WEBVTT 00:00:00.290 --> 00:00:08.974 - and so we will go ahead and get started. So I will call our meeting to order. This is the joint county 00:00:08.974 --> 00:00:17.574 - council and city council, along with our mayor, and we have a commissioner joining us today. Today is 00:00:17.574 --> 00:00:26.342 - Thursday, June 11th, 2026, and the time is 6.03. And so we have a quorum of county council. To my right 00:00:26.342 --> 00:00:29.630 - here, we have counselors Wilts, Henry, 00:00:29.922 --> 00:00:36.397 - We also have Deckard and Fidel and joining us virtually, we have Councilmember Hawke. And I will kick 00:00:36.397 --> 00:00:42.746 - it over to the City Council Vice President, Sydney Zulek. Thank you. Can we have the clerk call the 00:00:42.746 --> 00:00:49.538 - roll or should I just... Okay, nope, I will announce people. Okay, we have Councilmembers Rallo, Stasberg, 00:00:49.538 --> 00:00:55.950 - Flaherty, Zulek, Daly and Ruff in attendance with us today. And I will kick it back to Councilmember 00:00:55.950 --> 00:00:57.918 - Crossley. Thank you very much. 00:00:59.106 --> 00:01:09.890 - kickball. Okay, before we go ahead and get started with this, I want to go ahead and have the conversation 00:01:09.890 --> 00:01:18.558 - with saying thank you to our city colleagues who have taken to the invitation to come 00:01:18.658 --> 00:01:25.138 - with us together. I also want to give, you know, a special thank you to Mayor Kerry Thompson for joining 00:01:25.138 --> 00:01:31.310 - us. But the other thing that I want to make sure that we also note as well too is that we do have a 00:01:31.310 --> 00:01:37.728 - county commissioner, Commissioner Madera, that is joining us as well. I know I've gotten some questions 00:01:37.728 --> 00:01:42.110 - about, you know, who was invited and who's not. And so I wanted to say 00:01:42.402 --> 00:01:48.296 - as we had discussed on the 26th when we were making our decisions, that we wanted to have a 00:01:48.296 --> 00:01:54.702 - joint collaboration with our city colleagues, with us here in the county as well. We did invite the 00:01:54.702 --> 00:02:01.364 - commissioners and the sheriffs as well. However, we do have Commissioner Madeira here. Some individuals 00:02:01.364 --> 00:02:07.962 - respectfully declined to participate, but nonetheless, we have what we need to have here to keep doing 00:02:07.962 --> 00:02:12.254 - the business at hand. So we have that. Council President Crossley? 00:02:12.386 --> 00:02:18.083 - Yes. I got a note that council member Piedmont Smith is on Teams. Oh, I am so sorry. No, no problem. 00:02:18.083 --> 00:02:23.723 - I didn't notice either. Just wanted to read it for the record. Yay. We have everybody or just about 00:02:23.723 --> 00:02:29.590 - everybody. So I wanted to make sure that we are saying this because in our last meeting, I know we kept 00:02:29.590 --> 00:02:35.343 - saying, you know, we're not we're saying no to things, but we're saying yes. And saying yes is having 00:02:35.343 --> 00:02:40.984 - this conversation. Much is what we've had tonight. I think I dreamed about something like this much 00:02:40.984 --> 00:02:41.886 - so than we did. 00:02:42.242 --> 00:02:49.169 - A few years ago when the Convention Center expansion conversation was happening, we got in a bigger 00:02:49.169 --> 00:02:56.512 - room to talk. And I think we need to do more of this. And I appreciated that. That was actually something 00:02:56.512 --> 00:03:03.439 - that Mayor Carey had said way back when. And I appreciate that. So without further ado, I will also 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:10.782 - say tonight's conversation is going to be a little different. I am not going to be chairing this meeting. 00:03:10.882 --> 00:03:17.936 - I think one of the biggest things that I wanted to do is sometimes leaders kind of have to take a step 00:03:17.936 --> 00:03:25.470 - back and really try to look at some good things and people that really do some good work. And so I have asked 00:03:25.602 --> 00:03:36.249 - for a co-facilitator, Kate Wiltz and Mayor Keary to collaborate together. And we will do this together 00:03:36.249 --> 00:03:46.690 - in a collaborative approach. And they both said yes to this and I will kick it back over to them. So 00:03:46.690 --> 00:03:55.166 - thank you very much. Thank you. I can get started. I want to start by just saying 00:03:55.362 --> 00:04:07.150 - that while I am happy to help facilitate discussion here, this meeting is is really a collaboration 00:04:07.150 --> 00:04:17.406 - session to see how the city can assist the county in getting a jail built. The jail is 00:04:17.602 --> 00:04:26.096 - the county's project, obviously. The county runs the jail. The county will build the jail. But obviously 00:04:26.096 --> 00:04:34.348 - the jail impacts our entire community. And so while the mayor does not per se have oversight over the 00:04:34.348 --> 00:04:41.790 - jail, nor does the city council. This is something that impacts our entire community. And I 00:04:42.754 --> 00:04:54.063 - I won't speak for my council colleagues, but they have taken official action to express their desire 00:04:54.063 --> 00:04:59.550 - to support innovative solutions around the jail. 00:04:59.842 --> 00:05:08.489 - I am here likewise to make sure that we do everything we possibly can to make sure that when this new 00:05:08.489 --> 00:05:17.222 - jail gets built, and that is a foregone conclusion, we need a new jail, that we carry that project out 00:05:17.222 --> 00:05:25.869 - in the best way possible. And so to that end, we have a couple of framing questions that we wanted to 00:05:25.869 --> 00:05:28.158 - pose to the group tonight. 00:05:28.354 --> 00:05:38.921 - If we can, oh, I get to kick it over to Kate, who's gonna go through our operating assumptions and rules. 00:05:38.921 --> 00:05:49.089 - Our community rules. Community rules. Two things. I agree that this is meant to be very deliberative, 00:05:49.089 --> 00:05:57.662 - very collaborative, and I really appreciate the support that the city colleagues here 00:05:58.146 --> 00:06:07.547 - have shown just by even coming tonight. But what I'd like to make sure that we do is especially for 00:06:07.547 --> 00:06:17.041 - the county side of the table. But we've all taken time on this issue and said a lot of things. And I 00:06:17.041 --> 00:06:27.006 - think we've been pretty clear on our opinions. And today I would respectfully ask that we stay focused on 00:06:27.234 --> 00:06:37.999 - the questions that we're here to answer, and that we have goals at hand, which are coming in a moment. 00:06:37.999 --> 00:06:49.183 - The other thing is, of course, respect and try to pass the little talkie baton, so to speak, in a generous 00:06:49.183 --> 00:06:55.454 - manner. So we'll try to keep everybody on task, and we will 00:06:55.586 --> 00:07:06.441 - try to keep us focused and I just ask for your assistance with both those things. So when I was talking 00:07:06.441 --> 00:07:16.983 - with Councilor Crossley and Mayor Thompson about what our goal today is, the things that came to the 00:07:16.983 --> 00:07:25.438 - surface are we want to make sure that we as a collective group here align around 00:07:25.890 --> 00:07:37.843 - where we are in this process and what's happening next. And in order to do that, I think we need to 00:07:37.843 --> 00:07:50.513 - discuss and lay out next steps and a timeline for that and identify the actions each of us as individuals 00:07:50.513 --> 00:07:55.294 - and collectively need to take to get to 00:07:55.586 --> 00:08:04.642 - a jail, a construction of a jail, to be specific. So between today and jail construction, I'd like for 00:08:04.642 --> 00:08:13.433 - us to think about what our roles are, what needs to happen, and we have some ideas on what needs to 00:08:13.433 --> 00:08:22.577 - happen. That doesn't have to be whole cloth, but I think getting some agreement around how we get there 00:08:22.577 --> 00:08:25.566 - and doing so in a way that we can 00:08:25.826 --> 00:08:35.148 - maybe make a formal commitment together to work on what we come up with as those items. That's a lot 00:08:35.148 --> 00:08:44.377 - of words. Usually goals are more succinct than that. But I want, first of all, to see if anyone has 00:08:44.377 --> 00:08:49.822 - an edit or a concern around that purpose for this meeting. 00:08:55.010 --> 00:09:07.211 - So I always have questions. So this one is, is there a timeline with which we think we're working? Yes, 00:09:07.211 --> 00:09:18.943 - I think that what we need to do is get there as fast as we can and talk about what that looks like. 00:09:18.943 --> 00:09:23.518 - So I think that our meeting won't have 00:09:24.034 --> 00:09:33.475 - much impact if we don't leave having made some official decisions on next steps that we can agree to. 00:09:33.475 --> 00:09:43.657 - Those steps may have steps on the city part and on the county part. And while it's great to have deliberative 00:09:43.657 --> 00:09:49.118 - dialogue, we really are in a position now where the county 00:09:49.282 --> 00:10:00.644 - has to make some decisions. And so I would just ask that as we're talking, we're talking tangibly about 00:10:00.644 --> 00:10:11.568 - how we can participate in moving this forward and what that will look like for each entity, each of 00:10:11.568 --> 00:10:18.014 - four entities. Hi. To that end, I think it might be useful 00:10:18.402 --> 00:10:26.546 - for, in sort of a brainstorming way, us to go around and each identify something that you see that needs 00:10:26.546 --> 00:10:34.380 - to be done to get us toward the construction of the jail, and meaning that you don't have to come up 00:10:34.380 --> 00:10:42.369 - with the full list yourself. Come up with one tangible item, we'll list the items, assuming that there 00:10:42.369 --> 00:10:46.014 - are markers. Are there markers for that thing? 00:10:46.882 --> 00:10:55.613 - Did we just get a white board with nothing? Sorry, that was cut from the budget. Don't worry, this is 00:10:55.613 --> 00:11:04.344 - my time to take over with pink. Is that like an eraser? White board. Oh, that's rough. I thought that 00:11:04.344 --> 00:11:13.161 - was a black pad. Yeah, it looks like we are getting some. Yep, they're getting some. All right. In the 00:11:13.161 --> 00:11:16.414 - meantime, I will write it on a paper. 00:11:20.386 --> 00:11:30.004 - I can't even introduce myself with one thing. Well, okay. I think we need a shared vision of what it 00:11:30.004 --> 00:11:39.718 - is we're building. That has been elusive on the county side. The city partners, of course, don't have 00:11:39.718 --> 00:11:48.574 - a direct say in that, but ultimately when we say jail, which is what we were being sued over 00:11:49.218 --> 00:12:00.065 - or challenged about that is not a lot of the other things that have been added on over the past designs, 00:12:00.065 --> 00:12:10.809 - right? So what is required versus what's desired, I think, and understanding that. We need to make sure 00:12:10.809 --> 00:12:17.214 - we all share our understanding of that. Commissioner Madeira? 00:12:19.202 --> 00:12:26.643 - I would say to build on that, we need that within a certain period of time. So we don't have forever, 00:12:26.643 --> 00:12:34.010 - and it's not according to community preference. We also have that third party in the room. We need a 00:12:34.010 --> 00:12:41.086 - deadline, but we also need something that's not just community preferable, but court preferable. 00:12:49.058 --> 00:12:56.677 - So I'll state the obvious, which is location, location, location, because that obviously plays into 00:12:56.677 --> 00:13:04.296 - a lot of things. But I won't take up too much longer because I think Councilmember Henry said it as 00:13:04.296 --> 00:13:12.067 - well is what do we need, what's required and go from there. I'm going to jump on to location as well. 00:13:12.067 --> 00:13:18.238 - And in the premise that I hear it from a lot of folks in the community that say, 00:13:18.786 --> 00:13:25.511 - they're not sure we have exhaustively put a call to the community for any and all location that fits 00:13:25.511 --> 00:13:32.436 - kind of a criteria within the city. And so I would sort of say that to all of us, what are those places 00:13:32.436 --> 00:13:39.228 - that are not places that, or what are those places that could be viable, perhaps could be viable with 00:13:39.228 --> 00:13:45.886 - a slight relook from where they are now. And for us to think a little bit exhaustively around that, 00:13:46.050 --> 00:13:52.567 - with the demands that we have, which is that it's access to resources, et cetera, so that we're thinking 00:13:52.567 --> 00:13:58.837 - creatively. And it could be the real estate communities engaged on that. It could be just some other 00:13:58.837 --> 00:14:05.106 - folks not in this room. But truly, what is the end-all, be-all list of places that might factor into 00:14:05.106 --> 00:14:11.561 - this so that we're not just siloed into, oh, we've been talking about that for a long time, so I'm just 00:14:11.561 --> 00:14:16.030 - gonna keep saying that word. So that's what I thought. So I think size. 00:14:16.162 --> 00:14:25.568 - I think we have to agree on what size of a facility we need and what's. So I think size, what size do 00:14:25.568 --> 00:14:34.975 - we need and what is going to be in the facility, right? Oh, mine's not working. Might need to pull it 00:14:34.975 --> 00:14:41.246 - as close as possible. So if I didn't need to say it again, size and 00:14:41.410 --> 00:14:49.147 - What is the purpose of the size of the facility? What purposes are going to be in the facility? Is it 00:14:49.147 --> 00:14:56.278 - just the jail? Is it going to be what? What is it that's going to be in the facility? Thanks. 00:14:56.278 --> 00:15:03.864 - Is this working? Yes. OK. Well, I'll just cut to the chase. You know, my preference has always been 00:15:03.864 --> 00:15:09.022 - for a jail to be proximal to downtown or within the city, at least. 00:15:09.474 --> 00:15:16.817 - I voted against the Fullerton option. I'm open minded about various options, but I've always thought 00:15:16.817 --> 00:15:24.234 - for decades now that Thompson was the site, the preferred site. So, I mean, I'm in a position perhaps 00:15:24.234 --> 00:15:31.795 - of a site location and zoning as, you know, any approval by council. And, you know, I'm looking forward 00:15:31.795 --> 00:15:35.358 - to working with you to that end. But I'm sort of 00:15:35.554 --> 00:15:43.069 - A tabla rasa, if you have ideas about where else it might go and what we can do, I'm open for that. 00:15:43.069 --> 00:15:50.660 - North Park is not preferred by me, and I appreciate the efforts that has been done to preclude that. 00:15:50.660 --> 00:15:58.551 - Thank you. I have to jump on the location bandwagon. I think that that seems to be a huge question right 00:15:58.551 --> 00:16:04.638 - now, and we need to figure out where something is going to go and go from there. 00:16:06.946 --> 00:16:13.727 - I think some combination of several of county council colleagues, specifically what is required for 00:16:13.727 --> 00:16:20.575 - a location. I think Councillor Fiddle was getting at that. So depending on what your assumptions are 00:16:20.575 --> 00:16:27.356 - about what is required as a bare minimum and on what timeline, that's going to dictate how creative 00:16:27.356 --> 00:16:34.679 - we can be about location. And so narrowly scoping that to keep, I think, the locational options as flexible 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:36.510 - and as many as possible as 00:16:37.346 --> 00:16:44.019 - Well, that's not a tangible step. That's a preference. But that's where I was going. I'm going to take 00:16:44.019 --> 00:16:50.628 - us a different route. I am curious as to the number of beds that we actually need and how that number 00:16:50.628 --> 00:16:57.107 - might change with different prevention efforts. I think that prevention is one of the opportunities 00:16:57.107 --> 00:17:03.845 - that the city has to better collaborate with the county. If we decrease the amount of beds, the project 00:17:03.845 --> 00:17:05.854 - is, in theory, less expensive. 00:17:10.530 --> 00:17:18.532 - Kind of going back to the, you know, pulling back further what we need between now and the end of this 00:17:18.532 --> 00:17:26.301 - process, you know, and other things that we need to kind of keep in mind and put on the table is we 00:17:26.301 --> 00:17:34.148 - need community buy-in. We also need buy-in, you know, and support from the sheriff's office as well. 00:17:34.148 --> 00:17:39.198 - We need to take their viewpoints all into consideration as well. 00:17:39.842 --> 00:17:47.706 - Do you have to hold your finger on it the entire time? No. You just talk. Just talk. So there's probably 00:17:47.706 --> 00:17:55.271 - 1,000 people in this town that know far more about this issue than I do. The practical nature of it, 00:17:55.271 --> 00:18:02.986 - the history of it, the needs, everything. So I say this in all humility to weigh in in any way, shape, 00:18:02.986 --> 00:18:05.982 - or form. But I think with any location, 00:18:06.594 --> 00:18:15.953 - I really want to see, I would like to see, the community needs to see some, what I would call full cost 00:18:15.953 --> 00:18:23.422 - accounting of what the full costs are. Not just construction costs, but impacts on 00:18:23.522 --> 00:18:30.059 - incarcerated folks, their families, all the coming, environmental impacts of all the comings and goings, 00:18:30.059 --> 00:18:36.285 - not just environmental impacts of materials and construction, of decades and decades of comings and 00:18:36.285 --> 00:18:42.822 - goings compared to where it is now. Impacts on existing users in whatever area it might go. Put a dollar 00:18:42.822 --> 00:18:49.172 - value to all these things. Some, I know it's hard, but come up with some kind of dollar value that if 00:18:49.172 --> 00:18:53.406 - we move and build a new facility in a new place, it's going to have 00:18:53.602 --> 00:19:04.703 - some real impacts on existing uses and users, residents, business, whoever's there, any institution 00:19:04.703 --> 00:19:16.470 - like this. And so I would really like to see accounting for those costs when we actually make comparisons 00:19:16.470 --> 00:19:22.686 - for different possible locations. Thank you. Thank you. 00:19:22.914 --> 00:19:33.587 - I know we have two members who are joining virtually. Council Member Hawke, would you like to offer 00:19:33.587 --> 00:19:44.581 - input? Yes. What I'd like to make sure is, boy, this is making noises here. I'd like to make sure that 00:19:44.581 --> 00:19:50.878 - we recognize the purpose of this meeting was for location. 00:19:51.074 --> 00:19:58.639 - At least that's what the agenda showed me. And I think that if you're ever going to get to the end of 00:19:58.639 --> 00:20:06.131 - what we need to do, we have to start. And the start is finding the right location. And certainly, we 00:20:06.131 --> 00:20:13.622 - already have property that's paid for. If we can make that work, I would like to see it there. If it 00:20:13.622 --> 00:20:18.814 - doesn't work there, then I would like for us to move on to Fullerton. 00:20:19.554 --> 00:20:30.660 - But what we need to see is which of those two would the county council and city council agree to because 00:20:30.660 --> 00:20:41.237 - we know that planning has to help with that. And we also need to make sure that we are in agreement 00:20:41.237 --> 00:20:48.958 - on that. And we understand starting the process is not having to do with 00:20:49.090 --> 00:21:01.227 - what's going to be in the jail. It has to do with the location. We need to get that started first. 00:21:01.227 --> 00:21:14.713 - Thank you. And Council Member Piedmont Smith. Yes, thank you. I would just add concurrent to the construction 00:21:14.713 --> 00:21:16.062 - of a jail. 00:21:16.258 --> 00:21:26.184 - there should be continued collaboration on prevention efforts and also on well this is more just county 00:21:26.184 --> 00:21:35.729 - but continued support of the current jail and immediate remedies to any unconstitutional aspects of 00:21:35.729 --> 00:21:44.414 - the current jail because whatever it is that we agree to no matter how fast we go it'll be 00:21:44.706 --> 00:21:56.257 - a few years before there's a new jail. Thank you. Have any other council members joined online that 00:21:56.257 --> 00:22:08.038 - have not been called upon yet? No, we're good. Okay. I'll add my two cents. I would agree location is 00:22:08.038 --> 00:22:14.622 - the most important thing for us to figure out that is of 00:22:14.722 --> 00:22:23.776 - course impacted by the various other questions that have been brought up by these bodies. And I would 00:22:23.776 --> 00:22:33.097 - say the way I would frame the location would be we need to expedite the process for a single alternative 00:22:33.097 --> 00:22:42.329 - location. And I would frankly recommend doing that with a smaller body that comes back to a larger body 00:22:42.329 --> 00:22:43.838 - because with the 00:22:44.130 --> 00:22:54.932 - court case as it is, we've already run out of time. And so an exhaustive process on many different properties 00:22:54.932 --> 00:23:04.849 - is probably unrealistic, especially because that process would warrant a design specific to each one 00:23:04.849 --> 00:23:11.134 - of those sites. And so I think if we want to make some progress 00:23:11.746 --> 00:23:27.958 - My two cents would be, let's pick a single alternative site fairly quickly. Not in this meeting, 00:23:27.958 --> 00:23:40.158 - to be clear. Okay. I think what the mayor said actually kind of sums up. 00:23:40.482 --> 00:23:52.643 - a lot of what's here, not everything, of course, that in order to streamline our work tonight, that 00:23:52.643 --> 00:24:04.926 - we should focus on how we get to the location because that's a tangible that we know we have to have 00:24:04.926 --> 00:24:08.574 - before we can go any further. 00:24:08.994 --> 00:24:19.517 - We have a lot of information from the work that our transition teams have done. And so we do have a 00:24:19.517 --> 00:24:29.094 - lot of information about size and related purposes for the design that exists. And we know 00:24:29.094 --> 00:24:35.934 - kind of preferences from the various county departments involved 00:24:36.066 --> 00:24:46.072 - in a justice center and what they have said they need and the scaled back version of what they say they 00:24:46.072 --> 00:24:55.982 - need as well, given budget constraints. So we've had a lot of that information gathered. I totally see 00:24:55.982 --> 00:25:03.486 - how that is related to and will inform what happens on a site that we choose. 00:25:04.386 --> 00:25:14.418 - but we need to get to a site. And in order to vet sites or a site, there are probably some key things 00:25:14.418 --> 00:25:24.254 - that have to be either discussed, decided, or just have happen. I'm thinking around, I think it was 00:25:24.254 --> 00:25:33.598 - Councilor Aralo who said something along the lines of zoning. We know that there are processes 00:25:33.698 --> 00:25:44.159 - If we are looking in city limits, and I'm kind of gathering that from the letter, from what I've heard, 00:25:44.159 --> 00:25:54.419 - that is a preference that we build in city limits. If we can make that assumption as a boundary, then 00:25:54.419 --> 00:26:03.070 - we can take a next step and look at what are the processes and steps that get us from 00:26:03.874 --> 00:26:13.890 - Just having some ideas around what properties might work to building on a site. Reactions and thoughts 00:26:13.890 --> 00:26:23.615 - about that. So are we looking for factors for a site? I honestly don't think that we can... I think 00:26:23.615 --> 00:26:33.534 - we've already... I think we've vetted a lot of the factors already. And that's what a lot of this is. 00:26:33.858 --> 00:26:41.295 - Really? Yeah. I don't see a whole lot up there that I would put on a list. So I would summarize six 00:26:41.295 --> 00:26:48.881 - factors for a site. Just to be bold, I will take notes on those. I say that we need site control. The 00:26:48.881 --> 00:26:57.061 - county owns it and can acquire it immediately. I think we need legal permissibility. The zoning or permitting 00:26:57.061 --> 00:26:58.846 - path is clear and fast. 00:26:59.650 --> 00:27:09.039 - I think we need construction feasibility. There's no or few known utility, road, environmental, geotechnical, 00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:17.574 - or design barriers that cause major delay. Slow down so she can write it down. The second is, so we 00:27:17.574 --> 00:27:25.341 - need site control or county ownership, legal permissibility, or clear zoning or permitting 00:27:25.341 --> 00:27:28.158 - paths, construction feasibility, 00:27:28.930 --> 00:27:38.358 - So no known utility road, environmental, geotechnical, design, major delays. We need operational adequacy. 00:27:38.358 --> 00:27:47.697 - In other words, sheriff and design professionals confirm that it can support their needs, classification, 00:27:47.697 --> 00:27:56.861 - circulation, intake. We need a fiscal path. Can we fund it and vote on a timeline? And is it defensible 00:27:56.861 --> 00:27:57.918 - to a court? 00:27:58.498 --> 00:28:07.422 - In other words, can counsel present it as a reasonable, timely remedy in federal litigation? I'm guessing 00:28:07.422 --> 00:28:15.841 - that six hangs on the rest of them. Yeah. But I think that that's a good independent consideration, 00:28:15.841 --> 00:28:25.438 - too. Can I ask a clarifying question? Is that OK? That's related. And pardon my ignorance on this, because I just 00:28:26.146 --> 00:28:34.327 - don't follow this issue as closely as you all do, of course. Implicit in a lot of what's being talked 00:28:34.327 --> 00:28:42.428 - about is the urgency of ensuring we have a constitutional justice or jail and that we need to have a 00:28:42.428 --> 00:28:50.449 - plan in place. Is it impossible or is it possible? And how much have you all explored? And again, I 00:28:50.449 --> 00:28:55.582 - don't mean to derail. I'm just curious because it informs this. 00:28:55.778 --> 00:29:02.970 - flexible that timeline is, not based only on what the plan is, but how much we are resourcing an existing 00:29:02.970 --> 00:29:09.958 - building that may be unconstitutional in this level of care now. I don't know. But I guess I'm asking, 00:29:09.958 --> 00:29:17.150 - is it possible with a real investment, several million a year, I don't know, something, to buy yourselves 00:29:17.150 --> 00:29:24.478 - two years while you think more creatively? I'm seeing a head shaking no, so someone thinks it's impossible. 00:29:25.186 --> 00:29:33.880 - Can we kick that back to our county attorney who probably knows the answer to that? Molly's right there, 00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:42.740 - so. Yeah. So just to make sure I understand the question, is your question inquiring whether it's possible 00:29:42.740 --> 00:29:51.434 - to remedy the current conditions to an essence by time on building the lawsuit? Yes, even on a temporary 00:29:51.434 --> 00:29:53.918 - basis. OK. So let me pull up. 00:29:56.418 --> 00:30:04.678 - In 2020, the county had a study commissioned by Mr. Kenray, and that study lists several unconstitutional 00:30:04.678 --> 00:30:12.782 - or conditions that would need remedied. I have read that. Most of those conditions require the addition 00:30:12.782 --> 00:30:20.653 - of space. And so I don't think that it would be possible to add space to the current facility. There 00:30:20.653 --> 00:30:25.406 - is a cost, and I can try to find it, a cost analysis of what 00:30:26.050 --> 00:30:33.796 - of those conditions we could fix, what it would cost. If you give me a second, I can try to find it. 00:30:33.796 --> 00:30:41.543 - I think Mr. Cockrell's going to come way in while I look for that document. Maybe the consensus view 00:30:41.543 --> 00:30:49.826 - of county elected officials is that it's impossible to buy time through investment in the current facility. 00:30:49.826 --> 00:30:52.510 - I see some heads going either way. 00:30:52.834 --> 00:30:59.146 - I guess my response and Jeff Cockrell, county attorney, my response is there's probably there's probably 00:30:59.146 --> 00:31:05.217 - not a way to avoid additional litigation. But I would anticipate that once the litigation begins, if 00:31:05.217 --> 00:31:11.408 - we had some kind of settlement agreement, there would be some interim steps. I mean, I think it's been 00:31:11.408 --> 00:31:17.600 - mentioned before, we're not going to be able to build this jail in the next few years. Right. So there 00:31:17.600 --> 00:31:21.086 - has to be some interim steps that we would we could take. 00:31:21.826 --> 00:31:27.866 - as that process is going forward, what those are. I mean, that's a matter that we'll have to get to. 00:31:27.866 --> 00:31:33.846 - Does that answer your question? That is very helpful. Thank you. Again, I didn't mean to derail. It 00:31:33.846 --> 00:31:39.946 - sounds like there is a little bit of a diversity of viewpoint. It has bearing just like how many beds 00:31:39.946 --> 00:31:46.284 - has bearing on site selection. And so I'm not in a position to say one way or another if that's possible, 00:31:46.284 --> 00:31:50.590 - but I wanted to ask. Thank you. I have a different clarifying question. 00:31:52.514 --> 00:32:00.455 - different. All on you next Councilmember Rallo. Go ahead. That's okay. I just actually following up 00:32:00.455 --> 00:32:08.396 - on Councilmember Flaherty's his question. There was overflow of space located in the county parking 00:32:08.396 --> 00:32:16.337 - garage. Is that being utilized right now and is there any possibility for that to be expanded on? I 00:32:16.337 --> 00:32:18.878 - don't think that they're really 00:32:20.002 --> 00:32:29.052 - That's where the Stride Center is and there's no other space allotted to. Okay. Just checking. Thanks. 00:32:29.052 --> 00:32:37.927 - It's not significant square footage either. Is Thompson zoned for a jail? Yes. Okay. I don't know if 00:32:37.927 --> 00:32:46.713 - everyone else is thinking this, but that does seem like one of the more appealing properties out of 00:32:46.713 --> 00:32:48.734 - the ones that we have. 00:32:48.866 --> 00:32:57.895 - Yeah, it's currently on the table, so it might be worth starting there. I'd like to make a public motion 00:32:57.895 --> 00:33:06.665 - that we stop referring to it as the Thompson property. It's Thompson with a P. It's not Thompson with 00:33:06.665 --> 00:33:16.382 - a P. That's right. Did somebody else have their hand up? No, that we missed, OK. Yeah, I did. President Costner. 00:33:16.482 --> 00:33:24.278 - go ahead and say I think the idea for us because which is why I'm kind of not kind of I am glad that 00:33:24.278 --> 00:33:32.074 - we have our city colleagues here is the fact that we've heard so much assumptions of what the city's 00:33:32.074 --> 00:33:39.947 - process is and so for me personally I kind of want to hear from the city in terms of like what is the 00:33:39.947 --> 00:33:41.182 - process because 00:33:41.442 --> 00:33:49.598 - you all know best, especially if we're talking about properties within city limits, what does that look 00:33:49.598 --> 00:33:57.754 - like? Because we need to know. I think everybody needs to know. And it would be great to hear from city 00:33:57.754 --> 00:34:05.674 - to say like, you know, from county's perspective, this is what we need from you all in order to make 00:34:05.674 --> 00:34:07.870 - things work. Because again, 00:34:08.098 --> 00:34:16.687 - There's been a lot of assumptions and a lot of things that have been said, maybe not by city. And I'd 00:34:16.687 --> 00:34:25.361 - like to hear from city how that would work. The process and how long it takes depends entirely on what 00:34:25.361 --> 00:34:32.350 - kind of zoning changes need to be made. And so, you know, some things can get done 00:34:32.994 --> 00:34:41.374 - at the administrative level. Other things have to go to plan commission and even council. I have and 00:34:41.374 --> 00:34:49.754 - will recommit to the administrative side being as expedited as we possibly can. We would put this at 00:34:49.754 --> 00:34:55.230 - the top of the stack and absolutely work in an expedited fashion. 00:34:55.394 --> 00:35:05.257 - And I'll leave it to council colleagues to reflect on their process. But it really is site dependent 00:35:05.257 --> 00:35:15.120 - and what's going on that site. Thank you. I maybe want to put a hypothetical out in the room because 00:35:15.120 --> 00:35:23.518 - we need to test how a planned commission in the city would take a request. And I know 00:35:23.650 --> 00:35:30.150 - Councilmembers Rallo and Ruff were on council, I think, when the county purchased the Curry building, 00:35:30.150 --> 00:35:36.904 - which is right next to the current Zillow building. In 2003 and 2005, the county committed to investments 00:35:36.904 --> 00:35:43.403 - in that building to add it into the justice system. We had the family court in there. Suppose we said 00:35:43.403 --> 00:35:46.462 - that we owned that property, Curry, what is now 00:35:46.722 --> 00:35:53.491 - the garage, but was to fight this building. We said, look, if we were to level that and build a vertical 00:35:53.491 --> 00:36:00.132 - or a different jail, compact urban form in that space. We own the property. It's right next door. It's 00:36:00.132 --> 00:36:06.708 - surrounded by probation and clerks, and it's down here. But it's urban. It would clearly be a problem 00:36:06.708 --> 00:36:12.510 - with Ingrassi Egress for a while to do such a build verse in the Knott Thompson property. 00:36:13.378 --> 00:36:18.981 - What would that look like coming to the city, where if the county were to say, we own this property, 00:36:18.981 --> 00:36:24.529 - it's in the urban core, it's next to our justice building, it has a historical piece to it with the 00:36:24.529 --> 00:36:30.521 - Curry building being a historical building. What does that mean for plan commission, historic preservation? 00:36:30.521 --> 00:36:36.068 - To me, let me just throw that out there to test what that sounds like across the table, if that was 00:36:36.068 --> 00:36:36.734 - a solution. 00:36:40.450 --> 00:36:46.644 - Is it a historically designated building right now? I believe the Curry part is, or at least the facade, 00:36:46.644 --> 00:36:52.661 - but I'd have to check that, yeah. It can be undesignated through request of the owner, I believe, but 00:36:52.661 --> 00:36:58.619 - that's a process that has criteria. That's a few weeks. What's that? That's like weeks or months. My 00:36:58.619 --> 00:37:04.755 - gut would be a couple of months, maybe faster if expedited. I think I'd have to go through HPC and then 00:37:04.755 --> 00:37:08.766 - to the city council. That's my... I'm not certain of that, I guess. 00:37:08.994 --> 00:37:17.085 - I am the Historic Preservation Commission liaison. I'm happy to check with our staff liaison and the 00:37:17.085 --> 00:37:25.336 - chair of the commission and get back to you on that. I'm sorry. I was just going to say the other part 00:37:25.336 --> 00:37:29.822 - of that site is I don't actually know what the downtown 00:37:29.922 --> 00:37:35.745 - zoning layer says about jails. I mean, I know the jail is currently listed there, but I'm not sure what 00:37:35.745 --> 00:37:41.456 - it says now in terms of something being new. So I don't know if that would be something I'm trying to 00:37:41.456 --> 00:37:47.335 - look it up right now. But I, uh, you do is really long and I don't usually look at that, at that overlay 00:37:47.335 --> 00:37:53.047 - layer. It's kind of in a different spot than, than what I end up usually being faced with. So, uh, I, 00:37:53.047 --> 00:37:57.694 - I feel very favorable toward it personally. Um, I wonder if the proposal would be, 00:37:57.826 --> 00:38:07.602 - And this might add to expense, of course, to maintain some kind of the historic facade of the building 00:38:07.602 --> 00:38:17.094 - might be possible. And that might expedite it to with the HPC, et cetera. But. I was just wondering 00:38:17.094 --> 00:38:23.358 - if there were any types of grants for that type of thing. No. OK. 00:38:26.306 --> 00:38:33.460 - Councilmember Piedmont-Smith has her hand raised. Thank you. Councilmember Piedmont-Smith. Yes, 00:38:33.460 --> 00:38:41.360 - thank you. I wanted to go back to the Thompson site. I'm sorry, I don't know what else to call it, Mayor. 00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:48.216 - But I did want to relay some information that I received from the City Director of Planning 00:38:48.216 --> 00:38:50.750 - and Transportation, David Hiddle. 00:38:51.074 --> 00:38:57.456 - So he said, a jail is allowed as a permitted by right use in tract D in the Thompson PUD via approval 00:38:57.456 --> 00:39:03.900 - of case PUD 1202, which amended the original Thompson PUD. One condition of approval requires that the 00:39:03.900 --> 00:39:10.531 - site plan for any jail must be approved by the plan commission, unlike other by right uses, which require 00:39:10.531 --> 00:39:12.158 - only approval from staff. 00:39:12.898 --> 00:39:20.523 - Another condition of approval states, quote, any jail facility will be a public, not a private facility 00:39:20.523 --> 00:39:28.001 - and will generally conform to the size, location and population density proposed by the petitioner at 00:39:28.001 --> 00:39:35.333 - this time. And the associated staff report references plans showing an approximately 170,000 square 00:39:35.333 --> 00:39:40.318 - foot, 400 bed jail. So I just wanted to relay that information. So, 00:39:41.378 --> 00:39:48.644 - It was a conditional approval that it would be similar in size to what I just said. I don't know. 00:39:48.644 --> 00:39:56.800 - I mean, I think if it went back through Plan Commission, like the site plan has to go through Plan Commission 00:39:56.800 --> 00:40:04.214 - anyway. So I don't know if a PUD amendment would be required to go to Plan Commission first, if you 00:40:04.214 --> 00:40:09.182 - don't stay within the 170,000 and 400 beds. And I don't know what, 00:40:09.474 --> 00:40:17.682 - the latest proposal of the size of the jail is, but I wanted to relay that information. 00:40:17.682 --> 00:40:27.289 - Thank you. Councilmember Stossberg. Kind of related to that, if we're talking about the site off Roger 00:40:27.289 --> 00:40:31.486 - Street, formerly known as the Thompson site. 00:40:31.650 --> 00:40:37.384 - that anything there would have to go to planning commission simply because it's above a certain size, 00:40:37.384 --> 00:40:43.005 - so it has to go through planning commission. And as long as you work with staff and tick the boxes, 00:40:43.005 --> 00:40:48.683 - I mean, we had one last night that essentially it was by right because it checked all the boxes, but 00:40:48.683 --> 00:40:54.473 - because it was more than a certain size, it had to have that public hearing piece. Planning commission 00:40:54.473 --> 00:41:00.094 - tends to have two hearings is kind of a thing. You can always waive the second hearing depending on 00:41:00.322 --> 00:41:06.801 - what the build is, how well it ticks the boxes. I mean, if you come at the first hearing and it's like 00:41:06.801 --> 00:41:13.469 - an impeccable plan and it meets all of the necessary guidelines related to design and all of those things 00:41:13.469 --> 00:41:19.947 - for the zoning, often they do end up skipping the second hearing. We just waive the second hearing and 00:41:19.947 --> 00:41:26.301 - approve it through. That is a process that doesn't involve council at all. It only involves planning 00:41:26.301 --> 00:41:29.886 - commission. If something has to have a change of zoning, 00:41:30.178 --> 00:41:36.208 - which I don't think the Thompson site would actually need a change of zoning, then it would have to 00:41:36.208 --> 00:41:42.359 - go through planning commission and then through council to approve a zoning change because council is 00:41:42.359 --> 00:41:48.751 - the body that has to approve the zoning changes, but it has to come as a recommendation from the planning 00:41:48.751 --> 00:41:54.962 - commission. So it really does, as Mayor Thompson said earlier, depend on which site you want to do and 00:41:54.962 --> 00:41:57.374 - what the current zoning is of the site. 00:41:57.698 --> 00:42:04.510 - as the member of the planning commission from council, I don't think that that body would be a crazy 00:42:04.510 --> 00:42:11.322 - impediment, especially depending once again on the zoning and how well it kind of ticks all of those 00:42:11.322 --> 00:42:18.404 - boxes that are pretty standard. It just takes working with our planning and zoning staff or our planning 00:42:18.404 --> 00:42:20.158 - and transportation staff. 00:42:20.290 --> 00:42:28.155 - to help you do those guidelines because, I mean, the UDO is complex, just as the county development 00:42:28.155 --> 00:42:36.492 - ordinance is also complex, and those staff members are the best ones to help lead any development project 00:42:36.492 --> 00:42:44.436 - through. Mr. Madera? So in the interest of process and getting back to the purposes of this meeting, 00:42:44.436 --> 00:42:45.694 - I would like to 00:42:45.826 --> 00:42:52.959 - suggest that we move on from discussion of specific properties to discussion of the process. I do think 00:42:52.959 --> 00:42:59.887 - that the power lines property is going to be a political fig leaf that ultimately buys us six months 00:42:59.887 --> 00:43:06.814 - of process before it collapses before a federal judge because of the two years of poll moving that I 00:43:06.978 --> 00:43:14.337 - think that we have at the end. I spoke with Duke on Monday, and I'm happy to go into that at a later 00:43:14.337 --> 00:43:21.768 - time. I do think that that's something we need to discuss in front of a smaller body at a later time. 00:43:21.768 --> 00:43:29.272 - But that is, I think, outside the ambits of this meeting. But I would like to hear more about the city 00:43:29.272 --> 00:43:32.478 - process. And going back to Mayor Thompson's 00:43:32.578 --> 00:43:40.631 - comment about putting us at the top of the stack. When we are at the top of the stack, what happens 00:43:40.631 --> 00:43:49.247 - from that point on? How long is that process? Assuming we would need to go through the Planning Commission 00:43:49.247 --> 00:43:57.461 - and then through the City Council. If you had everything in, if the file was absolutely complete when 00:43:57.461 --> 00:43:58.910 - it was submitted, 00:43:59.170 --> 00:44:09.535 - I would say the fastest we could probably, and somehow waived the second plan commission. And the council 00:44:09.535 --> 00:44:19.509 - now can discuss on first reading, which means they, in theory, could decide on a first reading. So if 00:44:19.509 --> 00:44:27.038 - all of those things happened feasibly, you could get through in four months. 00:44:28.770 --> 00:44:36.854 - That's a lot of ifs. But that is, I would say that's the fastest expedited process that I would anticipate. 00:44:36.854 --> 00:44:44.937 - Council Member Crossley? Yeah, so I'm glad you mentioned that because we got the current planned commission 00:44:44.937 --> 00:44:52.796 - person here, or council member here, Council Member Susberg, because that was gonna be my next question, 00:44:52.796 --> 00:44:57.886 - because we've heard so many times it's a six to nine month process, 00:44:58.114 --> 00:45:04.631 - But from what I gather, what you just said, if there's no changes that needs to happen, it technically 00:45:04.631 --> 00:45:10.958 - doesn't have to have the two-prong approach where it goes for planning and then it goes to council. 00:45:10.958 --> 00:45:17.475 - Is that my understanding? If there's no need for a zoning change, it doesn't go to council. If there's 00:45:17.475 --> 00:45:23.929 - a zoning change need, then it does have to go to council because council's the only one that can make 00:45:23.929 --> 00:45:26.270 - that kind of legislative change. OK. 00:45:26.882 --> 00:45:34.611 - including an adjustment to the PUD. So it's just because a jail is allowed, if you change the size, 00:45:34.611 --> 00:45:42.340 - that is a change to the PUD, which does have to go to counsel. But not the false evidence appear in 00:45:42.340 --> 00:45:50.224 - real factor of idea of it going beyond a six to nine month process. No, I mean, it really does depend 00:45:50.224 --> 00:45:53.470 - on how much you have your ducks in a row. 00:45:53.858 --> 00:46:03.782 - in the beginning because there are boxes to check in terms of staff and bringing things to plan commission. 00:46:03.782 --> 00:46:10.398 - Until the package is complete, staff won't bring it to plan commission. 00:46:10.498 --> 00:46:15.815 - It just really depends on how well you have your ducks in a row in terms of that six to nine month. 00:46:15.815 --> 00:46:21.133 - I mean, Mayor Thompson said four months. I would say that that almost could be faster if you really 00:46:21.133 --> 00:46:26.450 - have your ducks in a row. I mean, there's a planning commission meeting every month. And except for 00:46:26.450 --> 00:46:31.874 - summer recess, there's at least two council meetings a month that it can get dealt with. If there was 00:46:31.874 --> 00:46:36.606 - a great deal of transparency and communication, if there did have to be a zoning change, 00:46:36.770 --> 00:46:44.293 - thus necessitating it going through council. If there was a great deal of communication with both plan 00:46:44.293 --> 00:46:52.108 - commission and city council kind of at the same time, so when city council gets it, it's not like starting 00:46:52.108 --> 00:46:59.632 - from scratch, then that process part can be expedited too in terms of the minimum amount of turnaround 00:46:59.632 --> 00:47:02.334 - between plan commission and council. 00:47:02.818 --> 00:47:09.379 - Sometimes, and I as the planning commission person, I'm like, OK, I'm going to be strategic about when 00:47:09.379 --> 00:47:16.258 - this goes to council because it's something big. Or I think that council is going to want to put amendments 00:47:16.258 --> 00:47:22.947 - on it. And so let's give it a little bit more time before it goes to council. If council is really aware 00:47:22.947 --> 00:47:29.380 - of it, then it can go to council pretty quickly after the planning commission meeting. And it really 00:47:29.380 --> 00:47:30.654 - just depends on how 00:47:31.458 --> 00:47:38.543 - good the communication is beforehand, and then just timing the process out in terms of when meetings 00:47:38.543 --> 00:47:45.558 - are. I'll tell you, it would be kind of rough to try to throw this in in August because of budgets, 00:47:45.558 --> 00:47:52.573 - right? So some of that has some dependency, too, in terms of council's schedule. Okay. So I'm going 00:47:52.573 --> 00:47:59.729 - to encourage us to move out of the nitty-gritty details of a planning process. And it may be that you 00:47:59.729 --> 00:48:01.342 - ask for commitments on 00:48:01.538 --> 00:48:07.881 - you know, expediting to the best of our ability and engaging, et cetera. But I think for the purpose 00:48:07.881 --> 00:48:14.223 - of this meeting, we'll get bogged down in a lot of details that may or may not need to happen. And I 00:48:14.223 --> 00:48:20.817 - think we have some sort of broad timelines. And so I'm going to invite Council Members Zulik to comment. 00:48:20.817 --> 00:48:27.222 - Sure. Question. Thank you. Would it, at this point in time, be best to set up a working group to work 00:48:27.222 --> 00:48:30.174 - through some of the more nitty-gritty details? 00:48:33.506 --> 00:48:45.508 - I think that is a that would be one of a positive a group of positive outcomes from this meeting. Yeah 00:48:45.508 --> 00:48:57.276 - Do you want do you want to make a proposal on delegation to that group Like yeah, how many from each 00:48:57.276 --> 00:49:03.102 - body who needs to be on it, etc I would recommend 00:49:03.938 --> 00:49:14.339 - a city executive, if somebody from county executive wants to be a part of it as well. And then of course, 00:49:14.339 --> 00:49:24.641 - representative from city and county council, I would think sounds good. Good plan. I would agree. County 00:49:24.641 --> 00:49:30.430 - executive as well. You mentioned, okay. More people. Yeah. 00:49:31.618 --> 00:49:39.208 - Unless other people have other objectives. Because I think sometimes when we have bigger, bigger groups 00:49:39.208 --> 00:49:46.578 - of things, it's not to say that we can't have the smaller working group come back to the larger body 00:49:46.578 --> 00:49:53.438 - and have a conversation. But I think that could happen where we have a smaller working group. 00:49:53.602 --> 00:50:03.223 - that has the task of what we are all saying and taking from this meeting, go work on it and then bring 00:50:03.223 --> 00:50:12.750 - it back to the larger body, unless anybody else has any other suggestions. I think that would be. And 00:50:12.750 --> 00:50:19.102 - is that is that larger body this group or is it the county council? 00:50:20.866 --> 00:50:30.154 - County Commissioners, what is the next step? I think it would be worth meeting all together again. Okay. 00:50:30.154 --> 00:50:39.529 - I'm going to suggest that while we're proposing this, we make it time bound so that we know we're getting 00:50:39.529 --> 00:50:48.640 - a team together that's available in the near term and whoever's volunteering can make appropriate time 00:50:48.640 --> 00:50:49.790 - commitments. 00:50:52.130 --> 00:50:59.291 - and task? Yeah, I was just going to ask that because what would the subgroup of four, what would their 00:50:59.291 --> 00:51:06.383 - purpose be? Because I think councilmember Zulek said like for that nitty gritty kind of detail stuff. 00:51:06.383 --> 00:51:13.405 - So is that like a site selection? And then you go, okay, like on this site, what would the steps all 00:51:13.405 --> 00:51:20.636 - be? And is that the same subgroup that we should have discussing what those sites are? Do you know what 00:51:20.636 --> 00:51:21.470 - I'm asking? 00:51:22.178 --> 00:51:30.131 - Or should there be? Because I guess I'm kind of looking at that and going, should we only have a subgroup 00:51:30.131 --> 00:51:37.785 - of those four debating or discussing the different possible locations versus a subgroup of those four 00:51:37.785 --> 00:51:45.438 - running through the details of the chosen possible locations? Sounds reasonable. But should there be? 00:51:46.338 --> 00:51:56.520 - I think for highest efficiency, my proposal would be that that subgroup is going to propose the best 00:51:56.520 --> 00:52:06.903 - two or three locations and come equipped with the zoning and other implications of each of those sites 00:52:06.903 --> 00:52:13.758 - for a larger group to make a single recommendation to move forward. 00:52:15.330 --> 00:52:24.202 - I think that there are only two or three locations possible. I mean, I'm not saying that there can't 00:52:24.202 --> 00:52:33.075 - suddenly be from the ether someone arriving with another location, but in all of our discussions, it 00:52:33.075 --> 00:52:42.035 - has narrowed to really only two or three, three or four max maybe, that could possibly work if we are 00:52:42.035 --> 00:52:45.022 - talking about within city limits. 00:52:48.962 --> 00:52:55.511 - I would add, and this is more procedural, to help that group conduct its business. We have two types 00:52:55.511 --> 00:53:01.995 - of government sitting in the room here. A strong mayor system can release notes from your office on 00:53:01.995 --> 00:53:08.543 - your administrative tasks. The County Council has never been privy to the full set of notes that the 00:53:08.543 --> 00:53:15.027 - Board of Commissioners have used to determine and disqualify sites over the past six months. I have 00:53:15.027 --> 00:53:18.334 - really asked the Board of Commissioners to release 00:53:18.466 --> 00:53:24.983 - all the documentation from executive session to that body so it can look and not re-invent the wheel 00:53:24.983 --> 00:53:31.823 - and duplicate effort that's already been done to dismiss or include sites. We've never seen that material 00:53:31.823 --> 00:53:38.276 - and so Commissioner Revere I just ask respectfully if we can take that back to your peers. It would 00:53:38.276 --> 00:53:45.310 - be rather great to see those notes because we did bring I think up to six sites between January and May that 00:53:45.410 --> 00:53:51.064 - It never came into the public view. They were an executive session. You all need to know that, otherwise 00:53:51.064 --> 00:53:56.556 - you're going to be flying blind. We need to see those notes. Jeff, have those been released? Are they 00:53:56.556 --> 00:53:57.310 - on the drive? 00:54:08.322 --> 00:54:14.746 - I'm not aware of any executive session that the commissioners have to discuss property that didn't involve 00:54:14.746 --> 00:54:20.930 - the county council. So I guess I'd start with that. I don't know what we're talking about with the six 00:54:20.930 --> 00:54:26.334 - sites. I mean, I will tell you, I get emails every, I got emails a couple weeks ago about 00:54:27.426 --> 00:54:33.186 - People who say, hey, what about this site? What about that site? I guess maybe I'm missing what you're 00:54:33.186 --> 00:54:39.057 - asking. Yeah, well, I'll ask it again. And if I have to go as far as actually naming the sites we talked 00:54:39.057 --> 00:54:44.649 - about in the executive session, I'll do it. I mean, we brought multiple sites to those meetings and 00:54:44.649 --> 00:54:50.353 - discussed them. They were eliminated for different factors. One, I believe, had a DLZ overlay that we 00:54:50.353 --> 00:54:52.254 - never saw made public off of TAP. 00:54:52.482 --> 00:54:58.289 - I think was one of the properties. So those are the list of properties that our peers would need to 00:54:58.289 --> 00:55:04.387 - look at so they're not flying blind and making the same assumptions and reinventing the wheel. I thought 00:55:04.387 --> 00:55:10.543 - I heard that there was meetings outside the council that had... It's loud in here, Jeff. And I apologize. 00:55:10.543 --> 00:55:16.292 - I'm screaming over a fan. But I guess I have no problem having those. I mean, we have those notes. 00:55:16.292 --> 00:55:21.054 - I mean, you have those notes. I think we can share them with the group as long as 00:55:21.858 --> 00:55:27.420 - We have legal guidance not to share those, but if we can get those released is what I'm asking. This 00:55:27.420 --> 00:55:33.038 - is in the weeds, but all I'm asking is that we provide that subcommittee the same information so they 00:55:33.038 --> 00:55:38.655 - don't reinvent the wheel. I guess from my perspective, some of those are held by private individuals. 00:55:38.655 --> 00:55:44.493 - I would want to reach out to them first to make sure they're aware that we're releasing that information. 00:55:44.493 --> 00:55:47.742 - I'm not sure any of them will have any concerns with that. 00:55:48.066 --> 00:55:56.666 - But that's just the courtesy that I would do, to let them know that that is occurring. That doesn't 00:55:56.666 --> 00:56:05.266 - stop it from occurring. It's just reaching out to them first. OK, so I'm going to assume that legal 00:56:05.266 --> 00:56:14.210 - counsel will make an attempt to release all possible documents. And we have Zulek, Flaherty. Thank you. 00:56:14.210 --> 00:56:17.822 - Overall, I think the thrust of where this 00:56:18.690 --> 00:56:25.468 - the structure that's being proposed could work. To make it effective, it seems like we need to spend 00:56:25.468 --> 00:56:32.581 - more time in this meeting trying to at least get a fuzzy universe of assumptions that are shared, because 00:56:32.581 --> 00:56:39.292 - it seems like the different tangible steps that people were outlining all impact any site location. 00:56:39.292 --> 00:56:46.137 - So flexibility of timeline, number of beds, these kinds of things. And then Commissioner Madeira kind 00:56:46.137 --> 00:56:46.942 - of laid out 00:56:47.138 --> 00:56:53.136 - her six factors as a synthesis of that. But I think there's a diversity of opinions. So one factor, 00:56:53.136 --> 00:56:59.374 - like acreage. Is there a minimum assumption that people have in mind about acreage? And does that vary? 00:56:59.374 --> 00:57:05.553 - Is there anything credible we can actually all agree on for that committee to be working with? I don't 00:57:05.553 --> 00:57:11.131 - know how much progress we can make on those types of questions. I still have questions about 00:57:11.131 --> 00:57:14.910 - the constitutionality thing. And if it's mainly space-related, 00:57:15.330 --> 00:57:21.191 - What are outside the box options of transporting some people in the near term? Maybe that's not possible. 00:57:21.191 --> 00:57:27.108 - Again, but just putting it on the table is like, if we're talking about creative solutions like Councillor 00:57:27.108 --> 00:57:32.914 - Deckard encouraged at the beginning, knowing how much those factors can move depending on some different 00:57:32.914 --> 00:57:38.499 - pieces really impacts a lot the viability and possibility of different sites. And so if we can't get 00:57:38.499 --> 00:57:39.550 - somewhere on that, 00:57:39.714 --> 00:57:46.086 - Or at least people can't, at minimum, I'd love for the county electeds to all kind of share what they 00:57:46.086 --> 00:57:52.458 - think are the requirements, kind of in a similar way that Commissioner Madera did, so we can at least 00:57:52.458 --> 00:57:58.955 - get that out there and hear the viewpoints and see what Koala, you know. I'm going to just take a point 00:57:58.955 --> 00:58:02.078 - of privilege in response to that, that I think it 00:58:02.370 --> 00:58:11.834 - To that end it would be good to have at least to invite and I know we invited Sheriff tonight, but somebody 00:58:11.834 --> 00:58:14.814 - from the sheriff's team and judge 00:58:15.202 --> 00:58:21.511 - if they're able to participate. They are the insiders who have the most knowledge about the building 00:58:21.511 --> 00:58:28.131 - and how things operate. And so while we're getting creative, it would be good to have at least invitation 00:58:28.131 --> 00:58:34.377 - extended to members of those two groups, I believe. Council Member Zulek. Thank you. Council Member 00:58:34.377 --> 00:58:40.624 - Daly and I both have to leave at 7.15, and I realize that we will no longer have quorum for council 00:58:40.624 --> 00:58:43.934 - at that point in time. So I just want to raise that. 00:58:50.178 --> 00:58:58.594 - Thank you for letting us know. Council Member Rallo. So this may be a naive question, but have you all 00:58:58.594 --> 00:59:06.928 - resolved on the county side whether everything needs to be co-located? Because you were talking about 00:59:06.928 --> 00:59:15.425 - a site location where it would be a campus. But does it preclude things like having courts here, having 00:59:15.425 --> 00:59:19.102 - the Curry Building utilized, phasing things? 00:59:19.234 --> 00:59:28.561 - In other words, then attending to the justice building, renovating that, then having another site in 00:59:28.561 --> 00:59:38.072 - process that could then expand occupancy of the jail. Is that part of the menu here, or are we looking 00:59:38.072 --> 00:59:45.182 - at one single site for everything? Where are we? So I'll take a hit at that. 00:59:46.402 --> 00:59:54.403 - Listening to the general conversation of everybody in county government, I think there is a strong desire 00:59:54.403 --> 01:00:02.329 - to co-locate because we see the needs for having everything in one particular location. We see the need, 01:00:02.329 --> 01:00:09.726 - as we have it so good right now currently downtown, of ensuring that attorneys, public defenders, 01:00:10.050 --> 01:00:16.969 - You know, everybody in the same area would be able to get to certain things, because I understand caseloads 01:00:16.969 --> 01:00:23.503 - and things like that. With people kind of going back and forth, it's a lot. With co-location, and I'm 01:00:23.503 --> 01:00:30.037 - not saying one way or another, so if somebody hears something, please don't at me or send me an email 01:00:30.037 --> 01:00:36.507 - about it. I'm just saying the general question, since you asked it. What I think I've heard concerns 01:00:36.507 --> 01:00:39.262 - from colleagues is the co-location amount. 01:00:39.586 --> 01:00:46.998 - I think a long time ago, I think the idea and the crystal ball was to have everything all at once right 01:00:46.998 --> 01:00:54.411 - where. And then SB1 came into the situation and kind of changed the game for a lot of different things. 01:00:54.411 --> 01:01:01.752 - I think maybe the idea, and colleagues can jump in if I say anything different, was to try to do that. 01:01:01.752 --> 01:01:09.022 - And then SB1, with the restrictions of a lot of different things, really kind of put a pause on that. 01:01:09.282 --> 01:01:17.679 - Plus, the cost, as we talked about so many different times, with everybody wanting certain things that 01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:25.913 - we've asked for, that just kept ballooning. And so right now, I think the general consensus is, what 01:01:25.913 --> 01:01:34.065 - does that look like? Because it goes back to the beginning of what is required in this whole ordeal 01:01:34.065 --> 01:01:39.038 - versus what we need to bring along with it in the beginning. 01:01:39.362 --> 01:01:47.370 - The idea is to try to potentially do things in phases, maybe to get to that co-location. But again, 01:01:47.370 --> 01:01:55.378 - I think it also depends on the location aspect of everything as well. And again, colleagues, please 01:01:55.378 --> 01:02:03.547 - feel free to jump in if I need to add anything or misspoke. One thing we know from our system is that 01:02:03.547 --> 01:02:06.910 - even if you choose not to do co-location, 01:02:07.074 --> 01:02:14.847 - you're still managing and paying for not being co-located. So when Councilor President Crosley talks 01:02:14.847 --> 01:02:22.774 - about that proximity and location, you've got everything from transportation to transportation of your 01:02:22.774 --> 01:02:30.547 - prosecutors, your public defenders, and every other apparatus to it. And so while the SB1 has set us 01:02:30.547 --> 01:02:35.934 - back on how we would do this, we know the county will be figuring out 01:02:36.482 --> 01:02:44.094 - all of those details alongside every elected official in the system. Council funds it, but they will 01:02:44.094 --> 01:02:51.705 - have to figure out the management of that and logistical system because we've been co-located since, 01:02:51.705 --> 01:02:59.317 - well, at least since they've been in the Justice Building and maybe even when they were near the old 01:02:59.317 --> 01:03:04.894 - City Hall. I'm going to jump in because we know we will lose City Council 01:03:04.994 --> 01:03:17.435 - forum in 10 minutes and suggest that someone might want to make a formal resolution for the record on 01:03:17.435 --> 01:03:30.365 - our next steps that we can commit to. And I think we have some elements up there. We still haven't talked 01:03:30.365 --> 01:03:32.926 - about a timeline for 01:03:34.690 --> 01:03:42.327 - when this group would have its first meeting, and then when it would be prepared to come back to the 01:03:42.327 --> 01:03:50.568 - larger group. I think that it would be a good idea for the working group to evaluate two to three locations, 01:03:50.568 --> 01:03:58.508 - assess the pros and cons of each of them, and come back to this body with a recommendation on a location 01:03:58.508 --> 01:04:04.254 - and an explanation on the thresholds and the criteria that were considered. 01:04:06.498 --> 01:04:12.809 - Commissioner Redira. Yes, and I'll just note that since I'm the only commissioner present tonight, I 01:04:12.809 --> 01:04:19.245 - will have to take this back to my colleagues and consult with them as well. Thank you. But to be fair, 01:04:19.245 --> 01:04:25.494 - though, we can still move forward with the working group. OK, all right. That's what I want to make 01:04:25.494 --> 01:04:31.993 - sure, because yeah. Number Decker. And since we have a working motion that we're drafting here, I would 01:04:31.993 --> 01:04:34.430 - add to President Zulek's comments that 01:04:34.690 --> 01:04:41.533 - If any of the entities, specified commissioner, mayor, county commissioner, Bloomington Common Council, 01:04:41.533 --> 01:04:48.376 - sheriff or judges for any reason, cannot participate or opt out, the commission would continue its work 01:04:48.376 --> 01:04:55.350 - under under the timeline to come back. I propose three months. Three months. OK, do you have a clarifying 01:04:55.350 --> 01:05:02.390 - question? I was just wondering if the working group would be public meetings or not, just as a logistical. 01:05:02.390 --> 01:05:03.838 - I don't think they're 01:05:03.938 --> 01:05:13.238 - there's likely to be a requirement of that because it's not going to be a quorum of any body. Right. 01:05:13.238 --> 01:05:22.998 - Can I just say I'm concerned about that approach. I think the public is going to demand more transparency 01:05:22.998 --> 01:05:33.310 - and more knowledge about just the whole process of selecting these locations and a small group bringing forward 01:05:33.538 --> 01:05:40.190 - You've already said here that location is the critical element. I just I have concerns about that approach. 01:05:45.634 --> 01:05:51.768 - I'll just say that I kind of share those concerns, but I think on the timeline that we're doing, I don't 01:05:51.768 --> 01:05:57.669 - think that it's necessarily practical to have all of those meetings public, and that was kind of why 01:05:57.669 --> 01:06:03.511 - I was asking, is that if they did have to be public, then that would, I think, change our timeline. 01:06:03.511 --> 01:06:09.528 - But I think some kind of mix of those in terms of that transparency of going, here's our big list, and 01:06:09.528 --> 01:06:14.494 - then privately whittle down to a smaller list, and here's the smaller list, and why. 01:06:14.594 --> 01:06:22.812 - might be a compromise on that kind of thing that could make sure that the public is well informed about 01:06:22.812 --> 01:06:30.872 - what is happening. Daley? Yeah, I think that sounds reasonable as long as like the reasoning for each 01:06:30.872 --> 01:06:38.142 - of the locations, why they were looked at and then why they were rejected or moved forward. 01:06:42.562 --> 01:07:00.126 - So would this magic group take input from the public? I think we need to make it public who's on that group. 01:07:02.658 --> 01:07:09.210 - You should probably come to the microphone. I can summarize what Jeff's going to say. I think the attorneys 01:07:09.210 --> 01:07:15.336 - in the room conferred, and I believe if you formally form this group, it's subject to open doors, so 01:07:15.336 --> 01:07:21.463 - these have to be public meetings. Is that true even if there's only one council member on the group, 01:07:21.463 --> 01:07:27.651 - or do there have to be two city council members in order for it to have to be public? But regardless, 01:07:27.651 --> 01:07:31.230 - why would it not be public? Why would that slow this down? 01:07:31.522 --> 01:07:39.788 - you just advertise a series of meetings once a week for the next six weeks and then come back. 01:07:39.788 --> 01:07:48.575 - And to me, you just do it. And I realized- So who will be doing that? What body is going to publicly 01:07:48.575 --> 01:07:57.798 - notice? I think much like we did this meeting today, it would be a joint effort, like working with county 01:07:57.798 --> 01:08:01.278 - council and then working in tandem with 01:08:01.602 --> 01:08:08.317 - I know the clerk's office has to do the notices and staff also has, we have to make sure that the biggest 01:08:08.317 --> 01:08:14.841 - thing is making sure that staff is available to be at these meetings before we can commit to that. But 01:08:14.841 --> 01:08:21.239 - the biggest thing that we need to make sure is, is that staff from county and city clerk's office is 01:08:21.239 --> 01:08:27.700 - available for those as well too. Okay, so it's been decided that there's going to be public meetings. 01:08:27.700 --> 01:08:29.854 - We know who's doing the noticing. 01:08:30.050 --> 01:08:39.405 - I think we're down to four minutes and I think we have a somewhat formed resolution, but I haven't heard 01:08:39.405 --> 01:08:48.493 - it. The deadline for I would. Is it realistic that the group could meet for the first time within one 01:08:48.493 --> 01:08:54.462 - week from today? An initial meeting that I think that goes to who? 01:08:54.722 --> 01:09:00.404 - Which which council members should be on the group? I mean, it's pretty we don't even know who we're 01:09:00.404 --> 01:09:06.199 - talking about here. And and then Commissioner Madeira, of course, has to go back to the commissioners. 01:09:06.199 --> 01:09:11.881 - So maybe that doesn't matter. But is there a particular county council member or city council member 01:09:11.881 --> 01:09:17.619 - that anybody would like to nominate or self nominate or think makes most sense in this working group? 01:09:17.619 --> 01:09:21.726 - Yeah. Councilor Decker, I recommend that we trust the presidents of both 01:09:21.858 --> 01:09:28.932 - of the councils to appoint a member. Those presidents would likely pull their members and the rest would 01:09:28.932 --> 01:09:35.736 - take care of itself. City Council has no more regular sessions. And so see how somebody has to do it 01:09:35.736 --> 01:09:42.607 - now. I'm happy to do it. I'm also happy to appoint one of you. I'm in town for all of recess, so I am 01:09:42.607 --> 01:09:49.950 - available. I'm not in town for all of recess, but I'm wondering how much my involvement with Plan Commission 01:09:49.950 --> 01:09:51.230 - matters right now. 01:09:51.586 --> 01:09:59.784 - I can keep you informed. Always be supplemental. Yes, that's true. Any? Would you guys have recusal 01:09:59.784 --> 01:10:08.227 - issues? What? Sorry? Would you guys have recusal issues? So for example, if Hopi served and this later 01:10:08.227 --> 01:10:16.671 - came before the plan commission, would there be recusal issues? I think it's been decided that Zulik's 01:10:16.671 --> 01:10:20.606 - serving. Okay, great. I will keep you informed. 01:10:21.666 --> 01:10:30.562 - And I will appoint myself to serve on the working group, but I believe we have to have a motion first 01:10:30.562 --> 01:10:39.458 - to actually form the working group. When I agreed at the fairly last minute that I would sit here and 01:10:39.458 --> 01:10:45.214 - help facilitate, I admitted that Robert's Rules was not my thing. 01:10:45.666 --> 01:10:53.914 - I'll move on city council's behalf. I'll move to participate in a working group with the other. Monroe 01:10:53.914 --> 01:11:02.242 - County officials that are in the mayor. I don't know how to say it. I mean, Monroe County, technically, 01:11:02.242 --> 01:11:10.330 - she's the mayor of Bloomington. She also lives in Monroe County. So anyway, to have a county council 01:11:10.330 --> 01:11:14.494 - member or city council member on the working group. 01:11:14.818 --> 01:11:22.347 - as is listed on the white board right now. How about that? That's a long motion. I know. Right. It was 01:11:22.347 --> 01:11:29.729 - horrible. Did you get that? Really? Sorry, Clerk Bolden. We can't hear you guys because of the fans. 01:11:29.729 --> 01:11:37.184 - Oh, sorry. I'm not used to this room. So I'm moving that that city council participate in the working 01:11:37.184 --> 01:11:40.766 - group as is listed on the white board right now. 01:11:41.250 --> 01:11:51.983 - And so we call for a vote of just city council. Once we get a second on that. Yes, we can second. Daily 01:11:51.983 --> 01:12:02.614 - seconded. Will the clerk please call the roll? Sure. Councilmember Rallo. Yes. Stasberg. Yes. Clarity. 01:12:02.614 --> 01:12:07.774 - Yes. Zulek. Yes. Daily. Yes. Ruff. Yes. Piedmont. 01:12:11.458 --> 01:12:18.836 - I can't see the white board, so I'm gonna pass. Okay, thank you. That passes, and I will appoint myself 01:12:18.836 --> 01:12:26.001 - to be on that working group. I also just want to note that we should add the prosecutor's office and 01:12:26.001 --> 01:12:33.166 - the public defender's office to that group to be invited. Uh-oh, does that change? Could I also say, 01:12:33.166 --> 01:12:41.182 - Hopi, Councilmember Salzberg mentioned sort of what she called a compromise approach to being very public on the 01:12:41.410 --> 01:12:48.626 - the larger number of sites and the accessibility to the information for why a site was selected or rejected, 01:12:48.626 --> 01:12:55.312 - and then taken to the smaller group. Yeah, but then I think the attorneys decided they all had to be 01:12:55.312 --> 01:13:02.264 - public meetings, so it doesn't really apply anymore. And so we also need to have a motion from our side. 01:13:02.264 --> 01:13:06.302 - So I'm looking into my colleagues to see how that will work. 01:13:07.074 --> 01:13:13.555 - do my best here and I do this madam president in the spirit that this moves us towards resolution in 01:13:13.555 --> 01:13:20.036 - collaboration with our city partners who are graciously here today. Thank you. I would move that the 01:13:20.036 --> 01:13:26.581 - county council similarly appoint a representative via the appointment of the president of the council 01:13:26.581 --> 01:13:29.918 - to join with the other county entities commissioner 01:13:30.178 --> 01:13:37.395 - the sheriff, judges, prosecutor, public defender, as well as the mayor and the Bloomington City Council 01:13:37.395 --> 01:13:44.403 - to make a recommendation on moving this forward towards two to three locations with a recommendation 01:13:44.403 --> 01:13:51.689 - of one. Second. Other timelines. OK, we got a motion and a second. Is there any other further discussion 01:13:51.689 --> 01:13:58.142 - from council colleagues on this? Seeing none, Michelle, may we please have a roll call vote? 01:13:58.722 --> 01:14:11.055 - I didn't hear who seconded. It was Councilmember Henry. Thank you. Councillor Crossley. Yes. Councillor 01:14:11.055 --> 01:14:23.032 - Deckard. Yes. Councillor Feidl. Yes. Councillor Hawke. Yes. Councillor Henry. Yes. Councillor Wilts. 01:14:23.032 --> 01:14:26.590 - Yes. Motion passes unanimous. 01:14:27.842 --> 01:14:36.481 - And so before we end, would it be okay for us to say within the next, let's have a goal line of maybe 01:14:36.481 --> 01:14:45.035 - no later than one month to reconvene since I know there's travel sessions and you all are on council 01:14:45.035 --> 01:14:53.589 - recess, but you will be here so that we can get back in the saddle of things. So yes. I think that's 01:14:53.589 --> 01:14:56.638 - a great suggestion. I just want to, 01:14:57.538 --> 01:15:07.126 - Let me clarify a little bit. In one month, this body will reconvene to hear the recommendation on a 01:15:07.126 --> 01:15:17.002 - site from the subcommittee that we just formed. That sounds correct. Got it. I want to make sure I had 01:15:17.002 --> 01:15:26.782 - it understood. It might be worth meeting several times to talk about the criteria that we decided on. 01:15:26.882 --> 01:15:33.474 - and then come back to it as a group, have that discussion, and then go back in and apply it to those 01:15:33.474 --> 01:15:40.131 - site plans just so that we're all on the same page with what we decided on immediately. I don't think 01:15:40.131 --> 01:15:46.853 - we have time. But I think the idea for us right now for this subgroup and for the timeline that we are 01:15:46.853 --> 01:15:53.118 - kind of on is making sure that we get this done and reconvene within the next month. Does that? 01:15:53.986 --> 01:16:00.325 - So the subgroup was going to meet and then we could all come back and meet, right? Is that what you 01:16:00.325 --> 01:16:06.917 - were getting at? Yeah, the subgroup will meet as many times as they want between now and then in public 01:16:06.917 --> 01:16:13.383 - meetings, figuring out there is so much information that hasn't been shared publicly about sites that 01:16:13.383 --> 01:16:14.270 - are possible. 01:16:14.626 --> 01:16:25.083 - And I have a feeling if we can work through that, to Councillor Henry's point, and share it with that 01:16:25.083 --> 01:16:35.540 - small group and hopefully the public, that will change the trajectory of all of this. Because it will 01:16:35.540 --> 01:16:43.742 - become clear, I think, what the negotiables are and what the pros and cons are. 01:16:45.026 --> 01:16:51.953 - That's all I, I mean, that's all I can really say. Sure. I have faith. Ms. Sherman, do you have? So 01:16:51.953 --> 01:16:59.503 - I'll just reiterate the position of my colleagues that as we get closer to litigation, we will be consulting 01:16:59.503 --> 01:17:06.430 - with litigation counsel. And that litigation counsel will also have reflections on the property and 01:17:06.430 --> 01:17:12.734 - the propriety of characteristics. So that will also come into the conversation. Thank you. 01:17:13.026 --> 01:17:18.824 - keeping that in mind, but also knowing that we still have work in progress to do. So with that being 01:17:18.824 --> 01:17:24.679 - said, yeah. Are you appointing somebody now? That's what I was just going to ask. Do we know who that 01:17:24.679 --> 01:17:30.420 - who's going to volunteer so I can put that in our notes? Are you working on that tonight? President 01:17:30.420 --> 01:17:36.160 - Crossley, are you going to appoint somebody tonight? I will look at two colleagues to see who would 01:17:36.160 --> 01:17:38.686 - like to volunteer themselves. It is not me. 01:17:43.138 --> 01:17:51.392 - Let's step up if no one else wants to. Okay. Or no one else can. I'm available. Does anybody have any 01:17:51.392 --> 01:17:59.483 - objections? No objections? Okay. Tag your council member title. Thank you. All right. Clerk Bolden, 01:17:59.483 --> 01:18:07.656 - can I get a read on exactly what the resolutions said about, is it a member of the administration or 01:18:07.656 --> 01:18:09.598 - is it me in particular? 01:18:12.002 --> 01:18:24.948 - that's going to participate in this body. My calendar can be prohibitive to rapid fire public meetings 01:18:24.948 --> 01:18:38.019 - with less than a month's notice. OK, I had heard it as a member of the administration. So shall we just 01:18:38.019 --> 01:18:41.790 - make sure that we may clarify 01:18:42.210 --> 01:18:52.473 - that we are happy to accept a delegate from your office. The mayor or her designee? That's a good word. 01:18:52.473 --> 01:19:02.341 - And I'll note that my motion was what was on the board, and the board did get truncated in a couple 01:19:02.341 --> 01:19:11.518 - of ways. So the mayor, admin, and commiss will just, yeah. I would similarly say on our end, 01:19:11.970 --> 01:19:19.900 - That's awesome. And that we would accept the commissioners and their designee as well in the spirit 01:19:19.900 --> 01:19:27.910 - that we're moving collaboratively to move this forward. Yep. That is the goal. And that was the goal 01:19:27.910 --> 01:19:36.079 - of this meeting. Do we have a motion for adjournment? So moved. Second. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you, 01:19:36.079 --> 01:19:41.630 - everyone, for your collaboration tonight. Do you all have to vote to? 01:19:41.794 --> 01:19:47.102 - Leave. No. Thank you. Thank you.