'
- going to come in here and eat up my mint bed there. I bet he must have been the ruination of a million
- julep. You and your precious mint julep. A circuit court judge. Where's your dignity? Dignity? I don't
- reckon the priest family will ever have to worry about dignity, Carrie, not as long as you're alive
- and kicking. Well, it's a good thing somebody in this family
- you that he saved the family name. He wouldn't be fooling around the front yard with a ghost. That's
- not what I came for. Have you seen Rome? Rome? Rome? Oh, it appears like I did see that son of yours
- around here a while ago. I expect he's downtown now, you know, strutting around, showing off his button
- shoes. Now don't you play possum with me, as if I didn't know you'd been encouraging that
- If you had the biggest heart of any woman in the world, I'd think you're the most suspicious creature
- that ever come down to fight. Never mind that. You come up on the porch. I want to talk to you. If I
- didn't know that's the way you felt about it, I wouldn't have hurried home so fast. I'm sorry, Ron.
- After all you had your career, your family, everything in the world that matters to you right here.
- I don't think you care what matters to me. I'm not a woman to beat about the bush. This business of
- Rome and that girl next door have got to stop. What have you got against early May? She's an awful sweet
- girl, it seems to me. She's got gumption and she teaches coo and supports herself. I don't want to be unkind.
- in Kentucky. Well, I've never heard that it meant intolerance. It means good stock and family pride.
- Do you know the kind of stock she comes from? Yeah. Her ma come to this town penniless and died giving
- birth to Ellie Mae. I remember the night. She was afraid little woman. Wasn't any bigger than Ellie
- Mae is now.
- Mr. Sporty. But who was her father? Well, nobody don't rightfully know. A family may not mean anything
- to you, but it means a whole lot to me. I'm not going to have my grandchildren coming to the world under
- a cloud. You haven't by any chance picked Hard Maydo as a grandpappy, have you? Oh, I know you've never
- liked Senator Maydo, but you can't say anything against his folks.
- Virginia's a lovely girl. She's always been crazy about Rome. He could do a lot worse. Well, I guess
- me and Rome, we ain't got anything to say about it. I knew you'd come around to my way. You're going
- to stay for supper, are you, Carrie? Not tonight, thank you, William. The daughters of the Confederacy
- are having a chicken supper at Cape Maydew, and I'm late already.
- Looks like you daughters get more ferocious every year towards Yankees and fried chicken. You got your
- badge on there. Mighty pretty. Good night, William. Sometimes I think you women got more badges and
- medals out over the soldiers' beds.
- for nobody, either man or bird lived by themselves. Uncle Billy, why didn't you come and live with us
- after Aunt Margaret died? Oh, well, I never could stand him old cookin'. Oh, fine sling over there on
- that other pole. I wouldn't be surprised if that ain't a pretty girl.
- another fella tonight. Yeah, he may show his pudding. Well, it gets hurled. Certainly have to do some
- prancing. He can't sit around and look glum all the time. There he is now. Who? That flim tally.
- The barber? Yeah. He was awful full-shaded.
- Now, there ain't nothing to get your mind off women folks like work. Well, you run back in my library
- there and get my old Kentucky code of statute. It's an old calfskin book up on the top shelf there.
- It gets me. That's brand, man. Long years. I'm just going to see if I can't stop him.
- I can have all the fun I want right here at home. Now guess who I was talking about?
- Yeah. You. Know what you'd be doing around here. But. What are you talking about who's there. To.
- He doesn't shoot him, that's all. There ain't a thing that I can do about it. My job don't stop until
- they've got him all laid out in the mall. Full of buckshot, cold and dead, and ready for burial. Then
- I stepped in.
- Oh, maybe I didn't have one. Kelly Mae's waiting for you over there. What? How do you know?
- Are you sure? Now, don't be standing here like a Jaybird gawking when I tell you she's waiting. Go on
- out of here and go.
- I found out I couldn't lick the whole United States. I come back here to my hometown and I put up my
- shingles. It wasn't long before I was sitting on that bench. Maybe I did have a hanker for the spirit
- of the law.
- As far as I know, nobody ever found cause to complain till now. Now you, you jury, you forget everything
- that I've said. And my feelings has no place in the records of this trial.
- You will excuse me either side has any objection. I'd like to ask the Honorable Floyd Fairley. If he
- won't come up here and take. Take him up on the bench.
- But once you three all armed with billiard cues... Well, never heard of nobody playing pool without
- them. It's just like Flam and Joe said. He come in looking for trouble. You don't like the defendant, do you?
- of the witness.
- give you the limit when you've got to tell the truth. Don't you see you don't. Tell them anything.
- Yes I. Lied all the way through. They lied to it was three against one billy gainers by room three against
- one of the fear courtroom.
- Kind of caught me red-handed there. Could I, you know, kind of in vagal, been a long tiresome day and
- it's mostly me. No, thank you, William. I appreciate your sympathy. You know, I kind of thought that
- you'd be working on your Memorial Day address.
- of itself. What I'm worried about is this poor devil of a gillis. You know gillis? My trade takes me
- into queer quarters sometimes. I feel just as sorry for that fellow gillis as you do. I'm plumb out
- of it then. Hod got the best of me and sure did. The case is closed and it's all settled. I don't think Hod will
- He'd be fool enough to reopen the case for nobody or nothing. William, I have a duty to perform. The
- Christian's duty. I'm going to violate the sacred confidence of another. I'm going to break a pledge
- of secrecy because it's the only course that I see that lies before me.
- Mr. Nasty. Twenty five years ago. The judges show him. Misery. Reckonful things been acting just right.
- Maybe his stomach's been complaining and he needs a party this night.
- Let him know how he got there. That's all I got to do. Wait a minute. Can you play Dixie on that thing
- there? I couldn't cause. I played Dixie with marching through Georgia. Marching through Georgia. I got
- you out of one lynching. I couldn't cause. I thought I was going to get through Georgia. If you're playing
- marching through Georgia, I'll join the lynching.
- For the time being, I'm an ordinary member of the bar. In good standing? Not ordinary, sir, but absolutely
- in good standing. Thank you, sir. Thank you kindly. Then I have the honor of announcing myself as Associate
- Counsel for the Defense.
- has been reopened. Mr. Gillis, were you always a man of turbulent and violent nature? I always left
- them alone, I always left me alone. Is that so? What was the name of the man you once upon a time murdered?
- I never looked on it, there's no, no it wasn't murdered.
- a life. I won't tell you no matter what you ask me you don't need to. Judge priest. No questions your
- honor. Billy.
- I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, not the whole truth, and take down plenty of his court.
- I do. Reverend Brand, before you come to this town, what was your occupation? In my early manhood, before
- I took holy orders, I had the honor to be a captain of artillery in the late war. In the war of the
- rebellion?
- the seven confederates. That's right.
- of that great conflict must awaken every true Kentuckian's bosom. I fail to see any possible connection
- As many of you know, I am a Virginian. On the day my state seceded from the Union, I enlisted. I was
- a private in Penn's Virginia Battery. By the latter end of the third year, I was in command of that
- battery. All the officers ranking me had been killed or disabled. We lost heavily at Chancellorsville.
- In Fredericksburg, we were almost wiped out. We kept our field pieces. We kept our pieces until the
- end. But we had not sufficient men to man those guns. No anywhere to turn for more men. There were no
- more men left to come in. The Confederacy in 64 was robbing both the cradle and the grave for cannon fodder.
- I got temporary leave and went to Richmond to see our war governor. I said to him, sir, I've come to
- you to ask for men to serve my guns. He laughed and said, tell me where they are to be found. I said,
- among the chain gangs from the state penitentiary. He said, you've come too late, young man.
- freed every convict that might conceivably be trusted with freedom. They are left only delightless,
- and I dare not turn them loose. They are working on the guard, building defenses for you to fight behind.
- He opposed me, but I argued with him. Finally, I won. He gave me authorization, signed it, and with
- his own hand,
- of the sovereign state of Virginia. I rode back to the line, sir, and I found my chain gang. I told
- them to drop their tools and line up before me. I told them, if you go with me, you go to face a hell
- of destruction and suffering and death. But I said, if you do go,
- The future, if you survive, is in your own hands. And I promise you this much, if you stand fast, if
- you do your duty, if bravely and honorably you acquit yourselves as men, then such of you as live through
- to the end, and some of you will live, are not to come back to this. It's for you to decide.
- see every one of them. And as time went on, they won for themselves the name of the battalion
- you're in the back
- away from the Monroe County Fall Festival. A pretty piece of rope, a jar of homemade apple butter, a
- sturdy loaf of bread, and a wonderful piece of homemade pie from the Rebeccas. Hey, they could have
- hung me with a full stomach and a smile on my face. Till next week, walk slow, breathe deep, treat yourself
- real good.