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- All right. So we will go ahead and get started. Good evening, everybody. Today is Tuesday, June 30th,

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- twenty twenty six. The time is now five one and I am calling to order what was supposed to be the joint

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- session of the Monroe County Council and board of commissioners. However, it

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- does appear that we do not have a quorum of commissioners, although Commissioner Thomas is online with

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- us. And here present in the NETU Hillbron, we have county council members Iverson, Wilts, Feidl, and

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- then online we have council members Deckard and Henry. So we will go ahead and get started. Is there

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- anything that you need to add to this, Commissioner Thomas?

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- Uh, no, I, well, yes, let me be brief. Um, I have, um, I could not attend today in person for a variety

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- of reasons, but, uh, commissioner Madeira got waylaid on, um, a trip. And so that's why she's not here.

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- Uh, but I will take, um, our discussion back to my colleagues.

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- for consideration. I don't see anything particularly significant in terms of debate. Okay. All right.

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- Thank you. Yep. So we will proceed. So we will go ahead and adopt tonight's agenda. Is there anybody

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- that has any

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- concerns about the agenda as presented. Okay. All right. So I just need a motion to adopt tonight's

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- agenda to move. All right. We got a motion and a second. And Michelle, will you please call roll? Yes.

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- Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

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- Yes. Yes. Thank you very much for that. Next up is the information related to the projects because as

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- we all know, we have until

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- December 31st of 2026, which is just a short while from here to spend all of the government dollars

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- and we don't want to give not a single penny back. So I know we have the auditor's office that is here

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- to present their recommendations to us. It looks like Miss Woodruff is going to be doing that. So please

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- go ahead. Good evening. Good evening.

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- We have some documents I would like to display. If I could be promoted, that would be fantastic. This

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- is Carly. All righty. So this should look very familiar. This is our ARPA spreadsheet.

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- We're going to get back to this here in a moment. I'm going to go over some details that are provided

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- also in the packet in writing. I'm not going to read those word for word, but we're hopeful just to

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- give you a brief overview of that document and how it plays into this spreadsheet. So reviewing the

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- timeline for ARPA.

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- It looks like we need to review the status of the ARPA projects as they are today. We need to determine

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- next steps for currently overfunded projects. And then we also need to determine where that money is

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- going to go. Ultimately, if we could, it would be really great to come to an agreement on what happens

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- if other projects become overfunded after this meeting. That way we don't have to come back to the table

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- and schedule a meeting. It's just kind of a natural process that happens.

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- The cash summary, as of right now, we have spent roughly $27 million, and we have roughly $1.9 million

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- unexpended. That is all currently obligated, but we do have some projects that are coming in under where

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- they are currently budgeted. So that's why we are having this meeting today. When we look at the spreadsheet

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- that should

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- this spreadsheet right here, you should be looking at this column for obligated or appropriated. Yes,

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- it's the appropriated or obligated column.

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- Whenever you're looking at the color coding that's used in this column, the yellow is going to be lost

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- revenue and the red orange is going to be that restricted. So anything that's restricted, it has to

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- have a certain purpose outlined in the ARPA guidelines. And we have worked with our ARPA advisors to

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- be able to determine

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- whether a project is restricted or unrestricted. Now, if we have unrestricted projects, we can only

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- have a total of $10 million obligated towards those unrestricted projects. So when we look at moving

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- money around across projects, not only do we need to make sure that we have enough money in the fund,

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- but also that we are not going past that $10 million obligation.

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- If you look over in the gray box over here you can see the totals and that's simply a sum function of

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- all the yellow and all the orange. And then down here right below the gray box you'll see how much of

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- a difference there is between what we have currently obligated for those

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- lost revenue projects versus what our max is. So as it stands right now, we have 152,000 and change

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- that we have not obligated to the unrestricted, but we have obligated that in excess to what are required

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- in the restricted. And we'll get back to that in here in a moment.

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- Moving on to talk about open and closed projects, you'll see this red line. These are two projects that

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- are currently under budget. So we expect for them not to use the full obligation. You'll notice that

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- one of those projects is restricted and one of them is lost revenue or unrestricted. Moving down

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- To the next layer, you have the light green. Those are projects that are open and have requested additional

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- ARPA funds. So those are projects that can take on more of that money that the red projects cannot use.

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- The next section, which is the dark green, those are simply projects that are open. It seems like they're

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- running smoothly. We haven't received any indicators that they are going to go over or under budget.

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- And then bouncing back up, you'll see all of these gray cells up here. These are all closed projects.

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- So those are projects that we have started. We fulfilled the obligation. They've been fully expended,

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- and they have been closed out in our ARPA portal. So when we look at the light green, I'm sorry, we

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- look at the red. Bear with me here.

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- Across the two projects, the amount that we are being told by the individuals that are running these

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- projects, the amount that is available to be re-obligated to one of the light green projects is $315,225.41.

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- And if you're trying to follow along, if you look at this page right here, it's the ARPA update.

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- That number is noted in red on that page. Now the light green projects the amount that they each project

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- is requesting in addition is listed in the chart on the ARPA update continued page which you can see

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- displayed on the screen right now.

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- As you can see, the requests are much higher than the cash that we currently have to be re obligated.

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- Moving on.

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- I just want to make a quick note that we do have some LATCF funding that we do need to make some decisions

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- on soon, whether that be now, in six months, in 12 months. We're not on nearly as much of a timeline

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- for LATCF funding, but that money is there and has not been obligated. Do we have any questions at this

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- point about what's been discussed so far?

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- Looking to my colleagues here in the room to see if anybody has any questions or how about virtually

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- So for tonight's meeting the auditors recommendation would be to Suggest a deobligation of that three

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- hundred and fifteen thousand and change of those red projects and then figure out a

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- across those light green projects, how we want to kind of spread that money across those projects.

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- And again, the very simple breakdown of what those projects are requesting is on that ARPA update. I

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- do have a question. My hand's been up. If I might. Well, we couldn't see you. All right.

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- So, hey, I do want to thank Ms. Woodruff and the auditor's office for putting this together. It's very

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- clearly written and very precise and very concise. I did notice that there had been some sort of email

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- exchange with the airport regarding the stormwater project where they may or may not need the $50,000.

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- Do you know when we're going to know that?

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- I do not have an answer for that. I can tell you they are working as fast as they can to close up that

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- project. And it looks like there may be a hand. I'm so sorry, I was hoping that was the airport chiming

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- in. I don't have a definitive answer, but I do know that they indicated their project should be complete

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- by October of 2026 is what they said. Thank you.

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- Councilor Decker. Thank you very much and sorry, I didn't mean to confuse that. Does this mean that,

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- and maybe I'm getting ahead of things here, but does this mean that if the airport doesn't need that

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- or, sorry, I'm getting an echo. If there's a combination of these that we might be able to spread this

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- across all three since we can't max out.

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- There's one of them that we could not max out to. Is this making any sense? Yes, that makes sense. Whenever

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- I look at these, and again, I'm not going to make a recommendation for what you guys should or shouldn't do.

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- But whenever I look at this table and I look at the fact that the max amount right now that we can give

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- to parks is roughly $214,000, that is the easiest project for us to quickly funnel money into. So those

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- monies have already been spent out of other non-ARPA funds. So what that comes down to is a simple ledger

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- correction to move those expenses.

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- from one fund to another fund. That would allow the Parks Department to then use the money that's freed

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- up in the fund that the correction came from on the paving that they are trying to complete. That being

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- said, since that is such a quick

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- action item for us to complete I would suggest we figure out a hard dollar amount that we want to give

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- airport that we want to give the ambulances for the fire district and then we leave some flexibility

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- in the parks project so that if any other projects come in under budget we can make that quick pivot

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- does that answer your question it does it sounds like

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- Sorry, the feedback is wild. It sounds like the flexibility would allow you to say all but 50,000

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- of it. And then in October, you'd know the remainder amount and could, you could throw that, if you

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- were maxing out to cars, you just put it into more ambulance funding.

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- it would actually be the opposite, because right now, if we give money to the ambulance, they're going

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- to have to go out and purchase the items, get the invoice, pay the invoice, request reimbursement from

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- us, and then they're going to have, we're gonna have to issue that claim. So that's a longer process.

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- So if we want to give money to the fire district, we need to do that now to give them time to put those

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- actions into motion.

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- Does that mean that you would not max out Karst in that case? I would not max out Karst at this moment

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- if I was making this decision. Oh, I see. I see. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Yes, Councillor Iverson. I want

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- to switch topics just real quick and go back to this de-appropriation of the 315 and change.

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- And I see it written here, but I think I do want it spoken into the record. We have reached out to both

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- the sheriff's department and the health department. They are sufficiently far enough on these projects

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- that they understand that this is happening. Yes, I've spoken to Dave Gardner, who has said that the

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- project for the jail locks is complete and all invoices have been paid. And the health department has

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- also confirmed that

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- they reach their obligation deadline and they are aware that this is being de-obligated. Excellent.

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- I think she's pretty sufficiently clear why I would want to have that read out. And Madam President,

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- I'm ready to make a motion whenever you're ready. All right. Let me see if we have any other further

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- discussions. I see Commissioner Thomas has her hand up, but I'll go to Councilor Wilts first, and I

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- don't want to put her on the spot, but I know in looking at

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- um, what we had and Councilor Wilts has done a really good job with, um, the Head at Home Initiative.

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- And I know right now it's not a good idea for us to open up things because we have to look at things

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- as lost revenue, but we also have that LA TCF, um, fund. So Councilor Wilts, I know you had, um, a concern or,

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- an idea I should say an idea of use of funds and I don't know if you wanted to maybe talk about that

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- or if not totally fine sure no I can talk about it and then I'm gonna put counselor Deckard on the spot

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- so when I was when several of us have been involved with the heading home organization and their

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- forthcoming efforts to look at a project around encampment removal and putting folks from encampments

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- into housing. That initiative is in the very early stages of being figured out and it would benefit

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- and indeed I think needs to be supported

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- with some local government match. There are other funds that they can bring in, but long story short,

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- I did speak with the auditor about this at one point, and I'm not sure it's the best use of ARPA so

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- much because of some issues around when the spending would take place and that kind of thing.

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- That one gets me every time. That's obviously an option. And I do know that since the last workshop

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- on this issue that was a week or two, a couple of weeks ago, Councilor Deckard has been more intimately

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- involved along with Commissioner Madeira. And so I think there might be some other ideas that they're

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- floating either in addition to

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- or instead of, so I wanted to just make sure that he had an opportunity to chime in. All right, I'm

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- unmuted now. So that program is in a pilot discussion, and I don't want to get ahead of where they are

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- publicly on that discussion, but a pilot

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- pilot discussion on how that might be a collaboration here locally between different entities, city,

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- county, and others. But the pilot program notion being that different entities would come together with

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- dollars to fund helping individuals that are either finding themselves homeless or in encampments. And

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- I guess my question on this would be, would this qualify,

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- Would these dollars qualify as something that could be used quickly for this, for ARPA? And that I don't

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- know. Yeah, I don't think that we know enough about the schedule for spending the funds to really have

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- it be a serious consideration for ARPA.

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- but the LATCF funds are not as time restricted. So I think that's what Councilor Crossley was referring

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- to. So I just wanted to sort of answer that question. We can jump back to ARPA, certainly. I do believe

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- there's a hand raised as well. Yes, okay. I wanted to make sure that discussion was over and then we'll

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- go to Commissioner Thomas next.

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- Yes, thank you. Yeah, I think what you've raised is interesting as a potential use for LATCF funds.

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- But yeah, that's the end of December. And the only thing we can do with ARPA, I believe, is to utilize

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- it for open projects. Projects still remain open, which is why there's such a short list in light green.

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- And if I'm wrong, Carly, correct me.

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- The other thing, I just wanna say a couple of things really quickly. First is that Mr. Copperle and

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- I are in conversation with the Lake Monroe Water Fund about the potential for an additional septic program

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- for our community, but also surrounding counties. So it's not that we don't care about septic, it's

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- just that the timing is so critical

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- there's only a certain window where you can actually install them, and that's where things ran astray.

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- And I also want to state that I would, because the airport's looking for 50,000, it seems to me that

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- for me, we can take whatever

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- You all recommend I can take that back to the commissioners, but I would think about just splitting

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- this between the ambulances and cars because the cars can be done quickly, but the ambulance side of

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- it needs time. And that's really a great investment in our community. Thanks. Thank you.

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- I guess one would also say as well that I know that it's been airport has been very vocal about trying

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- to be on the up and up because this also too can be an investment in the community as well. And that's

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- their economic vitality and growth. So you want to keep that in mind as well. And of course, we've heard

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- about, you know, what we've been doing with the

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- car spills project and we've been dealing with that for a really long time. And I really greatly appreciate

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- all of that. I just am also trying to make sure that we are also taking care of because every budget

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- season Mr. Laverty is always in here expressing some type of need. So if we could also shift with that

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- in addition to taking care of the ambulances, that would be great too. Okay.

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- Is there any other further questions or comments from council here or online? All right. Seeing none,

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- I guess we will. Well, the idea is for us to make a motion to bring forth the recommendations proposed

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- by the auditor's office to pass to go to the commissioners as well.

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- So, okay. Ideally, it would have been nice to have this all at once and go forth, but fate happens and

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- it allows us to be split at the moment. So that's okay. So. Deappropriation, you're going to start with

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- the deappropriation. Then Madam President, maybe we can take a breath and kind of look at where that

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- lands us. And then once everyone's good, then we can make a motion on the appropriations. Sure. All right.

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- Council, I move to de-appropriate a total of $315,225.41 from two projects, the jail locks project,

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- a lost revenue project of $62,512.50. And the second project is a septic project with the health department

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- of $252,712.91. Second. All right. And then I wanna look to,

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- Are council who looks like, is it good? All right, good, Nerman. All right, we got a motion and a second

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- to de-appropriate. Is there any other final questions or comments from council virtually or in person

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- on this item? All right, seeing none, maybe please have a roll call vote. Councilor Deckard? Yes. Councilor Iverson?

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- Councilor Fine, Councilor Will, Councilor Henry? Yes. Councilor Crossley? Yes. Motion passes unanimous.

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- All right, thank you for that. Great. So, yeah. Just so we're on the same page, now that we've made

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- that deappropriation, we know that the three projects in total are asking for $1.3 million.

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- What is the playing field right now that now that we made that day appropriate? Where do we stand? Can

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- you bring us back to kind of where things are? I think at this point you need to determine across these

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- three projects, where are you going to appropriate that $315,000? And like I mentioned, I would leave

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- some wiggle room and cars so that we can make some last minute pivots. I would not personally max out

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- to that $214,000 and change.

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- That's complicated because we don't know the future.

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- Go for it. I have a question perhaps for somebody who has an answer maybe about the septic project because

00:26:50.175 --> 00:26:59.742
- it looks like there's more than, and maybe I'm not reading the numbers quite correctly, but there's

00:26:59.742 --> 00:27:09.118
- still more that is being spent. There's an estimate for how much won't be spent. Is that correct?

00:27:09.346 --> 00:27:16.204
- It's not the same number. Correct. So the amount that you're seeing for the D appropriation is the amount

00:27:16.204 --> 00:27:23.128
- that they have not entered into contracts with homeowners and vendors to complete the projects. So there's

00:27:23.128 --> 00:27:29.727
- no more, there are no more anticipated contracts to be signed. Correct. The issue with septic is that

00:27:29.727 --> 00:27:32.574
- their work is heavily dependent on weather.

00:27:32.738 --> 00:27:41.000
- So if they can't get septics in the ground, they can't bill us and therefore we can't spend that money.

00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:49.342
- So that's where the ability to pivot and do a ledger correction very quickly would be really beneficial.

00:27:49.342 --> 00:27:57.684
- So are you saying that that is a project that you feel not complete even what it says it's contractually

00:27:57.684 --> 00:27:58.558
- obligated?

00:27:59.298 --> 00:28:07.770
- Because there's a chance for all of these projects, but I would say of the projects that has the higher

00:28:07.770 --> 00:28:15.753
- likelihood of coming in under budget. Got it. OK. And there won't be any issue with the contract.

00:28:15.753 --> 00:28:23.980
- I mean, I assume that if they can't get the work done by the date, which is not the end of the year,

00:28:23.980 --> 00:28:28.542
- I mean, how would you all have that figured out, right?

00:28:29.026 --> 00:28:36.952
- Like we will be able to have time to get money back from a committed contract that isn't going to be

00:28:36.952 --> 00:28:45.035
- fulfilled in time to. We gave a recommendation to the legal department to amend all of those contracts

00:28:45.035 --> 00:28:52.962
- to have a date that they had to submit the invoice to us and have the work completed. I believe that

00:28:52.962 --> 00:28:57.278
- date was in October, but I would have to double check.

00:28:58.018 --> 00:29:09.803
- It's been a minute since I've had that conversation, but I believe all of those contracts have a deadline

00:29:09.803 --> 00:29:21.255
- in them. That's important. I will move forward, trusting that. So if I'm understanding this correctly,

00:29:21.255 --> 00:29:24.702
- for the auditor's office, like

00:29:24.898 --> 00:29:33.145
- for the ambulances and stormwater, we could essentially, what you're saying is like, we could essentially

00:29:33.145 --> 00:29:41.081
- max out those two lines and leave Karst open in case there is some projects that come under, which it

00:29:41.081 --> 00:29:48.862
- sounds like it possibly will. So therefore they would be able to spend that dollars pretty quickly.

00:29:50.114 --> 00:29:57.518
- and these folks here, but we need to do whatever we need to do for ambulance now. So in case that what

00:29:57.518 --> 00:30:04.851
- you have mentioned earlier in terms of like getting invoices to purchase those things, because all of

00:30:04.851 --> 00:30:12.327
- that would take time. OK, the only thing I would recommend is I don't know that I would give parks zero

00:30:12.327 --> 00:30:18.078
- at this point, because if you have I mean, if none of them have another budget,

00:30:20.834 --> 00:30:30.261
- to not give money to them at all from this. Because Kelly has been very good to work with. The fire

00:30:30.261 --> 00:30:40.253
- protection districts has been very good to work with. Both of those entities have been very communicative

00:30:40.253 --> 00:30:50.622
- in the need for their funding. OK. Yes, Commissioner Thomas. Thank you. Right. It sounds like both the septic

00:30:51.074 --> 00:30:58.196
- contracts and also when the airport will know more about whether or not they need 50,000, because they

00:30:58.196 --> 00:31:05.525
- don't even know that right now, is October. The quickest turnaround will probably be not to the ambulance

00:31:05.525 --> 00:31:12.578
- service because they have to get the invoices and the claims on all of that, but to Karst. So I think

00:31:12.578 --> 00:31:15.966
- that timing is going to be important to consider

00:31:16.066 --> 00:31:24.990
- I'm not sure what can be done today in terms of votes, but we certainly can have a discussion about

00:31:24.990 --> 00:31:34.093
- this among the commissioners and send you back our recommendation for this funding. I don't know what

00:31:34.093 --> 00:31:43.106
- was advertised for today specifically in terms of allocations or if it has to be done at one of your

00:31:43.106 --> 00:31:45.694
- regular meetings. Thank you.

00:31:51.586 --> 00:31:57.971
- So to, yeah, can you answer that concern from Commissioner Thomas? Yes, so the advertisements allow

00:31:57.971 --> 00:32:04.483
- for you guys to de-appropriate and appropriate within the open projects. I think we're good as far as

00:32:04.483 --> 00:32:10.868
- advertisements go. I would not recommend leaving this amount of money de-appropriated. I would make

00:32:10.868 --> 00:32:17.316
- sure to appropriate it somewhere since you guys have already de-appropriated. Right, and technically

00:32:17.316 --> 00:32:19.870
- in a perfect world if we all were here,

00:32:20.162 --> 00:32:28.581
- We wouldn't have to do one half here, one half there, because we could have done this all in one setting.

00:32:28.581 --> 00:32:36.523
- So the purpose was for all of us to do this together. But again, fate happens and we're split right

00:32:36.523 --> 00:32:44.544
- now, much like a lot. So, yes, Councilor Henry. Thank you. Carly, do we know from the fire district,

00:32:44.544 --> 00:32:47.006
- that's a very specific number.

00:32:47.106 --> 00:32:54.728
- Do they have equipment in mind? I mean, I'm presuming he's got a list of things he wants to buy. So

00:32:54.728 --> 00:33:02.349
- it's in the packet. So the question about invoices and claims, I mean, it looks like there's a list

00:33:02.349 --> 00:33:10.352
- here of things that they're ready to go with if they were funded. Is that fair to say? Yeah. Yes, that's

00:33:10.352 --> 00:33:15.230
- fair to say. So that might be a little more expedited than what

00:33:16.354 --> 00:33:23.452
- What was presented here? Okay, go on, I'm sorry, I know there's an echo, go on. The Fire Protection

00:33:23.452 --> 00:33:30.692
- District is here and can speak on the next steps if they were to get funding today, would you like to

00:33:30.692 --> 00:33:38.145
- hear from them? Madam President, I would, but I defer to you in the room. Yeah, I was kind of whispering

00:33:38.145 --> 00:33:45.598
- to them if they needed to go ahead and come on up, so y'all come on up. Hello, Deputy Chief Matt Bright.

00:33:45.890 --> 00:33:53.748
- Yeah, I think at this point we stand ready to expend any of those items. Excuse me, can you get closer

00:33:53.748 --> 00:34:01.529
- to the mic or pull it closer so that we can all hear you? Is that better? Yes. Okay. Yeah, I think at

00:34:01.529 --> 00:34:09.311
- this point we stand ready to expend funds on any of those items. I think predominantly the stretchers

00:34:09.311 --> 00:34:13.278
- and power loads at the top are my highest priority.

00:34:13.890 --> 00:34:19.917
- In the ambulance world, those represent a single point of failure for us. And if that happens, we're

00:34:19.917 --> 00:34:25.943
- not transporting patients. So having that redundancy in those items is pretty important. I think our

00:34:25.943 --> 00:34:31.910
- next highest priority is probably in some of the aging electronic stuff. You know, as we've merged,

00:34:31.910 --> 00:34:35.550
- we've expanded quite a bit of district and kind of inherited

00:34:35.682 --> 00:34:41.840
- a lot of electronic devices and stuff from the various departments. We've got a lot of items that are

00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:47.877
- kind of approaching the end of their lifetime. So the tablets, we use those for our patient reports

00:34:47.877 --> 00:34:54.216
- and stuff in the ambulance and things like that, as well as our mobile radios to communicate. So I think

00:34:54.216 --> 00:35:00.253
- those would probably be some of my higher priority items. I thought I just saw Chief Diller has his

00:35:00.253 --> 00:35:05.566
- hand raised via Teams. So you're able to unmute. You can join the conversation as well.

00:35:11.106 --> 00:35:17.903
- I think just to add to what Deputy Chief Bright mentioned and Councilor Henry, with the exception of

00:35:17.903 --> 00:35:24.633
- those station alerting systems, I mean, we could move as quickly as ordering things tomorrow. These

00:35:24.633 --> 00:35:31.565
- items are items that could be ordered and placed into service relatively quickly. The station alerting

00:35:31.565 --> 00:35:36.478
- systems take a little bit more time. Each station's got to be, you know,

00:35:36.898 --> 00:35:45.064
- looked at by those vendors and, you know, they designed that system to go in there. So that takes a

00:35:45.064 --> 00:35:53.720
- little bit of time, but the rest of the items, we can move very swiftly. Council Henry, does that satisfy

00:35:53.720 --> 00:36:02.376
- your questions? Yeah, it does. Thank you. We appreciate it. You're welcome. Okay. Thank you. Does anybody

00:36:02.376 --> 00:36:06.622
- else have any questions for? Yes. Councilor Decker.

00:36:08.290 --> 00:36:14.999
- I don't have a question so much as I have a comment that I think. It's not lost on anyone here, but

00:36:14.999 --> 00:36:21.910
- I always like to bring it up that we have to be increasingly mindful about ambulance use in the county

00:36:21.910 --> 00:36:28.887
- and the demand on that. And some of us have experienced that personally and know that the fire district

00:36:28.887 --> 00:36:35.798
- is responding in this service to a need that we've got, and we've had some shortfalls in the community

00:36:35.798 --> 00:36:36.670
- in the past.

00:36:36.866 --> 00:36:44.328
- I'm not casting aspersions on that or blame because I think that goes all the way around to all of us.

00:36:44.328 --> 00:36:51.646
- But I think that the ambulance services is fulfilling a need that's robustly out there and something

00:36:51.646 --> 00:36:59.035
- that everybody experiences at some point or another, unfortunately. So I was glad to see this on this

00:36:59.035 --> 00:37:05.918
- list and would like to see us do as much as we reasonably can while we're doing this mix here.

00:37:08.962 --> 00:37:15.814
- Thank you so much. Anybody else have any questions or comments for the fire department? Yes. Councillor

00:37:15.814 --> 00:37:22.403
- Wilks. Okay. I'm sorry. You said for the fire department and my brain was already ahead. I'm sorry.

00:37:22.403 --> 00:37:29.189
- It's for something else. No, you're totally fine. So it sounds like we're done with questions for you.

00:37:29.189 --> 00:37:33.406
- Thank you very much. No, you're totally fine. Councillor Wilks.

00:37:33.666 --> 00:37:42.834
- proceed regarding the other two, then I feel like, um, well, if we've got Ms. Whitmer here,

00:37:42.834 --> 00:37:52.999
- maybe we could, um, I have a question about the parks specifically, and it's in, with respect to, um,

00:37:52.999 --> 00:38:02.366
- what Ms. Woodruff said about the money being able to be used for paving in, in cars farm and,

00:38:03.234 --> 00:38:11.559
- I'm the liaison, so I received an email from you, Ms. Whittner, not too long ago that indicated that

00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:19.967
- it was about a million dollars in paving. Is that correct? Correct. But with anything, whatever money

00:38:19.967 --> 00:38:28.622
- we have, that's all we will do. And this is related to? The trucks that came in and crushed our asphalt.

00:38:28.622 --> 00:38:32.414
- Now our asphalt was only to begin with. Yeah.

00:38:32.866 --> 00:38:40.983
- actually 30 years, we've never had a renovation of asphalt. So back in the day, asphalt just showed

00:38:40.983 --> 00:38:49.099
- up, but now it doesn't, now it can't do that anymore. Just showed up. Okay, so that's, okay, that's

00:38:49.099 --> 00:38:57.784
- the need that's being addressed there is a need for paving back to those new fields. Correct. Essentially,

00:38:57.784 --> 00:39:02.654
- okay. Our parts that have been falling off and we've. Okay.

00:39:03.010 --> 00:39:14.603
- Um, I just wanted to make sure that's what the connection was. Okay. Okay. Very heavy trucks. Yes.

00:39:14.603 --> 00:39:26.431
- Thank you. And so there's, well, I'm thinking of was what with what was just saying in terms of, um,

00:39:26.431 --> 00:39:32.286
- funding technically and thinking of other places.

00:39:32.546 --> 00:39:40.014
- besides ARPA, we have other funding, like use of potentially edit, so to speak, if that is a thing.

00:39:40.014 --> 00:39:47.557
- Right, right, of course. I definitely am not saying that we don't need to give anything, obviously I

00:39:47.557 --> 00:39:55.026
- wanna go with that recommendation, but considering what we have versus the ask of like, you know, a

00:39:55.026 --> 00:40:01.822
- million and other projects, I'm just, I wanna be able to give her what she needs and then,

00:40:01.954 --> 00:40:10.150
- try to tap into other sources of revenue to give them what they need as well. Okay. Are there questions

00:40:10.150 --> 00:40:18.426
- or comments? All right, seeing none, yes, Councilor Iverson. So I do think it was really helpful hearing

00:40:18.426 --> 00:40:26.543
- you two talk about, this is the Monroe County Fire Protection District, talking about the projects and

00:40:26.543 --> 00:40:30.878
- kind of prioritizing your list. That's always helpful.

00:40:31.554 --> 00:40:39.405
- given the situation, and it's really helpful to hear kind of what's going on at the Karst farm. I think

00:40:39.405 --> 00:40:46.955
- I've been kind of divvying things up in a mix on a spreadsheet here, and I don't know if we need to

00:40:46.955 --> 00:40:55.033
- get to that point tonight to make a recommendation about how to divvy up that 315,000, but I think hearing

00:40:55.033 --> 00:40:58.430
- your prioritization really helped with that.

00:41:00.066 --> 00:41:07.532
- And it sounds like from the auditor's office, because we've already de-appropriated, you know, those

00:41:07.532 --> 00:41:14.997
- types of things, the recommendation would be that we do something instead of just leaving it kind of

00:41:14.997 --> 00:41:22.020
- flapping in the wind. And then again, we would do what we need to do here. And then pass those

00:41:22.020 --> 00:41:28.894
- recommendations to the commissioners, the office to have a discussion for possible approval.

00:41:30.850 --> 00:41:39.212
- Yes. Do you, do you recommend that we then, um, move to appropriate pending approval by the commissioners

00:41:39.212 --> 00:41:47.180
- so that we get that done and they don't have to re-advertise appropriation? So yes, the motion would

00:41:47.180 --> 00:41:55.147
- be contingent on, um, commissioner approval of the project. Okay. And then as Woodruff, I would also

00:41:55.147 --> 00:41:59.486
- ask that then your D appropriation also be contingent.

00:41:59.682 --> 00:42:08.265
- so that we don't have a de-appropriation without an appropriation. So we'll have to go back and have

00:42:08.265 --> 00:42:17.019
- Councilor Iverson restate the motion. That just helps with everything remaining obligated. Okay. Okay.

00:42:17.019 --> 00:42:25.602
- And I think I saw Commissioner Thomas is hanging back up again. Yes, I'm sorry. Thank you. Here's my

00:42:25.602 --> 00:42:26.622
- suggestion.

00:42:27.010 --> 00:42:34.839
- y'all can do what you want to do tonight. Obviously, we know we're shorthanded, but we can

00:42:34.839 --> 00:42:43.615
- get a recommendation to you before your next meeting, okay? And so I don't know if there's any way to

00:42:43.615 --> 00:42:52.305
- put this on for ratification at your next meet. I don't know how you wanna do that, but we could get

00:42:52.305 --> 00:42:55.230
- you that information by then and,

00:42:55.842 --> 00:43:05.773
- and that will also indicate where we stand as a board. Does that help? Well, and I'm seeing some heads

00:43:05.773 --> 00:43:16.089
- shaking here in the room with the auditor's office, because again, they're saying we need to do something.

00:43:16.089 --> 00:43:24.766
- So technically, what we can do is we could technically, all of this is contingent, right?

00:43:24.866 --> 00:43:32.534
- we could say this is contingent upon approval and then pass the ball to the commissioners. And then

00:43:32.534 --> 00:43:40.432
- at our next meeting, if there is something that needs to be retweeted and changed, it could be brought

00:43:40.432 --> 00:43:43.806
- back to us then, correct, Ms. Turner-Keene?

00:43:44.034 --> 00:43:50.441
- As an alternative approach, you could table the deappropriation and the appropriation to the 14th meeting,

00:43:50.441 --> 00:43:56.668
- and that gives the commissioners the time to make their recommendation. And then at the council meeting

00:43:56.668 --> 00:44:02.895
- on the 14th, you can handle the deappropriations and the appropriation. And that would also not require

00:44:02.895 --> 00:44:08.943
- re-advertisement. I do want to say it has been advertised for both meetings. So what you could do is

00:44:08.943 --> 00:44:13.374
- you could wait till next meeting, or you could do your contingencies now.

00:44:13.474 --> 00:44:21.366
- and if they fall through, then you could amend those and do that at the next meeting. So you have many

00:44:21.366 --> 00:44:29.182
- options. Okay. And I saw two hands go up virtually. So I saw Council Member Henry's hand up first and

00:44:29.182 --> 00:44:36.920
- then I'll go back to Councilor Decker next. Yeah, thank you. So I just saw I understand the workflow

00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:40.062
- here. So the open requests that came in,

00:44:40.194 --> 00:44:52.777
- that we don't have requests from other open projects, right? That's correct. Okay, so having said that,

00:44:52.777 --> 00:45:05.359
- and I'm looking at three items that are here, and I think, you know, in my mind, like I think Councilor

00:45:05.359 --> 00:45:10.078
- Iverson mentioned, you know, trying to

00:45:10.242 --> 00:45:17.328
- come up with proportions or whatever. I'm looking at three things here. But Commissioner Thomas, you

00:45:17.328 --> 00:45:24.414
- had mentioned something about septic and regional counties as an idea. Are we to expect if the Board

00:45:24.414 --> 00:45:31.500
- of Commissioners meets that we'll have additions to this list? Are you looking to add septic to this

00:45:31.500 --> 00:45:39.358
- list or are these the three items that you'll be discussing? These will be the three items. I mentioned septic,

00:45:39.458 --> 00:45:48.122
- because it's a different funding source, not related to ARPA. So we're gonna continue working on getting

00:45:48.122 --> 00:45:56.704
- more septic service, better septic service in our community. Other ways. Yeah. So no, just what's here.

00:45:56.704 --> 00:46:05.038
- Councilor Decker. Well, my question is, we can't table a de-appropriation because I think we already

00:46:05.038 --> 00:46:07.678
- voted to de-appropriate, right?

00:46:08.098 --> 00:46:15.522
- If we're following the best housekeeping items of how to handle this fiscally, we'd need a counselor

00:46:15.522 --> 00:46:23.019
- with some sort of motion so that it kicks it to commissioners. Commissioners either accept it or send

00:46:23.019 --> 00:46:30.516
- it back or what have you and triggers that process. I'm not offering to do that necessarily, but what

00:46:30.516 --> 00:46:35.294
- I think we already voted to be appropriate. Yeah, I would agree.

00:46:35.906 --> 00:46:44.450
- Okay counselor Iverson did you have your hand raised? I did not have my hand raised. Okay so essentially

00:46:44.450 --> 00:46:52.750
- what it sounds like we should do is since we've already voted is maybe make would you agree counselor

00:46:52.750 --> 00:46:59.422
- Decker that we should do you agree with the notion that we should go ahead and um

00:47:00.834 --> 00:47:09.094
- Council Iverson's first motion on deappropriation, if he restates that and make that contingent upon

00:47:09.094 --> 00:47:17.273
- Commissioner's approval, is that what you're saying? I thought we already roll called that original

00:47:17.273 --> 00:47:25.452
- deappropriation, so now those dollars are deappropriated and have to be appropriated. But if I have

00:47:25.452 --> 00:47:29.950
- that wrong, somebody correct me. Yeah, and he did. OK.

00:47:30.658 --> 00:47:37.482
- So we have a couple options ahead of us, right? So we could re appropriate what I just D appropriated

00:47:37.482 --> 00:47:44.240
- and get us back to square one. And that would meet that would give the commissioners time to do what

00:47:44.240 --> 00:47:50.998
- they need to do. And then we can do all this at our next meeting. Option number two is I could amend

00:47:50.998 --> 00:47:58.157
- my motion contingent upon the commissioners action. We can move forward to the motion on the appropriation

00:47:58.157 --> 00:47:59.294
- of this 315,000.

00:48:00.002 --> 00:48:07.693
- depending on commissioner action. I think those are the two options ahead of us. And either way, we

00:48:07.693 --> 00:48:15.385
- are good for our next meeting because it's already been advertised. Right. Okay. Do you go and then

00:48:15.385 --> 00:48:23.230
- I'll go to Ms. Turner King. I think that option two makes a lot of sense because there was no need to

00:48:23.230 --> 00:48:27.614
- keep touching the same topic over and over again, unless

00:48:28.290 --> 00:48:35.158
- And this is the second point I had. It's important that we acknowledge that we are making these

00:48:35.158 --> 00:48:42.670
- appropriations in the spirit of a recommendation to the commissioners. It's not that we're telling them.

00:48:42.670 --> 00:48:49.824
- I mean, I think just to be fair, it is important to mention that. And that's the contention upon is

00:48:49.824 --> 00:48:57.694
- the fact that we would be making a recommendation if we had all the time in the world. That would be correct.

00:48:58.210 --> 00:49:05.866
- Okay, you're welcome. No, you're totally fine. Ms. Turner King. And though procedurally to the option

00:49:05.866 --> 00:49:13.598
- to which Mr. Iverson identified, you can't amend the motion because it's already been passed. So you'd

00:49:13.598 --> 00:49:21.104
- be making a new motion to make the previous motion contingent. Yes, that is yes. Okay. So Councilor

00:49:21.104 --> 00:49:27.710
- Iverson, would you? Okay, so let me throw two things out there and Council Member Wilts

00:49:28.258 --> 00:49:37.380
- please let me know. The first way I thought about this was splitting up the 315 in terms of starting

00:49:37.380 --> 00:49:46.862
- with the airport. We max out the airport at $50,000. Then we provide the ambulances with the replacement

00:49:46.862 --> 00:49:56.435
- stretchers and the tablets for $167,500. And then the remainder is given to the parks. That's $97,725.41.

00:49:56.435 --> 00:49:57.790
- An alternative

00:49:58.242 --> 00:50:08.483
- would be to start with round numbers. The park's $100,000, the ambulance is $200,000, and the airport

00:50:08.483 --> 00:50:18.523
- would get the remainder of $15,225.41. So I can go either way. It's a matter of where do you start?

00:50:18.523 --> 00:50:27.358
- Councillor Henry. Yeah, thanks. So Councillor Iverson, so option B, are you just taking

00:50:27.714 --> 00:50:35.650
- to get to what seems like two-thirds for the fire protection, a third for the parks. Is that how you

00:50:35.650 --> 00:50:43.743
- got there? That's exactly right. Yeah, the sum of both of those options needs to be $315,225.41. Yeah,

00:50:43.743 --> 00:50:52.150
- I had similar math at my end. I was more like $60.40, but I could support that option B. Hold on. Whenever

00:50:52.150 --> 00:50:57.022
- I speak confidently, it seems like Carly has her hand raised.

00:50:59.170 --> 00:51:07.724
- and missed the number, but can you just restate how much you would give to parks? In the option one.

00:51:07.724 --> 00:51:16.364
- Option two. Option two, $100,000. Okay, thank you. Yeah. Does the auditor just have to see any issues

00:51:16.364 --> 00:51:19.582
- with what Councilor Iveson mentioned?

00:51:24.578 --> 00:51:33.954
- The only issue would be that if the airport project does overrun, they would have to pay for those expenses

00:51:33.954 --> 00:51:42.982
- out of a different fund. And the same presumably with the ambulances. $200,000 doesn't get you anywhere

00:51:42.982 --> 00:51:50.014
- close, but at least gets you those stretchers and maybe some of the electronics.

00:51:55.362 --> 00:52:01.212
- Does anybody have any questions, comments, or concerns about either of those options? Why don't you

00:52:01.212 --> 00:52:07.061
- just go through the option two numbers for me one more time? I don't think I have it right here. My

00:52:07.061 --> 00:52:13.028
- math isn't working. I got option one down. So option two numbers again. Option two, let's go in order

00:52:13.028 --> 00:52:19.111
- that it's on. Karst Fields Project would get $100,000. Monroe Fire Protection District ambulances would

00:52:19.111 --> 00:52:22.270
- get $200,000. And the airport would get the remainder

00:52:22.498 --> 00:52:31.563
- which is $15,225.41. That's what I couldn't figure out. It's the remainder. Thank you. All right. Okay.

00:52:31.563 --> 00:52:39.931
- So option. I'm hearing a consensus on option two. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. All right.

00:52:39.931 --> 00:52:49.694
- All right. Council, I move to, let's get my language correct here. I move to appropriate. If I may Mr. Iverson.

00:52:49.890 --> 00:53:00.378
- I think you should make the de-appropriation motion first. So council, I move to de-appropriate $315,225.41,

00:53:00.378 --> 00:53:10.192
- which is the jail locks and the septic. Wait a minute. I think the motion would be I move to make the

00:53:10.192 --> 00:53:16.542
- prior de-appropriation of $315,200. Conditional. Yeah. All right.

00:53:17.634 --> 00:53:26.288
- So I move to make my prior motion on the appropriation conditional upon action by the Monroe County

00:53:26.288 --> 00:53:35.115
- Commissioners. Second. Is that clear? I don't know how it couldn't be any more clear what we're doing

00:53:35.115 --> 00:53:41.086
- here, friends. We spent a lot of time on these technicalities. Okay.

00:53:41.346 --> 00:53:50.134
- So it sounds like we're all good here and no other further questions or comments. So maybe please have

00:53:50.134 --> 00:53:58.837
- a roll call vote. You have to second. I second it. Me? Thank you. You're welcome. OK, so this is just

00:53:58.837 --> 00:54:07.966
- for the motion. The prior motion is conditional upon the board of commissioners approval. Is that correct?

00:54:11.266 --> 00:54:21.639
- Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor Feidl? Yes. Councilor Wilts? Yes. Councilor Henry? Yes. Councilor

00:54:21.639 --> 00:54:32.219
- Crossley? Yes. Councilor Decker? Yes. Motion passes unanimous. Thank you. Next up. All right. Council

00:54:32.219 --> 00:54:40.414
- contingent on County Commissioner action, I move to appropriate the following.

00:54:40.610 --> 00:54:50.354
- $100,000 in Project 37 Karst Fields Project, $200,000 in Project 14 MFPD ambulances, and $15,225.41

00:54:50.354 --> 00:55:00.389
- in Project 38 Airport Stormwater Drainage. Second. Okay, we got a motion and a second. Any other final

00:55:00.389 --> 00:55:08.574
- questions or comments, even though I think we've exhausted those, but just in case.

00:55:10.082 --> 00:55:21.187
- All right, and seeing none, may we please have a roll call vote. Councilor Feidl? Yes. Councilor Wilk?

00:55:21.187 --> 00:55:32.507
- Yes. Councilor Henry? Yes. Councilor Krueger? Yes. Councilor DeX? Yes. Councilor Iverson? Yes. Councilor

00:55:32.507 --> 00:55:39.838
- Feidl? Yes. Motion passes unanimous. All right, thank you for that.

00:55:40.386 --> 00:55:52.127
- So we are good on the ARPA conversations. It looks like. There was a recommendation from the auditor's

00:55:52.127 --> 00:56:03.982
- office that at some point, and maybe this can happen later, we make some declaration about what happens

00:56:03.982 --> 00:56:10.366
- to any other projects that don't spend all their funds.

00:56:10.626 --> 00:56:19.577
- and direct what they should be doing with that. Is that something you want us to do now? I would love

00:56:19.577 --> 00:56:28.441
- if you could do that now. Okay. Okay. This is about any leftover. Any leftovers. Anywhere. Okay. Did

00:56:28.441 --> 00:56:32.478
- I just move? Yeah. All right. I move that any

00:56:36.930 --> 00:56:49.605
- outside of the emotions that we just did, any other ARPA projects that do not expend all of their obligated

00:56:49.605 --> 00:57:01.693
- funds, have those funds directed to the Karst Farm Fields Projects Project? I think that's it. Second.

00:57:01.693 --> 00:57:05.214
- We got a motion and a second.

00:57:08.642 --> 00:57:19.854
- commissioners pending commissioners actions in approval okay so we got a motion and a second to move

00:57:19.854 --> 00:57:31.511
- any unexpended items to karst contingent upon commissioner approval is there any other further questions

00:57:31.511 --> 00:57:36.062
- comments or discussions on this item the

00:57:36.290 --> 00:57:43.431
- Ms. Woodruff, is there anything to add to this? Are we good? No, I just want to clarify. Whenever, if

00:57:43.431 --> 00:57:50.573
- a project does come up short, we will still send those through council for the appropriation actions.

00:57:50.573 --> 00:57:57.994
- This is just to put on record what our plan is, correct? Right. Great. And if we surpass the lost revenue

00:57:57.994 --> 00:58:05.136
- balance in CARS, we'll chat then, but let's fingers crossed that we don't get there. Okay. All right.

00:58:05.136 --> 00:58:06.046
- Sounds good.

00:58:06.146 --> 00:58:16.487
- Thank you very much. So seeing no other further questions or comments on this item, may we please have

00:58:16.487 --> 00:58:27.029
- a roll call vote. Councillor Wilz? Yes. Councillor Henry? Yes. Councillor Cross? Yes. Councillor Decker?

00:58:27.029 --> 00:58:32.350
- Yes. Councillor Iverson? Yes. Councillor Feidl? Yes.

00:58:32.770 --> 00:58:41.996
- Motion passes unanimously. Thank you for that. And then it looks like item eight is to discuss the determined

00:58:41.996 --> 00:58:50.383
- next steps for the LATCF funding, which again looks like has an expenditure deadline of 12 31 27. I

00:58:50.383 --> 00:58:58.686
- don't know if there is much more to add to that except we got a little bit more time to talk about

00:58:58.946 --> 00:59:06.372
- that so and we've already heard it's it's not something that we need to have expended right now but

00:59:06.372 --> 00:59:14.095
- it sounds like there might be a potential plan that we can put into play and so that particular funding

00:59:14.095 --> 00:59:19.070
- needs to be approved by both bodies is that accurate or in council

00:59:22.530 --> 00:59:28.601
- understanding is that we don't need a plan like we did for ARPA, but it would require a contract, and

00:59:28.601 --> 00:59:34.851
- the contract would go through the commissioners. Right, so that's where the two-star, okay, that's where

00:59:34.851 --> 00:59:41.101
- the two-part process comes into play. Okay, okay, so that makes sense. Okay, but not necessarily needing

00:59:41.101 --> 00:59:47.589
- to have a joint meeting like this again, we could literally do this separate in our own respective meetings.

00:59:47.589 --> 00:59:48.958
- Okay, all right, well,

00:59:50.274 --> 00:59:57.258
- Yes. Do we have some sort of a plan? Because I know 1231 of 27 is a long time out, but when do we expect

00:59:57.258 --> 01:00:03.909
- to get our plan to do that? You know what I mean? When would we want to put that on an agenda, some

01:00:03.909 --> 01:00:10.627
- timeline or something like that? Well, it sounds like from what Councilor Decker and Councilor Woltz

01:00:10.627 --> 01:00:17.278
- was saying with respect to the Headed Home initiatives, that that's still pending right now. And so

01:00:17.506 --> 01:00:25.591
- maybe when they have more of a concrete idea and plan, then that could change at any given moment, it

01:00:25.591 --> 01:00:33.518
- sounds like. So it sounds like, although 27 is a little bit in distance, it sounds like maybe their

01:00:33.518 --> 01:00:41.445
- plan could be coming soon. And so once they have that plan in mind, then of course, we can add that

01:00:41.445 --> 01:00:47.390
- to our agenda and discuss. Exactly. And then do the two part process where

01:00:47.522 --> 01:00:54.525
- We do that part and then pass on to commissioners for approval for the contract. Perfect. Thank you.

01:00:54.525 --> 01:01:01.805
- You're welcome. Is there, Oh, counselor Decker. I was just going to say we can definitely get something.

01:01:01.805 --> 01:01:08.670
- We can officially report back on that and get it out. I'm not trying to be mysterious on anything.

01:01:08.670 --> 01:01:14.910
- It's just, I don't want to get ahead of the experts on this and start saying things until

01:01:15.266 --> 01:01:22.939
- I know what we should say or who should say it or how we should say it. But we can get get really quick

01:01:22.939 --> 01:01:30.318
- on that. Okay. Appreciate that. So more details will be coming. All right. Is there any other final

01:01:30.318 --> 01:01:37.991
- questions, comments or concerns from council on this item? All right. With that being said, have a safe

01:01:37.991 --> 01:01:43.230
- holiday weekend and Oh, counselor Decker, did you have something else?

01:01:44.546 --> 01:01:52.528
- No, I can't control my hand. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. OK. Just me. It's not you. Keep your hands to yourself.

01:01:52.528 --> 01:02:00.510
- All right. With that being said, everybody have a safe and happy holiday. And we are adjourned. Thank you.
