WEBVTT 00:00:00.226 --> 00:00:11.806 - Good evening, everybody. And welcome to the second, almost the 12th night. The second night I have the 00:00:11.970 --> 00:00:19.639 - all the thoughts in my head right now. It is the second night of our budget hearing, and today is Thursday, 00:00:19.639 --> 00:00:26.882 - September 3rd, 2026. I will call this meeting to order. The time is now 5.02, and we have a quorum of 00:00:26.882 --> 00:00:34.125 - councilmembers, plus we are joined by Councilmember Decker online. So we will be able to go ahead and 00:00:34.125 --> 00:00:39.806 - get started. So next up is item two, which is the adoption of tonight's agenda. 00:00:39.906 --> 00:00:48.337 - Is there any motions that anybody, or any changes, rather, that anybody would like to make for tonight? 00:00:48.337 --> 00:00:56.525 - You got caffeine crossly tonight, so I'm like. Oh, my good. That matches my non-caffeine I ever see. 00:00:56.525 --> 00:01:05.199 - So if there is no motion, we can go ahead and proceed to the next item. So I'm not sure if anybody watched 00:01:05.199 --> 00:01:07.550 - the record time of the what? 00:01:09.826 --> 00:01:19.345 - Do we need to amend it? I don't know. We don't need to amend tonight's. Why? Stop the agenda. Okay. 00:01:19.345 --> 00:01:25.342 - Yeah. They have no changes. We can go ahead and proceed. Okay. 00:01:25.602 --> 00:01:33.356 - So no, you're fine. So no changes. We will proceed. So again, as we are going through our budget season, 00:01:33.356 --> 00:01:41.110 - I just want to reiterate to those here and those that will watch later or virtually right now that these 00:01:41.110 --> 00:01:44.286 - are just budget presentations for from our 00:01:44.450 --> 00:01:52.207 - department of Monroe County. And so as we are voting on these tonight, we are just moving these forward. 00:01:52.207 --> 00:01:59.595 - It's not necessarily a final approval, and those will come in later in October. In fact, the public 00:01:59.595 --> 00:02:07.352 - hearing is Thursday or Tuesday, October 6th, at 5 o'clock p.m., and then the budget adoption is Tuesday, 00:02:07.352 --> 00:02:10.750 - October 20th, also starting at 5 o'clock p.m. 00:02:11.266 --> 00:02:17.288 - I also want to remind people that there's no public comment during our budget presentations and during 00:02:17.288 --> 00:02:23.134 - the public hearing and the final adoption. That is when the public can make comment on those items. 00:02:23.266 --> 00:02:30.227 - just a quick reminder, as we did, and shout out to those that came yesterday. They set the tone for 00:02:30.227 --> 00:02:37.327 - how we will do that again today. But I want to remind people that you will have timers on the screens 00:02:37.327 --> 00:02:44.288 - here, and TSD will ensure that those are happening. So as you are going through your presentations, 00:02:44.288 --> 00:02:51.806 - you will just do the entire presentation. If you have multiple line items, it's just all in one fill swoop. 00:02:52.258 --> 00:02:59.956 - If you are at your five minute mark, you will hear a ding. And then if you are at your one minute mark, 00:02:59.956 --> 00:03:07.507 - you will hear another ding. So that just keeps us on track and to be respectful of your time as well. 00:03:07.507 --> 00:03:15.131 - And then council will hold comments or questions until you are completely done to give you a fair shot 00:03:15.131 --> 00:03:17.278 - of presenting for everybody. 00:03:18.146 --> 00:03:25.594 - We will go ahead and get started. And then just a quick reminder to Council, we are going to stick to 00:03:25.594 --> 00:03:33.479 - task. And we are going to ask questions or have comments related to the budgets that are presented tonight. 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:41.000 - So next up, we will do what we normally do during budget. And I will look at the auditor, Ms. Gregory, 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:46.622 - for an update. Yes, thank you, Council. Welcome to another night of budgets. 00:03:46.818 --> 00:03:54.347 - I sent an email a little after four with some updated information, and I went ahead and let you know 00:03:54.347 --> 00:04:01.950 - that some of the gateway issues have been resolved. However, we found some new issues that their tech 00:04:01.950 --> 00:04:08.062 - support team is currently working on to help us resolve with the 4B specifically. 00:04:08.354 --> 00:04:14.962 - So we've been working through an audit process found that there are 6 home world funds that where the 00:04:14.962 --> 00:04:21.765 - budget is not pulling through to the form for be even though we entered them. So they're working through 00:04:21.765 --> 00:04:28.309 - that. But just we still don't have a final version of a form be for you right now. What I would like 00:04:28.309 --> 00:04:29.086 - to show you 00:04:40.450 --> 00:04:48.609 - What I would like to show you is where we're starting off with the budgets today. No changes really 00:04:48.609 --> 00:04:56.850 - were made yesterday, so our total estimated revenue and that we're deducting the tax cap impact from 00:04:56.850 --> 00:05:04.030 - that is $137,260,726 and that is the number you're seeing up there in the darker green. 00:05:04.450 --> 00:05:12.720 - The total estimated expense for all funds is $135,530,375. So that leaves us with a surplus of about 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:20.908 - $1.7 million. Now again, that's a simple calculation for all county budget projection funds and all 00:05:20.908 --> 00:05:29.588 - revenue within those funds. So we have more of a deep dive here for the levy funds where we saw yesterday 00:05:29.588 --> 00:05:32.126 - we still have some work to do. 00:05:32.290 --> 00:05:39.887 - And then, you know, just for your view, we also have the non-levy funds deep dive below, which I'm not 00:05:39.887 --> 00:05:47.264 - going to go through. So I'm always happy to answer questions or we could just proceed, whatever you 00:05:47.264 --> 00:05:55.230 - wish. Thank you very much for your update. Does anybody on council have any questions about that? Oh, okay. 00:05:55.490 --> 00:06:03.009 - So thank you very much with that. And then we will go ahead and invite our first department that is 00:06:03.009 --> 00:06:10.528 - up tonight, which it looks like it is from County Legal. Council, I move to open for discussion and 00:06:10.528 --> 00:06:18.122 - review Fund 1000-0277, County General Legal. Second. All right. We got a motion and a second. We are 00:06:18.122 --> 00:06:24.062 - joined by Mr. Schilling and Commissioner Thomas. Welcome. Thank you very much. 00:06:24.610 --> 00:06:34.978 - It's a pleasure to be here and to talk about this budget, which follows the council's guidelines. It's 00:06:34.978 --> 00:06:45.045 - flat on the 2000s and the 3000s. And the changes are all in the 1000 category on personnel. We have 00:06:45.045 --> 00:06:50.078 - a one-step increase for Jeff Cockrell's position. 00:06:50.178 --> 00:06:59.887 - And we have three anniversary increases on longevity for Jeff, Molly, and Justin. And otherwise, it's 00:06:59.887 --> 00:07:09.406 - basically the same as last year. Great. Thank you very much. That was pretty easy. Anybody have any 00:07:09.406 --> 00:07:16.926 - questions or comments for Mr. Schilling on his budget? Yes, Councilor Iverson. 00:07:17.410 --> 00:07:25.185 - Thank you for the simplified budget and keeping within the guidelines. My question is on the litigation 00:07:25.185 --> 00:07:32.661 - line. It's one of the key ways that you come back to us every single year. So do you feel like this 00:07:32.661 --> 00:07:39.838 - is a sufficient amount to cover litigation as it pertains to that line? It's close. It's close. 00:07:40.034 --> 00:07:47.817 - We have the litigation, litigation deduction and settlement lines, which have all been funded at $30,000. 00:07:47.817 --> 00:07:55.159 - If you add those together and divide it by the months, you get about 7,000 a month, and that's what 00:07:55.159 --> 00:08:02.941 - we've been spending. So I'm a little concerned because we usually get a lot more bills from the insurance 00:08:02.941 --> 00:08:07.934 - company towards the end of the year, but we still have about 28,000 00:08:08.130 --> 00:08:18.316 - that we can work with. So. We're going to be close. Okay. All right. You know, we always like to get 00:08:18.316 --> 00:08:28.603 - those budgets is close to what the expenditures are. So it's good to hear. Yeah. Any other questions? 00:08:28.603 --> 00:08:37.982 - No, no, no. Don't see Council member Decker Tan raised. May we please have a roll call vote? 00:08:39.010 --> 00:08:48.914 - Councillor Hawke? Pass. Councillor Wilz? Yes. Councillor Henry? Yes. Councillor Decker? Yes. Motion 00:08:48.914 --> 00:08:59.710 - passes by majority 6-0-1. All right, thank you very much. All right, next up is our Veterans Service Office. 00:09:00.386 --> 00:09:09.141 - Council, I move to open for discussion and review Fund 1000-0012 County General Veterans as well as 00:09:09.141 --> 00:09:18.596 - Fund 4114-0000 Donations Veterans Affairs. Second. All right. Good evening. Welcome. Good evening, Council. 00:09:18.596 --> 00:09:27.350 - Thank you for having us tonight. Our budget is relatively flat this year. We made a $25 increase to 00:09:27.350 --> 00:09:28.926 - our postage line. 00:09:29.314 --> 00:09:57.470 - we've got $160 in our donations fund. And that leaves us with just a $25 increase to the 00:09:58.018 --> 00:10:08.556 - good job on your budget. Any questions or comments from council on their budget? No. Councilor Wilks. 00:10:08.556 --> 00:10:18.886 - For the donations, you have $160 budgeted. Is that right? It is correct. We just learned about that 00:10:18.886 --> 00:10:23.742 - budget line item this year. So we learned from 00:10:23.906 --> 00:10:31.129 - the council office that we had a donations line. And so we just for the first time, we've got this kind 00:10:31.129 --> 00:10:38.352 - of in our budget. Is that the balance that is the balance? Yes. Okay. All right. Thanks. Council member 00:10:38.352 --> 00:10:45.436 - Decker. Thank you. Thank you very much. And thanks for always having a pretty straightforward budget. 00:10:45.436 --> 00:10:52.381 - One thing I just wanted to say on the public record pretty much is your liaison. Something I always 00:10:52.381 --> 00:10:53.214 - say to you, 00:10:53.474 --> 00:11:00.667 - I know the office is doing a lot. I know the office is also working with the property tax credit for 00:11:00.667 --> 00:11:07.789 - veterans and that can take considerable time. In your future budgets, if you have needs around some 00:11:07.789 --> 00:11:15.053 - of these tremendous services or whatever you're dealing with, don't hesitate to talk to us about that 00:11:15.053 --> 00:11:21.534 - in ways that we can support or maybe need to be thinking about figuring out how we support 00:11:21.698 --> 00:11:33.885 - the most robust way possible. We certainly will. Thank you very much and seeing no other further questions 00:11:33.885 --> 00:11:45.617 - or comments on this budget. May we please have a roll call vote? Councilor Feidl? Yes. Councilor Hawk? 00:11:45.617 --> 00:11:51.198 - Yes. Councilor Wilts? Yes. Councilor Henry? Yes. 00:11:51.938 --> 00:12:01.530 - Yes. Councilor Crosley? Yes. Councilor Iverson? Yes. Motion passes. Unanimous 7-0. Thank you very much. 00:12:01.530 --> 00:12:11.029 - Thank you. Thank you. All right. Next up is item 7 from Employee Services. Council, I move to open for 00:12:11.029 --> 00:12:20.990 - discussion and review funds 1000-0309 County General Employee Services. Fund 1114-0309 Lit Special Purpose. 00:12:21.250 --> 00:12:31.597 - employee services. Fund 1170-0309 public safety lit employee services. Fund 1215-0309 employee election 00:12:31.597 --> 00:12:41.844 - fund employee services. And finally, fund 4700-0000 self insurance. Second. All right, we got a motion 00:12:41.844 --> 00:12:48.510 - and a second. And welcome to your very first budget. Yay, welcome. 00:12:48.930 --> 00:12:58.659 - I have provided all of you with a self insurance budget hearing summary. When you get a chance to view 00:12:58.659 --> 00:13:08.294 - it, or if you would like to have a moment to read over it so you can ask any questions, I'm fine with 00:13:08.294 --> 00:13:12.734 - that. I have our 4,727 budget has had a slight 00:13:12.866 --> 00:13:21.643 - increase of 11% which we had already said that that was going to be the cost for the health care. In 00:13:21.643 --> 00:13:30.507 - the same view, the commissioners office worked with me and reduced a number of lines so we could help 00:13:30.507 --> 00:13:39.371 - to try to offset that increase. So you will see those changes that are within the 4700 fund. On. That 00:13:39.371 --> 00:13:40.414 - we ended up 00:13:40.898 --> 00:13:50.736 - I worked closely with Kim Schell from the council office and did a spreadsheet and work through each 00:13:50.736 --> 00:13:58.334 - individual fund and put in the self insurance lines amounts and notations. We 00:13:58.562 --> 00:14:09.311 - and that is what you're going to see in the countywide participation allocation and on that allocation, 00:14:09.311 --> 00:14:19.853 - it will have the budget FTE, which is that is your full time equivalent employees. Um in the position 00:14:19.853 --> 00:14:20.990 - supporting 00:14:21.122 --> 00:14:30.999 - that we came up with. Assessors 14 means 14 people in the assessor's office and how those lines are 00:14:30.999 --> 00:14:40.876 - made up that go with those amounts and those amounts are times by 18,000 and $38 and how we came up 00:14:40.876 --> 00:14:48.382 - with that factor. Is actual based on the necessary expense to the following 00:14:49.314 --> 00:14:59.543 - medical, dental, tandem, parental support, diagnostic and clinic services, prescription and wellness 00:14:59.543 --> 00:15:09.773 - plans, HSA support, planned employer support, paid and planned employer support, paid medical leave, 00:15:09.773 --> 00:15:17.470 - employer paid life insurance, the PCORI fees, occupational drug screenings, 00:15:18.146 --> 00:15:47.102 - that we have that we service for full time. That's how we came up with the 00:15:47.778 --> 00:16:02.802 - that amount, and that's how we come up with the dollar figure for those amounts. And then. To balance 00:16:02.802 --> 00:16:11.934 - out. We had checked with apex, which is our brokerage and our 00:16:12.354 --> 00:16:21.339 - They have an employee contribution sheet that they have given to us to give us an idea of what that 00:16:21.339 --> 00:16:30.324 - would look like with any kind of changes that we may have planned for in the future. Those have not 00:16:30.324 --> 00:16:39.399 - been voted by commissioners yet, so I can't discuss them in the meeting. But it looks as if we would 00:16:39.399 --> 00:16:40.926 - have $2,082,232. 00:16:41.186 --> 00:16:51.978 - that would come in from employee contributions. We would be funding $11,273,755 through our grants and 00:16:51.978 --> 00:17:02.875 - what you see in the allocations. And then we have an anticipated cash reserve that will be carried over 00:17:02.875 --> 00:17:09.790 - this next year. And I will tell you how I figured that so you can 00:17:09.922 --> 00:17:22.508 - and see where my mind thought was on that $2,409,020, which gave us total subtracted from the total 00:17:22.508 --> 00:17:36.478 - expenditures that as you see in the budget is $12,513 or $513 and $862 would leave an ending balance next year 00:17:36.610 --> 00:17:44.773 - of an anticipated cash revenue of $3,251,145. So that would keep us with a little bit of push at the 00:17:44.773 --> 00:17:52.855 - end of each year. And of course, they always want us to keep at least 15% of our cash balances, but 00:17:52.855 --> 00:18:01.260 - we never know with health care if we're going to get a huge complaint. And this keeps us from happening 00:18:01.260 --> 00:18:04.574 - to dip, hopefully, into another account. 00:18:04.738 --> 00:18:13.247 - that's the whole plan with this fun, so. I'm sure there is definitely is questions, but I just want 00:18:13.247 --> 00:18:21.757 - to again give you kudos because I know you've been working a lot hard and with this and considering 00:18:21.757 --> 00:18:30.266 - that this is your first budget. You know, session you kind of hit the ground running, and so I know 00:18:30.266 --> 00:18:32.734 - you had a lot on your plate. 00:18:32.962 --> 00:18:40.392 - You got here just as budget was kicking off. Lots of help. You have great, great, great people here. 00:18:40.392 --> 00:18:48.042 - Thank you. Love hearing that. Yeah, because I think we were looking at more than the 18,000 originally, 00:18:48.042 --> 00:18:55.619 - right? Yes. So, I mean, to hear that plus seeing how you broke this down and seeing a positive balance 00:18:55.619 --> 00:18:58.782 - at the end projected, that's really great. 00:18:59.234 --> 00:19:05.339 - So I really appreciate you taking the time and really explaining that and giving that to us. Thank you. 00:19:05.339 --> 00:19:11.268 - Yes, of course. Questions? I'll go Councilor Henry, and then I'll go Agresson first. Yeah, thank you 00:19:11.268 --> 00:19:17.197 - for being here. Thank you. This has been one of our more challenging account lines over the past few 00:19:17.197 --> 00:19:23.068 - years. Always is. It's a very large amount of our budget. And in a lot of ways, we are an insurance 00:19:23.068 --> 00:19:26.942 - provider, as well as a government, right? So my question is this. 00:19:27.202 --> 00:19:33.565 - In my past experience, it's been brief. I've only been on council a bit. It's good to meet you, 00:19:33.565 --> 00:19:40.458 - by the way, in person here. This seems to be more under control this year, in terms of how the spending 00:19:40.458 --> 00:19:47.153 - plan is thought through. Do you get like a monthly digest or bi-weekly from Apex or how the spending 00:19:47.153 --> 00:19:53.118 - is going? What does that report look like to you? Actually, we do that within our office. 00:19:53.282 --> 00:20:02.277 - Apex sends us a monthly bill and then we reconcile with that bill and then they give us an overall view 00:20:02.277 --> 00:20:11.013 - every quarter. So we can get it at any time in which we have been here lately just so we can keep up 00:20:11.013 --> 00:20:16.030 - on if there might be any kind of hidden costs that's like 00:20:16.386 --> 00:20:22.754 - it's the end of the year, scary time right now, as we all know, because we don't know what's gonna come 00:20:22.754 --> 00:20:28.938 - around the corner and if there's gonna be a high cost claim between now and the end of the year. But 00:20:28.938 --> 00:20:35.306 - what I did is I actually took what we had spent up to today and I divided that by eight months and then 00:20:35.306 --> 00:20:41.490 - times dip by four and then minused it from our cash balance to come up with what I hope that we have 00:20:41.490 --> 00:20:45.470 - that comes over to next year and what you'll see in your report. 00:20:46.242 --> 00:20:56.357 - I. Each insurance comes with a basis that we pay that every person here is insured under a certain amount, 00:20:56.357 --> 00:21:06.094 - and I'm not quite sure what yours is now. I'm just now learning your funds, but once they push through 00:21:06.094 --> 00:21:09.214 - that. Reinsurance fund they will 00:21:09.698 --> 00:21:16.649 - the insurance company pays more. So we should be getting into that time right now with anyone that has 00:21:16.649 --> 00:21:23.397 - been high cost for a while and that will get us more reimbursements. So that's what we are starting 00:21:23.397 --> 00:21:30.415 - to see. One thing that Angie and I had talked about that we would I think that we're going to work with 00:21:30.415 --> 00:21:33.182 - counsel with you guys to see if we could 00:21:33.346 --> 00:21:42.393 - that we would. Break out our refunds because they're built into where we receive and give out money 00:21:42.393 --> 00:21:51.712 - for claims and part of the claims process. So we would see exactly the lines there. I appreciate that. 00:21:51.712 --> 00:21:57.502 - I think I would. I would benefit from it. I'm not sure if other 00:21:57.634 --> 00:22:04.141 - Yeah, because what I don't want to do is get to a place where we sort of have that surprise where, hey, 00:22:04.141 --> 00:22:10.461 - oops, there's a $2 million hole, and here's the appropriation. And it comes through our usual agenda 00:22:10.461 --> 00:22:16.780 - process. But just having that, here's the health of the thing. Here's how close we're getting to the 00:22:16.780 --> 00:22:23.162 - minimum fund balance. I would find that useful so as not to be surprised when that line item comes to 00:22:23.162 --> 00:22:25.790 - Michelle and we have to put it before us. 00:22:26.370 --> 00:22:33.623 - a little bit of a reminder, sometimes those $2 million oops comes in and we don't even know they're 00:22:33.623 --> 00:22:40.877 - coming. So I have spoke with Apex because medical management was kind of my favorite thing to do in 00:22:40.877 --> 00:22:48.348 - my past HR history. And what that is is where you monitor people who are ill and making sure that they 00:22:48.348 --> 00:22:52.990 - are getting proper care immediately. Because believe it or not, 00:22:53.090 --> 00:23:12.414 - So I'm not a physician so would not be doing that part of it 00:23:12.514 --> 00:23:17.553 - And then does have someone that does that. So that would help us look to see if someone is going to 00:23:17.553 --> 00:23:22.794 - oncology appointments and that kind of stuff. They do not share names with us, but they do help us with 00:23:22.794 --> 00:23:28.086 - the money part of that. I appreciate that comment. And I appreciate the fact that that HIPAA information 00:23:28.086 --> 00:23:33.377 - is productive. We are a small government, and it doesn't take too long to put together, if we're talking 00:23:33.377 --> 00:23:38.618 - about someone's injury, who that might be in the government. As long as that information is kept close. 00:23:38.618 --> 00:23:42.398 - It's very, very close. I appreciate that, too. Thank you, Madam President. 00:23:43.394 --> 00:23:49.849 - Councilor Iverson. So the first question I have is to piggyback off of what something that President 00:23:49.849 --> 00:23:56.304 - Cross who had alluded to was that in fact this $18,038 actually came down based on your methodology. 00:23:56.304 --> 00:24:03.015 - Could you I guess the question I would have as an employee of this county is is that sufficient to cover 00:24:03.015 --> 00:24:09.342 - my health care needs and can you go through your methodology about how you came to that reduction? 00:24:09.538 --> 00:24:18.120 - So the actual reduction was a report that we had received from Apex benefits that did have a higher 00:24:18.120 --> 00:24:26.701 - amount, the extra $800 that we were talking about. So what ended up doing was we have revamped some 00:24:26.701 --> 00:24:35.626 - of the plans, different co-pays instead of them being 80-20, they're going to be 70-75-25. And we tried 00:24:35.626 --> 00:24:39.230 - to make them do where they were not huge, 00:24:39.714 --> 00:24:49.271 - that you could be able to do. Uh comparisons also, um. The budgeting to we didn't budget like right 00:24:49.271 --> 00:24:59.210 - to the point, but budgeting enough that you could be able to not have such high expenses. Um there were 00:24:59.210 --> 00:25:09.054 - some lines after Angie helped me review them. Um that had not been spent all the way through for a few 00:25:09.154 --> 00:25:17.251 - she helped me reduce those numbers. And then by doing that, that helped us get the cost of this down. 00:25:17.251 --> 00:25:25.268 - We are in hopes that that will surely cover everything that needs to be covered. But as we all know, 00:25:25.268 --> 00:25:33.365 - right now, the predicted is 9% if you look online anywhere. So 11, we're hoping will cover if there's 00:25:33.365 --> 00:25:34.238 - surprises. 00:25:36.162 --> 00:25:42.753 - just a quick follow up as you're renegotiating those plans. I know there's been a lot of chatter about 00:25:42.753 --> 00:25:49.408 - what's in network and what's out of network is particularly as it comes to health care that is regional 00:25:49.408 --> 00:25:55.935 - rest than local. Could you talk a little bit more about what you found there? Sure. So we are covered 00:25:55.935 --> 00:26:02.334 - by Anthem and Anthem has a policy that if the place that you're having treatment wherever it is all 00:26:02.334 --> 00:26:05.342 - over the United States, all over the world, if 00:26:05.698 --> 00:26:12.584 - They're covered by anthem plans anthem covers them. Okay, but if you go to some place if you are being 00:26:12.584 --> 00:26:19.403 - or you're going to a physician that is not covered by anthem, we can do some negotiations, but that's 00:26:19.403 --> 00:26:21.342 - all done through the broker. 00:26:21.442 --> 00:26:29.074 - and that money comes in that way and we can start doing a negotiation, especially if there's special 00:26:29.074 --> 00:26:36.631 - treatment that someone has to have that's not anthem provided. Um, but it is at a higher cost. But, 00:26:36.631 --> 00:26:44.263 - um, normal, normally most places except anthem. That's why anthem is a good, um, you don't like, um, 00:26:44.263 --> 00:26:47.134 - I used to work with cyho and cyho had 00:26:47.298 --> 00:26:54.236 - that you would go through. And now all of their circles have gone north. So if you really wanted to 00:26:54.236 --> 00:27:01.659 - see as psycho provided physician, you would have to go to Greenwood. You would have to go to Indianapolis. 00:27:01.659 --> 00:27:08.804 - You would have to go to different places that are not here. So with IU health being very large in this 00:27:08.804 --> 00:27:15.742 - community, they are an anthem provider. So that is that helps tremendously. And we have looked into 00:27:15.842 --> 00:27:26.542 - that we're going to be using like ortho Indy and making advisements. So we're getting together a road 00:27:26.542 --> 00:27:37.871 - show that's actually going to happen on the 14th and the 15th. To teach everyone how to be a savvy consumer 00:27:37.871 --> 00:27:45.214 - with to save costs for them as well as for the plan. There's a lot of 00:27:45.378 --> 00:27:52.467 - direct them to your office. Yes. All right. And there has been no plans adopted as of yet. 00:27:52.467 --> 00:28:00.256 - So the commissioners will be finalizing all of that. Of course. Yes. Yes. Yes. Councilor Bridal. So 00:28:00.256 --> 00:28:05.086 - as your council liaison, I enjoy working with you. Thank you. 00:28:05.218 --> 00:28:12.064 - I do as you. So I'm looking at the number six where you have down the employee contributions. I think 00:28:12.064 --> 00:28:18.976 - you said that was right. The two million eighty two and two thirty two. Yes. So I guess I'm wondering, 00:28:18.976 --> 00:28:23.070 - I presume there will be choices that the employees can make. 00:28:23.266 --> 00:28:30.733 - that's what we're looking at right now, right? So I wondered how did you base this on what people did 00:28:30.733 --> 00:28:38.494 - last year? Or what was that amount based? No, we actually have a proposed plans, which of course I cannot 00:28:38.494 --> 00:28:45.888 - divulge the plans right at this moment, but we do have divulged plans on. Um what it's going to look 00:28:45.888 --> 00:28:48.670 - like next year, and those are what we 00:28:48.834 --> 00:29:02.364 - I don't know that you're aware. Maybe you're not aware. We have a solar system that everyone will go 00:29:02.364 --> 00:29:16.028 - into, and they do their open enrollment, and it's all done digitally every bit of it. Um so they will 00:29:16.028 --> 00:29:17.502 - be able to 00:29:17.602 --> 00:29:25.797 - And in that plan, it'll say you will pay this much and your employer is going to pay this much. Okay, 00:29:25.797 --> 00:29:33.992 - a contribution. And it lets them know how their plans are worked. If they want individual counseling, 00:29:33.992 --> 00:29:39.134 - we can do that as well at that time. So they can pick the right 00:29:39.298 --> 00:29:49.916 - plan that's best fits them. And there are three plans as there was last year, and their deductibles 00:29:49.916 --> 00:30:01.277 - are all the same as they were before. So all of that is staying the same. Thank you. Uh huh. Councilmember 00:30:01.277 --> 00:30:07.966 - Wilts and then I'll go to Decker next. Thank you. Um. This is. 00:30:08.322 --> 00:30:17.620 - I'm like, Oh, my gosh, I'm going to have to read something while she's talking and you just like walked 00:30:17.620 --> 00:30:27.008 - through it and it. It's thank you. They really my big point on the budget. I do see where. If you scroll 00:30:27.008 --> 00:30:37.022 - down Michelle to the services, I think categories, yes. There were a lot of places where you deducted like you. 00:30:37.122 --> 00:30:46.706 - the budget from the previous year. And I know you touched on that. But is there a way for you? Are you 00:30:46.706 --> 00:30:56.383 - able to tell us a little bit more around, um. How you did that? Okay as I said, Angie and I worked very 00:30:56.383 --> 00:31:04.478 - close and he worked with these numbers. Lots of calculation time. Lots of figuring and 00:31:05.186 --> 00:31:13.518 - So are you wanting the general fund? Or do you want the self insurance fund? Self insurance. One moment. 00:31:13.518 --> 00:31:21.851 - Thank you. Oh, so you want the self insurance? Well, I thought that's what you were talking about. Yeah, 00:31:21.851 --> 00:31:30.104 - that's what I was. I was on the 4700. Yes. Yes. OK. OK. So to start with, we didn't used to appropriate 00:31:30.104 --> 00:31:33.278 - this budget. Right. And so I think that 00:31:33.474 --> 00:31:42.531 - This might be the third year that that has actually occurred. And I believe the first and second year 00:31:42.531 --> 00:31:51.676 - when that was done, it was kind of taking a shot from the hip as to kind of estimating, guesstimating, 00:31:51.676 --> 00:32:00.644 - if you will, as to what each of those account lines would require. I've been keeping track, like the 00:32:00.644 --> 00:32:02.686 - auditor's office does, 00:32:02.818 --> 00:32:11.844 - like from 21 until present. And so I was able to see how each of those lines actually is expended and 00:32:11.844 --> 00:32:20.959 - used. And that's how we were able to reduce the amount requested to be appropriated in that particular 00:32:20.959 --> 00:32:30.782 - line. OK, that makes sense. Thank you. Councilmember Decker. Thank you very much. Pardon me, this is my voice. 00:32:30.978 --> 00:32:38.251 - It's awesome to have you with us for your first time. One thing I would say, in the past, we have had 00:32:38.251 --> 00:32:45.382 - changes to benefits, particularly around health that kind of at first blush seemed like pretty easy 00:32:45.382 --> 00:32:52.798 - to do, but getting the word out there and then getting everybody okay with the change is always another 00:32:52.798 --> 00:32:56.862 - matter. And so I would just say, as things move forward, 00:32:57.314 --> 00:33:04.766 - The office, in my opinion, has done a really good job of education out there and of being proactive 00:33:04.766 --> 00:33:12.293 - on that. But I would also just kind of urge patience because sometimes word travels slowly even with 00:33:12.293 --> 00:33:19.969 - outreach and often there's struggles to, people struggle to come forward until it's a little bit later 00:33:19.969 --> 00:33:26.750 - down on the road. So just some things I've observed in the past. Thank you for the advice. 00:33:27.138 --> 00:33:34.423 - We're in hopes that by doing the road show, we're supposed to be doing a small brief sheet that will 00:33:34.423 --> 00:33:41.707 - go out to all the employees as we talk to them. And we're literally going to go to every office. And 00:33:41.707 --> 00:33:49.208 - I don't know where all the offices are, so this is going to be a hello. And I get to know we are taking 00:33:49.208 --> 00:33:52.670 - Apex with us. We are taking the clinic with us. 00:33:52.770 --> 00:34:00.009 - Yes, and we're taking our office as employer services because we're going to talk about things from 00:34:00.009 --> 00:34:07.465 - employee services and workman's compensation and those sorts of things on a one-on-one so they can ask 00:34:07.465 --> 00:34:15.283 - us questions and we can talk with them. So we're in hopes that that will open up the line of communication. 00:34:15.283 --> 00:34:20.350 - Of course, there is always improvements that can be made. Good start. 00:34:21.826 --> 00:34:27.341 - Awesome. And I think the auditor had her hand up. So I'm going to go to her and then I'll circle back 00:34:27.341 --> 00:34:33.125 - to Councilor Iverson. Yeah. I just want to again, welcome you, but thank you. This is the best information 00:34:33.125 --> 00:34:38.532 - we've received and it's just the management overall has been so good and then the collaboration. So 00:34:38.532 --> 00:34:42.046 - just wanted to thank you all for that. Appreciate it. Thank you. 00:34:49.826 --> 00:34:58.962 - in your general fund zero three zero nine and the ones. You have budgeted for full time self insurance 00:34:58.962 --> 00:35:07.921 - online eighteen zero zero one seven point three five two million dollars my question is why is it up 00:35:07.921 --> 00:35:16.969 - here and why is it not down in fund forty seven hundred. Okay so forty seven hundred is a transfer in 00:35:16.969 --> 00:35:18.654 - on. So all of this 00:35:18.818 --> 00:35:27.325 - under three countywide participating fund allocation you'll see the first one is one thousand oh three 00:35:27.325 --> 00:35:35.667 - oh nine general fund four hundred and seven point five five nine employees and they're all broke out 00:35:35.667 --> 00:35:44.257 - here on what departments that they're in comes out of that fund that's out of the general fund and that 00:35:44.257 --> 00:35:48.222 - explains to you where that number comes from so 00:35:48.546 --> 00:35:56.689 - And then at the beginning of each year there will be transfer ends from and you can see all the other 00:35:56.689 --> 00:36:04.753 - different funds that are listed here on the side. Those funds will also be transferred in and that's 00:36:04.753 --> 00:36:12.817 - the allocations that are made to create the forty seven hundred fun along with the cash balance that 00:36:12.817 --> 00:36:14.174 - is carried over. 00:36:14.306 --> 00:36:19.987 - I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say 00:36:19.987 --> 00:36:25.612 - that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going 00:36:25.612 --> 00:36:31.292 - to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not 00:36:31.292 --> 00:36:35.358 - going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. 00:36:36.034 --> 00:36:43.409 - if you'll recall, you used to do this in every single departmental budget. So rather than having to 00:36:43.409 --> 00:36:51.079 - go to each department and have them sweep that amount into the 4,700, it was better to just consolidate 00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:58.749 - it down into one general fund department, and then we list how many positions this covers. So this just 00:36:58.749 --> 00:37:05.534 - makes it easier with regards to we don't have to bug the departments or she doesn't have to 00:37:05.634 --> 00:37:13.221 - you know, bug the departments to sweep that amount in. And you can see the actual total of what the 00:37:13.221 --> 00:37:21.264 - amount for general fund is. So that's why we moved to this concept the last three years. Having it broken 00:37:21.264 --> 00:37:28.851 - down in section three like this makes it so intuitive. It makes it so easy to see it. So thank you. 00:37:28.851 --> 00:37:34.238 - And yeah, and so this is the employer part, whereas their fund, 4,700, 00:37:34.466 --> 00:37:42.922 - then takes in the employee part that is paid out through a payroll. So that amount is automatically 00:37:42.922 --> 00:37:51.462 - swept into that fund. So that's how we do that. Okay. Oh, sorry. Councilor Hawke. Yes. First of all, 00:37:51.462 --> 00:38:00.510 - thank you, Kim, for working with me today and getting through these questions with me. And every year I've 00:38:00.610 --> 00:38:08.698 - I thought, I'm not sure I'm following this. But one of the things you mentioned, and maybe it's just 00:38:08.698 --> 00:38:16.946 - the way it has to be, but when I'm looking at, and I'm the liaison for the youth services, and so when 00:38:16.946 --> 00:38:25.114 - I was looking at that, it does concern me a bit that you're mixing all of those employees together as 00:38:25.114 --> 00:38:29.758 - if they're all an employee of the Bureau, of the shelter. 00:38:30.434 --> 00:38:37.544 - that total is for all of the employees, whether it's probation or whatever. And so it's really hard 00:38:37.544 --> 00:38:44.796 - to see, is probation, what's going on with those numbers, what's going on at the shelter, if you have 00:38:44.796 --> 00:38:52.048 - vacancies and whatever, and to just be able to follow along with the expenses of the shelter, because 00:38:52.048 --> 00:38:55.390 - that's close, at least it's close to my heart. 00:38:55.874 --> 00:39:02.511 - that we make sure that we always cover the shelter expenses and not have them have to pay the price 00:39:02.511 --> 00:39:09.147 - for picking up insurance coverage for other portions that was never supposed to have been a part of 00:39:09.147 --> 00:39:16.116 - the whole thing to begin with. So what we have that under just so you're aware is those come from grants 00:39:16.116 --> 00:39:23.350 - and I don't have the names of the grants that the money comes in from. But the positions that are supporting 00:39:23.350 --> 00:39:24.478 - our eight health 00:39:25.186 --> 00:39:39.376 - that is for health, probation, 21.91 employees and YSB is 2.27. So that total that you see there is 00:39:39.376 --> 00:39:53.566 - for health, probation and YSB. It is not just YSB. Probation and what that. No, she's talking about 00:39:53.698 --> 00:40:05.496 - employees in the general fund. Well, I just had wanted to have my opportunity to say I would think that 00:40:05.496 --> 00:40:16.386 - I would want you to protect them as well. Yes, so we'll look in that to make sure that. Oh yes, 00:40:16.386 --> 00:40:21.150 - Miss Woodruff. I do want to clarify that. 00:40:21.314 --> 00:40:28.081 - Whenever these are paid, the employee services is really good about sending us a spreadsheet and it 00:40:28.081 --> 00:40:35.322 - ties out every single position that is being paid on a line by line item. So while you may see the budgets 00:40:35.322 --> 00:40:42.225 - kind of lumped together, those are broken out in the claims process by each and every position within 00:40:42.225 --> 00:40:47.774 - the county. I'm sorry, I missed that. I mean, if that's an answer to my question, 00:40:49.218 --> 00:40:58.870 - it might look okay in the claims department, but when we're looking at it through budget, it doesn't 00:40:58.870 --> 00:41:08.426 - show up that way. But anyway, thank you. Okay. Yes. Councilor Wilts. Last one. Could you all remind 00:41:08.426 --> 00:41:18.174 - me, we transferred like 3 million last year. Yes. Okay. This past year? Yes. At the end of last year. 00:41:18.978 --> 00:41:28.221 - I'm where I put it. So we that that reserve then kind of is representative of that cash influx that 00:41:28.221 --> 00:41:38.110 - we provided. Yep. Give or take point. Exactly. All right. And so Pardon me. And are you All right. So, um, 00:41:38.882 --> 00:41:50.501 - What I had did was you have actually $6,136,541 left in the cash balance in that account currently. 00:41:50.501 --> 00:42:03.166 - If things keep going as they have been, it'll be right around $3,772,683 that we will be minusing from that. 00:42:04.066 --> 00:42:12.127 - And that would leave us an estimated cash balance of $2,363,858. So that would be your carryover that 00:42:12.127 --> 00:42:20.030 - would just carry over, which is almost identical to what you had last year. So that's a good thing, 00:42:20.030 --> 00:42:25.246 - because then it'll hook with whatever is left over, and that will 00:42:25.346 --> 00:42:33.952 - keep carrying and then hopefully every year if we can keep that going we will get a cash balance in 00:42:33.952 --> 00:42:42.987 - the bottom for when some things do happen because they do. Thank you. Ms. Gregor. I would like to remind 00:42:42.987 --> 00:42:50.302 - the council that that target fund balance that we need to maintain is three million. 00:42:50.850 --> 00:42:59.213 - This isn't so much like a question, but this is a comment, is that I know for all of us here, budget 00:42:59.213 --> 00:43:07.742 - is heavy and it's hard, and it's never a dull moment around these times. But the reason why I say that 00:43:07.742 --> 00:43:16.023 - is because that $7 million is a huge amount that is in our general fund. We got to have it, because 00:43:16.023 --> 00:43:18.590 - folks have to be, they got to, 00:43:18.690 --> 00:43:26.205 - be insured. We've got to take care of them as much as possible. And the reason why I bring this up is 00:43:26.205 --> 00:43:33.573 - because I've had the conversations with the commissioners related to edit. I'm not stepping on toes 00:43:33.573 --> 00:43:41.088 - or anything like that right now. But I do want us to think about as we are looking down the line. And 00:43:41.088 --> 00:43:48.382 - I've also sent an email asking for us to have that conversation and that dialogue related to edit. 00:43:48.642 --> 00:44:00.453 - But I personally would like to see if we could move over that amount in the $7,352,109 over into edit 00:44:00.453 --> 00:44:11.454 - pending a approval from the commissioners on edit. And I just wanted to see if anybody had any 00:44:12.002 --> 00:44:18.361 - I've checked with the auditor, and that is something that we can do. Again, I understand that that is 00:44:18.361 --> 00:44:24.595 - pending your approval. But the idea and the reason that I say that is because as we will go through 00:44:24.595 --> 00:44:30.954 - budget, I'm sure there are some things that some of my colleagues here would like to maybe trim down. 00:44:30.954 --> 00:44:37.189 - But this is a big move over as we look and work towards the common goal of trying to make sure that 00:44:37.189 --> 00:44:41.054 - we give a COLA to all our employees. So I just wanted to ask, 00:44:41.538 --> 00:44:50.318 - what's your appetite with that Councilor Everson? My thoughts from a fiscal standpoint alone immediately 00:44:50.318 --> 00:44:58.847 - go to the budget fund analysis that our auditors department showed at the very beginning where if you 00:44:58.847 --> 00:45:07.208 - do a deep dive calculation on the levy funds the general is somewhere around 1.7 million in the red 00:45:07.208 --> 00:45:10.302 - right now. Am I reading that? The 4B 00:45:12.706 --> 00:45:21.234 - Yes, that is correct. Apologies. Okay. It's good that we're on the same page. And then if you go through 00:45:21.234 --> 00:45:29.925 - all of the levy funds and you sum them up, the right now, the deficit there is about $11 million. Correct. 00:45:29.925 --> 00:45:38.046 - Right? So if moving $7 million over out of the general, that could provide some relief, or actually 00:45:38.046 --> 00:45:41.214 - it would provide quite a bit of relief 00:45:41.314 --> 00:45:50.787 - from a purely financial standpoint? Yes, agreed. So those are my thoughts. And to remind folks, too, 00:45:50.787 --> 00:46:00.167 - we also ask for people to put what we had back in edit back over into their budgets. And they have. 00:46:00.167 --> 00:46:08.702 - So right now, the slate for edit is clean. Again, pending the approval from commissioners, 00:46:08.834 --> 00:46:14.816 - And hopefully this is something that we can do in a collaboration and in an effort. But I just wanted 00:46:14.816 --> 00:46:20.856 - to bring that because I know last year that was something that we kind of did as the last minute. Hell 00:46:20.856 --> 00:46:26.721 - Mary passed. But I want to at the beginning of budget, I want us to start thinking about that. Yes, 00:46:26.721 --> 00:46:33.406 - Council. And I just briefly looked at it when I came in and sat down. But as a response to Councilmember Iverson. 00:46:33.602 --> 00:46:40.475 - at 1.7 that we're in the red. I think that's what you said and I don't have it down in front of me. 00:46:40.475 --> 00:46:47.418 - But we can't do, we can't just do that because that leaves us with nothing for the first six months. 00:46:47.418 --> 00:46:54.291 - That balance has got to be a whole lot more than something in the red. It's got to be our first six 00:46:54.291 --> 00:47:01.302 - months operating to get us through until our next settlement in June. Of course, you're going to have 00:47:01.302 --> 00:47:02.814 - income tax coming in, 00:47:03.746 --> 00:47:11.547 - It's more than just being in the red 1.2. It's way more than that. It's a good point. I don't think 00:47:11.547 --> 00:47:19.817 - we're talking about the balance though, are we? If I may, that's just considering revenue against budget. 00:47:19.817 --> 00:47:27.696 - We're not looking at cash reserves. So that's a completely separate issue. We have the cash reserves 00:47:27.696 --> 00:47:29.022 - to pull through. 00:47:35.746 --> 00:47:52.595 - any other questions or comments on this item? Well, I will make a motion. So, Council, I move that we 00:47:52.595 --> 00:48:05.150 - move from Employee Services Law and Fund 1000-0309 the amount of $7,352,109 00:48:05.346 --> 00:48:20.625 - of County General into edit pending Commissioner's approval. Okay we got a motion and a second any questions 00:48:20.625 --> 00:48:27.774 - or comments? I would like to hear what they think. 00:48:28.002 --> 00:48:34.644 - I will just say that we've not had an internal discussion yet on the proposal. So we have yet to do 00:48:34.644 --> 00:48:41.751 - that. So hopefully very soon and hopefully we can have that conversation together. I would assume October, 00:48:41.751 --> 00:48:42.814 - November. Yeah. 00:48:43.554 --> 00:48:49.775 - Of course, I will. And I think we got to do this before our budget adoption, which would be the end 00:48:49.775 --> 00:48:55.997 - of October. So yes. And again, I'm not trying to step on toes. I know I sent an email. That's why I 00:48:55.997 --> 00:49:02.529 - said pending approval, because I know that's something that we all got to do. So that wasn't like, we're 00:49:02.529 --> 00:49:09.310 - going to do it whether you like it or not. No, it's more of just getting that ball rolling so that we're not 00:49:09.794 --> 00:49:15.878 - So I just want to make sure that's clear. Yes, Councilor Henry. Thank you, Mr. President, and I was 00:49:15.878 --> 00:49:22.144 - happy to second so we could get the ball rolling, as you say. So this is good to have the conversation 00:49:22.144 --> 00:49:28.228 - in the room to start constructing what the potential edit plan could look like for 27. I would just 00:49:28.228 --> 00:49:29.566 - remind folks that the 00:49:29.762 --> 00:49:36.155 - The adoption of the cola the 2% that we agreed to a few weeks ago that that motion that I made was also 00:49:36.155 --> 00:49:42.302 - contingent on whether or not we were using the edit that was the totality of that statement that we 00:49:42.302 --> 00:49:48.572 - had all voted on and so. The cola as it's in here, because we needed to get it in gateway to do these 00:49:48.572 --> 00:49:50.846 - adjustments, the other part of that. 00:49:50.978 --> 00:49:56.381 - Motion the sentence that matters is just the same as counselor cross he said about the contingent use 00:49:56.381 --> 00:50:01.996 - of the edit because without that, we're going to have to revisit all of this, you know, and so, so that's 00:50:01.996 --> 00:50:07.506 - part of the build out there. And I see Commissioner Thomas has maybe a comment to that but also auditor 00:50:07.506 --> 00:50:08.830 - Gregory on that too but. 00:50:08.962 --> 00:50:14.744 - I just wanted to raise that back up, too. Thank you. I appreciate that. Again, not trying to do any, 00:50:14.744 --> 00:50:20.469 - like, gotcha moments, but... Yeah, I was just wondering what the COLA amount is in total so that we 00:50:20.469 --> 00:50:26.308 - can have that discussion. Motion was for 2%. 2% was what was put forward to staff. Yes. Well, I mean, 00:50:26.308 --> 00:50:32.148 - I think she wants the total amount. Dollar amount. Dollar amount. Dollar amount. And that's something 00:50:32.148 --> 00:50:37.758 - that we can get from you all. Yes, I'll get you. Okay. Perfect. Thanks. Okay. Perfect. Thank you. 00:50:37.922 --> 00:50:46.073 - Okay. One more request before it. We got a motion on the table. So I just want to make sure. Did you 00:50:46.073 --> 00:50:54.627 - have something on our motion? Just a note that in our sustainability plan, our financial solutions group, 00:50:54.627 --> 00:51:03.020 - the 2% is contingent, like the affordability is contingent upon being able to utilize that fund. I just 00:51:03.020 --> 00:51:06.974 - want to make sure that's clear. And they did say 00:51:07.522 --> 00:51:17.505 - that it like advised like that or recommended something that we could use at it for this purpose. Okay, 00:51:17.505 --> 00:51:27.295 - I just want to make sure that is on there. Okay, so we got the motion on the floor for this. Is there 00:51:27.295 --> 00:51:36.414 - any other further questions? Yes, Councilor Wilks. So in FSG's advice about the COLA, did they 00:51:36.898 --> 00:51:45.310 - I don't remember seeing an amount that they said we needed to utilize the edit. Is it the same as last 00:51:45.310 --> 00:51:53.639 - year, or was there an amount? Same as last year is what it said. They had a projected increase. Do we 00:51:53.639 --> 00:52:02.051 - have that in front of us, Carly? They did say they were comfortable with 2% for the COLA. And they did 00:52:02.051 --> 00:52:05.726 - increase the amount to be budgeted and added 00:52:05.986 --> 00:52:13.922 - of course, pending commissioner approval by a percentage. And we'll get that for you. I don't have it 00:52:13.922 --> 00:52:21.858 - at my fingertips right this second, though. That's another number I think we need. Yes, I agree. More 00:52:21.858 --> 00:52:30.027 - than this year. Thank you. OK. All right. Any other questions or comments? Councilor Hull? So the motion 00:52:30.027 --> 00:52:34.462 - is to move the $7 million expense over to that. Correct. 00:52:34.658 --> 00:52:42.605 - the COLA over there or just the 7 million? It's just the 7 million right now in an effort to make sure 00:52:42.605 --> 00:52:50.321 - that we can do that. And then, of course, our office will give Commissioner Thomas the total amount 00:52:50.321 --> 00:52:58.269 - for the projected COLA amount. And as a reminder, we took from County General a huge amount toward the 00:52:58.269 --> 00:53:01.278 - end of the year to boost up that fund. 00:53:01.474 --> 00:53:09.213 - And the other funds did not have to pick up any of the expenses. And so, you know, we should not continue 00:53:09.213 --> 00:53:16.513 - to punish the people getting paid out of that general fund because we're. You know, we're trying to 00:53:16.513 --> 00:53:23.960 - make up for some of these other funds. We just shouldn't. It's not fair to our county employees. Have 00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:30.238 - the general fund. All right, people even know which fund they're getting paid out of. 00:53:30.402 --> 00:53:39.179 - Yeah. Okay. So we got a motion on the floor and maybe please have again. The motion is to move the seven 00:53:39.179 --> 00:53:47.705 - million and three hundred fifty two thousand one hundred nine dollars over and to edit. And so can we 00:53:47.705 --> 00:53:56.816 - please have a roll call vote? Councillor Hawk? Yes. Councillor Wills? Yes. Councillor Henry? Yes. Councillor 00:53:56.816 --> 00:53:59.742 - Deckard? Yes. Councillor Crossley? 00:54:00.002 --> 00:54:15.740 - Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 00:54:15.740 --> 00:54:29.118 - Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 00:54:29.410 --> 00:54:35.924 - All right. And then I'm sorry, you actually had something else that you wanted to say that I can wait 00:54:35.924 --> 00:54:42.375 - until you get out of the general fund because it's in the 4700. I mean, technically we're in all you 00:54:42.375 --> 00:54:46.526 - open up your budget for everything. Okay, so, um, the 4700 fund. 00:54:46.786 --> 00:54:58.641 - when we were doing the calculations, we were comparison to a format that we were using to make calculations 00:54:58.641 --> 00:55:09.838 - for perf and for FICA. It got added into 4,700 twice. So we would like to take out 4,700, 1, 9, 9, 9, 00:55:09.838 --> 00:55:15.326 - 9 perf for an amount of 15. Budget advertisement. 00:55:15.618 --> 00:55:23.575 - That's just a placeholder, correct? That's just a placeholder. Yeah. And you have it further down. There's 00:55:23.575 --> 00:55:31.160 - a different one. It's like $5 million further down in the budget. We did it for each category. Right. 00:55:31.160 --> 00:55:38.596 - But we did it across the board for everybody. So it will not show up in the final. So you can leave 00:55:38.596 --> 00:55:45.214 - that. But then the FICA for 18101 needs to be zeroed out. OK. Yes. This line right here. 00:55:45.570 --> 00:55:55.483 - yes okay 3902 3902 okay okay all right thank you that's it okay thank you personnel categories okay 00:55:55.483 --> 00:56:05.594 - all right so yes council Iverson okay we're gonna I'm gonna make a motion to go back to the edit just 00:56:05.594 --> 00:56:13.822 - real quick okay or do we need to make a motion let's just go ahead and do this one 00:56:14.210 --> 00:56:26.888 - Yeah, that's what I was saying. Let's do that. I cannot see. It's Fund 4700, Account Line 18101, FICA. 00:56:26.888 --> 00:56:39.321 - And the amount of $3,902? Correct. All right, Council, I move to open Fund 4700-18101 and remove the 00:56:39.321 --> 00:56:43.998 - FICA amount, which is $3,902. Second. 00:56:44.930 --> 00:56:53.313 - Okay. We got a motion and a second. Any further clarification? Council. That was messy. Was it right? 00:56:53.313 --> 00:57:01.532 - No, that was good. Okay. Okay. Any other questions or comments on this? All right. Seeing none, may 00:57:01.532 --> 00:57:09.915 - we please have a roll call vote. Councilor Crosley? Yes. Councilor Wilts? Yes. Councilor Decker? Yes. 00:57:09.915 --> 00:57:14.846 - Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor Feidl? Yes. And Councilor 00:57:17.186 --> 00:57:27.030 - motion. Oh, Councilor Henry. Yes. Motion passes. Unanimous seven zero. Okay. And I'm gonna go back to 00:57:27.030 --> 00:57:36.681 - the Council. I understand Council. I moved to open fund 1112-0309 Employee Services Department, and 00:57:36.681 --> 00:57:46.814 - I moved to, uh, that was me being flustered because I don't have the line written down and I moved to in 00:57:46.914 --> 00:57:57.052 - move seven million three hundred fifty two thousand one hundred and nine dollars into line. One eight 00:57:57.052 --> 00:58:04.606 - one. One eight one. One moment yeah that has a second messy motion in a row 00:58:16.194 --> 00:58:23.739 - 8001 self-insurance that's the line one eight zero zero one full-time self-insurance I'm gonna reread 00:58:23.739 --> 00:58:31.877 - the motion council I move to open fund one one one two dash zero three zero nine employee services department 00:58:31.877 --> 00:58:39.422 - and in line one eight zero zero one full-time self-insurance I move to ink to put in the amount seven 00:58:39.422 --> 00:58:45.118 - million three hundred fifty two thousand one hundred and nine dollars second 00:58:46.466 --> 00:58:54.984 - Okay, we got a motion and a second. Yes, Council Iverson. Pending Commissioner approval. Yes. Correct. 00:58:54.984 --> 00:59:03.418 - No further questions on this item? Okay. So may we please have a roll call vote. Councilor Hawk? Yes. 00:59:03.418 --> 00:59:11.936 - Councilor Feidl? Yes. Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor Crosley? Yes. Councilor Decker? Yes. Councilor 00:59:11.936 --> 00:59:14.334 - Henry? Yes. Councilor Wilts? 00:59:14.530 --> 00:59:25.076 - Yes. Motion passes unanimous 7-0. Thank you very much. Now we need to come back to the overall passing 00:59:25.076 --> 00:59:35.724 - through of the employee services budget line. So may we please have a roll call vote on that? Councilor 00:59:35.724 --> 00:59:44.222 - Henry? Yes. Councilor Decker? Yes. Councilor Crosley? Yes. Councilor Iverson? Yes. 00:59:44.706 --> 00:59:57.831 - Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 00:59:57.831 --> 01:00:10.957 - Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 01:00:10.957 --> 01:00:14.238 - Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 01:00:15.010 --> 01:00:26.856 - Come on up. Good evening. I'm just here. This is your second. This is second full year. Yes, 01:00:26.856 --> 01:00:39.849 - that is correct. Yay. All right, go ahead. So budget as presented, you see there's been no change, no 01:00:39.849 --> 01:00:42.014 - increase anyway. 01:00:42.114 --> 01:00:51.598 - some line items that you may see there that look like they did not exist just last year or this year, 01:00:51.598 --> 01:01:00.618 - previously in edit. So they've just been moved over. Everything's basically the same. All right. 01:01:00.618 --> 01:01:10.846 - In payroll, there is increase that's due to 10 years of service and the COLA. Thank you very much. All right. 01:01:11.042 --> 01:01:18.704 - Council, colleagues, do you have any questions on this item or comments? This is pretty simplified, 01:01:18.704 --> 01:01:26.443 - easy budget. So thank you very, very much. All right. And seeing no hand raised on Zoom or any here, 01:01:26.443 --> 01:01:34.258 - that was easy, like the button. May we please have roll call votes? Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor 01:01:34.258 --> 01:01:40.158 - Feidl? Yes. Councilor Hogg? Yes. Councilor Wilts? Yes. Councilor Henry? Yes. 01:01:40.322 --> 01:01:48.932 - Councilor Deckard. Yes. Councilor Crosley. Yes. Motion passes unanimous 7-0. Great. Thank you very much. 01:01:48.932 --> 01:01:57.214 - Thank you. Have a good evening. You too. Next up is from our building department. Council, I move to 01:01:57.214 --> 01:02:05.578 - open for discussion or review fund 1000-0312 County General Buildings and fund 1240-0000 Building and 01:02:05.578 --> 01:02:07.710 - Construction Related Fees 01:02:07.842 --> 01:02:15.190 - please note as of this date, the building department has yet received guidance on how to move forward 01:02:15.190 --> 01:02:21.890 - with fund 1240-0000 building and construction related fees fund. Second. All right. Welcome. 01:02:21.890 --> 01:02:28.734 - We have Mr. LaRue here. Welcome. Good evening, counselors. Good evening. Thanks for having me. 01:02:29.314 --> 01:02:39.103 - to say, I guess. Thanks for being here. There's really not much has changed this year. There was one 01:02:39.103 --> 01:02:48.989 - line that changed from account line that I thought would do something and was not usable. So we moved 01:02:48.989 --> 01:02:59.166 - some computer maintenance and repair to a service line that allows us to service our permitting printer. 01:03:01.410 --> 01:03:10.606 - But it was the exact same amount, just moved to a different line that can be used as intended. All right. 01:03:10.606 --> 01:03:19.456 - Any questions? I'll go Councilor Honk and then Iverson. Yep. Okay. Thank you for taking time to speak 01:03:19.456 --> 01:03:29.086 - with me about your budget. One thing I wanted to call your attention to is, you know, the legislation changed. 01:03:29.250 --> 01:03:36.648 - The revenue that he receives does not come immediately into County General. It's set aside in a separate 01:03:36.648 --> 01:03:43.694 - fund, and they've worked out how to do that, that it will be worked like a reimbursement if there's 01:03:43.694 --> 01:03:50.740 - money there to reimburse for their expenses in County General. But there's no guarantee of how much 01:03:50.740 --> 01:03:55.038 - will be there. And I did notice on the miscellaneous revenue 01:03:55.170 --> 01:04:04.083 - sheet for county general. It showed, I believe, an increase in what the budget would be coming from. 01:04:04.083 --> 01:04:13.438 - But, you know, you've got to let that balance grow a little bit. You've got to have just like the rest of 01:04:13.666 --> 01:04:19.870 - and you start a new fund, you've got to wait for it to grow a little bit before you have enough to go 01:04:19.870 --> 01:04:26.196 - back and reimburse whatever you're spending. So I think we have to be very careful. It was 300 and some 01:04:26.196 --> 01:04:32.340 - thousand dollars, I believe, is what I saw. I'm sorry, I'm not looking straight at it. And all I can 01:04:32.340 --> 01:04:38.484 - see over there is a big black. Oh, I have trouble with my eyesight, so I can't see you, Carly, but I 01:04:38.484 --> 01:04:40.126 - know you're sitting there. 01:04:44.706 --> 01:04:53.076 - I'm just saying, I don't know that we can count on that whole $307,000 if that's what it was. I forget 01:04:53.076 --> 01:04:54.782 - what the number was. 01:04:57.026 --> 01:05:04.295 - budget both the expenditures and the revenue in Fund 1000 for right now. The new fund is created. 01:05:04.295 --> 01:05:11.786 - Unfortunately we sent an email to the DSBOA over a month ago and we had some questions about some of 01:05:11.786 --> 01:05:19.203 - the finer details with how to go through executing those new legislation changes and the response I 01:05:19.203 --> 01:05:21.502 - got back was we're waiting for 01:05:21.602 --> 01:05:27.951 - We're looking into that. You're not the only county that has these questions and we'll get back to you. 01:05:27.951 --> 01:05:34.361 - So what this will likely look like is we'll budget all of the revenue and expenses and the general fund. 01:05:34.361 --> 01:05:40.466 - And then once we have that guidance, we'll come back and we'll de-appropriate and re-appropriate at 01:05:40.466 --> 01:05:46.510 - net zero amounts in order to follow that statute and not inflate arbitrarily either side of those. 01:05:46.510 --> 01:05:48.158 - I mean, you know, I think, 01:05:48.866 --> 01:05:55.752 - Are you looking at it is a 300 and some thousand dollars did I get that right. I don't have it right 01:05:55.752 --> 01:06:02.843 - in front of me, but that does sound like it's in the ballpark. I hadn't really planned to speak on this 01:06:02.843 --> 01:06:09.729 - but after I looked at the miscellaneous revenue I thought this doesn't really sound right so. I just 01:06:09.729 --> 01:06:11.774 - don't want you to think that. 01:06:11.874 --> 01:06:19.017 - that it's the building department that's not working toward doing what the legislation says, but it 01:06:19.017 --> 01:06:26.303 - is a really, it's a new thing for us to work through. And I believe that the legislation included the 01:06:26.303 --> 01:06:33.589 - planning department fees, though that part I don't really remember for sure. So all of that has to be 01:06:33.589 --> 01:06:36.446 - worked out. And once again, we hit the, 01:06:36.706 --> 01:06:47.494 - that the budget for the department could very well exceed the revenue for the department. I was. Mr 01:06:47.494 --> 01:06:58.714 - LaRue one of the things that we often talk about is vacancies and departments and I just wanted to hear 01:06:58.714 --> 01:07:05.726 - an update from you on how that's going. It we're managing it is- 01:07:05.890 --> 01:07:20.295 - a really promising inspector leave at the beginning of our busiest season. We work through it. We have 01:07:20.295 --> 01:07:35.678 - been able to fill one position. And frankly, it will take time before there is a huge impact made. Fantastic. 01:07:35.906 --> 01:07:47.087 - I think it was a fantastic choice for our department and our community. But quite frankly, it's going 01:07:47.087 --> 01:07:58.049 - to take some time and training and before there's a huge dent made there. I'm not going to tell you 01:07:58.049 --> 01:08:01.886 - it's been my favorite summer here. 01:08:02.274 --> 01:08:11.737 - but we got through it and there are hundreds of dwelling units that got inspected and opened in time 01:08:11.737 --> 01:08:21.293 - for the university to come back. Hundreds of single family, probably not hundreds, but tens of single 01:08:21.293 --> 01:08:27.102 - family homes that got opened in time. We generally have about 01:08:27.234 --> 01:08:37.630 - 160-ish single-family homes a year. So they're not all in time for school, but we've been able to manage 01:08:37.630 --> 01:08:47.827 - that as well. As you all are aware, there has been a lot of legislation changes around the department, 01:08:47.827 --> 01:08:55.550 - not just here, but throughout. So we are doing our best to work through them. 01:08:55.650 --> 01:09:04.113 - and to meet timelines and timeframes that are mandated by the legislation. Keep reaching out. 01:09:04.113 --> 01:09:13.117 - We're here. I appreciate that. I also understand that, you know, I'm thinking of the department for 01:09:13.117 --> 01:09:22.121 - a reason. I'm trying to get through that before we come back and talk to you. Councilmember Decker, 01:09:22.121 --> 01:09:25.182 - I thought I saw your hand raised. 01:09:26.306 --> 01:09:34.798 - and I appreciate always when Bobby is here and in his comments, and I'm good. Thank you. Well again, 01:09:34.798 --> 01:09:43.374 - thank you for all you do. I don't know what's the challenge in Tom and I just like even last year and 01:09:43.374 --> 01:09:51.866 - again this year. I thank you for really trying to do what you can and make do with what you have. So 01:09:51.866 --> 01:09:55.902 - looking forward to good stuff in 2027 for sure. 01:09:56.034 --> 01:10:06.501 - And as a possibility of sounding like the boy who cried wolf, we are going to get new codes. I'm very 01:10:06.501 --> 01:10:17.174 - excited about it. They have crossed some hurdles and I think are well on the way, badly needed updates. 01:10:17.174 --> 01:10:23.742 - And I'm very much looking forward to them being implemented and 01:10:24.098 --> 01:10:30.722 - of getting to utilize new codes for the folks in Monroe County. Thank you. All right. Oh, one more. 01:10:30.722 --> 01:10:37.677 - Okay. Council Hall. Just as a reminder, you know that not everybody understands the building department. 01:10:37.677 --> 01:10:44.765 - Sometimes they think it's the building department that does county buildings. But this building department 01:10:44.765 --> 01:10:51.389 - is the one that provides services to the public. So if someone is building something, whatever they 01:10:51.389 --> 01:10:53.310 - need to have an approval on, 01:10:53.506 --> 01:10:59.557 - This building department has to go out and physically visit these places several times, not just once. 01:10:59.557 --> 01:11:05.783 - And then you've got contractors sitting there ready to pour the footers. You've got to have people there, 01:11:05.783 --> 01:11:11.775 - and they're getting ready to put on the drywall. But you've got to have people there to check out the 01:11:11.775 --> 01:11:17.650 - electrical first. And then you get the drywall in, and you have to do every one of these steps. And 01:11:17.650 --> 01:11:22.878 - these people have to touch hands-on and see all that, unless something has happened that 01:11:23.234 --> 01:11:30.926 - It's different now, but that's the way it was for years when I was in construction. Is it still that 01:11:30.926 --> 01:11:38.847 - way? It is still that way. We visit single-family homes five to six times during construction, and some 01:11:38.847 --> 01:11:46.692 - of the large buildings that you see being constructed now, we might visit several hundred times during 01:11:46.692 --> 01:11:49.662 - the construction phase. As a reminder, 01:11:49.954 --> 01:11:57.008 - every time you keep that contractor waiting or that they can't go ahead for the footers, whatever, that 01:11:57.008 --> 01:12:03.858 - cha-ching, cha-ching, the cost of that house goes up and up. And who pays for it? The people that we 01:12:03.858 --> 01:12:10.844 - say we want to help them get into housing. So this department is a big part of making sure that we can 01:12:10.844 --> 01:12:17.220 - provide housing and that we're working with the people that are working here to provide that. 01:12:17.220 --> 01:12:19.390 - So thank you. We appreciate it. 01:12:19.586 --> 01:12:28.952 - Thank you. Without further ado, may we please have a roll call roll. Councilor Feidl? Yes. Councilor 01:12:28.952 --> 01:12:38.411 - Hawk? Yes. Councilor Wilts? Yes. Councilor Henry? Yes. Councilor Decker? Yes. Councilor Crosley? Yes. 01:12:38.411 --> 01:12:43.326 - Councilor Iverson? Yes. Motion passes unanimous 7-0. 01:12:44.354 --> 01:12:51.693 - Thank you all. I hope the rest of the evening goes as smoothly. I sure appreciate you. Yeah, of course. 01:12:51.693 --> 01:12:58.961 - Thank you. All right. Next up is item number 10 from emergency management. Council, I move to open for 01:12:58.961 --> 01:13:04.254 - discussion and review funds 1000-0361 County General Emergency Management. 01:13:04.706 --> 01:13:12.549 - Fund 1152-0000. Emergency planning slash right to know. And finally, fund 4103-0000. Donations, emergency 01:13:12.549 --> 01:13:20.023 - management. Second. All right, we got a motion and a second. And welcome. One of my favorite budgets 01:13:20.023 --> 01:13:27.422 - that I'm starting to learn to love a little bit more, because there's so much that you do. So can't 01:13:27.422 --> 01:13:34.526 - wait to hear from you. We don't have favorites. You're not supposed to have favorites. It's OK. 01:13:34.722 --> 01:13:41.781 - I just can't wait to hear what you have to say. Well, I wish it was more exciting, but probably not 01:13:41.781 --> 01:13:49.052 - so much tonight because the first one out of the general fund is the exact same budget minus personnel 01:13:49.052 --> 01:13:56.958 - costs that you approved last year. So I'm not asking for any increases and no decreases. So not super exciting. 01:14:02.722 --> 01:14:13.026 - you want to go ahead and hit everything? Oh, sure. Go for it. Yeah. So the 11 52 right to know, of course, 01:14:13.026 --> 01:14:22.945 - just as a reminder that is no taxpayer money. That is Sarah Tier two. Fee funded that goes to fund our 01:14:22.945 --> 01:14:32.286 - local emergency planning committee equipment for our first responders are training for our first 01:14:32.514 --> 01:14:41.409 - Nothing super exciting there. It's also cumulative. So what we don't use rolls over. And then the donations 01:14:41.409 --> 01:14:48.574 - was a surprise to me, new to us this year. So that is the entire amount all out there. 01:14:55.426 --> 01:15:01.836 - Any questions? Yes, Councilor Henry. Thank you Madam President. Thank you Jamie for being in and having 01:15:01.836 --> 01:15:07.876 - worked with you for years now on a variety of these things. Always emphasize the importance of A, 01:15:07.876 --> 01:15:14.594 - your budget, but B, this is a place where I always feel like we can add more. This has been a very difficult 01:15:14.594 --> 01:15:18.046 - year I think with some of the hazards in the community. 01:15:18.850 --> 01:15:24.538 - I guess I wanted to drill into maybe for the budget purposes, the EPRA, the Emergency Planning Right 01:15:24.538 --> 01:15:30.564 - to Know through the LEPC. Can you maybe walk us through what the exercise was this year and what's planned 01:15:30.564 --> 01:15:36.421 - for next year with that resource? Or if we started planning ahead for next year, what we're buying with 01:15:36.421 --> 01:15:42.109 - that? So with this year, we haven't actually completed the exercise quite yet. So we were planning a 01:15:42.109 --> 01:15:47.966 - functional exercise for September 24th. Of course, we always have to pick either an extremely dangerous 01:15:48.098 --> 01:15:54.921 - extremely hazardous chemical or this year we actually got a waiver to use a hazardous but not extremely 01:15:54.921 --> 01:16:01.875 - hazardous chemical that is at print pack so that is going to be our place of disaster for this go around. 01:16:01.875 --> 01:16:07.582 - For those who don't speak the language, can you tell folks about functional exercises? 01:16:07.906 --> 01:16:15.652 - Sure, so with the tabletop exercise that is purely discussion-based where you have all of your stakeholders 01:16:15.652 --> 01:16:22.896 - and your players in the same room and it is kind of instructor or facilitator led. For this one, the 01:16:22.896 --> 01:16:30.212 - scenario is given and you break off into your individual tables or groups and you are actually making 01:16:30.212 --> 01:16:31.646 - the phone calls and 01:16:31.778 --> 01:16:38.992 - doing everything except for the actual hands-on portion. The hands-on portion is more of a what we call 01:16:38.992 --> 01:16:46.276 - a drill or a full-scale exercise. A full-scale exercise would be everybody going to print pack, dragging 01:16:46.276 --> 01:16:53.491 - off the hoses, spraying the water, dragging the people around, and EMS doing triage. So we are one step 01:16:53.491 --> 01:16:54.878 - below a full-scale. 01:16:54.978 --> 01:17:01.040 - we're kind of building to a full-scale exercise. I appreciate that walkthrough, only to say that when 01:17:01.040 --> 01:17:07.221 - we get to that level of exercise, there are golden opportunities for leadership to participate in those 01:17:07.221 --> 01:17:13.342 - things because electeds have roles in that space. Is there some hope that you'll have the role playing 01:17:13.342 --> 01:17:17.086 - by departments that have a role, for example, as I think about 01:17:17.250 --> 01:17:23.242 - in the emergency management world, like our auditor's office has a very small role for how we get reimbursed 01:17:23.242 --> 01:17:28.574 - from FEMA or the leadership. Is there an opportunity for us to experience or see that firsthand? 01:17:28.674 --> 01:17:34.809 - I think it's going to be great. Absolutely We'd love to have anybody and everybody come and play. So 01:17:34.809 --> 01:17:41.004 - if you are interested, I will be sending the email and feel free to jump on board. We've been working 01:17:41.004 --> 01:17:47.564 - quite a bit with the auditor's office here lately. I think they've been getting a crash course in emergency 01:17:47.564 --> 01:17:53.759 - management things, whether they wanted to or not. Of course, they've been completely wonderful and on 01:17:53.759 --> 01:17:57.950 - board the whole time. But. Yeah, it's been a learning experience for 01:17:58.434 --> 01:18:05.171 - Thank you. I appreciate it, Madam President. Thank you, Councilor Iverson. So for many of the residents 01:18:05.171 --> 01:18:12.167 - of this community who are never going to go to tabletop exercise, what they are worried about are tornadoes 01:18:12.167 --> 01:18:18.709 - and derechoes, flooding, high heat days. So can you talk a little bit about how this budget or these 01:18:18.709 --> 01:18:24.798 - three budgets can help to keep our families safe? Sure. So like with the LEPC budget, that is 01:18:24.962 --> 01:18:31.992 - very much planning driven. And of course, that is a heavy chemical basis, but we do all hazards planning 01:18:31.992 --> 01:18:38.956 - in everything we do. So while it may be chemical focused, we're still taking those pieces of that. When 01:18:38.956 --> 01:18:45.718 - somebody loses their house, it doesn't matter whether they lose it to a flood, to a tornado, or to a 01:18:45.718 --> 01:18:48.798 - chemical disaster, we still operate the same. 01:18:49.026 --> 01:18:55.083 - still want to get you into short-term housing. We still want the red cross to show up. We're still going 01:18:55.083 --> 01:19:00.967 - to do those things. We're still going to do the procedure for evacuation doesn't change based on what 01:19:00.967 --> 01:19:06.794 - it is. You know we still evacuate the same. Thank you and could you touch a little bit on sirens and 01:19:06.794 --> 01:19:12.909 - how that work is going? I know you've come to council a couple times to talk about that. Yeah so actually 01:19:12.909 --> 01:19:15.678 - this is something I'm kind of excited about. So 01:19:16.450 --> 01:19:26.808 - I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Obviously we've talked through the general obligation bond and replacing you know, 01:19:26.808 --> 01:19:36.574 - as we go, we're halfway there like Bon Jovi said. So I'm sorry. Let me find that. But yeah, we are 01:19:36.866 --> 01:19:46.112 - replaced and needs replaced. So I've tried to work through the ones that were inoperable first, obviously. 01:19:46.112 --> 01:19:54.752 - And then the next hierarchy is the oldest ones, replacing those next. So I think the next glob that 01:19:54.752 --> 01:20:03.393 - we're working on are the ones that are not operating 100% reliably. So we get to a point where it's 01:20:03.393 --> 01:20:04.862 - very frustrating 01:20:05.026 --> 01:20:24.616 - you know, you have to understand the technology is 25 years old. Okay fine. But you know, I still don't 01:20:24.616 --> 01:20:31.774 - like it. So but when we replace them, 01:20:32.450 --> 01:20:40.418 - that takes that guesswork away, because with newer technology, it's easier to get in there and fix what's 01:20:40.418 --> 01:20:48.009 - wrong. Oh, great. Yeah. Yes. Yes. But yeah, we're halfway there. And we'll be just tipping over that 01:20:48.009 --> 01:20:55.526 - halfway point with this next general obligation bond. Fantastic. Yeah. Thank you. Anybody else have 01:20:55.526 --> 01:20:59.134 - any other questions or comments on this budget? 01:21:01.026 --> 01:21:13.284 - I'm not seeing none. You knocked it out the park, even with your trombo V. Um, lyric there. John Bondro. 01:21:13.284 --> 01:21:25.426 - Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. All right. Without further ado, maybe please have a roll call vote. Counselor Hawk. 01:21:25.426 --> 01:21:27.294 - Counselor will. 01:21:31.330 --> 01:21:49.892 - Thank you very much. Um. I want to do a quick thing here where we have just three more budget hearings, 01:21:49.892 --> 01:21:52.926 - but I do need to 01:21:53.122 --> 01:22:00.814 - So I'm going to ask for council members to literally be back on this dais at 6 35. Can you help us be 01:22:00.814 --> 01:22:08.506 - on time? So let's just go and let's literally literally welcome back. Now that we have had our break, 01:22:08.506 --> 01:22:16.047 - we will go on to the second portion of our budget presentation hearings and we will start with none 01:22:16.047 --> 01:22:18.686 - other than the highway department. 01:22:18.786 --> 01:22:25.823 - Get ready, this is a lot of funds. Council, I move to open for discussion and review funds 1197-0000 01:22:25.823 --> 01:22:30.142 - Storm Water Management Fund 1000-0530 County General Highway. 01:22:30.210 --> 01:22:40.385 - Fund 1135-0000 Cume Bridge. Fund 1169-0000 Local Road and Streets. Fund 1171-0000 County Major Bridge. 01:22:40.385 --> 01:22:50.462 - Fund 1173-0000 Motor Vehicle Highway Restricted. Fund 1176-0000 Motor Vehicle Highway. Fund 4920-0000 01:22:50.462 --> 01:22:59.550 - Westside Economic Development TIFF. Fund 4921-0000 46th Corridor Economic Development TIFF. 01:22:59.650 --> 01:23:08.412 - Fund 4922-0000 Fullerton Pike Economic Development Tiff. Fund 4934-0000 Curry Profile Tiff. Excuse me. 01:23:08.412 --> 01:23:16.918 - And finally, Fund 1242-0000 Lane Mile Direct Distribution. Second. All right. We got a motion and a 01:23:16.918 --> 01:23:25.764 - second. We are joined by Ms. Lisa Ridge, Highway Director, and the Assistant Highway Director, Mr. Toby 01:23:25.764 --> 01:23:27.806 - Turner. Welcome, y'all. 01:23:28.482 --> 01:23:36.844 - Good evening, Councilor. Good evening. Go right into it. One stormwater. We stayed within the 2% cola 01:23:36.844 --> 01:23:45.369 - as requested. We lowered some lines. I don't know if you want me to cope up line by line. I don't think 01:23:45.369 --> 01:23:52.829 - you want me to go by line. We do have a large probably expenditure in there and one of our 01:23:52.829 --> 01:23:57.502 - capital improvement projects, which would be Baby Creek. 01:23:58.914 --> 01:24:08.893 - And the biggest change that we would have in there is adding funds to try and start the construction 01:24:08.893 --> 01:24:19.266 - for that project. Oh, you want me to go to the next budget? Just keep going. Oh, okay. This is how we're 01:24:19.266 --> 01:24:28.158 - getting through. All right. County General, we did have our million dollar by two minutes 01:24:28.418 --> 01:24:34.467 - grant match but we leave it as bituminous because if there's ever a situation we don't get the grant 01:24:34.467 --> 01:24:40.577 - we would still like to be able to use the money for the public for paving. So it is into a bituminous 01:24:40.577 --> 01:24:46.686 - line or we call it a contractual line because we usually contract it out. So we took it back from the 01:24:46.686 --> 01:24:51.358 - edit and put it back into county general where it had come from. That's where 01:24:51.458 --> 01:25:00.059 - The instruction from President Crossley had instructed us to do so. The 25,000 is for the fuel station 01:25:00.059 --> 01:25:08.493 - at the county garage that's used by the countywide fleet. So that's maybe your permits, inspections, 01:25:08.493 --> 01:25:17.011 - and things on the fuel station out there. Moving on to Cume Bridge. That one, we stayed within the 2% 01:25:17.011 --> 01:25:19.934 - of the COLA for all the employees. 01:25:20.290 --> 01:25:31.344 - We increased our bridge maintenance by 150,000, just because projects increase and materials increase. 01:25:31.344 --> 01:25:42.827 - That road bridge, we increased it by up to 75,000, so we increased it by 25. That project is now a federal 01:25:42.827 --> 01:25:44.222 - aid project. 01:25:44.322 --> 01:25:51.960 - construction in 2031 so we have to do the necessary steps for maybe NIFA environmental study right away 01:25:51.960 --> 01:25:59.304 - certificate to show that we've already secured right of way so we have to take the steps to keep it 01:25:59.304 --> 01:26:03.710 - a federal aid project so the construction would be at 8020. 01:26:09.698 --> 01:26:19.259 - We increased our small structure inventory line by 150,000. That is on a five-year cycle. We used to 01:26:19.259 --> 01:26:28.726 - budget it every year, but we just do it all in one year now. In 2027 will be our time for our small 01:26:28.726 --> 01:26:32.702 - structure inspections to be re-inspected. 01:26:33.698 --> 01:26:42.058 - A Bernal Pike Bridge, we did that as a new line. We have some approaches that need to be fixed on this 01:26:42.058 --> 01:26:50.256 - bridge. This bridge is just west of Curry Pike. We've received some complaints and we got quotes for 01:26:50.256 --> 01:26:56.830 - it. So we put it into our 2027 for that bridge. We have no capital expenditures. 01:26:59.394 --> 01:27:06.888 - Oh, and Eagleton, that's just kind of a placeholder for that bridge. It is actually a grant project, 01:27:06.888 --> 01:27:14.456 - but we keep a fund in the other funds or accounts, funds, I guess. We keep it to where if we have any 01:27:14.456 --> 01:27:21.282 - outside expenses that's not part of the grant, we have that line. If there's a change order 01:27:21.282 --> 01:27:28.702 - that's non-participating that we don't foresee, we keep the line so we can pay that. If it doesn't. 01:27:28.834 --> 01:27:41.440 - to qualify for a reimbursement. Local Rotten Street. I believe we moved. Yeah, OK, so the fuel was in 01:27:41.440 --> 01:27:54.170 - the edit and we moved that back to local Rotten Street where it was an original fund. That is the line 01:27:54.170 --> 01:27:57.630 - that is used for countywide 01:27:58.114 --> 01:28:07.929 - So we buy the gasoline, we fill the pumps, then we build the departments monthly for what gasoline that 01:28:07.929 --> 01:28:17.554 - they use. So it's kind of a placeholder revolving account. So we moved that back. We put 300,000 back 01:28:17.554 --> 01:28:26.142 - into there to help with the paving. We increased our supply maintenance fleet just because 01:28:26.402 --> 01:28:39.478 - we've been able to increase our rising costs and maintaining all of our equipment. We created a new 01:28:39.478 --> 01:28:53.470 - line for Fairfax high friction. That is also and it's a H sub project. Highway safety improvement program. 01:28:54.242 --> 01:29:01.295 - that is 90% paid for those funds for construction. And this should be our portion at this time. I don't 01:29:01.295 --> 01:29:08.280 - believe there's funds for construction inspection, but I have reached out to NDOT to see if they would 01:29:08.280 --> 01:29:15.062 - cover that. We estimate that actually the contract to be around $52,400 that I just received today. 01:29:15.062 --> 01:29:18.046 - So I'm trying to get that covered with some 01:29:18.210 --> 01:29:27.053 - federal funds not sure if I can but we had no we already knew that we would have to cover that locally 01:29:27.053 --> 01:29:36.412 - so that's the creation of that new line. We increased again service maintenance for our fleet for equipment. 01:29:36.412 --> 01:29:45.427 - Infrastructure line looks like stayed at 90. And we have no capital expenditures and that budget either. 01:29:45.427 --> 01:29:47.230 - County major bridge. 01:29:48.322 --> 01:29:54.557 - We have our interest in debt and principal and our Fullerton Pike payment that we will have for our 01:29:54.557 --> 01:30:00.791 - bond. You do see that I did appropriate $7 million for the Mount Tabor Road Bridge. We're finishing 01:30:00.791 --> 01:30:07.026 - up right away on that. It's already designed. We're just trying to decide the best time for that to 01:30:07.026 --> 01:30:13.822 - go to letting it's all locally funded through the major bridge. So it just depends on if we want to wait and 01:30:14.338 --> 01:30:20.977 - construction season of twenty twenty eight or try and get it to bid maybe this spring sometimes you 01:30:20.977 --> 01:30:27.881 - don't get as good a bit so. We're going to we're going to be shovel ready for when we want to construct 01:30:27.881 --> 01:30:34.586 - and rebuild that bridge. Did you do and Dillman road bridge we increase that by two hundred thousand 01:30:34.586 --> 01:30:41.822 - because that goes to letting- in the fall of twenty twenty seven so we would need to be- ready to move funds 01:30:44.386 --> 01:30:53.004 - motor vehicle highway restricted 1173. A portion of that is split from our 1176 so half of our mbh funds 01:30:53.004 --> 01:31:01.621 - go into here so a portion of our personnel is paid out of there for only the activities that are allowed 01:31:01.621 --> 01:31:09.828 - through that restricted fund. I think the two percent portion of that would have come out of there. 01:31:09.828 --> 01:31:14.014 - We have our by two minutes line our traffic signal 01:31:15.362 --> 01:31:22.634 - maintenance line moved to a new category, since that's a service, contractual services, what we use 01:31:22.634 --> 01:31:30.415 - for paving, sidewalk maintenance, we never have enough for sidewalk maintenance, let me tell you. 150,000, 01:31:30.415 --> 01:31:37.759 - we do do 150,000 in there, we're actually responsible to at least spend 100,000 according to our ADA 01:31:37.759 --> 01:31:44.958 - plan, and we do that yearly, so we budget a little bit more than that because usually we have some 01:31:45.090 --> 01:31:53.870 - items that pop up that are outside of what we plan to do. And then our pavement striping, we combined 01:31:53.870 --> 01:32:02.563 - two lines in there. And our thermo infrastructure that's also used for paving. And that one, there's 01:32:02.563 --> 01:32:10.654 - no capital expenditures in that one. 1176. Again, we stayed within the 2% for every employee. 01:32:20.898 --> 01:32:30.565 - I don't think we have any major changes in this budget that is coming to mind. Of course, insurance 01:32:30.565 --> 01:32:40.618 - goes up. We increased the cost of our non-health insurance due to have to do an appropriation this past 01:32:40.618 --> 01:32:48.158 - year for that. And we have no capital expenditures out of that budget either. 01:32:51.682 --> 01:33:00.390 - The only thing that we had increased in there was our career Pike phase two. Project that will be from 01:33:00.390 --> 01:33:09.604 - state road 48 basically CBS to vernal Pike that's our next section that we will be reconstructing improving. 01:33:09.604 --> 01:33:18.143 - Doing some sidewalk maintenance curb and gutter milling the road and repaving it. So we are actually 01:33:18.143 --> 01:33:20.510 - hope to get that out to bid 01:33:21.058 --> 01:33:29.261 - hopefully this fall. That would be the only thing that changed there. We still have the stem payment 01:33:29.261 --> 01:33:37.708 - in there, and then we still have our disbursement for the fire truck for the town of Bellisville. State 01:33:37.708 --> 01:33:45.992 - Road 46 corridor. There's no changes in that budget. Just basically the disbursement and then our tip 01:33:45.992 --> 01:33:50.622 - annual reviews. Fullerton Pike 4922. Bond payment there. 01:33:51.522 --> 01:33:59.229 - TIF annual review, and then we usually put some funds into engineering construction just for upkeep 01:33:59.229 --> 01:34:06.396 - in that TIF area for expenses that are able to be used out of that fund. And 4934 Curry Pike 01:34:06.396 --> 01:34:14.335 - TIF, disbursement to the bank, TIF annual review is the only expenses there. And 1242 Lane Mile direct 01:34:14.335 --> 01:34:21.502 - distribution, that is something new. It's tied to the CCMG, so we treat it as if we keep our 01:34:22.242 --> 01:34:28.961 - million dollar funds in the county general or wherever it would be allocated we consider matching that 01:34:28.961 --> 01:34:35.549 - four hundred and twelve thousand two because. The month of September so we received the four hundred 01:34:35.549 --> 01:34:42.398 - and twelve nine hundred thirty two thousand from the state in June now in September they opened up their 01:34:42.398 --> 01:34:49.378 - call for CCMG were only allowed to apply for that five hundred and eighty seven thousand dollar difference 01:34:49.378 --> 01:34:50.878 - to cap at the million. 01:34:51.234 --> 01:35:02.257 - we will still be required to match that 587. So we feel that we should that million also the other part 01:35:02.257 --> 01:35:13.068 - of that would be matching this 412 for the lane distribution. I hope that makes sense. I think that's 01:35:13.068 --> 01:35:18.686 - the last one. Okay, perfect. Thank you very much for 01:35:19.042 --> 01:35:26.654 - I know there's questions, because I already see hands. So I'll go Councilor Hawke and Iverson next. 01:35:26.654 --> 01:35:34.646 - Yep. First of all, I want to call attention to, hopefully, that there'll be money coming from the state. 01:35:34.646 --> 01:35:42.486 - Actually, I mean, they keep taking away some of the, you know, the governor keeps changing around, but 01:35:42.486 --> 01:35:47.966 - he continues to say that the counties are not going to be hurt by this. 01:35:49.026 --> 01:35:56.468 - I wonder if that means our regular distribution or if it might not also affect community crossing. Could 01:35:56.468 --> 01:36:03.768 - I just tell you the two things I have a concern from? So I want to make sure that we have them covered 01:36:03.768 --> 01:36:11.352 - for that. We cannot turn our back on matching for community crossings. I mean, it would just be ridiculous 01:36:11.352 --> 01:36:19.006 - to do that. And we cannot just take it out of the highway department. If you do, then there's no money left 01:36:19.394 --> 01:36:25.978 - to speak up for patching and paving, and you guys can take the phone calls when they all call because 01:36:25.978 --> 01:36:32.628 - they got bottles. So that's something I think we have to address. The other thing is I just have never 01:36:32.628 --> 01:36:39.277 - understood why the highway department should be responsible for gas for all the other departments. And 01:36:39.277 --> 01:36:45.990 - so when I was hearing you say, well, it was put in the edit, and then you kept track of what they used, 01:36:45.990 --> 01:36:48.766 - and then you could pull it out of the edit 01:36:49.474 --> 01:36:59.012 - to pay for the gas. So what if they're using more than that? I mean, I just want to make sure at the 01:36:59.012 --> 01:37:08.549 - end of the day, the highway department is made whole. You cannot be responsible for every department 01:37:08.549 --> 01:37:14.782 - that is using gas. And that, you know, those are my two concerns. 01:37:17.442 --> 01:37:24.747 - and tell me I shouldn't be worried about something else. We're actually made whole. We have an employee 01:37:24.747 --> 01:37:32.053 - that pulls all that information out of our gas pumps and he bills each department every month. And then 01:37:32.053 --> 01:37:39.358 - we get checks from each department and that fund, it's really, for me, it's a fund that it's money that 01:37:39.358 --> 01:37:45.118 - just sits there that we can't use because it has to be there, but it's money that 01:37:46.306 --> 01:37:53.638 - We get it back at the end of the year, but we weren't able to use it for highway stuff. OK, so you're 01:37:53.638 --> 01:38:00.970 - saying if you leave it in your budget, it's OK by you because you're going to get it back anyway? No, 01:38:00.970 --> 01:38:08.518 - I would just soon have it somewhere else because then we could use that money instead of it just sitting 01:38:08.518 --> 01:38:13.406 - there rotating around. Right. I mean, if you're budgeted to use it, 01:38:13.794 --> 01:38:21.334 - and then you're they're looking at your budget and it looks like it's there for you've already allocated 01:38:21.334 --> 01:38:28.658 - that money someplace else so it seemed to me that if you put it in at it in some fashion you would be 01:38:28.658 --> 01:38:35.910 - better off than having to budget it in your fund. And that's what we did uh I think last year was we 01:38:35.910 --> 01:38:42.014 - had it in 2026 uh we're currently doing and and and we still did the billing and and 01:38:42.146 --> 01:38:49.216 - worked on the pumps and kept the pumps running and maintain the pumps and take the phone calls for whatever 01:38:49.216 --> 01:38:55.827 - happens out there. The fund, when we paid the bills, it just came out of a different fund instead of 01:38:55.827 --> 01:39:02.373 - a highway fund. Do I understand you correctly? If we have to budget it in your fund, then the total 01:39:02.373 --> 01:39:08.984 - of the budget is going to look like you've already allocated that much and there's going to be less. 01:39:08.984 --> 01:39:10.686 - Yeah, that's 380,000 that 01:39:10.850 --> 01:39:19.015 - that I think it's 380 that that we just have to leave there now. The gas that we use in the field we 01:39:19.015 --> 01:39:27.423 - use it'll come out, but there might be a 100 180,000 there that just has to stay there to rotate around 01:39:27.423 --> 01:39:36.235 - because we gotta pay get paid back goes into the phone. We pay get paid back. Is that and then the community 01:39:36.235 --> 01:39:39.550 - crossing match dollars? Where do you see 01:39:39.906 --> 01:39:45.938 - right now you don't have that over an edit that's where it was last year or for this year 2026 right. 01:39:45.938 --> 01:39:52.148 - Correct we moved it back to county general um per the president's letter to move it back to the original 01:39:52.148 --> 01:39:58.062 - I think we started out a couple maybe three or four years ago it was in rainy day and FSG suggested 01:39:58.062 --> 01:40:04.035 - that we do not do that then it went to county general and then for 2026 it was moved to the edit and 01:40:04.035 --> 01:40:08.766 - then we moved it back to county general because that was where it had come back 01:40:08.898 --> 01:40:18.150 - or was from in 2025. How much did was that a million or what? It was a million. Before that, two years 01:40:18.150 --> 01:40:27.132 - before that, it was actually a 1.5 million because community crossings had raised its limit to 1.5. 01:40:27.132 --> 01:40:36.384 - What is it now? What's the limit now? It's 1 million. If we leave the 1 million in county general, are 01:40:36.384 --> 01:40:38.270 - we moving to add it? 01:40:38.370 --> 01:40:45.327 - it's one of those two places. You cannot leave it in the highway. If you do that, then you have nothing 01:40:45.327 --> 01:40:52.084 - left for patching a paving. Am I understanding correctly? That's correct. If we don't have that, any 01:40:52.084 --> 01:40:58.841 - funds that we have would go towards the match, and you're looking at maybe paving 12 miles. And then 01:40:58.841 --> 01:41:04.862 - we have nothing left to add to it. We stretch our dollars the best we can. We're actually 01:41:05.090 --> 01:41:11.553 - We're working right now to try and throw three more roads out there. The area that got hit with tornadoes, 01:41:11.553 --> 01:41:17.593 - Liberty Hollow, Brown, Bowman, we see them as a really dire need right now. So we're trying to move 01:41:17.593 --> 01:41:24.055 - all of our funds right now to get some quotes out to try and get those roads paved this year with whatever 01:41:24.055 --> 01:41:30.216 - money we have left. And any money you guys have provided to the highway, we have committed to paving, 01:41:30.216 --> 01:41:34.142 - and that is every dollar that has been spent that you have given 01:41:34.370 --> 01:41:41.424 - some of the ARPA funds, any of the community crossing, every dime has gone to paving. Every extra money 01:41:41.424 --> 01:41:48.478 - that we have goes to paving. And they like it. There's been some they thought was promises. It was just 01:41:48.478 --> 01:41:55.397 - that you had it on your list to be able to do it this year. And every year it's going, we're going to 01:41:55.397 --> 01:42:02.180 - do it this year. And still we can't. And people are not happy if they don't get theirs paved. So we 01:42:02.180 --> 01:42:04.350 - don't promise anybody anything. 01:42:04.738 --> 01:42:12.373 - I don't. I get phone calls every day. And we do. We take the request. I think we probably have 85 requests 01:42:12.373 --> 01:42:19.509 - right now for people that want the road resurfaced. We keep that request. I don't care if it's five 01:42:19.509 --> 01:42:26.859 - years old. We have it. We look at these roads. We're required to inspect them all the time. The winter 01:42:26.859 --> 01:42:34.494 - months can change our list. We're already working on our 2027 list. It's just a, will we ever be caught up 01:42:34.914 --> 01:42:42.176 - with 700 miles, probably not. We paved one road in a section of the county, the next day I was called 01:42:42.176 --> 01:42:49.295 - and cussed out for not paving their road. It was worse than that road, but everybody feels like the 01:42:49.295 --> 01:42:56.628 - road is the worst road. I have sympathy for it, but we don't have the money to do... We do more paving 01:42:56.628 --> 01:43:02.110 - than we ever have, and I think it has made a huge difference in our program. 01:43:02.754 --> 01:43:09.495 - there's no county that it will ever be enough. I used the wrong terminology. I did not mean to say you 01:43:09.495 --> 01:43:16.498 - promised nobody promises because there's no promises. Well, we still hear that sometimes like you promised 01:43:16.498 --> 01:43:23.239 - me I'm on the list and you are. It can be part of the plan, but the plan changes depending on the plan 01:43:23.239 --> 01:43:28.606 - can change the roads and so I get it. Yeah, tornadoes. On the million dollars and 01:43:28.866 --> 01:43:35.308 - and we come and ask for that. And we can try to ask for that because we kind of have an idea that we 01:43:35.308 --> 01:43:41.750 - can match this. Hey, we need this money because we're going to get this money. We could use three or 01:43:41.750 --> 01:43:48.192 - $4 million. I mean, whatever you guys can come up with, I'll put it on the roads. I mean, we can use 01:43:48.192 --> 01:43:54.826 - more money. I'm going to go to Councilor Decker because I see his hand is raised via Zoom and then I'll 01:43:54.826 --> 01:43:58.334 - come back to Councilor Iverson next. I would just say, 01:43:58.690 --> 01:44:06.716 - First of all, we've had a lot of success with Lisa and getting those matching dollars and I think While 01:44:06.716 --> 01:44:14.510 - they're still matching dollars. We need to chase that the easiest way possible because a fundamental 01:44:14.510 --> 01:44:22.844 - duty of what we have is To do particularly with the way the county is situated is to think about maximizing 01:44:22.844 --> 01:44:24.542 - paving and maximizing 01:44:24.674 --> 01:44:31.969 - how we can afford to do that in every single way that is available to us while we have those thoughts. 01:44:31.969 --> 01:44:39.122 - So I would be supportive if this is what Lisa thinks would be best of moving that million to edit or 01:44:39.122 --> 01:44:46.205 - having a million in that and pursuing that so that we can get the matching dollars and not penalize 01:44:46.205 --> 01:44:53.854 - highway. But again, I don't want to I want whatever works best for getting it done because we all get those 01:44:54.690 --> 01:45:02.786 - and I'm glad that people know where to reach out to talk about that in Highway. Thank you. Council Iverson 01:45:02.786 --> 01:45:10.579 - and then I'll go to Councilor Woods. I want to bring it back to the budgets for just a second, because 01:45:10.579 --> 01:45:18.751 - I think this can be super confusing for people watching. And in particular, I want to talk about bituminous 01:45:18.751 --> 01:45:23.518 - lines. I think I'm correct. They're in four different budgets. 01:45:25.666 --> 01:45:33.642 - Well for by 2 minutes or contractual we use 1173. Mainly because that's an activity that you can use 01:45:33.642 --> 01:45:42.171 - for road preservation. They have a little bit in 1176 and we also use 1169 right. And then the the holdover 01:45:42.171 --> 01:45:50.068 - dollar in 1242 which is 1242 is that distribution and but it does have to be used on your roads you 01:45:50.068 --> 01:45:52.990 - can break and that's it's earmarked. 01:45:53.218 --> 01:46:02.272 - And then what is the total of all of those funds that are in these budgets? Do you have that handy or 01:46:02.272 --> 01:46:11.148 - I've got it too? Gosh, I thought about doing that today. $4,786,685. So that's by two minutes and I 01:46:11.148 --> 01:46:13.278 - want to make sure we're 01:46:13.602 --> 01:46:21.313 - That's why I want to have this conversation is to try and demystify all this. So when it's the bituminous 01:46:21.313 --> 01:46:28.879 - line that is when we're hauling or we're doing in-house paving we have to use that as a supply. We also 01:46:28.879 --> 01:46:36.373 - use an infrastructure line that is in 1173 and 1169. 1169 has 200,000 in it and I think maybe 1173 has 01:46:36.373 --> 01:46:38.846 - 200,000 in it so that's also used 01:46:39.010 --> 01:46:47.170 - for contracting out for paving and then we also have contractual services and that's hiring out paving 01:46:47.170 --> 01:46:55.252 - and that's an 1173. Not much in 1176 and a little bit in 1169 but I think there's 951,000 in 1173 and 01:46:55.252 --> 01:47:03.333 - that's for that is we use it all for contractual for paving. Right so there's a lot of paving in here 01:47:03.333 --> 01:47:08.958 - there's a lot of there's a lot of paving but also that's crack sealing 01:47:09.826 --> 01:47:18.305 - That's pothole patching. That is everything. And then, of course, you see sidewalk in there, too. So 01:47:18.305 --> 01:47:26.785 - it's all kind of lumped together. And I want to jump on a quick bandwagon. I think Councilor Deckard 01:47:26.785 --> 01:47:35.264 - is absolutely right. If we have those funds available, we need to put up a match. I have two things. 01:47:35.264 --> 01:47:39.294 - One is going to go off down a little path here. 01:47:40.098 --> 01:47:46.981 - do you want to do street cleaning at all? Free sweeping? Yeah, sweeping, yeah. Because I know you used 01:47:46.981 --> 01:47:53.798 - to. We go around the subdivisions, and we try and get every subdivision at least once a year. We have 01:47:53.798 --> 01:48:00.480 - two sweepers, I believe, that stay busy. All right. And if one or two want that service, would they 01:48:00.480 --> 01:48:07.297 - just call or put it in the website? Yep. And that thing? All right. I was unable to answer a question 01:48:07.297 --> 01:48:09.502 - not too long ago, and now I can. 01:48:09.794 --> 01:48:16.605 - that's the time we get to go around and pick our sand back up. Yeah well and that might be part of what 01:48:16.605 --> 01:48:23.351 - the question was about because it was about where their neighborhood came out onto the larger road and 01:48:23.351 --> 01:48:30.096 - he's like there's a whole bunch of stuff. Anyway yeah so we go out and put the sand down then we sweep 01:48:30.096 --> 01:48:36.318 - it up and then we haul it off. Yeah it's actually a stormwater activity. The cycle of life. So 01:48:36.962 --> 01:48:47.274 - that. I'm also jumping on this other bandwagon, um, particularly for. That um, community crossings match 01:48:47.274 --> 01:48:57.291 - that one million. Um is would and I'm looking at the commissioner now, but would it be, um. Incivably 01:48:57.291 --> 01:49:05.246 - okay with you all. I know you're not like voting and discussing right now to put 01:49:05.666 --> 01:49:15.654 - that we have a point of interest to add to the edit for 27 and. Um so again, we haven't had those internal 01:49:15.654 --> 01:49:25.362 - discussions, so we will do that. And I think it sounds like the plan is to come back. In September this 01:49:25.362 --> 01:49:35.070 - month later this month, or is that just geo bond? I'm ready. Geo line. Okay So let us know when when we 01:49:35.554 --> 01:49:53.202 - that we need to. We need to map out what's happening. So essentially, though, we could do it and then 01:49:53.202 --> 01:50:02.718 - pending. Approval review of all things. So if somebody 01:50:03.202 --> 01:50:14.403 - move that we transfer that one million dollar line that to do to do it is line. It's one two six three 01:50:14.403 --> 01:50:26.366 - one two six zero. Sorry. It's so tiny in county general and move it to the edit. Can I just say that? Thanks. 01:50:29.538 --> 01:50:35.877 - We got a motion. All right. We got a motion and a second approval by the commissioners. All right. We 01:50:35.877 --> 01:50:42.651 - got a motion and a second to move that over to that $1 million over to edit pending approval. Yes. Counselor 01:50:42.651 --> 01:50:49.114 - Henry. Thank you. My question goes right to this. So I know I was next. I'll just go into talking about 01:50:49.114 --> 01:50:55.640 - the motion. So, um, I'm looking at the, the edit and gateway and in front of me here in our draft budget 01:50:55.640 --> 01:50:56.510 - and, um, our, 01:50:57.314 --> 01:51:05.268 - Is it the bituminous line we're talking about then 23400 that we would move it to? Or is it a different 01:51:05.268 --> 01:51:12.993 - line in edit? I'm asking the table because I'm also looking at the expenditures up to June 30, 26 on 01:51:12.993 --> 01:51:20.718 - the bituminous line and I'm seeing zero. So I'm trying to figure out, so did you use the bituminous? 01:51:20.718 --> 01:51:24.542 - Yeah, so for 2026, at the time it had to be split 01:51:24.642 --> 01:51:33.019 - Otherwise, it was over in the supplies line. So at the time, they took the million, they split it between 01:51:33.019 --> 01:51:41.080 - bituminous, and they split it between contract services. And then we took those two amounts, and then 01:51:41.080 --> 01:51:48.350 - we moved it into like a 91 something, where we pay all the community crossing stuff out of. 01:51:48.706 --> 01:51:54.820 - Yeah, because it's not clearing this, this is the way this budget presents right now that that adjusts 01:51:54.820 --> 01:52:00.875 - or the as of June 30 looks like nothing got spent, but it got moved is what I'm looking at is that it 01:52:00.875 --> 01:52:04.734 - was spent. Okay, great. So having said that, which is good news. 01:52:04.898 --> 01:52:10.063 - Add to the bandwagon here to say I do recall last year when we did make those adjustments to get our 01:52:10.063 --> 01:52:15.227 - four point something million gap closed and looking at it as a solution last year that this this was 01:52:15.227 --> 01:52:20.443 - one of the items that seemed to really align with what the spirit of economic development taxes ought 01:52:20.443 --> 01:52:25.812 - to be. So if we've collected that revenue from the county and we want to put it back to work as economic 01:52:25.812 --> 01:52:27.806 - development like roads are that right. 01:52:28.834 --> 01:52:34.493 - So I would be supportive of, I mean, I was the second to the motion, but to move that back, of course, 01:52:34.493 --> 01:52:40.097 - pending the discussion. And I would just add, I know we've said it a few times, we have to have this, 01:52:40.097 --> 01:52:45.701 - our budget adoption, right? So like we have to have the, the edit conversation very soon to get ahead 01:52:45.701 --> 01:52:51.525 - of budget adoption. So that's, that is September and probably before readings, I would assume I'm looking 01:52:51.525 --> 01:52:55.646 - at Michelle maybe. Budget adoption is October the 20th. You can still make 01:52:55.778 --> 01:53:03.924 - edits and stuff to the budgets at the public hearing. So once we have the public hearing, there's still 01:53:03.924 --> 01:53:12.305 - things that you can do. I'd like to offer. So it sounds like, you know, we can have that edit conversation 01:53:12.305 --> 01:53:20.842 - maybe at the same time with the geo bonds at our next regular session later on this month. Yep. Be September 01:53:20.842 --> 01:53:22.174 - 22nd. Thank you. 01:53:25.538 --> 01:53:34.270 - okay all right so we got a motion and a second is there any other further questions or comments on that 01:53:34.270 --> 01:53:42.918 - motion none may we please have a roll call vote counselor crossley yes counselor iverson yes counselor 01:53:42.918 --> 01:53:51.483 - fiddle yes counselor hawke counselor wilts yes counselor henry yes counselor dekker yes motion passes 01:53:51.483 --> 01:53:53.246 - unanimous seven zero 01:53:54.690 --> 01:54:01.532 - Thank you, Councillor Iverson. And then we need to make a motion. What line in 120530 are we moving 01:54:01.532 --> 01:54:08.511 - into? I would use the same account line, which is the Community Crossings Project. Is that acceptable 01:54:08.511 --> 01:54:15.490 - with you? The only issue I have with that is Community Crossings is going to become very competitive. 01:54:15.490 --> 01:54:21.374 - If we don't get the grant, we would still like to be able to use them because it will 01:54:21.794 --> 01:54:28.836 - If we don't get the grant, our paving is still going to go down. But it would still set it back, even 01:54:28.836 --> 01:54:35.808 - if you wanted to put it in contractual services or something. So what would you prefer, contractual? 01:54:35.808 --> 01:54:37.534 - So that would be 3,0006. 01:54:38.210 --> 01:54:46.376 - council I move to open fund one one one two dash zero five three zero lit economic development highway 01:54:46.376 --> 01:54:54.939 - administration and move one million dollars into account line three zero zero zero six contractual services 01:54:54.939 --> 01:55:03.502 - second all right we got a motion and a second on that item is there any other further questions or comments 01:55:03.502 --> 01:55:07.070 - on that item the procedural okay seeing none 01:55:07.234 --> 01:55:15.345 - May we please have a roll call vote. Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor Feidl? Yes. Councilor Hawk? Yes. 01:55:15.345 --> 01:55:23.534 - Councilor Wilts? Yes. Councilor Henry? Yes. Councilor Decker? Yes. Councilor Crosley? Yes. Motion passes 01:55:23.534 --> 01:55:31.801 - unanimous 7-0. Thank you. Yes, Councilor Iverson. All right. I'm going to bring it in a totally different 01:55:31.801 --> 01:55:35.934 - direction. I don't want to talk about paving at all. 01:55:36.034 --> 01:55:43.691 - I asked this for another department. The labor market is really hard right now. Can you talk about vacancies 01:55:43.691 --> 01:55:50.996 - and anything that you need to talk about in that area? Sure. So we actually in the 2027 budget, we just 01:55:50.996 --> 01:55:58.161 - left a dollar in a truck driver position just to keep the position there. We have no plans of filling 01:55:58.161 --> 01:56:03.710 - it. Also a maintenance labor position to help cut down on labor in the budget. 01:56:04.962 --> 01:56:12.009 - the only two positions that we have open right now is a highway engineer, which I will be coming to 01:56:12.009 --> 01:56:19.056 - you on Tuesday for the hiring phrase. We did have an engineer, it just didn't work out. And then we 01:56:19.056 --> 01:56:26.314 - have an employee that's retiring after 30 plus years, one of our financial managers. So I'll be coming 01:56:26.314 --> 01:56:33.502 - to you on Tuesday for that one. And other than that, we don't have any positions open, knock on wood. 01:56:33.826 --> 01:56:41.668 - It's always subject to change, but we have a really good, really good crew right now. Really productive. 01:56:41.668 --> 01:56:49.435 - They paved fish road in this hot weather this week. They did a great job. So I can't say enough of what 01:56:49.435 --> 01:56:57.202 - they do for the county. And I appreciate the proposal of the 2% for them, for the whole county. Because 01:56:57.202 --> 01:57:03.102 - everything goes up and it helps us retain our employees. So I appreciate that. 01:57:03.618 --> 01:57:09.467 - That's fantastic to have someone in your department working for all those decades here in county government. 01:57:09.467 --> 01:57:15.155 - That's really a testament to you. Thank you. We have a lot of longevity there that is for sure and that's 01:57:15.155 --> 01:57:20.628 - wonderful. I said I think I hate it because I think we'll probably you know a lot of us will be going 01:57:20.628 --> 01:57:25.994 - at the same time but yeah she she has been there for 30 plus years. Toby's been here 20 plus years. 01:57:25.994 --> 01:57:27.550 - How long have you been here? 01:57:28.066 --> 01:57:35.069 - since probably horse and buggy day. I'll have my 39 years next month. But it's been a great job and 01:57:35.069 --> 01:57:42.142 - I appreciate it. We have great staff. And again, we have a lot of longevity with our staff. But it's 01:57:42.142 --> 01:57:49.565 - also to the council and the commissioners for taking care of employees and the benefits that are provided 01:57:49.565 --> 01:57:55.518 - that has kept people here. So I think at least one commissioner was shaking her head 01:57:55.746 --> 01:58:03.727 - that you might be leaving, so. No vacationing all the time. I wish I was vacationing all the time. This 01:58:03.727 --> 01:58:11.477 - is my third, like, second 13 hour day this week, so. So we hope to make it short for you right about 01:58:11.477 --> 01:58:19.228 - now. So I'm looking around to make sure nobody has anything else for Ms. Ridge. And seeing none, may 01:58:19.228 --> 01:58:24.446 - we please have a roll call vote? Oh, I'm still there. Did you have? 01:58:24.962 --> 01:58:32.281 - Yeah, Peter you brought up earlier I believe was the the county fuel and I didn't know if maybe that 01:58:32.281 --> 01:58:39.818 - was something that you guys wanted to try to find a place for other than the highway budget. Local road 01:58:39.818 --> 01:58:45.470 - and street now. And make it clear that's what you want because you were like. 01:58:46.754 --> 01:58:55.029 - I mean we don't have budgets and we just moved it back and we can't speak for other budgets being willing 01:58:55.029 --> 01:59:02.914 - able to take that over either. We was instructed to that needed to go back to where it came from and 01:59:02.914 --> 01:59:05.022 - that's where it came from. 01:59:05.570 --> 01:59:10.521 - I think that was a revelation for me tonight about just how we charge each other for gas in the county. 01:59:10.521 --> 01:59:15.615 - And it strikes me that it's going to need a little work to figure out what is basically a fee for service. 01:59:15.615 --> 01:59:20.470 - And depending on what fund is writing you a check at this point, if we're just circulating it or it's 01:59:20.470 --> 01:59:25.231 - coming from somewhere else, it's going to need a little work. But it does strike me that, yeah, you 01:59:25.231 --> 01:59:30.086 - have to pay for the initial gas for the year. And then if it's self-sustaining, I mean, gosh, there's 01:59:30.086 --> 01:59:34.942 - a lot there. Not going to figure it out tonight, but I want to, I think, explore this over the month. 01:59:35.138 --> 01:59:41.023 - there's a different way to go at it because it'd be nice to free up that resource if you don't need 01:59:41.023 --> 01:59:47.085 - to sit in there. I would agree. I think we definitely need to make sure. I wrote that down in my notes 01:59:47.085 --> 01:59:53.205 - to figure out how we can rectify that and reconcile that situation. Councilor Iverson. I'll put a finer 01:59:53.205 --> 01:59:59.326 - note on that. We are really good at creating unintended consequences when we make decisions on the fly. 01:59:59.458 --> 02:00:07.482 - And I don't think you want any of that. So I second what my colleagues are saying. Let's take some time 02:00:07.482 --> 02:00:15.275 - and think about this. That's fine. Thank you for bringing that back up to us. Yeah, thank you. And I 02:00:15.275 --> 02:00:23.068 - just wanted to, so I have a note. Is that the gas oil lubricants line in 1169? Yes, the 380,000. OK, 02:00:23.068 --> 02:00:27.774 - yeah. All right, so now can we please have a roll call vote? 02:00:29.250 --> 02:00:37.882 - Councilor Feidl? Yes. Councilor Hawk? Yes. Councilor Wilts? Yes. Councilor Henry? Yes. Councilor Decker? 02:00:37.882 --> 02:00:46.185 - Yes. Councilor Crosley? Yes. And Councilor Iverson? Yes. Motion passes unanimous 7-0. Thank you very 02:00:46.185 --> 02:00:53.913 - much. Thank you. Of course. Appreciate it. Have a good night. Stay cool out there. All right. 02:00:53.913 --> 02:00:58.270 - Thank you. Yes, you're welcome. Good job. Thank you. 02:00:58.562 --> 02:01:06.703 - Next up is item 12 from our technical services department also known as TSD. Council I move to open 02:01:06.703 --> 02:01:14.844 - for discussion and review funds 1000-0106 county general TSD, fund 1170-0106 public safety lit TSD, 02:01:14.844 --> 02:01:23.066 - and finally fund 1215-0106 election fund TSD. Second. All right we got a motion and a second. Hello. 02:01:23.066 --> 02:01:26.078 - Good evening everyone. Good evening. 02:01:26.530 --> 02:01:32.848 - Everyone, Greg Nesmey, Greg Cron, IT director. Again, joining us here this evening is Wendy Goss, our 02:01:32.848 --> 02:01:39.105 - financial manager for the TSD office. So we did as asked, we kept our budget as flat as possible. We 02:01:39.105 --> 02:01:45.485 - actually made some reductions in some locations due to one of them being for an election not happening 02:01:45.485 --> 02:01:51.989 - in 27, that we don't have to worry about contractual services, but we also made cuts to some phone lines 02:01:51.989 --> 02:01:55.582 - that pay for sheriff's phone systems that we were able to 02:01:55.874 --> 02:02:03.037 - get better deals on through AT&T and we've reduced some things there. So we actually made a few reductions 02:02:03.037 --> 02:02:09.731 - to about $40,000 the last I checked. The only additional that we're asking for that we hadn't asked 02:02:09.731 --> 02:02:16.425 - for in previous years was line 24207 for supply maintenance, repair building and ground. That's for 02:02:16.425 --> 02:02:22.718 - items, electronic items, affixed to buildings that are not movable, such as security cameras, 02:02:22.850 --> 02:02:29.784 - Swipe badge entry readers, things like that. That is affixed to the building, cannot be moved to another. 02:02:29.784 --> 02:02:36.391 - So that was the distinction made between it and our regular computer supply repair maintenance line. 02:02:36.391 --> 02:02:43.455 - So with that, I welcome any questions you may have. I thank you very much. Sorry. Any questions or comments 02:02:43.455 --> 02:02:50.127 - on their budget? Thank you very much for doing all that you could to keep it flat and some reductions 02:02:50.127 --> 02:02:52.286 - there. I want to highlight that. 02:02:52.738 --> 02:03:00.056 - Um, anybody? Bueller? Councilor Iverson. One of the things that you all keep coming back to us about 02:03:00.056 --> 02:03:07.447 - and talking to us about are the incredible cost of licensing software and things like that. Where are 02:03:07.447 --> 02:03:15.272 - we at that with the lifespan of the licenses that we have? Are we looking at renewing any of these licenses 02:03:15.272 --> 02:03:18.750 - soon, particularly from a financial standpoint? 02:03:18.914 --> 02:03:24.966 - Our big ones like our Microsoft licensing or Adobe licensing. Those are annual. There's no way I can 02:03:24.966 --> 02:03:31.197 - do those on multi year any opportunity we get. We lock in three year agreements so that way we can lock 02:03:31.197 --> 02:03:37.429 - in the software prices. Some vendors if we extend past that they will actually reduce instead of giving 02:03:37.429 --> 02:03:43.840 - 10% annual increase will knock it down to 2 or 5%. So we do have renewals coming up every year. Microsoft, 02:03:43.840 --> 02:03:48.094 - like I said, one of our biggest ones that's over $200,000 that we owe. 02:03:48.258 --> 02:03:55.099 - for all the services, that's your office suite, your teams, everything that goes with that. So that 02:03:55.099 --> 02:04:01.940 - does come out of our software line, out of Comcap, which is a different deal there. But yes, we are 02:04:01.940 --> 02:04:08.918 - seeing increases across the board on those. Okay. Councilor Decker. I may have heard it wrong because 02:04:08.918 --> 02:04:15.006 - I am all the way around the world, which I hope is not making people at TSD nervous, but 02:04:15.138 --> 02:04:21.616 - My question is, you had mentioned about elections not having any expenditure. Is that because the city 02:04:21.616 --> 02:04:27.906 - pays for its election in 2027 or because our duties there are different? Well, for my part in that, 02:04:27.906 --> 02:04:34.196 - Councilor, what we're talking about is contractual services where I have to bring in contractors to 02:04:34.196 --> 02:04:40.486 - either do wiring, things like that. It's not for the general use of the election. It's for the back 02:04:40.486 --> 02:04:42.750 - end of that that makes that happen. 02:04:43.138 --> 02:04:50.714 - since they got their new space, we did have obviously had some contractual services we had to pay for 02:04:50.714 --> 02:04:58.291 - for this year to get the primary in this year's election in that new space, but we will not be having 02:04:58.291 --> 02:05:05.867 - those same costs next year. Thank you. Did that answer your question, counselor? He gave you a thumbs 02:05:05.867 --> 02:05:10.398 - up. Oh, okay. Yeah. The only other thing that I would add is 02:05:11.074 --> 02:05:19.405 - I noticed that line item 47 100 equipment law enforcement, which is the amount of 440 440,000 is also 02:05:19.405 --> 02:05:27.736 - it's technically double budgeted because it's over in the GO bond. So and I know that is like pending 02:05:27.736 --> 02:05:36.393 - approval and whatnot. And so it's technically what I think we should do tonight is to remove that pending 02:05:36.393 --> 02:05:39.742 - the final approval for just because it's 02:05:39.842 --> 02:05:54.887 - I would like to move that line item 47 100 equipment law enforcement and the amount of or. Yes, we're 02:05:54.887 --> 02:06:09.342 - going to law enforcement the and the amount of $440,000 be removed. Pending the approval from the 02:06:09.794 --> 02:06:17.504 - zero one zero six got it okay it's an objection but point of information man president let me second 02:06:17.504 --> 02:06:25.291 - it so um put information on it then um are when when are we settling the geobond in the sequence here 02:06:25.291 --> 02:06:33.077 - so that's what i'm saying that um like this evening we just discussed with geobond and edit that will 02:06:33.077 --> 02:06:35.902 - be a topic of conversation um at the 02:06:36.098 --> 02:06:44.824 - September 22nd meeting. Because that'll all be before. So in case things happen and we need to move 02:06:44.824 --> 02:06:53.550 - things around, we got plenty of time to figure that out. Yes. Are all of the items that were listed 02:06:53.550 --> 02:07:02.276 - in the Geobond list that we received, the requests, are they all budgeted in different budgets? No. 02:07:02.276 --> 02:07:05.854 - Okay. Some are not in here at all. Okay. 02:07:08.098 --> 02:07:14.145 - And when we get to any as we go through budgets, is this the plan or the thought? Because I think it 02:07:14.145 --> 02:07:20.371 - might be, and I was talking to Ms. Purdy about this during the review, I think there might be something 02:07:20.371 --> 02:07:26.477 - else in the commissioner's budget that also is listed in the GO bond that we probably will do here in 02:07:26.477 --> 02:07:32.584 - a little bit once we get to their budget. So yeah, I've been trying to make a mental note of anything 02:07:32.584 --> 02:07:36.894 - that I've seen on that. I've nerded out over budgets if you can't tell. 02:07:37.058 --> 02:07:48.081 - and want to double check that. So, yes. Yes. It is $440,000. And that is the 40,000. Yes, 440. This 02:07:48.081 --> 02:07:59.436 - is the multi-year commitment for body cameras, et cetera, for the Sheriff's Department. And we did the 02:07:59.436 --> 02:08:04.286 - first installment last year in the Geobond. 02:08:08.930 --> 02:08:17.962 - Any other further questions or comments on this motion? All right. John, may we please have a roll call 02:08:17.962 --> 02:08:26.907 - vote? Councillor Henry? Yes. Councillor Decker? Yes. Councillor Crosley? Yes. Councillor Iverson? Yes. 02:08:26.907 --> 02:08:33.854 - Councillor Feidl? Yes. Councillor Hock? Yes. Councillor Wilts? Yes. Passes you. 02:08:35.938 --> 02:08:44.877 - Thank you. Thank you very much. And now we'll come back to the overall, the final approval here. So 02:08:44.877 --> 02:08:53.995 - may we please have a roll call vote. Counselor Henry? Yes. Counselor Deckard? Yes. Counselor Crosley? 02:08:53.995 --> 02:09:03.023 - Yes. Counselor Iverson? Yes. Counselor Feidl? Yes. Counselor Hock? Yes. Counselor Wilts? Yes. Motion 02:09:03.023 --> 02:09:04.990 - passes unanimous 7-0. 02:09:05.122 --> 02:09:13.443 - all right thank you very much and last up on our budget presentation for this evening is item 13 which 02:09:13.443 --> 02:09:21.684 - is from the board of commissioners there's nine of them so get comfortable council i move to open for 02:09:21.684 --> 02:09:29.763 - discussion review fund 1000-0307 county general fleet fund 1114-0307 lit special purpose fleet fund 02:09:29.763 --> 02:09:32.510 - 1170-0307 public safety lit fleet 02:09:32.642 --> 02:09:44.795 - Fund 1000-0068 County General Commissioners. Fund 1000-0161 County General County Buildings. Fund 1114-0068 02:09:44.795 --> 02:09:56.499 - Lit Special Purpose Commissioners. Fund 1138-0000 Cumulative Capital Development. Fund 1222-0000 Monroe 02:09:56.499 --> 02:10:02.238 - County E911. And finally, Fund 4933-0000 PSAP Lit. 02:10:02.786 --> 02:10:10.359 - Thank you. All right. We got a motion and a second. We are joined by commissioners, Julie Thomas, 02:10:10.359 --> 02:10:18.473 - Commissioner Jodi Madeira, and Ms. Angie Purdy. Welcome. Thank you. So for the personnel side of things, 02:10:18.473 --> 02:10:26.355 - obviously, that's reflecting the 2% increase. I'm looking at county general 1,000, 0, 0, 6, 8. That's 02:10:26.355 --> 02:10:32.382 - the commissioner's budget. And I want to just highlight for you in the supply 02:10:32.674 --> 02:10:40.902 - that are in the budget category. Just to note that those were not included in last year's budget because 02:10:40.902 --> 02:10:49.209 - that was part of the edit. So just. Since you're seeing the zeros, I wanted to kind of clarify why that's 02:10:49.209 --> 02:10:57.202 - in there and those are not any increases. It's the same amount as. That is currently this year in the 02:10:57.202 --> 02:10:59.710 - edit. It does still include the 02:11:00.642 --> 02:11:10.357 - obviously at your discretion, but it is a helpful amount for us for any kind of events, you know, with 02:11:10.357 --> 02:11:19.883 - the Christmas holidays and the Fourth of July for providing particular decorations. So just bringing 02:11:19.883 --> 02:11:26.014 - that to your attention. Oops, sorry. I jumped from the very top. 02:11:29.442 --> 02:11:38.505 - And now we go into the services category. The printing and subscriptions, that's been reduced because 02:11:38.505 --> 02:11:48.190 - we consistently aren't using the amount that we normally budget for that. We have increased the professional 02:11:48.190 --> 02:11:58.142 - services line. This is going to cover council for our pending litigation that you guys are quite familiar with. 02:11:58.274 --> 02:12:06.916 - Then we also have the, it, capital services, it used to be TAM. They're now with ICE Miller. They're 02:12:06.916 --> 02:12:15.900 - the lobbyists that provide us the updates and everything as to what's going on on the legislative level. 02:12:15.900 --> 02:12:24.542 - And I just want to bring to your attention that when we did this, we did not have the agreement for, 02:12:24.930 --> 02:12:32.217 - security on the county properties. So it's possible that that number will not be sufficient, but at 02:12:32.217 --> 02:12:39.505 - this point in time, I think 75,000 is an appropriate number to get us through most of the year. And 02:12:39.505 --> 02:12:47.084 - then if not, then we'll definitely be coming back to you to talk about that. To highlight that, I think 02:12:47.084 --> 02:12:53.278 - it was a few weeks ago, we added some lines that came from the Cable Franchise Fund. 02:12:53.378 --> 02:13:01.681 - into county general and those lines are represented here and there they are at no increase that also 02:13:01.681 --> 02:13:10.231 - means that cats has not been given any kind of an increase as reflected here and that is generally they 02:13:10.231 --> 02:13:17.630 - generally get an increase but just providing that to you so you know it's been kept flat. 02:13:18.434 --> 02:13:25.601 - The line regarding our other insurance, which is the non-health insurance, that's our liability workman's 02:13:25.601 --> 02:13:32.497 - comp. That's reflecting a 1.5% increase at this time. I think that I met with our representative last 02:13:32.497 --> 02:13:39.393 - week, and it looks like they were pretty close on that number. So I think that at this point in time, 02:13:39.393 --> 02:13:46.357 - difficulties with insurance is they're never ready at this time of the year to really look at what all 02:13:46.357 --> 02:13:48.318 - that we might have going on. 02:13:49.058 --> 02:13:58.822 - and then Workman's comp is on a Rotate is on a revolving three years, but with a two-year delay. So 02:13:58.822 --> 02:14:08.684 - We've had some increased claims recently and we're getting into that kind of We're getting into that 02:14:08.684 --> 02:14:17.374 - term of those two to three year revolving And then I want to bring to your attention the 02:14:17.538 --> 02:14:28.488 - stone belt developmental disabilities line and that line and the mental health center stone line and 02:14:28.488 --> 02:14:39.655 - the developmental disabilities line. Those are all at an increase, but that is per DLGF and it doesn't 02:14:39.655 --> 02:14:45.726 - affect our ability, our living. This just goes to them. 02:14:46.946 --> 02:14:54.907 - have any questions about this fund keep going all right all right so county buildings um and i believe 02:14:54.907 --> 02:15:02.637 - last i think last week you approved the um us to be able to fill at for a new maintenance um person 02:15:02.637 --> 02:15:10.598 - and we changed that from a supervisor to um a regular maintenance person so that's actually a decrease 02:15:10.598 --> 02:15:15.390 - in in the budget um if you go to the supplies category of 161 02:15:15.490 --> 02:15:26.299 - Everything's the same. Those were in edit. But we did reduce the supply, maintenance, repair and fleet 02:15:26.299 --> 02:15:37.213 - line to 17,000. It's 19,000 this year. So do a couple of off of that. And if we go down to the services 02:15:37.213 --> 02:15:39.102 - category, there's 02:15:39.746 --> 02:15:48.214 - We reduced the trash pickup because that is based looking at our actual expenses. So I think that we 02:15:48.214 --> 02:15:56.682 - can cover that those costs with that slight reduction. Utilities. This is an increase. I think we're 02:15:56.682 --> 02:16:05.067 - going to be short this year, but we'll keep it a close eye on that so that we can get before you if 02:16:05.067 --> 02:16:07.582 - we need to. The clock winder. 02:16:08.514 --> 02:16:17.571 - This is a slight increase, but he's not had an increase in my entire time that I've been here. So $4,000 02:16:17.571 --> 02:16:26.627 - is a slight increase for the clock winder. And we're going to see if we can fix our internal clock here. 02:16:26.627 --> 02:16:35.425 - Good was telling me that it's a motor thing and they can't find a replacement motor. So it's going to 02:16:35.425 --> 02:16:37.150 - take some talent to 02:16:38.402 --> 02:16:50.731 - that particular clock. And then the justice building management line, I need to correct that number 02:16:50.731 --> 02:17:03.677 - to, so I want to reduce it to 656138. And the reason for that is earlier this year, but after the budget 02:17:03.677 --> 02:17:07.006 - had been approved, guards, 02:17:07.522 --> 02:17:20.145 - at the Justice Building, which is providing for a savings of $122,200. You moved some what? Guards. 02:17:20.145 --> 02:17:33.020 - So there was like a guard there overnight, Monday through 24-7. And the need to have that coverage is 02:17:33.020 --> 02:17:35.166 - no longer there. 02:17:35.330 --> 02:17:45.095 - And plus now we have the swipes for people to get in. So we know who's coming and going from the facilities. 02:17:45.095 --> 02:17:54.143 - So the initial change was, of course, uncomfortable for people. But I believe that I have not heard. 02:17:54.143 --> 02:18:02.206 - I hope that doesn't invite more. But I have not heard any problems at this point in time. 02:18:02.626 --> 02:18:12.042 - That is what happened there. And then service contracts, I think I've increased that also to an even 02:18:12.042 --> 02:18:21.738 - 400,000. And again, I'm hoping that's accurate. We seem to be kind of looking at our service contracts. 02:18:21.738 --> 02:18:31.806 - We've added a lot of mold remediation to our buildings. And so that helps to cover those service contracts. 02:18:35.778 --> 02:18:44.673 - budget. We'd like to go to fleet for okay. So fleet also in County General is we're showing a reduction 02:18:44.673 --> 02:18:53.398 - in vehicle registration that again is based on kind of history of what we seem to be expending. So we 02:18:53.398 --> 02:19:01.438 - just cut that in half and that is County General. Do you want me to go on to the next budget? 02:19:01.762 --> 02:19:11.198 - Okay I'll keep rolling. So lit special purpose this is 1114 and this we have I reduced the contractual 02:19:11.198 --> 02:19:20.635 - services line from last year and that's because last year just kind of a similar situation we had bond 02:19:20.635 --> 02:19:30.071 - items in the bond and we also had them here and this is where it gets interesting with this particular 02:19:30.071 --> 02:19:31.262 - fund because 02:19:32.066 --> 02:19:40.935 - often counselor hawk wants things paid for ysp out of this fund so anyway so that was been reduced because 02:19:40.935 --> 02:19:49.638 - we don't need to do all the work that we were going to do that we're doing this year and then i've added 02:19:49.638 --> 02:19:58.093 - it's not a new cost it should have been removed from their budget um if i talked to vicki and vanessa 02:19:58.093 --> 02:20:00.414 - um and just put their their 02:20:00.706 --> 02:20:07.796 - insurance there are other insurance into into our side because we can it's easier for all the invoices 02:20:07.796 --> 02:20:15.092 - and things of that nature so we we've added that but it's not a it's not an addition to this total budget 02:20:15.092 --> 02:20:22.113 - the one addition that you will see is the 52.5 that is also in the geo bond and this is the one where 02:20:22.113 --> 02:20:28.446 - you guys have to decide if you want to keep it in here or if you want to put it in the bond 02:20:29.058 --> 02:20:39.876 - I will go down to we also have a fleet in special that a special purpose and that is at six thousand 02:20:39.876 --> 02:20:50.694 - there's no change there okay all of that fun we're going to go to ccd cumulative capital development 02:20:50.694 --> 02:20:54.014 - and we were able to reduce the 02:20:54.274 --> 02:21:02.260 - a little bit in the personnel side because we have a new help desk person who starts at the first, the 02:21:02.260 --> 02:21:10.013 - zero brand new year. I have increased the software and the service maintenance lines to 1.5 million 02:21:10.013 --> 02:21:17.998 - for the software and 500,000 over 300,000 for the current year for our service maintenance, repair and 02:21:17.998 --> 02:21:23.038 - building and grounds. That's where we pay for a lot of our known 02:21:23.298 --> 02:21:33.721 - or anticipated repairs and conditions that need to be happening with our buildings. And then the equipment 02:21:33.721 --> 02:21:43.755 - line, that is generally used for body armor. And the sheriff, I don't believe is in need of the 25,000 02:21:43.755 --> 02:21:51.646 - for next year. So we just reduced that number. The amount for the parking garage 02:21:52.034 --> 02:21:59.945 - is increased that's at 600 000 we're at a variable variable rate and it seems like i never really know 02:21:59.945 --> 02:22:07.933 - until the invoice comes so this gives us some flexibility on that and that was that's it for cumulative 02:22:07.933 --> 02:22:15.690 - capital so lit public safety uh we did a and i don't know why this happened i checked the math twice 02:22:15.690 --> 02:22:21.374 - um but there's a slight decrease in the fleet building administrator even 02:22:21.634 --> 02:22:32.209 - though I think there must have been an error last year or this year, is the only thing I can think of. 02:22:32.209 --> 02:22:42.579 - And the amount that's budgeted, because I've checked it twice, multiple times for this year, for 27. 02:22:42.579 --> 02:22:51.614 - And so that's the only observable issue in lit public safety. E911, 1222. This fund is, 02:22:52.354 --> 02:23:00.348 - And is solely for dispatch purposes. It cannot be used for anything except for things associated directly 02:23:00.348 --> 02:23:07.965 - with this with dispatch. And there's an increase in the contractual line. Excuse me. What happens is 02:23:07.965 --> 02:23:15.733 - the city sends us the invoices and we pay them. So there's no transfer of money from the county to the 02:23:15.733 --> 02:23:19.806 - city. We just get the invoices and then we pay those. 02:23:20.418 --> 02:23:29.858 - and then there's a slight reduction in their training travel line. I don't think we have anything in 02:23:29.858 --> 02:23:39.297 - the election. We don't. And then cable's gone. And then 4933, I believe is what we're looking at. So 02:23:39.297 --> 02:23:48.830 - that is the public safety answering point. I haven't had a chance to talk with Mr. McKim at the city. 02:23:49.666 --> 02:23:59.275 - there had been the intention to change the rate for both public safety and for the PSAP lit. Everybody 02:23:59.275 --> 02:24:08.790 - agreed that during the next few years, it would be ideal to try to ensure that we have enough funding 02:24:08.790 --> 02:24:18.492 - as we go into kind of an unknown area. So the $4 million right now is a holder. I think it will be less 02:24:18.492 --> 02:24:19.518 - than that. 02:24:19.714 --> 02:24:26.437 - But 4 million is a safe number. We currently have the Monroe County in our reserves. I think we have 02:24:26.437 --> 02:24:33.227 - over 3 million. And then the city should have kind of just based on roughly looking at their numbers, 02:24:33.227 --> 02:24:39.883 - they'll have at least a million at the end of this year. So we will be in good shape. And I need to 02:24:39.883 --> 02:24:47.006 - know what the, we also need to know what the tax rate, what the rate will provide us. So there's a lot of, 02:24:47.938 --> 02:24:58.316 - I'm not sure if it's a safe number. It's kind of moving parts, but, um, the city can probably explain 02:24:58.316 --> 02:25:08.999 - it more. But right now, I think the four millions of safe number. That our budgets. Any questions? Okay. 02:25:08.999 --> 02:25:17.342 - Thank you very much. Um okay. Um, Council Councilor Hawk. Very last that you were 02:25:17.730 --> 02:25:26.338 - the city would have, I thought you said a million and we might have more than that in the trust in the 02:25:26.338 --> 02:25:34.778 - dollars it's saved from the lit account. Is that what you said? I was just trying to follow what you 02:25:34.778 --> 02:25:43.135 - were saying. Yeah, okay. So the PSAP lit account, generally what happens is the rate is established 02:25:43.135 --> 02:25:47.230 - and the city will generally have a budget that's 02:25:48.418 --> 02:25:57.365 - large, they don't generally spend that budget. They have a number of people who are not, they have a 02:25:57.365 --> 02:26:06.311 - number of vacancies that they keep carrying. And so that just keeps rolling over. So that helps them 02:26:06.311 --> 02:26:15.258 - to have a reserve, if you will, when we transfer funds over. And then when we get the money from the 02:26:15.258 --> 02:26:17.118 - state, if it's more, 02:26:17.314 --> 02:26:27.363 - than the agreed upon interlocal agreement of going over for dispatch, that money is retained by the 02:26:27.363 --> 02:26:37.412 - county. Again, it's for PSAP and it helps to, the intention is for both parties to be able to cover 02:26:37.412 --> 02:26:45.150 - costs should there be a. Yeah, just yeah. Yeah, does that make sense to you? 02:26:45.282 --> 02:26:53.449 - Right, well I wanted to bring you down to the interlocal agreement. I haven't seen an interlocal agreement 02:26:53.449 --> 02:27:01.081 - for a while but with the city having to do with this money. But part of it said if there was ever a 02:27:01.081 --> 02:27:09.477 - shortfall that we would split it and county would pay evenly with whatever the city if there was a shortfall. 02:27:09.477 --> 02:27:10.622 - What we really 02:27:10.914 --> 02:27:18.547 - I'm trying to recall now, if it is disbanded altogether, then we have to decide where each dollar amount, 02:27:18.547 --> 02:27:26.108 - how that's going to be split up. And I haven't seen anything correct. Right. You're right. I don't think 02:27:26.108 --> 02:27:33.453 - it's covered in there. But we're not supposed to be giving them any more than what the budget for. So 02:27:33.453 --> 02:27:40.798 - when we get the supplemental, we should not be standing it there. That's why we have the reserve. OK. 02:27:41.250 --> 02:27:49.329 - I'm just saying, we do not know, and when we go into the great unknown in a couple of years, whether 02:27:49.329 --> 02:27:57.648 - or not the county is going to be left doing the entire thing. I've heard the chief say that they'd like 02:27:57.648 --> 02:28:05.727 - to have their own. But in the meantime, if it is all going to be up to the county, then that's going 02:28:05.727 --> 02:28:10.846 - to be something that we have to look at with the 1.2 operating. 02:28:11.106 --> 02:28:18.741 - So I think we have to keep a close eye on that and not think that we need to just keep upping a budget 02:28:18.741 --> 02:28:26.228 - that we might not be able to afford to do. We hold their budget down. Yeah, so they have a different 02:28:26.228 --> 02:28:33.790 - way of budgeting than what the county does. And so they budget much higher because I don't think they 02:28:33.790 --> 02:28:39.646 - ever want to go back to council. And so we know that they're not going to need 02:28:41.858 --> 02:28:49.712 - $4 million. They're going to spend 2 to 3, most likely. And what will happen is the rate that will be 02:28:49.712 --> 02:28:57.797 - a stat that's based on the percentage for the public safety, and then the PSAP comes off the top, that's 02:28:57.797 --> 02:29:05.651 - going to bring in the majority of their budget. And we're still going to have the $3 million surplus. 02:29:05.651 --> 02:29:09.886 - And they're going to have a surplus because it's still 02:29:09.986 --> 02:29:20.161 - dispatch money, right? Still PSAP money. And so I know that when you say we should split it equally, 02:29:20.161 --> 02:29:30.537 - but that PSAP lit that we receive, that's shared between everybody. We're just holding onto it because 02:29:30.537 --> 02:29:35.070 - I trust you guys more than. Second question. 02:29:38.018 --> 02:29:45.622 - presentation on the commissioner's budget. And I heard you talking about the dollar amount for the mental 02:29:45.622 --> 02:29:53.154 - health and dollar amount for mental disability. Okay, and there should be two lines there for the mental 02:29:53.154 --> 02:30:00.471 - disability, right? But then I heard you say, well, we're just going by what the state said, whatever. 02:30:00.471 --> 02:30:04.990 - And remember, the state, and so since I can't see these lines, 02:30:06.306 --> 02:30:15.161 - The mental disability is not a required dollar amount. But what we have done for years, when we added 02:30:15.161 --> 02:30:24.017 - a double one and added another group, within every year, we've given it a growth factor. Yeah, growth 02:30:24.017 --> 02:30:32.699 - quotient. But we don't pay. There's also a ruling from the state that we can go a whole lot higher. 02:30:32.699 --> 02:30:35.390 - Yeah, exceed a certain amount. 02:30:36.098 --> 02:30:43.894 - But for people who think, well, that won't cost anybody anything. Well, first of all, the taxpayers, 02:30:43.894 --> 02:30:51.613 - it would cost them. But in addition to it, it is one of those things that is part of the adjustment 02:30:51.613 --> 02:30:59.718 - to our max. So it goes on top of that. However, it is also in the circuit breaker. So when we say, well, 02:30:59.718 --> 02:31:05.662 - what is it we're going to lose in the county general over a million dollars? 02:31:06.562 --> 02:31:13.719 - And so that gets charged back. Are we going to split it up? And do we charge that part of the circuit 02:31:13.719 --> 02:31:20.735 - breaker to them or not? And I'm not saying we should. I just think we should be knowledgeable about 02:31:20.735 --> 02:31:28.032 - it as we are setting these budgets. Yeah, I totally understand. And they can always use more, just like 02:31:28.032 --> 02:31:35.540 - a highway could use more. Everybody could use more. Yeah. There is a maximum amount that state establishes 02:31:35.540 --> 02:31:36.382 - that can be 02:31:36.546 --> 02:31:45.700 - to those and we are we are under that when you add those 2 together. We're under the maximum amount. 02:31:45.700 --> 02:31:54.945 - Okay, so you have to together. It's exactly what it is for this year with. Did you and then you added 02:31:54.945 --> 02:32:04.190 - some coal on there or no. Sorry percent it what did you. Yeah, the growth factor the growth quotient. 02:32:05.346 --> 02:32:13.765 - even though we won't get it. Even though we don't get it, but that's what the states. Just wanted to 02:32:13.765 --> 02:32:22.101 - make sure that we were on the same page. Yes, I think we can see it. I know you can. You can adjust 02:32:22.101 --> 02:32:29.854 - that as you wish. I mean, that's. You would take it away, no, but. Circuit breakers suggest. 02:32:35.138 --> 02:32:43.304 - Okay. Councilor Wilts and then Councilor Haug, your microphone is going in and out because it's not 02:32:43.304 --> 02:32:51.389 - close to you. So you might want to bring it up to you the next time you comment. Sorry. Excuse me. 02:32:51.389 --> 02:32:59.637 - I'm sorry. Councilor Wilts. Strangely, I want to comment on exactly the two things that she was just 02:32:59.637 --> 02:33:00.862 - commenting on. 02:33:03.170 --> 02:33:15.616 - The committee met a couple weeks ago, and we did raise the overall PS lit rate. And just to kind of 02:33:15.616 --> 02:33:28.062 - clarify, it wasn't to make sure we have enough money kind of built up around it. It literally was a 02:33:28.062 --> 02:33:30.302 - discussion around 02:33:30.882 --> 02:33:38.714 - the trying to budget, trying to collect enough to cover what the costs are for running dispatch so that 02:33:38.714 --> 02:33:46.245 - it is an accurate reflection as we head into the big change, the big unknown. And do I remember the 02:33:46.245 --> 02:33:54.002 - amount that we increased it? No, I completely don't remember. Well, I thought that you guys missed the 02:33:54.002 --> 02:33:57.918 - first date, so will this put it in later next year? 02:33:58.786 --> 02:34:06.096 - That's a question for them. I don't remember being told that we met on 8 20. Yeah, I know. I think that 02:34:06.096 --> 02:34:13.125 - did miss the eight one date that we were trying to. Yeah, there's a because I know when we met with 02:34:13.125 --> 02:34:20.225 - the city to talk about the budget, they were going to try to have that meeting. And I think that was 02:34:20.225 --> 02:34:26.270 - in, I don't know, June, July. It's when they start trying and it's like herding cats. 02:34:26.786 --> 02:34:38.536 - I'm not sure. Anyway so that's just yes. Thank you. Um. More. I guess you know from Mr McKim. Um and 02:34:38.536 --> 02:34:50.286 - the I remember a few years ago. Um. We with these what I've always considered a little bit of a pass 02:34:50.286 --> 02:34:55.870 - through kind of allotment to our social service 02:34:56.034 --> 02:35:04.770 - And we've gotten that on several fronts. Well, there's one organization we haven't heard from, and that's 02:35:04.770 --> 02:35:13.094 - Stone Belt. And I don't know if you've heard from them. OK. I would hope that they would want to let 02:35:13.094 --> 02:35:21.665 - us know how they're handling the money we give them. So I'll follow up. I'm pretty sure that I did last 02:35:21.665 --> 02:35:25.374 - year, but I don't think that they responded. 02:35:26.114 --> 02:35:34.654 - I'm sorry. Didn't have it. All right. So I mean, I just. Above common courtesy, it just is more responsible 02:35:34.654 --> 02:35:42.562 - as we give money to understand how it's how it's working for them. Thanks. I think Miss Turner King 02:35:42.562 --> 02:35:50.628 - had her hand up. I did speak to Mr Larry Allen this afternoon, and I have the rates if you want me to 02:35:50.628 --> 02:35:55.294 - say them. So the PS lit rate is proposed to go to 0.2869%. 02:35:55.490 --> 02:36:06.262 - the P separate is proposed to go to point on one person. They say when that would go into effect because 02:36:06.262 --> 02:36:16.830 - 0.1 0.1 0.1 percent 0.1 0.1 percent. Thank you. I think that's the maximum that it can go to. I'd have 02:36:16.830 --> 02:36:23.806 - to look at the statute. Mr. Allen said that he was going to send me 02:36:24.098 --> 02:36:32.560 - the timeline and the proposed ordinance. And so I haven't received that today because we just talked 02:36:32.560 --> 02:36:40.939 - this afternoon. I'll go to Councilor Iverson and then Henry next. So I want to talk about or rather 02:36:40.939 --> 02:36:49.485 - have a conversation about dialogue about the Charlotte Zietlow Justice Building. And I wanted to just 02:36:49.485 --> 02:36:53.758 - open it up with a question of how do these budgets 02:36:54.018 --> 02:37:03.633 - if at all or in what ways do these budgets help maybe address or prevent some of the harms that we've 02:37:03.633 --> 02:37:13.626 - seen understanding that Murphy's law can probably best be applied to 2026 as it deals with that building. 02:37:13.626 --> 02:37:22.110 - Actually what I'll say for Murphy's law is that it's the age of the building and that the 02:37:22.722 --> 02:37:33.423 - the burden that it bears- I think is why we're seeing. These continued and repeated- problems the majority 02:37:33.423 --> 02:37:43.525 - of our- services the way we're able to. Conduct repairs- is through the community cumulative capital 02:37:43.525 --> 02:37:52.126 - development funds that pays for a significant number of those things also our general 02:37:53.090 --> 02:38:01.873 - that's in the twenty twenty five deal bond. The basically that. The repairs that were needed because 02:38:01.873 --> 02:38:10.743 - of the mold and the new controls that need to go into place and so that and in the twenty twenty five 02:38:10.743 --> 02:38:20.222 - deal bond. Many of the problems with the justice building that's not the only building right so we also have 02:38:20.482 --> 02:38:29.973 - So we have that building repair line that we generally use in cumulative capital. And then that's also 02:38:29.973 --> 02:38:39.371 - a lot of times where we'll use the special projects to cover those things that we had not anticipated 02:38:39.371 --> 02:38:48.862 - having to pay that kind of substantive amount. Does that help? It does help. And I think there's still 02:38:48.962 --> 02:38:55.573 - you know, as we go around and talk to different departments about their budgets, you know, they're asking 02:38:55.573 --> 02:39:01.935 - us, you know, what's going to happen in 2027? How can we make things better in 2027? And I think your 02:39:01.935 --> 02:39:08.235 - answer gives part of the answer there. I mean, there's some partial assurance there that, of course, 02:39:08.235 --> 02:39:14.597 - the geo bonds are still in place and there'll be hope there and that we're using those funds. But the 02:39:14.597 --> 02:39:16.094 - building's still aging. 02:39:16.194 --> 02:39:22.951 - It's still falling apart. It's still burdened. It's overburdened. And so I just, you know, I know that 02:39:22.951 --> 02:39:29.642 - it's a difficult thing. This is a very difficult situation for a lot of departments that are involved 02:39:29.642 --> 02:39:36.267 - here. And I do want to continue to have a dialogue using these funds and others to try and alleviate 02:39:36.267 --> 02:39:42.302 - some of the, quite frankly, the suffering that some of these departments are going through. 02:39:43.522 --> 02:39:52.127 - Yeah, and I appreciate that. Something I'd like to also share with you is, I don't know if any of you've 02:39:52.127 --> 02:40:00.487 - watched the Boeing Netflix movie. It's really good. It's really kind of sad. I mean, it's really bad, 02:40:00.487 --> 02:40:09.502 - but it's really good. But one of the things that they did with Boeing is they outsourced all kinds of things. 02:40:10.114 --> 02:40:17.896 - they decided to put these really efficient engines on this large carrier. Well, the carrier wasn't designed 02:40:17.896 --> 02:40:25.390 - for those efficient engines. And so those efficient engines caused all kinds of problems, and they fell 02:40:25.390 --> 02:40:32.812 - off, and things of that nature. But that is just exactly what we have been experiencing at the Justice 02:40:32.812 --> 02:40:35.838 - Building. When we made the changes to the 02:40:36.034 --> 02:40:44.744 - HVAC and the controllers, and we were using more efficient softwares and electronics. It created more 02:40:44.744 --> 02:40:53.283 - problems down the road, so it was pushing things. You know, it was just pushing, it was just, you'd 02:40:53.283 --> 02:41:02.590 - fix it over here, but it would push it over to here. And so, you know, we're trying, we're dealing with that 02:41:04.322 --> 02:41:14.626 - with that building. And it wasn't well or conducive to repairs of that magnitude. We can't just change 02:41:14.626 --> 02:41:24.631 - the plumbing because the courts can't handle having jackhammers going on while they're trying to do 02:41:24.631 --> 02:41:32.734 - court. And we also have inmates in the facility. So there's a lot of things that 02:41:32.930 --> 02:41:41.917 - our hands are tied. And I know that you guys are just now kind of hearing about this building. But I 02:41:41.917 --> 02:41:51.259 - have hated this building for a very long time. Yes. And I have wanted it gone. And I still want it gone. 02:41:51.259 --> 02:42:01.758 - So. I think a good way to summarize our relationship with that building is that there are ongoing maintenance efforts 02:42:01.890 --> 02:42:14.076 - that continue to be scheduled, that continue to be done. Plus, when repairs are needed, we get on them 02:42:14.076 --> 02:42:26.025 - as quickly as possible. Asking a vendor to come in overnight to do some work, it happens. So there's 02:42:26.025 --> 02:42:28.510 - ongoing maintenance. 02:42:29.634 --> 02:42:37.615 - there's repair work that's always done as quickly as possible. And we do cobble together, and Angie's 02:42:37.615 --> 02:42:45.673 - a wiz at this, cobbling together those repairs and maintenance efforts from a lot of different funding 02:42:45.673 --> 02:42:53.732 - sources. So to simply ask, I mean, we talked about this this week, I said, well, you know, can we just 02:42:53.732 --> 02:42:56.862 - get a list of everything we've spent on 02:42:56.994 --> 02:43:04.820 - on the justice building. And that's a huge endeavor. That is not just like, hey, just call it up on 02:43:04.820 --> 02:43:12.646 - wow. It is not there. It is under 6,000 different lines. And did the vendor put justice building on 02:43:12.646 --> 02:43:20.785 - it? I don't know. But Mr. Kreider's here. And if you want a general summary list of all the things that 02:43:20.785 --> 02:43:25.246 - have happened in that building and what we've worked on, 02:43:25.378 --> 02:43:34.876 - that he can provide that for you. Um, but, um, I will also mention that some of the discussion has been 02:43:34.876 --> 02:43:44.008 - about, you know, carpet and furniture and things. And I wanted, um, if Ms Purdy could address that, 02:43:44.008 --> 02:43:52.958 - if you wouldn't mind. Sure. Um, so I am going to just admit that. That building has aesthetically 02:43:55.266 --> 02:44:02.255 - not given the care. And could give all kinds of reasons. I'm not going to. It's just a fact. So it does 02:44:02.255 --> 02:44:09.243 - not look like how it should. The prosecutor's office, when I went in there, I couldn't believe my eyes, 02:44:09.243 --> 02:44:15.963 - because I was here when that building first opened. And I swear it has some of the same carpet that 02:44:15.963 --> 02:44:22.884 - it had when I was in there when it first opened. And same with the walls. And so we have, so when this 02:44:22.884 --> 02:44:24.766 - incident happened with the, 02:44:24.994 --> 02:44:34.225 - the sewer for the toilets overflowing. It clearly damaged the flooring in the clerk's office in an area. 02:44:34.225 --> 02:44:43.808 - We fixed that, but we are going to replace all of the carpet for them. So that will hopefully be a brighter, 02:44:43.808 --> 02:44:53.566 - cleaner looking space with that new carpet in there. They also have, I think it's linoleum or something in the 02:44:53.666 --> 02:45:01.995 - of that little vestibule off to the side and Richard's going to see about if we could just go ahead 02:45:01.995 --> 02:45:10.573 - and have that carpeted or literally whatever is more appropriate for that particular space to at least 02:45:10.573 --> 02:45:19.485 - freshen that up a little bit for them. It's a drop in a very large bucket. I can just jump in very quickly 02:45:19.485 --> 02:45:20.734 - and I was with 02:45:20.834 --> 02:45:29.845 - to council members on a tour last year when I think I saw something that symbolized that before we turned 02:45:29.845 --> 02:45:38.855 - to Mr. Kreider. And we were in block three. And we, I think somebody who was working with the jail opened 02:45:38.855 --> 02:45:47.526 - up a plumbing closet and said, we just like to show you this as an example. And inside was just an MC 02:45:47.526 --> 02:45:49.566 - Escher display of pipes 02:45:49.794 --> 02:45:57.003 - and pipes and pipes and pipes and pipes and pipes. And I couldn't even fit my arm in there, let alone 02:45:57.003 --> 02:46:04.211 - chart what pipe went where and, you know, I mean, flat Stanley, the child's character couldn't fit in 02:46:04.211 --> 02:46:11.420 - there. It was just impossible. And it went back seven feet like that. So all of the new carpeting and 02:46:11.420 --> 02:46:18.558 - all the new paint can't fix issues like that. I think that's a great description as why we can't put 02:46:19.042 --> 02:46:30.108 - we're going to have to do. Modern things in the plumbing lines to prevent some of the issues that we 02:46:30.108 --> 02:46:41.612 - have there in that building. Some of the sabotage issues, you know, so and we have put in water sensors. 02:46:41.612 --> 02:46:48.734 - Because. Not put in. The plumbing that would catch these issues. 02:46:48.898 --> 02:46:56.489 - You know, nobody's going to know. So we put in water sensors so that an alarm goes off. And my understanding 02:46:56.489 --> 02:47:03.802 - is that it can detect a reverse flow. This shouldn't be happening. It'll set off an alarm, notify staff, 02:47:03.802 --> 02:47:10.767 - shut the water off. But you still have to go over and shut the water off. Still have to go shut the 02:47:10.767 --> 02:47:17.732 - water off. But these sheriffs' office, who's 24-7, if they get it, they know where to go to shut it 02:47:17.732 --> 02:47:18.846 - off. Naturally. 02:47:19.458 --> 02:47:25.239 - clearly labeled all the things. And I was just going to say real quickly, and I want to move on to have 02:47:25.239 --> 02:47:30.910 - other people have that is a good point. And I'm glad to hear because going over to the clerk's office 02:47:30.910 --> 02:47:36.802 - and just kind of seeing the hodgepodge things that are happening. I know they've been, you know, dismayed 02:47:36.802 --> 02:47:42.473 - by a lot of things and things coming down. So it's good to hear in the little area where the marriage 02:47:42.473 --> 02:47:48.254 - license, I think that's where you're talking about where they're only because it just to me, it didn't. 02:47:48.738 --> 02:47:55.170 - it was properly maintained and clean. So I'm glad you said that, and I'm glad to hear that there will 02:47:55.170 --> 02:48:01.539 - be some fixes. And hopefully, you know, if they're listening or watching later, like they understand 02:48:01.539 --> 02:48:08.097 - that this is something that's coming. So I appreciate you saying that. Did I see another? And Councilor 02:48:08.097 --> 02:48:12.574 - Henry. Thank you, Madam President, and thank you for the comprehensive 02:48:12.898 --> 02:48:18.558 - presentation of your full budget with all its items. I do have a few questions on this. I will say I 02:48:18.558 --> 02:48:24.274 - didn't expect to get into this conversation this evening in this manner. I'm going to try to limit my 02:48:24.274 --> 02:48:29.934 - questions to the actual funds and account lines which remain to why the building might be the way it 02:48:29.934 --> 02:48:35.762 - is. I have a hard time hearing this conversation because it kind of goes from A to C. It's like we have 02:48:35.762 --> 02:48:41.982 - this building and boy the carpets old, but it's like what was step B? At what point in deferred maintenance in 02:48:42.146 --> 02:48:47.648 - subsequent contractors and other work did a carpet never get replaced, a floor never get replaced. It's 02:48:47.648 --> 02:48:52.937 - like we don't have the time to get into this this evening about the decision points over a 17 or 40 02:48:52.937 --> 02:48:58.386 - year period on a building. Buildings are not organisms, it's concrete and steel that can be maintained 02:48:58.386 --> 02:49:03.676 - in different ways. I've heard a comment here tonight, I've just got to have to say some of this, is 02:49:03.676 --> 02:49:07.326 - you know we have employees that are not doing well in that building. 02:49:07.426 --> 02:49:12.354 - A solution could be to move them into another facility in the community until we figure it out. The 02:49:12.354 --> 02:49:17.381 - fact that the courts can't function with jackhammers, who could disagree with that? But we have moved 02:49:17.381 --> 02:49:22.456 - offices in this county in renovating this building and renovating that building 25 years ago when Kirk 02:49:22.456 --> 02:49:27.384 - White sat on this commission behind us. We've done this before. And so I just have a hard time with 02:49:27.384 --> 02:49:32.411 - the A to C because point B is, I think, the bone of contention. I don't have time for that because we 02:49:32.411 --> 02:49:35.614 - got to talk about the budget. So I got to talk about the budget. 02:49:36.642 --> 02:49:49.356 - I want to draw our attention first to Fund 1000-0161. And I need to understand, I think, where this 02:49:49.356 --> 02:50:02.324 - is at in here. Is 36001 and 36008 the CSC contract? Where is that contract in your funds? It is 31430 02:50:02.324 --> 02:50:05.502 - and 36008, 36021, 36022. 02:50:05.634 --> 02:50:11.482 - So we have four accounts to draw down on. Is it four separate contracts or one contract? One contract. 02:50:11.482 --> 02:50:17.386 - Okay, great. So I think I have a copy of the addendum from February of 26 of this year. It says in that 02:50:17.386 --> 02:50:18.238 - scope of work, 02:50:18.466 --> 02:50:23.748 - It seems like of the sum total that the county spends about $600,000 goes to the Justice Building and 02:50:23.748 --> 02:50:29.185 - the parking garage itself. Is that about right? Would you say the vast majority of the contract is okay? 02:50:29.185 --> 02:50:34.416 - The scope says bathrooms and entries are cleaned every day and general cleaning and trash collection 02:50:34.416 --> 02:50:39.801 - occurs every other day. It specifies staff. I think we heard tonight that you had said there's $128,000 02:50:39.801 --> 02:50:45.342 - deduction because there's two security guards that are no longer provided in that contract. Is that right? 02:50:45.698 --> 02:50:55.218 - $122,200. It also says janitorial staff, maintenance employee for the jail, and four full-time maintenance 02:50:55.218 --> 02:51:04.383 - employees, is that right? That's like about 10-ish people. How many FTEs are we paying for? We're not. 02:51:04.383 --> 02:51:10.878 - They're paying for it but that's their staff. We've bought the contract. 02:51:11.074 --> 02:51:16.927 - But the contract actually calls out by number how many employees are to be it's not like here's a bucket 02:51:16.927 --> 02:51:22.780 - of money Do it with ten or two people. Okay Let me ask some questions here because it is in the contract 02:51:22.780 --> 02:51:28.521 - Who verifies the cleaning frequency? I Can't answer that question So they're saying they clean things, 02:51:28.521 --> 02:51:34.096 - but we don't know if the things are cleaned if staff like complain that things aren't being cleaned 02:51:34.096 --> 02:51:37.886 - How who verifies that the bathrooms are actually getting cleaned? I 02:51:40.610 --> 02:51:46.030 - probably that would be me. I don't have a set schedule for that type of thing. I make my rounds and 02:51:46.030 --> 02:51:51.613 - do my walkthroughs and that I the public areas in the justice building never really appear in that bad 02:51:51.613 --> 02:51:57.087 - of shape to me. Well, I did. I did have a staff telling me once that it seems like the mirrors don't 02:51:57.087 --> 02:52:02.562 - get cleaned very often. And it turns out in the contract, mirrors are not something that is required 02:52:02.562 --> 02:52:08.036 - to clean its toilets floors. But the mirrors somehow got left off. Is that are we talking about ASI? 02:52:08.036 --> 02:52:09.662 - OK, are they one in the same? 02:52:10.210 --> 02:52:17.041 - CSC, ASI, okay. I'm not sure what CSC is. Can we see any records demonstrating that the contracted personnel 02:52:17.041 --> 02:52:23.308 - complement the full 10? I mean are they fully staffed right now? I have not heard that they're not. 02:52:23.308 --> 02:52:29.951 - In this contract, if they're not fully staffed, are they billing us hours or they just get like a monthly 02:52:29.951 --> 02:52:35.779 - invoice for whether they got 10 employees or two? We get a bi-weekly invoice. About $36,000, 02:52:35.779 --> 02:52:39.038 - is that right? Is it about $36,000 every two weeks? 02:52:39.682 --> 02:52:46.619 - So it depends. So I haven't done the math. Let's see. There's about $25,000 for the Justice Building, 02:52:46.619 --> 02:52:53.624 - parking garage, highway, EOC, and the reserve building. Here's why I asked my question. So I've worked 02:52:53.624 --> 02:53:00.425 - 20 years in contracting. A really awesome contract is when a company gets paid and they get to keep 02:53:00.425 --> 02:53:07.294 - the money if they have an FT that they haven't filled that month. Like, I don't have to pay anybody, 02:53:07.426 --> 02:53:14.380 - contractually you pay me the same invoice every month right it do we have I want to know if and maybe 02:53:14.380 --> 02:53:21.334 - we can't figure that out tonight if we're paying for vacancies basically like is that profit for that 02:53:21.334 --> 02:53:28.152 - company if those spots aren't filled or is it just straight up billable hours that do we know that? 02:53:28.152 --> 02:53:33.470 - I can answer that but the the intention is that the building space be done so 02:53:34.402 --> 02:53:45.074 - And I hear what you're saying, and that people are saying that it's not being done. What ASIC, whatever 02:53:45.074 --> 02:53:55.848 - they are, does is the basics. And employees, and it's in our personnel policy, are responsible for their 02:53:55.848 --> 02:54:00.158 - space. And I know that nobody likes that. 02:54:00.706 --> 02:54:07.348 - but that is how it is. That's how this contract is constructed. Okay. In that contract it says that 02:54:07.348 --> 02:54:14.057 - there's a reporting into the building maintenance program for the county. They have to actually fill 02:54:14.057 --> 02:54:21.098 - out something and report to you activities. Are we able to see that reporting? Do they fill out something 02:54:21.098 --> 02:54:25.150 - in a digital system? We have a software that... Yes, upkeep. 02:54:25.410 --> 02:54:30.786 - That includes preventative maintenance history for plumbing HVAC. I think that's what Commissioner Thomas 02:54:30.786 --> 02:54:35.857 - was talking about if we wanted to see the records. There's such a thing that we could see the whole 02:54:35.857 --> 02:54:41.030 - list of, is that it in the contract? They report that out. It's our, they use our software. Yeah. Can 02:54:41.030 --> 02:54:46.152 - we see that reporting to see when and how the work got done? Sure. Great. On this line item council, 02:54:46.152 --> 02:54:51.426 - the reason why I'm going this deep into the contract is that it's possible, you know, based on, we hear 02:54:51.426 --> 02:54:55.230 - from county employees, we heard a presentation tonight that there's a gap. 02:54:55.458 --> 02:55:01.449 - right? In perception, before I would even consider voting for these account lines, I would want to see 02:55:01.449 --> 02:55:07.381 - evidence that we're actually getting the services as described. If in fact the contract says what the 02:55:07.381 --> 02:55:13.779 - contract is and employees are expected to clean up their own spaces, that seems to be a gap in understanding. 02:55:13.779 --> 02:55:19.712 - If in fact things aren't being delivered or deferred maintenance is piled up or the firm can't really 02:55:19.712 --> 02:55:24.830 - service our building anymore, I want to know about that too before we fund that. I have 02:55:24.962 --> 02:55:31.544 - three other fun questions. I want to be fast here, Commander President. I know we took a lot of time. 02:55:31.544 --> 02:55:38.127 - So I want to, before you do that, I want to make sure we have, nobody else has any other questions or 02:55:38.127 --> 02:55:44.774 - Mr. Becker doesn't have anything. The other ones will go quick. Yeah, I just want to make sure because 02:55:44.774 --> 02:55:51.614 - I want to give everybody an opportunity to ask. Go ahead. Fund 1114-0068, the lit special purpose. I have 02:55:51.746 --> 02:55:57.248 - May have misheard you. Where was the $15,000 increase in professional services? Was it in this fund? 02:55:57.248 --> 02:56:02.477 - Or you said there's a $15,000 increase in professional services due to legal litigation things. 02:56:02.477 --> 02:56:08.306 - Was it here, or was it? Which fund was it? It was County General. It's in general. It's in County General? 02:56:08.306 --> 02:56:13.917 - Yeah, it's in general. Not special purpose. All right. I may have misseen it. But I want to talk about 02:56:13.917 --> 02:56:19.473 - the professional service increase. I understand it's for legal fees. What other professional services 02:56:19.473 --> 02:56:21.598 - are paid for out of that account line? 02:56:22.498 --> 02:56:30.428 - I had said that during the presentation, but it's Ice Miller who provides the lobbyist. So we have the 02:56:30.428 --> 02:56:38.357 - council, we have the Ice Miller. That's also where we've paid for public relations personnel. So today 02:56:38.357 --> 02:56:46.133 - in the commissioner's hearing, there's an appropriation for $20,000 for a PR contract related to the 02:56:46.133 --> 02:56:49.982 - jail that come out of, it only said in the packet 02:56:50.114 --> 02:56:56.126 - County General Fund 1,000. Do you know which fund you're tacking the 20,000 into this fiscal? Yes, it's 02:56:56.126 --> 02:57:01.965 - this fund. So it's professional services. Correct. So Council, I would just raise in this point that 02:57:01.965 --> 02:57:07.862 - this is our opportunity to fund the community's values. We're going to put money forward into a fund. 02:57:07.862 --> 02:57:13.643 - It's good to know what we're buying in that fiscal year. I don't recall talking about PR firms last 02:57:13.643 --> 02:57:17.054 - budget cycle. And this is one of those opportunities where 02:57:17.314 --> 02:57:26.181 - Other departments, they would ask for additional appropriations, but here it just kind of got slotted 02:57:26.181 --> 02:57:35.135 - in the bucket. I think it's worth pointing out here. Fund 1000-0068, this is a lot of services. 33034, 02:57:35.135 --> 02:57:39.742 - sorry, 33034, it's the support for boards line item. 02:57:40.290 --> 02:58:06.078 - you want to go back to that one? If you'd like, I can keep going. We've we've had, um we've had PR. Um 02:58:07.202 --> 02:58:20.276 - that. Oh gosh. Three years of we had part time folks who have done PR work for us on an as needed basis. 02:58:20.276 --> 02:58:32.852 - Um. And we had one person and then we had another and both of those contracts came out of that line. 02:58:32.852 --> 02:58:37.086 - Um with, um, hollow well. Um the. 02:58:37.474 --> 02:58:46.573 - about how well told us another county, Howard County, and then others. I remember Howard, though, utilized 02:58:46.573 --> 02:58:55.757 - the same firm. And what happens is, as it was explained to us, when you have litigation, there's a tendency 02:58:55.757 --> 02:59:04.345 - to get more immediate inquiries, publicity inquiries. There are concerns about making sure that what 02:59:04.345 --> 02:59:06.046 - is a very legalese, 02:59:06.306 --> 02:59:16.415 - to the court. So that the court based document and procedures and processes with the court can be explained 02:59:16.415 --> 02:59:25.776 - clearly to people- this is something that- we decided to enter into a contract with them because we 02:59:25.776 --> 02:59:35.230 - no longer have the other PR folks. In addition- this is we can we can work with the sheriff can work 02:59:36.098 --> 02:59:44.524 - and it's something we're going. The first step is to create sort of a plan and an outline, and we'll 02:59:44.524 --> 02:59:53.034 - have to figure out whether or not we want to continue the services next year or not. This may be very 02:59:53.034 --> 02:59:55.870 - short term. It also may move to a 02:59:56.034 --> 03:00:02.656 - sort of fixed price menu kind of deal where instead of a flat monthly fee, it's just based on hours 03:00:02.656 --> 03:00:09.410 - of work. And it's going to be more expensive per hour to go that way, but it's probably going to cost 03:00:09.410 --> 03:00:16.297 - us less because I don't think we'll use it as much. So this is an initial, because of the lawsuit, this 03:00:16.297 --> 03:00:20.734 - is an initial expense. And again, we've had PR expenses all along. 03:00:21.218 --> 03:00:26.818 - I maybe I'll save the balance of my questions for when we go back to visit some of these things, but 03:00:26.818 --> 03:00:32.418 - you did just open up something. I do want my answer about the support for boards one. You mentioned, 03:00:32.418 --> 03:00:38.240 - of course, that the PR firm seems to be available to one of the other litigants in the sheriff's office. 03:00:38.240 --> 03:00:43.785 - Would the board of commissioners object if the council put forward its own claim or budget and then 03:00:43.785 --> 03:00:49.330 - filed a claim for its own PR, given that we are a third named person? Because it strikes me that we 03:00:49.330 --> 03:00:50.494 - might want the same. 03:00:50.690 --> 03:00:57.502 - You might want the same. I don't know. It would fall to your desk to sign the claim. We can save it 03:00:57.502 --> 03:01:04.315 - for another day. Let me go back to the 40,000 support for boards, 33034. I have a ledger as good as 03:01:04.315 --> 03:01:11.468 - June 30, but I don't see any expenses drawn on that 40,000. Is there a reason that that's sitting there, 03:01:11.468 --> 03:01:12.830 - or what's that for? 03:01:13.218 --> 03:01:18.698 - that actually pays for the Human Rights Commission, and we have to be invoiced by the city, and they've 03:01:18.698 --> 03:01:24.230 - not invoiced us yet. Oh, I see. So we're waiting on the city for that. 37,000 of that. Really something. 03:01:24.230 --> 03:01:29.710 - And I normally ask every other year. And I did not, because I already know what it is all about. That's 03:01:29.710 --> 03:01:35.347 - the interlocal. Yes, that is the interlocal between the Bloomington Monroe County Human Rights Commission. 03:01:35.347 --> 03:01:40.827 - Right. So we're paying for half the attorney staff. Yeah. I'll leave it there in the sense that, again, 03:01:40.827 --> 03:01:43.198 - between now and the time we get into voting, 03:01:43.298 --> 03:01:49.642 - CSC contract if it is the contract we rely upon to deliver a cleanly work environment for our employees 03:01:49.642 --> 03:01:55.925 - if it's the contract we lean on for maintenance including scheduled maintenance and a maintenance plan 03:01:55.925 --> 03:02:02.146 - for our buildings. I want to see what's in that contract because clearly there's a lot of information 03:02:02.146 --> 03:02:08.307 - they're giving to you all and it would help to maybe allay concerns or or maybe verify concerns that 03:02:08.307 --> 03:02:10.686 - we've heard from staff that have had a 03:02:11.010 --> 03:02:16.623 - different experience over the years. But that's my questions for tonight. Thank you, Madam President. 03:02:16.623 --> 03:02:22.125 - Councilor Iverson. In the last budget, we just were talking to the highway department about gas and 03:02:22.125 --> 03:02:28.013 - where it should go. You have three fleets, funds, understanding no decisions are going to be made tonight. 03:02:28.013 --> 03:02:33.406 - Would that be a natural place for them to go? Or what do you think? Carly spoke to me about that. 03:02:36.034 --> 03:02:43.595 - I don't have problems when I'm talking to you guys about getting that appropriated. I don't see any 03:02:43.595 --> 03:02:51.534 - reason or any problems with it being into the county general fleet. Um, I do think what would be cleaner 03:02:51.534 --> 03:02:59.624 - and we do need to have more of a conversation because Carly and I kind of recognize there's accountability 03:02:59.624 --> 03:03:04.766 - that comes along with all of this, um, strange billing because I do 03:03:05.282 --> 03:03:12.752 - understand what Councillor Henry is saying is that it's strange that we are building all these different 03:03:12.752 --> 03:03:19.867 - departments and we're paying ourselves. So I do think that there might be an easier way to do it. I 03:03:19.867 --> 03:03:27.052 - think what I would prefer is to have highway have their own location in County General and you could 03:03:27.052 --> 03:03:34.878 - put the fuel in there and that's how it gets paid period for the county. Again conversation to be had because 03:03:35.298 --> 03:03:42.486 - we would want to be able to make sure people are that we're still tracking the use of the of the fuel 03:03:42.486 --> 03:03:49.604 - and that nobody's out having a grand time on the county's fuel. Yeah and I would just add that being 03:03:49.604 --> 03:03:56.651 - here this long as I have I remember how this all started um which is crazy um but the um the reason 03:03:56.651 --> 03:04:02.430 - it fell under highways because that's where it's located they do maintenance they 03:04:02.946 --> 03:04:09.043 - they're doing the bookkeeping, which is weird. I think that part's weird, right? Like, why are they 03:04:09.043 --> 03:04:15.262 - building departments, and how is that money moved, and why is it happening that way? But they do have 03:04:15.262 --> 03:04:21.542 - a role in that. But the reason they ended up with it as well is because they use the bulk of the fuel, 03:04:21.542 --> 03:04:27.090 - right? If you look at the percentage of the fuel, the department that uses the most is the 03:04:27.090 --> 03:04:32.638 - highway department. So that's how that all happened so long ago. I can barely remember it. 03:04:36.866 --> 03:04:50.098 - a great history lesson there. Okay, I'm like, I can't put my readers on. Councilor Decker. You're muted. 03:04:50.098 --> 03:05:03.330 - Sorry, I'm sorry. I had a couple of general follow-up areas I wanted to throw out. And I guess the first 03:05:03.330 --> 03:05:05.598 - one being on this 03:05:05.922 --> 03:05:12.524 - notion of the PR role. I think this has come up over the years in different ways. I think generally 03:05:12.524 --> 03:05:19.259 - people get a little bit of a choke in the throat on that notion of public relations. I think it's the 03:05:19.259 --> 03:05:25.861 - term. I think that's literally, in corporate America, that's a term. In government, it's different. 03:05:25.861 --> 03:05:32.926 - But one thing I think we absolutely need, and this has also come up over the years, we need communication. 03:05:33.410 --> 03:05:41.813 - to assist us with external messages and sometimes internally as we look to coordinate amongst ourselves. 03:05:41.813 --> 03:05:50.457 - And I would kind of raise the specter that perhaps even our need to be supportive of boards and commissions 03:05:50.457 --> 03:05:58.540 - is part of that communication, but also just the messages that have to go out when it's crisis time, 03:05:58.540 --> 03:06:03.102 - when it's important times, we are so department-reliant. 03:06:03.362 --> 03:06:09.741 - And anyone that's an elected official on the night of a tornado knows that you're waiting for EMA to 03:06:09.741 --> 03:06:16.182 - give you what you need. And then you've got to cobble together anything from Red Cross and everything 03:06:16.182 --> 03:06:22.561 - else. And I just, I sometimes wonder if assistance with what people have called PR over the years is 03:06:22.561 --> 03:06:29.255 - really just how are we communicating externally on vital things? And if I almost think that's a position, 03:06:29.255 --> 03:06:29.950 - so that's, 03:06:30.114 --> 03:06:37.115 - That's my first point I wanted to gently raise for you to all to think about while we're doing this 03:06:37.115 --> 03:06:44.187 - budget and maybe that's something we come back to. The second thing I would just throw out is I kind 03:06:44.187 --> 03:06:51.609 - of remember when I believe when Richard's role started and we ramped up to that and I was kind of looking 03:06:51.609 --> 03:06:58.750 - at the lines and it's now been a little bit of time and I wonder if the model that we're in with this 03:06:58.978 --> 03:07:07.306 - contractor heavy. Model if it's not maybe always giving us what we need and if it might be time to strengthen 03:07:07.306 --> 03:07:15.029 - his role and giving him support because he's essentially managing a campus of buildings that are both 03:07:15.029 --> 03:07:22.601 - old and complex, multiple departments. And if there's not more fruit from getting some folks inside 03:07:22.601 --> 03:07:26.462 - the house, helping to put out some of these fires. 03:07:27.586 --> 03:07:33.964 - Because it's, you know, I like the notion that an elected official walks in to people that work for 03:07:33.964 --> 03:07:40.341 - them and they say, where's the checklist? Who did what? Or that there's a little bit more strength. 03:07:40.341 --> 03:07:46.910 - And I worry sometimes that we're sending him into the, and I don't want, I'm not speaking for him. I'm 03:07:46.910 --> 03:07:53.288 - literally, this is just me in South Korea talking about observations, but we're throwing him in the 03:07:53.288 --> 03:07:56.158 - situation at very difficult buildings, very, 03:07:56.674 --> 03:08:05.644 - difficult situations, multiple elected officials and department heads, and that he might need a little 03:08:05.644 --> 03:08:14.440 - bit more in-house strength on the ground. Just a thought, just a thought. I'll be quiet. Okay, thank 03:08:14.440 --> 03:08:23.236 - you very much for that. Did you? Okay, I wanted to make sure if you didn't have anything else to add 03:08:23.236 --> 03:08:24.542 - to that, okay. 03:08:25.762 --> 03:08:35.098 - I think the PR thing is really interesting because in working at another entity, there are lots of things 03:08:35.098 --> 03:08:44.170 - that other departments are showcasing and are very much in the know about a lot of things. And I think 03:08:44.170 --> 03:08:48.574 - in listening to constituents and a lot of things, 03:08:49.474 --> 03:08:57.040 - You know, it's a comment upon us to get that word out, but Monroe County does some really good things 03:08:57.040 --> 03:09:04.457 - in departments that are doing that. For highway department, for example, with their reaction to the 03:09:04.457 --> 03:09:09.278 - tornado emergency management or those different types of things. 03:09:09.378 --> 03:09:16.575 - you all, FLOC was a big thing. And that was something that I saw where you all were champion for doing 03:09:16.575 --> 03:09:24.121 - that even so much more than the city because you went a step further in that. And so I think that obviously 03:09:24.121 --> 03:09:31.248 - we have to market ourselves to the community and let people know what exactly it is that we're doing. 03:09:31.248 --> 03:09:38.654 - My just hope is that all departments are able to be able to be a part of that where they would be able to 03:09:38.786 --> 03:09:46.958 - we've done that and the last PR person we had actually created templates for emergency management to 03:09:46.958 --> 03:09:55.050 - use when there's an emergency. Like fill in the blanks here's the information that the public needs 03:09:55.050 --> 03:10:03.222 - and provided that for emergency management so they can get a press release out super quick. You know 03:10:03.222 --> 03:10:08.158 - with information about dates times the event what where they 03:10:08.834 --> 03:10:15.794 - what the public needs to know so that's one of the things we've been we've been working on and clearly 03:10:15.794 --> 03:10:22.551 - it's something that that we don't do enough yet we have we have the city where there's i don't know 03:10:22.551 --> 03:10:29.308 - even know how many people now work in communications in the city and it's kind of over but you know 03:10:29.308 --> 03:10:35.998 - but you know what i'm saying there are a lot of people working in communications and we don't have 03:10:36.162 --> 03:10:44.367 - that we don't have an employee doing it. We have nothing. So that's why we do like to have somebody. 03:10:44.367 --> 03:10:52.815 - At least on call. But in this case, it's it was suggested by the litigation counsel, and I think that's 03:10:52.815 --> 03:11:00.126 - also important, too, because another case in point again and thinking about my other life 03:11:00.258 --> 03:11:05.827 - I was meeting with the person talking about boards and commissions, and we didn't have something that 03:11:05.827 --> 03:11:10.686 - fit their needs over yonder. We're on the other side of Morton Street, and so over here, 03:11:10.850 --> 03:11:17.297 - there were things that I had talked about and said, hey, you might want to look at the county. And I 03:11:17.297 --> 03:11:23.744 - really do think that we have different boards and commissions, like SUDAC, for example. And that was 03:11:23.744 --> 03:11:30.510 - a passion of one of the individuals that I was talking to. And it's just like, it's those types of things 03:11:30.510 --> 03:11:36.318 - that I wish that we could highlight so much more in county government, because we actually 03:11:36.482 --> 03:11:43.530 - we're doing that. It's just, we got to get out there and market ourselves without logos. Sorry, 03:11:43.530 --> 03:11:51.313 - I said it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Absolutely. Just briefly, I mean, I appreciate the dialogue. It's really 03:11:51.313 --> 03:11:58.949 - great to do. But we are talking about like three different things all at once. So there's a PR contract 03:11:58.949 --> 03:12:05.630 - through litigation. You have a narrow focus that's helping you message around that, right? 03:12:05.986 --> 03:12:11.503 - CIO work around a disaster and that's not the promotion of our good works. Those other latter two things, 03:12:11.503 --> 03:12:16.447 - the Councilor Deckard's comment, your comment, Commissioner Thomas, Madam President's comment, 03:12:16.447 --> 03:12:21.704 - I agree with. Boy, do those need worked out. Of course, we don't have the luxury that the city does. 03:12:21.704 --> 03:12:27.065 - I don't know, maybe we do have the luxury. Maybe I'll spin it differently to say that we have a number 03:12:27.065 --> 03:12:32.894 - of ministerial elected department heads that don't report to a mayor, so we'd have to really work out what that 03:12:32.994 --> 03:12:39.557 - that sharing is. But that's a future conversation in the context of just we got like three different 03:12:39.557 --> 03:12:46.185 - PR conversations going here. I just want to make sure we got it straight. That's it. But to be clear, 03:12:46.185 --> 03:12:53.008 - the group that we hired will do whatever we ask them to do to work on. It's not just for the litigation. 03:12:53.008 --> 03:12:59.636 - I read the contract. Maybe I didn't read it right. That contract is anything. So we can use it. So if 03:12:59.636 --> 03:13:02.430 - there's another tornado, here we go. When? 03:13:02.914 --> 03:13:08.960 - That is great. My emergency management hat goes off. I'm so sorry. I mean, that has to be coordinated 03:13:08.960 --> 03:13:14.355 - through a national incident management system structure where a CIO takes information from 03:13:14.355 --> 03:13:20.342 - all the departments and speaks on behalf of the incident command about what's going on that can't be 03:13:20.342 --> 03:13:26.685 - politicized. Thank you, Madam President. Council Iverson, I think you got some motions. I have two motions 03:13:26.685 --> 03:13:29.886 - that you referenced earlier, so please fact check me. 03:13:30.498 --> 03:13:41.882 - Council, I move and fund 1000-0161 County General County Buildings to set line 36008 to $656,138. Second. 03:13:41.882 --> 03:13:53.374 - All right, we got a motion and a second to set that item or that to zero as you all had explained earlier. 03:13:53.634 --> 03:14:02.936 - this is the 0 this is the oh my gosh yes i'm looking at my other notes sorry reduce that number not 03:14:02.936 --> 03:14:12.704 - set it to zero okay so we got that done um the reduction um made any other further questions or comments 03:14:12.704 --> 03:14:22.750 - on that all right seeing none maybe please have a roll call vote counselor iverson yes counselor fiddle yes 03:14:25.506 --> 03:14:35.277 - Hock has withdrawn. Councilor Wilts. Yes. Councilor Henry. Yes. Councilor Decker. Yes. Councilor Crosley. 03:14:35.277 --> 03:14:44.587 - Yes. Motion passes unanimous six zero. Council in fund one one one four dash zero zero six eight lit 03:14:44.587 --> 03:14:52.606 - special purpose commissioners I would like to set line four one one zero four to zero. 03:14:53.922 --> 03:15:00.881 - pending approval of the commissioners. Second. Okay, we got a motion and a second and again for those 03:15:00.881 --> 03:15:07.772 - that might have forgot because there was a lot of conversation. That is because it's double budgeted 03:15:07.772 --> 03:15:14.868 - in the Geovon and we'll have that conversation at the end of September. Wake me up when September ends. 03:15:14.868 --> 03:15:21.759 - Okay, go Green Day. Okay, any questions or comments on that item? No. All right. Seeing none, may we 03:15:21.759 --> 03:15:23.806 - please have a roll call vote? 03:15:24.290 --> 03:15:34.417 - Councilor Hawke, excuse me, Councilor Wilz? Yes. Councilor Henry? Yes. Councilor Decker? Yes. Councilor 03:15:34.417 --> 03:15:44.545 - Crosley? Yes. And Councilor Iverson? Yes. Motion passes unanimous, 6-0. And the overall passing forward 03:15:44.545 --> 03:15:53.406 - of this budget, may we please have a roll call vote? Councilor Wilz? Yes. Councilor Henry? 03:15:54.402 --> 03:16:08.175 - Same. Councilor Decker. Yes. Councilor Crosley. Yes. Councilor Iverson. Yes. Councilor Feidl. Yes. Motion 03:16:08.175 --> 03:16:22.078 - passes by majority, six, zero, one. Five. Oh, five, excuse me, yeah. Five, zero, one. Thank you very much. 03:16:22.178 --> 03:16:30.147 - Thank you. We appreciate that. Thank you very much. And that concludes our budget presentations for 03:16:30.147 --> 03:16:38.116 - this evening. As a reminder for the general public, we have our regular session meeting on Tuesday, 03:16:38.116 --> 03:16:46.245 - September 8th. September is so busy. Um and then we are recessed until Wednesday, September 9th 2026, 03:16:46.245 --> 03:16:47.998 - where we will pick up