WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.860 - Okay, welcome everybody and we apologize for our tardiness today is Tuesday, September 16 2025. And 00:00:07.860 --> 00:00:12.000 - today is our regular county council meeting. 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:16.060 - And so here for the record and the night you hillbill room I'm going to start from the left here. 00:00:16.060 --> 00:00:23.000 - We have counselors Liz Spiro Kate wolves Trent Deckard, and Peter Iverson. 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:27.000 - And I know that counselor. 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:33.860 - Henry was supposed to start virtually so I'm, I'm still trying to log in here and see I know he's 00:00:33.860 --> 00:00:35.000 - coming in. 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:43.400 - So, neither counselor Henry or talk are here but when they are here we will note for the record 00:00:43.400 --> 00:00:48.900 - their arrival. So, next up on the agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance so all those able to stand 00:00:48.900 --> 00:00:52.000 - please stand for the pledge. 00:00:52.000 --> 00:01:09.990 - The republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for 00:01:09.990 --> 00:01:13.000 - all. 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:24.000 - Okay. And so next up is the adoption of tonight's agenda does any council member wish to make 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:24.000 - changes to tonight's agenda. 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:31.500 - Okay. And seeing no changes. I am going to see if we can do this by voice vote since we don't have 00:01:31.500 --> 00:01:39.140 - anybody virtually just yet. So all those in favor of a proven tonight's agenda signify by saying 00:01:39.140 --> 00:01:40.000 - aye. 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:55.000 - Opposed same sign. All right, motion carries. We have a definite packed agenda so I hope you got 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:55.000 - your jammies and your treats because we are in for a long way. 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:59.910 - But it's the business of the public so that is what we are going to do. Next up is public comments 00:01:59.910 --> 00:02:04.000 - so this is for items that are not on tonight's agenda. 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:08.120 - So if you are sitting here in the natural room and you feel compelled to make a comment about 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:13.460 - something that's not on the agenda. You can come forward to the lectern here in the natural room, 00:02:13.460 --> 00:02:18.000 - you'll have up to three minutes, or you can raise your hand via teams. 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:27.000 - And I thought I saw one of the yellow emoji hands via teams raised, I did. Okay. 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:36.000 - So, if you are on teams, Mr. mg you can go ahead and unmute and you'll have up to three minutes. 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:42.060 - And thank you, Madam President, good evening, my name is Mr. energy for greater business and growth 00:02:42.060 --> 00:02:43.000 - commerce. 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:50.310 - I do not envy you at all each department comes to you during these budget requests and the type of 00:02:50.310 --> 00:02:58.000 - community needs yet, you're first, you're forced to say no, no, no, this is not easy work. 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:14.340 - I think you were asking one only made that harder. I commend your discipline and perspective that 00:03:14.340 --> 00:03:17.410 - it requires. But here we are. It's the 2016 budget traffic carrying $8 million deficit a serious 00:03:17.410 --> 00:03:18.780 - challenge that Monroe County has managed to finances with foresight that many of its neighbors is 00:03:18.780 --> 00:03:20.000 - not. 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:26.920 - Make maintaining your ready date on the general reserves, made above state averages by comparison 00:03:26.920 --> 00:03:33.430 - large counties have a near as projected near zero general fund balance and payroll deficits of 00:03:33.430 --> 00:03:37.000 - counties had their door fall audit issues. 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:43.220 - Monroe County is in a stronger position because of sort of shift like the county council, the 00:03:43.220 --> 00:03:48.000 - chamber urge you not to rely on the reserve funding set as a true blast. 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:53.000 - What the reserves are depleted options narrow quickly. 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:56.000 - Rebuilding those balances take years. 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:59.000 - The Justice Center financing at further complexity. 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:04.800 - Hang with that project that this magnitude requires really staying firm within our needs while 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:11.040 - looking at long different long term operation approach that means investing efficiently, staffing 00:04:11.040 --> 00:04:15.000 - sustainability diversion programs that reduce future costs. 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:19.950 - I appreciate your leadership. I know the chamber appreciates your leadership under these difficult 00:04:19.950 --> 00:04:24.600 - circumstances I want to thank you for the work on behalf of the community and good luck tonight, as 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:27.000 - you prepare for another marathon meeting. 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:30.000 - Thank you for your time. 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:33.000 - We appreciate that. Thank you very much. 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:38.190 - All right. Is there anybody here in the night you hill room that wish to make public comment on 00:04:38.190 --> 00:04:43.390 - tonight's or on items that are not on tonight's agenda again you can come forward to the lectern 00:04:43.390 --> 00:04:48.000 - here in the night you hill room, or if there are more community members 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:56.000 - you can raise your hand via teams. 00:04:56.000 --> 00:05:03.000 - Seeing none. All right. Well, we appreciate. 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:11.080 - Do we know. Okay. All right. We had another taker. Okay, so seeing none in the night you hill room 00:05:11.080 --> 00:05:17.090 - and seeing none, virtually via teams we will go ahead with item number five, which is department 00:05:17.090 --> 00:05:18.000 - updates. 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:23.740 - These are items for department updates for items, not on the agenda, and each department is more 00:05:23.740 --> 00:05:29.410 - than welcome to raise your hand via teams, or you can come forward to the lectern here in the night 00:05:29.410 --> 00:05:30.000 - you hill room and give your 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:37.280 - department update, and each department will have up to 10 minutes, so the floor is now open for 00:05:37.280 --> 00:05:44.290 - those who are in the night you hill room, and I would like to make department updates for items not 00:05:44.290 --> 00:05:46.000 - on tonight's agenda. 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:51.000 - The record we have counselor hawk in the building. 00:05:51.000 --> 00:06:01.000 - And seeing none on via teams. All right, you're pretty quiet today. 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:19.090 - All right, so next up is item number six which are the consent agenda items. Council I move to 00:06:19.090 --> 00:06:19.540 - approve the following consent agenda item for September 16, a, the highway department's request and 00:06:19.540 --> 00:06:20.000 - fund 8176 dash 0000 Eagleton bridge number 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:29.950 - 922 for the creation of account line 37416 design be the highway department's request and fund 1176 00:06:29.950 --> 00:06:39.390 - dash 0000 motor vehicle highway, a category transfer of $30,000 from the personnel category to the 00:06:39.390 --> 00:06:41.000 - supplies category. 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:49.670 - C, the aviation department's request and fund 1107 dash 0000 aviation fund, a category transfer 00:06:49.670 --> 00:06:57.820 - from $10,000 to the from the supplies category to the capital category, and D, the county council 00:06:57.820 --> 00:07:07.000 - summary minutes from July 8 and 22 and August 8 12 and 26 for 2025. 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:15.100 - All of those meetings. Second. All right, we got a motion and a second does council wish to make 00:07:15.100 --> 00:07:17.000 - any comment on the consent agenda items. 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:22.670 - I know I had sent early this morning, late last night early this morning and it looks like those 00:07:22.670 --> 00:07:27.000 - got corrected so appreciate that. Thank you very much. 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:30.000 - Does anybody else have anything. 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:40.000 - All right. Seeing none. Since we still don't have a counselor via teams, and we have six of us here. 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:47.000 - All those in favor of approving tonight's consent agenda items signify by saying aye. 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:54.220 - All right. Motion carries. Thank you so much. Next up we will get on with the business at hand. And 00:07:54.220 --> 00:07:59.000 - we have item number seven which is ongoing business and first up is the health department. 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:06.180 - Council as a reminder, this is the second reading of this request due to the lack of unanimous vote 00:08:06.180 --> 00:08:10.000 - as at the August 12 2025 meeting. 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:18.000 - I move to approve the health department's request to amend the 2025 salary ordinance and fund 1161 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:25.000 - dash 0000 local public health services to remove the positions outlined on the agenda. 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:31.320 - Second. All right, we got a motion in a second. And we have Miss Kelly here along with board member 00:08:31.320 --> 00:08:34.000 - Lisa Robinson. Welcome. 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:39.470 - Welcome. Good evening. So I'm not sure that there's a whole lot to add to this request. We're just 00:08:39.470 --> 00:08:45.160 - coming back an additional time. So the reason that we moved these positions is due to legislative 00:08:45.160 --> 00:08:46.000 - changes. 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:51.650 - So these two positions oversee public health emergency preparedness. So we really thought that it 00:08:51.650 --> 00:08:57.010 - was in the best interest to move the move those positions to an alternative funding source just to 00:08:57.010 --> 00:09:04.000 - ensure that we can serve anyone in need in a public health emergency. 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:11.410 - All right. Thank you very much. And I already see a hand by Councilor Hawk. Go ahead. Yes, I know 00:09:11.410 --> 00:09:19.000 - there's been much conversation about anything being moved to 1159. 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:29.110 - And so I would like for you to comment on that. Mr. Iverson did when you met with them or is there 00:09:29.110 --> 00:09:33.000 - anyone else have an update about that. 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:40.380 - I think what. Well, first of all, let us be really clear and Ms. Kelly, please chime in at any 00:09:40.380 --> 00:09:47.000 - point. I'm just speaking as your liaison 1159 it refers to one of your funds. 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:55.000 - And that's where we moved a lot of these positions to 1161 is where we're at today. 00:09:55.000 --> 00:10:01.090 - And so we're talking about moving positions between two different funds. So when we're using these 00:10:01.090 --> 00:10:06.680 - numbers, I want to be really clear for the public that we're talking about positions that are 00:10:06.680 --> 00:10:13.000 - moving from one health department fund to another, even though we're using numbers to clarify that. 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:25.000 - They lose anything in translation. 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:49.270 - Can I hear. Well, sure. Okay. Yeah, so the positions have already been moved and approved into 1159 00:10:49.270 --> 00:10:50.480 - a meeting ago, the, there was a request to de appropriate 1161 for these positions that the 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:51.000 - appropriation was approved. 00:10:51.000 --> 00:11:04.100 - The removal from the salary ordinance was not approved. And this is to get us in tandem with our, 00:11:04.100 --> 00:11:08.760 - what you guys have already taken care of. So, this is just to catch us up on the salary ordinance 00:11:08.760 --> 00:11:13.000 - with regards to what's been appropriated and the appropriate. 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:18.000 - Okay, Madam President. Yes, of course I get all of that. 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:23.400 - And Kate was anxious to say something if you want to jump in here before I think you're probably 00:11:23.400 --> 00:11:29.170 - going to point out the difference between the funds and the right, you know, we're talking numbers 00:11:29.170 --> 00:11:33.000 - and the public might want to know why it makes a difference. 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:40.460 - 1159 is the fund that is in part of what we call the frozen levy. So the more positions that we put 00:11:40.460 --> 00:11:48.230 - in 1159, there's less dollars over there to make payroll for everything covered in county general 00:11:48.230 --> 00:11:52.000 - and everything else that's within that frozen levy. 00:11:52.000 --> 00:12:03.850 - So I really object to moving positions over to 1159 from a grant fund. But when when that one hadn't 00:12:03.850 --> 00:12:10.380 - happened earlier, let me just make it clear when that happened earlier, a lot's happened since that 00:12:10.380 --> 00:12:11.000 - time. 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:19.660 - And I think more is going to be addressed on that situation. So, I would not want it. I was the one 00:12:19.660 --> 00:12:24.960 - that said, Oh, well, let's not do appropriate yet because we got to make sure we got the money 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:26.000 - moved over. 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:32.880 - I get that. But since that time we've seen some major changes in what our revenue situation is 00:12:32.880 --> 00:12:39.910 - going to be, as well as a request for spending. So, I would expect that this council is going to 00:12:39.910 --> 00:12:46.000 - want just move these people right back over to 1161 into the grant. 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:53.000 - I do not know that and that's the reason why I thought I might get more clarity. Thank you. 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:57.000 - Okay, thank you. Councilor. 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:05.680 - Oh, just to be very blunt, I think there is a possibility that we're going to have to make changes 00:13:05.680 --> 00:13:13.120 - and verse, what we did before, I don't know that that's necessarily happening but when we discuss 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:17.000 - the budget later in this same meeting. 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:25.190 - We have to fix some stuff, and I know that's on the short list just from our previous conversations, 00:13:25.190 --> 00:13:32.000 - my suggestion might be to table this item until we figure out what we're doing. 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:39.640 - That's not helpful to to continuity, but I think we're already at a point where continuity is not 00:13:39.640 --> 00:13:47.380 - really happening. That's just my suggestion so I would move to table until a few table till later 00:13:47.380 --> 00:13:49.000 - in the meeting. 00:13:49.000 --> 00:14:00.760 - Is that thing. Thanks, amend the agenda. I moved to amend the agenda to move this particular item, 00:14:00.760 --> 00:14:03.000 - just the sub item to. 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:09.000 - After the budget discussion item on the agenda sorry, I'm looking at it here. 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:14.000 - After number 10. 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:20.000 - Number 10 B. Sorry. 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:24.000 - Okay, just put it at the end of the 10th. 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:26.000 - Does anyone. 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:32.400 - What counselor will to say and is because just to have everybody know and understand and count to 00:14:32.400 --> 00:14:39.120 - counselor hawks point arm, as we discussed last week in, and the budget, obviously there are some 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:46.500 - things that have happened and have come about, where we now are faced with making maybe making some 00:14:46.500 --> 00:14:51.100 - changes and if it's the will of the council majority of the council to kind of move those items 00:14:51.100 --> 00:14:55.000 - back into the funding where it came from. 00:14:55.000 --> 00:15:04.230 - But this was an ongoing business that came about, didn't have an anonymous vote and so therefore, 00:15:04.230 --> 00:15:12.820 - counselor wilts is asking to move this particular item which is seven a to the end of this agenda 00:15:12.820 --> 00:15:21.000 - and county council business when we are talking about the 2026 budget of years. 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:26.000 - So, she motioned and I don't think I've heard a second. 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:35.000 - Okay, we got a motion in a second. Is there any discussion on this motion here. 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:38.000 - Did you all have anything to add to. Yes. 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:46.140 - Yes, thank you. I just want to remind council that because of state mandates, moving the funds from 00:15:46.140 --> 00:15:55.130 - the 1159 fund the levy fund back to 1161 means that we have to follow for what those funds are used 00:15:55.130 --> 00:15:58.000 - for we have to follow the state mandates. 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:06.790 - So those funds can only be used for citizens, and those people have to provide proof of citizenship 00:16:06.790 --> 00:16:16.220 - so that really affects those decisions and moving that back to 1161 I think the original plan, or 00:16:16.220 --> 00:16:20.000 - the original idea with moving them from 1161 back to the levy 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:28.320 - fund was so that all persons could be served even if they were not citizens. So that's really an 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:32.000 - important nuance to consider. 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:39.490 - Yes, okay. I'd like to make sure that that doesn't go out into the air that you have to be citizens 00:16:39.490 --> 00:16:47.000 - because that's not what the legislation says they can be here as long as they're here legally. 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:53.080 - I don't think they're here as a student visa they're here on whatever you can't say it's just 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:59.490 - because they're not citizens, and that's just incorrect and we don't want that going out to the 00:16:59.490 --> 00:17:03.000 - public, because it's not it's not a correct statement. 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:17.000 - I'm going to look to our attorney miss Turner King for this, so that we can kind of move along here. 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:22.000 - And since you know it has been stated by Miss Robinson and then. 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:31.260 - That was my understanding as the reason why but I just want to get a clarification for this, and 00:17:31.260 --> 00:17:34.000 - then we can vote on this. 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:53.000 - Okay. Okay. In the meantime, I guess I had a question for you all. 00:17:53.000 --> 00:18:16.030 - So when this first started back earlier this summer I think maybe may one of my first proposals, 00:18:16.030 --> 00:18:21.000 - which was what some of some other health departments are doing is to split fund all positions. 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:27.750 - So take that entire amount. And so I had met with Michelle, and we kind of drafted this idea and 00:18:27.750 --> 00:18:34.000 - this proposal of half of the money and 1159 the other half and 1161. 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:44.080 - So, that's one way there are counties that have just moved positions back to their county levy fund. 00:18:44.080 --> 00:18:53.370 - There are some counties that just because of the overall reductions have started to eliminate 00:18:53.370 --> 00:18:55.000 - positions. 00:18:55.000 --> 00:19:04.290 - So, it's kind of happening at a couple different ways. I think the most challenging part of this is, 00:19:04.290 --> 00:19:06.000 - I'm not an attorney. 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:15.000 - No one in our department is an attorney. And how do we interpret and apply this. 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:25.990 - It's very anxiety, I mean, provoking, I mean, just trying to understand and follow this so that we're 00:19:25.990 --> 00:19:28.000 - in compliance. 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:34.640 - But then what do we do in those situations where someone doesn't have documentation, or they don't 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:40.960 - want to provide that and then you kind of get into a situation where we're just trying to provide 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:44.000 - basic public health services, and we're operating 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:46.000 - like we're the BMV. 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:55.460 - And so, have you also thought about working with other community groups like health or other groups, 00:19:55.460 --> 00:20:02.000 - potentially, you know, I just wanted to get your take and see if y'all thought about that. 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:10.230 - So, I wouldn't feel comfortable speaking on specific organizations, but I would feel comfortable 00:20:10.230 --> 00:20:18.000 - making sure that we're all aware that we have actually had our community partners pull back. 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:30.120 - So, because of this, these requirements and these changes, and just the discomfort and the, again, 00:20:30.120 --> 00:20:35.000 - just trying to figure out the compliance. 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:41.090 - And so that's, that's been a challenge because now there's this situation of, we've had community 00:20:41.090 --> 00:20:47.370 - partnerships, we're trying to grow that but now this like, oh, well, no, we can't operate like that 00:20:47.370 --> 00:20:50.000 - we don't operate like that. 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:59.000 - And I know we're out of time now, but I wanted to see with Mr and a king or she had that pulled up. 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:07.390 - So I'm looking at Indiana code 1646 10 3 and subsection F and that code says funds may only be used 00:21:07.390 --> 00:21:13.000 - for Indiana residents who are lawfully present in the United States. 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:21.360 - And when you look at the history of that code section 2025 amendment, substitute it lawfully 00:21:21.360 --> 00:21:24.000 - present for legal citizens. 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:30.000 - Okay. Okay. So I got my degree, not in law. 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:36.000 - And I don't know if anybody else up here did but the it's the will of the council to figure out the 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:42.000 - financial aspect of this so sounds like your interpretation is what Mr and a king was talking about. 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:52.040 - Okay. So, as a reminder, we got a motion on the floor to move this item to item 10 to have the 00:21:52.040 --> 00:21:54.000 - conversation. When it comes to the larger 2026 budget. 00:21:54.000 --> 00:22:13.380 - So, with that being said, may we please have a roll call vote. Since you're just moving the item on 00:22:13.380 --> 00:22:14.440 - the agenda, it can be a box. That's right. Okay. That's right. Okay, so all those in favor of 00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:20.000 - moving seven, a to 10, or to item 10 which is just the 2026 budget conversation signify by saying I. 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:24.000 - I, all those opposed same sign. 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:31.480 - Okay, motion carries. So again we'll. Sounds like y'all in for the long run too. Okay. But you're 00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:35.770 - still sitting there because you still got more business with us so item eight is news, the start of 00:22:35.770 --> 00:22:39.000 - new business, which is the health department. 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:45.510 - To approve the health department's request and fund 8104 dash 9626 public health emergency 00:22:45.510 --> 00:22:52.900 - preparedness create new account lines, and to simultaneously approve additional appropriations of $10,724 00:22:52.900 --> 00:23:02.460 - and 63 cents in the supplies category and $9,275 and 37 cents in the services category for a total 00:23:02.460 --> 00:23:06.000 - appropriation of $20,000. 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:10.000 - Okay, what would you like to add to this. 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:15.000 - This is just standing standard funding that the health department has been receiving for many years. 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:23.590 - The amount did was reduced slightly $5,000 during this grant period, but this helps just to support 00:23:23.590 --> 00:23:28.000 - our public health emergency preparedness programs. 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:35.220 - All right, thank you for that. And look into my left to see if anybody has any questions on this 00:23:35.220 --> 00:23:36.000 - item. 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:39.000 - Looking to my right and seeing if anybody has any. 00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:48.120 - No. Okay, so, oh, I'm so used to being budget mode now, now we got to go back to public comment. If 00:23:48.120 --> 00:23:52.920 - you have public comment on this item, you can come forward to the lectern here in the night you 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:57.000 - hill room or raise your hand via teams. 00:23:57.000 --> 00:24:04.000 - If you have any questions on maybe please have a roll call vote. 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:06.000 - Councilor vital. Yes. 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:08.000 - Councilor will. 00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:11.000 - Yes. Councilor hawk. Yes. 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:14.000 - Councilor cross. 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:20.140 - The partner constant cross Lee. Yes. Councilor Iverson. Yes. Councilor Decker. Yes. Motion passes 00:24:20.140 --> 00:24:24.000 - 60. All right, next up is item B. 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:30.260 - The health department's request and fund 8104-9625 public health emergency preparedness to de 00:24:30.260 --> 00:24:38.430 - appropriate 30 cents in the personnel category $62.16 in the supplies category $438.94 in the 00:24:38.430 --> 00:24:49.000 - services category and $150.10 in the capital category for a total de appropriation of $651.50. 00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:54.000 - Thank you. Okay, Miss Kelly. 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:59.530 - This is just a housekeeping items our financial manager is really trying to stay on top of, you 00:24:59.530 --> 00:25:05.350 - know, reconciling our grant funds and so this is just funding that we did not use during the grant, 00:25:05.350 --> 00:25:08.000 - the last grant cycle, so. 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:15.160 - I'm looking here, I just had a, I guess a quick question before I take it, or give it back to the 00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:21.810 - larger council is there any particular reason why we like. Well, besides the fact that we just didn't 00:25:21.810 --> 00:25:27.000 - use it, is there any other reason why that just went unspent. 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:33.450 - Yes, it was timing trying to get down to I mean it takes a while to get supply requests in and get 00:25:33.450 --> 00:25:39.830 - orders and to get invoices so we were working to try to spend all of that money out but trying to 00:25:39.830 --> 00:25:45.000 - align it with those dollar amounts and get it in to be able to get an invoice 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:51.870 - before the end of the cycle, just didn't happen. Okay. All right. Thank you. All right, now look 00:25:51.870 --> 00:25:57.000 - into the larger council here to see if anybody has any questions on this item. 00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:05.020 - This is maybe tangential to this item so this should come up another time that you mentioned your 00:26:05.020 --> 00:26:13.670 - financial managers working on this, and your financial manager hasn't been to see us at all during 00:26:13.670 --> 00:26:16.000 - these, the budget meetings. 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:25.920 - I'm just wondering why, because all the other departments bring their financial manager. Is there a 00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:27.000 - reason. 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:31.000 - Not necessarily I guess just because I'm used. 00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:37.610 - When I was with Penny and kind of going through that process with her, and just bringing these 00:26:37.610 --> 00:26:41.000 - items, sort of like when I was mentoring with Penny. 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:46.000 - So I guess that's why. 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:51.000 - Because you didn't bring anybody then. Yeah. 00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:54.000 - It might be. 00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:57.000 - Well, I'm not gonna tell you how to do your job. 00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:02.870 - Well, I was curious to that effect too, when it comes to that, because there's another deappropriation 00:27:02.870 --> 00:27:08.350 - here for something else too. And I guess I'm wondering, because I know that the auditor's office 00:27:08.350 --> 00:27:11.000 - usually works with financial managers. 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:19.000 - Is there a way in which like the auditor's office would be able to work with the financial manager, 00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:24.000 - so that, you know, we can spend down every penny, even though I know this is a small amount here. 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:29.870 - But that's still money that we are given back. And so, I know we've had this happen a couple of 00:27:29.870 --> 00:27:36.000 - times already and it's great that we're finding it, but I wish that we can be spending it as well. 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:43.070 - So I guess I was just wondering how, how could, you know, your financial manager work with the 00:27:43.070 --> 00:27:49.800 - auditor's office or counsel for them, all of the above, so that we can try to make sure that we 00:27:49.800 --> 00:27:52.000 - spend these dollars down. 00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:57.960 - I guess it's really, I guess that's something to think about and consider how we can kind of expedite 00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:03.840 - the processes and streamline processes in the, in the future to align our budgets and to be able to 00:28:03.840 --> 00:28:09.000 - make category in house transfers to use down all of the funds. 00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:15.000 - All right. Thank you. All right. Anybody else have any other questions on this item. 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:22.590 - All right, seeing none. If you have public comment on this item, come forward to the lectern here 00:28:22.590 --> 00:28:27.000 - in the night you hill room or raise your hand via teams. 00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:35.000 - All right, and seeing none. Maybe please have a roll call vote. 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:50.000 - Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:56.580 - Okay, next up is item C council I move to approve the health department's request and fund 81 12 00:28:56.580 --> 00:29:04.080 - dash 9626 STD strengthening prevention for the creation of account line one zero one four to 00:29:04.080 --> 00:29:13.000 - disease intervention specialist, and to simultaneously approve an additional appropriation of $58,835 00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:16.000 - in the personnel category. 00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:21.000 - Okay. Okay. And what would you like to add to this item. 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:27.390 - So, due to the recent district expansion of our GIS services. This is additional funding that was 00:29:27.390 --> 00:29:30.000 - supporting an additional position. 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:38.990 - So, this would be to cover the salary expenses for a fourth disease intervention specialist and the 00:29:38.990 --> 00:29:45.000 - grant term it would end still February 28 of 2026. 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:47.000 - All right. 00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:51.980 - All right, I'm going to go to counsel Iverson and then counselor Hawk. And there's reason to 00:29:51.980 --> 00:29:56.410 - celebrate here because for a while we had said, we're not going to do a fourth position because we 00:29:56.410 --> 00:29:59.000 - don't have the grant funding we went around and around and around 00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:09.000 - and we finally have the grant contract, and the language for this so it's reason to celebrate. 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:16.610 - Okay, counselor Hawking then I'll go and I'm looking at the same. It covers into the end of the 00:30:16.610 --> 00:30:21.000 - grant cycle on February 28 2026 well we're almost upon it. 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:23.000 - Right. 00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:28.000 - Same question, go for it. 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:34.020 - So it's this amount, not equal to their annual salary it's equal to what they would earn between 00:30:34.020 --> 00:30:36.000 - now and the end of February. 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:42.630 - So, the amount is estimated around April, because that's when we first started the discussions for 00:30:42.630 --> 00:30:44.000 - additional funding. 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:49.000 - So, it just covers a portion not the, not the full. 00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:56.120 - It covers. It's supposed to be retroactive then to April, it would have been if we would have 00:30:56.120 --> 00:31:00.000 - received approval for the position. 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:06.000 - Would we be able to spend it. 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:09.000 - No. 00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:12.000 - Okay. 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:20.180 - Be able to use a portion of it but again, just because of the timing when we made the request and 00:31:20.180 --> 00:31:24.000 - then waiting for the additional funds. 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:29.630 - So, one of the reasons why we did that is because the best practice was, we were waiting for that 00:31:29.630 --> 00:31:31.000 - contract to happen. 00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:38.290 - And so we've had other departments that have come through that have had that another difference of 00:31:38.290 --> 00:31:45.180 - opinions on all sides, but I think we were waiting for that contract to come in, because that was 00:31:45.180 --> 00:31:48.000 - what we have done for everything. 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:54.750 - Yes, I mean I think part of our challenge with this also is, we had two different grant funds going 00:31:54.750 --> 00:32:01.630 - on that was supporting our disease intervention programming plus we had some funding set aside, and 00:32:01.630 --> 00:32:04.000 - the health first Indiana. 00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:10.700 - So, it's, it can be when we're talking about expanding and getting new positions we do have a third 00:32:10.700 --> 00:32:17.330 - position that started in August, so it started being able to use some of these dollars, but we're 00:32:17.330 --> 00:32:22.000 - going to run into the same situation with just not being 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:30.930 - able to use all of this money because we're waiting for the actual executed contract to be able to 00:32:30.930 --> 00:32:34.000 - get the position and higher. 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:41.210 - Last night, um, because I had so much time last night to read all this. I was my understanding and 00:32:41.210 --> 00:32:48.190 - kind of reading some of it is that it could potentially like you could potentially be awarded for 00:32:48.190 --> 00:32:50.000 - more next year is that. 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:58.010 - Yeah, we expect, we fully expect to continue receiving this funding. Okay, services. Okay, so it's 00:32:58.010 --> 00:33:05.000 - not like we're, this is a one time kind of thing where you get it and February of next year. 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:20.300 - Thank you, ma'am. It's all done. No, so, historically, from my understanding the health department 00:33:20.300 --> 00:33:20.680 - here has received grant funding for their STD programming for an extremely long time during coven 00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:21.000 - so prior to my time here, then they started receiving 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:26.230 - supplemental funding, which they could then increase some of the personnel, some of that 00:33:26.230 --> 00:33:31.640 - supplemental code funding has been going away which we've been trying to use that down but we've 00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:35.000 - still been receiving that standard STD funding, and just because 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:43.000 - of the work we do for all of the counties, we fully anticipate to continue receiving the funding. 00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:48.000 - Okay, I'm gonna go to counselor Decker and then I'll go back to Iverson. 00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:55.200 - We tell me if I have this wrong I recall this being before us, and I think I got fired up on this 00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:58.000 - one a little bit on that fourth. 00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:04.000 - Now this person, theoretically, will serve outside of Monroe County is that right. 00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:10.870 - Yes, so including Monroe County but also outside and remind me funding sources at federal or state 00:34:10.870 --> 00:34:14.000 - I should know but I'm blanking right now. 00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:20.000 - This is a federal. 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:27.000 - So, in the other question I have is 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:33.550 - anymore in government you almost have to be one part psychic one part do your homework and the rest 00:34:33.550 --> 00:34:38.000 - figured out, or pay for a tutor but how stable. 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:44.280 - Does this look and the reason I ask is if services go out there people are getting things, or you've 00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:50.360 - got somebody doing it. And then that changes because public health no longer the flavor of the 00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:53.000 - month or whoever did this got cut. 00:34:53.000 --> 00:35:00.000 - How, how stable is this looking are they talking about it or are you getting any signals on that. 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:05.760 - I think that it seems very stable I did have a conversation today with an individual from the 00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:11.790 - Indiana Department of Health because he was actually checking on the progress of this and if we 00:35:11.790 --> 00:35:15.000 - were going to be receiving the fourth position kind of where 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:22.320 - we were with expanding, and I shared with him some of the concerns and, you know, he said that he 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:29.630 - fully believes that this is stable funding that will continue for providing a lot of work for a lot 00:35:29.630 --> 00:35:31.000 - of counties. 00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:37.630 - And I think it would be extremely challenging to try to find other sources to cover that work that 00:35:37.630 --> 00:35:40.000 - we have been doing for so long. 00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:49.870 - Councilman Decker syphilis gonorrhea, and other sexually transmitted diseases are not going away, 00:35:49.870 --> 00:35:51.000 - they are on the rise. 00:35:51.000 --> 00:36:01.310 - And that and our, and our government cannot allow for people to infect other humans, no matter who 00:36:01.310 --> 00:36:09.000 - they are. So, this, this funding is stable and it will remain stable because we have to have it. 00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:16.370 - I doctor I've got that I'm down with that. Unfortunately people that serve in jobs, not on this 00:36:16.370 --> 00:36:21.740 - bench. Sometimes they aren't stable, and they probably need to hear that message from you and a lot 00:36:21.740 --> 00:36:25.000 - of other good people, because I've seen some wild 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:31.450 - and crazy things this year, this entire night should be called wild and crazy night, because of 00:36:31.450 --> 00:36:34.000 - that. So I gotcha. 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:42.200 - First of all, Dr. Thank you for making that point, the grant clearly stipulates that these ST eyes 00:36:42.200 --> 00:36:48.880 - need to be looked after and we know that, thanks to the reporting that is Kelly you've been doing 00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:51.000 - with the county commissioners that that we are 00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:57.180 - seeing increased cases and so we're, we're. I, that's why I'm in favor of this, this fourth 00:36:57.180 --> 00:37:01.630 - position because I think we do need it and, and a lot of these cases don't go reported, these are, 00:37:01.630 --> 00:37:03.000 - these are very silent cases, there's a lot of 00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:10.780 - stigma still attached to, to a lot of this. My question to you is, I would hate to go back through 00:37:10.780 --> 00:37:15.000 - what we did earlier this year with a contract. 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:24.620 - Do our partners ID OH the Indian Department of Health under, like, can we get a contract earlier or 00:37:24.620 --> 00:37:31.000 - what's the status of, of kind of that that that whole mess I guess. 00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:38.000 - I would assume some part of that was based on what was going on in the state legislature. 00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:47.560 - That because the state legislature did not really close until mid March. Yeah. So their funding 00:37:47.560 --> 00:37:54.780 - wasn't established. So, all of the other departments, including what had to be updated because of 00:37:54.780 --> 00:37:57.000 - changes in the legislation. 00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:12.730 - Everything got way off track. And so, I believe that is as much an excuse for why this was so 00:38:12.730 --> 00:38:14.000 - severely delayed in coming to us, and why you are so delayed in receiving our contract. 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:19.550 - I think it's been really clear that, assuming that the funding is stable. So Councilman Decker was 00:38:19.550 --> 00:38:25.030 - just talking about assuming we can get this contract early. It sounds like there will be funding 00:38:25.030 --> 00:38:27.000 - for this and I'll conclude to your point. 00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:32.070 - I don't know that there's other funding for a position like this, and we need to be using these 00:38:32.070 --> 00:38:34.000 - grant dollars as well as we can. 00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:41.290 - I think Ms. Kelly was about to speak, so I think Council Iverson had addressed it, so I want to 00:38:41.290 --> 00:38:49.130 - give you an opportunity as well, since you were getting ready to speak. So I just wanted to see if 00:38:49.130 --> 00:38:52.000 - you had anything else to add to that. 00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:59.350 - Yeah, in relation to the delay. I know that the state was having a fiscal closeout period so we did 00:38:59.350 --> 00:39:01.000 - have the discussion. 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:07.420 - Again around in April and so I think just because of that there was a little bit of a delay when we 00:39:07.420 --> 00:39:13.000 - with them getting that processed into us but it was actually this was ready. 00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:20.030 - In August, but because of the council sessions it's gotten pushed back. So, we received it, it was 00:39:20.030 --> 00:39:24.000 - sent out for signature actually around 60 days ago. 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:30.000 - So, but it, they're still waiting for the, the signed contract at this time. 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:33.000 - All right, and then, 00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:38.000 - do you, Council did you have something 00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:44.000 - about budgeting questions here. 00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:52.870 - So, we're approving the 58835 but we know that that's not going to be spent on this position, 00:39:52.870 --> 00:39:55.000 - because this is all in personnel. 00:39:55.000 --> 00:40:03.160 - Right, February, so then we are we getting in that much money, and we aren't going to spend that 00:40:03.160 --> 00:40:11.230 - much money and upset in the fund, or, or what will happen and I understand the reason why we want 00:40:11.230 --> 00:40:14.000 - to put because the way salaries are figured. 00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:19.900 - You put in a dollar amount for the salary and then you figure out how much that is per per hour to 00:40:19.900 --> 00:40:28.030 - figure out how much that paycheck should be. But my question is, what happens with this additional 00:40:28.030 --> 00:40:32.000 - dollars it's in this personal line that is not going to be 00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:40.000 - spent will it remain in the fund, or does that go back to the state, or what happens with that. 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:47.500 - So the best we could do is try to submit a budget revision to see if we could receive approval to 00:40:47.500 --> 00:40:54.000 - use some of the funding and other account lines on other things but it will. 00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:57.000 - It will go unused otherwise. 00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:12.000 - If it would go back to the state, it wouldn't just set there. Right. Hopefully it wouldn't just set 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:12.000 - there doing nothing. If, if we are not allowed to use it, then it would just go back to the state, 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:12.000 - I would think, back to the taxpayer 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:16.000 - to begin with, I or federal government or wherever it is. 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:18.000 - That was just a question. 00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:23.650 - Okay. I mean I would assume it would be like the previous item that it was before that we didn't 00:41:23.650 --> 00:41:24.000 - use. 00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:31.130 - So, there, it looks like there's board member that has their hand raised up, and it went away so I 00:41:31.130 --> 00:41:37.640 - don't know if they had enough or wanted to add quickly to the discussion here before we move on 00:41:37.640 --> 00:41:47.000 - since we're out of time. 00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:49.000 - Okay. 00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:55.000 - Go to counsel will to and then we're going to ask for a roll call vote. 00:41:55.000 --> 00:42:02.500 - Is, is there I haven't read the agreement thoroughly so I'm not sure if it stipulates that this has 00:42:02.500 --> 00:42:09.780 - to be for one person, one individual or if you know that you're not able to use this amount for one 00:42:09.780 --> 00:42:16.000 - position, could you offset the costs of any of your other disease 00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:19.000 - intervention specialist if that's the name of it. 00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:22.000 - Pardon me if I don't have it right. 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:29.050 - Who might be being paid out of other funds with this money between now and the end of February, 00:42:29.050 --> 00:42:35.580 - like is there that an option that sure it would be but I still think we're going to have a lot more 00:42:35.580 --> 00:42:42.250 - money for personnel, again just because of getting that the third one and then the timing that it 00:42:42.250 --> 00:42:47.800 - took to get the third one and then now the fourth one so I think, unless we can get approval from 00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:51.000 - the state to use it in other areas. 00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:57.000 - We just don't have personnel within this period that it will be used for. 00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:02.920 - It has to be used for a specific program so it's just covering anyone holding one of these four 00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:09.440 - positions is that correct. Yes, this, they have to work under this grant and follow all of these 00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:14.000 - terms that cannot be used for other people or anything outside of this program. 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:21.000 - No, we have anyone working on this program that is funded in the levy fund. 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:26.000 - Oh, okay. 00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:33.250 - Good. All right. Good questions. All right. So, um, now we will go to public comment if you have 00:43:33.250 --> 00:43:39.840 - public comment on this item raise your hand via teams you'll have up to three minutes, or you can 00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:44.000 - come forward to the lectern here in the night you will run. 00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:47.000 - All right, and seeing none. 00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:49.000 - May we please have a roll call vote. 00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:56.000 - Yes. 00:43:56.000 --> 00:44:05.000 - Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:12.000 - Next up is item D. Could I just ask you, has this person already been hired, or is it within your 00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:18.000 - staff to move somebody know we've been waiting on approval for this position. 00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:24.220 - And we are actually next up on item D so we're going to move to approve the health department's 00:44:24.220 --> 00:44:32.890 - request and fund at 112 dash 9626 STD strengthening prevention to amend the 2025 salary ordinance, 00:44:32.890 --> 00:44:38.000 - and add account line 10142 disease intervention specialist, 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:46.000 - 35 hours, Pat, a non exempt with an effective date of September 21 2025. 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:51.000 - All right, we got a motion in a second what would you like to add on this item. 00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:55.000 - I think this is just general housekeeping. 00:44:55.000 --> 00:45:01.000 - Okay, and looking over here to my left to see if anybody has any questions on this. 00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:18.000 - Right. Right. My question once again, because it was about this. This person's are you have not 00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:18.000 - already hired this person but you've interviewed or where are we on because you want the salary to 00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:18.000 - go back or to start the 21st. 00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:26.290 - We've been trying on almost all year to for this position, we that we haven't had approval for the 00:45:26.290 --> 00:45:34.700 - position we've been waiting for approval for the position we've been waiting for this contract to 00:45:34.700 --> 00:45:38.000 - then be able to post to try to recruit for the position 00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:45.780 - we had someone that we could have offered the position to back in May, but we did not have the 00:45:45.780 --> 00:45:47.000 - contract. 00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:52.000 - I just thought maybe it was someone that you might be moving within the system. 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:57.790 - Okay, thank you. And just like all the other ones can't do anything until you have the contract and 00:45:57.790 --> 00:46:03.500 - which is what you're doing right now and then hopefully if this passes, you can go forth into the 00:46:03.500 --> 00:46:08.000 - community and the ether and figure out how you can get this person. 00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:13.550 - Right. Okay, getting out of good counselor Iverson, if there's someone watching that's interested 00:46:13.550 --> 00:46:16.000 - in this type of work where can they apply. 00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:22.730 - So they can send an email to the health department to email address they could send it to me but 00:46:22.730 --> 00:46:29.530 - again the position hasn't been posted but it will be posted within, if it's approved, it will be 00:46:29.530 --> 00:46:30.000 - posted. 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:38.000 - Right. They can always go to the county website job postings area. 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:43.000 - All right, any other questions on this item. 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:50.530 - All right. Public comment is your turn now so if you have public comment on this item you can come 00:46:50.530 --> 00:46:57.000 - forward to the lectern here the night you hill room, or raise your hand via teams. 00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:01.000 - And maybe please have a roll call vote. 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:09.030 - Yes, Councilor Fido. Yes, Councilor Decker. Yes, Councilor Iverson. Yes, Councilor Wills. Yes, 00:47:09.030 --> 00:47:15.000 - Councilor cross Lee. Yes, Councilor Hawk. Yes, motion passes six zero. 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:21.970 - All right, next up is item E council I move to approve the health department's request and fund 8153 00:47:21.970 --> 00:47:30.000 - dash 9625 harm reduction for an additional appropriation of $71,391 in the personnel category. 00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:34.000 - Okay, and what would you like to add to this. 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:40.310 - So this is additional funding from the Indiana Department of Health that supports our harm 00:47:40.310 --> 00:47:47.550 - reduction specialists so previously, they did extend the timeline for the grant cycle to May 31 of 00:47:47.550 --> 00:47:49.000 - 2029. 00:47:49.000 --> 00:48:04.000 - And as they receive additional funding then the thought is they will provide that to us. So without 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:04.000 - this we only had enough funding to support this position until around November of this year, so 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:04.000 - this will extend us into next year. 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:05.000 - Okay. 00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:10.000 - All right, Council do you have any questions or comments on this item. 00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:14.000 - Congratulations. 00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:19.000 - Seeing none. 00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:24.120 - If there's public comment you can come forward to the lectern here in the night you hill room or 00:48:24.120 --> 00:48:26.000 - you can raise your hand via teams. 00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:44.000 - Roll call vote. 00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:47.000 - You're talking about the same thing. 00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:49.000 - Councillor, Councillor Hawk. 00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:50.000 - Right. 00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:52.000 - Yes. 00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:53.000 - Yes. 00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:54.000 - Councilor Wilz. 00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:55.000 - Yes. 00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:56.000 - Councilor Iverson. 00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:57.000 - Yes. 00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:58.000 - Councilor Crosley. 00:48:58.000 --> 00:48:59.000 - Yes. 00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:00.000 - Councilor Decker. 00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:01.000 - Yes. 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:02.000 - Councilor Feidl. 00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:03.000 - Yes. 00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:04.000 - Motion passes six zero. 00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:05.000 - All right, item S. 00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:12.080 - Council, I move to approve the health department's request and fund 8180-9625 DIS Intervention 00:49:12.080 --> 00:49:21.440 - STD, the deappropriation of $42,014.20 in the personnel category, $100.81 in the supplies 00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:29.680 - category, and $1,374.90 in the services category for total deappropriation of $43,489.91. 00:49:29.680 --> 00:49:30.680 - Second. 00:49:30.680 --> 00:49:36.440 - Okay, I'd like to add to this. 00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:42.480 - So again, this is just more just trying to do housekeeping, so just funds because we had 00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:47.840 - those multiple grant funds supporting our disease intervention program, some of those 00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:53.440 - just because of the reduced personnel that we've been waiting on, we didn't fully utilize. 00:49:53.440 --> 00:50:01.960 - All right, and counsel, do you have questions on this item? 00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:05.440 - Okay. 00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:07.880 - Now we will move on to public comment. 00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:11.720 - Please come forward to the lectern here, and then at you, Hilberman, raise your hand via 00:50:11.720 --> 00:50:18.360 - the teams if you have public comment on this item. 00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:22.380 - Seeing none, may we please have a roll call vote? 00:50:22.380 --> 00:50:23.380 - Counselor Iverson? 00:50:23.380 --> 00:50:24.380 - Yes. 00:50:24.380 --> 00:50:25.380 - Counselor Decker? 00:50:25.380 --> 00:50:26.380 - Yes. 00:50:26.380 --> 00:50:27.380 - Counselor Feidl? 00:50:27.380 --> 00:50:28.380 - Yes. 00:50:28.380 --> 00:50:29.380 - Counselor Wilts? 00:50:29.380 --> 00:50:30.380 - Yes. 00:50:30.380 --> 00:50:31.380 - Counselor Hawke? 00:50:31.380 --> 00:50:32.380 - Yes. 00:50:32.380 --> 00:50:33.380 - Counselor Crosley? 00:50:33.380 --> 00:50:34.380 - Yes. 00:50:34.380 --> 00:50:35.380 - Motion passes six zero. 00:50:35.380 --> 00:50:36.380 - Okay, next up is item G. 00:50:36.380 --> 00:50:42.400 - I move to approve the health department's request and fund 8180-9625 DIS intervention 00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:49.760 - STD to amend the 2025 salary ordinance and remove account line 10107 disease intervention 00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:58.680 - program coordinator and 17801 part time with an effective date of September 21st, 2025. 00:50:58.680 --> 00:50:59.840 - Second. 00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:01.160 - Go ahead. 00:51:01.160 --> 00:51:05.480 - Just housekeeping again because we've been alternating positions within these two different 00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:07.440 - DIS grants. 00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.960 - Okay, thank you. 00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:14.120 - All right, council, do you have questions on this item? 00:51:14.120 --> 00:51:23.680 - All right, okay, seeing none, if you have public comment on this item, you can come 00:51:23.680 --> 00:51:32.180 - forward to the lectern here in the NatU Hill room, or you can raise your hand via Teams. 00:51:32.180 --> 00:51:36.240 - And seeing none, may we please have a roll call vote? 00:51:36.240 --> 00:51:37.240 - Councilor Deckard? 00:51:37.240 --> 00:51:38.240 - Yes. 00:51:38.240 --> 00:51:39.240 - Councilor Wilts? 00:51:39.240 --> 00:51:40.240 - Yes. 00:51:40.240 --> 00:51:41.240 - Councilor Hawk? 00:51:41.240 --> 00:51:42.240 - Yes. 00:51:42.240 --> 00:51:43.240 - Councilor Crosley? 00:51:43.240 --> 00:51:44.240 - Yes. 00:51:44.240 --> 00:51:45.240 - Councilor Iverson? 00:51:45.240 --> 00:51:46.240 - Yes. 00:51:46.240 --> 00:51:47.240 - Councilor Feidl? 00:51:47.240 --> 00:51:48.240 - Yes. 00:51:48.240 --> 00:51:49.240 - Motion passes six zero. 00:51:49.240 --> 00:51:50.240 - All right, thank you. 00:51:50.240 --> 00:51:51.720 - We will see you in a little while. 00:51:51.720 --> 00:51:52.720 - Thank you. 00:51:52.720 --> 00:51:56.560 - All right, next up is item I from the highway department. 00:51:56.560 --> 00:52:05.280 - Council, I move to approve the highway department's request and fund 1169-0000 local road and 00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:12.680 - street for the creation of count line 3800, repair building and structure and simultaneously 00:52:12.680 --> 00:52:17.920 - approve an additional appropriation of $100,000 in the services category. 00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:18.920 - Second. 00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:23.640 - That line item is 38000. 00:52:23.640 --> 00:52:26.240 - Yes, that is true. 00:52:26.240 --> 00:52:27.240 - Okay. 00:52:27.240 --> 00:52:28.240 - I apologize. 00:52:28.240 --> 00:52:31.240 - I just wanted to stay there for a second. 00:52:31.240 --> 00:52:32.240 - Okay. 00:52:32.240 --> 00:52:33.240 - I wasn't sure. 00:52:33.240 --> 00:52:34.240 - Okay. 00:52:34.240 --> 00:52:35.240 - Next up is Ms. Ridge. 00:52:35.240 --> 00:52:36.240 - Hello. 00:52:36.240 --> 00:52:37.240 - Welcome. 00:52:37.240 --> 00:52:38.240 - Good evening. 00:52:38.240 --> 00:52:42.680 - So our system was put in when the building was built, 1995. 00:52:42.680 --> 00:52:46.900 - So it is the tanks need rewired. 00:52:46.900 --> 00:52:53.800 - So again, we received a estimate for $92,173. 00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:57.720 - And we're requesting the additional to be able to repair the fuel system that's used 00:52:57.720 --> 00:53:01.680 - by all the fleet in the whole county. 00:53:01.680 --> 00:53:04.640 - Thank you. 00:53:04.640 --> 00:53:08.840 - And looking to council here, if you have any questions, it looks like councilor Hawk does. 00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:09.840 - Go ahead. 00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:10.840 - Yes. 00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:17.080 - As a comment, why are we paying for this out of local road and streets since this is something 00:53:17.080 --> 00:53:23.680 - that is a county wide fuel station, just because it's located at the highway garage. 00:53:23.680 --> 00:53:29.960 - We need to be trying to protect those dollars in local road and street because that helps 00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:37.160 - the entire county having to do with what we need those dollars highway to be used for. 00:53:37.160 --> 00:53:43.720 - So was there any discussion with the commissioners to at least pay for a major part of this out 00:53:43.720 --> 00:53:48.160 - of their Kim cap line or building repairs or something? 00:53:48.160 --> 00:53:53.880 - I mean, this is not just for the highway, this is wrong. 00:53:53.880 --> 00:54:02.640 - I mean, I want to make sure it's covered, but I just think it's wrong to cover it under 00:54:02.640 --> 00:54:04.960 - local road and street. 00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:10.440 - But that's because I love the highway and I think we're fighting for every penny. 00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:12.240 - I think we've always paid those costs. 00:54:12.240 --> 00:54:18.040 - But if you recall in the 2026 budget, we did ask for the gasoline line to be moved from 00:54:18.040 --> 00:54:22.680 - the highway because it does, you know, this is right here is $100,000 that takes away 00:54:22.680 --> 00:54:24.560 - from our paving program. 00:54:24.560 --> 00:54:29.080 - But we did move it into your county general for the gas reimbursement. 00:54:29.080 --> 00:54:36.560 - And I think it was 400,000 for that 25,000 for permits and inspections that we've always 00:54:36.560 --> 00:54:37.560 - paid for. 00:54:37.560 --> 00:54:43.400 - So this is above and beyond what we usually incur for this system. 00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:45.240 - And I know everybody's budgets are tight. 00:54:45.240 --> 00:54:47.960 - So did we reach out for anybody else to pay for this? 00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:53.680 - No, it's been our responsibility, but we're hoping that changes possibly in the future. 00:54:53.680 --> 00:55:00.080 - But again, this is it needs fixed and we want to be able to provide the gas for the whole 00:55:00.080 --> 00:55:01.800 - county fleet at this point. 00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:08.880 - Council Iverson and to your point, your 2026 budget request in this line is $200,000. 00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:13.600 - Because I mean, based on my memory said, I mean, we're anticipating not only those lines 00:55:13.600 --> 00:55:17.180 - to be moved and merged, but also those expenses are going to increase. 00:55:17.180 --> 00:55:22.520 - I think what we had moved to the county general fund was the gasoline reimbursement line, 00:55:22.520 --> 00:55:25.920 - which it doesn't have anything to do with really the repairs. 00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:29.520 - It's just what's built out to the other departments for gasoline usage. 00:55:29.520 --> 00:55:35.080 - Looking over here to my left to see if anybody has any questions. 00:55:35.080 --> 00:55:36.080 - Councilor Decker. 00:55:36.080 --> 00:55:39.040 - He said the last one went in in 1995 ish, roughly. 00:55:39.040 --> 00:55:40.040 - Correct. 00:55:40.040 --> 00:55:41.040 - Wow. 00:55:41.040 --> 00:55:44.600 - So this is about a 30 year well hope we hope it lasts 30. 00:55:44.600 --> 00:55:49.600 - We've had some other fixes along the way, but this is just one of those other fixes 00:55:49.600 --> 00:55:51.640 - that included some wiring and everything. 00:55:51.640 --> 00:55:57.840 - So no more signs of says let it unleaded or anything like that. 00:55:57.840 --> 00:55:58.840 - All right. 00:55:58.840 --> 00:55:59.840 - Anybody else over here? 00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:00.840 - Have any questions? 00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:14.560 - Councilor Woods in this line for the 26 budget, do you recall what projects are anticipated 00:56:14.560 --> 00:56:17.280 - in a I'm jumping a little bit in the 2026 budget. 00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:19.560 - Yeah, for this particular line. 00:56:19.560 --> 00:56:25.720 - So what we so we didn't do a repair building and structure in your county general. 00:56:25.720 --> 00:56:29.200 - We did a gas on the gasoline line, which is just reimbursements. 00:56:29.200 --> 00:56:38.120 - But yeah, yeah, you I mean, we thought I just heard that it was budgeted at 200,000 for 00:56:38.120 --> 00:56:39.120 - next year. 00:56:39.120 --> 00:56:45.480 - So that we have put in for that we had to put off this year is for reconstructing the 00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:49.160 - parking lot and the drainage out there. 00:56:49.160 --> 00:56:55.240 - We did also put that project into the geo bond to hopefully that to cover that. 00:56:55.240 --> 00:56:59.200 - And if that happens, then that 200,000 in the local run street will go to buy two minutes 00:56:59.200 --> 00:57:00.200 - for paving. 00:57:00.200 --> 00:57:02.480 - Okay, that's that's exactly what I was asking. 00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:03.480 - Thank you. 00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:11.200 - Okay. Does anybody else have any other questions or comments? All right. Seeing none, if you 00:57:11.200 --> 00:57:14.380 - have public comment on this item, you can come forward to the lectern here in the night 00:57:14.380 --> 00:57:22.440 - and heal room, or you can raise your hand via teams. And seeing none, maybe please have 00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:29.400 - a roll call vote. Councillor Fiddle? Yes. Councillor Wills? Yes. Councillor Hawke? Yes. 00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:34.520 - Councillor Prossley? Yes. Councillor Iverson? Yes. Councillor Deckard? Yes. Motion passes 00:57:34.520 --> 00:57:39.280 - 6-0. Okay. Next up is item J. Council, I move to approve the Highway Department's request 00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:47.920 - and fund 1176-0000 Motor Vehicle Highway for an additional appropriation of $300,000 in 00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:55.400 - the supplies category. Second. And this is just basically to help us finish up our 2025 00:57:55.400 --> 00:58:03.560 - saving season. Okay. All right. Self-explanatory there. Anybody else has any questions or comments 00:58:03.560 --> 00:58:08.880 - from Ms. Ridge on this item? Councillor Hawke? Love that word. It just means somebody's going 00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:14.840 - to get something fixed. You know, I don't, you'd think $300,000 would go a long way, 00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:21.760 - but when it comes to bituminous, it doesn't go as far as we'd like. But after all these 00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:31.880 - years I finally learned how to say bituminous. Three times. All right. Does anybody else 00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:39.440 - have any other questions or comments? All right. Seeing none. If you have public comment on 00:58:39.440 --> 00:58:43.560 - this item, you can come forward to the lectern here in the Na'i Hill room, or you can raise 00:58:43.560 --> 00:58:53.360 - your hand via Teams and seeing none, may we please have a roll call vote? Councilor Wills? 00:58:53.360 --> 00:59:02.680 - Yes. Councilor Hawke? Yes. Councilor Crosley? Yes. Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor Decker? 00:59:02.680 --> 00:59:08.240 - Yes. Councilor Feidl? Motion passes six zero. All right. Thank you. Have a good night. All 00:59:08.240 --> 00:59:13.120 - right. Next up is item K for the board of commissioners. Council, I move to approve 00:59:13.120 --> 00:59:20.480 - the commissioners request and fund 1000-0161 County General County Buildings for an additional 00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:29.480 - appropriation of $12,900 in the supplies category and $319,636 in the services category for 00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:39.600 - a total appropriation of $332,536. Second. All right. We have Ms. Angie Bertie here. Welcome. 00:59:39.600 --> 00:59:46.040 - Thank you. Good evening, everyone. Good evening. This is relatively self-explanatory. These 00:59:46.040 --> 00:59:54.320 - are all kind of lines that go to the management of our buildings within the county. Just to 00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:58.600 - kind of give you an idea of where we're at financially at the moment on our materials 00:59:58.600 --> 01:00:07.400 - and parts line. We're at 4% of our approved budget, so we have $402 left. Cleaning supplies, 01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:17.800 - we're at 8% of our originally appropriated budget. We have $4,166 remaining in that particular 01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:30.600 - line. And utilities, we've done some transferring, but we are down to actually, so we have 0.57 01:00:30.600 --> 01:00:39.040 - percent of our original budget remaining, so we have $3,011.17 in utilities. And our service 01:00:39.040 --> 01:00:50.160 - contracts, we have 10% of our original appropriated budget, and we have a balance of $26,224. 01:00:50.160 --> 01:00:55.240 - Could you repeat the last one, please? The balance? 01:00:55.240 --> 01:01:00.960 - The last one. Sure. That's our service contracts, balance 01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:15.840 - of $26,224.06. Welcome. Put in the agenda request kind of an explanation of what these 01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:24.000 - lines generally cover to help. Okay. All right. And thank you for that. And 01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:28.660 - for the record, we do have Councilor Henry that has joined us. So now all seven council 01:01:28.660 --> 01:01:35.120 - members are here present in the Knight-U-Hill room. Do we have any questions or comments 01:01:35.120 --> 01:01:43.600 - for Ms. Purdy on this particular item? Oh, Councilor Decker. 01:01:43.600 --> 01:01:53.040 - So sorry, take me back. We're looking at this now additionally beyond what is already appropriated 01:01:53.040 --> 01:01:57.900 - for the year. Help me to understand kind of where that is now. Is it because expenses 01:01:57.900 --> 01:02:03.360 - are running or higher? What are you speaking of? Which one? All of 01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:12.200 - them? All of them? Yeah. Yes. I think that the expenses have gone up and that's why we're 01:02:12.200 --> 01:02:18.520 - at this point in time. I do believe that the service contracts, I know that we moved the 01:02:18.520 --> 01:02:27.640 - lawn care into that particular line and removed the grounds, which was a different one. 01:02:27.640 --> 01:02:33.480 - All right. I'm just looking at all this. Councilor Iverson, and then I'll come back 01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:39.600 - to Councilor Woods. In the utilities line, you noted that these 01:02:39.600 --> 01:02:46.940 - are utilities including the internet for one, two, three, four, five, six, seven of our buildings. 01:02:46.940 --> 01:02:51.280 - Can you expand on that a little bit more? Do they not have internet right now and they're 01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:57.000 - getting internet or are they getting better internet coverage or what exactly is the expense 01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:03.920 - here? In specific to the internet costs, that might 01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:12.040 - be ... We do have to pay for some internet costs with some of our other buildings. I'm 01:03:12.040 --> 01:03:17.800 - trying to think of which buildings that is right now. 01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:25.760 - CH, JB, Health, Showers, CCE and EOC. Actually, the internet is also part of our 01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:33.240 - utility expenses. The utilities that you normally see and that are really costing us are your 01:03:33.240 --> 01:03:38.080 - basic electricity, gas, and things of that nature. Then we do have to pay for our internet 01:03:38.080 --> 01:03:41.560 - service and it's now coming out of the utility line. 01:03:41.560 --> 01:03:49.720 - I see. Okay. All right. All right. Then you use the term utilities including internet. 01:03:49.720 --> 01:03:56.200 - This is just ... That's a catch all for what you just described in terms of we need electricity 01:03:56.200 --> 01:04:00.280 - for these buildings, we need gas for these buildings, we need internet for these buildings, 01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:02.280 - et cetera, et cetera. 01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:09.720 - Yeah. I'm not sure that that was my language, but just to indicate that this particular 01:04:09.720 --> 01:04:17.680 - line covers those buildings and all of those types of expenses. 01:04:17.680 --> 01:04:21.040 - The additional is because those expenses increased? 01:04:21.040 --> 01:04:27.760 - I cannot answer that question. I don't know for a fact if they have increased or not. 01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:32.720 - What I do know is that we've added the showers building, which was something that we got 01:04:32.720 --> 01:04:40.320 - at the end of last year. We have not had one full year of budgeting and paying the expenses 01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:46.280 - associated with the showers building. When we submitted our budget, we didn't have the 01:04:46.280 --> 01:04:51.080 - showers building at that point in time. We owned the building, but we weren't responsible 01:04:51.080 --> 01:04:52.080 - for the utilities. 01:04:52.080 --> 01:04:54.080 - That's a lot of utilities. 01:04:54.080 --> 01:04:55.560 - They're expensive. 01:04:55.560 --> 01:04:59.120 - Yes. Okay. All right. Thanks. 01:04:59.120 --> 01:05:09.080 - We'll go to Councillor Wilks next. 01:05:09.080 --> 01:05:19.120 - If we were to say no, which I'm not, but I'm trying to get a sense of how, you know, how 01:05:19.120 --> 01:05:27.840 - these funds are working and how you're working with the funds. But if we were to say no and 01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:36.800 - you've got tiny little bits left in each one of these, what would you do? 01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:45.840 - We wouldn't be able to pay our bill. Yeah. I would probably, yeah, it would not be pleasant 01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:46.840 - for anybody. 01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:54.200 - I can't remember the 2026 budgeting around this, but have you increased these lines for 01:05:54.200 --> 01:06:04.240 - the 2026? Did we? I hope so. Me too. Yeah, I hope so because I don't like coming here. 01:06:04.240 --> 01:06:11.680 - We like it when you come here. I know, you're all great. Okay, thank you. But yeah, I hope 01:06:11.680 --> 01:06:14.140 - I did. Okay, I'll do that. 01:06:14.140 --> 01:06:20.120 - Are there any other questions on this item? Yes, Councilor Henry. 01:06:20.120 --> 01:06:24.120 - Thank you, Madam President and Ms. Purdy. So just drilling into the facilities line again. 01:06:24.120 --> 01:06:33.240 - So how long are our contracts on these utilities? Do we know that? Have we signed? For the Internet 01:06:33.240 --> 01:06:37.560 - expenses, for example, is that contract that's locked in for the next year or two? Can we 01:06:37.560 --> 01:06:43.120 - anticipate the cost on that a little better? What do we know about the utility? 01:06:43.120 --> 01:06:48.640 - I really can't answer that question. I don't know. I'm sure Greg could tell you if he was 01:06:48.640 --> 01:06:56.120 - present, but we don't have contracts on our electricity or on our gas. 01:06:56.120 --> 01:07:00.960 - But there are multiple Internet service providers, right? I think maybe following some of what 01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:04.480 - I've just heard is just concern about cost, obviously, and if we're getting the best value 01:07:04.480 --> 01:07:09.840 - for money on something like an Internet service agreement or provider agreement. And yeah, 01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:13.640 - that's all I would just add that looking ahead, we need to scrutinize the dollars like that 01:07:13.640 --> 01:07:19.120 - in the future, I think. Thank you, Madam President. You're welcome. All right. I'm present. This 01:07:19.120 --> 01:07:27.560 - is Greg Crowe. Oh, thanks, Ray. Oh, hello. Sorry. Yeah, I'm here on the stage. So yes, 01:07:27.560 --> 01:07:31.880 - we are currently at a contract with Smithville for the largest of our holdings. We do have 01:07:31.880 --> 01:07:38.160 - Comcast for some of them. Every time a contract comes up for renewal, we negotiate for that 01:07:38.160 --> 01:07:44.560 - for price. And it also depends on proximity of which building we're talking about, which 01:07:44.560 --> 01:07:49.880 - internet service provider can provide service to that location. So all those are taken into 01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:57.440 - consideration as we go into the agreements. So I guess to say we should know or have a 01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:01.520 - ballpark of what the anticipated cost is on an internet service providing contract next 01:08:01.520 --> 01:08:08.040 - year. So I would not expect additional appropriations if we've got something in place, right? 01:08:08.040 --> 01:08:12.760 - Correct. It depends on maybe for the internet. That's what I'm asking for on the internet. 01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:17.000 - If it's specific to the internet, then that. But it's all the same line. So I could still 01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:22.400 - be back for additional next year. Michelle, you had your hand raised. Yes, you were asking 01:08:22.400 --> 01:08:30.400 - about the 2026 budgets and if she had increased the lines. And yes, she did. So she has increased 01:08:30.400 --> 01:08:39.360 - them across all four of those lines that you're representing for 2026. It's because you met 01:08:39.360 --> 01:08:51.200 - with your liaisons. It is. There you go. All right. I'm trying to find the line I was looking 01:08:51.200 --> 01:08:59.720 - at a while ago. It's like 10 minutes ago. Having to do with the lawn care and so forth. 01:08:59.720 --> 01:09:08.600 - I think I saw something from spoke with Vicki from the shelter and I think you indicated 01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:14.920 - they would should remove that from their budget and you were going to the county was going 01:09:14.920 --> 01:09:20.720 - to have somebody else go in to do some of that lawn care or something of the sort. Do 01:09:20.720 --> 01:09:30.920 - you know what I'm speaking of? I think so. I do know that we have a contract with a lawn 01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:38.000 - care provider for the Youth Services Bureau specifically and that will be budgeted into 01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:45.840 - that was budgeted in the 2026 budget in the special it. It was. I thought we took it out. 01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:52.440 - I don't know you you may have I mean I thought I thought it was removed because you were going 01:09:52.440 --> 01:09:59.280 - to go and you know what that was probably a month or so ago. So generally how we or 01:09:59.280 --> 01:10:06.240 - how I have been advised by councils in the past is that if an entity has its own funding 01:10:06.240 --> 01:10:16.000 - source its own levy its own rates something then you have wanted that prior councils have 01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:22.640 - wanted their expenses to be associated with with that fund. So that's why we put that 01:10:22.640 --> 01:10:27.200 - in there. Right and and I expect it to be and that's the reason why I was questioning 01:10:27.200 --> 01:10:35.040 - this I wondered if this was in any way including the dollars that should be paid for out of 01:10:35.040 --> 01:10:41.600 - the services for the juvenile for for the Binkley house. Let us remind ourselves it 01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:46.240 - is the Binkley house we're speaking at and I'm going to go to Michelle because she had 01:10:46.240 --> 01:10:51.920 - her hand raised. Okay so within the lit special purpose there's different departments that's 01:10:51.920 --> 01:11:00.040 - utilizing that the commissioners have have their own department and it's within the contractual 01:11:00.040 --> 01:11:06.840 - amount that they budgeted for. So no it's not within the YSB department budget it's 01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:15.200 - within the commissioners portion of the budget within lit special purpose. Which in all special 01:11:15.200 --> 01:11:24.720 - purpose all of it every penny of it is tied to services for youth not for maintaining 01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:29.480 - other departments and let's be clear about that and I've asked our county attorney to 01:11:29.480 --> 01:11:34.800 - make sure that she's reviewed that and to make sure that we're holding clear to what 01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:41.920 - that funding is for and why that is in place because I don't want anybody to think this 01:11:41.920 --> 01:11:47.760 - and I'm not thinking the commissioners do because I don't think you do but this is not 01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:52.400 - a slush fund for you know oh there's some money there let's move everything over there 01:11:52.400 --> 01:11:56.920 - you cannot do that and I'll be the first one to go to the state and complain if we try 01:11:56.920 --> 01:12:03.200 - to you because that money is for the youth of Monroe County I feel very strong about 01:12:03.200 --> 01:12:09.360 - that okay all right do we note it and we got a thumbs up from Ms. Turner King then she 01:12:09.360 --> 01:12:14.720 - is in agreement with that and she looked into it so without any further ado since we're 01:12:14.720 --> 01:12:18.720 - out of time on this item if you have public comment on this item please come forward to 01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:25.880 - the lectern here in the NatU Hill room or you can raise your hand via Teams and seeing 01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:35.980 - none may we please have a roll call vote counselor Henry yes counselor Hawk yes counselor Crosley 01:12:35.980 --> 01:12:43.220 - yes counselor Iverson yes counselor Deckard yes counselor Fiddle yes counselor Wilts yes 01:12:43.220 --> 01:12:48.800 - motion passes seven zero all right next up is item L council I move to approve the commissioners 01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:56.120 - request and fund 1138-0000 cumulative capital development for an additional appropriation 01:12:56.120 --> 01:13:06.200 - of $305,000 in the services category and $142,078 in the capital category for a total appropriation 01:13:06.200 --> 01:13:16.040 - of $447,078 second all right what would you like to add to this I would like to request 01:13:16.040 --> 01:13:22.240 - a reduction in both of those lines for software I would request an additional appropriation 01:13:22.240 --> 01:13:47.360 - of $143,318 and in this sheriff's vehicles $112,884 for a total of $256,202 council 01:13:47.360 --> 01:14:02.920 - amend my agenda to those numbers okay do we need to say that numbers for the record Mr. 01:14:02.920 --> 01:14:15.600 - Iverson meant motion or he meant his motion and not the agenda oh shoot thank you okay 01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:23.280 - we had a second on that item second okay we got a motion in a second any further discussion 01:14:23.280 --> 01:14:32.880 - on this anything y'all want to add I let Richard speak if he wants to sure about the sheriff's 01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:41.640 - vehicles good evening council so the sheriff's vehicles unfortunately my 2024 order didn't 01:14:41.640 --> 01:14:51.440 - come in until January of 2025 so to pay for those seven vehicles the 2024 dollars reverted 01:14:51.440 --> 01:15:02.400 - back and then it came out of my 2025 budget so now that my 2025 vehicles are are near 01:15:02.400 --> 01:15:12.240 - ready I'm short some money and need an additional appropriation we did find some money in some 01:15:12.240 --> 01:15:18.640 - old bonds yeah we were able to make up the difference of a lot of that by using money 01:15:18.640 --> 01:15:26.440 - and older bonds yep and I had that conversation with this party today so I'm gonna go down 01:15:26.440 --> 01:15:34.500 - the line here I'm gonna go to counselor votes and then Decker I just wondered about the 01:15:34.500 --> 01:15:45.240 - reduction for the software if you could tell us why we overpaid actually somehow we paid 01:15:45.240 --> 01:15:57.680 - an invoice twice and so one of them is coming back so solve that problem all right my question 01:15:57.680 --> 01:16:03.160 - is is the same thing that is the what was delaying sheriff's vehicles is that still 01:16:03.160 --> 01:16:09.920 - out there in the world kind of slowing things down I don't think so we're supposed to have 01:16:09.920 --> 01:16:15.320 - delivery of these vehicles by December 1st this year I don't anticipate this being an 01:16:15.320 --> 01:16:25.120 - issue and they have up 24 and 25 sure we have all the 24s we'll have all the 25s this year 01:16:25.120 --> 01:16:30.560 - and this is the when we look at kind of the purchase price that's them coming with the 01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:37.440 - equipment they need for the deputies is that right right okay one thing I just not to belabor 01:16:37.440 --> 01:16:42.480 - it because we got a long night but again I've talked a few times about costs that counties 01:16:42.480 --> 01:16:47.760 - have now that our predecessors did not have similarly when you look at both software and 01:16:47.760 --> 01:16:52.100 - things that go in sheriff's vehicles and you want both of those things but those are things 01:16:52.100 --> 01:16:57.140 - that would not have been the same way years ago even this room I mean 10 years ago this 01:16:57.140 --> 01:17:02.680 - room wasn't like this software wise for better or for worse and so counties in local governments 01:17:02.680 --> 01:17:08.120 - continue to have things added on they did not have before cyber threats you name it 01:17:08.120 --> 01:17:12.600 - and it's always something to kind of bear in mind is dollars don't always keep up with 01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:19.000 - those things so thank you I'm gonna just go ahead down the line I'll go to Iverson and 01:17:19.000 --> 01:17:24.560 - then Henry and it reminds me I want to piggyback off of what Councilman Decker was saying our 01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:29.880 - conversation around your 2026 budget where your contractual line or I'm sorry the software 01:17:29.880 --> 01:17:36.200 - line was one of the few that went up and it's just because of those licensing and the fees 01:17:36.200 --> 01:17:40.840 - that are they're coming out at us and there's and so would you really appreciate you keeping 01:17:40.840 --> 01:17:51.080 - on top of that and keeping all of us able to do our jobs that's great well thank you 01:17:51.080 --> 01:17:57.840 - um yeah thanks for all that comment um I think my comments more about um this as we move 01:17:57.840 --> 01:18:04.160 - forward with the budget on the go bonds and how we're using that resource I want to be 01:18:04.160 --> 01:18:10.400 - cautious about how we say we found money somewhere moving forward I think I think part of the 01:18:10.400 --> 01:18:13.520 - frustration we're having about moving things into capital that we really need to cover 01:18:13.520 --> 01:18:21.400 - in this year's um budget um I appreciate that funds were found but I think we need um something 01:18:21.400 --> 01:18:25.360 - a gadget I mean I don't know what we're going to do to make sure that we're not surprised 01:18:25.360 --> 01:18:29.640 - by things like this in the future I mean there shouldn't be um found money within 11 years 01:18:29.640 --> 01:18:33.720 - of general obligation bonds to pay for things we either have money that we've identified 01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:38.280 - or obligated or not obligated and so it's just the housekeeping I think we're going 01:18:38.280 --> 01:18:43.880 - to need to do as we enter lean times in the county that um we are account for this right 01:18:43.880 --> 01:18:48.640 - but I'm glad we have it now but I think just as a forewarning for later this evening what's 01:18:48.640 --> 01:18:54.400 - to come um I found money comment I think we just got to be cautious about moving forward 01:18:54.400 --> 01:18:59.600 - but that's it thank you madam president thank you and as a reminder we are needing a vote 01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:07.800 - on the amendment um council hawk did you have something to add yes um make this break uh 01:19:07.800 --> 01:19:14.080 - when I hear you say it covers all of the expense of that vehicle but I would think there would 01:19:14.080 --> 01:19:21.920 - still be an expense for whatever we do to uh with the paint everybody knows it's a law 01:19:21.920 --> 01:19:28.840 - enforcement vehicle also the the lights that go across there's a lot of additional add 01:19:28.840 --> 01:19:36.160 - ons to that and so remind us where that's covered in what budget so all of that is covered 01:19:36.160 --> 01:19:42.020 - in the ccd budget the cumulative capital development budget which provides for not only the 01:19:42.020 --> 01:19:42.720 - purchase 01:19:42.720 --> 01:19:48.640 - of the vehicle but the outfit of said vehicle and that's going to include your lights and 01:19:48.640 --> 01:19:57.580 - your decals and um everything everything except for cameras doesn't cover the cameras doesn't 01:19:57.580 --> 01:20:05.600 - cover cameras uh communication equipment it doesn't cover the um computers correct it 01:20:05.600 --> 01:20:12.960 - does not cover the computers the mounting systems with computers and the cars sorry 01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:26.440 - this is greg all right so again as a reminder because we made the council iverson made them 01:20:26.440 --> 01:20:32.280 - motion to amend the numbers that's what we are needing a vote on right now so um can 01:20:32.280 --> 01:20:38.320 - we please have a roll call vote on that councillor iverson yes councillor wilts yes councillor 01:20:38.320 --> 01:20:46.660 - hawke yes councillor cross crossley big part yes i'm so sorry councillor henry yes councillor 01:20:46.660 --> 01:20:53.720 - dickard yes councillor fido yes motion passes seven zero okay now technically we're bringing 01:20:53.720 --> 01:21:00.880 - it back to the overall um and it seems like we all depleted questions on that looking 01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:06.440 - again see if anybody has any other questions yes councillor vital so one other expense 01:21:06.440 --> 01:21:10.760 - i didn't hear talked about with vehicles was insurance so is that somewhere else in the 01:21:10.760 --> 01:21:22.880 - budget i don't know where that is county general okay thank you okay um all right so if you 01:21:22.880 --> 01:21:27.760 - have question or if you have a public comment rather on this item you can come forward to 01:21:27.760 --> 01:21:34.960 - the lectern here in the night you hill room or raise your hand via teams and seeing none 01:21:34.960 --> 01:21:42.640 - may we please have a roll call vote councillor hawke councillor crossley yes councillor iverson 01:21:42.640 --> 01:21:48.520 - yes councillor dekert yes councillor vital yes councillor wilts yes councillor henry 01:21:48.520 --> 01:21:54.800 - yes motion passes seven zero all right and that's it thank you thank you thank you voice 01:21:54.800 --> 01:22:00.320 - of that you know um all right next up is item m from the legal department council i move 01:22:00.320 --> 01:22:05.480 - to approve the legal department's request and fund 1000 dash zero two seven seven county 01:22:05.480 --> 01:22:11.560 - general legal for an additional appropriation of eighty five thousand dollars in the services 01:22:11.560 --> 01:22:20.460 - category second all right and we have mr schilling here welcome thank you just to be here um 01:22:20.460 --> 01:22:28.400 - today we're seeking uh eighty thousand dollars in additional appropriation fifty for litigation 01:22:28.400 --> 01:22:37.480 - deduction and 30 for settlement um with respect to the settlement amounts uh 25,000 of that 01:22:37.480 --> 01:22:47.120 - is to pay a settlement agreement that we entered into in 2020 the county issued checks on that 01:22:47.120 --> 01:22:53.360 - settlement agreement the checks were not cashed a couple years later we get a request for 01:22:53.360 --> 01:23:02.560 - a reissue uh we reissued the checks and said uh you know we propose that we uh exchange 01:23:02.560 --> 01:23:07.760 - these checks when the releases are signed the releases haven't been signed the checks 01:23:07.760 --> 01:23:14.400 - sat there and lapsed again and in the meantime the the funds were removed from our budget 01:23:14.400 --> 01:23:19.880 - so we're here tonight to get 25,000 dollars to reissue those checks hopefully for the 01:23:19.880 --> 01:23:26.840 - final time uh the other amounts that we're seeking for uh settlement we have probably 01:23:26.840 --> 01:23:35.760 - about 15,000 dollars in claims from for damages caused by uh snow plows and mowers and things 01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:42.920 - like that uh we are working with highway to come up with sort of a program on how to analyze 01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:50.120 - those claims to see which ones that were required to pay and uh we don't i don't think that 01:23:50.120 --> 01:23:55.080 - all certainly all 15,000 will not be paid by the county but we did want to have some 01:23:55.080 --> 01:24:04.280 - money there just in case uh with respect to to the litigation deduction uh we have now 01:24:04.280 --> 01:24:15.320 - about uh 23,000 dollars of claims that we haven't paid yet and um 20 of that is for 01:24:15.320 --> 01:24:21.240 - the last two months from uh from the insurance company so the bills from the insurance company 01:24:21.240 --> 01:24:29.720 - for the last two months have been about 10,000 dollars a month and uh we have uh about eight 01:24:29.720 --> 01:24:38.440 - cases outstanding with a deductible of 25,000 dollars per case uh so that's 200,000 dollars 01:24:38.440 --> 01:24:44.680 - we've paid 50,000 towards those deductibles at this point so the maximum liability that 01:24:44.680 --> 01:24:50.840 - we could be billed this year would be about 150,000 dollars don't think we'll even come 01:24:50.840 --> 01:24:55.480 - close to that but we do want to have some money so we can stay on top of those bills 01:24:57.560 --> 01:25:04.360 - one bit of good news uh since i filed this we had an appeal in the seventh circuit 01:25:04.360 --> 01:25:11.320 - uh in the huff case uh and the oral argument was scheduled for the 18th 01:25:11.320 --> 01:25:16.760 - and the estimate on that from our attorneys was about 20,000 dollars 01:25:16.760 --> 01:25:24.120 - and uh we found out last week uh that the house voluntarily dismissed that appeal 01:25:24.120 --> 01:25:30.120 - so that's going to save us some money and get rid of one of our lawsuits that has been out 01:25:30.120 --> 01:25:38.440 - there for a while and that's that's about it um i was just going to ask as a point of clarification 01:25:38.440 --> 01:25:47.080 - i think like um what has been advertised is the settlement you mentioned 30,000 but in our 01:25:47.880 --> 01:25:55.880 - documentation and in our packets it says 35 was is it supposed to be 35 yeah on the request it does 01:25:55.880 --> 01:26:04.840 - say 35 right so do you my mistake okay i just wanted to make sure like saving a little money 01:26:04.840 --> 01:26:11.080 - or what okay all right so it's we do have about five thousand dollars existing in that line right 01:26:11.080 --> 01:26:25.960 - now so um probably be fine okay all right council i move to reduce line three one two one four 01:26:25.960 --> 01:26:26.440 - claims 01:26:26.440 --> 01:26:33.400 - settlement to thirty thousand dollars all right we're going to motion in a second to reduce that 01:26:33.400 --> 01:26:43.000 - line item from thirty five to thirty thousand uh any discussion on this item no but yes council 01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:48.600 - henry just just a question for my own edification so on in the matter of the the settlement checks 01:26:48.600 --> 01:26:55.240 - that are never cashed and reissued is there any statute of limitations on that or i presume if 01:26:55.240 --> 01:27:01.560 - someone were deceased the estate could continue to pursue the settlement at what point does the 01:27:01.560 --> 01:27:08.760 - check not get cashed and we i mean how does that work well the checks are valid for two years 01:27:08.760 --> 01:27:14.680 - from the last month of the year that they're issued so that's that's why we have to issue new 01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:23.080 - checks we actually just had a mediation in that case today and the opposing council is requesting 01:27:23.080 --> 01:27:30.760 - the payment so he said fine we will get on that thank you we've always we've agreed to do it five 01:27:30.760 --> 01:27:37.720 - years ago and we stand ready to do it today so all right any other further question on this councilor 01:27:37.720 --> 01:27:44.280 - hawk i'm just glad the price didn't go up you know everything costs more every year that goes by so 01:27:44.280 --> 01:27:52.120 - you saved us some money i guess yeah all right councilor decker i know just a quick one on our 01:27:52.120 --> 01:27:59.240 - forest service efforts is that any of this or any discussion there now we uh we've paid our bills 01:27:59.240 --> 01:27:59.400 - on 01:27:59.400 --> 01:28:04.840 - the forest service case up to date and we made a payment this month on that it was a few hundred 01:28:04.840 --> 01:28:12.520 - dollars we're kind of in limbo on that waiting for the court to rule uh so when the court rules the 01:28:12.520 --> 01:28:18.360 - county will need to decide depending on what the ruling how it wishes to proceed but there's no 01:28:18.360 --> 01:28:27.640 - timeline for that all right thank you it seems that we've been waiting quite some time on that 01:28:27.640 --> 01:28:33.080 - one um was it since the spring am i right i don't remember 01:28:33.080 --> 01:28:42.840 - march date is in my mind but i'm not i'm not quite sure and i recently heard 01:28:42.840 --> 01:28:51.400 - that the forest service is moving forward with the things that we were trying to keep them from 01:28:51.400 --> 01:28:51.800 - doing 01:28:52.440 --> 01:28:58.840 - with the suit is that your understanding uh i i believe they're moving forward with some of the 01:28:58.840 --> 01:29:07.640 - things and um i think that's a question that uh um we've been struggling with is to whether to 01:29:07.640 --> 01:29:14.520 - file a preliminary injunction to stop that uh but the hope is that the court will come up with a 01:29:14.520 --> 01:29:22.280 - decision soon and then save us that money because it it's pretty expensive we had did we file an 01:29:22.280 --> 01:29:30.680 - injunction prior yes other yes and we and we prevailed on that yeah and uh the uh forest 01:29:30.680 --> 01:29:37.880 - services response to that we think was inadequate and that's that's what this next stage of the 01:29:37.880 --> 01:29:43.800 - lawsuit is about we're waiting on a decision on that wow okay well thank you for your work 01:29:44.760 --> 01:29:55.880 - okay um and so again we are on the reduction and since there is a an amendment or yes um to reduce 01:29:55.880 --> 01:30:05.960 - that line item so um we can do a voice vote for this got it all right since we are all here in 01:30:05.960 --> 01:30:13.960 - person all those in favor of reducing um this line item to 30,000 signify by saying aye aye all 01:30:13.960 --> 01:30:19.320 - those opposed same sign all right motion carries now coming back to the larger discussion of the 01:30:19.320 --> 01:30:26.520 - actual topic again counselor hawk you have your hand raised yes as you might all remember um 01:30:27.320 --> 01:30:36.040 - i was not the only council member but not everyone agreed on the disagreement with the forest 01:30:36.040 --> 01:30:36.840 - service 01:30:36.840 --> 01:30:41.880 - and so can you break that down under the litigation how much that would be so that 01:30:41.880 --> 01:30:47.400 - i could support you and everything else other than that or should i just say no on this question 01:30:47.400 --> 01:30:54.040 - yeah at this time all all our bills on that lawsuit have been settled 01:30:55.880 --> 01:31:04.440 - and i don't know what the future billing will be if any um okay so i can safely vote for this 01:31:04.440 --> 01:31:10.280 - without thinking i'm arguing with the united states government okay correct great thanks 01:31:10.280 --> 01:31:20.040 - okay um anybody else have anything relevant to this okay all right um if you have public comment 01:31:20.040 --> 01:31:24.280 - on this item please come forward to the lectern here in the night you hill room or you can raise 01:31:24.280 --> 01:31:30.600 - your hand via teams and seeing none may we please have a roll call vote 01:31:30.600 --> 01:31:44.840 - counselor crossley yes counselor iverson yes counselor dekert yes counselor vital yes counselor 01:31:44.840 --> 01:31:51.320 - wilts yes counselor henry yes counselor hawk yes motion passes seven zero all right thank you very 01:31:51.320 --> 01:31:55.640 - much thank you next up is item in which is from the courts 01:31:55.640 --> 01:32:09.640 - council i move to approve the court's request and fund 22 zeros nope scratch that let me start over 01:32:09.640 --> 01:32:14.680 - again i'm sorry council i move to approve the court's request and fund one two one three dash 01:32:14.680 --> 01:32:21.480 - zero zero zero zero gal slash casa for an additional appropriation of fifteen hundred dollars in 01:32:21.480 --> 01:32:21.640 - the 01:32:21.640 --> 01:32:29.240 - services category all right and we have miss lisa abraham welcome thank you as luck would have it 01:32:29.240 --> 01:32:33.720 - our casa program received another so third time i've been here for grants for casa for fifteen 01:32:33.720 --> 01:32:37.720 - hundred dollars they have advised me there might be a fourth one coming so i'm waiting on that 01:32:37.720 --> 01:32:42.760 - so i'm here tonight just asking for the appropriation of 1500 so that i can get that 01:32:42.760 --> 01:32:50.920 - pass on to casa okay yay all right looking to the council here to see if anybody has any questions 01:32:50.920 --> 01:33:02.520 - on this item congratulations okay seeing none um if you have public comment on this item we'll take 01:33:02.520 --> 01:33:07.080 - it please come forward to the lectern here in the natu hill room or you can raise your hand via 01:33:07.080 --> 01:33:07.560 - teams 01:33:09.640 --> 01:33:17.640 - and seeing none may we please have a roll call vote councillor fiddle yes councillor dekert 01:33:17.640 --> 01:33:24.680 - yes councillor henry yes councillor crossley yes councillor hawke yes councillor iverson yes 01:33:24.680 --> 01:33:32.600 - councillor wilts yes motion passes seven zero okay next up is item o council i move to approve 01:33:32.600 --> 01:33:39.880 - the court's request and fund 2200 dash 0000 alternative dispute resolution for an additional 01:33:39.880 --> 01:33:46.040 - appropriation of five thousand dollars in the services category thank you all right we got a 01:33:46.040 --> 01:33:49.960 - motion in a second and i feel like this was discussed last week yes this is what i warned 01:33:49.960 --> 01:33:55.760 - you about last week so like i said we're basically down to nothing in this line so we're just 01:33:55.760 --> 01:33:56.120 - asking 01:33:56.120 --> 01:34:03.000 - to move the appropriate five thousand dollars because i do have 118 000 plus in that fund okay 01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:08.920 - all right and does anybody have any additional questions on this item 01:34:08.920 --> 01:34:18.120 - thing none we will take public comment on this item if you have public comment 01:34:18.120 --> 01:34:22.280 - please come forward to the lectern here in the nightly hill room or raise your hand via teams 01:34:25.400 --> 01:34:32.040 - and seeing none may we please have a roll call vote councillor dekert yes councillor feitel 01:34:32.040 --> 01:34:38.840 - yes councillor hawke yes councillor henry yes councillor wilts yes councillor iverson yes 01:34:38.840 --> 01:34:43.640 - councillor crossley yes motion passes seven zero okay all right thank you very much have a good 01:34:43.640 --> 01:34:52.120 - night and next up is item p for parks that's cute council i move to approve the parks department 01:34:52.120 --> 01:34:58.840 - request and fund four one one three dash zero zero zero zero donations parks for an additional 01:34:58.840 --> 01:35:03.880 - appropriation of fifteen thousand and six dollars in the supplies category eighty two thousand 01:35:03.880 --> 01:35:09.000 - four hundred four dollars in the services category and three thousand three dollars in the capital 01:35:09.000 --> 01:35:14.360 - category second all right we have miss kelly whitmer here welcome oh thank you this should 01:35:14.360 --> 01:35:22.920 - be very simple i'd like to amend my request zero out all of the lines except three zero zero zero 01:35:22.920 --> 01:35:29.800 - six contractual for eighty two thousand four hundred that is the exact cash balance in the fund 01:35:29.800 --> 01:35:40.710 - okay so you said zero everything except contractual right okay all right councillor iverson council 01:35:40.710 --> 01:35:40.840 - i 01:35:40.840 --> 01:35:48.040 - moved to zero out every line in this request except for line three zero zero zero six contractual 01:35:48.040 --> 01:35:53.560 - which should be set at eighty two thousand four hundred dollars for a total appropriation of 01:35:53.560 --> 01:36:00.120 - eighty two thousand four hundred dollars second all right we got a motion and a second any 01:36:00.120 --> 01:36:01.080 - discussion 01:36:01.080 --> 01:36:14.680 - on this okay and seeing none all those in favor of um councillor iverson's motion signify by saying 01:36:14.680 --> 01:36:21.080 - aye aye all those opposed same sign all right motion carries now for the larger discussion 01:36:21.800 --> 01:36:31.080 - wait are you to vote on it no that was for the yeah that was not that easy not that easy all 01:36:31.080 --> 01:36:38.680 - right all right anything that you have to add that's exact cash balance in there okay all right 01:36:38.680 --> 01:36:45.800 - council do you have any questions for miss whitmer yes councillor iverson i am really excited about 01:36:45.800 --> 01:36:49.960 - this land i'm really excited what it's about to be do you have any updates for us or the public 01:36:51.560 --> 01:36:58.520 - currently we are on hold um we have an interior park road that we've been taking care of we have 01:36:58.520 --> 01:37:05.160 - to wait a few more months in order to start more the design in engineering on it so there's nothing 01:37:05.160 --> 01:37:13.240 - i can share at this moment great thanks thought i'd ask anybody else all right so you have public 01:37:13.240 --> 01:37:17.480 - comment on this item you can come forward to the lectern here in the nightingale room or you can 01:37:17.480 --> 01:37:25.560 - raise your hand via teams and seeing none may we please have a roll call vote 01:37:25.560 --> 01:37:29.400 - councillor fiddle yes councillor wilts 01:37:29.400 --> 01:37:39.720 - yes councillor henry yes councillor hawke yes councillor crossley yes councillor iverson 01:37:39.720 --> 01:37:45.400 - yes councillor dekert yes motion passes seven zero thank you yes indeed 01:37:46.520 --> 01:37:52.760 - thanks have a good night next up is item q wastewater reduction council i move to approve 01:37:52.760 --> 01:37:58.920 - the waste reduction district's request and fund 82 10 special solid waste management operating 01:37:58.920 --> 01:38:04.200 - for an additional appropriation of fifty five thousand two hundred seventy six dollars in the 01:38:04.200 --> 01:38:14.360 - capital category all right hello welcome good evening uh yeah unfortunately as you can see 01:38:14.360 --> 01:38:18.680 - in the agenda request uh we have one of our vehicles involved in a motor vehicle accident 01:38:18.680 --> 01:38:23.880 - declared a total loss by the insurance company uh this was one of the box trucks we use for 01:38:23.880 --> 01:38:28.760 - our green business network recycling collection routes so it is something that we need to get 01:38:28.760 --> 01:38:34.840 - replaced um you can see in the packet included the quote received from curry auto for that 01:38:34.840 --> 01:38:39.080 - replacement vehicle which does match the amount of additional appropriation request 01:38:40.440 --> 01:38:45.720 - we have received the insurance settlement funds of fifty three thousand nine hundred twenty four 01:38:45.720 --> 01:38:51.800 - dollars and twenty five cents and as indicated in the agenda request the remaining would come 01:38:51.800 --> 01:38:57.080 - out of our unappropriated funds or cash reserves for the insurance deductible and the difference 01:38:57.080 --> 01:39:04.680 - in the purchase price i would just note for the record too that uh there were no no injuries 01:39:04.680 --> 01:39:09.800 - in the accident and it appears to have been just that neither driver was cited for any moving 01:39:09.800 --> 01:39:15.800 - violations it just was something that happened good thank you and glad to hear that everybody 01:39:15.800 --> 01:39:21.320 - is okay all right look into council to see if anybody has any questions or comments from mr 01:39:21.320 --> 01:39:29.720 - mclasper all right seeing none um okay so if we have public comment on this item you can come 01:39:29.720 --> 01:39:33.720 - forward to the lectern here in the night you hill room or you can raise your hand via teams 01:39:37.160 --> 01:39:43.320 - and seeing none may we please have a roll call vote councilor wilts yes councilor henry 01:39:43.320 --> 01:39:50.360 - yes councilor hawk yes councilor crossley yes councilor iverson yes councilor deckard yes 01:39:50.360 --> 01:39:57.000 - councilor fiddle yes motion passes seven zero thank you have a good night all right 01:39:57.000 --> 01:40:05.880 - next all right next up is item r from the aviation department council i move to approve the 01:40:05.880 --> 01:40:06.600 - aviation 01:40:06.600 --> 01:40:16.040 - department's request in fund 4801-0000 aviation construction for an additional appropriation of 01:40:16.040 --> 01:40:21.400 - thirty nine thousand five hundred dollars in the services category second all right and it looks 01:40:21.400 --> 01:40:29.720 - like we have miss amy gurst online and if you are able to unmute you can go ahead and present 01:40:29.720 --> 01:40:40.360 - it 01:40:40.360 --> 01:40:54.680 - great miss gurst are you able to unmute tst is she able to unmute 01:40:57.560 --> 01:41:14.280 - yes oh okay all right all right there i am okay yes we can hear you now go ahead 01:41:14.280 --> 01:41:21.960 - sorry about that i got a new computer and it's a totally different process um go ahead 01:41:21.960 --> 01:41:27.800 - so carlos sent his apologies he had another thing he had to go to and so he asked me to take care 01:41:27.800 --> 01:41:27.880 - of 01:41:27.880 --> 01:41:35.080 - this um we have two items that we've already signed contracts and ratified in the board meeting 01:41:35.080 --> 01:41:42.760 - during the arpa project out here for stormwater and it was found that there were some depressions 01:41:42.760 --> 01:41:48.840 - that came up and so carlos jumped on it and hired a couple companies to come out and 01:41:49.960 --> 01:41:59.480 - evaluate those depressions the conditions and then another company to review that so um we're 01:41:59.480 --> 01:42:00.280 - asking 01:42:00.280 --> 01:42:05.560 - for an additional appropriation for thirty nine thousand five hundred dollars in contractual 01:42:05.560 --> 01:42:06.920 - so we can pay for those 01:42:06.920 --> 01:42:16.840 - okay all right and looking at council to see if anybody has any questions on this item 01:42:18.200 --> 01:42:25.160 - looking over to my right first seeing none looking over to my left all right uh if anybody 01:42:25.160 --> 01:42:30.760 - has public comment on this item you can uh raise your hand via teams or come into the 01:42:30.760 --> 01:42:34.360 - podium here in the night u hill room and speak 01:42:34.360 --> 01:42:45.720 - and seeing none maybe please have a roll call vote councilor henry yes councilor hawke yes 01:42:45.720 --> 01:42:53.240 - councilor crossley yes councilor fido councilor wilts yes councilor dekker yes councilor iverson 01:42:53.240 --> 01:42:59.800 - yes motion passes seven zero all right thank you very much have a good night thank you you too 01:42:59.800 --> 01:43:07.160 - thanks next up is item s from employee services council i move to approve the employee services 01:43:07.160 --> 01:43:12.680 - department's request and fund one thousand dash zero three zero nine county general employee 01:43:12.680 --> 01:43:18.600 - services an additional appropriation of three million dollars in the personnel category 01:43:18.600 --> 01:43:26.680 - all right hello all right um i just want to give you a little bit i sent you some information 01:43:26.680 --> 01:43:32.440 - i'll give you a little quick rundown and then we can get into whatever questions that you have 01:43:32.440 --> 01:43:38.520 - but to start i just wanted to say that over the past several years we've made a strategic effort 01:43:38.520 --> 01:43:45.640 - to help keep the health insurance contributions low especially as we've seen a lot of challenging 01:43:45.640 --> 01:43:52.840 - times in the last few years and we've the the county as a whole has seen an increase in the 01:43:52.840 --> 01:43:57.480 - number of positions which has increased the number of employees eligible to enroll in the plan 01:43:57.480 --> 01:44:02.680 - there's been a higher plan participation which means that more employees and dependents are 01:44:02.680 --> 01:44:09.640 - enrolling in the plan which is increases our overall exposure and then over the last 12 months 01:44:09.640 --> 01:44:16.120 - we've seen an increase in both volume and severity of our health insurance claims and so that's to 01:44:16.120 --> 01:44:21.800 - manage those the pressures of of all of that that's why we're recommending or asking for 01:44:21.800 --> 01:44:27.320 - an additional three million dollar appropriation now and we think that that combined with the 01:44:27.320 --> 01:44:32.600 - current cash balance in the fund will cover the projected expenses for the rest of this year and 01:44:32.600 --> 01:44:39.800 - give us a starting balance of our target goal of one and a half million for the start of 2026 01:44:39.800 --> 01:44:48.440 - and we're requesting that that be appropriated in the employee services county general line 01:44:48.440 --> 01:44:55.640 - in the self-insurance line to reduce the administrative burden that that would make 01:44:55.640 --> 01:45:02.680 - on council and the auditor's office if we appropriated those in all of the department budgets 01:45:02.680 --> 01:45:11.330 - and that that would require a lot of administrative work to do that so a little bit different than 01:45:11.330 --> 01:45:11.480 - how 01:45:11.480 --> 01:45:15.960 - we did it this year but would be the same for how we're doing it next year and moving forward 01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:24.040 - and then starting the year with that reserve is important because it will allow us to meet 01:45:24.040 --> 01:45:30.600 - that target rather than trying to build it through next year through that budgeting process of 01:45:30.600 --> 01:45:30.840 - trying 01:45:30.840 --> 01:45:34.840 - to build that up throughout the year if we start with the balance to begin with. 01:45:34.840 --> 01:45:40.920 - The thing I'll say is that the plan and the fund have performed well for a long time 01:45:40.920 --> 01:45:46.680 - and we've been able to maintain stability for the county and employees but now because of those 01:45:46.680 --> 01:45:53.160 - increases that we are seeing that's the risk that we take on with being self-insured is that some 01:45:53.160 --> 01:46:02.200 - years we have we are we have a good year in some years the last 12 months where we are not doing 01:46:02.200 --> 01:46:08.600 - the way we would like to be doing so that's kind of a rundown of why we're asking for this in the 01:46:08.600 --> 01:46:15.800 - way that we are asking for it and we're happy to answer any questions. Thank you and you all have 01:46:15.800 --> 01:46:22.840 - been warning us for a while that this was coming and and now it's here so looking at the council 01:46:22.840 --> 01:46:26.760 - and I see a first-hand council I ever said first of all I want to thank you for sharing the 01:46:26.760 --> 01:46:27.400 - resources 01:46:27.400 --> 01:46:33.720 - that you did a couple days ago that powerpoint pdf whatever it was the the charts that you 01:46:33.720 --> 01:46:40.520 - put together to show the historical trends that just spiked in the past year uh really helped to 01:46:40.520 --> 01:46:47.800 - show how variable this can be uh the second point that I found really helpful was starting on page 01:46:47.800 --> 01:46:55.800 - 16 I think yeah page 16 where you you kind of laid out eight or nine points about why exactly 01:46:55.800 --> 01:47:01.720 - this is happening why it's happening now and I found that really helpful to not to kind of 01:47:01.720 --> 01:47:08.920 - contextualize uh why this very large uh ask is being made now so thank you for putting the time 01:47:08.920 --> 01:47:14.200 - and the effort into that and and I hope that other people are able to to read that as well sure and 01:47:14.200 --> 01:47:22.360 - then if I could also just throw one other thing out there um so uh the apex is on the meeting um 01:47:22.360 --> 01:47:27.480 - we've got a couple folks from there so if you have specific detailed questions that you would like 01:47:27.480 --> 01:47:27.640 - to 01:47:27.640 --> 01:47:34.200 - have answered they can um answer those questions for you okay thank you for letting us know they're 01:47:34.200 --> 01:47:42.440 - there counselor hawke yes uh this should come as no surprise I've already mentioned it um 01:47:43.080 --> 01:47:50.360 - that this is it's in my opinion quite wrong to put all of this in county general uh because that 01:47:50.360 --> 01:47:56.840 - just reduces the amount of money that we have available uh people are still hoping to get 01:47:56.840 --> 01:48:02.440 - something for cost of living rates and that three million is just coming out of the bucket 01:48:02.440 --> 01:48:09.240 - oh because it would be an administrative nightmare to fix it well we pay a lot of people a lot of 01:48:09.240 --> 01:48:16.200 - people to fix this administrative nightmare uh and and it's going to be going on 01:48:16.200 --> 01:48:22.840 - next year as well because what we're doing is we're we're bringing in as you said there's more 01:48:22.840 --> 01:48:29.320 - people in the plan and that's because we have so many different departments is so well we can't 01:48:29.320 --> 01:48:33.560 - cover we're not going to have enough money to cover it we'll throw that over in county general 01:48:33.560 --> 01:48:41.160 - somehow or the other a decision was sort of made outside of you know a major discussion about what 01:48:41.160 --> 01:48:46.920 - this would do to county general not just this but just in general i'm not faulting you for that 01:48:46.920 --> 01:48:55.080 - because this wasn't your choice this was just what it's come about but i think that if x dollars of 01:48:55.080 --> 01:49:00.840 - this should go to the highway if x dollars of this should go uh to the health department or 01:49:00.840 --> 01:49:01.800 - whatever 01:49:01.800 --> 01:49:09.480 - it's three million dollars uh that's needed to make it whole and it is not all county general 01:49:09.480 --> 01:49:15.000 - so i'm i'm putting that out there and i don't expect anyone to agree with me 01:49:15.000 --> 01:49:21.800 - no one has to i still get to have that opinion because it's three million right out of that pot 01:49:21.800 --> 01:49:28.680 - of money that we were hoping to try to make a move after bed when we're sitting there trying 01:49:28.680 --> 01:49:35.080 - to figure out where we're going to get 20 000 here 10 000 there whatever this is three million 01:49:35.080 --> 01:49:44.360 - got to say it counselor henry thank you uh madam president and maybe picking up on a little of what 01:49:44.360 --> 01:49:51.320 - counselor hawk was talking about there are funds that we can't use that we're that pay employees 01:49:51.320 --> 01:49:54.840 - in the county to cover insurance costs i think we're going to be talking about it later in the 01:49:54.840 --> 01:49:59.480 - budget tonight with the surveyor's corner fund is something that came up in the past 48 hours that 01:49:59.480 --> 01:50:06.440 - we are we are prohibited from billing or insurance to those funds and have to draw it for somewhere 01:50:06.440 --> 01:50:12.440 - from those county employees so i guess maybe my question is how much of that's there's got to be 01:50:12.440 --> 01:50:16.920 - more stories like that in the county so why we can't distribute the cost to other funds i mean 01:50:16.920 --> 01:50:22.120 - maybe the auditor might have an opinion on that and maybe it does require that long-term detail 01:50:22.120 --> 01:50:25.800 - analysis but they're just some places we couldn't some employees would not be able to get covered 01:50:25.800 --> 01:50:25.880 - if 01:50:25.880 --> 01:50:32.760 - we didn't do it this way i think is what i'm getting at is that right there is some grant funding 01:50:32.760 --> 01:50:32.920 - for 01:50:32.920 --> 01:50:40.280 - example that can't support the additional amount it wasn't budgeted for additionally as you know 01:50:40.280 --> 01:50:46.440 - we're running things quite tight right now budget wise so there are some funds that simply can't 01:50:46.440 --> 01:50:52.440 - support this additional funding particularly those larger departments um so it's just where do we 01:50:52.440 --> 01:50:52.600 - pull 01:50:52.600 --> 01:50:59.160 - it from so obviously the easiest place is always the general fund this is already in the 4b it's 01:50:59.160 --> 01:51:05.640 - accounted for so we have been planning around the idea that this would come from the general fund 01:51:05.640 --> 01:51:11.000 - however um i i guess i'm mistaken i thought there was kind of a consensus that that was sort of 01:51:11.000 --> 01:51:17.000 - agreed to not not fully obviously but just that might be the best place to pull this from at this 01:51:17.000 --> 01:51:22.600 - time because it was kind of unexpected and as things you know progress and as employee services 01:51:22.600 --> 01:51:26.840 - shared while these we're getting some really expensive invoices you know and we need we need 01:51:26.840 --> 01:51:32.200 - to move forward with um you know planning toward the end of the year um that's just where it could 01:51:32.200 --> 01:51:37.640 - most easily come from i think my maybe wrap up comment would be this does seem like a conversation 01:51:37.640 --> 01:51:43.960 - ripe for long-term government finance in the future that the cost of ensuring a graying workforce 01:51:43.960 --> 01:51:44.040 - as 01:51:44.040 --> 01:51:50.040 - well as the increasing illnesses that are affecting the younger population you know cancer hitting 01:51:50.040 --> 01:51:50.200 - it 01:51:50.200 --> 01:51:55.240 - under 40 uh for example um i think it's probably on a merit of longer conversation about how we're 01:51:55.240 --> 01:51:59.080 - going to fund this long term but that's my observation for this evening on that thanks 01:51:59.080 --> 01:52:05.960 - i appreciate that and i i mean there's lots of meetings that have happened since then but if i do 01:52:05.960 --> 01:52:12.360 - mistaken the long-term finance committee meeting we did have this conversation with apex being here 01:52:12.360 --> 01:52:19.880 - on a hot friday about it was i believe august eighth if i'm mistaken so we we did have that 01:52:19.880 --> 01:52:27.800 - conversation and it was something that we were told that this was coming to council um ahead of 01:52:27.800 --> 01:52:35.400 - time so if i again my memory is going sometimes but then i put on my readers and then i remind 01:52:35.400 --> 01:52:35.800 - myself 01:52:35.800 --> 01:52:41.880 - that we did have those conversations and we did so looking over here to see if anybody has any 01:52:41.880 --> 01:52:46.920 - questions counselor dekker i i know people always get annoyed particularly on long nights when i 01:52:46.920 --> 01:52:53.000 - have any recollection about when i was a little boy and being a child of a county employee 01:52:53.000 --> 01:52:58.360 - but i will say this it is important it's very important and i want this message to get to our 01:52:58.360 --> 01:53:04.680 - folks that we always as a council as a county government do our best to take care of our people 01:53:04.680 --> 01:53:11.640 - as well as we can with things like this and i can recall days when vision care was not part of the 01:53:11.640 --> 01:53:17.640 - solution for county employees and i can still see my mother one of our loyal county employees of 01:53:17.640 --> 01:53:24.440 - many many years uh shoving cash out of a purse across the counter to a local optometrist for 01:53:24.440 --> 01:53:29.960 - the very things that you see literally on my face when i was much smaller and i kind of gave her a 01:53:29.960 --> 01:53:34.440 - hard time about it and said mom what's what you know why are you shoving all that cash out and she 01:53:34.440 --> 01:53:39.000 - goes well the county doesn't cover that we've made progress in a lot of areas and if you want 01:53:39.000 --> 01:53:43.720 - to keep good people you have to keep making progress uh the hard part of it is figuring 01:53:43.720 --> 01:53:48.520 - all this out and how this all kind of works as we move into the future with all of our challenges 01:53:48.520 --> 01:53:53.800 - all right anybody else on this side have any questions 01:53:57.000 --> 01:54:04.040 - councilor wilson do you have something um no it's not we're out of time it's good i'm good i'm good 01:54:04.040 --> 01:54:12.440 - okay all right um so if there since we are out of time on that i'm gonna look to see if there's 01:54:12.440 --> 01:54:16.600 - any public comment on this item you can come forward to the lectern here the natu hill room 01:54:16.600 --> 01:54:22.840 - or you can raise your hand via teams and seeing none maybe please have a roll call vote 01:54:25.080 --> 01:54:32.760 - councillor hawke have councillor crossley yes councillor iverson yes councillor dekert 01:54:32.760 --> 01:54:36.280 - yes councillor fiddle councillor wilts 01:54:36.280 --> 01:54:46.840 - councillor henry yes motion passes six one okay next up is item t council i move to approve the 01:54:46.840 --> 01:54:54.840 - employee service department request and fund seven four seven zero zero dash zero zero zero self-insurance 01:54:54.840 --> 01:54:59.880 - for an additional appropriation of two million five hundred thousand dollars in the services 01:54:59.880 --> 01:55:00.520 - category 01:55:00.520 --> 01:55:08.280 - okay okay what would you like to add to this this is just to help us pay our what we're projecting 01:55:08.280 --> 01:55:16.520 - our outstanding bills to be for the rest of the year okay pretty self-explanatory um seeing 01:55:16.520 --> 01:55:23.640 - any questions here from council seeing chatter but no questions all right looking over here 01:55:23.640 --> 01:55:29.640 - it's my left seeing none all right um public comment it is your terms so if you have any 01:55:29.640 --> 01:55:34.120 - questions or public comment on this item you can come forward to the lectern here in the natu hill 01:55:34.120 --> 01:55:40.600 - room or you can raise your hand via teams and seeing none may we please have a roll call vote 01:55:43.160 --> 01:55:49.000 - we council hawk if you have a question that is related to this we have an opportunity we speak 01:55:49.000 --> 01:55:57.320 - on this we have the question we are almost in the process of doing the excuse me yeah right 01:55:57.320 --> 01:56:02.600 - excuse me i didn't hear you so i was just asking excuse me so i beg your pardon okay well i know 01:56:02.600 --> 01:56:08.440 - you're all in a rush i'll just say no while you all say yes nobody's in a rush and so i really wish 01:56:08.440 --> 01:56:15.800 - that we would not do that but okay while we are in the while i have the floor and i am chair and 01:56:15.800 --> 01:56:22.440 - i am saying this what i'm saying is if we have a question during council question and comment to 01:56:22.440 --> 01:56:28.520 - which i ask those questions we can ask them but if i see that nobody has any questions or comments 01:56:28.520 --> 01:56:34.280 - then we go to public comment then we ask for a roll call vote so if you have it during that time 01:56:34.280 --> 01:56:42.440 - i'm not ignoring you for any reason so there it is so again usually what we do we have question 01:56:42.440 --> 01:56:49.080 - we have comment we have public comment and then we have a roll call vote so in that case we're 01:56:49.080 --> 01:56:55.960 - moving to a roll call vote can we please have it councilor crossley yeah councilor iverson yes 01:56:55.960 --> 01:57:03.670 - councilor deckard yes councilor fiddle yes councilor wills yes councilor henry yes councilor hawk 01:57:03.670 --> 01:57:03.880 - no 01:57:03.880 --> 01:57:12.040 - motion passes six one all right now we move on to item u council i move to approve the employee 01:57:12.040 --> 01:57:19.400 - service department's request and fund one one eight six dash zero zero zero zero rainy day 01:57:19.400 --> 01:57:25.450 - for an additional appropriation of one million two hundred fifty thousand dollars in the services 01:57:25.450 --> 01:57:26.120 - category 01:57:26.120 --> 01:57:33.160 - second all right what would you like to add to this so this is this is this is love it or leave 01:57:33.160 --> 01:57:39.320 - it this is an idea for you to consider um we're just we want to this to be a collaborative effort 01:57:39.320 --> 01:57:48.040 - with you to figure out how we move forward and um how we pay our bills if if necessary so we're um 01:57:48.040 --> 01:57:55.240 - um we are open to whatever ideas and funding strategies you want that to look like moving 01:57:55.240 --> 01:58:03.640 - forward this is an idea we threw out there it's not it's up to you i guess what i'm saying is 01:58:03.640 --> 01:58:09.800 - that if if things continue to trend we're we're gonna look at 26 and plan for 26 as best we can 01:58:09.800 --> 01:58:16.600 - if 26 goes in a direction that we're not happy with what is the mechanism for us to make sure 01:58:16.600 --> 01:58:21.160 - we can pay something if if we get a million dollar bill that comes in that we need to pay 01:58:21.160 --> 01:58:27.720 - and and we don't have that money in the fund all right and so i'm gonna look to my left and open 01:58:27.720 --> 01:58:35.560 - this up for discussion here so i see first up we have counselor wilts yeah so i mean i maybe this 01:58:35.560 --> 01:58:43.400 - is a really simplistic but i feel like we just deposited that three million to kind of be that 01:58:43.400 --> 01:58:49.480 - and almost like that operating balance which we've had a lot of discussion about to kind of absorb 01:58:49.480 --> 01:58:57.880 - those and and the other point is i recognize and i haven't i haven't had time to go through all of 01:58:57.880 --> 01:59:01.240 - your presentation i'm pointing at my computer because it's pulled up and i've looked at a couple 01:59:01.240 --> 01:59:10.280 - of things but from what i understand from what you've told us this isn't really so much of a 01:59:11.400 --> 01:59:17.240 - we've looked over the past year and things have just been steadily climbing it's a we were like 01:59:17.240 --> 01:59:25.960 - this and then it went up in like yeah one month and i it's not a trend i guess is where i'm headed 01:59:25.960 --> 01:59:32.600 - that one month is not a trend i think it is a trend um okay tell me tell me more then um i do 01:59:32.600 --> 01:59:39.320 - think it's a trend i do think that um the action that you guys are all taking today with the three 01:59:39.320 --> 01:59:50.200 - million is fabulous and extremely helpful and um with our looking at history with projections 01:59:50.200 --> 02:00:01.320 - we believe that that's going to be helpful for us but we cannot predict 02:00:01.320 --> 02:00:08.440 - some of these really bad things that happen um so but to come back a little bit so i want to say is 02:00:09.400 --> 02:00:17.240 - the um health that um health costs are going up just straight up going up and so um we do know 02:00:17.240 --> 02:00:22.840 - that's a factor that's in play and i believe and apex can actually probably speak to this better 02:00:22.840 --> 02:00:33.400 - than i can but um i think that there's a 15 increase um over the last year um just in general 02:00:33.400 --> 02:00:40.520 - health care expenses um but going back to this particular item i don't think that we need this 02:00:40.520 --> 02:00:45.560 - right now so that's what we're that's what i believe agreed yes 02:00:45.560 --> 02:00:54.670 - i'll have another question but okay all right i'm gonna go down the line here so i'll go um start 02:00:54.670 --> 02:00:55.080 - and 02:00:55.080 --> 02:00:59.000 - looks like everybody got their hands ready so i'll go with council iverson first now i might be 02:00:59.000 --> 02:01:05.640 - presaging what counselor uh henry is going to be talking about but this sounds a lot like what uh 02:01:05.640 --> 02:01:13.240 - his comment was earlier uh in the the evening where we are going to continue to have these 02:01:13.240 --> 02:01:19.560 - these costs uh the number the chart that i found really interesting was not the number the growth 02:01:19.560 --> 02:01:25.480 - in employees but the growth of employees that are enrolling in the program has just gone up and up 02:01:25.480 --> 02:01:31.160 - and up that is a fantastic thing we need to be providing health care for our people this is 02:01:31.160 --> 02:01:38.280 - something that i'm very proud to be supporting we need to be paying those claims i'm i'm wondering 02:01:38.280 --> 02:01:46.120 - if ideas like this might have merits uh before the ltf committee long-term finance committee 02:01:46.120 --> 02:01:51.880 - uh that where we can flush out some of the the good from the the chaff and and kind of figure 02:01:51.880 --> 02:01:57.400 - our way out there and clearly as as you pointed out and and in your your presentation pointing 02:01:57.400 --> 02:02:04.200 - my computer to what councillor willis was uh there's a lot of data here so i there's a lot of 02:02:04.200 --> 02:02:08.200 - ways we can get out of this there's a lot of ways we can plan for the future and i'm excited to 02:02:08.200 --> 02:02:16.280 - listen to those conversations yes councillor thank you um i appreciate that the comment was made 02:02:16.280 --> 02:02:16.360 - that 02:02:16.360 --> 02:02:21.400 - maybe this isn't necessary uh at this point um because i'm not feeling great about the past two 02:02:21.400 --> 02:02:26.360 - votes it's like i ate a whole cheesecake here that's it's a big sugar rush of five million 02:02:26.360 --> 02:02:32.600 - plus here and i'm sure we'll be costing health insurance for that comment um and i'm not switching 02:02:32.600 --> 02:02:36.600 - into a red tie at the end of the table here either with the my councillor to the right but i will 02:02:36.600 --> 02:02:36.920 - say 02:02:36.920 --> 02:02:44.280 - that um i will but i will say this i mean the cost here is is concerning right and and and the the 02:02:44.280 --> 02:02:49.480 - the health insurance challenge is a constant garden like once we've got it you know we have 02:02:49.480 --> 02:02:54.520 - to revisit it immediately because things get weedy obviously um and that's where my heartburn is 02:02:54.520 --> 02:02:54.680 - with 02:02:54.680 --> 02:03:00.120 - all this tonight is is this it's an understanding of that that we offer this as a benefit you know 02:03:00.120 --> 02:03:06.440 - and i yeah i i think this is the the the thing we have to take back to long-term government finance 02:03:06.440 --> 02:03:11.320 - to figure out because this is taking a larger and larger bite out of her overall and unless we see 02:03:11.320 --> 02:03:17.400 - some dramatic shifts in the workforce or you know a miracle for curing certain things that are plaguing 02:03:17.400 --> 02:03:21.800 - our community or iu health bringing its costs down where the majority of our employees are going to 02:03:21.800 --> 02:03:28.200 - get services in the community in that monopoly and how it's tapping our community here this is 02:03:28.200 --> 02:03:34.360 - a significant challenge um significant challenge so i i got i know i'm pontificating on this line 02:03:34.360 --> 02:03:39.640 - item um you know at this point i'm a no for another you know a hit here in the uh the sugar rush 02:03:39.640 --> 02:03:39.800 - here 02:03:39.800 --> 02:03:45.720 - if you will but um we do need to revisit this holistically this was a lot to make up for a 02:03:46.600 --> 02:03:51.560 - huge cost thrown at us at the end of the year here that i know is not you know your fault but 02:03:51.560 --> 02:03:57.880 - but we won't be able to sustain those kind of shocks as the the tax um revenue continues to 02:03:57.880 --> 02:04:02.120 - decline over the next two fiscals and so it should have all of our attention tonight 02:04:02.120 --> 02:04:09.240 - thank you honor president thank you can i speak just want to make sure all right you can speak 02:04:09.240 --> 02:04:18.360 - yes absolutely at this point if we included this we've been asked to spend what six million 02:04:18.360 --> 02:04:25.880 - seven hundred fifty thousand dollars today out of our limited funds that we're trying to figure out 02:04:25.880 --> 02:04:32.280 - whether or not there's going to be other dollars to get through our budgeting system now i 02:04:32.280 --> 02:04:32.920 - understand 02:04:32.920 --> 02:04:38.920 - you're saying well maybe you won't need this out of the rainy day because really moving it out of 02:04:38.920 --> 02:04:43.400 - rainy day you may as well just take it right out of the bottom because we can move something out of 02:04:43.400 --> 02:04:52.040 - randy anytime but this has got to be addressed and yes we talked about it and long-term financing 02:04:52.040 --> 02:04:57.880 - what he said was we could expect that insurance costs would go go up he didn't say take a look 02:04:57.880 --> 02:05:04.440 - you're going to be looking at six million dollars so i mean i know this is going to be making you 02:05:04.440 --> 02:05:11.800 - sick too i mean if it's not then it should be everybody who looks at this and tries to figure 02:05:11.800 --> 02:05:16.600 - out how we're going to provide services how we're going to take care of our employees 02:05:16.600 --> 02:05:23.560 - and and where are we going to see the reductions this is huge 02:05:23.560 --> 02:05:33.560 - now you can speak okay thank you um and and i i agree with you all um uh this is something that 02:05:33.560 --> 02:05:38.600 - we are actively monitoring with apex and we have a lot of strategies that we can implement 02:05:38.600 --> 02:05:46.280 - to try and save us some costs in some areas before we have to impact employees so we're 02:05:46.280 --> 02:05:52.760 - going to exhaust all of those efforts um to to find where we can get some savings 02:05:52.760 --> 02:05:55.400 - before we change anything planned wise 02:05:57.960 --> 02:06:03.880 - okay yes councillor vitale let me just ask a fundamental question so it's self-insurance has 02:06:03.880 --> 02:06:11.160 - it always been self-insurance as long as i've been doing this it has been yes and do you remember 02:06:11.160 --> 02:06:16.280 - further back than that has it been since you remember always been self-insurance yeah it 02:06:16.280 --> 02:06:25.160 - used to be by a percentage um it was based on that percentage was determined by council like say 13 02:06:25.160 --> 02:06:33.880 - percent and then the salaries of your employees were multiplied by that 13 percent and that's how 02:06:33.880 --> 02:06:46.280 - that number came to be um that's what i first started and then that became um difficult for 02:06:46.280 --> 02:06:53.400 - departments who maybe had higher paid employees and they were burdened with more of that coming 02:06:53.400 --> 02:07:04.680 - from their budget um often or non-self so non-self insurance um my understanding is it might be you 02:07:04.680 --> 02:07:13.320 - don't have much control over costs um if you have a good year you don't get anything out of it 02:07:13.320 --> 02:07:18.760 - if you have a bad year you might still have more problems whereas with the self-insurance although 02:07:18.760 --> 02:07:26.760 - it's more of a roller coaster ride if you will we do actually get to save money through the plan 02:07:26.760 --> 02:07:35.000 - overall because some years are better than others i see Kate giving me a look like yeah yeah that's 02:07:35.000 --> 02:07:41.880 - that's the gist of being self-insured versus fully insured yeah so it's a long history so um any 02:07:41.880 --> 02:07:42.760 - ideas 02:07:42.760 --> 02:07:48.120 - from you or others here who may know what other counties may do with insurance for their employees 02:07:49.000 --> 02:07:56.280 - yes they represent yeah other counties i'm just curious if anyone might have no 02:07:56.280 --> 02:08:09.640 - yeah they were online so somebody from apex wanted to chime in here maybe gone oh i don't see oh 02:08:09.640 --> 02:08:17.320 - somebody hand is raised um looks like brandy pardo so you can unmute and you can go ahead 02:08:17.320 --> 02:08:18.120 - and have the floor 02:08:18.120 --> 02:08:32.440 - thank you thank you guys can you hear me okay yes wonderful so i do have some other county clients 02:08:32.440 --> 02:08:36.920 - um we do have some self-funded clients we have some fully insured clients 02:08:36.920 --> 02:08:44.760 - unfortunately most of the clients on our state are running into the same struggles that Monroe 02:08:44.760 --> 02:08:52.200 - county government is running into and that is that the medical insurance and costs are rising 02:08:52.200 --> 02:09:00.760 - there has been um a very steady rise in that but it's getting to the point where counties 02:09:00.760 --> 02:09:09.480 - as you guys are budgeting and you're in the state is um limiting those funds that are coming in 02:09:10.280 --> 02:09:16.920 - the struggles to be able to budget your medical expenses um are a little tougher this year 02:09:16.920 --> 02:09:23.800 - and we have seen that across a lot of our clients within the state so you are not the only county 02:09:23.800 --> 02:09:27.720 - that um is having some of these same struggles 02:09:27.720 --> 02:09:37.960 - so can i follow up yes so um what about numbers of counties that actually do provide one 02:09:37.960 --> 02:09:44.280 - or the other which is self-insurance or some other plan that would be based on 02:09:44.280 --> 02:09:48.840 - a stable cost at least for one year right it may change the next year 02:09:48.840 --> 02:09:56.040 - well we do have some counties some of the larger counties you'll see like yourself are self-funded 02:09:56.040 --> 02:10:03.800 - and run really good self-funded plans with the ability to control what the plan design is to 02:10:03.800 --> 02:10:08.440 - have those rebates and the reimbursements on the back end or keep some of that money on those good 02:10:08.440 --> 02:10:15.000 - years but there are also small counties who do the fully insured and unfortunately with the 02:10:15.000 --> 02:10:22.040 - fully insured plans you run into where you have pooling those fully insured rates where there's 02:10:22.040 --> 02:10:29.320 - no control over what increases you're getting because fully insured rates that are coming back 02:10:29.320 --> 02:10:34.520 - from the carriers are a little more non-negotiable than that of a self-funded plan 02:10:34.520 --> 02:10:44.360 - but am i correct in thinking that that rate would be stable for that insurance plan year is that 02:10:44.360 --> 02:10:54.040 - correct well the stability rate yes i mean you have set um premiums that you're going to pay 02:10:54.680 --> 02:11:02.280 - every single month what you don't have access to is your claims data to see what your 02:11:02.280 --> 02:11:09.720 - claims looks like from month in there's a huge lag in being able to get that information to be 02:11:09.720 --> 02:11:16.760 - able to budget according to you know where your your fund or where your plan is going 02:11:16.760 --> 02:11:23.480 - and and how it's how it's performing could i just ask a clarifying question i think are you asking 02:11:23.480 --> 02:11:30.200 - if it would make sense for us to toggle between being self-funded and fully insured to help us 02:11:30.200 --> 02:11:35.560 - control costs like could we just decide next year to be fully insured to control some of our costs 02:11:35.560 --> 02:11:41.560 - i don't know i'm looking for the best deal for the service we get right and i think that i i would 02:11:41.560 --> 02:11:47.960 - let brandy i don't think that that's uh i wouldn't say that's a good option but i would let brandy 02:11:47.960 --> 02:11:55.320 - speak to that if she what she thinks when we look at your premiums and what you base your 02:11:55.320 --> 02:12:01.720 - projections on we look at basing those off your expected costs so your projections and pe's are 02:12:01.720 --> 02:12:07.960 - based off the expected costs if you went to a fully insured plan we would be basing those off of 02:12:07.960 --> 02:12:08.280 - your 02:12:08.280 --> 02:12:14.840 - max cost what is that max liability going to be and the cost could be exponentially higher 02:12:16.040 --> 02:12:21.160 - especially since we're not things are are higher right now so they wouldn't see that's a lot of 02:12:21.160 --> 02:12:26.680 - risk right so that's some good clarification thank you yeah and i see it looks like maybe 02:12:26.680 --> 02:12:32.680 - somebody else from apex um john goss i hope i'm saying your last name right as their hand raised 02:12:32.680 --> 02:12:54.280 - as well able to unmute can you hear me yes we can hear you uh good evening uh yeah this is john goss 02:12:54.280 --> 02:13:03.560 - and i'm the president and a founder of apex benefits and we we do a lot of work with counties 02:13:03.560 --> 02:13:09.560 - we've been endorsed by the association of indiana counties for for almost 20 years and we work with 02:13:09.560 --> 02:13:18.280 - cities towns counties the reality on the fully insured versus self-funded in indiana it's very 02:13:18.280 --> 02:13:28.040 - rare for an employer with over 100 employees to be fully insured and that's basically because 02:13:28.040 --> 02:13:33.320 - the insurance companies are not really going to pay your claims 02:13:33.320 --> 02:13:40.200 - if they're just going to add their their cost of doing business their retention on top of your 02:13:40.200 --> 02:13:48.840 - claims cost so it's a lot more cost effective to be self-funded and and as as indicated 02:13:48.840 --> 02:13:49.400 - unfortunately 02:13:49.400 --> 02:13:58.130 - this is the 2025 i was just reading is the highest health care increase in cost in the last 15 02:13:58.130 --> 02:13:58.520 - years 02:13:59.240 --> 02:14:10.520 - so um um you know if uh if you know misery loves company there's there's lots of company out there 02:14:10.520 --> 02:14:13.800 - okay thank you thanks 02:14:13.800 --> 02:14:18.440 - anybody else have any other questions 02:14:18.440 --> 02:14:28.360 - oh counselor welts i'm looking at the um document that you provided as you can tell 02:14:29.000 --> 02:14:39.960 - um and you listed or whoever wrote this listed um possible strategies to contain rising insurance 02:14:39.960 --> 02:14:49.160 - costs without reducing employee benefits um a lot of those look like they reduce employee benefits 02:14:49.160 --> 02:14:56.040 - but i might be defining things differently but like um you know pharmacy benefit management 02:14:56.040 --> 02:15:01.000 - changes yeah so that's that that is just an administrative thing that we would take on so 02:15:01.000 --> 02:15:07.400 - there have been some changes in and things that we can sort of bid out who manages our our pharmacy 02:15:07.400 --> 02:15:13.400 - we aren't we're aren't sort of stuck with working with anthem on that we were yes and now we can 02:15:13.400 --> 02:15:20.920 - we can explore other options and pharmacy is one of the highest costly things that we're 02:15:20.920 --> 02:15:21.560 - experiencing 02:15:21.560 --> 02:15:29.400 - so that is a strategy that we're going hopefully planning to explore with apex to see if that can 02:15:29.400 --> 02:15:37.240 - reduce some of our costs but that impact what prescriptions were okay that's you know where i'm 02:15:37.240 --> 02:15:43.230 - yeah our plan and what we cover on our plan would stay the same it's just kind of how who manages 02:15:43.230 --> 02:15:43.560 - the 02:15:43.560 --> 02:15:51.240 - the pharmacy not offer an hdhp plan now because one of those said steerage toward hdhp we do 02:15:51.240 --> 02:16:00.200 - but that plan in theory costs us less because of the way that that's structured that higher 02:16:00.200 --> 02:16:06.840 - deductible employees are paying more for that and so we can incentivize that we have incentivized 02:16:06.840 --> 02:16:12.600 - that in the past that's how we've gotten to where we are at i think it grows every year with the 02:16:12.600 --> 02:16:21.400 - number of employees that are on that but we can look at ways to explore that and is that are these 02:16:21.400 --> 02:16:29.720 - things that you can change i mean maybe not for 2026 but the you can do you can change yeah 2027 02:16:29.720 --> 02:16:37.800 - would be the the plan for implementing some of these things i will tell you that Seth and i 02:16:37.800 --> 02:16:45.560 - are really working on employee education will help reduce a lot of costs there are a lot of people 02:16:45.560 --> 02:16:53.480 - using iu health and and i would say that that is an increase to the employee and to us much more 02:16:53.480 --> 02:16:59.640 - significantly than if employees were willing to explore other options in indianapolis i mean i 02:16:59.640 --> 02:17:04.920 - think here angie and i both had surgeries this year and the cost we both did not have it in 02:17:04.920 --> 02:17:13.880 - bloomington and and that cost is was reduced significantly because we sought other locations 02:17:13.880 --> 02:17:20.760 - so i mean i we are also exploring some direct provider options with our clinic the clinic is 02:17:20.760 --> 02:17:27.880 - really managing a lot of things where there i mean just the clinic was seeing some high incidences 02:17:27.880 --> 02:17:28.600 - of 02:17:28.600 --> 02:17:33.400 - sleep apnea and so people needed to go and get studies for that and that was really costly to the 02:17:33.400 --> 02:17:41.240 - employee and the plan and so we've explored a direct a way for us to further do a direct cost 02:17:41.240 --> 02:17:48.360 - to a specific provider that reduced how much the employee and the plan is paying for a sleep apnea 02:17:48.360 --> 02:17:52.840 - test that's appreciated yes yes exactly and so that's that's a small number of people but 02:17:52.840 --> 02:17:59.160 - there are other things like that that we can explore that would impact much larger numbers 02:17:59.160 --> 02:18:07.480 - of our population on the plan thank you does that help okay yeah okay does anybody else have any 02:18:07.480 --> 02:18:12.920 - question or comments counselor decker i was just going to offer on this line it sounds like we've 02:18:12.920 --> 02:18:21.240 - been told that no action tonight keep this on your radar um i'm going to offer that we table this 02:18:21.240 --> 02:18:27.480 - indefinitely uh accordingly and i think we've certainly taken strong action tonight but uh 02:18:27.480 --> 02:18:33.240 - madam president i'll move to table this indefinitely second okay we got a motion and a second to 02:18:33.240 --> 02:18:33.560 - table 02:18:33.560 --> 02:18:40.120 - this item indefinitely is there any further questions on comments on this particular motion 02:18:40.120 --> 02:18:47.880 - looking around and make sure all right i'm gonna play my county council card and reverse it back 02:18:47.880 --> 02:18:57.480 - to me all right um next so if we don't have any questions um we can do a voice vote um all those 02:18:57.480 --> 02:19:04.520 - in favor of tabling this item indefinitely signify by saying aye aye all those opposed same sign 02:19:04.520 --> 02:19:14.680 - all right motion carries all right thank you very much um next up would be item number 10 which is 02:19:14.680 --> 02:19:23.160 - the 2026 budget reviews however um i think we definitely uh need a break here so i would like 02:19:23.160 --> 02:19:34.200 - to um recess and come back at uh let's see what time is it um 7 40 so we are going to recess until 02:19:34.200 --> 02:19:42.840 - 7 40 okay all right all right next up is item 10 which is the county council business which is 02:19:42.840 --> 02:19:50.600 - the 2026 budget reviews and over the past several weeks council began the 2026 budget reviews with 02:19:50.600 --> 02:20:00.040 - all of the departments and um last thursday september 11th was the last of the um department 02:20:00.040 --> 02:20:08.440 - hearings and so tonight is the opportunity for everybody to um as we discussed last thursday 02:20:08.440 --> 02:20:13.560 - anybody that wanted to open up budgets to kind of go back and review that is the will of the 02:20:13.560 --> 02:20:14.280 - council 02:20:14.280 --> 02:20:21.880 - and council would be able to do that i do want to point out that there is going to be a um the 02:20:21.880 --> 02:20:29.640 - public hearing where public can make public comment on september 30th um and that is september 30th 02:20:29.640 --> 02:20:33.880 - right here in the net you hill room starting at five o'clock anybody that wants to make public 02:20:33.880 --> 02:20:40.280 - comment on the 2026 items um you would be able to do so at that time you can do so here in a net 02:20:40.280 --> 02:20:40.440 - you 02:20:40.440 --> 02:20:47.240 - hill room or you would be able to attend via teams and make those or um you know if you can't do 02:20:47.240 --> 02:20:53.320 - either one you can definitely always email all of the council members to let us know your concerns 02:20:53.320 --> 02:21:03.800 - as well so with that being said um i know that uh miss shell had some amendments that she had um or 02:21:03.800 --> 02:21:09.720 - some things that we needed to change here and so we just need to go back and go through those first 02:21:09.720 --> 02:21:14.440 - since those seem to be pretty easy and then we'll get into the meat and potatoes because we also 02:21:14.440 --> 02:21:20.280 - need to come back from the item that we tabled earlier with um the health department so what 02:21:20.280 --> 02:21:25.560 - i'd like to do is we'll get through those um small amendments with michelle first then i'd 02:21:25.560 --> 02:21:31.400 - like to open it back up and have the health department come in and then we'll proceed with 02:21:31.400 --> 02:21:37.800 - the opening of 2026 budgets so everybody all on the same page man president just point information 02:21:37.800 --> 02:21:41.880 - for the public so so we're working through michelle's amendments now we're moving back 02:21:41.880 --> 02:21:45.320 - to your tape your item that you amended to the end of the health department and then we're coming 02:21:45.320 --> 02:21:50.840 - back together to go into opening up additional budgets okay got it okay thank you you're very 02:21:50.840 --> 02:21:57.080 - welcome does anybody else have any questions or comments of what was discussed yes 02:21:57.080 --> 02:22:04.920 - we're gonna do the health tabled item before we talk about overall what we're doing with health 02:22:06.040 --> 02:22:16.680 - yes did you have another suggestion to that when i when i suggested tabling it i was thinking that 02:22:16.680 --> 02:22:25.720 - it would it would come after item 10 at the end of item 10 it's because what we decide to do 02:22:26.600 --> 02:22:36.200 - during our discussions might impact what we want to do on that one item i'm sorry that's what i 02:22:36.200 --> 02:22:43.240 - meant i don't know how it happened but that's what i meant so from my understanding then you want 02:22:43.240 --> 02:22:43.480 - to 02:22:43.480 --> 02:22:51.640 - have we open up the budget conversations first and then we'll get into the health department 02:22:52.600 --> 02:22:57.400 - okay well we'll open up the health department and everything and i don't know i assume that'll be 02:22:57.400 --> 02:23:02.120 - part of the discussion because we're going to probably make changes on across lots of 02:23:02.120 --> 02:23:07.640 - departments correct and council henry so just for the you know just for those individuals waiting 02:23:07.640 --> 02:23:12.200 - to come back to the table are we saying that it might be a few hours before we get to the health 02:23:12.200 --> 02:23:18.040 - department again or are we because it could be a bit um i just want to be clear on that i mean yep 02:23:19.480 --> 02:23:33.880 - yeah okay okay so um okay so then i would suggest i'm not moving any faster um or anything like 02:23:33.880 --> 02:23:34.440 - that 02:23:34.440 --> 02:23:39.720 - this is a big deal that we are all tasked and we knew that we were needed to do this but i do 02:23:39.720 --> 02:23:44.360 - understand that we have folks awaiting and i want to be respectful of their time as well since we 02:23:44.360 --> 02:23:49.800 - tabled their item to come towards the end of this and they're sitting here waiting so that being 02:23:49.800 --> 02:23:50.040 - said 02:23:50.040 --> 02:23:56.280 - does anybody else have any other questions or concerns about the order of what we are about 02:23:56.280 --> 02:24:06.200 - to do council iverson may i uh recommend that instead of opening up all of the budgets maybe 02:24:06.200 --> 02:24:13.000 - in order to help folks get home that we open just the health budgets and to have that conversation 02:24:13.000 --> 02:24:17.880 - so that other folks don't have to sit here and listen to everything else that we're doing tonight 02:24:17.880 --> 02:24:25.080 - so would you recommend from my understanding are you saying that after we're done with our 02:24:25.080 --> 02:24:25.640 - amendments 02:24:25.640 --> 02:24:33.640 - then we go into the opening of the 2026 budgets you would open up 2026 first with the health 02:24:33.640 --> 02:24:41.000 - department and then you would get into um the table that you understand me correctly okay 02:24:41.720 --> 02:24:47.720 - does everybody else understand that okay yes counselor vital so i have a person here who would 02:24:47.720 --> 02:24:52.200 - like to speak about something i'm going to open up in the regular budget part as well so it's 02:24:52.200 --> 02:25:00.280 - not just the health department that's here okay but we don't have public comment on well i'm 02:25:00.280 --> 02:25:11.400 - going to do my best okay okay all right okay so does everybody understand and are okay with this 02:25:11.800 --> 02:25:17.320 - yes okay i heard some chatter down there i wasn't sure if anybody had any questions okay so moving 02:25:17.320 --> 02:25:22.120 - forward i'm going to look to counselor iverson and then we're going to go ahead and get started 02:25:22.120 --> 02:25:30.440 - uh council uh this is item 10a i moved to open budget 1000-0380 county general jail 02:25:30.440 --> 02:25:37.480 - and make the following amendment increase account line 34100 medical services to one thousand six 02:25:37.480 --> 02:25:41.560 - thousand six hundred one million six hundred seventy five thousand two hundred seventy seven 02:25:41.560 --> 02:25:42.200 - dollars 02:25:42.200 --> 02:25:52.200 - second okay are there any questions on this item yes is it too much to ask to have these budgets 02:25:52.200 --> 02:25:58.280 - portrayed on the screen or is that too fast no just give me one moment yeah okay i if it's an undue 02:25:58.280 --> 02:26:06.120 - burden it helps me um make sure i'm reading things right if i can look at it too 02:26:06.120 --> 02:26:08.760 - do 02:26:08.760 --> 02:26:20.920 - i just got to get it set up so 02:26:20.920 --> 02:26:26.760 - thank you michelle 02:26:56.760 --> 02:27:06.800 - Okay, so we are talking about this line right here, which is the medical services. 02:27:06.800 --> 02:27:17.280 - During the budget sessions, the sheriff and them lowered that amount. 02:27:17.280 --> 02:27:20.160 - But they also forgot to include something in that amount. 02:27:20.160 --> 02:27:25.080 - So it's still going to be a little lower than what they were talking about. 02:27:25.080 --> 02:27:35.480 - So this is just to, it's that amount that you see, which is 1,525,277 plus another $150,000, 02:27:35.480 --> 02:27:38.480 - which is the cost of the pool. 02:27:38.480 --> 02:27:43.860 - So you received an email from them with regards to why we need to make this amendment with 02:27:43.860 --> 02:27:46.940 - regards to the medical services in the jail. 02:27:46.940 --> 02:27:55.580 - What's the new amount? 1,675,277. 02:27:55.580 --> 02:28:05.400 - Okay, is there any other further questions or comments from council? 02:28:05.400 --> 02:28:08.400 - Looking to my right. 02:28:08.400 --> 02:28:09.400 - Seeing none. 02:28:09.400 --> 02:28:11.640 - Looking to my left. 02:28:11.640 --> 02:28:12.960 - Also seeing none. 02:28:12.960 --> 02:28:17.560 - All right, may we please have a roll call vote? 02:28:17.560 --> 02:28:20.200 - Councillor Decker? 02:28:20.200 --> 02:28:21.200 - Councillor Decker? 02:28:21.200 --> 02:28:22.200 - Oh, yes. 02:28:22.200 --> 02:28:23.200 - Councillor Fiddle? 02:28:23.200 --> 02:28:24.200 - Yes. 02:28:24.200 --> 02:28:25.200 - Councillor Wilz? 02:28:25.200 --> 02:28:26.200 - Yes. 02:28:26.200 --> 02:28:27.200 - Councillor Henry? 02:28:27.200 --> 02:28:28.200 - Yes. 02:28:28.200 --> 02:28:29.200 - Councillor Hock? 02:28:29.200 --> 02:28:30.200 - Yes. 02:28:30.200 --> 02:28:31.200 - Councillor Crosley? 02:28:31.200 --> 02:28:32.200 - Yes. 02:28:32.200 --> 02:28:33.200 - Councillor Iverson? 02:28:33.200 --> 02:28:34.200 - Yes. 02:28:34.200 --> 02:28:35.200 - Motion passes 7-0. 02:28:35.200 --> 02:28:37.920 - Okay, next up is... 02:28:37.920 --> 02:28:42.960 - My understanding is that 10B no longer needs to be read. 02:28:42.960 --> 02:28:48.720 - Yes, yes it does because you've got to reduce it to zero. 02:28:48.720 --> 02:28:49.720 - Understood. 02:28:49.720 --> 02:28:52.720 - Thank you. 02:28:52.720 --> 02:28:56.520 - Just for a, may I ask a point of clarification before I read this? 02:28:56.520 --> 02:29:04.560 - Every council member should have the 2026 budget session amendments. 02:29:04.560 --> 02:29:06.440 - Council member Hock, you should have this as well. 02:29:06.440 --> 02:29:07.440 - This is what I'm reading from. 02:29:07.440 --> 02:29:08.440 - Okay. 02:29:08.440 --> 02:29:09.440 - Great. 02:29:09.440 --> 02:29:10.440 - All right. 02:29:10.440 --> 02:29:11.440 - Item 10B. 02:29:11.440 --> 02:29:22.480 - Council, I move to open budget 1000-0005 County General Sheriff and make the following amendment. 02:29:22.480 --> 02:29:26.400 - Reduce account line 30025 maintenance to zero. 02:29:26.400 --> 02:29:27.400 - Second. 02:29:27.400 --> 02:29:28.400 - Okay. 02:29:28.400 --> 02:29:34.200 - Any other discussions on this item, Michelle? 02:29:34.200 --> 02:29:36.880 - We got a clarifying email. 02:29:36.880 --> 02:29:40.920 - We've been working on consolidating some account lines together. 02:29:40.920 --> 02:29:50.360 - This account line was among that list, and with that, per the Commissioner's administrator, 02:29:50.360 --> 02:29:54.480 - anything maintenance with regards to the building is actually done through their budget. 02:29:54.480 --> 02:29:57.920 - So this does not need to be in their general fund budget. 02:29:57.920 --> 02:29:58.920 - Okay. 02:29:58.920 --> 02:29:59.920 - All right. 02:29:59.920 --> 02:30:00.920 - You're looking to my left. 02:30:00.920 --> 02:30:01.920 - Yes. 02:30:01.920 --> 02:30:02.920 - Councilor Wilks. 02:30:02.920 --> 02:30:13.400 - Is the sheriff and jail commander [audio cuts out] 02:30:13.400 --> 02:30:16.400 - I don't know. 02:30:16.400 --> 02:30:17.400 - No. 02:30:17.400 --> 02:30:21.840 - Can you hear me now? 02:30:21.840 --> 02:30:22.840 - Yes. 02:30:22.840 --> 02:30:23.840 - Yes. 02:30:23.840 --> 02:30:26.280 - That information was received this afternoon from Angie Purdy. 02:30:26.280 --> 02:30:31.320 - I'm unaware if they have that information. 02:30:31.320 --> 02:30:34.080 - Okay. 02:30:34.080 --> 02:30:38.640 - But what was relayed is that it's already budgeted in the commissioner's budget. 02:30:38.640 --> 02:30:39.640 - Right. 02:30:39.640 --> 02:30:46.760 - As I recall from two to three years ago when current administration in the sheriff's office 02:30:46.760 --> 02:30:53.640 - took over, they had a lot of back and forth about maintenance and who pays for it. 02:30:53.640 --> 02:30:59.760 - And I believe that their result was that the sheriff really wanted to have some of their 02:30:59.760 --> 02:31:05.720 - own maintenance funds so they could get things done that day if they needed to and didn't 02:31:05.720 --> 02:31:09.720 - have to go all the way through everybody to change a light bulb. 02:31:09.720 --> 02:31:13.080 - And honestly, I remember that was the example. 02:31:13.080 --> 02:31:14.080 - I'm not kidding. 02:31:14.080 --> 02:31:20.120 - And, I mean, I don't -- what's it -- what's the budget -- what's the line right now? 02:31:20.120 --> 02:31:21.120 - $500,000? 02:31:21.120 --> 02:31:31.360 - This was just a recommendation that I received, so it's totally up to you guys. 02:31:31.360 --> 02:31:33.160 - Yes, Councilor. 02:31:33.160 --> 02:31:42.160 - If we -- let's say we vote yes on this and then we get some other further comment from 02:31:42.160 --> 02:31:47.200 - any multitudes of people about it, we have time to come into this again? 02:31:47.200 --> 02:31:48.520 - Yes, you do. 02:31:48.520 --> 02:31:54.160 - We'll have up to September the 30th at the public hearing, so you've still got time. 02:31:54.160 --> 02:31:59.440 - One thing is, I believe -- if I may -- I believe in the spirit of this evening, there's going 02:31:59.440 --> 02:32:05.720 - to be a lot flying and elbows kind of going all over the place, and so I -- given that 02:32:05.720 --> 02:32:12.520 - and noting what Councilor Wilt said, my belief is that we move forward, but just be nimble, 02:32:12.520 --> 02:32:19.040 - and I suspect that's going to be the season for us for next few years anyway. 02:32:19.040 --> 02:32:20.040 - Okay. 02:32:20.040 --> 02:32:21.040 - Yes. 02:32:21.040 --> 02:32:22.040 - Councilor Hawke. 02:32:22.040 --> 02:32:23.040 - Okay. 02:32:23.040 --> 02:32:31.680 - What we're talking about here is a duly elected official who's overseeing his budget, he presented 02:32:31.680 --> 02:32:39.160 - the budget to us, and I am not at all comfortable to take something away that's not even been 02:32:39.160 --> 02:32:46.520 - discussed with him when he made his point, the reason why he needed this line, and that 02:32:46.520 --> 02:32:52.120 - was like three years ago when it all had to do with putting lipstick on a pig. 02:32:52.120 --> 02:32:57.160 - And for those of you who aren't here, those of us who are, and it's just important to 02:32:57.160 --> 02:32:58.720 - leave that there. 02:32:58.720 --> 02:33:01.240 - And we can always take it off. 02:33:01.240 --> 02:33:06.800 - You know, it's just as easy to take it off later as it is, you know, if we all agree 02:33:06.800 --> 02:33:09.560 - to do that. 02:33:09.560 --> 02:33:10.560 - >> Councillor Henry. 02:33:10.560 --> 02:33:11.560 - >> Thank you. 02:33:11.560 --> 02:33:18.640 - Do we have Ms. Purdy's actual, like, does she write us in writing what the details are 02:33:18.640 --> 02:33:19.640 - for this? 02:33:19.640 --> 02:33:25.000 - I mean, other than saying at her request or per Angie Purdy? 02:33:25.000 --> 02:33:26.000 - What does she say? 02:33:26.000 --> 02:33:32.000 - Because I tend to -- I'm inclined to agree with Councillor Hawke on that one. 02:33:32.000 --> 02:33:38.000 - For Angie Purdy, Sheriff and Weights and Measures do not need 33050 lines. 02:33:38.000 --> 02:33:42.960 - She says that these can be zeroed out if they intend to use them for fleet maintenance. 02:33:42.960 --> 02:33:46.960 - This was read verbatim to Angie, and she agreed with the verbiage. 02:33:46.960 --> 02:33:50.280 - >> Read verbatim to Angie. 02:33:50.280 --> 02:33:51.280 - From who? 02:33:51.280 --> 02:33:55.240 - >> It was a phone conversation between myself and Angie earlier today, and that was what 02:33:55.240 --> 02:33:57.280 - I wrote down from the email. 02:33:57.280 --> 02:33:58.280 - >> Okay. 02:33:58.280 --> 02:33:59.280 - >> I typed it out. 02:33:59.280 --> 02:34:00.280 - I read it back to her. 02:34:00.280 --> 02:34:02.480 - I just copied it on the email. 02:34:02.480 --> 02:34:03.860 - >> I'm happy to hear more. 02:34:03.860 --> 02:34:04.860 - >> Yeah. 02:34:04.860 --> 02:34:06.600 - The auditor has her hand up. 02:34:06.600 --> 02:34:11.360 - >> I very clearly remember the conversation that Councilor Wilts is referring to as well, 02:34:11.360 --> 02:34:16.480 - and this is a minimal amount, so we're just simply relaying the information. 02:34:16.480 --> 02:34:18.440 - It's not necessarily a recommendation. 02:34:18.440 --> 02:34:19.440 - >> Okay. 02:34:19.440 --> 02:34:20.440 - Thank you, Madam President. 02:34:20.440 --> 02:34:21.440 - >> Okay. 02:34:21.440 --> 02:34:22.440 - Thank you. 02:34:22.440 --> 02:34:29.160 - And just to be clear, like, if we could technically, like, hypothetically speaking, we could 02:34:29.160 --> 02:34:29.920 - withdraw 02:34:29.920 --> 02:34:35.200 - the motion, and then at the public hearing on the 30th, this is something that we can 02:34:35.200 --> 02:34:36.600 - bring back to. 02:34:36.600 --> 02:34:42.320 - So we'll probably -- I would -- I would feel comfortable in doing that because he has made 02:34:42.320 --> 02:34:48.960 - it explicitly clear, you know, his role and whatnot, and I don't want to step on the toes 02:34:48.960 --> 02:34:51.760 - of anybody for that matter, and definitely not the sheriff. 02:34:51.760 --> 02:34:58.560 - So I guess I would recommend -- well, yeah. 02:34:58.560 --> 02:35:07.080 - So I move to table this discussion item and reopen it back on September 30th, 2025. 02:35:07.080 --> 02:35:08.080 - Second. 02:35:08.080 --> 02:35:09.080 - All right. 02:35:09.080 --> 02:35:12.560 - We got a motion and a second to table this item. 02:35:12.560 --> 02:35:18.080 - So again, this is to table this item so that we can check with the sheriff to make sure 02:35:18.080 --> 02:35:22.240 - that he would be okay with this. 02:35:22.240 --> 02:35:27.880 - And then we can reopen this back at the 30th for the public hearing. 02:35:27.880 --> 02:35:32.080 - Does anybody have any other questions or comments related to this motion? 02:35:32.080 --> 02:35:35.080 - Who's seconded? 02:35:35.080 --> 02:35:38.480 - Thank you. 02:35:38.480 --> 02:35:42.640 - All right. 02:35:42.640 --> 02:35:45.800 - So any other further discussion? 02:35:45.800 --> 02:35:46.800 - Okay. 02:35:46.800 --> 02:35:47.800 - Yes. 02:35:47.800 --> 02:35:53.560 - All those in favor of table in this item until September 30th, signify by saying aye. 02:35:53.560 --> 02:35:54.560 - Aye. 02:35:54.560 --> 02:35:56.000 - All those opposed, same sign. 02:35:56.000 --> 02:35:57.000 - All right. 02:35:57.000 --> 02:35:58.000 - The motion carries. 02:35:58.000 --> 02:35:59.000 - This is item 10C. 02:35:59.000 --> 02:36:06.580 - Council, I move to open budget 1175-0000, jail misdemeanant and make the following amendment. 02:36:06.580 --> 02:36:10.720 - Reduce account line 30025 maintenance to zero. 02:36:10.720 --> 02:36:19.680 - Create account line 38,000 services, maintenance, repair, buildings/grounds and set it to $30,000. 02:36:19.680 --> 02:36:26.920 - Reduce account line 34300 com repair/services to zero. 02:36:26.920 --> 02:36:34.080 - Create account line 38010 services, maintenance, repair/equipment and set it to $10,000. 02:36:34.080 --> 02:36:35.080 - All right. 02:36:35.080 --> 02:36:37.680 - We got a motion and a second. 02:36:37.680 --> 02:36:39.720 - Any other discussion on this item? 02:36:39.720 --> 02:36:40.720 - Yes. 02:36:40.720 --> 02:36:42.080 - Council, I represent. 02:36:42.080 --> 02:36:45.520 - On the third line, we're reducing 34300. 02:36:45.520 --> 02:36:48.800 - What does COOMM stand for? 02:36:48.800 --> 02:36:49.800 - Is that communication? 02:36:49.800 --> 02:36:51.800 - I believe computer. 02:36:51.800 --> 02:36:52.800 - No. 02:36:52.800 --> 02:36:57.520 - It's commissioners, I'll bet. 02:36:57.520 --> 02:37:04.520 - Yes, we believe it's commissioners, but there's no solid understanding that it's 100% factual 02:37:04.520 --> 02:37:05.520 - on that. 02:37:05.520 --> 02:37:07.200 - That's why we are removing the line. 02:37:07.200 --> 02:37:08.200 - Understood. 02:37:08.200 --> 02:37:09.200 - Okay. 02:37:09.200 --> 02:37:17.240 - We reached out to the jail with regards to this in amending these, and they did agree 02:37:17.240 --> 02:37:24.320 - that for these adjustments, so they were fine with amending to the new account lines. 02:37:24.320 --> 02:37:25.320 - Okay. 02:37:25.320 --> 02:37:26.320 - And I thought I saw another hand. 02:37:26.320 --> 02:37:28.000 - Council, did you have your hand? 02:37:28.000 --> 02:37:34.160 - I was just going to say that is what was just sent to us today, the back and forth of that. 02:37:34.160 --> 02:37:38.600 - I think you have a copy of that, Kate. 02:37:38.600 --> 02:37:39.600 - No, just me. 02:37:39.600 --> 02:37:40.600 - Yeah. 02:37:40.600 --> 02:37:41.600 - Right? 02:37:41.600 --> 02:37:42.600 - Right. 02:37:42.600 --> 02:37:45.040 - I inquired about this. 02:37:45.040 --> 02:37:53.320 - I only copied my co liaison and the council office, and Kim said that we had talked about 02:37:53.320 --> 02:37:59.960 - these reductions in the original budget session, and that we were set, and they said, okay, 02:37:59.960 --> 02:38:01.640 - that's our understanding too. 02:38:01.640 --> 02:38:08.440 - So this part's good, and no, nobody else was copied on it for, you know, reasons that are 02:38:08.440 --> 02:38:09.440 - up. 02:38:09.440 --> 02:38:14.920 - Also, Madam President, the reason for the back and forth was as well. 02:38:14.920 --> 02:38:23.440 - Something to do with the what was entered in the four B and aware where the revenue went 02:38:23.440 --> 02:38:31.720 - for jail for the money that we expect to get for jail occupancy, the reimbursement from 02:38:31.720 --> 02:38:37.960 - the state that they just allowed and, and I responded saying, I think that's already 02:38:37.960 --> 02:38:40.440 - in the four B for the general fund. 02:38:40.440 --> 02:38:45.520 - Well, then somehow the other they started talking about the four B for this fun, but 02:38:45.520 --> 02:38:53.760 - I do believe that that that that money coming in for reimbursement is to go into the general 02:38:53.760 --> 02:38:59.720 - fund and has already been accounted for in the miscellaneous revenue in the general fund. 02:38:59.720 --> 02:39:05.400 - Would it have been already accounted for when we didn't know we were getting it? 02:39:05.400 --> 02:39:06.400 - We always get it. 02:39:06.400 --> 02:39:13.880 - We had to make an adjustment and I believe that Jordan sent in with the and I sent a 02:39:13.880 --> 02:39:20.320 - message to him saying, what did he turn in for what he believed was going to be the revenue 02:39:20.320 --> 02:39:21.320 - for next year. 02:39:21.320 --> 02:39:26.160 - But this is going to be an adjustment for revenue for this year because he said they 02:39:26.160 --> 02:39:27.160 - already got it. 02:39:27.160 --> 02:39:28.160 - They got it on Monday. 02:39:28.160 --> 02:39:29.600 - How much Monday? 02:39:29.600 --> 02:39:32.520 - So we need to find out how much they got on Monday. 02:39:32.520 --> 02:39:36.200 - If we need to adjust that miscellaneous revenue on the four B. 02:39:36.200 --> 02:39:39.120 - All standard reimbursements have been accounted for. 02:39:39.120 --> 02:39:44.480 - So I will double check with the department, but I believe it's in there. 02:39:44.480 --> 02:39:45.480 - Okay. 02:39:45.480 --> 02:39:46.960 - All right. 02:39:46.960 --> 02:39:50.640 - Is there any other further discussion on this item? 02:39:50.640 --> 02:39:53.320 - All right. 02:39:53.320 --> 02:39:55.400 - Seeing none. 02:39:55.400 --> 02:39:56.400 - All those in favor. 02:39:56.400 --> 02:40:04.780 - Well, no voice or can I do a roll call vote, please? 02:40:04.780 --> 02:40:09.580 - You're not changing any of the amounts, you're just shifting them from one account line to 02:40:09.580 --> 02:40:10.580 - another. 02:40:10.580 --> 02:40:11.580 - Okay. 02:40:11.580 --> 02:40:19.980 - So I legal do you, is it okay to do a voice vote? 02:40:19.980 --> 02:40:20.980 - You're reducing. 02:40:20.980 --> 02:40:21.980 - Do a roll call just in case. 02:40:21.980 --> 02:40:22.980 - Yeah. 02:40:22.980 --> 02:40:23.980 - Okay. 02:40:23.980 --> 02:40:24.980 - So we'll do, we'll do a roll call vote. 02:40:24.980 --> 02:40:25.980 - Thank you. 02:40:25.980 --> 02:40:26.980 - Okay. 02:40:26.980 --> 02:40:27.980 - You're welcome. 02:40:27.980 --> 02:40:28.980 - Thank you. 02:40:28.980 --> 02:40:29.980 - Councilor Wilts? 02:40:29.980 --> 02:40:30.980 - Yes. 02:40:30.980 --> 02:40:31.980 - Councilor Henry? 02:40:31.980 --> 02:40:32.980 - Yes. 02:40:32.980 --> 02:40:33.980 - Councilor Hock? 02:40:33.980 --> 02:40:34.980 - Yes. 02:40:34.980 --> 02:40:35.980 - Councilor Iverson? 02:40:35.980 --> 02:40:36.980 - Yes. 02:40:36.980 --> 02:40:37.980 - Councilor Decker? 02:40:37.980 --> 02:40:38.980 - Yeah. 02:40:38.980 --> 02:40:39.980 - Councilor Feidl? 02:40:39.980 --> 02:40:40.980 - 7-0 passes. 02:40:40.980 --> 02:40:41.980 - Okay. 02:40:41.980 --> 02:40:42.980 - Next up 10-D. 02:40:42.980 --> 02:40:47.700 - Council I move to open budget 1000-0308 County General Weights and Measures and make the 02:40:47.700 --> 02:40:49.340 - following amendments. 02:40:49.340 --> 02:40:53.700 - Reduce account line 26400 uniforms to zero. 02:40:53.700 --> 02:40:59.900 - Create account line 22218 Clothing and Uniforms and set it to $600. 02:40:59.900 --> 02:41:04.060 - Reduce account line 30025 maintenance to zero. 02:41:04.060 --> 02:41:05.060 - Second. 02:41:05.060 --> 02:41:06.060 - All right. 02:41:06.060 --> 02:41:08.980 - Is there any questions from the council on this item? 02:41:08.980 --> 02:41:11.020 - Yes. 02:41:11.020 --> 02:41:12.020 - Councilor Hock? 02:41:12.020 --> 02:41:18.100 - Well, since Weights and Measures is directly under the commissioners and if the commissioners 02:41:18.100 --> 02:41:23.140 - are saying to make the change, they don't have as much a problem with changing something 02:41:23.140 --> 02:41:27.700 - if you see what I'm saying, there is a difference. 02:41:27.700 --> 02:41:28.700 - Understood. 02:41:28.700 --> 02:41:29.740 - All right. 02:41:29.740 --> 02:41:32.540 - Anybody else that has any questions or comments on this item? 02:41:32.540 --> 02:41:33.540 - All right. 02:41:33.540 --> 02:41:34.540 - Seeing none. 02:41:34.540 --> 02:41:37.580 - May we have a roll call vote. 02:41:37.580 --> 02:41:39.580 - Councilor Feidl? 02:41:39.580 --> 02:41:40.580 - Yes. 02:41:40.580 --> 02:41:41.580 - Councilor Decker? 02:41:41.580 --> 02:41:42.580 - Yes. 02:41:42.580 --> 02:41:43.580 - Councilor Iverson? 02:41:43.580 --> 02:41:44.580 - Yes. 02:41:44.580 --> 02:41:45.580 - Councilor Wilz? 02:41:45.580 --> 02:41:46.580 - Yes. 02:41:46.580 --> 02:41:47.580 - Councilor Crosley? 02:41:47.580 --> 02:41:48.580 - Yes. 02:41:48.580 --> 02:41:49.580 - Councilor Henry? 02:41:49.580 --> 02:41:50.580 - Yes. 02:41:50.580 --> 02:41:51.580 - Councilor Hock? 02:41:51.580 --> 02:41:52.580 - Yes. 02:41:52.580 --> 02:41:53.580 - Motion passes 7-0. 02:41:53.580 --> 02:41:54.580 - Next item. 02:41:54.580 --> 02:42:02.060 - I move to open budget 4005-0000 Convention Center operating and make the following amendments. 02:42:02.060 --> 02:42:08.940 - Reduce account line 30056 contracts to zero, create account line 3006 contractual and set 02:42:08.940 --> 02:42:10.220 - it to $531,300. 02:42:10.220 --> 02:42:11.220 - Second. 02:42:11.220 --> 02:42:12.220 - All right. 02:42:12.220 --> 02:42:17.020 - Council, do we have any questions on this item? 02:42:17.020 --> 02:42:18.020 - Looking to my left. 02:42:18.020 --> 02:42:19.020 - Councilor Wilz? 02:42:19.020 --> 02:42:20.020 - What is this item? 02:42:20.020 --> 02:42:21.020 - What are we doing? 02:42:21.020 --> 02:42:27.540 - We are changing the contractual line. 02:42:27.540 --> 02:42:30.540 - I know what it says. 02:42:30.540 --> 02:42:34.500 - Did we talk about this during budgets? 02:42:34.500 --> 02:42:39.260 - What was talked about during budgets was that the auditor's office along with the council 02:42:39.260 --> 02:42:47.120 - and certain departments were combining and eliminating lines so that we have cleaner 02:42:47.120 --> 02:42:52.420 - budgets so that if we want to print a report with regards to contractual, we're not all 02:42:52.420 --> 02:42:56.020 - over the place trying to figure out where all the contractual lines are. 02:42:56.020 --> 02:42:57.020 - That's great. 02:42:57.020 --> 02:42:58.020 - That's what this is. 02:42:58.020 --> 02:42:59.020 - Yes. 02:42:59.020 --> 02:43:00.020 - That's what I need. 02:43:00.020 --> 02:43:01.020 - Where does this come from? 02:43:01.020 --> 02:43:02.020 - Got it. 02:43:02.020 --> 02:43:03.020 - That's what this is. 02:43:03.020 --> 02:43:07.660 - This portion that we're working on is cleaning up those lines so that when you guys ask for 02:43:07.660 --> 02:43:13.500 - a report, we're only doing one number instead of 10. 02:43:13.500 --> 02:43:14.500 - Any other questions? 02:43:14.500 --> 02:43:19.580 - We have spoken with the convention center and they know that this is happening. 02:43:19.580 --> 02:43:20.580 - Okay. 02:43:20.580 --> 02:43:21.580 - Okay. 02:43:21.580 --> 02:43:22.580 - Thank you for that. 02:43:22.580 --> 02:43:24.940 - Looking to my right and seeing if anybody has any questions. 02:43:24.940 --> 02:43:25.940 - No? 02:43:25.940 --> 02:43:26.940 - All right. 02:43:26.940 --> 02:43:31.340 - Seeing none, can we please have a roll call vote? 02:43:31.340 --> 02:43:32.340 - Councilor Decker? 02:43:32.340 --> 02:43:33.340 - Yes. 02:43:33.340 --> 02:43:34.340 - Councilor Crosley? 02:43:34.340 --> 02:43:35.340 - Yes. 02:43:35.340 --> 02:43:36.340 - Councilor Hawke? 02:43:36.340 --> 02:43:37.340 - Yes. 02:43:37.340 --> 02:43:38.340 - Councilor Wilts? 02:43:38.340 --> 02:43:39.340 - Yes. 02:43:39.340 --> 02:43:40.340 - Councilor Feidl? 02:43:40.340 --> 02:43:41.340 - Yes. 02:43:41.340 --> 02:43:42.340 - Councilor Iverson? 02:43:42.340 --> 02:43:43.340 - Yes. 02:43:43.340 --> 02:43:44.340 - Councilor Henry? 02:43:44.340 --> 02:43:45.340 - Yes. 02:43:45.340 --> 02:43:46.340 - All right. 02:43:46.340 --> 02:43:47.340 - Next item. 02:43:47.340 --> 02:43:48.340 - This is 10f. 02:43:48.340 --> 02:43:54.140 - Council, I move to open budget 1000-0068, county general commissioners, and make the 02:43:54.140 --> 02:43:55.620 - following amendments. 02:43:55.620 --> 02:44:03.660 - Reduce account line 20016, commissioner supplies to zero, and create account line 20001, office 02:44:03.660 --> 02:44:05.860 - supplies, and set it to $3,600. 02:44:05.860 --> 02:44:06.860 - Second. 02:44:06.860 --> 02:44:07.860 - All right. 02:44:07.860 --> 02:44:09.860 - Anything to add to this, Michelle? 02:44:09.860 --> 02:44:15.940 - No, we're the only ones that are using this line, and it's all for office supplies. 02:44:15.940 --> 02:44:17.700 - So we're just making it all uniform. 02:44:17.700 --> 02:44:18.700 - Okay. 02:44:18.700 --> 02:44:19.700 - All right. 02:44:19.700 --> 02:44:22.460 - Any, I'm going to look over here to my right if anybody has any questions. 02:44:22.460 --> 02:44:25.820 - And we talked about this when we met with them to go over their budgets and noted that 02:44:25.820 --> 02:44:29.860 - we wanted to clean some of this up. 02:44:29.860 --> 02:44:31.860 - Any other further discussion on this item? 02:44:31.860 --> 02:44:34.780 - Go on once, go on twice. 02:44:34.780 --> 02:44:35.780 - Okay. 02:44:35.780 --> 02:44:38.060 - May we please have a roll call vote? 02:44:38.060 --> 02:44:39.060 - Councilor Henry? 02:44:39.060 --> 02:44:40.060 - Yes. 02:44:40.060 --> 02:44:41.060 - Councilor Hawk? 02:44:41.060 --> 02:44:42.060 - Yes. 02:44:42.060 --> 02:44:43.060 - Councilor Feidl? 02:44:43.060 --> 02:44:44.060 - Yes. 02:44:44.060 --> 02:44:45.060 - Councilor Wilkes? 02:44:45.060 --> 02:44:46.060 - Yes. 02:44:46.060 --> 02:44:47.060 - Councilor Crosley? 02:44:47.060 --> 02:44:48.060 - Yes. 02:44:48.060 --> 02:44:49.060 - Councilor Iverson? 02:44:49.060 --> 02:44:50.060 - Yes. 02:44:50.060 --> 02:44:51.060 - Councilor Pickard? 02:44:51.060 --> 02:44:52.060 - Yes. 02:44:52.060 --> 02:44:53.060 - Motion passes 7-0. 02:44:53.060 --> 02:44:54.060 - Okay. 02:44:54.060 --> 02:44:55.060 - Next item. 02:44:55.060 --> 02:44:56.060 - This is 10G. 02:44:56.060 --> 02:44:59.380 - Council, I move to open budget 1000-0161 County General County Buildings and make the following 02:44:59.380 --> 02:45:00.380 - amendments. 02:45:00.380 --> 02:45:08.420 - Reduce account line 3004 repairs, equipment/vehicle to zero, and create account line 38010 service 02:45:08.420 --> 02:45:14.820 - maintenance repairs equipment and set it to $1,500 second all right any questions on this item 02:45:14.820 --> 02:45:24.980 - looking to my left seeing none looking to my right seeing none um can we have a please a roll call 02:45:24.980 --> 02:45:25.300 - vote 02:45:25.300 --> 02:45:32.820 - counselor wilts counselor dekert yes counselor fidel yes counselor hawk 02:45:33.540 --> 02:45:40.180 - counselor crossley yes counseling henry counselor iverson yes motion passes seven zero all right 02:45:40.180 --> 02:45:48.420 - next item this is item 10h council i moved to open budget 1138-0000 cumulative capital development 02:45:48.420 --> 02:45:54.260 - and make the following amendments reduce account line 30067 building repair and maintenance to zero 02:45:54.260 --> 02:45:58.660 - and create a count line 38 000 service maintenance repairs building slash grounds 02:45:58.660 --> 02:46:03.860 - and set it to 500 000 dollars second all right any questions counsel on this item 02:46:03.860 --> 02:46:12.500 - looking to my left looking to my right counseling henry what was um what was the last fiscal year 02:46:12.500 --> 02:46:18.180 - appropriate for this one or is it brand new what can you scooch over yeah i mean was this uh 02:46:18.180 --> 02:46:21.540 - what was the previous year's on this or is it sorry is it new 02:46:24.660 --> 02:46:30.580 - i got it and i can see it okay so what was the rationale for the 200 000 increase even 02:46:30.580 --> 02:46:35.380 - if we're moving it does anyone recall it's a lot of trees 02:46:35.380 --> 02:46:47.060 - does anyone have any notes on the 200 000 increase on this item from last year 02:46:47.140 --> 02:46:53.060 - oh 02:46:53.060 --> 02:47:07.060 - it looks like michelle is trying to look up something here so i'll give her a minute 02:47:07.060 --> 02:47:36.980 - I'm happy to take I mean do you need a moment to look because I 02:47:37.220 --> 02:47:38.340 - may have an amendment here 02:47:38.340 --> 02:47:50.180 - apparently there wasn't a discussion regarding any of the count lines 02:47:50.180 --> 02:47:55.460 - and the president i have an amendment for this i'd like to go ahead and reduce down to 02:47:55.460 --> 02:47:59.780 - this line item to three hundred thousand dollars at zero basing it until we can get 02:47:59.780 --> 02:48:05.380 - a future discussion on this appropriation second all right we got a motion and a second 02:48:05.380 --> 02:48:09.940 - to reduce this item to three hundred thousand is there any other further discussion 02:48:09.940 --> 02:48:17.060 - I would just like to say that in general what we're seeing what we're looking at does not 02:48:17.060 --> 02:48:23.140 - tell us what we need to know because we're reducing one line but doesn't say how much 02:48:23.140 --> 02:48:27.620 - it is it's just saying we're reducing it to zero it could have been 500 could have been 100 02:48:28.340 --> 02:48:36.180 - so this is something that hopefully will not do it this way if I may yes that was what was 02:48:36.180 --> 02:48:36.740 - confusing 02:48:36.740 --> 02:48:44.100 - me at first but it seems that these are still just really changing the names of the the lines 02:48:44.100 --> 02:48:50.900 - again that's that was the intent so it's just changing the names the original motion didn't 02:48:50.900 --> 02:48:58.900 - change the amount but counselor Henry is saying yes but last year that amount was two hundred 02:48:58.900 --> 02:49:07.300 - thousand dollars less which is a sharp eye I do think this is the same perhaps line that we just 02:49:07.300 --> 02:49:30.100 - talked about earlier in this meeting and it's not okay okay is it gone yeah okay cool um so we did 02:49:30.100 --> 02:49:34.980 - just do an additional appropriation for this year and that's when I kind of went back and was like 02:49:34.980 --> 02:49:49.380 - okay she did ask for more this year because she needed more this year all right thanks for coming 02:49:49.380 --> 02:49:55.700 - to my TED talk I don't know what the point is either either we reduce it and say come back next 02:49:55.700 --> 02:50:03.700 - year again that's fine yes I'm good with that as as I should yeah my amendment stands I'm not going 02:50:03.700 --> 02:50:08.740 - to speak anymore all right okay so is there any other further discussion on this amendment 02:50:08.740 --> 02:50:19.140 - seeing none all those in favor of um counselor Henry's amendment signify by saying aye 02:50:19.140 --> 02:50:25.380 - aye all those opposed same sign all right motion carries next item oh we need to vote in the 02:50:25.380 --> 02:50:33.060 - underlying please oh yeah that's right okay can we have a roll call vote on that item counselor dekert 02:50:33.060 --> 02:50:40.020 - yes counselor wilts yes counselor hawke yes counselor iverson yes counselor crossley yes 02:50:40.020 --> 02:50:47.300 - counselor henry yes counselor final yes motion passes seven zero next item this is item 10 i 02:50:47.300 --> 02:50:53.940 - council i move to open budget 1000-0106 county general t s d and make the following amendments 02:50:53.940 --> 02:51:01.380 - reduce account line to 1005 repair and maintenance supplies to zero create account lines 20700 02:51:01.380 --> 02:51:06.580 - supplies maintenance repairs equipment and set it to seven thousand dollars second all right we got 02:51:06.580 --> 02:51:14.900 - a motion and a second any questions from council on this item looking to my left and looking to my 02:51:14.900 --> 02:51:26.020 - right none may we please have a roll call vote counselor final yes counselor hawke yes counselor 02:51:26.020 --> 02:51:34.340 - henry yes counselor dekert yes counselor crossley yes counselor iverson yes counselor wilts yes 02:51:34.340 --> 02:51:42.900 - motion passes seven zero okay next item this is item j council i move to open budget 1000-0009 02:51:42.900 --> 02:51:49.860 - county general prosecutor and make the following amendments reduce account line 30025 maintenance 02:51:49.860 --> 02:51:55.860 - and set it to zero create account line 33050 service maintenance repair fleet and set it to 02:51:55.860 --> 02:52:01.540 - three thousand dollars second all right we got a motion and a second is there any questions 02:52:01.540 --> 02:52:07.060 - on council from this item looking to my left seeing none and looking to my right 02:52:08.900 --> 02:52:15.700 - yes counselor is the prosecutor aware of this yes thank you any other questions over here to my 02:52:15.700 --> 02:52:15.940 - right 02:52:15.940 --> 02:52:20.580 - other questions 02:52:20.580 --> 02:52:29.460 - okay are y'all ready because we're about to okay just want to make sure all right we're 02:52:29.460 --> 02:52:36.340 - going to go into a roll call vote please counselor wilts yes counselor henry yes counselor crossley 02:52:36.340 --> 02:52:42.500 - yes counselor fiddle yes counselor dekert yes counselor hawk yes counselor iverson yes 02:52:42.500 --> 02:52:49.860 - motion passes seven zero next item this is item k council i move to open budget 1000-0307 county 02:52:49.860 --> 02:52:55.460 - general fleet and make the following amendments reduce account line 38020 replacement repair to 02:52:55.460 --> 02:53:02.500 - zero and create account line 33050 services maintenance repairs fleet and set it to fifteen 02:53:02.500 --> 02:53:09.300 - thousand dollars all right we got a motion in a second is there any questions on this item 02:53:09.300 --> 02:53:14.740 - looking to my right madam president yes yeah so can we get a look at last year's on this one as 02:53:14.740 --> 02:53:24.500 - well yeah thanks for scooting over okay so plus 16 yeah we reduced slightly anyway okay thank you 02:53:24.500 --> 02:53:28.100 - you're welcome any other clarifying questions and comments over here to the right 02:53:29.860 --> 02:53:35.220 - and to the left councillor wilts i don't know if this is where this should come up but i'm 02:53:35.220 --> 02:53:41.940 - just seeing this repetition of the same kind of repair and maintenance for vehicles 02:53:41.940 --> 02:53:53.140 - in these different departments would it make sense to have like a general rule of x amount per 02:53:53.140 --> 02:54:00.260 - vehicle based on age i mean some little formula and this is what you get and we don't have to 02:54:00.260 --> 02:54:09.860 - think about it i'm tired yes i'm gonna go to council hawk and then i'll go to councillor 02:54:09.860 --> 02:54:15.620 - henry next yes i'd just like to say that in the past i know nobody wants to hear the past 02:54:16.580 --> 02:54:24.180 - but such a question we used to have used to have a fleet committee and the repairs we had a repair 02:54:24.180 --> 02:54:29.460 - shop out the highway department and there was a a very qualified person who could do the repairs 02:54:29.460 --> 02:54:35.140 - on a whole lot of things then they determined that maybe it was not as cost effective and so 02:54:35.140 --> 02:54:43.940 - they pulled it back out of there but all of fleet was under a fleet budget so just thought i'd 02:54:43.940 --> 02:54:44.180 - throw 02:54:44.180 --> 02:54:51.700 - that out there thank you for that councillor henry yeah i would just say it reminds me of 02:54:51.700 --> 02:54:56.900 - the whole travel discussion right it's sort of like the actuals on maintenance on depreciation 02:54:56.900 --> 02:55:01.860 - on vehicles and that could get pretty granular i yeah i hear what you're saying for future like 02:55:01.860 --> 02:55:05.620 - let's make a note for exactly the letter next year but okay yeah 02:55:05.620 --> 02:55:11.940 - let's see if there's any other additional questions or comments on this item 02:55:13.540 --> 02:55:19.940 - all right cnn can we please have a roll call vote councillor henry yes councillor hawke yes 02:55:19.940 --> 02:55:25.140 - councillor crossley yes councillor iverson yes councillor dekker yes councillor phytol 02:55:25.140 --> 02:55:31.940 - councillor wilts yes motion passes seven zero right next item this is item k council i move 02:55:31.940 --> 02:55:36.500 - to open budget 1000 dash zero three zero seven county general fleet to make the following 02:55:36.500 --> 02:55:41.300 - amendments reduce the count line three eight zero two zero replacement repair to zero and create a 02:55:41.300 --> 02:55:45.060 - count line three three zero five zero service maintenance repairs fleet and set it to fifteen 02:55:45.060 --> 02:55:52.180 - thousand dollars second okay any other further discussion on this item looking to my left 02:55:52.180 --> 02:55:59.700 - seeing none and looking to my right seeing none maybe please have a roll call vote 02:55:59.700 --> 02:56:07.540 - councillor hawke yes councillor crossley yes councillor iverson yes councillor dekker 02:56:08.100 --> 02:56:14.020 - yes councillor fiddle yes councillor wilkes yes councillor henry yes motion passes seven zero 02:56:14.020 --> 02:56:20.980 - all right next item this item l council i move to open budget 1000 dash zero two seven one county 02:56:20.980 --> 02:56:25.700 - general public defender and make the following amendments reduce the count line three zero zero 02:56:25.700 --> 02:56:30.820 - zero four repairs equipment vehicle to zero and create a count line three three zero five zero 02:56:30.820 --> 02:56:34.820 - services maintenance repairs dash fleet and set it to one thousand five hundred dollars 02:56:34.820 --> 02:56:43.140 - second all right any questions from the uh on the right over here from council anybody over here to 02:56:43.140 --> 02:56:50.900 - my left all right seeing none may we please have a roll call vote councillor fiddle yes councillor 02:56:50.900 --> 02:56:58.180 - iverson yes councillor dekker yes councillor hawke yes councillor wilkes yes councillor 02:56:58.180 --> 02:57:04.660 - henry yes councillor crossley yes motion passes seven zero all right next item this is item m 02:57:04.660 --> 02:57:11.140 - council i move to open budget 1159 dash 0000 health fund make the following amendments reduce 02:57:11.140 --> 02:57:16.500 - account line three zero zero zero four repairs equipment slash vehicle to zero then create 02:57:16.500 --> 02:57:22.340 - account line three three zero five zero services maintenance repairs dash fleet and set it to one 02:57:22.340 --> 02:57:28.660 - thousand dollars reduce the account line two two two one zero education and public info to zero 02:57:28.660 --> 02:57:34.260 - then create account line two zero zero one two education supplies and set it to two thousand 02:57:34.260 --> 02:57:34.660 - dollars 02:57:34.660 --> 02:57:40.420 - again all right looking over here to my left to see if anybody has any questions 02:57:40.420 --> 02:57:49.860 - no uh looking over here to my right seeing anybody have any questions and seeing none 02:57:49.860 --> 02:57:55.700 - maybe please have a roll call vote councillor iverson yes councillor dekker yes councillor 02:57:55.700 --> 02:58:02.740 - fiddle yes councillor wilts yes councillor henry yes councillor hawke yes councillor crossley yes 02:58:02.740 --> 02:58:09.060 - motion passes seven zero okay thank you next item is item n council i move to open budget eleven 02:58:09.060 --> 02:58:13.700 - sixty eight dash zero zero zero zero local health maintenance and make the following amendments 02:58:13.700 --> 02:58:19.620 - reduce account line two two two one zero education and public info to zero create account line two 02:58:19.620 --> 02:58:27.860 - zero zero one two education supplies and set it to two thousand dollars second okay any questions 02:58:27.860 --> 02:58:36.820 - from council on this item we're here and looking over here and seeing none as well can we have a 02:58:36.820 --> 02:58:42.580 - roll call vote on this item please councillor crossley yes councillor iverson yes councillor 02:58:42.580 --> 02:58:50.260 - dekker yes councillor fiddle yes councillor wilkes yes councillor henry yes councillor hawke yes 02:58:50.260 --> 02:58:55.940 - motion passes seven zero all right next item this item oh council i move to open budget one one one 02:58:55.940 --> 02:59:02.120 - four dash zero one six six lit special purpose ysb and make the following amendment increase 02:59:02.120 --> 02:59:02.500 - account 02:59:02.500 --> 02:59:08.500 - line one eight one zero one fica to one hundred thirty two thousand five hundred sixty two dollars 02:59:08.500 --> 02:59:14.100 - second all right any questions from council on this item yes councillor hawke yes can you 02:59:14.100 --> 02:59:23.540 - whoever i should address this too what is the reason for that do we have additional employees or 02:59:23.540 --> 02:59:32.740 - i can answer that um when the ysb was here they um you guys approved to increase the part-time 02:59:32.740 --> 02:59:40.100 - hourly line to one thousand one hundred and forty nine thousand so that would increase the fica 02:59:40.100 --> 02:59:46.020 - amount so i didn't do that i didn't have time to do it during that process so i'm cleaning that up 02:59:46.020 --> 02:59:50.900 - any other questions on this item 02:59:50.900 --> 02:59:56.980 - looking to my left all right can we please have a roll call vote 02:59:57.620 --> 03:00:03.940 - councillor flytle yes councillor wilts yes councillor henry councillor hawke yes councillor 03:00:03.940 --> 03:00:10.260 - crossley yes councillor iverson yes councillor decker yes motion passes seven zero all right next 03:00:10.260 --> 03:00:17.620 - item uh this is item p council i move to open budget 1000 dash 0002 county general auditor 03:00:17.620 --> 03:00:24.180 - and make the following amendments increase account line three zero zero zero six contractual 03:00:24.180 --> 03:00:31.700 - from zero to ten thousand dollars i get okay yes councillor hawke i believe this is we took it to 03:00:31.700 --> 03:00:39.920 - zero because we were moving it over to the platform or is that right uh but then when i spoke with 03:00:39.920 --> 03:00:40.260 - uh 03:00:40.260 --> 03:00:48.260 - the auditor she suggested she would like to have some dollars left in that line item so i want to 03:00:48.260 --> 03:00:56.020 - give the auditor a chance to respond yes um this just allows us a little bit more wiggle room um so 03:00:56.020 --> 03:01:02.660 - we have a couple lines um in in the threes in the services category in the general fund and takes 03:01:02.660 --> 03:01:08.100 - a tiny bit of pressure off auditors and eligible as you know moving all of almost all of the 03:01:08.100 --> 03:01:14.660 - contractual um 240 000 now over to auditors and eligible is going to put a strain on that fund 03:01:14.660 --> 03:01:20.900 - so it's just going to have to be back in the general fund for 2027 all right any other questions 03:01:20.900 --> 03:01:30.500 - on this side related to this item anybody over here to the left seeing nine may we please have 03:01:30.500 --> 03:01:37.940 - a roll call vote councilor wilts yes councilor henry yes councilor hawke yes councilor crossley 03:01:38.580 --> 03:01:45.060 - councilor iverson yes councilor dekert yes councilor fiddle yes motion passes seven zero 03:01:45.060 --> 03:01:52.980 - okay next item this is item q council i move to open budget 12 16 dash zero zero zero zero 03:01:52.980 --> 03:01:58.260 - auditor ineligible deductions and make the following amendments reduce a lap count line 03:01:58.260 --> 03:02:04.900 - three zero zero zero six contractual to 240 000 reduce the count line three zero zero two eight 03:02:04.900 --> 03:02:10.180 - training travel to four thousand dollars reduce account line two zero zero zero one office supplies 03:02:10.180 --> 03:02:16.420 - to four thousand dollars and reduce account line two zero zero three printing copy supplies to ten 03:02:16.420 --> 03:02:25.700 - thousand dollars okay we got a motion in a second is there any further discussion from council on 03:02:25.700 --> 03:02:34.020 - this item looking to my left seeing none looking to my right oh and then i look up and i see the 03:02:34.020 --> 03:02:39.380 - auditor has her hand up yes just a quick note and apology i was ill the night that um i was 03:02:39.380 --> 03:02:39.620 - supposed 03:02:39.620 --> 03:02:44.420 - to present this and this is what i plan to do live so thank you for entertaining um my 03:02:44.420 --> 03:02:45.060 - recommendations 03:02:45.060 --> 03:02:55.460 - welcome feeling better all right seeing no other further questions um may we please have a roll 03:02:55.460 --> 03:03:03.860 - call vote councillor hawke yes councillor crossley yes councillor iverson yes councillor henry yes 03:03:03.860 --> 03:03:09.860 - councillor dekert yes councillor final yes councillor wilts yes motion passes seven zero 03:03:09.860 --> 03:03:17.380 - okay and that looks like that concludes the amendments from the council office staff um 03:03:17.380 --> 03:03:23.380 - so appreciate that now we get into the business here and i'm gonna look to councillor iverson 03:03:23.380 --> 03:03:33.700 - council i move to open uh budget 11159-0000 health and make the following amendments 03:03:33.700 --> 03:03:51.140 - i move to set the following lines to zero 10104 10105 10109 10110 101 i'm sorry can you go back and 03:03:51.140 --> 03:03:58.260 - go slow down sorry thank you good job you didn't change the screen yeah all right so 03:03:58.260 --> 03:04:06.900 - let me slow down my motion i'm so sorry yes okay so i'm going to restart my motion 03:04:06.900 --> 03:04:19.540 - council i move to open fund 1159-0000 health and to make the following amendments 03:04:20.420 --> 03:04:23.620 - set line 10104 03:04:23.620 --> 03:04:39.380 - to zero line 10105 to zero 10109 to zero 10110 to zero 03:04:40.500 --> 03:04:59.300 - these are all going to zero 10111 10116 10117 10118 10122 03:04:59.300 --> 03:05:09.380 - just so you know 10118 is already at zero that's that's true excuse me yep yep 10122 03:05:09.700 --> 03:05:20.740 - one zero one two three one zero one four one one zero one seven seven one zero one seven nine 03:05:20.740 --> 03:05:30.660 - one zero one eight zero and finally one zero one eight one 03:05:30.660 --> 03:05:38.420 - second okay we got a motion and a second and a hand raised councilor everything 03:05:38.420 --> 03:05:49.060 - my rationale for this motion is that as we have discussed when we moved these from 1161 03:05:49.060 --> 03:05:57.700 - i talked with the health board as well as our health administrator and sought advice 03:05:57.700 --> 03:06:04.500 - on what we should do here we are in a tricky spot we can either leave these here 03:06:06.500 --> 03:06:17.380 - and not be asking for legal status or we can move them back and be forcing our staff to be 03:06:17.380 --> 03:06:22.740 - asking for legal status but at the same time saving a lot of money this is a very difficult 03:06:22.740 --> 03:06:27.300 - decision this is probably one of the most difficult ones we'll be facing this fiscal year 03:06:27.300 --> 03:06:36.340 - my intention as i'm concluding madam president is if this is adopted is to immediately open up 03:06:36.340 --> 03:06:42.900 - 1161 and to put those positions back in there i want to be very clear with this 03:06:42.900 --> 03:06:50.820 - in everything that we are doing with these budgets we are trying very hard to not make 03:06:50.820 --> 03:06:58.500 - any changes in personnel i think one of the underlying factors of our difficult decisions 03:06:59.140 --> 03:07:07.620 - is not making a balanced budget on the backs of our employees and so i want to be able to 03:07:07.620 --> 03:07:13.540 - to make it clear that as soon as this action is done we will then put the positions back 03:07:13.540 --> 03:07:21.780 - instead of eliminating them okay councillor henry thank you madam president i concur with my 03:07:21.780 --> 03:07:28.260 - colleague uh councillor iverson um and i just maybe as a point of clarification so 10109 03:07:28.260 --> 03:07:35.460 - as i see it in the budget spreadsheet i have does not have a line item in hfi is that we'd have to 03:07:35.460 --> 03:07:46.420 - create that account line in hfi to catch that position i have an older copy in front of me i 03:07:46.420 --> 03:07:51.620 - just want to make sure i got it no it is not in hfi so we will have to create that account line 03:07:51.620 --> 03:07:56.420 - item when we move it that particular one but i concur with the commentary this is not to say 03:07:56.420 --> 03:08:00.580 - that the community that we are moving away from supporting everyone in our community regardless 03:08:00.580 --> 03:08:04.900 - of status as they catch a disease or need assistance we're just going to have to come up 03:08:04.900 --> 03:08:10.020 - with some real conversations between county legal and the auditor's office the board of health and 03:08:10.020 --> 03:08:14.580 - this body to to get the minerov county answer to this problem that's been created by the state so 03:08:14.580 --> 03:08:22.580 - thank you councillor iverson for the initial amendments yes councillor hawke yes i know this 03:08:22.580 --> 03:08:32.180 - was difficult for you to present but it would be more difficult if it didn't happen so but i also 03:08:32.180 --> 03:08:41.540 - wondered are you if council staff is keeping track of what the you know all of the benefit would be 03:08:41.540 --> 03:08:46.740 - all the different changes there and what about where where is the insurance 03:08:49.700 --> 03:08:55.460 - now the self-insurance is in this fund okay so you would want to move out whatever the portion 03:08:55.460 --> 03:09:04.100 - is into the other fund as well as the bike on the perv okay all i need to do is if you give me a 03:09:04.100 --> 03:09:04.260 - few 03:09:04.260 --> 03:09:11.540 - minutes i can make those adjustments we have to take a break or i can come back however you want 03:09:11.540 --> 03:09:18.740 - to do it yes i we had a meeting with the state and i don't believe that fund can support 03:09:18.740 --> 03:09:22.420 - self-insurance and that's why the entirety of the self-insurance is in this fund now 03:09:22.420 --> 03:09:30.980 - what and tell me why the state says they can't have it i don't understand what you're saying 03:09:30.980 --> 03:09:35.780 - they won't cover any insurance at all or is it because we're self-insured 03:09:35.780 --> 03:09:42.340 - this seems like miss lori kelly is going to be able to speak to this 03:09:45.300 --> 03:09:50.420 - okay i'm going to try to remember but we ran into some issues when we first transitioned into 03:09:50.420 --> 03:09:50.580 - health 03:09:50.580 --> 03:09:57.620 - first indiana with new positions and vacancies and how it was still pulling the the insurance 03:09:57.620 --> 03:10:04.660 - and so that's why we ended up moving everything over into 1159 yes i can clarify even just a touch 03:10:04.660 --> 03:10:11.780 - further um so the county's procedure is we budget per position so regardless of if the position is 03:10:11.780 --> 03:10:17.140 - filled or not we pull all of that funding over into our self-insurance fund so health first indiana 03:10:17.140 --> 03:10:23.700 - found that problematic as we had positions budgeted that weren't filled but we were still 03:10:23.700 --> 03:10:29.380 - counting on that funding to and we were pulling that funding so we had to switch gears and budget 03:10:29.380 --> 03:10:36.660 - it elsewhere does that make sense okay but but let's think about this a little further why don't 03:10:36.660 --> 03:10:43.860 - we just move whatever positions that are filled over there and as we make changes we can make 03:10:43.860 --> 03:10:50.100 - changes there let us not take money from county general what we're trying to save because we've 03:10:50.100 --> 03:10:56.500 - got some kind of hiccup let's just make it work you can make that work right we're open to ideas 03:10:56.500 --> 03:11:02.020 - it was a fix at the time because we were meeting with the state and they told us no right but you're 03:11:02.020 --> 03:11:08.740 - just saying because they don't want to cover vacant slots so that's fine with me let's just 03:11:08.740 --> 03:11:17.940 - cover the ones that are filled so to further consider this we can't predict if a spot is 03:11:17.940 --> 03:11:23.300 - going to become vacant throughout the year and we're pulling the money regardless so it's going 03:11:23.300 --> 03:11:31.060 - to be a lot of flexibility and a lot of back and forth if we choose to do it that way and that is 03:11:31.060 --> 03:11:40.500 - your choice obviously however it was problematic well it's council Henry so so I can maybe get my 03:11:40.500 --> 03:11:47.140 - head around it so is it are we hearing that if we remove the salaries from uh whatever we're at 03:11:47.140 --> 03:11:54.500 - we're 1161 and a return sorry 1159 and we returned to 1161 there's a possibility that the self-insurance 03:11:54.500 --> 03:12:02.820 - would remain in this fund only well I just don't understand it yeah only the self-insurance and 03:12:02.820 --> 03:12:10.390 - that's what we had done just to um as a workaround for state requirements um they wanted to 03:12:10.390 --> 03:12:11.220 - actually 03:12:11.220 --> 03:12:16.100 - they wanted the county to demonstrate and I think employee services was in the meeting as well now 03:12:16.100 --> 03:12:22.180 - that I'm recalling more and more of this but they wanted us to demonstrate that the um the 03:12:22.180 --> 03:12:26.820 - portion of insurance went toward the specific employees that were budgeted in that fund which 03:12:26.820 --> 03:12:31.460 - immediately we were thinking HIPAA violations and all kinds of other things so we just didn't know 03:12:31.460 --> 03:12:38.740 - how to provide that documentation they didn't have um they weren't able to really explain to 03:12:38.740 --> 03:12:44.740 - us how we could provide that or how others are doing that either they just said that we must 03:12:44.740 --> 03:12:50.020 - somehow yeah so perfect being the enemy of the good here I mean counselor Iverson's admirable 03:12:50.020 --> 03:12:56.580 - amendment just uh is an 801 thousand dollar movement of money out of general fund and hfi 03:12:56.580 --> 03:13:03.540 - if it left behind 378 to get 801 I'm okay right now and so we figured this out um but that's it 03:13:03.540 --> 03:13:14.740 - madam president thank you all right help us out here any other questions or comments hearing from 03:13:14.740 --> 03:13:24.100 - the peanut gallery gallery over here all right anybody is late yes counselor waltz I do think 03:13:24.100 --> 03:13:34.340 - that we should put a little bit of effort into making this less messy because I mean I understand 03:13:34.340 --> 03:13:42.260 - their concerns but we just heard from apex that lots of counties do it your way so clearly 03:13:43.540 --> 03:13:49.140 - there are other counties doing this do they all just get their money in a different fund for the 03:13:49.140 --> 03:13:57.780 - insurance maybe if I may um this conversation was gosh I think well over a year ago um and so I'm 03:13:57.780 --> 03:14:03.540 - not remembering you know complete verbatim however I think it's worth revisiting um I mean the 03:14:03.540 --> 03:14:03.860 - funding 03:14:03.860 --> 03:14:11.400 - was very new at that point and um and the guidance was new so just following up and seeing if 03:14:11.400 --> 03:14:11.620 - anything 03:14:11.620 --> 03:14:14.580 - has changed or if they have better recommendations is worthwhile 03:14:14.580 --> 03:14:20.020 - any other further discussion on this 03:14:20.020 --> 03:14:27.780 - yes what's what's the merit of just moving the self-fund the self-insurance now and just taking 03:14:27.780 --> 03:14:32.340 - the I guess the gamble that we have to pull it back later can we just move that now 03:14:32.340 --> 03:14:39.220 - what would happen walk me through it like if we move to 378 right now what would 03:14:39.860 --> 03:14:45.860 - the the actual impact be 03:14:45.860 --> 03:14:54.900 - in the state did specifically express their discomforts and um they they didn't want us 03:14:54.900 --> 03:14:58.980 - to budget the self-insurance they are given we couldn't provide documentation that the funding 03:14:58.980 --> 03:15:04.180 - we were pulling from that fund for insurance was going toward the core services 03:15:05.700 --> 03:15:10.740 - yes and i think again it was a long time ago so just trying to kind of remember some of this and 03:15:10.740 --> 03:15:17.220 - i think one of the themes was i mean every single dollar of health first indiana is supposed to be 03:15:17.220 --> 03:15:23.220 - directly aligned to providing one of the core services so that's kind of comes in our reporting 03:15:23.220 --> 03:15:30.900 - with what core services where has that money gone and is it actually being spent on them i go to 03:15:30.900 --> 03:15:37.380 - counselor decker because he had his hand up next i i did agree with counselor henry on it in that 03:15:37.380 --> 03:15:41.700 - we're heading that way towards the door trying to figure it out roughly we cannot be the only 03:15:41.700 --> 03:15:48.660 - county that's discovered we've got a horse that has no saddle um and we all the time we end up 03:15:48.660 --> 03:15:53.460 - in here cleaning up messes all night i mean literally the meeting before this we figured 03:15:53.460 --> 03:15:59.540 - out things about self-insurance we figured out things about repair supplies all sorts of things 03:15:59.540 --> 03:16:06.180 - and and we can always come in here and start that adjustment process if necessary so i would tend 03:16:06.180 --> 03:16:06.500 - to 03:16:06.500 --> 03:16:11.540 - to agree with that i don't know the motion to make to do that but i'd love to see that done 03:16:11.540 --> 03:16:21.060 - him was coming up with a number yeah and i think she was need in a minute a horse with no saddle 03:16:21.060 --> 03:16:26.180 - sounds like a america song but i know it's not it's called a horse with no name they played in 03:16:26.180 --> 03:16:33.220 - brown county i know yeah just a little here in the late night hour all right and so 03:16:33.220 --> 03:16:40.660 - miss we were giving michelle an opportunity to take a moment to figure out this number here 03:16:40.660 --> 03:16:52.100 - okay so if i counted this several times moving all of those positions to zero that leaves three 03:16:52.100 --> 03:17:02.420 - positions in this fund which is environmental health so it's 113 and 114 and then there is an 03:17:02.420 --> 03:17:09.860 - administrative assistant which is 11 002 so that leaves three employees in this fund so three 03:17:09.860 --> 03:17:17.300 - employees for the health insurance then is 54 000 hold on i'm gonna put that in here 03:17:21.380 --> 03:17:31.460 - and then getting rid of those positions then would change the FICA amount to 03:17:31.460 --> 03:17:41.620 - two so that would be the new totals with regards to 03:17:41.620 --> 03:17:50.580 - 54 000 for the self-insurance for the three lowering the FICA to 12 572 03:17:50.580 --> 03:18:00.980 - it would but i haven't made it that far yet yes counselor iverson madam president i seek the 03:18:00.980 --> 03:18:11.220 - council's consent to amend my agenda to include the adjusted FICA amounts second okay no i just 03:18:11.220 --> 03:18:19.460 - ask for perf and insurance too just give me one moment i mean i'm not sure i'd like to 03:18:19.460 --> 03:18:23.860 - hear the sound of my own voice so i'm carry on 03:18:23.860 --> 03:18:38.740 - i i will also seek council's consent for uh the um uh let's see for the perf as well as the 03:18:38.740 --> 03:18:45.060 - self-insurance but it's that's still being calculated so yes 03:18:45.060 --> 03:18:50.660 - yes 03:18:50.660 --> 03:18:54.660 - 20 865 03:18:54.660 --> 03:19:14.340 - is there any other further discussion on this motion was there a second 03:19:14.340 --> 03:19:17.940 - yeah 03:19:17.940 --> 03:19:26.900 - well if you didn't have one i'll give you one pardon did you get it yeah yeah okay 03:19:26.900 --> 03:19:35.860 - so do last call for any other final question comment on this item 03:19:35.860 --> 03:19:41.940 - i think she's working on that okay i'm waiting until you guys approve the amendment 03:19:42.900 --> 03:19:44.860 - Then I'll pick everything. 03:19:44.860 --> 03:19:47.580 - So we are approving the amendment 03:19:47.580 --> 03:19:49.700 - and then I will look to Michelle 03:19:49.700 --> 03:19:52.300 - and then we will look for the final grand total here 03:19:52.300 --> 03:19:54.180 - and she'll give it to us in a second. 03:19:54.180 --> 03:19:57.820 - So I'm just, can we please have a roll call 03:19:57.820 --> 03:19:59.460 - going on the amendment, please? 03:19:59.460 --> 03:20:02.580 - Councilor Wilz? - Yes. 03:20:02.580 --> 03:20:04.380 - Councilor Hawk? - Yes. 03:20:04.380 --> 03:20:05.940 - Councilor Iverson? - Yes. 03:20:05.940 --> 03:20:07.420 - Councilor Crosley? - Yes. 03:20:07.420 --> 03:20:08.660 - Councilor Feitel? - Yes. 03:20:08.660 --> 03:20:09.980 - Councilor Deckard? - Yes. 03:20:09.980 --> 03:20:11.180 - Councilor Henry? - Yes. 03:20:11.180 --> 03:20:13.220 - Motion passes seven zero. 03:20:13.220 --> 03:20:15.460 - Okay, and then this is the part 03:20:15.460 --> 03:20:17.460 - where we wait for Michelle to come up 03:20:17.460 --> 03:20:19.660 - with the new grand total. 03:20:19.660 --> 03:20:36.820 - New grand total for the personnel is 507,553. 03:20:36.820 --> 03:20:41.820 - Which puts the budget bottom line amount at 1,640,271. 03:20:41.820 --> 03:20:56.460 - Yes, Councilor Hawk? 03:20:56.460 --> 03:20:59.460 - Yes, and wanted to check with the auditor 03:20:59.460 --> 03:21:04.300 - to make sure that we keep it within the dollar amount 03:21:04.300 --> 03:21:07.020 - that we have to have to meet the match. 03:21:07.020 --> 03:21:11.380 - I can find that amount in my email, 03:21:11.380 --> 03:21:13.980 - but it's significantly lower than the past couple of years 03:21:13.980 --> 03:21:15.180 - and we're well within it. 03:21:15.180 --> 03:21:18.460 - I think it's around $200,000. 03:21:18.460 --> 03:21:20.620 - I thought we were having to make up the difference 03:21:20.620 --> 03:21:23.940 - this year, but it looks like we might be doing that. 03:21:23.940 --> 03:21:28.580 - Could you clarify what you mean, make up the difference? 03:21:28.580 --> 03:21:32.100 - I thought we were somewhere like a half million dollars 03:21:32.100 --> 03:21:34.100 - short on our tax levy. 03:21:34.100 --> 03:21:40.780 - When we were looking at all those tax levies, 03:21:40.780 --> 03:21:43.620 - we were gonna have to bump the health fund, 03:21:43.620 --> 03:21:46.500 - the 1159 in order to meet. 03:21:46.500 --> 03:21:50.700 - But nevermind, if that's not what you're remembering, 03:21:50.700 --> 03:21:52.440 - then surely you remember. 03:21:52.440 --> 03:21:56.220 - Yeah, that's not anything I'm recalling, but-- 03:21:56.220 --> 03:21:58.220 - Where's Jeff McKim when I need him? 03:22:00.220 --> 03:22:03.500 - There was something, because we ran short. 03:22:03.500 --> 03:22:06.860 - We were using like past numbers that we had entered 03:22:06.860 --> 03:22:10.440 - in order, because we had to pay so much to-- 03:22:10.440 --> 03:22:11.280 - Okay, now you know what I'm talking about. 03:22:11.280 --> 03:22:13.340 - I think I know what you're saying. 03:22:13.340 --> 03:22:17.860 - We had previously, if you will, overfunded the health fund. 03:22:17.860 --> 03:22:21.060 - So the levy was already included. 03:22:21.060 --> 03:22:24.700 - So we're not making up for past funding. 03:22:24.700 --> 03:22:27.120 - We're just staying current with what is needed. 03:22:27.120 --> 03:22:28.820 - I just wanted you to look at the numbers 03:22:28.820 --> 03:22:29.660 - and say we're okay. 03:22:29.660 --> 03:22:30.500 - We are okay. 03:22:30.500 --> 03:22:35.980 - Okay, now that we got all the okays out, 03:22:35.980 --> 03:22:40.900 - we need to have a roll call vote. 03:22:40.900 --> 03:22:43.900 - Councilor Hock. - Yes. 03:22:43.900 --> 03:22:45.700 - Councilor Crosley. - Yes. 03:22:45.700 --> 03:22:47.220 - Councilor Iverson. - Yes. 03:22:47.220 --> 03:22:48.780 - Councilor Decker. - Yes. 03:22:48.780 --> 03:22:50.380 - Councilor Feidl. - Yes. 03:22:50.380 --> 03:22:51.780 - Councilor Wilts. - Yes. 03:22:51.780 --> 03:22:53.660 - Councilor Henry. - Yes. 03:22:53.660 --> 03:22:55.860 - Motion passes seven zero. 03:22:55.860 --> 03:22:57.060 - Councilor Iverson. 03:22:57.060 --> 03:23:02.060 - Council, I move to open budget 1161-0000, 03:23:02.060 --> 03:23:06.380 - local public health services, 03:23:06.380 --> 03:23:08.820 - and make the following amendments 03:23:08.820 --> 03:23:13.820 - to increase in the corresponding decreases 03:23:13.820 --> 03:23:18.620 - in this budget that we just did with 1159, 03:23:18.620 --> 03:23:23.340 - including FICA, PERF, and self-insurance. 03:23:23.340 --> 03:23:24.500 - Second. 03:23:24.500 --> 03:23:26.980 - We got a motion and a second on that. 03:23:26.980 --> 03:23:32.620 - And Councilor Henry. 03:23:32.620 --> 03:23:33.460 - Thank you, Madam President. 03:23:33.460 --> 03:23:35.180 - So I think this is where we need a amendment 03:23:35.180 --> 03:23:38.860 - to create a line in a 10109 03:23:38.860 --> 03:23:42.140 - to catch the environmental health specialist. 03:23:42.140 --> 03:23:44.060 - Would the sponsor entertain an amendment 03:23:44.060 --> 03:23:47.340 - to add the account line 10109 03:23:47.340 --> 03:23:51.020 - and the appropriate dollar amount 03:23:51.020 --> 03:23:53.760 - from 1159 to that line item? 03:23:54.600 --> 03:23:58.960 - Yes, as well as entertaining the FICA, PERF, 03:23:58.960 --> 03:24:00.460 - and the self-insurance. 03:24:00.460 --> 03:24:01.300 - Thank you, yes. 03:24:01.300 --> 03:24:07.040 - Okay, so we have that. 03:24:07.040 --> 03:24:11.340 - And so, yeah, we need a second for the amendment. 03:24:11.340 --> 03:24:16.000 - Okay, we got a motion and a second on the amendment. 03:24:16.000 --> 03:24:18.440 - Is there any other further discussion on this? 03:24:18.440 --> 03:24:22.020 - No, Councilor Welts. 03:24:22.060 --> 03:24:25.700 - Okay, I just want to, 03:24:25.700 --> 03:24:29.880 - maybe it's telling me something, 03:24:29.880 --> 03:24:33.860 - but I just, I don't know. 03:24:33.860 --> 03:24:37.460 - I just wanna reiterate, you know, I've said in the past 03:24:37.460 --> 03:24:42.460 - that I was 100% on board for moving these positions 03:24:42.460 --> 03:24:45.260 - the opposite direction. 03:24:45.260 --> 03:24:49.620 - And this sort of thing, I mean, 03:24:49.620 --> 03:24:52.860 - we've been given no choice, really. 03:24:52.860 --> 03:24:57.860 - We, and it's, I'm sure not the first or last time tonight 03:24:57.860 --> 03:25:03.300 - that we are in a position because of things 03:25:03.300 --> 03:25:06.100 - that the state legislature has put in place. 03:25:06.100 --> 03:25:11.100 - And we are reacting in order to salvage local county services 03:25:15.260 --> 03:25:20.260 - in a way that preserves, I think, the maximum good 03:25:20.260 --> 03:25:22.540 - that we can offer. 03:25:22.540 --> 03:25:27.540 - And so I just want, you know, to go on record 03:25:27.540 --> 03:25:32.820 - with as soon as we, as soon as the session starts next time, 03:25:32.820 --> 03:25:37.180 - I would encourage anyone and everyone 03:25:37.180 --> 03:25:42.180 - to lobby legislators to make some changes 03:25:44.500 --> 03:25:49.500 - about this restriction on the Health First Indiana. 03:25:49.500 --> 03:25:52.140 - That's all. 03:25:52.140 --> 03:25:52.980 - Thank you. 03:25:52.980 --> 03:25:58.940 - I'm sorry to interrupt, but account line 101-1-1 03:25:58.940 --> 03:26:02.620 - does not exist in this fund. 03:26:02.620 --> 03:26:04.740 - And we need to add that number as well. 03:26:04.740 --> 03:26:10.820 - Council, I move that we add account line 1-0-1-1-1. 03:26:10.820 --> 03:26:14.020 - What is the title of that? 03:26:14.020 --> 03:26:16.540 - Environmental Health Specialist General. 03:26:16.540 --> 03:26:18.740 - Environmental Health Specialist General. 03:26:18.740 --> 03:26:25.540 - Okay, we got a motion and a second 03:26:25.540 --> 03:26:27.660 - to add that account line. 03:26:27.660 --> 03:26:31.260 - Is there any other further discussion on that? 03:26:31.260 --> 03:26:34.660 - All right. 03:26:34.660 --> 03:26:37.580 - Right. 03:26:37.580 --> 03:26:42.300 - So all those in favor of amending 03:26:42.300 --> 03:26:45.900 - to add the new account line, signify by saying aye. 03:26:45.900 --> 03:26:46.740 - Aye. - Aye. 03:26:46.740 --> 03:26:48.300 - All those opposed, same sign. 03:26:48.300 --> 03:26:51.260 - Okay, motion carries. 03:26:51.260 --> 03:26:54.340 - Now we come back to the overall amendment here. 03:26:54.340 --> 03:26:57.740 - David's. - Yes. 03:26:57.740 --> 03:26:58.580 - Yep. 03:26:58.580 --> 03:27:04.860 - Okay, all right. 03:27:04.860 --> 03:27:09.780 - All those in favor of Council Henry's amendment, 03:27:09.780 --> 03:27:11.980 - signify by saying aye. 03:27:11.980 --> 03:27:12.820 - Aye. - Aye. 03:27:12.820 --> 03:27:14.380 - All those opposed, same sign. 03:27:14.380 --> 03:27:17.940 - All right, motion carries. 03:27:17.940 --> 03:27:22.540 - Now we come back to the overall underline motion here. 03:27:22.540 --> 03:27:27.700 - I just wanna say, since Councilor Wilts had said it, 03:27:27.700 --> 03:27:29.340 - it's really, it kind of ticks me off 03:27:29.340 --> 03:27:31.540 - that we're sitting here having to go back and forth 03:27:31.540 --> 03:27:35.140 - and playing this kind of game. 03:27:35.140 --> 03:27:38.460 - We obviously know that disease knows no boundaries, 03:27:38.460 --> 03:27:41.260 - no citizenship status, no birthright status, 03:27:41.260 --> 03:27:44.340 - none of the above, and so it really kind of ticks me off 03:27:44.340 --> 03:27:46.940 - that we're sitting here, and I have other words to say, 03:27:46.940 --> 03:27:50.220 - but I'm gonna use PG-13 because I'm sure my kids 03:27:50.220 --> 03:27:53.460 - somewhere are sitting here watching it, probably not. 03:27:53.460 --> 03:27:57.380 - But that being said, I just, I'm frustrated, 03:27:57.380 --> 03:28:01.180 - and this is nothing bad to the health department, 03:28:01.180 --> 03:28:04.340 - and they tried, they tried really hard 03:28:04.340 --> 03:28:08.540 - to move things back, and this is the unfortunate, 03:28:08.540 --> 03:28:12.860 - craptastic way of SB1, and this is where elections 03:28:12.860 --> 03:28:16.060 - has consequences, this is the part where we knew 03:28:16.060 --> 03:28:17.820 - at the beginning of the year, all this crap 03:28:17.820 --> 03:28:19.900 - that was flying through the state house, 03:28:19.900 --> 03:28:23.100 - this is where we are, this is the mass casualty 03:28:23.100 --> 03:28:27.080 - of ineffectiveness of government, period. 03:28:27.080 --> 03:28:31.020 - And so what I would like to say is to the health department, 03:28:31.020 --> 03:28:33.780 - I wish that there was some way, shape, or form, 03:28:33.780 --> 03:28:37.060 - that we can try to work together, and we can try to see 03:28:37.060 --> 03:28:39.860 - where we can have, I know Ms. Kelly had said earlier 03:28:39.860 --> 03:28:43.060 - when I asked the question of how we can see 03:28:43.060 --> 03:28:46.580 - if we can work with other partners and community members, 03:28:46.580 --> 03:28:50.100 - and I really truly hope that we truly can, 03:28:50.100 --> 03:28:51.940 - because it just really pisses me off 03:28:51.940 --> 03:28:54.100 - that we're sitting here in this moment, 03:28:54.100 --> 03:28:57.460 - trying to figure out how to rob here and pay Paul, 03:28:57.460 --> 03:29:01.460 - and this is the mass casualty, and as a public commenter 03:29:01.460 --> 03:29:05.100 - mentioned earlier, that this is a tough job, 03:29:05.100 --> 03:29:06.860 - it makes me sick to my stomach 03:29:06.860 --> 03:29:09.580 - that we're sitting here having this conversation, 03:29:09.580 --> 03:29:11.660 - so what I would like to say is heck yeah, 03:29:11.660 --> 03:29:13.260 - we should be lobbying those folks. 03:29:13.260 --> 03:29:17.100 - We even got a doggone lobby for SB1 03:29:17.100 --> 03:29:19.140 - where it relates to our justice center, 03:29:19.140 --> 03:29:21.900 - and we should definitely damn well lobby folks 03:29:21.900 --> 03:29:23.860 - in the state house for this stuff too. 03:29:23.860 --> 03:29:28.160 - I'm sorry, I mean, we worried about language here, 03:29:28.160 --> 03:29:31.540 - but we should be seeing what is happening to people 03:29:31.540 --> 03:29:33.020 - and what we are doing here. 03:29:33.020 --> 03:29:35.540 - So excuse me, sorry, not sorry. 03:29:35.540 --> 03:29:39.620 - So that being said, without further discussion, 03:29:39.620 --> 03:29:44.200 - now we can have a roll call vote on this overall motion. 03:29:44.200 --> 03:29:46.980 - Council Henry. 03:29:46.980 --> 03:29:49.100 - Councilor Hawke. 03:29:49.100 --> 03:29:49.940 - Yes. 03:29:49.940 --> 03:29:51.020 - Councilor Wills. 03:29:51.020 --> 03:29:51.860 - Yes. 03:29:51.860 --> 03:29:53.120 - Councilor Iverson. 03:29:53.120 --> 03:29:53.960 - Yes. 03:29:53.960 --> 03:29:54.800 - Councilor Decker. 03:29:54.800 --> 03:29:55.620 - Yes. 03:29:55.620 --> 03:29:56.460 - Councilor Feidl. 03:29:56.460 --> 03:29:57.300 - Yes. 03:29:57.300 --> 03:29:58.140 - Councilor Crosley. 03:29:58.140 --> 03:29:58.980 - Yes. 03:29:58.980 --> 03:30:00.300 - Motion passes seven zero. 03:30:01.300 --> 03:30:04.220 - (faintly speaking) 03:30:04.220 --> 03:30:05.780 - All right, I got one more. 03:30:05.780 --> 03:30:06.620 - Go ahead. 03:30:06.620 --> 03:30:12.900 - Council, I move to open budget 1000-0061 County Council 03:30:12.900 --> 03:30:22.380 - and amend line 33032BEDC to... 03:30:22.380 --> 03:30:26.140 - I don't have the number in front of me. 03:30:26.140 --> 03:30:26.980 - Crap, sorry. 03:30:26.980 --> 03:30:29.900 - (faintly speaking) 03:30:29.900 --> 03:30:33.420 - Going back to the original amount. 03:30:33.420 --> 03:30:34.260 - Yes. 03:30:34.260 --> 03:30:36.080 - 35,750. 03:30:36.080 --> 03:30:38.420 - $35,750. 03:30:38.420 --> 03:30:40.560 - Second. 03:30:40.560 --> 03:30:43.300 - All right, we got a motion and a second 03:30:43.300 --> 03:30:46.980 - to put that line item back. 03:30:46.980 --> 03:30:49.460 - Is there any other further discussion? 03:30:49.460 --> 03:30:53.960 - Looking to my left and looking to my right. 03:30:55.460 --> 03:30:58.820 - Okay, are you going to, you're just doing 35,000 03:30:58.820 --> 03:31:01.200 - and not include the dues? 03:31:01.200 --> 03:31:05.460 - My motion was to go-- 03:31:05.460 --> 03:31:06.500 - That's what I missed, yeah. 03:31:06.500 --> 03:31:09.840 - Yeah, yeah, no, no, it was to include the dues as well. 03:31:09.840 --> 03:31:12.540 - Yeah. 03:31:12.540 --> 03:31:14.460 - I thought that was the original amount. 03:31:14.460 --> 03:31:16.580 - Original amount is 35,750. 03:31:16.580 --> 03:31:17.420 - That was-- 03:31:17.420 --> 03:31:18.380 - Which includes the dues. 03:31:18.380 --> 03:31:19.220 - Right. 03:31:19.220 --> 03:31:20.740 - That was the intent of the motion. 03:31:20.740 --> 03:31:21.580 - Okay. 03:31:21.580 --> 03:31:32.100 - I thought I saw Councilor Henry's hand up. 03:31:32.100 --> 03:31:33.060 - Yeah, I just, thank you. 03:31:33.060 --> 03:31:35.980 - And I want to be clear for public record. 03:31:35.980 --> 03:31:40.020 - We took, this was proposed, we took it down, 03:31:40.020 --> 03:31:42.100 - now it's back up, but would the sponsor 03:31:42.100 --> 03:31:43.820 - or others like to speak to, 03:31:43.820 --> 03:31:44.820 - just so we get it on the record, 03:31:44.820 --> 03:31:46.980 - why we're boomeranging back-- 03:31:46.980 --> 03:31:47.820 - I have some things to say, if now is the time. 03:31:47.820 --> 03:31:49.060 - Yeah, well, I just wanted to make sure 03:31:49.060 --> 03:31:50.980 - Madam President had caught that maybe. 03:31:50.980 --> 03:31:52.580 - Yes, oh yeah. 03:31:52.580 --> 03:31:53.900 - Yes, yes, Councilor. 03:31:53.900 --> 03:31:56.340 - So I have a list, do you want the list? 03:31:56.340 --> 03:31:57.300 - The floor is yours. 03:31:57.300 --> 03:31:59.540 - Okay, it's not color coded, but it's a list. 03:31:59.540 --> 03:32:00.660 - Okay, go ahead. 03:32:00.660 --> 03:32:06.100 - So since 2020, BEDC has been a part 03:32:06.100 --> 03:32:11.100 - of $1 billion in capital and 900 new jobs around here. 03:32:11.100 --> 03:32:14.540 - And 11 of those were BEDC supported. 03:32:14.540 --> 03:32:16.380 - The industries have been life sciences, 03:32:16.380 --> 03:32:19.040 - advanced manufacturing, defense, technology, 03:32:19.040 --> 03:32:21.180 - and higher education. 03:32:21.180 --> 03:32:24.580 - As you know, the working age population has been down. 03:32:24.580 --> 03:32:29.420 - 21, it's expected to go down between 2020 and 2050. 03:32:29.420 --> 03:32:34.260 - Another 4.4% to 2144 less. 03:32:34.260 --> 03:32:38.740 - The specific projects that they worked on in 2024, 03:32:38.740 --> 03:32:42.380 - Nova Nordisk was 16 and a half billion. 03:32:42.380 --> 03:32:46.060 - Catalint, SEMTRA was purchased, 03:32:46.060 --> 03:32:49.840 - they purchased the former GE site in July of 2025. 03:32:49.840 --> 03:32:53.580 - And then there was a, between '21 and '23, 03:32:53.580 --> 03:32:56.540 - there was a $290 million investment. 03:32:56.540 --> 03:33:01.540 - And '24 and '25, there was a $539 million investment. 03:33:01.540 --> 03:33:06.680 - And 130 new jobs in 2024 with an average salary of $73,000. 03:33:06.680 --> 03:33:13.620 - Phoenix was a $55 million since 2021. 03:33:14.180 --> 03:33:19.180 - Envoy, Bloomington was selected as their US headquarters 03:33:19.180 --> 03:33:23.140 - in May of 2025. 03:33:23.140 --> 03:33:28.140 - The Forge Trade District, there have been 350,000 square feet 03:33:28.140 --> 03:33:36.240 - under roof for sites, as well as 1,000 acres of Greenfield 03:33:36.240 --> 03:33:38.800 - and 200 acres in the city. 03:33:38.800 --> 03:33:44.020 - Oliver Winery had 12.6 million by the end of 2026. 03:33:44.020 --> 03:33:49.020 - Catalan had 10 million plus another 340 million. 03:33:49.020 --> 03:33:54.380 - Phoenix had 20.25 million in 2021. 03:33:54.380 --> 03:33:58.060 - Baxter, 35 million plus 5 million in '21. 03:33:58.060 --> 03:34:03.060 - Ernest Health, 18.4 million, which included, 03:34:03.060 --> 03:34:06.300 - which became the Bloomington Rehab in 2020, 03:34:06.300 --> 03:34:09.100 - as well as 1.3 million in 2020. 03:34:09.100 --> 03:34:13.980 - Formerly Hall Signs, and I'm not sure how to pronounce it, 03:34:13.980 --> 03:34:15.820 - it's either Provelie, or Pro-ve-lee, 03:34:15.820 --> 03:34:19.500 - or some pronunciation of P-r-o-v-e-l-i, 03:34:19.500 --> 03:34:24.300 - two million in 2020, excuse me, 03:34:24.300 --> 03:34:27.220 - as well as 1.8 million in 2020. 03:34:27.220 --> 03:34:32.220 - Keehee was 35 million in 2020 and 388,000 square feet, 03:34:32.220 --> 03:34:36.980 - and 7.6 million in 2020. 03:34:36.980 --> 03:34:40.980 - And Tasses was 904 million in 2020. 03:34:40.980 --> 03:34:45.980 - Now these are all things that create income, 03:34:45.980 --> 03:34:50.220 - as you can see from the jobs listed here for our community. 03:34:50.220 --> 03:34:52.460 - They pay taxes, they buy homes, 03:34:52.460 --> 03:34:54.820 - and I'm a very big supporter of having jobs 03:34:54.820 --> 03:34:57.520 - in this community, so that's why I wanna bring it back. 03:34:57.520 --> 03:35:00.500 - And I think BEDC does a wonderful job of that here. 03:35:00.500 --> 03:35:03.380 - I've been involved with them for a very long time 03:35:03.380 --> 03:35:06.140 - in various capacities, and I fully support that. 03:35:08.780 --> 03:35:11.820 - I just wanna update the council, and I'm sorry. 03:35:11.820 --> 03:35:15.220 - The dues did raise for the BEDC, 03:35:15.220 --> 03:35:18.220 - so the amount really needs to be 35,925. 03:35:18.220 --> 03:35:24.340 - Council, I seek unanimous consent to make that change. 03:35:24.340 --> 03:35:31.060 - No objection. 03:35:31.060 --> 03:35:36.260 - All right, yes, Councilor Hauk. 03:35:36.260 --> 03:35:39.180 - Yes, first of all, what will we do 03:35:39.180 --> 03:35:41.820 - if we weren't growing our job base here? 03:35:41.820 --> 03:35:46.820 - Because now that we have, the states made it clear, 03:35:46.820 --> 03:35:51.740 - we have to rely on that income tax for us to survive. 03:35:51.740 --> 03:35:54.980 - And without that income tax, without these good jobs, 03:35:54.980 --> 03:35:56.380 - we would not have it. 03:35:56.380 --> 03:35:59.820 - Now, let's be very clear, that means that the people, 03:35:59.820 --> 03:36:04.820 - they hire, hopefully, that the zoning and planning 03:36:05.180 --> 03:36:08.740 - and other issues will allow the folks 03:36:08.740 --> 03:36:11.420 - to build a house here, to live here. 03:36:11.420 --> 03:36:15.220 - But I just wanted to follow up on that. 03:36:15.220 --> 03:36:17.620 - I know there'll be a lot to be said about that, 03:36:17.620 --> 03:36:20.300 - but I wanted to be very clear about something else. 03:36:20.300 --> 03:36:25.020 - For years, we had an economic development staff person 03:36:25.020 --> 03:36:27.060 - that worked in the commissioner's office. 03:36:27.060 --> 03:36:30.100 - And we, yeah, right, we did. 03:36:30.100 --> 03:36:32.300 - And we no longer have that. 03:36:32.300 --> 03:36:36.860 - And we rely on others to do this job 03:36:36.860 --> 03:36:39.360 - that Monroe County government used to do 03:36:39.360 --> 03:36:43.200 - when it was Jane Marie and Joyce Poole and the others. 03:36:43.200 --> 03:36:47.740 - So I just wanted to make it clear, 03:36:47.740 --> 03:36:50.060 - this is not something different. 03:36:50.060 --> 03:36:53.420 - This is a lot less money than what it would be 03:36:53.420 --> 03:36:56.380 - to provide a whole separate department. 03:36:59.980 --> 03:37:04.300 - Okay, any other further discussion on this item? 03:37:04.300 --> 03:37:17.820 - Okay, I'll just, I'll say it, 03:37:17.820 --> 03:37:22.260 - because I think I might be the lone ranger on this one. 03:37:22.260 --> 03:37:24.900 - And that's okay, 'cause we all don't have to agree. 03:37:24.900 --> 03:37:29.820 - Again, we just went through a hard conversation 03:37:29.820 --> 03:37:32.500 - with our health department, and it sucked. 03:37:32.500 --> 03:37:36.940 - It sucked really bad to sit there and have that conversation. 03:37:36.940 --> 03:37:39.380 - And we've been talking time and time and time again 03:37:39.380 --> 03:37:43.620 - of trying to figure out how we are going 03:37:43.620 --> 03:37:44.780 - to do all the things. 03:37:44.780 --> 03:37:46.580 - And I know this might be just one little drop 03:37:46.580 --> 03:37:51.580 - in the bucket, but again, I understand, 03:37:51.580 --> 03:37:54.780 - like we have our dues, and I understand 03:37:54.780 --> 03:37:57.700 - that we had talked about this last week 03:37:57.700 --> 03:38:00.940 - during budget session that the intent was 03:38:00.940 --> 03:38:03.220 - to have the abatement come through 03:38:03.220 --> 03:38:07.140 - and have that go towards the BEDC. 03:38:07.140 --> 03:38:10.760 - I understand that that also is not coming into effect, 03:38:10.760 --> 03:38:15.840 - but for maybe about another year or so. 03:38:15.840 --> 03:38:20.420 - But it just makes me feel like, this is not, 03:38:20.420 --> 03:38:22.380 - again, this is one of the casualties 03:38:22.380 --> 03:38:25.580 - in all of this budget conversation. 03:38:25.580 --> 03:38:30.580 - And I personally am in favor of what we did last week 03:38:30.580 --> 03:38:34.980 - where we were just paying the dues. 03:38:34.980 --> 03:38:39.140 - So if I'm the lone ranger on this one, 03:38:39.140 --> 03:38:42.780 - again, this is no shade, no disrespect to BEDC, 03:38:42.780 --> 03:38:45.500 - and I understand all the work and things that they've done, 03:38:45.500 --> 03:38:48.500 - but I just, I feel some kind of way right now with that. 03:38:48.500 --> 03:38:53.140 - And yeah, I don't know if I could support that. 03:38:53.140 --> 03:38:55.880 - So that's all I have to say on that. 03:38:55.880 --> 03:38:59.340 - All right, yes, Councilor Decker. 03:38:59.340 --> 03:39:02.500 - Yeah, I carried the compromise last week 03:39:02.500 --> 03:39:04.140 - on this and another item. 03:39:04.140 --> 03:39:05.900 - I'm happy to hear people come in 03:39:05.900 --> 03:39:09.280 - and make the case for this, 03:39:09.280 --> 03:39:14.220 - but I am gonna remain a no vote on this, 03:39:14.220 --> 03:39:15.480 - although I seconded it. 03:39:15.480 --> 03:39:17.820 - And the reason I'm gonna be until I see the final 03:39:17.820 --> 03:39:20.220 - kind of outcome on where the budget is, 03:39:20.220 --> 03:39:22.820 - and then I might switch if this would not prevail, 03:39:22.820 --> 03:39:26.560 - but for now, this and the other line that I moved, 03:39:26.560 --> 03:39:28.400 - I'm just monitoring that, 03:39:28.400 --> 03:39:31.060 - trying to get us to the hard answers here. 03:39:31.060 --> 03:39:34.940 - And so until I see that kind of come out, 03:39:34.940 --> 03:39:39.940 - I'm gonna kind of hold off and be a no on this for once. 03:39:39.940 --> 03:39:44.380 - Councilor Williams. 03:39:44.380 --> 03:39:46.860 - So if we don't pass this, 03:39:46.860 --> 03:39:51.140 - the amount that is budgeted right now 03:39:51.140 --> 03:39:55.080 - is the 15, the compromise number. 03:39:55.080 --> 03:40:00.080 - And yeah, I just have to say I agree with Councilor Crossley 03:40:00.080 --> 03:40:07.460 - and I have championed support for BEDC 03:40:07.460 --> 03:40:10.780 - and I will continue to do that. 03:40:10.780 --> 03:40:15.780 - I like the idea of taking a look at some of these items 03:40:15.780 --> 03:40:19.320 - that we're making cuts to. 03:40:20.120 --> 03:40:24.880 - Like maybe let's target May. 03:40:24.880 --> 03:40:28.780 - Take a look at 'em and see if we can bring some stuff back. 03:40:28.780 --> 03:40:33.480 - I think we'll know a lot more in May, hopefully. 03:40:33.480 --> 03:40:36.520 - Good stuff, thanks. 03:40:36.520 --> 03:40:39.300 - All right, any other questions 03:40:39.300 --> 03:40:40.760 - or discussions on this item? 03:40:40.760 --> 03:40:42.080 - I have a point of inquiry. 03:40:42.080 --> 03:40:43.080 - Yes. 03:40:43.080 --> 03:40:46.680 - So if this would, if it passes, it goes to 35, 03:40:46.680 --> 03:40:49.640 - if it fails, it sits at the compromise 15 03:40:49.640 --> 03:40:52.240 - and then we could always come back, right? 03:40:52.240 --> 03:40:54.920 - Okay, all right, thank you. 03:40:54.920 --> 03:40:55.760 - Okay. 03:40:55.760 --> 03:41:01.180 - But wait a minute, doesn't that number increase a little 03:41:01.180 --> 03:41:04.360 - since the dues you mentioned are different? 03:41:04.360 --> 03:41:09.880 - Yeah, I mean, you amended without no objection, 03:41:09.880 --> 03:41:13.000 - so that new amount is 35,925, it's right there. 03:41:13.000 --> 03:41:14.560 - Okay, all right, got it. 03:41:15.960 --> 03:41:19.680 - Okay, so without any other further discussion, 03:41:19.680 --> 03:41:22.720 - can we please-- 03:41:22.720 --> 03:41:24.320 - Remind us what we're voting on. 03:41:24.320 --> 03:41:30.240 - The overall, we didn't have an amendment, 03:41:30.240 --> 03:41:31.080 - did we have an amendment? 03:41:31.080 --> 03:41:34.240 - We didn't vote on the 35,925, so that's-- 03:41:34.240 --> 03:41:35.760 - There was a no objections. 03:41:35.760 --> 03:41:38.520 - Right, so this is the overall conversation. 03:41:38.520 --> 03:41:41.440 - Yes, so this is the overall conversation 03:41:41.440 --> 03:41:44.280 - of the no objection for the new amount. 03:41:44.280 --> 03:41:49.280 - 35,925, so can we please have a roll? 03:41:49.280 --> 03:41:52.440 - Councilor Decker. 03:41:52.440 --> 03:41:55.680 - Councilor Feidl. 03:41:55.680 --> 03:41:56.720 - Yes. 03:41:56.720 --> 03:41:58.280 - Councilor Henry. 03:41:58.280 --> 03:41:59.400 - No. 03:41:59.400 --> 03:42:00.360 - Councilor Iverson. 03:42:00.360 --> 03:42:01.200 - Yes. 03:42:01.200 --> 03:42:03.960 - Councilor Wilts. 03:42:03.960 --> 03:42:05.120 - No. 03:42:05.120 --> 03:42:06.360 - Councilor Crosley. 03:42:06.360 --> 03:42:07.360 - No. 03:42:07.360 --> 03:42:08.720 - Councilor Hauk. 03:42:08.720 --> 03:42:09.560 - Yes. 03:42:09.560 --> 03:42:14.120 - Motion carries, four three. 03:42:14.120 --> 03:42:15.440 - Councilor May, motion fails, four three. 03:42:15.440 --> 03:42:18.120 - Big part, beg your pardon, motion fails, four three. 03:42:18.120 --> 03:42:23.120 - Okay, all right, thank you for that. 03:42:23.120 --> 03:42:27.280 - Any other motion? 03:42:27.280 --> 03:42:34.280 - Does any other council member have any other motions? 03:42:34.280 --> 03:42:42.400 - I do, so I'm gonna go to the commissioners, 03:42:42.440 --> 03:42:45.480 - I'm gonna go to the commissioners' budget. 03:42:45.480 --> 03:42:50.480 - So council, I move to reopen the commissioners' budget, 03:42:50.480 --> 03:42:56.800 - the county general. 03:42:56.800 --> 03:43:01.800 - So for line item 1000-0068, county commissioner general, 03:43:01.800 --> 03:43:12.040 - I would like to move that line item 1000-0068, 03:43:12.080 --> 03:43:17.080 - item 33029, historical record preservation, 03:43:17.080 --> 03:43:20.120 - reduced from 10,000 to zero. 03:43:20.120 --> 03:43:27.120 - And I would also like to reduce line item 30028, 03:43:27.120 --> 03:43:34.440 - train and travel, from 5,000 to 1,000. 03:43:34.440 --> 03:43:37.360 - Second. 03:43:40.800 --> 03:43:45.800 - Point of order, I think line 33029 03:43:45.800 --> 03:43:48.480 - is indeed historical record preservation, 03:43:48.480 --> 03:43:51.840 - but 33028 is not training and travel, 03:43:51.840 --> 03:43:55.640 - 30028 is training and travel. 03:43:55.640 --> 03:43:56.480 - Correct. 03:43:56.480 --> 03:43:57.640 - Hold on a second. 03:43:57.640 --> 03:43:59.640 - It's okay. 03:43:59.640 --> 03:44:00.460 - Oh, okay. 03:44:00.460 --> 03:44:01.300 - I just wanna make sure for the-- 03:44:01.300 --> 03:44:03.160 - Okay, okay, sorry, I thought I said that. 03:44:03.160 --> 03:44:04.000 - Okay. 03:44:04.000 --> 03:44:05.160 - Both are zeros now? 03:44:05.160 --> 03:44:06.120 - I mean, in-- 03:44:06.120 --> 03:44:09.040 - So train and travel is reduced to 1,000. 03:44:10.400 --> 03:44:11.960 - Madam President, point of information too. 03:44:11.960 --> 03:44:16.960 - So now we're moving into opening up different accounts. 03:44:16.960 --> 03:44:19.920 - If I had one to add to this particular, 03:44:19.920 --> 03:44:21.480 - like the Commissioner's budget, 03:44:21.480 --> 03:44:23.360 - would you prefer that to be a separate amendment 03:44:23.360 --> 03:44:25.120 - or to be added on in discussion? 03:44:25.120 --> 03:44:25.940 - Added on. 03:44:25.940 --> 03:44:27.040 - Okay. - Yeah. 03:44:27.040 --> 03:44:29.400 - So Madam President, I have an addition. 03:44:29.400 --> 03:44:30.960 - So for the Commissioner's, 03:44:30.960 --> 03:44:37.360 - Commissioner's line 1000-0068 supplies category, 23569. 03:44:39.880 --> 03:44:40.720 - Say that again? 03:44:40.720 --> 03:44:45.720 - Yeah, for the supplies category, 23569, America 250. 03:44:45.720 --> 03:44:47.880 - Oh, okay. 03:44:47.880 --> 03:44:49.400 - Yeah, I have two items here. 03:44:49.400 --> 03:44:53.600 - First is to amend the name of the account to Civic Events, 03:44:53.600 --> 03:44:58.600 - and then secondly, to reduce the amount from 30,000 to 1,500. 03:44:58.600 --> 03:45:03.160 - Can you repeat the title? 03:45:03.160 --> 03:45:05.160 - America 250. 03:45:05.160 --> 03:45:06.720 - To Civic Events? 03:45:06.720 --> 03:45:09.120 - To Civic Events. 03:45:09.120 --> 03:45:09.960 - Okay. 03:45:09.960 --> 03:45:12.760 - And reducing the total from 30,000 to 1,500. 03:45:12.760 --> 03:45:15.880 - Second. 03:45:15.880 --> 03:45:17.400 - Happy to explain my motion. 03:45:17.400 --> 03:45:22.400 - Okay, and so I'll take a stab at it first 03:45:22.400 --> 03:45:24.160 - and then I'll pass it over to you. 03:45:24.160 --> 03:45:28.800 - So I had a conversation with Ms. Purdy earlier today 03:45:28.800 --> 03:45:31.200 - to see because it looks like 03:45:31.200 --> 03:45:34.120 - for the historical record preservation, 03:45:34.120 --> 03:45:37.480 - that line item was not used at all last year. 03:45:38.320 --> 03:45:41.800 - And so that was at a zero. 03:45:41.800 --> 03:45:46.280 - And so she was okay with doing that. 03:45:46.280 --> 03:45:48.680 - And then the training and travel, 03:45:48.680 --> 03:45:52.440 - if we look at that line item, 03:45:52.440 --> 03:45:57.440 - there's nothing that has been spent in that item for 2025. 03:45:57.440 --> 03:45:58.800 - Am I right? 03:45:58.800 --> 03:46:00.920 - Okay, okay. 03:46:00.920 --> 03:46:03.280 - So because training and travel again 03:46:03.280 --> 03:46:05.640 - has been a topic of conversation, 03:46:06.720 --> 03:46:11.200 - that is something that I've wanted to reduce. 03:46:11.200 --> 03:46:13.720 - And again, if folks are going somewhere, 03:46:13.720 --> 03:46:16.560 - then we can always come back. 03:46:16.560 --> 03:46:21.320 - But again, I had that conversation with her earlier today 03:46:21.320 --> 03:46:23.800 - and she seemed to be fine with doing so. 03:46:23.800 --> 03:46:28.800 - So that is my reasoning for my motions. 03:46:28.800 --> 03:46:30.320 - Councilor Henry. 03:46:30.320 --> 03:46:32.040 - Madam President, to the rationale 03:46:32.040 --> 03:46:36.680 - for my recommendation here is that, 03:46:36.680 --> 03:46:39.240 - this is a golden opportunity for the commissioners 03:46:39.240 --> 03:46:40.840 - to seek out a blue-ribbon committee 03:46:40.840 --> 03:46:44.160 - to round up our partners like BEDC and the Chamber 03:46:44.160 --> 03:46:46.120 - and others to really engage in a way 03:46:46.120 --> 03:46:48.880 - to celebrate the 250th anniversary of the country 03:46:48.880 --> 03:46:52.000 - as a public-private whole community activity. 03:46:52.000 --> 03:46:54.600 - Secondly, the reason why I set it at 1,500 03:46:54.600 --> 03:46:57.040 - is that $500 is the amount that it costs 03:46:57.040 --> 03:46:59.200 - to rent the courthouse after hours. 03:46:59.200 --> 03:47:01.600 - And so when we think about the lighting of the square, 03:47:01.600 --> 03:47:04.480 - the swearing in of officers in January 03:47:04.480 --> 03:47:07.520 - and presumably opening the building for the bathrooms 03:47:07.520 --> 03:47:11.480 - for this event, it seems that 500 a pop seems about right 03:47:11.480 --> 03:47:13.720 - to me based on what we had rent to the public. 03:47:13.720 --> 03:47:16.920 - So it's setting a number and encouraging the commissioners 03:47:16.920 --> 03:47:18.880 - to come back with additional appropriations 03:47:18.880 --> 03:47:22.140 - and hopefully some sort of blue-ribbon activity 03:47:22.140 --> 03:47:24.220 - to really plan for that event. 03:47:24.220 --> 03:47:26.240 - That's it. 03:47:26.240 --> 03:47:27.540 - Great, thank you. 03:47:27.540 --> 03:47:29.520 - Any other questions? 03:47:29.520 --> 03:47:31.160 - Yes, Councilor Hopp. 03:47:31.160 --> 03:47:33.880 - Are we just in general still going up and down asking 03:47:33.880 --> 03:47:35.760 - are we just, are we? 03:47:35.760 --> 03:47:40.060 - Yeah, so this is on my two items 03:47:40.060 --> 03:47:42.400 - and then Councilor Henry's item 03:47:42.400 --> 03:47:44.080 - for the commissioners budget. 03:47:44.080 --> 03:47:46.600 - I just wondered if anybody looked at the dues. 03:47:46.600 --> 03:47:57.360 - I was, I didn't know whether it was appropriate time. 03:47:57.360 --> 03:47:58.800 - Yeah, go ahead, this is. 03:47:58.800 --> 03:48:01.040 - Well, I just wondered when I'm looking at the dues, 03:48:01.040 --> 03:48:06.040 - 15,500 and I don't know what that entails. 03:48:06.040 --> 03:48:12.080 - Maybe, I mean, I don't think they even go 03:48:12.080 --> 03:48:14.080 - to the AIC meetings, do they? 03:48:14.080 --> 03:48:17.180 - I've not noticed. 03:48:17.180 --> 03:48:23.460 - So I'm wondering what the 15,500 is. 03:48:26.400 --> 03:48:31.400 - Well, if according to this, this is a January, 03:48:31.400 --> 03:48:34.680 - or January, June 30th total right here, 03:48:34.680 --> 03:48:39.680 - they spent $12,190 and that was as of June 30th 03:48:39.680 --> 03:48:43.580 - in that particular line for dues. 03:48:55.560 --> 03:48:57.920 - Ms. Purdy is online, so I don't know 03:48:57.920 --> 03:49:02.920 - if she wanted to speak to that. 03:49:02.920 --> 03:49:08.440 - So if she was able to maybe unmute and talk about the dues, 03:49:08.440 --> 03:49:13.000 - which is line item 30005. 03:49:25.500 --> 03:49:26.720 - Yes, oh, sorry. 03:49:26.720 --> 03:49:28.360 - We have the ledger pulled up if you want us 03:49:28.360 --> 03:49:30.500 - to read some of the vendor names. 03:49:30.500 --> 03:49:31.960 - That's what I was trying to do. 03:49:31.960 --> 03:49:35.840 - It looks like it's National Association of Counties, 03:49:35.840 --> 03:49:39.800 - Association of Counties, Indiana County Commissioners, 03:49:39.800 --> 03:49:44.080 - Exchange Club of Northside, Ellitsville Chamber of Commerce, 03:49:44.080 --> 03:49:48.740 - Greater Bloomington, I assume that's Chamber of Commerce, 03:49:48.740 --> 03:49:49.820 - but it's cut off. 03:49:49.820 --> 03:49:54.700 - Okay, all right. 03:49:55.520 --> 03:49:56.760 - Yeah. 03:49:56.760 --> 03:49:59.960 - So does that answer your question, Councilor Hauk? 03:49:59.960 --> 03:50:03.120 - As I don't know what the criteria is 03:50:03.120 --> 03:50:05.240 - for the different clubs, I mean-- 03:50:05.240 --> 03:50:06.480 - Yeah. 03:50:06.480 --> 03:50:10.760 - Exchange Club, I don't know, whatever. 03:50:10.760 --> 03:50:11.600 - Yeah. 03:50:11.600 --> 03:50:18.240 - All right, does anybody else have any questions 03:50:18.240 --> 03:50:22.080 - or comments on the motions? 03:50:22.220 --> 03:50:23.060 - Okay. 03:50:23.060 --> 03:50:32.220 - Seeing none, may we please have a roll call vote? 03:50:32.220 --> 03:50:34.420 - Councilor Feidl? 03:50:34.420 --> 03:50:38.220 - I apologize, could somebody tell me 03:50:38.220 --> 03:50:40.340 - what we're really voting on here? 03:50:40.340 --> 03:50:45.340 - You're voting on the amendments for account line 23569, 03:50:45.340 --> 03:50:50.480 - changing the title to Civic Events, 03:50:50.480 --> 03:51:04.730 - lower it to $1,500. The next one then is training travel, reducing it down to $1,000. The then 03:51:04.730 --> 03:51:11.480 - historical record preservation, reducing it down to zero. I'll vote yes. 03:51:11.480 --> 03:51:20.500 - Yes. Councilor Wilz. Yes. Councilor Henry. Yes. Councilor Hawk. Yes. Councilor Crossley. Yes. 03:51:20.500 --> 03:51:29.640 - Councilor Iverson. Yes. Councilor Decker. Yes. Motion passes seven zero. Okay. And look into other 03:51:29.640 --> 03:51:35.480 - council members to see if anybody else has any other amendments. Yes. Councilor Henry. 03:51:35.480 --> 03:51:42.060 - Thank you. I'd like to return to our health budget. I caught me off guard when we moved away from 03:51:42.060 --> 03:51:53.480 - it. In fund 1159 in the supplies category, line 26997 COVID supplies. 03:51:53.480 --> 03:51:55.480 - One moment please. 03:51:55.480 --> 03:52:09.840 - That's right. And we may Kelly being here to get some further clarity on this one. Are you there. 03:52:09.840 --> 03:52:14.480 - Yes. All right. In the code of supply line of 746574 to reduce to $1. 03:52:14.480 --> 03:52:28.480 - Are you now. 03:52:28.480 --> 03:52:31.480 - Second. 03:52:31.480 --> 03:52:38.410 - All right, we got a motion and a second. Any discussion on this, Madam President, Miss Kelly, Lori, 03:52:38.410 --> 03:52:43.480 - are you, are you able to come up and answer a question about the coven supply line. 03:52:43.480 --> 03:52:50.480 - We're into it right now. Do you mind. 03:52:50.480 --> 03:52:57.910 - So I'm taking a look at the supply line item. Can you walk us through the 746574 for coven supplies 03:52:57.910 --> 03:53:05.590 - we have the letter you provided from ID OH regarding the what this money was and what we're doing 03:53:05.590 --> 03:53:06.480 - with it. 03:53:06.480 --> 03:53:11.970 - So I've recommended setting it to $1 and so we can actually determine and this is my rationale. If 03:53:11.970 --> 03:53:17.010 - this is something that needs to be reimbursed to the county for the activities we used county 03:53:17.010 --> 03:53:19.480 - dollars for during the pandemic. 03:53:19.480 --> 03:53:25.560 - So, if we used county rainy day fund if we used any county dollars if this is a truly reimbursement 03:53:25.560 --> 03:53:28.480 - of our county activities that we now have. 03:53:28.480 --> 03:53:32.880 - We're interpreting this is, we probably need to find those reimbursement lines first before we know 03:53:32.880 --> 03:53:36.930 - how much is in residual to work on current health projects can you help me understand this line 03:53:36.930 --> 03:53:40.480 - item I know it was the last minute over the past month. 03:53:40.480 --> 03:53:43.480 - Discovery in addition. Sure. 03:53:43.480 --> 03:53:50.650 - And again I think this kind of started pre predates me so I'm just trying to kind of go off of 03:53:50.650 --> 03:53:56.480 - information as I came into the decision and kind of looked into it but 03:53:56.480 --> 03:54:03.320 - one point I think is challenging, I think that the money that was grant funds were coming in to 03:54:03.320 --> 03:54:08.480 - support the covert efforts and the covert vaccination clinics. 03:54:08.480 --> 03:54:15.490 - So, could the county have used rainy day funds. I have no idea. My understanding is grant funding 03:54:15.490 --> 03:54:20.480 - was coming in. That was being used to support those efforts. 03:54:20.480 --> 03:54:26.480 - As this goes from my understanding and again the letter. 03:54:26.480 --> 03:54:36.180 - The state was helping to provide a program to be able to bill for insurance to then come back to 03:54:36.180 --> 03:54:39.480 - the local health departments. 03:54:39.480 --> 03:54:43.670 - Because in the letter, I just so we have it I mean it says, please note that we have sent collected 03:54:43.670 --> 03:54:47.650 - amount of less than a $3 billion feet offset the cost of our contract only claims are paid or 03:54:47.650 --> 03:54:48.480 - dispersed. 03:54:48.480 --> 03:54:57.130 - It later says that the first be used for expenses directly related to public health activities, 03:54:57.130 --> 03:55:00.480 - including offsetting local expenses related to covert 19. 03:55:00.480 --> 03:55:06.060 - So I think the reason why I want to pull this back is I think we need to do some forensics to 03:55:06.060 --> 03:55:11.900 - figure out what those were in those two years and then if that is a funding stream we can move back 03:55:11.900 --> 03:55:18.880 - to rainy day later or, or, or first, whatever's left is I think what you've, you may have 03:55:18.880 --> 03:55:22.750 - identified things for this money but I don't think we can really have this in our budget yet so we've 03:55:22.750 --> 03:55:27.750 - really audited out what what this reimbursements were it's a very specific number to it's not like, 03:55:27.750 --> 03:55:29.480 - here's a million dollars use it at will, it seems like it is really. 03:55:29.480 --> 03:55:33.480 - It seems like it is reimbursement for something is that a fair understanding. 03:55:33.480 --> 03:55:40.000 - Yeah, my understanding is for vaccine administration and so I think there's been other buckets 03:55:40.000 --> 03:55:45.520 - of money again that kind of fell under this and some of that was given through to IU health, 03:55:45.520 --> 03:55:49.940 - like a large chunk of money and some of it through the university for these clinics. 03:55:49.940 --> 03:55:54.760 - So I think differentiating some of these pockets of money to and one of my first questions 03:55:54.760 --> 03:56:02.400 - coming into the position is, is there a contract somewhere that says where remember where funds 03:56:02.400 --> 03:56:07.920 - are supposed to be dispersed into who, and there was, there was nothing for that I guess 03:56:07.920 --> 03:56:12.480 - I offer to my fellow counselors my why I'm making them and I think it's been made clear. 03:56:12.480 --> 03:56:16.600 - We need to figure out what this is before we start allocating it for the fiscal. 03:56:16.600 --> 03:56:17.600 - Okay. 03:56:17.600 --> 03:56:18.600 - Yes, counselor. 03:56:18.600 --> 03:56:19.600 - Right. 03:56:19.600 --> 03:56:23.920 - I think I've spoken with the auditor's office about this, saying that I thought that we 03:56:23.920 --> 03:56:30.600 - need to see a clear understanding of when the dollars came in what went out and so forth 03:56:30.600 --> 03:56:37.720 - of, you know, $750,000 is just sitting there in a line saying reimbursement didn't didn't 03:56:37.720 --> 03:56:41.360 - give us any idea of what was really going on. 03:56:41.360 --> 03:56:50.580 - And so if it was just something that was sitting out there and somebody suddenly saw here $750,000. 03:56:50.580 --> 03:56:56.000 - But not only that, the letter that came with directions or suggestions, it really wasn't 03:56:56.000 --> 03:56:57.000 - a direction. 03:56:57.000 --> 03:57:05.880 - This kind of more like a suggestion about how to use it was sent out January of 2022. 03:57:05.880 --> 03:57:09.200 - So you know, by somebody who's no longer there. 03:57:09.200 --> 03:57:14.680 - And everything has changed since that time, everything. 03:57:14.680 --> 03:57:21.760 - So we want to make sure that we're doing what we really need to do with $750,000. 03:57:21.760 --> 03:57:27.600 - We may need it desperately for making sure we make payroll or whatever, but I just don't 03:57:27.600 --> 03:57:33.360 - think it helps one thing to budget it, appropriate it because once you've got that appropriation 03:57:33.360 --> 03:57:36.960 - in there, we can't, you know, it's already gone. 03:57:36.960 --> 03:57:46.220 - So keep get the appropriation out and $1 if you want to leave something there until we've 03:57:46.220 --> 03:57:49.040 - done some homework on it. 03:57:49.040 --> 03:57:50.040 - Okay. 03:57:50.040 --> 03:57:55.520 - Are there any other questions or comments related to this item? 03:57:55.520 --> 03:58:08.000 - Seeing none, again, we just have one overall motion here. 03:58:08.000 --> 03:58:09.960 - So can we have a roll call vote? 03:58:09.960 --> 03:58:14.800 - This is to reduce the COVID supplies line to $1. 03:58:14.800 --> 03:58:28.600 - Yes, I'll say yes. 03:58:28.600 --> 03:58:29.600 - Councilor Wills. 03:58:29.600 --> 03:58:30.600 - Yes. 03:58:30.600 --> 03:58:31.600 - Councilor Crosley. 03:58:31.600 --> 03:58:32.600 - Yes. 03:58:32.600 --> 03:58:33.600 - Councilor Henry. 03:58:33.600 --> 03:58:34.600 - Yes. 03:58:34.600 --> 03:58:35.600 - Motion passes 7-0. 03:58:35.600 --> 03:58:43.400 - Madam President, yes, what I wanted to make it clear, I see it now it's saying COVID supplies 03:58:43.400 --> 03:58:49.400 - line budget sheets that we were looking at, it said reimbursement, didn't say anything 03:58:49.400 --> 03:58:55.440 - about COVID or anything, maybe that got changed after we received a letter or something of 03:58:55.440 --> 03:58:59.840 - the sort, but just for people to know what we were talking about when we were talking 03:58:59.840 --> 03:59:04.800 - about reimbursement, it's sort of confusing. 03:59:04.800 --> 03:59:06.520 - Yes. 03:59:06.520 --> 03:59:13.880 - Okay, we'll look into other council members to see if anybody else has any other motions 03:59:13.880 --> 03:59:15.760 - that they would like to make. 03:59:15.760 --> 03:59:16.760 - Yes. 03:59:16.760 --> 03:59:17.760 - Councilor Henry. 03:59:17.760 --> 03:59:18.760 - Thank you, Madam President. 03:59:18.760 --> 03:59:37.640 - I'd like to return to Commissioner's budget under the CUME CAP 1138. 03:59:37.640 --> 03:59:46.480 - So under CUME CAP 1138, I have a motion on the service category 30041 software to reduce 03:59:46.480 --> 04:00:00.600 - the line item to 1 million, so a $500,000 deduction. 04:00:00.600 --> 04:00:05.120 - To encourage the commissioners to visit the general obligation bonds for software purchasing 04:00:05.120 --> 04:00:11.080 - for half a million dollars in the 11 years of bonds that we have. 04:00:11.080 --> 04:00:12.480 - Second. 04:00:12.480 --> 04:00:13.840 - Okay. 04:00:13.840 --> 04:00:21.920 - We have a motion and a second on this item to reduce that line item and software to 1 04:00:21.920 --> 04:00:23.600 - million. 04:00:23.600 --> 04:00:25.800 - Is there any discussion of council? 04:00:25.800 --> 04:00:29.680 - Council, well, you just gave your ration for doing that. 04:00:29.680 --> 04:00:30.680 - So nevermind. 04:00:30.680 --> 04:00:31.680 - Okay. 04:00:31.680 --> 04:00:33.920 - That was good. 04:00:33.920 --> 04:00:36.240 - Any other questions or comments related to this? 04:00:36.240 --> 04:00:38.360 - I think this is a great idea. 04:00:38.360 --> 04:00:39.360 - Yeah. 04:00:39.360 --> 04:00:46.240 - And again, my understanding from my conversation with Ms. Purdy earlier today is, again, and 04:00:46.240 --> 04:00:51.440 - looking at this particular area, and I'm glad Council Henry made those motions. 04:00:51.440 --> 04:00:57.400 - That was something that I wrote down in my handy dandy budget notebook here is to look 04:00:57.400 --> 04:01:01.560 - at that and look and revisit how we can look at bonds. 04:01:01.560 --> 04:01:07.160 - And it's my understanding, and I'm looking at the auditor as well, apparently there's 04:01:07.160 --> 04:01:15.520 - a conversation that should be coming to Council soon related to bond projects. 04:01:15.520 --> 04:01:18.640 - My understanding is it's the 23rd. 04:01:18.640 --> 04:01:19.640 - Okay. 04:01:19.640 --> 04:01:20.640 - Okay. 04:01:20.640 --> 04:01:29.480 - If I may, as you know, we always budget high to give you flexibility to determine how you 04:01:29.480 --> 04:01:30.840 - want to proceed. 04:01:30.840 --> 04:01:39.520 - So because there were unknowns, Council Administrator and I were budgeting the bond, I think it's 04:01:39.520 --> 04:01:43.160 - seven and a half million, which I know you don't want to go anywhere near, but that gives 04:01:43.160 --> 04:01:48.360 - you the flexibility to do as FSG, I think at one point mentioned, like six for six years, 04:01:48.360 --> 04:01:54.120 - or you could do three for six years, or however you choose to approve and do it, it just, 04:01:54.120 --> 04:01:57.080 - that is an option for other funding. 04:01:57.080 --> 04:01:58.080 - Okay. 04:01:58.080 --> 04:01:59.080 - Yes. 04:01:59.080 --> 04:02:01.560 - Okay. 04:02:01.560 --> 04:02:05.240 - Anybody over here got questions to the left. 04:02:05.240 --> 04:02:06.240 - Councilor Rhodes. 04:02:06.240 --> 04:02:13.040 - That's a little bit different than the bonding that we're talking about for this particular 04:02:13.040 --> 04:02:27.280 - motion, not unrelated, but, but I think what would be really nice is to have a public discussion 04:02:27.280 --> 04:02:35.360 - around the funds, the bond funds that go back years and years, because we've had that, we've 04:02:35.360 --> 04:02:43.560 - had a discussion a couple of years ago, and got the spreadsheet going, which love the spreadsheet, 04:02:43.560 --> 04:02:50.960 - it's awesome, but I need context with that a little bit because, you know, I think there's 04:02:50.960 --> 04:02:59.360 - just a goldmine of information about the various projects that exists in probably Angie Purdy's 04:02:59.360 --> 04:03:08.440 - office and I would, you know, it would be great for us to make these kinds of decisions 04:03:08.440 --> 04:03:12.760 - fully aware of what we can be maybe utilizing. 04:03:12.760 --> 04:03:15.800 - So anyway, I'm all for doing this. 04:03:15.800 --> 04:03:21.320 - I'm also for hopefully getting some more information. 04:03:21.320 --> 04:03:25.960 - I would just add that my first inclination was to zero or to take it to a dollar and 04:03:25.960 --> 04:03:29.880 - go look for a million five, but I feel like it's a baby step. 04:03:29.880 --> 04:03:35.440 - Also based on the document we have, while it gives us some idea that there are line items, 04:03:35.440 --> 04:03:38.880 - it really isn't that granular and this is why I'm coming full circle to our earlier 04:03:38.880 --> 04:03:43.520 - part of the meeting when we say we found $300,000 at the beginning of the meeting and a bond 04:03:43.520 --> 04:03:48.500 - to buy something, software, vehicles, whatever, and then when we make a suggestion that that's 04:03:48.500 --> 04:03:51.680 - counted for, we need a little more granularity in the sheets, I think. 04:03:51.680 --> 04:03:53.800 - So this is an opening conversation. 04:03:53.800 --> 04:03:58.120 - It should be a reasonable thing to manage because we've seen them manage it before over 04:03:58.120 --> 04:04:01.120 - the past year. 04:04:01.120 --> 04:04:02.120 - That's it. 04:04:02.120 --> 04:04:03.120 - Yes, Councilor Decker. 04:04:03.120 --> 04:04:10.520 - I recall vividly in 2020, we had discussion on bonding, I believe, for dollars around 04:04:10.520 --> 04:04:15.840 - the Memorial that the Chamber of Commerce donated to the community in the '50s out here. 04:04:15.840 --> 04:04:20.360 - It's the soldier that's facing northeast to repave around that. 04:04:20.360 --> 04:04:22.520 - By knowledge, that's not been done. 04:04:22.520 --> 04:04:28.400 - We have to be, I'm not saying that project should be done or not done, but to speak to 04:04:28.400 --> 04:04:36.640 - the spirit of this, looking at projects, triaging these, what applies, what does not, and making 04:04:36.640 --> 04:04:37.640 - choices. 04:04:37.640 --> 04:04:43.320 - There are some choices for bonding projects that this is not going to happen, and instead 04:04:43.320 --> 04:04:48.120 - this fund will pay for something else that's eligible and more important, and these are 04:04:48.120 --> 04:04:51.120 - the tough times we're in. 04:04:51.120 --> 04:04:52.120 - Okay. 04:04:52.120 --> 04:04:57.360 - All right, so any other further questions or comments on this? 04:04:57.360 --> 04:05:04.920 - Okay, seeing none, may we please have a roll call vote? 04:05:04.920 --> 04:05:11.560 - Councilor Decker. Yes. Councilor Iverson. Yes. Councilor Henry. Yes. Councilor Feidl. Yes. 04:05:11.560 --> 04:05:19.160 - Councilor Witt-Wilts. Yes. Councilor Crosley. I'm so sorry. Yes. Councilor Hawke. Motion 04:05:19.160 --> 04:05:28.120 - passes 7-0. Okay. All right, thank you. Yes, Councilor Iverson. Council, I move to open 04:05:28.120 --> 04:05:47.600 - fund 1000-0309 County General Employee Services. The general fund. Okay, that's what I was 04:05:47.600 --> 04:05:56.000 - going to ask. Yeah. Because that's where the self-insurance is. And I move to amend line 04:05:56.000 --> 04:06:10.680 - 18001 full-time self-insurance to move it from $18,000 per position to $16,500 per position. 04:06:10.680 --> 04:06:20.360 - Second. Got a motion and a second. Council Iverson. I don't see employee services here 04:06:20.360 --> 04:06:30.200 - anymore. So the rationale here is that this decreased amount per position is a compromise 04:06:30.200 --> 04:06:36.680 - that this is still an investment in our employees. This is still an investment in the health 04:06:36.680 --> 04:06:44.800 - of our employees, but the reduced amount in this general fund will help us reach our goal 04:06:44.800 --> 04:06:53.600 - of a balanced budget. And Ms. Kim Schell. I don't think you want to do just general 04:06:53.600 --> 04:07:00.400 - fund. I think you want to make the motion to do self-insurance across the board. Across 04:07:00.400 --> 04:07:08.120 - all funds? Thank you. That is my intent. That was my intent. So council I ask for unanimous 04:07:08.120 --> 04:07:17.080 - consent to amend my motion to be across all funds not just in this one fund. 04:07:17.080 --> 04:07:21.960 - Correct. Thank you. So order. Thank you. 04:07:21.960 --> 04:07:34.600 - Good. Okay. So we didn't have any objections to that. So that is to reduce that to 16 04:07:34.600 --> 04:07:43.000 - across the board. 16,500. Yes. 16,500 across the board. Any other further discussion on that? 04:07:43.000 --> 04:07:54.600 - All right. Yes. Yep. All right. Seeing none, may we please have a roll call vote. 04:07:55.720 --> 04:08:04.760 - Councillor Hawke. Councillor Crosley. Yes. Councillor Henry. Yes. Councillor Feidl. Yes. Councillor 04:08:04.760 --> 04:08:04.760 - Wiltz. 04:08:04.760 --> 04:08:09.560 - Yes. Councillor Iverson. Yes. Councillor Decker. Yes. Motion passes 7-0. 04:08:09.560 --> 04:08:16.840 - Yes. Councillor Henry. Thank you, Madam President. Maybe I'll ask the President's preference. Would 04:08:16.840 --> 04:08:20.840 - you like me to start with a smaller one or should I move on to the clerk because this may take some 04:08:20.840 --> 04:08:30.120 - time? May I just interrupt for one more time? So when we were on the health fund and we were 04:08:30.120 --> 04:08:30.840 - reducing 04:08:30.840 --> 04:08:37.720 - those and I was counting the number of employees, I need to add another employee into that mix even 04:08:37.720 --> 04:08:45.320 - though there's only three people in that fund. We also have a fourth one and that's due to the 04:08:47.880 --> 04:08:58.360 - local health trust. We have a person in that fund and that fund is the one that's going to be going 04:08:58.360 --> 04:09:05.080 - away and so the self-insurance is coming out of that fund and so I need to add that person 04:09:05.080 --> 04:09:05.640 - otherwise. 04:09:05.640 --> 04:09:17.080 - And that person's being added into 1161 or 1159. Okay great. Council, I move to make the changes 04:09:17.080 --> 04:09:27.880 - that Ms. Kim Schell elucidated in fund 1159-0000 health. Second. All right we got a motion and a 04:09:27.880 --> 04:09:39.880 - second. Any further discussion on that item? All right seeing none, can we we should be able 04:09:39.880 --> 04:09:46.760 - to do a voice vote on this one. So all those in favor of the motion signify by saying aye. 04:09:46.760 --> 04:09:55.560 - Aye. All those opposed same sign. Okay motion carries. All right. So 04:09:55.560 --> 04:10:04.360 - before that happened, Councilor Henry had mentioned that he has more amendments 04:10:04.360 --> 04:10:13.400 - to come down the pike here and so I guess let's say you council. 04:10:14.680 --> 04:10:19.880 - I would just repeat Madam President. Yeah I have a small amendment for stormwater or 04:10:19.880 --> 04:10:25.960 - somewhere around 40 line items for the clerk's office so I just want to make sure we buckle in 04:10:25.960 --> 04:10:32.280 - if we need to. Would you prefer stormwater? Yeah let's start small. Okay all right Madam 04:10:32.280 --> 04:10:40.680 - President I take a look at fund 1197 with stormwater under the capital category. 04:10:40.680 --> 04:10:46.600 - Kim are you ready? I'll get there. All right can you form a motion? Yeah so I'd like to make a 04:10:46.600 --> 04:10:46.920 - motion 04:10:46.920 --> 04:10:53.400 - and under under I don't have the under fund 1197 stormwater capital category 04:10:53.400 --> 04:11:02.920 - item four zero zero zero one equipment street sweeper to set the line item to one dollar 04:11:08.920 --> 04:11:13.720 - and again just for rationale because I was just asked by the counselor to again consult the 04:11:13.720 --> 04:11:17.400 - commissioners on general obligation bonds under their vehicle line items to see if we can make 04:11:17.400 --> 04:11:23.000 - that purchase under bonds this year. All right council we have a motion is there a second on 04:11:23.000 --> 04:11:30.600 - this motion? Second oh oh we do have a second a motion and a second is there any discussion 04:11:30.600 --> 04:11:38.840 - on the proposed motion? I would just say it's very important for us to have a street sweeper 04:11:39.320 --> 04:11:46.120 - so I hope they're going to cover it in the bond. The reason why for those of us who live out in 04:11:46.120 --> 04:11:54.840 - the county I you know they have all that sand up after a heavy snow event if you don't do that it 04:11:54.840 --> 04:12:01.800 - all gets into that drainage way backs it up and then we have real real problems so we have to have 04:12:01.800 --> 04:12:08.120 - a street sweeper. Thank you council member Hawke. I agree I do live out in the county as well you 04:12:08.120 --> 04:12:13.800 - know for now until the city loses its lawsuit in any case. I did have an opportunity to see our 04:12:13.800 --> 04:12:19.160 - current street sweeper work down my street the other day I know that this is a much want to have 04:12:19.160 --> 04:12:23.560 - but it looks like the need is you know or maybe the need might not be there I don't want to judge 04:12:23.560 --> 04:12:29.080 - the equipment I didn't inherit my dad's mechanic jeans but having said that I think again it's 04:12:29.080 --> 04:12:33.640 - just another opportunity there are multiple vehicle lines inside the general obligation bonds if it's 04:12:33.640 --> 04:12:39.240 - the opportunities there pursue it if not we can revisit it revisit it with an additional probe 04:12:39.240 --> 04:12:44.360 - in the fiscal next year yeah all right thank you councilmember henry is there any further 04:12:44.360 --> 04:12:50.920 - discussion on this item yes councilmember dickard I just want to say that again this budget is a 04:12:50.920 --> 04:12:57.880 - work in progress they're always a work in progress and as folks look at those bond opportunities or 04:12:57.880 --> 04:13:05.880 - other items this can factor into that discussion it has to around that and in consultation with 04:13:05.880 --> 04:13:13.480 - the department and everyone else all right any further comments seeing none may we please have 04:13:13.480 --> 04:13:24.920 - a roll call vote councilor fiddle councilor wilts yes councilor henry yes councilor hawk yes 04:13:25.880 --> 04:13:34.600 - councilor crossley not present councilor iverson yes councilor dickard motion passes six one all 04:13:34.600 --> 04:13:41.640 - right thank you before I look back at councilor henry does anybody else have any amendments to 04:13:41.640 --> 04:13:50.760 - make to the 2026 budget this evening well that I don't I'm reserving the right yes no as well 04:13:50.760 --> 04:13:56.120 - you should council member wilts no one's trying to take that away from you I just like three items 04:13:56.120 --> 04:14:07.080 - versus 40 I mean to be quite honest after the 40 which I'm excited to hear about um I could we 04:14:07.080 --> 04:14:12.680 - maybe get a little update on how much we've cut and where we are in the whole I would prefer it 04:14:12.680 --> 04:14:20.760 - now if we could wait we could I mean ish yeah I need to go back and fix 1161 maybe now is time 04:14:20.760 --> 04:14:27.960 - for uh if you want to take a brief break yeah sorry I mean I need I need to figure out the 04:14:27.960 --> 04:14:34.200 - fika and the perf with regards to 1161 all right council so it's how much time do you need five 04:14:34.200 --> 04:14:44.920 - minutes maybe all right council please come back here at 9 45 pm on the dot uh we are in recess 04:14:44.920 --> 04:14:56.360 - all right council we are returned from recess and before we go to councillors for additional 04:14:56.360 --> 04:15:01.240 - appropriations and I'm killing time because I see council member crossly walking her way in 04:15:01.800 --> 04:15:07.000 - miss kim shell do you have an updated number for this council 04:15:07.000 --> 04:15:17.240 - I forgot one one minute I gotta plug this one in eight four zero one two one five five nine four 04:15:17.240 --> 04:15:26.440 - okay so um with the addition of moving personnel lines back into 1161 04:15:27.800 --> 04:15:34.920 - we have 18 employees so that calculates at the eighteen thousand uh three hundred and 04:15:34.920 --> 04:15:41.800 - twenty four thousand dollars for self-insurance I redid the FICA so that is now eighty four zero 04:15:41.800 --> 04:15:49.400 - twelve and then perf is one fifty five nine forty two so there is a new personnel amount of one 04:15:49.400 --> 04:15:59.640 - million six sixty two one thirty seven so for an overall budget of two million two oh two three 04:15:59.640 --> 04:16:00.200 - forty 04:16:00.200 --> 04:16:07.320 - three yes that's the local health fund hfi 04:16:14.840 --> 04:16:22.120 - I we we did 1159 earlier I had already taken care of that and and you guys 1159 that we care about 04:16:22.120 --> 04:16:29.240 - yeah 1159 has a bottom line new total of nine hundred and eleven thousand six ninety eight 04:16:29.240 --> 04:16:41.240 - so is it possible for us to get an idea of how much we have taken out of the budgets 04:16:42.840 --> 04:16:51.240 - tonight yeah I mean because well we're just going to keep going right at some point I'd like to go 04:16:51.240 --> 04:17:04.280 - home right overall overall we have done two million seven seventy two nine thirty nine 04:17:04.280 --> 04:17:10.760 - now granted you've moved things from one fund to another with regards to health so 04:17:11.400 --> 04:17:18.680 - you know that kind of thing so you know you moved positions from here to here so there's no loss 04:17:18.680 --> 04:17:23.720 - you know okay but yeah look yeah 04:17:23.720 --> 04:17:36.200 - focus on general okay or just or levy I mean hang on hang on let me let me let me try something 04:17:36.200 --> 04:17:36.440 - here 04:17:36.440 --> 04:17:41.960 - so general fund if I go down here 04:17:41.960 --> 04:18:01.960 - I need to go to taco bell at this point it's the only thing open 04:18:02.040 --> 04:18:09.480 - but 04:18:09.480 --> 04:18:19.480 - that's general ever I've been here till midnight yeah I have an entire 04:18:24.920 --> 04:18:32.920 - that latest you've been before 11 but I think that's that's the uh 11 maybe 04:18:32.920 --> 04:18:40.920 - maybe 04:18:40.920 --> 04:18:58.920 - do seven seven two nine three nine 04:18:58.920 --> 04:19:02.920 - so 04:19:02.920 --> 04:19:09.080 - carly's plugging a number into her her stuff 04:19:09.080 --> 04:19:19.960 - okay okay so order in the court all right so carly take it away let's get us wrangle back in so if 04:19:19.960 --> 04:19:20.120 - we 04:19:20.120 --> 04:19:26.920 - look at the simple calculation that was provided um want to put that on the screen I can yes 04:19:26.920 --> 04:19:30.920 - okay 04:19:30.920 --> 04:19:47.080 - don't pay any mind to the deep dive calculation we're looking specifically at the simple 04:19:47.080 --> 04:19:47.800 - calculation 04:19:47.800 --> 04:19:54.840 - we took the amount that we started the night with for the budget and we reduced we subtracted out 04:19:54.840 --> 04:20:00.680 - those reductions that leaves us at a deficit of 5.279 04:20:00.680 --> 04:20:10.680 - 5.7 can you I was gonna say can you enlarge that and I can see it better 04:20:10.680 --> 04:20:13.880 - on there there you go a good idea yes 04:20:18.440 --> 04:20:28.920 - all right so you were close three okay so 04:20:28.920 --> 04:20:40.680 - I can't hear you marty use your mic I uh I'm looking at simple calculation and that bottom 04:20:40.680 --> 04:20:46.520 - line says it does not account for the tax cap impact which is what another million something 04:20:46.520 --> 04:21:05.400 - the tax cap impact is highlighted in yellow that's the sum across all levy funds so that's 04:21:05.400 --> 04:21:09.080 - in addition to the deficit displayed in the simple calculation 04:21:09.080 --> 04:21:25.320 - okay so it sounds like we got some chipping away and it sounds like that council Henry 04:21:25.320 --> 04:21:30.920 - has some things to do here so let's get on the bandwagon thank you um I would I'm going to try 04:21:30.920 --> 04:21:36.920 - to break these motions into um categories it might be easier to get through um uh Kim I'd like to 04:21:36.920 --> 04:21:42.360 - go to the clerk's budget uh one zero zero zero dash zero zero zero one county general 04:21:42.360 --> 04:21:50.200 - okay hopefully get a display up on screen so I can all take a looky-loo 04:21:50.200 --> 04:21:59.880 - we'll start with the personnel category one seven one zero one 04:22:03.160 --> 04:22:08.840 - it's overtime and setting this to a reduction to one dollar until we have a further analysis of 04:22:08.840 --> 04:22:23.480 - need and as the for the appropriation second okay um so um what what that's it just uh reducing 04:22:23.480 --> 04:22:28.280 - the overtime to a dollar in this category okay so that's the tweet and that's the post okay um 04:22:28.280 --> 04:22:35.240 - all right any other additional questions or comments related to this item looking to my left 04:22:35.240 --> 04:22:40.920 - um if you want to give me just a second if we're going to move forward with this 04:22:40.920 --> 04:22:58.280 - i need to redo the faika okay amongst yourselves hold party one doritos 04:23:01.080 --> 04:23:29.800 - go to rio one's over here so you can do it like that i mean for those that might watch back later 04:23:29.800 --> 04:23:38.120 - we're just waiting for michelle to adjust the numbers um since the reduction of overtime 04:23:38.120 --> 04:23:46.040 - is proposed at one dollar um we have to do faika and perf as well 04:23:46.040 --> 04:23:52.520 - it might have been from a point of order maybe would you would you be okay would you like to go 04:23:52.520 --> 04:23:58.200 - one by one on the categories or i could do a rolling on each um account and just cover 04:23:58.200 --> 04:24:01.720 - services and supplies while we're waiting okay let's just go ahead and add a few while kim's 04:24:01.720 --> 04:24:08.360 - working on that um so let me just make sure are we okay because he has more under the same 04:24:08.360 --> 04:24:14.600 - under the same category yeah but another category the uh the account line so so there's supplies 04:24:14.600 --> 04:24:19.000 - and services coming do you want do you need a minute we need to i need okay let's just wait 04:24:19.000 --> 04:24:35.000 - sorry we'll just roll them as we can yeah please hold 04:24:35.720 --> 04:24:45.000 - okay 04:24:45.000 --> 04:24:53.000 - um 04:24:53.000 --> 04:25:12.520 - okay i have the new amounts for you all right what are those numbers um 04:25:13.480 --> 04:25:24.040 - fika reduction to 128 250 per reduction to 216 531 04:25:24.040 --> 04:25:27.400 - okay 04:25:27.400 --> 04:25:36.840 - so is there any other further discussion on this motion made by councillor henry 04:25:40.120 --> 04:25:43.320 - all right seeing none may we please have a roll call vote 04:25:43.320 --> 04:25:47.880 - councillor iverson 04:25:47.880 --> 04:25:56.040 - yes councillor henry yes councillor hawke 04:25:56.040 --> 04:26:00.120 - i have to come back 04:26:05.480 --> 04:26:15.640 - thank you can that councillor vidal yes councillor wilts yes councillor crossley yes councillor 04:26:15.640 --> 04:26:23.480 - dickard yes motion passes seven zero all right that is what happens for um county council after 04:26:23.480 --> 04:26:29.240 - dark all right let's keep going and the president i'll keep the floor if there's an objection um 04:26:29.240 --> 04:26:36.200 - moving in the same um in the same county general moving into supplies category two zero zero zero 04:26:36.200 --> 04:26:43.480 - one a reduction to fifteen thousand in this in the office supply category now um i would just say 04:26:43.480 --> 04:26:49.320 - go ahead second yeah i would just say my rationale for what's coming is to zero base 04:26:49.320 --> 04:26:57.720 - many of these count lines to their last year um there seems to be um a a difference in how 04:26:57.720 --> 04:27:02.600 - these line items are budgeted compared to other departments uh that they're a little larger by 04:27:02.600 --> 04:27:07.960 - percentage and so one way to go at it is to look at what was done last year and add a roundup where 04:27:07.960 --> 04:27:12.520 - appropriate so that's what i'm after here in terms of the method of my madness so for this one it's 04:27:12.520 --> 04:27:23.400 - reduced to fifteen thousand okay council you all heard um counselor henry's ration for this item 04:27:23.400 --> 04:27:28.520 - Or his motion. Is there anybody else that has any other questions or comments related to this? 04:27:28.520 --> 04:27:33.640 - And seeing none, may we please have a roll call vote? 04:27:33.640 --> 04:27:37.480 - Councilor fiddle 04:27:37.480 --> 04:27:39.880 - Yes, councilor crossley 04:27:39.880 --> 04:27:42.760 - Yes, councilor hawke. Yes, councilor wilts 04:27:42.760 --> 04:27:47.640 - Yes, councilor henry. Yes, councilor iverson. Yes, councilor decker 04:27:47.640 --> 04:27:50.360 - Yes motion passes seven zero 04:27:51.640 --> 04:27:56.050 - Keep the train going. Thank you. Madam president in the same county general in the services 04:27:56.050 --> 04:27:58.120 - category. Let's move on to line 04:27:58.120 --> 04:28:00.660 - three zero zero 04:28:00.660 --> 04:28:02.680 - zero three printing and subscriptions to 04:28:02.680 --> 04:28:05.560 - reduce to six thousand 04:28:05.560 --> 04:28:11.160 - Three zero zero zero four repairs equipment vehicle to four hundred 04:28:11.160 --> 04:28:13.160 - Wait a minute 04:28:13.160 --> 04:28:17.960 - Three zero zero four. It's already at zero. Is it zeroed? Yes, then skip. Um 04:28:19.400 --> 04:28:24.040 - on three zero zero zero eight bank service fees to 04:28:24.040 --> 04:28:27.320 - Back to twelve fifty or one two five zero 04:28:27.320 --> 04:28:33.160 - In three zero zero two eight 04:28:33.160 --> 04:28:36.520 - reduced to one thousand 04:28:36.520 --> 04:28:43.800 - And three zero eight zero zero to two thousand and that's with that latter one just for folks 04:28:43.800 --> 04:28:46.840 - Is to request an audit of the postage meter so we can determine 04:28:47.640 --> 04:28:50.200 - What's sitting on that for additional appropriation? 04:28:50.200 --> 04:28:52.760 - That's all 04:28:52.760 --> 04:29:00.990 - Need a second second, all right, we got a motion and a second any other further discussion or 04:29:00.990 --> 04:29:01.480 - questions 04:29:01.480 --> 04:29:08.280 - All right seeing none, may we please have a roll call vote 04:29:11.560 --> 04:29:17.950 - Councillor henry. Yes councillor crossley. Yes councillor decker. Yes councillor hawke. Yes councillor 04:29:17.950 --> 04:29:18.520 - wilts 04:29:18.520 --> 04:29:21.000 - councillor plant 04:29:21.000 --> 04:29:21.960 - vital 04:29:21.960 --> 04:29:25.640 - Yes councillor iverson. Yes motion passes seven zero 04:29:25.640 --> 04:29:36.760 - Let's uh, we'll now move to um, we'll have to catch you later the election fund uh, 1215 dash zero 04:29:36.760 --> 04:29:38.540 - zero one zero voter registration 04:29:39.420 --> 04:29:41.420 - Um 04:29:41.420 --> 04:29:44.380 - Now kim did you get it? 04:29:44.380 --> 04:29:48.460 - All right, i'll now wait 04:29:48.460 --> 04:29:57.260 - Are you going to voter registration and the voter registration thanks and the uh in the supply 04:29:57.260 --> 04:30:00.300 - category two zero zero zero one 04:30:00.300 --> 04:30:01.820 - I think that's it 04:30:01.820 --> 04:30:04.380 - Yes office supplies reduced to two 04:30:04.380 --> 04:30:07.000 - thousand 04:30:07.660 --> 04:30:09.660 - And can we just do services now? 04:30:09.660 --> 04:30:15.260 - All right, so and then in the services category three zero zero zero three printing and 04:30:15.260 --> 04:30:16.140 - subscription 04:30:16.140 --> 04:30:18.940 - to 04:30:18.940 --> 04:30:25.260 - 4,000 three zero zero zero six contractual to five thousand 04:30:25.260 --> 04:30:30.140 - Three zero zero two eight training to twenty five hundred 04:30:31.740 --> 04:30:38.960 - Three zero zero four one software to one dollar until we get a clarification about that appropriation 04:30:38.960 --> 04:30:46.700 - And three zero eight zero zero postage to forty six hundred until clarification second 04:30:46.700 --> 04:30:55.420 - We got a motion in a second any other further discussion on that item 04:31:00.140 --> 04:31:03.660 - Seeing none, maybe please have a roll call vote 04:31:03.660 --> 04:31:13.020 - Counselor dickard, yes counselor fiddle. Yes counselor wilts. Yes counselor henry. Yes counselor 04:31:13.020 --> 04:31:13.340 - hop 04:31:13.340 --> 04:31:18.700 - Counselor crossley. Yes counselor iverson. Yes motion passes seven zero 04:31:18.700 --> 04:31:27.260 - All right, i'm moving on to uh, the next fund election fund election board one two one five dash 04:31:27.260 --> 04:31:28.780 - zero zero six two 04:31:29.500 --> 04:31:35.250 - Um michelle, i'll ask a question here. Many of these account lines are going to be salary or 04:31:35.250 --> 04:31:35.660 - personnel 04:31:35.660 --> 04:31:40.860 - So this may take a little work with perf and fica. Would you prefer I go through each, uh, 04:31:40.860 --> 04:31:44.220 - Election worker line collectively and we can catch it at the end 04:31:44.220 --> 04:31:46.940 - Yes, yeah 04:31:46.940 --> 04:31:52.620 - So, um in account line one seven one zero one overtime 04:31:52.620 --> 04:31:57.740 - Set this account line to one dollar 04:31:57.740 --> 04:31:59.740 - Um 04:31:59.740 --> 04:32:04.380 - And account line one seven two zero eight 04:32:04.380 --> 04:32:09.100 - Uniforms reduced to one hundred dollars 04:32:09.100 --> 04:32:21.660 - Now here comes the the election workers, right? So, um, here's the proposal so, um 17 501 04:32:21.660 --> 04:32:25.740 - Gosh my eyes 04:32:25.740 --> 04:32:31.740 - And I think the auditor's office head there. Yeah hands question. Yeah, I'm getting ahead of myself 04:32:31.740 --> 04:32:34.940 - Thanks carly. Sorry that uniform line. I if 04:32:34.940 --> 04:32:38.300 - If agreeable should be zeroed out because it's in a personnel line 04:32:38.300 --> 04:32:43.340 - Rather than a supply so it's an error altogether. I amend my comments to zero 04:32:43.340 --> 04:32:46.300 - Thank you. Thank you 04:32:46.300 --> 04:32:48.620 - Um 04:32:48.620 --> 04:32:51.020 - Where do we leave off 17 501? 04:32:52.620 --> 04:32:55.580 - Which is inspector's election to fourteen thousand 04:32:55.580 --> 04:33:00.620 - Seventeen five zero two to twenty nine thousand 04:33:00.620 --> 04:33:05.580 - Seventeen five zero three to sixty five hundred 04:33:05.580 --> 04:33:10.380 - Seventeen five zero four to sixty nine thousand 04:33:10.380 --> 04:33:14.700 - Nine, yeah, it's down from ninety. Thank you 04:33:14.700 --> 04:33:17.340 - Five something, right? Okay 04:33:17.340 --> 04:33:20.140 - Seventeen five zero five to one dollar 04:33:21.420 --> 04:33:26.140 - It's already there 17 506 to 214 000 04:33:26.140 --> 04:33:31.600 - 17 507 to 17 000 04:33:31.600 --> 04:33:40.880 - 17 508 to 9600 17 509 to 4300 04:33:40.880 --> 04:33:45.600 - 17 510 to 114 000 04:33:45.600 --> 04:33:50.140 - 17 511 to 45 000 04:33:50.140 --> 04:33:52.140 - 17 04:33:52.140 --> 04:34:00.420 - 17 8 0 1 to 27 500 and then we'll need to adjust her perf and FICA 04:34:00.420 --> 04:34:07.530 - That concludes my motion madam president on the second. All right, we got a motion and a second. Is 04:34:07.530 --> 04:34:09.900 - there any other further? 04:34:09.900 --> 04:34:12.060 - Yes counselor 04:34:12.060 --> 04:34:14.340 - Parts and rationale for the public is what we're doing here 04:34:14.340 --> 04:34:18.730 - so I want to be first clear about our conversation earlier about the sheriff's line that this is 04:34:18.730 --> 04:34:19.980 - not the same as a 04:34:20.220 --> 04:34:23.900 - Civil servant in a different office reducing the line item of elected official 04:34:23.900 --> 04:34:28.520 - It's County Council's obligation to provide the fiscal oversight over this particular account, 04:34:28.520 --> 04:34:29.020 - right? 04:34:29.020 --> 04:34:31.440 - So it's not quite the same as what we did earlier this evening 04:34:31.440 --> 04:34:33.420 - secondly 04:34:33.420 --> 04:34:36.060 - What I've done here is to take a look at the 2024 04:34:36.060 --> 04:34:41.380 - totals for these elected election worker positions, which as we know had to be 04:34:41.380 --> 04:34:44.980 - approved by the commissioners as a as a as a 04:34:45.980 --> 04:34:51.490 - The the the rate that folks are getting paid and so what we have is the last sanctified number from 04:34:51.490 --> 04:34:52.460 - the commissioners is 04:34:52.460 --> 04:34:55.980 - basically 2024 and in cases where the numbers are slightly 04:34:55.980 --> 04:35:00.540 - Specific I've rounded up to a whole hundred or whole thousand in some of those lines 04:35:00.540 --> 04:35:03.060 - So there's some padding there in terms of rounding it up 04:35:03.060 --> 04:35:07.690 - But generally since we did not have an election last year and each one of these account lines show 04:35:07.690 --> 04:35:09.100 - a considerable increase 04:35:09.100 --> 04:35:12.300 - We're talking about dozens of percentages. It's not three percent 04:35:12.580 --> 04:35:16.660 - It's worth setting this to what the commissioners last approved and I think maybe miss Turner came 04:35:16.660 --> 04:35:17.660 - if you could remind me 04:35:17.660 --> 04:35:20.940 - If we were to adjust this would have to go before the commissioners anyway, wouldn't it? 04:35:20.940 --> 04:35:25.860 - So the 04:35:25.860 --> 04:35:31.400 - Commissioners set most of the election day workers and council sets most of the absentee board 04:35:31.400 --> 04:35:31.900 - workers 04:35:31.900 --> 04:35:35.420 - I think this sets a standard regardless of what we're just trying to get to a balance here 04:35:35.420 --> 04:35:36.460 - And again, you know 04:35:36.460 --> 04:35:39.900 - There's a little time between now and next year if opportunities and resources open up 04:35:39.900 --> 04:35:44.160 - We can always revisit this for the general election if there is in fact a surge, but that's my 04:35:44.160 --> 04:35:45.820 - rationale for these madam president 04:35:45.820 --> 04:35:50.380 - Okay, thank you very much for that 04:35:50.380 --> 04:35:56.980 - Anybody else have any other questions or comments related to councillor Henry's motions? Yes councillor 04:35:56.980 --> 04:35:57.260 - Decker 04:35:57.260 --> 04:36:01.940 - I appreciate the effort on the the budget. I'm not quite there yet, but 04:36:01.940 --> 04:36:04.500 - Since these are all movable 04:36:04.500 --> 04:36:09.140 - Targets, I'll keep an open mind as we continue to work on this 04:36:09.940 --> 04:36:14.700 - Okay, anybody else have any questions 04:36:14.700 --> 04:36:25.360 - Seeing none we'll wait is Michelle I'll have to give us a new grand total. So please hold 04:36:25.360 --> 04:36:27.360 - And 04:36:27.360 --> 04:36:50.200 - Again for people that are gonna watch this playback either cats or however you watch it 04:36:50.200 --> 04:36:53.760 - If you see a long pause right now 04:36:54.920 --> 04:36:58.720 - We have to address the numbers in real time. And so Michelle 04:36:58.720 --> 04:37:02.360 - From council office is doing that in real time 04:37:24.320 --> 04:37:26.320 - Sorry 04:37:26.320 --> 04:37:29.680 - If I come out was it even was incorrect 04:37:29.680 --> 04:37:39.120 - I'm sorry there there if I come out on their report was incorrect on the clerk's report. Yeah 04:37:39.120 --> 04:37:50.280 - Molly 04:37:50.280 --> 04:37:55.640 - Which which positions go through the claim because then they don't get FICA 04:37:55.640 --> 04:37:57.640 - , right? 04:38:27.640 --> 04:38:37.640 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:38:37.640 --> 04:38:47.640 - [LAUGH] 04:38:47.640 --> 04:38:52.080 - >> I'm sorry, man. 04:38:52.080 --> 04:39:02.080 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:39:02.080 --> 04:39:12.080 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:39:12.080 --> 04:39:22.100 - I drive by it a lot. 04:39:22.100 --> 04:39:22.100 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:39:22.100 --> 04:39:32.100 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:39:32.100 --> 04:39:36.700 - >> All right. 04:39:36.700 --> 04:39:38.220 - [LAUGH] 04:39:38.220 --> 04:39:40.920 - >> Sorry, this is my last personnel line, so. 04:39:40.920 --> 04:39:45.220 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:39:45.220 --> 04:39:47.060 - >> All right, that makes a difference, okay. 04:39:47.060 --> 04:39:57.060 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:39:57.060 --> 04:40:10.700 - >> I wonder. 04:40:10.700 --> 04:40:20.700 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:40:20.700 --> 04:40:36.420 - >> Yeah, how did you think I got? 04:40:36.420 --> 04:40:37.980 - >> I don't know. 04:40:37.980 --> 04:40:47.980 - [INAUDIBLE] 04:40:47.980 --> 04:40:56.300 - >> And so again, for people that are watching, if you are noticing a very long pause, 04:40:56.300 --> 04:41:02.180 - it is because we are trying to, after the long motions made by Councillor Henry, 04:41:02.180 --> 04:41:07.700 - we are trying to get the numbers correct in real time for a new grand total. 04:41:07.700 --> 04:41:10.060 - So we appreciate your patience. 04:41:10.060 --> 04:41:16.060 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:41:16.060 --> 04:41:17.120 - >> Please hold. 04:41:17.120 --> 04:41:27.120 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:41:27.120 --> 04:41:33.660 - >> I thought you were gonna take it out. 04:41:33.660 --> 04:41:43.660 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:41:43.660 --> 04:41:48.340 - >> Molly, Molly, I need you one more time. 04:41:48.340 --> 04:41:49.620 - I need to sit down. 04:41:49.620 --> 04:41:59.620 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:41:59.620 --> 04:42:05.620 - >> [LAUGH] 04:42:05.620 --> 04:42:09.620 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:42:09.620 --> 04:42:13.620 - >> [LAUGH] 04:42:13.620 --> 04:42:15.620 - >> I'm gonna talk about Michael Jackson. 04:42:15.620 --> 04:42:17.620 - >> [LAUGH] 04:42:17.620 --> 04:42:19.620 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:42:19.620 --> 04:42:21.620 - >> That's hilarious. 04:42:21.620 --> 04:42:23.620 - [LAUGH] 04:42:23.620 --> 04:42:25.620 - >> He's so mean though. 04:42:25.620 --> 04:42:27.620 - >> My God. 04:42:27.620 --> 04:42:37.620 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:42:37.620 --> 04:42:47.620 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:42:47.620 --> 04:42:57.620 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:42:57.620 --> 04:43:07.620 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:43:07.620 --> 04:43:23.620 - >> Well, that's the number I wanted to hear. 04:43:23.620 --> 04:43:33.620 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:43:37.620 --> 04:43:47.620 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:43:47.620 --> 04:43:57.620 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:43:57.620 --> 04:44:07.620 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:44:25.620 --> 04:44:35.620 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:44:35.620 --> 04:44:45.620 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:44:45.620 --> 04:44:55.620 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:44:55.620 --> 04:45:05.620 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:45:05.620 --> 04:45:15.620 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:45:15.620 --> 04:45:25.620 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:45:25.620 --> 04:45:35.620 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:45:35.620 --> 04:45:45.620 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:45:45.620 --> 04:45:55.620 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 04:45:55.620 --> 04:46:05.620 - >> Reducing office supplies to 13,500 in 22022 machine precinct, etc. 04:46:05.620 --> 04:46:15.620 - Reducing to 10,000 and 22005, is that, no, is that a three or five? 04:46:15.620 --> 04:46:17.620 - >> Three. >> Three, thank you. 04:46:17.620 --> 04:46:21.620 - Precinct setup supplies to 5,000. 04:46:21.620 --> 04:46:24.620 - >> Second. 04:46:24.620 --> 04:46:26.620 - >> All right, we got a motion in a second. 04:46:26.620 --> 04:46:28.620 - Mr. Henry, would you like to explain? 04:46:28.620 --> 04:46:31.620 - >> Sure, I appreciate it, and maybe I'm trying to look down the table. 04:46:31.620 --> 04:46:34.620 - I might be the only former election board president here, I think. 04:46:34.620 --> 04:46:37.620 - And so having run a share of elections recently, again, 04:46:37.620 --> 04:46:42.620 - this is zero basing list to the previous election's cost as best as possible. 04:46:42.620 --> 04:46:45.620 - I think additional appropriations, if the clerk's office wishes to seek them, 04:46:45.620 --> 04:46:50.620 - should be brought before us rather than waiting for a reversion at the end of the year 04:46:50.620 --> 04:46:52.620 - on items that might be over budgeted. 04:46:52.620 --> 04:46:57.620 - >> Sure, okay. 04:46:57.620 --> 04:47:02.620 - Okay, any other questions or comments on these items? 04:47:02.620 --> 04:47:04.620 - Yes, Councilor Wilts. 04:47:04.620 --> 04:47:06.620 - >> It was taking it back to-- 04:47:06.620 --> 04:47:09.620 - >> These might be averaged, actually. 04:47:09.620 --> 04:47:12.620 - I also took averages in the past few elections, too, on some of these. 04:47:12.620 --> 04:47:18.620 - But ultimately, it's the year over increase from '24 to this year that we're-- 04:47:18.620 --> 04:47:22.620 - sorry, if we go back, Kim, if we scoot over and look at previous adopted years, 04:47:22.620 --> 04:47:27.620 - you'll see some of these items are significantly bumped up, right? 04:47:27.620 --> 04:47:29.620 - And so that's what we're taking a look at. 04:47:29.620 --> 04:47:34.620 - But again, these should be items that, if the clerk requires more funding, 04:47:34.620 --> 04:47:36.620 - should come back in for it. 04:47:36.620 --> 04:47:41.620 - >> Okay. 04:47:41.620 --> 04:47:44.620 - Okay. 04:47:44.620 --> 04:47:52.620 - So if there's no further questions or comments on this, maybe please have a roll call vote. 04:47:52.620 --> 04:47:54.620 - >> Councillor Wilz? 04:47:54.620 --> 04:47:55.620 - >> Yes. 04:47:55.620 --> 04:47:56.620 - >> Councillor Henry? 04:47:56.620 --> 04:47:57.620 - >> Yes. 04:47:57.620 --> 04:47:58.620 - >> Councillor Hawke? 04:47:58.620 --> 04:47:59.620 - >> Yes. 04:47:59.620 --> 04:48:00.620 - >> Councillor Crossley? 04:48:00.620 --> 04:48:01.620 - >> Yes. 04:48:01.620 --> 04:48:02.620 - >> Councillor Iverson? 04:48:02.620 --> 04:48:03.620 - >> Yes. 04:48:03.620 --> 04:48:04.620 - >> Councillor Decker? 04:48:04.620 --> 04:48:05.620 - >> Yes. 04:48:05.620 --> 04:48:06.620 - >> Councillor Feidl? 04:48:06.620 --> 04:48:07.620 - >> Yes. 04:48:07.620 --> 04:48:08.620 - >> Motion passes 7-0. 04:48:08.620 --> 04:48:10.620 - >> Madam President, I have one more in the service category, if I may? 04:48:10.620 --> 04:48:11.620 - >> Okay. 04:48:11.620 --> 04:48:14.620 - >> Okay. 04:48:14.620 --> 04:48:18.620 - So in the services category, Michelle, let's work through some of these. 04:48:18.620 --> 04:48:22.620 - On 3-0006 contractual, that item, did we change that? 04:48:22.620 --> 04:48:23.620 - >> No. 04:48:23.620 --> 04:48:24.620 - >> We did not. 04:48:24.620 --> 04:48:25.620 - >> Uh-uh. 04:48:25.620 --> 04:48:30.620 - >> Ms. Turner-King, can you remind me which contract that is under contractual? 04:48:30.620 --> 04:48:37.620 - >> I'm not sure what's in that contractual line. 04:48:37.620 --> 04:48:44.620 - I think the contract you're probably alluding to, as if I can read your mind, is in the 04:48:44.620 --> 04:48:46.620 - voting machine custo and in set. 04:48:46.620 --> 04:48:47.620 - >> Okay. 04:48:47.620 --> 04:48:48.620 - I have that in a minute. 04:48:48.620 --> 04:48:50.620 - I just couldn't remember which one we were talking about. 04:48:50.620 --> 04:48:51.620 - It's late. 04:48:51.620 --> 04:48:52.620 - Leave that alone, Kim. 04:48:52.620 --> 04:48:53.620 - We're good. 04:48:53.620 --> 04:48:58.620 - 3-0028 to the training and travel to 3,000. 04:48:58.620 --> 04:49:03.620 - 3-0800 postage to 5,000. 04:49:03.620 --> 04:49:08.620 - And again, with the understanding, we'd like to get a look at the postage meter. 04:49:08.620 --> 04:49:11.780 - 3-1650. 04:49:11.780 --> 04:49:16.340 - This one, I believe, and this is the question, Ms. Turner-King, so is this appropriation 04:49:16.340 --> 04:49:22.500 - the two -- like all -- both years of the contract in one line item? 04:49:22.500 --> 04:49:30.620 - Or is it -- because this looks large, but it's not $350 a year in that contract, right? 04:49:30.620 --> 04:49:37.620 - Is there any way -- Auditor Breanne, do you know what's going on with that? 04:49:37.620 --> 04:49:38.620 - I've got the contract. 04:49:38.620 --> 04:49:39.620 - Okay. 04:49:39.620 --> 04:49:46.060 - So I do believe that's Mr. White's contractor, the B&L IT Services, and it is a contract 04:49:46.060 --> 04:49:56.500 - that lasts for two years, so it expires December 31st of 2026. 04:49:56.500 --> 04:50:07.860 - That year of the agreement is not to exceed $200,000, or $250,000, so I think it's the 04:50:07.860 --> 04:50:10.260 - full contract amount. 04:50:10.260 --> 04:50:16.020 - For this item, Michelle, if we can reduce to $250,000. 04:50:16.020 --> 04:50:34.900 - For item 32001 to 12500, $12,500, for item 32004, which is I believe freight to $1 -- there's 04:50:34.900 --> 04:50:37.780 - no previous items on that in previous years, correct? 04:50:37.780 --> 04:50:38.780 - Yeah. 04:50:38.780 --> 04:50:46.220 - For 32005, $500, which I think there was an item -- yeah, this one needs addressing in 04:50:46.220 --> 04:50:50.100 - code because there have been changes in legal notices on code recently, right, about where 04:50:50.100 --> 04:50:53.860 - we post things and papers and such. 04:50:53.860 --> 04:51:12.920 - 32006 to 85,000, 32008 to 7500, 32010, which is polling places to $1, and 38200 to $2500. 04:51:12.920 --> 04:51:13.920 - That concludes my -- 04:51:13.920 --> 04:51:14.920 - Second. 04:51:14.920 --> 04:51:15.920 - Okay. 04:51:15.920 --> 04:51:20.980 - You got a motion and a second. 04:51:20.980 --> 04:51:25.820 - Is there any other further questions or comments related to this? 04:51:25.820 --> 04:51:26.820 - Yes. 04:51:26.820 --> 04:51:27.820 - A simple one? 04:51:27.820 --> 04:51:28.820 - Yes. 04:51:28.820 --> 04:51:38.780 - So in the 31650 line where it says voting machine -- ED and SAT, what's ED and SAT? 04:51:38.780 --> 04:51:53.580 - I would think, I would think. 04:51:53.580 --> 04:51:58.300 - All the hands went up over there, so yes. 04:51:58.300 --> 04:52:04.860 - Councillor Henry, if you wanted information about that general contractual line, 306, I 04:52:04.860 --> 04:52:05.860 - have the ledger in front of me. 04:52:05.860 --> 04:52:06.860 - Is that Hart? 04:52:06.860 --> 04:52:07.860 - Pardon? 04:52:07.860 --> 04:52:10.460 - Is that a general contract for them to do same-day election work? 04:52:10.460 --> 04:52:21.700 - There's several things in there, all safe storage, no link, LLC, imaging office systems, 04:52:21.700 --> 04:52:29.220 - Pitney Bowes, shredding and storage, B and L IT services, mailing solutions. 04:52:29.220 --> 04:52:37.500 - I also want to note that this year there have been several, a couple transfers out. 04:52:37.500 --> 04:52:46.500 - So out of the $130,000 appropriation, 76 remained for use. 04:52:46.500 --> 04:52:50.420 - I think I'm happy not to disturb that one based on election year activity that seems 04:52:50.420 --> 04:52:51.420 - really close. 04:52:51.420 --> 04:52:56.580 - I think the previous election year is 139 something, is that right? 04:52:56.580 --> 04:52:57.580 - Yep. 04:52:57.580 --> 04:52:58.580 - For 2024. 04:52:58.580 --> 04:53:01.580 - Yeah, I'm not addressing that tonight. 04:53:01.580 --> 04:53:05.540 - And Ms. Turner-King had her hand up too. 04:53:05.540 --> 04:53:08.780 - I wanted to make a comment about that truck rental line. 04:53:08.780 --> 04:53:14.940 - I believe when the clerk was here, she indicated that's the truck rental line for U-Hauls on 04:53:14.940 --> 04:53:17.060 - election day. 04:53:17.060 --> 04:53:20.420 - That is encompassed in that B and L contract. 04:53:20.420 --> 04:53:25.740 - And the contractor is supposed to reimburt or supposed to submit invoices and we would 04:53:25.740 --> 04:53:28.160 - reimburse it under the contractual line. 04:53:28.160 --> 04:53:33.300 - So I'm not sure why there is the need for a separate truck rental line. 04:53:33.300 --> 04:53:37.780 - I would entertain an amendment to a dollar on that until we figure it out. 04:53:37.780 --> 04:53:38.780 - Second. 04:53:38.780 --> 04:53:39.780 - Okay. 04:53:39.780 --> 04:53:40.780 - All right. 04:53:40.780 --> 04:53:48.700 - We got a motion and a second to reduce the truck rental line item down to zero? 04:53:48.700 --> 04:53:51.100 - No, one dollar. 04:53:51.100 --> 04:53:52.100 - Okay. 04:53:52.100 --> 04:53:54.580 - I see it is purple in front of me. 04:53:54.580 --> 04:53:55.580 - Okay. 04:53:55.580 --> 04:53:59.460 - So the truck rental is now down to one dollar. 04:53:59.460 --> 04:54:06.900 - Is there any, I feel like an auctioneer, any questions, any questions or comments related 04:54:06.900 --> 04:54:07.900 - to this? 04:54:07.900 --> 04:54:08.900 - All right. 04:54:08.900 --> 04:54:09.900 - All right. 04:54:09.900 --> 04:54:10.900 - Seeing none. 04:54:10.900 --> 04:54:17.020 - All those in favor of reducing this line item to one dollar signify by saying aye. 04:54:17.020 --> 04:54:18.020 - Aye. 04:54:18.020 --> 04:54:19.020 - Aye. 04:54:19.020 --> 04:54:20.020 - All right. 04:54:20.020 --> 04:54:21.020 - All those opposed, same sign. 04:54:21.020 --> 04:54:22.020 - All right. 04:54:22.020 --> 04:54:23.020 - Motion carries. 04:54:23.020 --> 04:54:26.180 - So now we come back to the overall. 04:54:26.180 --> 04:54:27.180 - Okay. 04:54:27.180 --> 04:54:33.900 - And is there any real time number here? 04:54:33.900 --> 04:55:02.620 - Or is there any other changes Michelle that you need to make? 04:55:02.620 --> 04:55:09.420 - Our new bottom line for election board. 04:55:09.420 --> 04:55:13.620 - All right. 04:55:13.620 --> 04:55:19.940 - So may we please have a roll call vote on this item? 04:55:19.940 --> 04:55:20.940 - Council Henry? 04:55:20.940 --> 04:55:21.940 - Yes. 04:55:21.940 --> 04:55:22.940 - Councilor Hawk? 04:55:22.940 --> 04:55:23.940 - Yes. 04:55:23.940 --> 04:55:24.940 - Councilor Crossley? 04:55:24.940 --> 04:55:25.940 - Yes. 04:55:25.940 --> 04:55:26.940 - Councilor Iverson? 04:55:26.940 --> 04:55:27.940 - Yes. 04:55:27.940 --> 04:55:28.940 - Councilor Decker? 04:55:28.940 --> 04:55:29.940 - Yes. 04:55:29.940 --> 04:55:30.940 - Councilor Feidl? 04:55:30.940 --> 04:55:31.940 - Yes. 04:55:31.940 --> 04:55:32.940 - Okay. 04:55:32.940 --> 04:55:33.940 - Okay. 04:55:33.940 --> 04:55:34.940 - I yield back. 04:55:34.940 --> 04:55:35.940 - I'm done with that. 04:55:35.940 --> 04:55:36.940 - Okay. 04:55:36.940 --> 04:55:37.940 - We reclaim time. 04:55:37.940 --> 04:55:38.940 - Okay. 04:55:38.940 --> 04:55:39.940 - All right. 04:55:39.940 --> 04:55:40.940 - Uh-huh. 04:55:40.940 --> 04:55:47.060 - Do I dare ask if anybody else has anything for the greater good of the order related 04:55:47.060 --> 04:55:48.060 - to motions? 04:55:48.060 --> 04:55:49.060 - Not there yet, right? 04:55:49.060 --> 04:55:50.060 - We're nowhere near there yet. 04:55:50.060 --> 04:55:51.060 - Right. 04:55:51.060 --> 04:56:05.620 - And I recognize that we've got some buffer with our operating balances. 04:56:05.620 --> 04:56:07.060 - Oh. 04:56:07.060 --> 04:56:20.140 - But I do think that -- sorry, that's not picking up. 04:56:20.140 --> 04:56:21.620 - Okay. 04:56:21.620 --> 04:56:35.380 - My notes indicate doing some more sweeping kinds of things, like looking at capital across 04:56:35.380 --> 04:56:47.300 - the board and maybe going through -- why are you looking so sad? 04:56:47.300 --> 04:56:51.500 - So we could also -- we could do that. 04:56:51.500 --> 04:56:54.420 - We could also look at overtime lines. 04:56:54.420 --> 04:57:05.100 - I know we've addressed that here, and my thought was, if we could get a better handle on the 04:57:05.100 --> 04:57:12.020 - overtime for each of the departments, I know we have some reports that could be pulled 04:57:12.020 --> 04:57:13.020 - up. 04:57:13.020 --> 04:57:16.820 - I think that we could maybe craft something overall. 04:57:16.820 --> 04:57:20.500 - Can we have that discussion? 04:57:20.500 --> 04:57:24.980 - So I move that we do that, but it's not opening a specific budget because it's going to be 04:57:24.980 --> 04:57:26.980 - in various budgets. 04:57:26.980 --> 04:57:27.980 - Second. 04:57:27.980 --> 04:57:28.980 - Okay. 04:57:28.980 --> 04:57:41.140 - So the motion, if I understand, because there was a second, is to open up a discussion. 04:57:41.140 --> 04:57:46.900 - And we don't have any more amendments as of now to make. 04:57:46.900 --> 04:57:50.060 - My understanding is that we open a discussion all over time. 04:57:50.060 --> 04:57:51.500 - That sounds like a great idea. 04:57:51.500 --> 04:57:52.500 - All right. 04:57:52.500 --> 04:57:53.860 - We'll see y'all. 04:57:53.860 --> 04:57:56.700 - We definitely have to get a handle on that. 04:57:56.700 --> 04:58:03.620 - And the auditor's office usually sends a report of what the overtime looks like. 04:58:03.620 --> 04:58:13.380 - And so this is something that has been a long time coming and it is much necessary and needed. 04:58:13.380 --> 04:58:21.020 - And so it's not picking on particular individuals, but it is an overall county-wide look at how 04:58:21.020 --> 04:58:25.140 - we can reduce these lines related to overtime. 04:58:25.140 --> 04:58:32.220 - So I will look at other people that have insightful conversations and I will look at Councilor 04:58:32.220 --> 04:58:33.220 - Iverson. 04:58:33.220 --> 04:58:34.220 - Thank you. 04:58:34.220 --> 04:58:35.660 - Insightful is generous. 04:58:35.660 --> 04:58:43.180 - My question is, I was under the understanding that a resolution on this topic was forthcoming. 04:58:43.180 --> 04:58:44.700 - Is there a status update on that? 04:58:44.700 --> 04:58:51.380 - I have a draft resolution that none of you have ever seen that I'm happy to share with 04:58:51.380 --> 04:58:52.380 - you now. 04:58:52.380 --> 04:58:53.380 - 1030 at night. 04:58:53.380 --> 04:58:54.380 - Let's do some live editing. 04:58:54.380 --> 04:58:55.380 - Yeah. 04:58:55.380 --> 04:58:58.380 - Does it reduce our appropriations? 04:58:58.380 --> 04:59:06.720 - I didn't really know what you wanted to -- hold on. 04:59:06.720 --> 04:59:13.100 - I have to join the meeting so I can share this with you. 04:59:13.100 --> 04:59:22.540 - I wasn't 100% sure what you wanted in this resolution, so I started off with the baseline 04:59:22.540 --> 04:59:25.260 - of eliminating all the overtime lines. 04:59:25.260 --> 04:59:36.220 - Except for four because I went back and looked at meetings, there was a discussion to that 04:59:36.220 --> 04:59:40.820 - effect, I didn't just make that up. 04:59:40.820 --> 04:59:47.220 - Except for four, which was facilities with 24-hour operations, so sheriff, jail, YSB, 04:59:47.220 --> 04:59:58.740 - and then -- or department responsible for responding to natural disasters or cleanups, highways, 04:59:58.740 --> 05:00:02.380 - the department. 05:00:02.380 --> 05:00:13.700 - And then for those departments, there would be a reporting requirement so that they could 05:00:13.700 --> 05:00:18.820 - not -- ideally you would set the line at what you think their overtime expense would be 05:00:18.820 --> 05:00:24.700 - and then the resolution would restrict them from moving anything into that line without 05:00:24.700 --> 05:00:32.100 - coming to ask for approval from counsel. 05:00:32.100 --> 05:00:33.980 - I like the spirit of that. 05:00:33.980 --> 05:00:39.740 - And then I know Ms. Turner-King was trying to -- or join the meeting so she could share 05:00:39.740 --> 05:00:46.260 - her screen, so there -- and this discussion was, I think, from like week two of budget 05:00:46.260 --> 05:00:54.860 - hearing, where we were seeing an enormous amount of overtime lines coming to us. 05:00:54.860 --> 05:00:58.540 - And I think that was -- actually, I don't want to put words in her mouth, but Counselor 05:00:58.540 --> 05:01:06.380 - Hawke had mentioned something about making sure that we can have people come back to 05:01:06.380 --> 05:01:12.900 - the council instead of just being able to transfer into that particular lawn from other 05:01:12.900 --> 05:01:15.200 - lawn items in their budget. 05:01:15.200 --> 05:01:19.700 - So that was a conversation that was had, if I do recall. 05:01:19.700 --> 05:01:25.060 - So any other -- as we have Ms. Turner-King pulling that information up, does anybody 05:01:25.060 --> 05:01:28.380 - else have any other things that they wanted to add to that? 05:01:28.380 --> 05:01:33.700 - >> I would just say that also comports with my memory and also some of my concerns that 05:01:33.700 --> 05:01:39.860 - I would have over taking a one-size-fits-all approach to overtime, that there are those 05:01:39.860 --> 05:01:47.540 - departments that we need to be, you know, mindful of, and we could potentially include the airport 05:01:47.540 --> 05:01:54.860 - folks, but that's up for discussion and debate. 05:01:54.860 --> 05:01:57.460 - >> Yes, Counselor Decker. 05:01:57.460 --> 05:02:03.700 - >> I'm sorry, I was going to say I sent you guys a report or a link to the reports on 05:02:03.700 --> 05:02:08.500 - all of those, and we have made some progress on some of that. 05:02:08.500 --> 05:02:19.180 - So I might be able to filter if you want to see what the departments -- the departments 05:02:19.180 --> 05:02:27.260 - that you haven't done, you know, like is the jail, the sheriff. 05:02:27.260 --> 05:02:41.300 - There's animal control, there is the extradition, that one's $500, I can't remember whose extradition, 05:02:41.300 --> 05:02:44.620 - is that prosecutor? 05:02:44.620 --> 05:02:51.380 - I want to say it's prosecutor, but I'm not sure. 05:02:51.380 --> 05:02:59.660 - You've already taken care of the election fund, and that's it. 05:02:59.660 --> 05:03:05.620 - So I mean, all of the others that you really need to figure out what you want to do with 05:03:05.620 --> 05:03:09.340 - are the sheriff jail highway. 05:03:09.340 --> 05:03:12.340 - >> So I think Councillor Decker had his hand up. 05:03:12.340 --> 05:03:14.340 - So are you sure? 05:03:14.340 --> 05:03:15.340 - Okay. 05:03:15.340 --> 05:03:23.860 - Okay, so I'm just going to skip the whereas clauses, can we work on those and get to the 05:03:23.860 --> 05:03:25.240 - meat and bones here. 05:03:25.240 --> 05:03:32.660 - So under now therefore be it resolved, clause one would remove department budget over timelines 05:03:32.660 --> 05:03:39.020 - in all departments except for 24-hour operations, or departments responsible for responding 05:03:39.020 --> 05:03:41.180 - to weather conditions and/or natural disasters. 05:03:41.180 --> 05:03:47.980 - So the exempted departments are specifically sheriff, correctional, YSB and highway department. 05:03:47.980 --> 05:03:51.540 - Then it says for the exempted departments with an overtime budget the council expects 05:03:51.540 --> 05:03:58.380 - and encourages elected officials and/or department heads to judicially manage the overtime expense 05:03:58.380 --> 05:04:03.640 - for those departments the council implements the following requirements if within these 05:04:03.640 --> 05:04:07.460 - departments a need arises to conduct a transfer involving an overtime line. 05:04:07.460 --> 05:04:10.140 - So transfer in or out. 05:04:10.140 --> 05:04:15.060 - The elected official wishing to make the transfer will request to be on a council agenda to 05:04:15.060 --> 05:04:18.340 - have their in-house transfer approved. 05:04:18.340 --> 05:04:22.620 - It's the elected official or department head's responsibility to submit their additional 05:04:22.620 --> 05:04:27.460 - appropriation request in accordance with council deadlines and before the overtime line is 05:04:27.460 --> 05:04:28.980 - fully expended. 05:04:28.980 --> 05:04:33.700 - And then when they, along with their agenda request, I put some things in that I think 05:04:33.700 --> 05:04:41.340 - might be helpful for you guys, which includes the number of overtime hours used by the department 05:04:41.340 --> 05:04:42.660 - as of the date of request. 05:04:42.660 --> 05:04:44.280 - So what have they used? 05:04:44.280 --> 05:04:46.100 - What is the cost of what they used? 05:04:46.100 --> 05:04:47.180 - That's two. 05:04:47.180 --> 05:04:49.000 - Three is why did they use it? 05:04:49.000 --> 05:04:50.700 - So the reasons. 05:04:50.700 --> 05:04:54.320 - Four, the amount of anticipated need in the overtime line. 05:04:54.320 --> 05:04:56.380 - So how much are they asking for? 05:04:56.380 --> 05:04:58.600 - Why are they asking for it is five. 05:04:58.600 --> 05:05:02.780 - And then the number of comp time hours accrued by the department so you can maybe get an 05:05:02.780 --> 05:05:07.260 - idea of comp time usage versus overtime. 05:05:07.260 --> 05:05:08.260 - Okay. 05:05:08.260 --> 05:05:09.260 - Yes. 05:05:09.260 --> 05:05:10.260 - Councilor Wills. 05:05:10.260 --> 05:05:15.420 - I have a couple of questions, actually. 05:05:15.420 --> 05:05:22.820 - Do all of the departments with overtime lines have comp timelines as well? 05:05:22.820 --> 05:05:25.120 - I think it depends on the position. 05:05:25.120 --> 05:05:32.500 - So if you think about the, for example, there was a line in the sheriff's budget for administrative 05:05:32.500 --> 05:05:36.100 - positions overtime, those would have comp time. 05:05:36.100 --> 05:05:50.180 - I'm not sure about the deputies, they get comp time. 05:05:50.180 --> 05:05:58.020 - The other question I have is about the airport, which Councilor Iverson mentioned, they do 05:05:58.020 --> 05:06:06.620 - not have overtime, they have comp time, but they have an inordinate amount of banked comp 05:06:06.620 --> 05:06:08.620 - time. 05:06:08.620 --> 05:06:15.940 - And I've spoken with Carlos about this and kind of asking why, they respond to weather 05:06:15.940 --> 05:06:24.580 - emergencies and they have required late night obligations and they have a staff of eight, 05:06:24.580 --> 05:06:28.140 - so they're not able to spread that out over everything. 05:06:28.140 --> 05:06:35.700 - I think as much as Carlos may hate me for suggesting that he manage overtime, it might 05:06:35.700 --> 05:06:44.700 - be a better use of that department's resources to have overtime as an option. 05:06:44.700 --> 05:06:51.420 - And I say that because if you look at the comp time report, aviation is very high and 05:06:51.420 --> 05:06:57.660 - although we don't have to pay that right now, we do have to pay that at some point. 05:06:57.660 --> 05:07:04.740 - And I don't know what that means, you know, in terms of setting their hours or limits, 05:07:04.740 --> 05:07:09.460 - we would need to take a quick look, but, you know. 05:07:09.460 --> 05:07:10.460 - >> Counselor Henry. 05:07:10.460 --> 05:07:11.460 - >> Thank you. 05:07:11.460 --> 05:07:13.620 - I guess that was for my -- that was where I was going to go next. 05:07:13.620 --> 05:07:18.220 - So when an employee leaves, just to refresh my memory, what fund does the comp time come 05:07:18.220 --> 05:07:19.900 - out of when it's cashed out? 05:07:19.900 --> 05:07:24.380 - >> It comes out of the fund that they are in. 05:07:24.380 --> 05:07:28.460 - So like for aviation, it comes out of the aviation fund. 05:07:28.460 --> 05:07:29.460 - >> Okay. 05:07:29.460 --> 05:07:35.700 - So that, and then is there a use it or lose it on this for -- 05:07:35.700 --> 05:07:36.700 - >> For comp time. 05:07:36.700 --> 05:07:37.700 - >> Okay. 05:07:37.700 --> 05:07:42.660 - Well, those are probably two things we probably need to address down the pike in terms of 05:07:42.660 --> 05:07:47.940 - how much you can use it within a fiscal or within a month, which is kind of standard 05:07:47.940 --> 05:07:50.700 - practice in the private sector. 05:07:50.700 --> 05:07:55.940 - >> That's in the personnel policy said by the commissioners, the prosecutor, and presiding 05:07:55.940 --> 05:07:56.940 - judge. 05:07:56.940 --> 05:08:02.820 - I know that it currently caps employees at 40 hours of comp time and there was discussions 05:08:02.820 --> 05:08:09.180 - on moving it to 60 hours, and that's to mimic one of our collective bargaining units. 05:08:09.180 --> 05:08:15.180 - And so I need to revisit with those three entities if we're increasing the number of hours that 05:08:15.180 --> 05:08:18.740 - employees can bank as far as comp time. 05:08:18.740 --> 05:08:22.460 - >> Councilor Iverson. 05:08:22.460 --> 05:08:26.980 - >> That raises another point that I wanted to make sure we touched on here. 05:08:26.980 --> 05:08:35.300 - The two departments that use the most overtime, the budgets, is the jail and MVH, motor vehicle 05:08:35.300 --> 05:08:36.300 - highway. 05:08:36.300 --> 05:08:37.300 - Election. 05:08:37.300 --> 05:08:45.020 - >> I'm not sure if it's the jail and I think it might be correctional and then the sheriff's 05:08:45.020 --> 05:08:47.360 - office. 05:08:47.360 --> 05:08:50.860 - >> That's fine because that continues to make my point. 05:08:50.860 --> 05:08:56.020 - We have to contend with collective bargaining with some of this, don't we? 05:08:56.020 --> 05:08:57.020 - >> Correct. 05:08:57.020 --> 05:09:02.260 - And as a reminder, it is a highway collective bargaining year and we're in the process of 05:09:02.260 --> 05:09:04.020 - working on that bargaining agreement. 05:09:04.020 --> 05:09:09.380 - I know that Mr. Cockrell last spoke with the bargaining unit on what they would like to 05:09:09.380 --> 05:09:10.380 - see. 05:09:10.380 --> 05:09:15.580 - And there's some clauses in there I think we need to readdress and one of them specifically 05:09:15.580 --> 05:09:19.260 - is the overtime. 05:09:19.260 --> 05:09:26.340 - Because for highway, there's a clause that indicates that depending on whether they're 05:09:26.340 --> 05:09:32.540 - in regular hours or summer hours, they get a minimum payout of four to five hours of 05:09:32.540 --> 05:09:40.180 - overtime even if they're out for 15 minutes. 05:09:40.180 --> 05:09:44.340 - That's a standard clause in most of our collective bargaining agreements that there's a minimum 05:09:44.340 --> 05:09:46.540 - callout time payout. 05:09:46.540 --> 05:09:56.380 - Now the minimum hours differ amongst the collective bargaining agreements. 05:09:56.380 --> 05:09:59.900 - >> I think I remember this from talking with the sheriff's deputies. 05:09:59.900 --> 05:10:12.620 - It's basically to make it worth their time to have come in on a completely -- on shift 05:10:12.620 --> 05:10:16.380 - day or -- >> I think that -- I mean, for the sheriff's 05:10:16.380 --> 05:10:22.740 - office, if it's canceled within an X amount of time, they don't get the minimum, but usually 05:10:22.740 --> 05:10:28.580 - it takes them some time to get ready and like come across the county, and so it was to compensate 05:10:28.580 --> 05:10:34.700 - once a certain period of time elapsed, that they were technically going to get paid a minimum 05:10:34.700 --> 05:10:37.700 - amount of hours. 05:10:37.700 --> 05:10:39.820 - >> Okay. 05:10:39.820 --> 05:10:49.420 - I also want to look at the time, too, because it is now 1043, and so we've done a lot of 05:10:49.420 --> 05:10:55.460 - work tonight, and again, this isn't necessarily -- I know we knew it was going to be a long 05:10:55.460 --> 05:11:02.220 - conversation, but I just want to just remind us of the time, and staff time, as well as 05:11:02.220 --> 05:11:07.660 - we are in this meeting, so yes, speaking of overtime, that's it. 05:11:07.660 --> 05:11:08.660 - Ding. 05:11:08.660 --> 05:11:10.060 - Yes, Ms. Sterneke. 05:11:10.060 --> 05:11:14.140 - >> I'm happy to send this draft resolution to council for review, and then we can revisit 05:11:14.140 --> 05:11:16.940 - it on the 23rd or whenever. 05:11:16.940 --> 05:11:25.820 - I think that is something that would be helpful, so that we can come back next week and take 05:11:25.820 --> 05:11:30.500 - a look into this as well, so yes, Councillor Henry. 05:11:30.500 --> 05:11:35.260 - >> It's a point of information maybe being -- I'll just put on my new person hat, so 05:11:35.260 --> 05:11:42.740 - do we have what's necessary for posting or publishing at this point, because I understand 05:11:42.740 --> 05:11:47.020 - folks are tired, but we have a calendar to meet. 05:11:47.020 --> 05:11:48.020 - So are we there? 05:11:48.020 --> 05:11:49.020 - >> Yes, Ms. Gregory. 05:11:49.020 --> 05:11:56.020 - >> If I may, yes, actually, we were just conferring about that. 05:11:56.020 --> 05:12:01.620 - If there are any funds that need to be advertised that aren't currently budgeted, we need to 05:12:01.620 --> 05:12:05.140 - be aware of that if you want them to go through this process and not have to do additional 05:12:05.140 --> 05:12:07.980 - appropriations in January. 05:12:07.980 --> 05:12:19.960 - So any funds that you are considering utilizing, we just need some direction on that. 05:12:19.960 --> 05:12:23.000 - >> We're utilizing all of them. 05:12:23.000 --> 05:12:30.180 - >> Talking funds that we haven't in the past, like for economic development or other things 05:12:30.180 --> 05:12:32.440 - like that. 05:12:32.440 --> 05:12:43.340 - >> So food and beverage is one that we have talked about, and at some point we need to 05:12:43.340 --> 05:12:51.540 - talk about what could be moved into food and beverage, and we need to talk about that with 05:12:51.540 --> 05:12:52.540 - the commissioners. 05:12:52.540 --> 05:13:06.260 - >> Of course, the FABTAC would have to do that, but before the FABTAC, I think the commissioners 05:13:06.260 --> 05:13:12.260 - and council would need to discuss. 05:13:12.260 --> 05:13:15.940 - >> Ms. Gregory. 05:13:15.940 --> 05:13:26.100 - >> I know currently existing in the plan is parks and recreation, however, there's also 05:13:26.100 --> 05:13:27.260 - potential for aviation. 05:13:27.260 --> 05:13:31.300 - I know that legal would have to bless that, obviously, all the groups would have to agree, 05:13:31.300 --> 05:13:35.540 - but those are the two areas that we were pondering. 05:13:35.540 --> 05:13:42.620 - >> Food and beverage tax, because this is also something that I feel like I have this 05:13:42.620 --> 05:13:49.940 - in my notes, too, because we know that rural transit has to come back around again, that 05:13:49.940 --> 05:13:59.940 - might be grasping for straws, because would that be something that we could also use food 05:13:59.940 --> 05:14:01.940 - and beverage tax dollars for? 05:14:01.940 --> 05:14:07.660 - >> I'm going to defer to legal. 05:14:07.660 --> 05:14:14.780 - Sorry, I was briefly talking about food and beverage with Mr. Cockrell today, and I think 05:14:14.780 --> 05:14:21.300 - we can write a memo and send it to council if we kind of have an idea of what expenses 05:14:21.300 --> 05:14:23.220 - you were looking at putting in there. 05:14:23.220 --> 05:14:27.660 - So if you wanted to email me what you were thinking, I will gladly write a memo, because 05:14:27.660 --> 05:14:34.980 - I think it's going to be fact-dependent on what the expense is, if we can argue for it 05:14:34.980 --> 05:14:36.700 - to go into food and beverage. 05:14:36.700 --> 05:14:37.700 - >> Okay. 05:14:37.700 --> 05:14:38.700 - Yes, Councillor Decker. 05:14:38.700 --> 05:14:45.980 - >> Well, I was just going to say, between parks and the airport alone, I think you could 05:14:45.980 --> 05:14:53.740 - make an extremely credible case about those being highly impactful destinations that complement 05:14:53.740 --> 05:14:55.620 - regional destinations as well. 05:14:55.620 --> 05:15:01.020 - I mean, good heavens the airport had more guest airplanes out there two weekends ago 05:15:01.020 --> 05:15:02.660 - than you could shake a stick at. 05:15:02.660 --> 05:15:07.220 - Andrew and I were taking selfies with every one of them. 05:15:07.220 --> 05:15:13.380 - And that kind of artfulness will be what we have to do to get through some of this. 05:15:13.380 --> 05:15:15.420 - >> Yes, Councillor. 05:15:15.420 --> 05:15:21.060 - >> So the only question is, we have to advertise that. 05:15:21.060 --> 05:15:22.060 - That's the timeline. 05:15:22.060 --> 05:15:25.420 - So it's either -- it's not happening tonight because of the meetings we have to do with 05:15:25.420 --> 05:15:28.300 - commissioners and the food and beverage tax board, right? 05:15:28.300 --> 05:15:31.060 - So that's not going to be on the table for advertising. 05:15:31.060 --> 05:15:32.060 - Is that correct? 05:15:32.060 --> 05:15:33.060 - We have a timeline here. 05:15:33.060 --> 05:15:41.060 - So I'm just trying to understand how we can get there if we're going to use that resource. 05:15:41.060 --> 05:15:48.540 - >> I -- this is not a situation I've been -- that's come before us in the past. 05:15:48.540 --> 05:15:55.460 - So I think it would be presumptuous to advertise and we could just appropriate in 2026 if that 05:15:55.460 --> 05:15:56.460 - were to happen. 05:15:56.460 --> 05:15:57.460 - I don't know exactly. 05:15:57.460 --> 05:15:58.460 - I'm sorry. 05:15:58.460 --> 05:16:09.580 - >> I just wanted to remind you that Highway is proposing putting some things into stormwater, 05:16:09.580 --> 05:16:15.860 - but they're not going to have a stormwater meeting until later this month. 05:16:15.860 --> 05:16:19.220 - But it will be prior to the public hearing. 05:16:19.220 --> 05:16:28.140 - So there will be hopefully some movement with regards to MVH, you know, positions as well. 05:16:28.140 --> 05:16:34.140 - So -- and I've already talked to the auditor, we're going to have to just assume that we're 05:16:34.140 --> 05:16:38.780 - going to be moving things and so we're going to have to advertise high enough for stormwater 05:16:38.780 --> 05:16:39.780 - as well. 05:16:39.780 --> 05:16:40.780 - So -- 05:16:40.780 --> 05:16:41.780 - >> Yeah. 05:16:41.780 --> 05:16:42.780 - Ms. Gregory? 05:16:42.780 --> 05:16:43.780 - >> One more thought. 05:16:43.780 --> 05:16:50.620 - I'm not sure if there's an appetite to advertise the local health maintenance fund and local 05:16:50.620 --> 05:16:51.900 - health department trust account. 05:16:51.900 --> 05:16:54.920 - I know we have some things budgeted in there. 05:16:54.920 --> 05:17:01.340 - So should we advertise at the cash balance then, probably, so you can consider more if 05:17:01.340 --> 05:17:02.340 - it's appropriate? 05:17:02.340 --> 05:17:03.340 - >> I would think so. 05:17:03.340 --> 05:17:04.340 - >> Okay. 05:17:04.340 --> 05:17:05.340 - >> Again, I think the goal is to advertise -- 05:17:05.340 --> 05:17:06.340 - >> As high as possible? 05:17:06.340 --> 05:17:07.340 - >> Yes. 05:17:07.340 --> 05:17:08.340 - >> Okay. 05:17:08.340 --> 05:17:09.340 - >> Not necessarily saying that's where we're going. 05:17:09.340 --> 05:17:13.900 - But again, just to be on the safe side, yeah, that would be helpful. 05:17:13.900 --> 05:17:19.060 - >> Hearing that, then do you want us to advertise food and beverage or not at this time? 05:17:19.060 --> 05:17:26.220 - >> That's a different way to get people upset with you, yeah, I don't think that's different. 05:17:26.220 --> 05:17:32.480 - >> Because you have to get the board to agree to it and remember it has to be the commissioners 05:17:32.480 --> 05:17:34.460 - that go to ask for it. 05:17:34.460 --> 05:17:35.460 - >> Correct. 05:17:35.460 --> 05:17:44.060 - So the idea is maybe Ms. Turner-King had mentioned that she can work on a memo with Mr. Cockrell. 05:17:44.060 --> 05:17:50.720 - So the idea is if we have any ideas related to food and beverage tax in the meantime. 05:17:50.720 --> 05:17:57.220 - So we won't do any, because we don't want to make people upset. 05:17:57.220 --> 05:18:04.700 - The idea is to send Ms. Turner-King information related to what you think what could possibly 05:18:04.700 --> 05:18:07.220 - be used for food and beverage. 05:18:07.220 --> 05:18:12.780 - When would you like to have that information by? 05:18:12.780 --> 05:18:14.220 - >> The sooner the better. 05:18:14.220 --> 05:18:16.420 - I've already been looking at the statute. 05:18:16.420 --> 05:18:22.740 - So I can start applying it to potential -- >> Okay. 05:18:22.740 --> 05:18:25.900 - So let's just get it to her as soon as possible. 05:18:25.900 --> 05:18:26.900 - Yes. 05:18:26.900 --> 05:18:27.900 - Counselor Hoppe. 05:18:27.900 --> 05:18:28.900 - >> Right. 05:18:28.900 --> 05:18:39.940 - At what point are we going to or are we going to consider a pause on hiring, you know, just 05:18:39.940 --> 05:18:43.180 - to get the information out there? 05:18:43.180 --> 05:18:45.300 - >> Well, I do want to kind of bring us back to the circle here. 05:18:45.300 --> 05:18:49.420 - We did have a discussion to open -- we had a motion on the floor to open up conversation 05:18:49.420 --> 05:18:54.220 - related to -- no, no, no, no, no, but that's a good point. 05:18:54.220 --> 05:18:57.140 - So I just -- Counselor Iverson reminded me of that. 05:18:57.140 --> 05:18:59.700 - So we do have a motion on the floor. 05:18:59.700 --> 05:19:03.180 - And then that is something that we can go to next. 05:19:03.180 --> 05:19:11.820 - So the motion was to have the discussion and open up related to overtime. 05:19:11.820 --> 05:19:13.860 - So we did that. 05:19:13.860 --> 05:19:22.300 - Yeah, so -- >> And we took a left turn somewhere. 05:19:22.300 --> 05:19:30.660 - >> Yeah, I think we kind of wrapped that up with Ms. King's doing a resolution that she's 05:19:30.660 --> 05:19:37.680 - going to send to us and we're going to maybe look at it next week, or yeah, next week. 05:19:37.680 --> 05:19:39.660 - And then you are trying to move us along. 05:19:39.660 --> 05:19:42.540 - >> I'm so trying to do so. 05:19:42.540 --> 05:19:43.540 - So yeah. 05:19:43.540 --> 05:19:47.500 - >> So that was just to open up for a discussion. 05:19:47.500 --> 05:19:49.260 - You guys have had your discussion. 05:19:49.260 --> 05:19:51.940 - You guys know what to do so we can move on. 05:19:51.940 --> 05:19:52.940 - >> Okay. 05:19:52.940 --> 05:19:53.940 - So moving along. 05:19:53.940 --> 05:20:02.980 - So to Councilor Honk's point, would you like to restate your point? 05:20:02.980 --> 05:20:12.900 - >> I just think, and we've been thinking about this since we had that long-term finance meeting, 05:20:12.900 --> 05:20:20.660 - that we should put a major pause on doing anything until we could see where we were going to be. 05:20:20.660 --> 05:20:25.940 - Last May we are in a worse shape than what we thought we were going to be in, or at least 05:20:25.940 --> 05:20:28.620 - I think we are. 05:20:28.620 --> 05:20:30.580 - This is tough. 05:20:30.580 --> 05:20:41.580 - And to add more to the pain by filling slots and so forth, I think we might want to just 05:20:41.580 --> 05:20:50.140 - put a temporary hiring freeze on so we'll know where we are and hopefully the departments 05:20:50.140 --> 05:20:58.340 - will understand that if we fill these slots, it might be at some point in the not too distant 05:20:58.340 --> 05:21:01.180 - future that we won't be able to keep everybody. 05:21:01.180 --> 05:21:06.500 - I mean, that sounds difficult. 05:21:06.500 --> 05:21:11.340 - I don't want us to get to that point. 05:21:11.340 --> 05:21:12.340 - >> Councillor Iverson. 05:21:12.340 --> 05:21:19.500 - >> Well, I completely agree that that is -- I don't want us to get to that point either, 05:21:19.500 --> 05:21:27.740 - but I think it's probably prudent that we ask the legal -- our legal counsel to -- we've 05:21:27.740 --> 05:21:33.580 - done this before, and something drafted might be what's on call here. 05:21:33.580 --> 05:21:38.580 - >> Well, in anticipation of this very conversation, I have a draft that I will be emailing you. 05:21:38.580 --> 05:21:40.940 - >> Well, there you go. 05:21:40.940 --> 05:21:49.300 - >> And we'll go ahead and do that immediately, nothing further, and then we'll make the final 05:21:49.300 --> 05:21:53.740 - decision when we receive the draft, because by the time we meet again, there could be 05:21:53.740 --> 05:22:02.460 - five more people hired, or six, or whatever. 05:22:02.460 --> 05:22:08.860 - >> So before anybody hires, they send us a letter, an email. 05:22:08.860 --> 05:22:15.300 - So let's watch our emails. 05:22:15.300 --> 05:22:21.540 - And yeah, I think once we pass it, it would be -- if we're passing a resolution that is 05:22:21.540 --> 05:22:27.020 - a hiring freeze, it is prudent to make it effective immediately. 05:22:27.020 --> 05:22:31.820 - >> Yes. 05:22:31.820 --> 05:22:37.960 - >> But then also time-sensitive, right, you want it to sunset or have the option for counsel 05:22:37.960 --> 05:22:43.060 - to reconsider at some point, which I'm sure is in what's going to be emailed to us. 05:22:43.060 --> 05:22:44.480 - >> Yes. 05:22:44.480 --> 05:22:53.220 - So the idea is Ms. Turner-King will take a look into -- or she will send that to counsel, 05:22:53.220 --> 05:23:01.220 - and then we will discuss that also in the same breath that we will have for next Tuesday. 05:23:01.220 --> 05:23:06.620 - But I guess in the meantime, anybody that has any objections, kind of like what we were 05:23:06.620 --> 05:23:13.340 - doing earlier this year, where since we were doing, you know, with the pack pause and whatnot, 05:23:13.340 --> 05:23:17.460 - is to, like, object, and then that has to come to the counsel. 05:23:17.460 --> 05:23:24.420 - So that is something that we can definitely do, and I get Counselor Hawks's point. 05:23:24.420 --> 05:23:25.980 - So yes. 05:23:25.980 --> 05:23:26.980 - Counsel Henry. 05:23:26.980 --> 05:23:31.420 - >> Are we ready to move on from this because I had maybe some other housekeeping for the 05:23:31.420 --> 05:23:32.900 - advertising to bring up? 05:23:32.900 --> 05:23:33.900 - >> I had one. 05:23:33.900 --> 05:23:39.380 - >> I want to make sure that we have everybody that has -- so, yes, Counsel Henry. 05:23:39.380 --> 05:23:48.580 - >> I had one related item to that, and that is I think we very seriously need to consider 05:23:48.580 --> 05:23:56.020 - suspending or minimizing or taking a much smaller rate, pausing our with services. 05:23:56.020 --> 05:23:57.860 - We are on a pack freeze. 05:23:57.860 --> 05:24:00.220 - We're talking about a hiring freeze. 05:24:00.220 --> 05:24:08.360 - The council has to demonstrate alongside everyone else, sacrifice, and we can't -- if things 05:24:08.360 --> 05:24:14.100 - are as they say, we can't be the only county having that sort of issue, and I don't know 05:24:14.100 --> 05:24:18.780 - frankly how we could be engaging them much in good conscience, and I don't ever hear 05:24:18.780 --> 05:24:20.180 - them come up right now. 05:24:20.180 --> 05:24:26.980 - I'm not saying that they don't come back into the factor, but I just cannot see expending 05:24:26.980 --> 05:24:30.500 - dollars towards something that's just not doing it. 05:24:30.500 --> 05:24:33.780 - PAC's not really had anything in a while. 05:24:33.780 --> 05:24:40.100 - So we need to figure that out if that's a possibility, and if it's not, maybe needs 05:24:40.100 --> 05:24:42.100 - to be some form of it. 05:24:42.100 --> 05:24:45.700 - >> And that's on Ms. Turner-Keene. 05:24:45.700 --> 05:24:50.740 - >> Just for clarity, we're currently not getting a WISP invoice with the pack freeze, so as 05:24:50.740 --> 05:24:56.380 - long as the pack freeze is in place, it in essence has frozen our WISP spending. 05:24:56.380 --> 05:25:01.500 - >> So the current budget before us, that's not a factor? 05:25:01.500 --> 05:25:03.100 - >> It's in the budget, I think. 05:25:03.100 --> 05:25:08.260 - >> Yes, it's in the budget because I budgeted because I didn't know if we were going to 05:25:08.260 --> 05:25:10.300 - continue the PAC pause or not. 05:25:10.300 --> 05:25:15.380 - >> So I think one conversation council needs to consider is that PAC freeze resolution 05:25:15.380 --> 05:25:20.940 - sunsets and whether you're extending it and to what degree it would be extended. 05:25:20.940 --> 05:25:27.500 - >> I just think if we've got that in that line, that can come down considerably, because 05:25:27.500 --> 05:25:30.220 - these days we talk more FSG than WIS. 05:25:30.220 --> 05:25:35.500 - >> Yeah, and I would agree, and I think that's another thing that needs to be brought up 05:25:35.500 --> 05:25:42.780 - if we're underneath the same tone of talking about a higher end freeze is that we also 05:25:42.780 --> 05:25:49.260 - need to continue on with the KSA and the PAC pause just the same. 05:25:49.260 --> 05:26:00.540 - >> And to this point, we are budgeting $30,000 for WIS in the 2026 budget, and that is put 05:26:00.540 --> 05:26:07.580 - in place such that if we do all of a sudden need it, we can use it, but we're not using 05:26:07.580 --> 05:26:08.580 - it. 05:26:08.580 --> 05:26:19.140 - So to Ms. Turner-King's point, if we don't sunset the PAC pause and we extend it for another 05:26:19.140 --> 05:26:24.500 - year, that might be a decision that this body makes before adoption so that we can change 05:26:24.500 --> 05:26:26.300 - that WIS number. 05:26:26.300 --> 05:26:30.740 - And maybe not taking it down to zero, that makes me a little nervous, but reducing it 05:26:30.740 --> 05:26:31.740 - by a little bit. 05:26:31.740 --> 05:26:39.140 - Well, I have our contractual, it's set at 60,000, I've got it on the screen. 05:26:39.140 --> 05:26:46.420 - So 30,000 is for FSG, 30,000 is for WIS because that's about what we would run through a year. 05:26:46.420 --> 05:26:53.820 - So I mean, if you want to just take it down to 30,000 and then if for some reason I need 05:26:53.820 --> 05:26:59.500 - to come back, then I'll just have to come back or move things around the best I can. 05:26:59.500 --> 05:27:00.500 - So moved. 05:27:00.500 --> 05:27:01.500 - Second. 05:27:01.500 --> 05:27:02.500 - All right. 05:27:02.500 --> 05:27:12.860 - So we got a motion and a second on reducing line 3006 contractual down to 30. 05:27:12.860 --> 05:27:16.980 - Is there any additional comments, questions or concerns on this? 05:27:16.980 --> 05:27:17.980 - Thank you, Kim Schell. 05:27:17.980 --> 05:27:18.980 - All right. 05:27:18.980 --> 05:27:24.060 - Seeing none, all those in favor of reducing this line item to 30,000 signify by saying 05:27:24.060 --> 05:27:25.060 - aye. 05:27:25.060 --> 05:27:26.060 - Aye. 05:27:26.060 --> 05:27:27.060 - All those opposed, same sign. 05:27:27.060 --> 05:27:32.820 - All right, so I know before I go to Councilor Henry, since he had something else that he 05:27:32.820 --> 05:27:38.820 - wanted to move on to related to housekeeping and the advertising rates, is there anything 05:27:38.820 --> 05:27:42.820 - else related to this item that anybody wanted to make comment on? 05:27:42.820 --> 05:27:43.820 - Nope. 05:27:43.820 --> 05:27:44.820 - Okay. 05:27:44.820 --> 05:27:45.820 - So Councilor Henry. 05:27:45.820 --> 05:27:50.780 - So again, in the spirit of cleaning up for advertising, so there are some other lit to 05:27:50.780 --> 05:27:51.780 - talk about. 05:27:51.780 --> 05:27:58.940 - There's Corrections Lit, there's Special Purpose Lit, and there's the Edit. 05:27:58.940 --> 05:28:05.660 - If we're going to utilize those funds, I suppose we'd have to advertise that this week too. 05:28:05.660 --> 05:28:10.580 - So I would just raise it to my fellow Councilors if we're looking to tap into any of that to 05:28:10.580 --> 05:28:17.980 - balance either the Service Bureau or, yeah, Corrections Lit, Edit. 05:28:17.980 --> 05:28:29.100 - I think the goal is, because of the cash balance that was in the Special Purpose Lit, that 05:28:29.100 --> 05:28:31.380 - is something that we should keep an eye on. 05:28:31.380 --> 05:28:35.500 - I don't, and I'll look to the Auditor's Office for guidance on this too. 05:28:35.500 --> 05:28:40.700 - I think definitely next year that's something that we need to revisit, but do you think 05:28:40.700 --> 05:28:47.100 - that is something that we need to do as of right now? 05:28:47.100 --> 05:28:52.980 - I don't, I don't think we should, as we know it's put aside for a specific purpose. 05:28:52.980 --> 05:28:55.620 - I just need direction if you'd like me to proceed. 05:28:55.620 --> 05:29:02.220 - So it sounds like no, collectively, but I'm just looking for a direction so we have everything 05:29:02.220 --> 05:29:04.600 - necessary ready to go. 05:29:04.600 --> 05:29:09.700 - So we say no to the Special Purpose, then that's definitely a pin that we need to put 05:29:09.700 --> 05:29:18.420 - into next year for 2027 conversation, because I remember that coming up next or last week 05:29:18.420 --> 05:29:21.680 - about us being mindful of that balance. 05:29:21.680 --> 05:29:29.100 - So in terms of edit, is there any appetite, since we did hear it mentioned, I believe 05:29:29.100 --> 05:29:38.200 - in night one or two a budget to kind of dip into edit for some of the items here. 05:29:38.200 --> 05:29:49.060 - So let's say you counsel, I mean, I guess the worst case scenario is we advertise it 05:29:49.060 --> 05:29:50.940 - and we don't use it. 05:29:50.940 --> 05:29:57.100 - And so I think that is the goal there is to say, we just put we're putting all the cards 05:29:57.100 --> 05:30:02.260 - on the table, and to say that we're trying to look at any and everything to kind of do 05:30:02.260 --> 05:30:09.660 - all the moving pieces, however, if we don't use it, it's okay. 05:30:09.660 --> 05:30:11.540 - So yes, counselor, everything. 05:30:11.540 --> 05:30:18.980 - And I just I want to reiterate that we have in the past earmarked that for bonding purposes 05:30:18.980 --> 05:30:26.420 - for the justice center, and I will remind counsel that at a unanimous vote, the commissioners 05:30:26.420 --> 05:30:33.260 - approved the architectural designs, and so that we are making those decisions in in that 05:30:33.260 --> 05:30:34.260 - environment. 05:30:34.260 --> 05:30:39.420 - And, and so I just want to remind Council President Crossley, you're absolutely right. 05:30:39.420 --> 05:30:43.300 - We can advertise and end up not using it or we can use it. 05:30:43.300 --> 05:30:47.820 - You know, I think that needs to be said that that we are in that environment. 05:30:47.820 --> 05:30:48.820 - Yes. 05:30:48.820 --> 05:30:49.820 - Yes, counselor. 05:30:49.820 --> 05:30:50.820 - Thank you. 05:30:50.820 --> 05:30:51.820 - I think the good news is tonight. 05:30:51.820 --> 05:30:56.080 - You know, we have packed away at a deficit, but we still have a deficit budget. 05:30:56.080 --> 05:31:01.820 - So at some point, we have sequester or recovered funds in the county that previous councils 05:31:01.820 --> 05:31:05.600 - have you have voted on, but there's a new iteration of council, there's two new members 05:31:05.600 --> 05:31:09.340 - here and everything has changed since that election. 05:31:09.340 --> 05:31:14.540 - And so, so we have a lot of circumstances, not least of which the proposed cost of the 05:31:14.540 --> 05:31:16.620 - facility since November of last year. 05:31:16.620 --> 05:31:18.900 - So I'm not going to live in the past on this. 05:31:18.900 --> 05:31:19.900 - I wasn't here. 05:31:19.900 --> 05:31:24.580 - I was a different human than as chair of a political party vehemently against building 05:31:24.580 --> 05:31:29.030 - the size of the facility, citing our own Democratic National Committee standards on what 05:31:29.030 --> 05:31:29.740 - alternative 05:31:29.740 --> 05:31:32.240 - justice and restorative justice looks like. 05:31:32.240 --> 05:31:33.240 - So that's not settled. 05:31:33.240 --> 05:31:38.420 - But what is what we have before us is a budget sitting here with a hole in it. 05:31:38.420 --> 05:31:41.700 - And we have some instruments available to us. 05:31:41.700 --> 05:31:46.300 - It may just be advertising it, we may fill that gap as departments realize that we're 05:31:46.300 --> 05:31:50.260 - considering using some of those instruments and close that gap. 05:31:50.260 --> 05:31:55.800 - But I think I think I appreciate counsel Iverson's comment, but at the same time, I wasn't here 05:31:55.800 --> 05:31:56.800 - to vote for that. 05:31:56.800 --> 05:32:00.340 - And it's just it's a it's a it's a things have changed. 05:32:00.340 --> 05:32:01.340 - So that's it. 05:32:01.340 --> 05:32:02.340 - Yes. 05:32:02.340 --> 05:32:03.340 - Councillor Hawke. 05:32:03.340 --> 05:32:11.180 - Yes, I, I don't have an objection to proceeding with advertising for that, but I would like 05:32:11.180 --> 05:32:18.660 - very much just to make certain that we don't try to put personnel in there. 05:32:18.660 --> 05:32:25.420 - We cannot grow our personnel expenses out of pulling at something that's going to save 05:32:25.420 --> 05:32:32.940 - us for the day, because there's that personal expense will be still in place the year thereafter. 05:32:32.940 --> 05:32:35.700 - And this fund is going to be used for something else entirely. 05:32:35.700 --> 05:32:42.820 - I mean, I, you know, even if you pulled out rainy day for a major, you know, some kind 05:32:42.820 --> 05:32:50.540 - of problem, but it cannot go for trying to keep the race in place or trying to keep the 05:32:50.540 --> 05:32:53.100 - number of employees. 05:32:53.100 --> 05:32:59.860 - It really cannot, because we're just digging the hole deeper. 05:32:59.860 --> 05:33:06.940 - It was, yeah, that's a, that's a good point. 05:33:06.940 --> 05:33:14.340 - So yes, so is there any objection to counsel to advertise it again? 05:33:14.340 --> 05:33:21.640 - This is not saying that we're all in agreement of using it for whatever reason we possibly 05:33:21.640 --> 05:33:23.340 - could use it for. 05:33:23.340 --> 05:33:27.340 - But to advertise it is something that we can do. 05:33:27.340 --> 05:33:31.500 - But I know that there is the appetite of counsel to kind of look at other funds and other ways 05:33:31.500 --> 05:33:33.940 - and means and maybe not use that. 05:33:33.940 --> 05:33:35.540 - Yes, Ms. Turner King. 05:33:35.540 --> 05:33:42.140 - And for clarity, I think it would help if the auditor had some direction when we advertise. 05:33:42.140 --> 05:33:49.020 - Do you want to edit and maybe even correctional lit advertised in all categories? 05:33:49.020 --> 05:33:52.300 - Because I know Councilor Hawk was just saying maybe not personnel. 05:33:52.300 --> 05:33:56.180 - So is it advertised in all categories? 05:33:56.180 --> 05:34:00.040 - As a just in case? 05:34:00.040 --> 05:34:08.540 - I mean, I think that would be a better way of doing that, again, not setting it as stone. 05:34:08.540 --> 05:34:17.060 - But that is yes, yes, my thought is just it's I think this would be enough wiggle room. 05:34:17.060 --> 05:34:22.300 - Like if I do $2 million in each category, for example, that should be plenty. 05:34:22.300 --> 05:34:23.860 - I'm sure you won't go anywhere near that. 05:34:23.860 --> 05:34:25.860 - But does that sound reasonable? 05:34:25.860 --> 05:34:26.860 - Okay. 05:34:26.860 --> 05:34:29.780 - Does anybody else have any objections? 05:34:29.780 --> 05:34:34.260 - I will not object to us putting options on the table. 05:34:34.260 --> 05:34:38.900 - But I appreciate very much what Council Iverson said to remind us of the larger picture. 05:34:38.900 --> 05:34:45.380 - And I was on that council and I was the president of that council that went after this plan 05:34:45.380 --> 05:34:51.200 - because for many years council struggled to get our correction facility moving and we 05:34:51.200 --> 05:34:52.380 - got it moving. 05:34:52.380 --> 05:34:57.100 - I want us to have every option on the table, but I also want us to be very careful with 05:34:57.100 --> 05:35:02.660 - what happens so much with taxing bodies and that is the bait and switch. 05:35:02.660 --> 05:35:09.780 - I get this here as I told tell you I get I take public comments and then we get down 05:35:09.780 --> 05:35:14.180 - the road and we go actually you know why I like to get little Debbie's when I go on my 05:35:14.180 --> 05:35:15.180 - lunch break. 05:35:15.180 --> 05:35:16.940 - So I'm going to spend it on that. 05:35:16.940 --> 05:35:24.660 - And I just want us to be very cautious about that because that's not what was said. 05:35:24.660 --> 05:35:26.300 - That's not what was promised. 05:35:26.300 --> 05:35:32.800 - Now the legislature has done some things clearly we're here tonight. 05:35:32.800 --> 05:35:38.100 - We have heard they may do some more things and I know that hope is not a strategy. 05:35:38.100 --> 05:35:43.140 - But one thing that is a strategy that we've done very well tonight is we've worked through 05:35:43.140 --> 05:35:48.460 - one of the biggest problems I've ever seen this have in reducing this number counselor 05:35:48.460 --> 05:35:54.180 - Henry counselor Iverson and others have really come through with numbers I think that there's 05:35:54.180 --> 05:35:57.700 - probably more numbers in here yet to be found. 05:35:57.700 --> 05:36:02.700 - I also counsel I'll have to tell you, I hear a lot of people that want to eat everything 05:36:02.700 --> 05:36:06.580 - off of the menu and every different kind, but we can't run a restaurant with that big 05:36:06.580 --> 05:36:07.620 - a menu. 05:36:07.620 --> 05:36:12.300 - We have continuously said things that are priorities and that we've made new priorities 05:36:12.300 --> 05:36:14.480 - and new priorities and new priorities. 05:36:14.480 --> 05:36:20.540 - We have a minimum cash balance resolution that was made and crafted in in times that 05:36:20.540 --> 05:36:24.620 - said I'll hold a little bit for this and a little bit for that and then you have the 05:36:24.620 --> 05:36:29.540 - rainy day funds, and I have to tell you folks I'm not saying to plead that, and I appreciate 05:36:29.540 --> 05:36:35.820 - the chambers comment on on all this earlier to start the night, but you can't continue 05:36:35.820 --> 05:36:41.740 - to say that the preferences and the way that you order things are going to dictate things 05:36:41.740 --> 05:36:48.140 - so that you completely then begin to lose sight of things that have needed to be done 05:36:48.140 --> 05:36:54.340 - for decades here, right, and so I just, I don't want us to get that false assumption 05:36:54.340 --> 05:36:59.140 - I also don't want that bait and switch on taxation, because you know why out there that's 05:36:59.140 --> 05:37:04.660 - what they expect us to do, because that happens all the time, right, and not to belabor it 05:37:04.660 --> 05:37:07.940 - but it's late might as well stay a couple minutes more. 05:37:07.940 --> 05:37:12.740 - We've got a Congress that literally cannot ever pass a budget, and they're operating 05:37:12.740 --> 05:37:16.380 - in deficit and they've done things that will mess with us. 05:37:16.380 --> 05:37:20.060 - We've got a state that they just changed the rules as they go. 05:37:20.060 --> 05:37:22.100 - We have to get this done. 05:37:22.100 --> 05:37:25.180 - And we also have to face the people that need the services. 05:37:25.180 --> 05:37:30.060 - So we've just got to be very careful with all of that. 05:37:30.060 --> 05:37:35.740 - I'm always open for the option to if I had to crawl from here to the Ohio line over glass 05:37:35.740 --> 05:37:37.580 - I do for this county. 05:37:37.580 --> 05:37:44.540 - But that said, we got to be very careful about the convenient option that may not be as convenient 05:37:44.540 --> 05:37:50.500 - as what we promised. 05:37:50.500 --> 05:37:54.220 - Five, six million that we have to cut, I mean, where are we? 05:37:54.220 --> 05:37:55.220 - Carly. 05:37:55.220 --> 05:38:01.380 - Carly has it ready if you'd like to see it. 05:38:01.380 --> 05:38:02.380 - Yes. 05:38:02.380 --> 05:38:03.380 - Yeah. 05:38:03.380 --> 05:38:19.940 - Three million one seven one four four three. 05:38:19.940 --> 05:38:21.500 - Is that what you're looking for? 05:38:21.500 --> 05:38:22.500 - Okay. 05:38:22.500 --> 05:38:25.180 - Is that how much more we still have to cut? 05:38:25.180 --> 05:38:28.180 - No, that's the number that we've overall done. 05:38:28.180 --> 05:38:29.180 - She's plugging it in. 05:38:29.180 --> 05:38:53.600 - But I mean, just in that as we were like at six million. 05:38:53.600 --> 05:38:59.060 - You got to remember also that we're going to make that self insurance adjustment as well. 05:38:59.060 --> 05:39:00.060 - So that's going to bring. 05:39:00.060 --> 05:39:01.060 - So that's not in there yet. 05:39:01.060 --> 05:39:02.060 - No, I can't do that. 05:39:02.060 --> 05:39:03.060 - I know. 05:39:03.060 --> 05:39:04.060 - I understand. 05:39:04.060 --> 05:39:05.060 - But that's about a million, two million, three million ish. 05:39:05.060 --> 05:39:06.060 - Yeah. 05:39:06.060 --> 05:39:07.060 - Because we went we were originally thinking 16,000 and now it's 16.5. 05:39:07.060 --> 05:39:08.060 - Oh, yeah. 05:39:08.060 --> 05:39:09.060 - So that's it. 05:39:09.060 --> 05:39:22.060 - So that will knock another million off. 05:39:22.060 --> 05:39:26.980 - So I mean, again, when we started this evening, it was a lot. 05:39:26.980 --> 05:39:29.540 - So I know we we cannot get dismay. 05:39:29.540 --> 05:39:35.080 - I know like we did a heck of a lot of work tonight with a lot of things. 05:39:35.080 --> 05:39:39.740 - And I appreciate council really stepping up and doing that. 05:39:39.740 --> 05:39:41.540 - So yes, it is. 05:39:41.540 --> 05:39:43.760 - We still I see you. 05:39:43.760 --> 05:39:47.740 - So we got we still got some ways to go. 05:39:47.740 --> 05:39:53.080 - But again, we did accomplish a nice chunk of that. 05:39:53.080 --> 05:39:54.620 - So yes, Councillor Henry. 05:39:54.620 --> 05:39:58.220 - OK, so to keep you know, as we're watching the clock, so it sounds like what we need 05:39:58.220 --> 05:40:01.820 - to do is figure out the advertised rate for some funds we may tap. 05:40:01.820 --> 05:40:05.060 - We understand we have aviation and parks to look at still. 05:40:05.060 --> 05:40:09.980 - I think I don't know if we've actually resolved the double budgeting of motor highway vehicle 05:40:09.980 --> 05:40:10.980 - yet. 05:40:10.980 --> 05:40:11.980 - Yes. 05:40:11.980 --> 05:40:12.980 - That's included. 05:40:12.980 --> 05:40:13.980 - All right. 05:40:13.980 --> 05:40:14.980 - So there's some funds. 05:40:14.980 --> 05:40:17.780 - There's some things we start to look at to try to move some things around. 05:40:17.780 --> 05:40:21.980 - We've talked about tapping some we need to put an advertised rate out if we're going 05:40:21.980 --> 05:40:22.980 - to use these these funds. 05:40:22.980 --> 05:40:24.020 - Is that right? 05:40:24.020 --> 05:40:25.980 - So it sounds like that's where I think we have to go. 05:40:25.980 --> 05:40:26.980 - That's what I was saying. 05:40:26.980 --> 05:40:27.980 - So I don't. 05:40:27.980 --> 05:40:30.780 - Yeah, I don't think it's worth opining much more about the priorities. 05:40:30.780 --> 05:40:36.300 - I think we've said COLA is the priority in the letter, but I don't know. 05:40:36.300 --> 05:40:39.320 - I mean, so at this point, it sounds like we're just drilling toward what the advertised rates 05:40:39.320 --> 05:40:41.500 - are going to be for the lits that we are proposing. 05:40:41.500 --> 05:40:44.460 - And then hopefully we can whittle this number down between now and then before we touch 05:40:44.460 --> 05:40:45.460 - them. 05:40:45.460 --> 05:40:46.460 - Is that right? 05:40:46.460 --> 05:40:54.940 - So is there so because we talked about using like the person or the person or the categories 05:40:54.940 --> 05:40:58.100 - for the 80 lit and whatnot at the two million. 05:40:58.100 --> 05:41:02.820 - So the idea is right now without if there's no other objection, and it didn't seem like 05:41:02.820 --> 05:41:05.940 - it is to go ahead and advertise high. 05:41:05.940 --> 05:41:08.900 - And when they go high, hopefully we go low. 05:41:08.900 --> 05:41:11.460 - That's a smart woman once said that. 05:41:11.460 --> 05:41:18.140 - So that being the case, that is what we are going to aim to do. 05:41:18.140 --> 05:41:27.640 - So without with that being said, is there anything else that you all need from counsel 05:41:27.640 --> 05:41:30.980 - to make the decision in terms of advertising? 05:41:30.980 --> 05:41:33.180 - Is there anything else that we need? 05:41:33.180 --> 05:41:34.180 - Okay. 05:41:34.180 --> 05:41:35.180 - Okay. 05:41:35.180 --> 05:41:43.420 - So without that being further ado, does anybody else have anything else related to the 2026 05:41:43.420 --> 05:41:44.420 - budget? 05:41:44.420 --> 05:41:45.420 - Yes, counselor. 05:41:45.420 --> 05:41:47.060 - Does this require a motion to post? 05:41:47.060 --> 05:41:53.820 - I mean, do we need the number stated and what we're advertising for those two lids? 05:41:53.820 --> 05:41:54.820 - No. 05:41:54.820 --> 05:41:55.820 - Okay. 05:41:55.820 --> 05:42:00.220 - We just, yeah, you just advertise it. 05:42:00.220 --> 05:42:01.220 - No motion. 05:42:01.220 --> 05:42:02.220 - Yes. 05:42:02.220 --> 05:42:06.060 - You got it from us. 05:42:06.060 --> 05:42:07.060 - No objections. 05:42:07.060 --> 05:42:08.060 - So we're all good. 05:42:08.060 --> 05:42:09.060 - Okay. 05:42:09.060 --> 05:42:14.020 - Counsel, we are not going to be doing any council liaison updates this evening. 05:42:14.020 --> 05:42:15.020 - So sorry. 05:42:15.020 --> 05:42:16.020 - Thank you. 05:42:16.020 --> 05:42:17.020 - That really, heck no. 05:42:17.020 --> 05:42:25.420 - I mean, you know, counsel Hawke, I know you like your fair, so I wanted to see if you 05:42:25.420 --> 05:42:31.420 - wanted to talk of a good story, but that being said, I do appreciate everybody staying almost 05:42:31.420 --> 05:42:34.820 - close to the midnight hour to get this stuff done. 05:42:34.820 --> 05:42:40.820 - And hey, guess what, sometimes, or this meeting still went a little earlier than city council 05:42:40.820 --> 05:42:41.820 - goes sometimes. 05:42:41.820 --> 05:42:47.100 - So with that being said, without nothing else that needs to be said, we got our marching 05:42:47.100 --> 05:42:51.300 - orders and we will continue to come back and chip at this, but we are adjourned. 05:42:51.300 --> 05:43:15.300 - Thank you. 05:43:45.300 --> 05:43:48.800 - (upbeat orchestral music) 05:43:48.800 --> 05:43:52.300 - (upbeat orchestral music) 05:43:52.300 --> 05:43:55.800 - (upbeat orchestral music) 05:43:55.800 --> 05:43:57.800 - [ Music ]