WEBVTT 00:00:00.002 --> 00:00:08.710 - Go ahead and get started. Good evening, everybody. Tonight is budget session work or budget session 00:00:08.710 --> 00:00:17.592 - number three. Today is Wednesday, September 9th, 2026, the time is five or four. And we have a I will 00:00:17.592 --> 00:00:20.030 - call this meeting to order. 00:00:20.130 --> 00:00:26.500 - We have counselors and we actually have a quorum of council members. Two council members have stepped 00:00:26.500 --> 00:00:32.746 - out for the moment. Council members Henry and Hawk, but the rest of us are all here and we are here 00:00:32.746 --> 00:00:39.116 - to do the people's work. And we're here for a good time, not a long time. All right. Next up, and I'm 00:00:39.116 --> 00:00:45.674 - sorry you all have caffeinated Jennifer, so sorry, not sorry. Okay. Adoption of the agenda. Does anybody 00:00:45.674 --> 00:00:48.734 - wish to add or remove items on tonight's agenda? 00:00:52.802 --> 00:01:14.654 - I hear that there is a change. So one moment, please. All right, Council, I move 00:01:14.754 --> 00:01:23.203 - that we create a new item for B following the budget review and before the clerk where we open fund 00:01:23.203 --> 00:01:31.906 - 1000-0068 county general commissioners. They have a Scribner's error that we need to fix. Okay, we got 00:01:31.906 --> 00:01:40.862 - a motion and a second to adjust a tiny bit of the agenda here. Hopefully that change won't take too long. 00:01:40.962 --> 00:01:49.395 - Are there any questions or comments on that amendment? Okay, so because we have nobody present virtually, 00:01:49.395 --> 00:01:57.510 - we can do this by voice vote. So all those in favor of approving tonight's agenda as amended, signify 00:01:57.510 --> 00:02:05.466 - by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed, same sign. Okay, motion carries. Are there any other changes 00:02:05.466 --> 00:02:07.614 - to tonight's agenda? Okay. 00:02:07.874 --> 00:02:15.082 - seeing none, we will move on. It might be repetitive for some of us, but I'm gonna do it again for those 00:02:15.082 --> 00:02:22.015 - of us that have not watched our sessions or if this is your first time presenting this evening. So I 00:02:22.015 --> 00:02:28.880 - wanna welcome everybody to the budget sessions. These again are not, we are not approving these. We 00:02:28.880 --> 00:02:35.401 - are just listening to the departments present their budgets. The public hearing is on Tuesday, 00:02:35.401 --> 00:02:37.598 - October 6th, starting at 5 p.m. 00:02:37.730 --> 00:02:48.046 - The adoption of 2027 budget is going to be Tuesday, October 20th. So again, this isn't a movement of 00:02:48.046 --> 00:02:59.486 - all things finalized tonight. So again, we have been doing so well with our time and I'm going to ask politely. 00:02:59.874 --> 00:03:08.058 - and requests for departments that are presenting. You all got your timelines and your timeframes to 00:03:08.058 --> 00:03:16.241 - stick within that time frame. So your time frame total includes Q&A. If you are at your five minute 00:03:16.241 --> 00:03:24.507 - mark, it will be on the screens in here, but there is a five minute mark ding. And then a one minute 00:03:24.507 --> 00:03:28.926 - ding is also happening. So that just helps us keep on 00:03:29.058 --> 00:03:36.226 - Um, track with everything. And before, if you had like multiple items within your budget, um, we would 00:03:36.226 --> 00:03:43.602 - kind of stop and make a, um, like a motion and council Iverson would do that. Um, just present everything 00:03:43.602 --> 00:03:50.700 - all at once so we can get in and get out and do those things expeditiously. Um, I also ask council to 00:03:50.700 --> 00:03:55.710 - remain on topic and we'll ask items related to budgets only. All right. 00:03:56.642 --> 00:04:04.844 - That being said, as we have done so before, we will look to the auditor's table. In fact, we are joined 00:04:04.844 --> 00:04:12.889 - by Ms. Carly Woodruff. And Charlotte, hello, welcome. So we will have you all give your daily updated 00:04:12.889 --> 00:04:16.990 - budget regimen, if you will. Good evening, Council. 00:04:17.378 --> 00:04:23.285 - We've been working hard in Gateway, and we have the three Bs submitted. We also have four Bs ready to 00:04:23.285 --> 00:04:29.077 - share with you. Those were all emailed earlier today. They were also provided on the desks in front 00:04:29.077 --> 00:04:30.814 - of you whenever you got here. 00:04:31.074 --> 00:04:36.533 - Those documents on your desk should fit nicely into the binders that you already have. And we tried 00:04:36.533 --> 00:04:42.047 - to label them with the numbers that correspond with that grid you see on the front page. If you have 00:04:42.047 --> 00:04:47.506 - any questions about that, please feel free to let us know. But for now, I think we're just going to 00:04:47.506 --> 00:04:50.782 - dive into the form three. And I'm going to share my screen. 00:05:03.682 --> 00:05:10.897 - This is the form three, it's the county's advertisement. The amounts you see on here are inflated by 00:05:10.897 --> 00:05:12.254 - 40% of the budget. 00:05:12.386 --> 00:05:18.762 - before the COLA. The reason that it's before the COLA is just because it would have taken a significant 00:05:18.762 --> 00:05:24.954 - amount of time to make a minimal change in our documents. So the council office and auditor's office 00:05:24.954 --> 00:05:31.269 - decided that it was best to stick with that pre-COLA inflated amount that should be sufficient for all 00:05:31.269 --> 00:05:37.644 - of our budget changes that are needed. This has been submitted in Gateway. We would like for additional 00:05:37.644 --> 00:05:40.158 - sets of eyes to review this information. 00:05:40.386 --> 00:05:51.507 - The auditor's office and council office have both thoroughly reviewed this, but the more eyes the better. 00:05:51.507 --> 00:06:02.314 - And again, this is in your packet. It's also available on Gateway in that email you got earlier today. 00:06:02.314 --> 00:06:10.078 - Is there anything else? Go ahead, sorry. I'm pulling up the 4B right now. 00:06:10.370 --> 00:06:10.942 - Ah... 00:06:15.138 --> 00:06:21.320 - It's not letting me pull up the 4B. So while I work on that, I will talk to you about what that document 00:06:21.320 --> 00:06:27.207 - looks like. So the 4Bs are accurate, as far as we know right now, aside from a handful of funds. We 00:06:27.207 --> 00:06:33.271 - have a few funds that are highlighted in yellow on the spreadsheet you'll see in a moment. Those funds 00:06:33.271 --> 00:06:39.276 - are not pulling accurately into the 4B. Aside from that, everything should be exactly how it needs to 00:06:39.276 --> 00:06:45.104 - be. If you guys are reviewing those and you notice any changes or anything, this seems encouraging 00:06:45.104 --> 00:06:50.964 - please reach out to us. But as far as those documents go, we believe they are accurate representations 00:06:50.964 --> 00:06:56.768 - of what is in the budget right now. And as in the past, you'll see that left-hand column that'll have 00:06:56.768 --> 00:07:02.799 - the advertised amount, and that's gonna be the inflated budget. And then in the right-hand column, you're 00:07:02.799 --> 00:07:07.806 - gonna see the adopted amount. Give me just a moment so I can pull that up for you guys. 00:07:22.562 --> 00:07:29.457 - So we have a 4B for every fund that's going through the budget projection process. And just like what 00:07:29.457 --> 00:07:36.421 - we discussed just a moment ago, our advertised budgets are inflated, and our adopted budgets is what's 00:07:36.421 --> 00:07:43.722 - currently in the system right now. If you look down, every line has new information, but the most important 00:07:43.722 --> 00:07:50.820 - lines that you guys are probably going to be looking at is going to be the revenue total for 2027, which 00:07:50.820 --> 00:07:52.510 - is reflected on line 14. 00:07:53.122 --> 00:08:03.090 - and the expenditure total for 2027, which is reflected on line 18. I'm sorry, the expenditure is on 00:08:03.090 --> 00:08:13.057 - 17 and then the net, so what we expect the 2027 December cash balance to be is on 18. Moving on, do 00:08:13.057 --> 00:08:16.446 - we have any questions about that? 00:08:20.226 --> 00:08:26.435 - Moving on to the document that we've shared before, and that's that Excel document. It's the sandbox 00:08:26.435 --> 00:08:32.706 - for the deficit. You can see that the county's deficit is not a deficit this year overall with how we 00:08:32.706 --> 00:08:38.915 - are calculating this. We are actually positive by over $2 million. And that change and that increase 00:08:38.915 --> 00:08:45.063 - that you're seeing is going to be directly correlated with the changes that you guys made at budget 00:08:45.063 --> 00:08:49.182 - session number two. So those have been implemented in both gateway 00:08:49.250 --> 00:08:55.313 - and in this spreadsheet. You can also see those changes, for example, if you look at the deficit in 00:08:55.313 --> 00:09:01.497 - the general fund, this was a negative, and now you're seeing that it's a positive, and that's because 00:09:01.497 --> 00:09:07.620 - those expenses were moved from county general into the edit fund. And I believe that's all I have to 00:09:07.620 --> 00:09:13.743 - share, unless you guys have any additional questions. Okay, let me see if we have any questions, and 00:09:13.743 --> 00:09:16.350 - it looks like Councilor Wilts is first up. 00:09:18.306 --> 00:09:25.686 - Just the point that you just made about moving expenses from general to edit. Those are still pending 00:09:25.686 --> 00:09:32.993 - commissioners approval and a discussion with them, right? Correct. Okay. Okay. But it's what we said 00:09:32.993 --> 00:09:40.517 - we wanted to do. And so you put it, which is great. I just wanted to make sure I understood. Thank you. 00:09:40.517 --> 00:09:44.062 - Yes. I'll go counsel Iverson and then half next. 00:09:44.514 --> 00:09:50.805 - On the portion that's on the screen here, some of the largest negative numbers are associated with two 00:09:50.805 --> 00:09:57.096 - funds, cumulative capital development and county major bridge. I just want to reassure the public that 00:09:57.096 --> 00:10:03.693 - those negative numbers do not mean that we'll not be able to work on major bridges in 2027. That's correct, 00:10:03.693 --> 00:10:04.670 - right? Correct. 00:10:04.802 --> 00:10:10.691 - So the negative you see is the deficit. That means that we are spending more than we are receding in 00:10:10.691 --> 00:10:16.522 - in that fiscal year. That doesn't mean we can't beat into those cash reserves. But if we are eating 00:10:16.522 --> 00:10:22.586 - into those, we just have to be conscious of what we're doing and know that we have to have a plan going 00:10:22.586 --> 00:10:28.941 - forward. OK, so it's probably incumbent on the liaisons into those departments to work with those department 00:10:28.941 --> 00:10:34.014 - heads on that plan. Correct. Got it. Go, Chancellor Iverson and then Henry. Oh, sorry. 00:10:34.338 --> 00:10:44.696 - Councilor Honk, then Henry. Oh, no, I insist. I just wanted, I did review these earlier this afternoon, 00:10:44.696 --> 00:10:54.755 - but I was having the money that the county will put into the self-insurance fund over and above what 00:10:54.755 --> 00:11:01.726 - is budgeted in each fund, dollar amount that the county would put in. 00:11:07.746 --> 00:11:16.417 - You can't hear me? Okay. The self-insurance fund, I know that we're pulling the money out of the different 00:11:16.417 --> 00:11:24.764 - funds to be able to be used for self-insurance. But is there another dollar amount that the county has 00:11:24.764 --> 00:11:33.029 - to use for a budgeted amount that would be coming out of our general fund? Because I didn't see, that 00:11:33.029 --> 00:11:34.974 - was not clear on there. 00:11:35.074 --> 00:11:45.148 - No, the amount of money that you moved from, it was in the employee services fund was for the entire 00:11:45.148 --> 00:11:55.322 - general fund. So that was like 7.3 million, I believe. And that was then moved to the edit fund. That 00:11:55.322 --> 00:12:03.102 - was only for general fund. Okay, so we do not need to adjust the general fund 00:12:03.330 --> 00:12:10.430 - as long as the commissioners will allow that to happen. Correct. And that dollar amount was over seven 00:12:10.430 --> 00:12:17.668 - million. So that helps. And remember that grand total was seven million three hundred fifty two thousand 00:12:17.668 --> 00:12:24.423 - one hundred and nine dollars. Who's counting? All right. Next up, counselor Henry. And thank you. 00:12:24.423 --> 00:12:31.454 - Thank you, Carly, for walking through all that. I. Yeah, I mean, we're in the middle of the game here 00:12:31.454 --> 00:12:32.350 - right now. I 00:12:32.706 --> 00:12:39.496 - I am hopeful and optimistic that we'll continue to leverage the edit this year and potentially in the 00:12:39.496 --> 00:12:46.352 - next year or two. But there will be a moment where we can't. And so there's a long-term question about 00:12:46.352 --> 00:12:53.142 - that resource is doing its work now for us, for a variety of reasons, or hopefully we continue to use 00:12:53.142 --> 00:13:00.398 - that resource. But it does give me pause to say if it weren't there, we would be having a slightly different 00:13:00.398 --> 00:13:02.462 - conversation tonight, I think. 00:13:02.562 --> 00:13:08.935 - keeping an eye on subsequent years to come. I wanna pick up on Councilor Iverson's comment about the 00:13:08.935 --> 00:13:15.434 - CUME cap, the CUME bridge. And it strikes me that after the commissioner's presentation on CUME bridge 00:13:15.434 --> 00:13:21.807 - that we are still finding a lot of our IT stuff out of that. And those costs, if you think about the 00:13:21.807 --> 00:13:28.180 - costs there, of what we're seeing in that space, I'm not surprised about that deficit, but there are 00:13:28.180 --> 00:13:29.694 - some expenses that feel 00:13:30.306 --> 00:13:36.961 - There's a lot going on there. And likewise, when we've had other funds like this, they're not the general 00:13:36.961 --> 00:13:43.302 - fund. Last year, I think, when we took a deeper dive on some of these other funds to think about the 00:13:43.302 --> 00:13:49.894 - appropriation, encourage the finance managers for those funds to come back to us for additional approves 00:13:49.894 --> 00:13:56.926 - so we can understand the spending a little better might be something to consider for that as we're getting into 00:13:57.282 --> 00:14:04.511 - Subsequent meetings here, but this is a good. This is a good snapshot. I appreciate it Yes, and this 00:14:04.511 --> 00:14:11.669 - might have been in some of the information I did try to review as much of us I could but do we have 00:14:11.669 --> 00:14:18.898 - a grid yet as to Where we think with the other funds are going to have to be shored up and that will 00:14:18.898 --> 00:14:25.054 - then have to come out of the levy for the general fund it looked to me like maybe the 00:14:25.346 --> 00:14:34.336 - Election fund was short and perhaps reassessment was not funded enough, maybe aviation. And so we really 00:14:34.336 --> 00:14:43.412 - need to understand how much we need to save back out of that levy in general that might have to be spread 00:14:43.412 --> 00:14:46.494 - throughout some of the other funds. 00:14:51.874 --> 00:14:57.594 - Now we have the grid set up to where the levies are at where they were last year. And so we just put 00:14:57.594 --> 00:15:03.427 - those in as preliminary numbers. We know that there's expectation for that to shift at some point, but 00:15:03.427 --> 00:15:09.317 - we thought we would work through that together later on in the budget sessions. But for now, the entire 00:15:09.317 --> 00:15:12.318 - increase to the levy is applied to the general fund. 00:15:16.386 --> 00:15:23.985 - When I reviewed that, it didn't look like any of the other levy funds had an increase at all. It was 00:15:23.985 --> 00:15:31.734 - the exact same thing as it was this year. So if that's already been advertised that way, is that going 00:15:31.734 --> 00:15:39.333 - to be a problem for us to adjust it? It should not be a problem. We advertised across all funds 40%. 00:15:39.333 --> 00:15:45.502 - I think she's talking about the levy rates. So we can make adjustments as needed. 00:15:50.850 --> 00:15:59.035 - that further with our auditor, but I do not believe that that will be a problem. Maybe that's something 00:15:59.035 --> 00:16:07.614 - that can be addressed tomorrow on our fourth night. Definitely. Okay. Thank you. Any other further questions 00:16:07.614 --> 00:16:15.563 - before we get into our business? Okay. Seeing none, thank you. And we will go to the amended part of 00:16:15.563 --> 00:16:19.262 - the agenda. All right. Council, I move to open 00:16:19.394 --> 00:16:31.083 - fund 1000-0068 County General Commissioners and make a change in account line 30071 Community Access 00:16:31.083 --> 00:16:42.889 - TV. I want to set that line to $319,226. All right, we got a motion and a second. Michelle, would you 00:16:42.889 --> 00:16:47.518 - like to explain what this is all about? 00:16:48.066 --> 00:16:59.376 - Yes, we received an email from. The commissioners administrator stating that this is only half of a 00:16:59.376 --> 00:17:10.800 - year for the. Cats TV and that she did not budget for the entire amount. So I asked that we go ahead 00:17:10.800 --> 00:17:15.550 - and just amend that account line and then 00:17:16.194 --> 00:17:24.128 - to the requested amount that has been stated. All right, thank you very much for that. Any questions 00:17:24.128 --> 00:17:31.983 - or comments from council? Yes, councilor Williams. I haven't pulled up, so I can't see, but is this 00:17:31.983 --> 00:17:36.382 - line doubling? Essentially, the difference is $157,508. 00:17:44.386 --> 00:17:55.627 - We will move on to... Okay, that's right. May we please have a roll call vote? Councillor Feidl? Yes. 00:17:55.627 --> 00:18:07.089 - Councillor Hock? Yes. Councillor Wilts? Yes. Councillor Henry? Yes. Councillor Deckard? Yes. Councillor 00:18:07.089 --> 00:18:14.142 - Crosley? Yes. Councillor Iverson? Yes. Motion passes unanimous. 00:18:18.690 --> 00:18:28.372 - I'm sorry, sorry. I was told you I'm jacked up on caffeine. Okay. All right. So that motion carries. 00:18:28.372 --> 00:18:38.247 - Next up, we will go back into the flow of the agenda, starting with our clerk. Council, I move to open 00:18:38.247 --> 00:18:44.382 - for discussion and review funds 1000-0001 County General Clerk. 00:18:44.802 --> 00:18:54.186 - Fund 1119-0000. Clerk's record perpetuation. Fund 1215-0010. Election fund voter registration. And fund 00:18:54.186 --> 00:19:03.751 - 1215-0062. Election fund election board. Second. Okay. Thank you very much. We got a motion and a second. 00:19:03.751 --> 00:19:12.774 - And we are joined by the county clerk, Nicole Brown. Welcome. And I want to make sure TSD gives you 00:19:12.774 --> 00:19:14.398 - your time, right? 00:19:14.562 --> 00:19:21.724 - There we go. Which budget are we on? All of them. All of them. OK, I heard different. No, it's OK. Just 00:19:21.724 --> 00:19:28.610 - want to be sure I had them in the right order. Of course. Good evening, Madam Chair, members of the 00:19:28.610 --> 00:19:35.634 - council. Thank you for the opportunity to appear before you. I don't believe as we address any of the 00:19:35.634 --> 00:19:41.694 - clerk budgets tonight, there are significant deviations. I did meet with both liaisons. 00:19:42.146 --> 00:19:50.629 - and my budgets are pretty straightforward. Should you find anything about which you might have concerns, 00:19:50.629 --> 00:19:58.950 - I would offer that, and I got this number just this morning while I was at a conference, my office has 00:19:58.950 --> 00:20:06.302 - returned to Monroe County government $125,776.44 in the past 365 days, and so I am hopeful 00:20:06.434 --> 00:20:13.434 - that is for your unrestricted use because of my efforts to collect child support on behalf of Monroe 00:20:13.434 --> 00:20:20.573 - County. And so I would hope we'll be hopeful that that would assuage any concerns that you might have. 00:20:20.573 --> 00:20:27.574 - Should you see something that is concerning to you? Thank you. You can go through all of them. We go 00:20:27.574 --> 00:20:35.198 - through all of them. Yes, ma'am. I've never done it this way. It's been easy. So it's new. I appreciate that. 00:20:36.002 --> 00:20:49.548 - I guess I just want to answer your questions. They're they're not significant. Yeah, having no control 00:20:49.548 --> 00:21:03.358 - over the tens going into the twenties. We pretty much tried to stick to what we've asked for previously. 00:21:03.650 --> 00:21:12.202 - and not ask for more than that. I believe that this is the one where we actually returned a job back 00:21:12.202 --> 00:21:20.755 - to Monroe County. So it should be you should find that it is less money than what we have previously 00:21:20.755 --> 00:21:29.307 - asked for with respect to personnel. Do you have any questions about the general budget? Keep going. 00:21:29.307 --> 00:21:31.678 - OK, person or perpetuation. 00:21:32.194 --> 00:21:44.801 - same, um, no significant deviations and, um, please excuse me. I'm just making sure I'm on the right 00:21:44.801 --> 00:21:58.782 - one. Um, it's okay. Absolutely. You know, this is user driven. So, um, you know that I did not ask for anything 00:21:58.882 --> 00:22:08.281 - that would be outside of what we anticipate being able to spend. We do pay for personnel out of that 00:22:08.281 --> 00:22:18.051 - salary and, of course, all record maintenance. I can move on to voter registration. Ain't no significant 00:22:18.051 --> 00:22:24.286 - from nothing significantly more than what was asked for last year. 00:22:30.306 --> 00:22:39.354 - with election budget, I would only remind the council that with it being a municipal year, that the 00:22:39.354 --> 00:22:48.401 - city will be responsible for reimbursing a portion. It's not all of it, but it it's based on a math 00:22:48.401 --> 00:22:57.630 - formula that is created by somebody smarter than me. We will be asking for money for the Epoch books. 00:22:58.146 --> 00:23:06.501 - Um, it is time to replace those. And we did share that with our liaisons during that meeting. So that 00:23:06.501 --> 00:23:14.937 - that costs its time. Um, certainly we've done our best to give you our best estimate of what they will 00:23:14.937 --> 00:23:23.537 - cost. Um, but obviously that'll be a contract decided with the with the vendor, um, probably right after 00:23:23.537 --> 00:23:24.766 - the elections. 00:23:28.642 --> 00:23:35.676 - That is all four of my budgets, unless there is something you have significant concerns about. Let's 00:23:35.676 --> 00:23:42.850 - open it up, and did you? Sorry. Yeah, so I was just going to add to what she brought up, our equipment 00:23:42.850 --> 00:23:50.232 - line. She did mention we discussed that with our liaisons, and they did mention that we could potentially 00:23:50.232 --> 00:23:51.486 - pay that out of a 00:23:52.130 --> 00:23:58.057 - We included it in our budget, but there might be other avenues to pursue to pay that because it's kind 00:23:58.057 --> 00:24:04.041 - of an infrastructure thing where we need to replace all of our poll books and our server infrastructure 00:24:04.041 --> 00:24:09.910 - down at the election central. So we included it on our budget. But if we do, if we are able to handle 00:24:09.910 --> 00:24:15.779 - that through another avenue, then that won't be on the final budget. Thank you very much. I will open 00:24:15.779 --> 00:24:20.958 - it up to colleagues to see if they have any questions. Council Iverson. Thank you. I know 00:24:21.090 --> 00:24:27.763 - Unfortunately, Council member David Henry and I couldn't be at the same presentation, but we did enjoy 00:24:27.763 --> 00:24:34.307 - going through this with you. And I think it is my understanding that the election board has reviewed 00:24:34.307 --> 00:24:40.850 - these budgets and that there is bipartisan support. There is bipartisan support. They were given the 00:24:40.850 --> 00:24:47.588 - budgets at the same time you were and have had significant opportunity to express objections, concerns. 00:24:47.588 --> 00:24:49.726 - I have received none. But again, 00:24:50.146 --> 00:24:56.899 - I there is bipartisan support. We were trying to get a letter of support to read into the minutes. I 00:24:56.899 --> 00:25:03.986 - was at a conference today. I'm guessing we did not get the letter of support. But at last week's election 00:25:03.986 --> 00:25:10.873 - board meeting, the Republican board member did express that he was supportive of my budget request for 00:25:10.873 --> 00:25:17.559 - twenty twenty seven with respect to the election budget. Thank you. Other questions or comments for 00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:19.230 - the clerk on her budget? 00:25:20.002 --> 00:25:26.549 - Yes, Councilor Decker. I had a general question. If you all need to look at this and get back later, 00:25:26.549 --> 00:25:33.095 - you can. What is an average poll book, e-poll book cost these days? Sixteen hundred dollars. Sixteen 00:25:33.095 --> 00:25:39.772 - hundred dollars. And the average time they last or have lasted, what is that roughly? So we don't have 00:25:39.772 --> 00:25:46.318 - an estimated date, like amount of years that they've given us. But our last time purchasing the poll 00:25:46.318 --> 00:25:47.550 - books was in 2013. 00:25:48.258 --> 00:25:53.788 - I know we purchased them since 2013. I'm going to say it was right around the pandemic, so I'm going 00:25:53.788 --> 00:25:59.482 - to I'm going to guesstimate a five year shelf life. So the ones that we currently have are a generation 00:25:59.482 --> 00:26:05.176 - five iPad. We are going to be upgrading to a generation 11 iPad. We're actually currently having issues 00:26:05.176 --> 00:26:10.925 - with the pull books that we have right now. I'm trying to get the update to go through on them, so we're 00:26:10.925 --> 00:26:16.510 - troubleshooting with our vendor, but this is something that will definitely need to happen next year. 00:26:17.666 --> 00:26:25.248 - Well, and I like to ask questions like that for the public that listens, because this is a cost we wouldn't 00:26:25.248 --> 00:26:32.269 - have had back in the day. But a county also in this era can't, you can't thrive and do what you got 00:26:32.269 --> 00:26:39.641 - to do, particularly with the world out there on voting without it. And I also would say for our election 00:26:39.641 --> 00:26:44.766 - board members, that if we're really living into the use of e-poll books, 00:26:44.962 --> 00:26:51.188 - This would make a really good argument for what we spend on them for vote centers, because it would 00:26:51.188 --> 00:26:57.413 - allow you to flip around. And if anyone remembers back in the day of old voting systems of the Iron 00:26:57.413 --> 00:27:03.950 - Maiden days and the poll, which was the metal thing you went into to vote, and then the poll book itself 00:27:03.950 --> 00:27:10.238 - was a giant piece of paper that if it had an error or they got Deckard wrong, that's just out there. 00:27:10.338 --> 00:27:17.402 - This is like a modernized thing, and this would make a really good case for vote centers to lean into 00:27:17.402 --> 00:27:24.466 - the modern in a safe way so that voters working in the town could vote in the town, whatever town you 00:27:24.466 --> 00:27:31.461 - define that as, Steinsville or otherwise, and it just seems like this would be a natural thing to do 00:27:31.461 --> 00:27:32.638 - in a modern era. 00:27:32.994 --> 00:27:41.491 - Councilor Decker you were you and I were on the same path mentally because I was going to gently remind 00:27:41.491 --> 00:27:49.661 - you of the ABC poll books and that I served as a poll worker during that time so that who night and 00:27:49.661 --> 00:27:52.030 - day and having to check off. 00:27:52.194 --> 00:27:59.633 - you know, having to go find a voter. So it's so much easier, which allows us, of course, to be in compliance 00:27:59.633 --> 00:28:06.458 - with the Secretary of State's mandate that we send something out at 8 o'clock, 10 o'clock, midnight 00:28:06.458 --> 00:28:13.283 - if we're still there. And so that is at least in part why we are able to get you some of the totals 00:28:13.283 --> 00:28:16.286 - that we are able to get as early as we are. 00:28:16.930 --> 00:28:24.374 - you know, barring unforeseen circumstances because we no longer have to deal with those huge, huge poll 00:28:24.374 --> 00:28:31.675 - books. Thank you. I'll go to Councilor Henry and then Hawk President. I just had a chuckle down here. 00:28:31.675 --> 00:28:39.047 - This room's funny to me sometimes, but I agree with Councilor Deckard on the the vote center situation 00:28:39.047 --> 00:28:44.702 - there. Of course. And I have no control over why I know we tried and tried. So 00:28:44.802 --> 00:28:50.867 - I want to talk about the machines a little bit. So the account line is 692-600. I'm just doing math. 00:28:50.867 --> 00:28:57.232 - I mean, is that 400 ePollbooks? Like, how many iPads are we buying? So that's not just for the pollbooks. 00:28:57.232 --> 00:29:03.478 - We also have to replace our servers that we currently have for our HART equipment. That's what we input 00:29:03.478 --> 00:29:08.702 - all of the results into at the end of the night, and that totals everything up for us. 00:29:08.802 --> 00:29:16.414 - Those all have to be replaced. And in addition, we will be getting two extra ones so that we have backup 00:29:16.414 --> 00:29:24.098 - servers for in the future. I would like to add to this. So relying on my tech background here, the prices 00:29:24.098 --> 00:29:31.493 - for these are only going up. This is the quote that we have received a few weeks ago now. In the past 00:29:31.493 --> 00:29:36.350 - year, the price for memory has doubled. These prices have gone up. 00:29:36.578 --> 00:29:41.570 - And it's only going to continue to go up. So I would kind of stress some urgency on this. It would be 00:29:41.570 --> 00:29:46.268 - better to take care of it sooner rather than later because the price is only going to increase. 00:29:46.268 --> 00:29:51.357 - You're right. It's like 30 percent since last year in some of these cases. So this number is reflecting 00:29:51.357 --> 00:29:56.300 - 150 poll books to be replaced and the six servers. I really appreciate the depth there because it is 00:29:56.300 --> 00:30:01.438 - a large number. It is the difference and really the lion's share of the difference in the election fund. 00:30:01.438 --> 00:30:06.430 - I will ask the question because I think, Clerk, you mentioned it is a municipal year and there's some 00:30:06.626 --> 00:30:12.728 - magic math that I don't understand either. So I don't want to scare the voters. It is not magic math. 00:30:12.728 --> 00:30:18.711 - There's a formula that is scientific formula by very smart people, very smart people. And so so the 00:30:18.711 --> 00:30:24.694 - question is just that reimbursement process, how that works like so against the budget is presented 00:30:24.694 --> 00:30:30.796 - like what's the dollar figure we would expect to see. So of course we would have to wait and we can't 00:30:30.796 --> 00:30:34.206 - do anything prior to the election after the election and 00:30:34.594 --> 00:30:41.094 - Ms. Terry making sure that all of our valuable poll workers have been paid. Um, we start pulling the 00:30:41.094 --> 00:30:47.594 - bills together in the receipts and looking at how much the election cost us. And then, um, there are 00:30:47.594 --> 00:30:54.094 - some things we cannot charge for, but there are a lot of things that we can. And so, uh, the formula 00:30:54.094 --> 00:30:57.054 - for that is, is again above my pay grade, but 00:30:57.218 --> 00:31:03.339 - It does allow some money to come back to Monroe County, and that is for each election, the primary and 00:31:03.339 --> 00:31:08.926 - the general. I appreciate that this is the last time you'll have to do this. Praise the Lord. 00:31:09.090 --> 00:31:14.908 - But on your way out, you know, one one variable that's waiting for us is what happens in November in 00:31:14.908 --> 00:31:20.841 - Ellisville. Have you all started to put math together on what a potential municipal city of Ellisville 00:31:20.841 --> 00:31:26.602 - primary would do to this at all? I mean, it might be too soon to say, but I'm just curious. Yes, we 00:31:26.602 --> 00:31:32.362 - haven't done a lot of doing any math on this besides the looking at how many more polling locations 00:31:32.362 --> 00:31:36.510 - will have to open up because of it not just being inside of the city of 00:31:36.706 --> 00:31:43.248 - Bloomington will also have to extend to the polling locations that are in Ellitsville. So we would be 00:31:43.248 --> 00:31:49.726 - adding at least two additional, if not three, early vote, no, election day locations. And looking at 00:31:49.726 --> 00:31:56.203 - that, it will just depend on how many people we need to staff at each of those. We expect additional 00:31:56.203 --> 00:32:03.002 - tropes in this budget, probably, depending. OK, that was the budget question. Thank you, Madam President. 00:32:03.002 --> 00:32:05.054 - Thank you. Councilor Hook. Yes. 00:32:06.082 --> 00:32:16.940 - When I'm looking at the 4B, I think I'm looking at the right one, because there's two there. But it 00:32:16.940 --> 00:32:28.016 - is showing read by 987,100. Now, what am I missing here? That was going to be my question. Which fund 00:32:28.016 --> 00:32:33.662 - does the city respond to put reimbursements in for? 00:32:39.906 --> 00:32:49.464 - Which funds the city put money into for reimbursements for elections? I believe it's general fund, but 00:32:49.464 --> 00:32:59.301 - I can research that right now. What I'm looking at right now is. DLGF fund of 0102. And it's the election 00:32:59.301 --> 00:33:08.673 - red slash registration. And under the adopted amount, which is a lesser amount, it shows that we are 00:33:08.673 --> 00:33:09.694 - in the red 00:33:10.018 --> 00:33:27.120 - by $987,161. Am I, is there something I'm missing? That fund does have a deficit budget and does expect 00:33:27.120 --> 00:33:39.454 - to have the cash balance below zero at the end of 2027. After the address. 00:33:40.802 --> 00:33:51.802 - So just building on that, what we're saying is the budgets that we're talking about right now with the 00:33:51.802 --> 00:34:03.550 - second two of the four budgets are directly related to the election registration for B that we're looking at. 00:34:15.330 --> 00:34:24.999 - the solution that we talked about earlier was to change the levy. Yes, that is an option. Is it fair? 00:34:24.999 --> 00:34:34.953 - As we are just being presented and digesting a lot of information right now to the excess on this budget 00:34:34.953 --> 00:34:43.390 - fund analysis summary page that you just went over the excess in general as available to 00:34:43.842 --> 00:34:51.479 - move over directly. So in our heads, you know, rather than think, got to change the levy by x percent, 00:34:51.479 --> 00:34:58.967 - you know, we can kind of say, okay, that eats that much out of general that we no longer have extra. 00:34:58.967 --> 00:35:02.526 - Is that fair? It's simplified. That is correct. 00:35:02.658 --> 00:35:10.420 - We also need to be aware that the overall levy increased, I believe it's roughly $600,000. And so with 00:35:10.420 --> 00:35:18.332 - this fund having a deficit of almost two million, it's going to consume that, I don't know if I'm making 00:35:18.332 --> 00:35:25.868 - sense, it's going to consume more than the growth. So that's just something we have to be aware of. 00:35:25.868 --> 00:35:31.294 - And that's why we set the levies at where they are last year is to show 00:35:31.970 --> 00:35:38.936 - how much you're gonna have to move that around and how much of the increase in the overall levy each 00:35:38.936 --> 00:35:45.834 - fund is going to have to consume. So if this budget were to be passed right now, it would consume a 00:35:45.834 --> 00:35:53.076 - larger portion of the levy increase overall. Okay, so it's, I think what you're saying is it's not quite 00:35:53.076 --> 00:35:57.214 - as bad as it looks. And we also have that option of moving. 00:36:01.314 --> 00:36:07.640 - I do wanna, we didn't get our timer, but we are under the three minute, under the five minute mark, 00:36:07.640 --> 00:36:14.092 - we're at three minutes. So I'm gonna go to Councilor Fido since she hasn't asked the question. I just 00:36:14.092 --> 00:36:20.607 - wanted to raise a general question. I noticed that there was a decrease in election inspectors as well 00:36:20.607 --> 00:36:26.174 - as absentee boards and counters. And I wonder if that was because it's a city election. 00:36:27.106 --> 00:36:33.594 - Yes, it's a smaller election. I didn't hear everything you said, but I believe I got the gist of what 00:36:33.594 --> 00:36:40.145 - you said. And yes, it's a smaller election. It's about the election inspectors and judges and absentee 00:36:40.145 --> 00:36:46.760 - boards, encounters that were less. It's fewer because it's a smaller election. A small 20, 27, smaller. 00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:48.350 - Thank you. Anybody else? 00:36:52.002 --> 00:36:58.351 - Other further questions or comments from council on this item, I would like to congratulate you on your 00:36:58.351 --> 00:37:04.638 - last and final budget. I know this was a lot and thank you for your service that you have given to the 00:37:04.638 --> 00:37:10.865 - folks in the voters of Monroe County, plus your employees. I know your employees speak very highly of 00:37:10.865 --> 00:37:16.969 - you. I think highly of them. We see the emails. I think highly of them. Yes, yes. And I know you'll 00:37:16.969 --> 00:37:20.510 - continue to take great care of them long after I am gone. 00:37:22.082 --> 00:37:30.098 - and for all that you've done. Thank you. All right. Next up, maybe please have a roll call vote. Counselor 00:37:30.098 --> 00:37:38.115 - Iverson. Yes. Counselor Fiddle. Yes. Counselor Hawk. Counselor Wilts. Yes. Counselor Henry. Yes. Counselor 00:37:38.115 --> 00:37:45.082 - Deckard. Counselor Crossley. Yes. Motion passes unanimous. All right. She passed. Thank you. 00:37:45.082 --> 00:37:49.278 - Passed already, but she passed. I thought she said yes. 00:37:51.842 --> 00:38:07.129 - vote. Because it wasn't clear if you said yes or pass. I'm passing. Okay. All right. So not necessarily 00:38:07.129 --> 00:38:21.534 - unit 601. There you go. All right. Thank you. Answer Hawk. Can you pull your mic a little closer? 00:38:22.946 --> 00:38:31.261 - All right. Here we go. And next up is the Treasurer's Office. Council, I move to open for discussion 00:38:31.261 --> 00:38:39.658 - and review Fund 1000-0003 General Fund Treasurer. Second. All right. We got a motion and a second. We 00:38:39.658 --> 00:38:48.302 - are joined by the Treasurer, Ms. Kathy Smith. Welcome. Hi, everybody. Hope you're having a good evening. 00:38:48.302 --> 00:38:52.254 - Yes. Hopefully this budget will make you happy. 00:38:52.642 --> 00:39:01.350 - looks like we need some smiles up there, so hopefully this one will do it. Seriously? Okay, so as you 00:39:01.350 --> 00:39:09.887 - guys know, you proposed a 2% increase in salaries and we added those. However, our overall increase 00:39:09.887 --> 00:39:18.595 - in our budget is just 1.76%. If you take the $578,302 and divide it or subtract out the $568,280 that 00:39:18.595 --> 00:39:22.608 - we had this year, it's only a $10,000 increase 00:39:22.608 --> 00:39:31.618 - increase, $10,020, which isn't that much. And when you divide the larger by the smaller number, it's just a 1.76% 00:39:31.618 --> 00:39:39.522 - increase, which is less than 2% for raises. And you're probably thinking, how can we do that? Well, 00:39:39.522 --> 00:39:47.741 - we've had a person who was very long tenured and was at the very high end of the scale retire. And that 00:39:47.741 --> 00:39:51.614 - helped us show you a budget that's less than 2%. 00:39:51.938 --> 00:39:58.436 - We couldn't have done that. We can't sustain that because we only have, you know, she's gone now and 00:39:58.436 --> 00:40:04.870 - she's a wonderful person. You know, her name was Deborah Long. She worked here many years. She's an 00:40:04.870 --> 00:40:11.561 - absolutely amazing person. And we honor her by, you know, letting her retire and be happy. We will miss 00:40:11.561 --> 00:40:15.550 - her. She'll probably be back to work part-time in the spring. 00:40:15.810 --> 00:40:21.644 - But that's the only way we could do this because we did truly have some increases, small increases, 00:40:21.644 --> 00:40:26.078 - but some increases. Postage is going up. Printing is going up. And even the 00:40:26.210 --> 00:40:32.320 - The contract went up by a couple hundred bucks to do our equipment that allows us to process our checks 00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:38.372 - and do all those kind of things. However, losing that chunk of salary and having somebody come in with 00:40:38.372 --> 00:40:44.247 - no longevity, you can see longevity dropped and a salary drop, it just kind of took care of itself. 00:40:44.247 --> 00:40:50.299 - So it's less than that 2% threshold. So I hope that does somewhat make you guys happy tonight. It just 00:40:50.299 --> 00:40:52.414 - worked out. Sometimes math is good. 00:40:55.618 --> 00:41:03.760 - questions. Thank you. Let's see if council has any questions for the treasure. Council will have a tiny 00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:11.589 - increase in part time. Is that just to account for inflation? Or what do you what do you? Well, OK, 00:41:11.589 --> 00:41:19.730 - so if you look back at 24 expended, you'll see it was $32,000 and we're only asking for $32,000 in this 00:41:19.730 --> 00:41:25.054 - budget. So it's it's only less than the last couple of years, which 00:41:27.234 --> 00:41:33.122 - which we were kind of waiting for the changes. Now we're really seeing the changes come up in people's 00:41:33.122 --> 00:41:38.838 - tax bills. So it'd be a lot more explanations, a lot more discussing with them how they're not just 00:41:38.838 --> 00:41:44.611 - not their assessment change, but how their exemptions and the governor's new initiatives. Let's just 00:41:44.611 --> 00:41:50.270 - make it nice. The governor's new initiatives is a little confusing because a lot of people come in 00:41:50.722 --> 00:41:57.314 - by hand and pay their taxes tend to be older people, and they tend to be paying cash check or funds 00:41:57.314 --> 00:42:03.907 - that are readily available. And they really want to question, why did it go up? Why did it go down? 00:42:03.907 --> 00:42:10.829 - Is this right? Is my veteran still on here? Is this still on here? And now that the homestead did change 00:42:10.829 --> 00:42:17.619 - substantially, added credits, it also removed, mortgage deductions are gone. It just restructured. And 00:42:17.619 --> 00:42:20.190 - so it takes more time to explain that. 00:42:22.146 --> 00:42:28.106 - Thank you. Governor's initiatives is a nice way of putting it. I appreciate that, because I wouldn't 00:42:28.106 --> 00:42:34.006 - be. Yes, Councilor Henry. Thanks, and thank you for coming in. So on that part-time line as well, I 00:42:34.006 --> 00:42:39.966 - recall we had, over the last year, some challenges with seasonal hiring and people coming and going. 00:42:39.966 --> 00:42:46.279 - Is it the thought that the part-time people might be working a little more for the governor's initiatives? 00:42:46.279 --> 00:42:52.062 - Or how have you handled your part-time since last year? I think it wears them out, explaining it. 00:42:52.322 --> 00:42:58.167 - They tend to be older citizens who've worked, you know, were, you know, retired from banks, wonderful 00:42:58.167 --> 00:43:04.070 - people, work very, very hard, very good at cash, counting cash management, but it takes, it slows them 00:43:04.070 --> 00:43:09.801 - down and you get people who you explain something several times and they're still not quite getting 00:43:09.801 --> 00:43:15.875 - it, then they have to go get a full-time person. It pulls a full-time person away from, we try to process 00:43:15.875 --> 00:43:21.950 - things as fast as we can. We almost always get all the money we collected one day in the bank that night. 00:43:22.530 --> 00:43:28.788 - If that money comes in before 2.30, we get it in the bank that night. And think about that. When you're 00:43:28.788 --> 00:43:34.925 - getting the interest rate, my benchmark for interest rate is 4% and above. If it's a million dollars, 00:43:34.925 --> 00:43:41.002 - one day's worth of interest is a lot of money. And it is not a joke when I say cash can be a million 00:43:41.002 --> 00:43:47.079 - dollars in a day, not to mention checks and everything else. We want to get that in the bank as fast 00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:52.254 - as possible. And the few extra dollars it takes to have part time to help, that we're 00:43:52.450 --> 00:43:59.544 - that are really good workers pays for itself by far in interest. Other questions or comments? So if 00:43:59.544 --> 00:44:07.205 - you know of anyone who is, if you know of anybody who fits those criteria, especially very good at handling 00:44:07.205 --> 00:44:14.370 - money, because this group is aging, right? And we're going to be losing people. We really would love 00:44:14.370 --> 00:44:20.542 - to hear their names, and we'd love to have them come talk to us. It means a lot to us. 00:44:23.650 --> 00:44:32.149 - anybody else any questions or comments? Seeing none, may we please have a roll call vote. Councilor 00:44:32.149 --> 00:44:40.818 - Wilts? Yes. Councilor Henry? Yes. Councilor Deckard? Yes. Councilor Crossley? Yes. Councilor Iverson? 00:44:40.818 --> 00:44:49.487 - Yes. Councilor Feidl? Yes. Councilor Hawk? Yes. Motion passes unanimous. I do want to thank Marty for 00:44:49.487 --> 00:44:51.102 - being an excellent 00:44:51.362 --> 00:44:59.049 - She works very well with Christina Ellis, our chief deputy, and she understands some of the hardships 00:44:59.049 --> 00:45:06.811 - that people have that are either sick or elderly and trying to stay in their house. So she really does 00:45:06.811 --> 00:45:14.498 - understand that. And I direct a lot of people to talk to her. So thank you. Thank you. Doing the good 00:45:14.498 --> 00:45:21.054 - work. All right. Thank you very much for that. All right. Next up is one of two items. 00:45:21.186 --> 00:45:30.187 - um jail slash correctional center council i move to open for discussion review fund 1000 dash zero three 00:45:30.187 --> 00:45:38.844 - eight zero county general jail fund 1170 dash zero three eight zero public safety lit jail fund 1175 00:45:38.844 --> 00:45:48.702 - dash zero zero zero zero misdemeanor and fund one two three three dash zero zero zero zero lit correctional second 00:45:49.538 --> 00:45:56.783 - We got a motion and a second. We are joined by our sheriff, Mr. Ruben Marte, Mr. Jordan Miller, and 00:45:56.783 --> 00:46:04.318 - our jail commander, Kyle Gibbons. Welcome. Good evening, Council. Before I pass the floor on to Jordan, 00:46:04.318 --> 00:46:11.636 - he's going to do the majority of the actual explaining of the budget. There really is no increase in 00:46:11.636 --> 00:46:18.302 - the lines for us except for the medical line. And Jordan, get into that. Yes. Good evening. 00:46:18.626 --> 00:46:29.167 - really, I'll start with County General. There are no major changes. Sheriff Marta has said we anticipate 00:46:29.167 --> 00:46:39.506 - the potential need for additional funding and overtime, but that no changes have taken place in County 00:46:39.506 --> 00:46:45.630 - General. So. 1170 public safety lit. Again, no real changes. 00:46:46.498 --> 00:46:54.741 - You graciously gave us an additional appropriation in 24. I believe it was for meals and that seems 00:46:54.741 --> 00:47:03.396 - to be a very suitable amount and that has been very sufficient. So I'd like to thank you again for that. 00:47:03.396 --> 00:47:12.958 - Continuing on to the misdemeanor 1175 fund. Again, it's very straightforward. Nothing really worth noting. And then 00:47:13.346 --> 00:47:20.976 - on the correctional lit. I'd like to start off that one by giving a huge shout out to Kim Shell. She's 00:47:20.976 --> 00:47:28.679 - worked a lot with us and were able to make some of the changes I provided to you prior to this meeting, 00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:36.457 - specific to some changes that we're interested in making, essentially reducing funding for two positions 00:47:36.457 --> 00:47:41.790 - in an effort to redirect those funds to account for a contractual line. 00:47:42.114 --> 00:47:50.039 - specific to the funding associated with our transition team director. And again, I've provided you with 00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:58.193 - that update. One thing I would add, and I think it's worth noting in the correctional lit fund is specific 00:47:58.193 --> 00:48:06.119 - to the medical services. Again, as Sheriff Marte has stated, that's the only increase we're requesting. 00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:08.862 - We are in a situation where we will 00:48:09.026 --> 00:48:15.451 - need some additional appropriation for that. Unfortunately, we've had some high pool cap overages for 00:48:15.451 --> 00:48:21.751 - this year. And I don't know if the jail commander or others would like to go into detail about that 00:48:21.751 --> 00:48:28.050 - if you might be interested during the Q&A. However, those are just unfortunate parts of the medical 00:48:28.050 --> 00:48:34.349 - expense associated with the medical expense. I believe that's really the extent. Unless there's any 00:48:34.349 --> 00:48:37.310 - specific questions, I might be able to answer. 00:48:38.754 --> 00:48:45.262 - Thank you. I will go to Councilor Hawke and then Iverson next. Right. Thanks for working with us on 00:48:45.262 --> 00:48:51.771 - this. I understand you're saying that you might have to come for an additional yet this year on the 00:48:51.771 --> 00:48:58.344 - jail medical. Is that correct? That's correct. And have you notified the auditor's office so that we 00:48:58.344 --> 00:49:05.438 - can adjust because there's a place on our four B's that we have to put in there. This is what we anticipate. 00:49:05.698 --> 00:49:12.639 - you know, adjusting what our budget was for this year. We had to put in a place for additionals. Do 00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:20.136 - you know yet about what that additional is going to be? I am uncertain exact dollar figure. I can certainly 00:49:20.136 --> 00:49:27.355 - come up with a figure and present that to the auditor's office as well as our liaisons. It doesn't have 00:49:27.355 --> 00:49:34.366 - to be exact, but you know, because it's important that we look at that because that's a part of what 00:49:34.658 --> 00:49:41.826 - what the Home4B is about if we're going to spend more money than was appropriate to begin with. So that 00:49:41.826 --> 00:49:49.063 - would be a very good thing to do. And the other thing I wanted to mention on some of these budgets where 00:49:49.063 --> 00:49:56.438 - you've talked about over time, and I mentioned this briefly yesterday when we were talking about benefits, 00:49:56.438 --> 00:50:04.158 - you know, our benefits, we have great benefits. But when people take some of the benefits that they're offered, 00:50:04.450 --> 00:50:11.732 - That means they're going to be away from their workspace. And so somebody else has to pick up for the 00:50:11.732 --> 00:50:19.014 - hours that they're off on benefit time, on family leave time or whatever it might be. And that is not 00:50:19.014 --> 00:50:26.153 - a fault of you folks incorrectly budgeting, but just as you just don't always know when that person 00:50:26.153 --> 00:50:34.078 - might have to take a family leave time or whatever. Somebody else has got to pick up the reins and go with it. 00:50:34.530 --> 00:50:40.230 - So I think we need to remember that. And I can elaborate on that just a little bit because when we talk 00:50:40.230 --> 00:50:45.766 - about our overtime budget and we talk about medical, it kind of works hand in hand with one another. 00:50:45.766 --> 00:50:51.248 - So as you said, the coverage is when people are off. I have never been in a place where you have so 00:50:51.248 --> 00:50:56.126 - much time off in a year. I don't get to take it because Phil Parker doesn't let me, but. 00:50:56.866 --> 00:51:02.494 - People take it, and they deserve it. I'm not saying anything about that, but here's what I am saying, 00:51:02.494 --> 00:51:08.123 - especially when, and I don't want to go too much into detail about some of the things that we have to 00:51:08.123 --> 00:51:13.310 - care for in terms of sickness and stuff that happens, but it costs a lot of money, medically. 00:51:13.698 --> 00:51:18.583 - to provide continued service for people at the hospital, especially when they're there for weeks at 00:51:18.583 --> 00:51:23.565 - a time. And that also requires us to staff those positions. So when Jordan's talking about not having 00:51:23.565 --> 00:51:28.499 - a number, and I know what you're saying, put something together. We get that. But we never know from 00:51:28.499 --> 00:51:33.383 - day to day. All of a sudden, somebody gets diagnosed with cancer, we're sitting at the hospital for 00:51:33.383 --> 00:51:38.366 - the rest of the year. And we had the issue with the merit that he's experienced with the guy being in 00:51:38.366 --> 00:51:40.222 - Indianapolis that we needed to cover. 00:51:40.354 --> 00:51:46.819 - When they came back to the jail, we were back and forth to the burn unit every three days to change 00:51:46.819 --> 00:51:53.478 - bandages and all that. So that's part of the issue. It all kind of works really hand in hand together, 00:51:53.478 --> 00:52:00.202 - unfortunately. And that's one of the things we just can't predict. It's a day to day thing where people 00:52:00.202 --> 00:52:06.667 - in that facility, if they wanted to get attention one way or the other, we have to respond to that. 00:52:06.667 --> 00:52:08.606 - And that is medical at times. 00:52:11.266 --> 00:52:17.894 - Yes. Counselor Wilkes. Oh, you know, I will go Iverson and then Wilkes. Sorry. I want to stay on this 00:52:17.894 --> 00:52:24.391 - medical services line and I'm going to come at it from a different angle here because mostly out of 00:52:24.391 --> 00:52:30.954 - curiosity. Do you have the year over year rate of growth that what we have invested last year versus 00:52:30.954 --> 00:52:37.906 - what we invested this year or what you're asking for this year? Do you know how much your health insurance 00:52:37.906 --> 00:52:38.686 - is growing? 00:52:39.714 --> 00:52:51.476 - I don't have that figure currently with me and I apologize for that. If you look on the screen, I have 00:52:51.476 --> 00:53:02.782 - it highlighted. For 2026, it was 1.6 million. They're asking for 1.7, so there's a $76,000 change. 00:53:03.010 --> 00:53:08.454 - Last week, we talked a lot about self-insurance and about the medical costs for our other employees. 00:53:08.454 --> 00:53:14.060 - And this is just something that we're trying to wrap our heads around as we're looking into the future, 00:53:14.060 --> 00:53:19.503 - that medical costs just keep going up and up and up. And so we want to keep our heads wrapped around 00:53:19.503 --> 00:53:24.893 - these. So thank you for including this. Well, and specifically, as it pertains to the contract, our 00:53:24.893 --> 00:53:30.014 - medical service, well, any medical service in a correctional center, pulls from the community. 00:53:30.370 --> 00:53:35.868 - local hospitals, they take surrounding hospitals into consideration when they're talking about increase 00:53:35.868 --> 00:53:41.261 - in salary, increase in cost. So we always have to take that into consideration every year as well. 3C 00:53:41.261 --> 00:53:46.707 - has done an incredible job for us ensuring that our costs stay down. It's a relationship that we built 00:53:46.707 --> 00:53:52.100 - with them a couple of years ago when we brought them in and they've they've continued to work with us 00:53:52.100 --> 00:53:57.387 - where they are higher in other places. They understand that our mental health needs are higher than 00:53:57.387 --> 00:54:00.030 - just about everywhere else around us, especially. 00:54:00.610 --> 00:54:08.501 - And I will add, just based on some of the calculations I did perform today, we have an unexpended balance 00:54:08.501 --> 00:54:16.019 - of approximately $185,000 at this point, which is essentially in comparison to where we're at within 00:54:16.019 --> 00:54:23.463 - the year, looking at about 11% remaining. And just to elaborate on some of those pool cap overages, 00:54:23.463 --> 00:54:29.790 - just this most recent invoice we received had a total of approximately $26,500 above 00:54:30.082 --> 00:54:37.278 - that pool cap that we have to pay from our medical line. So and we've experienced a number of months 00:54:37.278 --> 00:54:44.403 - that have, you know, in relation to that, if that helps. Yeah, that does. Thank you so much. That's 00:54:44.403 --> 00:54:51.742 - my question. So. Oh, it's okay. That's great. Councillor Henry. I'll take your time and mine. Awesome. 00:54:52.066 --> 00:54:58.688 - Thank you for coming in. I want to talk about in the merit deputy lines, kind of a hidden cost of something 00:54:58.688 --> 00:55:04.819 - I observed when I did a ride along, which seems like too long ago at this point, probably should do 00:55:04.819 --> 00:55:11.073 - another one. When we have deputies on duty and patrol, right, or out doing their work, the demands on 00:55:11.073 --> 00:55:12.606 - your time for transport. 00:55:12.834 --> 00:55:18.449 - And what I mean by that, you know, if we have to transport someone out of county, out of state, 00:55:18.449 --> 00:55:24.414 - you know, you know about that. Also, the transport service that we are, I guess, mandated to provide. 00:55:24.642 --> 00:55:30.676 - through IU Health, right, to like Meadows, for example, I think that's it, right, or to a mental health 00:55:30.676 --> 00:55:36.594 - facility. The shift I got to ride on, you know, we spent a considerable amount of time at IU Hospital 00:55:36.594 --> 00:55:42.511 - or IU Health waiting to move somebody from A to B, and it dawned on me just, you know, how much of an 00:55:42.511 --> 00:55:48.603 - FT's time was not on the road doing other things as a matter of routine. Do you have that data somewhere 00:55:48.603 --> 00:55:50.750 - that, like, year in, year out, like, 00:55:51.010 --> 00:55:56.202 - how many hours we're talking about where a deputy can be pulled into a transport situation where they 00:55:56.202 --> 00:56:01.546 - have to leave the county or the state or be sitting at the hospital parking lot. And because I'm curious 00:56:01.546 --> 00:56:06.738 - about if that's adding up to another deputy is really what I'm asking. It's not here, but it is here, 00:56:06.738 --> 00:56:11.878 - right? It's kind of a hidden cost of operating. But yeah, so comment about that tonight. Yeah, I can 00:56:11.878 --> 00:56:16.510 - comment on that a little bit. First of all, this is the correctional center. The merits is 00:56:16.610 --> 00:56:21.668 - the ones after us. We didn't get there yet. I may have jumped ahead. But we both do it. So you're not 00:56:21.668 --> 00:56:26.776 - wrong. We both share that burden. The sheriff's office is an agent on the court, and when we are court 00:56:26.776 --> 00:56:31.982 - ordered to transport, we provide that transport. And a lot of the time, the jail does that, specifically 00:56:31.982 --> 00:56:37.040 - so we don't have to pull mayor deputies off the road that are providing public service. But there are 00:56:37.040 --> 00:56:42.297 - times where, for instance, we're not going to send a corrections officer to someone's house in an unknown 00:56:42.297 --> 00:56:46.462 - when they're not trained in that environment. If there's somebody from the hospital 00:56:46.722 --> 00:56:53.159 - Meadows, we provide that in the jail. We share that cost. And on the jail side, we do have a transport 00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:59.595 - log that documents time and mileage and officers going in the number of people and individuals. It may 00:56:59.595 --> 00:57:06.469 - be useful for when the day comes. I'm sure I say when, not if. But when the day comes where we are approached 00:57:06.469 --> 00:57:13.406 - for additional FTEs, that's a data set that may be incredibly useful for me to understand where that fits in a 00:57:13.570 --> 00:57:21.521 - the totality of a budget. I don't think we talk about it enough. It is really granular, but I have a 00:57:21.521 --> 00:57:29.473 - hunch that it's adding up to a human. It's getting harder and harder every year, actually. Thank you 00:57:29.473 --> 00:57:37.424 - for that. Thank you, Madam President. Yes. The other thing I want to remind folks is that, you know, 00:57:37.424 --> 00:57:43.486 - they're 24-7. They don't take off for the Fourth of July or whatever. And so 00:57:44.898 --> 00:57:52.106 - I would assume that some of those folks that are serving on what everybody else has a holiday for, they 00:57:52.106 --> 00:57:59.175 - get some kind of holiday pay or something of the sort. That wouldn't matter how many deputies we had. 00:57:59.175 --> 00:58:06.175 - The people that work the holidays deserve to be paid some kind of a holiday pay if they don't get to 00:58:06.175 --> 00:58:07.422 - take the holiday. 00:58:07.650 --> 00:58:18.191 - So I think those are things that we have to be reminded of, that our jail and our sheriff's department 00:58:18.191 --> 00:58:28.630 - operates different than some of the other offices. Anybody else have any other questions or comments? 00:58:28.630 --> 00:58:37.022 - Okay. Oh, sorry, Councilor Wilks. Are the medical expenditures likely to decrease 00:58:39.394 --> 00:58:48.831 - with a new facility that might have more medical capability within the jail setting. So obviously you're 00:58:48.831 --> 00:58:57.998 - not thinking, I don't know, so I shouldn't say obviously, but I'm not picturing there's a hospital in 00:58:57.998 --> 00:59:03.390 - your jail in our next lifetime when this hopefully happens. 00:59:03.874 --> 00:59:09.840 - I would think that there would be some things that could be taken in-house that currently aren't. Yeah, 00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:15.691 - that's actually a great question. Right now we don't have a capability. There are times where we have 00:59:15.691 --> 00:59:21.541 - to send somebody to the hospital because we just can't provide the care in the building that we have, 00:59:21.541 --> 00:59:27.966 - in the space that we have. There are a good amount of things that we could manage inside the jail, depending on 00:59:28.162 --> 00:59:34.400 - the facility layout and build in the new facility in the pretend jail that we're always talking about. 00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:40.457 - But yeah, we could definitely, there are specific things like bandage changings and stuff like that 00:59:40.457 --> 00:59:46.756 - where we don't have to take them out. Now, there are something like burn units. We don't have somewhere 00:59:46.756 --> 00:59:52.813 - local. We had to go to Indianapolis for that. But yeah, definitely, we could provide more care with 00:59:52.813 --> 00:59:55.902 - more space and more capabilities. So yeah. Thanks. 00:59:58.850 --> 01:00:06.689 - Seeing no other further questions, we need to go back to Council Iverson so he can make his amendments 01:00:06.689 --> 01:00:14.604 - earlier. All right, Council, I'm going to be making the amendments off this sheet that we received just 01:00:14.604 --> 01:00:22.366 - moments ago. So if you want to reference that, you can. Council, I move in Fund 1233-0000 to set Line 01:00:22.366 --> 01:00:25.182 - 10648, Corrections Officer, to zero. 01:00:25.602 --> 01:00:32.740 - Simultaneously to set line one zero six four nine corrections officer to zero and that will resulting 01:00:32.740 --> 01:00:39.809 - in setting line one eight zero zero one self insurance to one two six two six six that's one hundred 01:00:39.809 --> 01:00:46.947 - twenty six thousand two hundred sixty six dollars. Also result in line eighteen one oh one FICA to be 01:00:46.947 --> 01:00:52.126 - set to forty three thousand three hundred sixty three dollars and finally 01:00:52.258 --> 01:00:59.196 - That will also mean that we'll need to set line 18201 perf to $78,957. All right, we got a motion and 01:00:59.196 --> 01:01:06.066 - a second. Is there any additional questions or comments on this? I know we heard the conversation of 01:01:06.066 --> 01:01:13.004 - this yesterday. Yes, counselor Iverson. And Michelle, I just want to make sure that all of those FICA 01:01:13.004 --> 01:01:20.077 - and perf numbers, are they're all good? Yes, I worked with Jordan this afternoon. We came up with these 01:01:20.077 --> 01:01:21.982 - numbers and we both agreed. 01:01:22.786 --> 01:01:29.685 - And it might be worth that. And just in case you were maybe noted them, the figure that was brought 01:01:29.685 --> 01:01:36.791 - to you last night, we brought to you a figure that was based or represented a base pay for an officer. 01:01:36.791 --> 01:01:43.759 - In this case today, we essentially associated those two lines in question and we just removed those. 01:01:43.759 --> 01:01:50.727 - It's a minor difference, but it's a greater cost savings. Any other further questions or comments on 01:01:50.727 --> 01:01:51.486 - this item? 01:01:53.026 --> 01:02:00.885 - Seeing none, can we please have a roll call vote on the amended items? Councillor Henry? Yes. Councillor 01:02:00.885 --> 01:02:08.743 - Deckard? Yes. Councillor Crosley? Yes. Councillor Iverson? Yes. Councillor Feidl? Yes. Councillor Hawke? 01:02:08.743 --> 01:02:16.677 - Yes. Councillor Wilts? Yes. Motion passes unanimously. Thank you and I understand that Councillor Iverson 01:02:16.677 --> 01:02:18.398 - has another amendment. 01:02:18.498 --> 01:02:30.958 - Yes, I moved the in fund 1233-0000. That is lit correctional. We set line 30006 contractual to $110,000. 01:02:30.958 --> 01:02:43.774 - Okay. We got a motion and a second. Is there any other questions or comments on this item? Council Iverson. 01:02:48.290 --> 01:02:54.191 - It would be nice just to hear an explanation of, you know, where this is coming from and and what, 01:02:54.191 --> 01:03:00.271 - you know, just a narrative on this on these changes and moving the contractual to one hundred and ten 01:03:00.271 --> 01:03:06.469 - thousand dollars. Yeah. Yes. So essentially the transition team director position based on the contract 01:03:06.469 --> 01:03:12.668 - is one hundred and ten thousand dollars based on the way it's paid out. So essentially it'd be December 01:03:12.668 --> 01:03:17.854 - through November because December is paid in January, which is part of the requirement 01:03:17.986 --> 01:03:24.349 - and the inability for us to use ARPA funding. So this takes this 110,000 that pays for December through 01:03:24.349 --> 01:03:30.834 - November, which November is paid out in December, essentially for that transition team director position. 01:03:30.834 --> 01:03:37.075 - Thank you very much. It is always awkward when a council member makes a motion to move some money and 01:03:37.075 --> 01:03:43.499 - there's no background. My apologies. No, no, no. You say it better than I could. So as a quick question, 01:03:43.499 --> 01:03:46.558 - so this goes through December of twenty seven or? 01:03:47.106 --> 01:03:55.464 - The payment, it goes through payment for December 26 through payment made in December of 27. Yes. So 01:03:55.464 --> 01:04:03.740 - December time worked would be paid out in January of 28. Gotcha. So this will might be a discussion 01:04:03.740 --> 01:04:12.181 - that will happen next year to extend the contract again. Correct. Okay. Okay. Council. We're creating 01:04:12.181 --> 01:04:15.326 - a new line for this. Is that correct? 01:04:16.162 --> 01:04:24.711 - And is that because the previous contractual line is within ARPA? Correct. Okay. Yes, and this fund 01:04:24.711 --> 01:04:33.430 - does not have a contractual line, so by adding it, yeah. Yeah, previously we provided invoices to our 01:04:33.430 --> 01:04:42.064 - commissioner's office to handle those ARPA contracts. Okay, perfect, thank you. Yes, Councilor Honk. 01:04:42.064 --> 01:04:43.774 - Yes, clarification. 01:04:43.970 --> 01:04:51.152 - because this is a contract and the contract is with the sheriff's office. Correct. I mean, a lot of 01:04:51.152 --> 01:04:58.477 - contracts go to the commissioner's office and the ARPA one would have had to. But it seems to me this 01:04:58.477 --> 01:05:05.731 - contract would not have to. If I understand that correctly, you could just decide what you're doing. 01:05:05.731 --> 01:05:13.918 - Yeah, that's a contract that could be signed by the sheriff. So I want to make certain we were all clear on that. 01:05:16.834 --> 01:05:26.306 - and Ford. OK, any other questions or comments? OK, so with that being said, maybe please have a roll 01:05:26.306 --> 01:05:35.871 - call vote on this amendment. Councillor Decker. Yes. Councillor Crosley. Yes. OK. Councillor Iverson. 01:05:35.871 --> 01:05:45.718 - Yes. Councillor Fiddle. Yes. Councillor Hawke. Yes. Wilts. Yes. And Councillor Henry. Yes. Motion passes 01:05:45.718 --> 01:05:46.750 - unanimous. 01:05:47.810 --> 01:05:57.821 - Thank you. And then, yes, Council. Oh, OK, sorry. You and your microphone are having fun down there 01:05:57.821 --> 01:06:08.333 - tonight. OK, so can we please have a roll call vote on the overall correctional center budget? Councilor 01:06:08.333 --> 01:06:16.542 - Crosley, yes. Councilor Iverson, yes. Councilor Feidl, yes. Councilor Hawke, yes. 01:06:17.634 --> 01:06:24.789 - Councilor Wilts. Henry. Councilor Decker. Yes. Motion passes unanimous. Thank you. All right. 01:06:24.789 --> 01:06:32.781 - Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. Looks like you get to stick around a little bit longer here. You're 01:06:32.781 --> 01:06:41.153 - welcome. All right. And next up, we will go with the sheriff's office. Council, I move to open for discussion 01:06:41.153 --> 01:06:47.166 - and review funds. One thousand dash zero zero zero five county general office. 01:06:47.266 --> 01:06:59.786 - Fund 1000-0626 County General Animal Control. Fund 1170-0005 Public Safety Lit Sheriff. Fund 1156-0000 01:06:59.786 --> 01:07:12.064 - Firearms Training. Fund 4009-0000 Sheriff's Sale Administration. Fund 4107-0000 Donations, Sheriff's 01:07:12.064 --> 01:07:16.926 - Department. And finally, Fund 4108-0000 01:07:17.186 --> 01:07:23.414 - donations sheriff canine. All right. We got a motion and a second. We are now joined by Chief Deputy 01:07:23.414 --> 01:07:29.766 - Phil Parker and Miss Jamie Yankee. Welcome. Thank you. So here once again before I pass the floor down 01:07:29.766 --> 01:07:36.056 - to Jamie there is no increase in any line except for for the pension line. And if we need to get into 01:07:36.056 --> 01:07:40.126 - that then the chief will get more specific into the pension line. 01:07:43.554 --> 01:07:50.698 - So like the sheriff said, the only increase that we have is with the pension. The only note of is we 01:07:50.698 --> 01:07:58.125 - currently have five vacancies with the possibility of having another one come January. So we'll probably 01:07:58.125 --> 01:08:05.411 - be coming back for overtime. I anticipate us succeeding that as we've already done that this year with 01:08:05.411 --> 01:08:11.070 - like two openings. So that's the only thing I would note with the general fund. 01:08:12.002 --> 01:08:20.764 - keep on going through all the funds. Yeah. Animal control that one. The only change would be the animal 01:08:20.764 --> 01:08:29.189 - inner local. We don't have the 2027 amounts yet. Um, I'm not sure when the city is going to provide 01:08:29.189 --> 01:08:37.783 - that. Molly. I don't know. Molly, do you know? I don't, but I can check with Mr Cockrell to make sure 01:08:37.783 --> 01:08:41.406 - that he hasn't received it. That's it with 01:08:41.794 --> 01:08:51.889 - animal control, nothing with 1170 PS lit, except for overtime. Firearms training, no change there. Same 01:08:51.889 --> 01:09:01.888 - thing with the sheriff sales and tax warrants and our donations, both the canine and the sheriff ones. 01:09:01.888 --> 01:09:10.430 - All right. Pretty straightforward. Yeah. All right. Well, anything else from the table? 01:09:11.042 --> 01:09:18.259 - No? Okay. Let's go to Council. Ms. Wilts, you want to start us off? I do think that it would be valuable 01:09:18.259 --> 01:09:25.201 - to hear a little bit about the pension line and the reasoning. I know I talked with you all about it 01:09:25.201 --> 01:09:32.212 - already, but. So where that comes from is the valuation that our actuaries do when they do a study of 01:09:32.212 --> 01:09:34.686 - the pension. They do it every year. 01:09:35.298 --> 01:09:43.251 - So they come back with a recommendation, it's called the ARC, an annual required contribution, and they 01:09:43.251 --> 01:09:51.663 - recommend it in three different phases. One is a minimum, one's a recommended, and then one is an accelerated 01:09:51.663 --> 01:09:59.998 - ARC. So what that means is the minimum is a 20-year amortization, the recommended is a 15-year amortization, 01:10:00.162 --> 01:10:07.136 - and accelerated as a 10-year amortization. And what that means is that amortization means is you're 01:10:07.136 --> 01:10:14.180 - paying off the unfunded liability. And if you just take it in the simple terms like a home mortgage, 01:10:14.180 --> 01:10:21.363 - that if you have a 30-year mortgage, you're going to pay more in interest over the course of that loan 01:10:21.363 --> 01:10:28.755 - than if you have a 20-year, than if you have a 15-year. It's the same concept. So that unfunded liability 01:10:28.755 --> 01:10:29.662 - is basically 01:10:31.970 --> 01:10:39.066 - It is the amount of promised benefits that the plan has promised to pay out that is in excess of what 01:10:39.066 --> 01:10:46.302 - is currently set aside to pay them. So when you look at our pension fund, you will see I think I should 01:10:46.302 --> 01:10:53.259 - have looked at the last valuation, but we were somewhere in the high 70 percent funded. So you have 01:10:53.259 --> 01:11:00.216 - about a 30 percent roughly or 20 percent roughly, maybe 25 percent unfunded liability. That is what 01:11:00.216 --> 01:11:01.886 - they are talking about. 01:11:03.138 --> 01:11:11.178 - What I always caution bodies like this, when you look at those, when you first look at that amount, 01:11:11.178 --> 01:11:19.621 - you look and go, well, we should pay the minimum. And for the immediacy, that's, I can see why you would 01:11:19.621 --> 01:11:24.606 - make that decision, but if you're looking over the long haul, 01:11:25.026 --> 01:11:33.974 - Just like you would if you had a 30-year mortgage or 20-year mortgage, you're going to pay less over 01:11:33.974 --> 01:11:42.922 - the long haul if you land on the recommended or the accelerated. The minimum is required so that you 01:11:42.922 --> 01:11:52.136 - don't fall below a certain standard and your pension goes unfunded. The pension is dissolved, so you're 01:11:52.136 --> 01:11:54.174 - faced with the minimum 01:11:54.562 --> 01:12:03.760 - the best, but those. Those different levels put you in a category where you're you're attacking. Paying 01:12:03.760 --> 01:12:12.958 - off those that unfunded liability quicker if you do, if that makes sense. Infunded liability calculated 01:12:12.958 --> 01:12:21.979 - across the state and all of the departments or is it specific to you specific to our plan? Yes. Yeah, 01:12:21.979 --> 01:12:24.190 - each Sheriff's Office in 01:12:24.290 --> 01:12:35.737 - in the state has their own pension plan believe it or not. It's kind of wild. Yeah. And you all budgeted 01:12:35.737 --> 01:12:47.184 - for which level? Budgeted for the accelerated. That's all I have. I just wanted to hear that explanation 01:12:47.184 --> 01:12:50.782 - kind of in public because we had 01:12:54.178 --> 01:13:00.845 - Anybody else have any questions or comments? Yes, Councillor Henry. Thank you. Thank you, Chief, for 01:13:00.845 --> 01:13:07.644 - being here. I'll just re-ask the question I asked on the jail side about the transport challenges that 01:13:07.644 --> 01:13:14.245 - merit deputies face moving folks around the county on behalf of calls to IU Health or out of county 01:13:14.245 --> 01:13:20.978 - or out of state. Does that data that you have on your side as well? We do. Matter of fact, I think we 01:13:20.978 --> 01:13:22.430 - did a pretty in-depth 01:13:22.850 --> 01:13:29.762 - data study on that within the last year to show the the increased burden that that has that has brought 01:13:29.762 --> 01:13:36.806 - to the merit side because as the jail commander said you know if we're transporting from you know someone 01:13:36.806 --> 01:13:43.585 - you know gets ill or or injured in the facility to a hospital that the jail normally handles that but 01:13:43.585 --> 01:13:50.364 - when we get a court order for you know this person needs an emergency detention our mayor officers go 01:13:50.364 --> 01:13:52.158 - out and get that person or 01:13:52.290 --> 01:13:58.819 - You know, we had one instance where we had an individual in Pennsylvania we had to go up and get. So 01:13:58.819 --> 01:14:05.478 - those have increased incredibly over the last three or four years. So we, I'm sitting here saying, and 01:14:05.478 --> 01:14:12.137 - Randy Jacobs might call me on my way home and say, what are you doing to me? But I know that we looked 01:14:12.137 --> 01:14:18.602 - into that and I think we have that at our fingertips and we probably need to update it a little bit 01:14:18.602 --> 01:14:20.606 - before we can get that to you. 01:14:20.802 --> 01:14:28.326 - be useful. I appreciate it. Yes, sir. I am on the way to this sheriff's site. The sheriff's site came 01:14:28.326 --> 01:14:36.145 - up. But like the chief said, the transportation has increased for us, whereas our numbers on the deputy's 01:14:36.145 --> 01:14:43.965 - side has reduced. So you can't imagine the stress that we are under when we get those orders to transport 01:14:43.965 --> 01:14:47.358 - someone. And I could tell you, when we had to 01:14:47.618 --> 01:14:56.619 - go to Pennsylvania, pick someone up and come back. That was no easy task based on the manpower that 01:14:56.619 --> 01:15:05.709 - we have at the present time. And it's worse now as opposed to when that happened. Thank you. Anybody 01:15:05.709 --> 01:15:13.630 - else have any other questions or comments? I'll wait until we get to the next next one. 01:15:14.658 --> 01:15:24.467 - the public safety tax. Well, this is it. So can you want me to go ahead and come in on the public safety 01:15:24.467 --> 01:15:34.183 - one? Yeah, we think they have read everything out loud. So go ahead. And when I'm looking at. It's just 01:15:34.183 --> 01:15:43.806 - for us to be knowledgeable is that when you look at at the four B. The public safety tax. It's getting 01:15:44.130 --> 01:15:51.661 - is doing an adjustment upwards of this. And so that will probably put more money into that at some point 01:15:51.661 --> 01:15:59.192 - in time. But it actually is going to be a part of the whole 1.2 when we get through with all this moving 01:15:59.192 --> 01:16:06.364 - around with what somebody said what the governor did. I don't think the governor did it on his own. 01:16:06.364 --> 01:16:14.110 - But at any rate, I just thought you would want to look at the overall public safety tax, which you rely on. 01:16:14.466 --> 01:16:23.508 - is ending up the operating balance at the end of twenty twenty seven. A million three eight four. It's 01:16:23.508 --> 01:16:32.287 - anticipated. And yet it starts that June 30th of this year at two point eight million. And then you 01:16:32.287 --> 01:16:41.241 - get in your other one point seven million. And so we can see that the non property tax revenue, which 01:16:41.241 --> 01:16:42.558 - is all then is 01:16:42.914 --> 01:16:51.103 - at 4,168,000, and yet we're going to be spent down at the end of 2027 to 1,003,000. So I'm just saying 01:16:51.103 --> 01:16:59.133 - we've got to watch this until we get to when we start throwing all of these funds together. And it's 01:16:59.133 --> 01:17:06.686 - not just you. You're not the only one who's using the public safety checks, but just heads up. 01:17:10.530 --> 01:17:19.982 - Anybody else have any other questions or comments on this item? Yes, Councilor Williams. I just want 01:17:19.982 --> 01:17:30.088 - to clarify so that everyone is hearing the same things. Yes, the PS lit rate is going up, but it's specific 01:17:30.088 --> 01:17:40.382 - to PSAP. And so the allocations, I mean, there'll be the growth quotient, but there won't be like extra funds 01:17:40.546 --> 01:17:51.890 - for distribution because of the increase. Oh, then we really better be watching. I was emphasizing your 01:17:51.890 --> 01:18:03.343 - point. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. OK. Last call for any other questions or comments on this item. Very much. 01:18:03.343 --> 01:18:09.342 - And we will go to a roll call vote. Councillor Fiddle. 01:18:10.210 --> 01:18:25.052 - Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 01:18:25.052 --> 01:18:36.926 - Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 01:18:37.794 --> 01:18:45.001 - That concludes our budget review for the day. Stay tuned for budget session number four. If you are 01:18:45.001 --> 01:18:52.209 - interested, you have a few minutes to go down to City Hall for their deliberative session. OK, with 01:18:52.209 --> 01:18:57.182 - that being said, we are recessed until tomorrow at 5 p.m. Thank you.