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- We call the December 17th, 2025 meeting of the Monroe County Capital Improvement Board to order. And

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- I will ask Mr. Woodlatch to take the role. John Weichardt. Present. Doug Bruce. Here. Jeff McKim. Here.

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- Joyce Poling. Jim Silverstein. Here. Adam Teese. Here. Jay Baer. Here. You know, I hope everybody has

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- an opportunity to see Mr. Bruce, who has this occasion once a year.

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- to wear this suit, which I called him earlier today to ask him if he was wearing it and he was not.

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- And I said to him, when else do you wear this suit? So he's got it on and I'm grateful. No, no, no,

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- I'm just, I'm just, yeah, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't mean all of us. I meant those of us. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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- I'm grateful it's not my suit. All right, approval of consent agenda. Item number two, you've received

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- the minutes of the board meeting November 19th. You've received claims in the financial report. Is there

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- a motion to approve the consent agenda? Second. So it's been moved and seconded. Are there any questions,

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- discussion, comments? Seeing none, we call the roll, please. John Weichard? Yes. Doug Bruce? Yes.

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- Yes. Joyce Polling, Jim Silberstein, Adam Teese, Jay Baer. Item number three, Mr. McKim's last opportunity

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- to give us a treasurer's report. Yeah, there's no more money. It's all gone. Sorry. No, just that our

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- controller has submitted a request to the city controller for the first six months of

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- funding for 2026. So hopefully that will get processed at the very beginning of January for disbursement.

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- And then I just wanted to say this is my last meeting and it has been an honor and a pleasure working

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- with all of you on this project. And I greatly look forward to continuing to support the project in

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- a different role with the city. So thank you all. And thank you. Thank you very much.

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- Item number four, President's Report Review of Approved Change Orders. And I believe that we, Mary,

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- do we have those? Oh, we're getting those ready to go up those on screen. So since our last meeting,

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- we've had change orders under $25,000. There are six of them. So I wanted to share with you that these are the

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- Change orders that I've approved since the last meeting, given the authority that you gave me to approve

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- change orders of under $25,000. The last one is actually a credit. If you have any questions about those

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- change orders or concerns about my judgment, now would be a good time for you to bring those to the

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- public's attention. Seeing none. All right. Moving on to requests for approval of change orders over

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- $25,000. Mary, are you handling that?

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- Yes, I am. Okay. So this is one for $50,195. It's for the operable partitions and elevator revisions.

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- This had to do with the fact that during bid time, we were able to select a contractor, low bidder that

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- did not use the operable walls that were the basis of specification. So

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- We were able to save money at that time, but we did have to make some alterations to the project, to

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- the pockets for the doors, and we had to do a shift in the elevator to accomplish the savings that we

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- were able to receive at bid time. So this is the result of that. Any questions from members of the board

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- about this particular change order?

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- Yes, just I do remember you put this in your written report. What is the total net savings on that change?

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- Yeah, I thought this was the slide that had that dollar amount. It does not, but I can get that figure

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- for you. It's in the neighborhood of, I think, one hundred and fifty four thousand dollars and overall

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- savings. It's.

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- It's hard to look at this number and be happy about that. But I believe we were in the neighborhood

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- of a $200,000 difference between bidders by using this. So we did have a significant net savings on

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- this. Thank you. Let's see if we have a motion to approve the change order and then we can have discussion

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- if there is any. Is there a motion to approve the change order?

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- Okay, so moved and seconded. Are there any questions for Mary or any discussion? Seeing none, Mr. Whitlach?

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- John Weichardt? Yes. Doug Bruce? Yes. Jeff McKim? Yes. Joyce Pauling? Jim Silberstein? Yes. Adam Teeth?

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- Yes. Jay Baer? Jay Baer. Thank you. Mary, did you want to talk now about the log? Yes.

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- This is an overall accounting of the change order contingency authorizations since the last meeting.

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- So you can see that there was a total through CA 11 through CA 17 of 73,390. Our overall contingency

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- used to date is 388,748. Out of our original contingency,

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- of 2.4 million, and we still have a remaining contingency just over 2 million. To date, that's about

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- 16% of our overall contingency use. So this is just an accounting of all the approvals you have given

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- to date now. Are there any questions about the change order summary? Yes, Mr. Baer. In exact science,

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- but maybe for Adam or Mary, how do you feel about 16% of this duration

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- project versus what is a city site. I would agree. Okay, thank you. Any other questions or comments?

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- Thank you. Before we move to item six, I failed to recognize we have some guests with us today. Mayor

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- Thompson's with us. Randy Cassidy and John West, both from the Redevelopment Commission. Mike McAfee's here.

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- from Visit Bloomington and others are here as well who I think are going to speak to us through our

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- agenda this morning or this afternoon. Item number six, construction update. Weddle Brothers, Mr. Sherry.

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- Thank you. Yes, Mr. Sherry, project manager of Weddle Brothers. So a few things to talk about.

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- over there. The biggest one is going to be the structural steel update, moved into the anchor preparation,

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- and then coming out in January, February. For the construction progress, so this is a slide that I shared

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- last month. Structural steel has progressed across the north side of the silo and third street, and

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- now we're actually turning on college. So

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- We're working our way to the connector. Steel is starting to be placed headed south on College, and

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- then interior prep is taking place. So basically everywhere we see here around the perimeter of the

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- south, west side, we're prepping to receive our long-span dresses. That is what's going to have basically

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- span the exhibit hall with the roofing system on. The other thing that I'll talk about later on in these

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- slides. This is a photo on your left from where we were last month.

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- that I shared in the slide compared to on the right. A lot of skills went up, a lot of detailing has

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- taken place, decking, foundation, anchor bolts, all the same things that we've talked about, but this

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- just shows the magnitude of work that's went in place, especially with the weather that we've had. I

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- don't know if anybody's seen these guys walking beams at 30, 40 feet in the air whenever it was 16 degrees

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- outside, but I watched from the office.

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- But yeah, it's great progress. Here's a picture that I took this morning whenever I was prepping for

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- these presentations. So this is the observation deck, where we stand today versus what it's going to

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- look like. So I thought that was a neat comparison to show the group. Connector preparation. So exterior

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- demolition started on the existing convention center side. We tore the piers out, removed the sidewalk.

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- We're prepping for excavations, for foundations. Ground improvement.

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- Drilled peers are upcoming within the next week so that we can work towards excavations and placement

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- of our foundations as we move towards this January 26th erection day. Here's another photo from whenever

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- we first started the job on the left versus what it looks like as a lunchtime today, so quite the change.

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- Upcoming activities, so long-span trusses, this is something we've talked about for a couple months.

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- Long-span trusses start Monday, so December 22nd. We're anticipating to set two of these a day. These

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- weigh 26,000 pounds, 120-something to be long. They'll come in in three sections to be erected on the

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- ground and then placed in the air. So I included a note. What we will see, we're changing our crane

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- out. The crane is actually demobbing tomorrow and then this one is moving in. This is a 300-ton crane.

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- This is over 20,000 pounds per axle. So we're working really hard right now on the site, especially

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- with the breeze, fall, snow, rain, and everything to prep. The site preparation, the safety evaluations,

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- and make sure that whenever we have this swing radius or 120 foot long span truss, that everybody else

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- can still do their job safely. So a lot of work going in place there. Connector activities. So the connector

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- steel placement will start on January 26.

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- In the middle of the night, Sunday night, if anybody wants to join, we'll start placing barricades and

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- barrels and signage and things like that. During this connector activity, whenever college is shut down,

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- we plan on erecting the steel, placing elevated deck, and pouring the slab so that we can include everything

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- that we can in that duration. I do want to point out, you know, we look at this picture and think that

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- we're just going to set this steel. It's been approved. We're fine. We have literally worked with Schmidt,

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- the engineering,

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- team, the design team overall, evaluating every connection point, what can be welded, what could be

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- bolted to enhance our schedule. The end product being whenever you're walking through this as a user

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- here in a year, you don't want to see a bolted connection. So which ones are you going to see? It will

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- be welded. And then the ones you won't see will be bolted so that we can plan accordingly. So just kind

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- of talk about the level of detail that goes into one small piece of the job.

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- Upcoming activities again, maintenance of traffic plans. So phase two and phase three for this project

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- were approved at the Board of Public Works last night. Phase two was referenced as a door closure. This

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- is the longest planned complete closure of College Avenue. I think that as we talked about it last night,

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- there was like emergency services or something small. We plan on 14 working days for this closure. So

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- this will be January 26th through February 12th. Again, plan on doing here is

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- fabricating the connector, placing the decking, detailing everything down, completing welds, and then

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- pouring the deck so that we can open the road back up. Phase three was also approved. This will direct

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- South College to one lane. The reason being we're going to take one more lane of College. That way we

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- can prep for our facade systems. We're going to have lifts and everything like that, but it will also

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- allow us to button up additional demo curves, pavement, things like that, set storm structures.

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- that way that whenever summer rolls around, we can complete our asphalt patches, our curb work, and

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- everything else that ties into the project. So that's the gist of the update. Thank you. Any questions

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- for Mr. Sherry? Yes. Mr. Teese. February is what we're looking at.

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- We're buttoning up the detention system on the south side, then we'll work construction. In the last

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- spot where the crane will sit is on that construction pad to set our back of house field. So that's

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- an idea for you, John, and for the CID. We just held a beam signing ceremony up in Indy yesterday for

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- our new arena we're building on the IU Indy campus. And it was really quite a great event. And that's

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- not something we traditionally have done for many of our buildings. But it was pretty uncool.

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- It could be a really neat way to shape the hands of the people who do the actual work. Traditionally,

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- these have been held by the construction company, because it's a way to celebrate their achievement

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- for reaching the significant milestone of being built out with the structure. It tends to be overtaken

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- by people who aren't actually doing anything. There's a lot of talking, and they reach a point where

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- they aren't. Why are you looking at me? Look around. You have to look right at me. OK.

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- If it's. Very cool. Sign your name. It gets hidden by the poster. That way to have a chance to shake

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- the hands. Just an idea. No, that's an excellent idea. Can we can we make that happen? Let's make sure

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- we make that happen. Yeah, we've actually started that conversation. We're trying to find a small piece

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- of steel because at that time with how old it will be. Maybe we can bring it over here. We've been with

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- delicious name used a very modest. Yes, so it makes that better.

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- And ours are very similar. Yeah, there's a row for the arena. Very similar. Yeah. Yeah, it'd be a cold

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- job walk that day. But yeah, we've talked about doing that. Work with the Polish and the Convention

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- Center team to see maybe we can set something up over here. Hot chocolate sounds good for the guys across

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- the road. Well, and it's a great thing for the external communications team to work on as well and to

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- get information about that out. And another great marketing opportunity. So thank you, Adam, for the

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- suggestion. Yeah, we'll make it happen again. Any?

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- You're welcome to. As much as they'd like for you to operate that crane. We didn't crane it away. We

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- just craned it to the other side of construction site. Thank you. Any other questions for Mr. Ferri,

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- Mr. McKim? Yeah, actually, can you go a couple of slides back to the slide that had the scaffolding

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- on it? Yes.

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- Is that kind of scaffolding eventually going to cover the entire front or is it to be moved or what,

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- why, why is it there? No, that's actually there because that's about a 30 foot cantilever for that beam.

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- So as we erect the building, um, really try to, it's not a total system until everything's placed decking

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- and everything or a structural standpoint. So that is there. It's just a precautionary measure. The

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- scaffolding that we have.

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- whenever we start the facade, like the brick and the masonry work and we'll be hydro models. Um, so

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- it'll look a lot different. Yeah. Any other questions? Yes, Mr. Bear. You mentioned that external

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- communications are aware of the focus that will be placed on this project. Once we close a major arterial

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- for 14 business days,

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- So I'm on that committee, so I'm sort of making a note to myself that we need to get ahead of this as

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- much as possible and work with our partners in Michigan Local Media and other state policy constituencies,

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- because I think we want to make this as less of a surprise to anybody as possible, parents, school bus

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- drivers, and everybody else. Yeah, thank you. Just to note to that point, too, that was a big topic

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- as we coordinated with engineering. So the initial list that we created, or actually Talisha gave to me,

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- We've worked through the people between 3rd and 2nd Street, adjacent property owners, but also with

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- engineering, that was a big requirement for them, is making sure that we work with different marketing

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- teams and things to notify everybody involved. So I think that a lot of that will come out and agree

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- that with the external communication committee that can help with that. Thank you. And John, could I

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- speak to that just a second? We've anticipated that, and with that getting communication out right before

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- the holidays, probably we

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- not really get paid attention to. So we're looking to do that right after the first of the year. Great.

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- Anything else? I just wanted to mention for those of you who don't know, Mr. Sherry is a Purdue University

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- grad, and he told me he'd been authorized on behalf of the Purdue football team to announce that in

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- solidarity with the Notre Dame team, they will not accept any bowl bids this year. So thank you, Mr. Sherry.

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- Item number seven, wayfinding update. Schmidt, you may recall that we awarded the contract for our wayfinding

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- to Schmidt Associates. So we have an update for Mr. Layton. So we officially kick off the efforts for

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- this month. So it would be a good time to share what we have done for that and what our next steps are.

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- So I'm going to walk through some of the things we share with that group. We'll have a discussion that

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- came out of that. So starting off with the idea of the goals. We're going to start with goals for the

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- project. A wayfinding project that has many similar goals to the building itself, but just to get simple

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- works, we want to make sure we're thinking about that. The RFP itself, the design work, listed a few

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- goals which we captured.

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- Things like that, the way finding the graphics should be simple and not too complex. It should be memorable,

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- authentic, and unique. And in general medium, we have talked about the fact that it needs to be durable

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- and flexible, needs to be around for a while, and really be adjustable to the needs of the conventions

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- that are in different events, consistent with new brands, and as much as possible build this technology,

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- and also make sure that it can accept new technology because it's always changing, right?

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- We'll talk about the schedule for this part of the project. We're working in two big phases, kind of

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- a concept design, then implementation drawings. The concept design works where we are now. We will be

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- coming to the CIB in the February meeting for formal approval of that. And then in the implementation

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- drawing, the construction drawings for the graphics refining would be in May of this year to get that

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- out there.

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- and get all that procured and installed in the fall before the building opens. So when we look at where

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- we started, obviously you guys did a lot of work on the planting package, which is going to be out in

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- the community, and it's a big part of how people experience the Convention Center. So we want to make

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- sure that our graphics and wayfinding are consistent with that.

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- We're definitely deploying from the logos, from the colors, the fonts. All that work that was done through

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- the branding of us, the graphics as well, so that's a reference point for us. And then when we start

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- thinking about how we're going to implement this, really it breaks into four big categories, and each

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- of those categories has subcategories of different types of signs. So things like interior way findings

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- so guests know how to get to a different room.

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- where we're going for craft rooms, in terms of that, which is apparently the most, especially in this

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- area, that is very important. Interior branding, so that's some of the more graphic elements that are

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- around the space, things that highlight the uniqueness of the room itself. We're looking at the exterior

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- signage. Obviously, we know there's, in the building design, they've made combinations for an exterior

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- sign that will take the time to design those parts of the package.

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- and then replacing the monuments on Allen College in some way. And then exterior way of finding, which

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- would be very critical for this project, being that there's two buildings separated by streets. People

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- don't even know where they're going, where to park, where to park, how to get in, that sort of thing.

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- Here's a look at all those. While we're developing the concepts for all these different types, we're

00:21:37.297 --> 00:21:42.943
- also going to be looking at where they go. So this is a very early look at placement designs and kind

00:21:42.943 --> 00:21:44.382
- of taking a parallel path

00:21:44.738 --> 00:21:49.803
- this with the committee on their next meeting. We'll start to look at in more detail where the different

00:21:49.803 --> 00:21:54.675
- sign types go. I'm not going to get into much detail today, just that that's something that costs as

00:21:54.675 --> 00:21:59.643
- well. I'll go forward, obviously, and then I'm going to build it. So, you know, what I've talked a lot

00:21:59.643 --> 00:22:04.515
- about is the signage here. While we're not necessarily changing the ruins and the lanes and layouts,

00:22:04.515 --> 00:22:09.532
- things like that, we need to make sure that if someone is blocking across the British from one building

00:22:09.532 --> 00:22:13.246
- to the other, they're not going to go into another dimension. Be consistent.

00:22:13.442 --> 00:22:19.153
- So they relate to similar scenarios. So we talked about that, and then we completely overwhelmed the

00:22:19.153 --> 00:22:24.807
- group by sharing various options. We didn't even get to do that, and there's so many different ways

00:22:24.807 --> 00:22:30.574
- of science-sharing. Don, make sure you tell me, don't bring more than three options next time. But we

00:22:30.574 --> 00:22:36.454
- had a good discussion about things we didn't like and things we did like. And so that's a good starting

00:22:36.454 --> 00:22:42.334
- point. And also, the negative reactions are more powerful and useful to us than the positive reactions.

00:22:43.202 --> 00:22:49.042
- emotional response to things, and we go, okay, we're not going to do that. So this is just a few slides

00:22:49.042 --> 00:22:54.658
- to show some of the preferences and things that we're taking as we move forward. So in terms of the

00:22:54.658 --> 00:23:00.386
- interior wayfinding, really simplicity with what we heard, things that aren't too busy, when it comes

00:23:00.386 --> 00:23:04.766
- to the signs themselves and making them visible from far away, so things like

00:23:05.410 --> 00:23:10.564
- signs that protrude from the wall, like these guys do, are helpful, so you're more visible, like before

00:23:10.564 --> 00:23:15.767
- they're like, across from our floor plan. We have some pretty long pre-function spaces. And so if you're

00:23:15.767 --> 00:23:20.822
- a one-ended building, you need to know how to get to the other end, or where those things are. Again,

00:23:20.822 --> 00:23:25.876
- that's a very common question. Being able to see that from far away is helpful. We can talk about the

00:23:25.876 --> 00:23:30.981
- technology. We know we have digital roof signage outside of each of the exhibit hall rooms. But so how

00:23:30.981 --> 00:23:34.846
- is that implemented and incorporated in this, you know, broad design as well?

00:23:35.138 --> 00:23:42.235
- Again, simplicity, not making it too complicated or anything. And that was really a very strong message

00:23:42.235 --> 00:23:49.264
- we heard throughout the entire meeting. And it all suggests really be a distilled information into any

00:23:49.264 --> 00:23:56.088
- form possible for people walking by who don't have much time to get to where they're going. You can

00:23:56.088 --> 00:24:03.390
- understand where they're going and where it will lead to be. Simple signs, simple graphics, clean letters,

00:24:05.410 --> 00:24:11.151
- We look at interior branding. I've xed out this whole time, because apparently we missed the mark entirely

00:24:11.151 --> 00:24:16.732
- on our pricing images for the historical messaging. So that's something that we talked about. We talked

00:24:16.732 --> 00:24:22.473
- a lot about how it doesn't necessarily need to be a big thing, but we do want to pay homage to the history

00:24:22.473 --> 00:24:27.947
- of the site and to this building. So we're going to work to explore what that means and what it looks

00:24:27.947 --> 00:24:33.313
- like, and then where that is. So it's not something that maybe could be in the way of features like

00:24:33.313 --> 00:24:34.654
- TV. Then outside, again,

00:24:35.394 --> 00:24:41.764
- It seems to be simple. We know that we will get signage around town, and if you're driving by, you don't

00:24:41.764 --> 00:24:47.891
- want to keep distracting, but if you're driving down college, for example, coming to this light, you

00:24:47.891 --> 00:24:54.200
- need to know where you're going, and then we'll quickly see where your parking is, and that's what it's

00:24:54.200 --> 00:25:00.449
- like. And it's the same thing for exterior lighting, once you're here, to talk a lot about. Maybe even

00:25:00.449 --> 00:25:01.662
- in the parking lot,

00:25:01.922 --> 00:25:08.789
- They're promoting different areas that are for the hotel, those that are by color, are giving directions

00:25:08.789 --> 00:25:15.591
- to visitors, should say apartment or whatever. Fresh center and then they're signed. So right now we're

00:25:15.591 --> 00:25:22.327
- going to go over concept development. So we have a meeting set up over the course of the year with the

00:25:22.327 --> 00:25:29.064
- committee where we will have three options that take those present images and count them into examples

00:25:29.064 --> 00:25:30.110
- of the science.

00:25:30.722 --> 00:25:38.392
- Our mission is there on the 14th of January. We'll get feedback from that group. And then our goal is

00:25:38.392 --> 00:25:45.986
- kind of a design concept, including a temporary CIB meeting, which we'll move into station drawings,

00:25:45.986 --> 00:25:53.506
- where it will be, that's where we'll take every location of sign, say what type of sign it is, what

00:25:53.506 --> 00:25:57.566
- it's made of, get ready for it. I'll pause questions.

00:26:00.706 --> 00:26:07.906
- Any questions? I might just mention on the branding. You mentioned all of our involvement. Credit goes

00:26:07.906 --> 00:26:15.316
- to Visit Bloomington on the branding campaign. And we certainly were presented with the branding campaign

00:26:15.316 --> 00:26:22.376
- and thought it was a great job by Visit Bloomington. So just that clarification. Any questions about

00:26:22.376 --> 00:26:26.430
- wayfinding? I would like to mention, Eddie brought it up,

00:26:27.394 --> 00:26:32.767
- As we went through the process of naming the convention center and we settled on the name Bloomington

00:26:32.767 --> 00:26:38.193
- Convention Center, and that may sound like a pretty easy no-brainer, what's the name of the convention

00:26:38.193 --> 00:26:43.461
- center, but there was great sensitivity to our relationship with the county and the county's legacy

00:26:43.461 --> 00:26:48.834
- with this particular building and its stewardship of it. And then we assured the county that we would

00:26:48.834 --> 00:26:52.574
- appropriately recognize that legacy and that heritage through signage.

00:26:52.994 --> 00:27:00.712
- in the both expansion in this building. So I just wanted to mention that, that that'll also be part

00:27:00.712 --> 00:27:08.893
- of what I've asked the wayfinding group to look at. Anything else for Eddie? Okay, thank you. Item number

00:27:08.893 --> 00:27:16.689
- eight, request for approval for issuing RFI for FF&E in the alphabet soup of procurement consulting.

00:27:16.689 --> 00:27:22.014
- Yeah, you had that with some CAs and VCC. That's really interesting.

00:27:22.146 --> 00:27:29.326
- We are working with the FF&E committee, which happens to also be the same group of people working on

00:27:29.326 --> 00:27:36.436
- the wayfinding since they are both aesthetic issues and dealing with... I'm sorry, Mary. Furniture,

00:27:36.436 --> 00:27:43.616
- fixtures, and equipment. FF&E. Furniture, fixtures, and equipment, yes. Thank you. So that committee

00:27:43.616 --> 00:27:50.868
- met along with the wayfinding effort earlier this month, and we reviewed our process that we would be

00:27:50.868 --> 00:27:51.934
- going through.

00:27:52.130 --> 00:28:00.192
- asking for approval to issue an RFI request for information for a procurement consultant for the furniture

00:28:00.192 --> 00:28:08.102
- fixtures and equipment. And this is everything from forks to forklifts. So there's a number of different

00:28:08.102 --> 00:28:15.637
- categories and there would be a number of different processes to procure that information depending

00:28:15.637 --> 00:28:21.438
- on the size of packages. But we would like to issue an RFI with a receipt of

00:28:21.634 --> 00:28:29.449
- January 9th and potential interviews of candidates on the 14th of January in order to come back to the

00:28:29.449 --> 00:28:37.491
- CIB at your January board meeting to make a recommendation for that consultant. So we're seeking approval

00:28:37.491 --> 00:28:45.458
- to issue the RFI for the procurement consultant. So is there a motion to approve that request? So moved.

00:28:45.458 --> 00:28:50.238
- Second. Okay, so it's been moved and seconded. Any discussion?

00:28:51.010 --> 00:28:58.870
- Did we talk about a budget for this consultant in that meeting? We don't have a specific. I think the

00:28:58.870 --> 00:29:07.039
- services could vary widely depending on the consultant that we get, but it would be within the $3 million

00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:15.284
- category that we have budgeted so far for all the FF&E. It comes out of that budget. So it's not a request

00:29:15.284 --> 00:29:20.062
- for additional funds. Right. And that's the request for 2026.

00:29:21.026 --> 00:29:27.971
- Any other questions? Yes, Mr. Behr. Is there an existing procurement consultant being needed for this

00:29:27.971 --> 00:29:34.985
- building or for other documents related to the convention center impact? I don't believe so. There are

00:29:34.985 --> 00:29:41.998
- only a handful of them in the region to begin with. We are looking to see if there are consultants out

00:29:41.998 --> 00:29:48.126
- there with the convention center experience so that we can capitalize on their expertise.

00:29:50.914 --> 00:29:59.619
- Any other questions? All right, so we have a motion and a second for approval. Mr. Whitlatch. John Wyckart.

00:29:59.619 --> 00:30:08.002
- Yes. Doug Bruce. Yes. Jeff McCann. Yes. Joyce Pulling. Jim Silverstein. Yes. Adam Tease. Yes. Jay Baer.

00:30:08.002 --> 00:30:16.466
- Jay Baer. Yes. Thank you. Item number nine is requests for approval of amendment to the JS held contract

00:30:16.466 --> 00:30:18.078
- for 2026, and I see

00:30:18.242 --> 00:30:25.507
- I see it says it's presented by JSL, but I wonder if it might be better for Mr. Underwood to present

00:30:25.507 --> 00:30:33.132
- the request since it's for JSL. Sure. Yes. So this contract has been on an annual basis since we started.

00:30:33.132 --> 00:30:40.254
- This will be the fourth amendment to this contract. So it'll cover all services for the year 2026.

00:30:40.482 --> 00:30:46.888
- in the amount of $250,000, which will be added to the total. The new revised total of the contract will

00:30:46.888 --> 00:30:53.356
- be $813,900, and this is all within what was actually included in the budget as well. So it's consistent

00:30:53.356 --> 00:30:59.886
- with the budget that was approved by the CIB and the City Council as well. Happy to answer any questions.

00:30:59.886 --> 00:31:06.354
- Let me see if there's a motion first to approve the amendment, and then we can have discussion. Is there

00:31:06.354 --> 00:31:08.510
- a motion to approve the amendment?

00:31:09.474 --> 00:31:16.762
- Okay, so it's been moved and seconded. Now, is there any discussion or questions about the amendment?

00:31:16.762 --> 00:31:24.192
- Seeing none, Mr. Whitlatch. John Weichart. Yes. Doug Bruce. Yes. Jeff McCann. Yes. Joyce Polling. Yeah.

00:31:24.192 --> 00:31:31.551
- Jim Silverstein. Yes. Adam Teese. Yes. Jay Baer. Yeah. Thank you. Item 10, request for approval of our

00:31:31.551 --> 00:31:38.910
- 2026 CIB meeting schedule. And I think we have, Mary, do we have something we're going to put up here?

00:31:39.714 --> 00:31:47.134
- Cindy has a slide to pull up. So this would be the schedule of our meetings for 2026. It would keep

00:31:47.134 --> 00:31:54.553
- to our third Wednesday of each month schedule with the exception of March. So we have a March 25th,

00:31:54.553 --> 00:32:02.047
- which is the fourth Wednesday date. As we all know, the third Wednesday is spring break. And when we

00:32:02.047 --> 00:32:09.022
- have spring break in Bloomington, the earth no longer moves on its axis and everything stops.

00:32:09.186 --> 00:32:14.637
- So rather than meet then, we will meet instead the fourth Wednesday on March 25th. We could choose the

00:32:14.637 --> 00:32:20.087
- second Wednesday, but I put the fourth Wednesday up as an option because that's what we did last year.

00:32:20.087 --> 00:32:25.432
- So are there any any questions about the calendar? So I don't know that we need a formal motion with

00:32:25.432 --> 00:32:31.147
- your with your consent. That will be the calendar and we will announce that. And that's the third Wednesday

00:32:31.147 --> 00:32:35.486
- of each month, with the exception of March, when it will be the fourth Wednesday.

00:32:36.866 --> 00:32:44.699
- Our Arts Project update, our BEAT Advisory Group, and I see Galen Cassidy and Holly Warren are both

00:32:44.699 --> 00:32:52.690
- here. So you can go ahead and grab the microphones and let us know what's happening. All right. Thank

00:32:52.690 --> 00:33:00.601
- you for having us here. So a quick update. As you know, we had 180 applicants for the project, which

00:33:00.601 --> 00:33:06.398
- is really amazing. There are a lot of talented people that I'll let Holly

00:33:06.530 --> 00:33:13.491
- expand on a little bit. But our recommendation committee had a tough task of narrowing that down through

00:33:13.491 --> 00:33:20.254
- a rubric that we looked at past experiences they've had, the craftsmanship within their art, and also

00:33:20.254 --> 00:33:27.149
- staying within budgets of major projects they've done. So our group, through several meetings, was able

00:33:27.149 --> 00:33:32.254
- to finalize that. And I'll let Holly explain on some of our next steps here.

00:33:33.954 --> 00:33:40.950
- Thanks to everyone. So like you said, we took it from a pool of about one hundred and eighty applicants

00:33:40.950 --> 00:33:45.726
- down to about I'm going to say about ten top contenders for the piece.

00:33:45.826 --> 00:33:51.706
- And this was a very hard job. Everybody was very talented and brought a lot of different skills to the

00:33:51.706 --> 00:33:57.644
- table. So now for those top contenders, we were reaching out to those that we would like to be our five

00:33:57.644 --> 00:34:03.467
- finalists to confirm that they're still interested in putting forward a proposal in the spring and to

00:34:03.467 --> 00:34:09.405
- discuss next steps with them. Once we have those five finalists, we will come back to you just to share

00:34:09.405 --> 00:34:10.718
- more information about

00:34:10.786 --> 00:34:16.890
- who they are, what they've done in the past and our procedure for getting them just more familiar with

00:34:16.890 --> 00:34:23.172
- the project. So they're set up to give us the best proposals that they can. And again, we will be looking

00:34:23.172 --> 00:34:29.454
- for them to give us those proposals of actual potential art for the Convention Center expansion in spring

00:34:29.454 --> 00:34:35.380
- of 26. So we're really excited about that. And we're happy to answer any questions you have at this

00:34:35.380 --> 00:34:40.062
- point in time. Yes, Mr. Tease. I just wanted to comment. I sat in on the final

00:34:40.578 --> 00:34:46.037
- session that this group that was put together. I want to congratulate both of you. It's so wonderful

00:34:46.037 --> 00:34:51.766
- to see a group of committed people in the community who want to be a part of making thoughtful decisions.

00:34:51.766 --> 00:34:57.388
- And it was really quite impressive to watch good debate happen where civil people figure out civil ways

00:34:57.388 --> 00:35:01.982
- to talk about fun topics. You know, so who knows what it will be like relating that.

00:35:04.546 --> 00:35:10.963
- Yes, and I know it was a lot of work. I mean, I know there were a lot of, it was a huge time commitment

00:35:10.963 --> 00:35:14.974
- and we appreciate that. Galen had asked me prior to the meeting,

00:35:15.554 --> 00:35:21.820
- because we had approved a payment for the finalists who were selected for a $5,000 payment for their

00:35:21.820 --> 00:35:28.024
- submissions, which is a standard in the art industry, if you will. And I, Adam asked, or I'm sorry,

00:35:28.024 --> 00:35:34.787
- Galen asked how we might proceed with that, and I simply suggested that Holly could work with Jeff Underwood

00:35:34.787 --> 00:35:41.053
- in terms of how we handle invoicing payments and all the things we need to do to properly record all

00:35:41.053 --> 00:35:45.520
- of that. But let me add my own comments of thanks for all the hard work

00:35:45.520 --> 00:35:54.944
- work that's been done. And I think we're all excited to see what comes of all this. So thank you. Any

00:35:54.944 --> 00:36:04.276
- other questions or comments? Thank you again. Thank you very much. Item number 12, hotel update. And

00:36:04.276 --> 00:36:12.222
- I know we have both, Jane is here as well as Vince Dorr is here today. As a reminder,

00:36:12.386 --> 00:36:20.179
- In October, we asked both the city team and Mr. Dora to come back to us by today's date and tell us

00:36:20.179 --> 00:36:27.972
- whether an agreement was imminent on the Bunger Robertson property. And so we're eager to hear your

00:36:27.972 --> 00:36:36.155
- report and update on that. And then I'm sure we'll have questions for you. Thank you, Jane. Yeah, thanks

00:36:36.155 --> 00:36:39.038
- for that. Thanks for having us here.

00:36:39.298 --> 00:36:44.289
- Jane Cougarsmith, Director of Economic and Sustainable Development for the City of Bloomington. I'm

00:36:44.289 --> 00:36:49.329
- actually joined with my colleagues online, Anna Killian Hansen, Director of Housing and Neighborhood

00:36:49.329 --> 00:36:54.370
- Development, Executive Director of the Redevelopment Commission, Jessica McClellan, City Controller,

00:36:54.370 --> 00:36:59.460
- Dana Kerr, Assistant City Attorney, and Margie Rice, Corporation Counsel. That's the staff team who's

00:36:59.460 --> 00:37:04.601
- really been working on this project together. And then, of course, we're joined today with two members

00:37:04.601 --> 00:37:08.094
- of the Redevelopment Commission. I thought we had two, Randy Cassidy,

00:37:08.290 --> 00:37:14.431
- Yeah, John's online. John West is online. John West online. So appreciate them being here today as well.

00:37:14.431 --> 00:37:20.456
- They've put in many hours trying to advance this project along and... Sorry, I've prepared a statement

00:37:20.456 --> 00:37:25.953
- just so I remember all the things that they... The RDC has not been able to reach a deal with

00:37:25.953 --> 00:37:32.036
- Dora Hospitality at the Bunger and Robertson property. This past Monday, the RDC expressed their formal

00:37:32.036 --> 00:37:37.534
- support of the site for use of the Host Hotel for the Convention Center via Resolution 25136.

00:37:37.890 --> 00:37:44.665
- But this resolution did not communicate about potential incentives, which leaves the project with a

00:37:44.665 --> 00:37:51.440
- major funding gap. Our current TIF is dedicated to other projects right now, meaning that it is not

00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:58.282
- available subsidy for this project. And further common council has communicated a desire to use only

00:37:58.282 --> 00:38:02.686
- food and beverage tax and income tax in support of this project.

00:38:03.106 --> 00:38:09.319
- given the CIB's request of the city to communicate on behalf of the RDC whether it would be able to

00:38:09.319 --> 00:38:15.781
- close this gap and reach a deal by today. We're here to tell you that unfortunately we have not reached

00:38:15.781 --> 00:38:22.057
- a deal. We're not feeling particularly confident about that right now. We simply can't close the gap

00:38:22.057 --> 00:38:28.643
- of resources that we have available. We do want to communicate to the CIB that we believe in the project,

00:38:28.643 --> 00:38:31.998
- really like the Bunger site for use of the host hotel

00:38:32.738 --> 00:38:38.905
- that we haven't been able to get there. We've really done our best to try to find a way to yes, but

00:38:38.905 --> 00:38:45.195
- we have not been able to do that. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Dora, any of your comments, please? Well,

00:38:45.195 --> 00:38:51.362
- I'll just echo what Jane said. I'm disappointed that it's taking so long, but I'm here to just tell

00:38:51.362 --> 00:38:57.591
- everyone that I remain resolute in my belief that we can get this deal done. I know it's been a long

00:38:57.591 --> 00:39:00.798
- time since we bought the RFP, and to be here today,

00:39:01.058 --> 00:39:06.559
- Uh, but we are still working on it. I know that I'm continuing to have conversations, uh, with multiple

00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:11.902
- people and entities to try to solve this. And so whether it's this site or another site that the CIP

00:39:11.902 --> 00:39:17.192
- controls, I still firmly believe that also tell the commissioner is something that's needed and I'm

00:39:17.192 --> 00:39:22.482
- willing to be able to continue working on that. Um, it's just taking more time. And all of us would

00:39:22.482 --> 00:39:28.089
- like to get that figured out. There's a lot of voices in, uh, Bloomington that need to be heard to figure

00:39:28.089 --> 00:39:30.046
- out what's best use of this project.

00:39:30.402 --> 00:39:40.155
- that site is, and we're trying to thread the needle, so to speak, to get this figured out. Thank you.

00:39:40.155 --> 00:39:49.813
- Let me make comments. As we announced in October, we had asked that at the end of this 60-day period

00:39:49.813 --> 00:39:55.454
- of time, we have some indication that a deal was imminent.

00:39:55.842 --> 00:40:04.150
- And it sounds to me, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but at this point, there does not appear to

00:40:04.150 --> 00:40:12.377
- be a path forward with this particular property deal. What I had also asked Mr. Dora to consider for

00:40:12.377 --> 00:40:20.685
- today is whether or not he has interest or Dora has interest in the properties that we made available

00:40:20.685 --> 00:40:24.350
- in our original RFP, which are to our south,

00:40:24.738 --> 00:40:32.211
- and to our West. So we've had conversations about this, but let me ask you publicly, do you have interest

00:40:32.211 --> 00:40:39.614
- in pursuing or continuing to look at either of those two opportunities as this one seems to be certainly

00:40:39.614 --> 00:40:46.735
- at an impasse that hasn't been able to be closed? Yes. Yes. I did to figuring this out, whether it's

00:40:46.735 --> 00:40:52.446
- one of the other two parcels, one of the Bunker Rock Society, I still think this

00:40:52.738 --> 00:40:58.623
- maybe a way to figure that out, I think, with a little more time. So happy to continue to work on that.

00:40:58.623 --> 00:41:04.451
- I did speak with some of our architecture engineers. Not totally sure if we could have all the answers

00:41:04.451 --> 00:41:10.223
- to those questions on the other sites, but the next meeting in January, given the holidays coming up,

00:41:10.223 --> 00:41:15.938
- so it might ask for a little bit more time, graciously, to get that figured out, but it is something

00:41:15.938 --> 00:41:18.654
- that we're going to start looking at seriously.

00:41:18.850 --> 00:41:27.399
- And I'm going to ask a question. I already know the answer because I've already asked you. As you consider

00:41:27.399 --> 00:41:35.469
- our other locations, and you indicated to me that of the two, your preference was for South. Is that

00:41:35.469 --> 00:41:42.979
- an accurate statement for me to make? I mean, if it's not, that's fine. I don't know yet. OK,

00:41:42.979 --> 00:41:46.814
- that's fine. My question, Mr. Dora, was simply,

00:41:47.042 --> 00:41:56.073
- If we permit this process to continue to go on, whether or not he is agreeable to working with our hotel

00:41:56.073 --> 00:42:00.030
- consultant, who's part of the J.S. Held team,

00:42:00.226 --> 00:42:07.601
- so that we can better understand what these construction costs are, what this gap is, what, if anything,

00:42:07.601 --> 00:42:14.696
- needs to be done to close it, because we've not been privy to these other negotiations. We recognize

00:42:14.696 --> 00:42:18.910
- and we've been told about the gap. We recognize what it is.

00:42:19.170 --> 00:42:25.976
- but we've not been involved in any of the detailed discussions. So I've asked Mr. Dora if he will work

00:42:25.976 --> 00:42:32.583
- with our hotel consultant in a period of time so that we better understand what it is we're talking

00:42:32.583 --> 00:42:39.322
- about about cost and gaps. And so I'll ask you publicly if you're agreeable to doing that. Yes. Okay.

00:42:39.322 --> 00:42:44.542
- What I would propose is that, and I know you said you may not know by January,

00:42:44.802 --> 00:42:52.691
- I want to tell you, we need to know something by January. We need to know if we agree to extend this

00:42:52.691 --> 00:43:00.970
- period of time some more, because it's not between now and January. At that point, it's a 15-month period

00:43:00.970 --> 00:43:08.936
- of time. And so we need some clear evidence of whether or not we're able to make this happen. Our RFP

00:43:08.936 --> 00:43:13.310
- committee, if you will, our hotel evaluation committee,

00:43:13.442 --> 00:43:19.869
- if you don't mind me speaking on its behalf, has had an initial meeting to review our original RFP,

00:43:19.869 --> 00:43:26.424
- as we said we would do when we've had previous conversations about this. And so we've been looking at

00:43:26.424 --> 00:43:32.851
- that original RFP to see what modifications or additions we might be able to make to it. I reported

00:43:32.851 --> 00:43:39.406
- at the last meeting that once we were made aware of the gap, which was in late October, was the first

00:43:39.406 --> 00:43:43.326
- time we were involved in hearing discussions about that gap,

00:43:43.394 --> 00:43:52.539
- that we indicated that we would certainly consider making scope reductions in order to help close that

00:43:52.539 --> 00:44:01.773
- gap. And by your figures, those scope reductions were about $15 million, and we were agreeable to doing

00:44:01.773 --> 00:44:11.806
- that. So we've made movement certainly in that direction. But what I'm asking, and I'm asking the board, is that

00:44:12.962 --> 00:44:20.048
- As we prepare, we've looked at how we might modify the RFP. The holidays are coming up. We will take

00:44:20.048 --> 00:44:27.063
- some time to finalize what that new RFP might look like if we have to put a new RFP out. Even if we

00:44:27.063 --> 00:44:34.079
- put it out at this very instant, I think two things are going to be problematic. One is the holiday

00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:39.902
- schedule. And the second is, from everything I've heard from our hotel consultant,

00:44:40.002 --> 00:44:46.833
- we can't really expect we're going to get a lot of hotel developer response to a new RFP right now because

00:44:46.833 --> 00:44:53.536
- we're still in conversations with Mr. Dora about what his plans might be. And they're not going to spend

00:44:53.536 --> 00:44:59.921
- a lot of time and effort to respond to an RFP until we've determined what our relationship with Mr.

00:44:59.921 --> 00:45:06.560
- Dora is. So what I would propose is, is that we continue along that process to finalize the development

00:45:06.560 --> 00:45:07.454
- of a new RFP.

00:45:07.906 --> 00:45:14.938
- that we are prepared at our January meeting for one of two things. That we want to hear back from Mr.

00:45:14.938 --> 00:45:22.107
- Dora about his review over that same roughly five week period of time about the other options available

00:45:22.107 --> 00:45:29.001
- to him. If the path to the Bunga Robertson property can't be navigated, that he will be prepared to

00:45:29.001 --> 00:45:36.446
- report back to us his interest in our other properties and whether he's prepared to move forward with that.

00:45:36.706 --> 00:45:43.503
- If Mr. Dora's response is he can't make that happen or he's not interested, that's a decision for him

00:45:43.503 --> 00:45:50.233
- to make. But at least we are prepared at that meeting if that's the answer to approve the RFP and to

00:45:50.233 --> 00:45:56.830
- not lose more time and to issue that RFP. So January, we will either hear back from Mr. Dora about

00:45:57.090 --> 00:46:03.503
- where he is having examined those sites or we will, depending on that answer, we're prepared to reissue

00:46:03.503 --> 00:46:09.669
- the RFP. So I don't know that we need a formal motion to do that, but that's what I'm proposing and

00:46:09.669 --> 00:46:16.081
- I would welcome getting back from the board. Yes, Mr. Baer. The other option would just be to say we've

00:46:16.081 --> 00:46:22.432
- concluded this process with door hospitality and if door hospitality chooses to bid on a new RFP based

00:46:22.432 --> 00:46:25.022
- on a new partial blend, then that's fine.

00:46:25.506 --> 00:46:32.508
- they're free to do that. And then everybody can bid because that part of the process has been concluded.

00:46:32.508 --> 00:46:39.577
- What I struggle with is that it seems as though the gap in the funding mechanism for this project exceeds

00:46:39.577 --> 00:46:46.713
- the approximately $7 million worth of plan that may or may not have been possible with about the represent

00:46:46.713 --> 00:46:53.982
- property. So if the gap is larger than seven or frankly, 22, because they sort of came back 15 on the scope.

00:46:54.530 --> 00:47:02.295
- then I don't know what's going to change between now and then. If there are not other incentives available,

00:47:02.295 --> 00:47:09.772
- I don't know what another 30 days or 60 days is going to provide door hospitality for us. So I'm afraid

00:47:09.772 --> 00:47:16.961
- that we continue to drop back and throw the Hail Mary pass, but to no avail. So my consideration is

00:47:16.961 --> 00:47:19.262
- if we're going to reassure RFP,

00:47:20.450 --> 00:47:29.148
- then let's just reissue it and Dora Hospitality can rebid as they have initially, especially if the

00:47:29.148 --> 00:47:38.195
- site may change. I understand your comments. My point would be we probably are not going to be prepared

00:47:38.195 --> 00:47:47.067
- to reissue that RFP until January anyway. And that allows Mr. Dora to see if he can close the gap. We

00:47:47.067 --> 00:47:48.894
- can't close the gap.

00:47:49.154 --> 00:47:56.614
- we don't have any financial incentives to offer. So other than parcels of land that have been made available

00:47:56.614 --> 00:48:03.664
- to us, that's all we have. So again, working with our hotel consultant, if Mr. Dora can see other ways

00:48:03.664 --> 00:48:11.124
- to help close the gap, given the fact that we have some land available, then it provides him the opportunity

00:48:11.124 --> 00:48:17.694
- to do that while we're completing the development of the RFP anyway. So I would hate to suggest

00:48:17.890 --> 00:48:24.475
- he has to drop out and rebid since we're not ready to reissue. So we're just saying, take the five weeks

00:48:24.475 --> 00:48:30.809
- and the same five weeks we need anyway, and then we will know as of date whether to reissue the RFP.

00:48:30.809 --> 00:48:37.269
- I think that's fine, just as long as when we get to that point, we have an official, we are concluding

00:48:37.269 --> 00:48:43.666
- this to avoid the issue that we talked about earlier today. Other potential developers may think that

00:48:43.666 --> 00:48:47.742
- this is not really an option that they can actually pursue. Yes.

00:48:47.874 --> 00:48:55.502
- lie on the sand and say, we're done now, and now we're going to try it again. Yes. Agreed. Any other?

00:48:55.502 --> 00:49:03.205
- Mr. McCamp? Yeah. I guess I just want to understand that not necessarily amount, but the nature of the

00:49:03.205 --> 00:49:10.684
- funding gap. When we're talking about this gap that's so large that it couldn't possibly be closed,

00:49:10.684 --> 00:49:12.254
- are we talking about

00:49:12.418 --> 00:49:20.143
- the cost of the land, the $7 million for the land, and the $15 million in possible scope reductions,

00:49:20.143 --> 00:49:27.944
- and then there's still some enormous gap beyond that? Or are we a lot closer after the elimination of

00:49:27.944 --> 00:49:28.862
- potentially

00:49:29.122 --> 00:49:37.344
- some items of scope, like the bridge and the rooftop bar. I'll allow Mr. Doar an opportunity, but I

00:49:37.344 --> 00:49:45.729
- think as Mr. Baer said, our reduction of $15 million in scope, plus taking a $7 million price tag off

00:49:45.729 --> 00:49:49.758
- property, closes the gap by roughly $22 million.

00:49:50.082 --> 00:49:57.643
- So I guess it would be Mr. Dora to, you know, whatever gap remains will be one that he'll need to work

00:49:57.643 --> 00:50:04.763
- on to see if he can potentially close, but I'll allow you an opportunity to speak to that. Yeah.

00:50:04.763 --> 00:50:12.177
- So obviously, what I'll say from a high level is the RFP and the scope of work that we did on what I

00:50:12.177 --> 00:50:17.022
- don't need to, dictated in an upscale hotel, post connect center,

00:50:17.538 --> 00:50:23.602
- It would help the team over at the visited Bloomington to keep the sale of the condom center. I mean,

00:50:23.602 --> 00:50:29.665
- they need that nice, off-scale post-hotel to steal from the city of Louisville and all the areas that

00:50:29.665 --> 00:50:35.729
- bring business and tourism into the city of Bloomington. And at that level, that's the reason for the

00:50:35.729 --> 00:50:41.793
- gap. We've been working closely with the current of the city, 2% other options that reduce that scope

00:50:41.793 --> 00:50:46.846
- of work and therefore reduce the cost and therefore reduce the incentive package tax

00:50:47.682 --> 00:50:53.751
- It's chicken and egg though, because every time you present a reduction in scope, we also lose the ability

00:50:53.751 --> 00:50:59.650
- to market the hotel of the convention center. Good examples, the rooftop bar, it'd be a very cool thing

00:50:59.650 --> 00:51:05.435
- to have in a dual city to market on that overlooks the new convention center. But to do that, we have

00:51:05.435 --> 00:51:11.334
- to increase the structural load for the hotel. And you know, the engineering team has to make sure that

00:51:11.334 --> 00:51:13.886
- all that weight that goes up there is sound.

00:51:14.338 --> 00:51:19.805
- underground versus surface versus above ground versus offsite parking. And then if it ended from a guest

00:51:19.805 --> 00:51:25.323
- perspective, how do you deal with that? Does someone want to walk in today's or last week's temperatures,

00:51:25.323 --> 00:51:30.633
- you know, three or four blocks to a condensed center or do they have to drive or do they have to park

00:51:30.633 --> 00:51:35.840
- their car? There's a lot of new blocks if they don't want it. So we've been actively working on all

00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:41.150
- these things and it's just a matter of what are we willing to give up to get that reduction in costs.

00:51:41.538 --> 00:51:48.372
- So that's why I said there's a lot of voices in the community that want to have an opinion on this.

00:51:48.372 --> 00:51:55.275
- And I'm trying to work through all that because I want to deliver the hotel that the city needs, but

00:51:55.275 --> 00:52:02.109
- I'm not able, but finding it at a crossroads that would be able to deliver the high expectations of

00:52:02.109 --> 00:52:09.421
- what you guys need. I can easily build a hotel that doesn't require an incentive package, but that doesn't

00:52:09.421 --> 00:52:11.198
- help you guys sell gifts.

00:52:11.746 --> 00:52:22.736
- or grand conventions in. Yeah. And as we've talked about this, and when I indicated that our willingness

00:52:22.736 --> 00:52:29.854
- to consider reductions in scope, those reductions in scope included

00:52:29.954 --> 00:52:35.684
- you know, is a rooftop bar absolutely necessary? Our original RFP talked about underground parking.

00:52:35.684 --> 00:52:41.702
- Well, we never knew whether underground parking was ever going to be a possibility anyway, because there

00:52:41.702 --> 00:52:47.432
- had never been any site development or site review to see if that were even possible. When we first

00:52:47.432 --> 00:52:53.277
- put in a connection between the hotel and the convention center, you know, we were talking about from

00:52:53.277 --> 00:52:56.830
- south or west, which were locations that we had talked about.

00:52:56.994 --> 00:53:05.796
- We never intentionally meant there should be another bridge between a hotel across 3rd Street. In fact,

00:53:05.796 --> 00:53:14.260
- we've not designed our own convention center for such an attachment anyway. So what we presented in

00:53:14.260 --> 00:53:23.486
- the conversation was 200 rooms is necessary. The host hotel is designed specifically to attract conventions.

00:53:23.906 --> 00:53:29.398
- So if in my career I wanted to go to a convention where I were being sold on a convention, you wanted

00:53:29.398 --> 00:53:35.159
- to know what the amenities were in the host hotel. And clearly that's what we need to attract conventions,

00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:40.650
- which is our goal. This hotel is not simply a place for people to stay overnight after an IU football

00:53:40.650 --> 00:53:42.750
- game and then drive home the next day.

00:53:43.202 --> 00:53:49.437
- It's designed to attract 600 people to come to a convention and want to stay here in our downtown in

00:53:49.437 --> 00:53:55.610
- walkable distance to a lot of other outside amenities in a nice place. So we said, look, we believe

00:53:55.610 --> 00:54:01.907
- clearly we need a restaurant, clearly we need a bar. In my experience attending conventions, I wanted

00:54:01.907 --> 00:54:08.574
- the bar as close to the hotel or the elevator as possible for my room, but that's not a requirement either.

00:54:08.930 --> 00:54:15.533
- And a fitness center, medium rooms. There was a 25,000 square foot medium room in the original RFP.

00:54:15.533 --> 00:54:22.137
- I don't know that we need a 25,000 square foot medium room. And one of the proposals that Mr. Doerr

00:54:22.137 --> 00:54:28.740
- proposed was, could we cut it back to 10? The answer is yes. The suggestion, do we need one at all,

00:54:28.740 --> 00:54:35.806
- goes back to, well, what do they need to make money in their hotel? And they may need a medium room space.

00:54:36.130 --> 00:54:43.770
- Those are all the kinds of things that have been subject to review and subject to review in the scope

00:54:43.770 --> 00:54:51.260
- of what we're looking for. I think those things can still happen, but I think from our end, I don't

00:54:51.260 --> 00:54:58.900
- know how we further reduce the scope and still have an attractive host hotel for conventions. I think

00:54:58.900 --> 00:55:02.270
- we've done what we can. I think we can offer

00:55:02.466 --> 00:55:09.257
- parcels to the south and west. That's something else, obviously, that ought to be considered an incentive

00:55:09.257 --> 00:55:15.727
- because it doesn't have price tags on it. But, you know, the hard work will have to come between now

00:55:15.727 --> 00:55:22.518
- and then with Mr. Dora looking at those other locations and seeing if he can make it happen and reporting

00:55:22.518 --> 00:55:29.309
- back to us in January that he thinks he can. Mr. Baer. So a point of clarification. I'm not quite certain

00:55:29.309 --> 00:55:30.462
- what happens now.

00:55:30.818 --> 00:55:36.769
- internally within Dora Hospitality and thinking through the options in the south and west parcel and

00:55:36.769 --> 00:55:42.720
- the engineering ramifications that I'd certainly take. But beyond that, if the city can't use PIT by

00:55:42.720 --> 00:55:48.906
- the early mission, the RDC has chosen to not donate the land and project. We don't have a funding source

00:55:48.906 --> 00:55:54.975
- for the project. We have already reduced the scope to the point that we can reduce it. I'm not certain

00:55:54.975 --> 00:55:59.806
- with whom Dora Hospitality plans to negotiate for the next 30 days or five weeks.

00:56:00.322 --> 00:56:07.856
- Yeah, and I don't know if it's a matter of them negotiating, certainly with us, and as you pointed out,

00:56:07.856 --> 00:56:15.463
- there's nothing we have to negotiate. I think it's a matter of introspection on their part for how might

00:56:15.463 --> 00:56:22.852
- they be able to close this gap, knowing now what the limitations of incentives may be. And I will say

00:56:22.852 --> 00:56:24.446
- that I said in my own

00:56:24.738 --> 00:56:30.883
- I attended three of the RDC meetings. And I want to, before I forget to do it, I want to compliment

00:56:30.883 --> 00:56:37.028
- the city staff and the team that's been involved in all of this. Jane Anik, Gillian Hanson's on the

00:56:37.028 --> 00:56:43.357
- call. Jessica McClellan, Dana Kerr, the attorney, they've, as I've watched in particular over the last

00:56:43.357 --> 00:56:49.501
- six weeks, I've been impressed by the effort that they've put into this and their desire to get, to

00:56:49.501 --> 00:56:54.110
- make this happen. And I want to thank them for that and congratulate them.

00:56:54.210 --> 00:57:01.516
- for that effort. But we have nothing else to give. And I said in the meeting, one of the first meetings

00:57:01.516 --> 00:57:08.823
- with the RDC, why are any of us shocked that a hotel developer would be looking for incentives to build

00:57:08.823 --> 00:57:16.200
- a hotel? Why has that stunned any of us? In many of our communities in the state of Indiana, the opening

00:57:16.200 --> 00:57:23.998
- volley is we have land infrastructure and tax abatement. Will you please come here? And that's not who we are.

00:57:24.130 --> 00:57:31.686
- who Bloomington is. That's just not what we do. But we should not be shocked that developers are conditioned

00:57:31.686 --> 00:57:38.757
- to ask those questions, and it's all part of the negotiation. So again, it's going to be incumbent on

00:57:38.757 --> 00:57:45.897
- Mr. Dora over these next few weeks to figure out if he can close the gap, because there isn't anything

00:57:45.897 --> 00:57:50.750
- we can give. I'd say just after that, especially in the host of that,

00:57:51.330 --> 00:57:57.581
- I mean, there are fundamentally no host hotels built anywhere in the United States without a sentence,

00:57:57.581 --> 00:58:03.772
- because host hotels are hamstrung by having to provide blacked out rooms that lower rates for a group

00:58:03.772 --> 00:58:10.145
- convention. So they can't make the same kind of profit day to day that a non-host hotel would. So again,

00:58:10.145 --> 00:58:16.335
- I agree with you. I'm not sure why this was such a shock to folks. Maybe if we just combined the host

00:58:16.335 --> 00:58:20.766
- hotel to data center, it would be great. And build it in a rural county.

00:58:20.898 --> 00:58:31.368
- Yes, Mr. Bruce. I do have a question. One thing I thought of, Jay or Mr. Bayer. Microphone there. The

00:58:31.368 --> 00:58:41.735
- DORA group would look at the other sites and see in this time also if you could make the numbers and

00:58:41.735 --> 00:58:46.046
- the site work to meet your goals as well.

00:58:46.178 --> 00:58:53.695
- So that's one thing I think that the five weeks is. And then I heard you mention that there's a hotel

00:58:53.695 --> 00:59:01.581
- consultant that Jay has held has available. So I'm assuming in the five weeks, I think the biggest benefit

00:59:01.581 --> 00:59:06.814
- would be Dora and the hotel consultant kind of hashing out some here's

00:59:07.202 --> 00:59:12.693
- what we think you ought to have and making sure that again, that helps get those numbers closer, at

00:59:12.693 --> 00:59:18.513
- least your cost to build as we found out with the convention center as well. I mean, it's not inexpensive

00:59:18.513 --> 00:59:24.279
- to build anything of this scale. So getting your square foot numbers and needs and the hotel consultants

00:59:24.279 --> 00:59:29.935
- kind of blessing on what they see and then coming back. I mean, that would be the best use of the five

00:59:29.935 --> 00:59:35.645
- weeks. So I'm assuming that's what's going to happen. And I'm okay with that knowing that we still have

00:59:35.645 --> 00:59:36.414
- to put the RF

00:59:36.514 --> 00:59:43.775
- RFP together anyway. Yeah. Well, and remember that the consultant who works with JS Held is part of

00:59:43.775 --> 00:59:51.255
- our owner's representative. So is there listening to these conversations as our representative to hear

00:59:51.255 --> 00:59:59.170
- this information, to be able to share with us his expertise and his thoughts on it as well? And I appreciate

00:59:59.170 --> 01:00:03.454
- your willingness to sit down and have those conversations.

01:00:06.466 --> 01:00:13.824
- Is there anything, any other comments, Mr. McCann? Yeah, sorry. And this is just kind of a general comment.

01:00:13.824 --> 01:00:20.705
- And I want to echo your thanks to Jane and Anna and Jessica and the Redevelopment Commission and all

01:00:20.705 --> 01:00:27.518
- the work. Because you've got to work with them. They've really worked hard on this. I do think that

01:00:27.618 --> 01:00:35.121
- As we're talking about all these other locations, I do think that there is a community benefit to having

01:00:35.121 --> 01:00:41.982
- the hotel at the Bungern Robertson property versus the other locations. Is it worth $7 million?

01:00:41.982 --> 01:00:49.199
- I don't know. It's certainly not worth zero. And unfortunately, the idea of trying to extract all $7

01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:51.486
- million purchase price from the

01:00:51.682 --> 01:01:00.553
- for the property would essentially value that community benefit at zero. And I don't think that's accurate.

01:01:00.553 --> 01:01:09.177
- I don't think that's any of us would agree that having the host hotel to tie to the downtown so directly

01:01:09.177 --> 01:01:17.391
- has zero community benefit. Thank you. So unless there are other questions, comments or discussion,

01:01:17.391 --> 01:01:19.198
- we will move forward.

01:01:19.426 --> 01:01:26.002
- towards preparing to issue an RFP at our January meeting, if necessary, while Mr. Dora examines our

01:01:26.002 --> 01:01:32.710
- other properties we made available in the original RFP. And he is willing and able to come back to us

01:01:32.710 --> 01:01:39.286
- then in January and share those thoughts with us. And then in January, we will know where we stand.

01:01:39.286 --> 01:01:45.928
- I think in fairness, I don't know that we're going to go beyond January before we consider and adopt

01:01:45.928 --> 01:01:49.150
- the reissuing of the RFP. So I just want to make

01:01:49.378 --> 01:01:58.138
- that that's an understanding. Thank you very much. And while we're on the hotel update, I want to share

01:01:58.138 --> 01:02:06.729
- these thoughts, and I want to preface them by saying that I've been permitted to share these, they're

01:02:06.729 --> 01:02:15.236
- not thoughts, to share this information. You were all copied on a memo that some members of the city

01:02:15.236 --> 01:02:17.342
- council sent to the RDC.

01:02:17.538 --> 01:02:24.214
- about their feelings on the Bunger Robertson property. And in the memorandum, they ask some questions

01:02:24.214 --> 01:02:31.414
- about whether consideration had been made to other funding sources. So I wanted to share with you information

01:02:31.414 --> 01:02:38.417
- that I've been permitted by the parties to share with you. And that is that when we first became involved,

01:02:38.417 --> 01:02:45.028
- and by we, I mean, Mr. Whitlatch, myself, and Jeff Cockrell, a county attorney, were invited October

01:02:45.028 --> 01:02:46.206
- 24th to a meeting

01:02:46.306 --> 01:02:54.154
- with the city team, which included the city staff, as well as some of the RDC membership, as well as

01:02:54.154 --> 01:03:02.001
- Mr. Dora, where we discussed the gap and where we were. October 31st, we came back together, and Mr.

01:03:02.001 --> 01:03:08.606
- Dora's team presented us the numbers on what those gaps were, and at that point then

01:03:09.250 --> 01:03:15.516
- we suggested we were willing to consider how we could help close that gap by reduction in scope. As

01:03:15.516 --> 01:03:21.907
- part of that October meeting, the discussion was, what other funding sources are there out there? And

01:03:21.907 --> 01:03:28.173
- we were asked, Mr. Cockle and I were asked, and we agreed that we would approach Mike Campbell with

01:03:28.173 --> 01:03:34.628
- the Commission and Visitors Commission, the president of the commission, to inquire whether or not the

01:03:34.628 --> 01:03:36.382
- innkeeper's tax was in fact

01:03:36.706 --> 01:03:42.876
- another opportunity to help close the gap on funding for the hotel. And we met with Mr. Campbell and

01:03:42.876 --> 01:03:48.985
- we had that discussion with him. I indicated in our October 31st meeting with the city and Mr. Dora

01:03:48.985 --> 01:03:55.643
- that in full transparency, they needed to know I was going to ask him for money too, that we have alternates

01:03:55.643 --> 01:04:01.936
- on our current convention center that cost us about $2.2 million. And we were trying to figure out how

01:04:01.936 --> 01:04:04.318
- we were able to fund those alternates.

01:04:04.610 --> 01:04:11.649
- and that I was going to be approaching the CVC as well to see if they could assist us with closing our

01:04:11.649 --> 01:04:18.483
- own $2.2 million gap. So in our presentation to Mr. Campbell, I said, up front, I'm here to inquire

01:04:18.483 --> 01:04:25.522
- about innkeeper's tax, if it can help with this funding gap, but also to make clear to you that I have

01:04:25.522 --> 01:04:32.766
- my own ask of $2.2 million. So don't give everything away because I'm right here asking for $2.2 million.

01:04:33.026 --> 01:04:40.926
- Mr. Campbell's response when we talked about it was that first he considered the request to fund alternates

01:04:40.926 --> 01:04:48.240
- to be an appropriate use of the innkeeper's tax, because by statute, the innkeeper's tax exists to,

01:04:48.240 --> 01:04:55.554
- among other things, fund the maintenance and operations of the convention center, and that he found

01:04:55.554 --> 01:05:02.942
- that to be an appropriate request. What he told us was that in looking at his own funding abilities,

01:05:03.362 --> 01:05:11.063
- that the innkeeper's tax, as controlled by the CVC, was dedicated to the operation and maintenance of

01:05:11.063 --> 01:05:18.765
- the convention center. It was dedicated to the operation and maintenance of Visit Bloomington. And it

01:05:18.765 --> 01:05:27.070
- was dedicated to promoting and marketing tourism in the community. And those were its statutory requirements.

01:05:27.586 --> 01:05:34.564
- that his own review of his own budget, given the fact that we had our own ask, that he had

01:05:34.564 --> 01:05:42.233
- his own responsibilities, statutory responsibilities for those funding, that he did not believe the

01:05:42.233 --> 01:05:50.208
- CVC had the capacity to be involved in also funding to help close the gap on the hotel. So the question

01:05:50.208 --> 01:05:56.190
- was asked and answered, and I brought that information back to the city team.

01:05:56.290 --> 01:06:02.419
- and shared that with them. So in terms of the council asking that question in their own memorandum,

01:06:02.419 --> 01:06:08.547
- I simply want to report and make a public statement that it's been asked and it's been answered. So

01:06:08.547 --> 01:06:14.799
- they thought of it, we thought of it already. We'd already made that approach, we'd already made that

01:06:14.799 --> 01:06:21.418
- inquiry, we'd already gotten an answer. So I just wanted to make that as a public report on that particular

01:06:21.418 --> 01:06:26.014
- part of what was suggested. Okay, I think that concludes the hotel update.

01:06:26.274 --> 01:06:33.735
- Any old business to be brought before the board? Any new business to be brought before the board? Yes,

01:06:33.735 --> 01:06:41.051
- Mr. Baer. Just one, I think some of us need to be appointed or kicked out. Yeah, I was gonna mention

01:06:41.051 --> 01:06:47.643
- that. Yeah, I was gonna mention that. Four of us, the two mayoral appointments and the two

01:06:47.643 --> 01:06:54.814
- county commissioner appointments both expire and new appointments need to be made by January 15th.

01:06:55.170 --> 01:07:01.510
- for two-year terms both by the mayor and by the county commissioners. Those appointments are bipartisan.

01:07:01.510 --> 01:07:07.790
- So one of each of us has to be a Democrat and the other one has to be the other guys. So they will deal

01:07:07.790 --> 01:07:13.949
- with that as both the mayoral appointment and the county commissioner's appointment. And they've been

01:07:13.949 --> 01:07:20.470
- made aware and reminded we need those appointments by January 15th. If they're not made, we simply continue

01:07:20.470 --> 01:07:23.550
- to serve until such time as appointments are made.

01:07:23.714 --> 01:07:30.600
- The other issue for appointment would be Mr. McKim, the second year of Mr. McKim's two-year term. And

01:07:30.600 --> 01:07:37.487
- I've been in communication with Jennifer Crosley, the president of the county council, to say that we

01:07:37.487 --> 01:07:44.508
- need a new appointment. And the reality is that if I'm correct, Mr. McKim's new position starts January

01:07:44.508 --> 01:07:47.006
- 12th. Correct. So he's not eligible.

01:07:47.490 --> 01:07:54.494
- for our January meeting. So we meet January 21st and by statute, you can't be an employee of the city

01:07:54.494 --> 01:08:01.498
- or county government and serve on the board. So Mr. McKim's period of time will end January 12th once

01:08:01.498 --> 01:08:08.158
- he takes his appointment to the city. So the county council will need to make a new appointment.

01:08:08.610 --> 01:08:15.081
- prior to our January 21st meeting for the second year of Mr. McKim's term, if they do not act by then,

01:08:15.081 --> 01:08:21.614
- then there will be a vacancy in that appointment until such time as they act on it. So is that, I think

01:08:21.614 --> 01:08:28.022
- that answers the question. Yeah, is the assumption that it's that Mr. McKim's replacement also serves

01:08:28.022 --> 01:08:34.367
- as manager or do we still have to make- No, no, no. In fact, our January meeting is a reorganization

01:08:34.367 --> 01:08:37.822
- meeting where we elect officers and no, so there's no,

01:08:37.922 --> 01:08:45.681
- There's no such assumption. We would never be able to recruit a new member if we told them they had

01:08:45.681 --> 01:08:53.518
- to be treasurers. So, you know, we'll see what happens. Anything else on that, Mr. Baer? I only do a

01:08:53.518 --> 01:09:01.433
- cap and a peso, so don't even bring it up. Okay. All right. I'm going to allow Mr. Bruce to make some

01:09:01.433 --> 01:09:06.942
- comments by way of an introduction before I make any closing comments.

01:09:08.226 --> 01:09:15.189
- Yeah, thank you. So I want to say a couple of things. One, I did want to say thank you to, wanted to

01:09:15.189 --> 01:09:22.289
- say thank you to Mr. McKim. He's already so lighted up. I just didn't even. I have greatly valued your

01:09:22.289 --> 01:09:29.252
- expertise and your financial background and look forward to seeing you serve the city as well as you

01:09:29.252 --> 01:09:36.766
- have served us here. So thank you for that. I did want to make an introduction and this is, I would say all,

01:09:37.762 --> 01:09:45.771
- that our esteemed president has had lasting more than one hour. My youngest son is home from college

01:09:45.771 --> 01:09:53.860
- for Christmas break, and he is looking to, when he gets his undergraduate in another year, hopefully,

01:09:53.860 --> 01:10:01.790
- not five, that he will pursue a master's in architecture and join me and kind of continue our firm.

01:10:01.890 --> 01:10:09.104
- And so my youngest, Grady Bruce, is home from the University of Mississippi, and I wanted him to stand

01:10:09.104 --> 01:10:16.108
- up and just wave at everybody. So his first real public meeting. Yeah, I want to mention that Grady

01:10:16.108 --> 01:10:23.112
- is a student at Ole Miss, where 10 and 2 is an acceptable football record, but it wouldn't be here.

01:10:23.112 --> 01:10:30.185
- And I also wanted to mention that maybe after the meeting, we can have this conversation. I'm trying

01:10:30.185 --> 01:10:31.166
- to figure out

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- why a lateral move from one SEC school to another is considered promotional, especially in a second

01:10:39.804 --> 01:10:48.265
- tier conference like the SEC is to the Big Ten. Yeah, we still have comments from the public, so I probably

01:10:48.265 --> 01:10:56.491
- ought to be careful about exactly what I say. And I also wanted to mention that I wanted to congratulate

01:10:56.491 --> 01:11:01.662
- Grady, because I understand that someday this suit will be yours.

01:11:01.858 --> 01:11:08.680
- All right. Let me, unless there are comments from others, I thought I'd just take a minute to reflect

01:11:08.680 --> 01:11:15.570
- at the end of this year on the year 2025. And I'm sure I'm going to leave some things out. In January,

01:11:15.570 --> 01:11:22.325
- we welcomed Mr. McKim as our new member. And I want to add my thanks and appreciation for all of his

01:11:22.325 --> 01:11:29.014
- hard work over this past year serving not only as our treasurer, but as a member of our board whose

01:11:29.014 --> 01:11:30.686
- opinion I highly valued.

01:11:31.106 --> 01:11:38.601
- In February, we finished the final design and budget on our new convention center expansion. On March,

01:11:38.601 --> 01:11:46.024
- it was bonded. In June, we had a groundbreaking for the new convention center. Since that time, we've

01:11:46.024 --> 01:11:53.592
- moved from a design focus to a construction focus, if you will. And you can visibly see all the results

01:11:53.592 --> 01:11:58.686
- of that work that's happened in 2025 when you look across the street.

01:11:59.906 --> 01:12:07.170
- And I wanna conclude by again, thanking Mr. McKim and congratulating him and offering my best wishes.

01:12:07.170 --> 01:12:14.363
- And I wanna thank Jessica McClellan, who's leaving a city controller because she's been so extremely

01:12:14.363 --> 01:12:20.843
- supportive and helpful through the last couple of years in this process. And I wanna thank

01:12:20.843 --> 01:12:28.606
- her and congratulate her and wish her well on her new journey and the next steps of her new journey as well.

01:12:28.802 --> 01:12:36.435
- And then I would simply want to conclude by offering my best wishes for all of you to have a great holiday

01:12:36.435 --> 01:12:43.569
- and a new year, and obviously we'll be back together in January. So that concludes my comments. Are

01:12:43.569 --> 01:12:50.276
- there other comments from other members of the board? Just thank you for your leadership. Oh,

01:12:50.276 --> 01:12:55.198
- thank you. All right, so next item on the agenda, with the exception

01:12:55.810 --> 01:13:23.934
- of Mr. Bruce's son, Grady, would be comments from the public. Yes, Mr. McAfee. It is. Thank you.

01:13:24.706 --> 01:13:31.234
- You mentioned the wayfinding. I wanted to just say how thrilled I am that you're aligning with the branding.

01:13:31.234 --> 01:13:37.402
- Appreciate that so much. Regarding the branding, John is so gracious. I don't know how many times John

01:13:37.402 --> 01:13:43.570
- and I talk a week, but it's a lot. Couldn't be a better leader of this group. But the branding, I just

01:13:43.570 --> 01:13:49.559
- wanted to, it is not just Visit Bloomington. We collaborated with Talisha and her team on that, and

01:13:49.559 --> 01:13:54.110
- they're an integral part of that. The details, the creativity of her group,

01:13:54.370 --> 01:14:00.783
- unbelievable the job they do of running this organization. When it comes to, we just launched the website

01:14:00.783 --> 01:14:06.893
- today, bloomingtonconvention.com. It's live if you want to check that out. Regarding the hotel, I've

01:14:06.893 --> 01:14:13.246
- talked to you before, listening to Mr. Baer and Mr. Whitehart and the things you say are right on point,

01:14:13.246 --> 01:14:19.417
- you're absolutely right. So I don't need to rehash that. We need that host hotel. I too want to thank

01:14:19.417 --> 01:14:21.534
- the city for all their work on it.

01:14:21.634 --> 01:14:27.138
- Everybody's working positively towards that. We're gonna get it done. We've been working on this and

01:14:27.138 --> 01:14:32.806
- bringing events to this building for 30 years. We're gonna continue to do that. We won't reach the full

01:14:32.806 --> 01:14:38.419
- potential of this expansion until we do have that host hotel, but you should all be very confident and

01:14:38.419 --> 01:14:44.086
- delicious team and my team that we're gonna keep bringing groups here and keep doing our jobs and doing

01:14:44.086 --> 01:14:49.590
- a great job to make this building successful. So I just, again, wanna thank everybody and the public

01:14:49.590 --> 01:14:50.462
- should be very,

01:14:50.626 --> 01:15:00.122
- proud of this group and feel confident with what's happening in the future. Thank you. Thank you. Any

01:15:00.122 --> 01:15:10.083
- other comments from the public? Anything online? Okay. So seeing none. Next item is our next board meeting

01:15:10.083 --> 01:15:16.414
- as we've approved the schedule is Wednesday, January 21st at 3 p.m.

01:15:16.546 --> 01:15:21.915
- Again, happy holidays, happy new year. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here, and we are

01:15:21.915 --> 01:15:22.494
- adjourned.