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- Thank you again. All right. Good evening, everybody. And welcome. After some time off, we are back in

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- the historic NatU Hill room. Today is Tuesday, June 23rd, 2026. The time is now 504, and we will go

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- ahead and get started with our county council meeting. Here in the room,

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- We have all seven council members present, so we definitely have a quorum, and we will go ahead and

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- get started. So all those that are available, please stand so we can recite our Pledge of Allegiance.

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- Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands,

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- one nation under God,

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- Okay, thank you very much. Do we have anybody that would like to make some changes to tonight's agenda?

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- Yes, counselor.

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- Madam President and Council, I have two changes. Council, the recorder has requested that their request

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- for an additional appropriation to be tabled to the next council meeting. I move to table the recorder's

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- item 9A to the July 14th council meeting. And the clerk's chief deputy has requested that their additional

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- appropriation requests be pulled from the agenda as they will utilize current appropriations. Council,

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- I move to table indefinitely the clerk's items 9D, 9E,

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- and nine F second. Okay. We got a motion in a second to amend tonight's agenda. Are there any other

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- further questions or comments or any changes for our agenda? All right. Seeing none. And because we

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- all are in person, um, we can do a voice vote. So all those in favor of amending or approving tonight's

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- agenda as amended signify by saying aye. Aye. All opposed. Same sign. Okay.

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- motion carries. Next up, we will have public comment. So if there is public comment that is here in

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- the NETU Hill Room that would like to make comment on items that are not on tonight's agenda, you can

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- come up to the lectern here in the room, state your name for the record, and you'll have up to three

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- minutes. And if you are participating virtually, please raise your hand via Teams, and we will call

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- on you. So it looks like we already have a familiar face here.

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- And we'll give you a few minutes again, state your name for the record and you'll have up to three minutes.

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- Hello, my name is Kaden Smith. I would say good evening, but it's not a good evening due to the actions

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- or rather lack thereof of the board of commissioners. We were all aware of their absence at both the

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- jail working group as well as their declined

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- their declining invite at the attempt of a first jail subcommittee meeting that was not able to happen

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- because we didn't have quorum. I think it's important to state that when we have all these different

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- people that will come to the council and say, this is what I want you to do, or when they sign into

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- a letter saying, this is what I want you to do, if the council says no, which is the council's right,

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- then none of these people want to state collaboratively. We had the mayor sign onto the letter. She doesn't.

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- She didn't have herself or anybody else there. The sheriff was gung-ho, I need this jail. And I think

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- the council's all in agreement that we need a jail. But if the council says no to this, it's not that

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- we're not saying no to a jail. We're saying yes to something. And that's just a different location.

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- And I just struggle that I don't think the sheriff understands that.

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- And I'm also concerned with the Board of Commissioners. If they have a weekly meeting on Thursday, then

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- I don't understand. I saw Commissioner Maduro posted online that they need two commissioners present

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- in the room and able to appoint somebody to this committee if they so choose so, which if that's accurate,

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- I just don't know how you consecutively have multiple meetings in a row where two of your three members

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- are not physically present in the room.

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- I find that very concerning that our publicly elected officials are not at their meetings. However,

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- beyond the sad parts, I would like to make a few quick thank yous, believe it or not. First, to Councilor

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- Feidl, because she did show up to the subcommittee

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- meeting and stepped forward because I think that jail can be a really positive thing and can be something

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- that we are really successful at. However, I think there's often a time that you need to step aside

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- and if you realize that you can't do the project, I'm looking at the board of commissioners right now,

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- then it is time to either respectfully resign because you were elected for a four year term and if you

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- can't consecutively

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- make meetings or effectively legislate, then it's better to resign at the top of your game. We've all

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- seen sports players that will continue their career when it's just going downhill. And while I respect

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- and appreciate the service of all of the board of commissioners members, I think it's appropriate to

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- know when to step aside. Finally, as counsel, I urge you to just try and work collaboratively. It's

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- hard out there, but I think the council is one of the few

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- that's in the county that wants to work for the people, and I urge them to do their best when others

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- aren't coming to the table. Thanks. Thank you. All right. Is there anybody else that is in the room

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- that would like to make a comment on items not on tonight's agenda, or if you are participating virtually? Seeing

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- take a point of privilege, Council, just for a few seconds to address the public comment there. And

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- the only thing that I will say is, from my understanding, reading the B Square and listening to you,

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- Councilor Feidl, there was no quorum because our body of the subcommittee is actually too big, which

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- is actually something that we'll be working on this evening. But I think the reason why the commissioners

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- could not officially appoint

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- a person for them is because they didn't have a meeting and won't have one until next Thursday,

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- July 2nd. Is that correct? That's correct. They had previously canceled the meeting before the working

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- subgroup had been formed. So their first opportunity to meet and appoint someone is July 2nd. OK. OK.

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- Now, I definitely will say it was a little disappointing not to have Quorum. But I just want to be fair.

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- Their reason is not so much that they didn't want

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- to participate because I believe Commissioner Madeira was in that room, but they just haven't had a

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- meeting to appoint anybody. So I just wanted to take a point of privilege there. So next up, since we

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- don't have any other public comment, we will move for department updates. And so department updates

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- are for items that are not on the agenda. So is there any departments that are present that would like

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- to give a 10 minute, no more than 10 minute,

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- presentation on items not on the agenda, whether you are here in person or virtually via teams. Okay,

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- see none. And the other thing that I will say to just kind of keep this show going because we use all

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- of the alphabets for tonight's agenda since we have a jam packed one is

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- I can just ask my council colleagues to help us get through this in departments as well as you are presenting

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- to as you will keep those briefs so we can keep it moving here. So next up is item number six which

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- is the consent agenda items. Council I'll be reading four items. I move to approve the following consent

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- agenda items for June the 23rd.

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- The Youth Service Bureau's request and fund 9137-0000 Bloomington Afterschool Network to create account

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- line 20210 program supplies. B. The Youth Service Bureau's request and fund 9139-0000 Monroe County

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- Youth Council to create account line 20210 program supplies. C.

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- The highway department's request in fund 1173-0000 motor vehicle highway restricted for a category transfer

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- of $40,000 from the supplies category to the services category. And lastly D, the highway department's

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- request in fund 1197-0000 stormwater management for a category transfer of $50,000 from the services

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- category to the supplies category.

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- All right, we got a motion and a second. Is there any further discussion from council on this item?

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- And seeing none, don't usually take public comment on consent agenda items. So all those in favor of

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- approving consent agenda items as presented signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed, same sign.

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- Okay, motion carries.

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- Next up, we will start with a series of hiring freeze reviews and we will start with the highway department.

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- Council, I move to open for discussion and possible approval of the highway department's request to

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- be exempt from the hiring freeze and be allowed to hire and fund 1176-0000 motor vehicle highway one

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- full time mechanic. Second. Okay. We got a motion and a second and we are joined here by Ms. Lisa Ridge. Welcome.

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- Good evening. So we had a mechanic that's going to go back to being an equipment operator. He used to

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- install water lines, wants to keep up his certification. So he's gonna leave, I believe his last date

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- is next Monday. So we wanted to request to fill that position. Thank you. Any questions or comments

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- on this item?

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- Yes, Councilor Henry. Thank you, Madam President. Thank you, Lisa, for being here. I wanted to just

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- ask a question about the fund, I mean, motor vehicle highway, because where you're drawing from and

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- that that fund is funded by gas tax receipts in the state, right? Correct. Do you have any feeling right

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- now, given that the gas tax has been suspended for two months in the state, what that might be doing

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- to your budget for the remainder of the year at this point?

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- not at this point. We've worked with AIC actually, and I believe Judy Sharp had forwarded a letter that

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- AIC had sent to Governor Braun's office. We did watch the press conference that he said that he would

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- make the counties whole and replace those funds that would be lost during that suspension. So we're

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- relying that that is going to be the case.

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- that we will replenish those funds. We did look at it, and we do have a cash balance. That's why we've

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- always kept the cash balance that we have if we have a couple difficult months. Looking at our numbers

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- right now, we're still pretty even to what our distributions have been, but it runs a couple months

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- behind, of course. So if we need to do a little bit into our cash, then we will. We're just trying to

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- maintain and move forward.

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- I'm thinking ahead a little. I don't know what August or September is going to look like, but just trying

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- to get it out there. I appreciate you looking ahead on it, too. Thank you. Anybody else? Yes, Councillor

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- Decker. I just had a quick clarifying question. Is that is a fund that whatever is collected this month

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- you see down the road maybe a couple months, a few months? Yeah, the distributions and it's a really

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- big calculation if you want to look into how they calculate your

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- your monthly distributions and all the different pots of money where gasoline tax and goes in the throughout

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- the state. When I reached out to our association when they did the first month of calculations, they

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- estimated across the state that the counties would lose about three million. So that was across the

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- state of Indiana. So we were averaging that we were looking at, you know, three million divided by the

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- 92 counties.

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- as an average for the first month. I have not seen the new numbers for the second month because they

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- included the other tax into that. Anybody else have any other? Yes, counselor. Yes, to be clear,

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- this number, the numbers are sent to us from the state. So there's really little we can do other than

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- to contact the state to say,

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- you know, help us out with revenue to cover what you have cut. But this is not up to the auditor. She

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- just takes the numbers. The highway department takes the numbers. And to be clear, the highway does

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- not spin into the red. So they're looking at the numbers, and we can rely that they will have to make

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- adjustments, and they will. Anybody else? Oh, yes. Ms. Brown.

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- Yes, I had the privilege of speaking with Fred Van Dorp from the Auditor of State, formerly with the

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- DLGF. So he walked me through and explained there's about 23 different taxes that make up the motor

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- vehicle highway and local road and street distribution. So they're still working to get better numbers,

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- as Ms. Ridge said. However, we're going to see the decline in August and September most heavily because

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- of that delay.

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- What I've been told is that our distribution could be cut in half, essentially. However, I've been told

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- the same, that they're already in talks to make counties whole. It's just when that occurs. So we do

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- think that the revenue will be replaced. It's just when. Thank you for that. Anybody else on this matter?

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- Seeing none, we'll go to public comment.

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- If there's public comment on this item, you can raise your hand via Teams or come forward to the lectern

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- here in the room. And seeing none, maybe please have a roll call vote. Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor

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- Feinberg? Yes. Councilor Hawk? Yes. Councilor Wilts? Yes. Councilor Henry? Yes. Councilor Decker? Yes.

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- Yes. Motion passes unanimous. Thank you. Thank you. Next up, we have some items from the Youth Services

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- Bureau. Council, I move to open for discussion and possible approval of the Youth Service Bureau's request

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- to be exempt from the hiring freeze and be allowed to transfer employees and fund 1114-0166 lit special

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- purpose YSB into the following full-time positions, director, deputy director, and program director.

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- What did I say? Program coordinator. I'm sorry. I meant program coordinator. Thank you. All right. We

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- got a motion and a second and we are joined by the great people of the Youth Services Bureau. Good evening.

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- It's time for me to retire. I told you last September I would not come to another budget hearing so

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- I got to get out of here quickly.

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- I hope to retire by August 21st and have Vanessa Schmidt take over that position. We're asking for that

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- to happen as of Monday that you develop a training line item so that I can overlap with her. She needs

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- the title of executive director for us to transfer federal grants, lots of federal logins.

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- for our licensure. There are just a whole bunch of administrative things that when she has the title,

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- she can do that. And so I need to be in a training line item in order to facilitate that to go smoothly

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- so we don't have any hiccups with all of that. Then once I'm gone, we are asking to promote Sarah Jamieson

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- to the deputy director position and Emily Arthur to the program coordinator position. That would then allow the

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- development and training position to remain vacant under the hiring freeze for the remainder of the

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- year until the hiring freeze is lifted or unless we felt it was deemed necessary to come back and ask

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- to fill that position. One of the things would give us about a 40-day overlap in terms of in time to

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- get those things done, the administrative transfers. The most exciting news is that that will

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- If these things happen because of the difference in our seniority and longevity of both the Deputy Director

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- and Vanessa and I, it would save you $29,000 in salaries, $11,000 in benefits for a total of about $40,000

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- between now and end of the year. So it won't cost anything. We can transfer money from the Deputy Director

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- position and the empty

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- training and development position to cover the line item for me for those 40 days. So what do you think?

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- Well, we think that you have done a great job and we applaud your efforts and hopefully your wish comes true.

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- by the 21st or else we'll look at you in September. So we thank you so much for that. I'm going to say

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- to all of you, don't wait till you're 72 to retire. I waited too long, I think, but I'm ready. Good

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- word of advice. I want to thank all of you, too. The council has supported the Youth Services Bureau

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- forever. And what you do through us, I think, and other things that you do, the families of Monroe County

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- are really supported in their children.

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- We were told by the federal people who came to audit us, and it was quite an extensive two-day audit,

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- by the way, of every aspect of Youth Services Bureau. They were fascinated at the unified support for

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- families and children in this county across agencies, across departments, across government, and they

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- have not seen that anywhere, and they really thought that we should be something that they could promote

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- federally and nationally, and I said,

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- go ahead, tell them, because it's true. We've done that as a county for decades. And I wanna thank you

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- for continuing that. Thank you so much. Does anybody have any questions or comments? I see Councilor

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- Hawke has her hand up. Yes, we had been receiving an update on the population count, how many from the

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- county, how many from other counties, that for some reason perhaps you were,

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- involved with other things, but I think it would be very helpful if we could see that, what we're doing.

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- Do you know what the population is today? We actually just have one resident today. We just have one

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- resident currently. We had a few exits over the weekend, so we actually just have one resident. Okay,

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- right now you just have one, but your average is? Yeah, usually about seven to nine kiddos.

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- reading what you're saying. I'm not ignoring you. I'm just reading it. Okay. If you could send us an

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- update on that, I think that'd be very helpful because we do have to recognize that all the children

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- there are not from Monroe County. However, many of them that are placed there from not just Monroe County,

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- but other counties, we receive a reimbursement from the state and that

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- ends up being quite a bit of operating money for them, which we used to keep that set aside. And that

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- was the money that we used to do some major upgrades there at the building. But a couple of years ago

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- or so, we pulled that money back and that is now sitting in one of the funds that is the revenue goes

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- into the county general fund. So they are helping to support their own

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- That is correct, and we should bring in about a million dollars this year. At least. I didn't want to

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- get this amount, but I thought it was a little more than a million. It will be a little more. I just

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- like to underestimate. And every year a contract is signed with the state saying how much each night

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- would be. So I just wanted to make sure that the public understands that, because many times they'll

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- say, they believe that we're supporting the other counties, and we are.

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- I think we are, but we do get some of that money back. That's correct. Other questions or comments on

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- this? All right, seeing none, we'll go ahead and move to public comment. Raise your hand via Teams or

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- you can come forward to the microphone here in the room. And seeing none, maybe please have a roll call vote.

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- Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

00:22:50.524 --> 00:22:59.550
- Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

00:22:59.714 --> 00:23:06.357
- and simultaneously amend the 2026 salary ordinance to have the account line in order to allow for a

00:23:06.357 --> 00:23:13.000
- period of training of the YSB director position. Second. All right. We've got a motion in a second.

00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:19.178
- What would you like to add to this one? That just allows you to pay me for the 40 days while

00:23:19.178 --> 00:23:25.821
- we're overlapping and in the $40,000 savings that was included in there. And we've seen this happen

00:23:25.821 --> 00:23:28.478
- before through other departments. Okay.

00:23:28.962 --> 00:23:36.631
- Any other questions or comments on this item? Seems clear. All right. Seeing none, we'll move on to

00:23:36.631 --> 00:23:44.607
- public comment. If there's public comment, raise your hand via Teams or come forward to the podium here

00:23:44.607 --> 00:23:52.582
- in the room. And seeing none, maybe please have a roll call vote. Councilor Hawk. Yes. Councilor Wilts.

00:23:52.582 --> 00:23:58.334
- Yes. Councilor Henry. Yes. Councilor Decker. Yes. Councilor Crossley. Yes.

00:23:58.466 --> 00:24:06.700
- Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor Feidl? Yes. Motion passes unanimous. Thank you very much. Thank you.

00:24:06.700 --> 00:24:14.693
- All right. Next, we will move into our presentations and discussions. I'm going to ask TSD, are you

00:24:14.693 --> 00:24:23.806
- able to monitor that's in front of Councilor Haug? Can we get the closed captions turned on that monitor, please?

00:24:24.834 --> 00:24:36.606
- In the meantime, I will welcome Jamie Boesler, which. Oh, I see. Yes, OK.

00:24:37.058 --> 00:24:44.143
- All right, if you wanna go ahead and come to the table here, she is the Director of Government Affairs

00:24:44.143 --> 00:24:51.022
- with the Association of Indiana County Council, which is also known to us as AIC. And she will give

00:24:51.022 --> 00:24:58.107
- us an update on the property tax levies and the new locum tax mechanisms for our counties. So welcome.

00:24:58.107 --> 00:25:05.054
- Thank you. If you don't mind giving me just a second to make sure I'm hooked up so that I can speak.

00:25:05.634 --> 00:25:21.822
- present accordingly to your on your teams.

00:25:35.490 --> 00:25:36.606
- be able to present.

00:26:46.242 --> 00:27:15.422
- this audio. Should be able to share your screen now.

00:27:27.522 --> 00:27:34.052
- can see that a little bit okay I'm happy to share it with you afterwards as well well thank you for

00:27:34.052 --> 00:27:40.713
- asking me to join this evening I don't normally come and present live in front of a council so you're

00:27:40.713 --> 00:27:47.243
- my first more so usually through our district meetings we've had a lot of virtual meetings recently

00:27:47.243 --> 00:27:53.774
- hopefully some of you've been able to participate we've done several recordings I said by this time

00:27:53.774 --> 00:27:56.190
- in the process that there's probably

00:27:56.354 --> 00:28:02.671
- possibly some people are tired of hearing from me, but I was asked to come and I am happy to be here.

00:28:02.671 --> 00:28:09.175
- So thank you for inviting me. My name is Jamie Bolser and I'm the current Director of Government Affairs

00:28:09.175 --> 00:28:15.368
- with the Association of Indiana Counties. Just a little bit of a brief background on myself. I come

00:28:15.368 --> 00:28:19.518
- most recently from the Department of Local Government and Finance.

00:28:19.586 --> 00:28:25.726
- where I was the chief of staff and deputy commissioner. And prior to that, I was a budget director at

00:28:25.726 --> 00:28:32.107
- the department. And before that, I spent 10 years as the chief financial officer at two school districts.

00:28:32.107 --> 00:28:38.608
- I was a former county assessor and county council president. So I've sat in your seats before and certainly

00:28:38.608 --> 00:28:44.808
- respect the work that you guys do and understand some of the challenges that you have in front of you.

00:28:44.808 --> 00:28:45.470
- With that,

00:28:45.602 --> 00:28:53.060
- This is overall pretty much the same presentation that I provided to our County Council Association

00:28:53.060 --> 00:28:58.430
- last week. I don't know if any of you guys were in attendance for that.

00:28:58.498 --> 00:29:04.908
- Thank you for joining So I just wanted to start by unpacking a little bit of some of the legislative

00:29:04.908 --> 00:29:11.699
- chain Changes that have occurred whether it be within the property tax reform let reform the must overview

00:29:11.699 --> 00:29:18.110
- that I'm sure you've heard a lot about And then also present to you the interactive portal which all

00:29:18.110 --> 00:29:24.837
- access to that has been released to the county auditors over the weekend and so that should all be active

00:29:24.837 --> 00:29:25.726
- currently and

00:29:25.922 --> 00:29:33.595
- So with that said, just jumping right in to the some of the Senate and World Act one changes. It phase

00:29:33.595 --> 00:29:41.269
- out the Homestead standard deduction and you can see hopefully from this screen that phase out for pay

00:29:41.269 --> 00:29:48.793
- 26, which is this year. The standard deduction is 48,000 and you will see that slowly diminish until

00:29:48.793 --> 00:29:51.550
- it phases completely out for pay 31.

00:29:51.906 --> 00:29:58.821
- which is the 2030 assessment date. What I will say is homestead deductions as a flat amount, which is

00:29:58.821 --> 00:30:05.600
- where we are currently, but we're phasing away from, homesteads as a flat amount is more beneficial

00:30:05.600 --> 00:30:12.379
- to the lower assessed value. The reason that's the case is because sometimes it can exceed a higher

00:30:12.379 --> 00:30:15.294
- percentage of a lower assessed value home.

00:30:16.770 --> 00:30:23.078
- the flat amount doesn't however on the other side the flat amount does not keep up with assessed value

00:30:23.078 --> 00:30:28.958
- increases and it doesn't fluctuate as that assessed value increases or decreases with that said

00:30:29.314 --> 00:30:36.384
- And I want to point out that Senate rule act one from the 2025 session also phases in an increase to

00:30:36.384 --> 00:30:43.664
- the homestead supplemental deduction. Again, it's a deduction, which means any time anything's deducted

00:30:43.664 --> 00:30:50.174
- or exempted, it shifts that tax base. It shifts that burden around to other property owners.

00:30:50.466 --> 00:30:58.790
- This will phase in this year. It's 40% uniquely last year. It was 37 and a half percent. So it did tick

00:30:58.790 --> 00:31:06.873
- up a little bit for this tax billing cycle for pay 26. However, you can see it will phase completely

00:31:06.873 --> 00:31:14.876
- in and pay 31 to two thirds. So every Homestead eligible and Homestead applied property will be two

00:31:14.876 --> 00:31:18.718
- thirds deducted once this completely phases in.

00:31:18.818 --> 00:31:28.096
- Again, the benefit by switching to the percent of the AV is it keeps up with those fluctuations as that

00:31:28.096 --> 00:31:31.486
- assessed value changes over the time.

00:31:31.586 --> 00:31:38.230
- again, those deductions to change. However, you have to be, you have to keep notice that it does have

00:31:38.230 --> 00:31:44.873
- a unique disproportionate impact to higher assessed valued homes. And let's just jump right into that

00:31:44.873 --> 00:31:51.582
- to show you how that changes. This may be a little bit harder to see, but what you can see at the top,

00:31:51.582 --> 00:31:58.421
- the top box, you can see new calculation that's assuming the new statutory changes in effect and showing

00:31:58.421 --> 00:32:00.766
- you how it would impact a tax bill.

00:32:00.834 --> 00:32:10.533
- The bottom section is that old calculation. You can see the column that says 24 pay 25. We have an assumed

00:32:10.533 --> 00:32:15.518
- assessed value at the statewide average AV of 250,000.

00:32:15.586 --> 00:32:22.466
- You can see that that standard homestead is applied of $48,000. And then you can see that the 37.5%

00:32:22.466 --> 00:32:29.483
- supplemental is applied. So basically, all I'm doing is just taking you down and stepping you through

00:32:29.483 --> 00:32:35.262
- that property tax calculation order of operations. And then moving forward to 2018.

00:32:35.458 --> 00:32:43.995
- You can see that I've implemented the new 48,000. We've implemented the new 40% supplemental. We also

00:32:43.995 --> 00:32:52.699
- did assume a 7% increase in gross assessed value. That's a statewide average. That's why I applied that

00:32:52.699 --> 00:32:54.206
- and assumed that.

00:32:54.402 --> 00:33:01.980
- And you can see all the way to the right is the 2030 pay 2031. There is a compound assumption of a 5%

00:33:01.980 --> 00:33:09.410
- growth factor in that assessed value. However, you can also see where we have phased that homestead

00:33:09.410 --> 00:33:16.542
- standard down to zero. And then we have the full implementation of that homestead supplemental.

00:33:16.642 --> 00:33:24.452
- deduction. And again, that new top that portion up there, you can see that the overall tax liability

00:33:24.452 --> 00:33:26.462
- for this property is 33%.

00:33:26.754 --> 00:33:34.410
- of the gross assessed value. However, if you look down, you can see under the old calculation, it would

00:33:34.410 --> 00:33:41.771
- have been 52%. So you can kind of see where it's stepping in year over year and the overall thought

00:33:41.771 --> 00:33:49.207
- of how it will start to diminish the overall tax burden for homestead properties. And the plus minus

00:33:49.207 --> 00:33:54.654
- is a 17% differential from where it would have been as it phases through.

00:33:55.266 --> 00:34:02.164
- Taking that forward, all I did here was just show the lower impact, and then the next slide is a higher,

00:34:02.164 --> 00:34:08.733
- I'm sorry, a lower assessed value impact, where the next slide then is a higher assessed value. And

00:34:08.733 --> 00:34:15.434
- you can see from just the average to the lower side of the assessed value, this is just an assumed AV

00:34:15.434 --> 00:34:16.222
- of 100,000.

00:34:16.386 --> 00:34:24.958
- It benefits while it still is beneficial from the old calculation to the new calculation. It's not as

00:34:24.958 --> 00:34:33.445
- staggering as a middle of the road assessed value. This would have a 1% overall tax burden where the

00:34:33.445 --> 00:34:35.966
- other one had a 17% decrease.

00:34:36.098 --> 00:34:43.486
- And then moving forward to the higher assessed value of a $600,000 home, you can see it has a higher

00:34:43.486 --> 00:34:50.946
- benefit. Again, that's because you're not just applying more of a flat deduction, but you're applying

00:34:50.946 --> 00:34:54.238
- the deduction based off of percent of value.

00:34:56.738 --> 00:35:03.945
- Senate Enrolled Act 1 also created and phases an increase. This is called the 2% circuit breaker deduction.

00:35:03.945 --> 00:35:10.751
- There's a lot of similar words that the state has used. When you're applying a credit or a deduction,

00:35:10.751 --> 00:35:17.491
- you can see there's a homestead standard deduction. There's a homestead supplemental deduction. Now,

00:35:17.491 --> 00:35:23.230
- there's a 2% circuit breaker deduction. What that means is it's assessed value that's

00:35:23.394 --> 00:35:32.478
- captured in that 2% circuit breaker category. That is residential property that's non homestead rentals.

00:35:32.674 --> 00:35:38.997
- which I think you have probably quite a few of those here in Monroe County. It would also capture and

00:35:38.997 --> 00:35:45.196
- include apartment complexes, agricultural land. There are some rural communities that this impacted

00:35:45.196 --> 00:35:51.705
- quite significantly different because of the amount of ag land disproportionate to other property types.

00:35:51.705 --> 00:35:58.462
- But you can see that this will phase in. So the homesteads, those are considered a 1% circuit breaker bucket

00:35:58.754 --> 00:36:07.208
- right, there'll be two thirds deducted of that liability by pay 31. The two percenters, again, apartments,

00:36:07.208 --> 00:36:15.425
- agricultural land, residential non-homesteads, it will phase an up to one third deducted. Again, I will

00:36:15.425 --> 00:36:23.484
- also add that any time a deduction or exemption is applied, it shifts that tax burden, right, because

00:36:23.484 --> 00:36:27.198
- it changes the overall property tax liability.

00:36:27.426 --> 00:36:34.375
- uniquely as we begin talking about credits, that's a dollar for dollar deduction or credit to the tax

00:36:34.375 --> 00:36:41.392
- bill. So it's two lenses, right? As a homeowner, it's a dollar for dollar credit off of their tax bill

00:36:41.392 --> 00:36:48.750
- when you're talking about credits. However, as a unit of government, it's a dollar for dollar proportionate

00:36:48.750 --> 00:36:51.134
- loss as those credits are applied.

00:36:53.346 --> 00:37:00.455
- Enrolled Act 1 of the 25 session, and also it was touched in House Enrolled Act 1210 from this past

00:37:00.455 --> 00:37:07.636
- year's session, converts deductions to credits. So again, deductions, you can shift that over to the

00:37:07.636 --> 00:37:14.958
- other underlying property types. However, credit is a dollar for dollar loss for the, or credit to the

00:37:14.958 --> 00:37:21.854
- property owner. However, it's a dollar for dollar proportionate loss to the units of government.

00:37:22.018 --> 00:37:28.545
- And you can see here, and I won't go into all of them unless you have credits, but you can see here

00:37:28.545 --> 00:37:35.268
- which deductions were converted over to credits and what those end up being is they're considered like

00:37:35.268 --> 00:37:42.122
- a circuit breaker now, right? You have the constitutional circuit breaker caps and these are now applied

00:37:42.122 --> 00:37:44.798
- as like a separate circuit breaker type.

00:37:47.266 --> 00:37:56.514
- And House Enrolled Act 1 of the 25 and House Enrolled Act 1427 also began to touch business personal

00:37:56.514 --> 00:38:05.946
- property. It increases the personal property tax exemption from $80,000 to $2 million. That begins for

00:38:05.946 --> 00:38:11.806
- 26-Pay 27. And it also changes the 30% minimum valuation floor.

00:38:12.130 --> 00:38:24.335
- personal property can now go below the 30% of that value. The thought behind this was 90% of the personal

00:38:24.335 --> 00:38:33.662
- property filers are 2 million or below. However, 90% of the total assessed value

00:38:33.890 --> 00:38:41.629
- is above two million. So if you think about it in form of small business filing compared to large industrial,

00:38:41.629 --> 00:38:49.158
- the state's philosophy when adopting this was we're going to still capture the largest portion of assessed

00:38:49.158 --> 00:38:56.194
- value personal property filing. In my hometown, it'd be like your Chryslers or your General Motors,

00:38:56.194 --> 00:39:02.526
- right, your industrial. However, the majority of the amount of filers are now going to be

00:39:03.298 --> 00:39:10.847
- exempt from having to file. But the majority of that value, they said, will remain. This slide here

00:39:10.847 --> 00:39:18.774
- is important because, again, you have to know the order of operations. Property taxes are a large sector

00:39:18.774 --> 00:39:26.550
- of your overall revenue stream between property taxes and local income taxes. So, again, by exemptions

00:39:26.550 --> 00:39:33.118
- and deductions, that shifts the overall burden of that tax. However, once you get into

00:39:33.282 --> 00:39:41.779
- the circuit breakers and everything below that. That's a credit dollar for dollar to the home or to

00:39:41.779 --> 00:39:50.275
- the property owner. And it's a proportional loss to all the underlying units. I do want to touch on

00:39:50.275 --> 00:39:58.942
- House Enrolled Act 1499 from the 2023 session and then Senate Enrolled Act one from the 2025 session.

00:39:59.234 --> 00:40:07.332
- It put a cap on the maximum levy growth quotient. So this wasn't new with Senate Enrolled Act 1. It

00:40:07.332 --> 00:40:15.917
- actually started for pay 24. Pay 25 was this way, where it was capped at 4%. Senate Enrolled Act 1 simply

00:40:15.917 --> 00:40:23.934
- extended it to pay 26. So it basically allowed local units to increase their maximum levies by 4%.

00:40:24.130 --> 00:40:33.111
- However, you can see what it would have otherwise been had that not been capped. Pay 24 would have been

00:40:33.111 --> 00:40:39.070
- at 5%, pay 25 at a 5.5%, and pay 26 at 6%. I will say going forward,

00:40:39.298 --> 00:40:47.049
- That was not extended. So for pay 27 right now, the way it stands, it was originally estimated to be

00:40:47.049 --> 00:40:54.494
- about 5.7. I think it's leaning closer to 6% right now. So that cap is being removed for pay 27.

00:40:59.394 --> 00:41:06.920
- I won't spend a whole lot of time on this. However, on these next couple slides, I want you to have

00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:14.596
- them for your reference. And there's always just small provisions. And sometimes the smallest wording

00:41:14.596 --> 00:41:22.121
- within a bill could have a large impact, right? So House Enrolled Act 1392 allowed more flexibility

00:41:22.121 --> 00:41:28.894
- for financial institution tax, or FIT tax, and commercial vehicle excise tax, receive it.

00:41:29.154 --> 00:41:37.778
- So basically, you could use it for any legal fund and use. However, this last session, it did extend

00:41:37.778 --> 00:41:46.658
- that to excise tax. Well, the difference between excise tax, and your auditor can probably confirm this

00:41:46.658 --> 00:41:55.196
- as well, and fit and sieve it, fit and sieve it are minimal in comparison to excise tax. Excise tax

00:41:55.196 --> 00:41:58.014
- is a lot larger base of revenue,

00:41:58.146 --> 00:42:05.269
- So by right now the state tells you how you are to allocate those funds It says excise you

00:42:05.269 --> 00:42:13.567
- have to proportionally place it in your general fund in your debt funds And it does the same for schools.

00:42:13.567 --> 00:42:21.395
- It does the same for municipalities Well schools capture a large portion of the state's debt eighty

00:42:21.395 --> 00:42:22.334
- six percent

00:42:22.466 --> 00:42:29.884
- of the overall state's debt that's paid out of property taxes is assigned to schools. So if schools

00:42:29.884 --> 00:42:37.302
- no longer have to receipt that high amount for excise and they can move it to any other legal fund,

00:42:37.302 --> 00:42:44.720
- which would be their operations fund, there is another statute that says, well, wait a second, debt

00:42:44.720 --> 00:42:52.286
- has to be funded. So it will inflate that debt levy. And what you could see is increase a higher levy

00:42:52.386 --> 00:42:58.925
- means a higher tax rate. A higher tax rate means more property taxes due, right? But it also means the

00:42:58.925 --> 00:43:05.401
- underlying units of government are going to experience more circuit breaker loss. So I say that to be

00:43:05.401 --> 00:43:12.638
- very mindful. We're all tied in this together, right? Every unit impacts another unit because of circuit breaker.

00:43:12.802 --> 00:43:20.057
- And the more we're extending some of those circuit breaker credits, the more impact that that could

00:43:20.057 --> 00:43:27.458
- have potentially on your guys' budget as well. These next couple slides, what they're basically doing

00:43:27.458 --> 00:43:34.786
- is just showing you that. In a real time example, Avon Schools, for example, has all of those bonds.

00:43:34.786 --> 00:43:42.622
- And this is just showing you what that impact or that inflation amount could be if they shifted that excise

00:43:42.850 --> 00:43:51.859
- away from their debt funds in order to collect more on their debt funds. So that's what those slides

00:43:51.859 --> 00:44:00.868
- are. I won't spend much more time there. However, this one, you can see that the debt and referendum

00:44:00.868 --> 00:44:05.150
- levies, again, 86, oh, I'm sorry, 88.6%, 88.6%.

00:44:05.378 --> 00:44:13.941
- of the 2026 certified levies for debt and referendums came from schools. You can see by the charts that

00:44:13.941 --> 00:44:22.257
- counties overall have a very small portion of 2%. So counties by and large by the unit of government

00:44:22.257 --> 00:44:30.574
- throughout the state and Monroe County is no different, has very little debt in comparison. Counties

00:44:30.574 --> 00:44:34.526
- overall decreased their debt levies 2.6 million

00:44:34.754 --> 00:44:43.085
- Cities and towns statewide, and this is based off of debt that's funded by property tax revenue. Okay.

00:44:43.085 --> 00:44:51.902
- Cities and towns decreased their debt by 20 or 20% or 39.9 million. However, if you look at the school line,

00:44:52.450 --> 00:45:00.782
- schools increased statewide their debt 171.7 million dollars again that's protected from circuit breaker

00:45:00.782 --> 00:45:09.035
- loss and you may be asking why why are you sharing this with us Jamie how what does what does it matter

00:45:09.035 --> 00:45:17.367
- well it does right because as we're looking at impacts of senate ruled act one or local driven decisions

00:45:17.367 --> 00:45:20.382
- these all play an impact to what your

00:45:20.642 --> 00:45:28.330
- net revenue collections are. Because if schools are increasing their levies, and in this case, $171.7

00:45:28.330 --> 00:45:35.867
- million statewide, those tax rates are increasing. As those tax rates increase, you can't just say,

00:45:35.867 --> 00:45:43.630
- hey, Senate Enrolled Act 1 is the underlying cause of some of our additional revenue, but some of just

00:45:43.630 --> 00:45:49.886
- the local decisions are as well. And so with that, real quick, let me see if I can

00:45:51.394 --> 00:46:04.948
- Maybe stop sharing this will see how quickly I can do this here. And I'm going to bring up. We're going

00:46:04.948 --> 00:46:17.981
- to see if I can just share my screen. I just thought I'd go ahead and take a look at Monroe County.

00:46:17.981 --> 00:46:19.806
- Can you guys?

00:46:21.058 --> 00:46:24.030
- Sharing quite yet, is it? Hang on just a second. Let me try that again.

00:46:51.426 --> 00:47:00.058
- If that's showing or not, it's not, is it? All right, one more time. And I'll just read it to you.

00:47:00.058 --> 00:47:09.125
- If not, you know what, I'll just read it to you. But we will want to try to get that where we can, just

00:47:09.125 --> 00:47:13.310
- because you'll want to see the LIMP model here.

00:47:40.738 --> 00:47:47.517
- I'm going to do is just look at yours real quick. I have a spreadsheet that takes a look at the year

00:47:47.517 --> 00:47:54.028
- over year growth and just looking at the summary by county, by unit type. So from Monroe County,

00:47:54.028 --> 00:48:00.606
- like Jamie, this is great. We're hearing all this statewide, but what about Monroe? Monroe County

00:48:00.770 --> 00:48:08.155
- Just looking at certified property tax levies cities and towns within Monroe County Are seeing a reduction

00:48:08.155 --> 00:48:15.127
- of 3.1 million in collections, but I always like to see numbers But then I want to see what's inside

00:48:15.127 --> 00:48:22.305
- the numbers. Okay, so keep that 3.1 million in your mind and I'll tell you what those numbers mean here

00:48:22.305 --> 00:48:28.862
- in a second the county is seeing an increase on property tax collections one of the reasons is

00:48:29.538 --> 00:48:36.466
- There's population that is not overlapped by a severe town in Monroe. Those usually have lower property

00:48:36.466 --> 00:48:43.127
- tax rates, right? So you're going to lose less circuit breaker in some of those areas and based off

00:48:43.127 --> 00:48:49.855
- those rates. So your net levy, again, this is considering circuit breaker. Your net levy increase is

00:48:49.855 --> 00:48:51.454
- 1.1 million. Libraries.

00:48:51.746 --> 00:49:00.070
- saw a slight decrease. Schools, though, let's take a look at those. Schools saw a $1.5 million increase

00:49:00.070 --> 00:49:08.234
- in collection rates. So I thought, okay, well, let's first look at the year-over-year fund detail for

00:49:08.234 --> 00:49:15.358
- one school. So I picked one school in your county. And if you take a look at the overall

00:49:15.458 --> 00:49:23.541
- by fund level. They have a couple of referendums. They have a debt service line and a pension debt.

00:49:23.541 --> 00:49:31.623
- Of those four lines, I thought, well, let's see if additional debt was issued. 3.6 million is being

00:49:31.623 --> 00:49:40.110
- increased in debt collection. So if, say, assessed values in a certain area begin to increase, sometimes

00:49:40.110 --> 00:49:43.262
- schools will take out additional debt.

00:49:43.810 --> 00:49:51.952
- to keep a flatline tax rate, right? So with this, the school is seeing a 3.6 million additional intake

00:49:51.952 --> 00:50:00.094
- in revenue for debt fund. Their operations fund is seeing a decrease of 1.6 million. One of the things

00:50:00.094 --> 00:50:08.315
- that I'm, so it's a net gain overall of 2 million, right? Just to debt service more so than operations.

00:50:08.315 --> 00:50:10.686
- However, my point in this is,

00:50:11.650 --> 00:50:19.036
- While Senate Enrolled Act 1 may have had some cause and effect on the school's operations fund because

00:50:19.036 --> 00:50:26.350
- of some of those post-circuit breaker levies, so did the increase or the not allowing the tax rate to

00:50:26.350 --> 00:50:28.286
- decrease if debt fell off.

00:50:28.418 --> 00:50:35.193
- So I'm saying that to say there are some local decisions that drive those circuit breakers to based

00:50:35.193 --> 00:50:41.969
- off of what that overall rate is doing so in the case of a dish Certifying additional three million

00:50:41.969 --> 00:50:48.880
- dollars in debt levy collection that's going to have an impact on their own operations Tax rate which

00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:56.062
- will have a cause and effect as well. Okay, then I said well, okay, let's go ahead and take a look at the

00:50:57.058 --> 00:51:04.398
- the cities and towns overall, 3.1 million deficit or reduction in overall collections. And I thought,

00:51:04.398 --> 00:51:11.666
- well, okay, let's take a look at that. So if I take a look at, let's say Bloomington, let me pull up

00:51:11.666 --> 00:51:18.142
- here just because obviously that's your biggest municipality. Give me just a second here.

00:51:41.858 --> 00:51:50.807
- how I said overall cities and towns allowed a lot, a large portion of the debt to fall off. Well, Bloomington

00:51:50.807 --> 00:51:58.942
- was no different. So even though they're seeing a decrease in funding, the large portion of that is

00:51:58.942 --> 00:52:07.159
- just because debt was falling off. So it doesn't mean necessarily they're losing. Let's see, overall

00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:10.494
- Bloomington alone is 3.2 million, right?

00:52:12.034 --> 00:52:36.286
- And if I take a look at just the debt funds, let's see here. Depth funds.

00:52:39.682 --> 00:52:47.430
- they had one bond decreased by 3.4 million. So that alone is a large portion. If the city of Bloomington

00:52:47.430 --> 00:52:54.883
- is saying, hey, we're losing a large portion of that is just their debt naturally falling off, which

00:52:54.883 --> 00:53:02.409
- it normally does through an amortization schedule, right? So that's their large part. I think overall

00:53:02.409 --> 00:53:07.870
- their non-debt funds saw a minimal decrease of just about 66,000. Let me,

00:53:08.610 --> 00:53:31.326
- verify that here, though, so that I don't. Yeah, $65,000 overall. So while their general fund and some of the

00:53:31.394 --> 00:53:37.484
- Those decisions are much like what you guys have towards your budget hearings every year, right? You

00:53:37.484 --> 00:53:43.573
- have all your maximum levy generated funds and you get to decide, okay, do we need a little bit more

00:53:43.573 --> 00:53:49.663
- in our health fund this year? Do we decrease some of our general fund but we stay within the maximum

00:53:49.663 --> 00:53:55.813
- levy or however those decisions work? And the cities are no different with those decisions, right? So

00:53:55.813 --> 00:54:01.360
- even though they allowed their general fund to decrease 1.9 million, they allowed their NVH

00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:09.937
- fund to increase $1.2 million. So that was a local driven decision, right, as to just where to allocate

00:54:09.937 --> 00:54:18.679
- some of those levy collections. But overall, year over year, it's in their non-debt funds, they're seeing

00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:27.092
- a $65,000 change. And then we'll look at lit here in a second. But let me get back to our PowerPoint.

00:54:27.092 --> 00:54:29.566
- And this team's meeting here.

00:54:48.066 --> 00:55:01.774
- I'm still in the Teams meeting. It looks like you are. Right. Okay. Well, I'm back in. So let's see.

00:55:01.774 --> 00:55:05.438
- Let's just do it this way.

00:55:40.194 --> 00:55:48.131
- Okay, now looking at the total certified levies, the overall statewide, you can see schools account

00:55:48.131 --> 00:55:56.147
- for 44%. So if you're thinking of the property tax collection pie as a, how you're percentiling that

00:55:56.147 --> 00:56:04.639
- out based off of collections, schools are 44%, counties are around 18%, just shy. Cities and towns account

00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:08.766
- for about 24%, and then you can see the rest there.

00:56:11.170 --> 00:56:17.718
- This is net levies. So again, certified levies are the are what you have control over as a adopting

00:56:17.718 --> 00:56:24.266
- unit of government. It is what you are locally deciding and driving. And that's important to take a

00:56:24.266 --> 00:56:29.374
- look at those certified levies. What's the local decisions issuing more debt?

00:56:29.634 --> 00:56:36.272
- allowing debt to fall off compared to the net levies. The net levies assume the circuit breaker loss

00:56:36.272 --> 00:56:43.108
- and all of the credits that are applied post circuit breaker. So you can see here that that does change

00:56:43.108 --> 00:56:50.206
- things. Counties went from 17.55 percent of the total certified. They received 18 percent of the total net.

00:56:53.026 --> 00:57:00.763
- Going into the lit reform and must overview the current local income tax is set to now expire in twenty

00:57:00.763 --> 00:57:08.202
- twenty eight. You can see right now that how those rates are applied. The expenditure rate includes

00:57:08.202 --> 00:57:14.302
- certified shares which includes levy freeze and school PTRC economic development.

00:57:14.594 --> 00:57:22.277
- which you guys do have, public safety, which includes PSAP, any fire department, volunteer fire department,

00:57:22.277 --> 00:57:29.463
- correctional rehab facility, that's also known as just a jail lit, if you guys have a jail lit, EMS,

00:57:29.463 --> 00:57:36.719
- judicial and acute care hospital, so that's one bucket. Then you have another bucket, and that bucket

00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:38.142
- cannot exceed 2.5%.

00:57:38.274 --> 00:57:47.318
- And then the special purpose rate cannot. Well, it's generated by state statute and the expiration date

00:57:47.318 --> 00:57:56.102
- of being able to collect that is outside. It's specifically driven in statute. I think you may have.

00:57:56.102 --> 00:58:05.320
- I'm almost afraid to go off of this, though, because every time I do, I feel like I have troubles getting

00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:08.190
- back. I think you guys do. Yeah.

00:58:08.386 --> 00:58:18.962
- This is how the current lit structure looks. It's broken up again by the certified chairs, public safety.

00:58:18.962 --> 00:58:24.350
- But you can see as we go into look at the new reform,

00:58:24.450 --> 00:58:33.449
- The biggest change between this old makeup and the new is where the tax base is coming from. If you

00:58:33.449 --> 00:58:42.717
- think of your net assessed value on property taxes as your tax base, the adjusted gross income is your

00:58:42.717 --> 00:58:51.806
- tax base for lit. So right now, the adjusted gross income is being used of the entire county to fund

00:58:52.130 --> 00:59:00.562
- every single unit that receives distribution. So what that means is, and I use my home county as an

00:59:00.562 --> 00:59:08.995
- example, we are a former co-it county. So what that means is we have a lit council. The lit council

00:59:08.995 --> 00:59:12.958
- is comprised of municipalities and the county.

00:59:13.314 --> 00:59:21.304
- Your percent of vote is based on your population percentage. The city of Kokomo back in 2010 time frame

00:59:21.304 --> 00:59:29.140
- saw a very large annexation. So where the city is now 71% of the overall population of the county. So

00:59:29.140 --> 00:59:36.822
- based off of that former break or makeup of how the lit council votes, the city alone of Kokomo has

00:59:36.822 --> 00:59:42.046
- over 51% of that vote. They can vote on the lit rate for the entire

00:59:42.210 --> 00:59:50.259
- all county residents in Howard County without even considering the non-municipal areas or the municipal

00:59:50.259 --> 00:59:57.611
- areas that are not within those boundary lines. So there's a concern there of taxation without

00:59:57.611 --> 01:00:05.660
- representation, certainly, right? But then also you have to also understand how these funds are divided

01:00:05.660 --> 01:00:11.774
- up. So you get all this lit revenue, right? Each unit gets a proportion of it.

01:00:12.066 --> 01:00:20.221
- How that's decided currently is based off property tax levies. So there's the perverse incentive to

01:00:20.221 --> 01:00:28.376
- raise that property tax levy to be able to get more lit distribution, right? Just the same, there's

01:00:28.376 --> 01:00:36.775
- almost the opposite occurring where it de-centrifies you to decrease your property tax levy. So if you

01:00:36.775 --> 01:00:38.814
- were under maximum levy,

01:00:39.522 --> 01:00:46.259
- which you guys were, I know last year. But if you're under your maximum levy, it's also going to cost

01:00:46.259 --> 01:00:52.996
- you that following year on lit distribution too, because one has an effect on the other. So those are

01:00:52.996 --> 01:00:59.667
- some of the reasons that our legislators cited when saying this is why we're needing a little bit of

01:00:59.667 --> 01:01:04.158
- reform. And also you're seeing the dollars don't necessarily follow

01:01:04.290 --> 01:01:12.167
- that taxpayer. You're seeing areas that are non-municipal where they're subsidizing largely some of

01:01:12.167 --> 01:01:20.123
- the municipal areas. Obviously, I don't care if you're municipal or non-municipal, you're all within

01:01:20.123 --> 01:01:28.315
- the county. But they wanted to be able to show a little bit and it be locally decided what that subsidy

01:01:28.315 --> 01:01:33.278
- is if so permitted. So this is the makeup of the old structure

01:01:34.402 --> 01:01:41.694
- And again, I always say, and if you've listened to a presentation of mine, I will never have a lit discussion

01:01:41.694 --> 01:01:48.389
- without having a property tax discussion because one influences the other right now, right? There is

01:01:48.389 --> 01:01:55.216
- that perverse incentive on that property tax levy for that income. Just looking at the compound growth

01:01:55.216 --> 01:02:01.977
- rate from 2022 for property tax levies to 2026, you can see counties grew for the major unit types at

01:02:01.977 --> 01:02:03.966
- the lowest rate. So if you're

01:02:04.770 --> 01:02:12.478
- growth lowest on the property tax side, what are you doing on the lit side? Hand in hand, right?

01:02:23.810 --> 01:02:31.044
- Do you want to talk about what the overall rates are? Statewide, the average, again, the expenditure

01:02:31.044 --> 01:02:38.350
- rate cap right now is 2.5%. However, the statewide average is 1.62. So there's plenty of capacity. We

01:02:38.350 --> 01:02:41.502
- talk about capacity and who needs capacity.

01:02:41.730 --> 01:02:49.015
- Right now there's a ton of capacity already that's existing in the current list structure, right? And

01:02:49.015 --> 01:02:56.372
- then I would also say that's the same from the PTR. PTR, the average throughout the state, 58 counties

01:02:56.372 --> 01:03:03.657
- have a PTR. While that maximum rate is 1.25%, the average throughout the state is 0.36. Again, that's

01:03:03.657 --> 01:03:10.014
- being eliminated as we move forward. This is what the new rate structure will look like.

01:03:10.594 --> 01:03:19.145
- it is going to be stacked similar similarly to how property taxes are stacked. So what the General Assembly

01:03:19.145 --> 01:03:27.063
- has said is right now the county service rate is going to be 1.2% not to exceed the fire protection

01:03:27.063 --> 01:03:35.614
- and EMS not to exceed 0.4 not to exceed 0.2. Those three combined while they total 1.8 those three combined

01:03:35.614 --> 01:03:37.118
- cannot exceed 1.7.

01:03:38.338 --> 01:03:45.856
- The municipal tax rate, whether it's a small or a large defined municipality, cannot exceed 1.7. From

01:03:45.856 --> 01:03:53.373
- what I took a look at, you have two, quote unquote, large municipalities in Monroe and one small. And

01:03:53.373 --> 01:04:00.670
- then the total lit rate cannot exceed 2.9. So this is the current makeup, what will begin in 2029.

01:04:01.826 --> 01:04:09.606
- This is the new structure then, and how this changes is unique. Right now, the tax base for the entire

01:04:09.606 --> 01:04:17.461
- lit is the adjusted gross income for the entire county. Moving forward, the county service rate of 1.2,

01:04:17.461 --> 01:04:25.391
- since every taxpayer is a county taxpayer, right, for the county services, you will utilize the adjusted

01:04:25.391 --> 01:04:31.358
- gross income of the entire county. Fire protection and EMS, universal service,

01:04:31.586 --> 01:04:39.847
- countywide AGI, okay? So it's a larger tax base. Non-municipal, which are your townships, your libraries,

01:04:39.847 --> 01:04:48.030
- not to exceed .2, again, it's the adjusted gross income of the entire county. It's that larger tax base.

01:04:48.030 --> 01:04:56.212
- It's the larger pool. Larger tax base, you need a smaller rate most of the time to generate the revenue,

01:04:56.212 --> 01:05:01.278
- okay? Municipalities that are less than 3,500, the adopting body

01:05:02.082 --> 01:05:09.903
- are you the county council? The reason is because it's utilizing the county wide AGI and what they wanted

01:05:09.903 --> 01:05:17.650
- to make sure was there was representation for those that would be paying that tax. So the municipalities

01:05:17.650 --> 01:05:25.102
- that are less than 3500 is the AGI of the entire county. However, if I'm a large municipality, which

01:05:25.102 --> 01:05:31.742
- you have to, they have the choice. The county council can adopt that small municipal rate

01:05:32.482 --> 01:05:38.177
- for all the municipalities that are less than 3,500, you've established this rate, then the

01:05:38.177 --> 01:05:44.367
- large municipalities have a decision to make. They're going to say, do I want to opt into that rate

01:05:44.367 --> 01:05:50.061
- or do I want to opt out of that rate? Well, the higher the rate that's established for that

01:05:50.061 --> 01:05:57.118
- small municipality, the more incentive they have to opt into it because it's the larger tax base, right? However,

01:05:57.762 --> 01:06:05.581
- the small municipality to ensure that there's not double taxation by the same unit type. If Bloomington

01:06:05.581 --> 01:06:13.550
- opts out of the small municipal rate that you establish, their AGI goes with it so that you're not double

01:06:13.550 --> 01:06:21.144
- taxing a taxpayer. So you have the large pool. However, it's going to come here because you're going

01:06:21.144 --> 01:06:22.046
- to subtract

01:06:22.402 --> 01:06:31.842
- that will be the tax base for those small cities and towns then that you would have to adopt. One thing

01:06:31.842 --> 01:06:41.101
- I do want to make note of is the county service rate obviously cannot exceed one point two it's going

01:06:41.101 --> 01:06:50.814
- to be all of the current pools right now there it's bucketed right public safety PSAP economic development

01:06:51.330 --> 01:06:57.990
- The new encompasses it all. It was, I think, an intent to provide some flexibility for the local units

01:06:57.990 --> 01:07:04.455
- and to provide more local control for the local units. But the one thing I really want to make note

01:07:04.455 --> 01:07:11.309
- of is it does include debt obligations. So right now you have a special purpose tax rate. That is outside

01:07:11.309 --> 01:07:18.163
- since it was statutorily assigned. You are one of the 21 that have a statutorily assigned special purpose

01:07:18.163 --> 01:07:19.262
- rate, I believe.

01:07:19.778 --> 01:07:27.873
- It's outside of the current maximum of 2.9% total. So that's grandfathered previously. You don't have

01:07:27.873 --> 01:07:36.047
- to consider that as you're adopting your new rate. That will continue. Because it was established with

01:07:36.047 --> 01:07:44.062
- a payoff in particular defined by statute, and it will pay off based off of that statutory language.

01:07:50.658 --> 01:07:58.894
- going to go through this. I'm going to leave you guys with this information. However, what I will say

01:07:58.894 --> 01:08:06.968
- on fire protection and EMS. That is adopted by the County Council. The why is because it's going to

01:08:06.968 --> 01:08:09.310
- touch every single taxpayer.

01:08:09.442 --> 01:08:15.939
- all of their adjusted gross income is going to pay for a fire and EMS rate that you would apply. So

01:08:15.939 --> 01:08:22.890
- that's why it's in your deciding hands. The things statutorily that you do have to review with allocating,

01:08:22.890 --> 01:08:29.516
- so you set the rate and then you allocate the funds that that rate generates. Okay, so if I establish

01:08:29.516 --> 01:08:36.273
- a rate and it generates $10 million, then I go in and start allocating that portion of that $10 million

01:08:36.273 --> 01:08:39.326
- to those that are able to receive those funds.

01:08:39.426 --> 01:08:46.794
- Well, who's able to receive those? Well, it states that if you have a township that performs 50% in

01:08:46.794 --> 01:08:54.456
- the prior two years of all fire runs and they have a full-time staff, well, they define full-time staff

01:08:54.456 --> 01:09:01.898
- statutorily as the firefighters earning 30,000 or more. I think that was for one particular township

01:09:01.898 --> 01:09:09.118
- that's maybe closer to the Indianapolis area. But it also says that you must consider population.

01:09:09.378 --> 01:09:16.845
- and you must consider service boundary lines. That's what you do, is you have to consider those, but

01:09:16.845 --> 01:09:24.385
- there is no statutorily prescribed procedure when you're allocating those funds. However, if you have

01:09:24.385 --> 01:09:31.999
- a fire district, which you do, you must allocate funds. It doesn't say how much, it just says that you

01:09:31.999 --> 01:09:35.326
- must allocate funds, okay? So it's a pretty,

01:09:35.554 --> 01:09:45.136
- wide open concept of how to generate and allocate those funds that's driven. It's a public safety, public

01:09:45.136 --> 01:09:54.357
- safety rate. So there is a lot more flexibility on that. However, you have to use it on fire and EMS.

01:09:54.357 --> 01:10:01.950
- Okay. With that said, I will say fire and EMS rate if applied and if applied first,

01:10:03.650 --> 01:10:10.608
- erases the concern for all cities and towns throughout the state. Because when they were looking at

01:10:10.608 --> 01:10:17.843
- revenue neutrality, they weren't considering the generated revenue from the fire and EMS rate. However,

01:10:17.843 --> 01:10:24.871
- the current revenue does consider public safety revenue, because there's a public safety rate, and I

01:10:24.871 --> 01:10:32.385
- believe you guys have one. They receive those public safety funds currently. So when they're being compared

01:10:32.385 --> 01:10:33.150
- statewide,

01:10:33.282 --> 01:10:41.479
- you were including public safety on the current, not including a portion of the public safety, which

01:10:41.479 --> 01:10:50.244
- is your fire and EMS rate and the ability to be whole from that. So keep that in mind when you're beginning

01:10:50.244 --> 01:10:56.574
- to allocate those funds. And this goes into some of the steps. I will say the

01:10:56.898 --> 01:11:04.442
- There's a 12-step statutory, the one rate that says how you're going to provide the allocation. If you

01:11:04.442 --> 01:11:11.474
- adopt a small municipality rate, that's the one that you're setting for those cities and towns.

01:11:11.474 --> 01:11:19.458
- For you, it's Steinsville. So the rate that you are allocating for Steinsville and then allowing Bloomington

01:11:19.458 --> 01:11:22.974
- and Ellitsville to either opt in or opt out of,

01:11:23.458 --> 01:11:30.723
- there is a statutorily prescribed process. It's a 12 step that says this is how those allocated funds

01:11:30.723 --> 01:11:38.131
- will be dispersed. Okay. The good thing is, is within our lit portal that again, your auditor does have

01:11:38.131 --> 01:11:45.752
- access to now that will, you'll be able to play with those figures to see what you would need to generate.

01:11:45.752 --> 01:11:51.806
- I did run. I'm just not real sure if I'm going to be able to share my screen or not.

01:11:52.258 --> 01:11:59.948
- to take a look at this, but I did run a model on Monroe County just to see what does Monroe County look

01:11:59.948 --> 01:12:07.416
- like unique compared to. One of the things I will say, because I believe you are, you are, you are a

01:12:07.416 --> 01:12:14.885
- PTR, you generate a PTR rate. When the property tax replacement rate initially went in, statutorily,

01:12:14.885 --> 01:12:21.022
- the thought was if I pay you a dollar in income tax, you would provide a dollar of

01:12:21.186 --> 01:12:28.669
- property tax relief, right? But as that evolved, as the law changed and tax rates changed and evolved,

01:12:28.669 --> 01:12:36.442
- what has occurred is I could be giving you a dollar of my lit, and in some areas, 70 cents of that dollar,

01:12:36.442 --> 01:12:43.925
- of every dollar generated, goes to buying down the circuit breaker burden of all the underlying units.

01:12:43.925 --> 01:12:49.374
- Well, again, if you think of that pie statewide, that burden is about 18%,

01:12:49.506 --> 01:12:58.506
- counties. So 18% of that 70 cents in that example would go to your county by down of the circuit breaker

01:12:58.506 --> 01:13:00.734
- and then to obviously the

01:13:01.922 --> 01:13:09.967
- the townships and the civil units, the municipalities. So then the 30 cents in that example would go

01:13:09.967 --> 01:13:18.011
- down, would buy down that property tax bill. This here will show you where your county rates on that

01:13:18.011 --> 01:13:25.976
- as far as that allocation of those PTR funds. I say that to just for you to be mindful when you are

01:13:25.976 --> 01:13:31.870
- generating from that lit portal. Since the new structure does not include

01:13:32.066 --> 01:13:38.505
- PTR because that's being eliminated. That's something to just be mindful of right if you are receiving

01:13:38.505 --> 01:13:44.881
- 50 cents of every dollar That's something to be mindful of as you're allocating those funds Okay, and

01:13:44.881 --> 01:13:51.257
- that lip portal will not show that but if you have capacity you can make yourself whole there So with

01:13:51.257 --> 01:13:53.758
- that said I also did take a look at the

01:13:54.114 --> 01:14:02.590
- Your year over year, because I was curious, and we talked about the year over year on property tax.

01:14:02.590 --> 01:14:11.404
- Well, what was your year over year for LITs from 25 to 26? Not include, like PSAP distribution, because

01:14:11.404 --> 01:14:20.219
- that goes directly to the county. Your PSAP went from 2.7 million to 2.9 million, so a modest increase.

01:14:20.219 --> 01:14:22.846
- Your PTR went from 2.2 million

01:14:23.010 --> 01:14:32.708
- to 2.4, modest increase. The jail-lit, 7.4 to 7.9, modest. Then I took a look at your, like, for example,

01:14:32.708 --> 01:14:41.857
- Bloomington, if you take a look at their allocated proportion, they're actually growing 2.7 million

01:14:41.857 --> 01:14:51.646
- total in lit distribution from year over year. The county on distribution shares, you are, let's see, 100,

01:14:54.594 --> 01:15:01.705
- 100,000 increase on the on that too for your public safety certified shares and edits So I just wanted

01:15:01.705 --> 01:15:08.609
- to give you that little bit of information. I'd be happy to leave this for you as well must I won't

01:15:08.609 --> 01:15:15.512
- spend too much time here, but 12 10 of this last session said that you may have a must meeting Must

01:15:15.512 --> 01:15:20.414
- is municipal unit strategic task force and that is you may meet before

01:15:20.578 --> 01:15:28.533
- prior to August 1st, October 1st of 2026. The county council statutorily convenes the must. County council,

01:15:28.533 --> 01:15:35.972
- there's a representative. Well, who comprises the must, right? One county council representative. It

01:15:35.972 --> 01:15:43.337
- uniquely says county council representative compared to the municipal officers that it's the fiscal

01:15:43.337 --> 01:15:49.598
- officer of each city and town. So the fiscal officer for those three municipalities.

01:15:49.730 --> 01:15:56.954
- are statutorily defined as the person with the voting authority. It's certainly a very unique provision,

01:15:56.954 --> 01:16:04.041
- because you're one representative. You could technically say, hey, we're going to go send our auditor.

01:16:04.041 --> 01:16:11.059
- Because the DLGF has said most recently, they're viewing that language to say the county council, you

01:16:11.059 --> 01:16:17.182
- could send your attorney. They're probably looking at me going, thanks, Jamie, for that.

01:16:17.538 --> 01:16:22.782
- But it does, it says county council representative. So it doesn't necessarily mean it has to be.

01:16:22.882 --> 01:16:29.988
- a member of, however it certainly could be. However, what we know is once this goes into effect in 2029,

01:16:29.988 --> 01:16:37.229
- they can't bind you to the decision of what comes out of must, right? The fiscal officer certainly doesn't

01:16:37.229 --> 01:16:44.064
- have the authority to bind the city council into an agreement that they don't even sit on. Same goes

01:16:44.064 --> 01:16:50.899
- with, so it's a very non-binding, what they wanted to do is just receive information if you elect to

01:16:50.899 --> 01:16:52.862
- have or hold a must meeting.

01:16:52.898 --> 01:17:00.163
- If you do, the purpose is to establish a lit distribution related to the overall 2.9 percent. And if

01:17:00.163 --> 01:17:07.860
- a unanimous agreement is reached to submit a report to the DLGF, it doesn't say when to submit the report.

01:17:07.860 --> 01:17:14.046
- I would assume they'll provide some guidance on that here in the coming weeks of when

01:17:14.754 --> 01:17:21.520
- that they want that information. What we are suggesting at AIC, though, is to just use a cautious and

01:17:21.520 --> 01:17:28.485
- deliberate approach when holding the must meeting. If you so choose to have that must meeting, and we're

01:17:28.485 --> 01:17:33.726
- certainly recommending, we think all dialogue and communication is beneficial.

01:17:33.826 --> 01:17:40.487
- They are public meetings, because you should hear from your public, right? It's their tax dollars. And

01:17:40.487 --> 01:17:47.277
- you should hear from municipal. You should hear from non-municipal, because if your non-municipal, which

01:17:47.277 --> 01:17:54.326
- they are, are subsidizing cities and towns, you may want to say, how much should that subsidy be, especially

01:17:54.326 --> 01:18:01.246
- if there's overlapping services? We are receiving additional information, just like the certified and NETS

01:18:01.378 --> 01:18:08.556
- property tax levies, we're getting more information weekly. One of the things that we've never received

01:18:08.556 --> 01:18:15.527
- before, right now the state could not answer how much debt is backed by lit funds. Nobody can answer

01:18:15.527 --> 01:18:22.566
- that. Well, that's pretty important to know before you start allocating 2.9% of your lit rate, right?

01:18:22.566 --> 01:18:29.054
- Because if not, it's going to come from your rate. So you want to know what and how much debt

01:18:29.346 --> 01:18:35.594
- Whether it's a city, whether it's a town, there could be a township. Your funds, you want to know that

01:18:35.594 --> 01:18:41.902
- information. So what we're saying is use a deliberate approach, collect information. I've provided some

01:18:41.902 --> 01:18:48.150
- slides here on the information that you should, and I'd be happy to share this slideshow with Bree and

01:18:48.150 --> 01:18:54.398
- your attorney to also provide out. And Kim has been a wonderful advocate on your guys' behalf as well.

01:18:56.674 --> 01:19:03.828
- So you could say, hey, let's start collecting this data because that will help you drive a data-driven

01:19:03.828 --> 01:19:10.773
- decision rather than an emotional decision. So there is some structure here as far as some of those

01:19:10.773 --> 01:19:15.774
- key questions that you may want to say, hey, what our overall objective

01:19:15.938 --> 01:19:21.825
- entering that could be, because it could be vastly different between your body and another

01:19:21.825 --> 01:19:28.619
- body of government. So you may want to define what your overall goal is before you also head into those.

01:19:28.619 --> 01:19:35.283
- These slides here will be those key financial and operational data collection points that you may want

01:19:35.283 --> 01:19:42.270
- to begin collecting now before you hold a must meeting maybe later in August or early September. With that,

01:19:43.042 --> 01:19:49.864
- I do have the lit portal if you'd like to see that now. If not, I did run a model. I'm happy to leave

01:19:49.864 --> 01:19:56.620
- that model that I prepared for you just to respect your time and those that are also going after me.

01:19:56.620 --> 01:20:03.709
- So if you'd like to see it, I'd be happy to show it. Otherwise, I'm happy to leave the PDF that I created

01:20:03.709 --> 01:20:10.398
- from that. So I'll go at your rate. Thank you so much. And it might be helpful for us to pass that.

01:20:11.010 --> 01:20:19.044
- information on in the interest of time. I'll entertain because I know a couple of counts or we might

01:20:19.044 --> 01:20:27.317
- have some quick questions for you. And I'll actually go first because one of the biggest questions that

01:20:27.317 --> 01:20:35.431
- I had about the must task force is for us to potentially like if we decided that we wanted to opt in,

01:20:35.431 --> 01:20:39.806
- do you have to have all of the taxing units and bodies

01:20:40.194 --> 01:20:47.205
- to be able to participate. So if one decided that they didn't want to do it and they wanted to do their

01:20:47.205 --> 01:20:54.014
- own, can this must task force convene? So what it says is the county council may convene, right? The

01:20:54.014 --> 01:21:00.823
- county may convene a must. So you can convene a must meeting. You can set the date. You can say this

01:21:00.823 --> 01:21:07.631
- is when we're going to convene it. It has to be public. So you have to notify the public, right? And

01:21:07.631 --> 01:21:09.182
- provide proper notice.

01:21:09.346 --> 01:21:15.567
- However, if there's a certain city or town that says, hey, and I can tell you, I ran the model. Every

01:21:15.567 --> 01:21:21.666
- city and town that has the option to opt in or opt out, they have plenty of capacity if you adopt a

01:21:21.666 --> 01:21:27.766
- fire and EMS rate, OK? If they say, hey, we really don't need to be there. We're going to adopt our

01:21:27.766 --> 01:21:33.438
- own, you can still hold the must. They just wouldn't be present. You would just notate that.

01:21:33.826 --> 01:21:40.481
- You wouldn't technically have a unanimous between all the cities and towns at that point. And then your

01:21:40.481 --> 01:21:46.943
- small municipality may say, hey, we're kind of at the discretion of this body anyways. However, they

01:21:46.943 --> 01:21:53.662
- may certainly want to have input uniquely to answer your question to is specifically says who cannot be.

01:21:54.050 --> 01:22:01.165
- included and must. So while it says one county council representative and the fiscal officer from each

01:22:01.165 --> 01:22:08.487
- city and town, it does say that they don't want fire district representation there. However, that doesn't

01:22:08.487 --> 01:22:15.463
- mean that they can't come and publicly comment, right? The same goes for municipalities. I think you

01:22:15.463 --> 01:22:17.950
- guys are a former, you're a former,

01:22:19.522 --> 01:22:31.294
- So your schools may not want to have input at that point. Some that are former

01:22:31.682 --> 01:22:38.499
- as a former school CFO, I would want some input because they would be losing some of that distribution.

01:22:38.499 --> 01:22:45.053
- But you can still hold that. You would just notate that. That's what we're waiting on from the DLGF

01:22:45.053 --> 01:22:51.673
- is to say, do they want only the reports from the unanimous or do they even want to know if you held

01:22:51.673 --> 01:22:58.490
- one who was an attendance? Okay, thank you. Yes, Councilor Hawke. That's the lowest amount because when

01:22:58.490 --> 01:23:01.374
- I'm looking at this, it looks like we would

01:23:01.698 --> 01:23:08.689
- we would start out with thinking about what the small muni rate might be for Steinsville, because many

01:23:08.689 --> 01:23:15.679
- of us think, I mean, Steinsville really could use some assist, but we could set a rate. Now, if we did

01:23:15.679 --> 01:23:23.077
- that, whatever that smallest rate would be, because they're a very small town, they don't need, we certainly

01:23:23.077 --> 01:23:29.864
- would not send them as much as we would use for operating. But then does that establish, that's the

01:23:29.864 --> 01:23:30.814
- rate that any

01:23:31.298 --> 01:23:38.650
- Municipality larger municipality would opt into if they wanted to opt in for bringing in taxes from

01:23:38.650 --> 01:23:46.150
- throughout the county, they would use that smaller rate that we established for studies. Is that what

01:23:46.150 --> 01:23:47.326
- we would do? So

01:23:48.546 --> 01:23:55.361
- It doesn't uniquely say what your order of operations is when you're assigning the individual buckets.

01:23:55.361 --> 01:24:01.978
- When I've ran every model, I look at the fire and EMS rate first because it's a public safety rate,

01:24:01.978 --> 01:24:08.728
- it's the larger AGI, and it's more of a universal type of service that's being provided. So I look at

01:24:08.728 --> 01:24:12.830
- that rate first and then I go to the small municipality rate.

01:24:13.154 --> 01:24:23.644
- The reason is if a baby remember I said it's a 12 step distribution process. Well, if your county is

01:24:23.644 --> 01:24:28.318
- comprised by 66 or two third percent 66.67%.

01:24:28.802 --> 01:24:36.857
- by municipally populated presence. So if your municipalities combined for over two thirds of your total

01:24:36.857 --> 01:24:44.758
- county wide population, the county would not receive any of that distribution. However, if you're not

01:24:44.758 --> 01:24:53.278
- that way or say Bloomington ops out because they are your larger populace, the county would receive a portion

01:24:53.442 --> 01:25:00.470
- of that county-wide or that small municipal rate. That's a part of that 12-step process that's embedded

01:25:00.470 --> 01:25:07.363
- in our lit portal that we built. So the reason I think it's probably sometimes easier to Councilwoman

01:25:07.363 --> 01:25:12.702
- Hawk's position is you may want to know by adopting that small municipal rate,

01:25:13.090 --> 01:25:20.149
- if they're going to opt in or opt out because it's going to have a direct impact on the amount that

01:25:20.149 --> 01:25:27.632
- the county would also receive, but also what your smallest municipality would receive. Again, that higher

01:25:27.632 --> 01:25:34.904
- adoption of that rate for the small municipal rate incentivizes your larger municipalities to opt into

01:25:34.904 --> 01:25:41.822
- it. But with them being so small, one of the things I've said is you may not want to chase a rate

01:25:42.018 --> 01:25:50.287
- based off of your smallest populated city or town. So what can you do for them? Like in the model I

01:25:50.287 --> 01:25:58.886
- drafted here, it's a very small, the non-municipal rate I think I applied is 0.2%, right? And the model

01:25:58.886 --> 01:26:07.486
- I'm giving you fully funds everyone, and it's a decrease to the taxpayers, the non-municipal taxpayers.

01:26:07.778 --> 01:26:15.564
- okay and that just shows that that subsidy a part of your goal is to say hey let's lessen that subsidy

01:26:15.564 --> 01:26:23.274
- this this would provide that however with steinsville they would be six thousand shy they're the only

01:26:23.274 --> 01:26:29.246
- one in red well what you simply can do is just have a interlocal agreement and

01:26:29.858 --> 01:26:36.557
- provide them a fund transfer at settlement time, or when you're distributing these lit funds. So it

01:26:36.557 --> 01:26:43.591
- may be better to just, and what we're saying is make sure that the State Board of Accounts is acceptable

01:26:43.591 --> 01:26:47.678
- of that. So far they have seen as if that is not acceptable.

01:26:47.906 --> 01:26:55.546
- permissible. There's certainly much of that now anyways where there's inner funds. If you have interlocal

01:26:55.546 --> 01:27:02.825
- agreements, that practice is pretty routine now. That may be an easier way to make sure that they're

01:27:02.825 --> 01:27:07.582
- whole than trying to find that perfect rate. Any other questions?

01:27:10.946 --> 01:27:17.646
- So can you repeat again the rate, the percentage of municipal population to non-municipal population

01:27:17.646 --> 01:27:24.347
- at 60 what percent? Yeah, so based off of the formula, how that formula works is it's saying add up,

01:27:24.347 --> 01:27:30.782
- it helps you take all of the population of each city and town and then it's going to put a thumb

01:27:30.914 --> 01:27:38.465
- on that scale and say we're gonna take that times 1.5. So they're gonna have a heavier rate of distribution

01:27:38.465 --> 01:27:45.806
- on that small municipal rate. So because that's taken times 1.5 and you can't over-distribute the amount

01:27:45.806 --> 01:27:53.147
- of revenue that you're collecting, that balance point of when you take that 1.5 is 66.67%. Let me follow

01:27:53.147 --> 01:27:59.230
- up with a question then, because we have some variables in our county that are unique.

01:27:59.618 --> 01:28:06.143
- municipal jurisdiction that's looking to merge into a township, Ellitsville and Richland Township. Okay,

01:28:06.143 --> 01:28:12.357
- I saw that recently. Yeah, so that would increase the population of Ellitsville from 6,800 to about

01:28:12.357 --> 01:28:18.944
- 15,190. Okay. Which would, now I'm doing math on a fly here, but that would be slightly under that 60-ish

01:28:18.944 --> 01:28:23.294
- percent number to somewhere around 73%, including Bloomington, right?

01:28:23.394 --> 01:28:29.576
- um so that's a good point so we're in the night edge right would it increase did you say it was ellisville

01:28:29.576 --> 01:28:35.412
- they're combining with or richland yeah so richland township and ellisville okay right which they're

01:28:35.412 --> 01:28:41.248
- already above that 3500 so they're already a large municipality okay so so the question is so that's

01:28:41.248 --> 01:28:46.910
- one variable on our plate that that's going to be a november vote which would be a month after us

01:28:47.010 --> 01:28:52.234
- deciding to do a must committee or not. So, I mean, that sounds like it might be unique for the state.

01:28:52.234 --> 01:28:57.662
- I mean, we might be, are there other jurisdictions that are looking at? I've seen a couple. Municipalities

01:28:57.662 --> 01:29:03.089
- that are emerging that might tip the tip the scale from that 60. So what was the number again? Two thirds,

01:29:03.089 --> 01:29:08.517
- 66.67. Yeah, because we're like 63.1. Once it goes, once it's tipped over that, the county doesn't receive

01:29:08.517 --> 01:29:13.741
- any distribution. Well, that's a thing to think about. Yes. Yes, it is. And to be honest with you, you

01:29:13.741 --> 01:29:14.654
- could get through

01:29:14.754 --> 01:29:22.420
- in a manner of saying, hey, we're going to adopt a 0% small municipal rate, and then just tick up the

01:29:22.420 --> 01:29:30.386
- county service rate, and then they can then charge their rate to their residents individually, regardless

01:29:30.386 --> 01:29:37.901
- if they're consolidated or not with that township population. So under this model, they have enough

01:29:37.901 --> 01:29:43.838
- flexibility if you adopt a fire in EMS, and if you proportionally allocate it,

01:29:43.938 --> 01:29:50.479
- on this example is all it is. This is not financial advice. It's just an example I ran for you just

01:29:50.479 --> 01:29:57.020
- to show you how it works. But in that case there, if you adopted a zero rate, then you just applied

01:29:57.020 --> 01:30:03.561
- maybe that little increment of 0.1 to the county service rate. You could just say, hey, we're gonna

01:30:03.561 --> 01:30:10.298
- cut Steinsville a check annually out of that. And then you wouldn't have to worry about that case. I'm

01:30:10.298 --> 01:30:13.438
- gonna limit myself to one interesting question.

01:30:14.434 --> 01:30:21.980
- I'll pass it back. I'm sure others have questions. All right. Well, in the interest of time, I'll see

01:30:21.980 --> 01:30:29.453
- if anybody else has any more questions. I do not have a question, but thank you for taking the time.

01:30:29.453 --> 01:30:37.147
- I know you've done this, if we could have made it up to see you. So I appreciate the time you're taking

01:30:37.147 --> 01:30:40.254
- to help us come along, because I've heard

01:30:40.642 --> 01:30:48.988
- many different versions, but not all of it at once, and wow, this is a lot to take in. It is, which

01:30:48.988 --> 01:30:57.585
- is why we are saying it's okay to take a breath and absorb all the information, make sure you have the

01:30:57.585 --> 01:31:01.758
- proper document or the proper data, not estimates

01:31:01.954 --> 01:31:09.367
- you know, so far out, but the actual, because we do have the certified net levies now, so we know what

01:31:09.367 --> 01:31:16.780
- those are, right? So I think that's important to have all of those, to use a data-driven decision, but

01:31:16.780 --> 01:31:24.121
- thank you. Thank you very much. You've given the clearest explanation of this. I've seen you do this,

01:31:24.121 --> 01:31:30.238
- I think, two times. I feel like I do it in my sleep maybe sometimes. Easily the most

01:31:30.530 --> 01:31:39.242
- the clearest I've seen it in the state. I'm sure I'll have a million questions. Just an overarching

01:31:39.242 --> 01:31:47.953
- concern I have as our association sitting before us is I worry about all of local government across

01:31:47.953 --> 01:31:56.839
- this state doing this, understanding how to do it, doing it well, and not messing something up. Which

01:31:56.839 --> 01:31:58.494
- is why we invested

01:31:58.818 --> 01:32:07.064
- at AIC, we invested back to all of our members because we know how much, how many decisions are in front

01:32:07.064 --> 01:32:09.342
- of you. And so we said, hey,

01:32:09.410 --> 01:32:16.242
- You don't have to do that 12 step process. You don't need my Excel workbook to do it. We built this

01:32:16.242 --> 01:32:23.210
- interactive portal that does that for you. And we also built in air codes so you can't over allocate.

01:32:23.210 --> 01:32:30.588
- So there's as many air checks in it as possible. But I will also tell you, as we have committed to updating

01:32:30.588 --> 01:32:33.662
- that as additional source data is coming in,

01:32:33.762 --> 01:32:40.408
- So as there's more relevant data in front of us so for example when the Department of Revenue certifies

01:32:40.408 --> 01:32:47.183
- the municipal adjusted gross income so right now that's the only outstanding variable but as they release

01:32:47.183 --> 01:32:53.957
- that data we're hoping here in the coming months we're going to update our source material in that portal

01:32:53.957 --> 01:32:58.750
- as well and we'll continue to do so because your must meeting right now is

01:32:59.650 --> 01:33:05.761
- two years in advance of when this even comes into being effective, right? You won't even vote on this

01:33:05.761 --> 01:33:11.812
- until 2028. We're going to continue to update that model and the information and any changes that we

01:33:11.812 --> 01:33:17.804
- may see throughout the next couple sessions in between so that you have the resources that you need

01:33:17.804 --> 01:33:24.574
- to make these crucial decisions because every unit of government is unique and every county is uniquely made to.

01:33:29.218 --> 01:33:35.210
- and safe travels back home. Thank you. Jane, are you going to email us what you have there? I really

01:33:35.210 --> 01:33:41.261
- regret that didn't go on the screen so everyone at home could see it. I will leave that with Kim. And

01:33:41.261 --> 01:33:46.837
- then I will also email Kim my presentation so that you guys can also have that if that works.

01:33:46.837 --> 01:33:49.566
- Sound good? That works. Thank you. Thank you.

01:33:52.834 --> 01:34:02.560
- Next up, we will have another presentation of the sustainability revenue and spending plan. And we have

01:34:02.560 --> 01:34:12.005
- Mr. Greg Garitas from our FSG group here to give us an overview. Hello. Thank you, and good evening.

01:34:12.005 --> 01:34:20.702
- I hope you can endure more now. So in light of how we've been going here, I want to give you

01:34:21.890 --> 01:34:31.725
- this. Take one and pass it around. Kind of a summary of the 2027 budget considerations, and I'm going

01:34:31.725 --> 01:34:41.752
- to focus on these as I go through the sustainability, which it's my understanding you've had it. You've

01:34:41.752 --> 01:34:50.526
- had it for a few weeks, and let me explain. The sustainability is 182 pages of data, okay?

01:34:50.850 --> 01:35:01.116
- The first 152 is a fund-by-fund analysis. After that, you've got a lot of property tax information,

01:35:01.116 --> 01:35:11.485
- you've got a lot of lit information and all kinds of good things. So I keep saying, you know, if you

01:35:11.485 --> 01:35:16.926
- take some time and look through it, there's a lot of

01:35:17.314 --> 01:35:25.666
- fabulous information, either that or put it under your pillow and by osmosis it might sink in or it

01:35:25.666 --> 01:35:34.019
- might give you a crook in the neck. So the summary page here that I put together, I want to go over

01:35:34.019 --> 01:35:42.622
- point one. In the original June 11th version of the sustainability, we used 5 percent growth quotient.

01:35:42.754 --> 01:35:53.565
- As you heard from Jamie, it's been increased to 5.7. It may even go to six. And so that's important

01:35:53.565 --> 01:36:04.700
- to note now. It's our firm belief that you do not go and spend all 5.6, 5.756, because guess what? You

01:36:04.700 --> 01:36:11.294
- won't get that, okay? Because remember, what will happen is,

01:36:11.426 --> 01:36:21.460
- all the tax rates will go up. Everybody will get their maximum levies. And so we're saying at best we'll

01:36:21.460 --> 01:36:31.208
- realize maybe 4%. Okay. And so I'm going to skip down to number three, which is in the sustainability

01:36:31.208 --> 01:36:40.382
- to number three said circuit breaker will increase over 1.3 million. It actually is doing that.

01:36:40.610 --> 01:36:52.921
- and that's a direct result of the 10% and the $300, the lesser of. So on page 152, if you were showing,

01:36:52.921 --> 01:37:04.758
- Kim, if you're playing at home with me, then you will see that, and that shouldn't be too much off,

01:37:04.758 --> 01:37:10.558
- because if you remember, I've been tracking that

01:37:11.106 --> 01:37:20.403
- various versions of the sustainability. We did an estimate. So on page 152, the estimated circuit breaker

01:37:20.403 --> 01:37:29.261
- or the actual circuit breaker for 2026 is going to be $1.5 million, up by $1,316 million. And if you

01:37:29.261 --> 01:37:38.295
- look down at the bottom section, you will see $1,312 million was due to the homestead credit. And that

01:37:38.295 --> 01:37:40.926
- was pretty much real close on

01:37:41.058 --> 01:37:51.661
- to bring your estimate and our estimate that we work together. Okay. But that will continue as you see

01:37:51.661 --> 01:38:02.162
- to grow. And that is exclusive of any school impact that Jamie spoke about. Okay. So stay tuned. That

01:38:02.162 --> 01:38:08.030
- theater is coming near you soon. Okay. And so when I say

01:38:08.194 --> 01:38:19.309
- The 4%, that's what we're initially taking into account. And then you'll see that in the sustainability,

01:38:19.309 --> 01:38:30.107
- I'm gonna jump all the way down to number seven. In the growth factors, what we did, Kim, it's on PDF

01:38:30.107 --> 01:38:38.046
- page six, we used a 2% salary increase. I'm using about two or 3% at most.

01:38:38.146 --> 01:38:46.558
- in all my counties that I'm working in. And so at this point in time, given what we've seen here,

01:38:46.558 --> 01:38:55.227
- we have, we are recommending or using 2%. I consider 2% the total increase. If you want to call that

01:38:55.227 --> 01:39:04.926
- COLA or if you want to call that the overall increase, whatever, but I'm not compounding 2% onto something else.

01:39:05.346 --> 01:39:15.094
- And so I think that's important to know. What we see in the assumptions down here is obviously we see

01:39:15.094 --> 01:39:24.747
- growing, inflation will impact some of the various other expenses. One of the things I think council

01:39:24.747 --> 01:39:34.686
- really needs to concentrate on and bring is when we move the supplies and stuff over to the added fund,

01:39:35.074 --> 01:39:44.172
- The question is going to be, are we going to take a tack where we're going to slowly move that back

01:39:44.172 --> 01:39:53.360
- to the general fund? Or the answer is, as you already heard, the theater is leaving you in 2028. The

01:39:53.360 --> 01:39:58.910
- edit will no longer be at it. It'll be in your overall rate.

01:39:59.042 --> 01:40:11.688
- And remember, in the sustainability, we pinpointed on, I believe, page 182, about 96 basis points. Actually,

01:40:11.688 --> 01:40:23.521
- 96, 167. 96 would be the breakeven of the current LITs, okay? So the question is, do we leave that in

01:40:23.521 --> 01:40:27.582
- at it as we develop our 27 budget?

01:40:27.714 --> 01:40:38.103
- Do we slowly migrate? My point would be if it's in edit and we can right size it before we move it anywhere

01:40:38.103 --> 01:40:48.108
- or keep it in there, let's right size those numbers and then find a permanent home, okay? And so that's

01:40:48.108 --> 01:40:57.054
- quite significant for you to be aware of and take into account not only maybe in 27, but 20,

01:40:57.154 --> 01:41:05.416
- 728 okay keep in mind we go out to 31 in our estimates and keep in mind the county of Monroe has so

01:41:05.416 --> 01:41:13.679
- many things going on with you know the obviously the lit rates what those are going to do with what

01:41:13.679 --> 01:41:22.354
- expansions are going to do or annexations are going to do we have so many things that we're we're trying

01:41:22.354 --> 01:41:25.246
- to accumulate and I did I just got

01:41:25.538 --> 01:41:32.280
- all points bulletin that you're losing a court. So those expenses have not been pulled out of here.

01:41:32.280 --> 01:41:39.021
- I'm used to counties gaining courts. I think Hendricks is going to get the one you're going to lose

01:41:39.021 --> 01:41:45.898
- and we don't want it. So because it's very expensive, another court. So we're estimating maybe 350 to

01:41:45.898 --> 01:41:48.190
- 500,000 might be saved from that.

01:41:50.082 --> 01:42:01.648
- that has not been taken to account. But that's you'll see the court here. There is a significant amount

01:42:01.648 --> 01:42:13.104
- that adds up. I believe I had that pinpointed on page straight before prosecutor. And it takes up over

01:42:13.104 --> 01:42:17.886
- two pages with all the different different

01:42:18.210 --> 01:42:28.525
- items that are in there, both recorders and all those things. So that has to be kind of figured in.

01:42:28.525 --> 01:42:38.943
- Okay. So I heard you ask about the gas tax. What we're estimating when we go to basically when we go

01:42:38.943 --> 01:42:47.710
- to the highway fund, page 106, what we are saying at this point in time, it could be

01:42:47.906 --> 01:42:59.311
- 15 to 20 percent drop in revenue this year. That's based upon our analysis of the revenue and the overall

01:42:59.311 --> 01:43:05.982
- time that's involved. So you can see on the unrestricted fund

01:43:06.178 --> 01:43:15.932
- And the restricted fund, we're getting kind of close in cash balance. So I don't matter of fact on the

01:43:15.932 --> 01:43:25.402
- restricted fund, we go negative in 27. So the budget of 2.6 million that we produced on page 106 is

01:43:25.402 --> 01:43:29.758
- very critical that her your highway engineers

01:43:30.178 --> 01:43:39.619
- estimate on that is going to be very, very critical. And then we've got the non restricted at 4.5. So

01:43:39.619 --> 01:43:49.060
- we have included a reduction in revenue. Now, what I've heard from the state so far is that, yes, the

01:43:49.060 --> 01:43:56.094
- the replacement is being discussed quite heavily. What was obvious, though,

01:43:56.418 --> 01:44:05.494
- is they said they may have to wait and see after year end because they would want to replenish it from

01:44:05.494 --> 01:44:14.659
- surplus funds, not from an additional appropriation. So therefore, we may have to either to supplement,

01:44:14.659 --> 01:44:22.942
- we may have to do, you can do a tax anticipation warrant, usually has to be paid off by 1231.

01:44:23.106 --> 01:44:31.486
- But there's also sometimes you can wait until June 30th. So there may be an inter-fund loan that we

01:44:31.486 --> 01:44:36.766
- have to make if that becomes the reality of the replenishment.

01:44:36.994 --> 01:44:46.047
- I see both restricted and non-restricted. Lisa is going to have challenges in order to move ahead at

01:44:46.047 --> 01:44:55.189
- those levels on the 27 budget. And so what she does in 26 will be very, very important. Okay. I would

01:44:55.189 --> 01:45:02.270
- like to take you now back kind of through some of I will look back here at the

01:45:02.626 --> 01:45:10.851
- planning considerations I put together for you. But I would like to take you through some of the specific

01:45:10.851 --> 01:45:18.610
- lit funds. And I think that's kind of kind of important. All number six has been catching everybody

01:45:18.610 --> 01:45:26.369
- by surprise. We now have to take the building and the planning and building revenue, move it out of

01:45:26.369 --> 01:45:31.102
- the general fund. And yes, you will move out the expenses to

01:45:31.778 --> 01:45:41.522
- and you will set up a separate new fund. So you'll see on page 142, we have a non-numbered fund because

01:45:41.522 --> 01:45:51.172
- the number hasn't even been put together by the State Board of Accounts. They said, yeah, we're gonna,

01:45:51.172 --> 01:45:57.918
- a lot of people misread that statute. It said that it had to be July 1,

01:45:58.402 --> 01:46:07.321
- And that was a misread. Some of the provisions are July 1, but the new fund is January 1. So you will

01:46:07.321 --> 01:46:16.065
- set up a budget for 2027 based upon those expense revenues and expenses. And on page 142, we took a

01:46:16.065 --> 01:46:20.350
- shot at it, read, and you may tell us that we're

01:46:20.546 --> 01:46:30.350
- not correct, but that's okay. We took a shot at it on page 142. We put the revenues and we put the expenses.

01:46:30.350 --> 01:46:39.704
- So what I was pleasantly surprised is on page 142, we had revenue of 1 million and we had approximately

01:46:39.704 --> 01:46:49.598
- 707,000 of expenses. You're actually my first county. I've seen that most of them are behind. In other words,

01:46:49.730 --> 01:46:57.369
- The reason this was done is the Builders Association thinks that counties and cities are getting rich

01:46:57.369 --> 01:47:04.859
- off of building and planning departments and they're subsidizing general fund. And this by no means

01:47:04.859 --> 01:47:12.423
- is showing that, but it also is showing that maybe we have not allocated enough expenses. So keep in

01:47:12.423 --> 01:47:16.318
- mind that then when you raise building permit fees,

01:47:16.610 --> 01:47:24.981
- after July 1, you get one time after five years. But this is the critical financial element that we've

01:47:24.981 --> 01:47:33.270
- got to take into account in 2027. Okay? So that's important to note, too. And so what I'll do is kind

01:47:33.270 --> 01:47:41.559
- of take a little bit of time and go through some of the funds. I know it's getting longer in the day,

01:47:41.559 --> 01:47:45.054
- but let's go to page 60, which is the edit

01:47:45.154 --> 01:47:54.000
- lit fund, and this is the one that, in summary, looks good. As you know, it has a strong cash balance.

01:47:54.000 --> 01:48:03.018
- And as you know, in 2026 is finally when we had expenses allocated to it, and that was the, like I said,

01:48:03.018 --> 01:48:07.742
- most office supplies training, what I call the 3,000s.

01:48:08.258 --> 01:48:16.188
- And the 3000s were put in there along with a contractual highway administration, which meant we had

01:48:16.188 --> 01:48:24.198
- a budget of about four, about $5 million allocated there. That's the one I'm saying you need to take

01:48:24.198 --> 01:48:32.524
- a real good look at. Yeah. Yeah. And so, um, and, and also depending on what we do with capital projects

01:48:32.524 --> 01:48:37.758
- that are on your horizon. Okay. Or maybe not on your horizon, but

01:48:38.338 --> 01:48:52.442
- that. Um, next fund I'd like to go through is 71 71 is kind of in page 71 is kind of important because

01:48:52.442 --> 01:49:07.230
- we have a note there that at this point in time. On 71 we will utilize more than likely the majority of the

01:49:07.426 --> 01:49:16.164
- and we see it going negative in 2027. So you're either going to have to significantly cut that budget,

01:49:16.164 --> 01:49:24.648
- or as I've noted in the footnote, you will need to increase the rate for 2027. So what page is that

01:49:24.648 --> 01:49:33.387
- on? Page 71. Thank you. Sure. So page 71. Now, let me also give you an all points bulletin that if you

01:49:33.387 --> 01:49:37.374
- are talking about rearranging any of your LITs

01:49:37.922 --> 01:49:46.095
- not in 28, we're not even going there yet. And right now, 427, okay, you have to give notice to your

01:49:46.095 --> 01:49:53.702
- underlying taxing districts by August 1 that you may look at it. It's a may look at it, okay?

01:49:53.702 --> 01:50:01.876
- It's not a, I'm gonna put this here or that here or that, it's a may look at it. So be aware of that

01:50:01.876 --> 01:50:06.974
- because you don't wanna miss that deadline, okay? And this is,

01:50:07.234 --> 01:50:18.108
- one of those, you may want to look at it, okay, and kind of go from there. Questions on that? Okay.

01:50:18.108 --> 01:50:29.090
- If not, let's go to 139, page 139, which is another lit fund. And on this one, this is the, and I'll

01:50:29.090 --> 01:50:35.614
- make sure I do it right this time, it is the summary of the

01:50:35.842 --> 01:50:46.051
- PSAP Lit Fund 4933, okay? And so what you'll see here is this one is fine. It's looking good at this

01:50:46.051 --> 01:50:56.260
- point in time. Notice that each of them have a footnote which says discontinues in 29, but we assume

01:50:56.260 --> 01:51:03.134
- you will have a replacement rate for the revenue. Now we, you know,

01:51:03.522 --> 01:51:12.643
- A lot of things are going to take place with adjustments to lit now and when it is enacted in 28 for

01:51:12.643 --> 01:51:21.765
- 29 could even be 29 30. A commissioner asked me this morning in Hendricks County what happens if the

01:51:21.765 --> 01:51:31.518
- state can't come up with all these areas of income, then you know more than likely it will get pushed back.

01:51:31.682 --> 01:51:40.238
- So, you know, there's a lot of things to do between now and there, now and then. The only thing that

01:51:40.238 --> 01:51:48.879
- really is most significant is the Muskirt. And that's where I'm working with Hendrix and Hancock, and

01:51:48.879 --> 01:51:57.351
- we're going to be facilitating those discussions, and we propose to help you, too, and so something

01:51:57.351 --> 01:52:01.502
- you might want to keep in mind as we go forward.

01:52:01.602 --> 01:52:11.831
- 142 is the new building. I won't go through that. But 145 is the other lit, and that is the public safety

01:52:11.831 --> 01:52:21.771
- lit. That is the Bloomington Fund 151 also. And that looks great, too, as operating balance looks like

01:52:21.771 --> 01:52:25.342
- our projections for the 2027 budget.

01:52:25.442 --> 01:52:33.699
- is 8.3, which is right at revenue. What we're finding out is a lot of PSAPs have their new contracts

01:52:33.699 --> 01:52:41.712
- coming up. They're also having expiration of consoles and consoles are running about 350, 350,000

01:52:41.712 --> 01:52:49.887
- per console. So you add that up and that becomes a significant capital outlay. So that may be where

01:52:49.887 --> 01:52:54.302
- we want, where we'll need to put some of that surplus

01:52:54.594 --> 01:53:03.786
- if needed. So in Hendricks County, we went ahead and renegotiated and accelerated the AT&T, and we're

01:53:03.786 --> 01:53:12.977
- saving about a half a million dollars. So that's something to really be aware of when that happens or

01:53:12.977 --> 01:53:22.079
- when that's coming up. And those opportunities can help you save taxpayer dollars, which is what I'm

01:53:22.079 --> 01:53:23.070
- all about.

01:53:24.482 --> 01:53:32.769
- Yes, Marty, did you have one point? I heard Chief Decoff mentioned that the city might have their own

01:53:32.769 --> 01:53:40.975
- central dispatch. So and I would think through interlocal agreements or whatever we would determine,

01:53:40.975 --> 01:53:49.425
- there may already be something in law that says who gets the equipment that is there. So I think that's

01:53:49.425 --> 01:53:53.406
- something we have to take a real hard look at to

01:53:53.858 --> 01:54:01.509
- before we start replacing equipment or see who's going to end up with equipment, because I think all

01:54:01.509 --> 01:54:09.387
- that's being moved. Makes total sense. Just to throw that in as to make sure we all have something else

01:54:09.387 --> 01:54:17.114
- to worry about. And so then the final one is don't forget about the ARPA fund. I'm sure you know that

01:54:17.114 --> 01:54:23.326
- we have six months now to spend it. It must leave the county coffers by 1231, OK?

01:54:23.458 --> 01:54:32.985
- And the last thing you want to do is have an IOU to the federal government because they're calling on

01:54:32.985 --> 01:54:42.419
- them really quick. So that's important. So again, 167 was our estimated lit impact, page 167 of .96.

01:54:42.419 --> 01:54:46.622
- So I know I went through it kind of quickly.

01:54:47.202 --> 01:54:55.216
- And, you know, but I'm trying to, you know, stay on course here. And so I'd love to take any questions

01:54:55.216 --> 01:55:03.075
- we ask Bree and Molly if there was any written in questions beforehand and come in and there wasn't.

01:55:03.075 --> 01:55:11.090
- And, but if you, Peter, I'm sure you've got some great questions. Well, let's look at council. Who has

01:55:11.090 --> 01:55:13.502
- the lead off question for FSG?

01:55:17.442 --> 01:55:24.394
- Remember, there's not too many things I don't know about your, I know a lot about your finances and

01:55:24.394 --> 01:55:31.555
- exactly where you're at. Let me break the ice. Could we go to page 133? That is self-insurance. That's

01:55:31.555 --> 01:55:38.576
- something that I'm particularly worried about at our upcoming long-term finance meeting. We're going

01:55:38.576 --> 01:55:45.598
- to be talking about this and I think it's worth looking at what you all did. Again, that's page 133.

01:55:46.402 --> 01:55:55.773
- Yeah, and I think, keep in mind, this is our self-insurance fund where we bring in and we bring out,

01:55:55.773 --> 01:56:05.331
- we take in and pay out. And I think, Bree, I don't recall, what were we going to be using for 2027 per

01:56:05.331 --> 01:56:15.166
- employee? Michelle, is it 16,000? For 2027, right now we're budgeting 18. We're asking everyone to do 18.

01:56:15.298 --> 01:56:23.713
- but I have spoken with Angie Purdy and she believes that number will be lower. And the 26 number was

01:56:23.713 --> 01:56:32.045
- 16, five, 16, five. Okay. And so what we did is I think we did use the percentage increase of about

01:56:32.045 --> 01:56:40.710
- 10% to factor in. So that percentage would be a little different, but not too far off. And so I do like

01:56:40.710 --> 01:56:43.710
- the fact that if you can keep about

01:56:44.162 --> 01:56:52.724
- three million, three and a half, which this kind of shows, that would be an excellent level. And this

01:56:52.724 --> 01:57:01.285
- is our only reserve fund, right, for self-insurance. Okay, I'm still a firm believer that we can have

01:57:01.285 --> 01:57:10.267
- a separate fund and we can have it separately set aside. We just can't call it rainy day, but it's implied

01:57:10.267 --> 01:57:11.358
- within here.

01:57:14.690 --> 01:57:22.085
- It's just really interesting to see that the numbers just go up, the ending balance just year after

01:57:22.085 --> 01:57:29.183
- year just goes up and up and up, and I think that's exactly what's gonna happen. So, all right,

01:57:29.183 --> 01:57:37.096
- thank you. Any other questions from council? You stumped them. Well, maybe they've heard too many numbers,

01:57:37.096 --> 01:57:44.638
- but go ahead, Kate, did you have something? Yeah, please. I have a lot of questions, and I'm kind of,

01:57:44.834 --> 01:57:52.763
- I've kind of hit a point where I'm a little overwhelmed, I have to admit. So I reserve the right to

01:57:52.763 --> 01:58:01.009
- ask questions of our auditor who will ask you if she doesn't know. Yeah, or I'm literally this is like,

01:58:01.009 --> 01:58:08.542
- I don't know, I don't want to look like an idiot, but my brain is kind of exploding right now.

01:58:08.770 --> 01:58:16.739
- You know, I would always offer that we could do an hour teams meeting for anyone with specific questions

01:58:16.739 --> 01:58:24.328
- with the auditor's office. And, you know, because, yeah, you had so much before me and then there's

01:58:24.328 --> 01:58:31.614
- so much in here. And that's why I tried to give you this summary thing to kind of say heads up.

01:58:32.290 --> 01:58:39.670
- Here's where we're going. Yeah, but I'd be more than happy to do a Sub meeting like that or something

01:58:39.670 --> 01:58:47.121
- the you know, trap travel and things like we can do it very efficiently I think over teams if you want

01:58:47.121 --> 01:58:54.501
- that might be something that we I Might have an alternative suggestion We have an LTF meeting on June

01:58:54.501 --> 01:59:01.374
- 30th if we could maybe have mr. Garitas appear virtually for LTF and then any questions at all

01:59:01.634 --> 01:59:09.771
- could be posed at that LTF meeting on the 30th. What time is that meeting? 1 30. Okay, I will need to

01:59:09.771 --> 01:59:17.269
- check with my staff. I do know July 1. Yeah, I'll need it because staff controls my schedule.

01:59:17.269 --> 01:59:25.486
- But if you know, I could take an hour or something after that meeting you're thinking or before. I was

01:59:25.486 --> 01:59:30.910
- thinking during the meeting. Okay, it's a pretty full agenda. Okay.

01:59:31.842 --> 01:59:40.244
- So let's work it out with your calendar. Perfect. Yes. Thank you. Thanks again for all the good stuff

01:59:40.244 --> 01:59:48.729
- here. I guess the question I've got tonight kind of goes back to the previous presentation. We've made

01:59:48.729 --> 01:59:53.342
- assumptions in these presentations about the annexation

01:59:54.562 --> 02:00:00.478
- of the county by the city of Lewington that seems to be resolved in courts now. So that's a variable

02:00:00.478 --> 02:00:06.335
- that we can set aside. But then we did talk tonight about another variable, which is this merger of

02:00:06.335 --> 02:00:12.426
- Richland Township and Ellitsville, if that prevails at the ballot box. That is 15,000-ish citizens that

02:00:12.426 --> 02:00:18.284
- come off our roles in the county. I guess, because the projection here, we're assuming we have that

02:00:18.284 --> 02:00:20.158
- population. I've heard in other

02:00:20.322 --> 02:00:26.192
- You bodies I'm on on behalf of the council, like the plan commission, members of plan commission are

02:00:26.192 --> 02:00:32.179
- already starting to ask questions about the cost of policing that township if we're no longer required

02:00:32.179 --> 02:00:38.398
- to, if that's a municipality. And so do you have a, and I know this is on, you know, I'm not expecting it.

02:00:39.106 --> 02:00:45.583
- answer here, but we have this depressor that might be hitting us, not a small number of people that

02:00:45.583 --> 02:00:52.255
- will be in a municipality instead of the county where that revenue will shift. I mean, do you have any

02:00:52.255 --> 02:00:58.797
- initial thoughts about that and what that could look like for these counties or these townships that

02:00:58.797 --> 02:01:05.598
- are merging? No, not off the top of my head at this point in time, but you would hope that there will be

02:01:05.730 --> 02:01:15.673
- some cost savings to the county. Do I believe it will move the dial? Probably not. Okay. Will it slow

02:01:15.673 --> 02:01:25.812
- the pace? Possibly. Okay. And so I think that's where it will come down. Something like having one less

02:01:25.812 --> 02:01:34.878
- court can be very significant. And that's probably more important than the shift that you're

02:01:35.330 --> 02:01:41.987
- bringing but the cost of service from a from a public safety standpoint you would think would decrease

02:01:41.987 --> 02:01:48.450
- but there's also other factors that increase it and kind of offset. I'll just follow up briefly say

02:01:48.450 --> 02:01:54.978
- yeah it's really granular right because for every road we're not paving or plowing the cost is going

02:01:54.978 --> 02:02:01.765
- up on the inflation is going up on it anyway so it's similar to you know the number of deputies we would

02:02:01.765 --> 02:02:04.350
- need for that jurisdiction to police or

02:02:04.546 --> 02:02:13.052
- any number of things. So I appreciate that comment, that however marginal it might be, we're going to

02:02:13.052 --> 02:02:21.392
- see the inflation at the other end. It would be nice to know. It's probably pocket change, I guess,

02:02:21.392 --> 02:02:29.899
- but there you go. Thank you. I'd just rather be back on that concern. It's also what we are budgeting

02:02:29.899 --> 02:02:32.734
- in our storm water, because if we

02:02:33.058 --> 02:02:42.055
- now receive revenue, stormwater revenue, for the people of Richland Township. And there's several projects

02:02:42.055 --> 02:02:50.799
- in that area that one might look at. However, we will no longer be receiving those funds if this merger

02:02:50.799 --> 02:02:59.039
- goes through. And so our budgeting process, while it's not a part of the frozen levy or anything,

02:02:59.039 --> 02:03:02.654
- it's a fee, but we will be receiving less.

02:03:02.786 --> 02:03:11.111
- if this merger goes through. So I think that's something else we have to keep an eye on. But my question

02:03:11.111 --> 02:03:19.515
- before that was, I heard you say something about, if I understood it correctly, so much to learn tonight,

02:03:19.515 --> 02:03:27.999
- considering no more than like a 2% increase in personnel costs. Now, that would include numbers of people.

02:03:27.999 --> 02:03:31.646
- Whatever that 2% would be, would be if you've

02:03:31.746 --> 02:03:41.384
- hire more people that will get into that 2% if you, for whatever reason, or are you also counting benefits

02:03:41.384 --> 02:03:50.481
- if the insurance cost goes up? Is that a part of that too? Explain to me what you meant by 2%. Okay,

02:03:50.481 --> 02:03:56.606
- 2% payroll increase in general on all employees is what we assumed.

02:03:58.850 --> 02:04:09.150
- Okay, and did you take in consideration also that 2% would that be for grant funds or?

02:04:09.666 --> 02:04:17.626
- No, I didn't on that because most of the grant funds Marty you're not in counselor Hawk is not within

02:04:17.626 --> 02:04:25.820
- this document and so no those would have to stand on their own with the grant Okay, but generally that's

02:04:25.820 --> 02:04:33.780
- where we came out. Obviously. Yes, we assume Perf and those would go up but that's not part of the 2%

02:04:33.780 --> 02:04:37.214
- and again, I mean we've cautioned immensely

02:04:37.890 --> 02:04:49.408
- hiring new people as we go forward just is tough. And keep in mind, that all has to be made up then

02:04:49.408 --> 02:05:00.927
- when you get to the lit reckoning in 28, 29. So I just, unless it's needed, my answer is, let's not

02:05:00.927 --> 02:05:05.534
- do it. And the other thing I wanted to,

02:05:05.634 --> 02:05:13.750
- make sure, and maybe it was in the document someplace and I missed it, was recognizing that we put the

02:05:13.750 --> 02:05:21.866
- jail medical contract, a big portion of it over into that jail lit fund, and was that like 1.5 million

02:05:21.866 --> 02:05:29.745
- or something like that? Yeah, you and I have talked about that before, and it's probably on page 69

02:05:29.745 --> 02:05:31.006
- if we go there.

02:05:31.170 --> 02:05:40.232
- and I think you're right for some reason I do remember at that level but we could find out exactly and

02:05:40.232 --> 02:05:49.382
- I think it's let's see 60. The question I'm asking is are you anticipating that we try to put that back

02:05:49.382 --> 02:05:50.526
- into general

02:05:50.722 --> 02:05:59.473
- Because that would be way difficult. No, I did not assume that. I wanted it to be in the jail lit because

02:05:59.473 --> 02:06:07.975
- I wanted to make sure there was always a home for that contract dollar amount. So that's why you moved

02:06:07.975 --> 02:06:16.478
- it over there. But it is simply because we budgeted so high for all the others that we had to put that

02:06:16.478 --> 02:06:20.606
- someplace. I did not move it to the general fund.

02:06:20.770 --> 02:06:31.220
- It's on page 70. Oh, 70? Yep. 70 is not the jail lit. That's what I'm looking at that I got on the screen.

02:06:31.220 --> 02:06:41.475
- Oh, correctional facility lit. Sorry. I was thinking the, yeah, I was on the other. So it's 1.6 million,

02:06:41.475 --> 02:06:46.846
- 1675. And that is the one where if we have the summary

02:06:47.330 --> 02:06:58.649
- Let's go to the summary on that. So four million out of the eight million in revenue, the summaries

02:06:58.649 --> 02:07:10.307
- on page 68, that still can stay there and we have kept it there. Okay, for future periods until you're

02:07:10.307 --> 02:07:15.966
- lit changes. And we actually grew it at over 10%.

02:07:16.162 --> 02:07:25.582
- because medical costs, I'm hearing from all the different hospitals, which we talked to directly, and

02:07:25.582 --> 02:07:34.818
- it's going up significantly. I just have, I wanna go back to edit really quickly. If memory serves,

02:07:34.818 --> 02:07:43.038
- I believe you were accounting for an increase in the edit budget, is that correct? So I,

02:07:43.202 --> 02:07:57.735
- In 2027, we show, Kim, I'm on page 60. I showed that the edit increase would go to, I believe, 6.8,

02:07:57.735 --> 02:08:10.814
- but let me, the grand total was, yeah, going from 5 million to 6.8, and part of that was,

02:08:11.170 --> 02:08:20.681
- the principal, we started putting in principle and interest on the debt, future debt of the future project.

02:08:20.681 --> 02:08:29.663
- And we employed that within here for 2027. So, and it was a small payment, small, it was 1.6 million.

02:08:29.663 --> 02:08:38.469
- That's the bulk of what increased in that. And for 27. So- That's only half a year, right? That was

02:08:38.469 --> 02:08:40.318
- only for six months?

02:08:40.482 --> 02:08:48.008
- probably even less than a half a year, that was because the full payment was going to be around 5.8.

02:08:48.008 --> 02:08:55.534
- So it was probably a partial payment or quarterly payment. Remember, when you do a new facility, you

02:08:55.534 --> 02:09:03.135
- basically do your interest only, and that would be interest only. So during that period of time until

02:09:03.135 --> 02:09:09.022
- you occupy the building. Remember, I went over that in the different finances.

02:09:11.970 --> 02:09:18.109
- We've got it all right here. Be careful. Like I said, there's a tremendous amount. I'm going to do this

02:09:18.109 --> 02:09:24.129
- because we really need to wrap up. I'll take the final two. I'll go back to the auditor and Councilor

02:09:24.129 --> 02:09:30.208
- Wilts and then Councilor Iverson, and then we'll move on to the next agenda item. I'll be really quick

02:09:30.208 --> 02:09:36.111
- just to finish my thought. I just want and I know we're all very much aware of this, but we'll have

02:09:36.111 --> 02:09:41.246
- to work with the commission to update the plan if we do plan to utilize the edit fund.

02:09:44.258 --> 02:09:53.438
- And you mean the commissioners. Yeah. Okay. Um, so I had a question. I had several from just looking

02:09:53.438 --> 02:10:02.981
- at the document itself before my brain exploded this evening. And just on the very, um, front page where

02:10:02.981 --> 02:10:12.342
- you had comments and recommendations, um, you indicated if there are two things first, well, I'm going

02:10:12.342 --> 02:10:13.342
- backwards.

02:10:13.506 --> 02:10:22.575
- for me is future interest revenue to the county should be considered for the 2027 budget. What do you

02:10:22.575 --> 02:10:31.822
- mean? Well, if you go to the revenues specifically in the general fund, and I should have probably what

02:10:31.822 --> 02:10:41.246
- it should have noted this, but on page 10, Kim, we're you are depended on 6.3 million of interest income.

02:10:41.378 --> 02:10:53.133
- in building what we've built in 2027, okay? The 26, we use the same number that's in the 26 budget of

02:10:53.133 --> 02:11:04.772
- 6.3. You've had as high as 8.8 and 7 million, but what I see is the vulnerability of 6 million right

02:11:04.772 --> 02:11:06.270
- there, okay?

02:11:06.370 --> 02:11:15.288
- Will the 6 million go to zero? No. Well, you know, you and we've all talked and I brought this up several

02:11:15.288 --> 02:11:24.122
- times that the interest rate should be decreasing at the Fed level. It didn't occur as fast as one we're

02:11:24.122 --> 02:11:31.358
- thinking. And so we have still projected on page 10 a decrease from 6.3 to 4 million.

02:11:31.554 --> 02:11:40.559
- this typical county and every county, they're holding on and if they see their cash balances building

02:11:40.559 --> 02:11:49.740
- in any recent year and they say, well, the projection in the sustainability was it would go down. Well,

02:11:49.740 --> 02:11:57.950
- yes, yet most of the time it is made up from two elements. Number one, your supplemental lit

02:11:58.146 --> 02:12:08.612
- of 1.7, that is also on page 10, and your interest income. So supplemental lit in 28 and 29 will be

02:12:08.612 --> 02:12:19.077
- gone. We included a small amount, half of it, in 27, but your interest income will also likely fall

02:12:19.077 --> 02:12:25.566
- off in the future. And that is because of interest rates, not

02:12:26.210 --> 02:12:36.723
- volume of cash at this point in time. I'm down quite a bit as we've spent our money. So yeah, yeah,

02:12:36.723 --> 02:12:47.656
- exactly. The last question is on policy and recommendation number four on page five. You recommend that

02:12:47.656 --> 02:12:53.438
- we create or update our target fund balance resolution

02:12:53.634 --> 02:13:02.462
- And as I'm going through the different summaries for the different funds, is it your recommendation

02:13:02.462 --> 02:13:11.466
- that we use a target fund or a minimum balance? I still believe it's a target fund balance, you know,

02:13:11.466 --> 02:13:20.382
- and that's a target. And, you know, I believe, didn't our resolution have both a target and minimum?

02:13:21.154 --> 02:13:27.807
- one year it did and then we revert it to one. So I'd have to look at. Okay. I would like to have a,

02:13:27.807 --> 02:13:34.460
- you know, a minimum when we got into it with, uh, the highway department, she said, I wouldn't want

02:13:34.460 --> 02:13:41.113
- it at that low of minimum. I would, you know, want to target this level on an annual basis. And the

02:13:41.113 --> 02:13:43.774
- whole point is not to have a fine wine.

02:13:44.098 --> 02:13:51.580
- review it each and every year, especially that's a standard and poor standard operating procedure. Okay,

02:13:51.580 --> 02:13:58.705
- it's reviewed every year and we set, you know, we set a target that we would, and we explained that

02:13:58.705 --> 02:14:05.973
- that target is something that we're trying to not go below in these funds, but in the rainy day fund,

02:14:05.973 --> 02:14:10.462
- we're gonna try and target X amount and keep it at that, okay?

02:14:10.722 --> 02:14:17.798
- So I hope that answers your question. It's a fine line between the two. It does. And let me just make

02:14:17.798 --> 02:14:25.221
- a quick point. As liaisons on this day, as they're about to go out and meet with the different departments

02:14:25.221 --> 02:14:32.228
- to review the budgets that they're going to submit, that's going to be a helpful tool. In looking at

02:14:32.228 --> 02:14:39.235
- the resolution, we do have a minimum cash balance. So minimum, not target. Right. So will one revert

02:14:39.235 --> 02:14:39.998
- to target?

02:14:46.754 --> 02:14:55.749
- Okay, thank you very much. Yes, thank you. I'll yield the rest of my time back. Behind you would appreciate

02:14:55.749 --> 02:15:04.245
- that. Okay. All right. Thank you so much. Next up on the agenda is our last presentation that we have

02:15:04.245 --> 02:15:12.990
- are the good folks that are helping us with our superior Travis great committee. We have citizen members

02:15:13.314 --> 02:15:20.814
- Um, Julie Robertson and our new member, um, Katie Hopkins, and they will be able to go over, um,

02:15:20.814 --> 02:15:28.777
- some things. Um, this is, like I said, uh, Katie's first time. However, two years have gone by really,

02:15:28.777 --> 02:15:36.508
- really fast and Ms. Robertson, this is it. So we appreciate your service with us. It was fun times,

02:15:36.508 --> 02:15:40.606
- especially last year, but this year was even better.

02:15:40.738 --> 02:15:47.559
- Um, and then again, I want to mention that we have council members, uh, Decker, vital and myself that

02:15:47.559 --> 02:15:54.380
- are the appointed ones to the committee. This past year we had, or recently we actually moved up, um,

02:15:54.380 --> 02:16:01.135
- the Sophia Travis grant committee applications, uh, that actually seemed to work well for everybody,

02:16:01.135 --> 02:16:05.214
- especially because we weren't bumping up against, um, budget

02:16:05.410 --> 02:16:13.823
- deadlines and budget timelines, I should say. And so we were able to do that. And this year we have

02:16:13.823 --> 02:16:22.236
- 43 applicants and that totaled over $303,000 worth of ask. However, our little money that we had to

02:16:22.236 --> 02:16:30.649
- allocate this year was 190,000. So I'll give it back to you all to kick it off. And if you all want

02:16:30.649 --> 02:16:34.014
- to say anything about your experiences,

02:16:34.146 --> 02:16:41.742
- before we dive deep into our award recipients. Sure. So I'm Julie Robertson. This is my second year

02:16:41.742 --> 02:16:49.718
- with the Sophia Travis Grant Committee, my last year, my last meeting. And like Ms. Crossley said, these

02:16:49.718 --> 02:16:57.467
- two years flew by fast. This was a great experience for me. It's right up my alley with what I do and

02:16:57.467 --> 02:16:58.910
- my passion is with

02:16:59.138 --> 02:17:06.499
- with the community and raising money to help others. And I really appreciated the opportunity to serve

02:17:06.499 --> 02:17:13.717
- on this commission. And I'm Katie Hopkins. And yeah, this is my first round at this. These were very

02:17:13.717 --> 02:17:21.078
- difficult to look through. There's so many great proposals and ideas. And we are just so lucky to live

02:17:21.078 --> 02:17:26.366
- in a community where people care so much. And I feel very fortunate to be

02:17:26.722 --> 02:17:32.922
- working with y'all and figuring out how to allocate that the best way possible. So we're getting ready

02:17:32.922 --> 02:17:39.002
- to give you a lot of numbers. You've had a lot of numbers tonight, but these are going to be numbers

02:17:39.002 --> 02:17:45.022
- that are going to be good for your ears and not bad for your ears. Moving forward. Again, I'm Julie

02:17:45.022 --> 02:17:48.574
- Robertson, and this is my fellow citizen committee member.

02:17:48.674 --> 02:17:55.359
- Kay Hopkins, and we are here on behalf of the committee to present the 2026 Sophia Travis Community

02:17:55.359 --> 02:18:02.111
- Services Grant Award recommendations to the council. After much thought and discussion, we recommend

02:18:02.111 --> 02:18:08.997
- the following applicants receive these totals for their projects. And with this house, for residential

02:18:08.997 --> 02:18:15.950
- food, this is for food for their residents while they're there receiving treatment in their facilities,

02:18:15.950 --> 02:18:17.086
- $5,300. Artisan,

02:18:17.346 --> 02:18:25.681
- Artist Adjutant. This is what's called Rovers Kickoff Shows. It's a series of events which deliver all

02:18:25.681 --> 02:18:33.935
- ages live music performances. And we recommend $2,100. The Auxiliary to the Boys and Girls Club. This

02:18:33.935 --> 02:18:42.350
- is for the Cresmont Special Snack Program. It's a Friday meal that's sufficient enough for them to take

02:18:42.350 --> 02:18:46.558
- food home on the weekends. And we recommend $2,000.

02:18:47.138 --> 02:18:54.948
- Big Brothers, Big Sisters. This is what's called the Big and Little Adventure Connection Print and App

02:18:54.948 --> 02:19:03.288
- Tools to update the Big and Little Adventure Book, which is a guided mentoring workbook for the participants.

02:19:03.288 --> 02:19:11.477
- We recommend $4,900. Blooming Arts. This is a scholarship fund for young actors in the Once Upon a Mattress

02:19:11.477 --> 02:19:16.254
- production. We recommend $2,800. The Cooperative Living Group.

02:19:16.354 --> 02:19:24.090
- digital outreach that includes a website redesign and a social media campaign, we recommend $1,000.

02:19:24.090 --> 02:19:32.135
- Boys and Girls Club of Bloomington. This is for their summer field trips program at the club to support

02:19:32.135 --> 02:19:39.948
- kids receiving scholarships for their field trips. And that's $8,600. Cancer Support Community, food

02:19:39.948 --> 02:19:45.982
- and transportation assistance for cancer patients, we recommend $4,020. CASA.

02:19:46.082 --> 02:19:54.627
- Project Stop It Now. It's an initiative to implement community-wide child sexual abuse prevention training.

02:19:54.627 --> 02:20:03.171
- We recommend $2,500. Catholic Charities for Affordable Therapy, we recommend $3,400. Center for Sustainable

02:20:03.171 --> 02:20:11.400
- Living for Environmental Remediation and Safety Improvements for the Community Greenhouse, we recommend

02:20:11.400 --> 02:20:13.694
- $3,140. Chamber of Commerce.

02:20:14.402 --> 02:20:23.260
- for our career crews at the Career Exploration Event for Students, we recommend $2,200. CJAM, Expanding

02:20:23.260 --> 02:20:32.117
- Volunteer-Led Eviction Mediation Services, we recommend $2,340. Community Culture Inc. for Bob's Garden

02:20:32.117 --> 02:20:41.145
- to Establish Infrastructure Within the Garden, $3,420. Community Kitchen, Food for All, this is essential

02:20:41.145 --> 02:20:44.126
- food funding, we recommend $9,240.

02:20:44.642 --> 02:20:53.276
- Courage to Change Sober Living. Welcome Home Kits, which helps for supplies for new residents and drug

02:20:53.276 --> 02:21:01.993
- testing for their participants. $2,660. El Centro Comuno Latino. Rent and utility assistance for Latino

02:21:01.993 --> 02:21:07.358
- community members. We recommend $5,000. First Christian Church.

02:21:08.098 --> 02:21:15.150
- Welcome table breakfast and a Sunday meal program, we recommend $5,600. First Presbyterian

02:21:15.150 --> 02:21:22.899
- Church, Bloomington Severe Winter Emergency Shelter Services, $10,060. Girls Rock Bloomington, this

02:21:22.899 --> 02:21:31.190
- is a summer camp for youth ages eight to 14 years of age, we recommend $4,900. Harmony School, for Harmony

02:21:31.190 --> 02:21:36.382
- School performance tech upgrade in their gym, we recommend $2,200.

02:21:39.362 --> 02:21:46.722
- We have Healing Hands for the Nourishing Neighbors Produce Project. They were going to be purchasing

02:21:46.722 --> 02:21:54.009
- fresh veggies and fruits for their food pantry. We recommend 3,800. Hoosier Trails Council, Growing

02:21:54.009 --> 02:22:01.296
- Scouting in Monroe County by establishing a new Cub Scout Pack in Monroe County in October of 2026.

02:22:01.296 --> 02:22:08.510
- We're recommending 2,600. Hoosiers Feeding the Hungry. This is a Monroe County 4-H livestock sale,

02:22:08.738 --> 02:22:17.637
- Project for Meat Processing for Local Hunger Relief, 11,400. Limestone Media, a project called Climate

02:22:17.637 --> 02:22:26.622
- Change. What's the atmosphere like here? It is media coverage of environmental impacts caused by Monroe

02:22:26.622 --> 02:22:32.670
- County, and we are recommending 980. Lotus Blossoms Artist, goodness.

02:22:32.898 --> 02:22:39.641
- Residency and World Bazaar will cover the artist fees We're recommending two thousand two hundred and

02:22:39.641 --> 02:22:46.846
- fifty middle way house This is for decreasing transportation barriers for survivors of violence by providing

02:22:46.846 --> 02:22:53.655
- bus tickets gas cards and rideshare credits one thousand five hundred a middle way house collaborative

02:22:53.655 --> 02:23:00.398
- CPR trainings cost of the CPR B town instructor materials and certification fees That's five thousand

02:23:00.398 --> 02:23:01.918
- one hundred and twenty

02:23:03.426 --> 02:23:11.372
- Sports cupboard, MHC education programming. This is for the purchase of supplies for free kitchen programs.

02:23:11.372 --> 02:23:18.803
- And we're recommending 5,500. My sister's closet, providing a secure resource for women. This is for

02:23:18.803 --> 02:23:26.602
- their security system. And their new building, 2,080. And then New Hope for families, the New Hope family

02:23:26.602 --> 02:23:33.150
- shelter summer camp. This is to help with full daycare through the summer. That's 7,400.

02:23:34.338 --> 02:23:43.522
- New Leaf New Life, Stability and Motion, Rent Assistance for Sober Living and Transportation, 5,860.

02:23:43.522 --> 02:23:52.615
- Next we have PALS. They have a program called Stable Futures After School, which is a workforce and

02:23:52.615 --> 02:24:01.708
- skill development program, recommending 5,100. Pantry 279 is for nutritional food for food insecure

02:24:01.708 --> 02:24:04.254
- families, 13,000. Pathways,

02:24:04.482 --> 02:24:12.596
- My First Library, providing books to children in the Compass Program, 2,400. Pathways to Cross-Cultural

02:24:12.596 --> 02:24:20.867
- Understanding, Bridging Borders, a visual dialogue on global youth perspectives. This will provide global

02:24:20.867 --> 02:24:28.747
- perspectives and connections to educate youth, 2,460. Reimagining Opera for Kids, the 2026-27 season

02:24:28.747 --> 02:24:31.166
- of Reimagining Opera for Kids,

02:24:31.298 --> 02:24:40.880
- This will help with production costs, $1,300. Sobremesa, increasing locally grown nutritious food by

02:24:40.880 --> 02:24:50.841
- purchasing food preservation equipment, $6,400. Stone Belt, CPR first aid training for Stone Belt staff,

02:24:50.841 --> 02:25:01.182
- $5,240. Suzy's Place, this is for internship opportunities and will be used for providing an intern stipend.

02:25:01.378 --> 02:25:13.606
- 4,100. Tandem. Tandem essentials such as rent, utilities, and other necessities. 11,090. And Wonderlab.

02:25:13.606 --> 02:25:24.894
- This is for social service visits, and we are recommending 3,040. Thank you very much for that.

02:25:29.698 --> 02:25:36.805
- Council, I move to approve resolution 2026-24, adopting the committee's 2026 Sophia Travis

02:25:36.805 --> 02:25:44.693
- award recommendations as presented for a total award distribution of $190,000. Second. All right, we

02:25:44.693 --> 02:25:52.504
- got a motion and a second. I will look to council members to see if anybody has any questions. Yes,

02:25:52.504 --> 02:25:57.502
- Councilor Henry. Thank you, and thank you for the presentation.

02:25:57.634 --> 02:26:05.106
- So I can understand administratively how things went this year. So we moved the period up, right, for

02:26:05.106 --> 02:26:12.579
- applications. Do we let previous applicants know, like is there like a notice that goes out to, okay,

02:26:12.579 --> 02:26:20.490
- I'm just curious. That's not an accusation, just scratching the chair. And is the count of total recipients

02:26:20.490 --> 02:26:27.230
- down this year or compared, so do we know the numbers year over year, like how down we are?

02:26:27.458 --> 02:26:35.210
- We had 42-3 last year, and that's what we've got this year. So we had several that didn't apply this

02:26:35.210 --> 02:26:42.425
- year, but we had several new ones this year. So our numbers are almost identical with regards

02:26:42.425 --> 02:26:50.100
- to applications. Thank you. And usually, to answer your question, there is an extensive staff reach

02:26:50.100 --> 02:26:54.014
- out to everybody, and then we have a huge kickoff.

02:26:54.370 --> 02:27:01.065
- where we do a presentation and staff does a presentation of how we'll do it. We've been doing this for

02:27:01.065 --> 02:27:07.696
- the past few years, and it's usually pretty full in here. And then if anybody has any questions, they

02:27:07.696 --> 02:27:14.261
- can ask it, or they can go back and watch the recordings. Thank you. And we do a lot of social media

02:27:14.261 --> 02:27:20.762
- with regards to Facebook. We put all of our stuff on Facebook, and we also put it on our website so

02:27:20.762 --> 02:27:23.102
- that people can get the information

02:27:23.330 --> 02:27:30.798
- from Facebook or the website. Welcome. Any other questions? Yes, Councilor Decker. First, I want to

02:27:30.798 --> 02:27:38.566
- thank our two citizen appointees on here for your leadership and for doing this wild thing with us that

02:27:38.566 --> 02:27:46.706
- actually is a very rewarding but wild thing that we do. And the cool thing, and I said this in our committee

02:27:46.706 --> 02:27:51.934
- meeting, but the cool thing is the numbers that you see there reflect

02:27:53.058 --> 02:28:00.357
- coming together and hitting an average within the guidelines and kind of what they think we should do

02:28:00.357 --> 02:28:07.584
- with these dollars. And it truly works out. It's one of the wildest things of all that with all this

02:28:07.584 --> 02:28:14.883
- input we get from the folks applying, doing this partnership to all this, we get these numbers. These

02:28:14.883 --> 02:28:22.110
- numbers come together and it actually represents probably one of the largest community participatory

02:28:22.242 --> 02:28:29.208
- things from this many organizations in such a seamless way. And it's one of the best pieces of service

02:28:29.208 --> 02:28:36.309
- we get to do on this council. And it's made better by input from two individuals that we would otherwise

02:28:36.309 --> 02:28:43.275
- not get. And so as this moves forward, my hope is that recommendations should have passed the spot in.

02:28:43.275 --> 02:28:50.308
- I don't hear shoes flying at anyone yet. That if it passes, that this is honored in the county for what

02:28:50.308 --> 02:28:51.390
- that is and the

02:28:51.586 --> 02:29:02.055
- the work of all that many people in the process. It was my pleasure to serve again in addition to serving

02:29:02.055 --> 02:29:12.524
- with Julie again and then welcoming Katie, but I also think it's really good to have other people besides

02:29:12.524 --> 02:29:14.302
- just us that make

02:29:15.394 --> 02:29:22.881
- and the county have the community involved in. It's just been a delight to hear perspectives that we

02:29:22.881 --> 02:29:30.590
- might not have thought of ourselves. So I really appreciate that. And again, just thank you to all that

02:29:30.590 --> 02:29:37.855
- participated. Thank you for your patience to applicants as we are working through this. And yeah,

02:29:37.855 --> 02:29:39.486
- and again, thank you.

02:29:40.610 --> 02:29:49.300
- All right, next up, we will have, we'll open it up to public comment. So if there's public comment on

02:29:49.300 --> 02:29:57.905
- any of the award recipient suggestions or recommendations, I should say, you can come forward to the

02:29:57.905 --> 02:30:06.595
- lectern here in the room. You'll have up to three minutes. Or if you are on Teams, you can raise your

02:30:06.595 --> 02:30:09.918
- hand via Teams. I don't see either or.

02:30:10.274 --> 02:30:20.299
- Okay, so we will conclude public comment and then we will go ahead and have a roll call vote. Councilor

02:30:20.299 --> 02:30:30.036
- Deckard? Yes. Councilor Crossley? Yes. Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor Feidl? Yes. Councilor Hawk?

02:30:30.036 --> 02:30:40.254
- Yes. Councilor Wilts? Yes. Councilor Henry? Yes. Motion passes unanimous. Thank you. Thank you very much.

02:30:40.642 --> 02:30:48.391
- All right. Could you give me a copy of the list? Thank you. All right. I sure appreciate that.

02:30:48.391 --> 02:30:56.629
- Thank you. We will move on to item number nine, which is council business. As a reminder, item A was

02:30:56.629 --> 02:31:04.949
- tabled to our July 14th meeting. And so next up, we will go to item B, which is from courts. Council,

02:31:04.949 --> 02:31:09.598
- I move to approve the court's request and fund 1213-0000

02:31:09.762 --> 02:31:15.808
- GAL slash CASA for additional appropriations of $11,286 in the services category. Second. All right,

02:31:15.808 --> 02:31:22.033
- we got a motion and a second. We have Ms. Chandler here. Welcome. Thank you so much. Our CASA program's

02:31:22.033 --> 02:31:28.139
- been awarded additional funds. One is for their pass-through grant that they get every year, and this

02:31:28.139 --> 02:31:34.364
- is the third round of money they've received. And the second one is to fund an attorney through a pilot

02:31:34.364 --> 02:31:38.494
- project to help best represent children on their caseload. I believe

02:31:39.266 --> 02:31:47.333
- These funds have already been received by the auditor. Great. Questions or comments from council on

02:31:47.333 --> 02:31:55.561
- this item? Congratulations. Thank you. And we'll move on to public comment. If there's public comment

02:31:55.561 --> 02:32:03.709
- on this item, you can come forward to the lectern here in the room or raise your hand via Teams. And

02:32:03.709 --> 02:32:07.742
- seeing none, may we please have a roll call vote?

02:32:11.202 --> 02:32:18.619
- Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor Feidl? Yes. Councilor Hawk? Yes. Councilor Wilts? Yes. Councilor Murray?

02:32:18.619 --> 02:32:25.689
- Yes. Councilor Decker? Yes. Councilor Crossley? Yes. Motion passes unanimous. Thank you and thank you

02:32:25.689 --> 02:32:27.006
- for your patience.

02:32:27.426 --> 02:32:34.226
- All right, next up is item C from the sheriff's office. Council, I move to approve the sheriff's request

02:32:34.226 --> 02:32:40.703
- in Fund 1000-0005 County General Sheriff for an additional appropriation of $30,000 in the services

02:32:40.703 --> 02:32:47.244
- category. Second. All right, we got a motion and a second. We are joined by the sheriff and the jail

02:32:47.244 --> 02:32:54.174
- commander. Welcome. Good evening, Council. Before I officially get started, I want to say thank you to the

02:32:54.338 --> 02:33:01.823
- to Lisa and her team, reference to strong we had, they have done a phenomenal job. So our deputies could

02:33:01.823 --> 02:33:08.951
- get through the county and provide service as well. So I know she's not here, but her team has done

02:33:08.951 --> 02:33:16.294
- a tremendous, a very good job for us. So the reason why we're here, we are officially requesting funds

02:33:16.294 --> 02:33:23.422
- necessary to acquire outside counsel. As you know, litigation for the ACLU is certain to take place

02:33:23.586 --> 02:33:33.504
- reference the county jail. So as the council has already recognized with respect to his own needs, we

02:33:33.504 --> 02:33:43.422
- are also would like to consult with litigation counsel. We are following your lead and are requesting

02:33:43.422 --> 02:33:53.534
- an additional appropriation of 3,000, I'm sorry, not 3,000, 30,000 for that same purpose. To the point.

02:33:54.434 --> 02:34:01.185
- Sounds good. All right, any questions? Yes, Councilor Iverson. It's my understanding that the county's

02:34:01.185 --> 02:34:08.132
- insurance covers litigation costs. Is this for costs that go above and beyond those? Well, as I mentioned

02:34:08.132 --> 02:34:15.146
- before, the council went ahead and appropriated themselves $30,000 in anticipation of this actual lawsuit.

02:34:15.146 --> 02:34:21.765
- So all I'm doing is the exact same thing, because I can tell you at the present time right now, it's

02:34:21.765 --> 02:34:22.814
- moving forward.

02:34:23.106 --> 02:34:29.304
- And I'm already being approached with our counsel. And to be quite honest with you, when I took over

02:34:29.304 --> 02:34:35.624
- three and a half years ago, I was the one named as the defendant. And no one else has been. So at this

02:34:35.624 --> 02:34:41.883
- point, it's coming very fast for me. So what I wanted to do is to be fair and be treated the same way

02:34:41.883 --> 02:34:48.510
- as the counsel treated themselves. So that's the reason why I'm asking for that amount at the present time.

02:34:49.346 --> 02:34:56.522
- If I may, Councilor Iverson, we're in conversation with our insurance company. So it is to be determined

02:34:56.522 --> 02:35:03.630
- what the insurance company provides. Because we just switched providers. Is that correct? And sometimes

02:35:03.630 --> 02:35:10.669
- they don't provide counsel for injunctive relief cases. When they provide counsel is a question. We've

02:35:10.669 --> 02:35:16.478
- posed a lot of questions to our insurance company. We just don't have those answers.

02:35:19.042 --> 02:35:25.288
- Councilmember Iris, can I add to that just a little bit? Yes, please. Yeah, sorry. Tomorrow, Ken Falk

02:35:25.288 --> 02:35:31.718
- will be at the correction center in the morning interviewing potential clients. And the issue that we've

02:35:31.718 --> 02:35:38.148
- incurred already is that, like the sheriff said, we're already getting approached with different varying

02:35:38.148 --> 02:35:44.884
- aspects of this litigation. And we were previously the only party named, and we are the only party guaranteed

02:35:44.884 --> 02:35:48.926
- to be named in the new case, which essentially picks up tomorrow.

02:35:50.690 --> 02:35:57.152
- So we're moving at a very fast pace that we don't have the luxury to wait. And again, to be fair to

02:35:57.152 --> 02:36:03.808
- the council, that's one reason why I said it. Taking your lead, following your lead, that's the reason

02:36:03.808 --> 02:36:10.463
- why we're coming to you right now, because it was moving at us really quick. I wasn't aware. Thank you

02:36:10.463 --> 02:36:17.119
- for sharing that. I thought I saw Councilor Hawks' hand, and then I'll go. Go ahead. You may be asking

02:36:17.119 --> 02:36:20.350
- my question. Well, then I'll go to Council Henry.

02:36:21.378 --> 02:36:31.489
- I thought the reason that the council was considering having separate legal representation was a couple

02:36:31.489 --> 02:36:41.307
- things. One of which is we're not officially named in the lawsuit, so it might be that the insurance

02:36:41.307 --> 02:36:49.182
- would not cover us. However, the insurance, as I understand it, would cover you.

02:36:49.314 --> 02:36:58.245
- What are we going to do, running around with three and four different attorneys, all of us fighting

02:36:58.245 --> 02:37:07.266
- with one another? This is making a lot of sense to me. And I also wonder, is this in any way tied to

02:37:07.266 --> 02:37:16.912
- the lawsuit with the state? It's not. And I need to look again. Is this asking in the sheriff's department,

02:37:16.912 --> 02:37:18.430
- or is this to be

02:37:18.754 --> 02:37:27.959
- going into the jail fund? Where? It's a, it's a request into the sheriff's fund. Okay. Which is not

02:37:27.959 --> 02:37:37.533
- the same thing. So in April 28th of this year, when the county council agreed to appropriate themselves

02:37:37.533 --> 02:37:47.198
- $30,000, what I'm, what I'm remembering, it also included the potential future education involving ACLU.

02:37:47.874 --> 02:37:54.486
- And all I'm asking is the exact same thing, but it's not a potential. I'm already involved. I am the

02:37:54.486 --> 02:38:01.229
- only one at this present time, uh, named as a defendant. So, uh, that's the reason why, um, I'm asking

02:38:01.229 --> 02:38:07.775
- for the 30,000 as the county and I repeated myself, um, appropriate and for themselves. Now I'm not

02:38:07.775 --> 02:38:14.518
- here to really, to debate where it's coming from. That's up to the county council. But what I'm saying

02:38:14.518 --> 02:38:17.726
- to you, this is realistic right now is that, uh,

02:38:18.050 --> 02:38:27.687
- where I am the main person as of 3 years and a half ago that was the defendant. Once again,

02:38:27.687 --> 02:38:38.477
- I don't know, maybe I didn't make myself clear. I was asking if any portion of this $80 has been spent

02:38:38.477 --> 02:38:47.486
- so far or planned to be spent having to do with the debate with the Attorney General.

02:38:47.938 --> 02:38:55.119
- And I've already stated no. You did state no, sorry. I said no, I did. I did, I did. Councilor Henry.

02:38:55.119 --> 02:39:02.231
- Thank you, and thank you Sheriff and Jail Commander for being here. So I think the questions are the

02:39:02.231 --> 02:39:09.271
- line of inquiry I'm hearing is just about the nature of our two departments, right? That the County

02:39:09.271 --> 02:39:12.862
- Council, not a named litigant, you know, we're not

02:39:13.058 --> 02:39:19.462
- yet or potentially. I don't see it as apples and oranges. It's more like different kinds of apples we're

02:39:19.462 --> 02:39:25.805
- talking about. But I think Councillor Hawkins raised a good point. How many legal actions have you been

02:39:25.805 --> 02:39:32.087
- involved with since being sheriff? And how do you pursue legal counsel for each of those? For example,

02:39:32.087 --> 02:39:38.309
- there's the FFRF, I think, that's looked into the sheriff's office. How do you go about legal counsel

02:39:38.309 --> 02:39:42.334
- for these other instances? Here again, I'm going to make my point

02:39:42.466 --> 02:39:50.216
- crystal clear, I'm not here to discuss anything else but that I am named or will be named very quickly

02:39:50.216 --> 02:39:57.741
- here from the ACLU reference to civil rights of the people in that facility right now. So I'm being

02:39:57.741 --> 02:40:05.341
- very, very pointed on this. And I'm only asking what is fair, what the county council appropriate of

02:40:05.341 --> 02:40:12.414
- themselves, who have not been named as a defendant at all. But I could tell you from day one,

02:40:12.738 --> 02:40:18.506
- I have. So very specifically, I'm asking to be fair and treat it the same as a county council. So I

02:40:18.506 --> 02:40:24.678
- just have to ask you respectfully. So you've been in office for almost four years. You've had interactions

02:40:24.678 --> 02:40:30.734
- with the legal system seeking representation for yourself and other instances. The county pays for those

02:40:30.734 --> 02:40:36.676
- services in one way, one coffer or another. And if we're talking about, you know, what fund funds what

02:40:36.676 --> 02:40:37.310
- and that's

02:40:37.570 --> 02:40:42.263
- That's the question, right? I mean, it's not off the table because we have paid for legal services for

02:40:42.263 --> 02:40:46.819
- the county sheriff's department before. It's not saying yes or no to your question. I'm just trying

02:40:46.819 --> 02:40:51.512
- to understand when you've purchased the services of legal counsel or had legal representation in other

02:40:51.512 --> 02:40:56.068
- cases that have been brought to, or you've needed to seek counsel from an attorney, what other ways

02:40:56.068 --> 02:41:00.760
- has that been paid for? How have you gone about that? Because I'm just trying to square it up. We want

02:41:00.760 --> 02:41:05.362
- to be very even. If there's a consistent pattern, sure, that makes sense. And it makes sense for the

02:41:05.362 --> 02:41:07.230
- next time, the next time, the next time.

02:41:07.426 --> 02:41:13.265
- Yeah, I think that's a fair question. And I think there's an easy answer. We're looking for litigation

02:41:13.265 --> 02:41:19.104
- counsel. We have counsel for the FFRF or something like that stuff comes up. We have in-house counsel.

02:41:19.104 --> 02:41:25.056
- That is not litigation counsel. For other things that involve our insurance, we have our counsel through

02:41:25.056 --> 02:41:30.895
- our insurance company for different things. This is specifically for litigation of the ACLU agreement.

02:41:30.895 --> 02:41:36.734
- I think the frustration in my voice, the discussion that the county counsel had, that did not come up.

02:41:36.866 --> 02:41:47.729
- But still be it, he answered your question. I'll take that answer, thank you. All right, anybody else

02:41:47.729 --> 02:41:58.698
- have any other questions or comments on this item? Councilor Williams. So typically we ask departments

02:41:58.698 --> 02:42:06.366
- to look at their balances and determine if they have an alternative way

02:42:06.978 --> 02:42:17.608
- of paying for what they need and wait until they can't pay for something out of what's already been

02:42:17.608 --> 02:42:27.387
- appropriated. It seems like we're not creating a new line. There's already a line for this.

02:42:27.387 --> 02:42:35.678
- Is that correct? Well, the difference is the line that you're referring to is

02:42:36.898 --> 02:42:44.338
- in-house council. This litigation- The line says litigation as the first word in its title. I mean-

02:42:44.338 --> 02:42:51.853
- The council that we have right now does not specialize in litigation. It does not. But you can still

02:42:51.853 --> 02:42:59.294
- use money from that line to pay for legal services. But then it takes away from the actual services

02:42:59.294 --> 02:43:05.246
- that we provide now that we have to go to that council for services. But again,

02:43:07.362 --> 02:43:15.038
- I, in my mind, I really thought this, this wouldn't be an issue that we had long conversations because

02:43:15.038 --> 02:43:22.192
- the county council didn't discuss that as far as we didn't have any way of, of doing it without

02:43:22.192 --> 02:43:29.793
- an appropriation. I don't even know if we used it. I have no idea. I'm not saying that, but we don't,

02:43:29.793 --> 02:43:37.022
- we didn't have a line. And I'm just saying, you already have a line for this and you have money.

02:43:37.186 --> 02:43:47.944
- for these purposes, I'm just, I guess, unsure as to why you need an extra appropriation before a lawsuit

02:43:47.944 --> 02:43:58.394
- has been started. Because already we've been approached, references lawsuit. However, the line you're

02:43:58.394 --> 02:44:06.078
- referring to is in-house council services. This year is totally different.

02:44:06.658 --> 02:44:14.223
- an actual person, an attorney, that specializes in litigations. Very different. Can I ask a clarifying

02:44:14.223 --> 02:44:21.715
- question that might help? Is the line that our counselor member wills referring to the line that pays

02:44:21.715 --> 02:44:29.133
- for your legal counsel that is statutory? Yes. And do you have a contract with that individual? Yes.

02:44:29.133 --> 02:44:36.478
- And in that scope of the contract, would litigation counsel for this matter be covered? No. Got it.

02:44:36.930 --> 02:44:45.785
- Was the appropriate, and I'm asking them for, just if I can. Was the amount appropriated in this line

02:44:45.785 --> 02:44:54.553
- for 2026 specific and limited to the cost of that contract? I believe it is. I think it's limited to

02:44:54.553 --> 02:45:02.366
- the special deputy or the legal deputy costs that is available to the sheriff by statute.

02:45:02.914 --> 02:45:10.216
- Statutorily, he can hire a legal deputy. I think that line covers the contract for that only. Okay.

02:45:10.216 --> 02:45:17.737
- That makes sense. So this is a line in general fund in the contractual. No, it's not contractual. This

02:45:17.737 --> 02:45:25.258
- is what it's called is litigation, settlement and mediation. That's the name of that line. Okay. Okay.

02:45:25.258 --> 02:45:32.414
- So that makes a lot more sense to me. Thank you. Thank you for clarifying. And then my, you know,

02:45:32.770 --> 02:45:40.890
- back to kind of the original part is it's in the, it's in the thirties here. So it's services and you

02:45:40.890 --> 02:45:48.930
- have other, do you have other money in the services where you could do an in-house transfer to cover

02:45:48.930 --> 02:45:56.890
- these expenses until we figure out what's happening. And she's looking at me and she's saying, I'm,

02:45:56.890 --> 02:46:02.622
- I'm looking at the budget right now as of today and they have one line.

02:46:02.914 --> 02:46:10.796
- that was appropriated with 125,000 and it has 50% left, but it's for their general communication services,

02:46:10.796 --> 02:46:18.162
- which is what they use for their, I believe it's the radios and that kind of thing. So that is also

02:46:18.162 --> 02:46:25.603
- a contract amount that has already been obligated. Okay. And we wouldn't have come here if we had an

02:46:25.603 --> 02:46:31.422
- opportunity to move that before. And we try to do that for you guys each time.

02:46:31.682 --> 02:46:38.677
- And that's why I have to ask, because I'm your liaison, and I didn't know, and I didn't hear about it.

02:46:38.677 --> 02:46:45.605
- So I have these questions, and we're having the discussion now. One thing, and please understand that

02:46:45.605 --> 02:46:52.871
- this is not, it's moving so fast. It's moving so fast that, you're right, for me to get to you so quickly,

02:46:52.871 --> 02:46:57.150
- it's not, tomorrow we have an attorney coming to our facility.

02:46:57.666 --> 02:47:04.860
- That's terrifying, I get it. And all I'm saying to you is, and in my brain, maybe I'm being too simple,

02:47:04.860 --> 02:47:12.470
- it's too simple for me, is that what I'm asking is something I thought was reasonable because you appropriate

02:47:12.470 --> 02:47:19.871
- it to yourselves. And believe me, I am not gonna sit in front of you after something that I could actually

02:47:19.871 --> 02:47:26.789
- take care of myself because from day one, I always said, I've got to move fast. So if I could do it

02:47:26.789 --> 02:47:27.550
- on my own,

02:47:28.738 --> 02:47:38.242
- Council member, I would. Thank you. Council member Hawke. Just a suggestion, maybe what they need is

02:47:38.242 --> 02:47:47.934
- a new line within the services, then they can move it up and down within that as they choose. We don't

02:47:47.934 --> 02:47:55.838
- need to do an additional appropriation. As you said, we don't do that in the middle

02:47:56.930 --> 02:48:05.074
- you know, before we get closer to the end of the year when they still have money in the fund. They don't

02:48:05.074 --> 02:48:12.830
- have you don't they don't have any other money in that category. That's not specifically headed out

02:48:12.830 --> 02:48:20.586
- to some particular contract or service. That's what I was hearing from this show. But I see another

02:48:20.586 --> 02:48:26.558
- hand. Thank you. I appreciate the candor. I think it's we need it. It's this

02:48:26.754 --> 02:48:33.529
- job we've been elected to up here to meet the fiscal control and ask these questions in a public way.

02:48:33.529 --> 02:48:40.172
- You have an attorney in mind? You have somebody, if this moves forward, do you have somebody you've

02:48:40.172 --> 02:48:47.345
- got lined up to hire tomorrow? Or do you have someone identified? I'm having a difficult time to understand

02:48:47.345 --> 02:48:54.320
- everything that we're really discussing with you right now. I don't know if the council asked themselves

02:48:54.320 --> 02:48:55.582
- the same question.

02:48:56.066 --> 02:49:01.470
- You're in a hurry, Sheriff. I'm just asking if you got somebody in line. I'm trying to understand what

02:49:01.470 --> 02:49:06.821
- difference would it make for what I'm asking for. Well, then let me follow up with why I'm asking. So

02:49:06.821 --> 02:49:12.173
- if you have somebody in mind, you can consult with them as soon as possible. One of the conditions by

02:49:12.173 --> 02:49:17.419
- which your office has not been able to participate in working groups to find a solution to the jail

02:49:17.419 --> 02:49:22.876
- is consulting with counsel. So my interest would be saying, well, if we can get you an attorney to talk

02:49:22.876 --> 02:49:24.030
- to, and if that would

02:49:24.322 --> 02:49:29.816
- free up your office to come to sit with us to try to solve the solution or get to a solution. I mean,

02:49:29.816 --> 02:49:35.309
- I think that's an incentive for us to vote on that. So that's my question then. I mean, if you've got

02:49:35.309 --> 02:49:40.749
- somebody in mind, that's great. I don't need to know their name. But if this has been a condition by

02:49:40.749 --> 02:49:46.404
- which your office has not been able to participate in public conversations about the future of the jail,

02:49:46.404 --> 02:49:51.790
- I want to know if we can move forward on that. Well, as certain things that you stated, I think you

02:49:51.790 --> 02:49:53.406
- mentioned subcommittee. Yeah.

02:49:54.146 --> 02:49:59.765
- We're getting off track here, some way. Well, no, because you've said in correspondence in the county

02:49:59.765 --> 02:50:05.384
- that one of the conditions by which your office can't participate in that subcommittee is you need to

02:50:05.384 --> 02:50:11.004
- consult with litigation counsel. This is an opportunity to bring them on for you. My question now is,

02:50:11.004 --> 02:50:16.623
- if we move forward with appropriation and you can go get the attorney tomorrow morning, are there any

02:50:16.623 --> 02:50:22.187
- other barriers for your office participating in that work group? I'm going to repeat myself that I'm

02:50:22.187 --> 02:50:23.454
- asking the counsel for

02:50:23.682 --> 02:50:32.560
- additional appropriation. This is not the time at this point for me to discuss the subcommittee. If

02:50:32.560 --> 02:50:41.526
- you'd like, I'd be more than happy to come back and discuss that, but not this evening. That's fair.

02:50:41.526 --> 02:50:50.493
- I'll hold you to your office's email about that, but thank you, Madam President. I'll move on. Okay.

02:50:50.493 --> 02:50:52.446
- Thank you. I lost it.

02:50:52.706 --> 02:51:00.403
- The only thing I will say is when we were discussing way back when, back in April, I got a lot of questions

02:51:00.403 --> 02:51:07.601
- about do we have somebody in mind. So I guess I understand where y'all are coming from, but we don't

02:51:07.601 --> 02:51:14.942
- have anybody right now. That conversation has been ceased until we can figure stuff out and then we'll

02:51:14.942 --> 02:51:19.646
- bring that back. But I think as a clarifying into all the things,

02:51:19.810 --> 02:51:27.101
- maybe and I understand that y'all are super duper busy but I think maybe what would have helped is if

02:51:27.101 --> 02:51:34.534
- the liaisons were like worked with because I'm not certain if it sounds like I'm looking at faces right

02:51:34.534 --> 02:51:41.824
- now that maybe liaisons weren't consulted which is that's kind of why I was the little puzzle with my

02:51:41.824 --> 02:51:47.614
- faces because in the packet it says council or liaisons were notified so I think

02:51:47.906 --> 02:51:55.430
- A lot of clarifying questions with this, with respect to what you're asking, might have been helpful

02:51:55.430 --> 02:52:03.103
- to have that, in the interest of time and an email of some sort. Again, not disputing anything, I just

02:52:03.103 --> 02:52:10.627
- wanted to point that out there. Any other further questions or comments? Oh, yes, Councilwoman Huck.

02:52:10.627 --> 02:52:17.630
- All right, I still, coming back to, and of course that'll depend on whether or not, you know,

02:52:17.858 --> 02:52:26.767
- the group wants to move forward with this in any way. But if they do, then we need a line item from

02:52:26.767 --> 02:52:35.765
- which they have to pay it out of. And it matters not if the other items in that category has already

02:52:35.765 --> 02:52:45.119
- been spoken for. They can still pay it. The cash is in there. They can pay it and then reduce from other

02:52:45.119 --> 02:52:47.614
- lines within that category.

02:52:47.778 --> 02:52:54.900
- or come back and ask for a transfer, they can transfer on their own if it stays in the same category.

02:52:54.900 --> 02:53:01.882
- They can move that, they can do that tomorrow if it stays in the same category. It just leaves them

02:53:01.882 --> 02:53:09.144
- less money to do something else in that category. And if they determine that down the way, they've done

02:53:09.144 --> 02:53:16.126
- what they can to save whatever the money is, they can come back and ask for a transfer. They cannot

02:53:16.126 --> 02:53:17.662
- transfer on their own

02:53:18.018 --> 02:53:25.954
- from one category to the next. So I think you were right on your first thought, Council Member Wilson,

02:53:25.954 --> 02:53:33.120
- that to move this off into the center. But maybe the group would rather just say no. I mean,

02:53:33.120 --> 02:53:41.134
- I don't know. They did not contact me. I guess they didn't think they needed my help. Well, I can speak

02:53:41.134 --> 02:53:44.062
- to that, I guess. I think I've done a

02:53:44.162 --> 02:53:49.806
- a pretty good job for the office in trying to communicate with our liaisons. Just about anything that

02:53:49.806 --> 02:53:55.395
- comes up, I try to bring to them. As to this issue, we talked about it as a group, and the sheriff's

02:53:55.395 --> 02:54:01.095
- belief was it was pretty straightforward. We didn't think there would be a lot of communication needed

02:54:01.095 --> 02:54:06.739
- for something that has already been appropriated. Commissioner Henry said that everybody essentially,

02:54:06.739 --> 02:54:11.166
- in that April 28th meeting, that everybody would likely need their own counsel.

02:54:11.522 --> 02:54:17.637
- for obvious reasons, and I think that's fair. Council Member Feidl said it was almost hypocritical to

02:54:17.637 --> 02:54:23.992
- approve that $30,000 based on how you guys are having to move through this budget season, which is almost

02:54:23.992 --> 02:54:29.987
- impossible. So kudos for that, actually. And Council Member Crossley said that it would likely cost

02:54:29.987 --> 02:54:36.222
- more down the road. We're trying to get a start. We're trying to begin this session here. And honestly,

02:54:36.546 --> 02:54:43.152
- It's happening faster than we can even deal with right now. And that was part of, I guess, the lack

02:54:43.152 --> 02:54:49.957
- of communication, maybe. But we thought it was pretty straightforward. So our apologies. Thank you for

02:54:49.957 --> 02:54:56.629
- that. And thank you for the information, Sheriff, tonight in this discussion. I appreciate council's

02:54:56.629 --> 02:55:02.046
- council, council members questions here. And I'm going to throw something out and

02:55:02.210 --> 02:55:11.716
- maybe I'm the only one that can throw this out, and maybe for that reason, we put what I throw out in

02:55:11.716 --> 02:55:21.315
- the trash can. But given some of the discussion here tonight, I wonder, A, council's not moved forward

02:55:21.315 --> 02:55:30.728
- on their council requests that we discussed in that meeting in April. B, in-house council, there's a

02:55:30.728 --> 02:55:32.126
- lot of council

02:55:32.258 --> 02:55:39.658
- in-house counsel has indicated that we have dangling issues out with our insurance provider about what

02:55:39.658 --> 02:55:46.987
- happens doesn't happen. I thought I have and I'll throw it out if it's nothing everybody just sit and

02:55:46.987 --> 02:55:54.602
- stare at me it'll be just like home and then just move on with whatever anything else you will not offend

02:55:54.602 --> 02:56:00.350
- me. If we were to make both of our bodies on parity until we get meaning strike

02:56:00.610 --> 02:56:08.076
- our past action, which we apparently haven't moved on and wait for response from in-house counsel. So

02:56:08.076 --> 02:56:16.055
- we could maybe move into some sort of concerted effort towards legal counsel. Would that make this situation

02:56:16.055 --> 02:56:23.448
- a little bit more survivable for now? And if that is not clear or a thing that even sounds remotely,

02:56:23.448 --> 02:56:24.766
- basically to say,

02:56:24.994 --> 02:56:33.538
- this body and that body until we get better answers on what insurance is going to cover is going to

02:56:33.538 --> 02:56:42.168
- hold off on just counsel that's not from in-house legal. So I'll throw that idea out. So essentially

02:56:42.168 --> 02:56:50.884
- what you're saying is able until we figure out. And legally, since we we authorize, which the sheriff

02:56:50.884 --> 02:56:54.814
- has brought up and others have brought up, we

02:56:55.298 --> 02:57:01.880
- gave ourselves, the council, the ability to get outside council. If we were to remove that,

02:57:01.880 --> 02:57:09.034
- hold on theirs, and then get responses from insurance on what does this look like, what does it not

02:57:09.034 --> 02:57:16.260
- look like, then we might be able to move forward in some sort of concerted effort that they get this

02:57:16.260 --> 02:57:23.557
- and we might need that and ring the bell at three o'clock on Thursdays or whatever other requirements

02:57:23.557 --> 02:57:24.702
- would come out.

02:57:25.058 --> 02:57:31.415
- I float that to bring things back to parity. One of the concerns I had at the time, and I think I probably

02:57:31.415 --> 02:57:37.593
- said it, is I worried about us going off in any piecemeal fashion towards outside council, particularly

02:57:37.593 --> 02:57:43.831
- when we don't know. But there were a lot of pressures in that situation, and we don't have to relitigate

02:57:43.831 --> 02:57:50.307
- that, not to use that term, but I wonder if that wouldn't bring a little bit of equality to the difficulties

02:57:50.307 --> 02:57:51.614
- we find ourselves in.

02:57:54.434 --> 02:58:01.031
- If I understand correctly, go ahead. Sorry. Sorry, Sheriff, to jump in. I think what insurance has basically

02:58:01.031 --> 02:58:07.083
- said is you have to get sued for us to make a decision, because we don't know what that lawsuit is.

02:58:07.083 --> 02:58:13.376
- We don't know what it looks like. So before we decide or commit to a position here, we're going to have

02:58:13.376 --> 02:58:19.670
- to see the suit. And I think, and I'm not speaking for the sheriff, but I think there's legal questions

02:58:19.670 --> 02:58:22.878
- that they're going to have before the suit is filed.

02:58:23.650 --> 02:58:31.143
- And so, I mean, you could wait for insurance counsel to say, okay, now you're sued, but I mean, I don't

02:58:31.143 --> 02:58:38.420
- know when the suit's coming. They don't know when the suit's coming. But the questions are here now.

02:58:38.420 --> 02:58:45.625
- On the head, because we're experiencing right now. It's not if, it's happening to us right now. And

02:58:45.625 --> 02:58:53.118
- to echo what she, if you take offense to this, I do apologize. It was not intentional not to go through

02:58:53.282 --> 02:59:01.065
- our liaison. It's just the timing was like so fast. It really was. And again, I will not be sitting

02:59:01.065 --> 02:59:09.471
- here in front of you if it wasn't urgent because they're coming at us. And what she explained is happening.

02:59:09.471 --> 02:59:17.566
- So I don't we don't have the luxury to wait like you're you're suggesting. And when this comes forward,

02:59:18.338 --> 02:59:23.072
- your if you guys get named are going to be facing different issues than what we are going to be facing,

02:59:23.072 --> 02:59:27.714
- obviously. Uh, and hopefully you don't get named, but we are accustomed to being named in these types

02:59:27.714 --> 02:59:32.357
- of things because no matter what the sheriff gets named, if it's in the jail, no matter what the jail

02:59:32.357 --> 02:59:36.999
- commander gets named, it's part of it. Uh, and we've been in process with our insurance for different

02:59:36.999 --> 02:59:41.551
- things. We've been in process with our in-house legal counsel. So it's, it's something that we're a

02:59:41.551 --> 02:59:46.421
- little bit more acclimated with, but this litigation aspect is something that I've, I've never encountered

02:59:46.421 --> 02:59:47.422
- before from the ACLU.

02:59:47.586 --> 02:59:53.669
- other than this agreement we've been working under. So this is uncharted territory in some regards,

02:59:53.669 --> 02:59:59.813
- and that's why we need a specialized counsel. And King has her hand up and then I'll go to Councilor

02:59:59.813 --> 03:00:06.140
- Wilts next. And I think it's important to note that Mr. Falk is going to their office tomorrow. I mean,

03:00:06.140 --> 03:00:12.588
- as a former public defender, if my client was going to talk to basically the prosecutor in this instance,

03:00:12.588 --> 03:00:15.934
- which is Mr. Falk, I wouldn't want him to do it alone.

03:00:16.322 --> 03:00:23.482
- I would want attorneys there. And that's where we are right now. That's where we are right now. Where's

03:00:23.482 --> 03:00:30.367
- the county attorney? They don't specialize that. They're not litigation attorneys. And ultimately I

03:00:30.367 --> 03:00:37.389
- think county attorneys will be conflicted out. Okay. All right. I'm going to Councilor Wilts and then

03:00:37.389 --> 03:00:44.342
- I'll go to Councilor Fido. I have three questions that came in my head since I started the last one.

03:00:44.342 --> 03:00:46.270
- The one I was going to well

03:00:46.434 --> 03:00:55.588
- really, I just want to make sure I'm understanding what we're deciding. And it sounds like to me that

03:00:55.588 --> 03:01:04.652
- y'all need to take action. And I think the point's well taken that the reason that I remember saying

03:01:04.652 --> 03:01:13.806
- yes to $30,000, which I was iffy on, but the reason I said yes was because we, prior to getting sued,

03:01:13.806 --> 03:01:15.870
- it wasn't really about

03:01:17.058 --> 03:01:26.544
- I figured that's going to be a bigger production. But we wanted to be able to ask somebody some questions.

03:01:26.544 --> 03:01:35.586
- And so I totally respect that need. But to Councillor Hawke's point, you can pay for that out of your

03:01:35.586 --> 03:01:44.894
- current, even if they are obligated to something else. I mean, if you, and this is really, I'm trying to

03:01:45.090 --> 03:01:52.483
- just make it clear that you don't have to come to us, but you just need to let us know if that makes

03:01:52.483 --> 03:01:59.802
- sense. So you've got another line for the communication something radios. You could take that, what

03:01:59.802 --> 03:02:07.195
- you have left in that, and you could put it toward something else in that same category, which would

03:02:07.195 --> 03:02:11.294
- be this line, the legislation settlement and mediation.

03:02:12.834 --> 03:02:18.341
- And you're with in your rights to transfer because it's in the same category. And you could do that

03:02:18.341 --> 03:02:23.848
- like this. And I think that was counselor Hawks point. And we actually encourage that for something

03:02:23.848 --> 03:02:29.355
- that you need right away as long as you're letting us know. Because what that means is you're going

03:02:29.355 --> 03:02:35.302
- to be short in that other line. Right. It's going to come time for however you've got that set up quarterly

03:02:35.302 --> 03:02:40.809
- payment or whatever monthly payment and you're going to run out by however much you borrowed. So at

03:02:40.809 --> 03:02:41.470
- that point.

03:02:41.794 --> 03:02:48.174
- You're like, hey, remember when I told you I had to borrow this to do this other thing? Well,

03:02:48.174 --> 03:02:55.098
- now I need that. And we'll be like, oh, yeah, right. That's what we've typically asked departments to

03:02:55.098 --> 03:03:02.293
- do. And that was sort of the beginning of my. So what I'm choosing between, and I think we have to figure

03:03:02.293 --> 03:03:09.080
- out, is do we want to say, hey, just go back and use your own funds for this and keep track and let

03:03:09.080 --> 03:03:10.302
- us know, or which

03:03:11.650 --> 03:03:19.827
- The parity thing, I think, is a good point. I mean, you came in here with that as your kind of basis.

03:03:19.827 --> 03:03:27.925
- Hey, you know, we just want to make sure you're being fair to everybody. It does sort of look bad to

03:03:27.925 --> 03:03:36.022
- not. I get that. Yeah, I mean, we weren't able to, but we, you know. I hear you. Everything moves so

03:03:36.022 --> 03:03:39.710
- fast for us, for us to come back and ask you,

03:03:40.930 --> 03:03:52.388
- It's very, very difficult. And again, I didn't really anticipate that we'll be having this conversation,

03:03:52.388 --> 03:04:03.299
- because to be fair, you appropriated yourselves $300,000, $30,000, and you haven't been even named.

03:04:03.299 --> 03:04:10.174
- Well, no one's been named yet. And or approached. And we have.

03:04:10.690 --> 03:04:19.343
- So I'm struggling here to really make sense of this, that I'm being told how to do this when that has

03:04:19.343 --> 03:04:28.081
- been budgeted already. And what I'm hearing you saying is go ahead and use that and come back when you

03:04:28.081 --> 03:04:36.904
- need to and ask. I don't have the luxury of time to be doing that every single time. And all I'm asking

03:04:36.904 --> 03:04:38.686
- is to be fair to me.

03:04:39.970 --> 03:04:51.593
- what you did to yourself. I'm just being very plain, very specific. And the council has not been approached

03:04:51.593 --> 03:05:02.678
- yet to need an attorney. I have, we have, right now. I guess to kind of hear, Councilor Wilton, please

03:05:02.678 --> 03:05:08.382
- correct me if I'm not explaining what your point is.

03:05:08.738 --> 03:05:14.853
- What it sounds like, what she was saying and Councilman Huck was saying is, if you already have, like

03:05:14.853 --> 03:05:20.848
- you can literally, like you could do an in-house transfer today. Is that what you're saying? So you

03:05:20.848 --> 03:05:27.082
- already have it there. However, if you take it from another line item and you do this appropriate, like

03:05:27.082 --> 03:05:33.257
- you do that, you let your liaisons know that that's the transfer that you're gonna do. And then if you

03:05:33.257 --> 03:05:36.734
- come up short in that particular area for something else,

03:05:37.154 --> 03:05:44.274
- you can come back to council for whatever you've used in that short timeframe. Am I? Yeah, you can come

03:05:44.274 --> 03:05:51.257
- back in November and be like, we need our last payment for the radio lease or whatever, you know, and

03:05:51.257 --> 03:05:58.309
- never having come to us before, as long as you let us know, you know. Cause I think to be fair though,

03:05:58.309 --> 03:06:05.566
- like I know it keeps going back and forth and I get what you're saying. But in terms of council, I think,

03:06:06.082 --> 03:06:13.296
- The idea was we don't have any kind of line or anything like that. So I think that was one of the biggest

03:06:13.296 --> 03:06:20.103
- things as why, I'll say it for myself, as why that was a thing that took place. I think maybe, I'll

03:06:20.103 --> 03:06:27.317
- speak for myself, if we had something there, we could transfer, you know, if we had a line item dedicated

03:06:27.317 --> 03:06:32.830
- to something like that, we could. And maybe that was something that we could do.

03:06:33.474 --> 03:06:40.254
- But I mean, in the interest of time, when you're saying that you have to move quickly, this is one way

03:06:40.254 --> 03:06:46.968
- that I would think what they're saying is that you can move quickly. You just do the transfer, do it.

03:06:46.968 --> 03:06:54.077
- And then if there's something else that you need in the time frame, you could come back. Nobody's disputing

03:06:54.077 --> 03:07:01.054
- who's coming at you, who's doing that at all. I think that's what it sounds like folks are trying to say.

03:07:01.858 --> 03:07:06.562
- Well, I mean, these are lines that we zero out every year. I mean, these are things that we have to

03:07:06.562 --> 03:07:11.407
- pay out throughout there, and you guys understand how that works. For this, this is not something that

03:07:11.407 --> 03:07:16.393
- we could have prepared for. We didn't know that we were going to come to this. None of us did, obviously.

03:07:16.393 --> 03:07:21.238
- But this is not something that we can work through our budget, or we feel this is not something we can

03:07:21.238 --> 03:07:23.966
- work through our budget, and then at the end of the year,

03:07:24.226 --> 03:07:29.305
- come back and say, hey, can we have X amount of dollars? Because it's going to start flipping. What

03:07:29.305 --> 03:07:34.384
- if we need more money for our council? Are we going to pull then? We're trying to get ahead of this

03:07:34.384 --> 03:07:39.666
- so that we can still maintain our budget throughout the end of the year and still handle this ACL thing

03:07:39.666 --> 03:07:44.999
- and still handle all the things that come at us every day. So that's kind of what it is. And I get that.

03:07:44.999 --> 03:07:50.333
- I guess I'm just trying to look out for some of the things nobody's disputed in anything and what you're

03:07:50.333 --> 03:07:50.942
- like, well,

03:07:52.802 --> 03:07:58.539
- We're just trying to figure out like the best way and action. And I know you're saying, well, we did

03:07:58.539 --> 03:08:04.446
- it and you did it too. And to Councilor Wilts's point, I understand where you're coming from with that.

03:08:04.446 --> 03:08:10.183
- I think we're just trying to grab our heads as to like how to move forward from here. I think that's

03:08:10.183 --> 03:08:15.920
- what it sounds like. Right. Councilor Feidl. So I'm thinking about tomorrow. You mentioned tomorrow,

03:08:15.920 --> 03:08:21.600
- right? So who's representing you tomorrow? Me. Okay. So you're going to be the council. Yeah. Not a

03:08:21.600 --> 03:08:22.622
- good idea for us.

03:08:23.426 --> 03:08:28.537
- If you get this money tonight, would you be able to call somebody else in? That is not the point. I

03:08:28.537 --> 03:08:33.648
- just want to know. Well, this is just tomorrow. I mean, it starts tomorrow, and then they are going

03:08:33.648 --> 03:08:39.014
- to have follow-up, and then they are going to start meeting. But a question like that, think about that.

03:08:39.014 --> 03:08:44.278
- Why would you ask me a question like that? Would I have someone to? I am coming to you for assistance.

03:08:44.278 --> 03:08:49.543
- I am coming to you for help. But I thought you also wanted somebody to represent you tomorrow. I mean,

03:08:49.543 --> 03:08:50.718
- I thought that I heard

03:08:50.882 --> 03:08:57.939
- Well, the point we made with tomorrow was that's how fast it's moving. It doesn't necessarily, either

03:08:57.939 --> 03:09:04.928
- he's coming to meet with potential clients tomorrow. That's what that is. Councillor Huck. You know,

03:09:04.928 --> 03:09:12.054
- I know that somebody else is probably working on your budgets and you're just went, but take the line.

03:09:12.054 --> 03:09:13.438
- Just say thank you.

03:09:13.762 --> 03:09:20.953
- We'll put a line in place. You want me to say thank you? That's what I heard you say to me. You can

03:09:20.953 --> 03:09:28.719
- transfer the very day it gets on there. You can do it. We don't have to do it. You're ready to go tomorrow.

03:09:28.719 --> 03:09:35.910
- Isn't that what you want? I think maybe you either don't understand that what we're trying to do is

03:09:35.910 --> 03:09:42.238
- give you immediate opportunity to do what you need to do. But we have to create a line.

03:09:42.914 --> 03:09:50.789
- for you to do it out of. We thought there was a line that you sing that low, so we'll create a new line.

03:09:50.789 --> 03:09:58.440
- And you can use that money tomorrow. There's still money in those categories. And then if you run out

03:09:58.440 --> 03:10:06.315
- or need more money in there, then you can come and we can do transfer from other portions of your budget

03:10:06.315 --> 03:10:10.590
- over into there. It really works. So you'll approve this

03:10:11.106 --> 03:10:17.098
- You're lying. Do you say it wouldn't work? Absolutely not. I know you wouldn't. But you'll prove this

03:10:17.098 --> 03:10:23.148
- very issue later on. You just won't do it now. I'm not going to say what's going to happen two months,

03:10:23.148 --> 03:10:29.022
- five months, because none of us knows what's going to happen. But that's what you're asking them to

03:10:29.022 --> 03:10:34.896
- come back and do. Right now, you need something to say you're protected right now. And all you need

03:10:34.896 --> 03:10:37.598
- is a line to put money into that line, right?

03:10:37.890 --> 03:10:44.951
- We need your help in being appropriated for $30,000. You could do that within that category. You don't

03:10:44.951 --> 03:10:51.806
- need us to do it. I do not. I do not. When you run out of money for what? I mean, the commissioners

03:10:51.806 --> 03:10:59.209
- do it all the time. I do not need to be told to be thankful. Well, I think we all have a lot to be thankful

03:10:59.209 --> 03:11:05.790
- for in this. Not in this situation. Let's work together. That took a very offensive turn there.

03:11:05.922 --> 03:11:13.358
- Move on to Councilor Decker. Thank you very much. Again, I'm going to come at this in the spirit of

03:11:13.358 --> 03:11:20.868
- problem solving and my recommendation on this is that at least let me speak for myself. I'm going to

03:11:20.868 --> 03:11:28.378
- vote for this request and I've heard lots of great discussions. I think sometimes the discussions we

03:11:28.378 --> 03:11:35.070
- get into maybe gets into the technical and the merits of the technical and I think that's

03:11:35.586 --> 03:11:43.325
- awesome towards the taxpayers benefit. But ultimately, if I were a psychic, and sometimes in elected

03:11:43.325 --> 03:11:50.528
- office, you gotta be a bit of one to predict the future and try to figure out your direction.

03:11:50.528 --> 03:11:57.731
- But I would say, either way, if the sheriff goes throughout that counselors are recommending,

03:11:57.731 --> 03:12:05.470
- either way, does that now or we vote for this motion, at some point this year, if I were predicting,

03:12:05.762 --> 03:12:12.776
- there will be a vote on $30,000. And what I don't want to lose in this back and forth conversation,

03:12:12.776 --> 03:12:20.210
- which is good for us, I don't want to lose that spirit going into other conversations that need to happen

03:12:20.210 --> 03:12:27.364
- not about $30,000 there. I think that this energy could be well supplied into more fruitful things to

03:12:27.364 --> 03:12:34.238
- get us out of our present dilemma, which sucks and we got to do. So for me, I'm going to not only

03:12:34.690 --> 03:12:41.284
- vote yes on this preparation. I'm going to call the question so we can just record it. And then the

03:12:41.284 --> 03:12:48.075
- sheriff's got advice if it fails. All right. Um, we'll go to public comment before we do that. Um, and

03:12:48.075 --> 03:12:54.998
- so if there's public comment on this item, you can come forward to the lectern here in the room or raise

03:12:54.998 --> 03:12:59.614
- your hand via teams. Seeing none, maybe please have a roll call vote.

03:13:03.778 --> 03:13:16.056
- Councilor Fiddle. Yes. Councilor Hawk. No. Councilor Wilts. Yes. Councilor Henry. Yes. All they can

03:13:16.056 --> 03:13:28.580
- do. Councilor Decker. Yes. Councilor Crossley. Yes. Councilor Iverson. Yes. Motion passes six to one.

03:13:28.580 --> 03:13:33.246
- Thank you very much. Okay. Next up is

03:13:33.762 --> 03:13:43.879
- Well, item D is tabled. E and F are two. So now we will move on to item G. Council, I move to approve

03:13:43.879 --> 03:13:54.194
- the Waste Reduction District's request and fund 1215 cumulative capital for an additional appropriation

03:13:54.194 --> 03:13:58.558
- of $45,199 in the capital category. Second.

03:13:59.362 --> 03:14:05.565
- All right, we have a motion and a second, and we are joined by Mr. Iglesias. Welcome. Good evening.

03:14:05.565 --> 03:14:12.078
- Hello. Good evening. Yes, thank you. As you can see from the information in your packet, obviously we've

03:14:12.078 --> 03:14:18.591
- had a very interesting spring weather-wise, and a few months ago, having to do some repairs on our roof,

03:14:18.591 --> 03:14:24.981
- and the contractor advised us that in all likelihood, that is the original roof to a building that was

03:14:24.981 --> 03:14:27.710
- built in 1996, and it's time to replace it.

03:14:28.386 --> 03:14:35.911
- It is an asphalt shingle roof, so getting 30 years out of it is, I think, pretty impressive. But it

03:14:35.911 --> 03:14:43.662
- has been recommended to be replaced. You can see that in information we did seek out quotes from three

03:14:43.662 --> 03:14:51.262
- local roofing contractors in discussions with our board. It was decided that going with a metal roof

03:14:51.262 --> 03:14:55.326
- was the best option for the district to move forward.

03:14:55.490 --> 03:15:02.862
- The amount requested is based on the quote included in the packet, which is the lowest quote we received

03:15:02.862 --> 03:15:10.164
- for a metal roof. Honestly, off the top of my head, I don't recall if the shingle quote listed in there

03:15:10.164 --> 03:15:17.395
- was the lowest shingle quote we received, but you can see we are looking at about a $10,000 or $11,000

03:15:17.395 --> 03:15:25.118
- difference between the shingle roof and the metal roof, which we believe will be more than made up for in the

03:15:25.250 --> 03:15:33.723
- savings and maintenance costs and the lifespan of the roof. Thank you very much. We'll look to council

03:15:33.723 --> 03:15:42.031
- for any questions or comments. Councilor Wilks. I just want to express that as a member of the board

03:15:42.031 --> 03:15:50.504
- that we did discuss this and I can't really say it any better than Tom did but he perfectly represents

03:15:50.504 --> 03:15:51.902
- our discussions.

03:15:52.386 --> 03:16:01.759
- the executive committee and justification for going with the the metal roof. I was saying this to Mr.

03:16:01.759 --> 03:16:11.224
- McGlass and just about half a week ago but that building is really out out punches its way in all that

03:16:11.224 --> 03:16:16.094
- happens in there not only with the district but with

03:16:16.610 --> 03:16:24.129
- our extension friends that are around there in the community room, which gets a lot of attention and

03:16:24.129 --> 03:16:31.647
- just the visibility is huge. And so it's always, I'm always appreciative that something on the south

03:16:31.647 --> 03:16:39.687
- side or heading towards the south side of the county is doing something big and it's not all just downtown.

03:16:39.687 --> 03:16:46.238
- Thank you. Anybody else? Any questions? All right. I will move on to public comment and

03:16:46.498 --> 03:16:58.951
- If there's public comment on this item, you can come forward to the lectern here in the room or raise

03:16:58.951 --> 03:17:11.526
- your hand via Teams. And seeing none. Councillor Hawke? Yes. Councillor Fiddle? Yes. Councillor Wilts?

03:17:11.526 --> 03:17:14.334
- Yes. Councillor Henry?

03:17:15.842 --> 03:17:22.870
- Councilor Decker? Yes. Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor Crossley? Yes. Motion passes unanimously. Okay,

03:17:22.870 --> 03:17:30.032
- thank you. All right, next up is item H. Council, I move to approve the Waste Reduction District's request

03:17:30.032 --> 03:17:36.859
- and fund 8210, general operating, for an additional appropriation of $69,000 in the capital category.

03:17:36.859 --> 03:17:43.486
- Second. All right, we got a motion and a second. Again. All right, this one's a little bit bigger.

03:17:43.810 --> 03:17:52.389
- But as you can imagine, for the services that we provide, we rely on a large fleet of roll-off boxes

03:17:52.389 --> 03:18:01.137
- for the recyclables and the waste that we collect at our facilities. And unfortunately, we have a very

03:18:01.137 --> 03:18:09.886
- aging inventory of those boxes that have not been properly maintained, I guess, over the years, to put

03:18:09.886 --> 03:18:12.094
- it bluntly. And we are in

03:18:12.322 --> 03:18:20.887
- The contractor that performs the repairs for us, you know, we are in immediate need of replacing I believe

03:18:20.887 --> 03:18:29.452
- the nine boxes identified in this appropriation request. And you'll see in a few months we'll be budgeting

03:18:29.452 --> 03:18:33.374
- to replace additional boxes in the coming years.

03:18:33.602 --> 03:18:41.477
- Our operations director, Joey Long, has developed a plan moving forward to better monitor the boxes

03:18:41.477 --> 03:18:49.432
- and inspect them more regularly and track the maintenance on them and work on a replacement schedule

03:18:49.432 --> 03:18:55.102
- so that we don't find ourselves in this situation again moving forward.

03:18:55.298 --> 03:19:04.113
- I believe we have about 62 boxes in our inventory. Over the coming years, we will probably be looking

03:19:04.113 --> 03:19:12.755
- at replacing 15 to 20 of those boxes in total. This is the first step of that. Unfortunately, we do

03:19:12.755 --> 03:19:16.990
- not have adequate funds in our capital category.

03:19:17.250 --> 03:19:25.033
- to purchase this, but I think you can see the information provided in the packet. You know, we do have

03:19:25.033 --> 03:19:32.590
- adequate unappropriated funds in the bank to cover this purchase, and so we are making the request.

03:19:32.590 --> 03:19:40.600
- Are these the big things we all throw our stuff in? Yes. Okay. That was a very nice description on paper,

03:19:40.600 --> 03:19:46.494
- but I'm like, wait a minute, I've spent a lot of time on these, so thank you.

03:19:46.690 --> 03:19:54.970
- At some point in time, I would like to know what you might expect down the line out of lip funds, which

03:19:54.970 --> 03:20:03.409
- I know you don't receive now, but I know that your revenue is going to change. So I haven't been watching

03:20:03.409 --> 03:20:10.654
- your meetings, but that's part of what I would like to have a separate conversation about.

03:20:15.266 --> 03:20:23.269
- No further questions or comments. We will move forward to public comment. There's public comment on

03:20:23.269 --> 03:20:30.792
- this item. You can come forward to the lectern here in the room or raise your hand via Teams.

03:20:30.792 --> 03:20:38.876
- Seeing none, may we please have a roll call vote? Councillor Crossley? Yes. Councillor Iverson? Yes.

03:20:38.876 --> 03:20:43.998
- Councillor Feidl? Yes. Councillor Hawke? Yes. Councillor Henry?

03:20:46.594 --> 03:20:53.665
- Councillor Decker. Yes. Passes unanimous. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good evening. All right.

03:20:53.665 --> 03:21:01.030
- Next up, I don't see the treasurer here, but there is item I for the treasurer. Her chief deputy is

03:21:01.030 --> 03:21:07.806
- here. Oh, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Okay. So we'll make Council Iverson make that motion.

03:21:08.002 --> 03:21:14.354
- I move to open for discussion and possible approval of the treasurer's request to be exempt from the

03:21:14.354 --> 03:21:21.146
- hiring freeze and be allowed to hire and fund 1000-0003 County General Treasurer, one full-time collections

03:21:21.146 --> 03:21:27.750
- deputy. Second. All right, we got a motion and a second. We are joined by the chief deputy. I'm so sorry

03:21:27.750 --> 03:21:34.227
- about that. Welcome. All right, so Kathy couldn't be here. She's in the hospital with her brother. Can

03:21:34.227 --> 03:21:37.246
- you pull the mic closer and down? There you go.

03:21:37.634 --> 03:21:47.776
- So my full-time employee, one of my four, is retiring and we need to fill the position. What else do

03:21:47.776 --> 03:21:58.320
- I need to say? All right. That was pretty simple. Okay. Questions or comments from council on this item?

03:21:58.320 --> 03:22:07.358
- Councilor Hawk. Yes. I had quite a long conversation with a treasurer and understand that

03:22:09.154 --> 03:22:16.359
- They have such a small group to do their job and it's hard if you lose one fourth of your workforce

03:22:16.359 --> 03:22:23.780
- and they need it. We need the treasurer's office to work smoothly with the auditor's office and we all

03:22:23.780 --> 03:22:30.985
- know how important the collections are because it seems that we don't know how to quit spending. We

03:22:30.985 --> 03:22:38.910
- just want you to bring us the money so we can spend it. So anyway, I appreciate the fact that this department

03:22:39.042 --> 03:22:45.593
- reached out to their liaison. We discussed this at length. Yes, Councilor Decker. First, best to Kathy

03:22:45.593 --> 03:22:52.080
- with everything going on. Thank you for being here and thank you for being patient. But also, I don't

03:22:52.080 --> 03:22:58.821
- want to ever to get lost in the busyness of this meeting, thanks to a 25-year employee who really devoted

03:22:58.821 --> 03:23:04.990
- time. That's a serious commitment to this county. It is. It's gonna be a big loss for knowledge.

03:23:09.474 --> 03:23:17.409
- Other further questions or comments on this item will go to public comment. Raise your hand via Teams,

03:23:17.409 --> 03:23:25.421
- or you can come forward to the podium in the room. Excuse me. And seeing none, maybe please have a roll

03:23:25.421 --> 03:23:33.433
- call vote. Councillor Iverson? Yes. Councillor Feidl? Yes. Councillor Hock? Yes. Councillor Wilts? Yes.

03:23:33.433 --> 03:23:39.134
- Councillor Henry? Yes. Councillor Deckard? Yes. Councillor Crossley? Yes.

03:23:39.330 --> 03:23:46.006
- Motion passes unanimous. All right, next up is item J. Council, I move to approve the treasurer's request

03:23:46.006 --> 03:23:52.619
- and fund 1000-0003 County General Treasurer to create account line 16800 transitional temporary training

03:23:52.619 --> 03:23:59.043
- position and simultaneously amend the 2026 salary ordinance to add the account line in order to allow

03:23:59.043 --> 03:24:05.404
- for a period of training on the collections deputy position. Second. All right, what would you like?

03:24:05.404 --> 03:24:07.230
- We will not be needing that.

03:24:07.586 --> 03:24:14.312
- As she is retiring Friday, we don't have a crossover time that we thought we would, so we will not be

03:24:14.312 --> 03:24:21.038
- needing any additional appropriation. Okay. So you don't need that account line at all? No. Okay. No,

03:24:21.038 --> 03:24:27.830
- we do not. Council, I move to remove my motion. Okay. So then that is all from the treasurer's office.

03:24:27.830 --> 03:24:34.490
- Thank you very much. All right. Thank you so much. Have a good evening. All right. Next up is item K

03:24:34.490 --> 03:24:36.798
- from the public defender's office.

03:24:36.930 --> 03:24:43.308
- Council, I move to open for discussion and possible approval of the public defender's request to be

03:24:43.308 --> 03:24:50.006
- exempt from the hiring freeze and be allowed to hire in fund 1000 dash zero two seven one county general

03:24:50.006 --> 03:24:56.512
- public defender one part time hourly position. Second. All right. We got a motion and a second. We're

03:24:56.512 --> 03:25:03.017
- joined by Mr. Hunt and Heather stuff. We're welcome. Hello. Good evening. Um, this council person and

03:25:03.017 --> 03:25:06.398
- members of the council, the, um, we have a part time

03:25:07.042 --> 03:25:19.351
- person, is that close enough? That does a number of things and that person is leaving to go to law school.

03:25:19.351 --> 03:25:30.969
- In addition to working in what I'll call our outer office, answering the phone, doing the mail, that

03:25:30.969 --> 03:25:36.606
- type of thing, this job has kind of evolved into

03:25:38.946 --> 03:25:48.873
- we call a discovery person, and that is to say, oh, some number of years back, if we would get a police

03:25:48.873 --> 03:25:58.800
- report or material from the prosecutor's office, it could be like this or it could be this or 50 pages.

03:25:58.800 --> 03:26:07.582
- Now, with all the electronic things, we get video cameras, we get all the things the police

03:26:07.746 --> 03:26:15.815
- badge recordings, which are unbelievable. And they send those all to this person who then distributes

03:26:15.815 --> 03:26:23.883
- those to the attorneys. So we need that job and we're asking that we be allowed, the money is already

03:26:23.883 --> 03:26:32.189
- there from last budget and we're asking to be allowed to hire. All right. All right. Thank you for that.

03:26:32.189 --> 03:26:36.382
- Any questions or comments from council on this item?

03:26:40.194 --> 03:26:48.957
- I was just curious how long you've had this one part-time person position about. I think we've had this

03:26:48.957 --> 03:26:57.383
- position about three years. Okay. And usually we hire them for about a year and then they go on and

03:26:57.383 --> 03:27:05.978
- go to graduate school or law school or something. Thank you. All right. So seeing none, we'll move to

03:27:05.978 --> 03:27:07.326
- public comment.

03:27:07.426 --> 03:27:18.399
- If there is public comment, please raise your hand via Teams or come forward to the lectern. And seeing

03:27:18.399 --> 03:27:29.160
- none, may we please have a roll call vote. Councilor Hawk? No. Councilor Wilts? Yes. Councilor Henry?

03:27:29.160 --> 03:27:36.862
- Yes. Councilor Deckard? Yes. Councilor Crossley? Yes. Councilor Iverson?

03:27:37.218 --> 03:27:44.842
- Councilor Feidl? Yes. Motion passes, majority six to one. Next up, item L. Council, I will mercifully

03:27:44.842 --> 03:27:52.391
- be combining items L and M into one motion. I move to approve the public defender's request and fund

03:27:52.391 --> 03:28:00.165
- 8117-0000 Title IV-E grants to create account lines that are outlined on the agenda, approve additional

03:28:00.165 --> 03:28:04.126
- appropriations of $64,349 in the personnel category,

03:28:04.418 --> 03:28:13.847
- and simultaneously amend the 2026 salary ordinance to add account lines 13038 system navigator and 13039

03:28:13.847 --> 03:28:23.006
- system navigator at 40 hours, Comet D, non-exempt. Second. We've got a motion in a second. What would

03:28:23.006 --> 03:28:31.806
- you like to add to this item? Yes, I will let, well, basically, we believe that we have the money

03:28:32.226 --> 03:28:42.842
- already for this year for these two positions. I will let Ms. Stufel explain how we got here. So the

03:28:42.842 --> 03:28:53.353
- Title IV-E grant, I believe we got starting in 2022, and it basically gives us the remaining 60% of

03:28:53.353 --> 03:29:00.606
- all of our cost expenses on CHINS cases and TPR cases. It covers the

03:29:01.154 --> 03:29:10.116
- remaining 60% that we aren't reimbursed from our state reimbursement, but only for those cases. So we,

03:29:10.116 --> 03:29:19.165
- I believe have about $84,000 in there, 80 some thousand that we've received since the inception of this

03:29:19.165 --> 03:29:27.866
- grant. And we would like to get some of those funds appropriated to help the rest of the year cover

03:29:27.866 --> 03:29:30.302
- those two system navigators

03:29:31.586 --> 03:29:46.428
- since the system navigator grant is now gone. We have the money, we just need permission to spend it.

03:29:46.428 --> 03:30:00.542
- All right. Yes, Councilor Williams. I'm just asking about the future of these positions ahead of

03:30:01.250 --> 03:30:08.659
- budget preparation, what should we expect to see? Okay, sure. Um, this, this grant, I know we're in

03:30:08.659 --> 03:30:16.216
- for a number of years, three or four years, and it's gradually being phased out by the state. Um, the

03:30:16.216 --> 03:30:23.625
- county has then picked it up. Uh, and I think county is now paying 60% and the state is still doing

03:30:23.625 --> 03:30:29.182
- the 40%. That is, that is gone. That's why we're using this money. So yes,

03:30:29.474 --> 03:30:40.557
- and budget time, we will have to come out back and ask for appropriation for the two positions. So it'd

03:30:40.557 --> 03:30:51.214
- be 40% above what the county is paying right now on each position. In the 2027 budget. 2027, right.

03:30:51.214 --> 03:30:57.182
- And I did include that on the 144s. You're using money,

03:30:57.858 --> 03:31:07.075
- that you get back from the state to fund this part, but for 2027, are you looking at that same funding

03:31:07.075 --> 03:31:16.203
- source or maybe general fund or? Well, I'm asking for them to be fully funded instead of 60%, 100% in

03:31:16.203 --> 03:31:25.241
- county general, yes. Okay, that's what I thought, thank you. And this other, the four, is it the 4E?

03:31:25.241 --> 03:31:26.494
- That fund is,

03:31:27.074 --> 03:31:34.309
- We can use it for anything, but it's directed towards juveniles. And that's what these system navigators

03:31:34.309 --> 03:31:41.613
- work in. So we've talked to the people in Indianapolis and they say that's permissible to use that money.

03:31:41.613 --> 03:31:48.504
- One thing, not on this, because it sounds like you've done all the money wizardry that we always do

03:31:48.504 --> 03:31:53.534
- to manage this day to day and then start heading towards the next thing.

03:31:53.922 --> 03:32:02.411
- For next year, if we were to do that fully fund, is there a portion of that? That would be 40% talk

03:32:02.411 --> 03:32:11.069
- about that. Our state reimbursement covers. They reimburse us 40% of all expenses for public defense.

03:32:11.069 --> 03:32:19.727
- So toilet paper even is reimbursed at 40%. That's I always like to ask about that so that doesn't get

03:32:19.727 --> 03:32:23.038
- lost in the shuffle. This is a unique.

03:32:23.426 --> 03:32:30.301
- county agency that is not unlike any other. And if there's a legislature, remember the legislature that's

03:32:30.301 --> 03:32:37.306
- eavesdropping on any of this meeting after we had that first half talking about our future and difficulties

03:32:37.306 --> 03:32:43.792
- with money. This model for the state's involvement in all things judiciary might not be too far off

03:32:43.792 --> 03:32:50.278
- on what they should look at, but that's something we always have to keep in mind that the fact that

03:32:50.278 --> 03:32:52.094
- literally that toilet paper

03:32:52.194 --> 03:33:01.495
- it gets that reimbursement rate and that has to factor into that decision-making. Yes, Councillor Hock.

03:33:01.495 --> 03:33:10.706
- Yes, I do remember when this was brought to us as a new service and we asked specifically what are you

03:33:10.706 --> 03:33:19.918
- going to do because there's no guarantee it was going to go on and we continued to tell everybody when

03:33:19.918 --> 03:33:21.438
- you lose a grant

03:33:22.306 --> 03:33:32.779
- that you lose the position. Now I understand I'm the only person that's going to vote against continuing

03:33:32.779 --> 03:33:43.052
- to grow grant employees. Folks, you saw what happened with our budget this past year. We were millions

03:33:43.052 --> 03:33:46.942
- spending more than what was coming in.

03:33:48.194 --> 03:33:55.643
- Well, I would say this, we keep arresting more people, prosecuting more people, so they're afraid you

03:33:55.643 --> 03:34:02.946
- have to defend them. I get it. And especially I appreciate the fact that this is tied to juveniles.

03:34:02.946 --> 03:34:10.249
- Right. And I believe from everything I see and read that we're having more and more problems in the

03:34:10.249 --> 03:34:14.046
- juvenile section of people who need public defense.

03:34:14.434 --> 03:34:23.422
- So this is a tough one to try to figure out, but it looks like you've got it figured out for at least

03:34:23.422 --> 03:34:32.409
- one year. Is that right? And then when we do budgets for 2027, we'll have to look at this as we would

03:34:32.409 --> 03:34:42.014
- any. So I would just support it for getting us through this year. Are there any other questions or comments?

03:34:46.370 --> 03:34:54.657
- Seeing none, I'll go ahead and go to public comment. If there's public comment, you can come forward

03:34:54.657 --> 03:35:02.943
- to the lectern here in the room and raise your hand via Teams. Seeing none, maybe please have a roll

03:35:02.943 --> 03:35:11.394
- call vote. Councillor Wilts? Yes. Councillor Henry? Yes. Councillor Deckard? Yes. Councillor Crossley?

03:35:11.394 --> 03:35:15.742
- Yes. Councillor Iverson? Yes. Councillor Feidl? Yes.

03:35:17.186 --> 03:35:25.754
- yes now but don't count on it for next year's budget. Motion passes unanimously. Next up is item in.

03:35:25.754 --> 03:35:34.915
- Council I move to approve the public defender's request and fund 8117-0000 title IVE grant to deappropriate

03:35:34.915 --> 03:35:42.974
- $35,000 in the services category. All right we got a motion and a second. This is some of that

03:35:44.418 --> 03:35:53.735
- for e-money that we moved to special services in case we needed it. We haven't needed it this year and

03:35:53.735 --> 03:36:03.051
- so we're putting it back to fund the rest of these two people for the rest of this year. Any questions

03:36:03.051 --> 03:36:13.182
- or comments on this item? Seeing none, I'll go to public comment. Come forward to the lectern here in the room.

03:36:13.314 --> 03:36:20.902
- or raise your hand via Teams. And seeing none, maybe please have a roll call vote. Councilor Decker?

03:36:20.902 --> 03:36:28.940
- Yes. Councilor Crossley? Yes. Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor Feidl? Yes. Councilor Hawk? Yes. Councilor

03:36:28.940 --> 03:36:36.829
- Wilts? Yes. Councilor Henry? Yes. Motion passes unanimous. All right. Thank you very much. We appreciate

03:36:36.829 --> 03:36:38.782
- it. Thank you. Thank you.

03:36:39.778 --> 03:36:51.267
- Great. Next up, we have a statement. Wait, we're going to chat lab. No, the salary ordinance portion.

03:36:51.267 --> 03:37:01.854
- We combine that. We combine those together. We combine those. So, all right. Item O. Council.

03:37:02.274 --> 03:37:09.765
- Council, I move to approve the probation department's request and fund 9122-0000 JDAI coordination to

03:37:09.765 --> 03:37:17.329
- create account lines as outlined on the agenda and to simultaneously approve additional appropriations

03:37:17.329 --> 03:37:24.673
- of $3,200 in the supplies category and $2,250 in the services category for a total appropriation of

03:37:24.673 --> 03:37:30.622
- $5,450. Second. All right. And we are joined by the one and the only Ms. Linder.

03:37:30.786 --> 03:37:38.190
- welcome thank you good evening I'm Linda Brady chief probation officer so this is an annual appropriation

03:37:38.190 --> 03:37:45.523
- for the juvenile detention alternatives initiative grant that we received this grant from the Department

03:37:45.523 --> 03:37:52.647
- of Correction and the Indiana Department of Correction requires that we have three separate grants so

03:37:52.647 --> 03:37:58.654
- for these different purposes they require one for coordination and implementation and

03:37:58.914 --> 03:38:06.182
- one for data analysis, and one for programming. So this is the first of the three appropriation requests.

03:38:06.182 --> 03:38:13.380
- This is for the coordination and implementation grant, and it funds JDAI activities such as professional

03:38:13.380 --> 03:38:20.511
- development materials, travel training, and meals for committee and work group meetings. Any questions?

03:38:20.511 --> 03:38:26.270
- All right, any questions she asks? So looking to council to see if anybody has any.

03:38:28.642 --> 03:38:38.866
- No, it's a pleasure to appropriate money like this. Nice. Right. Sorry, my brain is gone. So public

03:38:38.866 --> 03:38:49.295
- comment time, yes. If there's public comment, you can come forward to the lectern here in the room or

03:38:49.295 --> 03:38:55.838
- raise your hand via Teams. Can we please have a roll call vote?

03:39:04.418 --> 03:39:15.868
- Councillor Crossley. Yes. Councillor Iverson. Yes. Councillor Fiddle has stepped away. Councillor Hawke.

03:39:15.868 --> 03:39:26.990
- Yes. Councillor Henry. Yes. Councillor Wilts. Yes. Councillor Decker. Yes. Passes unanimous 6-0. Next

03:39:26.990 --> 03:39:28.190
- up item P.

03:39:28.706 --> 03:39:36.369
- Council, I move to approve the Probation Department's request and fund 9123-0000 JDAI programming to

03:39:36.369 --> 03:39:44.185
- create account lines as outlined on the agenda and to simultaneously approve additional appropriations

03:39:44.185 --> 03:39:51.924
- of $21,400 in the supplies category and $39,400 in the services category for a total appropriation of

03:39:51.924 --> 03:39:53.214
- $60,800. Second.

03:39:53.442 --> 03:39:59.885
- All right, we got a motion and a resounding second. What would you like to add? OK, to add to that,

03:39:59.885 --> 03:40:06.714
- I forgot to mention that the total of all the grants is 80,000 this grant year, which is a 5,000 increase

03:40:06.714 --> 03:40:13.544
- over last grant year. And it's pretty surprising to be able to get an increase because the state actually

03:40:13.544 --> 03:40:20.051
- cut the JDAI budget line in the state budget. So to get an increase, that was quite a surprise and a

03:40:20.051 --> 03:40:21.662
- tribute to, I think, our

03:40:21.794 --> 03:40:29.500
- excellent JDAI program. And I want to also give a shout out to Christine McAfee, our wonderful JDAI

03:40:29.500 --> 03:40:37.436
- coordinator. She does so much community work to get these programs up and going and with the community

03:40:37.436 --> 03:40:45.296
- partners. So the programming, that is the most of the grant. The grant is mostly to do contracts with

03:40:45.296 --> 03:40:49.534
- local programming and to work with youth and families.

03:40:50.114 --> 03:40:57.913
- and we do it through MOUs, memorandums of understanding that Molly is now diligently working on 10 of

03:40:57.913 --> 03:41:05.865
- them for next week. So for such things as Monroe County Childhood Conditions Summit, People and Animals

03:41:05.865 --> 03:41:13.818
- Learning Services, PALS, work on the parent project, Parent Teen Solutions, Truancy Termination Program

03:41:13.818 --> 03:41:17.182
- with Youth Services Bureau, Teen Intervene,

03:41:17.602 --> 03:41:23.199
- in the warehouse youth mentoring program. That's just to name some of the programs. And again, Christine

03:41:23.199 --> 03:41:28.742
- works really hard with the community partners to figure out what the needs are to try to fill some gaps

03:41:28.742 --> 03:41:34.072
- with this funding. It's not a ton of money, but it's enough so that parents and families don't have

03:41:34.072 --> 03:41:39.456
- to pay anything for these services. And it's open to community members. You don't have to be justice

03:41:39.456 --> 03:41:42.654
- involved. You don't have to be involved in the chin system.

03:41:43.298 --> 03:41:50.303
- It's really for anybody. So it's excellent opportunities for our community. Thank you for that

03:41:50.303 --> 03:41:57.897
- and congratulations. I know last year, either last year or this year, we were hearing that the MC3 was

03:41:57.897 --> 03:42:05.418
- having some funding issues. So this gives me great joy to see that they have something that hopefully

03:42:05.418 --> 03:42:13.086
- they will be able to continue. So that's really good. And I know my oldest had participated. Yes, yeah.

03:42:13.218 --> 03:42:22.186
- Yeah, a while ago back in the summit. So I appreciate that. Thank you. Any other questions or comments

03:42:22.186 --> 03:42:31.589
- for Ms. Brady on this item? Refreshing part of the evening. We need it. So we'll move on to public comment.

03:42:31.589 --> 03:42:40.383
- If there is public comment, you can raise your hand via Teams or you can come forward to the lectern

03:42:40.383 --> 03:42:41.950
- here in the room.

03:42:42.338 --> 03:42:51.634
- Seeing none, may we please have a roll call vote? Councillor Iverson? Yes. Councillor Feidl? Yes. Councillor

03:42:51.634 --> 03:43:00.504
- Hawke? Yes. Councillor Wilts? Yes. Councillor Henry? Yes. Councillor Deckard? Yes. Councillor Crossley?

03:43:00.504 --> 03:43:08.350
- Yes. Motion passes unanimous, 7-0. Okay, and last up on the probation department is item Q.

03:43:08.802 --> 03:43:15.620
- Council, I move to approve the probation department's request and fund ninety one seventy five dash

03:43:15.620 --> 03:43:22.438
- zero zero zero zero JD AI data analysis grant to create new account lines as outlined on the agenda

03:43:22.438 --> 03:43:29.392
- and simultaneously approve additional appropriations of thirteen thousand seven hundred fifty dollars

03:43:29.392 --> 03:43:36.346
- in the services category. All right. We got a motion in a second. Would you like that? Just that this

03:43:36.346 --> 03:43:37.982
- funds our data analysis

03:43:38.146 --> 03:43:46.239
- services from Impact Solutions, also Indiana University research partners who are working with our clientele

03:43:46.239 --> 03:43:53.962
- to evaluate their impressions of the services that they receive from the probation department, and then

03:43:53.962 --> 03:44:01.758
- also request case management licenses. That's our case management database. So kind of techie, more tech

03:44:01.954 --> 03:44:10.764
- things and analysis and more data. That's something Christine talks a lot about is trying to make data

03:44:10.764 --> 03:44:19.659
- informed decisions with JDAI. So that's where this money is put towards. That's it. Thank you very much

03:44:19.659 --> 03:44:27.614
- for that. All right. Any questions or comments for Ms. Brady on her final item? Seeing none.

03:44:28.002 --> 03:44:35.606
- We'll go to public comment. If there's public comment on this item, you can raise your hand via Teams

03:44:35.606 --> 03:44:43.210
- or come forward to the lectern here in the room. And seeing none, maybe please have a roll call vote.

03:44:43.210 --> 03:44:50.889
- Councillor Feidl? Yes. Councillor Hawke? Yes. Councillor Wilts? Yes. Councillor Henry? Yes. Councillor

03:44:50.889 --> 03:44:57.822
- Decker? Yes. Councillor Crossley? Yes. Councillor Iverson? Yes. Motion passes unanimous 7-0.

03:44:57.954 --> 03:45:04.919
- All right, we appreciate it. Thank you very much. Have a good night. Thank you for your patience.

03:45:04.919 --> 03:45:12.594
- All right, next up is item R from the health department. Council, I move to approve the health department's

03:45:12.594 --> 03:45:20.198
- request and fund 8104-9626 Public Health Emergency Preparedness Grant for a category transfer of $1,998.91

03:45:20.198 --> 03:45:26.878
- from the services category to the supplies category. All right, we got a motion and a second.

03:45:27.170 --> 03:45:34.736
- and we are joined here by Ms. Lori Kelly. Welcome. Good evening. This grant cycle is winding down, so

03:45:34.736 --> 03:45:42.302
- we've just been looking at some ways that we can move some of the funds around to be able to use down

03:45:42.302 --> 03:45:45.566
- the remaining balances. We did recently our

03:45:45.986 --> 03:45:52.744
- Public Health Preparedness Director came to me with some ideas about ways that we could use some of

03:45:52.744 --> 03:46:00.043
- our funds for supplies. So that's really the purpose of this request. We'll be able to allow us to purchase

03:46:00.043 --> 03:46:06.868
- prescription bottles that we can have on stock when needed and sunscreen, educational materials that

03:46:06.868 --> 03:46:13.964
- we're planning for a health fair coming up July 19th. All right. Any questions or comments for Ms. Kelly

03:46:13.964 --> 03:46:14.910
- on this item?

03:46:20.354 --> 03:46:28.419
- We'll move to public comment. If there's public comment on this item, you can come forward to the lectern

03:46:28.419 --> 03:46:36.789
- here in the room or raise your hand via team. And seeing none, maybe please have a roll call vote. Councillor

03:46:36.789 --> 03:46:44.701
- Hawke. Yes. Councillor Wilks. Yes. Councillor Henry. Yes. Councillor Deckard. Yes. Councillor Crossley.

03:46:44.701 --> 03:46:48.734
- Yes. Councillor Iverson. Yes. Councillor Feidl. Yes.

03:46:48.834 --> 03:46:57.489
- Motion passes unanimous 7-0. Thank you. Next up is item S. Council, I will be combining items S and

03:46:57.489 --> 03:46:59.134
- T into one motion.

03:46:59.298 --> 03:47:07.699
- I move to approve the health department's request and fund 8111-9624 crisis coag supplemental workforce

03:47:07.699 --> 03:47:15.292
- grant for a category transfer of $27,126 from the services category to the personnel category

03:47:15.292 --> 03:47:23.854
- and simultaneously create new account lines as outlined on the agenda and amend the 2026 salary ordinance

03:47:23.854 --> 03:47:28.862
- to add account line 10176 public health nurse 35 hours Pat C.

03:47:29.058 --> 03:47:35.262
- Non exempt. What would you like to add to this item?

03:47:36.482 --> 03:47:43.284
- much so this is just moving this position out of the Health First Indiana funds into those remaining

03:47:43.284 --> 03:47:50.220
- grant funds that we're working to continue spending down. Currently that fund is supporting our public

03:47:50.220 --> 03:47:57.156
- health nurse school liaison position and we are looking at moving our other nurse position that covers

03:47:57.156 --> 03:48:03.486
- communicable disease into this same fund next year to just continue working these funds down.

03:48:10.402 --> 03:48:19.581
- I know I have seen this a hundred times but I have no idea what it stands for what is crisis coag is

03:48:19.581 --> 03:48:28.851
- that short for something? Yes cooperative agreement I believe so it's back like COVID when there were

03:48:28.851 --> 03:48:33.758
- different funding sources. Thank you. You're welcome.

03:48:43.842 --> 03:48:54.459
- me did we do something similar with the different position like this on the 20s like at our May 26 meeting

03:48:54.459 --> 03:49:04.579
- we recently came for approval to hire the public health nurse school liaison position which is funded

03:49:04.579 --> 03:49:11.326
- by these dollars right now okay okay and so is this covered through

03:49:12.482 --> 03:49:21.793
- next year or yes so we anticipate that we'll still be using these funds next year. Part of the reason

03:49:21.793 --> 03:49:29.918
- for this change is it does allow flexibility because we don't have those restrictions on

03:49:30.466 --> 03:49:36.530
- only being able to serve Indiana residents who can prove that they're lawfully here. So that's really

03:49:36.530 --> 03:49:42.772
- kind of one of the reasons we were working with a candidate who we thought we were going to move forward

03:49:42.772 --> 03:49:48.835
- with. And really, when you have a new nurse coming into these positions, there's so much that they're

03:49:48.835 --> 03:49:54.780
- already taking on learning to kind of add that additional piece. It's just kind of a challenge. And

03:49:54.780 --> 03:50:00.190
- if we have options to reduce one thing from their plate, that's really kind of what I just

03:50:00.322 --> 03:50:07.597
- wanted to be able to do for them. Okay and I guess the only other question is because Indiana has a

03:50:07.597 --> 03:50:15.018
- whiplash of doing all the things and I know of course we've kind of over the past year have gone back

03:50:15.018 --> 03:50:22.585
- and forth with moving things in and out. Is there any indication that once this grant is over with next

03:50:22.585 --> 03:50:29.278
- year do you think you will be awarded this again to continue these initiatives? Not for the

03:50:29.602 --> 03:50:37.030
- intended original purpose, because this was really to increase workforce capacity during COVID and some

03:50:37.030 --> 03:50:44.173
- of those response periods. So it was more related to preparedness. So no, we don't anticipate this,

03:50:44.173 --> 03:50:51.530
- these same dollars, preceding them in the future. Okay. Yes, Councilor Iverson. When you were, we keep

03:50:51.530 --> 03:50:56.958
- talking about nurses and when you were here last time, we talked about just

03:50:57.218 --> 03:51:04.883
- how competitive the field is because there's not enough nurses in the field. Can you give us a quick

03:51:04.883 --> 03:51:12.852
- update on vacancies in your department? Sure. So we have reposted with the updated changes to the health

03:51:12.852 --> 03:51:20.062
- services director. So we're getting interest in applicants for that position. We have received

03:51:20.258 --> 03:51:25.933
- an enormous amount of applications for the clinical assistant, which we were really expecting because

03:51:25.933 --> 03:51:31.552
- that's the most interest that we were getting before we actually even received approval for that. So

03:51:31.552 --> 03:51:37.338
- we're working on setting up interviews now. There's someone in the office who's doing our pre-screening

03:51:37.338 --> 03:51:42.846
- and getting those scheduled. I did happen to notice recently that the public health nurse position

03:51:42.946 --> 03:51:50.270
- Um, I'm not really sure what happened, but had been removed from the County website. So for some period

03:51:50.270 --> 03:51:57.312
- of time, that job was not posted. Um, so that's now been corrected. And so we'll be looking to move

03:51:57.312 --> 03:52:04.495
- forward and trying to recruit for those positions. Thank you. Yes. Ms. Turner King. I have, um, maybe

03:52:04.495 --> 03:52:09.918
- a clarifying question. Is the school liaison position currently vacant? Yes.

03:52:11.554 --> 03:52:20.420
- And what is the grant term? We just spin them down. So it ended. So we have approval from the Indiana

03:52:20.420 --> 03:52:29.721
- Department of Health to continue using these funds as needed for department activities. Is that permission

03:52:29.721 --> 03:52:37.022
- anyway? Time limit? My concern is if you if we move a vacant position into a grant,

03:52:37.346 --> 03:52:46.233
- are we at risk losing the grant funding? Because as long as it's vacant, we're not spending the funds.

03:52:46.233 --> 03:52:55.207
- So is the permission to use the funds in any way time limited? No. Any other questions or comments from

03:52:55.207 --> 03:52:57.278
- council for Miss Kelly?

03:52:59.714 --> 03:53:07.955
- Seeing none, we'll move to public comment. If there's public comment, you can come here in the room,

03:53:07.955 --> 03:53:16.196
- or comment here in the room, or you can raise your hand via Teams. Seeing none, may we please have a

03:53:16.196 --> 03:53:24.600
- roll call vote? Councilor Wilts? Yes. Councilor Henry? Yes. Councilor Decker? Yes. Councilor Crossley?

03:53:24.600 --> 03:53:28.190
- Yes. Councilor Hawke? Yes. Councilor Feidl?

03:53:29.090 --> 03:53:38.322
- Councillor Iverson. Yes. Motion passes unanimous. All right. Next up is item U. Council, I'll be combining

03:53:38.322 --> 03:53:47.036
- items U and V into one motion. I move to approve the health department's request and fund 1161-9625,

03:53:47.036 --> 03:53:54.974
- local public health services, a deappropriation of $54,367.40 in the personnel category and

03:53:55.234 --> 03:54:04.262
- In fund 1161-9626, local public health services, a deappropriation of $19,727.60 in the personnel category.

03:54:04.262 --> 03:54:13.373
- Second. All right. We got a motion and a second. Ms. Kelly. I think this is basically just for housekeeping.

03:54:13.373 --> 03:54:21.565
- So since we're moving the position to the 8111, this is just deappropriating where it's currently

03:54:21.565 --> 03:54:23.070
- appropriated now.

03:54:26.818 --> 03:54:38.437
- Any questions or comments for Ms. Kelly? None? We'll have a comment. If there's public comment, raise

03:54:38.437 --> 03:54:49.829
- your hand via Teams or come here in the NETU Hill Room. Seeing none, may we please have a roll call

03:54:49.829 --> 03:54:53.246
- vote? Councilor Deckard? Yes.

03:55:03.074 --> 03:55:11.165
- Councillor Crossley? Yes. Councillor Iverson? Yes. Councillor Feidl? Yes. Councillor Wilz? Yes. Councillor

03:55:11.165 --> 03:55:19.255
- Henry? Yes. Motion passes unanimous 6-0. Thank you. Thank you very much. All right. Next up we are getting

03:55:19.255 --> 03:55:25.758
- down to the end of the alphabet. So we are going to item W from the legal department.

03:55:25.922 --> 03:55:33.739
- Council, I move to approve resolution 2026-23A, a tax abatement request for Cientia LLC. Second.

03:55:33.739 --> 03:55:40.670
- All right. We got a motion and a second. We are joined here by Mr. Cockrell. Welcome.

03:55:41.282 --> 03:55:48.567
- Yes, and I thank you, Clark Leiner with the Bloomington Economic Development Commission and Mr. McDaniel,

03:55:48.567 --> 03:55:55.645
- who is a principal at the business. This is step one in a process. If approved tonight, we will notice

03:55:55.645 --> 03:56:02.724
- your July 14th meeting for a public hearing. That is needed to declare an economic revitalization area

03:56:02.724 --> 03:56:06.366
- and proceed with the tax abatement. I will note that

03:56:06.562 --> 03:56:12.516
- I think in the packet it has both a real property and a personal property tax abatement. I think, as

03:56:12.516 --> 03:56:18.589
- you probably heard earlier today, there's a higher limit. And we went ahead and we had done that check

03:56:18.589 --> 03:56:24.484
- to see if it would qualify. And we believe that all their personal property is under $2 million. So

03:56:24.484 --> 03:56:30.438
- they would not have any personal property taxes on the equipment. So really, we're just asking for a

03:56:30.438 --> 03:56:32.030
- real estate tax abatement.

03:56:32.130 --> 03:56:41.324
- At this point, I think the total value of the tax abatement over 10 years for the real estate portion

03:56:41.324 --> 03:56:50.517
- is about $82,000, so you're looking at an average of $8,000 a year in abated taxes. They are planning

03:56:50.517 --> 03:56:59.711
- on hiring 30 people, and those 30 people will make a, I think it's $2.2 million, so just over $70,000

03:56:59.711 --> 03:57:01.694
- a person per employee

03:57:01.890 --> 03:57:10.032
- for the higher. Really there's a minimum amount of actual real estate investment, which is why that

03:57:10.032 --> 03:57:18.418
- annual amount is low and just as a, I think also as described earlier today, we're really leaning more

03:57:18.418 --> 03:57:26.560
- on income tax as funding things as opposed to real estate taxes. So we're kind of shifting and this

03:57:26.560 --> 03:57:31.038
- is kind of something that we're gonna highlight as we,

03:57:31.170 --> 03:57:37.980
- as we move forward. This did go to the Economic Development Commission on June 9th. They recommended

03:57:37.980 --> 03:57:44.722
- approval of this tax abatement moving forward. And so with that, I will turn it over to the, unless

03:57:44.722 --> 03:57:51.937
- you have questions for me, I will turn it over to the business. Hi, I am Doug McDaniel. I am the president

03:57:51.937 --> 03:57:58.679
- and managing member of Scantia LLC and also the managing member of Interchange Investments LLC that

03:57:58.679 --> 03:58:00.702
- is the owner of the property.

03:58:01.954 --> 03:58:11.181
- And I really appreciate your consideration of our request tonight for this ERA. And I also admire your

03:58:11.181 --> 03:58:20.588
- stamina. So thank you very much. We hire a lot of really highly educated, high tech folks here in Monroe

03:58:20.588 --> 03:58:29.726
- County. We do software engineering, systems integration, cyber security, and we're focused on counter

03:58:29.922 --> 03:58:38.919
- UAS and AI and computer vision integration into force protection systems for the Department of Defense.

03:58:38.919 --> 03:58:47.916
- We work a lot with NSWC crane. In fact, a handful of our employees are former, including myself, former

03:58:47.916 --> 03:58:56.654
- crane employees. So we're very honored and privileged to be able to do things that help keep our war

03:58:56.654 --> 03:58:59.422
- fighters safer. I know Congress

03:58:59.522 --> 03:59:08.582
- Councillor Fiddle has heard some of this before, so I apologize for repeating what I said, but we do

03:59:08.582 --> 03:59:17.731
- a lot of sensor integration to help our war fighters have a better situational awareness when they're

03:59:17.731 --> 03:59:25.086
- in harm's way. I'd like to share something with you real quickly that is a recent

03:59:25.250 --> 03:59:33.607
- memorandum that was for the Chief Technology Officer to the Chief of Staff of the Army, Dr. Rex Miller,

03:59:33.607 --> 03:59:41.803
- and this was on 3 June of this year. It says, in part, Schiantia LLC participated with the Integrated

03:59:41.803 --> 03:59:45.982
- Sensor Architecture System, integrating the ISA API

03:59:46.562 --> 03:59:53.641
- V1.1 into the operation jailbreak validation environment. During the event, Scantia LLC demonstrated

03:59:53.641 --> 04:00:01.352
- validated documentation, heartbeat connectivity, data streaming, and asset control through a representational

04:00:01.352 --> 04:00:08.361
- State transfer-based interface informed by protocol buffer schemas. ISA met the intent of operation

04:00:08.361 --> 04:00:13.758
- jailbreak. That is just an example of what we do. Basically, that is so that

04:00:13.922 --> 04:00:21.664
- The Army will be able to integrate sensors from disparate vendors and not have to worry about their

04:00:21.664 --> 04:00:29.561
- proprietary interfaces. It's as if you were jailbreaking your phone to use a different carrier. We're

04:00:29.561 --> 04:00:37.381
- not helping anybody get out of jail, actually. We currently have 39 employees. Our average salary is

04:00:37.381 --> 04:00:40.478
- just a little north of $105,000 a year.

04:00:41.538 --> 04:00:50.703
- But 90% of our employees are in Indiana, 74% of those are here in Monroe County. The average longevity

04:00:50.703 --> 04:01:00.135
- of our folks is right at five and a half years. And we've got quite a few young folks as well. We started

04:01:00.135 --> 04:01:08.766
- the company in 2010. 33% of our employees have graduate degrees and we have three PhDs on staff.

04:01:10.466 --> 04:01:17.128
- One of the things that we have to do is try to keep our rates low because, as one of our government

04:01:17.128 --> 04:01:23.990
- customers told me one time, you know the government wants to hire Albert Einstein but wants to pay him

04:01:23.990 --> 04:01:30.851
- like a fast food worker. So it's very competitive for us, but we're fairly unique because there aren't

04:01:30.851 --> 04:01:38.046
- a lot of high tech companies providing these kinds of services to crane and to the government in this area.

04:01:38.466 --> 04:01:45.572
- But in addition to the salaries that we pay, competitive salaries that we pay, we also pay 90% of the

04:01:45.572 --> 04:01:52.887
- health insurance premiums for our employees. We do a Safe Harbor 401K plan with a 4.5% matching, company

04:01:52.887 --> 04:01:59.924
- matching. We do profit sharing when we can, and we've done that for the last several years. And then

04:01:59.924 --> 04:02:03.198
- last year, it was a little over 9% of the W-2.

04:02:03.554 --> 04:02:10.099
- wages for our employees. I hope we can continue doing that as well. We do annual Christmas bonuses.

04:02:10.099 --> 04:02:17.102
- We provide short-term and long-term disability insurance that this company paid for. We do 11 paid federal

04:02:17.102 --> 04:02:23.647
- holidays, continuing education reimbursement, and seven of our employees are members of the LLC. So

04:02:23.647 --> 04:02:29.406
- we're trying to hire and retain the best and brightest here, and we've worked some with

04:02:29.730 --> 04:02:37.804
- IU, the school, some of our cybersecurity folks obviously coming from there. We've worked some with

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- that P school up north. About a half of our employees are actually from Rose-Holman, as you might have

04:02:46.121 --> 04:02:54.196
- noticed. Thank you again for considering our request. Are there any questions you have of me that I

04:02:54.196 --> 04:02:55.326
- might answer?

04:02:57.538 --> 04:03:03.887
- Yes, Councilor Iverson. I don't have any questions. I just have two points. Number one, I apologize

04:03:03.887 --> 04:03:10.236
- for mispronouncing the name of your company. That's perfectly fine. I'll tell you real quickly. The

04:03:10.236 --> 04:03:16.839
- story is we wanted to name nobody could pronounce. Nobody knew what it was, what it meant. Nobody could

04:03:16.839 --> 04:03:23.505
- spell and it proved none of us took marketing in school. So I think we hit a home run. I think it sounds

04:03:23.505 --> 04:03:25.854
- like you're doing just fine. And I'm

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- The things I really like about these tax abatements is the growth that these abatements allow you to

04:03:32.893 --> 04:03:40.037
- have in terms of employees. And one of the things that a lot of us are really concerned about is making

04:03:40.037 --> 04:03:46.976
- sure that other people know what a great place this is to live and what a great place it is to work.

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- So we appreciate you joining us in our endeavor. Absolutely. Thank you so much. The construction costs

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- are more than I expected.

04:03:55.938 --> 04:04:02.536
- but we are doubling the size, our capacity, and we've run out of space where we are now, so. I believe

04:04:02.536 --> 04:04:08.943
- it. That's exactly why we're wanting to do this. Yes, Councilor Feidl. So I appreciate being in the

04:04:08.943 --> 04:04:15.477
- first meeting, and I am appreciative of all the things you've related here, but I don't remember ever

04:04:15.477 --> 04:04:22.204
- hearing what your average seniority is of the workers you have. Do you know, like, the long-term service

04:04:22.204 --> 04:04:24.574
- of people that have worked with you?

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- As I said, the average for the folks that are currently in our company is five and a half years. Oh,

04:04:31.694 --> 04:04:38.719
- five. I'm sorry. I missed that. No, no, no. That's fine. But we have probably five who have been with

04:04:38.719 --> 04:04:45.607
- us at least 10 years. Two of us, of course, are original co-founders. So we have been there for 16,

04:04:45.607 --> 04:04:52.632
- coming on 16 years now. I am super impressed with the health insurance portion that you pay for them.

04:04:52.632 --> 04:04:54.078
- That is really good.

04:04:55.298 --> 04:05:02.413
- We have to, I mean, it's a competitive market for the talent. And one of the, I've read in the past

04:05:02.413 --> 04:05:09.955
- that typically with high tech, especially software engineering type companies, that the average longevity

04:05:09.955 --> 04:05:17.498
- is closer to two years. And so we really want to hire folks, bring them up and teach them because working

04:05:17.498 --> 04:05:25.182
- for the government is different in a lot of respects. Supporting the systems that we support takes a lot of

04:05:25.410 --> 04:05:31.654
- corporate knowledge, if you will, and a lot of experience. And so we really only hire people that we

04:05:31.654 --> 04:05:37.959
- want to keep for as long as they want to stay with us, and we want that to be a long time. Excellent.

04:05:37.959 --> 04:05:44.573
- Chancellor Henry. Thank you. And Mr. Cockerill, I just had a question. So just so I'm clear on our process

04:05:44.573 --> 04:05:50.817
- tonight, our vote tonight is to move it forward to public notice, and we're going to talk about this

04:05:50.817 --> 04:05:51.806
- again. Correct.

04:05:53.730 --> 04:06:00.593
- I would just preface by saying I'll be abstaining from this vote tonight. I just want to make sure that

04:06:00.593 --> 04:06:07.719
- any conflict of interest I may have is understood before proceeding with my vote. So that's just explaining

04:06:07.719 --> 04:06:14.384
- my abstention as to why I'm abstaining. It gives me a side eye in a minute. So there you go. Thanks.

04:06:14.384 --> 04:06:21.444
- Thank you. No side eyes from here. Okay. Councillor Wilks. Yeah. I'm not in your field. And so my question

04:06:21.444 --> 04:06:23.358
- comes from that perspective.

04:06:23.874 --> 04:06:34.653
- Are there any environmental regulations that apply to your business and your productions that we would

04:06:34.653 --> 04:06:45.118
- be interested in? No, we do almost exclusively software engineering and cyber security stuff. So we

04:06:45.118 --> 04:06:52.862
- have a lab, but it's all computers, servers. We have some of the sensors.

04:06:53.282 --> 04:07:03.488
- that we integrate in our facility, but there's no environmental concerns whatsoever. You do use AI though,

04:07:03.488 --> 04:07:08.734
- right? Pardon? You do use AI? Did I hear you say that?

04:07:09.026 --> 04:07:16.178
- other vendors' algorithms to do what they call computer vision. So a big part of what we do is video,

04:07:16.178 --> 04:07:23.189
- as you might imagine, with persistent surveillance. So what we're trying to do is get the computers

04:07:23.189 --> 04:07:30.481
- to actually see and let the operators know when they need to pay attention to something instead of just

04:07:30.481 --> 04:07:36.862
- giving us the data. And that's a field that will continue to evolve and grow for, I think,

04:07:38.498 --> 04:07:46.416
- as far as we can tell. Thank you, I appreciate it. Appreciate it. Thank you. Any other questions? Yes,

04:07:46.416 --> 04:07:54.565
- Councilor Decker. And this expansion's out on Bernal, we're near Bernal, right? Yeah, we're just a little

04:07:54.565 --> 04:08:02.329
- bit south of Bernal Pike on Loesch Road, which is the first road back towards Bloomington from where

04:08:02.329 --> 04:08:07.710
- the new Y is, up there. One thing is, just as a comment, that area is

04:08:08.002 --> 04:08:14.530
- really ideal for these things and a lot of foresight and thought went into that when people were saying

04:08:14.530 --> 04:08:20.870
- that's out in the woods there but now we we see these things kind of coming together it's like there

04:08:20.870 --> 04:08:27.272
- you go there you had a plan and the west side is doing this it was nice to to see that i'm excited to

04:08:27.272 --> 04:08:32.670
- see this move forward thank you councillor dekert we really enjoy being because we're

04:08:32.866 --> 04:08:39.250
- Kind of out in the woods, but we're only, you know, a couple of minutes from from third and and curry

04:08:39.250 --> 04:08:45.635
- and and restaurants and nice places to eat and all that. So, yeah, we're we're very, very happy to be

04:08:45.635 --> 04:08:52.019
- there. We hope to stay there as long as I'm around anyway. At least overall, that is just a real good

04:08:52.019 --> 04:08:58.340
- narrative that we need to hear in this county that those things on the west side, sometimes they get

04:08:58.340 --> 04:09:01.470
- out of sight, out of mind, and they shouldn't be.

04:09:04.418 --> 04:09:12.104
- Yes, Councilor Hawk is back. Hello. I'm from the West Side. We love you over there. So hope that you

04:09:12.104 --> 04:09:19.790
- stay there and continue to create jobs and prosperity for the people. Thank you very much, Councilor

04:09:19.790 --> 04:09:27.400
- Hawk. We certainly intend to do that to the best of our ability. All right. Seeing no other further

04:09:27.400 --> 04:09:29.150
- questions or comments.

04:09:29.570 --> 04:09:38.483
- for these gentlemen. We'll move on to public comment. If there's public comment, you can come forward

04:09:38.483 --> 04:09:47.222
- to the lectern here in the room or raise your hand via Teams. And seeing none, may we please have a

04:09:47.222 --> 04:09:55.960
- roll call vote? Councilor Feidl? Yes. Councilor Wilts? Yes. Councilor Deckard? Yes. Councilor Hawk?

04:09:55.960 --> 04:09:58.494
- Yes. Councilor Henry? Sorry.

04:09:59.362 --> 04:10:09.291
- Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor Crossley? Yes. Motion passes 7-0. There's a reason I don't do this

04:10:09.291 --> 04:10:19.711
- bit. Nope, sorry. 6-0-1, abstention. Thank you very much. Next up is item six. Council, I move to approve

04:10:19.711 --> 04:10:27.870
- resolution 2026-22, the 2025 tax abatement compliance findings. Second. All right.

04:10:28.002 --> 04:10:35.845
- side I miss Turner King because you're out next just kidding well since mr. Cockrell is still here I'm

04:10:35.845 --> 04:10:43.688
- going to let him talk about the compliance reports that's great I'll just tell you the you have in the

04:10:43.688 --> 04:10:51.302
- packet all the compliance forms those compliance forms represent just under 1900 employees and just

04:10:51.302 --> 04:10:55.262
- on just just under 117 million dollars in wages and

04:10:55.394 --> 04:11:02.255
- all those abatements that we're looking at today have been issued during the COVID era and later, right?

04:11:02.255 --> 04:11:09.116
- So everything's 2020 and beyond. I will also say that those numbers also don't include, I think anything

04:11:09.116 --> 04:11:15.650
- with the GE site, which as you know, last year we approved a big abatement and it was last fall and

04:11:15.650 --> 04:11:22.185
- clearly they had not had enough time to get something done by the end of the year. So more exciting

04:11:22.185 --> 04:11:23.230
- things to come.

04:11:23.874 --> 04:11:31.418
- I will say that we had a meeting with the Economic Development Commission. The Economic Development

04:11:31.418 --> 04:11:39.490
- Commission made a recommendation, and it's really two parts. One is for Proveli LLC, Phoenix, and Lazarus.

04:11:39.490 --> 04:11:47.185
- Phoenix and Lazarus, one's the personal property, one's the real property, much like the presentation

04:11:47.185 --> 04:11:53.598
- earlier tonight. That's just how some accounting systems work. GLC Bloomington, LLC.

04:11:54.018 --> 04:12:01.497
- Baxter now Simtra, they recommended approval and that they met their statement of benefits. And I will

04:12:01.497 --> 04:12:08.977
- say that with one caveat. Provelli, two or three years ago, indicated they were having trouble finding

04:12:08.977 --> 04:12:11.518
- people who would work for them and

04:12:11.650 --> 04:12:17.895
- getting that workflow. So they made a conscious decision, and we discussed it at that time, to kind

04:12:17.895 --> 04:12:24.139
- of have a little bit more investment in the equipment, but pay their operators more. So even though

04:12:24.139 --> 04:12:30.509
- their employment count is lower than expected, the wages they are paying is higher than they expected

04:12:30.509 --> 04:12:36.254
- to pay at that higher number of headcounts. So people are making more. They are just having

04:12:36.354 --> 04:12:43.170
- a few less people working there. So for instance, they were supposed to have 78, they're at 62, but

04:12:43.170 --> 04:12:49.986
- those 78 employees were supposed to make 2.8 million and the 62 are making 3.1 million. So that was

04:12:49.986 --> 04:12:57.007
- an offset and we discussed that with the EDC and I think a little bit with the County Council a couple

04:12:57.007 --> 04:12:59.870
- years ago. But they also recommended that

04:13:00.450 --> 04:13:08.589
- while not in compliance, that you guys go ahead and approve Oliver wineries because it is due to factors

04:13:08.589 --> 04:13:16.417
- beyond their control. And we had a very long discussion with the people at Oliver Winery. The market

04:13:16.417 --> 04:13:24.401
- there at their end has suffered in the last few years, but they are gaining ground and they are seeing

04:13:24.401 --> 04:13:29.982
- their market share grow. And the one thing I remember is that there are

04:13:31.906 --> 04:13:38.152
- Mr. President, Schultz of the Economic Development Commission indicated that there are some products

04:13:38.152 --> 04:13:44.461
- we just can't offer in Indiana that other places can. I think THC infused booze and things like that,

04:13:44.461 --> 04:13:50.831
- which Indiana just can't do, but they're gaining market share. And so the EDC heard enough information

04:13:50.831 --> 04:13:57.077
- from them that they still recommend that you approve that abatement because they think that they are

04:13:57.077 --> 04:14:01.406
- in good shape to progress and meet those goals in the next few years.

04:14:04.866 --> 04:14:15.009
- Thank you very much for that. Any questions or comments from council? Yes, Councilor Decker. I just,

04:14:15.009 --> 04:14:25.053
- I can't control my microphone, let alone my mouth. I just want to say, well, Mr. Grinders here, and

04:14:25.053 --> 04:14:33.790
- the stamina by which he is here this evening on his end, we, the BEDC had a tremendous

04:14:34.146 --> 04:14:41.588
- state of the economy, Bloomington economy, am I saying that right? Yeah, state of the regional Bloomington

04:14:41.588 --> 04:14:48.682
- economy. Regional Bloomington economy. And it was tremendous. And it was awesome. The folks that came

04:14:48.682 --> 04:14:55.777
- in, some of us got to go to this and to listen in. And we hear the wisdom of researchers. We hear the

04:14:55.777 --> 04:15:03.358
- wisdom of regional influences and job makers and clearly, clearly friends, job making of every diverse kind.

04:15:03.778 --> 04:15:11.586
- is the order of the day for the community. And I know I often beat this path a few times, but the communities

04:15:11.586 --> 04:15:18.969
- had times in our history where jobs were going the other way. And that is a creepy proposition we don't

04:15:18.969 --> 04:15:26.280
- want to have happen. And so all that's to say is that when I look at these things and how we do it and

04:15:26.280 --> 04:15:32.030
- how we balance and where we're bringing in this, this or other supporting folks,

04:15:32.162 --> 04:15:40.549
- It's always towards that goal, for at least me, that you're doing everything you can to check that box,

04:15:40.549 --> 04:15:48.774
- that you have done things to diversify our job. So I just appreciate that. And I think it's important

04:15:48.774 --> 04:15:56.918
- that we kind of keep that focus as we continue on this route. Thank you for your kind words. Anybody

04:15:56.918 --> 04:15:59.902
- else have any questions or comments?

04:16:02.274 --> 04:16:10.263
- Seeing none, we will move on to public comment. If there is public comment on this item, raise your

04:16:10.263 --> 04:16:18.573
- hand via Teams or you can come forward here in the room if you're still here. And seeing no one wanting

04:16:18.573 --> 04:16:26.642
- to come here in the room or raising your hand even though they think, and raising your hand in Teams

04:16:26.642 --> 04:16:29.598
- land, maybe please have a roll call.

04:16:32.642 --> 04:17:00.414
- Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

04:17:00.674 --> 04:17:11.231
- Council, I move to approve resolution 2026-25, creation of the Collaborative Jail Project Subcommittee.

04:17:11.231 --> 04:17:21.890
- Second. All right. I'm looking at Ms. Turner-King again. So I'm going to share my screen. What I drafted

04:17:21.890 --> 04:17:25.950
- was a resolution to, in essence, codify

04:17:26.114 --> 04:17:36.575
- what came out of the June 11th meeting with County Council and City Council. So you are, we are requesting

04:17:36.575 --> 04:17:46.742
- that you ratify. Oh, I'm sure no one can see that. Okay, we're asking, I'm asking or requesting council

04:17:46.742 --> 04:17:56.030
- consider to ratify the actions that were taken. And so the whereas clauses just summarize that

04:17:56.514 --> 04:18:05.709
- On May 26th, the council rejected the North Park purchase agreement. On June 11th, there was a joint

04:18:05.709 --> 04:18:15.359
- meeting with Monroe County elected officials and city of Bloomington elected officials and that a working

04:18:15.359 --> 04:18:25.374
- group. I think we're now calling the collaborative justice project group, so I will have to change the names.

04:18:25.474 --> 04:18:33.165
- was formed. One indicates that the committee was created under Home Rule. Two identifies the membership,

04:18:33.165 --> 04:18:40.855
- which is a representative of the commissioners, the mayor, a county council member, a Bloomington-Calman

04:18:40.855 --> 04:18:49.278
- council member, a judge, sheriff, prosecutor, or designee, and the representative of the public defender's office.

04:18:49.986 --> 04:18:56.497
- Section three outlines the duties as stated on June 11th, which was to help facilitate the identification

04:18:56.497 --> 04:19:02.762
- of a possible location for construction of a new correctional center, justice center, and to identify

04:19:02.762 --> 04:19:09.150
- the procedural steps necessary with the idea that the committee would evaluate three to four properties

04:19:09.150 --> 04:19:15.477
- and recommend one back to the larger group that convened on the 11th. It indicates that we will strive

04:19:15.477 --> 04:19:18.302
- to meet weekly and as long as we have quorum.

04:19:19.042 --> 04:19:26.631
- And that the recommendation back to the larger committee will tentatively be honored before July 13th,

04:19:26.631 --> 04:19:34.441
- which is just a month before after the first meeting. And then it indicates that the committee is subject

04:19:34.441 --> 04:19:42.031
- to open door. I think that codifies what happened on the 11th. What I will say is that after the 11th,

04:19:42.031 --> 04:19:47.262
- I spoke to the city attorney, Larry Allen, and we're in agreement that

04:19:47.618 --> 04:19:56.244
- This committee can't be jointly owned by both entities. So in reviewing the meeting, what we think happened

04:19:56.244 --> 04:20:04.790
- is that the county council formed a committee and that the city motioned to participate on that committee.

04:20:04.790 --> 04:20:09.662
- So in speaking to Mr. Allen, I think we're in agreement that

04:20:09.858 --> 04:20:17.383
- You can ratify this as is and as indicated on June 11th, or if you wish to make changes to the composition

04:20:17.383 --> 04:20:24.416
- or any other, you can add clarifying duties, anything of that nature, you would have the ability to

04:20:24.416 --> 04:20:31.519
- do so tonight. I think one thing that was not discussed on the 11th, which might be beneficial is in

04:20:31.519 --> 04:20:38.622
- speaking with Mr. Allen, is if there was some indication of meeting procedures, do you want to limit

04:20:39.042 --> 04:20:49.192
- you know, the meetings to an hour. Do you want to allow public comment? Things of that nature? Um, because

04:20:49.192 --> 04:20:58.677
- I think any guidance would be appreciated by the committee. I think, um, I appreciate that. Um, and

04:20:58.677 --> 04:21:08.542
- given the circumstances from last week, uh, we had members of city council, county council members from

04:21:08.706 --> 04:21:15.570
- a participant from the public defender's office, Mr. Hunt, and then Ms. Wilson from the prosecutor's

04:21:15.570 --> 04:21:22.706
- office. And I do believe that there were members of the public that were there as well. And it's a shame

04:21:22.706 --> 04:21:29.502
- that, you know, people took some time out of their day trying to do things in good faith and didn't

04:21:29.502 --> 04:21:36.638
- have quorum for, you know, folks letting us know at the last minute that they wouldn't be participating.

04:21:37.058 --> 04:21:44.078
- Um, so that in itself was a little frustrating. Um, but I think in order for this group to do what we

04:21:44.078 --> 04:21:51.099
- need to do or do what they need to do to bring back to the larger body, I would propose and listening

04:21:51.099 --> 04:21:58.119
- to council colleagues, uh, to make a comment about that, to condense that number of people so that we

04:21:58.119 --> 04:22:05.140
- don't have quorum and not saying that people can't participate. I'm not saying that, you know, people

04:22:05.140 --> 04:22:06.654
- can't do that at all.

04:22:06.946 --> 04:22:14.782
- making some of those members that are participant ex-officios so that that doesn't involve or that doesn't

04:22:14.782 --> 04:22:22.179
- hurt our quorum. So just making sure I say that so people don't go, oh, you're kicking me off, nope.

04:22:22.179 --> 04:22:29.575
- Just basically saying, you know, you can be an ex-officio. Obviously it makes sense for the Board of

04:22:29.575 --> 04:22:36.606
- Judges and the Sheriff's Office to not be on that list at all since they both have sent notices

04:22:37.090 --> 04:22:49.092
- explain in their different reasons why they are not participating. Yeah I even remember when we and

04:22:49.092 --> 04:22:57.854
- I appreciate the spirit by which the designees were created for this and

04:22:59.234 --> 04:23:05.789
- But I also appreciate how people have weighed in on what they want to do for their office, and that's

04:23:05.789 --> 04:23:12.345
- fine. Everybody does that. But I specifically remember saying in the creation of that resolution that

04:23:12.345 --> 04:23:18.900
- you couldn't have what sometimes happens in some bodies where you get kind of like a don't show veto,

04:23:18.900 --> 04:23:25.520
- and then it can't move. And I'm not saying that anybody had that, but I think that that kind of quorum

04:23:25.520 --> 04:23:28.990
- issue defied the spirit of it. So I almost would say,

04:23:29.250 --> 04:23:38.607
- in that resolution that for bodies that have opted out by their own public preference that it says next

04:23:38.607 --> 04:23:47.693
- to it. So board of judges ex officio by public publicly indicated preference. Just so we memorialize

04:23:47.693 --> 04:23:56.510
- this a little bit. And if it and we could even add a line there until that would publicly change.

04:23:56.834 --> 04:24:03.115
- And I think, and I know that I'm probably speaking in language that's not helpful, but I'm trying to

04:24:03.115 --> 04:24:09.645
- think about problem solving tonight, because again, I come down to what do we gotta do to make it easier

04:24:09.645 --> 04:24:16.361
- on Councilor Feidl and those others sitting there so that they come back with the healthiest, most stamina,

04:24:16.361 --> 04:24:20.030
- not hair pulling kind of thing so we can keep moving here.

04:24:24.578 --> 04:24:32.162
- Councillor Iverson and then I'll go back this way two points and as I'm looking at this is we have done

04:24:32.162 --> 04:24:39.673
- this before with the Justice Fiscal Advisory Commission and hearing particularly what Ms. Molly Turner

04:24:39.673 --> 04:24:47.111
- King said that it is the legal guidance from both the city of Bloomington and Monroe County that this

04:24:47.111 --> 04:24:50.174
- is a Monroe County topic this is owned by

04:24:50.274 --> 04:24:57.946
- organization and that other entities have pulled themselves out. It makes sense to me to have membership

04:24:57.946 --> 04:25:05.326
- look a lot like the Sophia Travis committee or the or the JFAC where you have three council members.

04:25:05.326 --> 04:25:12.926
- It's not a quorum. And so I think that that's a model that we've been using quite a bit that might make

04:25:12.926 --> 04:25:17.310
- sense in this situation. And then everyone else is invited.

04:25:18.754 --> 04:25:26.437
- We had something similar for JVAC. The last thing that I'll, the second recommendation that I'll make

04:25:26.437 --> 04:25:33.970
- is for JVAC, we had a sunset clause that said we are no longer gonna meet at this date. And I think

04:25:33.970 --> 04:25:41.804
- that one of the fears with another committee is that this is going to be a never ending debate society,

04:25:41.804 --> 04:25:48.734
- that this is gonna go on and on and on and on. And I think if we allow for a sunset clause,

04:25:48.834 --> 04:25:54.756
- and we can make the date whatever we want, that would give reassurance that we're date-oriented, that

04:25:54.756 --> 04:26:00.794
- we're not going to let this go on for years and years and years and years, because that's what happened

04:26:00.794 --> 04:26:06.891
- with JREC. Well, and to that point, though, we did say at the 11th meeting, and I know you weren't here,

04:26:06.891 --> 04:26:10.142
- that we wanted them to come back within the next month.

04:26:10.562 --> 04:26:17.466
- They have a deadline for their assignments. So we definitely have that because I think there was a deadline

04:26:17.466 --> 04:26:24.049
- of three months and we were like, no, absolutely not. We can't do that. Perfect. Great. I see you have

04:26:24.049 --> 04:26:30.697
- a hand Councilor Hawke, but I'm going to go down to I think Councilor Wilton, then I'll pop back around

04:26:30.697 --> 04:26:37.345
- to Councilor Hawke next. Okay. I remember when we formed the committee and like literally that evening,

04:26:37.345 --> 04:26:39.966
- I'm like, oh man, we should not have put

04:26:40.066 --> 04:26:50.269
- that many people who might not come. What is the, what's the minimum number for a committee like this?

04:26:50.269 --> 04:27:00.472
- Like could we make it, could we make everybody ex officio and then like just have this council and the

04:27:00.472 --> 04:27:09.982
- other council each send somebody and ask for participation and consensus? I don't think there's

04:27:10.370 --> 04:27:17.502
- an actual like minimum but I mean if you make it a two-person committee and one person can come then

04:27:17.502 --> 04:27:24.633
- you're gonna have quorum issues so I mean I think if you go too small you could possibly have quorum

04:27:24.633 --> 04:27:31.976
- issues and if you go too big you potentially have quorum issues. Okay so what about it needs to be does

04:27:31.976 --> 04:27:34.942
- it need to be an odd number in that case?

04:27:37.154 --> 04:27:44.375
- refer an odd number because then there won't be a tie vote. But I mean, ultimately, I mean, it's my

04:27:44.375 --> 04:27:51.668
- recommendation is you at least have the commissioner of the mayor and each member of the council. So

04:27:51.668 --> 04:27:59.178
- there's a minimum of four there. I think that makes sense. And I will say if if we've already confirmed

04:27:59.178 --> 04:28:03.294
- of those for a quorum for a meeting tomorrow. Excellent.

04:28:04.610 --> 04:28:11.774
- The number should be odd in the event of a vote. I'm so over votes. I swear. I mean, the purpose of

04:28:11.774 --> 04:28:19.009
- this was consensus and recommendation and information. And if there's, I mean, they're going to come

04:28:19.009 --> 04:28:26.532
- back in and buy a date and tell us what they came up with. I don't know. I'm going to go Councilor Hawke

04:28:26.532 --> 04:28:33.982
- and then I'll circle back to Councilor Decker. Yes. In watching this meeting, I saw that the motion was

04:28:34.082 --> 04:28:43.066
- that the location they were to be considering was in the city and the city limits and I don't see that

04:28:43.066 --> 04:28:52.225
- in this document. I think it should be because that was a part of the motion. I mean that if we're gonna

04:28:52.225 --> 04:29:01.035
- go by what the motion. I if you got two tires that are leaking on a car you got a patch two tires or

04:29:01.035 --> 04:29:03.390
- replace it to me the issue

04:29:03.490 --> 04:29:10.025
- on this committee, it's a quorum issue. It didn't even get a chance to begin its debate, and I'm sure

04:29:10.025 --> 04:29:16.431
- all the people on there had lots of things they wanted to contribute. I want to point out that when

04:29:16.431 --> 04:29:23.029
- the bell struck, the ones that were there were neatly up at the desk, had their notes ready to go, and

04:29:23.029 --> 04:29:29.436
- they were ready to do it, but they never got to have that meeting. So we have a quorum problem. I'm

04:29:29.436 --> 04:29:31.550
- worried that in this discussion,

04:29:31.810 --> 04:29:38.570
- we're getting into lots of different hypotheticals to start fixing other problems and we're going to

04:29:38.570 --> 04:29:45.331
- get a monster resolution. To me, I stand by my original motion. I'm prepared to offer it in a second

04:29:45.331 --> 04:29:52.024
- on we have two public bodies who have indicated that they for now are opting out of this. We have a

04:29:52.024 --> 04:29:58.918
- third that's not made a decision. I want them to make a positive on that. But I think for now, I think

04:29:58.918 --> 04:30:00.190
- we've got the two,

04:30:00.514 --> 04:30:06.399
- We remove that from quorum with language that indicates their ex officio until they would make some

04:30:06.399 --> 04:30:12.579
- other declaration and then get them back to the table. But they're always welcome to come to that table.

04:30:12.579 --> 04:30:18.523
- But I just think we need to do that. So Liz and others can have a productive discussion. And I think

04:30:18.523 --> 04:30:24.409
- we need to be careful to overly instruct their discussion because then it starts turning into other

04:30:24.409 --> 04:30:29.470
- things. And I think if things are naturally how they're going, they're going to start

04:30:29.570 --> 04:30:36.779
- doing the things that have been before the public and in that debate. Am I making any sense? I don't

04:30:36.779 --> 04:30:44.059
- know what your recommendation is for who counts for quorum. Can we pull that resolution up? I'm going

04:30:44.059 --> 04:30:51.553
- to probably have to walk over to the screen. I've been editing it based on comments. Oh, you have? Maybe

04:30:51.553 --> 04:30:56.478
- show it and I'll tell you if it's right. Can I get up and walk over?

04:30:56.610 --> 04:31:14.067
- Phil Donahue used to do this. Sorry. We really have to say because the motion said in the city and we

04:31:14.067 --> 04:31:25.534
- don't do that. You've got nothing in the city, Molly and city mom.

04:31:27.298 --> 04:31:46.514
- I think Jerry Springer is the better reference. Okay. What I've been adding based on the conversation

04:31:46.514 --> 04:31:55.934
- is I changed the membership to indicate the four.

04:32:01.058 --> 04:32:06.590
- the mayor, county council member, and a common council member, and then representatives of the following

04:32:06.590 --> 04:32:11.965
- departments are invited to serve on this working subcommittee as ex officio members, and then it says

04:32:11.965 --> 04:32:17.391
- the sheriff, the judges, the prosecutor's office, and the public defenders. So I, on my motion, I want

04:32:17.391 --> 04:32:22.660
- this to be a little bit different. I just want it to be sheriff and judges as ex officio. The other

04:32:22.660 --> 04:32:28.193
- two, prosecutors, public defenders, they go right back up to that. The representative appointed members,

04:32:28.193 --> 04:32:30.142
- they were there, they were doing the

04:32:30.274 --> 04:32:43.114
- people's work. And then I'll let you do that. And then I'm sorry, are you making a motion? I'm going

04:32:43.114 --> 04:32:56.082
- to once this is all right. And then down here. Previously, we had the Monroe County prosecutor and or

04:32:56.082 --> 04:32:59.006
- her designee, which we

04:32:59.362 --> 04:33:15.959
- aware that that Miss Wilson is going to be the destiny and then down here we're sorry sorry you're fine

04:33:15.959 --> 04:33:25.694
- I'm complicated and then down here under be after judges and

04:33:27.618 --> 04:33:52.446
- I just think we need to solidify what they've said. And I would put a comma judges comma. Is based on.

04:34:02.530 --> 04:34:13.982
- and does not limit their participation. I would move that language into that resolution.

04:34:35.970 --> 04:34:43.072
- So the sentence reads, the designation is that ex-official members is based on communication from the

04:34:43.072 --> 04:34:50.104
- identified entities and does not limit their future participation on the working subcommittee should

04:34:50.104 --> 04:34:57.553
- they elect to do so. Beautiful. Absolutely. So moved. So moved. What about the city? And then to Councilor

04:34:57.553 --> 04:35:04.446
- Hawke's point, I changed, shall evaluate three to four properties and I add it within city limits.

04:35:06.466 --> 04:35:14.052
- I changed the name because we had been calling it the Collaborative Justice Project, but when I drafted

04:35:14.052 --> 04:35:21.419
- this resolution, I had called it the Joint Jail Project, and so we've changed the name. There are so

04:35:21.419 --> 04:35:28.932
- many puns, and then I was just like, no. What is the name of it now? The Collaborative Justice Project

04:35:28.932 --> 04:35:32.798
- Working Subcommittee. That's what was on the notice.

04:35:35.650 --> 04:35:43.068
- make sure because tomorrow they have their meeting what we are doing tonight do we have a if this meeting

04:35:43.068 --> 04:35:50.346
- were to recess and then they go into their meeting just now like this would if we vote on this and it's

04:35:50.346 --> 04:35:51.326
- it's approved

04:35:51.586 --> 04:35:58.230
- We're not screwing people over for a quorum tomorrow. What will happen is the notice has already been

04:35:58.230 --> 04:36:05.070
- published for tomorrow's meeting. At the beginning of the meeting, I'll acknowledge that the composition

04:36:05.070 --> 04:36:11.715
- has changed and that any future notice will reflect the new composition of the committee, but it does

04:36:11.715 --> 04:36:18.424
- not impact tomorrow's. Okay. Okay. Council Hall. It was rather difficult trying to follow this online,

04:36:18.424 --> 04:36:20.574
- but my question at the time was,

04:36:20.706 --> 04:36:28.126
- This committee is to do one thing only, and that is to weigh in on where they think the location is

04:36:28.126 --> 04:36:35.547
- to be. Not what's going to go on in the jail or whatever other services or anything. It is just the

04:36:35.547 --> 04:36:43.116
- location. That's it. Otherwise, you're going to be stretching it out for the next three years. We can

04:36:43.116 --> 04:36:45.342
- consider all kinds of things.

04:36:46.914 --> 04:37:09.118
- location, location, location.

04:37:09.314 --> 04:37:15.575
- to Councilor Hawks point, I changed that sentence to say the collaborative justice project

04:37:15.575 --> 04:37:22.937
- working subcommittee shall evaluate three to four properties within city limits and recommend one location

04:37:22.937 --> 04:37:30.092
- to the larger group of elected officials. The collaborative justice project working subcommittees focus

04:37:30.092 --> 04:37:37.179
- shall be on location only at this time. Location of the jail. That assumed? Yes. Location of the jail.

04:37:37.179 --> 04:37:38.142
- I'm gonna say

04:37:38.402 --> 04:37:49.447
- of the correctional center slash, really just the jail. Here's, I said correctional center slash justice

04:37:49.447 --> 04:38:00.282
- center. Not that I think it's this body's decision on whether to build a justice center, what is being

04:38:00.282 --> 04:38:08.382
- built. But in part that goes into the location is how many acres do you need

04:38:08.706 --> 04:38:15.390
- depending on what you build. So I don't want to limit it to, or I wouldn't recommend limiting it to

04:38:15.390 --> 04:38:22.207
- just a correctional center because if the justice center is built in phases, that is going to have to

04:38:22.207 --> 04:38:29.025
- be considered when a location is identified. I would just say jail, but. The only thing I'm concerned

04:38:29.025 --> 04:38:31.966
- about. We'll put in here whatever you wish.

04:38:36.162 --> 04:38:43.908
- They know exactly what they need to do by way of this. So if nobody else has any other excuse me, it

04:38:43.908 --> 04:38:51.884
- was my voice. Other things to worry or to add to what Mr. King and what's a counselor decade and others

04:38:51.884 --> 04:38:59.859
- have suggested I'm looking for a motion. And for clarity, you do not you're electing to not add meeting

04:38:59.859 --> 04:39:01.470
- procedures, correct?

04:39:04.226 --> 04:39:12.386
- one procedure that I think comes to mind, and I think we did this with maybe pack. It would be helpful

04:39:12.386 --> 04:39:20.308
- to indicate that the committee should elect a chair and then that chair would be responsible for an

04:39:20.308 --> 04:39:28.389
- agenda, because right now I'm not sure who is creating the agenda or or how to proceed. I created the

04:39:28.389 --> 04:39:30.686
- agenda for the next meeting.

04:39:31.074 --> 04:39:39.382
- I do not want to do that. So I think you can do the chair and then honestly since it's a committee that

04:39:39.382 --> 04:39:47.530
- we are doing because councillor Feidl is the person I'm just looking at her go and tag your eight. So

04:39:47.530 --> 04:39:55.518
- what you're saying then is that the county council representative will be the chair of the meeting.

04:39:58.530 --> 04:40:05.482
- I mean, I think it makes it simple and clean. If we're already saying that, you know, both city and

04:40:05.482 --> 04:40:12.433
- county attorneys have talked and said, this is kind of really something that is our responsibility,

04:40:12.433 --> 04:40:19.385
- then I think we just designate it to her. And then of course, Councilor Feidl would be able to work

04:40:19.385 --> 04:40:26.545
- with staff going forward to do the agenda. Yep. So now we know who the agenda person would be. How did

04:40:26.545 --> 04:40:27.518
- we leave her?

04:40:31.810 --> 04:40:42.295
- And that's kind of what we're saying now is this is something that we are owning word allowing everybody

04:40:42.295 --> 04:40:52.481
- to be a you know folks to be a part of it but I think it sounds like that is something that can do or

04:40:52.481 --> 04:41:00.670
- we just say that you I'm fine with doing it as long as I think the committee goes

04:41:01.442 --> 04:41:30.974
- I was just going to add to that. I think it's important that we support those members, particularly trust

04:41:31.874 --> 04:41:39.231
- counselor final in doing what she needs to do what she's done her entire career which is negotiate with

04:41:39.231 --> 04:41:46.376
- lots of different parties and try to figure out how you get to goal and I think we trust her in that

04:41:46.376 --> 04:41:53.451
- process with lots of latitude to get towards the goal that was a kind of an amazing discussion that

04:41:53.451 --> 04:42:01.374
- we had a couple weeks to do two weeks back and I think the spirit of that will come out in this highlighted the

04:42:01.538 --> 04:42:08.694
- added language. So now C has been added that says the county council member shall serve as the chair

04:42:08.694 --> 04:42:15.991
- of the working subcommittee and be responsible for creation of the agenda. So yeah. I think we already

04:42:15.991 --> 04:42:23.217
- have two motions on the table that accomplish what we need to do. We vote on two or just vote on one.

04:42:23.217 --> 04:42:28.318
- Can we combine them? I accept. I'll second Councillor Deckard's motion.

04:42:34.690 --> 04:42:41.860
- We have a motion and a, oh, did I see Ms. Turner-King's hand? Yeah, I think there's confusion about

04:42:41.860 --> 04:42:49.388
- what the motion is. So perhaps it would be best to withdraw the motions and then make a motion to accept

04:42:49.388 --> 04:42:56.916
- the resolution as amended. Perfect. Go for it. Perfect. I'm gonna withdraw the previous motion. Council,

04:42:56.916 --> 04:43:04.158
- I recommend that we adopt the resolution as amended before us on the screen available to the public.

04:43:04.482 --> 04:43:12.753
- Second. All right. We got a motion and a second to adopt the changes to the resolution as identified

04:43:12.753 --> 04:43:21.433
- on the screen here. Is there any final questions or comments from council on this item? All right. Seeing

04:43:21.433 --> 04:43:30.032
- none, we will move on to public comment. If there is public comment on this item, you could come forward

04:43:30.032 --> 04:43:32.734
- to the lectern here in the room.

04:43:32.866 --> 04:43:44.556
- You'll have up to three minutes or you can raise your hand via Teams. Okay. Seeing none, we will move

04:43:44.556 --> 04:43:56.590
- to a roll call vote. Who seconded the- Thank you. Councilor Iverson. Iverson. Ugly when I'm angry. Okay.

04:43:56.590 --> 04:44:02.206
- For the record, Councilor Hock left the meeting.

04:44:02.978 --> 04:44:16.406
- Councillor Wilts. Yes. Councillor Henry. Yes. Councillor Deckard. Yes. Councillor Crossley. Yes. Councillor

04:44:16.406 --> 04:44:29.088
- Iverson. Yes. Councillor Fiddle. Yes. Motion passes unanimous 6-0. Okay. One more, actually two more.

04:44:29.088 --> 04:44:31.326
- Two more. Item Z.

04:44:31.650 --> 04:44:38.955
- Council I move to approve resolution twenty twenty six dash twenty six amendments to the Sophia Travis

04:44:38.955 --> 04:44:46.189
- Community Services grant agreement template. All right we got a motion and a second. Ms. Turner King.

04:44:46.189 --> 04:44:53.423
- So I'm not going to display the resolution instead I'm going to display the template. What I will say

04:44:53.423 --> 04:44:57.182
- is the Sophia Sophia Travis grant committee did meet

04:44:58.402 --> 04:45:06.692
- on a date that escapes my memory, but they were there. And we went over the changes proposed to the

04:45:06.692 --> 04:45:15.645
- template agreement. And so if the council approves this, I will execute all the agreements for the agencies

04:45:15.645 --> 04:45:24.017
- and have them on the agenda for the commissioners to approve on July 2nd. So I don't think we, well,

04:45:24.017 --> 04:45:27.582
- I haven't, I don't know about in the past,

04:45:27.682 --> 04:45:35.864
- I don't know that you've seen the template agreement of the contract. Ms. Turner-King, I believe we

04:45:35.864 --> 04:45:44.292
- met on the 17th of June. Thank you. So on the 17th of June, the committee went over these changes. And

04:45:44.292 --> 04:45:46.174
- so the big changes are

04:45:58.274 --> 04:46:04.598
- There's an indication that agencies must spend all of the funds by the end of 2026 to be eligible for

04:46:04.598 --> 04:46:10.860
- next year's grant cycle. We amended what an agency could request a modification for. In the past, an

04:46:10.860 --> 04:46:17.060
- agency could say, I would like to request a modification to either do a different project or I need

04:46:17.060 --> 04:46:21.214
- more time. So now we've limited to you can only request more time.

04:46:21.314 --> 04:46:27.526
- And we've outlined the process for which you can request more time. So an agency would have to request

04:46:27.526 --> 04:46:33.556
- more time by February 1st. They would be granted an extension so that they would have to expend the

04:46:33.556 --> 04:46:39.105
- funds no later than May 31st. And then it outlines that that request will just be forwarded

04:46:39.105 --> 04:46:43.326
- to the commissioners because it's a pre-established date of May 31st.

04:46:49.954 --> 04:46:56.789
- We changed the report requirement so that, so in the past there wasn't really a reporting structure

04:46:56.789 --> 04:47:03.761
- required. Agencies just had to give a report with receipts, and so this year we're asking agencies to

04:47:03.761 --> 04:47:10.801
- submit a PDF format not to exceed, or a report in a PDF format not to exceed 500 words, and the report

04:47:10.801 --> 04:47:18.115
- should give a brief background of the grant, the general description of the project, and more importantly,

04:47:18.115 --> 04:47:19.550
- like, what happened?

04:47:20.290 --> 04:47:27.449
- The committee gives out these funds, and we don't really get to hear about the success of the projects

04:47:27.449 --> 04:47:34.400
- until the kickoff of next year if the agency replies again. So this kind of gives the committee and

04:47:34.400 --> 04:47:41.629
- the council some results data. We've added language that agencies will have to retain records, and this

04:47:41.629 --> 04:47:46.078
- is really in case there's an audit or something of that nature.

04:47:46.594 --> 04:47:53.347
- We've added language that says agencies must sign their agreement by October 30th of 2026. This is to

04:47:53.347 --> 04:47:59.967
- eliminate the Miss Shell and myself constantly bugging agencies to come in and sign their agreement

04:47:59.967 --> 04:48:06.654
- so that we don't carry funds over until the next year and have to appropriate and do all of that. So

04:48:06.654 --> 04:48:12.414
- it says if you don't sign your agreement by October 30th, you will forfeit your funds.

04:48:13.890 --> 04:48:22.840
- We added suspension and debarment language, which is required. And I think those are the major changes.

04:48:22.840 --> 04:48:31.445
- So this is the agreement that the committee approved for use. And then the resolution says, this is

04:48:31.445 --> 04:48:40.825
- the agreement that will be used for this year and forevermore until you tell me to change it. Any questions?

04:48:40.825 --> 04:48:42.718
- Yes, Councilor Wilts.

04:48:43.298 --> 04:48:52.286
- I have a question that seems ridiculous, but I need to know. Why is it required that they submit a PDF?

04:48:52.286 --> 04:49:01.014
- Is there a reason that it has to be a PDF? It is easier for us to be able to share that information,

04:49:01.014 --> 04:49:09.310
- because especially with the committee members and that kind of thing, or with the public, a PDF

04:49:09.602 --> 04:49:18.824
- is shareable, whereas if it's like in Word or somebody uses Notebook or something like that, not everybody

04:49:18.824 --> 04:49:27.529
- is compatible with that. PDF is compatible across all, is my understanding. It's also very difficult

04:49:27.529 --> 04:49:36.062
- to get into an accessible format. And starting next April, that will be a requirement. Be careful.

04:49:41.794 --> 04:49:51.079
- We haven't forget about accessibility because it was supposed to happen this year and got switched.

04:49:51.079 --> 04:50:00.828
- I have nightmares about all of this right now. Okay. Any other further questions, comments on this item?

04:50:00.828 --> 04:50:11.134
- Appreciate the work. Has everybody already done PDFs in the past? So we've not had any issues with that. Okay.

04:50:12.482 --> 04:50:21.177
- We have had some people that couldn't submit stuff, so they bring it in and then we scan it. So if they

04:50:21.177 --> 04:50:29.621
- can't do a PDF, we have them either bring it in physically, we scan it, or they mail it in to us and

04:50:29.621 --> 04:50:38.232
- then we scan it in. And if we do that, like thinking about accessibility, things that I do in my other

04:50:38.232 --> 04:50:39.486
- place, is that

04:50:40.226 --> 04:50:47.452
- when we do things like that, we are accepting an inaccessible document. And that goes into a lot of

04:50:47.452 --> 04:50:54.679
- issues with that, which again, I would hope that we would have some kind of guidance from TSD going

04:50:54.679 --> 04:51:01.905
- forward with this, hopefully. I don't know that. Yeah. We can talk. Let's have a little talk. Yeah.

04:51:01.905 --> 04:51:03.134
- Okay. All right.

04:51:03.330 --> 04:51:11.042
- Seeing no other further questions, comments or concerns from council, I'll look to public comment. If

04:51:11.042 --> 04:51:18.602
- there's public comment on this item, you can come forward to the electing here in the room or raise

04:51:18.602 --> 04:51:26.540
- your hand via Teams. Seeing none, may we please have a roll call vote? Councillor Wilts? Yes. Councillor

04:51:26.540 --> 04:51:33.118
- Henry? Yes. Councillor Decker? Yes. Councillor Crossley? Yes. Councillor Iverson? Yes.

04:51:33.378 --> 04:51:41.220
- Yes. Motion passes unanimous six zero. All right. Next up is so if I can procedurally what will happen

04:51:41.220 --> 04:51:48.987
- is I will prepare all these documents and have them ready for agencies to come in and sign on Friday.

04:51:48.987 --> 04:51:57.438
- Oh, OK. All right. Yay. OK. All right. Thank you for that update, Mr. McCain. OK. Next up is item eight eight.

04:51:58.626 --> 04:52:08.417
- Thank you, Council. I moved to approve the Council Office's request and fund 1000-0061 County General

04:52:08.417 --> 04:52:18.111
- Counsel for an additional appropriation of $47,123 in the services category. Second. We got a motion

04:52:18.111 --> 04:52:27.614
- and a second, Michelle. Yes, this is an additional appropriation for our Sophia Travis grant line.

04:52:27.810 --> 04:52:38.051
- As Molly explained earlier, we had some agencies wait and wait and wait to sign their agreements at

04:52:38.051 --> 04:52:48.599
- the end of the year. And so some of that bled over into 2026. So we couldn't do checks until 2026. And

04:52:48.599 --> 04:52:57.406
- so those amounts came out of our current fund. We also had to do an in-house transfer

04:52:59.522 --> 04:53:13.740
- to a bill that was being submitted. And so this amount, 47,123, brings the Sophia Travis grant line

04:53:13.740 --> 04:53:26.110
- back up to the 190. A $190,000. Okay. Questions or comments from Council on this item?

04:53:30.594 --> 04:53:38.757
- to public comment, raise your hand via Teams or you can make comment here in the room. Seeing none,

04:53:38.757 --> 04:53:47.083
- maybe please have a roll call vote. Councilor Henry? Yes. Councilor Deckard? Yes. Councilor Crossley?

04:53:47.083 --> 04:53:55.083
- Yes. Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor Feidl? Yes. Councilor Wills? Yes. Motion passes unanimous.

04:53:55.083 --> 04:54:00.062
- All right, thank you for that. Last and not certainly least,

04:54:00.450 --> 04:54:08.491
- as council liaison updates and comments ask that we keep this brief since this has been a really long

04:54:08.491 --> 04:54:16.926
- meeting. Um, so I'm going to look down to my left and see if we have any comments or updates from council.

04:54:26.114 --> 04:54:32.866
- I think the only thing that's on my list that we really haven't touched on in any capacity tonight is

04:54:32.866 --> 04:54:39.553
- the, excuse me, the direct to housing event that occurred in this community for two days on June 8th

04:54:39.553 --> 04:54:46.835
- and 9th. I was just so impressed with the Clutch Consulting Group that came and did that. I'm very interested

04:54:46.835 --> 04:54:53.521
- and I'm asked for more information about what they use to be successful in those 20 communities that

04:54:53.521 --> 04:54:55.838
- they talked about. They focused on

04:54:56.162 --> 04:55:06.321
- I think, let's see, I remember for sure that both days of that event, but I am just so excited to think

04:55:06.321 --> 04:55:16.578
- that we could have a four-part plan that they talked about and capitalize on some of the successes where

04:55:16.578 --> 04:55:25.662
- they've had 60% reduction in homelessness. So excited about that. Yes, of course. Thank you.

04:55:25.922 --> 04:55:33.428
- I also appreciated that very much, and in the last couple weeks have been in some follow-up conversations

04:55:33.428 --> 04:55:40.581
- from that, trying to figure out solutions. Again, a lot like what we were talking about with our gel

04:55:40.581 --> 04:55:47.733
- subcommittee, that is a collaboration between a lot of different folks going there. As we enter pair

04:55:47.733 --> 04:55:52.478
- season, as we enter the fourth, which is a beautiful time in this,

04:55:52.610 --> 04:56:00.099
- It seems like it's going to be a hot time all of a sudden. I do want to say that my own hearts, my own

04:56:00.099 --> 04:56:07.443
- heart and thoughts go out to all the folks that have been affected by the storm and just uncertainty

04:56:07.443 --> 04:56:14.714
- with all that. And just thanks to all our highway workers, our first responders, all the folks that

04:56:14.714 --> 04:56:22.494
- make all that sensible when it's not sensible. And again, I know there'll be more to figure out from that.

04:56:22.754 --> 04:56:31.252
- of big things. Thank you. I'll just add to Councillor Decker's comments that I did go to Steinsville

04:56:31.252 --> 04:56:39.750
- to visit the Red Cross last weekend on the tornado that occurred in the northern part of the county,

04:56:39.750 --> 04:56:44.798
- the third that hit that corner of the county in five years.

04:56:44.930 --> 04:56:51.685
- Again, Red Cross, United Way, our co-ads feed people. About 25 folks eating pizzas donated from Domino's

04:56:51.685 --> 04:56:58.119
- in Ellitsville. And the call out for things like rakes and shovels and totes, like the plastic tubs

04:56:58.119 --> 04:57:04.552
- to hold people's belongings is still there. And that will be there for weeks. The stuff goes on for

04:57:04.552 --> 04:57:10.986
- weeks and months on end. So for folks that want to get involved, just contact our EMA or the United

04:57:10.986 --> 04:57:14.846
- Way on how to participate with that. It's really important.

04:57:14.946 --> 04:57:20.227
- It just seems to be our new normal. We seem to have, it's about 18 months and three tornadoes now at

04:57:20.227 --> 04:57:25.507
- this point, which is remarkable and I think our new normal. The only other thing I had to share with

04:57:25.507 --> 04:57:30.840
- folks is that while I was on my way back from Steinsville, it dawned on me that the Indiana Limestone

04:57:30.840 --> 04:57:36.382
- Symposium was going on. I stopped by there. It was their 30th anniversary of people carving chunks of our

04:57:36.546 --> 04:57:42.610
- County into things. And Steve, who did the work on repairing the piece, Memorial on the Square was the

04:57:42.610 --> 04:57:48.675
- field director there, and Steve Turney, right? And it was neat. It was neat to see that. So that's it.

04:57:48.675 --> 04:57:54.798
- Did they tell you what the frog is going to be? It's going to be a tombstone. Yeah. Yeah, for a family.

04:57:54.798 --> 04:58:00.803
- That was really cool. Yeah. There's a giant toad that was being carved, among other things. But yeah,

04:58:00.803 --> 04:58:03.806
- that was cool. Anyway, that's it. Interesting. OK.

04:58:04.322 --> 04:58:12.640
- Yeah, again, much kudos to staff that has helped with all of the cleanup and June's not over and usually

04:58:12.640 --> 04:58:20.562
- every year we get a really big June storm, knock on wood, hopefully it doesn't happen. But yeah, so

04:58:20.562 --> 04:58:29.118
- that being said, I thank everybody for that, thank staff for their due diligence. Oh, and one last thing is

04:58:29.346 --> 04:58:36.653
- Just major thank you to the City of Bloomington Community and Family Resources Department for putting

04:58:36.653 --> 04:58:44.175
- on the annual Juneteenth celebration. What a beautiful day it was and I think I saw lots of people here,

04:58:44.175 --> 04:58:51.840
- there in a different capacity but nonetheless that's actually something that I look forward to celebrating

04:58:51.840 --> 04:58:58.430
- because our history is American history. So with that being said, thank you all so much for

04:58:58.562 --> 04:59:01.950
- robust conversation tonight and we are adjourned. Thank you.