WEBVTT 00:00:02.914 --> 00:00:10.218 - welcome everybody and again we apologize for the technical difficulties that's what happens when this 00:00:10.218 --> 00:00:17.594 - is live so thanks for TSD for getting us back on track here and our mics working because I know we got 00:00:17.594 --> 00:00:24.254 - a lot to say so we want to make sure that it captures everything so welcome everybody to the 00:00:24.482 --> 00:00:32.567 - 23rd of September, 2025, a regular session of the Monroe County Council, present in the NatU Hill Room. 00:00:32.567 --> 00:00:40.574 - We have counselors, Spidal, Deckert, Henry, Iverson, and Hawk, and not present today in person and via 00:00:40.574 --> 00:00:48.659 - Teams is Councilor Wilts. So we will go ahead and get into it. And so all those that are able to stand, 00:00:48.659 --> 00:00:53.246 - please stand for the reciting of the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:59.074 --> 00:01:10.926 - United States of America for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for 00:01:10.926 --> 00:01:24.318 - all. Okay. All right. So next up is the adoption of the agenda. And does anybody wish to amend tonight's agenda? 00:01:25.346 --> 00:01:37.020 - Yes, Council Iverson. Madam President, I would like to amend the agenda by tabling items 7B and 9G to 00:01:37.020 --> 00:01:48.464 - our next meeting, which is Tuesday, October the 14th. Second. Okay, we got a motion and a second to 00:01:48.464 --> 00:01:55.102 - table those items to October 14th. Yeah, I think you can. 00:01:55.298 --> 00:02:06.362 - I would also like to table item 11 a which is resolution 2025 37 to the October 14th council meeting 00:02:06.362 --> 00:02:17.317 - Second I also like to amend items 11 C overtime resolution and 11 D hiring freeze resolution to the 00:02:17.317 --> 00:02:21.918 - discussion items and possible approval of 00:02:22.210 --> 00:02:32.384 - to allow for further council input to these resolutions. And lastly, I would like to amend the agenda 00:02:32.384 --> 00:02:42.657 - to add item 11F, a discussion to amend resolution 2025-27, establishing 2026 minimum cash balances and 00:02:42.657 --> 00:02:46.846 - move the 2026 budget reviews to item 11G. 00:02:50.082 --> 00:03:01.560 - Okay. All right. Thank you for that. Um, yes, counselor hawk. Okay. Uh, the, um, resolutions. Uh, did 00:03:01.560 --> 00:03:12.812 - you table that child out from what? What was your motion? Uh, my, the first motion dealing with the 00:03:12.812 --> 00:03:16.638 - resolution was to table item 11 a 00:03:18.850 --> 00:03:29.203 - Okay. To the October 14th council meeting. Okay. And I wanted to amend items 11 C and 11 D to allow 00:03:29.203 --> 00:03:39.556 - not only for discussion, but also possible approval. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. All right. So 00:03:39.556 --> 00:03:47.838 - we got a motion and a second. And so is everybody clear on those motions? Okay. 00:03:48.258 --> 00:03:56.260 - and no further discussion. Looking to my right. Does anybody else have any questions over here? Yes. 00:03:56.260 --> 00:04:04.580 - Information. So on item 9A through D, is there an opportunity to combine for simultaneous on here rather 00:04:04.580 --> 00:04:12.503 - than for separate items? Yes. Within the motion that I have provided in the script, I have combined 00:04:12.503 --> 00:04:16.702 - A and B into one motion and C and D into one motion. 00:04:17.762 --> 00:04:25.049 - Thank you for that. Okay. So Madam President, I have another motion. So we have under consent agenda 00:04:25.049 --> 00:04:32.841 - item B, the request for approval of creation of new account lines simultaneously approved category transfer 00:04:32.841 --> 00:04:40.055 - in the health fund. Councillor Iverson, you didn't table that one, is that correct? I did. Oh, that 00:04:40.055 --> 00:04:47.198 - is the tabled one? Yes. All right, thank you for the clarification. Okay. Yeah, that's, thank you. 00:04:47.650 --> 00:04:58.210 - Okay. So to run it back, just to make sure that we all know, item 7B and 9G is tabled to 1014. Resolution 00:04:58.210 --> 00:05:08.771 - 11A is tabled to October 14th. The resolutions regarding overtime and a higher end freeze is a discussion 00:05:08.771 --> 00:05:17.438 - and possible approval for tonight. And we also are amending the agenda to add item 11F 00:05:17.986 --> 00:05:27.511 - for discussion to amend the resolution that establishes the minimum cash balances. So once again, I 00:05:27.511 --> 00:05:37.132 - wanna make sure everybody is heard here. Is everybody clear on the motions? And is there any further 00:05:37.132 --> 00:05:43.038 - discussion related to amending tonight's agenda? Seeing none. 00:05:43.522 --> 00:05:51.641 - All those in favor of approving tonight's agenda as amended signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed, 00:05:51.641 --> 00:05:55.966 - same sign. Okay, motion carries. Thank you all for that. 00:05:56.322 --> 00:06:02.437 - So next up is item number four, which is public comment. And so this is the opportunity for those that 00:06:02.437 --> 00:06:08.373 - are here present in the Nattie Hill Room to speak on items that are not on tonight's agenda. If you 00:06:08.373 --> 00:06:14.310 - are here in the Nattie Hill Room, you can make your public comment by coming forward to the lecture 00:06:14.310 --> 00:06:20.306 - here and the Nattie Hill Room, and you will have up to three minutes. And those that are present via 00:06:20.306 --> 00:06:26.302 - Teams also can make public comment, but you can also raise your hand via Teams and you too will have 00:06:26.754 --> 00:06:34.436 - up to three minutes. So I'm going to look here to the Nightingale room to see if there's anybody that 00:06:34.436 --> 00:06:42.268 - would like to make public comment again on items not on the agenda. Please come forward to the lecture. 00:06:42.268 --> 00:06:49.949 - And then I'm going to look via Teams to see if we have some hands raised to see if anybody would like 00:06:49.949 --> 00:06:52.510 - to make public comment via Teams. 00:06:57.506 --> 00:07:08.254 - Right. And seeing none seems like we are all ready to go here. So we will move forward with making. 00:07:08.610 --> 00:07:16.114 - or closing out public comment and move forward to department updates. So next up for department updates, 00:07:16.114 --> 00:07:23.261 - if there are any departments that are via Teams or present here in the NattU Hill Room, you have up 00:07:23.261 --> 00:07:30.623 - to 10 minutes to talk about items that are not on tonight's agenda. And again, you can raise your hand 00:07:30.623 --> 00:07:38.270 - via Teams or you can come here to the lectern here in the NattU Hill Room. Right. And seeing none on that. 00:07:38.754 --> 00:07:47.222 - Next up is item number six, which is the update and discussion regarding the American Rescue Plan Act, 00:07:47.222 --> 00:07:56.018 - also known as ARPA projects. So at this time, I would like to invite, I see one commissioner here present. 00:07:56.018 --> 00:08:05.062 - So you all can come on up here and you can have a seat here at the table and we will open up the conversation 00:08:05.062 --> 00:08:08.350 - on our ARPA projects and discussions of 00:08:08.546 --> 00:08:17.351 - those items and next steps. Do you want me to start? You can go ahead. Welcome. Yeah, and I think I'm 00:08:17.351 --> 00:08:26.587 - maybe the reason we're having this meeting. I've been working with our health department and the auditor's 00:08:26.587 --> 00:08:35.565 - office has been working with the health department on the septic agreements and septic contracts. Right 00:08:35.565 --> 00:08:37.982 - now we have roughly 600,000 00:08:38.274 --> 00:08:45.280 - out in approved contracts to replace septic systems. Excuse me. And I think we're going to struggle 00:08:45.280 --> 00:08:52.497 - to get enough contracts done that we are going to have the ability to say for certain that we're going 00:08:52.497 --> 00:08:59.713 - to be able to spend all the money by the end of next year. A lot of that has to do with the really wet 00:08:59.713 --> 00:09:03.006 - year we had this year because you can only put 00:09:03.138 --> 00:09:09.829 - septic systems in when it's dry. Right now, I think we're starting, you know, I saw quotes come in today 00:09:09.829 --> 00:09:16.266 - for a new agreement, which, you know, so I think there's still time left this year. But I think when 00:09:16.266 --> 00:09:22.639 - we were discussing it, we also want to be sensitive to the fact that we do have a hard deadline for 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:26.590 - these funds to be used. And so our internal discussion had us 00:09:27.138 --> 00:09:33.546 - going to the council, going to the commissioners and expressing, hey, can we have till maybe December 00:09:33.546 --> 00:09:39.954 - 1 or Thanksgiving summer on there, kind of as a hard cutoff to get these contracts in place. And then 00:09:39.954 --> 00:09:46.551 - after we have that, then we would have a number that's uncontracted that we would know what that overage 00:09:46.551 --> 00:09:53.147 - is. And then those contracts would primarily be for placements next summer, right? So we would, we wanna 00:09:53.147 --> 00:09:56.414 - be sensitive to, we think the septic is a big need. 00:09:56.578 --> 00:10:02.515 - Clearly we've we've done a lot of septic programs We also want to be sensitive that we want to make 00:10:02.515 --> 00:10:08.511 - sure that we spend every dollar that we get from the federal government for the ARPA programs and so 00:10:08.511 --> 00:10:14.448 - I think our plan was talk to the council talk to the commissioners see if we could get a see if you 00:10:14.448 --> 00:10:19.198 - guys are comfortable with us having that kind of December one hard deadline and 00:10:19.682 --> 00:10:26.166 - getting those contracts in and then that way in December you would know exactly what we wouldn't have 00:10:26.166 --> 00:10:32.586 - obligated under and under contract. For that our program and then we could have a discussion of what 00:10:32.586 --> 00:10:39.133 - that overages and then what we could what you guys wish to do with the whatever amount it is. Is that. 00:10:39.133 --> 00:10:45.871 - So we don't know the number yet we will know the number once we know the number we will also know whether 00:10:45.871 --> 00:10:48.414 - it's in restricted or unrestricted and. 00:10:48.514 --> 00:10:56.673 - we'll come up with an options list and we'll talk through it with y'all and There's really nothing to 00:10:56.673 --> 00:11:04.672 - decide today. This is really just a discussion item so that you're aware of of what's happening and 00:11:04.672 --> 00:11:13.071 - We're keeping track of the calendar and the budgets both Okay, and I know before I open it up to council 00:11:13.071 --> 00:11:16.830 - I wanted to look to see if the auditor had any 00:11:17.122 --> 00:11:27.388 - anything to add to that discussion there. Good evening council. We just want to remind the public and 00:11:27.388 --> 00:11:37.654 - everyone that these dollars have to be expended by December of 2026. So if we do make any adjustments 00:11:37.654 --> 00:11:42.686 - to a contract we would need to keep that in mind. 00:11:43.298 --> 00:11:51.057 - we did recommend that we have a backup plan if any contracts were to come in short of what is currently 00:11:51.057 --> 00:11:58.890 - obligated. Thank you. I'm curious to hear what council members have to think about the deadlines because 00:11:58.890 --> 00:12:06.425 - I guess personally I was thinking we would know a little bit more this evening because I think while 00:12:06.425 --> 00:12:12.990 - we all have budget brain right now it's definitely something to think about in terms of 00:12:13.314 --> 00:12:22.100 - some of the conversations that we've had where we have potentially listed out things where we could 00:12:22.100 --> 00:12:30.974 - possibly use the ARPA funding and remove it from budget and possibly put it into ARPA projects. So I 00:12:30.974 --> 00:12:40.024 - was hoping because in fact, and correct me if I'm wrong, y'all, we heard during the convention centers 00:12:40.024 --> 00:12:41.342 - or that budget 00:12:41.474 --> 00:12:50.388 - something about a broken elevator, and I had broke down in my notes here, something related to possibly 00:12:50.388 --> 00:12:59.216 - using ARPA to have, or to have funding for that. So yeah, I mean, I was hoping that we would have more 00:12:59.216 --> 00:13:08.215 - information tonight. So I'll look over here to my right and see if y'all have any questions or comments. 00:13:08.215 --> 00:13:09.758 - So it looks like, 00:13:10.050 --> 00:13:16.591 - everybody has a line here. So usually when everybody raises their hand, I'll just go down the soldiering 00:13:16.591 --> 00:13:23.008 - line here. So I'll start off with Councilor Iverson. Thank you, Madam President. Thanks for being here 00:13:23.008 --> 00:13:29.362 - on yet another night. And, you know, we certainly got the message that weather is playing a huge role 00:13:29.362 --> 00:13:33.598 - here in these septic systems. So thanks for keeping us in the loop. 00:13:33.922 --> 00:13:41.393 - And hopefully, we can get more of those out there. I certainly have had septic systems in the past. 00:13:41.393 --> 00:13:49.014 - And they're pretty nasty to deal with when they're old. And so I'm certainly appreciative of our work 00:13:49.014 --> 00:13:57.157 - on this. My first, I guess, septic is just one of 14 lines where there's unexpended dollars. And I certainly 00:13:57.157 --> 00:14:03.134 - am. Look, the septic is the one where the unexpended is the highest percentage. 00:14:03.298 --> 00:14:13.078 - So do we know in the five point eight million dollars of unexpended dollars. Do we have other account 00:14:13.078 --> 00:14:22.857 - lines that we need to be highlighting for concerned they may not be expended by December thirty first 00:14:22.857 --> 00:14:31.870 - twenty twenty six. I know that. The for me what I know for sure is that the septic is the one 00:14:32.162 --> 00:14:41.371 - I think. For these other projects we have. Prop contracts in place I think I think commissioners just 00:14:41.371 --> 00:14:50.489 - heard the last another can I was the last convention center related ARPA contract like two weeks ago 00:14:50.489 --> 00:15:00.510 - or ten days ago so. I mean this is the bills are not in yet because the contract was just approved so I think. 00:15:00.642 --> 00:15:06.739 - This is something we will obviously be looking at, but I just think right now it's actually premature 00:15:06.739 --> 00:15:12.835 - to say, oh, look, there's money left over because I don't think that there is necessarily. And I know 00:15:12.835 --> 00:15:19.111 - the numbers look big, but I don't think that reflects the reality. In some cases, we just haven't gotten 00:15:19.111 --> 00:15:25.148 - billed yet. And we know the projects out there are the contracts approved. Sure. Can I hear from the 00:15:25.148 --> 00:15:28.734 - auditor's office? I think you had something to say on this. 00:15:29.538 --> 00:15:43.478 - Yeah if you don't mind I can share my screen so the public can see what we're seeing please. So you 00:15:43.478 --> 00:15:51.006 - should be able to see the projects in green that have 00:16:01.154 --> 00:16:10.371 - So Mr. Prider just pointed out to me, for example, under the Convention Center, since that was raised, 00:16:10.371 --> 00:16:19.409 - that it shows here $101,864.56 on expended, but by his calculations, based on projects that had been 00:16:19.409 --> 00:16:29.342 - contracted or need to be completed, we're going to be down to about $10,000. So I do think there's going to be 00:16:29.602 --> 00:16:37.767 - little bits of money left in some of these funds. And we will be talking through what can be done with 00:16:37.767 --> 00:16:45.693 - that. But I think, again, I know you're in the middle of budget crisis mode. But I don't think that 00:16:45.693 --> 00:16:53.779 - today is going to be the day where we can say, oh, money's done. It's over with. Whatever's left over 00:16:53.779 --> 00:16:59.486 - goes to something else. I just think that there are things outstanding. 00:16:59.842 --> 00:17:07.153 - Sure. Did you have more to say from the auditor's office or you just wanted to show what I was reading? 00:17:07.153 --> 00:17:14.394 - So in front of you you can see the green cells that have unexpended balances. We have not received any 00:17:14.394 --> 00:17:21.424 - indicators that any other projects will come in under budget, but it's always good to have a backup 00:17:21.424 --> 00:17:28.595 - plan, especially because it does take time to get these two groups together and make those decisions. 00:17:28.595 --> 00:17:29.790 - We would hate to 00:17:30.050 --> 00:17:37.632 - And in a way that we don't have a clear path as to what both bodies would like if we do come into a 00:17:37.632 --> 00:17:45.290 - scenario where additional funds are utilized. And as we've discussed before, we do have distinctions 00:17:45.290 --> 00:17:48.702 - between how some of this money can be spent. 00:17:49.026 --> 00:17:57.134 - So you'll notice that some of the cells are colored in orange and some of them are in yellow. We have 00:17:57.134 --> 00:18:05.084 - limitations to our unrestricted expenditures. So as of right now, those yellow cells are all of our 00:18:05.084 --> 00:18:12.318 - lost revenue dollars, which are unrestricted. That limit that we can spend is $10 million. 00:18:12.610 --> 00:18:22.663 - As of right now, we have $152,243.76 of this money that could be obligated. I'm so sorry. It's obligated, 00:18:22.663 --> 00:18:32.527 - but if we wanted to move any of these around, we couldn't exceed the $10 million. Okay. And then, Madam 00:18:32.527 --> 00:18:36.510 - President, can I just say one last thing? 00:18:36.610 --> 00:18:41.639 - I am in favor of a backup plan, and Commissioner Thomas, I think one of the things that could be in 00:18:41.639 --> 00:18:46.768 - that backup plan is what you just mentioned, where some of these funds are gonna have a little bit of 00:18:46.768 --> 00:18:51.847 - money in them, and what do we do with that little bit of money? And restricted versus non-restricted 00:18:51.847 --> 00:18:57.026 - is going to give us a really powerful indicator about what we can actually spend that money on. We may 00:18:57.026 --> 00:19:02.206 - be very limited in what we can do with some of it, so we need to be careful about that. I agree, okay. 00:19:03.842 --> 00:19:10.904 - Thank you, Madam President. Thank you, Commissioner Thomas, as well. And I think Peter really answered 00:19:10.904 --> 00:19:17.897 - quite a few of my questions in terms of residuals and what is able to be, I want to caution by saying 00:19:17.897 --> 00:19:24.821 - reprogrammed, but we are talking about whatever the residuals are here. And yeah, and there were two 00:19:24.821 --> 00:19:27.358 - that jumped off the page of me here. 00:19:28.322 --> 00:19:34.380 - I know we're working hard on the Karst field project, but I'm also looking at the general obligation 00:19:34.380 --> 00:19:40.437 - bond asking for almost $905,000 for the nature preserve and the proposed GO bond we're going to talk 00:19:40.437 --> 00:19:46.734 - about later this evening. So it's something like that, right? Where if we have unexpended here, it looks 00:19:46.734 --> 00:19:53.032 - like we have some ideas here. It sounds like there's another set of numbers that aren't before us. Maybe 00:19:53.032 --> 00:19:57.470 - we can talk about the park one first for a minute. That might be helpful. 00:19:58.338 --> 00:20:06.434 - Two million and change? Yeah, where's the status on that one? Yeah, hi. We swapped in, all right. Yeah, 00:20:06.434 --> 00:20:14.297 - and on the screen for folks, it is line item, thank you, 37, Carsefields. Yeah. Yeah. Do you want me 00:20:14.297 --> 00:20:22.082 - to talk to you about the unexpended? Yeah, what's unexpended? Because that's a huge item here right 00:20:22.082 --> 00:20:27.454 - now, yeah. It will all be probably gone in 90 days. OK, that's easy. 00:20:27.906 --> 00:20:37.220 - And we actually need more money if possible, because I think you all remember the airport's farm field 00:20:37.220 --> 00:20:46.534 - that has an ARPA caused us to have $114,000 drainage issue for this project. So we would take anything 00:20:46.534 --> 00:20:56.300 - additional to make up that $114,000. I mean, there is in line 38, almost $1.6 million in airport stormwater 00:20:56.300 --> 00:20:57.566 - and drainage. 00:20:58.690 --> 00:21:03.861 - again I guess but I guess the commissioner Thomas's point there's another set of numbers here we haven't 00:21:03.861 --> 00:21:08.934 - scraped yet so this is kind of the I think the stuff that we're looking for the only other one I thank 00:21:08.934 --> 00:21:13.958 - you for that by the way yeah thank you for that the only other one I guess I have a question about it 00:21:13.958 --> 00:21:19.080 - and I know counselor wilts if she were here she's asked about this before on line thirty three the jail 00:21:19.080 --> 00:21:24.054 - transition contract we were starting to see- continued travel on that line item even though it seems 00:21:24.054 --> 00:21:24.990 - like a lot of the- 00:21:25.858 --> 00:21:33.180 - planning with the LZ is kind of done, but there seems to be receipts still for travel being filed on 00:21:33.180 --> 00:21:40.575 - that contract. Does anyone have any Commissioner Thomas? No idea on it. Okay. Okay. That's fair. Just 00:21:40.575 --> 00:21:48.042 - want to highlight. Thanks. Okay. Thank you. Yes. Council. Yes. Seeing 233,000 approximately for that's 00:21:48.042 --> 00:21:54.494 - still left to be expanded for jail locks. So I think we should check to see if they need 00:21:55.074 --> 00:22:03.268 - That's one of the things we discussed not long ago was like, if you have a problem, let's get that taken 00:22:03.268 --> 00:22:11.150 - care of. Can't wait for five years for a new jail. I see the auditor staff has something. I did have 00:22:11.150 --> 00:22:19.032 - communication with the financial manager in that department and it does sound like they are on track 00:22:19.032 --> 00:22:23.870 - to spend those dollars. Those dollars are not available then. 00:22:26.306 --> 00:22:37.064 - And I also see under line six COVID vaccine that it looks as if that has all been expended out. Is that 00:22:37.064 --> 00:22:47.513 - correct? Yeah, the only ones that are active are the green. Right. I just want to call our attention 00:22:47.513 --> 00:22:52.478 - to that since there's been a lot of discussion. 00:23:00.162 --> 00:23:08.002 - Thank you very much Mike. My question is so lost revenue or Restricted line we can add to or we can 00:23:08.002 --> 00:23:15.920 - juggle around help me out with the auditor. I want to make sure I got it right. I Apologize for that 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:23.760 - jumbled explanation. No, it's me not you So we cannot increase our obligations for the lost revenue 00:23:23.760 --> 00:23:26.974 - category beyond 10 million right now and 00:23:27.138 --> 00:23:35.293 - we are short of that 10 million by roughly 152,000. The reason I ask is when I look at the list of projects 00:23:35.293 --> 00:23:43.449 - that we did, and this has been a long process, that as I look at the list, it brings back a lot of memories 00:23:43.449 --> 00:23:51.302 - from some difficult times and other difficult times and a whole story there. But one thing that we have 00:23:51.302 --> 00:23:54.398 - talked about here is the potential to up 00:23:54.946 --> 00:24:02.175 - dollars that we would use for our not-for-profit community through Sophia Travis dollars. We looked 00:24:02.175 --> 00:24:09.476 - at an option to raise that considerably because we expect demand is high and other things like that. 00:24:09.476 --> 00:24:16.705 - I see lines here where we responded to Hoosier Hill Food Bank and Pantry 279 that serve the greater 00:24:16.705 --> 00:24:20.030 - portion of this community with a lot of food. 00:24:20.418 --> 00:24:27.192 - And so my thought is if we start getting into, and I'm not ready to offer anything yet, but if we start 00:24:27.192 --> 00:24:34.031 - getting into the how do you make this work, those entities could probably take you tonight and buy food. 00:24:34.031 --> 00:24:40.544 - And if those lines, it looks like Hoosier Hills did match when I was kind of glancing. I'm not sure 00:24:40.544 --> 00:24:47.058 - about pantry 279, but if that starts matching, you could juggle that around there. And if we are in 00:24:47.058 --> 00:24:47.774 - a need to, 00:24:48.002 --> 00:24:55.769 - do more for our local not-for-profit community, that could be a quick way to do that. Hoosier Hills 00:24:55.769 --> 00:25:03.769 - Line was 37487. Community Kitchen, we actually got the Express Kitchen, so that should be a done deal. 00:25:03.769 --> 00:25:11.614 - But for buying food, if I'm reading this right, we could buy food and if we need food, food we have. 00:25:12.770 --> 00:25:19.498 - And maybe I'll respond a little bit to that. I think one of the things we would work with our vendor 00:25:19.498 --> 00:25:26.226 - Baker Tilly with who has been helping us make sure we stay within our rules and guidelines, we would 00:25:26.226 --> 00:25:32.887 - ask to ask them that question. My understanding is that the projects have to be opened or the money 00:25:32.887 --> 00:25:37.150 - would have still had to have been obligated by the end of 2024. 00:25:37.282 --> 00:25:44.008 - So if we have these open projects, as long as we don't materially change them, I think we could we could 00:25:44.008 --> 00:25:50.671 - add a little bit to them. But again, we that's why we have Baker Tilly. So with that question, we would 00:25:50.671 --> 00:25:57.333 - run it by Baker Tilly to see if that is an acceptable route. So I don't want to it's not quite the hey, 00:25:57.333 --> 00:26:03.739 - look at anything on this list. And we could certainly fund that. But we can ask those questions and 00:26:03.739 --> 00:26:06.430 - get those answers. You have to be nimble. 00:26:06.594 --> 00:26:15.063 - all that will have to be figured out pretty quickly. Okay. Did anybody else have any? I guess the one 00:26:15.063 --> 00:26:23.614 - question that I have is since the last claim date that I see for rural transit since that's definitely 00:26:23.614 --> 00:26:32.830 - something that we have to think about on the horizon was what looks like three March of this year. If there is 00:26:33.730 --> 00:26:43.617 - So by the logic that we're saying right now, because let me see. Sorry. Is that considered closed? So 00:26:43.617 --> 00:26:53.600 - there were actually two awards to rural transit. The first one has been closed. The second one has not 00:26:53.600 --> 00:27:00.094 - been closed. And I believe that is line 44 towards the bottom. OK. 00:27:03.362 --> 00:27:10.455 - The item that's closed is the buses. We actually purchased buses. That's done. The item that's open 00:27:10.455 --> 00:27:17.760 - is this year's service to the, quote unquote, urbanized area. Okay. And that's the one that we've kind 00:27:17.760 --> 00:27:25.207 - of had open communication with our good friends down the street in Ellisville. Okay. So, I mean, I would 00:27:25.207 --> 00:27:32.158 - think that if there is funding, if we're, you know, trying to come up with a contingency plan for 00:27:32.322 --> 00:27:39.243 - you know, extra dollars, I would love to see how we could use some of those extra dollars for this particular 00:27:39.243 --> 00:27:45.534 - project as well, if possible. While I'm sure it might not be enough, and we still will have to have 00:27:45.534 --> 00:27:51.952 - conversations, every little dollar helps. So that's definitely something I would think of in the back 00:27:51.952 --> 00:27:58.558 - burner too, while hopefully continuing to have conversations with the town of Ellisville too. All right. 00:27:58.850 --> 00:28:07.116 - Yes, Councilor Everson. I wanted to take this in a different direction. Could you scroll up to line 00:28:07.116 --> 00:28:15.546 - 20? Today, Commissioner Thomas and three of us from the County Council were able to see these dollars 00:28:15.546 --> 00:28:24.225 - in work. This is $500,000. And Commissioner Thomas was able to break ground on Beacon Inc.'s new center. 00:28:24.225 --> 00:28:27.614 - And that money was used to help do that. 00:28:27.746 --> 00:28:35.021 - I think if we're gonna look forward to a plan on how to use these funds, I would also like to think 00:28:35.021 --> 00:28:42.586 - about ways to celebrate some of the things that happened in this community that would not have happened 00:28:42.586 --> 00:28:49.861 - had it not been for these dollars. This new center is cool. It's gonna do a lot of really good work 00:28:49.861 --> 00:28:56.990 - for a lot of people. Agreed. All right. Yes, Councillor Hock. I just need a little clarification. 00:28:57.250 --> 00:29:04.856 - only the ones that are in green that has an opportunity to move some dollars around into those. Do I 00:29:04.856 --> 00:29:12.387 - understand that correctly? It's only these that have an opportunity to be able to use the money for 00:29:12.387 --> 00:29:20.370 - something else because they're still open. Based on our conversations with Baker Tilley that is accurate. 00:29:20.370 --> 00:29:26.846 - The federal government does not like us moving these obligations around and it raises 00:29:27.362 --> 00:29:36.851 - far less red flags to move the obligations within open projects. And just keep in mind, we 00:29:36.851 --> 00:29:47.800 - can't substantially change the scope of the projects. OK. Does anybody last call for any other questions 00:29:47.800 --> 00:29:49.886 - looking around? OK. 00:29:50.242 --> 00:29:57.626 - And since this was a discussion, there is no motion or anything that needs to be made. So now, of course, 00:29:57.626 --> 00:30:04.871 - we just wait for you all to come back in December, which isn't that far around the corner, ugly enough. 00:30:04.871 --> 00:30:12.047 - So we will look forward to having that conversation again. So thank you all very much. All right, have 00:30:12.047 --> 00:30:13.022 - a good night. 00:30:15.394 --> 00:30:23.722 - All right. Next up is number seven, which is our consent agenda items. Council, I move to approve the 00:30:23.722 --> 00:30:32.296 - following consent agenda item for September 23rd. A, the prosecutor's request and fund 1000-0009 general 00:30:32.296 --> 00:30:40.461 - fund prosecutor for a category transfer in the amount of $15,000 from the personnel category to the 00:30:40.461 --> 00:30:45.278 - services category. And B, which we tabled. Just A. Second. 00:30:45.762 --> 00:30:54.375 - All right, we got a motion and a second. Are there any further discussion from council related to the 00:30:54.375 --> 00:31:03.072 - consent agenda items? All right, seeing none. All those in favor of approving our consent agenda items 00:31:03.072 --> 00:31:11.516 - tonight signify by saying aye. All those opposed, same sign. All right, motion carries. Next up, we 00:31:11.516 --> 00:31:13.374 - are at item number A. 00:31:14.658 --> 00:31:23.217 - for ongoing business. 8A. Yeah. Council, as a reminder, this is the second reading of this request due 00:31:23.217 --> 00:31:32.191 - to the lack of a unanimous vote to the August 12th, 2025 meeting. I move to approve the Health Department's 00:31:32.191 --> 00:31:40.584 - request to amend the 2025 salary ordinance and fund 1161-0000 Local Public Health Services to remove 00:31:40.584 --> 00:31:43.742 - the positions outlined on the agenda. 00:31:47.394 --> 00:31:57.791 - We got a motion and a second, and I don't see anybody from the health department that is here to discuss 00:31:57.791 --> 00:32:08.287 - this. So I'll look to the liaisons to see if they feel comfortable. Yeah. So council, this is essentially 00:32:08.287 --> 00:32:10.366 - a housekeeping item. 00:32:10.530 --> 00:32:18.764 - As you recall, we moved positions from Health First Indiana to the Health Fund and in the 2025 budget. 00:32:18.764 --> 00:32:26.838 - And we needed to make this change because we moved those positions. This is completely separate from 00:32:26.838 --> 00:32:34.832 - the 2026 budget, where we've already made the decision to move them back. This is only for the 2025 00:32:34.832 --> 00:32:37.470 - budget. Okay. Yes, Council Huff. 00:32:39.650 --> 00:32:52.179 - And I don't think that they all landed in 1159. Some did, some did not, if I recall right. But it would 00:32:52.179 --> 00:33:05.310 - make sense to me to leave these open and to finish out the year in the 1161, thereby saving the money in the 00:33:06.626 --> 00:33:14.191 - now the 10th at you know, number so that they would have additional cash in that because that's where 00:33:14.191 --> 00:33:21.756 - we are trying to save the money to make sure that we've got enough because that's in that frozen levy 00:33:21.756 --> 00:33:29.247 - portion. So it makes sense to just finish out the year since we've already moved them over there for 00:33:29.247 --> 00:33:35.774 - next year to just go ahead and finish out the year. It would save quite a bit of money. 00:33:36.930 --> 00:33:45.563 - to land there in the 1059. Okay, so if I understand what you're saying, Councillor Hogg, is finish up 00:33:45.563 --> 00:33:54.027 - the year in 2025 where they are, since we've already made the changes for 2026. Is that what you're 00:33:54.027 --> 00:34:02.491 - saying? I'm saying they should be moved back over. In other words, right now, we've got some vacant 00:34:02.491 --> 00:34:06.046 - spots because we moved them over into the 00:34:07.394 --> 00:34:15.034 - the property tax fund. Because we moved him over from the 1161 over to there. So now these positions 00:34:15.034 --> 00:34:22.976 - are setting vacant and in the 1161 budget, and just growing the 1161 balance. And it seems to me, you've 00:34:22.976 --> 00:34:30.994 - moved the employees back over there and finish out the year and the 1161 and let the property tax balance 00:34:30.994 --> 00:34:32.734 - grow, which would help 00:34:33.602 --> 00:34:44.893 - frozen levy portion and it's not going to hurt them at all just moving around and i don't think that 00:34:44.893 --> 00:34:56.295 - they all moved to the 1059 i think only maybe two or i just want to remind council the appropriations 00:34:56.295 --> 00:35:00.990 - for this has already been de-appropriated 00:35:01.090 --> 00:35:10.094 - and appropriations have already been appropriated in 1159. So if you choose to have these remain so 00:35:10.094 --> 00:35:19.277 - that she can use them, she'll have to come back and appropriate. But these were the last positions to 00:35:19.277 --> 00:35:28.371 - be moved with regards to those core services that were being questioned. There are, I believe, three 00:35:28.371 --> 00:35:30.622 - positions that are still 00:35:30.850 --> 00:35:37.640 - in 1161, but I'm looking that up right now. Okay. Yeah, and while you're looking that up, I'll go to 00:35:37.640 --> 00:35:44.564 - Councilor Henry. Thank you, Madam President. There's even further complication here because as of July 00:35:44.564 --> 00:35:51.287 - 1, HFI was no longer, or the public health coordinator and public health preparedness director were 00:35:51.287 --> 00:35:57.405 - no longer able to be funded in HFI. If you recall, it was tobacco cessation and the public 00:35:57.405 --> 00:36:00.766 - health preparedness programs that would have been 00:36:00.898 --> 00:36:07.125 - discontinued had we not moved into county dollars, right? So there's a distinction here about at least 00:36:07.125 --> 00:36:13.352 - two of these. And without the health office here, I don't know if a 10113 is one of those as well, but 00:36:13.352 --> 00:36:19.580 - I definitely know just being me that the public health coordinator and the preparedness ones were part 00:36:19.580 --> 00:36:25.746 - of that, that after July 1st were ineligible to be funded by HFI. That's why it moved them. And so we 00:36:25.746 --> 00:36:30.462 - brought them into county dollars for the purpose of preparing the county for, 00:36:30.850 --> 00:36:36.919 - you know, pandemic and other disasters, right? So the other piece of this that has my attention tonight 00:36:36.919 --> 00:36:42.813 - in context of the budget is that we are buying time with the auditor's office, county legal, and the 00:36:42.813 --> 00:36:48.765 - health department to figure out how we're going to manage to take care of people in our community who 00:36:48.765 --> 00:36:54.718 - may not be able to provide proof of citizenship that may have tuberculosis or other things our county 00:36:54.718 --> 00:36:56.702 - health department needs to treat. 00:36:56.802 --> 00:37:03.455 - As of right now, with how we moved things, those services continue, but the clock is ticking for January 00:37:03.455 --> 00:37:09.917 - of 25 when we did the movement in the budget as proposed. So I guess that's also on my mind too, that 00:37:09.917 --> 00:37:16.507 - moving these positions assures we're providing those services universally in the county. And then there 00:37:16.507 --> 00:37:23.160 - are some items that we can't really move anywhere because the consequence would be basically terminating 00:37:23.160 --> 00:37:25.694 - those account lines and persons in them 00:37:25.858 --> 00:37:33.981 - there's nowhere to fund them right now to move them back to HFI. But those are some thoughts I have 00:37:33.981 --> 00:37:42.186 - on that. Thank you. Thank you. I'm a musical chairs of this department. And Michelle, I'm gonna look 00:37:42.186 --> 00:37:50.634 - to you to see if you got that information. Okay. Four positions that are still in 1161. Everything else 00:37:50.634 --> 00:37:51.934 - has been moved. 00:37:52.450 --> 00:38:01.145 - appropriation wise as well to $11.59. This just cleans up the salary ordinance to match what you've 00:38:01.145 --> 00:38:09.928 - done with regards to appropriations. Got it. So whatever you decide. Okay. All right. I'm gonna look 00:38:09.928 --> 00:38:17.406 - over here to my left to see if anybody has any questions on this. No? Okay. I'm gonna 00:38:22.018 --> 00:38:36.869 - and see if you all want to pick up your mic and speak to the mic. Sorry, Madam President, I was contemplating 00:38:36.869 --> 00:38:50.910 - a motion, but I'm not saying a motion right now. Okay. Well, seeing no further discussion on this item. 00:38:51.298 --> 00:38:59.691 - If there are any public commenters that would like to take public comment on this item, you can come 00:38:59.691 --> 00:39:08.167 - forward to the lectern here in the Nattie Hill room, or you can raise your hand via Teams. And seeing 00:39:08.167 --> 00:39:16.976 - none, may we please have a roll call vote? Councilor Feidl? Yes. Councilor Will, or, by pardon, Councilor 00:39:16.976 --> 00:39:21.214 - Henry? Yes. Councilor Hawk? No. Councilor Crosley? 00:39:22.786 --> 00:39:32.873 - Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor Deckard? Yes. Vote passes 5-1. Thank you very much on that item. 00:39:32.873 --> 00:39:43.673 - Next up, we are going to go to new business, which we'll start off with the Sheriff's Office. Item number 00:39:43.673 --> 00:39:50.398 - nine. Council, I will be combining items A and B into one motion. 00:39:50.914 --> 00:40:02.138 - I move to approve the sheriff's request and fund 8103-0000 Operation Pullover for an additional appropriation 00:40:02.138 --> 00:40:12.852 - of $14,908.79 in the personnel category and to simultaneously and fund 1000-0005 County General Sheriff, 00:40:12.852 --> 00:40:18.974 - deappropriate $14,908.79 in the personnel category. Second. 00:40:19.202 --> 00:40:26.791 - We got a motion in a second. We have- Wait, wait. Did I hear 14 million? I'm sorry. Excuse me. 00:40:26.791 --> 00:40:34.940 - Let me check. 14,000. Yes. I'm glad the gallery thinks that's funny. All right. $14,908.79. Okay. Now 00:40:34.940 --> 00:40:43.009 - we balance. Okay. And we're still good. And scene. All right. And now we have Ms. Jamie Yonkey here. 00:40:43.009 --> 00:40:44.926 - Welcome. Hi. Thank you. 00:40:45.410 --> 00:40:52.091 - So this is just housekeeping. It's just the first and the second quarter of the chirp grant, just moving 00:40:52.091 --> 00:40:58.773 - the funds back where they need to be. All right. Doing a little housekeeping here. Seems to be the theme 00:40:58.773 --> 00:41:05.390 - right now. All right. And so if anybody over here to my left have any questions, stand on. Anybody over 00:41:05.390 --> 00:41:08.190 - here to my right have any questions? Go on. 00:41:08.418 --> 00:41:15.970 - All right, seeing none, if there are public comment on this particular item, you can come forward to 00:41:15.970 --> 00:41:23.447 - the lectern here in the net you room, or you can raise your hand via teams. And seeing none, may we 00:41:23.447 --> 00:41:30.999 - please have a roll call vote. Councillor Henry. Yes. Councillor Hawk. Yes. Councillor Crossley. Yes. 00:41:30.999 --> 00:41:36.382 - Councillor Iverson. Yes. Councillor Deckard. Yes. Councillor Fido. Yes. 00:41:36.994 --> 00:41:45.063 - Motion passes 6-0. All right, next up is item C. Council, I will be combining items C and D into one 00:41:45.063 --> 00:41:51.454 - motion. I move to approve the sheriff's request and fund 8143-0000 JAG Sheriff. 00:41:51.618 --> 00:41:58.307 - to create account line two one one two four safety supplies slash equipment and appropriate three thousand 00:41:58.307 --> 00:42:04.620 - eight hundred four dollars in the supplies category and to simultaneously and fund one thousand dash 00:42:04.620 --> 00:42:11.058 - zero zero zero five county general sheriff deappropriate three thousand eight hundred and four dollars 00:42:11.058 --> 00:42:17.809 - in the supplies category second all right what would you like to add to this i think it's just housekeeping 00:42:17.809 --> 00:42:21.310 - just to keep the grant funds where they need to be okay 00:42:22.242 --> 00:42:29.040 - All right, look into my right here to see if you have any questions. Council have any questions on this 00:42:29.040 --> 00:42:36.165 - item? No. And look to my left. Yes, Councilor Decker. I just want to quickly say I appreciate the efficiency 00:42:36.165 --> 00:42:41.982 - of these motions. I think this is awesome. Thank you. Efficiency at its best. All right. 00:42:43.074 --> 00:42:49.989 - Seeing no other further question or discussion from council, we'll move to public comment. If you have 00:42:49.989 --> 00:42:56.702 - public comment, you can raise your hand via Teams, or you could come forward to the lectern here in 00:42:56.702 --> 00:43:04.019 - the Knight-U-Hill room. And seeing none, may we please have a roll call vote? Councilor Hock? Yes. Councilor 00:43:04.019 --> 00:43:10.867 - Crossley? Yes. Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor Deckard? Yes. Councilor Feidl? Yes. Councilor Henry? 00:43:10.867 --> 00:43:12.478 - Yes. Motion passes 6-0. 00:43:13.474 --> 00:43:21.411 - Thank you. Thank you. Have a good night. All right. Next up is item E from the Youth Services Bureau. 00:43:21.411 --> 00:43:29.348 - Council, I move to approve the Youth Service Bureau's request and fund 4111-0000 donation BTCC for an 00:43:29.348 --> 00:43:37.129 - additional appropriation of $1,850 in the services category. Second. All right. We got a motion and 00:43:37.129 --> 00:43:42.654 - a second. It looks like we have Ms. Vanessa Schmidt that is via Teams. 00:43:42.818 --> 00:43:49.859 - and you can go ahead and present. Welcome. So yeah, just a little bit of housekeeping for us as well. 00:43:49.859 --> 00:43:56.762 - I am just requesting the approval of an additional appropriation. Both are donations. One is a $500 00:43:56.762 --> 00:44:04.286 - sponsorship from the city of Bloomington that will again support our 10th annual Monroe County Youth Summit. 00:44:04.546 --> 00:44:13.243 - And then we have another, this is actually not a donation, but this is from trainings that our Bloomington, 00:44:13.243 --> 00:44:21.295 - the building thriving and compassionate community BTCC subcommittee has provided. And that's in the 00:44:21.295 --> 00:44:28.542 - amount of $1,350. Thank you. And glad to hear about those donations for the youth summit. 00:44:28.674 --> 00:44:35.413 - I'm excited to hear about that. All right. Thank you. Looking to my right over here and seeing if anybody 00:44:35.413 --> 00:44:41.962 - has any questions. Yes, Councillor Henry. Thank you. Just a comment related to just the great receipts 00:44:41.962 --> 00:44:48.638 - that we have here. It's refreshing to still see words like equity and inclusion on government documents. 00:44:48.638 --> 00:44:55.186 - And so I'm a fan of the BTCC program and what they've done in the community. I'm just glad to see that 00:44:55.186 --> 00:44:58.238 - is in fact, as they say, thriving in its title. 00:44:58.978 --> 00:45:05.796 - That was nice to see. I'd like to see it too. All right. Anybody else have any questions on the side 00:45:05.796 --> 00:45:12.681 - related to this item or comments? Seeing none, looking to my left. All right. Seeing none. All right. 00:45:12.681 --> 00:45:19.567 - So we'll move to public comment. If you have public comment on this item, you can come forward to the 00:45:19.567 --> 00:45:26.655 - lectern here in the Nightingale room or you can raise your hand via Teams. And seeing none, maybe please 00:45:26.655 --> 00:45:27.870 - have a roll call. 00:45:28.802 --> 00:45:36.784 - Councillor Iverson? Yes. Councillor Deckard? Yes. Councillor Feidl? Yes. Councillor Wilt? Yes. Councillor 00:45:36.784 --> 00:45:44.690 - Henry? Yes. Councillor Hawke? Yes. I'm saying yes. Oh, thank you. Councillor Crosley? Yes. Motion passes 00:45:44.690 --> 00:45:52.371 - 6-0. All right. Thank you for that. Next up, we're still sticking with Youth Services Bureau for item 00:45:52.371 --> 00:45:53.726 - number or item F. 00:45:53.986 --> 00:46:02.558 - Council, I move to approve the Youth Service Bureau's request and fund 8120-9626, Runaway Homeless Youth Grant. 00:46:02.690 --> 00:46:11.717 - for the creation of new account lines outlined on the agenda and to simultaneously approve additional 00:46:11.717 --> 00:46:20.744 - appropriations of $159,748 in the personnel category, $6,750 in the supplies category, and $15,594 in 00:46:20.744 --> 00:46:29.948 - the services category for a total appropriation of $182,092. Second. All right, and what would you like 00:46:29.948 --> 00:46:31.806 - to add to this item? 00:46:33.282 --> 00:46:39.618 - Again, this is our runaway and homeless youth grant. It is a three year grant that we are awarded, but 00:46:39.618 --> 00:46:45.832 - we apply for a continuation every year. And so this is our second year of the fiscal funding in that 00:46:45.832 --> 00:46:52.291 - three year grant period. And we're just requesting appropriation of that $182,092. Well, congratulations 00:46:52.291 --> 00:46:58.689 - on obtaining that grant. Thank you. Yes, you're very welcome. I will look to my right because I already 00:46:58.689 --> 00:47:00.350 - saw a hand counselor Hawk. 00:47:00.962 --> 00:47:09.694 - Yes, as many times if I've been speaking with you lately, I don't why I didn't ask you this question. 00:47:09.694 --> 00:47:18.855 - But what I see, they have some salaries in here. And since this is covered with a grant, do those salaries 00:47:18.855 --> 00:47:27.416 - stay as the grant as it's entered here? Whether or not there's a raise? The other thing I wanted to 00:47:27.416 --> 00:47:29.214 - check on, and I see, 00:47:29.314 --> 00:47:37.294 - that you have covered the self-insurance out of this grant. That is really a very good thing because 00:47:37.294 --> 00:47:45.433 - when we accept a grant and it actually ends up costing a lot of money out of that insurance fund, it's 00:47:45.433 --> 00:47:52.702 - good for the grant to be written such that it can include that self-insurance in the grant. 00:47:54.850 --> 00:48:00.697 - Yeah, so when we apply initially at the three-year mark, we don't always know what those COLA raises 00:48:00.697 --> 00:48:06.602 - are going to look like. Sorry, I feel like there's a lot of feedback. Sorry. I don't always know what 00:48:06.602 --> 00:48:12.623 - those COLA raises are going to look like. And so we make adjustments each year through our continuation 00:48:12.623 --> 00:48:18.413 - apps. So if there is a COLA increase that we weren't anticipating, then we will make adjustments in 00:48:18.413 --> 00:48:23.102 - our supplies category, outreach category, to make up for that amount. Thank you. 00:48:24.450 --> 00:48:31.436 - All right. I'm going to look to my left here to see if anybody else has any questions. All right. Last 00:48:31.436 --> 00:48:38.626 - call over here. All right. Seeing none. If there is any public comment on this item, you can come forward 00:48:38.626 --> 00:48:45.477 - to the lectern here in the night. You know, room where you can raise your hand via teams. And seeing 00:48:45.477 --> 00:48:52.395 - none, may we please have a roll call vote. Councillor Decker. Yes. Councillor Fiddle. Yes. Councillor 00:48:52.395 --> 00:48:54.430 - Henry. Yes. Councillor Hawke. 00:48:54.882 --> 00:49:02.205 - Yes. Councillor Crossley. Yes. Councillor Iverson. Yes. Motion passes six zero. Thank you very much. 00:49:02.205 --> 00:49:09.746 - Have a good night. Thank you. Thanks. All right. Next up, since we, as a reminder, we disabled the item 00:49:09.746 --> 00:49:17.142 - G, we are moving to item H, which is the board of commissioners for the 2025 general obligation bond. 00:49:17.142 --> 00:49:19.390 - Get ready. This is a long one. 00:49:19.554 --> 00:49:26.378 - Council, I move to open for discussion and establish this as the first reading of ordinance 2025-30, 00:49:26.378 --> 00:49:33.472 - an ordinance authorizing the issuance of general obligation bonds in ordinance 2025-31, an appropriation 00:49:33.472 --> 00:49:40.566 - ordinance for the general obligation bond of $6.1 million for projects which include but are not limited 00:49:40.566 --> 00:49:45.566 - to, one, design plans for improvements at the Monroe County Airport, two, 00:49:45.826 --> 00:49:52.949 - Remodeling of the showers building, primarily for renovations for voter and election services. Three, 00:49:52.949 --> 00:50:00.073 - vehicles. Four, improvements at the Youth Services Bureau, Monroe County Nature Preserve, courthouse, 00:50:00.073 --> 00:50:07.126 - courthouse grounds, emergency management building. Number five, body cameras. Number six, non-lethal 00:50:07.126 --> 00:50:14.110 - force equipment for the sheriff's department. Number seven, airport furniture, tools and equipment. 00:50:14.594 --> 00:50:21.983 - Item number eight, which is the last one, emergency management sirens and equipment and all related 00:50:21.983 --> 00:50:29.593 - improvements and the incidental expenses in connection with these projects. All right, we got a motion 00:50:29.593 --> 00:50:37.573 - and a second and back again is Mr. Draft Cockroach, Ms. Angie Purdy and Commissioner Julie Thomas. Welcome. 00:50:37.573 --> 00:50:43.262 - And I think I'll start off because this this document I've prepared and I've 00:50:43.458 --> 00:50:50.553 - reviewed and brought a document similar to this every year for the last 15 years. And this is probably 00:50:50.553 --> 00:50:57.580 - the first time it's had really a substantial difference to what we had done in the previous year. And 00:50:57.580 --> 00:51:04.606 - there really are two differences in this ordinance. And they both are kind of a result of Senate Bill 00:51:04.606 --> 00:51:09.566 - 1. The first is our typical term has historically been a one-year bond. 00:51:10.114 --> 00:51:18.168 - With the recent legislation, there is a cooling off period where in order to be able to issue this bond, 00:51:18.168 --> 00:51:26.375 - we have to make this bond longer than five years. So I believe what you have in front of you is a six-year 00:51:26.375 --> 00:51:33.662 - bond. And so that's one of the major differences. The other is the amount on it is $6 million. 00:51:33.890 --> 00:51:41.137 - Typically, we do $3.1 million, $3 million for the project costs, and then $100,000. And that was done 00:51:41.137 --> 00:51:48.241 - solely so you guys would have the discretion whether you wanted to stick with the kind of standard, 00:51:48.241 --> 00:51:55.346 - the old amount of 3.1 or whether you wanted to expand it to 6 million due to what you see as needs, 00:51:55.346 --> 00:51:57.406 - fiscal needs for the county. 00:51:57.730 --> 00:52:04.311 - And so those are kind of the two major changes from what this group has looked at in the past. So if 00:52:04.311 --> 00:52:10.892 - you have any questions about those changes, I'm more than happy to answer them. Otherwise, I'll turn 00:52:10.892 --> 00:52:17.603 - it over to the people who actually know the projects and they can explain to you what they wish to do. 00:52:17.603 --> 00:52:24.249 - I already saw a hand, Councilor Hawk. Yes. Since there's a one year cooling off time, if we don't use 00:52:24.249 --> 00:52:26.334 - six year plan, but we could use 00:52:26.786 --> 00:52:38.116 - that our regular plan if at the beginning of next year and not do one this year. Could we not? I think 00:52:38.116 --> 00:52:46.366 - that's something we talked with. I think what the code says is that in the 00:52:46.626 --> 00:52:53.767 - Basically, the final year you pay it off, which we would have paid off last year's bond this year, then 00:52:53.767 --> 00:53:00.770 - you have a one year cooling off after that payment occurs. So I think we would have to wait till 2027 00:53:00.770 --> 00:53:04.958 - to issue the bond. Thank you. That made it more clear to me. 00:53:08.162 --> 00:53:15.096 - Yes, Councilor Henry. Thank you, and thank you, Jeff, and everyone for putting this together. I do have 00:53:15.096 --> 00:53:22.229 - a few questions. So it's page 71 in the packet, but it's the exhibit A-1, which is description of projects 00:53:22.229 --> 00:53:28.963 - and the actual language of the bond itself, not the spreadsheet. And that's, I think, what Councilor 00:53:28.963 --> 00:53:34.430 - Iverson basically read in this evening as well in terms of the types of projects. 00:53:34.786 --> 00:53:40.472 - There's a line in here that says projects include but are not limited to. Is that a standard phrase 00:53:40.472 --> 00:53:46.443 - that you've used in the previous 15 years of bonds? Absolutely. Okay. So that's what gives us the wiggle 00:53:46.443 --> 00:53:52.130 - room for potentially re-obligating a project one way or another. Is that right? I think at the end, 00:53:52.130 --> 00:53:57.930 - as well as all related improvements and incidental expenses, a connection with these projects is also 00:53:57.930 --> 00:54:00.830 - another area where you get a little bit of wiggle. 00:54:00.994 --> 00:54:07.569 - Okay, so I guess my question is then about, you know, there's an additional sheet that was provided 00:54:07.569 --> 00:54:14.407 - to council about some of the other projects that are listed here. For example, TSD 500,000 for laptops, 00:54:14.407 --> 00:54:21.179 - stormwater 450,000 for street sweeper. These were items that, of course, we removed from the 26 budget 00:54:21.179 --> 00:54:27.294 - that are now in the bond. And I'll only speak for myself here and not other council members. 00:54:27.586 --> 00:54:33.352 - My intention was that we actually go back to the 11 years of previous bonds, the 5.9 million that is 00:54:33.352 --> 00:54:39.289 - already sitting there, and look to those line items to include but are not limited to repurposing those 00:54:39.289 --> 00:54:45.227 - to find some resources. What this seems to have done is to take the items we've removed from the budget 00:54:45.227 --> 00:54:50.936 - and added it onto the large bond, but correct my, disabuse me of my thought process here. I want to 00:54:50.936 --> 00:54:53.790 - make sure I understand what we're adding on here. 00:54:58.018 --> 00:55:12.396 - I guess I, so. Some are from the budget. That would be the stormwater $450,000. That is also the 102,000 00:55:12.396 --> 00:55:26.364 - for airport, for furniture, tools and equipment and things of that nature. The YSB is from the budget 00:55:26.364 --> 00:55:27.870 - at 55,000. 00:55:30.466 --> 00:55:39.632 - Those were the only things that we actually took from the proposed 2026 budget and put into this proposed 00:55:39.632 --> 00:55:48.280 - 2025 grant. The TSD sheriff, those are body cameras and tasers. That's actually a five-year program 00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:56.927 - at $440,000 a year. And the laptops are for the squad vehicles, and that's at $500,000. I see that. 00:55:56.927 --> 00:55:59.262 - I guess I'll just restate. 00:55:59.554 --> 00:56:05.262 - the way I put it. And again, I'll leave it to other counselors to maybe explain what they thought we 00:56:05.262 --> 00:56:11.140 - were doing when we were cutting items out of the budget in terms of seeking previous bonds and use that 00:56:11.140 --> 00:56:16.904 - we have that has been languishing, frankly. And I know that you've said it's accounted for, there are 00:56:16.904 --> 00:56:22.725 - projects that are in mind, but we don't have the granularity beyond that initial sheet. And so I guess 00:56:22.725 --> 00:56:28.094 - when I had proposed this, my goal was to use what we had and not add onto the pile. I see you, 00:56:28.194 --> 00:56:35.398 - you know, gesticulating maybe a disagreement with that idea. I mean, that's what I'm after here. The 00:56:35.398 --> 00:56:42.532 - second thing I guess I would ask is, in the laundry list of projects, do you have a final number on 00:56:42.532 --> 00:56:49.879 - the cost of the mold in the justice building for the work that was done? I don't have that off the top 00:56:49.879 --> 00:56:56.798 - of my head. I think the most recent, I don't know, do you guys remember, did you see it come in? 00:56:57.602 --> 00:57:05.056 - It's like 24. I think 24,000 comes off to the top of my head. So I'm not sure where that's coming from 00:57:05.056 --> 00:57:12.510 - Okay, and how was that paid for? special projects we paid for it out of special projects in cumulative 00:57:12.510 --> 00:57:19.891 - capital development Is there a reason why justice building isn't listed as a possibility for projects 00:57:19.891 --> 00:57:23.582 - in this particular bond over five years? It wasn't 00:57:23.842 --> 00:57:31.158 - What we did is we put together all of the projects that had been presented to us and things that we 00:57:31.158 --> 00:57:38.767 - knew that needed to be done. I did recognize that the justice building is not on here. And it generally 00:57:38.767 --> 00:57:42.718 - is a huge cost to Monroe County government. The mold. 00:57:42.946 --> 00:57:51.044 - remediation has been remediated and we have it'll be coming to the commissioners in a couple of in a 00:57:51.044 --> 00:57:59.704 - week. I think it is a proposed long-term plan to how to address the issues within that particular building. 00:57:59.704 --> 00:58:07.962 - Going back to the issue about the prior bonds those I don't know how else to say it those projects are 00:58:07.962 --> 00:58:09.566 - already in play and 00:58:09.698 --> 00:58:17.812 - If there was some money left in a bond from prior years that was for vehicles, we've already pooled 00:58:17.812 --> 00:58:26.412 - that and are using that for the vehicles now. Like I was here at your last meeting, I believe, requesting 00:58:26.412 --> 00:58:34.932 - additional funds for sheriff vehicles at Accumulative Capital. I was able to reduce that request because 00:58:34.932 --> 00:58:36.798 - of unused prior lines, 00:58:37.058 --> 00:58:43.839 - that were specific for sheriff vehicles that we were able to take and just go ahead and apply that to 00:58:43.839 --> 00:58:50.686 - the cost of vehicles coming out at this time. So we don't have money in old bonds that can be used for 00:58:50.686 --> 00:58:57.534 - any of these particular new projects. Whenever we have a capital project come up and we don't have the 00:58:57.534 --> 00:59:04.182 - funding, we go to the bonds first to make sure if there's been a project that has been expended and 00:59:04.182 --> 00:59:06.974 - there's some money left if we can use it. 00:59:07.746 --> 00:59:14.855 - but the money goes to the projects in that bond first. So like when Parks has a project, if there's 00:59:14.855 --> 00:59:22.178 - money, if they need more money for their project, we will transfer from another line. I understand the 00:59:22.178 --> 00:59:29.500 - interpretation. I'm reading it differently because it's not that granular in the exhibit. And it seems 00:59:29.500 --> 00:59:34.974 - that when we have found resource, and that's a word we've used in this room, 00:59:35.330 --> 00:59:41.229 - it strikes me as interesting because there would be more detail or granularity in that project. It shouldn't 00:59:41.229 --> 00:59:46.750 - be found, I guess is my point. And I'm gonna keep coming back to this because there seems to be some, 00:59:46.750 --> 00:59:52.270 - maybe, it's hard to talk in this room sometimes. There may be some talking past each other about what 00:59:52.270 --> 00:59:57.953 - that money really is and how it gets obligated and de-obligated as projects devolve or evolve over time. 00:59:57.953 --> 01:00:03.582 - That's all I have on it. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Councilor Everson. I have, I'm sorry, did you use? 01:00:03.810 --> 01:00:12.003 - I was just wondering if I could respond briefly. I know that this party has provided a regularly updated 01:00:12.003 --> 01:00:19.805 - spreadsheet to council, which lists out the quote unquote leftover money. And it's not, you know, I 01:00:19.805 --> 01:00:27.764 - don't want the public to think we're sitting on millions of dollars in this big slush fund that we're 01:00:27.764 --> 01:00:33.694 - going to spend on gold taps or something. This is, this is, it's a regular, 01:00:33.922 --> 01:00:42.764 - effort. And I mean, regular effort that is put into a project need comes up. That's the first place 01:00:42.764 --> 01:00:52.136 - she looks is previous bonds, special projects, our current budget, what can we do? Then if it's something 01:00:52.136 --> 01:01:01.509 - that really has to happen, we go geo bond. And the whole reason geo bonds are so important to this county 01:01:01.509 --> 01:01:03.454 - is because years ago, 01:01:03.650 --> 01:01:10.806 - back when I was on council even before I was on council. The decision was made and obviously forced 01:01:10.806 --> 01:01:17.962 - to be made on the council. The fact that cable franchise fees were going down and we no longer have 01:01:17.962 --> 01:01:25.262 - money for technical services, so therefore we're going to use cumulative capital development fund. So 01:01:25.262 --> 01:01:31.774 - that decision was made years ago. Now, cable franchise fee would never have supported this 01:01:32.066 --> 01:01:43.861 - that we need every year for our technical services department. It certainly couldn't pay for the vastly 01:01:43.861 --> 01:01:55.203 - increased. Budget that we need every year for software- and so. What should be the capital fund. Is 01:01:55.203 --> 01:02:01.214 - pretty minimal. For the commissioners to utilize for 01:02:01.442 --> 01:02:09.298 - the list that looks very general to you for geo bonds it always bothered me too always when I first 01:02:09.298 --> 01:02:17.232 - started this job but it is general for a reason and it's and it's always that been that way it's not 01:02:17.232 --> 01:02:25.245 - something that we invented but at the same time if if changes are made here the commissioners will go 01:02:25.245 --> 01:02:28.702 - back and amend our resolution to match what 01:02:29.026 --> 01:02:35.811 - You all want in there, OK? And I would just point out that the exhibit that we're talking about does 01:02:35.811 --> 01:02:42.663 - not have laptops in it or computer equipment and a couple in the. We have to go back anyway, this the 01:02:42.663 --> 01:02:49.380 - street sweeper. So if those were things we wanted to fund with this bond, I know that there is some 01:02:49.380 --> 01:02:56.098 - wiggle room, but it's it is wiggle room. It's not a it's not a hole that we I would I would I would 01:02:56.098 --> 01:02:58.046 - ask that we would amend that 01:02:58.818 --> 01:03:04.554 - description of projects to include those things. And then we would go back to the commissioners and 01:03:04.554 --> 01:03:10.291 - amend this project description of projects to include those things so that it's there. I mean, part 01:03:10.291 --> 01:03:16.084 - of what this description of projects to me is telling the public, here is what our intent to use the 01:03:16.084 --> 01:03:21.534 - money for and what we're taxing for. So we want it to be as complete and accurate as possible. 01:03:23.266 --> 01:03:28.625 - I'm going to acknowledge that I see Councilor Hogg's hand, but I know Councilor Iverson had his hand 01:03:28.625 --> 01:03:33.984 - up first before Commissioner Thomas made a comment. So I'm going to go to Councilor Iverson and then 01:03:33.984 --> 01:03:39.290 - I'll come back to you, Councilor Hogg. I've got three questions on three separate lines. I'm taking 01:03:39.290 --> 01:03:44.967 - this in a new direction. Could we look at line number 12? On the sheet that I have in front of me, there's 01:03:44.967 --> 01:03:48.734 - an acronym and I don't know what that acronym is. Historic Courthouse. 01:03:48.930 --> 01:03:58.303 - The second question is the airport projects. Are any of these FAA? I mean, I know that we are waiting 01:03:58.303 --> 01:04:07.860 - on some FAA dollars to come in. Do we know? I don't know if Carlos is online, but I know that we needed 01:04:07.860 --> 01:04:12.638 - to put in some funds, but I thought that there was. 01:04:12.802 --> 01:04:19.980 - And I earlier this year, we brought a resolution actually to the county council that we were that we're 01:04:19.980 --> 01:04:26.952 - going to expend money for. And I know this 184, 439 line five tower project. So so we went ahead and 01:04:26.952 --> 01:04:34.268 - did that. And there was a resolution that said, hey, if we get a general obligation bond, we'll reimburse 01:04:34.268 --> 01:04:38.686 - the airport, whatever funding source they used to pay for that. 01:04:39.202 --> 01:04:46.645 - And that was to get a leg up, because I believe this is like the final year for a certain grant that 01:04:46.645 --> 01:04:54.310 - pays for these kind of things. And I spoke with Carlos last week. We don't know if we've gotten it yet, 01:04:54.310 --> 01:05:01.753 - but he's fairly optimistic that we're in good shape with that. So I know for a fact that that one is 01:05:01.753 --> 01:05:03.006 - tied directly to 01:05:03.106 --> 01:05:09.527 - what I always consider pulling a highway and getting all the preliminary design work done before you 01:05:09.527 --> 01:05:15.885 - apply for a grant because it really increases your chances of getting that grant. So I know that is 01:05:15.885 --> 01:05:22.243 - what that for. I would assume that probably the furniture tools and equipment are probably not part 01:05:22.243 --> 01:05:28.664 - of a FAA grant, but the ARF equipment and ATCT equipment probably are or could be, and those are the 01:05:28.664 --> 01:05:32.606 - kind of things we see more federal grants for than the other. 01:05:33.314 --> 01:05:38.808 - All right, and my third and final question is about the nature preserve I am outright giddy about this, 01:05:38.808 --> 01:05:44.090 - I am really excited and I just want to be clear that we are talking about the mineral county nature 01:05:44.090 --> 01:05:49.214 - preserve here right. This is so exciting, this is on the east side I run past here all the time. 01:05:49.474 --> 01:05:55.607 - And so I think the last time that Kelly was in front of us, we talked a lot about the invasives, and 01:05:55.607 --> 01:06:01.801 - we were going to have to plant a whole bunch of trees to make sure that those invasives. Is that what 01:06:01.801 --> 01:06:07.874 - this money is for? Or is this money for trails? I mean, I understand the dog park is different. I'm 01:06:07.874 --> 01:06:14.008 - talking about the other line. She's going to talk about that. Thank you, Commissioner. I do not have 01:06:14.008 --> 01:06:19.230 - a spreadsheet from me, so it's what I remember. I'm sure it's going to be sufficient. 01:06:20.322 --> 01:06:28.481 - The 775 includes a brand new entrance because we do not have one. It includes all of the dirt work, 01:06:28.481 --> 01:06:36.885 - the stormwater, the planning and building requirements. Our park staff will be the general contractor. 01:06:36.885 --> 01:06:44.392 - So we will not be hiring all of that work out. We'll have to have ADA parking for planning. 01:06:44.392 --> 01:06:47.166 - We have ADA trail. We have trees. 01:06:47.330 --> 01:06:54.293 - wildflowers. And yes, this includes some trees in there also. So it looks like a large number, but we 01:06:54.293 --> 01:07:01.393 - can't open unless we do all the things that stormwater planning and building require of us. And it also 01:07:01.393 --> 01:07:08.288 - includes the equipment for our park staff to do this. If we don't have the equipment, our park staff 01:07:08.288 --> 01:07:13.886 - cannot build this. Does that answer? It does. And can I ask a follow up question? 01:07:14.050 --> 01:07:22.239 - Yes. Because we had to change the term of this bond to six years, is that going to change the timelines 01:07:22.239 --> 01:07:30.192 - for getting all these things set up at all? No, our goal is if we can get our engineer on board, our 01:07:30.192 --> 01:07:38.066 - park staff will start, if we have money, start constructing next year, which is 2026, and we can be 01:07:38.066 --> 01:07:40.350 - open by 2027. That's a tight 01:07:40.866 --> 01:07:48.216 - tight building, but our park staff is up for it only if they have the equipment. If they don't have 01:07:48.216 --> 01:07:55.566 - the equipment, I always say our park superintendent with one shovel isn't going to do it. No. And I 01:07:55.566 --> 01:08:03.136 - just clarify that the six years is the repayment schedule. We would get the proceeds up front. Another 01:08:03.136 --> 01:08:09.310 - question? No, I think I've talked enough. I'll look to Councilor Honk and go ahead. 01:08:11.490 --> 01:08:20.080 - Okay, I have more than one thing to discuss. First of all, I just have to I'm trying not to chuckle. 01:08:20.080 --> 01:08:28.925 - But those of us who remember when someone an employee who came at who decided that we did not need that 01:08:28.925 --> 01:08:31.646 - sprinkler was a waste of water. 01:08:32.322 --> 01:08:39.524 - and he tore our sprinklers out of the ground. You do not remember? And then to water all those plants, 01:08:39.524 --> 01:08:46.656 - he was carrying buckets of water out there, like I was gonna say, and he tore them out of the ground. 01:08:46.656 --> 01:08:51.550 - I think he was, well, I know who it was, but I guess I won't say who. 01:08:52.066 --> 01:08:58.766 - It wasn't anybody sitting here right now. There's something in the ground now. We do have a system. 01:08:58.766 --> 01:09:05.600 - But the system is so hinky that we get calls on a weekend because somebody is trying to walk down the 01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:12.366 - sidewalk and the water is just pouring out of our sprinkler system. So we need to update it. And I'm 01:09:12.366 --> 01:09:19.066 - just saying, I remember he was so happy he had it. He took his picture. He tore it up. So I hope if 01:09:19.066 --> 01:09:22.014 - we do put it in there, we won't rip it out. 01:09:22.178 --> 01:09:31.667 - the next two because we're trying to save water. Then a question about the courthouse steps. I'm thinking, 01:09:31.667 --> 01:09:40.713 - what about that 147,000 approximately that we are asking for from the community foundation? So that's 01:09:40.713 --> 01:09:49.936 - part of my question there because we were going to talk about that tonight. I guess we're going to talk 01:09:49.936 --> 01:09:51.710 - about it next week. 01:09:51.970 --> 01:10:00.755 - and it's it's for work for historic buildings so that there is there is a fund for historic building 01:10:00.755 --> 01:10:09.628 - preservation the the steps are the limestone steps and they're in disrepair we want to make sure that 01:10:09.628 --> 01:10:17.630 - there we we have obviously in mind that we we do know that canopy alights is every november 01:10:18.146 --> 01:10:25.840 - but we all but we do know that the sesquicentennial is next july and so we want to make sure that the 01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:33.458 - steps are in decent shape by then but um do you want to talk about that something sure um so the the 01:10:33.458 --> 01:10:40.926 - to complete the steps um it's going to be a little over two hundred thousand dollars uh that's for 01:10:41.410 --> 01:10:51.298 - Basically, we're going to make some nice new caps for the treads and then follow it up with ADA compliant 01:10:51.298 --> 01:11:00.626 - handrails. And then there's going to be approximately $50,000 to repair the sidewalks where they're 01:11:00.626 --> 01:11:09.022 - cracked and busted in different locations and $5,000 to replace the dove on the monument. 01:11:10.306 --> 01:11:18.458 - I'm not objecting to steps being repaired. I've fallen up those steps before around the courthouse. 01:11:18.458 --> 01:11:26.366 - I just wanted to say there's an opportunity maybe to use that other 147 and not use all of that. 01:11:26.626 --> 01:11:34.406 - Then I moving on to another question and having to do with the money for the nature preserve. So my 01:11:34.406 --> 01:11:42.264 - question is what that's not our only park, of course. What about that query part that we put so much 01:11:42.264 --> 01:11:48.254 - money, you know, got the query part and that's so, you know, and we're we're 01:11:48.386 --> 01:11:56.431 - I'm wondering if we could assist in any way covering some of that, or we've wonder if could we cover 01:11:56.431 --> 01:12:04.476 - some of that with the food and beverage tax revenue? So I'm wondering if we could assist in any way. 01:12:04.476 --> 01:12:12.840 - I'm just throwing out some ideas. Some suggestions are you looking at me? And that the quarry the quarry 01:12:12.840 --> 01:12:15.070 - Park project is not a Parks 01:12:15.298 --> 01:12:24.241 - dollars for development, we got stalled because we didn't know about the location of the new justice 01:12:24.241 --> 01:12:33.715 - center because that's on the south side of that new park land. And now we know with our budget constraints 01:12:33.715 --> 01:12:42.569 - that the roadway we thought was going to be there to feed people to that park will not be there. So 01:12:42.569 --> 01:12:44.606 - we're going to have to 01:12:44.802 --> 01:12:54.157 - re-imagine all of that in terms of using Arlington. That is a food and beverage based project and no 01:12:54.157 --> 01:13:03.697 - money has been spent yet, but we are actively working in committee and we have, once we have our first 01:13:03.697 --> 01:13:05.086 - frost, I'm not 01:13:05.730 --> 01:13:13.152 - we're not going to be able to do that. We're certainly not suggesting we speed the clock up in the world 01:13:13.152 --> 01:13:20.504 - anymore than we already have it. But but once there's our first frost, we're going to go back out with. 01:13:20.504 --> 01:13:27.714 - Um an expert in limestone equipment, and we're going to take a look at what's there and, um. Continue 01:13:27.714 --> 01:13:31.390 - in our committee meetings to move to the next step. 01:13:32.226 --> 01:13:40.526 - I'm trying to get through this question. The other thing I heard comments made about how the Q cap doesn't 01:13:40.526 --> 01:13:48.749 - cover very much. There's very little left. And as a reminder, the commissioners used about a half million 01:13:48.749 --> 01:13:54.334 - dollars. I believe that's the number every year that's going out there. 01:13:54.466 --> 01:14:02.167 - for the parking garage. And now however many years ago that was, but we know that parking garages are 01:14:02.167 --> 01:14:10.095 - supposed to have a lifetime expectancy of 30 years. So perhaps it's not gonna be paid off until 30 years 01:14:10.095 --> 01:14:17.720 - is up. That's kind of thing goes on. But we need to remind ourselves that that's why they don't have 01:14:17.720 --> 01:14:21.118 - much left in that QM cap to spend every year 01:14:21.506 --> 01:14:29.514 - because they opted to use it for a parking garage. So, I mean, I just, that's some history I think we 01:14:29.514 --> 01:14:37.522 - need to remember. That's an interesting point. I appreciate that comment. I kind of, as we are on the 01:14:37.522 --> 01:14:45.609 - cum cap, I kind of want to bring it back because as we're talking about this, it kind of, conversation 01:14:45.609 --> 01:14:50.398 - from Councilor Henry kind of conjured up something else. So, 01:14:50.786 --> 01:14:57.935 - As we look at QCAP, and Ms. Purdy was talking about, we look at trying to transfer a line of items for 01:14:57.935 --> 01:15:04.876 - certain things related to the Justice Center, and then anything from there, then we kind of look at 01:15:04.876 --> 01:15:11.817 - QCAP to see how we can go from there. And then potentially, I guess last resort would be the bonds. 01:15:11.817 --> 01:15:16.606 - My question is, because in listening to the conversations related to 01:15:16.738 --> 01:15:24.838 - the justice center and listening to employees and whatnot talk about the building and some of the some 01:15:24.838 --> 01:15:32.781 - of the items that were discussed in terms of remediation which was Oh, why am I blinking? Ah, it was 01:15:32.781 --> 01:15:40.645 - the HVAC system that was supposed to be brought up and then the obvious problem was the water issue 01:15:40.645 --> 01:15:41.982 - that was a thing 01:15:42.306 --> 01:15:50.876 - And obviously the water source, what was mentioned in that meeting was the water source was a thing 01:15:50.876 --> 01:15:59.617 - that we needed to figure out where that was coming from to potentially remediate all of these issues. 01:15:59.617 --> 01:16:08.443 - I guess my question is, is there any idea on the horizon to either use QCAP if there is something left 01:16:08.443 --> 01:16:11.614 - in QCAP or could we possibly look at 01:16:11.778 --> 01:16:22.521 - working out the HVAC system where we can put that in the geo bond. Since those were conversations that 01:16:22.521 --> 01:16:33.159 - were brought up during those meetings. I'm not sure I'm going to answer your question, but I can talk 01:16:33.159 --> 01:16:38.270 - about the condensation. Right now, that building 01:16:38.722 --> 01:16:47.719 - is what they refer to as out of balance. And it means your supplier and your return air aren't even. 01:16:47.719 --> 01:16:56.806 - And because of that happens, it pulls more air from the outside of the building to try to even itself 01:16:56.806 --> 01:17:05.981 - out. This summer, you're out of balance. You're pulling in air that's already 80% humidity, and you're 01:17:05.981 --> 01:17:08.030 - unable to reduce that. 01:17:08.802 --> 01:17:16.947 - Therefore, anything that's not insulated condensates and drips. And as far as funding, I can let somebody 01:17:16.947 --> 01:17:25.169 - else talk about that. Well, there is the sleep system that was used, right? That's already been installed. 01:17:25.169 --> 01:17:33.007 - Yeah. Yeah, and I believe the controls have been, there was an issue with the controls with it. Yeah, 01:17:33.007 --> 01:17:36.158 - we just took last commissioner's meeting 01:17:36.450 --> 01:17:49.789 - Some projects to to improve the controls further We've we've done a lot of insulating lately So it's 01:17:49.789 --> 01:18:00.222 - it's in progress Okay CCD Okay, I guess what I maybe I didn't hear maybe I'm I 01:18:00.418 --> 01:18:07.556 - not too savvy on that, is the conversation related to the HVAC system, because that was something that 01:18:07.556 --> 01:18:15.179 - people were discussing in terms of, hey, can we have this looked at? And I walked away from that conversation 01:18:15.179 --> 01:18:22.317 - at least thinking that that was something that was going to be looked at, at least that was mentioned. 01:18:22.317 --> 01:18:29.246 - So are we saying that QCAP is going to cover that? I'm not sure what the question, I mean, so I did 01:18:29.246 --> 01:18:30.078 - hear people 01:18:31.042 --> 01:18:42.436 - I think, okay, so I believe the question is that there is a perception that we were going to have the 01:18:42.436 --> 01:18:44.670 - HVAC system tested. 01:18:45.634 --> 01:18:51.967 - Well, it wasn't so much that it was tested. I thought I remember, and I'm forgetting his name right 01:18:51.967 --> 01:18:58.362 - now, but I swear I remember and listening to the conversation that people were saying that there was 01:18:58.362 --> 01:19:04.188 - an HVAC problem and they wanted to look at the the ducts and whatnot. And that was at least 01:19:04.188 --> 01:19:10.774 - to my understanding. Now, that was also at the time I just came back from surgery and I could have been 01:19:10.774 --> 01:19:13.054 - delusional, but I don't think I am. 01:19:13.186 --> 01:19:20.813 - I was thinking that we were going to have that be looked or that the HVAC system was something that 01:19:20.813 --> 01:19:28.821 - was going to be looked at since the people were complaining about the ducks and all of the items blowing 01:19:28.821 --> 01:19:36.677 - through the air. I guess that's what I'm getting at. Okay. I think I'm on the same page. The issue was 01:19:36.677 --> 01:19:41.406 - people are concerned about the duct work. The issue though is 01:19:41.634 --> 01:19:51.718 - we have the airspace tested. And if it tests within acceptable levels and there's no guidance on mold, 01:19:51.718 --> 01:20:01.508 - then we're at acceptable levels. So we're not going to keep diving down to find more problems if we 01:20:01.508 --> 01:20:09.438 - don't have a problem. So if we're at an acceptable level, good. If we're at a... 01:20:10.178 --> 01:20:17.324 - can't remember what it's called, slightly elevated maybe level, then we need to find the source of the 01:20:17.324 --> 01:20:24.470 - problem. So then we need to look into is there, and that's what they did. So that goes in and they try 01:20:24.470 --> 01:20:31.477 - to find where the problem is. They try to find where it's wet, things of that nature, remediate that 01:20:31.477 --> 01:20:36.958 - situation, resolve that situation. We got rid of the condensation that solved. 01:20:37.154 --> 01:20:48.221 - that particular problem. And then plus they use the kill spray on the mold. So I do believe that there 01:20:48.221 --> 01:20:58.966 - were some people who don't catch the fact that what we are looking at is the air that we breathe in 01:20:58.966 --> 01:21:05.950 - the room. And it doesn't necessarily matter what's in that duct. 01:21:06.754 --> 01:21:15.673 - if what you're smelling, what you're breathing in here is of acceptable levels. Does that make sense? 01:21:15.673 --> 01:21:24.505 - It does. I guess not. I'm seeing it a little differently. And I don't want to continue to keep going 01:21:24.505 --> 01:21:33.686 - back and forth here. And I'm not trying to be rude at all or anything. But I remember that it was almost 01:21:33.686 --> 01:21:36.222 - a surprise to Sarah from VET 01:21:36.322 --> 01:21:44.609 - that we hadn't looked at the HVAC system because there were literally comments that were made where 01:21:44.609 --> 01:21:53.062 - people were saying that there is, you know, they were surprised that Mr. Garner hadn't looked at that 01:21:53.062 --> 01:22:01.432 - yet. And so I was just, I guess the reason why I keep coming back to this conversation is because if 01:22:01.432 --> 01:22:06.238 - we use QCAP for that and we are all done with that, then, 01:22:06.626 --> 01:22:17.744 - the airspace above the tiles, but outside the duck work. And that came up as well. So I think that may 01:22:17.744 --> 01:22:29.185 - be what you're what you're remembering. Um and we also had a discussion. I know that there was an initial 01:22:29.185 --> 01:22:34.366 - discussion and I had to leave, but there was an 01:22:34.466 --> 01:22:44.621 - between David Gardner and Sarah Hamidovich at VET about the systems that we already have in place from 01:22:44.621 --> 01:22:50.142 - COVID using UV light, which actually helps reduce mold. 01:22:50.306 --> 01:22:56.565 - and that those things were still there. And so they were having that discussion as well. And that was 01:22:56.565 --> 01:23:02.884 - after the meeting was over. So I think I know what you're referring to, but here's the thing. So we're 01:23:02.884 --> 01:23:09.020 - going to have a long-term plan that's going to require some investment for all of our buildings for 01:23:09.020 --> 01:23:15.524 - testing on a regular basis and remediation as needed. We don't have that proposal yet, but Sarah Midovich 01:23:15.524 --> 01:23:20.126 - is working on it. And that is something that we would pay for out of cube. 01:23:20.674 --> 01:23:29.838 - Probably. Or out of professional services. So it just depends. But going back to the HVAC, I can't speak 01:23:29.838 --> 01:23:38.653 - to that. I'm looking at Richard because I don't know that there's a problem other than the fact that 01:23:38.653 --> 01:23:46.334 - it's out of balance. Right. That's it. That's the problem. I think what I'm hearing is, 01:23:47.426 --> 01:23:55.839 - Is there concern that there's mold in the HVAC system? Or are we talking about how the HVAC system functions? 01:23:55.839 --> 01:24:03.870 - No, I know there is not that. And I have a little bit of background with property management and knowing 01:24:03.870 --> 01:24:10.142 - the idea of when there is mold in the system and you haven't looked at the ducts, 01:24:10.242 --> 01:24:16.369 - And you can clean and you can spray and you can fumigate all you want. But if you don't take care of 01:24:16.369 --> 01:24:22.678 - the HVAC system where all of that stuff is continuously to blow around and it's in there, you can clean 01:24:22.678 --> 01:24:29.108 - it all you want. But if you don't look at that particular system there, it's going to keep blowing around 01:24:29.108 --> 01:24:35.357 - and around. And that was the conversation that I recall hearing where there were literal audible gasps 01:24:35.357 --> 01:24:37.662 - where it was like, oh my god, I don't 01:24:37.890 --> 01:24:43.818 - I can't believe that we never thought of something like this before. So I guess, you know, we don't, 01:24:43.818 --> 01:24:49.922 - this is just a discussion of conversation of what we can use for geo bonds and whatnot. And I know this 01:24:49.922 --> 01:24:55.908 - is coming back up here in October, but I guess I just wanted, since we were on that mention and since 01:24:55.908 --> 01:25:01.836 - we're talking about funding and all those different things, that's kind of what I was talking about, 01:25:01.836 --> 01:25:07.294 - if that makes sense. All right. So why is there no money in this geo bond to invest in that? 01:25:08.386 --> 01:25:15.983 - justice building HVAC system. Is that the issue? Cleaning the ducks? Well, I guess the truth of the 01:25:15.983 --> 01:25:23.808 - matter is the only thing I'm worried about right now is since we keep talking about CUMECAP and versus 01:25:23.808 --> 01:25:29.886 - GeoGond and whatnot, is that something that we can take care of with CUMECAP or 01:25:30.178 --> 01:25:39.032 - if we don't have it from professional services or other different line items, is that something that 01:25:39.032 --> 01:25:47.799 - we can put in the DO bond is what I'm asking? The short answer is yes. The long answer is why would 01:25:47.799 --> 01:25:56.478 - we invest funds to clean out the duct work if the air that you're breathing has acceptable levels? 01:26:00.738 --> 01:26:09.300 - My question, why would we do that if we're at acceptable levels? I'm wondering if the best way to manage 01:26:09.300 --> 01:26:17.698 - this at this moment, I think we can cover costs with CCD that we're experiencing now and that we think 01:26:17.698 --> 01:26:26.260 - are coming. I think the best way, because we don't have that proposal yet from Sarah Hamidovich, I think 01:26:26.260 --> 01:26:27.646 - what we could do 01:26:28.386 --> 01:26:35.504 - is bring that information to you all once we have it. We have it. She sent it to me on Monday. Oh, well, 01:26:35.504 --> 01:26:42.284 - I haven't had. Yeah, of course. Yes, that's OK. Yeah. But once we have that, that we can bring that 01:26:42.284 --> 01:26:49.199 - here and have a discussion and share the information with you so that you know what we're doing, what 01:26:49.199 --> 01:26:54.622 - the plan is. I mean, there are some minor things that I know we need to repair. 01:26:54.786 --> 01:27:01.409 - I know that things she had said verbally at our meeting, but we can present that information so that 01:27:01.409 --> 01:27:06.590 - you have a sense of what we're doing. But I think replacing the HVAC would not 01:27:06.722 --> 01:27:13.644 - be a viable expense to take on if we're building a new justice bill and I guess the only thing that 01:27:13.644 --> 01:27:20.634 - I'll say to that before we go on because I know council members over here I have a hand up and again 01:27:20.634 --> 01:27:27.902 - I don't want to belabor this conversation but again what I also remember hearing is we got to figure out 01:27:28.002 --> 01:27:34.138 - a contingency plan to get people out of that building. And while they are there in that building, we 01:27:34.138 --> 01:27:40.516 - have to make sure that with the continuation of remediation and testing and whatnot to ensure the health 01:27:40.516 --> 01:27:46.895 - and safety of everybody in that building. So again, that's a conversation that I look forward to having. 01:27:46.895 --> 01:27:53.152 - And again, more can come in October, but that's all I'll have to say about that. So I'll move on. Yes, 01:27:53.152 --> 01:27:56.190 - Councilor Decker. Thank you. Thank you very much. 01:27:57.058 --> 01:28:05.065 - I'm sorry. What was occasionally we all know that counselors get information whether in the meeting 01:28:05.065 --> 01:28:13.794 - just as commissioners do, but someone had referenced to me plenum air versus ducted air and that difference. 01:28:13.794 --> 01:28:21.801 - And I am not even close to qualified to spell half that alone talk about what that truly means. But 01:28:21.801 --> 01:28:27.006 - what I would say is, and this might be a discussion that you all 01:28:27.106 --> 01:28:34.927 - it out. But if if as I look at the bond description, at least in the narrative portion, we talk about 01:28:34.927 --> 01:28:42.977 - courthouse courthouse ground. If the cum cap is makes you waiver in some way, having a background option 01:28:42.977 --> 01:28:50.721 - there. Maybe the maybe what you want to do before we get to adoption. But that that's something that 01:28:50.721 --> 01:28:56.702 - you'll have to have to figure out best based on the information. So actually, 01:28:56.962 --> 01:29:06.971 - Richard and I had spoken a little bit during all of this and the 200,000 that we've kind of identified 01:29:06.971 --> 01:29:17.077 - for the historic courthouse. If we use the community foundation funding in addition to this, that could 01:29:17.077 --> 01:29:23.102 - be reduced to 150. We could then put 50,000 as an earmark for 01:29:24.162 --> 01:29:32.378 - the justice building, if you like. And again, yeah, we could do that. And I'm sure I've got just a few 01:29:32.378 --> 01:29:40.355 - more. I'm sure there's things to figure out on that. And the one thing I'll say is I think everyone 01:29:40.355 --> 01:29:48.412 - is always very fond of and emotionally attached to the courthouse. I mean, my heavens, it's on every 01:29:48.412 --> 01:29:53.278 - image of this community and logo. And I love the courthouse. 01:29:53.378 --> 01:30:00.604 - That said, sometimes the courthouse where we sit gets a lot of attention and other buildings may not, 01:30:00.604 --> 01:30:07.760 - right? Just for just visual, our eyeball attention. And so that helps you all to kind of figure that 01:30:07.760 --> 01:30:14.986 - out. Maybe that is something to think about. One other thing, when I look at this list here, and it's 01:30:14.986 --> 01:30:17.182 - a pretty solid list of things, 01:30:17.314 --> 01:30:24.820 - I do want to make sure, does the word vehicles, again, I'm looking at narrative, maybe I should be looking 01:30:24.820 --> 01:30:32.116 - at something else, but does vehicles, does that give you narrative, does that narrative give you enough 01:30:32.116 --> 01:30:39.412 - wiggle room to do that street sweeper that we kind of looked at and shipped it out? So there are things 01:30:39.412 --> 01:30:42.078 - that we need to amend on our exhibit. 01:30:42.402 --> 01:30:50.883 - and if you all so they need to amend it too right now no okay well you have it in red on here to be 01:30:50.883 --> 01:30:59.533 - amended has to amend the written component and that will include highway and the tsd sheriff um items 01:30:59.533 --> 01:31:08.014 - the street sweeper should have been i think is already in there but i'm not sure he'll need to have 01:31:08.014 --> 01:31:10.558 - a look at that and see um the 01:31:11.426 --> 01:31:17.508 - What was the question? What was the issue? I just want to make sure, when I see the word vehicles, I 01:31:17.508 --> 01:31:23.530 - want to make sure that gives you wiggle enough room that street sweeper wouldn't get lost or street 01:31:23.530 --> 01:31:29.612 - sweepers covered. Because I know that we kind of shifted that out of there. It was with a wink and a 01:31:29.612 --> 01:31:35.815 - hope that something like this is out there somewhere. So we're talking two things, because in my mind, 01:31:35.815 --> 01:31:41.054 - yes, if you could put it under, it can be considered a vehicle. I don't care. However, 01:31:41.154 --> 01:31:50.541 - When it comes to appropriating lines in the bond, it is much easier to have them specifically associated 01:31:50.541 --> 01:31:59.480 - with a project. Because otherwise, I've got highway with vehicles that are trying to purchase. I've 01:31:59.480 --> 01:32:08.956 - got airport with vehicles they're trying to purchase. And it just makes it much cleaner if we can address 01:32:08.956 --> 01:32:11.102 - each need individually. 01:32:11.330 --> 01:32:17.429 - And the auditor's been great at helping us come up with good plans. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I was just 01:32:17.429 --> 01:32:23.650 - going to I would consider the street super a vehicle, but I did not have that in mind when I prepared 01:32:23.650 --> 01:32:30.054 - that list. And so it's something like that comes up. I run that by bond council and I get their guidance 01:32:30.054 --> 01:32:36.214 - on those kind of things. I guess what I what I'm intending to do is take the this discussion because 01:32:36.214 --> 01:32:39.934 - it sounds to me like there is some additions that need to be 01:32:40.034 --> 01:32:46.414 - be added to that list. I'm going to amend that list, again, run it by the bond council to make sure 01:32:46.414 --> 01:32:52.794 - we're not doing anything crazy. And then when we publish the appropriation before your next meeting 01:32:52.794 --> 01:32:59.237 - where it gets voted on, we'll make sure that that language is appropriate. The only other thing I'll 01:32:59.237 --> 01:33:01.470 - say and then I'll be quiet is that 01:33:02.210 --> 01:33:08.210 - So often in our roles, everyone says, you all just need to cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, never look back 01:33:08.210 --> 01:33:14.390 - again. You all just sit up there and make things up. But when you look at this list, I don't know that 01:33:14.390 --> 01:33:20.390 - I've yet to find something where I say, well, right there, that's them being malfeasant and a joke. 01:33:20.390 --> 01:33:26.930 - I mean, I want to talk about some of these things for a second. Emergency management, sirens, and equipment. 01:33:26.930 --> 01:33:31.550 - That one right there alone. Body cameras, which is now expected by everyone. 01:33:31.650 --> 01:33:39.515 - right, left, indifferent, smart, dumb, you name it. Emergency management building, right, which we every 01:33:39.515 --> 01:33:47.081 - year test how much those folks will go through, and then some. Youth Services Bureau, they were just 01:33:47.081 --> 01:33:54.572 - in here. So voter election services, we're doing a massive transition there, and my gosh, don't get 01:33:54.572 --> 01:34:00.190 - that wrong, because everybody's gonna wanna weigh in next year. So I just, 01:34:01.954 --> 01:34:08.777 - The bond Avenue, which is a means to keep government doing the things it's got to do because again no 01:34:08.777 --> 01:34:15.599 - one else is going to do animal control and other things so might as well be us. But the ability to do 01:34:15.599 --> 01:34:22.288 - this is a is a powerhouse to get those things done and a few counselors have heard me say this over 01:34:22.288 --> 01:34:23.358 - the years, but. 01:34:23.682 --> 01:34:30.112 - You expect in our county roads and things to have a street sweeper, right? You expect paving, you expect 01:34:30.112 --> 01:34:36.298 - services and living rural doesn't necessarily mean you just signed up to, I just shut, get out there 01:34:36.298 --> 01:34:42.605 - with a broom and hit the gravel. It means you expect those amenities in a place like this. This is the 01:34:42.605 --> 01:34:49.036 - only way we get it done. So I appreciate very much the list and the continuing work, particularly around 01:34:49.036 --> 01:34:52.894 - what Councilor Crosley asked so well, and we'll figure it out. 01:34:55.170 --> 01:35:01.529 - look over to my right here, Councilor Henry. Thank you. I know we're really into this, but there's some 01:35:01.529 --> 01:35:07.644 - newness. I mean, it's a new structure, right? So actually, my two questions are on the legal piece, 01:35:07.644 --> 01:35:14.064 - Jeff. So I wanted to maybe just get some stuff in the air. So the first question really is understanding 01:35:14.064 --> 01:35:20.362 - the five-year and the cooling off and what we're doing here. So I'm going to just put this in layman's 01:35:20.362 --> 01:35:23.358 - terms and maybe some ignorance of my own, right? 01:35:23.522 --> 01:35:29.499 - With this bond presented for six years, or sorry, five years, six million, are we gonna see another 01:35:29.499 --> 01:35:35.655 - five years, six million next year and the following year and the following year, right? This is it for 01:35:35.655 --> 01:35:41.751 - five years in terms of bond, with the general obligation bond. Is that a way to think about it? Well, 01:35:41.751 --> 01:35:47.788 - I guess, I think you said a few different things. Yeah, I did. And other counties have had this type 01:35:47.788 --> 01:35:53.406 - of program where they do a six billion, six year bond each year of the six year cycle, right? 01:35:53.538 --> 01:36:00.720 - And so that is an option. I think that you and the commissioners probably need to have a conversation 01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:07.831 - about how that's gonna look moving forward, because historically we've had 3 million per year. So if 01:36:07.831 --> 01:36:14.871 - you guys choose to do 6 million this year, does that mean we're going to do the 6 million each year 01:36:14.871 --> 01:36:17.758 - for the next six years or does that mean 01:36:18.082 --> 01:36:23.126 - We're gonna do six million every other year or however that's going to work out. That is kind 01:36:23.126 --> 01:36:26.238 - of a conversation that the council and the commissioners. 01:36:26.914 --> 01:36:32.640 - have to have that discussion. Ultimately, it's the council's decision whether the issue, the bond or 01:36:32.640 --> 01:36:38.422 - not. Okay. So the second piece of that then is in the new structure, is there a current threshold for 01:36:38.422 --> 01:36:43.694 - controlled projects in the county? Like if we had like, and how do we figure that out? Like, 01:36:43.694 --> 01:36:49.647 - is there like, why 6 million? Why not 16 million of stuff today? Like, what is there a cap on this under 01:36:49.647 --> 01:36:53.502 - new legislation or not? There are different levels, right? So and I 01:36:53.954 --> 01:37:01.620 - I don't know the exact number, although I can say six millions below the level where there's a level 01:37:01.620 --> 01:37:09.590 - where you have, you have to go, I think it's over 18 million or 19 million where it got the full, you're 01:37:09.590 --> 01:37:15.966 - gonna go through a referendum and all that. And medium level where it's like, well, 01:37:16.994 --> 01:37:23.373 - it may I think it's subject to a reference not a bond council I just know that once you get that and 01:37:23.373 --> 01:37:29.690 - I think it's about seven million is where that cutoff is. It's it used to be it used to be three or 01:37:29.690 --> 01:37:36.448 - actually used to be two million then it went to five million but it has a kind of growth factor associated 01:37:36.448 --> 01:37:42.891 - with it so that numbers these numbers change every year so they go up a little bit but there's a kind 01:37:42.891 --> 01:37:43.838 - of a threshold 01:37:44.738 --> 01:37:52.131 - that starts, I think, around seven and ends around 19, where there's just a different structure and 01:37:52.131 --> 01:37:59.745 - process. And I don't exactly know what that structure and process is. But I think, in my mind, I think 01:37:59.745 --> 01:38:07.433 - it's kind of like the, if you get so many remonstrations in, then that goes through the DLGF or through 01:38:07.433 --> 01:38:12.830 - some kind of process that has an ultimate decision maker that is not the 01:38:13.698 --> 01:38:15.390 - that is not you, right? 01:38:15.746 --> 01:38:20.593 - Now, I appreciate you taking the shot at it. I know that was a technical question, but it does raise 01:38:20.593 --> 01:38:25.729 - some interesting ideas about how much we can bond for and for what. I mean, when you say 18, we're awfully 01:38:25.729 --> 01:38:30.672 - close to what's been asked for to begin the Justice Center project at that point in terms of, I'm sure 01:38:30.672 --> 01:38:35.471 - what you're coming back for later on that. So I just wanted to raise, you know, what are our, like, 01:38:35.471 --> 01:38:40.319 - I think that's a good question to ask as we're considering this year, next year, and following years 01:38:40.319 --> 01:38:44.254 - as our revenue continues to decline in the county as well, what we're asking for. 01:38:44.898 --> 01:38:51.489 - Yeah, that's it. Go ahead. I'm sorry. And I just want to be clear that the structure that we've looked 01:38:51.489 --> 01:38:58.400 - at with the Justice Center is a revenue bond, which is a different beast than a general obligation property 01:38:58.400 --> 01:39:04.991 - tax bond. And my understanding is we could bond 100% of the county's revenue if we wanted to. And it's 01:39:04.991 --> 01:39:10.046 - the way the law works, as it's been described to me. But we shouldn't do that. 01:39:10.242 --> 01:39:17.343 - No, we're not on 100% of the county revenue. Because if you're utilizing property tax, that's where 01:39:17.343 --> 01:39:24.657 - these rules kick in. And if you're using LIT, then there's a structure where you can only go up to 25% 01:39:24.657 --> 01:39:28.350 - right now of what your revenue is. And then to you, 01:39:29.026 --> 01:39:34.116 - I mean, you can't make your budget if you bond all your revenue. Thanks for going in the weeds with 01:39:34.116 --> 01:39:39.256 - me. I appreciate it. All right. Thank you. Leslie, I just have a procedural question. Do you need to 01:39:39.256 --> 01:39:44.448 - make any changes to the amendment or to the motion that I read today? Or, you know, you need to go to 01:39:44.448 --> 01:39:49.996 - bond counsel for some additionals, but for tonight, it's OK the way they're at it. I think it was introduced 01:39:49.996 --> 01:39:55.340 - at this meeting. I think we've had a very frustrating discussion that included changes. I actually think 01:39:55.340 --> 01:39:58.750 - what you read is different than what was in the exhibit A. I think 01:39:59.074 --> 01:40:05.266 - And I'm trying to go back. But I think it's pretty clear from this meeting what the expectation is. 01:40:05.266 --> 01:40:11.830 - This will be advertised for your next meeting. So the appropriation will be advertised. And so the detail 01:40:11.830 --> 01:40:18.022 - will be in that advertisement. So the public will be aware and know exactly what you guys are going 01:40:18.022 --> 01:40:24.028 - to be looking at at the next meeting. Great. Thanks. OK. Well, that was it. A good conversation. 01:40:24.028 --> 01:40:28.734 - All right. Are there any other questions from council related to this item? 01:40:32.482 --> 01:40:41.309 - Seeing none, we will place this on the October 14th agenda for our next meeting. Thank you. We appreciate 01:40:41.309 --> 01:40:50.053 - it. And I just want to clarify, I just pulled up exhibit A from the ordinance with regards to the motion 01:40:50.053 --> 01:40:56.798 - and they match. I was going to say, I thought I took it straight from exhibit A. 01:40:56.930 --> 01:41:07.446 - So whatever's in exhibit A is- I appreciate that. Okay. We'll make the changes as discussed. Thank you. 01:41:07.446 --> 01:41:17.761 - Okay. I actually, I need to excuse myself for the moment, but before I excuse myself, I wanted to see 01:41:17.761 --> 01:41:21.502 - if we could recess for five minutes. 01:41:21.666 --> 01:41:32.842 - and be back for around 7.06 to finish out the agenda. Is that okay with council? Okay. All right. So 01:41:32.842 --> 01:41:44.240 - we will come back at 7.06. Okay. And welcome back. We're still here. And we are going to dive into the 01:41:44.240 --> 01:41:47.006 - county council business. 01:41:47.266 --> 01:41:54.861 - and we're going to start with item 11B since A was tabled. Council, I move to approve ordinance 2025-26 01:41:54.861 --> 01:42:02.675 - approval of the Recorder's Perpetuation Fund request for office expenses for the 2026 budget year. Second. 01:42:02.675 --> 01:42:10.052 - All right, we got a motion and a second. I'm going to look to a person that's been really quiet this 01:42:10.052 --> 01:42:13.630 - evening, which is Ms. Turner King. Hello. Hello. 01:42:16.930 --> 01:42:27.501 - Hello. So I hear an echo, hold on. So the first resolution is 2025-26, which is the recorder sworn affidavit. 01:42:27.501 --> 01:42:37.496 - This is a yearly thing that happens. The recorder presented a sworn affidavit during her budget session 01:42:37.496 --> 01:42:43.070 - that states that there's enough funding in there to cover 01:42:43.842 --> 01:42:53.645 - office expenses, and so this is the resolution that would accept that sworn statement and authorize 01:42:53.645 --> 01:43:03.938 - that budgetary expense. Okay. Oh, okay. And we're back. That's all she has to say about that. All right. 01:43:03.938 --> 01:43:09.918 - Looking to my left here to see if anybody has any questions. 01:43:10.018 --> 01:43:17.210 - So I presume, well, this was in the packet, but I wonder if there's a way to put it up so people can 01:43:17.210 --> 01:43:24.830 - see it now. We have a way to do that. And it looks like Ms. Turner King is intently getting ready with us. 01:43:45.314 --> 01:43:52.110 - Okay, and so this is up for the public to see if you are via Teams or present here in the Na'i Hill 01:43:52.110 --> 01:43:59.043 - room or to watch later. All right. Councilor Decker, did I see that you had your hand up? Okay. Okay, 01:43:59.043 --> 01:44:05.975 - all right. Thank you. Looking over here to my right to see if anybody has any questions on this item. 01:44:05.975 --> 01:44:12.907 - Yes, Councilor Hawke. I think this is just routine. Before she's allowed to spend money out of there, 01:44:12.907 --> 01:44:14.878 - she has to put a resolution. 01:44:15.458 --> 01:44:22.894 - saying that this is appropriate use of the money and so forth. So it's just something she has to do 01:44:22.894 --> 01:44:30.329 - every year. She's going to use the money out of them. No problem. That's correct. And I try to find 01:44:30.329 --> 01:44:38.285 - a problem if there's one there, but there's none there. Oh, we know. All right. Anybody else have anything 01:44:38.285 --> 01:44:39.326 - on this item? 01:44:42.018 --> 01:44:48.694 - Seeing none. If there's any public comment on this item, you can come forward to the lectern here in 01:44:48.694 --> 01:44:55.568 - the night, you know, room, or you can raise your hand via teams. And seeing none. This is a resolution. 01:44:55.568 --> 01:45:02.178 - Can we do a voice vote on this? Nope. It has to be a roll call. Ah, darn. Okay, I tried. All right. 01:45:02.178 --> 01:45:09.251 - May we please have a roll call vote. Councillor Crossley? Yes. Councillor Iverson? Yes. Councillor Decker? 01:45:09.251 --> 01:45:11.102 - Yes. Councillor Feidl? Yes. 01:45:11.330 --> 01:45:19.399 - Councilor Henry? Yes. Councilor Hawk? Yes. Motion passes six zero. All right, next item. Council I move 01:45:19.399 --> 01:45:27.314 - to open for discussion resolution 2025-41 a resolution relating to the use of overtime. All right, we 01:45:27.314 --> 01:45:35.073 - got a motion and a second and to kind of queue up the conversation here because before we go to Ms. 01:45:35.073 --> 01:45:36.702 - Turner King, this is 01:45:36.962 --> 01:45:43.289 - Something that came out of budget discussion and conversation as we saw many account lines through various 01:45:43.289 --> 01:45:49.438 - departments have overtime. And as the public continues to hear us say that we are trying to work really 01:45:49.438 --> 01:45:55.588 - hard and getting our deficit down. And this was something that the council as a whole talked about last 01:45:55.588 --> 01:45:57.598 - week during our marathon meeting. 01:45:57.858 --> 01:46:06.385 - of other items that we could look at. And this is one of the discussions that came from that. So Ms. 01:46:06.385 --> 01:46:14.911 - Turner-King, you can take it away. And I went ahead and displayed this resolution. This is the draft 01:46:14.911 --> 01:46:17.022 - that I shared last week. 01:46:17.538 --> 01:46:24.358 - So I'm skipping the whereas clauses and going to the now therefore clauses. Upon passage of this resolution, 01:46:24.358 --> 01:46:31.178 - it would remove departmental budget lines in all departments except for departments with 24 hour operations. 01:46:31.178 --> 01:46:37.623 - So that would include the sheriff, the jail, YSB, and then, and or that are responsible for responding 01:46:37.623 --> 01:46:44.067 - to weather conditions and or natural disasters that covers highway. And then those are actually listed 01:46:44.067 --> 01:46:45.694 - out in the next sentence. 01:46:47.170 --> 01:46:54.607 - The second paragraph of the resolution indicates for the exempted departments, the council encourages 01:46:54.607 --> 01:47:02.191 - over time to be used judicially and then it implements the following procedure. So if a department were 01:47:02.191 --> 01:47:09.555 - to need additional appropriations or funding beyond what is already in their budget and was going to 01:47:09.555 --> 01:47:14.878 - do an in-house transfer, it would require them to come to council before 01:47:15.042 --> 01:47:21.776 - um that in-house transfer can happen which is not the current procedure um so it kind of makes uh it's 01:47:21.776 --> 01:47:28.575 - it creates more transparency on what over how much overtime is being used and then there's um when they 01:47:28.575 --> 01:47:35.113 - come to council a requirement that they provide a report and the report list out the number of hour 01:47:35.113 --> 01:47:42.174 - time hours used by the department as of the date of the request the um dollar amount related to those hours 01:47:42.498 --> 01:47:48.864 - The reasons for the overtime the amount of anticipated need that they're asking for why that 01:47:48.864 --> 01:47:55.778 - is an anticipated need and then it also Asked for the number of comp and comp time hours occurred by 01:47:55.778 --> 01:48:02.692 - the department's employees to kind of give you a comparison of comp timers overtime and i'm happy to 01:48:02.692 --> 01:48:09.606 - make any amendments to this as Council sees fit Thank you for that and I see a hand raised over here 01:48:09.606 --> 01:48:11.454 - to my left counselor vital 01:48:11.842 --> 01:48:17.654 - Thank you. I don't know that I have any amendments, but I have a question. I'm just curious, maybe if 01:48:17.654 --> 01:48:23.467 - there might have been another resolution before about overtime and if it was similar to this one, are 01:48:23.467 --> 01:48:28.766 - we missing anything from one before that we might want to consider? That was just a thought. 01:48:30.434 --> 01:48:38.331 - I didn't find any prior overtime resolution. I did find like a prior hiring freeze resolution. I did 01:48:38.331 --> 01:48:46.463 - look to see if I could find other local government agencies that did overtime resolutions. There wasn't 01:48:46.463 --> 01:48:54.751 - any that I could find. And so this is just kind of a new document that I thought documented the council's 01:48:54.751 --> 01:48:56.158 - expressed intent. 01:49:00.386 --> 01:49:07.067 - Yes, Councillor Henry. Thank you, Ms. Turner-King. I want to propose an amendment here, but I just wanted 01:49:07.067 --> 01:49:13.370 - to maybe get some procedural steps in line here with the auditor's office as well. So under the now 01:49:13.370 --> 01:49:19.988 - therefore item one, I'd like to add to the exempt department's airport operations. Now, my understanding 01:49:19.988 --> 01:49:26.291 - is airport operations doesn't have an overtime line right now in the budget, so we'd have to add it 01:49:26.291 --> 01:49:27.678 - later this evening at 01:49:28.034 --> 01:49:34.350 - a line item, I think. So there's a two-step here. Does it matter for the resolution if we add airport 01:49:34.350 --> 01:49:40.729 - operations now and then add the budget line item later, or do we need the line item first before I add 01:49:40.729 --> 01:49:46.921 - it, in your view? I just want to make sure we're doing this right. I think if council wants to make 01:49:46.921 --> 01:49:53.237 - that amendment and then pass this resolution with the intent that that amendment be incorporated, you 01:49:53.237 --> 01:49:57.758 - can pass the resolution contingent on the creation of the overtime line. 01:49:58.882 --> 01:50:04.590 - So if you do this first, you can create the line. I mean, would it be sufficient to add just add air 01:50:04.590 --> 01:50:10.354 - for air? Sorry, keep saying Air Force. I guess we have an Air Force in the county now, right? Airport 01:50:10.354 --> 01:50:16.344 - operation to the line. But do I need to add that other verbiage contingent upon or can I just say airport 01:50:16.344 --> 01:50:22.052 - operations? I think that when we do the roll call on the motion and the resolution, we would add the 01:50:22.052 --> 01:50:26.686 - contingency. Thank you. Madam President, I have a motion to amend the resolution. 01:50:26.978 --> 01:50:36.126 - Okay, go ahead. And item one in the now therefore clauses to add the exempt departments would include 01:50:36.126 --> 01:50:45.274 - the Air Force, I'm sorry, did it again, airport operations before sheriff's office. All right, we got 01:50:45.274 --> 01:50:54.960 - a motion in a second on the airport, not Air Force, to be added in there. I think they just had a birthday, 01:50:54.960 --> 01:50:56.574 - that's why you're 01:50:56.674 --> 01:51:03.376 - Yep, thinking about it. All right. Any other questions on that? Yes, Councillor Paito. So I was just 01:51:03.376 --> 01:51:10.210 - curious why it was before the sheriff's office. Is there a reason for that? Alphabetical, but it's not 01:51:10.210 --> 01:51:16.912 - alphabetical. I don't think the rest of them are alphabetical. They're not. It just caught me. Okay. 01:51:16.912 --> 01:51:21.822 - All right. Yes, Councillor Hawke. Right. At what point would, this is for 01:51:21.986 --> 01:51:30.523 - Miss King, at what point is appropriate for us to add that line in the budget so that if it's necessary 01:51:30.523 --> 01:51:38.978 - to use this, because it's not tonight. Kim. I was gonna say later tonight, we can make a motion to add 01:51:38.978 --> 01:51:47.351 - it to the budget. Let's forget it. Okay. Are there any other further discussions on Councilor Henry's 01:51:47.351 --> 01:51:48.254 - amendment? 01:51:51.266 --> 01:51:58.313 - Seeing none, all those in favor of the amendment to add airport operations to this line signify by saying 01:51:58.313 --> 01:52:05.160 - aye. Aye. All those opposed, same sign. All right, amendment carries. Now, coming back to the overall. 01:52:05.160 --> 01:52:11.808 - Yes. Yeah, Councilor Everson. So my question is for staff. I know that a fiscal impact has not been 01:52:11.808 --> 01:52:12.606 - calculated. 01:52:12.834 --> 01:52:20.606 - and particularly makes it hard because we just added a whole other department. But do we have any idea 01:52:20.606 --> 01:52:28.227 - of the fiscal impacts that this resolution, if passed, would have? And again, I mean, I'm asking you 01:52:28.227 --> 01:52:35.847 - to ballpark it. I have not done one since I wasn't sure where you guys were going with what you were 01:52:35.847 --> 01:52:42.110 - intending to do. But I could have one prepared for the next meeting in October 14. 01:52:44.450 --> 01:52:59.573 - Thank you. Is there any other further discussion on this motion here or on the resolution? All righty. 01:52:59.573 --> 01:53:13.374 - Seeing none. Yeah. Just a point of procedure, I guess. I read my motion as a discussion only. 01:53:13.826 --> 01:53:22.259 - And so I don't think, I think given the fact that we just had that conversation about fiscal impact, 01:53:22.259 --> 01:53:30.693 - then we'll read another motion at our next meeting. Sorry, we can just move forward with the changes 01:53:30.693 --> 01:53:39.377 - as is. And then we can add it to the October 14th so that it will be on the corrected and in the packet 01:53:39.377 --> 01:53:43.134 - for the public along with the fiscal impact. 01:53:43.810 --> 01:53:52.687 - Or you can make a motion and approve it tonight. I personally want to see the fiscal impact before adopting. 01:53:52.687 --> 01:54:00.831 - So I'm going to be quiet. Okay. Council would say yes. I think whatever we can do to make sure that 01:54:00.831 --> 01:54:07.998 - we're reducing our expenditures is important to do and the sooner we do it, the better. 01:54:08.194 --> 01:54:16.132 - And so I would like to see a vote on this tonight, and then we can make an adjustment amendment to it 01:54:16.132 --> 01:54:23.992 - the next meeting. Okay, yes, Councilor Decker. I appreciate what Councilor Iverson said about fiscal 01:54:23.992 --> 01:54:32.163 - impact. I generally on everything we're talking about in the budget, I'm very curious about this impact. 01:54:32.163 --> 01:54:38.078 - And we're figuring out things, trying things, trying to get this all right. 01:54:38.242 --> 01:54:45.197 - I am more in favor of holding this as Councilor Iverson I think said to the next meeting in case there 01:54:45.197 --> 01:54:52.153 - are any other unintended consequences or to really see what we're talking about. Sometimes we can have 01:54:52.153 --> 01:54:58.905 - really amped up conversations in here about $2.35. And sometimes we can have amped up conversations 01:54:58.905 --> 01:55:05.118 - about very important things. And I'd like to have a better handle on what this truly means. 01:55:08.546 --> 01:55:17.856 - sorry I miss I misspoke we can make changes at the after or during the public hearing so that will be 01:55:17.856 --> 01:55:26.983 - our next time to be able to make adjustments so that is September 30th so next Tuesday we can I can 01:55:26.983 --> 01:55:36.293 - bring this information back to you on September 30th. So we have a couple of council members who want 01:55:36.293 --> 01:55:37.662 - to think about 01:55:37.922 --> 01:55:46.546 - impact and then we just heard miss uh shell say that this resolution could come back to us on at our 01:55:46.546 --> 01:55:55.170 - next meeting which is september 30th for the public hearing is there any other questions or comments 01:55:55.170 --> 01:56:03.879 - from council related to this discussion well i'd like to call a question on doing it this evening and 01:56:03.879 --> 01:56:07.038 - see where we go see if anybody would 01:56:07.170 --> 01:56:15.480 - wants to do that. And if not, then the majority wishes to wait. Well, I guess I call the question on 01:56:15.480 --> 01:56:23.707 - whether or not we would move forward with it tonight. And then any corrections to it can be made at 01:56:23.707 --> 01:56:32.017 - our next meeting. Correct. The motion. At the motion, do I have a second? I'll second it. It doesn't 01:56:32.017 --> 01:56:35.390 - look like we have a second, so you vote. 01:56:35.522 --> 01:56:48.487 - Okay so we got a motion and a second are there any other further discussion on this item I guess I understand 01:56:48.487 --> 01:57:00.862 - us wanting to know the fiscal impact of this and I think that is something that we could potentially get 01:57:01.858 --> 01:57:10.258 - or we can get next week. So if we decided to pass this resolution tonight, we could still look to you 01:57:10.258 --> 01:57:18.576 - to give us that impact. And if there is something that might impact what we hear, then we can always 01:57:18.576 --> 01:57:27.305 - change that or make, you know, and we can bring this back up during next week's meeting. That is correct. 01:57:27.305 --> 01:57:30.846 - Okay. Okay. Ooh, council hawk, look at us. 01:57:31.842 --> 01:57:40.921 - I think I would be in favor of your motion. Can I ask a clarifying question on the motion? Yes. Is the 01:57:40.921 --> 01:57:49.736 - motion to pass this night contingent on the creation of that overtime line that we talked about for 01:57:49.736 --> 01:57:58.462 - the airport? Yes. I would be in agreement of that as well. Oh, bipartisan heart is so happy. Okay. 01:57:58.562 --> 01:58:06.913 - Yes. So I was just wondering if somebody could be a little more elaborate on the pros and cons of doing 01:58:06.913 --> 01:58:15.022 - it one way or the other. In terms of voting the motion Councilor Hawk made or not doing it, right? I 01:58:15.022 --> 01:58:23.212 - think the pro is if we hear something that happens, and I don't want to speak, I guess she could also 01:58:23.212 --> 01:58:28.030 - speak to this, but I think for me, this would be if we say, 01:58:28.642 --> 01:58:34.997 - It all goes in our favor and we put this resolution into place. Um, and Michelle comes back and she 01:58:34.997 --> 01:58:41.480 - brings us, you know, information related to fiscal impact. If everybody is all good with what she has 01:58:41.480 --> 01:58:48.026 - brought to us, then there is no further discussion. That's one less item on a long night that we would 01:58:48.026 --> 01:58:54.699 - have to hear. At least that's what I look at in terms of that. Yes, I get it. Okay. Yes. And the reasons 01:58:54.699 --> 01:58:56.478 - you should vote no on this. 01:58:56.738 --> 01:59:03.747 - is because number one, we don't know the fiscal impact. So if the fiscal impact is low, should we even 01:59:03.747 --> 01:59:10.756 - be doing this? Does it have an impact? Number two, our staff who we work really hard to make sure have 01:59:10.756 --> 01:59:17.833 - jobs just saw this resolution tonight. So department heads and people who are gonna be impacted by this 01:59:17.833 --> 01:59:25.182 - have only heard this conversation tonight. I think we owe it to them to give them one week to mull it over. 01:59:26.434 --> 01:59:33.737 - Oh, I'm sorry. Would there be no way then to change it if we approve to accept it now? Charge, we can 01:59:33.737 --> 01:59:41.040 - get rid of totally next meeting if we'd like to. Yeah. So even if we didn't vote no, it seems like we 01:59:41.040 --> 01:59:48.629 - can change it, right? Yes, that's what Michelle was saying as well too. Gotcha. And I saw Ms. Turner-King 01:59:48.629 --> 01:59:49.918 - have her hand up. 01:59:50.466 --> 01:59:57.044 - I think one detail on that is not in this resolution and I'm now going to reshare that might factor 01:59:57.044 --> 02:00:04.016 - into whether you adopt it now or not is when do you and when do you want this to become effective because 02:00:04.016 --> 02:00:06.910 - so for example, for the hiring freeze that. 02:00:07.330 --> 02:00:15.650 - the discussion that is coming up next and the draft resolution has that resolution going into effect 02:00:15.650 --> 02:00:24.052 - immediately. This does not have a timeline built into it. So is the idea that this is implemented for 02:00:24.052 --> 02:00:32.702 - 2026 budgets, is it implemented now? I think if we really want to try to stop the flow of money leaving, 02:00:32.802 --> 02:00:40.130 - We need to make it effective now. If between now and the next meeting, we have department heads that 02:00:40.130 --> 02:00:47.603 - say, this really isn't working because it was an emergency, we did X, Y, and Z, we can change it then. 02:00:47.603 --> 02:00:54.859 - But the longer we delay trying to get our work done, the more is going to be on our plate and we'll 02:00:54.859 --> 02:01:02.622 - have another six hour meeting. Well, five hour, whatever it was. So I'm just trying to get things to move. 02:01:03.810 --> 02:01:12.024 - that doesn't hurt anyone. Yes, Mr. Arne King. If it is council's intent that this become effective 02:01:12.024 --> 02:01:20.321 - immediately, I would suggest that a motion should be made to amend this to add some language. And I 02:01:20.321 --> 02:01:28.950 - would also like to, since we are currently in a payroll, we may already have people that have done over 02:01:28.950 --> 02:01:33.182 - time. So I would recommend that the effective date 02:01:33.538 --> 02:01:42.869 - be October 5th. That's the beginning of it. Excuse me. That's the beginning of the new payroll. Okay. 02:01:42.869 --> 02:01:52.474 - And so again, this is we are on the discussion of Councillor Hawks amendment. So I saw Councillor Decker 02:01:52.474 --> 02:02:00.798 - have his hand up. Yes. So I mean, that that kind of further illustrates a point and again, 02:02:01.314 --> 02:02:09.339 - I don't know that we know specifically who right now was thinking why while they're running a department. 02:02:09.339 --> 02:02:16.910 - But if somebody said on September 24th and 25th, I will need you to do a little bit of overtime for 02:02:16.910 --> 02:02:24.707 - the annual ringing of the sheaves or whatever it is that the department knows that we don't know, then 02:02:24.707 --> 02:02:31.294 - that could suddenly be not the plan in those next two days. Am I wrong on this? Right? 02:02:31.490 --> 02:02:39.816 - I do get the sense to like hurry, hurry, hurry, do all these things, hurry. But again, we're talking 02:02:39.816 --> 02:02:47.400 - about a thing that goes from one week to the next meeting to the cycle. So I just, I get a, 02:02:47.400 --> 02:02:56.138 - I don't know, we can do what we want here, but again, sometimes there's midstream unintended consequences 02:02:56.138 --> 02:02:57.374 - that come out. 02:02:57.794 --> 02:03:05.681 - for something and hopefully we've exempted everything. I don't know, we found another one tonight that 02:03:05.681 --> 02:03:13.338 - we had to add in here that was necessary. Yes, Councilor Iverson. So I want to make a motion to add 02:03:13.338 --> 02:03:21.302 - the effective date. However, Council Member Hawke, would it be all right with you if I made this motion 02:03:21.302 --> 02:03:25.054 - before we voted on your motion? Please do, yeah. 02:03:26.530 --> 02:03:39.092 - that the effective date would be October 5th. October 8th. The fifth. The fifth. I said October 8th. 02:03:39.092 --> 02:03:47.550 - It should be October 5th. October 5th. Second. This is crazy. Okay. 02:03:47.906 --> 02:03:59.341 - So we made the motion to amend. So if we are wanting to do this effective immediately, because we are 02:03:59.341 --> 02:04:10.552 - in the middle of payroll, that it would have an effective date of October 5th, 2025. OK. All right. 02:04:10.552 --> 02:04:16.606 - Any other further discussion? All right. Seeing none. 02:04:16.866 --> 02:04:25.214 - If there's any public comment that folks would like to make, you are here in the NattU Hill Room. If 02:04:25.214 --> 02:04:33.810 - you'd like to make a public comment, you could come forward to the lectern here in the NattU Hill Room, 02:04:33.810 --> 02:04:42.324 - or you can raise your hand via Teams. Seeing none, may we please have a roll call vote? This is on the 02:04:42.324 --> 02:04:46.622 - amendment to add the effective date. Okay, correct. 02:04:46.722 --> 02:04:55.254 - So yeah, so this will be the second amendment. Yes. So technically, because this is an amendment to 02:04:55.254 --> 02:05:03.872 - add, we can do a voice vote. OK, that's right. All right. All those in favor of the amendment to add 02:05:03.872 --> 02:05:12.830 - October 5th to this signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed, same sign. All right, motion carries. 02:05:12.830 --> 02:05:14.622 - Now for the overall. 02:05:15.458 --> 02:05:27.115 - resolution here can we have a roll call vote? Councillor Iverson? No. Councillor Deckard? No. Councillor 02:05:27.115 --> 02:05:38.440 - Feidl? Yes. Councillor Henry? Yes. Councillor Hock? Yes. Councillor Crossley? Yes. Motion passes 4-2. 02:05:38.440 --> 02:05:44.990 - Okay and the only thing for us having that vote tonight is 02:05:45.890 --> 02:05:54.459 - If we hear anything else between now and next week, we can always bring this conversation back up. Michelle 02:05:54.459 --> 02:06:02.790 - still can continue to look at the fiscal impact for that. And depending on what that could be, you know, 02:06:02.790 --> 02:06:10.803 - conversations, other conversations could be had next week. So next item. Council, I move to open for 02:06:10.803 --> 02:06:15.326 - discussion resolution twenty twenty five dash forty one. 02:06:15.618 --> 02:06:23.825 - A resolution to temporarily freeze the hiring of full and part-time staff. All right, we got a motion 02:06:23.825 --> 02:06:32.194 - and a second, and I'm going to go back to Ms. Turner-King for this one. And this is resolution 2025-42. 02:06:32.194 --> 02:06:39.838 - Yes, I meant to, yeah, that was the Scribner's error, excuse me. This is 2025-42. I apologize. 02:06:47.234 --> 02:06:59.970 - So I'm getting ready to share my screen. This is the hiring freeze resolution that council was considering 02:06:59.970 --> 02:07:12.110 - but did not pass at the last meeting. And so what I have done is, in essence, looked at the last time 02:07:12.110 --> 02:07:16.990 - a motion to this effect went into place. 02:07:17.602 --> 02:07:29.278 - And it will go from there with amendments. So I think there I know there are a lot of departments have 02:07:29.278 --> 02:07:39.934 - provided feedback based on the last council meeting and some of the feedback was situational. 02:07:40.066 --> 02:07:46.891 - How does this hiring freeze apply to grant positions? How does this hiring freeze apply to departments 02:07:46.891 --> 02:07:53.781 - that are already in the process of hiring process? So they've interviewed applicants. Some have already 02:07:53.781 --> 02:08:00.606 - had applicants make commitments, but they won't start until later in October. So I think there's a lot 02:08:00.606 --> 02:08:06.238 - of questions as to how council sees this hiring freeze applying to those situations. 02:08:24.770 --> 02:08:34.891 - question. And so the last time that we had a higher end freeze was back during COVID. Is that correct? 02:08:34.891 --> 02:08:45.012 - Yes. And I guess my question to how did we do it before? Because this was before my time. So the prior 02:08:45.012 --> 02:08:53.758 - resolution doesn't have any language in it that is applicable to grant positions. And so 02:08:55.074 --> 02:09:02.090 - I wasn't here either, but I'm assuming since there isn't anything in the resolution that exempts those 02:09:02.090 --> 02:09:09.514 - positions, the resolution was applicable to those positions. And that is something that we should definitely 02:09:09.514 --> 02:09:16.393 - consider. All right, I think I heard somebody say question over here. Councilor Haug, did you have a 02:09:16.393 --> 02:09:21.502 - question? Yes, when it comes to grants, sometimes a grant is split between 02:09:21.634 --> 02:09:28.026 - you know some money in the grant some money in general whatever and so I can I can see why we would 02:09:28.026 --> 02:09:34.545 - want to make sure it was it just covered all of it because otherwise you'd have somebody hired to pay 02:09:34.545 --> 02:09:41.064 - a part of the salary and then we're going to end up with the same mess we got now where all the grant 02:09:41.064 --> 02:09:47.456 - money goes away and then we get stuck with everything in county general and that's not something we 02:09:47.456 --> 02:09:48.926 - can continue to afford 02:09:51.938 --> 02:10:04.829 - I want to address the third clause of this draft resolution which handles public safety It is clear 02:10:04.829 --> 02:10:18.622 - that There it is in the fourth line that council will identify what positions fit within this category and 02:10:20.322 --> 02:10:28.239 - And I think we need to think pretty, well, first of all, my question is, have we gotten feedback from, 02:10:28.239 --> 02:10:36.232 - well, okay, hold on, let me back up. I think we need to think pretty broadly about this. And the reason 02:10:36.232 --> 02:10:44.303 - is, I think when we think public safety, we think immediately of sheriff and jail. I think that's pretty 02:10:44.303 --> 02:10:47.454 - rational. But we're about to hit winter. 02:10:47.714 --> 02:10:55.059 - And this sun sets on December 31st and we get a big snowstorm who's going to be clearing the streets 02:10:55.059 --> 02:11:02.550 - and the roads. To me, that's a public safety issue. When someone goes for a hearing, we got our public 02:11:02.550 --> 02:11:09.240 - defender in the back of the room here. Are we is that an issue of public safety that people 02:11:09.240 --> 02:11:17.022 - have representation in the courts? And so I think we need to think pretty long and hard about what exactly 02:11:17.954 --> 02:11:25.266 - clause number three means. And I think that there's additional nuance within the departments, right? 02:11:25.266 --> 02:11:32.651 - Not everyone in the department has that public safety feature, but not every position, excuse me. And 02:11:32.651 --> 02:11:40.108 - so I think that needs to be teased out. And so my question to you, Ms. Molly Turner King, is when we'd 02:11:40.108 --> 02:11:46.334 - done this before, did we elucidate those positions? Did we enumerate those positions? 02:11:46.978 --> 02:11:54.236 - I used the exact language from the prior resolution, so they weren't identified or enumerated in the 02:11:54.236 --> 02:12:01.925 - resolution itself. And I did not go back to the 2020 recordings to see if when the resolution was adopted, 02:12:01.925 --> 02:12:09.112 - the conversation itself identified them. I mean, I think that's before we even start to really even 02:12:09.112 --> 02:12:14.142 - seriously consider this resolution, I think we have to get that list. 02:12:14.658 --> 02:12:24.481 - down pat when you talk to every single one of those department heads. Okay. Yes, counselor hop. I did 02:12:24.481 --> 02:12:34.112 - send you an email about this, Molly. I mean, Miss King, because I wanted to make sure that this was 02:12:34.112 --> 02:12:43.646 - it sort of reflected part of what the overtime situation was as well to making sure that a 24 hour 02:12:43.842 --> 02:12:51.070 - that required staff such as in the jail, such as in the youth shelter that, you know, that they would 02:12:51.070 --> 02:12:58.297 - always have, they have to have a certain amount of staff to have the door open. Can't very well close 02:12:58.297 --> 02:13:06.021 - that jail and you can't very well close our youth shelter. So those things need to make sure we're protected 02:13:06.021 --> 02:13:12.894 - that. And the only reason this would even come up is because we have a serious budget situation. 02:13:13.026 --> 02:13:20.638 - that we have to address. Now you could pick it together for a long time and we could decide three or 02:13:20.638 --> 02:13:28.400 - four months from now we should die three or four months ago, or we can do it sooner rather than later. 02:13:28.400 --> 02:13:35.937 - So that we can do what we need to do. But I'm not going to argue the point I just know what I think 02:13:35.937 --> 02:13:39.102 - we should do. Okay. Yes, counselor vital. 02:13:39.618 --> 02:13:47.271 - So I have a couple of questions about the whereas language in the second one where it says whereas due 02:13:47.271 --> 02:13:54.849 - to state and federal, it seems like there's something missing there. I add it, legislation. That one, 02:13:54.849 --> 02:14:02.353 - what about in the fourth whereas where in the third line it says positions are naturally vacated and 02:14:02.353 --> 02:14:08.446 - then would be to adopt. Is there something missing in front of would be to adopt? 02:14:18.338 --> 02:14:26.242 - You see what I'm talking about? Okay. It seems like there's a word or two missing there. If you read 02:14:26.242 --> 02:14:34.381 - it, it says can be obtained through attrition as positions are naturally vacated. Then it goes on would 02:14:34.381 --> 02:14:40.094 - be to adopt. What do you mean would be to adopt? What would be to adopt? 02:14:41.634 --> 02:14:46.989 - I think it's just a poorly worded sentence, and I can rewrite that one, but that is exactly how it was 02:14:46.989 --> 02:14:52.396 - read in the first one. Well, I'm sorry I wasn't listening. No, it's okay. No, but you care. So, I think 02:14:52.396 --> 02:14:57.699 - it just needs to be reworded. Okay. So, what is the intent there that that, I mean, you don't have to 02:14:57.699 --> 02:15:01.182 - give me the exact verbage, what is the intent that that would say? 02:15:03.458 --> 02:15:09.629 - It should say the council recognizes that one method that can be implemented to maintain personal cost 02:15:09.629 --> 02:15:15.680 - at current levels or reduced levels would be to adopt a temporary hiring freeze. The problem is that 02:15:15.680 --> 02:15:22.091 - to the extent reductions can be attained through attrition as positions are naturally vacated is modifying 02:15:22.091 --> 02:15:28.382 - the reduced levels. And so I just need to make that more clear. Okay. So you'll work on that. Thank you. 02:15:33.314 --> 02:15:42.581 - Councilor Decker. So I want to make sure I understand it correctly. Let's say that this is passed. 02:15:42.581 --> 02:15:52.129 - In effect, a department says, I have a position that I believe is either a public safety or necessary 02:15:52.129 --> 02:16:02.238 - position under this. That department would then come to us just like anything else that we would have here. 02:16:02.658 --> 02:16:11.379 - and then we all would have a giant public discussion about that to move forward or not move forward. 02:16:11.379 --> 02:16:20.100 - Is that right? C. Julie, yes. And it would have to hit one of those two, public safety or necessary. 02:16:20.100 --> 02:16:29.598 - And we'd all talk about that very publicly in that sort of way. Well, if I can speak on it just for a second. 02:16:30.146 --> 02:16:37.506 - I'm not a fan of these times by any stretch. I'm not a fan of these times at all. As I said a second 02:16:37.506 --> 02:16:45.157 - ago, sometimes these things have unintended consequences. And in 2020, we had some strange circumstances 02:16:45.157 --> 02:16:52.517 - occur that were never the goal. But again, you've got to do what you got to do. The one thing that I 02:16:52.517 --> 02:16:59.294 - like about this all is that, which I'm sure department head may not necessarily always like, 02:16:59.746 --> 02:17:06.047 - but that we will be in a discussion together talking about the position. And that's probably pretty 02:17:06.047 --> 02:17:12.473 - annoying for the hiring, but I sometimes think that as council understands these things, we get these 02:17:12.473 --> 02:17:18.774 - things and these things go from abstract into this is necessary. And so that's a portion that gives 02:17:18.774 --> 02:17:24.634 - me relief. I will say this for councilors, we've got to be able to move like, you know what, 02:17:24.634 --> 02:17:26.398 - through a goose, we cannot, 02:17:27.234 --> 02:17:33.649 - Not because, I mean, you're talking about public safety and necessary positions. And a body that has 02:17:33.649 --> 02:17:40.255 - to have 48 hours notice for things isn't really built for a hot rod speed. So that will be a thing that 02:17:40.255 --> 02:17:46.670 - we do with those department heads. But if it's something that gets us to the other side, we just got 02:17:46.670 --> 02:17:53.212 - to know that it's going to be that. And the last time we did it, there was a lot of detail walking and 02:17:53.212 --> 02:17:57.150 - a lot of kind of figuring that out. And we have to be nimble. 02:17:57.250 --> 02:18:03.615 - because we don't have a counter and they do. And that's, we cannot ever forget that. This all right 02:18:03.615 --> 02:18:10.107 - here is not a counter. This is a meeting, a voting body of elected officials who are here some of the 02:18:10.107 --> 02:18:16.535 - time and not always. This can put us here a lot and that may be part of it or it may not, who knows? 02:18:16.535 --> 02:18:20.990 - Maybe it all gets better real quick, but I just throw that out there. 02:18:22.658 --> 02:18:30.427 - Yes, Councilor Henry. Thank you, Madam President. I appreciate the comments of my peers here. And we, 02:18:30.427 --> 02:18:38.654 - of course, were wrestling with hard times. I think what's important to relay, I think we have over the past 02:18:39.650 --> 02:18:45.624 - month here as we've been wrestling with a budget with finite resources, at least from my seat, it's 02:18:45.624 --> 02:18:51.778 - to preserve and take care of the staff we have. And so to the extent we have our people, we are trying 02:18:51.778 --> 02:18:57.932 - to protect our folks and find a way to give them even COLA and tough financial times that this is part 02:18:57.932 --> 02:19:04.264 - of it. I mean, as much as we would like to have additional resource helping our departments, the resource 02:19:04.264 --> 02:19:05.758 - is finite. We are losing 02:19:05.922 --> 02:19:12.533 - Revenue with each cycle. This is the easy year the next two years get increasingly difficult. And so 02:19:12.533 --> 02:19:18.686 - it is weighing on all of us to look at this. My question is just a clarifying one in terms of 02:19:18.882 --> 02:19:24.135 - the hiring process, right? Because there have been, I think Ms. Turner-King, you mentioned some department 02:19:24.135 --> 02:19:29.093 - heads had raised the concern about where they are in their pipeline. So, I mean, as I'm counting it, 02:19:29.093 --> 02:19:34.150 - I think we have nine vacant positions on the county website right now. Some, I presume, are very close 02:19:34.150 --> 02:19:39.157 - to offer. Some may be in interviews. Did some of this come up in that meeting in terms of the current 02:19:39.157 --> 02:19:44.164 - pipeline of where, who was in the department head meeting? Were you there? You were not. So, I'm kind 02:19:44.164 --> 02:19:48.190 - of curious if anyone was in the meeting with department heads that could speak to 02:19:48.450 --> 02:19:55.815 - the questions that were coming out about the pipeline process. There's some offers out there on the 02:19:55.815 --> 02:20:03.180 - street, I take it. I've only know of one. Okay. And that was in the surveyor's office of someone he 02:20:03.180 --> 02:20:11.061 - is currently interviewing someone for a position. I was not there for that department head meeting because 02:20:11.061 --> 02:20:15.038 - that was the next morning after our marathon meeting. 02:20:15.138 --> 02:20:21.177 - And so I didn't make it because that meeting was at nine o'clock. But I do know that it was discussed 02:20:21.177 --> 02:20:27.274 - and that we've had several phone calls with regards to a hiring freeze. But he's the only one that has 02:20:27.274 --> 02:20:33.313 - said I'm in the process of hiring. And I'll just finish my thought here to say again, you know, we do 02:20:33.313 --> 02:20:38.878 - get into a space. If we're the ones up here at the counter, if you will, adjudicating what is 02:20:39.042 --> 02:20:45.023 - is a word that's in the document what's necessary. First not of course we do that through pack anyway 02:20:45.023 --> 02:20:50.888 - it when we have a more deliberate process but looking at the list right now we have. A truck driver 02:20:50.888 --> 02:20:57.045 - which we've talked about snow removal at some point right we have an airport operations specialist which 02:20:57.045 --> 02:21:03.027 - is FAA put out fires shovel snow at the airport. We have the fourth disposition for health that we've 02:21:03.027 --> 02:21:09.008 - been fighting for back and forth all year- you mentioned the surveyor. We have some fleet maintenance 02:21:09.008 --> 02:21:14.508 - prosecuting attorney's office and a public defender and of course now we're into the criminal justice 02:21:14.508 --> 02:21:20.116 - conversation and three Youth Service Bureau personnel and so just that survey of what's currently being 02:21:20.116 --> 02:21:22.974 - marketed runs into some challenges in the resolution 02:21:23.170 --> 02:21:28.913 - I guess what I would offer is if it's marketed, it's in the pipeline right now, and then there's sort 02:21:28.913 --> 02:21:34.600 - of the faucet that turns off behind. I think Councilor Wilts had mentioned something to that effect, 02:21:34.600 --> 02:21:40.400 - not to put words in her mouth, regarding the ability that we always have had to put holds on positions 02:21:40.400 --> 02:21:46.481 - that come out from departments anyway. Thinking about at what point we turn off the faucet has my attention 02:21:46.481 --> 02:21:48.958 - this evening, I think. That's a good point. 02:21:49.186 --> 02:21:57.928 - Ms. Turner-King had her hand up. I was just gonna add that I also know of one department that has actually 02:21:57.928 --> 02:22:06.588 - extended an offer. The offer has been accepted. The applicant has given two weeks notice and is scheduled 02:22:06.588 --> 02:22:14.839 - to start on October 22nd. Okay, got it. Councilor Decker said something during his comment and I had 02:22:14.839 --> 02:22:19.006 - it and I lost it. And I'm trying to figure it out. 02:22:19.746 --> 02:22:28.597 - how to bring it back. Oh, okay. So I guess my question to council members that were here when we did 02:22:28.597 --> 02:22:37.711 - have this implemented before was, and anybody for that matter, the staff as well. When we did have this 02:22:37.711 --> 02:22:47.614 - higher end freeze, what was the process for council to go through and to have the public, I guess, conversations 02:22:47.906 --> 02:22:56.954 - with department heads to make the case for to implement the new person or to. Yeah. I was just going 02:22:56.954 --> 02:23:06.271 - to say if you wanted me to I can easily go back within the week and find the 20 20 recordings and watch 02:23:06.271 --> 02:23:12.990 - it and provide a summary of those conversations to counsel. I want to say. 02:23:13.954 --> 02:23:22.991 - was if a department had a vacancy, they submitted a request stating what the vacancy was, you know, 02:23:22.991 --> 02:23:32.661 - within the narrative and why they needed it. And then council would bring them in at the next opportunity, 02:23:32.661 --> 02:23:42.782 - you know, the closest meeting that they could. So. Yes, Councillor Hawke. Just wanted to mention that I noticed 02:23:44.578 --> 02:23:51.935 - I know you folks don't care what the state's doing, but I noticed one of the things that they were doing 02:23:51.935 --> 02:23:58.942 - was saying if the position, I didn't have memorized it and I just was reviewing it, something about 02:23:58.942 --> 02:24:06.299 - if the position was vacant where they came forward, they still had to leave it vacant for 30 days before 02:24:06.299 --> 02:24:11.134 - they filled it. They had to have permission to fill it, but thereby, 02:24:11.458 --> 02:24:18.601 - relieving that budget so that 30 days worth of salary was not used because they were trying to get enough 02:24:18.601 --> 02:24:25.340 - money to get through the year or having some reversions. I mean, you would want to go back and take 02:24:25.340 --> 02:24:32.146 - a look at that. But I thought, well, that is one way to really try to get some reversions is to say, 02:24:32.146 --> 02:24:38.884 - if it's already been vacant for a while and you hadn't bothered to fill it now, all of a sudden you 02:24:38.884 --> 02:24:40.030 - want to fill it. 02:24:40.322 --> 02:24:46.988 - and you come and say, yes, you want to fill it, you still have to leave it for another 30 days. 02:24:46.988 --> 02:24:54.278 - I don't know, I just thought that was an interesting part to put in there. We might wanna look at, would 02:24:54.278 --> 02:25:01.361 - that help? I'm not saying I'm for it, we're against it. Yes, Councilor. Yeah, I wanna pick up on that 02:25:01.361 --> 02:25:06.846 - because there are positions we've had vacant in the county for several months. 02:25:07.010 --> 02:25:12.531 - I think if you're gonna take a measure of what's necessary or not, you can make an argument that says 02:25:12.531 --> 02:25:17.998 - if you haven't even marketed it, if it's been vacant for a while, those might be line items to start 02:25:17.998 --> 02:25:23.411 - looking at. We would just need, I think, a clock on some of those to figure out in the 2026 budget, 02:25:23.411 --> 02:25:28.986 - if there's a line item for it and there's an appropriation, but we know it's been sitting open for six 02:25:28.986 --> 02:25:34.561 - months or more, that might be something to look at. So it's similar to what I think you're describing, 02:25:34.561 --> 02:25:36.510 - but to go a little farther and say, 02:25:36.642 --> 02:25:43.371 - Is this necessary if it's been sitting vacant? What is the rationale for keeping it open? And there 02:25:43.371 --> 02:25:50.301 - may be some positions in there we can scrape. But I know we're off the rails on the resolution itself, 02:25:50.301 --> 02:25:57.299 - but yeah. I mean, it's still all a part of it. Yes, Councilor, I'll go Decker and then Feidl. One thing 02:25:57.299 --> 02:26:04.162 - we could do, so if we have folks that are in progress, one thing we could do is add to the resolution 02:26:04.162 --> 02:26:06.046 - that we recognize there's a 02:26:06.146 --> 02:26:13.936 - ramping up of this, meaning that obviously much like the overtime discussion, faucet on, faucet off 02:26:13.936 --> 02:26:21.959 - can be more complicated during a service period. So I'm wondering since we ticked off a few people and 02:26:21.959 --> 02:26:30.139 - I wouldn't want to do this, us doing this, but if we said that between now and the next week, department 02:26:30.139 --> 02:26:35.358 - heads could identify things in progress that could then be tracked 02:26:35.746 --> 02:26:43.389 - towards that onset of whatever the disposition of that is. And then after that, this occupies that process. 02:26:43.389 --> 02:26:50.750 - So it literally gives sort of an on-ramp to anyone who registers within the week. Public defender says, 02:26:50.750 --> 02:26:57.332 - hey, I've got this interview. Prosecutor says this coming up. They give us an idea of those. 02:26:57.332 --> 02:27:04.126 - We have those. We've got that sort of docketed. Here's number one, two, three, four, five, six. 02:27:04.226 --> 02:27:11.426 - and I hate to put extra work on them, but this could fix this, then post that list after the week is 02:27:11.426 --> 02:27:18.626 - closed, then we're under this system. And that gives everybody a chance to say, I don't wanna take a 02:27:18.626 --> 02:27:25.825 - ride on that cruise, or I do wanna ride on that cruise, or I'll just wait until this all settles and 02:27:25.825 --> 02:27:31.742 - sees. Does that make sense? So if I were wizarding this on here, I would put that, 02:27:35.170 --> 02:27:47.781 - whereas is right. So I would put it in. I wouldn't make it the last whereas. Yeah. Your intent is to 02:27:47.781 --> 02:27:54.398 - ask departments to provide some type of list that of 02:27:55.746 --> 02:28:02.437 - that are already started. I think you can identify what you mean by started. Does that mean I posted 02:28:02.437 --> 02:28:09.062 - the job? Does that mean I've interviewed? Where are we at? And then what I think might be easier is 02:28:09.062 --> 02:28:16.350 - to say that to attach the list as an exhibit and say, as identified by the departments, these are the ongoing 02:28:16.802 --> 02:28:23.698 - Hiring process in place prior to the passage of this resolution and this resolution would allow the 02:28:23.698 --> 02:28:30.594 - hiring of those positions Yeah, I would say if there's a human involved in a discussion. That's not 02:28:30.594 --> 02:28:37.629 - Someone on the county side or a human prospect in that now that that would be enough and we give that 02:28:37.629 --> 02:28:44.318 - grace for this one week additional period and then from beyond that Go to the traditional system 02:28:45.122 --> 02:28:53.703 - I'm an interested applicant hot prospect, interview and progress negotiation underway. I think that 02:28:53.703 --> 02:29:02.713 - I think beyond that it's fishing and it's not there. And then it just falls under this which is somebody 02:29:02.713 --> 02:29:11.723 - comes in and says, I gotta have this, you all should agree. And we say yay. Does that make sense, Molly. 02:29:11.723 --> 02:29:13.182 - Councillor Fido. 02:29:13.826 --> 02:29:20.335 - Speaking of Molly, she gave a really good example of a timeline of a situation, a current situation. 02:29:20.335 --> 02:29:27.359 - And so I don't know what we would need to write to accommodate that, to make it fair to the person accepting 02:29:27.359 --> 02:29:33.867 - the job. In my mind, we certainly don't want somebody to say, I'm leaving another job, and thought I 02:29:33.867 --> 02:29:36.574 - had one here, and then they don't, right? 02:29:37.090 --> 02:29:43.627 - I think that would be a situation that would go in that exhibit list that Trent or Councilor Deckert 02:29:43.627 --> 02:29:50.163 - was just referring to to say that this process has already been started and actually finished. We're 02:29:50.163 --> 02:29:56.700 - just waiting for a start date so that that position can be hired as an exception to this resolution. 02:29:56.700 --> 02:29:59.742 - I just don't want the timing to get messed up. 02:29:59.970 --> 02:30:06.731 - anyhow in giving people options that they thought they had and then they make poor, not really poor 02:30:06.731 --> 02:30:13.965 - decisions, but they're stuck with the consequences, right? Although I understand that there's some urgency 02:30:13.965 --> 02:30:20.726 - to take action, I think that the best course would be for me to incorporate all of these ideas in a 02:30:20.726 --> 02:30:26.270 - draft, send it out to you, and then you can review it at the next week's meeting. 02:30:26.530 --> 02:30:37.617 - and that also gives departments time to tell us what what they have in progress or if they have additional 02:30:37.617 --> 02:30:48.187 - feedback because right now this is just a discussion item I don't know if you're opening it to public 02:30:48.187 --> 02:30:56.062 - comment but I imagine there is public comment I'm sure of that yeah okay so 02:30:58.466 --> 02:31:06.647 - that it's definitely a thought that is on our minds right now. And it is clear that a lot of us still 02:31:06.647 --> 02:31:14.748 - have some things that we want to work out with this. And since this is just a discussion rather than 02:31:14.748 --> 02:31:22.929 - Councilor Iverson making a motion, this is something that I think we need to think about a little bit 02:31:22.929 --> 02:31:28.062 - more, get more data here from our department heads as well. And 02:31:28.770 --> 02:31:37.954 - come back to the drawn board next week on the 30th. Yes, Councillor Fido. Just one more thing I see 02:31:37.954 --> 02:31:47.597 - at the bottom. It talks about in number six will automatically expire December 31st. And I guess I don't 02:31:47.597 --> 02:31:56.781 - know where that date came from. It's a placeholder right now. That is a discussion point that I was 02:31:56.781 --> 02:31:58.526 - going to bring up. 02:32:00.098 --> 02:32:06.971 - In essence, I drafted it just like our PAC pause, which was it would expire at the end of this year 02:32:06.971 --> 02:32:13.981 - unless revisited or extended by council. I think it makes sense. And the intent is to limit budgetary 02:32:13.981 --> 02:32:20.854 - expenses for next year that it would extend into December 31st of 2026. Yeah, because I think we're 02:32:20.854 --> 02:32:28.414 - at a different point now making this resolution than we were when we did the PAC pause, right? In my opinion. 02:32:30.882 --> 02:32:38.215 - And this resolution actually number six says at the bottom. I know it's not something that we're going 02:32:38.215 --> 02:32:45.334 - to at least for me, I'm not ready right now. Number six, it says this resolution will automatically 02:32:45.334 --> 02:32:52.453 - expire December 31st, 2025. So that's just maybe something to think of to change as well too, since 02:32:52.453 --> 02:32:59.358 - we just had the conversation of having it set to expire during the last day of the budget of 26. 02:32:59.938 --> 02:33:11.558 - which is December 31st. Okay. So that was a, so if there are any department heads that are listening 02:33:11.558 --> 02:33:23.294 - and watching or here, please send your information to us as council. We, again, we do care about what 02:33:23.294 --> 02:33:28.126 - is happening with the state house because 02:33:28.642 --> 02:33:35.387 - They're the reasons why we're having all these conversations and trying to figure out and stress to 02:33:35.387 --> 02:33:42.199 - the max and all the ulcers that all of us feel as we are going through this budget season. So I dare 02:33:42.199 --> 02:33:49.146 - to say that we actually do. If I could, I'd like to have departments forward everything to the council 02:33:49.146 --> 02:33:52.990 - office. That way you guys don't get a bunch of different 02:33:53.122 --> 02:33:59.250 - Emails and then that way I'll consolidate them and work with Molly and then we can get them all out 02:33:59.250 --> 02:34:05.623 - And I know this is going to be asking a lot of department heads but I I think the best approach because 02:34:05.623 --> 02:34:11.996 - I don't think they're all watching is for either Kim or myself to send an email out to department heads 02:34:11.996 --> 02:34:18.185 - and I would like to see what council feels about as putting a deadline for like end of day Wednesday 02:34:18.185 --> 02:34:21.310 - and I say end of day Wednesday because potentially 02:34:21.442 --> 02:34:28.488 - I'm going to take all of this information and try to get a draft for a packet that's going to come out 02:34:28.488 --> 02:34:35.193 - on Friday. Because we'll have to have the agenda in the packet out Friday for next Tuesday. Okay. 02:34:35.193 --> 02:34:36.766 - I mean, I can work on. 02:34:36.898 --> 02:34:43.227 - We could say Thursday. I was gonna say, could we say, since today's Tuesday, that gives people a lot 02:34:43.227 --> 02:34:49.682 - of chance to ponder and think about that. So I'd like the idea, and I'm wondering if everybody is okay 02:34:49.682 --> 02:34:56.137 - with this, of allowing department heads to weigh in by noon on Thursday, this Thursday, so that we can 02:34:56.137 --> 02:35:02.529 - get the information out and put it in packets, so that we can all receive it, ponder on it, until our 02:35:02.529 --> 02:35:04.158 - next meeting on the 30th. 02:35:04.386 --> 02:35:12.026 - Does that sound good for everybody? Yes, counselor. And maybe giving leeway for for staff that if the 02:35:12.026 --> 02:35:19.815 - the incoming data is is quite a bit and we're working on 26 budget and we're working on everything else 02:35:19.815 --> 02:35:27.604 - that if there is not turnaround time to include it for the next advertised budget that that maybe grace 02:35:27.604 --> 02:35:30.750 - can be given for a future agenda as well. 02:35:31.586 --> 02:35:37.577 - I'm very conscious of the amount of work that we're putting on our staff at this point. Of course, 02:35:37.577 --> 02:35:43.628 - of course. To piggyback on Council Member Iverson's comment, I think I can send an email and I will 02:35:43.628 --> 02:35:49.801 - also ask department heads just to send comments directly to me because Kim and Lehua are knee deep in 02:35:49.801 --> 02:35:56.034 - budgets and this is one thing, and Sophia Travis, so this is one thing I can just handle myself. Okay, 02:35:56.034 --> 02:35:58.878 - thank you. Thank you for stepping up to the... 02:35:59.394 --> 02:36:11.426 - volunteer for the Tribune. All right. Okay. So be prepared for conversations for next week as we go 02:36:11.426 --> 02:36:19.006 - through this. All right. Next up on our agenda here is item B. 02:36:19.330 --> 02:36:27.480 - Council, I move to open for discussion and to clarify that the council precedent set for assigning an 02:36:27.480 --> 02:36:34.991 - employee as an outlier in the salary ordinance is based on the employee's hourly rate and not 02:36:34.991 --> 02:36:43.221 - the classification. Second. All right. And this is where I look to Ms. Turner-King again, because this 02:36:43.221 --> 02:36:48.574 - is your part where you come in. It's your show. We all live in it. 02:37:00.578 --> 02:37:07.974 - This is the situation that occurred back in February. It's a little bit further back than February. 02:37:07.974 --> 02:37:15.518 - In November, the Council Office and the Public Defender worked to create a job description for system 02:37:15.518 --> 02:37:23.136 - navigators. Prior to then, a system navigator job description didn't exist, so we created one, we sent 02:37:23.136 --> 02:37:30.014 - it to WIS, it came back, it was classified as a Comet D, and previously it was a Civ Poll D. 02:37:30.754 --> 02:37:40.619 - Council approved the amended job description in February and what was supposed to happen at that meeting 02:37:40.619 --> 02:37:50.014 - was that the system navigators would be grandfathered in or classified as outliers at their current 02:37:50.014 --> 02:37:58.846 - rate and then when that rate matched the rate of the comment declassification then they would 02:37:59.586 --> 02:38:08.579 - in essence, absorb the rate and continue on with the common declassification. The signature page for 02:38:08.579 --> 02:38:17.927 - what occurred at the February 11th meeting documents the process that I just said, and the agenda states 02:38:17.927 --> 02:38:27.098 - that process. Unfortunately, the motion was different and so thus led to confusion. So currently, what 02:38:27.098 --> 02:38:29.502 - we need to clarify is that 02:38:30.722 --> 02:38:36.693 - What we need to clarify is, was it the council's intent to grandfather them and then at the rate, which 02:38:36.693 --> 02:38:42.550 - is in line with what council has done in this situation in the past, or was the intent to grandfather 02:38:42.550 --> 02:38:48.349 - them in at the classification, which would mean that the rates would never align and thus they would 02:38:48.349 --> 02:38:54.550 - remain at the civil D rate until the people who are currently in that position vacated it and new positions 02:38:54.550 --> 02:39:00.062 - would be hired in at the common D rate, which is not what council usually does, I've been told. 02:39:05.506 --> 02:39:12.795 - Thank you, yes, Councilor Feidl. So I don't know that I remember everything, but I think that I feel 02:39:12.795 --> 02:39:20.011 - strongly that there should be an element of past practice here. What we have done in the past would 02:39:20.011 --> 02:39:27.227 - make me very happy to do again. All right, does anybody else have any questions or comments related 02:39:27.227 --> 02:39:34.516 - to this item? Yes, Councilor. Council Member Feidl said it the best, I agree. Okay, anybody else for 02:39:34.516 --> 02:39:35.454 - that matter? 02:39:36.866 --> 02:39:45.579 - Seeing none, for the record, Councilor Hawkins left the building. Okay, so if there is public comment 02:39:45.579 --> 02:39:54.206 - on this particular item, here is your time to shine, you can come forward to the lectern here in the 02:39:54.206 --> 02:40:02.834 - night, you know, room, or you can raise your hand via teams. And seeing none, maybe please have. Oh, 02:40:02.834 --> 02:40:04.542 - well, before we do. 02:40:04.706 --> 02:40:13.435 - This is just open for discussion, so there's not a motion on the table to make a salary amendment. Okay. 02:40:13.435 --> 02:40:22.247 - Just kidding. Do we need to approve our clarification? Do we need to make a motion? Do we need to approve 02:40:22.247 --> 02:40:30.643 - council's intent? I think the motion would incorporate the intent. Got it. I think it did too. So do 02:40:30.643 --> 02:40:33.470 - you want to make a motion tonight 02:40:33.762 --> 02:40:43.638 - Amend the salary ordinance or would you like us to add it to the next meeting? No. Add the clarity you 02:40:43.638 --> 02:40:52.459 - just decided. We're going to let him finish his bite. And then. Iverson clarified it is. It 02:40:52.459 --> 02:41:02.718 - is my understanding that the clarity that Council just identified matches what I read in what I just said. 02:41:10.946 --> 02:41:22.171 - motion was to open for discussion so I think you have to move to amend the salary ordinance that so 02:41:22.171 --> 02:41:33.620 - that the salary ordinance aligns with your discussion. I mean I'm gonna do my best on this motion you 02:41:33.620 --> 02:41:38.334 - ready. Council I moved to open the salary 02:41:38.530 --> 02:41:46.386 - The outlier in the salary ordinance is based on the employee's hourly rate. Second. All right. Oh, man, 02:41:46.386 --> 02:41:54.620 - there's not a lot of confidence over there. We got a motion and a second. Yes. So is this the past practice, 02:41:54.620 --> 02:42:02.174 - what we did before? I just want to clarify. I don't know what to miss turning for that. We need to. 02:42:07.874 --> 02:42:16.980 - If I may help with the motion. I am in need of it. Perhaps the language should be that you are moving 02:42:16.980 --> 02:42:26.176 - to amend the salary ordinance so that the system navigators are identified as outliers by their hourly 02:42:26.176 --> 02:42:35.550 - rate and not by their classification. At this point, you could say so moved. A little too helpful there. 02:42:35.938 --> 02:42:47.498 - Nice prompting. Love the prompting. OK. So just so we all are clear, is that sufficient for the intent? 02:42:47.498 --> 02:42:59.614 - And the best practice. Correct. And the best practice. Best practice. OK. So now that we did that, now I can 02:43:00.066 --> 02:43:08.308 - go back to my Oopsy-Daisy moment and saying, if there's any public comment related to this item, please 02:43:08.308 --> 02:43:16.391 - come forward to the lectern here in the Nattie Hill room or raise your hand via James. Pardon me, who 02:43:16.391 --> 02:43:24.871 - seconded that? I consented. All right. Seeing none, I ask for consent that we go to a roll call. Councilor 02:43:24.871 --> 02:43:29.150 - Feidl? Yes. Councilor Henry? Yes. Councilor Crossley? 02:43:29.698 --> 02:43:39.448 - Yes. Councillor Iverson. Yes. Councillor Deckard. Motion passes five zero. Okay. Thank you very much. 02:43:39.448 --> 02:43:48.816 - Next up is item F. Council I move to open for discussion and possible adoption resolution 2025-27 02:43:48.816 --> 02:43:53.118 - establishing the 2026 minimum cash balances. 02:43:56.386 --> 02:44:04.736 - Ms. Turner-King, it says you are up on this conversation. Well, I can start this conversation, but I 02:44:04.736 --> 02:44:13.499 - don't think this is a me conversation. I think there is some interest in potentially amending the minimum 02:44:13.499 --> 02:44:21.766 - cash balance resolutions that was passed. And I don't have it readily available to display it, so I 02:44:21.766 --> 02:44:25.982 - don't know if Kim, you could find that resolution. 02:44:27.746 --> 02:44:35.152 - Before the conversation starts off, I think the one caveat and concern that I will voice is that if 02:44:35.152 --> 02:44:42.557 - we're going to in any way amend those minimum balance levels, I do think that it's worthy of having 02:44:42.557 --> 02:44:50.185 - a conversation with FSG. And so I have a scheduled meeting time with FSG tomorrow. And so if there are 02:44:50.185 --> 02:44:54.110 - any questions that council has or concerns that they 02:44:54.338 --> 02:45:02.114 - immediately would want answered before amending this resolution. I am happy to address that with F S 02:45:02.114 --> 02:45:09.814 - G tomorrow. Okay. Um, okay. And I see the auditors hit was an agreement as well as making sure that 02:45:09.814 --> 02:45:17.744 - we have that conversation with F S G. Um, so since it was brought forward for discussion, um, and this 02:45:17.744 --> 02:45:20.670 - is information for us to give back to 02:45:21.282 --> 02:45:28.439 - the powers that be to have the conversation with FSD. Would anybody like to make their conversations? 02:45:28.439 --> 02:45:35.806 - I'm gonna go to Councilor Decker and then I'm gonna rotate over here to my right with Councilor Iverson. 02:45:35.806 --> 02:45:42.893 - Thank you very much for entertaining this and I appreciate very much some analysis from FSD and I'll 02:45:42.893 --> 02:45:47.454 - just be candid. I've talked on the mic numerous times about this 02:45:47.586 --> 02:45:57.812 - that I have a concern that some of the pressure we're hitting in our budget is our desire that we enacted 02:45:57.812 --> 02:45:59.742 - in this resolution. 02:45:59.906 --> 02:46:07.425 - to hit all these minimum cash balances so that when we're budgeting, we're looking at priorities of 02:46:07.425 --> 02:46:15.095 - departments. We're looking at revenues coming in, but we're also thinking about minimum cash balances 02:46:15.095 --> 02:46:22.915 - so much that it is start. It's starting to perhaps eat into things that we have. We went from a minimum 02:46:22.915 --> 02:46:26.750 - and I'll take just the general fund for line 1000. 02:46:27.138 --> 02:46:34.873 - We went in the general fund from a cash balance last year of 10 million up to 15 million. I am concerned 02:46:34.873 --> 02:46:42.314 - that that additional 5 million is starting to creep into the pressure that we're feeling and that we 02:46:42.314 --> 02:46:46.366 - are literally getting into while this is a time to be. 02:46:46.498 --> 02:46:53.920 - to have austerity and to trim it and to own it and to think hard about every single line. And I'm not 02:46:53.920 --> 02:47:01.707 - saying we have not done that in the past, but we are literally looking in every space in every department. 02:47:01.707 --> 02:47:09.639 - While it is a time to do that, we also have to think about the priorities that we set and what we sacrifice. 02:47:09.639 --> 02:47:14.878 - And while I do believe it is desirable that the county maintains strong 02:47:15.074 --> 02:47:22.270 - minimum cash balances over existing rainy day funds as part of good practice. I'm a little bit concerned 02:47:22.270 --> 02:47:29.465 - that that effort to please both rainy day fund, which you need to have, and we have had, and we've built 02:47:29.465 --> 02:47:36.318 - up over the years, and minimum cash balance starts to set a tierage of systems by which the service 02:47:36.318 --> 02:47:43.377 - for which the taxpayers have paid starts to come in equally with those things. And I'll put it another 02:47:43.377 --> 02:47:44.542 - way, if I could. 02:47:45.218 --> 02:47:52.310 - Uh, years ago, there was a good, uh, state rep up from the northern part of the state named Jeff aspect. 02:47:52.310 --> 02:47:59.403 - He was ways and means chair. I think, uh, he's still around. He would always say this when Franco Bannon 02:47:59.403 --> 02:48:06.225 - was governor and there was some surplus in the state. He'd say government is not a bank. Now I don't 02:48:06.225 --> 02:48:13.182 - believe that that statement is 110% of the time, but we have to be very careful that in our effort to. 02:48:13.442 --> 02:48:21.716 - hit these high standards of money we want to kind of have on hand that we're not forcing ourselves to 02:48:21.716 --> 02:48:29.827 - cut services or cut things without being smart about it and so tonight I mean we're literally we're 02:48:29.827 --> 02:48:31.774 - talking about overtime. 02:48:32.034 --> 02:48:39.769 - We're talking about hiring freezes. We're talking about moving money into bonds. We're talking about 02:48:39.769 --> 02:48:47.657 - what goes in that bond. We have to think about all those things, and that is our job. We signed up for 02:48:47.657 --> 02:48:55.468 - it. But I just worry that that $15 million could be a price too high. And so I would love to hear FSG 02:48:55.468 --> 02:48:58.302 - comment on $12 million as a minimum. 02:48:58.434 --> 02:49:07.074 - And I would say that that would be to me a starting point that we think of that as a minimum, but we 02:49:07.074 --> 02:49:16.057 - may in future years find that our ability to continue to say those sort of high standards we have versus 02:49:16.057 --> 02:49:22.302 - what's happening in our tax base that we may not be able to kind of keep 02:49:22.690 --> 02:49:29.347 - those numbers the way they are. I don't want to affect our bond rating. I'm looking for that answer 02:49:29.347 --> 02:49:36.403 - from them. I don't want to put us into trouble. But I know that when I looked, I believe it was yesterday 02:49:36.403 --> 02:49:43.126 - I was in here for a good portion of the day, it looked like we had a 22 million cash balance. We had 02:49:43.126 --> 02:49:46.654 - 7 million of that, which was not designated dollars. 02:49:46.786 --> 02:49:52.958 - And so I have to think about if I go sit right now in the middle of Elksville or somewhere in this county, 02:49:52.958 --> 02:49:58.900 - can I make an argument to a taxpayer? I'm cutting services and I need to add another 5 million to that 02:49:58.900 --> 02:50:04.668 - minimum cash fund. I hope I'm wrong on that, but I just not to belabor the point. I think we've got 02:50:04.668 --> 02:50:10.840 - a. I think we have to sacrifice a little bit too in that and that doesn't mean not being fiscally prudent. 02:50:10.840 --> 02:50:14.878 - It just means pruning some of our expectations, so I'll stop talking. 02:50:16.066 --> 02:50:23.880 - Thank you very much. Councilor Iverson. Thank you, Madam President. The way I'm looking at this is that 02:50:23.880 --> 02:50:32.070 - we, as I think Council Member Henry said it earlier, need to have every tool in our toolbox at our disposal. 02:50:32.070 --> 02:50:39.584 - I'm very glad that we're talking with FSG tomorrow. I'm very glad that we're discussing this. And I 02:50:39.584 --> 02:50:44.318 - think this is certainly one of the things that we can look at. 02:50:44.578 --> 02:50:52.427 - as this year I do think is gonna be one of the easier years. I think the next two years are gonna be 02:50:52.427 --> 02:51:00.510 - even harder. So I remain curious and I think that's a good place to be here. And I wanna reiterate that 02:51:00.510 --> 02:51:08.437 - I am deeply in favor of the work of the Long-Term Finance Committee. I think that's a very wise thing 02:51:08.437 --> 02:51:11.390 - that we did to create that committee. 02:51:11.490 --> 02:51:18.419 - these minimum cash balances, minimum fund balances came out of that committee as a best practice. And 02:51:18.419 --> 02:51:25.348 - you can go out and look at local government finance and look at the different best practices. This is 02:51:25.348 --> 02:51:32.345 - one of them. I don't think anybody here is looking to get rid of these cash balances. And I think that 02:51:32.345 --> 02:51:39.070 - as we are having these conversations, this is something that Councilmember Deckard raised as well, 02:51:39.234 --> 02:51:48.297 - that if we zero-based budgeted this from 2024, or I think that was the last year that we had it, that 02:51:48.297 --> 02:51:57.360 - would that impact the bond rating? Would that impact our ability to have ability to bond? And I think 02:51:57.360 --> 02:52:06.334 - these are all really interesting questions that we need to talk with FSG about. And one of, I think, 02:52:07.682 --> 02:52:15.484 - The other thing that I wanted to point out is as you're looking at this long list on the screen of minimum 02:52:15.484 --> 02:52:19.422 - fund balances. I don't I am not in favor of reducing. 02:52:19.522 --> 02:52:25.976 - you know, all of them by a certain percentage. What I am in favor of is I think what something that 02:52:25.976 --> 02:52:32.689 - Councilor Deckard alluded to was looking at the general fund and the general fund alone, because that's 02:52:32.689 --> 02:52:39.466 - been the emphasis that we are looking at our 2026 budget at is trying to keep that general fund healthy. 02:52:39.466 --> 02:52:46.114 - So I'll leave it at those comments. Thank you. Councilor Henry. Thank you, Madam President. I have two 02:52:46.114 --> 02:52:49.470 - questions and then a comment. So first question is, 02:52:49.570 --> 02:52:58.122 - The FSD's recent assessment about leaving the minimum fund balance as recommended, has that letter been 02:52:58.122 --> 02:53:06.674 - made public in a public space? We received a document from them. Is that something that's public record 02:53:06.674 --> 02:53:15.390 - that could be found at this point? As far as I know, it hasn't been shared publicly. I think it would be. 02:53:16.034 --> 02:53:22.198 - good to do so. So between now and the next time we talk about this, that makes sense. Secondly, I have 02:53:22.198 --> 02:53:28.422 - a question about the numbers and then I'll get to my comments. So Brianne and Carly, in order to really 02:53:28.422 --> 02:53:34.646 - understand this question, we need to understand what happened between settlements because what the fund 02:53:34.646 --> 02:53:40.990 - balance is doing is protecting our ability to pay our bills each month, right? And as we sawtooth down to 02:53:41.154 --> 02:53:47.640 - the moment where we're running low on funds before settlement is when things get worrisome. So can you 02:53:47.640 --> 02:53:53.937 - share if you have the balances between the last settlements of December and June of 25 of this year 02:53:53.937 --> 02:54:00.422 - and what that looks like? Because I think we do need some numbers in order to really understand what's 02:54:00.422 --> 02:54:04.830 - being asked here. Do you have it? I mean, that fast. OK. Yes, I have. 02:54:05.186 --> 02:54:20.966 - information in front of me. So we ended the year general fund balance at $30,181,939. So in the span 02:54:20.966 --> 02:54:34.558 - between settlements, so 12-18-24 through 6-19-25, the total receipts were $17,241,973. 02:54:34.914 --> 02:54:44.895 - And then just the salary portion of expenses from the general fund were $22,456,600. So pretty close. 02:54:44.895 --> 02:54:54.092 - All right. So just one other figure. The day before settlement, the general fund cash balance 02:54:54.092 --> 02:55:03.486 - was $17,404,000. So real close. And so one can imagine if we had health care reimbursements hit 02:55:03.586 --> 02:55:08.694 - at that moment, like we just dealt with last week, 5.6 million, give or take, that would have been a 02:55:08.694 --> 02:55:14.054 - challenge for us because we would have had a difference in the minimum fund balance. Okay. I think that's 02:55:14.054 --> 02:55:19.263 - one of the points we need to evaluate with FSG right there. So I want to just maybe say my piece about 02:55:19.263 --> 02:55:24.573 - this as we get in front of FSG and what this really means. I've heard this opinion making about reducing 02:55:24.573 --> 02:55:28.062 - the minimum fund balance for the past few weeks. I just don't agree. 02:55:28.354 --> 02:55:34.278 - I just don't agree with it. But aside from the fact that we just voted in June to raise our caps at 02:55:34.278 --> 02:55:40.439 - the advice of FSG based on their expertise as financial advisors, right? So I think the first idea that 02:55:40.439 --> 02:55:46.363 - I want to talk about is this idea of government as a bank, which I think Councilor Deckard's raised 02:55:46.363 --> 02:55:52.643 - a few times. I think it's probably best to think of the minimum fund balance as a shield or our insurance 02:55:52.643 --> 02:55:57.086 - policy against those shocks, kind of like that, which we just heard about. 02:55:57.186 --> 02:56:02.814 - It's not just the health insurance payments, it's the fact that the state and federal funding is wonky 02:56:02.814 --> 02:56:08.386 - at best right now in terms of how we get things from the state and federal government. That's part of 02:56:08.386 --> 02:56:14.014 - the discussion here. It's our shield, our insurance policy that we can show that we can pay our bills. 02:56:14.882 --> 02:56:19.636 - So I'm not comfortable, you know, in doing that. I don't think the answer to a leaky budget is to lower 02:56:19.636 --> 02:56:24.208 - the basement floor. I think it's to go find the holes in our budget and go make the cuts where they 02:56:24.208 --> 02:56:28.963 - need to be. We get two sack settlements a year. We've been hit with millions in unanticipated insurance 02:56:28.963 --> 02:56:30.334 - bills in the past two months. 02:56:30.594 --> 02:56:35.858 - And I really do think the days that we went through an ARPA discussion this evening about being kind 02:56:35.858 --> 02:56:41.278 - of flush with ARPA money, as well as COVID money are over. I think it's also fair to say that as income 02:56:41.278 --> 02:56:46.542 - tax changes in the state, our ability to receive the four or $2 million surprise income that we tend 02:56:46.542 --> 02:56:51.754 - to get sometimes year after year, usually in the summer, those disbursements are probably coming to 02:56:51.754 --> 02:56:57.069 - an end as well. And so there's a lot to think about here. I would like to maintain the cushion that's 02:56:57.069 --> 02:56:59.102 - been recommended by FSG because of the 02:56:59.266 --> 02:57:04.845 - two things that are on my mind. First is, it's good accounting practice. When we get audited under generally 02:57:04.845 --> 02:57:09.962 - accepted accounting principles, I hope John Michael's looking down on me right now as talking about 02:57:09.962 --> 02:57:15.387 - gap, but GFOA, the Government Finance Officers Association, they recommend about 16 to 18% of the minimum 02:57:15.387 --> 02:57:20.505 - fund balance. Now, we are at 23% in one of those funds with the general fund, so you could say that 02:57:20.505 --> 02:57:24.702 - seems high-ish, but we have to balance it, I believe, on what FSG was telling us. 02:57:25.346 --> 02:57:30.315 - Which is we just sat through a presentation about bonds, right? Six million over five years. 02:57:30.315 --> 02:57:35.658 - And as Mr. Cockrell said, could be six million every year for five years. That's an increase in our 02:57:35.658 --> 02:57:41.322 - bonding there. We also know that the commissioners would like to bond somewhere between 10 and 17 million 02:57:41.322 --> 02:57:46.558 - every year for the next 20 years to build a criminal justice facility. That's a lot more bonding. 02:57:46.818 --> 02:57:52.970 - which means you have to show the market that you're good for money with the AA bond rating that we have 02:57:52.970 --> 02:57:59.063 - in the county. So more money, more borrowing capacity, a little more in reserve to show we can pay our 02:57:59.063 --> 02:58:05.156 - bills, especially when we saw tooth down to those deductions when we get very close to our settlement. 02:58:05.156 --> 02:58:11.368 - So those things are on my mind as we're looking at this. They clearly need the expertise of FSG to weigh 02:58:11.368 --> 02:58:13.438 - in on this, so we're aiming right. 02:58:13.602 --> 02:58:19.247 - I'm gonna stick with my vote in June at this point, where we raised it, especially given how much is 02:58:19.247 --> 02:58:25.003 - being asked of us to fund while revenues continue to decrease. This counselor, Iverson, I think quoted 02:58:25.003 --> 02:58:30.591 - me, I'm quoting him back now, this is the easy year, right? It gets harder. We're not at final boss 02:58:30.591 --> 02:58:36.180 - level, if you will. So with that, Madam President, those are some of my thoughts on this resolution 02:58:36.180 --> 02:58:39.198 - this evening, thank you. Duly noted, okay, thank you. 02:58:39.714 --> 02:58:50.087 - anybody else would like to weigh in on this conversation? I will. And then we'll proceed forward. Again, 02:58:50.087 --> 02:59:00.657 - I think the biggest thing that we continue to keep talking about is how are we going to lower this deficit 02:59:00.657 --> 02:59:06.782 - that is in our budget right now? And while on one side of the 02:59:07.970 --> 02:59:15.258 - deus if you will maybe is you know the thought of looking at the minimum cash balance and on one side 02:59:15.258 --> 02:59:22.547 - of the coin here I should say is you know maybe not looking at that I think I would like as I've said 02:59:22.547 --> 02:59:24.190 - before with this is we 02:59:24.386 --> 02:59:30.301 - I want to be able to look at, after this budget season has come and gone, that we have left no stones 02:59:30.301 --> 02:59:36.273 - unturned, that we've looked at every possible thing. I know that there are some people, because in our 02:59:36.273 --> 02:59:42.072 - conversations in 2026 budget hearings have been, you know, maybe we used to edit for certain things 02:59:42.072 --> 02:59:47.871 - and some people have been like, well, no, don't do that. And then we hear people going, don't touch 02:59:47.871 --> 02:59:50.654 - my minimum balance right now. And then we have, 02:59:50.818 --> 03:00:00.288 - the argument of, hey, let's look at what this looks like. So I think for me, I want to be able to weigh 03:00:00.288 --> 03:00:09.394 - in on every single thing and look at every little speck of lint when it comes to what we need to do 03:00:09.394 --> 03:00:18.590 - for this particular budget season. So I am curious to know what FSG definitely says, because I don't 03:00:18.590 --> 03:00:19.774 - want to hurt 03:00:19.874 --> 03:00:27.691 - our bond and capacity and I don't want us to be in a really sticky type situation where we've kind of 03:00:27.691 --> 03:00:35.508 - put ourselves in a FAFO status with balances if you will. So that's on my mind and that is my concern 03:00:35.508 --> 03:00:43.172 - and I don't fault any council member up here for trying to figure out what we can do because again, 03:00:43.172 --> 03:00:48.766 - hashtag thanks Indiana for putting us in this predicament to begin with. 03:00:48.866 --> 03:00:58.505 - So I look forward to the conversation that will be had tomorrow and then you will report back to us 03:00:58.505 --> 03:01:08.433 - because I would assume again this is something that will come up on September 30th. Yes and if council 03:01:08.433 --> 03:01:11.518 - members have specific questions 03:01:12.034 --> 03:01:19.431 - If you could forward them to me before tomorrow, which I know is asking a lot so that when the FSG meeting 03:01:19.431 --> 03:01:26.414 - happens, I can ask those questions. And I will also send Councilmember Hock and Wilt an email asking 03:01:26.414 --> 03:01:31.806 - if they have any questions so that they aren't left out of the opportunity to 03:01:32.162 --> 03:01:42.936 - Here fsg's thoughts what time so that we all know exactly They haven't confirmed a time. I only proposed 03:01:42.936 --> 03:01:48.990 - afternoon times so by noon, okay Okay, so by noon tomorrow 03:01:49.922 --> 03:01:56.278 - everybody that has pressing issues or things that we might think about later after we've had a good 03:01:56.278 --> 03:02:02.952 - night's sleep and some coffee tomorrow morning, we'll think about things and we'll pass that information 03:02:02.952 --> 03:02:09.308 - along. And also one more hand raised, Councilor Decker. Yeah, one thing I want to say, I appreciate 03:02:09.308 --> 03:02:15.918 - very much you looking at this. I would be would like to know very specifically what FSG says about this 03:02:15.918 --> 03:02:18.206 - is what you have to do not it would 03:02:18.370 --> 03:02:24.344 - your most ideal thing is never to spend money. Because sometimes I've been in some of those meetings 03:02:24.344 --> 03:02:30.555 - and the implication is just don't ever spend money and you'll be okay. We have got to have very specific 03:02:30.555 --> 03:02:36.706 - information. If I'm literally saying or we are saying in lieu of spend those dollars or don't mean this 03:02:36.706 --> 03:02:42.740 - is really a line item. It's a $5 million line item that sits in the budget alongside everything else, 03:02:42.740 --> 03:02:47.294 - including all the items that we have debated other items that have been cut. 03:02:47.458 --> 03:02:55.235 - and may have been cut. And we need to know very specifically if that would go from 15 to 14, 15 to 13, 03:02:55.235 --> 03:03:02.862 - 15 to 12 in general fund, what that would mean. And I'll put this in email to you, but not that it's 03:03:02.862 --> 03:03:10.790 - the most ideal as a preference to have the most as possible. That is consultant talk, and we need actual 03:03:10.790 --> 03:03:15.774 - talk. And we cannot be the only county that's contemplating this. 03:03:15.938 --> 03:03:24.352 - we're having this issue. I'll go back to Council Henry, and then if we all have any other further discussions 03:03:24.352 --> 03:03:32.308 - after this, I'd like for us to move on for other items here. As a consultant American, I'm not offended 03:03:32.308 --> 03:03:40.416 - by that statement. But Ms. Gregory, what happens, maybe the question for the auditor, when we're lowering 03:03:40.416 --> 03:03:45.694 - the minimum fund balance, what does that do to the deficit? Nothing. 03:03:45.794 --> 03:03:50.675 - Nothing. I think I was just cautioned about comparing this against other line items. It's kind of the 03:03:50.675 --> 03:03:55.555 - equivalent of saying that I have an auto pay set up on a bank account, and I know the money's sitting 03:03:55.555 --> 03:04:00.340 - there, and it's supposed to pay my auto payments. And then sometimes I touch it because maybe I can 03:04:00.340 --> 03:04:05.316 - get a deposit in there in time to cover my bills. It's just a different line item. It's not a line item 03:04:05.316 --> 03:04:07.230 - relative to others. It's just, I think, 03:04:07.778 --> 03:04:15.885 - And it's not really a philosophical statement. At some point, we are going to get into GAP and generally 03:04:15.885 --> 03:04:23.683 - accepted accounting practices. So I do look forward to what FSG has to say on that. Thank you, Matt. 03:04:23.683 --> 03:04:30.863 - So there's a great rapper that wants to hit the marathon continues. So that being said, this 03:04:30.863 --> 03:04:34.878 - is a conversation that will continue to come about. 03:04:34.978 --> 03:04:43.643 - We'll stay tuned like a telenovela next Tuesday, September 30th. All right. Thank you very much. And 03:04:43.643 --> 03:04:52.137 - now we are moving back to item G, which is also a marathon, which is the twenty twenty six budget. 03:04:52.137 --> 03:05:00.716 - All right. Here we go. This is item G one. And for those of you counting at home, we're going to go 03:05:00.716 --> 03:05:04.062 - to G 11. So there's 11 motions coming. 03:05:04.482 --> 03:05:17.834 - Buckle up. Council, I move to open budget 1107-0000 aviation fund and make the following amendments. 03:05:17.834 --> 03:05:31.582 - Reduce line. I'll wait for the screen here. Reduce line 13590 airport operations specialist to $50,711. 03:05:32.386 --> 03:05:48.065 - Reduce account line 17601 Longevity to $5,300. Reduce account line 18101 FICA to $50,577. And finally 03:05:48.065 --> 03:06:02.206 - reduce account line 18201 PERF to $88,868. Second. All right, we got a motion and a second. 03:06:02.402 --> 03:06:11.803 - Are there any questions from Council? Michelle, would you like to speak on this? Yes, if you'll recall 03:06:11.803 --> 03:06:21.114 - during aviation's budget session, they mentioned that a long term employee had resigned and that this 03:06:21.114 --> 03:06:30.332 - line needed to be set back down to the minimum for 2026. So those are the numbers reflective of what 03:06:30.332 --> 03:06:32.158 - is needed for 2026. 03:06:33.762 --> 03:06:46.752 - Okay, all right. Okay. Maybe everyone will call the vote. Councillor Crossley. Yes. Councillor Iverson. 03:06:46.752 --> 03:06:59.366 - Yes. Councillor Deckard. Yes. Councillor Feidl. Yes. Councillor Henry. Yes. Motion passes 5-0. Okay, 03:06:59.366 --> 03:07:00.990 - next up, G2. 03:07:01.666 --> 03:07:14.365 - Council I move to open budget 1000-0271 General Fund Public Defender and make the following amendments. 03:07:14.365 --> 03:07:26.698 - Reduce account line 13038 system navigator to $38,077. Reduce account line 13039 system navigator to 03:07:26.698 --> 03:07:31.582 - $37,728. Reduce account line 18101 FICA 03:07:31.810 --> 03:07:42.556 - to $138,452 and reduce the count line 18201 perf to $249,612. Did I misread something? OK. OK. We got 03:07:42.556 --> 03:07:53.303 - a motion and a second? Yes, Mr. McCain. This item is to, in essence, reflect the change that you just 03:07:53.303 --> 03:08:01.310 - made in the 2026 budget. An artfully stated motion, might I add. All right. 03:08:01.602 --> 03:08:08.909 - Any other further questions from council on this item? I hope not, because we had a whole conversation 03:08:08.909 --> 03:08:16.074 - before. Okay. And seeing none, maybe please have a roll call vote. Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor 03:08:16.074 --> 03:08:23.240 - Deckard? Yes. Councilor Feidl? Yes. Councilor Henry? Yes. Councilor Crosley? Yes. Motion passes 5-0. 03:08:23.240 --> 03:08:30.334 - All right. Next up, item G3. Council, I move to open budget 1000-0626, general fund animal control. 03:08:30.722 --> 03:08:41.108 - and make the following amendment. Increase account line 35040 animal shelter interlocal to $480,808. 03:08:41.108 --> 03:08:47.998 - Okay. And again, this is animal control in the general fund. Okay. 03:08:50.370 --> 03:08:57.333 - Yes, I reached out to the sheriff's department and I spoke with Jamie, the financial manager for the 03:08:57.333 --> 03:09:04.433 - sheriff's office, and asked her if they had received anything with regards to the animal local shelter 03:09:04.433 --> 03:09:11.327 - in her local. And she reached back out to them and it had passed. So this number that I'm asking to 03:09:11.327 --> 03:09:18.910 - increase this to is reflective of what has been passed by the city. So this is our portion for the 2026 year. 03:09:21.954 --> 03:09:30.375 - Any other further discussion from Council on this item? Yes, Councilor Vito. Can you highlight the difference 03:09:30.375 --> 03:09:38.108 - there, what it was and what it's going to? It's right there on the screen. Well, I can't see it from 03:09:38.108 --> 03:09:45.840 - here. You can't? OK, it's 433-123 to 480-808. Thank you. OK. Any other questions or comments on this 03:09:45.840 --> 03:09:51.582 - item? Seeing none, may we please have a roll call vote? Councilor Deckard? 03:09:52.098 --> 03:10:01.162 - Yes. Councillor Final. Yes. Councillor Crossley. Yes. Councillor Henry. Yes. Councillor Iverson. Yes. 03:10:01.162 --> 03:10:10.048 - Motion passes 5-0. All right. Next up is G4. Council I move to open budget 1173-0000. Motor vehicle 03:10:10.048 --> 03:10:18.046 - highway restricted and make the following amendments. Create the following account lines. 03:10:18.466 --> 03:10:29.331 - Truck driver 15830 set the amount to 13,505. Truck driver 15831 set the amount to 13,505. Truck driver 03:10:29.331 --> 03:10:34.078 - 15832 set the amount to 13,505. Truck driver 03:10:34.210 --> 03:10:45.788 - 15833 set the amount to 13505. Truck driver 15835 set the amount to 14045. Truck driver 15836 set the 03:10:45.788 --> 03:10:57.706 - amount to 12829. Truck driver 15837 set the amount to 13505. Truck driver 15838 set the amount to 12829. 03:10:57.706 --> 03:11:04.176 - Truck driver 15839 set the amount to 13505. Truck driver 03:11:04.176 --> 03:11:12.708 - Truck driver 15840, set the amount to 12829. Truck driver 15841, set the amount to 13505. Truck driver 03:11:12.708 --> 03:11:21.074 - 15842, set the amount to 12829. Truck driver 15844, set the amount to 12829. Truck driver 15845, set 03:11:21.074 --> 03:11:28.446 - the amount to 12829. Light equipment operator, right? LT is light, all right, thank you. 03:11:29.602 --> 03:11:39.982 - 15847 set the amount to 14248. Light Equipment Operator 15848 set the amount to 14248. Equipment Operator 03:11:39.982 --> 03:11:49.775 - 15849 set the amount to 14649. Equipment Operator 15850 set the amount to 16053. Equipment Operator 03:11:49.775 --> 03:11:59.568 - 15852 set the amount to 14082. Equipment Operator 15853 set the amount to 16053. Equipment Operator 03:11:59.568 --> 03:12:10.832 - 15854, set the amount to 14082. Equipment operator 15855, set the amount to 14082. Equipment operator 03:12:10.832 --> 03:12:23.422 - 15856, set the amount to 14649. Sign man 15857, set the amount to 14248. Sign man 15858, set the amount to 13697. 03:12:23.618 --> 03:12:35.054 - Traffic Control Tech 15861 set the amount to $11,872. Traffic Control Tech 15862 set the amount to $11,872. 03:12:35.054 --> 03:12:45.960 - Full time self insurance, 18001 set the amount to $100,847. FICA 18101 set the amount to $32,461. PERF 03:12:45.960 --> 03:12:53.584 - 18201 set the amount to $56,368. Furthermore, reduce account line 23400 03:12:53.584 --> 03:13:02.025 - to $93,000 or to account line three zero zero zero six contractual to nine hundred fifty one thousand 03:13:02.025 --> 03:13:09.887 - one hundred twenty one dollars and reduce account line three zero one two nine sidewalk repair 03:13:09.887 --> 03:13:18.245 - and maintenance to one hundred and fifty thousand dollars second no idea that is a terrible thing to 03:13:18.245 --> 03:13:19.486 - say to someone 03:13:19.618 --> 03:13:29.350 - Bingo. All right. Can you repeat those? Michelle, what would you like to add to this? Lisa Ridge is 03:13:29.350 --> 03:13:39.374 - here if you'd like to speak with her. But what happened was this is a way to reduce the amount in 1176 03:13:39.374 --> 03:13:47.646 - and just kind of give some relief to that fund in 1176. So this is just a portion of 03:13:48.098 --> 03:14:00.310 - the truck drivers that can be put in here. We did speak with employee services. This can be done through 03:14:00.310 --> 03:14:12.056 - AOD where a portion can be paid out of two different funds. So do you wish to say anything? Okay. So 03:14:12.056 --> 03:14:17.406 - the public isn't hearing you Lisa, I'm sorry. 03:14:24.194 --> 03:14:31.518 - Hello. So we're just taking 25% of the crews and putting them into 1173. In the past, we used to do 03:14:31.518 --> 03:14:38.842 - transfers all year. It gets a little bit messy doing that. Last year, we tried to do this. It still 03:14:38.842 --> 03:14:46.165 - left our 1176 way over budget. I don't like to be over budget, so moving 25% over to the restricted 03:14:46.165 --> 03:14:52.830 - activities will help balance those two budgets and keep them within our estimated revenue. 03:14:55.522 --> 03:15:02.972 - Thank you very much for that. All right, anybody have any questions on this long motion here that Council 03:15:02.972 --> 03:15:10.071 - Iverson made? It was a long and it was a lot of numbers. So we're confident the numbers are correct, 03:15:10.071 --> 03:15:17.239 - right? No doubt about that, right? Yes. The highway department sent me these numbers. I typed them in 03:15:17.239 --> 03:15:24.830 - to this script, sent it back to them. They double checked it. So everything is correct. Love it. Thank you. 03:15:24.994 --> 03:15:33.365 - And I just want to remind everyone the next one's even longer. So thanks. You were built for this. Okay. 03:15:33.365 --> 03:15:41.655 - All right. Without any other further discussion, you like using your TV. May we please have a roll call 03:15:41.655 --> 03:15:50.265 - roll. Councilor Feidl? Yes. Councilor Henry? Yes. Councilor Deckard? Yes. Councilor Crosley? Yes. Councilor 03:15:50.265 --> 03:15:53.374 - Iverson? Yes. Motion passes five zero. 03:15:53.730 --> 03:16:01.568 - all right next up on the twenty twenty six bingo card is item g five make me laugh council i moved to 03:16:01.568 --> 03:16:09.329 - open budget eleven seventy six dash zero zero zero zero motor vehicle highway and make the following 03:16:09.329 --> 03:16:17.474 - amendments reduce the these account lines super into can i just say the name and not the account whatever 03:16:17.474 --> 03:16:21.470 - you want to do whatever i want to do yeah all right 03:16:21.602 --> 03:16:27.214 - Reduce superintendent to eighty three two five seven director at seven nine eight one eight operations 03:16:27.214 --> 03:16:32.662 - manager at forty four six nine nine highway engineer eighty two seven sixty truck driver oh here we 03:16:32.662 --> 03:16:38.328 - go one five eight three zero to forty five one four truck driver one five eight three one to forty five 03:16:38.328 --> 03:16:44.049 - forty thousand five one four truck driver one five eight three two to forty thousand five one four truck 03:16:44.049 --> 03:16:49.498 - driver one five eight three three to forty thousand five one four truck driver one five eight three 03:16:49.498 --> 03:16:51.568 - five to forty two thousand one thirty 03:16:51.568 --> 03:17:02.994 - Truck driver 15836 to 38,486. Truck driver 15837 to 40,514. Truck driver 15838 to 38,486. Truck driver 03:17:02.994 --> 03:17:14.864 - 15839 to 40,514. Truck driver 15840 to 38,486. Truck driver 15841 to 40,514. Truck driver 15842 to 38,486. 03:17:14.864 --> 03:17:21.520 - Truck driver 15844 to 38,486. Truck driver 15845 to 38,486. 03:17:21.520 --> 03:17:31.751 - Light Equipment Operator 15847 to 42,744. Light Equipment Operator 15848 to 42,744. Equipment Operator 03:17:31.751 --> 03:17:42.478 - 15849 to 43,946. Equipment Operator 15850 to 48,158. Equipment Operator 15852 to 42,245. Equipment Operator 03:17:42.478 --> 03:17:47.742 - 15853 to 48,158. Equipment Operator 15854 to 42,245. 03:17:48.450 --> 03:18:00.136 - Equipment Operator 15855 to 42,245. Equipment Operator 15856 to 43,946. Sign in 15857 to 42,744. Sign 03:18:00.136 --> 03:18:11.134 - in 15858 to 41,091. Traffic Control Tech 15861 to 35,615. Traffic Control Tech 15862 to 35,615. 03:18:11.266 --> 03:18:19.249 - self insurance to five seven five six five three FICA to one eight five two nine three perf to one eight 03:18:19.249 --> 03:18:26.473 - two zero one two three two one seven five eight and increase account line three zero zero zero 03:18:26.473 --> 03:18:34.228 - six contractual to one hundred forty three thousand five hundred fifty two dollars all right anything 03:18:34.228 --> 03:18:38.942 - else to add to this michelle this is the seventy five percent 03:18:39.522 --> 03:18:48.162 - from the lines that is in 1173. Got it. Okay, any questions from council on this item? Seeing none. 03:18:48.162 --> 03:18:57.320 - All right, may we please have a roll call vote. Councilor Crosley? Yes. Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor 03:18:57.320 --> 03:19:05.182 - Decker? Yes. Councilor Feidl? Yes. Councilor Henry? Yes. Motion passes 5-0. Next up is G6. 03:19:05.570 --> 03:19:16.114 - Council, I move to open budget 1197-0000 Stormwater Management and make the following amendments. Create 03:19:16.114 --> 03:19:26.658 - the following account lines. Superintendent at 27,753, Director at 34,208, Operations Manager at 19,157, 03:19:26.658 --> 03:19:29.470 - Highway Engineer at 14,605. 03:19:29.890 --> 03:19:38.459 - and increase account line eighteen zero zero one self-insurance to eighteen six two five increase account 03:19:38.459 --> 03:19:46.786 - line FICA to sixty eight thousand five oh five and increase account line perf to one twenty three four 03:19:46.786 --> 03:19:55.112 - one seven okay um is there anything else to add to this um these are the administrative positions that 03:19:55.112 --> 03:19:58.750 - can't be put into eleven seventy three so um 03:20:00.514 --> 03:20:10.858 - Pardon? Going into 1197, right? So they put a portion of these positions into the stormwater. So to 03:20:10.858 --> 03:20:21.926 - kind of relieve that fund 1176 again. All right. And is there any other questions or comments from council 03:20:21.926 --> 03:20:29.374 - related to this item? Seeing none, may we please have a roll call vote? 03:20:30.338 --> 03:20:39.485 - Councillor Henry? Yes. Councillor Crosley? Yes. Councillor Feidl? Yes. Councillor Iverson? Yes. Councillor 03:20:39.485 --> 03:20:48.289 - Decker? Yes. Motion passes 5-0. Next up is G7. Council, I move to open budget 1000-0002 County General 03:20:48.289 --> 03:20:57.436 - Auditor and make the following amendments. Increase the count line 10020 General Ledger and Grants Manager 03:20:57.436 --> 03:20:58.462 - to $69,493. 03:20:58.722 --> 03:21:12.932 - Reduce account line 10044 internal auditor to 60,653. Increase account line 18101 FICA to 70,782. Increase 03:21:12.932 --> 03:21:27.806 - account line 18201 PERF to 129113. Second. Okay. Anything that adds to this item? So it was discovered that the 03:21:28.130 --> 03:21:35.286 - The general ledger person, when it was first budgeted, should have been budgeted at the eight year. 03:21:35.286 --> 03:21:42.657 - It was not, because there's been a personnel change. There's also been a personnel change with regards 03:21:42.657 --> 03:21:50.171 - to the internal auditor. And so that has been lowered to the one year, because it is now at the minimum. 03:21:50.171 --> 03:21:56.254 - So with those two amendments, that brings her budget to the current personnel. Okay. 03:21:56.706 --> 03:22:03.823 - All right. And just looking at the auditor, did you have anything to add to that? Nope. Okay. Good. 03:22:03.823 --> 03:22:11.154 - You got to get it. Okay. All right. Council. Does anybody have any questions or comments on this item? 03:22:11.154 --> 03:22:18.699 - Seeing none. Maybe please have a roll call vote. Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor Decker? Yes. Councilor 03:22:18.699 --> 03:22:24.606 - Feidl? Yes. Councilor Crosley? Yes. Councilor Henry? Yes. Motion passes five zero. 03:22:27.394 --> 03:22:36.381 - next up is item g8 council i move to open budget 1000-005 county general sheriff and make the following 03:22:36.381 --> 03:22:45.109 - amendments reduce account line 30025 maintenance to one thousand dollars second okay anything to add 03:22:45.109 --> 03:22:54.270 - to this yes um molly and i had miss turner king sorry had a meeting with uh chief deputy parker yesterday 03:22:54.270 --> 03:22:56.862 - along with a couple of his uh 03:22:57.602 --> 03:23:05.256 - people, we were talking over time. And during that conversation, this account line was mentioned. This 03:23:05.256 --> 03:23:12.761 - particular account line is not utilized that much. This one is the one, so they don't mind to reduce 03:23:12.761 --> 03:23:20.341 - it down to the $1,000. It's the maintenance line that's within the jail that they don't want touched. 03:23:20.341 --> 03:23:25.022 - And you guys did not do anything with that. So they are happy. 03:23:25.186 --> 03:23:32.257 - with reducing this down to $1,000. Okay, so thank you for that clarification, because last week, when 03:23:32.257 --> 03:23:39.259 - we were going through our motions, it was determined then that the proposed motion was to zero out a 03:23:39.259 --> 03:23:46.329 - line item. So this is not it? No, this is not it. And to confirm that particular item, they just want 03:23:46.329 --> 03:23:51.390 - to leave it alone? Yes, and I will show it to you here in just a moment. 03:23:55.010 --> 03:24:03.513 - It's this line right here, which is set at $50,000. It's a maintenance slash repair supplies. And it 03:24:03.513 --> 03:24:12.100 - was set at $50,000 last year. And so that's what they're doing for this year as well. Okay. Thank you 03:24:12.100 --> 03:24:20.772 - for that clarification. Council, do you have any questions or comments on this line item? I appreciate 03:24:20.772 --> 03:24:23.550 - the reduction of that line item. 03:24:24.290 --> 03:24:32.524 - All right, and seeing none, maybe please have a roll call vote. Councilor Henry? Yes. Councilor Feidl? 03:24:32.524 --> 03:24:40.997 - Yes. Councilor Crosley? Yes. Councilor Decker? Yes. Councilor Iverson? Yes. Motion passes 5-0. All right, 03:24:40.997 --> 03:24:49.151 - next up is G9. Council, I move to open Budget 1202-0000, Surveyor's Corner Perpetuation, and make the 03:24:49.151 --> 03:24:50.910 - following amendments. 03:24:51.042 --> 03:25:02.516 - Reduce account line 18-001 self-insurance to zero. Reduce account line 18-101 FICA to zero. Reduce account 03:25:02.516 --> 03:25:13.348 - line 18-201 PERF to zero. Second. Okay. Ms. Schell, would you like to add anything to this item? The 03:25:13.348 --> 03:25:20.318 - surveyor has recently attended a conference and per updated SBOA 03:25:20.802 --> 03:25:28.106 - regulations and this kind of thing. It was discovered that benefits along with FICA and PERF cannot 03:25:28.106 --> 03:25:35.629 - be taken out of the Corner Perpetuation Fund. So these items need to be reduced and then they're going 03:25:35.629 --> 03:25:43.006 - to be moved to the General Fund, which are the next two motions. All right, Council, do you have any 03:25:43.006 --> 03:25:46.366 - further discussion or questions on this item? 03:25:46.978 --> 03:25:53.716 - I would just say I did have a chance to sit down with the surveyor on Friday on this issue, and it's 03:25:53.716 --> 03:26:00.455 - one of the good catches. So I appreciate that, caught, reported, shared. I mean, it does bump things 03:26:00.455 --> 03:26:07.193 - back up a little, but good accounting on his part. So just thanking the surveyor for the catch. Yes, 03:26:07.193 --> 03:26:14.332 - thank you. All right. Without any other further discussion, may we please have a roll call vote? Councilor 03:26:14.332 --> 03:26:16.734 - Feidl? Yes. Councilor Crosley? Yes. 03:26:17.474 --> 03:26:26.796 - Councillor Henry? Yes. Councillor Iverson? Yes. Councillor Deckard? Yes. Motion passes 5-0. Okay, next 03:26:26.796 --> 03:26:36.389 - up is item G10. Council, I move to open budget 1000-0006, County General Surveyor, and make the following 03:26:36.389 --> 03:26:45.982 - amendments. Increase the count line 18-101 FICA to 24,142. Increase the count line 18-201 PERF to 39,446. 03:26:47.490 --> 03:26:54.365 - Okay. Michelle, what would you like to add to this item? This is just the FICA portion that's going 03:26:54.365 --> 03:27:01.652 - to pay for the personnel that's in the surveyors corner. So we increased those two amounts to accommodate 03:27:01.652 --> 03:27:07.358 - for that. Okay. Council, do you have any other questions or comments on this item? 03:27:20.226 --> 03:27:41.987 - and I feel like Councillor Hawke is online too. Okay, all right, seeing none, may we please have a roll 03:27:41.987 --> 03:27:49.310 - call vote? Okay, Councillor Henry? 03:27:49.922 --> 03:27:58.534 - Councilor Hawk? Yes. Councilor Crosley? Yes. Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor Decker? Yes. Councilor 03:27:58.534 --> 03:28:07.738 - Feidl? Yes. Motion passes 6-0. I see Ms. Turner and King has her hand up. As a reminder, if you're appearing 03:28:07.738 --> 03:28:16.435 - virtually, you have to be visibly present. So Councilor Hawk would have to turn her camera on to vote. 03:28:16.435 --> 03:28:19.390 - It's on. Yeah, it's on. I see her. 03:28:19.554 --> 03:28:26.972 - Yeah. Visible on the screen. Oh, yeah. OK. There's a painting behind her that I see. OK. All right. 03:28:26.972 --> 03:28:34.687 - Next up on the train is item G11. Council, I move to open budget one thousand dash zero three zero nine 03:28:34.687 --> 03:28:42.253 - county general employee services and make the following amendment increase account line eighteen zero 03:28:42.253 --> 03:28:47.742 - zero one self-insurance to seven million one hundred eighty five thousand 03:28:47.906 --> 03:28:58.974 - seven hundred and fifty dollars all right michelle this is adding that portion of the coroner's perpetuation 03:28:58.974 --> 03:29:09.433 - um personnel which is 0.75 personnel into that fund um in general fund okay council is there any other 03:29:09.433 --> 03:29:11.870 - discussion on this item 03:29:15.522 --> 03:29:26.365 - So can we please have a roll call vote? Councillor Crosley? Yes. Councillor Iverson? Yes. Councillor 03:29:26.365 --> 03:29:37.530 - Decker? Yes. Councillor Feidl? Yes. Councillor Henry? Yes. Councillor Hock? Yes. Yes. Thank you. Motion 03:29:37.530 --> 03:29:44.830 - passes six zero. Okay. Thank you. And that concludes the amendment. 03:29:44.930 --> 03:29:53.549 - We got one more item before we end our time here with each other is council liaison updates and comments. 03:29:53.549 --> 03:30:01.761 - And so I'm sure we got some, let's keep it brief. But I am going to look to councilor Hawk to see if 03:30:01.761 --> 03:30:09.974 - she has anything since she's on virtually. And then I'm going to kind of go down the day as starting 03:30:09.974 --> 03:30:13.470 - with councilor vital after councilor Hawk. 03:30:15.426 --> 03:30:23.316 - No comments. Oh, okay. That was easy. All right, Councillor Fiddle. I think I've just been remiss in 03:30:23.316 --> 03:30:31.285 - saying that we're inundated with the Sophia Travis Grant Committee work, and I've completed 34 of the 03:30:31.285 --> 03:30:39.410 - 45 applications I saw come through, have 11 more to go, and we'll be having a meeting on Friday. That's 03:30:39.410 --> 03:30:40.894 - been the big work. 03:30:41.058 --> 03:30:48.684 - budget hearings, you know, just lots of budgets and committee meetings and liaison assignments. I've 03:30:48.684 --> 03:30:56.763 - been trying to be there where I can, and I saw lots and lots of things. I hope to go to the ribbon cutting 03:30:56.763 --> 03:31:04.389 - this week. So for Fullerton Pike, that's a big deal. I got late to the sunrise ribbon cutting. I was 03:31:04.389 --> 03:31:10.430 - about 20 minutes late, and they were all gone, but it was great. I drove on it. 03:31:10.562 --> 03:31:18.141 - I've been enjoying seeing what's happening in the county as relative county government and other things 03:31:18.141 --> 03:31:25.647 - happening. All right. Thank you very much. Councilor Decker. I just other than budgets and budgets and 03:31:25.647 --> 03:31:32.934 - more budgets also Sophia Travis grant work which thanks to Councilor Fido for reminding me I got to 03:31:32.934 --> 03:31:37.598 - get Johnny on the spot on my stuff because it's a long week but 03:31:37.858 --> 03:31:45.649 - It doesn't wait for anything. I do just wanna say there was a beautiful, since I can't remember the 03:31:45.649 --> 03:31:53.752 - last time we met, but there's a wonderful Monroe County Fall Festival. Thanks to all the community over 03:31:53.752 --> 03:32:01.622 - there that did it. And then looking forward to this weekend. 40 days, so nice to have good things to 03:32:01.622 --> 03:32:06.686 - go to. On the line, Councilor Iverson. The first of my 40 items. 03:32:07.106 --> 03:32:15.285 - No, I'm going to share one thing. The Substance Use Disorder Advisory Commission finally met last Wednesday, 03:32:15.285 --> 03:32:22.939 - and we got a lot of things accomplished. The two things that stand out that I want to make the public 03:32:22.939 --> 03:32:30.442 - aware of is that we are making headway on the 2026 Recovery Summit. So that's really exciting. Keep 03:32:30.442 --> 03:32:32.318 - your eyes peeled out for 03:32:32.418 --> 03:32:42.994 - The second thing is that the Substance Use Disorder Advisory Commission is going to be publishing the 03:32:42.994 --> 03:32:53.467 - first ever Comprehensive Monroe County Treatment Report in June of 2026. This is going to be written 03:32:53.467 --> 03:33:02.384 - by members from Centerstone, the Probation Department, the Indiana Recovery Alliance, 03:33:02.384 --> 03:33:08.386 - And a whole bunch of others were really excited about this because a lot of treatment has been siloed. 03:33:08.386 --> 03:33:14.330 - And so this is going to be a really great report that we can look at. And the last thing I'll mention 03:33:14.330 --> 03:33:15.262 - is this Friday. 03:33:15.394 --> 03:33:23.752 - Since this is recovery month is paint the town purple so come on out to the south side of the lawn and 03:33:23.752 --> 03:33:32.191 - celebrate recovery. I'm going to be dressed in purple there's going to be a DJ there's going to be lots 03:33:32.191 --> 03:33:35.518 - of games and it's always a packed house. 03:33:35.650 --> 03:33:43.031 - But stick around, because this weekend is also Lotus Festival. So come for Paint the Town Purple. Stay 03:33:43.031 --> 03:33:50.268 - for the Lotus Stage, which would be on the north side of the courthouse. So it's going to be a great 03:33:50.268 --> 03:33:57.506 - weekend here in downtown Monroe County. Thank you, Madam President. Just a few notes. I forgot about 03:33:57.506 --> 03:34:04.958 - Lotus Festival. Yeah, Lotus Festival is interesting for me, because it's always the anniversary of when 03:34:05.122 --> 03:34:10.895 - My wife and I decided to move back from Washington here in Bloomerang to Bloomington. So it's something 03:34:10.895 --> 03:34:16.446 - about this time of year and the music that always makes me get a warm fuzzy about coming back to my 03:34:16.446 --> 03:34:21.997 - forever home. It is also National Preparedness Month. We have a lot of months with titles. National 03:34:21.997 --> 03:34:27.548 - Preparedness Month has been recognized since September 11, 2001, where FEMA encourages folks to get 03:34:27.548 --> 03:34:30.046 - prepared and think about their preparedness. 03:34:30.466 --> 03:34:38.324 - It's not a bad time to check your fire alarms at home and just make sure you're in good shape. I want 03:34:38.324 --> 03:34:46.028 - to thank the Perry Township trustee and his staff, Dan Combs, who have written, with the assistance 03:34:46.028 --> 03:34:53.886 - of a local journalist, I think it was Stephen Higgs, on a kind of a report on their experience during 03:34:53.886 --> 03:34:55.966 - the tornado in the spring. 03:34:56.258 --> 03:35:01.421 - you know, hard copy, but it's being distributed around the county to different organizations. But it's 03:35:01.421 --> 03:35:06.484 - a fascinating oral history of what happened and what we really need to do to continue to prepare for 03:35:06.484 --> 03:35:11.597 - things. And I hope that there's a digital copy out there at some point to share with folks. But it's, 03:35:11.597 --> 03:35:16.760 - I think, a great companion to the work that our Emergency Management Agency is doing to really compile 03:35:16.760 --> 03:35:19.166 - the lessons learned we have from just how close 03:35:19.298 --> 03:35:25.212 - Things could have been worse in our community, but they were worse for so many people that are on the 03:35:25.212 --> 03:35:31.009 - end of our lifelines for transitional housing. Some of those stories are still enduring in terms of 03:35:31.009 --> 03:35:36.923 - people trying to get back on their feet and some of the challenges there. It's six months on, but Dan 03:35:36.923 --> 03:35:43.358 - and his team did a really great job with that report. It's worth a look at and getting up into digital spaces. 03:35:44.674 --> 03:35:50.788 - I think lastly, I would just reflect on also just how wonderful it was to see Beacon break ground on 03:35:50.788 --> 03:35:53.694 - their new facility today with Councillor Feidl. 03:35:53.922 --> 03:35:59.999 - Councilor Iverson that were there and Commissioner Thomas. And with all, I think there was a comment 03:35:59.999 --> 03:36:05.596 - made about positivity earlier about events in our community. That was a good positive event. 03:36:05.596 --> 03:36:11.673 - It is so easy to, I think, look down our nose at people that are less fortunate in our community and 03:36:11.673 --> 03:36:18.051 - to make noise online and be full of judgment without solutions. And to be at a place where so many people 03:36:18.051 --> 03:36:23.888 - were working on solutions today and the energy that has gone into making that facility a reality 03:36:23.888 --> 03:36:29.364 - It was heartwarming before this event today and I think really kind of steeled me a little bit for dealing 03:36:29.364 --> 03:36:34.635 - with some incredible cynicism in our community about the state of affairs with the person's experience 03:36:34.635 --> 03:36:39.804 - in homelessness and making it a political issue when it really is a human issue. And so thanks again 03:36:39.804 --> 03:36:44.922 - for Beacon and the hard work and all the people who have put in hard work to get that place shovels 03:36:44.922 --> 03:36:50.091 - in the ground and getting us on our way to solving some serious problems in our community. But thank 03:36:50.091 --> 03:36:51.166 - you Madam President. 03:36:51.586 --> 03:36:57.782 - Thank you, and I appreciate that, and thanks to all the hard work that's there. It's easy to make a 03:36:57.782 --> 03:37:04.102 - comment on things that you're seeing, but it's also even better when you kind of come off, instead of 03:37:04.102 --> 03:37:10.360 - being keyboard justice warriors and actually work with the folks at Beacon and other people that are 03:37:10.360 --> 03:37:16.928 - trying to have solvable solutions instead of putting people out in their deepest, darkest moments. That's 03:37:16.928 --> 03:37:20.894 - what I'll say to that. The other thing that I wanted to say is, 03:37:21.154 --> 03:37:28.701 - I've been a lot into our community with a lot of different things. And yesterday, it brought me great 03:37:28.701 --> 03:37:36.100 - pride to go talk to some students at Indiana University, while we still can, and have a really good 03:37:36.100 --> 03:37:43.647 - civic conversation related to all the different things that are happening, and to get people open and 03:37:43.647 --> 03:37:51.120 - engaged. And so as a result of that, there were a couple of students that were online via Teams, and 03:37:51.120 --> 03:37:58.278 - one in particular that showed up in person. And it's interesting because in the conversation, they are 03:37:58.278 --> 03:38:05.714 - very much eager and excited and want to be involved. They just don't know how. And I hope that any student 03:38:05.714 --> 03:38:12.802 - that will watch this back, or the student, Kennedy, that was here earlier today, I just thank you all 03:38:12.802 --> 03:38:20.238 - so much for really actually taking the task, what I had said yesterday in our conversation, and continuing 03:38:20.238 --> 03:38:21.072 - to actually 03:38:21.072 --> 03:38:27.507 - show up in community. And I would be remiss to say I wish when I was a student and I graduated from 03:38:27.507 --> 03:38:34.072 - this institution 20 plus years ago, that I would have got involved so much more in our community. But 03:38:34.072 --> 03:38:41.022 - I was so busy and so focused on trying to graduate and not go back home to the great city of Gary, Indiana. 03:38:41.730 --> 03:38:48.801 - So Bloomington and Monroe County, y'all got me for a while. So yes, so I appreciate that. And then the 03:38:48.801 --> 03:38:55.734 - New Marshall Black Cultural Center had a pin-in ceremony. And that was really interesting to see the 03:38:55.734 --> 03:39:02.805 - first-year students be involved. And so it was nice to actually, again, be involved and engaged in the 03:39:02.805 --> 03:39:10.494 - community that we serve. And I'll just say thank you to Dr. Gloria Howell for inviting me to be a part of that. 03:39:10.914 --> 03:39:17.838 - The last thing that I will say is, speaking of positivity and a lot of work and solutions that will 03:39:17.838 --> 03:39:24.831 - be done, I look to all seven of us, one that isn't here and the one that is virtual, Councilor Haug, 03:39:24.831 --> 03:39:32.170 - to say thank you for the continued work. It is not easy. Again, as I mentioned before, this is the fourth 03:39:32.170 --> 03:39:39.232 - budget, I believe, that I've gone through, and this by far is one of the hardest ones to date, and it 03:39:39.232 --> 03:39:40.894 - sounds like we got some 03:39:41.314 --> 03:39:48.901 - More harder days that will come ahead. But for the work that we have done so far, I just wanted to say 03:39:48.901 --> 03:39:56.931 - to my colleagues, thank you. I also wanted to say thank you so much to the auditor's office, Ms. Turner-King 03:39:56.931 --> 03:40:02.750 - and our council staff for working tirelessly, definitely tirelessly to show up 03:40:03.010 --> 03:40:10.401 - smile when you don't really want to, and continue to keep coming to work and listening to all the things 03:40:10.401 --> 03:40:17.439 - that we request of y'all. I know it's a lot, and this too shall pass, and I look forward to getting 03:40:17.439 --> 03:40:24.126 - on the other side of this budget. So we still got some work to do, but the marathon continues. 03:40:24.738 --> 03:40:35.102 - And with that being said, as I am so kindly reminded, thanks, hashtag Iverson. We are adjourned, thank you.