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- So we are going to go ahead and get started. I know we were waiting on one more council person, but

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- we have a quorum here and not to hold up the business of everybody because you're here for a good time,

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- not a long time. And so we will go ahead and get started. So I welcome everybody to tonight budget work

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- session number five. We have a quorum of council members present.

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- We have council members Spidal, Wilts, Deckard, Iverson and Henry and then looks like online virtually

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- joining us is council member Hawke. So we will go ahead and do our business. Does anybody wish to make

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- any type of changes to tonight's agenda? Okay, Iverson.

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- Yes, Madam President and Council, I move to amend tonight's agenda to add item four B reopening fund

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- 1000 dash 0626 County General Animal Control immediately following our budget review and before item

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- number five, which is tabled from the from the September 10th budget session. Second. All right, we

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- got a motion and a second. Is there any questions or comments on this motion? All right, see

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- on. Maybe please have a roll call vote. Councillor Crossley. Yes, Councillor Hawk. And I do believe

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- she needs to turn her camera on. He does. I'll just get voted tonight. Just listen. OK, OK. Thank you.

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- Councillor Fiddle, Councillor Henry. Yes, Councillor Woods. Yes.

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- Councillor Decker. Yes. Councillor Iverson. Yes. Motion passes. Okay. Thank you very much. Are there

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- any other changes that council likes would like to make for tonight? Okay. Seeing none, we will go ahead

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- and get started.

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- We are on our next to the last budget presentations. And so briefly, I just want to say again, like

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- I've been saying, our public hearing is Tuesday, October six. Our final adoption for the twenty twenty

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- seven budget here or will be Tuesday, October 20th. And both of those meetings will start at five p.m.

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- That is the time that public comment will be made during those times. And of course, we have no public

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- comment during our budget presentations.

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- Again, this has been going very smoothly. So if you've been watching, help us help you all. Everybody

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- knows the timeframe that they have for their presentations, and that does include our Q&A. And so staff

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- is instruct...

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- there is a timer that will be there. And so when you have five minutes remaining, you'll see it. And

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- when you have one minute remaining, you'll also see that as well. And I do believe there is a loud and

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- obnoxious noise that will come from that little machine over there as you are done with your time. So

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- that being said, we will do what we always do. And I'm going to look to the wonderful ladies from the

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- auditor's office, Ms. Gregory and Ms. Woodruff, to give us a recap of our

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- process in progress. Good evening. On the screen before you, the document should look familiar by now.

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- So this is the document that shows all of the changes that were made

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- budget sessions are reflected in this document and these numbers are taken straight from the departmental

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- 4Bs on the DLGF website. Speaking of those 4Bs, they have all been updated by the state and I believe

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- they are correct. So we want everybody to lay eyes on those, make sure they're accurate, make sure there's

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- nothing we are missing.

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- that going to say also we added the anticipated additional appropriations that were submitted by departments

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- for the upcoming meeting later this month. So you'll notice the beginning cash balance for two of these

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- funds is going to be lower in anticipation of those additional appropriations. If they are not approved,

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- we can go ahead and make those changes. But for now, we're including them in there.

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- Also, we received notification from the state that the HFI funding is going to be slightly lower than

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- what we received this year. So that anticipated revenue has also been inputted into Gateway and is reflected

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- on this document in front of you. Okay, thank you very much. And I understand the health department

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- will be one of our first budget hearing presentations of the night. Does anybody have any questions

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- for the auditor's office? Yes, Council Member Deckert.

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- I had a question for Ms. Woodruff. When you said everybody should take a look at 4Bs, you mean us, department

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- heads, elected officials? Is that generally what you mean or other thoughts? I believe the council is

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- the only body that has access in addition to the auditor's office to the 4Bs at this moment. We're happy

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- to share those countywide if you'd like. But as of right now, I believe it's limited just to the council

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- and auditor.

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- our gateway access. Yeah. Okay. Anybody else have any other questions? Okay. Well, thank you all very

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- much for that. And we will move on to the amended portion of our agenda.

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- I move to open for discussion and review fund 1000-0626 County General Animal Control to amend account

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- line 35040 Animal Shelter Interlocal from $480,808 to $566,547.

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- We got a motion in a second and I'm looking to miss Molly Turner King for an update on this. So after

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- the last meeting I did get forward to council an email from Virgil Sonder who is the animal shelter

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- director that explains the formula formula for calculating the county share and I also provided the

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- budget information that was in the

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- cities budget packet for animal control, which reflects the 2024 2025 and 2026 actual budgets and then

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- the 2027 proposed budgets. And so do you want me to explain those documents or are there questions?

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- Let's see if we have because you also via email as well. So Council, do you all have any questions or

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- comments? Yes, Councilmember Woods.

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- Thank you for doing that. I really appreciate getting that information and having time to kind of digest

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- before voting on it. So I appreciate that work. And my understanding from your synopsis and then also

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- looking was that the main difference is that we're looking back to 2025 to base the upcoming budget.

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- And that's the year that they had a salary review and

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- Increases were implemented. So that's part of the jump I believe so they did indicate that they use

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- the 2025 expenses to calculate the 2027 amount and so in the breakdown on the city documents I does

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- say that Well, it indicates a 2% increase in personnel which is Cola adjustment so I do think that was

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- the year that they did have the salary increase and

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- And then also there was an increased cost for veterinary services, and I'm guessing that's under that

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- services line that looked like it had jumped quite a bit. And in the city documentation, it also indicates

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- that there was a slight increase in the overall budget because there was a change due to liability and

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- casualty insurance premiums. In the past, those costs were paid via lump sum through the Public Works

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- Department Administration Division budget, but now

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- the animal control share of it is coming out of the animal shelter budget. So that is also an additional

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- jump in the services. May I continue? Does their insurance cover our people? It wouldn't, right? I do

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- not believe so. I can look into it, but my gut reaction is no. But I mean, I think the insurance would

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- cover the shelter. Services provided through the shelter.

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- Decker. I'm gonna ask it maybe a dumb question but maybe a dumb question that we need to keep on our

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- horizon. City Bloomington pays in to this. So City Ellitsville and the county pay into it. That kind

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- of gets to my point. The formula takes into account the area of which we or which is covered right so

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- unincorporated

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- parts of the county are gonna fall under us. City of Bloomington falls to city and then town to town.

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- If the reorganization would go through with Eltsville and Richland Township, Eltsville becomes a larger

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- entity that would affect the formula. I would anticipate it affecting the formula for the next year.

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- I don't know how it would

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- like I don't know if in the reorganization plan for the Richard for the merger if they worked in animal

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- control. So I don't know if it would be reflected in this year's budget. But I'm happy to inquire. I

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- would probably ask Miss Darla Brown. Yeah, I I don't know that we need to run down that hallway because

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- that's a whole thing voters will hand to us one way or the other.

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- But I do think for counselors that things like that, services piece mill by piece mill, two things have

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- to be guaranteed. Number one, that we're thinking about how that all gets paid for. And two, how someone

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- that's in one of those areas picks up a phone and makes sure that they have services and nobody goes,

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- well, we haven't figured out yet how to get that Doberman off your front yard. I know our folks wouldn't

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- do that, but it's our job to kind of hover around those things that

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- maybe no one else is thinking about out there. Any other questions or comments on this item? All right,

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- so may we please have a roll call vote on proceeding forward with this item? Councilor Deckard? Yes.

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- Councilor Crosley? Yes. Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor Feidl? Yes. Councilor Wills? Yes. And Councilor Henry?

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- passes unanimous six zero okay thank you very much now we will move forward with our first

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- budget presentation which is from our health department council I move to open for discussion and review

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- fund funds one one five nine dash zero zero zero zero health fund fund eleven sixty one dash ninety

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- six twenty four local public health services fund

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- Fund 1161-9627, Local Public Health Services Fund. Fund 1168-0000, Local Health Maintenance Fund. Fund

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- 1206-0000, Local Health Department Trust Account Fund. And finally, Fund 4906-0000, Public Health Emergency

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- Fund. Second. All right, we got a motion and a second. We're joined by Dr. Sarah Ryderband and our financial

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- manager from the Health Department. Welcome.

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- Thank you. We are here for. First of all, we'll see you next week when we come to ask for approval to

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- fill a vacancy in the health administrator position. But this week we are here and I, Mr Gauss and I

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- are here with this budget and just want counsel to understand that neither one of us had any

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- in creating this budget. So Mr. Gauss has gone over it, and I have gone over it, and he's the expert.

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- So he's going to be able to answer, I hope, most of your questions. Some of them we may not be able

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- to answer, but we will get back to you with whatever answers we can come up with. All right. Well, before

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- I get started, I just want to say bear with me.

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- on this. So I'll start off with fund 1159. This year we are looking at a proposed budget that has seven

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- employees, which would be an increase of one employee over 2026. And we have shuffled some of the positions

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- have been shuffled from different funds just to maintain

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- Uh, get following the restrictions that we have with the health first Indiana. So, um, on that 1159,

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- basically what we're looking at is five of our regulatory positions will be proposed in there with two

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- other positions as well. So, um, that's part of the change there. And then the biggest change that we

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- have proposed is that we are

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- pulling 21 of the 22 positions that are within these five funds, the full-time self-insurance from 1159

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- was the proposed. So that's gonna be a big jump over 2026 for what we have. The reason for that, and

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- the auditor's office can verify this, was that the state guidance was

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- best that we pull this full time self insurance from the health fund. And so far as those other

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- communications, I can't give you more information on it. That was just what was what was received. So

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- that's what we're doing this year over what we did last year. So that's kind of the biggest jump for

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- eleven fifty nine. Our supply lines are relatively the same and the service lines

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- are relatively the same. I think that covers most everything there. 1161 this year, we are the Help

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- First Indiana. We are proposing using funding from 9627 and then remaining cash from funds from 9624

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- to fund 12 positions plus half of a 13th position.

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- As the auditor office auditor's office said, we just received our funding guarantee for twenty twenty

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- seven, which was eight hundred and fourteen thousand dollars, eight eighty three and three cents. So

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- it's a little bit less than what we submitted in that there last year and twenty twenty or twenty twenty

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- six this year.

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- we were funding 16 positions out of health first, uh, and we're reducing it down just a little bit from

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- the shuffling of positions and that, um, and as far as the funding goes, the, um, most of the 20,

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- $27 will be, uh, budgeted towards personnel and that with a very small amount, um,

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- budgeted and supplies and services. The. 2024 dollars, the biggest expense out of that fund location

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- was our health net contract with the minor other expenses and supplies and the services. So we have,

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- I think, to the two positions

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- And then, yeah, and then the one split the split position. It's I'm going to jump around just for a

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- second. It's self-insurance was going to be paid from 1206. We're looking to try and get the older money

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- spent down. So that's why we're spending twenty twenty four this year. Moving forward to the eleven

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- sixty eight.

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- Uh, fund. We have two positions there, um, which, uh, was sorry and jumping through my old school paperwork

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- here. Um, the regulatory position and administrative assistance. So, uh, the service lines or supplier,

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- sorry, supplies lines and service lines were minimal. Um, and that's moving one of the,

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- regulatory over to that. So that health maintenance fund, 1168, we're working to spend that down as

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- well because that's the remaining funds and then the 12 fund 1206, which is the, uh, uh, health trust,

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- health department trust account, um, has a split position that up until just recently that position

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- was, uh, occupied and now is vacant. So we're going to have a little bit more to spend.

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- Um, from that in, um, 2027, assuming we can get that position filled quickly and all of that. So, um,

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- I think that covers that. Then moving to the last fund, the health emergency fund, we had drawn some

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- claims off of that fund. Um, I have corrected those to a more appropriate location or fund.

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- And so now we're back to the current cash funds that were there originally. We had budget proposal was

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- just for $1 because we didn't know how much was going to be in each lot or how much was going to be

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- remaining. Now we know where it's at. So those adjustments can be made moving forward. I think I have

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- covered what I can and not.

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- I'll try to answer any questions that you guys have. Well, we appreciate that. Thank you so much. Council

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- questions. And I saw Councilor Iverson's hand go up. So I'll go Iverson and then Councilmember Henry.

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- Let me echo Madame President's thanks for being here and for clearly putting some thought into these

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- budgets that we're working through tonight. You know, this council has a statutory duty to work through

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- these budgets and we're happy to do so with you in this trying time. I think I'm going to start with

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- my first question in the 1161 funds, particularly in

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- Uh, gosh, I think I'm going to ask a more general question here. We know that Health First Indiana revenues

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- are lower than what we thought. Can these funds handle 10 new positions? And that's either to you or

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- to the auditors desk. I'm looking at the four B's and it does. It looks. It doesn't look good,

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- but I don't. I mean, that could be a cash flow issue. I can probably answer that question. So, um,

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- currently and I've got to grab my numbers here. We still have remaining plenty of, or I'm not gonna

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- say, I shouldn't say plenty, but we have remaining funds in 2025 and there'll be a small amount remaining

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- in 2026. So after this completion of this year and that my guesstimate is there will still be remaining

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- probably about a little over a million dollars from 2025

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- 2025 funding. So moving forward for, you know, 2028, I'm not quite sure yet, but we're good for 2027.

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- And that includes the 10 positions, the self insurance, the FICA, the perf. Okay. Yep. Okay. I think

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- if I'm understanding your question correctly, yes. I want to make sure that if we're moving people into

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- a fund that we're hearing now there's revenue

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- It's not as much as we thought it was going to be that we're not going to be shortchanging our employees

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- because if we need our health department employees. Right. Oh, yeah. We'll fund the positions that the

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- other supplies and services will just have to jumble as we manage as we move forward. And then my final

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- follow up question is, did the cost of living adjustment follow these positions into these funds?

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- Councilmember Henry. Thank you, madam president. Thank you for being here. I appreciate doctor Starting

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- us off with where you came in. So and it's a counselor Iverson just said yeah, we we have to navigate

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- the space here But there are some questions here. I actually I need a little more I gotta go a little

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- farther on the the difference between What we thought we were getting in HFI this year and what we heard

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- from the state I mean, I've got a difference of

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- Yeah, so for 11619627 of $26,156 between what we're getting and then what has been budgeted. You said

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- your carryover in the previous year you think will cover that gap? Carryover funds? Yeah, we can cover

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- that gap. OK. Did I hear you right? So the self-insurance you put into 1159? That's correct. But the

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- positions are in 1161?

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- Is that possible? I'm looking at the auditor's desk. I just want to make sure we're not, okay, that's,

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- okay, good there. I don't expect you to be able to answer this question off the fly, but I think it's

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- worth asking as the health officer, you're now looking at a bit of a reorganization. You have a temporary

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- reorganization, a current one. Are there positions that you would envision

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- consolidating or changing in the first or second quarter of the year that might alter what we're looking

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- at here. I mean, I know that we had a philosophy for a bit about certain positions and build outs that

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- may not match the priorities of the current board or, and I guess it's a really way of saying that a

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- lot of what you mentioned here was created by a administrator who's not here now, but you're presenting

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- that vision for a whole fiscal year ahead of us.

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- Do you want to opine? Are there any positions we should be looking at to move around now, or is this

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- a later conversation? I don't know that I can talk about moving things around now. Indeed, the board

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- will need to meet. I have a very different vision, perhaps, of how we might work together to incorporate

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- more of the community and more memorandum of understanding with other

00:24:55.682 --> 00:25:03.685
- groups in the community to cover services and to keep us in alignment with our HFI goals. But it's not

00:25:03.685 --> 00:25:11.455
- something that I can necessarily put forth because indeed the board needs to be on board. It's only

00:25:11.455 --> 00:25:19.381
- been a few days. I appreciate it. And you may have teed up a question that I don't want to steal from

00:25:19.381 --> 00:25:20.702
- down the desk on

00:25:20.834 --> 00:25:26.911
- memorandum of understanding and possibilities working with other entities in the community. I'll yield

00:25:26.911 --> 00:25:32.929
- back, Madam President. Thank you. Thank you. That was actually a question that I had, but you kind of

00:25:32.929 --> 00:25:38.828
- were on the same page. Didn't mean to steal your thunder. No, I mean, it's best to explain it. So I

00:25:38.828 --> 00:25:44.964
- appreciate that because that was a big thought that was coming in for today. Any other council members?

00:25:44.964 --> 00:25:49.566
- Yes. Council member Decker. I have I appreciate the frankness with how you're

00:25:49.794 --> 00:25:58.822
- indicating this is not the budget that you all necessarily prepared. And I have kind of an honest follow-up

00:25:58.822 --> 00:26:07.182
- question if you can answer. How long have you both been able to look at this budget? I guess two or

00:26:07.182 --> 00:26:15.792
- three days now. For me, I was the entry person for entering it in the portal and all of that. And some

00:26:15.792 --> 00:26:18.718
- discussion with previous as far as

00:26:19.394 --> 00:26:29.167
- positions here and there, but for the most part, mine was just my part was just entry. And I asked that

00:26:29.167 --> 00:26:38.753
- I appreciate that, because I think we're at a point now where things we wouldn't ask before, we can't

00:26:38.753 --> 00:26:48.150
- just blow past those things. And I appreciate that period. Yes, Councilmember Bolts, just following

00:26:48.150 --> 00:26:49.278
- up on that.

00:26:51.394 --> 00:27:00.011
- What's your job title? Financial manager. Great. I would hope that we can see this as an opportunity

00:27:00.011 --> 00:27:08.544
- to better use your skills and bring you in a little bit because I'm not in the health department. I

00:27:08.544 --> 00:27:17.332
- don't know how how that might differ, but financial managers across the county are intimately involved

00:27:17.332 --> 00:27:20.574
- in budgeting. And I've never met you.

00:27:20.706 --> 00:27:31.027
- So it's nice to meet you. It's good to see you. And I hope that we can work together on things. So I

00:27:31.027 --> 00:27:41.246
- just wonder if it's out of line to say that we have an interim health administration team. And Eric

00:27:41.246 --> 00:27:50.238
- is part of this. It is made up of our vital records manager, our preparedness director,

00:27:50.626 --> 00:28:12.766
- and our financial manager working with me to move forward and to see what the possibilities are.

00:28:13.378 --> 00:28:20.587
- We have this window we have to work in to submit these budgets. Would your administration team and yourself

00:28:20.587 --> 00:28:27.662
- be amenable to meeting with your two liaisons to try to figure out if there are things we have to correct

00:28:27.662 --> 00:28:34.470
- right now versus things that can wait until January? Is that something we can work on in the next few

00:28:34.470 --> 00:28:41.278
- days? Well, that's an interesting question. Again, since we are going to be coming and asking to post

00:28:41.570 --> 00:28:51.779
- the position of administrator. And we don't know what anything will look like until we've at least looked

00:28:51.779 --> 00:29:02.181
- for an administrator. We may discover that a team approach to this very large job is actually more workable

00:29:02.181 --> 00:29:09.694
- in the long run than a single individual trying to capture all of the pieces.

00:29:10.594 --> 00:29:19.044
- I can't make those decisions going forward, and I'd rather sit with what we have before you that we

00:29:19.044 --> 00:29:27.579
- know is balanced and works, and then come to you as we work out how things may look different in the

00:29:27.579 --> 00:29:36.958
- health department moving forward. I hope that answers your question. It does, and I may just reserve our right

00:29:37.090 --> 00:29:43.009
- In the time we have to maybe reopen this budget if we discover there are some things we want to talk

00:29:43.009 --> 00:29:48.401
- about that maybe. We are not likely to move forward you know if there's money that needs to

00:29:48.401 --> 00:29:54.496
- be re appropriated in a different account line or something that you know if you know that this is just

00:29:54.496 --> 00:29:56.958
- this item flat out we're not doing as of.

00:29:57.410 --> 00:30:03.788
- last week as well. It's those kinds of things. I appreciate wanting to keep the flexibility in your

00:30:03.788 --> 00:30:10.167
- budget, but I think we also have to control for what's here given cuts and other things. And I know

00:30:10.167 --> 00:30:16.800
- that sounds about as vague as it sounds coming out of my mouth right now, but... Just like I sound very

00:30:16.800 --> 00:30:23.242
- vague because I can't speak for the future. I don't have a crystal ball. I'm very optimistic that we

00:30:23.242 --> 00:30:26.750
- can find good partnerships and make this a more robust

00:30:27.138 --> 00:30:33.615
- health department with more opportunities to serve the public. Thank you, Madam President. Thank you.

00:30:33.615 --> 00:30:40.282
- Councilor Iverson. I'm going to move away from the personnel lines and I have a question about a vehicle

00:30:40.282 --> 00:30:46.759
- that we were thinking we were going to purchase and now it doesn't seem like we're going to purchase.

00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:53.236
- Where is that vehicle in these budgets? It is not. It's not included in this budget at the moment. Is

00:30:53.236 --> 00:30:55.966
- it set to $1 or is it set to $0? $1. Okay.

00:30:56.898 --> 00:31:06.190
- And we don't know what's going to happen with it. It's on hold, certainly. And again, it will be determined

00:31:06.190 --> 00:31:14.880
- by what we create moving forward and what kind of partnerships and how, again, how we can best serve

00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:23.483
- the public. Are there other supplies or capital lines that are like this that you've set to $1 that

00:31:23.483 --> 00:31:25.118
- formerly were not?

00:31:27.042 --> 00:31:36.334
- So let's use this vehicle as an example. We, up until probably last week, thought we were going full

00:31:36.334 --> 00:31:45.626
- steam ahead on purchasing this vehicle. It was more than $1. In this budget now, it is $1. Are there

00:31:45.626 --> 00:31:52.158
- other items like that, other lines that we should be looking at? Yeah.

00:31:56.226 --> 00:32:17.066
- Take your time. 11. It's an 11. 59. These were funds. You get there. There you go. I put them all the

00:32:17.066 --> 00:32:24.830
- way at the back, so. Okay. Those were

00:32:25.890 --> 00:32:36.793
- In the supply lines, um, that acts care supplies, uh, and lying count line. Got my small. That's okay.

00:32:36.793 --> 00:32:47.379
- It's two six eight zero zero. Yeah. And then, uh, COVID supplies two six nine nine seven as well as

00:32:47.379 --> 00:32:55.742
- service line, uh, COVID immunization expenses three six nine nine eight. Okay.

00:32:56.226 --> 00:33:05.076
- And I'm seeing the other and we're still in 159 in the services category. The other items that you have

00:33:05.076 --> 00:33:14.182
- put in here are held flat against what they were last year. And in particular, I'm looking at professional

00:33:14.182 --> 00:33:22.948
- services and postage. Professional services. Is that a new line? Yeah, well, yeah, they move that from

00:33:22.948 --> 00:33:24.990
- services and charges to

00:33:25.922 --> 00:33:33.852
- So that line, we pull professional services. That's what we pay our medical waste removal, which we

00:33:33.852 --> 00:33:42.257
- had it in services and charges in 2026. And then, can I keep asking questions? In 1168, you had mentioned

00:33:42.257 --> 00:33:50.187
- that's the local health and maintenance fund. You had mentioned that that's one of the funds you're

00:33:50.187 --> 00:33:55.262
- targeting to spend down. What is the cash balance on that fund?

00:33:55.586 --> 00:34:07.133
- Uh, as of, as of whenever you pulled it as of nine one, that cash balance was 419,000. Currently in

00:34:07.133 --> 00:34:19.258
- 2026, we're not drawing. The only thing we pulled out of that fund so far this year has been our receipt

00:34:19.258 --> 00:34:20.990
- tracker. Okay.

00:34:21.442 --> 00:34:29.445
- And in that fund, that's eleven sixty eight dash zero zero zero. That's the health maintenance fund.

00:34:29.445 --> 00:34:37.528
- We pulled two positions from eleven fifty nine and put them in here. Is that correct? That's correct.

00:34:37.528 --> 00:34:45.452
- OK. All right. I have to say, you know, reviewing this budget beforehand and going through it right

00:34:45.452 --> 00:34:48.542
- now, I expected much worse. So I think

00:34:48.898 --> 00:34:55.568
- Councilmember Henry's intuition is probably correct that we probably need to take some time and look

00:34:55.568 --> 00:35:02.304
- through it much more deeply but I mean based on the concerns that I raised about some of the four B's

00:35:02.304 --> 00:35:09.107
- with these funds and you know moving some of the people around I mean I I think you've done a good job

00:35:09.107 --> 00:35:15.777
- given the hand that was dealt with you it looks like this is approaching lemonade and you were given

00:35:15.777 --> 00:35:17.758
- some lemons so that that's my

00:35:18.338 --> 00:35:26.352
- I don't know, assessment at 540 in the evening. I'd see Councilmember Fiddle had her hand up and then

00:35:26.352 --> 00:35:34.838
- I'll turn it back over to Henry next. So we touched on a little bit the $500,000 money that we appropriated

00:35:34.838 --> 00:35:39.710
- for the van. And so I just want to be clear what happens now.

00:35:40.034 --> 00:35:47.038
- with that money do we need to do something about that or do you appropriate it or what what actually

00:35:47.038 --> 00:35:54.181
- needs to happen with the the funds that are were appropriated it's currently budgeted in 2026 for 2026

00:35:54.181 --> 00:36:01.255
- um if they're not going to move forward with it they would just need to fill out a request to have it

00:36:01.255 --> 00:36:08.536
- de-appropriated like that i just want to give the auditor an opportunity because i think she was pulling

00:36:08.536 --> 00:36:09.438
- her mic down

00:36:09.762 --> 00:36:16.991
- I was just going to know unless it's de-appropriated if the amount isn't spent it will just revert so

00:36:16.991 --> 00:36:24.150
- you know that will be a reversion as we call it. But theoretically it would be available to spend in

00:36:24.150 --> 00:36:31.238
- 26 if it's not de-appropriated right? Right as long as the cash is there which we need to watch the

00:36:31.238 --> 00:36:35.774
- cash in the fund. Thank you. I know it's like third round here.

00:36:35.874 --> 00:36:43.981
- I appreciate the comments down the table on that, and the reversion comment is interesting, right? And

00:36:43.981 --> 00:36:52.245
- maybe I'll look at the auditors so we have it. So total revenue is $848,695 in that fund, but the budget

00:36:52.245 --> 00:36:53.662
- is north of that.

00:36:53.794 --> 00:37:00.236
- I'm trying to figure out what the deficit number is and if there's a planned reversion and then there

00:37:00.236 --> 00:37:06.614
- could also be an additional $500,000 reversion depending on what that really means for the funds. If

00:37:06.614 --> 00:37:13.119
- you don't mind, I can comment on this. We've been trying to budget better. I think your philosophy has

00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:19.435
- been let's budget what we're actually going to spend, right? We're easy to talk with, come back for

00:37:19.435 --> 00:37:22.782
- an additional if you need something else, et cetera.

00:37:22.882 --> 00:37:31.479
- In this fund in particular, the budget is not being expended. So I think we're under $400,000 expended

00:37:31.479 --> 00:37:40.077
- at this point of the year, as we're in mid-September now. And the total budget was, I'm sorry, I don't

00:37:40.077 --> 00:37:47.422
- have it in front of me, but a lot higher. I think it was like 1.3 or something similar.

00:37:47.554 --> 00:37:56.047
- And so there are some funds that haven't been touched. Like we're talking that $500,000 for the vehicle

00:37:56.047 --> 00:38:04.784
- line. There's COVID supplies, which $123,287, which hasn't been expended. There's a hefty amount remaining

00:38:04.784 --> 00:38:13.113
- in contractual services. We have personal healthcare that's nearly 100,000 that hasn't been expended.

00:38:13.113 --> 00:38:14.910
- Immunization support.

00:38:15.106 --> 00:38:21.609
- Expenses $123,286. I mean, so there's so there's a lot a lot of potential reversions. I guess that's

00:38:21.609 --> 00:38:28.370
- good news. Maybe I'm starting to see the lemonade down the table. Okay, so that's good news. And I would

00:38:28.370 --> 00:38:30.302
- say then back to the point if

00:38:30.498 --> 00:38:36.873
- If that is a resource to go into the community for MOUs, because we're now talking to maybe $900,000

00:38:36.873 --> 00:38:43.186
- in reversions plus the van. Exactly. Not plus. I think that included the vehicle. Oh, included? OK.

00:38:43.186 --> 00:38:49.750
- Well, even still, half a million dollars is a lot to work with. OK. I think we're going to be obviously

00:38:49.750 --> 00:38:56.189
- into this in the first quarter next year. Thank you for that. All right. I'm done. Thank you. Anybody

00:38:56.189 --> 00:38:58.398
- else have any other questions? OK.

00:38:59.266 --> 00:39:08.702
- All right, thank you. And I see we have Health Board member Dr. Robinson also in the audience as well.

00:39:08.702 --> 00:39:18.321
- So seeing no other further questions or comments, maybe please have a roll call vote. Councilor Crosley?

00:39:18.321 --> 00:39:27.390
- Yes. Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor Feidl? Yes. Councilor Wilts? Yes. Councilor Henry? Abstain.

00:39:30.178 --> 00:39:47.485
- Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. And you did fine. What's that? You did good. You got it done.

00:39:47.485 --> 00:39:57.374
- Thank you. All right. Next up is the Youth Services Bureau.

00:39:57.474 --> 00:40:08.106
- presentation. Council, I move to open for discussion and review fund 1114-0166 lit special purpose YSB,

00:40:08.106 --> 00:40:19.044
- fund 4100-0000 donations, youth shelter, funds 4106-0000 donations, safe place, funds 4110-0000 donations,

00:40:19.044 --> 00:40:22.622
- prevention general, and fund 4116.

00:40:23.042 --> 00:40:30.684
- 4111-0000, donations BTCC. Second. We got a motion and a second. We are joined by the director, Vanessa

00:40:30.684 --> 00:40:38.106
- Schmidt, and we also have our judge, Judge Harvey here. Welcome. Go ahead. Thank you, counsel. Thank

00:40:38.106 --> 00:40:45.969
- you for having us. Again, as always, you know, YSB really aims to be fiscally conservative and transparent

00:40:45.969 --> 00:40:49.790
- and not to come back for additional appropriations.

00:40:49.954 --> 00:40:55.614
- So I just want to kind of start with our overall budget projections for 2027.

00:40:55.714 --> 00:41:04.190
- There is a reduction by $4,136 from our overall budget. We offset the necessary increases by identifying

00:41:04.190 --> 00:41:12.263
- reductions in other budget lines. These reductions will allow us to utilize a portions of donations

00:41:12.263 --> 00:41:20.416
- that are gonna be appropriated in just a few. You may see a overall deduction of 16,636. That is the

00:41:20.416 --> 00:41:21.950
- decrease, however,

00:41:22.050 --> 00:41:30.540
- full transparency, $12,500 of that was just moved into the commissioner's budget for agency insurance

00:41:30.540 --> 00:41:39.030
- cost. So that leaves us with a true reduction of $4,136 to the 2027 budget, and that does include the

00:41:39.030 --> 00:41:43.774
- COLA increase. And so just to go through our lit budget.

00:41:44.258 --> 00:41:50.959
- There in the salaries and the ones we had an overall decrease due to just staff transitions, which included

00:41:50.959 --> 00:41:57.350
- some positions with pretty significant longevity. That was a reduction of two thousand six hundred and

00:41:57.350 --> 00:42:03.554
- twenty again, still being able to absorb the cola, the proposed cola increase in our supplies line.

00:42:03.554 --> 00:42:09.821
- We have a decrease of one thousand three hundred and twenty five dollars, and that was based on just

00:42:09.821 --> 00:42:11.806
- prior year actual expenditures.

00:42:13.346 --> 00:42:21.822
- In our services, we had an overall decrease of 12,691. However, that's where the 12,500 came from.

00:42:21.890 --> 00:42:28.307
- And so that's a true decrease of $191 in YSP services. And then for the fours in our capital items,

00:42:28.307 --> 00:42:35.108
- there are no changes to that budget for 2027. These are funds that we asked to have on hand for necessary

00:42:35.108 --> 00:42:41.653
- furniture and equipment replacement that we can't really wait on additional appropriations when those

00:42:41.653 --> 00:42:48.198
- damages happen just due to contract regulations. And we were always allowed that capital line because

00:42:48.198 --> 00:42:51.856
- our per diems are reverted back into the county general.

00:42:51.856 --> 00:42:58.598
- fund. So that's our summary for our special purpose budget, just like I said, just an overall decrease

00:42:58.598 --> 00:43:05.210
- of $4,136 this year. And then I'm happy to move into donations if you guys are ready for that. Okay.

00:43:05.210 --> 00:43:11.625
- So as opposed to carrying forward, like has been done in the past, we are just requesting smaller

00:43:11.625 --> 00:43:18.302
- appropriations from our donation funds just to maintain transparency with the council and ensure that

00:43:18.466 --> 00:43:25.119
- As those funds are appropriated, it's for needs that arise and we're not just asking to appropriate

00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:31.905
- those all up front. So for 4100, that's our youth shelter donation line. We're asking to go ahead and

00:43:31.905 --> 00:43:38.957
- appropriate $2,250 of those donations. Those are typically spent on the YSB Youth Garden holiday expenses

00:43:38.957 --> 00:43:46.142
- and the needs of the clients. With some cuts to our special purpose budget, this will help to offset those.

00:43:47.554 --> 00:43:53.829
- In our Safe Place donation line, 4106, we are asking to appropriate $1,000. These funds were actually

00:43:53.829 --> 00:44:00.165
- historically raised in the Homeward Bound Walk Against Homelessness many years ago that I participated

00:44:00.165 --> 00:44:06.317
- in as the Safe Place coordinator. And again, these will help to offset some recent adjustments made

00:44:06.317 --> 00:44:12.653
- to our RHY federal grant that supports our Safe Place program. And that was mainly due to the increase

00:44:12.653 --> 00:44:13.822
- in self-insurance.

00:44:15.458 --> 00:44:23.188
- Then our prevention general, 4110, we are asking to appropriate $1,220. These funds were received years

00:44:23.188 --> 00:44:31.066
- ago through a Healthiest Cities project, and these will be appropriated and help to supplement our Monroe

00:44:31.066 --> 00:44:39.390
- County Youth Council and other YSP prevention programming. And then our 4111 is our BTCC line building thriving

00:44:39.746 --> 00:44:46.580
- community connections line, we're asking to appropriate $11,800. Those funds are generated from the

00:44:46.580 --> 00:44:53.072
- Delta Ahead project participation that we're involved in and earmarked for potential donations

00:44:53.072 --> 00:44:55.806
- and sponsorships for future MC3 events.

00:44:56.226 --> 00:45:04.703
- And so those are often used to pay the community trainers that are a part of the BTC network, BTCC network.

00:45:04.703 --> 00:45:12.710
- And then we also anticipate to come back with more appropriations to that fund that have been donated

00:45:12.710 --> 00:45:19.774
- specifically for MC3 for the 2027 MC3 event. Thank you. Absolutely. I can always say that

00:45:19.906 --> 00:45:29.097
- Vanessa has jumped in with both feet in a season of not only budgets, but also a pretty big audit for

00:45:29.097 --> 00:45:32.702
- YSB and has done an extremely good job.

00:45:32.866 --> 00:45:38.780
- actually very quiet on her end to me. So that means everything's going well. So I would just want to

00:45:38.780 --> 00:45:44.811
- thank you for doing such a good job with that. Also just to take this opportunity to thank the council

00:45:44.811 --> 00:45:51.018
- for raising that rate. It certainly facilitates the funding for next year and keeping everything healthy.

00:45:51.018 --> 00:45:51.838
- So thank you.

00:45:53.058 --> 00:45:59.192
- And thank you for being here. And all that was recorded. So you can go back and watch as many times

00:45:59.192 --> 00:46:05.510
- as you want. I appreciate that. And I had lots of help. I do have our financial manager and our deputy

00:46:05.510 --> 00:46:11.643
- here as well. Great. Thank you. All right. Council, any questions? It was all very straightforward.

00:46:11.643 --> 00:46:12.318
- Thank you.

00:46:16.354 --> 00:46:24.768
- As always, thank you for your support and we will see you when we come back to prepare some MC3 money.

00:46:24.768 --> 00:46:33.019
- Hold on tight. We need to do a roll call vote on this budget. House record. Yes. Councillor Iverson.

00:46:33.019 --> 00:46:41.596
- Yes. Calls are vital. Yes. Also, costly is not present currently. Councillor Wilkes. Yes. And Councillor

00:46:41.596 --> 00:46:46.334
- Henry. Yes. Motion passes unanimous five zero. Thank you.

00:46:46.466 --> 00:46:54.714
- Thank you so much. All right. That brings us to court services. Council. Thank you. Yes, please. Council,

00:46:54.714 --> 00:46:57.982
- I moved to open for discussion or review.

00:46:58.114 --> 00:47:14.354
- Fund 1000-0225 County General 1114-0225 Lit Special Purpose Courts. Fund 11700-2225 Public Safety Lit

00:47:14.354 --> 00:47:24.862
- Courts. Fund 2200-0000 Alternative Dispute Resolution. Fund 2511.

00:47:25.154 --> 00:47:32.792
- zero zero zero zero jury pay user fees and fund eight eight nine five zero zero zero zero county 4d

00:47:32.792 --> 00:47:40.506
- incentive second we have a motion and a second and we're joined tonight by judge decaf thank you for

00:47:40.506 --> 00:47:46.846
- gracing us with your presence and jama chandler so uh please tell us what you have

00:47:47.106 --> 00:47:52.925
- Great, thank you for having us this evening. Just to do a quick run through of our county general first,

00:47:52.925 --> 00:47:58.467
- you'll notice in the salary lines, we will fluctuate due to either employees reaching new level and

00:47:58.467 --> 00:48:04.009
- salary positions, positions being eliminated due to our loss of court and or replacement of some of

00:48:04.009 --> 00:48:09.552
- the different levels. I wanted to remind council that 75% of our commissioner salary and 25% of our

00:48:09.552 --> 00:48:12.766
- juvenile court reporter salary are paid out of this fund.

00:48:13.890 --> 00:48:21.283
- Our supplies line we have decreased by $1,000 this year due to our loss of court and then in our services

00:48:21.283 --> 00:48:23.166
- category we have increased

00:48:23.234 --> 00:48:29.955
- due to a reduced state grant funding for our interpreter services, the increased costs associated with

00:48:29.955 --> 00:48:36.480
- our state mandated popper fees, and the continued high demand for guardian ad litem services. So to

00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:43.136
- help offset the requested increases in these areas, we've reduced funding in our travel training, our

00:48:43.136 --> 00:48:48.030
- judicial liability, and our special judge pro tem expenses. So our overall

00:48:48.322 --> 00:48:55.947
- budget for 2027 that we've requested is lower than our requested budget for 2026 by $147,912. And that

00:48:55.947 --> 00:49:03.497
- includes our COLA. And our special purposes lit funding. This is the money in the juvenile court that

00:49:03.497 --> 00:49:10.974
- we identified that could be moved to the lit special purposes years ago. This money helps offset the

00:49:10.974 --> 00:49:12.158
- county general.

00:49:12.386 --> 00:49:20.813
- Currently, we do a 75-25 split with 75% in lit special purposes and 25% in our county general. This

00:49:20.813 --> 00:49:29.662
- was a small increase in this budget due to an employee receiving a step raise. In our lit public safety,

00:49:29.858 --> 00:49:37.128
- This budget pays for the salaries of the ASI guards that are housed at the Justice Building, the Curry

00:49:37.128 --> 00:49:44.469
- Building, and part of Community Corrections. This budget has a slight increase this year, and it's only

00:49:44.469 --> 00:49:47.998
- due to the 2% COLA. Our Alternative Dispute Fund.

00:49:48.546 --> 00:49:54.759
- This fund is established by statute, and it's funded by a $20 fee collected from each divorce case.

00:49:54.759 --> 00:50:01.345
- The funds are used to provide mediation, arbitration services, parent coordinator services, and co-parent

00:50:01.345 --> 00:50:07.744
- counseling, and this budget has a slight increase just due to the demand of such services. Next is our

00:50:07.744 --> 00:50:14.206
- jury pay. This fund is established by statute and funded through $6 from qualifying criminal infraction

00:50:14.402 --> 00:50:23.235
- conviction cases and $75 for each civil plenary and tort filing. These monies help offset the cost of

00:50:23.235 --> 00:50:32.501
- county general. There is a slight increase for the funds in this budget and that's also due to an increase

00:50:32.501 --> 00:50:40.382
- in postage and food costs. Lastly, is our county incentive for defund a 895. This money is

00:50:40.674 --> 00:50:46.538
- and this fund comes from the collection of our child support. Monroe County receives federal incentive

00:50:46.538 --> 00:50:51.832
- money depending on how much child support is collected in comparison to other states. 25% of

00:50:51.832 --> 00:50:57.582
- our commissioner's salary is paid out of this fund, and there's a slight increase in this budget due

00:50:57.582 --> 00:51:03.275
- to the increase in full-time self-insurance. And I just want to note that the FICA and PERF numbers

00:51:03.275 --> 00:51:09.139
- are flipped. That was an error on my part, but there's no change in those numbers, and I apologize for

00:51:09.139 --> 00:51:09.822
- that error.

00:51:10.818 --> 00:51:16.458
- I fixed it. Fixed it? Yeah, I fixed it. Oh, thank you. So it's right. Thank you. So what you're seeing

00:51:16.458 --> 00:51:22.098
- is correct. Thank you. Thank you, Michelle. All right. Would you like to add anything, Your Honor? No,

00:51:22.098 --> 00:51:27.902
- thank you. Other than this is Jayma's first budget session, and I think she has done a remarkably awesome

00:51:27.902 --> 00:51:33.214
- job. So thank you. Well, I concur. All right. Council, any questions or comments on this budget?

00:51:35.618 --> 00:51:44.059
- as one of the liaisons. I just want to agree with the judge that it's out of the ballpark in terms of

00:51:44.059 --> 00:51:52.914
- the explanations as well as keeping it very organized and not not expanding. Thank you. And communication.

00:51:52.914 --> 00:52:01.190
- I think she's been great at communicating. That's true. Appreciate that too. Absolutely. Thank you.

00:52:01.190 --> 00:52:03.838
- I agree. Very good. We're good.

00:52:04.290 --> 00:52:11.545
- good presentation. I want to go back to 1170-0225, the contractual on the, is that where the contractual

00:52:11.545 --> 00:52:18.454
- line was for the? Are you talking about the public safety? I think so. You mentioned that's the ASI

00:52:18.454 --> 00:52:25.640
- contract? Yes. We have a discussion about the ASI contract with the commissioners. Is this, and I think

00:52:25.640 --> 00:52:28.542
- what came out in that discussion was that

00:52:29.090 --> 00:52:35.182
- that organization seems to be funded out of a few account lines in the government. It's not like one

00:52:35.182 --> 00:52:41.515
- line. Is this the same as what we were talking about with them in terms of the personnel that are hired?

00:52:41.515 --> 00:52:47.787
- Yes. I believe the county administrator had mentioned that there was a reduction in security personnel.

00:52:47.787 --> 00:52:53.940
- I distinctly remember her saying that in her presentation. Do you know of any changes in the contract

00:52:53.940 --> 00:52:59.006
- that there's a reduction in personnel? No, I was not provided any such information.

00:52:59.394 --> 00:53:05.671
- Can you clarify? It might be two different contracts. I'm just trying to wrap my head around it. I think

00:53:05.671 --> 00:53:11.709
- it is the same contract. I think what the county or the commissioner or administrator referenced was

00:53:11.709 --> 00:53:17.867
- that there wouldn't be an overnight ASI guard anymore. So that is part of the reduction. And then that

00:53:17.867 --> 00:53:24.084
- the building now closes at four. So there is a slight reduction there as well. It was like 120,000-ish.

00:53:24.084 --> 00:53:25.758
- It was a larger number than

00:53:25.890 --> 00:53:31.351
- I would have to look at the number. I don't know off the top of my head. The question I've got then

00:53:31.351 --> 00:53:37.140
- is, is that coming out of this line or is that some other line? It sounds like this is news to the table,

00:53:37.140 --> 00:53:42.601
- so maybe this is a question back to the commissioner administrator. It's the second time I've heard

00:53:42.601 --> 00:53:48.499
- this brought up is all, so that's why I'm into it. I'll hold it back for our next, I think for our Thursday

00:53:48.499 --> 00:53:53.086
- cleanup, but I'm good with that, but I appreciate that. Thank you, Madam President.

00:53:55.138 --> 00:54:01.467
- Does anybody else have any other questions? I don't, because I paid attention to your budget.

00:54:01.467 --> 00:54:08.335
- I looked at it, and it's fine, and I think it's great. All right. Yes, Councilor Iverson has one more

00:54:08.335 --> 00:54:15.068
- question for you. Are the problem solving courts, are those in this budget? No. They're in the next

00:54:15.068 --> 00:54:22.407
- budget. Next budget, okay. Yes. Great. I'll save my question. Great. Well, seeing no other further questions

00:54:22.407 --> 00:54:24.158
- or comments on this item.

00:54:24.418 --> 00:54:32.281
- May we please have a roll call vote? Councilor Wilts? Yes. Councilor Henry? Yes. Councilor Deckard?

00:54:32.281 --> 00:54:39.830
- Yes. Councilor Crosley? Yes. Councilor. And Councilor Fiddle? Motion passes unanimous six zero.

00:54:39.830 --> 00:54:47.930
- Thank you. Thank you so much for your time. You're welcome. Thank you. All right. Next up, because the

00:54:47.930 --> 00:54:54.142
- judge is sticking with us with the last one, we have our probation department.

00:54:54.498 --> 00:55:01.363
- Council I move to open for discussion and review fund 1000 dash zero two two six county general probation

00:55:01.363 --> 00:55:04.990
- fund 1114 dash zero two seven three lit special purpose

00:55:05.122 --> 00:55:16.207
- Fund 1122-0000 Community Correction User Fees. Fund 1170-0226 Public Safety Lit Probation. Fund 2504-0000

00:55:16.207 --> 00:55:26.664
- Court Alcohol Drug User Fees. Fund 2506-0000 Problem Solving Court User Fees. Fund 4916-0000 County

00:55:26.664 --> 00:55:29.278
- Offender Transportation.

00:55:29.378 --> 00:55:37.082
- Excuse me 2100 dash zero zero zero zero supplemental adult probation services and finally funds 2150

00:55:37.082 --> 00:55:45.243
- dash zero zero zero zero supplemental juvenile probation services Second and we got a motion and a second.

00:55:45.243 --> 00:55:53.175
- We are joined by the 18 in addition To judge the cop we got Anthony Becca and we have Linda Brady here.

00:55:53.175 --> 00:55:54.014
- Welcome. I

00:55:54.306 --> 00:56:00.357
- Thank you. Thank you. Yes, this is the a team for our budgets are to deputy chief probation officers.

00:56:00.357 --> 00:56:06.586
- Becca strike and Anthony Williams and of course, our presiding judge. Um, before I get into our budgets,

00:56:06.586 --> 00:56:12.577
- the nine budgets that we have for tonight, did want to give you an update on a couple of grants that

00:56:12.577 --> 00:56:14.238
- impact our budgets. Um, the

00:56:14.434 --> 00:56:20.579
- As you know, our probation department relies heavily on grants. About 30% of our funding comes from

00:56:20.579 --> 00:56:26.847
- grants. The two primary sources of grants are the Indiana Supreme Court and the Indiana Department of

00:56:26.847 --> 00:56:33.299
- Correction. So we already know this, that for 26 and 27, there were significant state grant cuts because

00:56:33.299 --> 00:56:39.566
- the Indiana General Assembly and Governor Braun had different state budget priorities. And so when we

00:56:39.566 --> 00:56:40.734
- submitted our 2027

00:56:40.866 --> 00:56:47.634
- we had no information about our 2027 grants. So since that time we have received information about our

00:56:47.634 --> 00:56:54.467
- grants, and so I'll get into that and how it affects our budget. So we had to assume we weren't getting

00:56:54.467 --> 00:57:00.446
- what we thought we were going to get when we submitted the budgets. So for the DOC grants,

00:57:01.122 --> 00:57:09.203
- for 2027 from the Indiana Department of Correction. You probably remember from 2026 is budget that they

00:57:09.203 --> 00:57:17.517
- defunded all Indiana pretrial programs, and they continued for 2027 to not fund Indiana pretrial programs.

00:57:17.517 --> 00:57:24.510
- For 2027, the DOC also made a decision to defund Indiana's problem solving court programs

00:57:24.770 --> 00:57:32.389
- for the most part, there's a couple of them who got a little bit of money, but for the most part, they

00:57:32.389 --> 00:57:40.081
- defunded problem-solving court programs, including ours. Then from 2026, we received about $1.2 million

00:57:40.081 --> 00:57:47.626
- for community corrections, drug court, and mental health court. For 2027, we received a 13.8% overall

00:57:47.626 --> 00:57:52.286
- cut. So they funded the community corrections portion the same

00:57:52.386 --> 00:57:59.213
- is they have for the past eight years. So it's a flat line, eight years running of the same amount,

00:57:59.213 --> 00:58:06.450
- which in essence is a cut. And of course, nothing for the problem solving courts. So the entire community

00:58:06.450 --> 00:58:13.414
- corrections grant will go just to community corrections. So because of that, we did move some problem

00:58:13.414 --> 00:58:20.651
- solving court staff to the county general budget, which I'll talk about when I get to the county general.

00:58:20.651 --> 00:58:21.470
- Then we did

00:58:21.730 --> 00:58:27.563
- As part of our request, though, we did reduce our problem solving court staff for twenty twenty seven

00:58:27.563 --> 00:58:33.281
- by one community corrections field officer. We have two at this point and we are reducing it by one

00:58:33.281 --> 00:58:38.142
- for twenty twenty seven. And I'll get into that when I get into the various budgets.

00:58:38.818 --> 00:58:45.918
- Indiana Supreme Court grant. Now that's one that we just found out yesterday what our budget was going

00:58:45.918 --> 00:58:53.018
- to be. So we have told Kim Schell and others, our council liaisons, what our budgets were going to be.

00:58:53.018 --> 00:59:00.394
- But you may recall right before we got into budget hearings last year that because the DOC cut the problem

00:59:00.394 --> 00:59:03.358
- solving, I'm sorry, pretrial programs that

00:59:03.458 --> 00:59:10.186
- the Indiana Supreme Court came forward at the very last minute and gave us $271,000 as one-time money

00:59:10.186 --> 00:59:16.783
- to replace what we lost from the DOC, but they were very clear with us that that was one-time money

00:59:16.783 --> 00:59:22.654
- that we were not to expect it for this year. So to be safe, we added all of our pretrial

00:59:22.946 --> 00:59:30.026
- officers into County General. But just yesterday we learned that the Supreme Court is going to award

00:59:30.026 --> 00:59:37.035
- us the same exact amount for 2027 as they awarded us in 2026, which that includes the one time only

00:59:37.035 --> 00:59:44.536
- the $271,000 grant for pretrial to make up for the loss of the DOC. And we believe one of the main reasons

00:59:44.536 --> 00:59:50.494
- that we're getting such a significant grant from them is because of a decision which

00:59:51.042 --> 00:59:57.254
- give credit to Judge DeKalb for this. We are switching our case management system from Quest, which

00:59:57.254 --> 01:00:03.465
- is a proprietary system that costs to the state supervised release system SRS. And we're doing that

01:00:03.465 --> 01:00:09.677
- this year. We've already done it for juvenile. Next week we transition adult. And this is something

01:00:09.677 --> 01:00:16.510
- the state has wanted our pretrial program to move to SRS for quite some time. And as far as data collections,

01:00:16.642 --> 01:00:22.974
- because all the other pretrial programs in the state are on that on that system. So I do believe that

01:00:22.974 --> 01:00:29.305
- had a role. And plus, we're one of the best, if not the best, I think we're the best pretrial program

01:00:29.305 --> 01:00:35.575
- in the state. And we're one that the state is always referring other people to in terms of our stats

01:00:35.575 --> 01:00:41.783
- and our procedures and policies and such. So we're really, really thrilled to get this grant award.

01:00:41.783 --> 01:00:44.638
- So at this point, if it's OK, I don't want to

01:00:44.834 --> 01:00:51.589
- I'm going to go into the reductions that will result in reductions. If I could do the reductions at

01:00:51.589 --> 01:00:58.412
- the end and just keep on going, OK, OK, I'll come back to because we will be going to county general

01:00:58.412 --> 01:01:05.303
- and doing some reductions because of the grants. OK, so just to talk really briefly about each budget

01:01:05.303 --> 01:01:12.396
- county general, it's nearly all salaries and fringe benefits. I there was one pretrial probation officer

01:01:12.396 --> 01:01:14.558
- funded in this budget for 2026.

01:01:14.754 --> 01:01:21.619
- For twenty twenty seven, there still is only one full time pretrial probation officer that will continue

01:01:21.619 --> 01:01:28.353
- to be funded in this requested in this budget, plus a match money for one part of a pretrial probation

01:01:28.353 --> 01:01:35.087
- officer of forty nine seventy seven. So when still one full time, but just one piece of for some match

01:01:35.087 --> 01:01:41.756
- money for a pretrial. We also for twenty twenty six, we had two full time problem solving court field

01:01:41.756 --> 01:01:43.390
- officers in this budget.

01:01:44.098 --> 01:01:50.702
- And for twenty twenty seven, we're reducing that to one full time problem solving court field officer

01:01:50.702 --> 01:01:57.176
- in twenty twenty six. Five of our six problem solving court POs were funded probation officers were

01:01:57.176 --> 01:02:03.845
- funded in the county general. And in twenty twenty seven, due to the DOC defunding our problem solving

01:02:03.845 --> 01:02:06.046
- court program, we added the sixth

01:02:06.306 --> 01:02:13.382
- problem solving court PO position moved that to county general. So we went from five to six in county

01:02:13.382 --> 01:02:20.528
- general because of that cut. So that's really summary for county general. Special purpose lit juvenile

01:02:20.528 --> 01:02:25.246
- probation fund and public safety lit both are basically flat lined.

01:02:27.650 --> 01:02:34.210
- User fee budgets. All of our user fee budgets have statutory purposes and the goal for all of our user

01:02:34.210 --> 01:02:40.642
- fee budgets is to have sustainable budget that we believe the income is going to match what's what's

01:02:40.642 --> 01:02:47.011
- going out in expenditures. And just a reminder for you all that the probation of our county general

01:02:47.011 --> 01:02:53.508
- budget does not have any funding for the 20s or 30s. No supplies, no services except for I think four

01:02:53.508 --> 01:02:54.654
- thousand dollars.

01:02:54.754 --> 01:03:02.722
- So we have we rely on our user fee budgets to fund salaries, but also all of our supplies, all of our

01:03:02.722 --> 01:03:11.002
- services come from the user fee budgets. So juvenile probation user fees, court, alcohol and drug program

01:03:11.002 --> 01:03:19.205
- user fees, adult supplemental user fees and problem solving court user fee budgets. All of those budgets

01:03:19.205 --> 01:03:24.126
- have been flatlined. So. Just same as last year, I did want to

01:03:24.226 --> 01:03:30.526
- It's been just a minute to talk about the community corrections user fee budget, which is known as project

01:03:30.526 --> 01:03:36.472
- income. And Kate knows this from being on our Community Corrections Advisory Board, that we have had

01:03:36.472 --> 01:03:42.477
- some issues with this user fee fund because of the community corrections flatlining the grants for so

01:03:42.477 --> 01:03:48.423
- many years. It's a sister budget. This budget, the user fees is to the grant. So if the grant, let's

01:03:48.423 --> 01:03:53.310
- say they fund $20,000 for a position, the rest of it has to come out of user fees.

01:03:53.442 --> 01:04:00.979
- And so doing that for eight consecutive years, it's really eaten into to that fund balance. So in twenty

01:04:00.979 --> 01:04:08.516
- twenty four, twenty five and twenty six, our fund balance dip to two all time lows to the most dangerous

01:04:08.516 --> 01:04:12.894
- levels we have ever seen with Community Corrections Program.

01:04:13.442 --> 01:04:23.293
- We started 2025 with only $110,000 in that fund, which is very low, and 2025 ended with only $86,798,

01:04:23.293 --> 01:04:33.819
- which is extremely low, dangerously low. We worked for 2026 to cut positions. We didn't refill six community

01:04:33.819 --> 01:04:39.710
- corrections field officers when they left, and by the end of

01:04:40.418 --> 01:04:46.928
- By the by June of this year, our cash balance was up to $200,000, which is better, but not stable. But

01:04:46.928 --> 01:04:53.312
- so for the remainder of 26 and 27, we have reduced full time positions by five community corrections

01:04:53.312 --> 01:04:59.696
- field officers. They were paid partially from this fund. We did not request them in our grant and we

01:04:59.696 --> 01:05:03.678
- are not requesting them for the twenty twenty seven budget. So

01:05:03.970 --> 01:05:10.504
- That's basically it for the user fee budgets and the final budget county offender transportation. But

01:05:10.504 --> 01:05:17.039
- I just always have to do an annual shout out to Eric Spoonmore, former county counselor. That was his

01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:23.573
- favorite budget. It has been flatlined again, and we still to this day have never spent any money out

01:05:23.573 --> 01:05:30.108
- of this budget. So that is all I have. And except for the reductions and however you want to do that.

01:05:30.108 --> 01:05:32.606
- And we can go line by line or however.

01:05:33.090 --> 01:05:40.263
- whatever your pleasure is. And I think Michelle Michelle sent us this information and we should have

01:05:40.263 --> 01:05:47.365
- it ready to go here. So I was all right. This is in the general fund fund one thousand dash zero to

01:05:47.365 --> 01:05:54.608
- two six county general probation. So council I move to amend the following account lines in that fund

01:05:54.608 --> 01:06:00.574
- account line one zero zero five five to forty nine thousand and forty nine dollars.

01:06:01.026 --> 01:06:19.811
- Account Line 11422, set that to $0.00. Account Line 11423 to $0.00. Account Line 14235 to $0.00. Account

01:06:19.811 --> 01:06:30.366
- Line 14236 to $4,977.00. Account Line 14300 to $49,049.00.

01:06:32.162 --> 01:06:45.521
- account line 14302 to $9,669. Account line 18101 to $185,395. And finally, account line 18201 to $328,752.

01:06:45.521 --> 01:06:58.506
- Second. All right, we got a motion and a second to amend those items. Any further questions or comments

01:06:58.506 --> 01:07:00.254
- on this item?

01:07:02.786 --> 01:07:09.693
- It you are getting it. I hate the fact that it's coming at the last minute. Yes, it reminds me of the

01:07:09.693 --> 01:07:16.465
- Chicago Bears. But giving us a heart attack. But except this Sunday. So that being said, yeah, is I

01:07:16.465 --> 01:07:23.575
- just appreciate that. And so last year, I know we were all kind of sweating bullets and trying to figure

01:07:23.575 --> 01:07:30.550
- out how that was going to work. And this year you all are getting the exact same. I guess we'll figure

01:07:30.550 --> 01:07:32.446
- out what happens next year.

01:07:32.546 --> 01:07:39.531
- But that's next year's problems. We'll be worrying about what's in front of us now. So we appreciate

01:07:39.531 --> 01:07:46.448
- that. Y'all are the 18th. All right. Anybody else? No. Oh, Council Henry, I appreciate the comment,

01:07:46.448 --> 01:07:49.214
- though, and it's maybe more general to.

01:07:50.146 --> 01:07:55.694
- future, thinking ahead, right? Because I've been here just long enough now to have seen this kind of

01:07:55.694 --> 01:08:01.406
- conversation twice where we have probation funding from the state, and something gets slashed, and then

01:08:01.406 --> 01:08:06.953
- we absorb it into the general fund, and we try to mush it together a little bit. Do you have a sense

01:08:06.953 --> 01:08:12.885
- of what, if crystal ball, long term is on this? Because at some point, it feels like it's all incrementally

01:08:12.885 --> 01:08:18.598
- moving into the general fund, and one could hypothesize 10 years from now that the idea of state-funded

01:08:18.598 --> 01:08:19.806
- probation stuff might

01:08:19.906 --> 01:08:26.238
- The one pathway is that while we're upgrading our technology in one direction, they're pushing these

01:08:26.238 --> 01:08:32.633
- FTs into our budgets. I mean, and you do a great job trying to balance this out every year, but I bet

01:08:32.633 --> 01:08:33.950
- it feels like it's a

01:08:34.338 --> 01:08:40.470
- cost it back and forth. And the judge might have something also to say, but just to say with all the

01:08:40.470 --> 01:08:46.602
- changes that we just gave you, that the difference between last year's budget and this year's budget

01:08:46.602 --> 01:08:53.220
- is less than a one percent increase. So it's essentially flatlined, even though with adding these positions,

01:08:53.220 --> 01:08:59.838
- you're basically even this, including the cola, it's essentially flatlined. So did you want to add anything?

01:08:59.838 --> 01:09:02.206
- I mean, you're you're exactly correct.

01:09:03.138 --> 01:09:11.349
- Councilman Henry is that we have funded problem-solving courts in pretrial primarily out of grants.

01:09:11.349 --> 01:09:19.889
- There was a presentation made to the General Assembly by the Indiana Judges Association where they were

01:09:19.889 --> 01:09:28.100
- presented with especially the importance of problem-solving courts that you just can't stop it this

01:09:28.100 --> 01:09:32.862
- year and start it up again next year and had some various

01:09:33.282 --> 01:09:40.973
- things like that explained to them. And there seems to be optimism by the Indiana Supreme Court that

01:09:40.973 --> 01:09:48.663
- it was heard by the General Assembly and that they are going to do some things to try to address the

01:09:48.663 --> 01:09:56.811
- funding. And, you know, I agree that, you know, we're all holding our breath waiting to see what happened.

01:09:56.811 --> 01:10:00.542
- We're very pleased to see what the Supreme Court

01:10:01.186 --> 01:10:08.040
- gave us. So I understand what you're saying, and every year that's what we kind of do. It's like, okay,

01:10:08.040 --> 01:10:14.696
- we try not to move stuff to the county general. We try to work on the grants. When there's a problem

01:10:14.696 --> 01:10:21.484
- solving court, frequently there are still grant opportunities. There's discussion about looking at the

01:10:21.484 --> 01:10:28.140
- DOC grants and is that going to change to a different way to who will oversee them. So there is some

01:10:28.140 --> 01:10:30.974
- optimism. And so I'm going to say that I'm

01:10:31.138 --> 01:10:40.185
- optimistic as well that we'll be able to continue to use grant funding and not rely so much on the general

01:10:40.185 --> 01:10:48.979
- assembly, I mean the council, but we're also pleased that as Linda said, the increase, at the beginning

01:10:48.979 --> 01:10:57.434
- we were having panic attacks about what it looked like we were going to have to do to function, but

01:10:57.434 --> 01:11:00.478
- we all work together to look at how

01:11:00.578 --> 01:11:10.264
- and the judges to look at how we can do what we can do to not tax the county, try to change things around

01:11:10.264 --> 01:11:19.493
- and move things around. All I can do is we got where we need to be for 27 and there seems to be some

01:11:19.493 --> 01:11:24.702
- optimism for 28 coming out of the Indiana Supreme Court.

01:11:24.866 --> 01:11:31.529
- It's never smooth sailing on this one, but you seem to land and get to porch. I'll just use some water

01:11:31.529 --> 01:11:38.128
- analogies. I guess the lake's on my mind anyway. Thanks for getting the ship in harbor. Thanks, Madam

01:11:38.128 --> 01:11:44.662
- President. Sports, water, everything. Okay, Council Member Decker. Thank you very much for coming in

01:11:44.662 --> 01:11:51.195
- and explaining all this. And also that takeaway of all things considered, this is pretty much a flat

01:11:51.195 --> 01:11:54.430
- budget request, which is tremendously remarkable.

01:11:54.882 --> 01:12:03.893
- And I think just kind of listening to how we got here through our friends at the Supreme Court, not

01:12:03.893 --> 01:12:13.355
- every day you get to say that, but that really, A, hard to argue with the judge, and B, the big takeaway

01:12:13.355 --> 01:12:22.366
- for us is something that we see a lot of times in departments like this one and in areas like this.

01:12:22.690 --> 01:12:30.249
- where the credibility of the work that has been done for a number of years is making us shine in places

01:12:30.249 --> 01:12:38.026
- where it needs to shine. And it's saving us with good reputations that go up there and people that listen.

01:12:38.026 --> 01:12:45.440
- And not everybody on this side of the bench gets listened to when we just get lost on 465. And that's

01:12:45.440 --> 01:12:48.638
- that, that hard work in knowing where every

01:12:48.834 --> 01:12:55.834
- single semicolon on that ledger is and how it moves is been happening up here for a long, long time.

01:12:55.834 --> 01:13:03.042
- And that's so much appreciated beyond what happens in this department generally. And I was just waiting

01:13:03.042 --> 01:13:10.250
- in your waiting room one time going through materials that are given to folks that are clients and that

01:13:10.250 --> 01:13:14.270
- it's stuff I could give to my students to help with their

01:13:14.530 --> 01:13:20.695
- How do you think of yourself, affirm yourself, be more positive? What are we doing? How do we get out

01:13:20.695 --> 01:13:26.860
- of this where we're at? And the proof is in that pudding. So anyway, thank you for doing what you do,

01:13:26.860 --> 01:13:31.998
- because it probably saved our bacon on this one more than we are maybe knowing here.

01:13:32.450 --> 01:13:38.725
- And I just wanted to say that we've always been very aware as the third branch of government or the

01:13:38.725 --> 01:13:45.063
- other branch of government to be respectful of the other two and to be respectful of our position in

01:13:45.063 --> 01:13:51.526
- this county and what we do to be aware that what we do impacts not only our branch, but it does impact

01:13:51.526 --> 01:13:55.166
- the other branches, the other services, et cetera, and we

01:13:55.266 --> 01:14:02.051
- try to do our best to utilize and apply for what we can and then be very, very conscientious. The courts

01:14:02.051 --> 01:14:08.513
- and probation and community corrections were always very conscientious about what we are doing with

01:14:08.513 --> 01:14:14.910
- the money and how we are spending the money and being very specific about asking for what we need.

01:14:15.042 --> 01:14:21.644
- And this year for us was different as well because we are losing a court. So that's going to

01:14:21.644 --> 01:14:29.311
- be an interesting 27 for the judicial branch because we have not done that before to see how that navigates

01:14:29.311 --> 01:14:36.624
- and we are all working our way through that one as well, so. Judge, can I ask you a follow-up question

01:14:36.624 --> 01:14:42.942
- on that? When, do you recall the year when we were last at the court level we're now at?

01:14:45.250 --> 01:14:57.452
- looking at this keep going and I'll come let me do it in my head so keep going because I can do it in

01:14:57.452 --> 01:15:09.414
- my head I think yes we do need to vote on the amendment you're right you're high five okay so as we

01:15:09.414 --> 01:15:14.558
- are thinking of that yay um did I say that

01:15:14.914 --> 01:15:25.002
- Can we please have a roll call vote? You can do a voice vote on the amendment part. Well, amendment

01:15:25.002 --> 01:15:34.889
- folks, so all those in favor of approving the amendment signify by saying aye. All those opposed,

01:15:34.889 --> 01:15:44.574
- same sign. OK, motion carries. Did we get enough time or did you need to think? I think we got.

01:15:44.802 --> 01:15:51.122
- You got another question. OK. Councilmember Iverson has a question. More for you two anyway. So I really

01:15:51.122 --> 01:15:57.202
- appreciated the deep dive on 1122 the community corrections user fees. We have been looking at those

01:15:57.202 --> 01:16:03.221
- for years and just seeing kind of the ups and downs the ups and downs. And so that one looks really

01:16:03.221 --> 01:16:09.240
- healthy. Could you talk a little bit about 2504 the court alcohol drug user fee and walk us through

01:16:09.240 --> 01:16:11.166
- kind of what's happening there.

01:16:12.258 --> 01:16:18.522
- That's been our more stable of the user fee funds. And so that's where we've used this year to pay a

01:16:18.522 --> 01:16:24.910
- majority of the staff that seems to still be in decent shape. One of the things we hadn't talked about

01:16:24.910 --> 01:16:31.237
- was our use of the Trex program and the tax intercept. And that brought in a good amount of money for

01:16:31.237 --> 01:16:37.439
- us this year as well to help stabilize those user fee funds. So I think we're in a decent shape for

01:16:37.439 --> 01:16:40.478
- what we've budgeted. Okay, wonderful. Thank you.

01:16:52.066 --> 01:17:01.845
- Does anybody have anything else? No? Okay. So seeing none, maybe please have a roll call vote to move

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- this item on. Councilor Wilts? Yes. Councilor Henry? Yes. Councilor Decker? Yes. Councilor Crossley?

01:17:11.529 --> 01:17:19.678
- Yes. Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor Feidl? Yes. Motion passes unanimous six zero.

01:17:20.834 --> 01:17:29.392
- Thank y'all so much. 2007. I think 2007. I think we got the we had seven. There was seven. Then I think

01:17:29.392 --> 01:17:37.621
- we got the eighth and then two or three years after that, we got the ninth. So it's been. Yes, it's

01:17:37.621 --> 01:17:45.932
- been a long time. Yes. Thank you very much. Good evening. Yes, thank you. All right. Um, I literally

01:17:45.932 --> 01:17:50.622
- thought we had something else, but apparently we do not.

01:17:51.362 --> 01:18:07.390
- And we will recess until tomorrow, Wednesday the 16th. OK. Have a good night. Bye.