WEBVTT 00:00:00.418 --> 00:00:09.982 - good evening and happy seventh day of budget items to all those who celebrate. So today is. 00:00:10.402 --> 00:00:17.336 - I call this meeting to order. Today is Thursday, September 17th, 2026. The time is 5.01, and we have 00:00:17.336 --> 00:00:24.407 - a quorum of council members. We have councilors Vidal, Wilts, Deckard, Iverson, and Henry. And I don't 00:00:24.407 --> 00:00:31.478 - see council member Hawk online or in her seat just yet. But again, we have a quorum, so we'll go ahead 00:00:31.478 --> 00:00:38.206 - and get started. Does anybody wish to add or remove or make any changes? How about, does anybody? 00:00:38.434 --> 00:00:46.798 - to make changes to tonight's agenda? No? Okay. So all those in favor of tonight's agenda as presented, 00:00:46.798 --> 00:00:55.244 - signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. All those opposed, you can say the same thing. Okay, well, no opposed. 00:00:55.244 --> 00:01:03.527 - Ayes have it. Thank you. So yeah, tonight is special because we did all of our presentations over the 00:01:03.527 --> 00:01:07.262 - past three weeks. Yes, three weeks of budget. 00:01:07.714 --> 00:01:16.115 - and I want to personally thank everybody involved in all of that. Again, our staff, our auditor, everybody 00:01:16.115 --> 00:01:24.516 - that has been able to continue to do with this. But the marathon continues because we are not over because 00:01:24.516 --> 00:01:31.582 - the public presentation of the 2027 Monroe County budget is on Tuesday, August 6th or no. 00:01:31.874 --> 00:01:39.343 - That's backtracking. Tuesday, October 6. And the final presentation, the adoption, I should say, is 00:01:39.343 --> 00:01:46.811 - going to be Tuesday, October 20. So tonight, since we are all done, this was a night where, because 00:01:46.811 --> 00:01:54.354 - last year what we had did in the past is just kind of go through and make the changes. And all of us 00:01:54.354 --> 00:01:58.910 - were looking very doughy odd. But tonight we are all rested. 00:01:59.170 --> 00:02:05.958 - and ready to go in case there's any changes that need to be made, as Councilor Wilts looks to be funny, 00:02:05.958 --> 00:02:12.681 - because we are all rested. I feel you on that, my sister. So that being said, tonight is a night where 00:02:12.681 --> 00:02:19.274 - we can come back and look at budgets that need to be opened for any type of changes. So before we do 00:02:19.274 --> 00:02:25.931 - that, for the final time during this budget presentation, I will look at the auditor's office. And we 00:02:25.931 --> 00:02:28.542 - are joined by the auditor, Ms. Gregory. 00:02:28.962 --> 00:02:37.844 - And Ms. Woodruff, would you like to present? Yes, thank you. Ms. Woodruff is going to share the screen 00:02:37.844 --> 00:02:46.639 - here. And maybe for the last time, I'm going to give you an update of the simple calculation here for 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:52.158 - the 2027 budget. Okay, so the simplified difference now between 00:02:52.290 --> 00:02:58.717 - the revenue and proposed expenditures, we have a surplus of $2,645,642. Now, as we all know, we still 00:02:58.717 --> 00:03:05.206 - have some discussion and work to be done in some of those levy funds and actually some of the non levy 00:03:05.206 --> 00:03:11.633 - funds as well. So I know we're gonna take a closer look at some of those tonight. We're talking about 00:03:11.633 --> 00:03:18.060 - moving that levy around so that some of the growth is spread out between some of the other levy funds 00:03:18.060 --> 00:03:20.958 - that might need a little assistance that have 00:03:21.122 --> 00:03:29.986 - larger budget that we need to support. And then some things we either need to reduce or move elsewhere. 00:03:29.986 --> 00:03:38.679 - So I'm happy to take any questions regarding this, or we can just jump in. Anybody have any questions 00:03:38.679 --> 00:03:47.628 - for the auditor before she jumps in? No? Apologies, it didn't show properly. Carly is sharing. OK. Yeah, 00:03:47.628 --> 00:03:50.782 - I'm struggling to see it, too. Yeah. 00:03:51.490 --> 00:04:01.422 - it's technical difficulties, I can try to share on my end. Well, TSD, are you all, should they stop 00:04:01.422 --> 00:04:11.453 - sharing and try to reshare again? Thinking. Overheated. And for the record, Councilor Hawk is in the 00:04:11.453 --> 00:04:18.206 - building and at the dais. Like it just does not want to allow us to 00:04:19.746 --> 00:04:29.617 - Maybe you need to re-sign into teams. Let me try on my end if you don't mind. Sure, yeah. Mine is slow 00:04:29.617 --> 00:04:40.062 - too. Yeah, mine's slow. Well. You could be under attack from Owen County. I knew it happened. You're so bad. 00:04:52.258 --> 00:04:53.534 - I can't sign into Teams right now. 00:05:21.314 --> 00:05:50.750 - I had to restart. Oh, everybody needs to re log in. Okay. 00:05:51.234 --> 00:06:04.795 - Session six but not seven. I see all the sessions. I don't know. Did session seven get posted? Agenda? 00:06:04.795 --> 00:06:18.093 - We sent a multi-TSD, I thought, but I won't tell you. We're not sure if session seven got sent. What 00:06:18.093 --> 00:06:20.990 - happens if it wasn't? 00:06:21.890 --> 00:06:30.533 - We've got it posted out there. That's all that needs really to happen. No, I was actually addressing 00:06:30.533 --> 00:06:39.261 - a different problem, which is that. As long as it was noticed, because technically the agenda's here. 00:06:39.261 --> 00:06:47.818 - It was posted. I mean, the meeting was noticed type person right there. Notice but notice. Notice a 00:06:47.818 --> 00:06:51.070 - few things. Agendas are not required. 00:06:51.490 --> 00:07:03.015 - If you don't mind, I'll just go over the numbers one more time in case the public wanted to follow along. 00:07:03.015 --> 00:07:14.432 - And for members of the public, we had a little bit of technical difficulties. And so just as the auditor 00:07:14.432 --> 00:07:17.694 - and staff have been doing all 00:07:17.922 --> 00:07:25.089 - three weeks, we're going to go over the four B's again. So Ms. Gregory, take it away. Thank you. Okay. 00:07:25.089 --> 00:07:32.465 - Maybe for the last time we will see. I'm going to go over the simple calculation, which is the difference 00:07:32.465 --> 00:07:39.632 - between the revenue and the estimated expenditures for the 2027 budget. So currently we have a surplus 00:07:39.632 --> 00:07:43.390 - of $2,645,642 for the simple calculation, which means 00:07:43.586 --> 00:07:50.610 - all the funds, all the revenue, all of the budgets that we are looking at. Now, as I said a few minutes 00:07:50.610 --> 00:07:57.431 - ago, we have some work to do to spread out the levy growth and the levy funds. And then there's also 00:07:57.431 --> 00:08:04.590 - some work to do in the non-levy funds. And I know we're going to work on that tonight, moving some things 00:08:04.590 --> 00:08:11.614 - around. So again, I'm happy to entertain any questions, or we can dive in. OK. All right. Any questions 00:08:11.614 --> 00:08:13.438 - for the auditor right now? 00:08:14.882 --> 00:08:26.526 - Oh yes, sorry, Councilor Wilts. This might be my own problem. Nope. It's going to work or not. I think 00:08:26.526 --> 00:08:38.622 - they're doing it right now. There you go. I didn't hear a word she said. Okay. Councilor Wilts. Thank you. 00:08:39.970 --> 00:08:48.125 - Are we going to just revisit budgets or are we going to start with a conversation about the levy? I 00:08:48.125 --> 00:08:56.361 - think it's up to us and how we want to do that. So Ms. Gregory? I may make a recommendation. I think 00:08:56.361 --> 00:09:04.679 - it might be beneficial to look through some adjustments that you intend to make first, because that's 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:06.718 - going to affect possibly 00:09:06.914 --> 00:09:17.004 - how we move the levy around and what we do with the other funds as well. So just a thought. Okay. Okay. 00:09:17.004 --> 00:09:27.094 - Okay. All right. So looking to colleagues, if there are any things that or any budgets rather, I should 00:09:27.094 --> 00:09:33.982 - say that anybody would like to open. I had to reboot. Oh, you're fine. 00:09:35.490 --> 00:09:44.377 - I guess I'll kind of start off on the conversation of the election. That one I know we and looking at 00:09:44.377 --> 00:09:53.613 - that one a little bit more in depth, and I'll look to the liaisons as well with this. I think personally, 00:09:53.613 --> 00:10:02.413 - because we get reimbursed, you know, the city also funds the elections. That's one that I think that 00:10:02.413 --> 00:10:04.766 - we need to take a look at. 00:10:05.282 --> 00:10:13.157 - Um, I think there was some overtime lines that I personally wanted to look at as well. And to be honest, 00:10:13.157 --> 00:10:20.733 - like for us to compare, I think the last municipal election was in 2023. So ideally I think we could 00:10:20.733 --> 00:10:28.458 - look at 2023 numbers and maybe see if that's what we can do in 27. I know that we'll have a new clerk, 00:10:28.458 --> 00:10:32.958 - you know, next year as well. And so whomever that might be. 00:10:33.378 --> 00:10:40.793 - you know, can also look at this as well, too, and make adjustments, you know, next year coming in as 00:10:40.793 --> 00:10:48.207 - well. But. For now. You know, taking those numbers down a little bit, because it was pretty high for 00:10:48.207 --> 00:10:55.695 - a municipal election. Obviously, we know, yeah, but want to see any thoughts. Yes, Councilor Iverson. 00:10:55.695 --> 00:11:02.302 - I agree with you, Madam President. And that being said, Council, I move to open fund 1215 00:11:03.010 --> 00:11:18.898 - I'm sorry, that was really loud. You're good. Opening the budget. He made a motion. Listen, I've seen 00:11:18.898 --> 00:11:32.606 - other people think out loud last night. Just a voice vote. Okay, so all those in favor. 00:11:33.218 --> 00:11:40.338 - of opening the election fund budget, signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed, same sign. 00:11:40.338 --> 00:11:47.833 - Motion carries. Okay. Yes. Councilor Henry. Thank you for opening up this dialogue. Maybe I'll kick 00:11:47.833 --> 00:11:54.878 - it off with getting some of the meatier pieces. I agree that what's been presented here could 00:11:55.362 --> 00:12:00.977 - be re-evaluated through the 2023 cycle, which is the last municipal. And it's important for council 00:12:00.977 --> 00:12:06.648 - to remember that there are 47 precincts in the Bloomington election as opposed to the 83 countywide. 00:12:06.648 --> 00:12:12.094 - So you're looking at about half in terms of that. So we're trying to use a framing reference for 00:12:12.194 --> 00:12:20.029 - The cost of that would be about half. Having said that, I did reach out to the chief deputy clerk this 00:12:20.029 --> 00:12:27.180 - week. We haven't had a chance to talk about it yet. But on account line, I think we've looked 00:12:27.180 --> 00:12:34.787 - at 1215-00002-2002. This is the machine purchasing, the 692,000 amount that I proposed to them as a 00:12:34.787 --> 00:12:38.590 - possibility to think about getting on a schedule. 00:12:38.722 --> 00:12:44.800 - for purchasing the equipment. So rather than doing a bulk purchase of the entire what you would need 00:12:44.800 --> 00:12:50.998 - for a presidential level, all the e-poll books, all the heart machines, all that, what do you need for 00:12:50.998 --> 00:12:57.076 - next year? And we don't have that number yet, and we haven't really had that conversation yet. But I 00:12:57.076 --> 00:13:03.274 - do think if we're looking for a place to reduce an appropriation, and of course, they always come back 00:13:03.274 --> 00:13:07.486 - and ask for more later next year, that that might be a place to look. 00:13:08.098 --> 00:13:15.322 - the nickels, down to the nickels of what that reduction could look like. But I do think for this department, 00:13:15.322 --> 00:13:22.148 - a capital schedule of purchasing equipment yearly instead of every four years might make a little more 00:13:22.148 --> 00:13:29.172 - sense. But that's my opening thought on that. I'm curious what others think. Thank you. I'll go Councilor 00:13:29.172 --> 00:13:35.998 - Decker and then back to Iverson. One question I have on the machines or e-poll books, as I recall them 00:13:35.998 --> 00:13:36.926 - saying, is if 00:13:37.058 --> 00:13:44.028 - If it followed the logic of what you need for the city election and you weren't buying for the city 00:13:44.028 --> 00:13:51.207 - and the county election, could you reduce it in that kind of like-minded way as well? I think we gotta 00:13:51.207 --> 00:13:58.177 - be cautious there because I think a strong majority of those precincts either touch city boundaries 00:13:58.177 --> 00:14:04.798 - or otherwise, so I'm not sure it's a half and half, but that could be a potential that you try 00:14:05.410 --> 00:14:13.955 - to get some equipment there at a slightly reduced level than going kind of all out. And I've not talked 00:14:13.955 --> 00:14:22.253 - to them either about that. Okay. I'll go Iverson and then Wilson. All right. You know, as one of the 00:14:22.253 --> 00:14:25.950 - liaisons, I also think setting some of these 00:14:26.050 --> 00:14:33.189 - lines back to the 2023 levels is appropriate. I do want to make a very clear distinction, though. I 00:14:33.189 --> 00:14:40.470 - think we shouldn't leave the ones alone. That is our personnel lines. I think that the positions that 00:14:40.470 --> 00:14:48.109 - are in there, we want to make sure that they're getting their 2% cost of living adjustment. And by setting 00:14:48.109 --> 00:14:51.678 - them back, I think that sets a dangerous message. 00:14:52.034 --> 00:14:58.043 - I think when we get to a motion, I think the motion should just be for the twos, the threes, 00:14:58.043 --> 00:15:04.568 - and the fours. Those are the categories of supplies, services, and capital. I would agree with that, 00:15:04.568 --> 00:15:11.029 - because we did a lot of work with that beforehand. Councilor Woods. Yes. Going back to the line for 00:15:11.029 --> 00:15:17.684 - the e-books, the polling e-books. Is that what they're called? E-Poll Book. Thank you. Clearly, I know 00:15:17.684 --> 00:15:18.718 - a lot about it. 00:15:20.162 --> 00:15:27.616 - I like the idea, I mean, and I've recommended this and talked with several departments about capital 00:15:27.616 --> 00:15:35.069 - purchasing being something that they manage and schedule kind of a rotation, like their, you know, a 00:15:35.069 --> 00:15:42.597 - management schedule for purchasing or replacing equipment. And this seems like a good place to start. 00:15:42.597 --> 00:15:49.534 - I like the idea of making the decision around the percentage, you know, in this low use year, 00:15:49.890 --> 00:15:56.784 - can we start with what's absolutely needed and then each year go up. But the following year will be... 00:15:56.784 --> 00:16:03.946 - It's the off year. It's the off year, which is great. No, wait, wait, wait. Hold on. It's the presidential 00:16:03.946 --> 00:16:10.774 - year and then it's the off year. So you've got... So we really have to get everything in the next two 00:16:10.774 --> 00:16:17.534 - years, which doesn't lend itself to a really nice, let's do like a four or five year implementation. 00:16:17.954 --> 00:16:25.833 - Um, that was my question was kind of, is there a way to do it where we, you know, what's the timeframe 00:16:25.833 --> 00:16:33.941 - that we can maximize? Um, that's it. It's more of a question thought. Okay. And I think I saw the auditor 00:16:33.941 --> 00:16:42.202 - had her hand up. Yeah, I just want to clarify if this, um, 200 line is to purchase machinery and equipment, 00:16:42.202 --> 00:16:45.950 - we probably want to move that to a capital line. 00:16:49.282 --> 00:16:56.261 - Is it a servicy kind of thing, or then it wouldn't? We have it under supplies right now. Either one. 00:16:56.261 --> 00:17:03.379 - So we're having some trouble with Lau. We're trying to open Lau to see what they're actually utilizing 00:17:03.379 --> 00:17:10.427 - that for. But with such the large number, I would assume it's capital, but we need to verify. OK. OK. 00:17:10.427 --> 00:17:12.638 - Madam President. Yes, go ahead. 00:17:13.250 --> 00:17:18.955 - And I know that as it was presented in the room, the sum total of that line is not a bunch of iPads. 00:17:18.955 --> 00:17:24.661 - There's servers that they want to purchase as well. I don't know the cost of the hard servers, which 00:17:24.661 --> 00:17:30.592 - we might not be able to cut in half. They may have to be the capital purchase, but it's the e-poll books 00:17:30.592 --> 00:17:36.241 - per polling location. And there could be some cost benefit analysis here, too. In fact, it could be 00:17:36.241 --> 00:17:41.438 - more expensive to cut this in half over time. But we don't know. What I do know is I've got 00:17:41.602 --> 00:17:46.669 - a very large line item. And I think, as Councilor Hawkins told us many times, the whole point of this 00:17:46.669 --> 00:17:51.984 - fund is to accumulate. And if we keep taking these bites out of it and not accumulating, that presidential 00:17:51.984 --> 00:17:56.952 - year may come back to us to fund out of something else, right? And it's trying to understand a true 00:17:56.952 --> 00:18:02.118 - four-year cycle on that. So I don't have that hard day. I wish we did have that hard cost, because that 00:18:02.118 --> 00:18:06.142 - would help me understand how to cut it. But we might have it at the table, yeah. 00:18:13.634 --> 00:18:21.064 - very slowly. Okay. Okay. So maybe as you are pulling up, does anybody else have anything else to add? 00:18:21.064 --> 00:18:28.640 - Yes, Councilor Iverson. Madam President, I don't know if this is the appropriate time, but I would like 00:18:28.640 --> 00:18:34.686 - to make the motion as reflected on the sheet that we have. Oops, there's this one. 00:18:34.818 --> 00:18:47.775 - So council, I move that in fund 1215-0010 that we move the twos and threes to the 2023 budget amounts 00:18:47.775 --> 00:19:00.858 - with a 6% increase for the maximum living growth quotient. And additionally, that we move the twos and 00:19:00.858 --> 00:19:04.542 - the threes in fund 1215-0062 00:19:04.674 --> 00:19:14.872 - to the 2023 budget levels with a 6% increase for maximally go with the question second. Okay, we got 00:19:14.872 --> 00:19:25.374 - a motion and a second. Is there any other further discussion on this item? Yes, counselor will. As much 00:19:25.374 --> 00:19:31.230 - I don't like doing math in public. Tell me what you want. 00:19:31.970 --> 00:19:40.634 - Well, I wanna know about adding the 6% MLGQ, because I recognize that's this year's, but technically, 00:19:40.634 --> 00:19:49.384 - if we were budgeting, it would have grown. What is it for the four years, is what I'm asking, or yeah, 00:19:49.384 --> 00:19:57.878 - four years. What would be the growth quotient over four years, because that's the more accurate way 00:19:57.878 --> 00:20:00.766 - to say what inflation has done to 00:20:01.890 --> 00:20:09.229 - these costs. I'm looking at the auditor because she's math. She knows math. Obviously, it was 6% from 00:20:09.229 --> 00:20:16.424 - 26 to 27. I have to go back and look if you want the last four years. I don't have that in front of 00:20:16.424 --> 00:20:23.762 - me, but I can find that. Or like Carly just suggested, we could use 6% over four years. Last year was 00:20:23.762 --> 00:20:29.950 - four. Yeah, I think six is pretty high for what we have. It was four the year before. 00:20:30.530 --> 00:20:37.680 - was it? So it was four and four and six. I'm just trying to make sure that we, you know, if we're going 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:45.242 - to apply some sort of metric, it's at least aligned. I mean, every year we make sure the budget is supported. 00:20:45.242 --> 00:20:52.186 - From from my perspective, you guys do a great job of that. So if you wanted, I think the six percent 00:20:52.186 --> 00:20:57.342 - would be appropriate if you feel there should be growth regardless. And we 00:20:57.730 --> 00:21:03.599 - Do you want to see what the 6% growth would look like from the levy they had last year? Is that what 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:09.585 - you're asking? No, I'm sorry. No, if you want to do it from 23, that was the motion. I was just asking 00:21:09.585 --> 00:21:15.512 - the logic of it, if that's the best way to think about it. And if it's the best way to think about it 00:21:15.512 --> 00:21:21.497 - right now and to get it done, that's fine, too. I just want us to think through. Of course. Chancellor 00:21:21.497 --> 00:21:24.926 - Henry. Thank you. I appreciate the work to break this out. 00:21:25.058 --> 00:21:33.724 - This is efficient, I appreciate that. There is a line that jumps off the page, it's 12-15-17-101-0062, 00:21:33.724 --> 00:21:41.548 - the overtime line. So is this correct on the math that it's the 23 budget amount was 25,000, 00:21:41.548 --> 00:21:47.774 - the 27 is 20,000, so we see an increase because of the 6%, is that? Okay. 00:21:53.698 --> 00:22:01.893 - The thing is, we have a resolution with regards to overtime, and the overtime is capped at 5,000, and 00:22:01.893 --> 00:22:10.168 - that was specifically amended back in January. I can't remember when I noted that, so. Okay, and thank 00:22:10.168 --> 00:22:18.282 - you for reminding me of that, because I am staring at their adjusted annual, their total budgets are 00:22:18.282 --> 00:22:22.942 - expended going back 26, 25, 24, and they never got close. 00:22:23.234 --> 00:22:30.125 - to 25,000, 20, yeah, I know, Peter, you want to get in. But it's like this is a bump in overtime, but 00:22:30.125 --> 00:22:37.083 - we haven't even gotten close to the 20,000 in the past two years on it. And again, if it's a municipal 00:22:37.083 --> 00:22:43.906 - election, who's the overtime for? It should be, in theory, half as much effort, because it's half as 00:22:43.906 --> 00:22:50.323 - many polling locations, except for early voting, unless it gets really spicy across the street 00:22:50.323 --> 00:22:52.350 - in Bloomington. I don't know. 00:22:52.610 --> 00:22:59.301 - I thank you for cleaning up and Peter, I think you want to get in on it. So I'm just gonna thank you, 00:22:59.301 --> 00:23:06.450 - Madam President. Sure. Council I just want to speak to the motion that I made on the table. I very purposely 00:23:06.450 --> 00:23:13.075 - excluded the ones in my motion. So the overtime line would be a separate motion. I want to make this 00:23:13.075 --> 00:23:19.635 - really clean so that our staff know that we are not touching their lines. Like this is supplies and 00:23:19.635 --> 00:23:21.406 - services only. I will note 00:23:21.730 --> 00:23:30.386 - that the previous conversation on the machine precinct, et cetera, line, that $680 and $2,600, if we 00:23:30.386 --> 00:23:39.041 - let the motion stand as it is, that really reduces that line significantly. So we might want to make 00:23:39.041 --> 00:23:48.211 - a motion to the motion to inflate that back up or have the department come back and ask for an additional. 00:23:48.211 --> 00:23:50.782 - Or would you offer a friendly 00:23:51.010 --> 00:23:59.061 - amendment to your motion to. I actually I think this is a healthy conversation. Is it better to tackle 00:23:59.061 --> 00:24:07.347 - it now in an empty room? Or is it better to have a department come back for an additional? Yes, counselor 00:24:07.347 --> 00:24:15.164 - Decker, I think either way you go, there will still be things that need to be done along the way on 00:24:15.164 --> 00:24:17.822 - towards getting to an end result. 00:24:17.986 --> 00:24:24.605 - I think we should probably say something that we don't always, that we usually say in this cycle that 00:24:24.605 --> 00:24:31.158 - everything that we're doing now is a process until we get to that final adoption. And even that, the 00:24:31.158 --> 00:24:37.907 - next week afterwards, there's always some mistake on the current year's budget and then the next year's 00:24:37.907 --> 00:24:44.850 - budget that we continue to work. The goal is that that mistake is, or that change, I should say, mistake's 00:24:44.850 --> 00:24:45.758 - a heavy word. 00:24:45.986 --> 00:24:55.745 - that that change is not too much or something that's glaring. But I think that either way we go there, 00:24:55.745 --> 00:25:00.766 - transparently, changes are coming. Yes, Ms. Darnock. 00:25:02.050 --> 00:25:08.769 - I wanted to add one other thought in that conversation about the purchase of the equipment. In the past, 00:25:08.769 --> 00:25:15.232 - the clerk's office was able to get a HAVA grant from the state to help with equipment purchases. And 00:25:15.232 --> 00:25:21.887 - I don't know if that's an option for them again in the future. But I mean, last year we did get $35,873 00:25:21.887 --> 00:25:28.414 - for printers. So that is something that maybe the next clerk applies for that might be able to offset 00:25:28.414 --> 00:25:29.118 - that cost. 00:25:31.746 --> 00:25:40.621 - and that could come back next year. Yes, Councilor Henry. Thank you. I may try an amendment then to 00:25:40.621 --> 00:25:50.117 - see if we can get that balance that Councilor Decker and Councilor Iverson have raised here. So on account 00:25:50.117 --> 00:25:58.814 - line 1215-2002-0062, machines precinct, et cetera. I move that we reduce the amount from $692,600 00:25:59.202 --> 00:26:09.405 - to $394,700. Yes. Yes. Second, and I'll ask why that number? Yes. So it is, if you take the sum total 00:26:09.405 --> 00:26:19.508 - of precincts in Bloomington into the total precincts in the county, it's roughly 57%. That is 57% of 00:26:19.508 --> 00:26:26.910 - that number. And let's see if that's enough to work with for this fiscal. 00:26:28.866 --> 00:26:38.703 - I need that number again, please. The number is 3,000, I'm sorry, 394,700. And I would like to refer 00:26:38.703 --> 00:26:48.442 - to the auditor's office. Since we believe that this is for equipment and that kind of thing, should 00:26:48.442 --> 00:26:57.694 - it go rather than be adjusted in the supplies line, I believe we probably should have it moved 00:26:57.858 --> 00:27:12.406 - to a capital line. And we have that number now. Am I correct? That's correct. Did we advertise capital 00:27:12.406 --> 00:27:27.518 - lines in this fund? I'll check. I want to say yes. I want you to say yes. A reminder, we can do transfers. 00:27:27.618 --> 00:27:35.808 - Without an advertisement, we can just do it in any given meeting. We can transfer one category to the 00:27:35.808 --> 00:27:43.836 - other, if that's necessary. Let's just move forward and make a reduction if we need to move it. And 00:27:43.836 --> 00:27:51.946 - then we can do it at that time. OK. That is definitely an option. OK. So let's just go with that for 00:27:51.946 --> 00:27:57.566 - now. And then we can always come back. I think the goal is to do like 00:27:57.762 --> 00:28:07.401 - the big work now tonight. And then if we find out later, if we need to move things from, you know, from 00:28:07.401 --> 00:28:17.225 - supplies to capital, we can do that. And that time frame, does that sound okay? Okay. Can somebody reread 00:28:17.225 --> 00:28:25.566 - the motion at this point? Yes. So I think counselor David or counselor David. The motion. 00:28:25.986 --> 00:28:37.192 - what the motion was to reduce the count line of 1215 to 002-0062 Machines Precinct, et cetera, 00:28:37.192 --> 00:28:49.224 - from $692,600 to, I'm gonna do it again and now Kim has my number and I don't know if I have it on my 00:28:49.224 --> 00:28:53.470 - phone. 394,700. 394,700, thank you. 00:28:54.210 --> 00:29:11.606 - Okay, I do have that amount up on what we advertised. The most that we can put into capital is $4,000. 00:29:11.606 --> 00:29:22.078 - Yes, Ms. Gregory. We could either adjust the advertisement or 00:29:22.402 --> 00:29:28.515 - a little bit more easily what we can do as a category transfer in the beginning of the year, something 00:29:28.515 --> 00:29:34.629 - like that. Right, which I think to Councilor Hawks' point is that would allow this to just be left for 00:29:34.629 --> 00:29:40.624 - right now and then at the beginning of the year, allow the new clerk to come in and make adjustments 00:29:40.624 --> 00:29:46.559 - accordingly. Okay. All right. I wanted to let you know. Sure. Well, thank you for that. Okay, so we 00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:51.070 - have a motion on the floor for this. Is there any other further discussion? 00:29:51.522 --> 00:30:00.587 - on this amendment. Okay, so seeing none, all those in favor of this motion to reduce this line item 00:30:00.587 --> 00:30:09.834 - signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed, same sign. Okay, motion carries. So coming back to the 00:30:09.834 --> 00:30:19.806 - overall here, Councilor Iverson. So this setting it back to 2023 with that 6% addition, that brings this fund 00:30:19.970 --> 00:30:26.474 - down by $700,000. But not with the motion, too. So that's an even better savings. So this is really 00:30:26.474 --> 00:30:32.979 - going to help our 4Bs. It's going to go the other way. It's not a better savings. Yeah, it goes the 00:30:32.979 --> 00:30:39.548 - other way. Yeah. It bumps it up. Not quite as good a savings as it looks like, right? Because that's 00:30:39.548 --> 00:30:46.183 - fine. We did leave something. I just didn't see why we got to do the 6%. I think we're going to be OK 00:30:46.183 --> 00:30:49.630 - by reducing what you're talking about, and then they 00:30:49.762 --> 00:31:00.701 - in addition. Okay. All right. So, yes. Are there? Okay. So, is there any other further questions or 00:31:00.701 --> 00:31:12.515 - comments on this item? No? Okay. So, President, just to be clear. So, just clarity. So, Councilor Iverson's 00:31:12.515 --> 00:31:18.750 - motion was with the 6%, is that right? Correct, correct. 00:31:19.170 --> 00:31:26.417 - I'm sorry. 6% to the 2023, right? Scenario one, right? We're looking at the orange column. That's the 00:31:26.417 --> 00:31:33.735 - numbers here. And Councillor Hock did raise a point to say, you know, what would be the challenge with 00:31:33.735 --> 00:31:40.911 - not doing the 6% and just going straight with 2023? And I'm curious what others' thoughts are about. 00:31:40.911 --> 00:31:47.518 - I appreciate using the MLGQ as the number. I mean, I appreciate why that's there, but I just 00:31:47.618 --> 00:31:54.002 - I'm curious what the counter argument would be for not going with straight out 2023 on these lines, 00:31:54.002 --> 00:32:00.834 - not the salary, as Councillor Iverson's mentioned, but on these supply lines. Is it the inflation question 00:32:00.834 --> 00:32:07.282 - since 2023? You want the argument for it or for against it? I'm just kind of curious what others are 00:32:07.282 --> 00:32:13.794 - thinking, why you're not going... If there are others that are fine with the 6%, why the green column 00:32:13.794 --> 00:32:15.326 - is not as advantageous? 00:32:16.834 --> 00:32:22.976 - And if nobody wants to say, that's fine. But I'm just. Are you asking for the argument for adding 6%? 00:32:22.976 --> 00:32:28.997 - Yeah, that's right. In my really roundabout way at 5 o'clock. I'm sorry. I just couldn't tell which 00:32:28.997 --> 00:32:35.259 - direction. Pick one. Well, I mean, I do think if you start looking at the things that are in here, it's 00:32:35.259 --> 00:32:41.461 - purchasing objects. And inflation has really impacted the purchasing power of everybody. Like tariffs? 00:32:41.461 --> 00:32:43.870 - Well, I mean, that we probably couldn't 00:32:44.802 --> 00:32:52.535 - a capture, but we can capture inflation in the form of a growth kind of approximation. So that's why. 00:32:52.535 --> 00:33:00.420 - Okay. Thank you. I was going to say the same thing. Okay. Anybody? Yes. Councilor Decker. And one thing 00:33:00.420 --> 00:33:08.230 - I want to say is also, and I hope that this is the sentiment of council, is I think that council going 00:33:08.230 --> 00:33:14.750 - forward will have to work with a lot of different circumstances, including new clerk, 00:33:15.010 --> 00:33:21.511 - maybe new ways of doing things or not, I don't know. And then also probably some realities that may 00:33:21.511 --> 00:33:28.076 - hit elections. Like I keep thinking in my head, are we going to have a sort of what we see with fire 00:33:28.076 --> 00:33:34.707 - trucks where getting one takes much longer than it used to because I think a lot of jurisdictions due 00:33:34.707 --> 00:33:41.598 - to increased election scrutiny, discussions, questions will be going to a lot of systems that are needed. 00:33:41.598 --> 00:33:43.678 - And so there may be adjustments 00:33:43.778 --> 00:33:54.388 - of every which way and the other, all the way between here, now, municipal election, presidential election, 00:33:54.388 --> 00:34:04.900 - which is an open seat, supposedly. All that is to say that there's a lot that could keep shifting, moving, 00:34:04.900 --> 00:34:13.054 - et cetera. Anybody else? Okay, so we need to go ahead and take a roll call vote on 00:34:13.154 --> 00:34:36.926 - this overall motion. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 00:34:37.058 --> 00:34:46.904 - Okay, thank you very much. Yes, Councilor Iverson. Thank you, Council. I would like to move and fund 00:34:46.904 --> 00:34:57.140 - 1215-0062 in line 17101. That's the overtime line. We set that amount to $5,000 per resolution 2025-41A. 00:34:57.140 --> 00:35:06.206 - Second. Okay. We got a motion and a second. Councilor Iverson, did you want to explain that? 00:35:06.466 --> 00:35:14.123 - Um, uh, Michelle alluded to this a little bit earlier, but in a red, this resolution does put a cap 00:35:14.123 --> 00:35:21.933 - on the amount of, uh, overtime that we can have in these lines. And as it currently sits, uh, in this 00:35:21.933 --> 00:35:29.590 - requested amount, it sits outside the bounds of that resolution. So this simply brings this account 00:35:29.590 --> 00:35:35.486 - back into the bounds of the resolution that we passed. Okay. Thank you. Yes. 00:35:36.642 --> 00:35:45.750 - So what would happen if we hadn't reset this, that resolution stands, so would it, I mean, should, I'm 00:35:45.750 --> 00:35:54.770 - not wanting to not do it, I want to do it, but it starts, it asks the question, did we let other over 00:35:54.770 --> 00:36:03.613 - timelines slip through and violate our own resolution? Has somebody checked that? Carly has checked 00:36:03.613 --> 00:36:05.470 - that. Thanks, Carly. 00:36:07.618 --> 00:36:14.746 - So the answer is no, we did not let that go through. Yeah. Okay. Good job. Um, counselor, you look like 00:36:14.746 --> 00:36:21.943 - you are about to put a finger out. Okay. You just want to keep it. You put in a finger out to say, let's 00:36:21.943 --> 00:36:29.003 - keep it rolling. Okay. Got you. Okay. Got it. Um, any other further questions on that? It seems pretty 00:36:29.003 --> 00:36:36.542 - self explanatory. Okay. So I think we can do this by voice vote or roll call. Should we do this by roll call? 00:36:37.474 --> 00:36:45.929 - And let's do roll call. Councilor Feidl? Yes. Councilor Hawk? Yes. Councilor Wilts? Yes. Councilor Henry? 00:36:45.929 --> 00:36:53.906 - Yes. Councilor Decker? Yes. Councilor Crosley? Yes. Councilor Iverson? Yes. Motion passes unanimous 00:36:53.906 --> 00:37:02.201 - 7-0. Okay, thank you. Councilor Iverson, is there anything else you want to do on this one? Yeah, let's 00:37:02.201 --> 00:37:05.950 - go over to the cumulative capital development. 00:37:06.498 --> 00:37:27.919 - That is fund 1138-0000. Council, I move that in that fund that we move the lines 1023 GIS coordinator, 00:37:27.919 --> 00:37:36.446 - 18101 FICA, 18201 PERF, 17601 Longevity, 00:37:36.546 --> 00:37:45.909 - 13 to 20 network operations manager, 13 to 60 senior support technician, 13 to 70 network technician, 00:37:45.909 --> 00:37:55.730 - 13 to 80 help desk remote desktop tech, 13 to 90 support technician, 13 to 91 support technician, 15-1-1-5 00:37:55.730 --> 00:38:04.542 - director, 18-1-1 FICA, 18-2-0-1 PERF, 17-6-0-1 longevity, and 18-0-0-1 self insurance. Oh, two. 00:38:05.442 --> 00:38:16.212 - a variety of different funds. All right, I'm sorry, two, yeah, I screwed that up. Let me start again. 00:38:16.212 --> 00:38:27.298 - All right, take two. Take two. Yep, there you go. All right, council, I move that we, in fund 1138-0000, 00:38:27.298 --> 00:38:33.950 - that we move fund 10023 GIS coordinator to fund 1000006. Good. 00:38:34.146 --> 00:38:45.111 - rather than just reading the numbers. Tell us what the fund is. Sure, sorry. Thank you. This is incumative 00:38:45.111 --> 00:38:55.973 - capital development fund 1138-0000. We're moving line 10023 GIS coordinator. That budget requested amount 00:38:55.973 --> 00:39:03.454 - is $87,818. Moving it to county general surveyor, that's fund 1000-0006. 00:39:03.874 --> 00:39:15.439 - and defund 10023. Second. Okay. We got a motion and a second. Any questions or comments on this move? 00:39:15.439 --> 00:39:26.777 - Yes, I think. Yes, Councilor Wilks. Would he just read all of those and us vote once? I didn't hear 00:39:26.777 --> 00:39:28.478 - what you said. 00:39:28.642 --> 00:39:41.631 - My understanding is that a conversation with the commissioners on this line resulted in recommending 00:39:41.631 --> 00:39:55.006 - this move or these series of moves. Because there are so many different funds, I can do them in blocks. 00:39:58.114 --> 00:40:04.280 - just trying to move it along and I'm not I'm sorry that's okay that's okay actually why don't I do that 00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:10.328 - let me let me amend my amendment okay to include withdraw it and just do the whole thing otherwise we 00:40:10.328 --> 00:40:15.486 - have to do it twice yeah all right I withdraw my amendment now I'm gonna do take three 00:40:18.722 --> 00:40:28.252 - you got this it's okay i do i do have it all right you're good you're totally fine it's okay share it 00:40:28.252 --> 00:40:37.876 - as well yes that would be super helpful so that folks at home aren't losing interest all right council 00:40:37.876 --> 00:40:42.174 - i i move in uh fund 1138-0000 that we move uh 00:40:42.434 --> 00:40:51.364 - that's line one zero zero two three as well as the FICA perf and longevity lines over into county general 00:40:51.364 --> 00:41:00.293 - surveyor that's fund one thousand dash zero zero zero six and that is a total of one oh seven four thirty 00:41:00.293 --> 00:41:09.139 - eight and we need a second and we do need a second second all right we got a motion and a second council 00:41:09.139 --> 00:41:11.582 - Henry thank you I appreciate 00:41:12.770 --> 00:41:19.814 - I appreciate all that. That was some work. Help me understand. I see both sides of this. It has been 00:41:19.814 --> 00:41:26.789 - a long preference of mine to get more of this stuff out of cumulative capital and somewhere else. I 00:41:26.789 --> 00:41:33.694 - don't like that we have certain positions and things funded in that fund because it's not capital. 00:41:33.794 --> 00:41:39.976 - These are humans. It looks clean on the paper. I understand why that's happening. I have some heartburn 00:41:39.976 --> 00:41:46.277 - because I don't know now that there are proceeds in that fund where those funds are going. The assumption 00:41:46.277 --> 00:41:52.280 - would be if we're moving this out, that is not a resource that is sitting in a fund that we only get 00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:56.798 - one time a year to really weigh in on in terms of what's going on in there. 00:41:56.898 --> 00:42:03.626 - The way you put it, Councillor Iverson, I appreciate the diplomacy, but what is the detail? Are they 00:42:03.626 --> 00:42:10.287 - too trying to clean it up to get employees out of a capital fund? What's going on here with this as 00:42:10.287 --> 00:42:16.948 - to why we're seeing this opportunity to move and clean it up now after years of it being like this, 00:42:16.948 --> 00:42:21.278 - especially with the TSD piece? I'm going to take a stab at this. 00:42:21.442 --> 00:42:30.529 - My interest in this is purely fiscal looking at the 4B. The way that we're looking at the 4B is that 00:42:30.529 --> 00:42:39.527 - this is underwater to the tune of $1.067 million. We have an opportunity here to clean this up. And 00:42:39.527 --> 00:42:49.694 - the original idea was, I think whoever's controlling the screen could just scroll up just a little bit. Is that? 00:42:50.018 --> 00:42:58.831 - No, not possible. The original idea was to move that software line at the top, that $1.5 million software 00:42:58.831 --> 00:43:07.228 - line. And the conversation turned to these personnel. And I think the argument is salient in the one 00:43:07.228 --> 00:43:13.214 - you just made. This is a cumulative capital fund, and these are people. 00:43:15.010 --> 00:43:22.388 - So just as a follow up then, so the intention is to bring the fund out of or up over underwater, whatever 00:43:22.388 --> 00:43:29.557 - that is, not underwater. And we wouldn't be surprised later to see, hey, here's $200,000 in additional 00:43:29.557 --> 00:43:36.587 - spending we want to do now that it's not here. So it really is about getting this fund in the black. 00:43:36.587 --> 00:43:42.782 - Is that? That's my motivation. OK, I appreciate that. Thank you. Councillor Hong? Right. 00:43:43.074 --> 00:43:52.102 - I understand that this might not seem like what you would normally put in this type of fund. The legislation 00:43:52.102 --> 00:44:00.715 - changed several years back that said you can put the expenses of technical services over into this fund 00:44:00.715 --> 00:44:05.022 - and that's what we did. It seems to me this is more 00:44:05.186 --> 00:44:13.928 - Some of this is to the point that maybe the commissioners are not happy about some of the salaries that 00:44:13.928 --> 00:44:22.502 - were put in there. But regardless, we know that CUME CAP is going to be running short. But we have to 00:44:22.502 --> 00:44:30.993 - cover the debt that we've got sitting in CUME CAP, you know, for the parking garage. And that's like 00:44:30.993 --> 00:44:32.926 - $600,000 or something. 00:44:33.090 --> 00:44:40.787 - If we leave salaries there, we have to cover that. But to move it over to county general, because you 00:44:40.787 --> 00:44:48.408 - think you've got access in there, we only have access in there because we're thinking that we're not 00:44:48.408 --> 00:44:56.030 - going to have to move all this stuff back that we moved out of there. If you move it all back, we're 00:44:56.030 --> 00:45:02.142 - in deficit. I'll just vote whatever you guys say, because I think we're in mess. 00:45:02.370 --> 00:45:10.027 - So I'll look to the auditor because I think I saw her hand raised. Thank you. I just want to remind 00:45:10.027 --> 00:45:17.684 - you the minimum fund balance analysis that we presented at an LTF meet long-term financial planning 00:45:17.684 --> 00:45:25.341 - meeting most recently demonstrated that we need about three million as a minimum at year end to get 00:45:25.341 --> 00:45:27.102 - us through to the next 00:45:27.202 --> 00:45:36.061 - that we would need to remove from this fund to get there, and I think we just did 8 80. Is that right? 00:45:36.061 --> 00:45:45.092 - 107 but we're about to 180. Yeah Yeah, because, right? Well, overall is the 80, but this part this first 00:45:45.092 --> 00:45:54.038 - group is 107 exactly. And so just to Councilor Hawks point, we need to be able to pay our bills between 00:45:54.038 --> 00:45:56.446 - settlements. So okay. Okay. 00:45:56.642 --> 00:46:09.894 - Oh, I'm not sure. Even if we all complete the motions that it looks like Councillor Iverson is going 00:46:09.894 --> 00:46:23.147 - to make on this page, we won't have met our obligation. So then it becomes what else are we going to 00:46:23.147 --> 00:46:26.558 - do in terms of budgets or 00:46:26.658 --> 00:46:42.574 - Do we move? Move else. I. On a what? I think Michelle had provided two different options or miss Woodruff, 00:46:42.574 --> 00:46:52.094 - I'm sorry. And one was software and the other was the the eight 00:46:52.770 --> 00:47:01.508 - 80 in personnel essentially, so I mean we can look at another larger ticket item. I just don't know 00:47:01.508 --> 00:47:10.421 - which way Prefer to go moving the software is one line and it would get us there And I know that that 00:47:10.421 --> 00:47:19.422 - leaves positions in a capital fund, but if it's legal Doesn't that seem simpler? What am I missing? I? 00:47:22.466 --> 00:47:29.757 - I appreciate your thinking. And I want to talk about the software line. Can I, and I should know this, 00:47:29.757 --> 00:47:37.049 - but I don't. Is it a one-time purchase on the software or is this a subscription behavior? Do we know? 00:47:37.049 --> 00:47:44.694 - Yeah, it's all of our software that we're doing. Okay. Either way, that feels more like a economic activity 00:47:44.694 --> 00:47:50.782 - to me. I mean, is it possible this goes to the edit instead of into the general fund? 00:47:51.938 --> 00:47:58.291 - I mean, as a service. And also would be encouraging, this is, we do have some challenges with cost control 00:47:58.291 --> 00:48:04.703 - on IT stuff in the county, especially when I think of our city counterparts who are on completely different 00:48:04.703 --> 00:48:10.759 - platforms that do not cost nearly as much as we're spending. Councilor Cross, are you still on Google 00:48:10.759 --> 00:48:16.756 - over there? Is it Google based? Yeah, that is exponentially cheaper than what we're doing over here. 00:48:16.756 --> 00:48:20.734 - And it's something to think about that if there's a short term of, 00:48:20.866 --> 00:48:27.049 - You know, we work with this now, but this cost could, this really needs to be revisited, but I'm thinking, 00:48:27.049 --> 00:48:33.290 - you know, if we are trying to protect the general fund, would the edit be a better home for this particular 00:48:33.290 --> 00:48:39.185 - item? It gets us out of the hole with the cum cap, but it also puts it somewhere else that feels like 00:48:39.185 --> 00:48:45.079 - economic activity to me. I would offer that. I'm curious what others think before I make an amendment 00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:49.182 - in that direction. That's an interesting take. Is that something that, 00:48:49.314 --> 00:48:58.077 - would the software line be something that could be used for editing? And I'm looking over to the table 00:48:58.077 --> 00:49:06.925 - to see council's looking at the statue right now. Okay. Okay. Um, because again, we got another meeting 00:49:06.925 --> 00:49:15.773 - that's coming up on Tuesday where we are talking about that. So that is actually, you know, an interest 00:49:15.773 --> 00:49:19.006 - intake. Yes. Counselor will ask this. 00:49:19.202 --> 00:49:25.825 - knowing that it's a rabbit hole, but it's related. Do we have an accounting of what we have said we 00:49:25.825 --> 00:49:32.779 - would like to move to edit? And because I remember a couple of things, but I and now we're talking about 00:49:32.779 --> 00:49:39.468 - another, and I'm just concerned that I don't remember all of it. So the only two things that we have 00:49:39.468 --> 00:49:46.224 - right now are the big ticket items, which is self insurance, which is the seven million three hundred 00:49:46.224 --> 00:49:48.542 - fifty nine thousand and some other 00:49:48.738 --> 00:49:59.213 - and then 1 million of bituminous. So as of now, that is the only two items that we have proposed pending 00:49:59.213 --> 00:50:09.188 - over and at it. OK. And have there been any conversations that anyone would want to share that give 00:50:09.188 --> 00:50:16.670 - us an indication that the commissioners would approve or you support this? 00:50:17.026 --> 00:50:24.103 - I mean, I think we stay tuned until Tuesday. So I did have the conversation with Commissioners Thomas 00:50:24.103 --> 00:50:31.180 - and Madeira about it. I think they're open and receptive. I think when we opened it up on a couple of 00:50:31.180 --> 00:50:33.886 - weeks ago, it was trying to, you know, 00:50:34.146 --> 00:50:40.297 - What about a month ago? They came in hot well at their meeting that basically said that they want to 00:50:40.297 --> 00:50:46.448 - make sure that we stay competitive and we want to Give you know folks cost of living. I think we all 00:50:46.448 --> 00:50:52.660 - can agree with that I think we all can also agree that we still have some things that are over in our 00:50:52.660 --> 00:50:58.750 - general that Really needs some taking a look at and so if we can do this together to move those big 00:50:58.914 --> 00:51:06.373 - ticket items out of general over into edit and to allow us potentially to use, you know, that for that 00:51:06.373 --> 00:51:13.687 - reason, I think would be helpful. You know, I guess again, they, you know, haven't indicated or sway 00:51:13.687 --> 00:51:21.001 - one way or another. I think they were receptive to that. I didn't hear anything at the meeting today 00:51:21.001 --> 00:51:26.142 - that they had that indicated that, you know, they were pro or against. 00:51:26.466 --> 00:51:35.587 - So again, I think the idea is to watch and wait and see on Tuesday. And I want to be optimistic that 00:51:35.587 --> 00:51:45.339 - despite all things that both us and commissioners, both bodies I should say, would be able to work together 00:51:45.339 --> 00:51:53.918 - to make this happen. I know what we have intended at it for, but until that comes to fruition, 00:51:54.466 --> 00:52:02.760 - I think right now, just kind of like what we did last year, this would help us tremendously as we wait 00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:10.812 - and see. So that's the answer, which is stay tuned on September 22nd. Yes, Councilor Hong. Right. I 00:52:10.812 --> 00:52:18.945 - heard legal departments saying they would go look at the statute on what? Are you seeing what we can 00:52:18.945 --> 00:52:23.454 - use to edit money for? I think it was for the software. 00:52:23.714 --> 00:52:31.634 - because Councilor Henry had raised the question of if we could take that out and move that over into 00:52:31.634 --> 00:52:39.633 - edit, that would also free up general and maybe we don't have to do what we're doing right now. Okay, 00:52:39.633 --> 00:52:47.553 - but just to be clear, the legal uses for the edit fund, there's several different legal uses and the 00:52:47.553 --> 00:52:53.278 - very bottom thing is or for anything else. So we can use any other legal 00:52:53.378 --> 00:53:01.868 - legal purpose. So we could use it for salaries. We can use it for supplies. We can use it for anything 00:53:01.868 --> 00:53:10.275 - we should choose, except that it's tied to the commissioners have to have a plan how it's to be used. 00:53:10.275 --> 00:53:19.013 - But they can say, I want to use it because I'm going to hire 10 new law enforcement officers or whatever. 00:53:19.013 --> 00:53:23.134 - But it could be used for any other legal purpose. 00:53:23.298 --> 00:53:30.573 - It's the very bottom thing that it gives you a list of things you can do. Have anything to add to that? 00:53:30.573 --> 00:53:37.568 - I mean, subsection 11 of that statute does say for any lawful purpose for which money in any of its 00:53:37.568 --> 00:53:44.564 - other funds may be used. It does have to be included in the plan, but it does appear that that is a 00:53:44.564 --> 00:53:49.950 - catch all for us. OK. Thank you, Counselor Hough, for pointing that out. OK. 00:53:50.946 --> 00:54:03.119 - So maybe we have an amendment. So, okay, I guess that's coming from me. All right. So I have offer an 00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:15.292 - amendment on account line 1138-30041-0000 software to amend to move to fund someone. Give me the edit 00:54:15.292 --> 00:54:19.230 - fund number. Okay. Is 1112-0000. 00:54:19.906 --> 00:54:30.967 - 0106, if that is in fact the edit. How much was it? For the amount of $1,500,000. I will second this 00:54:30.967 --> 00:54:42.138 - and follow up. Is that in lieu to replace the underlying motion to move this first group of folks, or 00:54:42.138 --> 00:54:44.766 - is that in addition to? 00:54:45.762 --> 00:54:52.213 - Remind me, did you propose both at the same time? I did not. I would add it in addition to your- In 00:54:52.213 --> 00:54:58.729 - addition to the GIS coordinator, just like a perf and plunger. Okay. Not disturbing the rest of your 00:54:58.729 --> 00:55:05.374 - motion. And that's also pending approval from- Approval of the board of commissioners to plan for that 00:55:05.374 --> 00:55:11.890 - plan. Of course, correct. Councilor- What about advertising? The advertised amount, can we, how much 00:55:11.890 --> 00:55:13.438 - can we move over there? 00:55:15.330 --> 00:55:24.223 - We advertise $10 million per category to give you maximum flexibility, not that we anticipate you utilizing 00:55:24.223 --> 00:55:32.786 - that fully. And again, I don't have the exact number, but I did jot down your numbers that you provided 00:55:32.786 --> 00:55:37.726 - about where we've used the edit so far. So if it is the 7.3 00:55:38.082 --> 00:55:46.102 - 359 and change for insurance, a million bituminous and 1.5. We're edging around 9.8 million right now, 00:55:46.102 --> 00:55:53.966 - I think. Is that about? Yep. OK, so we're close to maxing out the 10 million advertised on the edit. 00:55:53.966 --> 00:56:01.986 - It's 10 million per category. 10 million per category or the whole edit? It's 10 million per category. 00:56:01.986 --> 00:56:07.358 - Then let's keep putting stuff in there. Anyway, I'm good. Sorry. OK. 00:56:07.618 --> 00:56:21.823 - And to the earlier point regarding the minimum fund balance, this motion gets us there. Any other further 00:56:21.823 --> 00:56:33.214 - questions on this? And to be clear, this is to just so that we're all clear on this. 00:56:33.410 --> 00:56:41.449 - This is to move the $1.5 million from software over into editing. Madam President, I want to be clear, 00:56:41.449 --> 00:56:49.254 - because Councilor Iverson asked me if these were combined. So right now, it's everything. Yes, yes, 00:56:49.254 --> 00:56:57.683 - you're right. It's both. Yes, it's both. It's both. OK, right. OK, so last call for any further discussion. 00:56:57.683 --> 00:57:02.366 - Yes, Councilor Wilts. I'm so sorry. It's OK. I, to clarify, 00:57:03.170 --> 00:57:14.288 - I thought that so far we had only done the one position and associated other costs and not the other 00:57:14.288 --> 00:57:26.176 - positions in self-insurance. Correct. That is correct. So we are moving approximately 1.6 million. Correct. 00:57:26.176 --> 00:57:32.670 - Is that correct? Yes. Thank you. No, it's okay. It's okay. 00:57:33.858 --> 00:57:42.387 - All right, so seeing no other further questions or comments on this item, may we please have a roll 00:57:42.387 --> 00:57:50.916 - call vote? Councilor Hawk? Yes. Councilor Wilts? Yes. Councilor Henry? Yes. Councilor Deckard? Yes. 00:57:50.916 --> 00:57:59.786 - Councilor Crosley? Yes. Councilor Iverson? Yes. And Councilor Feidl? Yes. Motion passes unanimous, 7-0. 00:57:59.786 --> 00:58:01.918 - OK, thank you very much. 00:58:02.114 --> 00:58:10.284 - I had something. Yes, go for it. Okay. The commissioners meeting this morning, it appeared that the 00:58:10.284 --> 00:58:18.453 - commissioners were going to try to move bituminous dollars into a bond issue, which I think most of 00:58:18.453 --> 00:58:26.950 - us knows that's not going to fly because that's not allowed. Mr. Cocker was very polite and said, well, 00:58:26.950 --> 00:58:31.198 - let's make that subject to bond council's approval. 00:58:31.618 --> 00:58:38.339 - So I just don't want anybody thinking we can take by two minutes out of where we put it. And that's 00:58:38.339 --> 00:58:45.597 - something you're very correct on that. I remember hearing that this morning. And so again, that's something 00:58:45.597 --> 00:58:52.586 - that we can also think about as a discussion on the 22nd. Yes, Michelle. OK, one that was just the roll 00:58:52.586 --> 00:58:59.710 - call for the amendment. We still have to do the overall right. OK, but if we're moving the G.I.S. person, 00:58:59.938 --> 00:59:14.656 - which was included in that amendment into, um, any general surveyor, we also need to talk about the 00:59:14.656 --> 00:59:27.902 - self insurance that's tied to this position. So we would also need to move 18,000, 18,000 00:59:28.290 --> 00:59:41.751 - $38 into the economic lit that where we moved all the other general fund self insurance. So moved. Second. 00:59:41.751 --> 00:59:55.590 - All right, we got a motion and a second. Any other further questions, comments? Yes. That was very confusing. 00:59:55.590 --> 00:59:57.854 - Michelle, can you 00:59:58.114 --> 01:00:07.902 - We're talking about the self-insurance line in fund 1138-0000. What is the amount for just 01:00:07.902 --> 01:00:18.873 - the GIS coordinator again? $18,038. I'm going to do that right here. That's per person. That's right. 01:00:18.873 --> 01:00:24.574 - It's per position. So if you're moving, if all goes, 01:00:24.962 --> 01:00:34.493 - You're going to move the GIS person into general fund. The general fund part of this self-insurance 01:00:34.493 --> 01:00:43.262 - also needs to be included in that lit amount from the general fund that was moved. So then. 01:00:54.242 --> 01:01:06.724 - So any other further questions on this motion to move the 18 038 over into edit? No, OK, maybe please 01:01:06.724 --> 01:01:18.962 - have a roll call vote. Councillor Fiddle, yes. Councillor Iverson. Yes. So crossly, yes. Councillor 01:01:18.962 --> 01:01:22.878 - Deckard, yes, Councillor Henry. 01:01:24.162 --> 01:01:33.987 - Councilor Wilk. Yes. And Councilor Hawk. Yes. Motion passes unanimous 7-0. Okay. Thank you very much. 01:01:33.987 --> 01:01:43.427 - Now we come back to the overall here. Any other further questions or comments on this? All right. 01:01:43.427 --> 01:01:51.518 - Seeing none, may we have a roll call vote? Councilor Wilk? Oh. What am I voting on? 01:01:52.130 --> 01:01:59.754 - This is the overall, because we have made motion or we have made amendments. So this is the overall 01:01:59.754 --> 01:02:07.607 - for the GIS and the software. Thank you, sorry. No, you're fine. So it includes all the things we just 01:02:07.607 --> 01:02:15.232 - voted on. So now it would be overall. Exactly. Thank you. I'm going to give you that right here. So 01:02:15.232 --> 01:02:17.214 - it's a total of 1.625476. 01:02:23.330 --> 01:02:33.037 - Yes, go ahead. Councilor Wilts. Yes. Councilor Henry. Yes. Councilor Decker. Yes. Councilor Crosley. 01:02:33.037 --> 01:02:42.744 - Yes. Councilor Iverson. Yes. Councilor Feidl. Yes. And Councilor Hawke. Yes. Motion passes unanimous 01:02:42.744 --> 01:02:47.646 - 7-0. Yes, Council Iverson. Ready for another fund? 01:02:48.162 --> 01:02:57.511 - Council I move that we open fund 1170-0309 PSLIT employee services. Second. All right, we got a motion 01:02:57.511 --> 01:03:06.952 - and a second to open that up. All those in favor of this signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed, 01:03:06.952 --> 01:03:16.120 - same sign. Motion carries. Okay. All right, so we're looking at PSLIT, the employee services line or 01:03:16.120 --> 01:03:17.118 - I'm sorry, 01:03:17.314 --> 01:03:27.170 - I'm sorry, excuse me, the self-insurance line, which is 18001. Do we have that up on the screen? 01:03:27.170 --> 01:03:37.332 - All right, good. Council, I move that we move that line, which is $90,190, to lit correctional fund 01:03:37.332 --> 01:03:45.054 - 1233-0000. All right, we got a motion, and Council Member Deckard seconded. 01:03:45.378 --> 01:03:53.619 - Uh, any questions and comments on this question? Yes. Uh, counselor Hawk. Okay. That wasn't, 01:03:53.619 --> 01:04:02.657 - I don't remember. Uh, I'm not looking at that. Self-insurance was just for the jail. Yes. That that's 01:04:02.657 --> 01:04:06.910 - for the jail. Yes. There that's five positions. 01:04:17.570 --> 01:04:32.496 - Councilor Williams. Yes lit is over budgeted by how much I believe what Carly put in an email to me 01:04:32.496 --> 01:04:45.630 - it was like 575 5k 573 573 something like that yeah yeah it's yeah was that right Carly 01:04:52.130 --> 01:05:02.428 - Thank you. Okay. Any other further questions on this motion? Okay. Seeing none, maybe please have a 01:05:02.428 --> 01:05:13.241 - roll call vote. Councilor Henry? Yes. Councilor Deckard? Yes. Councilor Crosley? Yes. Councilor Iverson? 01:05:13.241 --> 01:05:20.862 - Yes. Councilor Feidl? Yes. Councilor Hawk? Yes. And Councilor Wilts? Yes. 01:05:21.570 --> 01:05:31.746 - Motion passes unanimous 7-0. Councilor Everson. And to further shore up that fund, council I move that 01:05:31.746 --> 01:05:41.724 - in fund 1170-0380, we move line 37700 Meals for Prisoners, which is $475,000 to lit correctional and 01:05:41.724 --> 01:05:49.726 - fund 1233-0000. Second. Okay, we got a motion and a second. Good job. Good idea. 01:05:49.954 --> 01:05:58.558 - this is your idea yeah okay any other further questions or comments all right seeing none may we please 01:05:58.558 --> 01:06:07.327 - have a roll call vote counselor deckard yes counselor crossley yes counselor iverson yes counselor fiddle 01:06:07.327 --> 01:06:15.848 - counselor hawk yes counselor wilts yes and counselor henry yes motion passes unanimous seven zero okay 01:06:15.848 --> 01:06:19.902 - thank you very much yes counselor question about 01:06:20.162 --> 01:06:28.826 - the impact of that. So it looks like you had said it was $570 that it was over budgeted. So what we 01:06:28.826 --> 01:06:38.010 - did now was about $565. So now we're just itsy bitsy. What do we do? It appears that this fund has enough 01:06:38.010 --> 01:06:46.847 - cash reserves to do that teensy bitsy little bit. But if you want us to look at something further, we 01:06:46.847 --> 01:06:48.926 - can definitely dive in. 01:06:53.762 --> 01:07:03.917 - fine with floating that for a year. That's good. All right, just itsy bitsy. Little decimal dust as 01:07:03.917 --> 01:07:14.274 - someone else would have said. Okay, are there any other further reductions that council would like to 01:07:14.274 --> 01:07:22.398 - take a look at before we bounce back to the levy or in the 4B looks? All right. 01:07:22.626 --> 01:07:31.640 - reduction. I just have a addition of an account line. Would you like to do that now? Or would you like 01:07:31.640 --> 01:07:41.003 - to wait? Sure. Okay. Um, council, I'd like to open up, um, uh, general fund 1000 dash 0061 county council, 01:07:41.003 --> 01:07:49.054 - um, to add an account line, uh, 111 county council attorney and appropriated at $1. Second. 01:07:51.234 --> 01:07:55.950 - Thank you, Madam President. You and I were not here late last night when we had an opportunity to talk 01:07:55.950 --> 01:08:00.574 - about Council's budget, and Councillors may recall a few weeks ago I had raised the idea of at least 01:08:00.642 --> 01:08:11.158 - I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's 01:08:11.158 --> 01:08:21.570 - a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. 01:08:21.570 --> 01:08:27.550 - I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. 01:08:27.842 --> 01:08:35.673 - the one dollar appropriation to hold it until we can figure out opportunities for future use if we wish 01:08:35.673 --> 01:08:43.429 - to go that way in the next fiscal year. Okay. Yes, Councilor Woods. What's the advantage of doing this 01:08:43.429 --> 01:08:51.185 - now? It starts the process. And while I appreciate I did get to watch Katz last night on the council's 01:08:51.185 --> 01:08:52.766 - discussion about the 01:08:52.898 --> 01:08:59.703 - contractual line for $30,000 for continued legal counsel related to litigation. We still have a memo 01:08:59.703 --> 01:09:06.440 - out there from County Legal that indicates that in times of conflict among government offices, that 01:09:06.440 --> 01:09:13.245 - County Legal doesn't represent this counsel in those matters. And it has been past practice that the 01:09:13.245 --> 01:09:19.646 - counsel have its own attorney independent of the County Legal, but that memo still stands as a 01:09:20.034 --> 01:09:27.300 - challenge for us if we have future challenges down the road. I was not here when we had a county attorney 01:09:27.300 --> 01:09:34.292 - or sorry a county council attorney but I think it's worth marking it in the budget to move forward if 01:09:34.292 --> 01:09:41.284 - we decide to appropriate additional perhaps later for it in the next fiscal year. It seems to me that 01:09:41.284 --> 01:09:44.574 - if we were going to move forward with this that 01:09:44.674 --> 01:09:51.683 - putting this into professional services where the other attorneys live might be a better way to do this. 01:09:51.683 --> 01:09:58.759 - And this is just, I'm not going to offer an amendment or anything. I just think that if we add additional 01:09:58.759 --> 01:10:05.034 - line in the ones, that's going to increase not only the amount that we're paying this person, 01:10:05.034 --> 01:10:11.843 - but also FICA, PERF, as well as self-insurance. Whereas if we did a professional service, like pay to 01:10:11.843 --> 01:10:14.046 - retainer or something like that, 01:10:14.242 --> 01:10:20.735 - That would be a contractual amount. Now, that does open the door then. If it's a contractual amount, 01:10:20.735 --> 01:10:27.549 - then it has to go to the commissioners and they have to approve it. But from a fiscal standpoint, putting 01:10:27.549 --> 01:10:33.399 - it in the threes makes more sense than putting it in the ones. Council Hall. First of all, 01:10:33.399 --> 01:10:39.827 - I think legislation says that we have the right to have our own. And so I don't think it would have 01:10:39.827 --> 01:10:42.334 - to go to the commissioners for a vote. 01:10:42.722 --> 01:10:50.423 - But if you put it out there and the personnel as a $1, we're going to have to vote on it again, no matter 01:10:50.423 --> 01:10:57.689 - what, because I don't know too many attorneys work for $1. So whatever we do, we'll have to make an 01:10:57.689 --> 01:11:05.390 - adjustment. So if you want to do this, let's just vote on it and keep rolling. Rolling, rolling, rolling. 01:11:05.390 --> 01:11:09.822 - OK. Anybody else that'd like to make? Yes, Councilor Decker. 01:11:10.242 --> 01:11:17.948 - appreciate all the amendments tonight to help with fiscal stewardship. I think this is a little different 01:11:17.948 --> 01:11:25.290 - than that and I respectfully remember the era that has been referenced a number of times on a number 01:11:25.290 --> 01:11:32.996 - of meetings a lot different than I think as sometimes the rose-colored glasses remember. I worry a little 01:11:32.996 --> 01:11:39.102 - bit that we're not ready for this path and we've not reconciled all the things that 01:11:39.202 --> 01:11:47.031 - were a problem when we left this system that we had. And so I'm a no vote on this tonight. I think that 01:11:47.031 --> 01:11:54.560 - at the end of the day, you have attorneys that advise elected officials in some limited capacities. 01:11:54.560 --> 01:12:02.465 - You have a tension there. Ms. Turner-Kings heard me talk about this before when I was council president. 01:12:02.465 --> 01:12:07.358 - There's a tension between the elected official and the attorneys 01:12:07.490 --> 01:12:14.519 - that is a natural one where one is duly advised and the other one probably repeats themselves and sometimes 01:12:14.519 --> 01:12:21.158 - gets frustrated. Margie Rice had to hear this when she was with us before being with the city. And so 01:12:21.158 --> 01:12:27.731 - I don't remember that era very lovingly and I don't remember it in a way that was productive for the 01:12:27.731 --> 01:12:34.240 - council. So now I won't be here much longer with the council allegedly, but I just, I would be a no 01:12:34.240 --> 01:12:36.062 - vote while I'm in the seat. 01:12:37.826 --> 01:12:45.300 - The only thing that I would add to that is, in a perfect world where there's butterflies and rainbows, 01:12:45.300 --> 01:12:52.919 - we won't need to have to do something like this. And I think in our earlier spring conversation, I think 01:12:52.919 --> 01:13:01.118 - that was the way that we were trying to go before, where we were thinking that things would go a different path. 01:13:01.954 --> 01:13:09.810 - it didn't. And so I think by just doing this right now and just having this as a placeholder, again, 01:13:09.810 --> 01:13:17.666 - I think this gives us some time for us to think about before the final adoption if this is something 01:13:17.666 --> 01:13:25.599 - that we would rather do. So I don't see the, I hear what folks are saying. I hear very fine points on 01:13:25.599 --> 01:13:29.566 - both sides. But that being said, I just think that 01:13:30.306 --> 01:13:36.630 - this is here as a placeholder for us to think about things should we need to do that. And again, to 01:13:36.630 --> 01:13:42.954 - Council Hawke's point, if that is something that we choose to do, you know, but for right now, this 01:13:42.954 --> 01:13:49.594 - is just us adding to this and then we can come back in the next couple of weeks and figure that we might 01:13:49.594 --> 01:13:56.108 - not need it. So that's kind of my thought philosophy on that. Did I see another hand down? I've stayed 01:13:56.108 --> 01:13:59.966 - in my case. I appreciate your comment. Yes, Councilor Wilks. 01:14:00.866 --> 01:14:09.853 - Yeah, I guess I don't see the reason to kind of mess up the ledger with another $1 line. I thought we 01:14:09.853 --> 01:14:19.369 - were sort of moving away from those in cleaning up the ledgers and at least from the auditor's perspective. 01:14:19.369 --> 01:14:28.180 - And I mean, we can still have conversations. That's a whole other thing. We added a line and funded 01:14:28.180 --> 01:14:29.854 - it for an external 01:14:30.338 --> 01:14:39.001 - attorney, which is what we would need if we do anything besides county business. I think we would want 01:14:39.001 --> 01:14:47.747 - expertise from an external counselor. I'm not going to vote for this. I'm open to future conversations, 01:14:47.747 --> 01:14:56.578 - of course, but I don't really think we need this. All right. Yes, Councilor Feidl. For me, it just seems 01:14:56.578 --> 01:14:59.774 - like it muddies the water to do that. 01:14:59.970 --> 01:15:08.514 - the fact, like Councilor Wilts mentioned, we do have the line already set up for those services, that 01:15:08.514 --> 01:15:17.225 - it seems to me like we could use that same line, right, instead of having a $1 placeholder. That's just 01:15:17.225 --> 01:15:26.188 - my opinion. Okay. Yes, Councilor Hawke. Right. Actually, when we were discussing how much for the attorney 01:15:26.188 --> 01:15:29.790 - fees or whatever we, however we worded it, 01:15:29.922 --> 01:15:39.716 - I thought that was open to be used for if we wanted to contract for the council attorney, because that's 01:15:39.716 --> 01:15:49.137 - what a lot of counties do, or if we want to just move it around. But I don't, you know, also part of 01:15:49.137 --> 01:15:58.558 - either way, because I think that if we should as a whole decide that it's better to have our own and 01:15:59.426 --> 01:16:07.720 - the decision by the majority, then we could use that same line that we already have in place and just 01:16:07.720 --> 01:16:15.608 - add dollars to it. Either way you go. It's gonna take a lot of conversation. Sure, so. Yeah, OK. 01:16:15.608 --> 01:16:23.739 - All right. So seeing no other further questions or comments, can we please have a roll call vote on 01:16:23.739 --> 01:16:28.862 - Mr Henry's motion? Councillor Decker. Councillor Crosley, yes. 01:16:29.858 --> 01:16:41.643 - Councilor Iverson? No. Councilor Feidl? No. Councilor Hawke? Yes. Councilor Wilts? No. Councilor Henry? 01:16:41.643 --> 01:16:53.655 - Yes. Motion fails. Three, four. Okay. All right. Thank you. All right. Council Iverson? Ready for another 01:16:53.655 --> 01:16:59.774 - budget? Sure. Council, I move to open fund 1119-0000. 01:16:59.906 --> 01:17:09.493 - Clerk's record perpetuation. Second. All right, we got a motion and a second. All those in favor of 01:17:09.493 --> 01:17:18.791 - this motion signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed, same sign. All right. Motion carries. 01:17:18.791 --> 01:17:25.502 - Go ahead. And council, I move that we set line 20001 office supplies. 01:17:25.922 --> 01:17:33.867 - to one dollar and set line three zero zero zero six contractual to one thousand dollars. Second okay 01:17:33.867 --> 01:17:41.812 - we got a motion and a second council Iverson did you want to add anything to that? Yeah this fund in 01:17:41.812 --> 01:17:49.914 - the four B's is showing that it's underwater to the tune of seventy nine thousand dollars. This motion 01:17:49.914 --> 01:17:54.398 - gets us most of the way there but not all the way there. 01:17:54.626 --> 01:18:01.426 - And I think this is particularly given these two lines, there are other lines in the clerk's funds for 01:18:01.426 --> 01:18:08.623 - office supplies and contractual services. But I didn't want to zero them out or set them to $1, particularly 01:18:08.623 --> 01:18:15.226 - contractual services, excuse me. But I think that does help us get closer to getting this fund back 01:18:15.226 --> 01:18:16.414 - toward the black. 01:18:21.570 --> 01:18:28.909 - Thank you for that explanation. Any questions or comments on this item? Councilor Wills. I just spent 01:18:28.909 --> 01:18:36.176 - so much time trying to figure out what was going on that I go too fast. I'm a little confused. Well, 01:18:36.176 --> 01:18:43.011 - if I don't have like a heads up and I don't, did I have a paper? No, there's no paper on this. 01:18:43.011 --> 01:18:50.206 - It's me. I'm just slow. I mean, I think everybody else got it. This is supplies and clerk's record. 01:18:50.498 --> 01:18:58.812 - perpetuation. And that, how much is that fund? Is it a fund issue, I guess you're saying? It's not just 01:18:58.812 --> 01:19:06.567 - a... So in particular, this supplies line, the office supplies line, there's two arguments here. 01:19:06.567 --> 01:19:14.721 - Number one, there are office supplies lines in the clerk's other funds. And number two, if you scroll 01:19:14.721 --> 01:19:19.038 - over to the right, this fund simply hasn't been used. 01:19:20.546 --> 01:19:30.047 - Yeah, of course. Thank you. Any other questions or comments on that? All right. Seeing none, may we 01:19:30.047 --> 01:19:39.642 - please have a roll call vote? Councilor Crossley? Yes. Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor Feidl? Yes. 01:19:39.642 --> 01:19:48.478 - Councilor Hawk? Yes. Councilor Wilts? Yes. Councilor Henry? Yes. And Councilor Deckard? Yes. 01:19:48.802 --> 01:19:55.927 - Motion passes unanimous seven zero. Okay. Thank you very much. Any other motions to make? All right. 01:19:55.927 --> 01:20:03.264 - Did you thought I saw your hand? Well, I just, I want to make, uh, uh, knowing that, uh, council member 01:20:03.264 --> 01:20:10.319 - Henry and I are in talks with the health department to review their budgets, but I don't think that 01:20:10.319 --> 01:20:17.374 - that meeting has been scheduled yet. And it looks like it's going to be a couple of weeks before we 01:20:17.762 --> 01:20:24.113 - talk with them. So that show will be coming to a theater near you, as Greg Gutierrez says. Yeah, 01:20:24.113 --> 01:20:30.725 - he would. May I add, Madam President? And I'd be curious of the council if there's advice points you 01:20:30.725 --> 01:20:37.862 - may have based on that presentation as we go into that discussion. I think there's an array of possibilities 01:20:37.862 --> 01:20:44.605 - that we could approach or propose. But if someone had a thought that they wanted to share now, I think 01:20:44.605 --> 01:20:47.486 - we're all ears. I'm happy to float an idea. 01:20:47.778 --> 01:20:55.206 - across the table that is better than my lawyer one, apparently, to see what happens there. But are there 01:20:55.206 --> 01:21:02.704 - some initial reactions to their presentation to say, hey, could the two of you ask X or Y in that meeting 01:21:02.704 --> 01:21:09.778 - that you'd want to share at this point? I would say, I think, relationships that were south need to 01:21:09.778 --> 01:21:16.286 - be reestablished. And I think that will definitely help. I think some of us went, you know, 01:21:16.610 --> 01:21:26.225 - to hear how things were running versus what we were doing. And I think Dr. Reiterban actually kind of 01:21:26.225 --> 01:21:36.123 - alluded to that when she said there's some conversations and some talks that could be had where we could 01:21:36.123 --> 01:21:46.398 - rekindle and rehash an old flame. So that being said, I think that would help. External relationships. Yeah. 01:21:46.882 --> 01:21:56.602 - Yes, you're welcome. Thank you for allowing me to elaborate on that without doing that. Yes, counselor. 01:21:56.602 --> 01:22:07.070 - When the financial person, which by the way, I thought he did a great job. That would have been really helpful. 01:22:08.546 --> 01:22:16.853 - But I thought when he first started talking, he said something about the 1159. And then he was talking 01:22:16.853 --> 01:22:24.998 - about the self-insurance. Did he say, because what I was hoping he was saying, which was something I 01:22:24.998 --> 01:22:33.304 - would support, is that self-insurance should be wherever the position is. And all this talk, well, the 01:22:33.304 --> 01:22:37.982 - grants will let us put it in there. That's just not true. 01:22:39.042 --> 01:22:47.819 - I'm just saying I want to see in writing from the state, you cannot pay for the insurance for all of 01:22:47.819 --> 01:22:56.510 - these employees. I don't think you're going to see that. But if that be the case, then we just need 01:22:56.510 --> 01:23:05.982 - to spend a whole lot less money in that fund. And if we're going to pay for all the employee expenses of it, 01:23:07.970 --> 01:23:15.172 - I just think that it is crazy for us to allow that many employees grow into 1161 and then say, oh, but 01:23:15.172 --> 01:23:22.165 - we can't pay any expenses for it. That's just how crazy it could be. Because that self-insurance is 01:23:22.165 --> 01:23:28.318 - killing us, folks. It sure is. Any of their own self-insurance in there? Is that right? 01:23:30.626 --> 01:23:38.981 - I saw the auditor's office move their microphone really low, so you all go for it. I think we both have 01:23:38.981 --> 01:23:47.256 - some comments. So we, my team and I met with the health department, it was a couple years ago when the 01:23:47.256 --> 01:23:52.478 - Health First Indiana first came about. The state took issue with 01:23:52.738 --> 01:23:59.321 - the way that the county budgets for self-insurance. We budget per position. So regardless of if the 01:23:59.321 --> 01:24:06.035 - position is filled, we are budgeting per position because we are expecting that position to be filled 01:24:06.035 --> 01:24:12.815 - at some point. So from their perspective, they want to see every dollar go toward their core services. 01:24:12.815 --> 01:24:19.661 - Pardon me. I need to interrupt. Teams, just shut down on me again. Oh. OK. All right. Well. Quick seat. 01:24:19.661 --> 01:24:21.438 - Take a bathroom break, or? 01:24:21.794 --> 01:24:30.842 - We can, we'll recess for about 10 minutes. Okay. It just came back up. Okay, well then nevermind. 01:24:30.842 --> 01:24:40.075 - And action. Okay, go back. Okay, so we met with an official from the Indian Department of Health, a 01:24:40.075 --> 01:24:47.646 - couple of them actually, and they indicated because of the way the county budgets 01:24:47.746 --> 01:24:55.009 - and we were struggling to fill positions at the time that it wasn't appropriate to budget self insurance 01:24:55.009 --> 01:25:02.065 - in that HFI fund, which is the 1161 fund. I believe we do have communication back and forth by email. 01:25:02.065 --> 01:25:09.189 - It has been a couple years, so I'll have to check. We can reach back out and see if their position has 01:25:09.189 --> 01:25:14.654 - changed. I don't think it will have unless there's been turnover at the state. 01:25:14.754 --> 01:25:22.521 - I don't disagree with that. They're saying, we don't want to pay for insurance for people that we don't 01:25:22.521 --> 01:25:29.990 - have. I get it. That's what I'm saying for 1159. We don't want to pay for self-insurance for people 01:25:29.990 --> 01:25:37.981 - we don't have over in 1161. So I just think that as that position is filled, then you fill in the expenses 01:25:37.981 --> 01:25:42.238 - of it, and it all comes out of 1161, and we shouldn't be 01:25:42.530 --> 01:25:50.602 - And saying that we have, I'm making up a number, 18 positions ready to fill over there. We need to make 01:25:50.602 --> 01:25:58.364 - sure that we know, if we did five positions, what the cost would be. As we add them on, keep adding 01:25:58.364 --> 01:26:06.359 - them on to 1161. Because we can vote on that 1161. I do not believe that has to happen right now. What 01:26:06.359 --> 01:26:07.678 - we have to do is 01:26:08.098 --> 01:26:17.851 - vote on the 1159 and I do not think we should include self-insurance for all those folks that aren't 01:26:17.851 --> 01:26:23.742 - even hired yet. I was going to pivot to an underlying issue. 01:26:24.930 --> 01:26:31.299 - I was going to comment on the self insurance. The way the county budgets and works with our vendors 01:26:31.299 --> 01:26:37.795 - to budget for insurance, it's broken down per position. So we rely on every dollar of the funding per 01:26:37.795 --> 01:26:44.291 - position. That's the way it's calculated. So we'd have to change our whole philosophy in order to not 01:26:44.291 --> 01:26:50.660 - scoop all of the money that is put aside budgeted for this for the insurance program. Every time we 01:26:50.660 --> 01:26:51.806 - have people on on 01:26:53.186 --> 01:27:01.553 - We've been through this before. For all the grant positions, that's why we're in trouble because we 01:27:01.553 --> 01:27:10.506 - keep pulling all the grant positions insurance into our self-insurance fund. The levy fund that is health, 01:27:10.506 --> 01:27:19.710 - which is $1,159, that's our levy fund. It's not that unhealthy. It's only underwater to the tune of $349,000. 01:27:20.002 --> 01:27:27.451 - That's still a lot of money. I want to make that clear. That's a lot of money. But it's not millions 01:27:27.451 --> 01:27:34.901 - of dollars. So I think in answer to my co-deason's question of where do we go, I really want to stay 01:27:34.901 --> 01:27:42.277 - in 1159 and try and find. That would be my number one priority is look at that number. Because that 01:27:42.277 --> 01:27:49.726 - quantifies, I think, where we need to be working with them at that $349,000 level. Take the ban out. 01:27:50.050 --> 01:27:56.948 - mobile thing out that happens here right there it's it's a one dollar okay we have to change if we should 01:27:56.948 --> 01:28:03.521 - decide to remove that so they have more cash at the end of the year which then carries it forward to 01:28:03.521 --> 01:28:10.094 - next year we would have to bring that up at a meeting and and disappropriate unappropriate that half 01:28:10.094 --> 01:28:16.667 - million for the van that's what the state's already told us what we're supposed to do if we're going 01:28:16.667 --> 01:28:18.750 - to try to carry your money over 01:28:18.914 --> 01:28:25.677 - to begin at the end of the year, to begin next year. And then if later that's decided we can afford 01:28:25.677 --> 01:28:32.643 - to do it, we can do it. But we need to just take it out of the appropriations for this year and change 01:28:32.643 --> 01:28:39.676 - the forming. That would be my suggestion. I don't know if others had a comment, but I was going to wrap 01:28:39.676 --> 01:28:46.507 - that part up, Madam President, for my end. Go for it. We're good? OK. So I think what I would expect 01:28:46.507 --> 01:28:48.062 - to have us bring back, 01:28:48.578 --> 01:28:54.226 - Councilor Iverson and I have been talking to the three-headed leadership we have now. We're going to 01:28:54.226 --> 01:28:59.873 - work through that. I would expect there are going to be positions they're going to ask to eliminate. 01:28:59.873 --> 01:29:05.465 - I think they're already signaling some of those. I know the Board of Health needs to meet still and 01:29:05.465 --> 01:29:11.337 - talk about their decisions, so I don't want to get ahead of them. And I hear the comment about community 01:29:11.337 --> 01:29:16.928 - partnerships and if there are opportunities that could be MOUs instead of staff. And I would share, 01:29:16.928 --> 01:29:18.494 - I think, this is, you know, 01:29:18.626 --> 01:29:24.051 - crystal ball activity here that we're still going to see the health department come to us with changes. 01:29:24.051 --> 01:29:29.684 - But I think the changes we're going to start seeing may move us in the direction that many in the community 01:29:29.684 --> 01:29:35.160 - have asked for. I know we had a former board member reach out to a few of us indicating that they wanted 01:29:35.160 --> 01:29:40.481 - to see more public health dollars spent in the community. One way to do that is to actually move this 01:29:40.481 --> 01:29:44.862 - money into the community. I know my colleague, Councilor Deckard, has spoken in his 01:29:44.994 --> 01:29:50.683 - his parlance of the idea of health and all strategies, we can't get there if we don't have the means 01:29:50.683 --> 01:29:56.317 - to do it. But if we have a board of health willing to move some stuff around and we have some ideas 01:29:56.317 --> 01:30:02.344 - that we already can take to them in 1159, that's helpful. Please do reach out. I think that we'll probably 01:30:02.344 --> 01:30:08.033 - see them a few times between now and the end of the year. Yeah. Yeah. And we'll see them this coming 01:30:08.033 --> 01:30:10.174 - Tuesday for an ask as well. So, okay. 01:30:10.498 --> 01:30:17.376 - Seeing no other further questions or comments about other departmental budgets, I'm going to go back 01:30:17.376 --> 01:30:24.253 - to the auditor, like we said from the beginning, and look at total. Yeah. Because originally we were 01:30:24.253 --> 01:30:31.335 - saying that we would go through reductions, and then we want to come back and look at the four Bs. Yes. 01:30:31.335 --> 01:30:36.510 - We can take a look at those. I don't know what your appetite is for a brief 01:30:36.706 --> 01:30:44.409 - so we can update the spreadsheet with the reductions that you've already made tonight, the 4B spreadsheet, 01:30:44.409 --> 01:30:51.752 - it would be easier to then, you know, see accurately where the budget actually is. So we can have the 01:30:51.752 --> 01:30:59.311 - levy support that. So would a 10 minute break be okay or? Yes, I just need to make sure my numbers match 01:30:59.311 --> 01:31:05.502 - with Kim's numbers before we proceed. Okay, so let's just do, let's come back at 640. 01:31:06.082 --> 01:31:14.077 - So let's come back to 6 40. Um, give them an opportunity to compare and contrast and then, um, we can 01:31:14.077 --> 01:31:21.914 - have that final look at everything. Okay. Thank you very much. Okay. You're very welcome. So we are 01:31:21.914 --> 01:31:30.066 - in a recess until 6 40. All right. So let us go back to our meeting here. Um, so last time we left off, 01:31:30.066 --> 01:31:32.574 - uh, we needed Michelle and this 01:31:32.770 --> 01:31:41.629 - Woodruff to kind of look at numbers and compare the four B's. And so I'm going to look to Ms. Woodruff 01:31:41.629 --> 01:31:47.134 - and take it away. All right. I'm going to share my screen here. 01:32:00.738 --> 01:32:16.478 - added the amount into the general fund. All righty on the screen before you. 01:32:16.962 --> 01:32:25.161 - should see this updated simple calculation. What we did is we just made adjustments to this budget column 01:32:25.161 --> 01:32:33.282 - to account for the changes that occurred live. These still need edited. So these are on the fly numbers. 01:32:33.282 --> 01:32:41.171 - If we got them wrong, our apologies. We did our best. And that being said, these also don't match the 01:32:41.171 --> 01:32:43.646 - gateway form 4Bs at this point. 01:32:49.826 --> 01:32:58.924 - Great. Anybody have any? Is there any way that we can make that a little bit bigger? If you want to 01:32:58.924 --> 01:33:07.567 - send that to me, I can go print some. I would like that the best. I would not. I'm sorry. God, 01:33:07.567 --> 01:33:14.846 - I keep talking. Who would like a physical copy? Eventually. If you do it, yeah. 01:33:16.162 --> 01:33:34.423 - Okay, so somebody is going to go get this printed for those who celebrate trees. So, okay. Anybody have 01:33:34.423 --> 01:33:38.110 - any other questions? 01:33:38.562 --> 01:33:45.483 - questions or anything else to add. Ms. Woodruff? Sorry, it's just making me re-authenticate to be able 01:33:45.483 --> 01:33:52.269 - to see the document. I thought I saw your hand. Okay. Mr. Iverson. So I think it's nice that this is 01:33:52.269 --> 01:33:59.257 - on the screen. It's nice that we're getting it printed off. The comparison is drastic with what we just 01:33:59.257 --> 01:34:06.043 - did. And I think that that does bear a little bit. So we now see that cumulative capital development 01:34:06.043 --> 01:34:08.126 - is... Oh, what happened there? 01:34:08.450 --> 01:34:19.588 - Yeah, that's crazy. Community capital development now is in the black, right? So it's in positive territory. 01:34:19.588 --> 01:34:29.805 - That's really healthy. So that means that that's wonderful. And then I think once we get the screen 01:34:29.805 --> 01:34:36.958 - back to landscape view, that subtotal for the levy funds is now under 01:34:37.442 --> 01:34:49.675 - a million dollars. That's fantastic. We started the night where the subtotal for levy funds was $2,441,909 01:34:49.675 --> 01:35:01.679 - and now it's $500,000. That's good work, folks. Yay, us. I guess it is pending on Commissioner's action. 01:35:01.679 --> 01:35:06.366 - Oh, yes. Yay, them. Yes, Councilor Haas. 01:35:07.138 --> 01:35:15.976 - Okay I'm trying to figure out what you're doing but in each of the levy funds we need to look at the 01:35:15.976 --> 01:35:25.251 - entire 4B like if you're looking at county general you look at just county general and what we're looking 01:35:25.251 --> 01:35:33.214 - for what we're trying to find is the ending balance the balance at the end of 2027 because 01:35:33.474 --> 01:35:45.382 - That's what we're voting on is what's going to happen for 2027. And remember that balance for 2027 has 01:35:45.382 --> 01:35:57.174 - to carry you through until the end of June 2028. So even if you're not in the red, it still might not 01:35:57.174 --> 01:36:03.070 - be enough to carry you through for half of a year. 01:36:03.842 --> 01:36:13.415 - That's what we're supposed to be doing is making sure that we don't end up without the revenue to start 01:36:13.415 --> 01:36:22.804 - because remember when we get our December payment, you know, when we get that adjustment in December, 01:36:22.804 --> 01:36:32.009 - that money has to carry us through until the end of June unless it's income tax which comes in more 01:36:32.009 --> 01:36:33.022 - regularly. 01:36:33.474 --> 01:36:42.130 - but on the lines that we're counting for property tax, you've got to make sure that that bottom line 01:36:42.130 --> 01:36:50.871 - carries you through to June of 2028. Is that what we're doing? Because that's not what I was hearing. 01:36:50.871 --> 01:36:59.698 - Maybe I didn't understand what you were saying. Go for it. We have made progress toward that. Correct. 01:36:59.698 --> 01:37:02.526 - We have some issues, and I think 01:37:03.234 --> 01:37:14.731 - we could go through right now and look at columns H and I to see exactly what needs to be tweaked because 01:37:14.731 --> 01:37:25.793 - we're at a point where we could continue to look at reducing budgets or we can turn to redistributing 01:37:25.793 --> 01:37:28.830 - levy and that this would be 01:37:31.554 --> 01:37:40.663 - And to put a finer point, I think, on between what the three of us are saying is now that we've reduced 01:37:40.663 --> 01:37:49.771 - that subtotal for levy funds and we've gotten things closer to breakeven point, it's going to make that 01:37:49.771 --> 01:37:59.230 - levy distribution a little bit easier. But I will say, I don't think that we should redistribute the levies 01:38:00.226 --> 01:38:12.585 - I'm nervous about doing that before we talk with the commissioners about the edit funds. Yes, I would 01:38:12.585 --> 01:38:24.701 - think that would be better. I would want to find out from the auditor timing-wise if that works for 01:38:24.701 --> 01:38:28.094 - them. Can I ask a question? 01:38:28.290 --> 01:38:37.750 - Everybody's been doing it, it's okay, just jump in. So, Councillor Hawke's point then is if we, and 01:38:37.750 --> 01:38:47.399 - this is very kind of macro, but if we look at... I apologize for the interruption, but the audio feed 01:38:47.399 --> 01:38:56.670 - has been muted. It needs to be fixed in the NatU Hill Room. I'm gonna... I said such wise things. 01:39:04.546 --> 01:39:12.542 - All right, Council Member Wilts, would you like to say what you were saying? Better now? Yeah, I think, 01:39:12.542 --> 01:39:20.616 - right, TSD, it's picking up what we're saying. Correct. All right, thank you. Thank you for fixing that. 01:39:20.616 --> 01:39:28.766 - Okay. Yeah, thanks. So if we look at general fund, just start with the top line there, and we compare the 01:39:29.602 --> 01:39:40.201 - the estimated cash balance, which is in column I, so that'll be at the end of 2027, that's 33 million, 01:39:40.201 --> 01:39:50.902 - right? Yes. Correct. Roughly then, if we go back to what the 2027 total expenses are, and you're saying 01:39:50.902 --> 01:39:59.134 - we need half of that to, we need to be able to cover half of our 2027 expenses, 01:39:59.522 --> 01:40:06.757 - And you've got to remember, we've got miscellaneous revenue coming in, too. So I thought that's what 01:40:06.757 --> 01:40:13.921 - FSG had given us a balance that we should be looking at. I mean, if we want to see foreign deficit, 01:40:13.921 --> 01:40:21.228 - we look at what the total revenue is for the year, and we look at what the total requests are for the 01:40:21.228 --> 01:40:28.606 - year. And if we're requesting to spend more than we are bringing in, then you're operating in deficit. 01:40:28.802 --> 01:40:36.748 - And that means we're spending down our cash, which we could do until it's gone. And I'm not 01:40:36.748 --> 01:40:45.558 - saying particularly which fund we're talking about. I'm saying each fund we look at, we should see if 01:40:45.558 --> 01:40:54.281 - we're spending in deficit. And we should see if the cash that we have lent, if we have spent it down 01:40:54.281 --> 01:40:57.822 - more each year than what is sustainable. 01:40:57.922 --> 01:41:04.839 - And we have that information. What we are missing in this part is the miscellaneous revenue by fund. 01:41:04.839 --> 01:41:11.688 - Is that right? So I have the miscellaneous revenue hidden right now, but we have two tools that are 01:41:11.688 --> 01:41:18.606 - in your binder that might be really helpful. The first, I believe, is going to be item number three, 01:41:18.606 --> 01:41:24.222 - and that's FSG's target fund balance. Those are the same as last year's minimums. 01:41:24.418 --> 01:41:31.917 - The auditor's office also did an analysis and we determined what we believe would be the minimums that 01:41:31.917 --> 01:41:39.198 - the county would need to abide by. So those are even more conservative than what FSG has published. 01:41:39.330 --> 01:41:47.805 - That is item number four in your packet. In this document, you'll see in column M, we have the auditor's 01:41:47.805 --> 01:41:55.876 - minimum fund balances. And that takes into consideration the ebbs and flows that we saw in 2025, as 01:41:55.876 --> 01:42:00.638 - far as expenditures and revenue goes. Please, Ms. Gregory. 01:42:00.770 --> 01:42:07.176 - Thank you, if I may just interject as well. I just want to remind you the FSG targets are meant for 01:42:07.176 --> 01:42:13.582 - the public and just easy targets to meet. We should never get to those amounts. We won't be able to 01:42:13.582 --> 01:42:19.989 - sustain, we won't be able to pay our bills. So that's why we did a thorough analysis and identified 01:42:19.989 --> 01:42:26.523 - an internal minimum that we should really look at and that will fluctuate year to year. Councilmember 01:42:26.523 --> 01:42:29.854 - Wilts. And my question then becomes just to verify, 01:42:30.338 --> 01:42:38.705 - that the minimum fund balance that you're recommending is um is enough to support half of the year's 01:42:38.705 --> 01:42:46.989 - budget it per you know per counselor hawks comments that would be fine and that and you know we use 01:42:46.989 --> 01:42:54.942 - the 2025 numbers that was the full the last full year we had obviously to analyze and determine 01:42:55.330 --> 01:43:01.639 - the minimum we would need to carry us through to the first settlement. So that takes into consideration, 01:43:01.639 --> 01:43:07.648 - you know, ebbs and flows with revenue. We might not get it on time as anticipated, or we might have 01:43:07.648 --> 01:43:13.777 - an invoice before we anticipate it, things like that. So may I continue? Yeah, please. And then we'll 01:43:13.777 --> 01:43:19.966 - come over to. Oh, I'll defer. I was talking. All right. Council Member Hawke. I'm just saying, and the 01:43:19.966 --> 01:43:22.910 - Auditor's Office would know better by looking at 01:43:23.074 --> 01:43:29.790 - you know, the past history, whether or not some of those big ticket items come in at the first of the 01:43:29.790 --> 01:43:36.440 - year, and maybe we need to adjust it and pay it at the end, you know, the last half of the year. But 01:43:36.440 --> 01:43:43.025 - that June 30th settlement that we get in June 30th, that has to carry you through the whole rest of 01:43:43.025 --> 01:43:49.214 - the year because that December settlement is for the next year. It's not for this year. Yeah. 01:43:51.234 --> 01:44:01.717 - So would you then recommend that line by line we compare column I with column M. That would be a good 01:44:01.717 --> 01:44:12.920 - starting place. We don't want to be at the minimums for all the funds because if an additional appropriation 01:44:12.920 --> 01:44:19.806 - is approved then obviously that would bring down the cash balance. 01:44:20.130 --> 01:44:30.034 - But that would be a very good starting place. OK, I see some issues. I see some alarming issues. Can 01:44:30.034 --> 01:44:39.938 - you talk me off the ledge here a little bit? I need help. I'm scared. I looked at what we just said, 01:44:39.938 --> 01:44:48.862 - and I'm seeing that we are not there. So we're aware that the levy does need moved around. 01:44:50.978 --> 01:44:58.211 - and we're happy to work with you on that. The numbers that you see in column D are where we have the 01:44:58.211 --> 01:45:03.582 - levy set right now. So that's the revenue we'll bring in for property tax. 01:45:04.738 --> 01:45:10.723 - So if you want, we can start playing with these. We're not changing anything officially on the 4Bs. 01:45:10.723 --> 01:45:16.948 - Nothing about what we're doing right in this moment is official, unless obviously you make it official. 01:45:16.948 --> 01:45:22.933 - But this document is intended to allow us to play around with these numbers and see how changes are 01:45:22.933 --> 01:45:28.978 - impacted. I think that would be great. And I just want to reiterate that point. What you're about to 01:45:28.978 --> 01:45:33.886 - see on the screen is for illustration only. We are just showing what is potential 01:45:34.274 --> 01:45:46.868 - This is what we're doing. This is illustration only. So for example, if I were to move the levy in the 01:45:46.868 --> 01:45:59.096 - reassessment fund from 800,000 and change to, let's say, a million, we can see how that impacts the 01:45:59.096 --> 01:46:03.742 - property tax cap, the ending balance, 01:46:03.938 --> 01:46:11.405 - the deficit and then we can also compare that to the minimum fund balance required which this one was 01:46:11.405 --> 01:46:18.726 - a bad one to choose because it doesn't have a minimum fund balance established. But we could do the 01:46:18.726 --> 01:46:26.194 - same thing for example in the election fund we can move that to five hundred thousand and you can see 01:46:26.194 --> 01:46:29.342 - that we're getting closer to that minimum. 01:46:41.954 --> 01:46:49.441 - And for illustration, if you made election even higher, you can see how that then changes the blue column 01:46:49.441 --> 01:46:56.503 - or column I and how that impacts column M or the minimum fund balance column. So when we talk about 01:46:56.503 --> 01:47:03.849 - redistribution of the levies, this is what we're talking about. Correct. And you can redistribute those 01:47:03.849 --> 01:47:08.510 - levies within the cells all the way to the left that have yellow. 01:47:08.706 --> 01:47:30.769 - So the general fund, election, reassessment, health, and aviation. Okay. Council, any questions or comments? 01:47:30.769 --> 01:47:37.854 - I don't like doing math in public. 01:47:39.554 --> 01:47:57.426 - But I think that we need to take some action here, whether it's hearing maybe a proposal and reacting 01:47:57.426 --> 01:48:05.310 - to that or jumping in with knives and forks. 01:48:05.826 --> 01:48:13.929 - We could play around with this illustration and use our time tonight to do that and come up with a couple 01:48:13.929 --> 01:48:21.650 - scenarios where it's all balanced out. I just want to point out, again, a lot of this does depend on 01:48:21.650 --> 01:48:28.759 - the commissioners taking action on the edit agreement. So if we're going to play around with 01:48:28.759 --> 01:48:32.734 - this illustration, I would like to set a time limit 01:48:33.858 --> 01:48:43.601 - Again, we're using public dollars in a public setting and I just want to make sure that we're being 01:48:43.601 --> 01:48:53.539 - good stewards of other people's time as well. Should we proceed or should we move on with our agenda? 01:48:53.539 --> 01:48:55.390 - I have a question. 01:48:56.866 --> 01:49:03.599 - Yeah, I'm a little lost in our calendar. How many more cracks at the whip do we have at this between 01:49:03.599 --> 01:49:10.665 - now and adoption? I mean, by way of meetings and time. You can make changes following the public hearing. 01:49:10.665 --> 01:49:17.465 - So we have some time to play with. Because I agree with Councilor Wilts. We could do math on the fly, 01:49:17.465 --> 01:49:24.198 - and then we could fix it the next time we meet. So I think getting this concrete might bring a solid 01:49:24.198 --> 01:49:26.398 - proposal back rather than trying 01:49:26.626 --> 01:49:34.435 - solve it tonight might make sense to me if we have some opportunities ahead, but we've got to use those 01:49:34.435 --> 01:49:42.094 - opportunities. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's... And I would remind council that the auditor's office has 01:49:42.094 --> 01:49:49.602 - emailed this spreadsheet to you, and in your spare time, you can play around with column D and come 01:49:49.602 --> 01:49:54.558 - up with your own scenarios. Council... Yes, council member Hawke. 01:49:55.938 --> 01:50:06.285 - through this, trying to find the paperwork I wanted to look at. I, for one, had concerns about the part 01:50:06.285 --> 01:50:16.334 - of the budget that's covered by the assessor's office. And so it looked like, for that reassessment, 01:50:16.334 --> 01:50:25.886 - to me, when I was looking at it, it did not look like it was carrying forth enough of a balance 01:50:26.018 --> 01:50:34.236 - for that upcoming year after that. And so I'd like for us to run through those numbers and you show 01:50:34.236 --> 01:50:42.454 - me why I'm wrong. Because I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just saying it was something that I thought 01:50:42.454 --> 01:50:50.754 - made us look like we're running short. Now, maybe the legislation has changed, but it was, had been, 01:50:50.754 --> 01:50:54.206 - that if you run out of money in one fund, 01:50:54.306 --> 01:51:04.319 - You can borrow from the other fund, but you had to pay it back in the same year. Is that still the case? 01:51:04.319 --> 01:51:13.855 - OK, that's still the case. So anything where we've got expenses, then we may have to make sure that 01:51:13.855 --> 01:51:23.486 - that is going to carry us through until the bottom line is going to carry us through until mid-2028. 01:51:24.130 --> 01:51:34.473 - Do you see that? You want to pull that up? Is there a way you can pull up just right now of just the 01:51:34.473 --> 01:51:45.227 - reassessment? I'm working on pulling that up right now. I have so many that says county general. I guess 01:51:45.227 --> 01:51:47.070 - we keep changing. 01:52:01.154 --> 01:52:12.619 - I believe you're looking at this document. Well, I was when I was home, but oh, here I found it. OK. 01:52:12.619 --> 01:52:24.764 - So if we look at the history of what's supposed to be carried forward, what we see here is we are spending 01:52:24.764 --> 01:52:28.510 - in deficit on this thing, right? 01:52:33.314 --> 01:52:52.862 - the four B stands right now. That is correct. However, we are aware that the levy does need to be moved around. 01:52:53.282 --> 01:53:00.933 - And so an increase to the levy in this fund would result in either no deficit or a lesser deficit than 01:53:00.933 --> 01:53:08.436 - what is currently reflected on the 4B. OK. So thanks for sharing that with me, because I thought for 01:53:08.436 --> 01:53:15.939 - some reason the assessor felt like maybe she didn't have a problem. But I mean, they're not going to 01:53:15.939 --> 01:53:20.990 - remember. Department heads are not used to looking at these things. 01:53:21.122 --> 01:53:28.654 - That's up for us to understand, up to the auditors to understand. But the commissioners, the department 01:53:28.654 --> 01:53:36.040 - heads don't look at these. I mean, so. I don't think anybody should be surprised. I'm just looking at 01:53:36.040 --> 01:53:43.572 - it and you can see clearly on reassessment, you can see what the tax levy is minus the tax caps to show 01:53:43.572 --> 01:53:49.438 - the total revenue for this coming year, 774024, and the budget estimates 916640. 01:53:50.818 --> 01:54:01.323 - So if the budget is, and we don't want to end up with not enough money to pay our bills. And I do, this 01:54:01.323 --> 01:54:11.727 - type of detail is really important. And the information that's presented on the screen is the portrait 01:54:11.727 --> 01:54:17.182 - version of what we just had up on the screen as well. 01:54:17.506 --> 01:54:27.751 - So this has the same information as what you're, most of the same information as what you're seeing 01:54:27.751 --> 01:54:38.201 - on the screen. Except that it's so tiny, most people can't see. Except that it's- I am really envious 01:54:38.201 --> 01:54:47.422 - of your good eyesight. Well, it's my baby blues. So seeing nothing else. Okay, thank you. 01:54:47.874 --> 01:54:58.296 - Um, I am going to, um, because we're towards the end right now with a lot of this. Um, and there it's 01:54:58.296 --> 01:55:09.127 - clear that I was kind of actually shocked to see some of the people that are online. Um, and I, it dawned 01:55:09.127 --> 01:55:16.382 - on me when I was coming in and I saw my email, why folks were on line. 01:55:16.834 --> 01:55:25.943 - because it's the L word that everybody is looking to figure out if that's something that we are going 01:55:25.943 --> 01:55:35.231 - to be talking about. And that's longevity. I'm going to say the following. I'm not interested in having 01:55:35.231 --> 01:55:39.518 - the longevity conversation for the 2027 budget. 01:55:40.194 --> 01:55:46.324 - And that sounds kind of harsh when I say I'm not interested I am very much interested in that because 01:55:46.324 --> 01:55:52.393 - obviously that has a lot to do with our general fund I remember distinctly last year We kind of went 01:55:52.393 --> 01:55:58.402 - in and I know folks want to you know put it out there and maybe not be the person to really kind of 01:55:58.402 --> 01:56:04.412 - take up ownership of putting it out there and voting on it and things like that, but I guess for me 01:56:04.412 --> 01:56:08.318 - personally I know we talked last year about bringing this up and 01:56:08.514 --> 01:56:15.427 - throughout the year and making sure that people are understanding that this is something that we were 01:56:15.427 --> 01:56:22.271 - going to be doing. I just feel like as council president, I don't feel like we are there just yet. I 01:56:22.271 --> 01:56:28.574 - know some people have a difference of opinions of, oh, well, maybe we have been saying that. 01:56:29.122 --> 01:56:35.447 - that we have, because in my mind, what I'd like to have done is to really have a conversation about 01:56:35.447 --> 01:56:42.024 - it in the spring and really kind of roll it out. I understand that my president's letter explained that 01:56:42.024 --> 01:56:48.412 - that was something that we were also going to be taking a look at. I just don't think that I'm ready 01:56:48.412 --> 01:56:54.990 - in prime time right now to talk about this for this year. So I understand that's maybe why folks showed 01:56:54.990 --> 01:56:59.038 - up online and some of the emails, but that's just my one little 01:56:59.266 --> 01:57:08.389 - So if anybody else wants to debate that, go ahead right now or make comments about it. But I just, yeah, 01:57:08.389 --> 01:57:16.731 - come at me, bro. But that's what I'm saying to that. So I think, I understand where people are, 01:57:16.731 --> 01:57:25.246 - you know, and trying to advocate for themselves with longevity. I also understand that right now, 01:57:25.410 --> 01:57:33.709 - that is a huge thing that we really do need to take a look at and tackle. And I know we keep talking 01:57:33.709 --> 01:57:42.501 - about it, but I don't think for the 2027 budget we're there yet. Yes, Council Member Henry. And President, 01:57:42.501 --> 01:57:50.801 - thank you for that. I do agree with that sentiment because if to do this right, we would have had to 01:57:50.801 --> 01:57:54.334 - have started this process quite a bit ago. 01:57:55.074 --> 01:58:01.227 - I do feel like it's a little deja vu all over again, because I think I said something like that last 01:58:01.227 --> 01:58:07.623 - year when this came up. The conditions haven't changed. I mean, we are still, I believe, the only county 01:58:07.623 --> 01:58:14.020 - or one of the few in the state that offer both longevity and step. That is not unchanged from last year. 01:58:14.020 --> 01:58:20.112 - We still have some challenges with managing this and thinking long term. But I also reflect on that 01:58:20.112 --> 01:58:24.254 - you're no longer in government and that if we're going to do things 01:58:24.834 --> 01:58:31.300 - like this that are change management challenges, right? We have seen parts of our government go about 01:58:31.300 --> 01:58:37.765 - change without putting it before the public, before committees, before work groups or whatever to get 01:58:37.765 --> 01:58:44.104 - that opinion before you move forward and make a decision and say this is the decision and live with 01:58:44.104 --> 01:58:48.478 - it. I think we'd have to build back from what date we think we would 01:58:49.026 --> 01:58:54.855 - roll out a new proposal and work our way back from that date to say, you know, are these working groups? 01:58:54.855 --> 01:59:00.407 - Are these public meetings? Are we taking survey data? Are we looking at that? You have to really do 01:59:00.407 --> 01:59:06.125 - this work, right? And we're not going to do that in the 30 days leading up to this vote, right, or so. 01:59:06.125 --> 01:59:11.732 - So I agree with you on that, but I would say if it is a serious conversation of how to reimagine our 01:59:11.732 --> 01:59:16.062 - total compensation and benefits to employees to make sure they're not feeling 01:59:16.386 --> 01:59:24.054 - trepidation when they hear the L word, as you just said, we're going to have to build a project around 01:59:24.054 --> 01:59:31.647 - that and work our way backwards. But that's a concerted effort. And if others are interested in that, 01:59:31.647 --> 01:59:39.017 - I think we do need to have that longer conversation publicly with our workforce and the community. 01:59:39.017 --> 01:59:46.238 - Thank you. Yes. To be clear, when this was mentioned at the long-term finance committee meeting, 01:59:47.138 --> 01:59:54.674 - One of the other things that we were advised to do was to put a pause on spending. Well, we tried that. 01:59:54.674 --> 02:00:02.282 - We saw how that worked. It didn't work. It just gave us really long meetings where people came and said, 02:00:02.282 --> 02:00:09.890 - don't do it. But one of the things that when we were talking about putting a pause, I said, well, rather 02:00:09.890 --> 02:00:15.614 - than just saying we're not going to have longevity, let's just, we've got two. 02:00:16.194 --> 02:00:23.532 - We've got longevity, and we have the step increases. And I said, as many different units are doing, 02:00:23.532 --> 02:00:31.016 - they're putting a pause. That doesn't mean that you don't have what you've acquired so far, but we're 02:00:31.016 --> 02:00:38.354 - just going to put a pause on any increases on that until we see where we are with the budgets. That 02:00:38.354 --> 02:00:44.958 - was better than saying we're going to just get rid of something. And it gave people some, 02:00:45.058 --> 02:00:53.492 - way to plan and prepare. But we haven't given them much time to plan and prepare. So I was kind of surprised 02:00:53.492 --> 02:01:01.385 - to see that was part of our discussion for this evening. But if it is, I mean, I'm willing to discuss 02:01:01.385 --> 02:01:09.123 - it. But I just think putting a pause on things is a lot better for the employees to know where they 02:01:09.123 --> 02:01:13.534 - stand than to say, here's this rug and we're pulling it. 02:01:19.362 --> 02:01:27.201 - Anybody else? Yes. Councilmember Decker. I think this is a discussion that has floated up twice in the 02:01:27.201 --> 02:01:34.812 - time I've been on the council. The first time it came up, we made a decision that we would maintain 02:01:34.812 --> 02:01:42.651 - longevity for those in the system and not add it on for those that weren't. I know there's people that 02:01:42.651 --> 02:01:47.294 - have all sorts of issues with that. I don't have that issue. 02:01:48.034 --> 02:01:55.255 - I think the reason that we struggle to ever have this as part of a discussion speaks to, I think, what 02:01:55.255 --> 02:02:02.266 - longevity does for a lot of our folks. And I think if you look back what we've done over the years, 02:02:02.266 --> 02:02:09.488 - we've had to try to do a variety of things. COLA increases. We've done retention during the post-COVID 02:02:09.488 --> 02:02:12.222 - years. We've done training. We've done 02:02:12.354 --> 02:02:19.656 - additional layers that we talk all the time about. Funding one position as one leaves, that was unthinkable 02:02:19.656 --> 02:02:26.417 - back in the day. And larger colas were unthinkable back in the day, if you kind of watch the county 02:02:26.417 --> 02:02:33.246 - historically. I think this is a hard discussion to have for counselors because it's a hard thing for 02:02:33.246 --> 02:02:38.046 - the county body generally. Sometimes when you're looking for economies 02:02:38.498 --> 02:02:45.585 - that you can make on where you save as you're trying to balance a levy or whatever we end up doing half 02:02:45.585 --> 02:02:52.400 - the time. I think sometimes the employee line is something that can be looked at, but there's a lot 02:02:52.400 --> 02:02:59.419 - of reasons that it is where you end up backing off. So I just don't see it here. I see the system that 02:02:59.419 --> 02:03:04.734 - we have sort of like our salary grid as a solution long-term that takes time. 02:03:04.898 --> 02:03:14.066 - But there's trepidation always on this because we always come back to where we get. Last year, 02:03:14.066 --> 02:03:24.007 - a year ago, that initial discussion that we had was extremely difficult for the county body. And I bet 02:03:24.007 --> 02:03:34.526 - we lost a lot of goodwill and sleep on every end of the discussion. And sometimes there's a reason for that. 02:03:34.658 --> 02:03:41.171 - You figure it out as you go. But I think that's why we keep getting back to this position. So I am not 02:03:41.171 --> 02:03:47.557 - in favor of that being a item here before us. I think there's something else in the works if we need 02:03:47.557 --> 02:03:54.069 - it. Great. OK. Anybody else? Yes, Councilor Henry. I'm going to put this out there. It's not a tonight 02:03:54.069 --> 02:04:00.582 - question, but it's one I'll revisit, I think, if we get into this this year. I think that was a really 02:04:00.582 --> 02:04:03.870 - interesting point in time that you described there. 02:04:04.034 --> 02:04:10.275 - But as each year goes on and we have new hires, those new hires don't benefit from that benefit. And 02:04:10.275 --> 02:04:16.577 - so the funnel gets, the math of it will get to a point where a smaller and smaller percentage of that 02:04:16.577 --> 02:04:22.818 - workforce enjoys the benefit compared to those that are not coming on and do not get that benefit. I 02:04:22.818 --> 02:04:28.997 - think that gap and maybe that animus we start to hear might get louder and louder. And I don't have 02:04:28.997 --> 02:04:32.766 - an answer tonight on that, but it's just the numbers do not, 02:04:33.058 --> 02:04:39.596 - suggest that this is going to go away and then we have to think about the retention of the modern workforce 02:04:39.596 --> 02:04:45.710 - that isn't benefiting from that. It's in the neighborhood of a long-term finance question. Anyway, I 02:04:45.710 --> 02:04:52.067 - just share that. But I think we're going to need the data on it, which is what I'm saying. I'll probably 02:04:52.067 --> 02:04:56.062 - be digging for data to say, show me year in and year out how that 02:04:56.642 --> 02:05:03.778 - where that decline is, or maybe folks are staying 40 years and keeping that, and they're never leaving, 02:05:03.778 --> 02:05:10.845 - and they're taking their longevity in steps as they go. I don't know what the answers are to that, but 02:05:10.845 --> 02:05:17.981 - that would be a key piece of data I'd need before we could go on with it, but that's it. No. Well, yes, 02:05:17.981 --> 02:05:25.048 - Councilor Wilts. I think we've talked about it more than twice in the past eight years that we've been 02:05:25.048 --> 02:05:26.558 - on council, actually. 02:05:27.202 --> 02:05:36.582 - discussed it as part of the WIS study when it was first recommended, and I have brought it up repeatedly. 02:05:36.582 --> 02:05:45.431 - And when we agreed to have a long-term finance committee, it was part of what long-term finance was 02:05:45.431 --> 02:05:54.281 - going to look at was the expenses and benefits related to personnel and how best to manage those in 02:05:54.281 --> 02:05:56.670 - a way that is sustainable. 02:05:57.218 --> 02:06:07.352 - And I fully appreciate that this is not something we're gonna act on tonight. That's 100% fine. And 02:06:07.352 --> 02:06:17.688 - I do hope that, whether it's Long-Term Finance Committee or something else, that we do pull that data 02:06:17.688 --> 02:06:25.694 - that Councilor Henry's referring to and take a close look, because I feel that 02:06:26.306 --> 02:06:36.268 - even more so now that we've stopped the benefit for some and kept it for others, it's a very inequitable 02:06:36.268 --> 02:06:46.040 - system. And the money that we save doing that could be applied to a COLA that would benefit everybody. 02:06:46.040 --> 02:06:53.630 - We could just do that at any point in time. Say, okay, take that, redistribute. 02:06:53.794 --> 02:07:02.686 - That is a reflection of kind of how I value things. I get that, and that's not how everyone looks at 02:07:02.686 --> 02:07:11.578 - it. But I think it's more than just flipping a switch, yes, no, on valuing employees. It's much more 02:07:11.578 --> 02:07:20.382 - complicated, and it does deserve some consideration and outreach to those affected. So I appreciate 02:07:20.382 --> 02:07:21.438 - that. Yeah. 02:07:21.538 --> 02:07:28.460 - Thank you. And the only thing I'll add to that is I appreciate the conversation that we've had. Obviously, 02:07:28.460 --> 02:07:34.993 - this longevity affects people in many different ways. As we saw last year when we talked about it, I 02:07:34.993 --> 02:07:41.526 - think we got a lot of reasons why people thought that we should not do away with it. And I think for 02:07:41.526 --> 02:07:48.254 - me, for that particular reason, because so many people, there are quite a few people that depend on it. 02:07:48.706 --> 02:07:56.456 - I'd like to have a rollout and an ongoing conversation. So hopefully it would be in the best interest 02:07:56.456 --> 02:08:04.510 - of us late this year or early next year to talk about what that future holds. And that could be something 02:08:04.510 --> 02:08:12.107 - that we could do with long term finance. But really make sure that we are driving this into people. 02:08:12.107 --> 02:08:17.502 - This is the way that we are going. But it sounds like nobody wants to. 02:08:18.402 --> 02:08:26.091 - have that as a discussion for the 2027 year. Yes. And I will just say for those of you who are interested 02:08:26.091 --> 02:08:33.563 - in data, long-term finance did go over some data. I think it was the second quarter meeting. I believe 02:08:33.563 --> 02:08:40.962 - June 30th. Yeah, so if you're interested in knowing what the data is, go back to CATS, go back to and 02:08:40.962 --> 02:08:45.822 - watch that meeting because that'll give you all the data you need. 02:08:48.354 --> 02:08:56.667 - All right, well, are there any other further questions or comments? All right, seeing none, oh, sorry, 02:08:56.667 --> 02:09:05.141 - Councillor Feinstein. I look forward to some sort of resolution that we can live with for the long haul, 02:09:05.141 --> 02:09:13.534 - whatever that is, and a well-respected way to look at it all that values everyone, whether they're new, 02:09:13.954 --> 02:09:22.552 - or long term employees who currently receive it. But I do think there's an inequity there that just 02:09:22.552 --> 02:09:31.579 - doesn't feel quite comfortable. Sure. Yeah. I concur and definitely agree with that. Okay. Well, council 02:09:31.579 --> 02:09:40.693 - members, that concludes seven crazy nights that equated to three weeks of budget. Again, as we mentioned, 02:09:40.693 --> 02:09:43.358 - public hearing is October 6th. 02:09:43.618 --> 02:09:49.782 - The final adoption is October 20th. However, before then, we get to have a nice little conversation 02:09:49.782 --> 02:09:56.131 - related to budget, which is at our regular session meeting this upcoming Tuesday, but we are adjourned 02:09:56.131 --> 02:09:58.782 - for the 2027 budget presentation hearings.