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- Good evening, I'm Scott Sanders. And I'm grateful to all the people who are doing all of this good work

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- on behalf of our community and the neighborhood and all the creatures that share it with us. When Gary

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- Nabhan was a teenager, late in the war-torn 1960s, he dropped out of high school and went to work repairing

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- railroad tracks near the steel mills of Gary, Indiana, where he grew up.

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- One day he was driving spikes into railroad ties and looked up to see half a dozen great blue herons

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- flying overhead. They seemed to be looking for a place to land among the steel mills and the power plants,

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- following some ancestral memory of what Indiana used to be like. Unable to spy any water, the herons

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- kept on flying.

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- And some part of the young Gary Nebhan flew on with them. He discovered in himself a deep ancestral

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- urge to learn about these great birds, about their lives and the lives of other creatures, and about

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- the great natural cycles that embrace us all.

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- Hold it. Some 30 years later, our own Sycamore Land Trust here in Monroe County has helped protect over

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- 300 acres in a place called Bean Blossom Bottoms, which includes a rookery for great blue herons. Many

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- people gave their money and labor and time

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- to make sure that these majestic birds would have a place to breed and feed and rest in our neighborhood.

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- And one of the inspirations for all of this effort was the work done over the years by Gary Nabhan as

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- a scientist, a writer, a teacher, and a conservationist. He contributed greatly to the brain drain from

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- Indiana when he decided to leave.

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- going to college in Iowa and then Arizona, and then graduate school in Arizona. Once he settled in the

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- southwest and started eating food laced with chili peppers and listening to salsa music and chasing

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- lizards in the shadows of cacti, he fell in love with the desert and the native people who had made

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- their lives in the desert. I blame our loss on the Indiana dunes

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- where Gary played as a boy and where he developed a taste for sand. As a teacher at the University of

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- Arizona, as a writer in residence at the Sonora Desert Museum, and now as director of the Center for

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- Sustainable Environments at the Northern Arizona University, and above all, as an ethnobotanist and

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- a lyrical writer, Gary has deepened our understanding of the relations between people and nature.

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- At the heart of his work are these questions. How have long settled people survived in a place without

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- ruining it? How can we learn to live in our own places without damaging either our home ground or the

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- planet? His 14 books include The Geography of Childhood, Cultures of Habitat,

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- enduring seeds, and the desert smells like rain. I keep his books in my bedroom in case I wake in the

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- night and need to hear a sane, funny, passionate, and reassuring voice. Gary has won many honors, far

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- too many for someone who still has so much hair

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- Among them, I will mention only that he won the John Burroughs Award in Natural History for his book,

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- Gathering the Desert. He has won Guggenheim and Lannan Fellowships for his writing. He has been named

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- a Pew Scholar and a MacArthur Fellow for his contributions to art, science, and conservation. Finally,

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- I must tell you that he is a man who loves

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- Food. Loves to grow it, gather it, cook it, share it. Once when I was at his house in Arizona, he served

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- a meal with enough chili to make my insides feel as though I had swallowed molten lava. For dessert,

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- he offered homemade vanilla ice cream. I thought something cool at last.

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- As I lifted a tablespoon-sized bite to my mouth, I noticed the little flecks of vanilla beans set off

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- against the white. Gary watched me closely. And as I swallowed, I was astounded to discover the ice

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- cream was even hotter than the rest of supper. Oh, he says, those little bits, those aren't vanilla.

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- Those are jalapenos.

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- He is a spicy man on the page and in person, one of the most intensely alive people I have ever known.

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- I think of him when I grow discouraged about our ruinous way of life in this country. I think of him

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- when the day's news makes me wonder if we will ever figure out how to live more decently and wisely.

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- I think of him every time I see a great blue heron

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- wading in one of our streams or flying overhead. I am glad that he has flown back to Indiana,

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- if only briefly. Please welcome Gary Napier.

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- going to tell you a story about a year of eating locally, a year that also happened to be a watershed

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- in the history of global food politics. It is the story of finding kindred, food-loving souls within

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- a 250-mile radius around my home in the desert and sharing with them the pleasures of gardening and

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- gathering, pit roasting and fermenting, feasting and frolicking.

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- But it is also a story of juxtapositions about how the remaining farmers, fishermen, and foragers within

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- my food shed struggle with challenges, insults, and absurdities different than the ones which our ancestors

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- faced a century ago. Wherever I foraged with my neighbors for wild greens, hunted for quail, or sown

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- heirloom crops, we have seldom been out of the earshot

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- of the global vending machine. It can still be heard dropping its hermetically sealed packages of textured

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- soy protein, genetically engineered tortillas, and artificial spices no matter how hard you or I try

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- to get away from its noise. Fortunately, I'm not the only one wondering about what kinds of ancient

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- culinary melodies are being drowned out by the noise of that transnational vending machine.

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- If I can be so bold as to proclaim that we have just lived through a defining moment, the equivalent

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- of a Boston tea party for food, I would say that the spring of 1999 to the spring of 2001 was indeed

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- such a moment. Farmers refused to grow certain patented seeds hoisted upon them

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- by transnational corporations, and students destroyed experimental fields and labs where genetically

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- engineered crops were being developed. Consumers demanded that the contents of foods be labeled on their

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- packages and boycotted companies with deceptive advertising. Mobs attacked McDonald's and Starbucks

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- as part of the protests against a World Trade Organization meeting in Seattle.

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- Other countries fought against the corporate control of farmland, seeds, and genes and banned loads

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- of US agricultural products potentially harmful to butterflies and babies. The launching of the slow

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- food movement in the United States made me aware that there are at least 60,000 like-minded souls in

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- Europe and Latin America alone. This story then celebrates the sensual pleasures of food without ignoring

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- It's global politics, for we will hardly be able to savor such pleasures any longer if we do not decide

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- how to unplug that omnipresent vending machine. That's the introduction of a book that's coming out

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- in just two weeks. I wish I could have brought copies with me. It's from the last independent publisher

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- left in New York City, WW Norton.

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- As you may know, all the other New York publishers are now owned by just four companies that produce

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- 75% of the book sales in the United States, thanks to their agreements with Barnes and Noble and Borders.

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- But there are healthy counter movements in publishing happening, just as there are in food production

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- and sustainable design and sustainable transportation.

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- I'm really pleased to be able to read you parts of this book. It's really the first time I'm presenting

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- the ideas of the book as a whole. And I'm really happy that that's happening in the state where I grew

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- up, although Scott continues to remind me that growing up in Gary, Indiana does not really make me a

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- Hoosier. There's something about the Northwest region

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- of Indiana that is somewhat unhoosierly, at least to the superficial eye. I'm also really grateful to

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- have just spotted Tom Sernak, one of my oldest friends from the Indiana Dunes in the audience. Don't

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- know how he hears about things, but he seems to always do. Tom runs with a number of friends and

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- family members to Save the Dunes Council, the first conservation organization I ever joined when I was

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- 18 years old and the annual dues were only $8 a year. Things have changed since then. I'm going to interlace

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- some brief readings of segments of the book with a few commentaries now and then, but try to give you

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- a sense of this sweep of

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- One year of eating locally, that is my wife Lori and I tried to get four out of every five of our meals

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- from the foods that grew within our desert food shed, the Colorado River watershed in the adjacent upper

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- reaches of the Sea of Cortez. We spent part of the year on the Sea of Cortez working with indigenous

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- communities there and part of the year in Arizona

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- teaching and doing other things. We're now in Flagstaff where we've just helped launch the first farmers

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- market in northern Arizona that's occurred there in 50 years and have also published a regional sustainable

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- foods directory that's now going out to about 8,000 people in that region so that they can buy directly

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- from farmers who used to get over three quarters of

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- a dollar on every dollar that you and I bought as consumers and now they get about seven or eight cents

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- of that dollar whereas most middlemen get at least as much as they do in this chain of food passing

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- through six to ten hands from the time it's produced and the place it's produced before it travels some

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- fifteen hundred miles and then lands in your mouth.

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- In a sense, one of the biggest grievances I have is that with farmers only getting eight or nine cents

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- of each dollar that we pay for the food that we eat as consumers, they don't have as much slack to invest

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- in the land stewardship that they'd like to see and we'd like to see. Being involved in community-supported

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- agriculture, your farmers markets, and many of the other things that you all deeply care about helps

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- remedy that situation.

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- So I'm going to talk first about some things that Lori and I did in our yard and around our house. And

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- although the plants and animals are different, they're things that any of us can do wherever we live.

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- Perhaps trying this out in one of the driest, hottest regions of the world, hottest in the sense that

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- we have more kinds of chilies and the best kinds of hot chilies. I don't care much about.

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- air temperatures since my brain cells were burned out many years ago when I first lived in the desert.

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- When we say the desert is hot, we mean because it's so rich in wonderfully hot chilies. By trying this

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- out there and then extrapolating to and visiting other things that are happening elsewhere in this continent,

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- I think we demonstrated that this can really be done almost anywhere from

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- parts of Long Island up to the coastal areas of Alaska and certainly through the Midwest and South and

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- Western states. The final parts of this, if I don't explain it well when we come to it, were generated

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- by a walk that Laurie and I did across our entire food shed, one radius of this 250-mile

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- diameter circle that we were interested in. And we walked with elders and young people from two different

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- cultures at the start of the walk, and we were joined by 180 additional people of four other cultures

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- for the last day of that walk to celebrate the desert's bounty, its biodiversity, and how that relates

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- to maintaining

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- both our health and the heritage of desert cultures. And I'm really grateful to all the people who were

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- both our teachers and guides on that trip and the young people who joined us in that effort. Some of

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- them who had not only spent their entire lives without ever eating native foods for an entire week.

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- We cold turkeyed any product from outside of our region.

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- But in a couple cases, some of the young walkers with us admitted that that was the first time in five

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- to 10 years that they had been off drugs or alcohol. And they really felt that this walk, this pilgrimage,

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- put them on a path that saved their life. And I'm humbled by their stamina and desire to see such dramatic changes.

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- in their lives since the little changes we were making nearly broke our backs. So here goes. This whole

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- effort started out two springs ago just outside of Tucson. Spring equinox, a day of turning over the

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- earth, churning up dark garden soil buried beneath the winter's leaf litter, trying to replenish it

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- with sunlight.

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- a day of humus-stained hands and hopeful hearts. Lori and I pass the daylight hours weeding, tilling,

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- watering, and planting. We work to make a fertile place for vegetables, herbs, and beans in all the

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- unsewn garden beds around our desert home. I took a pick in my hand, a pick known as a Pulaski, and

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- loosened the dry, compacted alkaline soil.

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- Lori, a few feet away from me, wisps of blonde hair streaming over her face, turned it over shovel full

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- by shovel full. I sifted the decomposed matter rescued from our compost pit of food scraps and clippings

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- until I had separated out the smaller grain particles, returning the larger chunks back into the pit.

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- We folded in leaf litter and organic soil gleaned from beneath mesquite trees and poured this mixture

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- into the beds.

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- establishing a new blend of local earth. Down on the soiled knees of our genes, we planted one heirloom

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- seed stock after another, watering them, covering them with netting, and then placing larger mess frames

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- over them to deter the birds. I mulled the names of the seeds as we buried them snugly in their beds.

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- Mesilla Valley chili pasilla, Papago pinto tepary bean, Mrs. Burns lemon basil,

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- Zuni Tomatio. It was a canicle of desert seeds, sung into the darkness in hope that they would rise

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- again into light. This day of toil marked the first phase of a 15-month ritual, one involving my sweetheart,

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- Lori, as well as many of my kin and old friends. The ritual extended beyond the planting of vegetables

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- in our own backyard.

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- It included the tending of a small orchard and some terraces of agaves and prickly pears in front of

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- our house, the gathering of desert greens, yucca blossoms, cactus buds, and fruit in the wild lands

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- beyond our fence, the hunting of game birds, and the capture of other creatures out of the desert wilderness

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- that seemed boundless around us. We searched for other food producers hidden in our own neighborhood,

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- discovering those who locally grow vegetables, dress out game, or can fruit which complement our own.

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- The ritual then moved indoors to the drying rack, the chopping block, the hand crank grinder, the stove,

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- and the dinner table. It had no single name. It might be termed a communion of neighbors.

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- It might be thought of as a return to the old ways of subsisting on native resources at a time when

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- globalization is all the rage. My friend Jack Kloppenberg called it coming back into the food shed.

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- As some kind of shorthand to myself, I've decided to call it coming home to eat.

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- I've lost my interest in those movable feasts or global smorgasbords, which have been the most pervasive

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- secular rites celebrated by humankind since the Industrial Revolution began. Let me try to be more precise

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- about what this ritual entails, for precision is not normally my inclination. I have initiated an extended communion

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- with my plant and animal neighbors, the native flora and fauna found within 250 miles of my home. I've

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- chosen to eat with them as well as to eat them. I've decided to join in what Italo Calvino calls the

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- ecstasy of swallowing each other in turn, as we were aware in our turn of being swallowed. Calvino suggests

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- that we must swallow our pride

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- and erase the lines between our bodies and that of sopa de frijoles, huachinango, alabera, cruzano,

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- and enchiladas. For the moment, as I pick up a clod of clay, roll it into a marble-sized ball, and tuck

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- it into my cheek, I think, let me stick to this earth a while longer. Still, this ritual is simple in

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- its intent to make me

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- a direct participant as fully and as frequently as possible in the making of the bread and wine, which

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- sustains not only my life, but the lives around me as well. At last, I want to fully bear the brunt

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- of what my own eating in the world entails. I want to escape the trap that I, like most Americans, have

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- fallen into over the last four decades.

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- Obtaining nine-tenths of our food from non-local sources with shippers, processors, packagers, retailers,

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- and advertisers gaining three times more income off each dollar of food purchased than farmers, fishermen,

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- and ranchers do. I want to reduce the distance that my food travels before it reaches my mouth and my mind.

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- so that I can reduce the ignorance which my friend Jim Harrison describes with such devastating simplicity.

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- As Jim says, the majority of our population that eats beef, pork, and chicken has never known an actual

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- cow, pig, or hen. However straightforward my intentions have been, the road back home

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- has been chock full of holes and marred with curves, bumps, and sudden diversions. It has taken me more

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- than a year to get to this point of beginning in earnest. What I had hoped this ritual might do, as

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- most rituals eventually do, was to move me beyond abstract intention into the unanticipated peculiarities

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- of practice. Each day's bread, each season's batch of wine might rise and take shape

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- in its own weird and wonderful way. The folks that I make and break bread with are surely part of this

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- communion as well. Every mouthful I take will be flavored and graced by their presence. After our planning

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- was finished by dusk, I went into the house to complete one last chore for the day. It was a cleansing.

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- One cognizant of the fact that the average American brings home some 3,300 pounds of foodstuffs each

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- year for his or her own consumption. Of course, much of that is never eaten. It is nearly two and a

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- half times the weight of what most of our contemporaries in other regions around the world consume.

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- And much of it comes from their farmlands.

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- While hoping to curb my excesses in eating and wasting, I had also decided to purge my kitchen cabinets

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- of all the foods whose origins were distant or unknown from me and whose presence would distract me

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- from my mission. Instead of eating them myself or just tossing them away, I would take them to a drop-off

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- box for the Community Food Bank of Tucson in the hope that they would find some use by those without

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- the slack to buy them, to waste them.

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- or even to give them away. I went through one cabinet after another looking at things as if

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- I had Alzheimer's. How did that get there? Did I ever really buy something called marshmallow blasted

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- fruit loops? Did I ever think that the home baked fruits offered

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- to me by Kraft Foods of Cherrytown, New York, were produced by employees that have a passion for food

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- and a deep love for the taste of home-baked bakery goods. I had never even noticed how far the foods

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- in my cabinets had traveled in order to have the honor of being eaten by an American.

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- For instance, the brand of boiled baby clams I buy now and then at a corner store was packaged in California

00:26:33.631 --> 00:26:40.536
- but grown in aquaculture farms off the coast of Thailand, or what's left of them. The other products

00:26:40.536 --> 00:26:47.442
- that I had, like capers, said that they were made in Mexico, although I'd been assured by scientists

00:26:47.442 --> 00:26:52.638
- that this odd little condiment was only grown in Sicily, France, and Spain.

00:26:54.370 --> 00:27:02.129
- As I completed my kitchen cupboard food inventory, I discovered that I had unknowingly purchased food

00:27:02.129 --> 00:27:10.269
- from six of the top ten food and beverage companies in the world. Nestle, Philip Morris, ConAgra, PepsiCo,

00:27:10.269 --> 00:27:17.877
- Coca-Cola, and Mars. The ten titans of the food and drink business collectively sell more than $220

00:27:17.877 --> 00:27:23.582
- billion of processed agricultural products in the global market each year.

00:27:23.970 --> 00:27:31.452
- In other words, trademark products from these multinational nations now generate about one-tenth of

00:27:31.452 --> 00:27:38.934
- all retail sales of foods and beverages across the earth. That amounts to the average equivalent of

00:27:38.934 --> 00:27:46.565
- $33 worth of processed foods and canned drinks for each of the 6 billion people living on this planet

00:27:46.565 --> 00:27:53.374
- or orbiting around us in satellites at this moment. Together with 41 other transnationals,

00:27:53.890 --> 00:28:02.033
- these 10 global food giants are among the 100 largest economies in the world. In other words, only 49

00:28:02.033 --> 00:28:10.336
- countries generate gross national products on the same order of magnitude that these global food barons

00:28:10.336 --> 00:28:19.038
- do. However eclectic I thought my taste in food had become, this inventory revealed that the bulk of my diet

00:28:19.170 --> 00:28:26.317
- had been brought to me by just a handful of food processors and distributors. My cupboard, fridge, and

00:28:26.317 --> 00:28:33.395
- pantries contents in Arizona were dominated by agricultural commodities that had been bred, produced,

00:28:33.395 --> 00:28:40.472
- processed, and distributed by the same companies active everywhere from Argentina to Zaire. And these

00:28:40.472 --> 00:28:47.966
- companies, while dominating more and more of the world's commerce, were becoming fewer and fewer in number.

00:28:48.258 --> 00:28:57.727
- as mergers and acquisitions in the food industry recently toppled a trillion dollars a year. In contrast,

00:28:57.727 --> 00:29:06.750
- we still seem enamored by that phrase, a taste of homemade food. We still go into restaurants, still

00:29:06.750 --> 00:29:15.862
- buy things in grocery stores that claim to be homemade. But homemade food is not simply the soup that

00:29:15.862 --> 00:29:17.470
- your parents made

00:29:19.042 --> 00:29:26.438
- from a package at your house when you were sick at a child, the carrot tort you won at the cake walk

00:29:26.438 --> 00:29:33.833
- at the grade school across the street, or the fresh tortillas sold door to door by the Mexican widow

00:29:33.833 --> 00:29:41.741
- from the next block over. It is also the oral pleasure that arises from the flavors, minerals, the sourness

00:29:41.741 --> 00:29:48.478
- or the sweetness of the very ground that we walk on, the very soil the seed breaks through,

00:29:48.674 --> 00:29:57.132
- as they take in the air, which we ourselves have recently breathed. To really say homemade food and

00:29:57.132 --> 00:30:05.675
- mean it, we must taste the earth that we stand on in it. In addition to what we have learned to grow

00:30:05.675 --> 00:30:14.133
- at home, we became interested in making weekly contacts with people like ourselves that enjoyed the

00:30:14.133 --> 00:30:16.670
- taste peculiar to our region.

00:30:17.858 --> 00:30:26.835
- Esperanza, the mesquite tortilla lady, met me on a highway corner once a week and delivered two dozen

00:30:26.835 --> 00:30:36.164
- fresh tortillas made from mesquite beans, a product that is not even commercially available in the United

00:30:36.164 --> 00:30:45.318
- States. Ms. Soto, the egg lady, offered us turkey eggs, duck eggs, goose eggs, and aracana chicken eggs

00:30:45.318 --> 00:30:47.166
- whenever I showed up

00:30:47.522 --> 00:30:54.721
- showed up at her house where four of her sons were lounging around on the couches. The folks at the

00:30:54.721 --> 00:31:02.280
- National Fruit Market at 12th and Aho Way whose vegetables and fruit came from a dozen farm towns around

00:31:02.280 --> 00:31:09.767
- southern Arizona called me up whenever something special came in. I also visited an old Chinese grocery

00:31:09.767 --> 00:31:16.318
- that sold venison from Globe, Arizona, 100 miles northeast, and shrimp from of all places,

00:31:16.450 --> 00:31:24.494
- Gila Bend, Arizona, down the dry river from me 100 miles. I never figured that one out. The Rodriguez

00:31:24.494 --> 00:31:32.537
- Fish Market, which featured Sea of Cortez catches brought in daily from Rocky Point, Sonora, which is

00:31:32.537 --> 00:31:40.502
- Arizona's adopted seaport, offered us cabrilla and guacinango. All of this reminded me of one simple

00:31:40.502 --> 00:31:45.470
- fact. While I was busy obtaining four out of five of my meals,

00:31:45.794 --> 00:31:54.155
- from within a half day's drive or a 10 day walk of my home. Most of my fellow citizens in Arizona were

00:31:54.155 --> 00:32:02.354
- sourcing four out of five of their meals from distant lands. By 1980, Arizonans were already gaining

00:32:02.354 --> 00:32:10.878
- less than a third of their food supplies from Arizona crops, livestock, poultry, and eggs. Nevertheless,

00:32:11.074 --> 00:32:17.436
- Through my contact with Esperanza, the tortilla lady, and Ms. Soto, the egg lady, I no longer doubted

00:32:17.436 --> 00:32:23.737
- that there were others in my neighborhood, county, and state who preferred informal networks of food

00:32:23.737 --> 00:32:30.349
- exchange to purchasing groceries at supermarket chains. As Lori and I spoke on the telephone with family,

00:32:30.349 --> 00:32:36.649
- neighbors, and friends living in other regions of the continent, they would tell us of their delight

00:32:36.649 --> 00:32:39.518
- in finding similar networks where they lived.

00:32:39.906 --> 00:32:46.904
- a small harbor on the Atlantic seaboard where you could purchase fish directly from the boat on which

00:32:46.904 --> 00:32:54.177
- it was caught. Flea markets, swap meets, and garage sales where berries, jerk meat, and sour mash whiskey

00:32:54.177 --> 00:33:01.381
- could be purchased out of the trunks of cars amidst used exercise equipment, velvet paintings, and eight

00:33:01.381 --> 00:33:05.566
- track tapes of Elvis live in Las Vegas. Church bazaars where

00:33:05.762 --> 00:33:13.604
- Old farmers would auction off their home-cured hams, or a couple spinsters would offer the sassafras

00:33:13.604 --> 00:33:21.911
- root beer they had brewed up. Without involving any advertising agencies, shipping firms, fancy packaging,

00:33:21.911 --> 00:33:29.365
- or middleman markups, millions of pounds of American foods have been brought with cash in hand,

00:33:29.365 --> 00:33:34.334
- bartered for, or given away as gifts every summer of our lives.

00:33:34.850 --> 00:33:41.858
- It is the true commerce of the continent, the kind that Walt Whitman would have loved. All those cactus

00:33:41.858 --> 00:33:48.596
- pickers, turkey smokers, and egg gatherers, and all those fishmongers, ham curers, bootleggers, and

00:33:48.596 --> 00:33:55.671
- mushroomers, all the root beer brewers, persimmon pluckers, ginseng diggers, clamors, nocturnal crawfish

00:33:55.671 --> 00:34:02.746
- prowlers, and crab potters still out and about in the shallows, woods, and little fields happily working

00:34:02.746 --> 00:34:04.094
- what Whitman called

00:34:04.194 --> 00:34:14.471
- the land of 10 million virgin farms. In the end, the more Lori and I learned about the ecological effects

00:34:14.471 --> 00:34:24.458
- of industrializing and globalizing food, the more we had but one prevailing inclination to ensure that

00:34:24.458 --> 00:34:32.990
- our friends and family, that what our friends and family ate supported the conservation

00:34:33.314 --> 00:34:41.249
- and not the degradation of the creatures in our own food shed and in our own watershed. If nearly half

00:34:41.249 --> 00:34:49.185
- of all the sunlight captured on this planet was now being funneled into fueling only our species, what

00:34:49.185 --> 00:34:57.274
- was happening to the rest of the gang out there? Given that most of our food was coming from the greater

00:34:57.274 --> 00:35:02.590
- Colorado River watershed and the Sea of Cortez into which it flowed,

00:35:03.106 --> 00:35:11.169
- How is the wildlife out there faring if they only had a portion of the resources that formerly sustained

00:35:11.169 --> 00:35:18.924
- them? Were the native plants that had supported humans for 8,000 years in Arizona still regenerating

00:35:18.924 --> 00:35:27.371
- themselves? Were they being crushed by our big ecological footprint? That footprint, the amount of productive

00:35:27.371 --> 00:35:29.982
- land needed to support each of us

00:35:30.594 --> 00:35:39.726
- was size 12 acres for the average American, size 9.5 acres for Europeans, and size 1.2 acres for most

00:35:39.726 --> 00:35:48.679
- of the residents in developing countries. Lori and I were troubled by that. We wanted to go out and

00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:57.990
- see how the watershed which nurtured us was faring to provide all of us within its school a report card

00:35:57.990 --> 00:36:00.318
- of its ecological health.

00:36:13.634 --> 00:36:21.380
- When Lori and I first expressed that urge to know our food shed intimately, neither of us could have

00:36:21.380 --> 00:36:29.049
- imagined that six months later we would complete the last leg of a trek from the Sea of Cortez back

00:36:29.049 --> 00:36:37.178
- into southern Arizona and the Colorado River watershed with over 140 O'atam, Surrey, Yaqui, Hopi, Latino,

00:36:37.178 --> 00:36:43.006
- and Anglo pilgrims walking along with us. We were all slowly trudging along

00:36:43.266 --> 00:36:49.672
- behind a handful of elders who are chanting out a riveting homecoming song. We had come home to the

00:36:49.672 --> 00:36:56.142
- foods and medicines that could nourish us without depleting the desert around us, the desert that we

00:36:56.142 --> 00:37:02.741
- had walked through and camped in for the previous 12 days. As I caught sight of several hundred people

00:37:02.741 --> 00:37:09.211
- there to greet us at the end of our 250-mile pilgrimage, I knew in my heart that the vision that had

00:37:09.211 --> 00:37:12.350
- propelled us was no longer, if it had ever been,

00:37:12.674 --> 00:37:19.798
- mine nor Laurie's nor that of any other person alone. What had happened to us was due to some collective

00:37:19.798 --> 00:37:26.718
- affirmation that we all needed, all of us, to reengage with the lands and the seas immediately before

00:37:26.718 --> 00:37:33.638
- us, the deep traditions about them that could guide us. By renewing our contact with the power of the

00:37:33.638 --> 00:37:40.830
- desert and the ocean, their foods and their medicines, their songs and their stories, we could be healed.

00:37:41.314 --> 00:37:48.267
- And as we learned in conversations with others along the way, we were not the only ones who were opting

00:37:48.267 --> 00:37:55.153
- for local foods and medicines, rather than just accepting any organic foods, no matter where they came

00:37:55.153 --> 00:37:59.966
- from, or any natural herb remedy, whether it was from Siberia or Chile.

00:38:01.890 --> 00:38:08.658
- Lori and I gathered together with our neighbors, fishermen and foragers from the Seri villages, farmers

00:38:08.658 --> 00:38:15.297
- and basket makers from the Papago Indian Reservation, seed savers from Native Seed Search, schoolyard

00:38:15.297 --> 00:38:21.870
- gardeners from the Hashan Charter School. We joined together for a collective journey to see how our

00:38:21.870 --> 00:38:28.638
- health stemmed from the very wildlife habitats, croplands, and cultural communities that surrounded us.

00:38:28.738 --> 00:38:35.930
- We went out to see how badly those habitats, fields, and communities had been injured and how that had

00:38:35.930 --> 00:38:42.912
- something to do with our own injuries and maladies. We tasted what each community we passed through

00:38:42.912 --> 00:38:50.034
- called their local foods and took a hard look at how it was produced. We learned how to step together

00:38:50.034 --> 00:38:57.016
- covering one long desert mile after another until some 250 miles had been completed and celebrated.

00:38:57.016 --> 00:38:57.854
- It was then

00:38:58.050 --> 00:39:04.867
- that we realized we would have to dedicate the rest of our lives in one way or another to restoring

00:39:04.867 --> 00:39:11.821
- our communities to fuller health. And so we called this little trek the Desert Walk for Biodiversity,

00:39:11.821 --> 00:39:18.365
- Heritage, and Health, a multicultural pilgrimage fueled by native foods and medicines, prayers,

00:39:18.365 --> 00:39:25.250
- and songs. We unabashedly spoke about what ailed us. One autumn pilgrim broke the silence by telling

00:39:25.250 --> 00:39:26.750
- us how he felt doomed

00:39:26.850 --> 00:39:35.251
- to a premature death when he found out that he had diabetes, a disease that was not even in the community

00:39:35.251 --> 00:39:43.256
- where he grew up a half century ago. And then a younger fittersary Indian fisherman admitted that he

00:39:43.256 --> 00:39:51.419
- had once thought that only other tribes suffered from diabetes until he himself was diagnosed with the

00:39:51.419 --> 00:39:52.766
- same affliction.

00:39:54.562 --> 00:40:01.685
- By the time we had walked our 200-some miles, we had put considerable distance between ourselves and

00:40:01.685 --> 00:40:08.384
- those Zucaritas, Tony the Tiger corn flakes, and Coca Colas. We had feasted on boiled venison,

00:40:08.384 --> 00:40:15.860
- baked rabbit, and grilled corvina, tomatillo consumés and squash soufflés, tepary bean burritos wrapped

00:40:15.860 --> 00:40:21.854
- in mesquite tortillas, freshly picked and lightly steamed lamb's quarters, purslane,

00:40:22.114 --> 00:40:29.284
- tansy mustards, and cress. We had guzzled down ocotillo blossom tea and prickly pear punch, mistletoe,

00:40:29.284 --> 00:40:36.733
- and Mormon tea. We had been presented gifts of organ pipe jam, stewed pumpkin, and pinole to eat, creosote

00:40:36.733 --> 00:40:43.972
- bush salve, jojoba oil, and Damiana tea to lessen our aches, pains, blisters, and bruises. Our desserts

00:40:43.972 --> 00:40:49.054
- had ranged from chia seeds soaked in cactus juice to pit roasted mezcal.

00:40:49.314 --> 00:40:56.835
- We had walked right past stores full of sodas and beers, chips and cupcakes, knowing that they seldom

00:40:56.835 --> 00:41:04.431
- take away our hunger and thirst. Instead, we gathered around campfires at night, listening to personal

00:41:04.431 --> 00:41:11.878
- testimonials of hardships and rising to dance with one another as fiddlers, drummers, rattleshakers,

00:41:11.878 --> 00:41:17.630
- and singers moved us to our feet. Then up and walking once more the next day,

00:41:17.730 --> 00:41:26.986
- We bore witness to what was happening to the land, both good and bad. It was a slow walking meditation

00:41:26.986 --> 00:41:35.972
- on where we've been, what we've ignored around us, and what we had yet to see. As we started up the

00:41:35.972 --> 00:41:44.958
- very last hill before crossing the border from Mexico into the US near the last leg of our journey,

00:41:46.274 --> 00:41:52.498
- We saw several Indian women singing on the roadside and shaking their gourd rattles. Cameramen began

00:41:52.498 --> 00:41:58.661
- to appear everywhere, and even the customs officials were there to welcome us, waving like children

00:41:58.661 --> 00:42:05.070
- as if they'd never witnessed someone crossing the border. I was so caught up in the rhythm of the music

00:42:05.070 --> 00:42:11.664
- that someone had to nudge me to get me to look up on the ridge paralleling the road where we were walking.

00:42:11.664 --> 00:42:14.622
- There, moving at the same speed we were moving,

00:42:15.010 --> 00:42:21.684
- were a half dozen Mexican hikers intent to cross the border at the exact same time that we did when

00:42:21.684 --> 00:42:28.425
- the customs officials in border patrol were most distracted. They were in plain view to anyone whose

00:42:28.425 --> 00:42:35.499
- eyes wandered toward the eastern horizon. But at that moment, all eyes were upon us. That was when little

00:42:35.499 --> 00:42:42.240
- things began to go wrong. No one could find the bag of bread we had brought along for the borderline

00:42:42.240 --> 00:42:42.974
- communion.

00:42:43.522 --> 00:42:50.484
- The digital camera was accidentally locked inside the van, as were the keys. When they were rescued

00:42:50.484 --> 00:42:57.585
- with another set of keys, the camera was dropped on the ground. And then, like the rest of us, it had

00:42:57.585 --> 00:43:04.686
- trouble focusing for a while. But then the singing smoothed everyone out, and a dozen cameras flashed

00:43:04.686 --> 00:43:12.414
- as we reached the graded cattle guard that served as the boundary between two lands, between people, cuisines,

00:43:12.802 --> 00:43:21.742
- caloric opportunities, and ultimately destinies. Onlookers clapped while we cheered and posed for pictures.

00:43:21.742 --> 00:43:30.268
- Suddenly, our friends from the other side appeared with an armful of the breads we had chosen to break

00:43:30.268 --> 00:43:38.628
- on the border, not for nourishment, but for catharsis. We had chosen Wonder Bread and Pan Bimbo, the

00:43:38.628 --> 00:43:42.270
- loaves of foul air and feeble constitution.

00:43:43.362 --> 00:43:49.809
- They were the foods that had come out of nowhere, one elderly Indian said, the foods that had lured

00:43:49.809 --> 00:43:56.642
- us all with their empty promises, that had seduced us like the whores and studs in a border town brothel,

00:43:56.642 --> 00:44:03.604
- that had dazzled us with the glitter of their baggage but left us feeling hungry and heartbroken, cheapened

00:44:03.604 --> 00:44:09.406
- and cheated, diseased and dirtied. They were the loaves that had doped us into forgetting

00:44:09.570 --> 00:44:16.992
- what truly had nourished us over the course of our lives. Suddenly, as if he were the exorcist sent

00:44:16.992 --> 00:44:24.414
- to drive away the devil, Adolfo, the Sari Indian elder, howled out a song and a dozen of us saw the

00:44:24.414 --> 00:44:32.132
- bread at our feet and realized what we all must do. We leapt high then and came down hard on what stood

00:44:32.132 --> 00:44:36.734
- between us and the sacred earth, those lousy loaves of bread.

00:44:37.442 --> 00:44:45.308
- We stomped and danced until those plastic wrapped globs of doughy air bread melted into the ground right

00:44:45.308 --> 00:44:53.024
- on top of the borderline. Some danced the pascola, an ancient dance of the desert, while others hooted

00:44:53.024 --> 00:45:00.740
- and hollered, jumping up and down until the pale empty loaves were beaten flat as tortillas. Pan bimbo

00:45:00.740 --> 00:45:02.014
- and wonder bread

00:45:02.306 --> 00:45:10.159
- were the perfect manifestations of the vacuous nutritional promises of the industrialized food system,

00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:18.012
- the one that had sold our health down the river. I heard echoes of the jingles from my youth, how such

00:45:18.012 --> 00:45:26.018
- facsimiles of bread could build strong bodies 12 ways. They had popped up and spread across the Americas

00:45:26.018 --> 00:45:30.974
- in the 30s, replacing Ash cakes, Stoddy cakes, and Johnny cakes,

00:45:31.106 --> 00:45:40.009
- Baguettes, biscuits, and bagels, focaccias, Puglacies, and pitas, hand-shaped tortillas, and dark, seedy

00:45:40.009 --> 00:45:49.081
- harvest loaves of all shapes and sizes, with one phantom of one standard size, machine-knifed into equally

00:45:49.081 --> 00:45:56.542
- thick slices. A white bread for white America, which sooner or later became so symbolic

00:45:56.802 --> 00:46:04.653
- of the dominant culture that Mexican restaurants would see Americans sit down at their tables and remove

00:46:04.653 --> 00:46:12.579
- all the corn and wheat tortillas they had had out, replacing them with a dozen slices of bimbo or wonder.

00:46:12.579 --> 00:46:20.057
- That bread is as substantial as foam, El Indio smirked, picking up the flattened carcass of a bimbo

00:46:20.057 --> 00:46:23.646
- loaf after the dancing was done. Pan de espuma.

00:46:24.994 --> 00:46:33.055
- as the bewildered customs officials let us pass, I knew that however many more miles we had yet to walk,

00:46:33.055 --> 00:46:41.192
- we had broken bread in an altogether unprecedented sense by accepting no substitutions for true communion

00:46:41.192 --> 00:46:48.870
- with one another and this sacred land. On our last night before we ended the pilgrimage, we had the

00:46:48.870 --> 00:46:51.710
- true communion we had all hoped for.

00:46:51.906 --> 00:46:58.965
- venison and cottontail, pozole and pumpkins, beans and whole grain breads that the autumn villagers

00:46:58.965 --> 00:47:06.095
- of San Pedro had lovingly made for us. Autumn in Anglo, Sarri and Latino were leaning up against one

00:47:06.095 --> 00:47:13.295
- another, tired, quietly weeping as each participant offered prayers and proverbs of thanksgiving. The

00:47:13.295 --> 00:47:20.495
- leader of the autumn youth, Tony Johnson, stood up among us, then scanned the room, looking in to the

00:47:20.495 --> 00:47:21.342
- many faces,

00:47:21.602 --> 00:47:30.075
- around him. We started this walk 10 days ago down by the ocean. We started out there and then we walked

00:47:30.075 --> 00:47:38.303
- all the way. I was afraid we weren't going to make it. We did. I did. It wasn't because any strength

00:47:38.303 --> 00:47:46.938
- that I had that all of you don't have. It was because of the people who are here with us. Yes, the people

00:47:46.938 --> 00:47:51.582
- right here, the desert people alive. That's why I walked

00:47:52.418 --> 00:48:00.649
- I believe that we are not yet dead. Do you understand what I'm saying? We are not dead. There are people

00:48:00.649 --> 00:48:08.489
- who say we might as well be dead because we're diabetic, that we'll die young anyway. They also say

00:48:08.489 --> 00:48:16.406
- we're dead because some of us are alcoholics. But walking from Mexico to here, I didn't see any dead

00:48:16.406 --> 00:48:21.502
- Indians, any dead people at all. We're all alive and we may look

00:48:21.602 --> 00:48:28.860
- dead, tired, dirty, and ugly, but we're alive. There was some laughter, but also others were weeping.

00:48:28.860 --> 00:48:36.048
- I felt a rush of relief wash across the room. It was out on the table. All these folks had been told

00:48:36.048 --> 00:48:43.235
- all their lives that diabetes was in their genes, that there was little that they could do about it,

00:48:43.235 --> 00:48:51.134
- that they should be resolved to a limited life. And now Tony, on behalf of all the Pilgrims, was standing tall

00:48:51.330 --> 00:48:58.240
- and saying that that was a lie. A lie from deterministic scientists who had spent hundreds of millions

00:48:58.240 --> 00:49:05.150
- of dollars trying to find the elusive gene which caused Indian diabetes instead of helping people with

00:49:05.150 --> 00:49:11.859
- ways to live a rich life that included savory native foods and plenty of exercise out in the desert

00:49:11.859 --> 00:49:16.958
- where they lived. And all you kids out there, don't ever tell them that you

00:49:17.570 --> 00:49:23.525
- Don't ever let them tell you that you can't make it. Look at all these people who have walked, all who've

00:49:23.525 --> 00:49:29.311
- helped. We never thought we would make it back, but we made it through again because everyone here was

00:49:29.311 --> 00:49:34.929
- praying for us. Even those who may have never set foot out on the road with us, those people prayed

00:49:34.929 --> 00:49:40.827
- and believed in us and believed we could make it. You know, when we were so far away and we missed home,

00:49:40.827 --> 00:49:46.782
- it didn't feel like we knew where we were going. We didn't know where the next road was going to lead to.

00:49:47.138 --> 00:49:55.112
- The only thing familiar to us, the only things that made us feel at home was those foods and our songs,

00:49:55.112 --> 00:50:02.933
- the ones that come from our traditional way. And I realized that no matter where we were, where we go

00:50:02.933 --> 00:50:10.677
- in this world, if we have our foods, our songs, our language, we'll always be home. And as he spoke,

00:50:10.677 --> 00:50:17.118
- I realized that the words in his language for healing, wildness, and wholeness came

00:50:17.442 --> 00:50:25.861
- from the same roots, and somehow, over the two weeks that had just passed, we had walked all the way

00:50:25.861 --> 00:50:34.947
- down to those roots. I lost about eight pounds during that walk, and as expected, my HDL-LDL ratio improved,

00:50:34.947 --> 00:50:43.283
- confirming that all those high-fiber-rich native foods probably do have the health benefits that we

00:50:43.283 --> 00:50:45.534
- had learned about earlier.

00:50:45.954 --> 00:50:53.627
- But walking has its health benefits, too. And so does foraging. And so does praying. And so does singing

00:50:53.627 --> 00:51:01.446
- and laughing and community building. If the native foods are worth eating only for their value in reducing

00:51:01.446 --> 00:51:08.900
- blood sugar or cholesterol, we might as well just extract their soluble fiber-making genes and insert

00:51:08.900 --> 00:51:15.550
- them in some easy-to-grow, easy-to-prepare, nutraceutical packaged food. But they are also

00:51:16.002 --> 00:51:23.011
- good for the land and good for our souls. I have come to love their flavors, even though some of my

00:51:23.011 --> 00:51:30.019
- friends like Scott still remind me that they're a little too hot for their acquired tastes. I don't

00:51:30.019 --> 00:51:37.239
- doubt that they are right, since I still serve meals at my table that my friends and family don't have

00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:38.430
- the guts to eat.

00:51:39.906 --> 00:51:47.526
- But their acceptability to consumers is not really what is keeping them from being more widely embraced

00:51:47.526 --> 00:51:55.072
- and adopted. The real bottleneck in the revival of local grown foods is a cultural, or more precisely,

00:51:55.072 --> 00:52:02.472
- a spiritual dilemma. If we no longer believe that the earth is sacred, or that we are blessed by the

00:52:02.472 --> 00:52:09.726
- very bounty all around us, or that we have a caretaking responsibility given to us by the creator,

00:52:10.306 --> 00:52:17.835
- It doesn't really matter to most folks how much ecological and cultural damage is done by the way we

00:52:17.835 --> 00:52:25.588
- eat. It doesn't matter whether we ever participate in the butchering of our own meat instead of letting

00:52:25.588 --> 00:52:33.043
- someone else do it, the harvesting and grinding of our grain, the foraging and drying of our herbs,

00:52:33.043 --> 00:52:39.230
- until we stop craving to be somewhere else and someone else other than the animals

00:52:39.490 --> 00:52:48.442
- whose very cells are constituted from the place on the earth that we love the most, then there is little

00:52:48.442 --> 00:52:57.137
- reason to care about the fate of local foods, of family farms, or healthy landscapes and communities.

00:52:57.137 --> 00:53:06.174
- We continue on adding to our dooryard garden, harvesting what we can from the wild lands around our home,

00:53:06.786 --> 00:53:14.063
- raising minor breeds of livestock and planting native seeds. The percentage of food that we get from

00:53:14.063 --> 00:53:21.412
- local sources will no doubt vary through time, but I'm sure it will never return to the abysmally low

00:53:21.412 --> 00:53:29.193
- proportion it was before we began this modest experiment. We can't go back to ignoring where we're situated

00:53:29.193 --> 00:53:36.254
- in the food chain, that cascade of energy that can be shunted in the direction of regeneration or

00:53:36.738 --> 00:53:46.215
- in the other direction towards Desolation Row. Whenever I have doubts about whether all this effort

00:53:46.215 --> 00:53:56.165
- has been worth it, I go out into the wilds beyond my backyard and simply taste a fruit or flower freshly

00:53:56.165 --> 00:54:06.590
- plucked from a local tree or vine. My mouth, my tongue, and my heart remind me what my mind too often forgets

00:54:07.586 --> 00:54:16.421
- that I simply love the flavor and scent of where I live and all the plants and creatures I live with.

00:54:16.421 --> 00:54:17.374
- Thank you.

00:54:54.370 --> 00:55:09.225
- if you're shy I can write down the recipe for jalapeno ice cream. It's really a series of concentric

00:55:09.225 --> 00:55:21.726
- circles is the best way to say it. In other words, we focus most of our foraging and

00:55:21.826 --> 00:55:31.162
- and food growing very, very close to home. But I would think that most of our grandparents would find

00:55:31.162 --> 00:55:40.499
- it absurd that I chose a 250-mile radius. In the desert, that made sense, not only because of the low

00:55:40.499 --> 00:55:50.110
- productivity per acre, but traditionally, the people like the ancestors of the folks that we walked with

00:55:50.402 --> 00:55:58.701
- did that pilgrimage to the ocean and back up watershed. And so I think you can define it as a series

00:55:58.701 --> 00:56:07.083
- of nested sets where you might try to aim to get fully a third of your food from very local within an

00:56:07.083 --> 00:56:15.547
- hour's walk of your home, another circle where you try to get another third that's the people who come

00:56:15.547 --> 00:56:19.902
- into your local farmer's market, and the other third

00:56:20.322 --> 00:56:29.545
- from those distinctive habitats within a certain day's walk or drive from your home. The key thing for

00:56:29.545 --> 00:56:39.036
- me is that we've lost the chance to observe how our food is grown. If I can get to a farm or to a fishing

00:56:39.036 --> 00:56:46.558
- grounds within a day and really see, I feel a lot more comfortable than I do buying

00:56:47.042 --> 00:56:53.831
- strawberries in the winter that are labeled organic that also say that they come from Puerto Monte in

00:56:53.831 --> 00:57:00.486
- Chile. I will never be able to see what organic means to Chileans, and I never know whether they're

00:57:00.486 --> 00:57:07.142
- grown without pesticides and herbicides, but grown with slave labor. I want to know how the food is

00:57:07.142 --> 00:57:11.934
- grown, and I also want to know who knows it. So however far you travel,

00:57:12.514 --> 00:57:18.948
- within a day or a week should be one of the guidelines so that you can actually go out and see the foods.

00:57:18.948 --> 00:57:25.503
- That's why I like the community-supported agriculture projects that have as a requirement that you actually

00:57:25.503 --> 00:57:31.633
- work on the farms or farms where the food's being produced. It's still just kind of a hollow victory

00:57:31.633 --> 00:57:37.703
- to have locally grown foods if it's just delivered to your doorstep every day and you never see the

00:57:37.703 --> 00:57:40.798
- farms every week or whatever it is. Good question.

00:57:42.466 --> 00:57:55.539
- Way back there. Household products and clothing. Great question. That's a much more subtle and complex

00:57:55.539 --> 00:58:09.246
- issue. But at the Center for Sustainable Environments, we're having a lecture series and then a task force.

00:58:09.474 --> 00:58:16.873
- eco-regional task force through the fall and winter that's called Foraging a Greener Economy for the

00:58:16.873 --> 00:58:24.345
- Colorado Plateau. And we're actually going through food, fiber, non-timber forest products like small

00:58:24.345 --> 00:58:31.744
- diameter timber that can be used for housing or furniture making, medicines, basketry materials, and

00:58:31.744 --> 00:58:36.286
- all of those things. And what we're really looking towards is

00:58:36.834 --> 00:58:45.239
- ecoregional certification of products. When we look at the Forest Stewardship Council's recommendations

00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:53.562
- for green certification, certifying that wild foods are sustainably harvested or that cultivated foods

00:58:53.562 --> 00:59:02.290
- and medicines are organically and sustainably grown. Very quickly, after giving you the general guidelines,

00:59:02.290 --> 00:59:06.654
- they say, unless these are adapted and refined to fit

00:59:07.298 --> 00:59:15.619
- constraints and conditions of your own locality, your own climatic and ecological region, these are

00:59:15.619 --> 00:59:24.272
- kind of abstractions. And so we're trying for food, fiber, medicine, utensils to try to figure out what

00:59:24.272 --> 00:59:32.759
- sustainability means for our particular ecoregion and for the cultural mix that we have there. And so

00:59:32.759 --> 00:59:35.422
- I can't speak immediately about

00:59:35.842 --> 00:59:44.827
- household products at the level of detail that I wish I could. But I think it's a very key issue, and

00:59:44.827 --> 00:59:53.723
- thank you for bringing it up. Yes, a couple rows in front there. What's your realistic diagnosis for

00:59:53.723 --> 01:00:02.707
- a dying planet that's going to double itself within one or two years? How do you approach communities

01:00:02.707 --> 01:00:05.438
- under such dire circumstances?

01:00:07.010 --> 01:00:17.425
- You know, my basic approach to life is that I'm an intellectual pessimist, but a glandular optimist.

01:00:17.425 --> 01:00:27.738
- And fortunately, my glands are still functioning. In other words, you could intellectually convince

01:00:27.738 --> 01:00:32.894
- me that we are on a dying planet in dire straits.

01:00:33.122 --> 01:00:43.952
- that our music doesn't sound as good as the other dire straits. But the fact of the matter is, however

01:00:43.952 --> 01:00:54.466
- myopic it seems, those small acts that all of us are capable of on a daily basis still give me hope

01:00:54.466 --> 01:01:02.878
- that I can't think of any other way to reshift our collective priorities, build

01:01:03.106 --> 01:01:12.642
- sustainability into our communities except by taking the modest baby steps each day that each of us

01:01:12.642 --> 01:01:22.274
- can do. I just don't know any other way to do it and however naive that may seem with the population

01:01:22.274 --> 01:01:32.382
- up to six billion and rising and already 40% of all the solar energy on this planet being shut into those

01:01:32.514 --> 01:01:54.135
- 6 million people instead of the other 250,000 species on this planet. Each little step we take still

01:01:54.135 --> 01:02:02.270
- gives me hope. And I... That's right.

01:02:02.562 --> 01:02:17.524
- You know, the number of voices, the size of the chorus is really rapidly growing and I don't want to

01:02:17.524 --> 01:02:32.190
- just talk about, you know, numbers like 60,000 people as paid members of the slow food movement or

01:02:32.290 --> 01:02:39.527
- how many people identify themselves as environmentalists or willing to pay more for organic food or

01:02:39.527 --> 01:02:46.836
- any of that. I mean, those are pretty crude indicators of what's happening and maybe still a drop in

01:02:46.836 --> 01:02:54.363
- the bucket. But some things really give me this sense that we are at a turning point. And one of those,

01:02:54.363 --> 01:03:01.310
- again, was that when I started this project, the very month that I started at Science Magazine,

01:03:02.274 --> 01:03:11.896
- had a survey comparing how Europeans and Americans thought about genetically engineered foods, medical

01:03:11.896 --> 01:03:21.985
- research, such as a stem cell research stuff that's been in the news lately, and chemically and genetically

01:03:21.985 --> 01:03:31.326
- modified agricultural production. And this was a huge issue in Europe by that time, spring of 1999.

01:03:32.514 --> 01:03:42.513
- less than a quarter of all Americans cared about it at all. They redid this survey three months after

01:03:42.513 --> 01:03:52.905
- the WTO conflict in Seattle. And the American awareness of these issues and concern about them was nearly

01:03:52.905 --> 01:04:01.630
- up to the level of Europeans. Now, as an aside, I'm not saying that students should burn

01:04:02.178 --> 01:04:11.768
- experimental fields of genetically engineered corn or go and throw rocks through the windows of Starbucks.

01:04:11.768 --> 01:04:21.000
- But the fact of the matter is that that's what we heard about it, WTO, instead of the Paul Hawkins and

01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:30.410
- the Wes Jacksons and the Mary Ann Motts who've been involved in talking about these issues for 20 years,

01:04:30.410 --> 01:04:31.934
- who have offered

01:04:32.322 --> 01:04:42.569
- sane green business strategies for getting more of these healthy foods and products into the marketplace.

01:04:42.569 --> 01:04:52.333
- It was not a bunch of tree huggers and wackos that dominated either Seattle or Genoa. And so I think

01:04:52.333 --> 01:04:59.294
- I'm sort of a slow learner on this stuff that there's many, many people

01:04:59.714 --> 01:05:07.650
- both on this continent and other continents, way far ahead of me. And I think we're simply devoting

01:05:07.650 --> 01:05:14.078
- more and more time and intellectual concern to how to resolve this dilemma. Yes?

01:05:48.930 --> 01:06:01.164
- Yeah. You know, we're not really good at convincing even our family and closest friends that McDonald's

01:06:01.164 --> 01:06:13.163
- is a cruddy deal on intellectual grounds. I mean, probably the least likely person to be convinced of

01:06:13.163 --> 01:06:16.574
- this stuff is my own mother.

01:06:18.914 --> 01:06:28.818
- and probably your dorm colleagues. And I don't think we convince people about this issue by ideological

01:06:28.818 --> 01:06:38.436
- fervor alone. The thing that has brought more people back into using the native seeds, the vegetable

01:06:38.436 --> 01:06:47.006
- seeds that we've saved through Native Seed Search, a nonprofit I started 18 years ago, is

01:06:47.522 --> 01:06:56.337
- the taste and the textures and the gorgeous colors of these things, not the idea of biodiversity conservation

01:06:56.337 --> 01:07:04.350
- or conservation of germplasm. I mean, if germplasm, it sounds like something you want to use Bactin

01:07:04.350 --> 01:07:12.603
- on. The point is that we need to convince people of the sensual pleasures of these things, of exposing

01:07:12.603 --> 01:07:14.206
- them to it, so that

01:07:14.786 --> 01:07:23.266
- McDonald's seems so boring to them that they just walk by it. And that's what's happening in Italy with

01:07:23.266 --> 01:07:31.502
- the slow food movement. They even got the pope to say that fast food is anti-Christian. I mean, this

01:07:31.502 --> 01:07:39.657
- is a great thing, that we're meant to eat in communion with one another slowly, considerately, with

01:07:39.657 --> 01:07:43.326
- reverence for our food, so that fast food is

01:07:43.810 --> 01:07:52.515
- You know, it's a bad deal. I mean, the other comparison that I like that you can try it on your dorm

01:07:52.515 --> 01:08:01.306
- mates, and I was horrified when I saw this, that I'd actually been quoted in Dr. Dean Adell's book on

01:08:01.306 --> 01:08:10.011
- health and diet on this. I can't believe I actually let this slip out of my mouth. Fast food is like

01:08:10.011 --> 01:08:12.510
- quick sex. It makes you feel

01:08:13.378 --> 01:08:22.987
- satisfied for about three seconds, and then you spend about another four years feeling guilty about

01:08:22.987 --> 01:08:32.885
- it. I mean, it's just not satisfying in any real sense of that term. And so you can use some analogies

01:08:32.885 --> 01:08:42.398
- like that. Don't say that it came from me, or don't imply that you've had a lot of experience with

01:08:42.722 --> 01:08:51.541
- quick sex so that you know what you're talking about, but, you know, get it across to your buddies.

01:08:51.541 --> 01:09:00.624
- Oh, well. Any other questions? I just want to honor all the many things that you all are doing in this

01:09:00.624 --> 01:09:09.531
- community, not only the Simply Living Fair, but a great and vital farmers market, the radio stations

01:09:09.531 --> 01:09:10.942
- and newspapers,

01:09:11.458 --> 01:09:20.153
- that have covered the fair and had offered interviews about this topic. It's such wonderful people whose

01:09:20.153 --> 01:09:28.517
- hearts are in the right places, such intelligence that I really honor all of you who've devoted time

01:09:28.517 --> 01:09:36.964
- to these efforts and hope that the fair this weekend will inspire you to commit yourselves in an even

01:09:36.964 --> 01:09:41.022
- deeper way to these issues. Thank you very much.
