WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.140 - you. Good morning. I'm going 00:00:06.140 --> 00:00:06.840 - to call to order this meeting 00:00:06.840 --> 00:00:08.440 - in the Monroe County Board of 00:00:08.440 --> 00:00:12.640 - Commissioners. It is Thursday, 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:15.440 - April 17th. And I will note for 00:00:15.440 --> 00:00:17.640 - the record that Commissioner 00:00:17.640 --> 00:00:19.400 - Madeira and myself are here and 00:00:19.400 --> 00:00:21.000 - present in the Natu Hill room 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:24.640 - and Commissioner Jones is 00:00:24.640 --> 00:00:28.440 - joining us via teams. And we 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:30.360 - have a special commitment to 00:00:30.360 --> 00:00:32.360 - welcome and protect the rights 00:00:32.360 --> 00:00:35.360 - of all people, regardless of 00:00:35.360 --> 00:00:38.440 - age, race, color, creed, 00:00:38.440 --> 00:00:40.360 - disability, sexual orientation, 00:00:40.360 --> 00:00:42.640 - gender, gender identity, 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:44.960 - marital status, economic status 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:46.840 - and national origin. And we 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:48.160 - affirm the right of every 00:00:48.160 --> 00:00:49.360 - person to live peacefully 00:00:49.360 --> 00:00:51.960 - without fear, and we will fight 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:53.360 - and resist at every step 00:00:53.360 --> 00:00:54.960 - discrimination and harmful 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:56.960 - policies, whatever their source. 00:00:56.960 --> 00:00:58.960 - We also stand in support of our 00:00:58.960 --> 00:01:00.960 - county public school systems, 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:05.960 - both RB B and MCC SC. And with 00:01:05.960 --> 00:01:08.960 - that we will begin our 00:01:08.960 --> 00:01:12.960 - department updates. Is Kelly is 00:01:12.960 --> 00:01:16.960 - joining us. Good morning. Good 00:01:16.960 --> 00:01:18.960 - morning, commissioners. Just a 00:01:18.960 --> 00:01:21.960 - few updates as of April 15th 00:01:21.960 --> 00:01:23.960 - emergency visits for COVID 00:01:23.960 --> 00:01:27.960 - like illness have continued to 00:01:27.960 --> 00:01:29.960 - decrease and wastewater 00:01:29.960 --> 00:01:31.960 - concentrations are now trending 00:01:31.960 --> 00:01:34.960 - down. Flu activity is still 00:01:34.960 --> 00:01:36.960 - minimal. The health department 00:01:36.960 --> 00:01:38.960 - in collaboration with the 00:01:38.960 --> 00:01:40.960 - Indiana Department of Health is 00:01:40.960 --> 00:01:43.960 - hosting an MMR vaccine clinic. 00:01:43.960 --> 00:01:45.960 - This will be held on April 21st 00:01:45.960 --> 00:01:47.960 - at the Monroe County Public 00:01:47.960 --> 00:01:50.960 - Library, Ellisville branch. This 00:01:50.960 --> 00:01:53.960 - will be from 12 p.m. to 6 p.m. 00:01:53.960 --> 00:01:56.960 - in meeting room B. Our public 00:01:56.960 --> 00:01:57.960 - health clinic has vaccines 00:01:57.960 --> 00:01:59.960 - available for all ages. You can 00:01:59.960 --> 00:02:03.960 - call 812-353-3244 for an 00:02:03.960 --> 00:02:06.960 - appointment. Great. Thank you 00:02:06.960 --> 00:02:09.960 - so much. Comments or questions, 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:11.960 - Commissioner Madura? I have 00:02:11.960 --> 00:02:13.960 - none other than, you know, now 00:02:13.960 --> 00:02:16.960 - the measles virus is in 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:19.960 - Indiana, and so these measures 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:21.960 - are really critical, and this 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:23.960 - is a virus that can take lives 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:25.960 - very easily, and so vaccines are 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:26.960 - all the more important. Thank 00:02:26.960 --> 00:02:28.960 - you. Thank you. Commissioner 00:02:28.960 --> 00:02:31.960 - Jones? No, I don't. Thank you. 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:33.960 - Thank you. I went to the last 00:02:33.960 --> 00:02:36.960 - MMR clinic, so it was very quick 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:39.960 - and actually painless, so it was 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:41.960 - kind of nice. So I highly 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:42.960 - recommend folks check their 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:46.960 - records and verify. All right, 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:48.960 - any other departments have an 00:02:48.960 --> 00:02:51.960 - update for us? 00:02:51.960 --> 00:03:05.960 - Okay, great. We will now move on 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:08.960 - to public comment. This agenda 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:10.960 - item is reserved for 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:12.960 - conversation and commentary on 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:14.960 - items that do not appear 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:16.960 - elsewhere on our agenda. We ask 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:18.960 - speakers to limit their time to 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:20.960 - three minutes per person. Please 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:22.960 - give your name and county of 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:27.960 - residence when you begin. 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:28.960 - Good morning, commissioners. 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:30.960 - This is Christopher MG. I work 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:31.960 - at the Greater Bloomington 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:32.960 - Chamber of Commerce, but now I'm 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:34.960 - speaking as a Monroe County 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:36.960 - resident. I just want to say I 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:37.960 - just gave blood to the American 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:39.960 - Red Cross donated at City Hall 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:41.960 - today, and it took 30 minutes. 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:43.960 - It was painless, and it really 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:46.960 - is the least you can do. It's 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:47.960 - amazing now that they tell me 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:49.960 - where my blood goes. I got 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:51.960 - recently, I think it was one or 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:54.960 - two times ago, that it was a 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:56.960 - runner who was struck by a car, 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:58.960 - and they were able to save his 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:00.960 - life because of people donating. 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:03.960 - And I got this fun T-shirt today, 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:06.960 - so I just want to say it's so 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:08.960 - easy to do. It's not painful at 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:11.960 - all, so I just encourage all of 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:12.960 - the residents here in Monroe 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:13.960 - County. I know the commissioners 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:15.960 - do a great job of plugging those, 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:17.960 - but there are opportunities 00:04:17.960 --> 00:04:19.960 - everywhere around, so just look 00:04:19.960 --> 00:04:21.960 - at the American Red Cross website 00:04:21.960 --> 00:04:23.960 - for further details. Thank you. 00:04:23.960 --> 00:04:28.960 - Thank you. Important. 00:04:28.960 --> 00:04:30.960 - Anyone else have public comment 00:04:30.960 --> 00:04:33.960 - for items not on our agenda? 00:04:33.960 --> 00:04:35.960 - Make sure, TSD, please ensure the 00:04:35.960 --> 00:04:37.960 - clock is visible on our monitors. 00:04:37.960 --> 00:04:46.960 - Thank you so much. 00:04:46.960 --> 00:04:48.960 - Good morning. Good morning. 00:04:48.960 --> 00:04:50.960 - My name is Janae Trimble, and I 00:04:50.960 --> 00:04:52.960 - reside in Monroe County. 00:04:52.960 --> 00:04:54.960 - I worked in the Monroe County's 00:04:54.960 --> 00:04:56.960 - assessor's office from October 00:04:56.960 --> 00:04:58.960 - 2023 to October 2024 as the 00:04:58.960 --> 00:04:59.960 - assistant property director 00:04:59.960 --> 00:05:00.960 - before putting in my two-week 00:05:00.960 --> 00:05:01.960 - notice and taking another 00:05:01.960 --> 00:05:03.960 - position within the county. 00:05:03.960 --> 00:05:04.960 - During my time there, I witnessed 00:05:04.960 --> 00:05:06.960 - multiple violations of Indiana 00:05:06.960 --> 00:05:07.960 - state code. 00:05:07.960 --> 00:05:08.960 - This is not rumor hearsay, but 00:05:08.960 --> 00:05:09.960 - experiences that I personally 00:05:09.960 --> 00:05:11.960 - witnessed and partook in. 00:05:11.960 --> 00:05:12.960 - I saw the violations, heard the 00:05:12.960 --> 00:05:13.960 - violations, and was instructed 00:05:13.960 --> 00:05:15.960 - to perform them. 00:05:15.960 --> 00:05:16.960 - The practice of sales-chasing 00:05:16.960 --> 00:05:18.960 - and the manipulation of racial 00:05:18.960 --> 00:05:19.960 - studies are causing the housing 00:05:19.960 --> 00:05:20.960 - and rental markets to increase 00:05:20.960 --> 00:05:22.960 - inorganically, and this has been 00:05:22.960 --> 00:05:23.960 - practiced by this office for 00:05:23.960 --> 00:05:24.960 - years. 00:05:24.960 --> 00:05:25.960 - I have hundreds of examples of 00:05:25.960 --> 00:05:27.960 - documentation proving the state 00:05:27.960 --> 00:05:28.960 - code violations, many of which 00:05:28.960 --> 00:05:29.960 - I have already provided to this 00:05:29.960 --> 00:05:31.960 - board of commissioners. 00:05:31.960 --> 00:05:37.960 - 50 IAC 27-4-5, 50 IAC 27-11-2, 00:05:37.960 --> 00:05:43.960 - 50 IAC 3.3-2-2, 50 IAC 15-1-3.5, 00:05:43.960 --> 00:05:45.960 - just to list a few and there are 00:05:45.960 --> 00:05:46.960 - many more. 00:05:46.960 --> 00:05:47.960 - I first blew the whistle and 00:05:47.960 --> 00:05:48.960 - followed the suggested guidelines 00:05:48.960 --> 00:05:50.960 - found on IndianaGov for reporting 00:05:50.960 --> 00:05:52.960 - illegal and unethical practices 00:05:52.960 --> 00:05:53.960 - from elected officials in the 00:05:53.960 --> 00:05:54.960 - proper chain of command. 00:05:54.960 --> 00:05:57.960 - On 3/3/2025, per these 00:05:57.960 --> 00:05:59.960 - guidelines, I reported this 00:05:59.960 --> 00:06:00.960 - activity to my supervisors, the 00:06:00.960 --> 00:06:01.960 - Department of Local Government 00:06:01.960 --> 00:06:03.960 - Finance, and then I reported it 00:06:03.960 --> 00:06:04.960 - to you, the Monroe County Board 00:06:04.960 --> 00:06:06.960 - of Commissioners, and the Monroe 00:06:06.960 --> 00:06:07.960 - County Legal Department. 00:06:07.960 --> 00:06:08.960 - And you have yet to hold a 00:06:08.960 --> 00:06:10.960 - conversation with me concerning 00:06:10.960 --> 00:06:11.960 - this matter. 00:06:11.960 --> 00:06:12.960 - Instead, I experienced 00:06:12.960 --> 00:06:13.960 - retaliation, bullying, and 00:06:13.960 --> 00:06:14.960 - harassment from the assessor, 00:06:14.960 --> 00:06:15.960 - HR, and from the county 00:06:15.960 --> 00:06:17.960 - attorneys, from whom I filed a 00:06:17.960 --> 00:06:18.960 - claim against. 00:06:18.960 --> 00:06:20.960 - False accusations coming from 00:06:20.960 --> 00:06:21.960 - social media that were in fact 00:06:21.960 --> 00:06:22.960 - rumored with no supported 00:06:22.960 --> 00:06:24.960 - documentation were made against 00:06:24.960 --> 00:06:25.960 - me and my employment 00:06:25.960 --> 00:06:26.960 - threatened. 00:06:26.960 --> 00:06:27.960 - Instead of the county 00:06:27.960 --> 00:06:28.960 - investigating or even inquiring 00:06:28.960 --> 00:06:30.960 - about the Frado's reporting, the 00:06:30.960 --> 00:06:31.960 - county opened an investigation 00:06:31.960 --> 00:06:33.960 - against me to try to terminate 00:06:33.960 --> 00:06:34.960 - my employment once again. 00:06:34.960 --> 00:06:35.960 - I've been bullied and harassed 00:06:35.960 --> 00:06:37.960 - by the assessor dating back to 00:06:37.960 --> 00:06:38.960 - October 2024. 00:06:38.960 --> 00:06:40.960 - I choose to publicly stand up 00:06:40.960 --> 00:06:41.960 - for myself, my family, my 00:06:41.960 --> 00:06:42.960 - friends, my neighbors, and for 00:06:42.960 --> 00:06:44.960 - all the residents of my county 00:06:44.960 --> 00:06:46.960 - and ask that you do the same and 00:06:46.960 --> 00:06:47.960 - open an investigation into the 00:06:47.960 --> 00:06:49.960 - reported illegal activity of the 00:06:49.960 --> 00:06:50.960 - assessor's office. 00:06:50.960 --> 00:06:52.960 - In closing, I'd like to quote 00:06:52.960 --> 00:06:53.960 - part of your opening statement, 00:06:53.960 --> 00:06:55.960 - and I'm putting a demand on that 00:06:55.960 --> 00:06:56.960 - statement, and I'm asking that 00:06:56.960 --> 00:06:57.960 - you fulfill the oath. 00:06:57.960 --> 00:06:59.960 - We, the Monroe County Board of 00:06:59.960 --> 00:07:00.960 - Commissioners, renew our 00:07:00.960 --> 00:07:01.960 - commitment to protect the rights 00:07:01.960 --> 00:07:03.960 - of all people, and we affirm the 00:07:03.960 --> 00:07:04.960 - right of every person to live 00:07:04.960 --> 00:07:06.960 - peaceably without fear, and we 00:07:06.960 --> 00:07:07.960 - will fight at every step 00:07:07.960 --> 00:07:09.960 - discrimination and harmful 00:07:09.960 --> 00:07:10.960 - policies, whatever their source. 00:07:10.960 --> 00:07:12.960 - We believe in diversity, equity, 00:07:12.960 --> 00:07:13.960 - inclusion, and belonging. 00:07:13.960 --> 00:07:15.960 - Repeating and stressing harmful 00:07:15.960 --> 00:07:17.960 - policies, whatever their source. 00:07:17.960 --> 00:07:18.960 - I'm pleading the Indiana 00:07:18.960 --> 00:07:20.960 - whistleblower laws in my defense, 00:07:20.960 --> 00:07:21.960 - and I ask that I do not receive 00:07:21.960 --> 00:07:23.960 - more retaliation for exercising 00:07:23.960 --> 00:07:25.960 - my local state and federally 00:07:25.960 --> 00:07:26.960 - protected right as a resident 00:07:26.960 --> 00:07:28.960 - of Monroe County to speak at 00:07:28.960 --> 00:07:29.960 - this public meeting. 00:07:29.960 --> 00:07:31.960 - Thank you for your time. 00:07:31.960 --> 00:07:34.960 - Thank you. 00:07:34.960 --> 00:07:36.960 - When else have public comment to 00:07:36.960 --> 00:07:39.960 - offer. 00:07:39.960 --> 00:07:44.960 - Raise your hand on teams. 00:07:44.960 --> 00:07:50.960 - Or come to the podium. 00:07:50.960 --> 00:07:52.960 - Thank you very much. 00:07:52.960 --> 00:07:54.960 - We will now move on to our next 00:07:54.960 --> 00:07:56.960 - item please make a motion. 00:07:56.960 --> 00:07:58.960 - Yes, I would like to approve a 00:07:58.960 --> 00:08:00.960 - move to approve the minutes from 00:08:00.960 --> 00:08:02.960 - April 10 2025. 00:08:02.960 --> 00:08:05.960 - I will second that any comments 00:08:05.960 --> 00:08:08.960 - edits or corrections. 00:08:08.960 --> 00:08:13.960 - I see no, no, no, neither. 00:08:13.960 --> 00:08:15.960 - Mr King. 00:08:15.960 --> 00:08:18.960 - Since we have a zoom attendee we 00:08:18.960 --> 00:08:20.960 - would need you to call all the 00:08:20.960 --> 00:08:23.960 - role please on this item. 00:08:23.960 --> 00:08:25.960 - Thank you. 00:08:25.960 --> 00:08:27.960 - Commissioner Madera. 00:08:27.960 --> 00:08:30.960 - I commissioner Jones. 00:08:30.960 --> 00:08:33.960 - I commissioner Thompson. 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:35.960 - Yes. 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:38.960 - All right motion carries three to 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:40.960 - zero. 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:42.960 - Look at the next item please. 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:44.960 - I move to approve the claims 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:46.960 - socket of accounts payable from 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:48.960 - April April 17 2025 and for 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:51.960 - payroll from April 17 2025. 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:53.960 - Miss Guyardo. 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:54.960 - Good morning. 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:55.960 - Good morning everyone. 00:08:55.960 --> 00:08:57.960 - The accounts payable claims docker 00:08:57.960 --> 00:09:00.960 - for April 17 2025 totals 10 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:02.960 - million three hundred thirty three 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:04.960 - thousand six hundred eighty eight 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:05.960 - and seven cents. 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:07.960 - This includes all emergency claims 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:08.960 - and adjustments. 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:10.960 - The payroll docker for April 17 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:13.960 - 2025 includes one million six 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:15.960 - hundred sixty five thousand eight 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:17.960 - hundred and six and twenty seven 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:19.960 - cents in direct cost and the 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:21.960 - remaining seven hundred one 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:22.960 - thousand nine hundred and twenty 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:24.960 - and twelve cents were for indirect 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:26.960 - costs for a grand total of two 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:28.960 - million three hundred sixty seven 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:30.960 - thousand seven hundred and twenty 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:33.960 - six and thirty nine cents. 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:34.960 - Thank you so much. 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:36.960 - Comments or questions. 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:38.960 - Commissioner Jones. 00:09:38.960 --> 00:09:39.960 - No I don't. 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:40.960 - Commissioner Madera. 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:41.960 - No thank you. 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:42.960 - I don't either. 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:43.960 - Let's see if there's any public 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:44.960 - comment on this item. 00:09:44.960 --> 00:09:46.960 - You raise your hand on teams or 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:53.960 - come to the podium. 00:09:53.960 --> 00:09:54.960 - Seeing none, Ms. 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:55.960 - Turner-King, if you would please 00:09:55.960 --> 00:09:57.960 - call the roll on accounts payable 00:09:57.960 --> 00:09:59.960 - April 17th, twenty twenty five and 00:09:59.960 --> 00:10:01.960 - payroll April 17th, twenty twenty 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:02.960 - five. 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:04.960 - Commissioner Jones. 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:05.960 - Yes. 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:06.960 - Commissioner Thomas. 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:07.960 - Yes. 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:08.960 - Commissioner Madera. 00:10:08.960 --> 00:10:09.960 - Yes. 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:10.960 - Thank you so much. 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:13.960 - Motion carries three zero. 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:14.960 - I will note for the record that we 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:16.960 - received a report from the treasurer. 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:18.960 - This is from March of twenty 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:20.960 - twenty five. 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:22.960 - We will now move on to new business. 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:24.960 - Commissioner Madera, if you would make a 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:27.960 - motion, please on that item. 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:28.960 - Yes, I would like to move to ratify the 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:30.960 - emergency declaration. 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:33.960 - I will second that. 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:36.960 - Who's managing that one? 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:39.960 - I don't know. 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:42.960 - I don't see if Jamie's on. 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:44.960 - Yeah, I think what I could maybe give a 00:10:44.960 --> 00:10:47.960 - little recap of over. 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:49.960 - I don't have the dates in front of me, but 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:53.960 - due to the weather issues that we've 00:10:53.960 --> 00:10:55.960 - recently experienced, the commissioners 00:10:55.960 --> 00:10:58.960 - had to enact an emergency declaration 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:00.960 - at that point in time. 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:03.960 - This will help potentially some of our 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:06.960 - residents as they move forward, trying 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:09.960 - to mitigate the expenses incurred as a 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:13.960 - result of the damages from the storms. 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:18.960 - Yes, so I signed, I signed the first one 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:23.960 - for April 5th and the second one was 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:25.960 - signed on April 12th. 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:29.960 - They both appear in the packet. 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:32.960 - So we don't know if there will be federal 00:11:32.960 --> 00:11:35.960 - assistance or state assistance available. 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:37.960 - However, without the emergency 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:39.960 - declaration, we know it would not be 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:40.960 - available. 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:42.960 - So we have no idea what's going to 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:44.960 - happen at the federal level or state 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:45.960 - level either. 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:50.960 - So all kinds of things can happen in 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:53.960 - that, in that context. 00:11:53.960 --> 00:12:01.960 - So, all right, so any comments or 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:04.960 - questions, Commissioner Madeira? 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:06.960 - No, just that we really critically need 00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:09.960 - to get funds to people whose property, 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:11.960 - whose lives are being disrupted by these 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:13.960 - storms, even before we get more weather 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:16.960 - this summer and spring. 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:18.960 - And this weekend, yeah, because there's a 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:20.960 - chance of flooding this weekend. 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:22.960 - Commissioner Jones, comments or questions? 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:23.960 - No, I don't. 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:29.960 - Thank you. 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:30.960 - All right. 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:32.960 - Any public comment on this item? 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:34.960 - You can raise your hand on Teams or come 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:49.760 - or come to the podium. All right, seeing none. All those in favor of ratifying. I'm sorry. So, 00:12:49.760 --> 00:12:53.840 - Mr. King, if you would call the roll on ratifying the emergency declarations of 00:12:53.840 --> 00:13:00.880 - April 5th and April 12th, 2025. Thank you. Commissioner Madera. Yes. Commissioner Jones. 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:07.200 - Yes. Commissioner Thomas. Yes. Thank you. Motion carries three zero. 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:14.640 - Before we go to the next item, maybe you want to explain item B being tabled. I mean, 00:13:14.640 --> 00:13:18.320 - do you want us to table that? Yeah, I'm just requesting that you might want to consider 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:25.600 - tabling that. I have some concerns as I read the synopsis and it states that B and L IT services 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:31.760 - would be involved in our potential planning and preparation for vote center implementation. 00:13:31.760 --> 00:13:32.480 - Oh, that's item C. 00:13:32.480 --> 00:13:45.920 - So you would like us to table item C until the May 1st meeting. 00:13:45.920 --> 00:13:50.160 - Got it. We can do that. All right. Okay. Because I was looking, I was like, 00:13:50.160 --> 00:14:00.000 - what is this? We're all good here. We've got it together. All right. Next item, please. 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:08.000 - Yes. I would like to move to approve the 2026 application for section 5 3 1 1 5 3 3 9 assistance 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:14.400 - for rural areas grant and authorizing resolution 20 25 dash 21 funds named county general fund 00:14:14.400 --> 00:14:23.360 - number 1000 in the amount of $80,000. We're kind of chuckling because this is an item. I was like, 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:30.000 - why would we table this item? It's gotta get passed today. All right. So thank you. Thank you for 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:37.840 - catching that. And we have, who's joining us? Good morning. Good morning. Thank you. I'm Chris 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:38.240 - Myers. 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:43.630 - I'm with area 10 agency on aging and rural transit specifically this morning. So thank you for 00:14:43.630 --> 00:14:43.920 - making 00:14:43.920 --> 00:14:50.400 - sure that got on the agenda. This is annual renewal grant to operate rural transit in Monroe and 00:14:50.400 --> 00:14:50.640 - then 00:14:50.640 --> 00:14:57.200 - three other counties. Um, in your packet, you have the application or the parts of the application 00:14:57.200 --> 00:15:02.880 - that you need to sign and approve. But, um, just to let everybody know, it would be for a total 00:15:02.880 --> 00:15:16.080 - operating budget of $1,781,275 of which the federal, um, 53 11 grant would be $856,438 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:23.520 - in the state match would be $311,595, which hasn't changed in years. 00:15:23.520 --> 00:15:32.400 - And then of course, leaving the local burden, um, at 562,242. And we're hoping that the Monroe 00:15:32.400 --> 00:15:37.680 - County commissioners and council will approve $80,000 towards that local match along with other 00:15:37.680 --> 00:15:44.400 - county, um, governments. And then the other part of that is putting in to replace four vehicles. 00:15:44.400 --> 00:15:53.680 - Three are buses from 2018 with almost 200,000 miles on them. We always stretch it as far as we 00:15:53.680 --> 00:15:57.760 - can. In fact, a couple of them probably won't be running this year and we're going to be waiting 00:15:57.760 --> 00:16:03.600 - until next year's, um, grant. And then one low floor minivan, all of which will have ramps or, 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:10.720 - or lifts in order to be 100% accessible. Uh, that application, uh, is for 459,000 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:18.720 - of which the federal government will pay, hopefully 328,400. And then the local match is 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:26.480 - 68,850, which area 10 commits from other sources and not asking for Monroe County help. So that's 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:33.680 - the entire numbers game. If you have any questions. Great. Um, we actually don't have it in our 00:16:33.680 --> 00:16:34.080 - packet, 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:40.720 - but I feel very familiar with all of this, uh, because it's been so many years, but I do want 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:46.160 - to see if, uh, commission Madeira has any comments or questions. No, I've actually looked at 00:16:46.160 --> 00:16:51.120 - documentation from prior years and you and I, when you kind of walked me through the history 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:55.760 - of transit and how this is funded a long time ago, this was very helpful. So thank you so much for 00:16:55.760 --> 00:17:03.280 - that. Commissioner Jones, comments or questions? No, I don't. Thank you. All right. Um, I do 00:17:03.280 --> 00:17:14.240 - actually have two questions for you. Um, one is, uh, the USDA has already cut a billion in 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:23.360 - food relief, uh, and spending for, um, lunch programs and food banks. Uh, are they talking 00:17:23.360 --> 00:17:28.400 - about cutting transit as well? They are not talking about cutting transit. I reached out 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:35.120 - to Todd Jennings, our NDOT program manager, and he believes that, um, because it's considered 00:17:35.120 --> 00:17:40.000 - infrastructure, that it will be supported and continued. There hasn't been any threats to that. 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:44.560 - Yeah. I know on the food bank piece, you know, area 10 also has a mobile food pantry for, 00:17:44.560 --> 00:17:47.920 - not that I want to take up time, but we are feeling the hurt for that. In fact, 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:52.240 - this Saturday is our stuff of us, which isn't great weather for it as it turns out to be, 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:57.200 - but you know, you can't predict that, but we are, everybody's feeling that hurt for sure. 00:17:57.200 --> 00:18:06.400 - Yeah. It's terrible. Um, it's really terrible. Um, and we have, we're currently, um, the Monroe 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:16.240 - County government is currently supporting the, uh, bus program that allows you to take non-USDA 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:26.000 - buses, uh, um, into, out of Ellisville and Bloomington and, uh, how's that going? 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:33.120 - It's fine. It's continuing as it has been. Um, so it has about the same ridership as it's, 00:18:33.120 --> 00:18:37.920 - you know, been supporting the last year. I don't have the numbers right in front of me, but, um, 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:42.640 - you know, I look at it every month and it's, it's right there where it has been. So I think that 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:47.360 - the funding that you've allocated for this year out of the remaining ARPA funds is going to cover, 00:18:47.360 --> 00:18:51.760 - hopefully we'll cover all of that through the end of the year. And of course we've got the struggle 00:18:51.760 --> 00:18:59.360 - of figuring out how that's going to be fixed for 2026. Right. Well, I, I think we, I think we just 00:18:59.360 --> 00:19:04.240 - get it on your calendar. I think we are going to make sure that it gets in the budget proposal 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:10.000 - first, the very first thing, uh, instead of having to be added later. And Angie's writing it down. 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:10.080 - I 00:19:10.080 --> 00:19:18.480 - can see her doing that. Thank you, Angie. And, um, and we will make sure that it's heard. Um, and I'm, 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:25.520 - I'm just glad to hear that ridership continues apace and I'm grateful for your ability to juggle 00:19:25.520 --> 00:19:31.040 - and provide these services for our residents. So thank you. Thank you. And I, I mean, I want to say 00:19:31.040 --> 00:19:38.400 - Monroe County has been so supportive of rural transit, especially in the last few years. Um, 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:43.360 - but, you know, I've been at area 10 for 11 years and it hasn't always been the cleanest and best 00:19:43.360 --> 00:19:49.680 - relationship. And I feel like we've done a great job, um, building that rapport and reputation over 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:54.880 - the years. But, you know, it, I also work with Putnam, Lawrence and Owen County governments, 00:19:54.880 --> 00:20:01.440 - so I can tell you that it's not as easy to exchange information and get people who are genuinely 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:06.880 - interested and concerned about trans public transportation in your position. So I do appreciate 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:12.240 - that. It makes my job a little easier in that regard. Well, we're grateful. Thank you. Yes, 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:17.280 - thank you. All right. Uh, let's see if there's any public comment on this item. You raise your hand 00:20:17.280 --> 00:20:30.640 - on teams or, um, come to the podium. Mr. King, will you please call the roll on a 2026 application 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:39.200 - for section 531-5311-5339 assistance for rural areas grant authorizing resolution 2025-21. 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:48.160 - Commissioner Jones. Yes. Commissioner Madera. Yes. Commissioner Thomas. Yes. Motion passes. 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:54.130 - Thank you. 3-0. Thank you so much. Thank you, Ms. Meyer. Um, I'm going to go ahead and make a 00:20:54.130 --> 00:20:54.720 - motion 00:20:54.720 --> 00:21:01.920 - to table item C, um, until our next meeting, which is May 1st, uh, B and L IT services, 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:09.040 - LLC renewal for election support. I'd like to, uh, table that to May 1st. I second that motion. 00:21:09.040 --> 00:21:15.920 - All right. We have a motion and a second. Any comments? Um, Commissioner Jones. Hi. No, I don't. 00:21:17.840 --> 00:21:26.800 - Um, Mr. Madera, I have none. Okay. Um, I don't know, Angie, if you have, if you'd like to speak on 00:21:26.800 --> 00:21:32.720 - your concerns and yeah, um, just, just so that everybody's understanding, I was looking at the 00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:42.400 - synopsis here and it references that B and L would have, um, it states here. Um, they covers, um, 00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:46.480 - upgrade of heart equipment once approved by the state, potential equipment moves and potential 00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:51.440 - planning and preparation for vote center implementation. I need to know clarification 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:57.680 - as to what that input actually is because this is a Monroe County government, um, project. And, um, 00:21:57.680 --> 00:22:06.080 - I think we need to ensure that missionaries who are responsible for these, um, buildings and spaces 00:22:06.080 --> 00:22:10.640 - have the authority to do what they need to do. So that was my only concern. 00:22:13.040 --> 00:22:19.440 - And, uh, may 1st won't hurt you if we delay this. It does. We actually have, we are holding claims 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:24.960 - waiting for this to be approved. So if we can pay some claims before this is actually approved, 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:33.600 - then we can submit it for clarity is the claims regarding the storage unit. Yes. So thank you. The, 00:22:33.600 --> 00:22:42.320 - um, previously the clerk's office had a agreement with a storage unit and now that storage unit is 00:22:42.320 --> 00:22:48.480 - going to be, um, encompassed in B and L's, um, service agreement. And so the claims for the 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:54.160 - storage unit, I think are waiting to be paid. The storage unit is going to be a two year agreement, 00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:59.040 - um, and it's going to be in Mr. White's name, who will provide access to the clerk's office. 00:22:59.040 --> 00:23:06.000 - And it's also for a reduced rate. They agreed to keep us at the current rate rather than giving 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:12.080 - us a bump up if we pay in the two years. So, and they have been very kind and very, very patient 00:23:12.080 --> 00:23:16.160 - for their money, but we, I mean, it is a small business. We do need to get them. 00:23:16.160 --> 00:23:22.160 - Right. Um, I don't know that I understand why it would not be in the county's name. 00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:28.240 - That become, I will defer to Mr. Turner King. 00:23:28.240 --> 00:23:36.080 - So the agreement was, um, previously in the county's name. And when it 00:23:36.080 --> 00:23:40.960 - come to time to renew it, I had mentioned that to renew it, we would have to have a public hearing 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:46.880 - and there are some several steps and clauses that need to go to the agreement for it to 00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:52.800 - be a county agreement. And, um, and explaining that to the clerk's office, the option that 00:23:52.800 --> 00:24:00.560 - they elected to do was place it in this agreement. Um, it is for storage of equipment that I 00:24:00.560 --> 00:24:00.800 - believe 00:24:00.800 --> 00:24:05.360 - it's, it's the only thing I know is it's election equipment. So I don't know what equipment is 00:24:05.360 --> 00:24:05.680 - there. 00:24:05.680 --> 00:24:10.880 - It is a lot of election equipment, not the voting machines per se, but everything that goes along 00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:17.040 - with it. And so there is a stipulation in the agreement, please correct me if I'm wrong, 00:24:17.040 --> 00:24:24.320 - that everything in the storage is property of Monroe County. They're just paying the bill and 00:24:24.320 --> 00:24:29.200 - they're going to be held. Um, they're not going to be held liable if any natural disaster happened 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:36.960 - because it is Monroe County's property and legal did suggest this option for us to just get it paid 00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:47.440 - and move on. It is more complicated. And it did need, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, 00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:55.040 - to be this complicated. I think we could put the lease in the county's name. There are two options 00:24:55.040 --> 00:25:03.760 - and this is one of the options. A third option is to see if there's a place for the storage of this 00:25:03.760 --> 00:25:08.960 - equipment that is county owned, but I don't have an idea of what this equipment is. 00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:17.200 - Nice. Good question. Please. Why would we put it in another party's name? 00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:30.000 - So the, um, contract previously has Mr. White, um, I'm trying to find the clause. It said he would 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:39.200 - maintain storage loc- er, that's an old version. Previously the contract alluded to that he was 00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:45.120 - maintaining and inventorying the equipment that was already in storage and because he was already 00:25:45.120 --> 00:25:51.120 - doing that it seemed appropriate to have him manage the storage unit too. 00:25:51.120 --> 00:25:56.720 - And he was doing that pursuant to his duties under this contract? 00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:06.400 - Under the previous version of this contract. Yes. And just for clarification, we also do have 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:13.280 - keys and access to that storage so it's not just the vendor, it's us as well. Just make sure that 00:26:13.280 --> 00:26:22.480 - is very- No, I understand that and I think for a normal business that's fine to do- assign an agent 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:28.880 - to manage a lease or a storage unit but my concern is this is the people's property 00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:36.960 - and I don't feel- I can't think of an example where we've ever done this before, 00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:46.000 - where we've given somebody that ownership of a space, oh you'll have access, it's the people's 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:52.000 - property. And I agree when I was looking at this I couldn't find an example where we have had a 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:58.960 - storage unit in someone else's name and I think that's because most of departments don't have 00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:05.840 - outside storage units. But I can't think of anywhere else where we've got county property 00:27:05.840 --> 00:27:15.920 - in someone else's possession. Is it really going to be problematic to wait two weeks? 00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:22.240 - It is. We're already a month late and given the storage and they've waived the 00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:29.360 - fee, the late fee. I just don't feel- I'd rather pay a late fee than do the wrong thing here. 00:27:29.360 --> 00:27:35.680 - I agree. I don't know. I don't feel comfortable with this. It's nothing you've done. I mean I get 00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:35.840 - it. 00:27:35.840 --> 00:27:43.680 - But I just have real concerns with something that I've never seen before and I've been here 12 00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:44.160 - years 00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:51.680 - doing this job 12 years and unfortunately we weren't giving any other storage options so this 00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:57.840 - is where they resorted to actually store and I'm trying to think of- so we have tables, we have 00:27:57.840 --> 00:28:07.600 - equipment, we have dividers, we have voting booths, we have- and he has inventory of all of this. I 00:28:07.600 --> 00:28:14.240 - mean he's very meticulous. Our vendor is amazing. Can we get a copy of that inventory? Yeah let's 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:18.400 - get a copy of the inventory. How big the storage unit is. Let's talk to Richard or Mr. Kreider 00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:23.360 - and let's see if there's a way we can do something else so that it is in our hands. 00:28:23.360 --> 00:28:31.200 - We'll pay whatever's due to them at that point as well and we're not going to short anybody. 00:28:31.840 --> 00:28:39.120 - Certainly they, you know, I would never do that but I would rather just wait on this than do the 00:28:39.120 --> 00:28:43.600 - wrong thing and save a few bucks. This is one of those few times I'm going to say that. 00:28:43.600 --> 00:28:49.440 - Write it down because it won't happen much. Commissioner Jones, what are your thoughts? 00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:53.920 - Yeah I'm pretty much in agreement with you. 00:28:56.560 --> 00:29:02.160 - Thank you. All right so just to clarify, I just want to make sure we can pay the claims for the 00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:16.080 - storage even agree to the contract for the being just yet. Let me ask this question. Can we pay it 00:29:16.080 --> 00:29:23.200 - out of our budget for a month? Our budget for a month if we have to instead of having this contract? 00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:27.920 - In other words is there another way to pay it? I don't know that there is. I don't know that we can. 00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:34.000 - Okay. I think the concern is that the all safe storage contract is expired. 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:42.880 - I think we could, one option is we could ask all storage if we could do a month to month agreement. 00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:48.080 - I know that will cost more but the reason it's being included in this agreement is because it's 00:29:48.080 --> 00:29:53.040 - for a longer period of time and I know they have a month to month option. I think we've utilized 00:29:53.040 --> 00:29:57.520 - the month to month in the past and I don't know if they we can have a conversation with all safe 00:29:57.520 --> 00:30:05.040 - to see if that's an option. Okay so where should we pull the overage cost from someone else's 00:30:05.040 --> 00:30:05.680 - budget 00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:13.280 - or because you guys are incurring additional expenses the clerk's office budget by us just 00:30:13.280 --> 00:30:19.280 - not being able to pay so I'm I'm not trying to be rude I'm just trying to get this out in the 00:30:19.280 --> 00:30:19.600 - public 00:30:19.600 --> 00:30:25.840 - so I know everybody knows I get your question um I think we have to figure that out and we'll 00:30:25.840 --> 00:30:31.440 - figure it out we'll figure it out I this isn't um the appropriate forum to dig through and figure 00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:39.280 - that out I think between legal staff and Angie and Mr. Kreider um there's some work that can be 00:30:39.280 --> 00:30:39.600 - done 00:30:39.600 --> 00:30:47.680 - 1215 um I just can't imagine late fees are that much yeah pull it out of my pocket and generally 00:30:48.320 --> 00:30:52.960 - you know so everything associated with election comes from that so we can track all the costs 00:30:52.960 --> 00:31:04.960 - incurred um so I'll I'll work with Molly and see what we can come up with that it will just come 00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:11.440 - from the same fund yeah I I want to acknowledge your concern I do hear that um because I know that 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:16.640 - it's your budget and it's not our budget to mess with I hear that I hear that we'll figure it out 00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:24.480 - okay um and we've done our job uh let these magnificent women do their job and then we'll 00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:32.080 - all come back together and do our job again in on May 1st does that sound good feeling 00:31:32.080 --> 00:31:32.640 - uncomfortable 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:37.520 - with it we just want to pay and just I mean well I I want to make sure the people's properties and 00:31:37.520 --> 00:31:44.400 - the people's names so I think I'm gonna have to you know we'll figure that part out I get I get it 00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:51.680 - I want you to know I hear you I hear you um and I respect your concerns and thank you for sharing 00:31:51.680 --> 00:32:02.080 - them okay uh so uh Ms. Turner King um would you please call the roll on tabling uh item c until 00:32:02.080 --> 00:32:10.160 - May 1st okay Commissioner Jones yes Commissioner Madera yes Commissioner Thomas yes motion passes 00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:16.880 - three to zero thank you so much uh sorry this was all last minute but we will we'll we'll get there 00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:23.360 - we will get there okay we'll figure it out all right next item please I would like to move to 00:32:23.360 --> 00:32:28.480 - approve resolution 2025 19 approving the ratification of the help americans vote act 00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:34.800 - grant received by the Monroe county clerk's office I will second that okay thank you this 00:32:34.800 --> 00:32:40.800 - word tells us I wanted to make sure if you guys had any questions it's basically we received a 00:32:40.800 --> 00:32:41.200 - grant 00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:47.680 - to help with the um the ballot emitters which will help us whether we have vote centers or not 00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:54.800 - yeah uh so it's it really it really is a benefit for the the citizens of Menor county um we thank 00:32:54.800 --> 00:33:03.040 - the state for giving us this grant it it's amazing uh so 35,873 so basically it's kind of a shift 00:33:03.040 --> 00:33:03.040 - uh 00:33:03.040 --> 00:33:09.520 - we were informed that we had to pay it out before they're going to pay us and so that's basically 00:33:09.520 --> 00:33:15.370 - I think we do have a line but we had to go before the council uh to have it brought up so we can 00:33:15.370 --> 00:33:15.520 - have 00:33:15.520 --> 00:33:21.360 - that money come in so we just need to make sure y'all are okay with it good deal thank you yeah 00:33:21.360 --> 00:33:28.000 - the HAVA act is very very important uh comments or questions commissioner jones oh no turner king 00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:28.000 - go 00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:32.880 - ahead sorry and I did want to add that I prepared a resolution to go with the approval of this 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:43.840 - um uh HAVA grant um so on july 9th of 2024 the clerk submitted this um grant application and so it 00:33:43.840 --> 00:33:50.880 - would be ratifying the grant application and then um authorizing the execution of attachment c 00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:57.440 - in communication with the secretary of state's office there's not an executed attachment c yet 00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:02.560 - and so I was trying the resolution is written as an ether or because at the time that I wrote it I 00:34:02.560 --> 00:34:09.360 - didn't know how if it had been executed or not so um this is again specifically for the thirty five 00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:14.620 - thousand eight hundred and seventy three thousand dollar um grant for the printers there was a 00:34:14.620 --> 00:34:14.960 - prior 00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:21.440 - version of this but I wrote the resolution to specify which one we are ratifying and authorizing 00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:27.280 - the execution of attachment c for got it thank you sorry commissioner jones comments or questions 00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:36.640 - no I don't thank you every dear no very very important thank you okay um I don't either thank 00:34:36.640 --> 00:34:44.320 - you for doing this um and yes the printers always come in handy always all right um 00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:48.480 - let's see if there's any public comment on this item you raise your hand on teams or come to the 00:34:48.480 --> 00:35:02.640 - podium seeing none oh uh miss turner king would you please call the roll on resolution 00:35:02.640 --> 00:35:12.960 - 2025 um dash 19 to approve the ratification of the hava act grant commissioner jones yes 00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:13.280 - commissioner 00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:20.480 - madero yes commissioner yes motion passes three zero all right thank you so much thank you just a 00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:28.560 - quick question molly does uh clerk brown need to sign that c or will clerk brown will sign um 00:35:28.560 --> 00:35:34.000 - attachment c and provide it back to the secretary of state and once she does so can you please 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:41.760 - provide me a copy absolutely thank you very much thank you thank you so much all right uh next item 00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:47.040 - please yes i would like to move to approve multiple mo us or memorandums of understanding 00:35:47.040 --> 00:35:54.320 - regarding mass countermeasure dispenser clinic sites i will second that um is kelly please tell 00:35:54.320 --> 00:36:01.200 - us all about this um yes so our preparedness coordinator um just has been working to uh ensure 00:36:01.200 --> 00:36:06.240 - that we have updated memorandum of understandings with certain locations throughout the county 00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:12.560 - in the event that we do need to host a mass countermeasure dispensing clinic site so the 00:36:12.560 --> 00:36:19.360 - purpose of that site location would be to be able to provide medications or vaccinations or 00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:26.720 - information or education in response to an emergency that involves an infectious disease threat 00:36:26.720 --> 00:36:32.960 - right thank you so much comments or questions commissioner madeira 00:36:33.680 --> 00:36:37.760 - no a very important uh community project and hopefully one that does not get more 00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:43.760 - important before the year's out there you go commissioner jones yes i agree with commissioner 00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:50.720 - madeira uh something that is wonderful to have in your back pocket and you hope you never ever ever 00:36:50.720 --> 00:36:59.040 - need it uh but i'm so glad um that uh you your staff the board have had the foresight to ensure 00:36:59.040 --> 00:37:07.120 - that this is in place these are nice sized areas and a shout out to surewood oaks christian church 00:37:07.120 --> 00:37:14.160 - for doing what they didn't have to do for the community let's see if there's any public comment 00:37:14.160 --> 00:37:18.720 - on this item raise your hand on teams or come to the podium 00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:29.040 - all right miss turner king would you please call the roll on the multiple mo us regarding mass 00:37:29.040 --> 00:37:36.960 - countermeasure dispensing clinic sites commissioner jones yes commissioner madeira yes commissioner 00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:44.000 - thomas yes motion passes three zero right thank you so much uh next item please i would like to 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:50.320 - move to approve tyler technology's iot website hosting fund name cumulative capital fund number 00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:56.960 - one one three eight in the amount of twelve thousand dollars i will second that mr crone 00:37:56.960 --> 00:38:06.080 - good morning everyone morning so currently our co dot minero dot i n u.s domain is provided 00:38:06.080 --> 00:38:10.720 - force free of charge by the department u.s department of agriculture but it is our intent 00:38:10.720 --> 00:38:15.680 - uh hopefully at third quarter in the later and third quarter of this year to be migrated over 00:38:15.680 --> 00:38:21.440 - to the i n dot gov domain provided by the state of indiana the dot gov domain provides increased 00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:25.920 - security and puts us more in alignment with what other counties across the state are doing which 00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:31.360 - which helps with visibility for the public part of that that goes hand in hand with that is a 00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:38.640 - website underneath the same domain address so the state of indiana has a program going with tyler 00:38:38.640 --> 00:38:44.800 - technologies for at a very minimal cost they will provide all website hosting for the counties 00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:45.040 - under 00:38:45.040 --> 00:38:50.800 - that domain so for the last year and a half the county webmaster has been working with the 00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:57.280 - departments to clean up their current website that they have all the data that's on the back end 00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:05.120 - it's taken some time the average county has 500 to a thousand html's on their website which is 00:39:05.120 --> 00:39:11.200 - documents videos pages connected to it here at manero county we had 12 000 and we're only allowed 00:39:11.200 --> 00:39:17.920 - the maximum of a thousand the reason that was is early on whenever we started a website we 00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:22.480 - didn't have secure server that we could host that data on that the public could access without 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:27.200 - having to worry about security coming back so i understand how all that documentation got there 00:39:27.200 --> 00:39:31.600 - but now we need to move it so like i said the webmaster for the last year and a half has been 00:39:31.600 --> 00:39:38.160 - working with the county offices and we've gotten 12 000 painstakingly whittled down to 1500 html's 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:43.280 - so this contract with tyler's kind of two parts yeah 00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:49.920 - way we've done that is we've had to move everything over into our sharepoint site that 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:56.320 - we now have the webmasters had to painstakingly rename relabel and redirect off of our website 00:39:56.320 --> 00:40:01.200 - to that sharepoint site so yes it's it's taken a lot of time so we've been working with tyler 00:40:01.200 --> 00:40:07.040 - technologies in the state and they've been really helpful on all this but in addition to 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:14.320 - a much cleaner improved website the state's hosting provides us much more flexibility over 00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:19.120 - what we have with our current site i do get a lot of criticisms about how our current site 00:40:19.120 --> 00:40:24.480 - looks and things people like to see changed but we are limited on what we can do with that page 00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:30.560 - and so is the provider so with states hosting we have much greater flexibility with that 00:40:30.560 --> 00:40:36.480 - they are open to anything we want to see changed they work with us on that they have a ticketing 00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:42.800 - system one of the big perks of this it also includes the ada compliance software that we 00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:49.520 - currently pay seven thousand dollars a year for so after this is implemented we'll be paying 250 00:40:49.520 --> 00:40:55.280 - a month which is three thousand dollars a year does for the site hosting we currently pay seven 00:40:55.280 --> 00:41:00.000 - to egev for that so we're going to go from fourteen thousand dollars a year approximately 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:05.280 - down to three thousand dollars a year to host the same site i don't know how many of you spend much 00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:12.640 - time on the state's website but it's very clean it flows well it's just a much updated from what 00:41:12.640 --> 00:41:16.960 - we have so i'm asking for both these agreements for a total of twelve thousand dollars to be 00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:22.640 - approved all right thank you so much i appreciate the explanation um comments or questions 00:41:22.640 --> 00:41:23.120 - commissioner 00:41:23.120 --> 00:41:32.000 - jones yeah this sounds like a good idea to me commissioner madira i agree you had me at increased 00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:41.200 - security yeah there you go um and you know and our when we changed over our website last we had 00:41:41.200 --> 00:41:41.760 - this 00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:47.680 - really great search capability and then that disappeared and i i'm hopeful that the search 00:41:47.680 --> 00:41:53.040 - capability will become improved again it will be and part of the reason you saw issues with the 00:41:53.040 --> 00:41:58.160 - search capability was how that data was structured and back into that website that's where we run 00:41:58.160 --> 00:42:04.560 - into problems early on and it has got exponentially worse over time got it so uh one difference 00:42:04.560 --> 00:42:04.720 - that 00:42:04.720 --> 00:42:10.560 - we will have in under the current system each department had some some departments had two or 00:42:10.560 --> 00:42:16.480 - three content editors but there was at least one per uh as staff would leave new staff would come 00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:22.640 - in the training wasn't always there so it was kind of the wild west a little bit and under this new 00:42:22.640 --> 00:42:28.400 - system uh will be eliminating most of those content editors and it'll be a very very controlled 00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:33.120 - environment so that way we can maintain consistency through the whole thing nice nice document 00:42:33.120 --> 00:42:33.440 - naming 00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:39.040 - and things like that have a lot to do with all of that as well um and then our our email addresses 00:42:39.040 --> 00:42:45.120 - will be changing in the future in the future so right now all that the county domain will stay 00:42:45.120 --> 00:42:50.800 - the same for now the only thing that changes is the county web page if uh visitors to the site 00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:57.760 - go to go to the co.manero.in.us they will be redirected to the new site so they can either 00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:02.480 - go straight to the in.gov or then go to our old address they will still land on that same page 00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:08.320 - once all work is complete excellent um then like I said in third up for shooting for third quarter 00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:14.320 - there's a lot of work to be done to make sure we don't a lot of dots to connect there to make sure 00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:19.040 - we don't break any systems whenever you change a domain that's a big undertaking so we are taking 00:43:19.040 --> 00:43:25.920 - our time to get that done good but yes eventually we will be over on the in.us yeah right thank 00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:31.600 - you so much um and I appreciate that time that's being taken to do this right I think we're all 00:43:31.600 --> 00:43:35.520 - going to benefit from that including the residents of this county who need to use our website 00:43:35.520 --> 00:43:41.440 - so thank you for that let's see if there's any public comments on this item 00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:52.400 - raise your hand on teams or come to the podium 00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:57.280 - seeing none uh Ms. Turner King if you would please call the role on the 00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:05.280 - Tyler technologies iot website hosting commissioner jones yes commissioner madera 00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:11.120 - yes commissioner thomas yes motion passes three zero thank you very much thank you so much 00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:15.280 - um 00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:28.720 - do two motions the one yeah can you add this to the next motion it's yes thank you so much um so 00:44:28.720 --> 00:44:34.440 - please item g yes I would like to move to approve the dlz traffic study agreement uh and the 00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:35.120 - traffic 00:44:35.120 --> 00:44:42.080 - study cost share contract fund name edit edit ban fund number four eight one six in the amount of 00:44:42.080 --> 00:44:49.040 - twenty eight thousand two hundred dollars i will second that miss prudy thank you um this is a 00:44:49.040 --> 00:44:55.440 - proposal for traffic engineering services related to proposed developments that are anticipated 00:44:55.440 --> 00:45:03.040 - along state road 46 between interstate 69 and west arlington road this development is expected to 00:45:03.040 --> 00:45:09.680 - include our plan justice center um as well as other residential and commercial development 00:45:09.680 --> 00:45:15.520 - according to the north park pud and include extension of west hunter valley road east of 00:45:15.520 --> 00:45:23.760 - state road 46 to west arlington road this is um this traffic engineering study as indicated here 00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:30.240 - is covering both the county's interests as well as the developer's landowners potential interest 00:45:30.240 --> 00:45:36.400 - on the other areas and that is why item number two the traffic study cost share contract has 00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:42.640 - come into play as um i believe it's called logan land development is agreeing to 00:45:42.640 --> 00:45:48.960 - pay half the cost of this particular engineering study thank you so much comments or questions 00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:53.920 - commissioner madera i just think the public might be interested why we need a traffic study at this 00:45:53.920 --> 00:46:02.000 - critical moment in time um in other words they might think they might think we're building a 00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:08.400 - jail in north park why do we need a traffic study um there is concern and i will also let lisa step 00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:14.320 - in if necessary there is concern that due to there might be increased traffic um use in that 00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:19.920 - particular area there's going to be increased traffic to our facility um there's also then the 00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:25.040 - concern that as part of the north park pud with the expansion of the other side of things that 00:46:25.040 --> 00:46:30.750 - they're just going to be a higher input of traffic and we're wanting to kind of look into the 00:46:30.750 --> 00:46:31.040 - future 00:46:31.040 --> 00:46:38.320 - we don't have the crystal ball that we're trying to kind of get an idea and make sure that we are 00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:48.000 - anticipating potential needs before they actually happen miss ridge that was perfectly said it's 00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:54.240 - very typical to do a traffic impact study when you're making new connections uh to see try and 00:46:54.240 --> 00:47:00.400 - anticipate where the traffic's going to flow and then prevent uh you know traffic backup at 00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:04.800 - certain intersections um so it's kind of just staying a little bit ahead of the game if you 00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:13.040 - can thank you so much i just think that you know we we so rarely get an insight into what it takes 00:47:13.040 --> 00:47:18.240 - to build a major project of this scale and i want the community to appreciate how much we are 00:47:18.240 --> 00:47:18.560 - looking 00:47:18.560 --> 00:47:23.760 - out for you know traffic and making sure we have the requisite infrastructure as this important 00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:30.800 - project develops thank you so much and i and i will note as well that the uh entire north park area 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:37.520 - uh planned unit development which is basically a set of laws and structures and regulations 00:47:37.520 --> 00:47:38.080 - regarding 00:47:38.080 --> 00:47:45.200 - the development of that entire property um is coming to us soon um and that's also part of this 00:47:45.200 --> 00:47:55.440 - as well um comments questions commissioner jones no i don't great uh let's see if there's any um 00:47:55.440 --> 00:48:08.160 - public comments on this item you raise your hand on teams or come to the podium 00:48:08.160 --> 00:48:18.800 - looks like there's a hand raised uh tsd can you help facilitate that it is not on my screen but i 00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:34.240 - see it on the other screen and please give us your name and county residents and ask your question 00:48:34.240 --> 00:48:34.800 - or 00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:43.680 - make your comment hi my name is lee runetaefer can you hear me yes we can 00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:53.120 - hi i'm a mineral county resident this traffic study will it uh address pedestrian traffic or just 00:48:53.120 --> 00:49:01.520 - vehicular traffic thank you thank you um we will go ahead and and field that question 00:49:01.520 --> 00:49:10.400 - with um ms ridge and ms purdy so at the time it is just for um vehicular traffic but also in the 00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:18.320 - design of the new hunter valley road connection there is um sidewalk and um a side path that is 00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:24.240 - being constructed also for the safety of the pedestrian traffic yeah so we've kind of already 00:49:24.240 --> 00:49:29.360 - done that part of of that research but thank you for that great question i'm glad that we 00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:39.920 - were able to clarify them uh any other public comment on this item all right uh seeing none um 00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:45.760 - ms turner king if you would please call the roll on both the dlz traffic study agreement and the 00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:53.360 - traffic study cost share contract commissioner jones yes commissioner madera yes commissioner 00:49:53.360 --> 00:50:02.320 - thomas yes motion passes three zero thank you so much all right next i would like to move to 00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:06.720 - approve the amendment to the 2020 sofia travis community service grant for the health department 00:50:06.720 --> 00:50:13.840 - i will second that miss turner king tell us all about it so in february of this year the 00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:18.880 - representative of the health department reached out to the council office because they determined 00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:24.960 - that they have approximately it's a little more than 400 left of a sofia of travis grant funds 00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:33.360 - that they received um as part of the 2020 sofia travis agreement um the agreement indicated that 00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:39.200 - the funds were supposed to be used for disposal um and that the funds were supposed to be used by 00:50:39.200 --> 00:50:45.920 - the end of the calendar year of 2021 and so the health department was requesting um an amendment 00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:49.840 - to the 2020 agreement to allow them to use the remainder of the funds 00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:57.760 - and so i did um talk to the sofia travis committee about this i think it was last week well it was 00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:03.520 - last friday um and their recommendation was that the health department should be allowed to use 00:51:03.520 --> 00:51:12.160 - the funds so this is the amendment to the contract that would allow such excellent thank you uh so 00:51:12.160 --> 00:51:21.200 - much comments or questions commissioner jones yeah that makes sense to me commissioner madira i 00:51:21.200 --> 00:51:21.360 - just 00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:27.120 - had one quick question um down in the synopsis uh it mentions wheeler mission yeah it should say 00:51:27.120 --> 00:51:31.120 - health department is that correct okay just wanted to just wanted to make sure i had that's gonna 00:51:31.120 --> 00:51:38.160 - i was gonna make the same point for the public record that if you're looking at the packet there 00:51:38.160 --> 00:51:46.000 - is an error all right uh we wheel away yes um so let's see if there's uh any public comment 00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:52.080 - on this item you can raise your hand on teams or come to the podium 00:51:52.080 --> 00:52:03.520 - all right um mr king if you would please call uh the role on the uh motion to approve amendment 00:52:03.520 --> 00:52:09.920 - to 2020 sofia travis community service grant for the health department commissioner jones 00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:18.320 - yes commissioner madera yes commissioner thomas yes motion passes three zero excellent thank you 00:52:18.320 --> 00:52:28.080 - so much um all right so uh we'll now move on to item i please move to approve ordinance 2025 00:52:28.080 --> 00:52:37.920 - 11 sunset hill rezone i will second that um mr meyers morning can you hear me okay 00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:43.920 - yes um tsd could raise the volume a little bit in the room but yes we can hear you 00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:52.240 - great thank you so this is ordinance 2025-11 also known as rez-25-1 the sunset hill rezone 00:52:52.240 --> 00:52:58.480 - from hd to res as requested by the commissioners the plan commission voted six to two to forward 00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:03.280 - this with a positive recommendation to the board of commissioners with one condition of approval 00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:10.080 - and i'll get into details of that in a moment but this is 100 parcels on approximately 64.44 acres 00:53:10.080 --> 00:53:18.320 - in perry township section six and it is currently zoned hd all right so the request as i stated is 00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:24.720 - to rezone from high development residential or hd to residential one or res and the purpose of 00:53:24.720 --> 00:53:28.800 - this rezone request from the commissioners is to preserve the overall character of the area which 00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:33.120 - contains older established neighborhoods the presence of sinkholes and other cars features 00:53:33.120 --> 00:53:38.800 - in the area it also incorporates the recent approval of the historic preservation overlay 00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:44.480 - on 25 parcels in this neighborhood as well as most existing homes stating that they don't have 00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:50.800 - access to sewer that most of them operate on a septic system this request was made by the 00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:54.320 - commissioners immediately following the adoption of the county development ordinance on december 00:53:54.320 --> 00:54:00.880 - 18th 2024 that request was reinstated on march 13th 2025 during the commissioner's work session 00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:08.000 - planning staff sent out approximately 85 property notice letters and 170 notice letters for this 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:16.480 - rezone specifically on january 31st 2025 evidence of that the the documents are included in the 00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:20.960 - packet that show what those letters looked like and the information that was provided to the 00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:28.160 - property owners and neighbors access to this sites these sites are through south corey lane west 00:54:28.160 --> 00:54:36.080 - piper lane south annalee lane west wiley street west corey drive or west bloomfield road so here 00:54:36.080 --> 00:54:41.920 - is the rezone request for this neighborhood just some images here you can see on the right side 00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:46.960 - of the screen all the properties that are zoned in the yellow or hd are the ones that are subject 00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:56.720 - to the rezone to the res zone this is the former zoning map of this property before the county 00:54:56.720 --> 00:55:01.440 - development ordinance was approved in december of last year so you can see there was a quite a bit 00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:07.360 - of a mix of different zoning districts in this neighborhood these were all a result of the former 00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:14.720 - fringe areas of the interlocal agreement that was back before 1997 with the city of bloomington so 00:55:14.720 --> 00:55:22.240 - you can see there was quite a bit of different zones here and on december 18 2024 this was all 00:55:22.240 --> 00:55:30.560 - rezoned except for this pd into the hd zones and then of course the commercial districts the the 00:55:30.560 --> 00:55:36.640 - salmon color here those were transitioned into the limited business zone that you can see on this 00:55:36.640 --> 00:55:36.960 - screen 00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:45.360 - but now we are requesting a different a change in the zone from this hd district to the res 00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:51.280 - zone on this screen you can see the current zoning map those hatchings on the screen are the 00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:56.240 - properties that exhibit the historic preservation overlay the historic preservation overlay does 00:55:56.240 --> 00:55:56.880 - not 00:55:56.880 --> 00:56:03.120 - affect the underlying zoning district but does provide protections as well as some flexibility 00:56:03.120 --> 00:56:10.960 - with respect to zoning uses and also does provide some guidance on the certificate of appropriateness 00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:18.560 - process which is related to the external features or appearance of some structures in those areas 00:56:18.560 --> 00:56:24.560 - it only applies to those properties that are designated it does not impact neighboring 00:56:24.560 --> 00:56:31.520 - properties that do not have the designation okay so a bit of a background here and a lot of this 00:56:31.520 --> 00:56:37.360 - information with respect to design standards and uses will also apply to the next ordinance that 00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:43.680 - you'll be hearing from fellow planner sean smith because the the reason request is the same going 00:56:43.680 --> 00:56:52.720 - from hd to res so with respect to lot size the hd zone's minimum lot size is 0.14 acres and the 00:56:52.720 --> 00:57:00.080 - residential zone's minimum lot size is one acre and the lot width will also change from 50 feet 00:57:00.080 --> 00:57:06.240 - to 75 feet now with respect to the one acre requirement for the res zone i will state that 00:57:06.240 --> 00:57:10.560 - there is a provision in the ordinance that does allow for lots to be smaller than the one acre 00:57:10.560 --> 00:57:16.240 - in the res zone and would not require a minimum lot size variance to further develop the property 00:57:16.240 --> 00:57:21.040 - as long as other design standards are met such as setbacks previous cover things like that 00:57:21.040 --> 00:57:27.760 - now the proposed rezone is also impacting side and rear yard setbacks side is going from 5 feet to 00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:28.080 - 10 00:57:28.080 --> 00:57:33.920 - feet through this rezone and the rear yard is going from 10 feet to 20 feet accessory buildings 00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:39.040 - less than 15 feet in height can have reduced setbacks of 5 feet in all zones so i wanted to 00:57:39.040 --> 00:57:44.560 - make sure that that was clearly communicated that even though the setback is changing accessory 00:57:44.560 --> 00:57:51.840 - buildings that are short meaning five feet in height or less can be still five feet in any 00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:58.720 - zoning district if a property in the res zone i already talked about this bullet point so yes 00:57:58.720 --> 00:58:04.480 - this basically talks about that one acre minimum requirement and that being a little flexible in 00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:11.520 - the res zone as long as setbacks and other things can be met a variance is only activated with new 00:58:11.520 --> 00:58:15.520 - construction slash development is occurring on the property which would require a permit 00:58:15.520 --> 00:58:22.400 - otherwise a property that's not compliant with lot size or setbacks is considered pre-existing 00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:28.240 - non-conforming and they can remain as such in perpetuity until a new structure is built or 00:58:28.240 --> 00:58:33.440 - expanded altered or changed or new development occurs in the property that would require a permit 00:58:33.440 --> 00:58:43.120 - and a planning procedure okay so on this screen now we have the descriptions of the two zoning 00:58:43.120 --> 00:58:48.400 - districts the res district as well as the hd district i'm not going to read from the screen 00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:51.840 - this is also included in the packet but it provides information on the district 00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:54.480 - character between the two zones as well as their purpose statement 00:58:54.480 --> 00:59:01.920 - now on the screen is the table that's found in the county development coordinates that details 00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:06.560 - those design standards that i spoke on a few minutes ago as you could see the differences 00:59:06.560 --> 00:59:12.080 - here between the hd on the left and the res on the right and those changes in minimum lot width 00:59:12.080 --> 00:59:17.360 - lot size maximum impervious cover which i'm going to talk a little bit more on in a moment 00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:24.560 - changes a bit between these two zones as well as the setbacks on the the side and rear setbacks 00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:31.840 - i will state that these properties are in the critical watershed of clear creek so that does 00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:39.440 - provide that more restrictive state provision here regarding the maximum impervious cover 00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:43.280 - so you just want to note that those two are the ones that would be applying here 00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:49.840 - and we'll talk about more about that in a moment on the screen now is the background discussion 00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:56.640 - for the uses of the properties with respect to the two different zoning districts the highlighted 00:59:56.640 --> 01:00:02.480 - items are items that are changing between the two zones and if there's an asterisk next to it it 01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:08.640 - means it has standards that must be met in order for it to get approved so you'll see on the hd 01:00:08.640 --> 01:00:13.280 - zone side on the left side of the screen multifamily dwelling three to four units multifamily 01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:13.760 - dwelling 01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:21.120 - five unit five plus units senior housing single-family detached dwelling three to five units 01:00:21.120 --> 01:00:28.080 - two-family dwelling and child care center are all in the permitted use section whereas on the 01:00:28.080 --> 01:00:33.600 - residential side on the right side of the screen two-family dwelling is conditional use child care 01:00:33.600 --> 01:00:40.000 - center is a conditional use and you'll note that you don't see multifamily units anywhere located 01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:47.360 - on that residential zoned side and then of course on the hd side on the left side of the screen 01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:47.680 - again 01:00:47.680 --> 01:00:54.640 - in the conditional uses we have firearm sales retail sales small scale which do not appear on 01:00:54.640 --> 01:01:00.880 - the residential zone side conditional uses i will say they need to go to the board of zoning 01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:01.200 - appeals 01:01:01.200 --> 01:01:05.760 - at a public hearing and so neighbors get noticed that there's going to be a petition requesting 01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:11.600 - that particular use nearby and there's an opportunity for them to discuss or ask 01:01:11.600 --> 01:01:17.920 - questions or speak their concerns or support for those particular uses in their neighborhood 01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:27.680 - okay site conditions map sorry for the resolution it's a bit blurry but it does show the presence 01:01:27.680 --> 01:01:34.080 - of sanitary pipes as well as water pipes on the screen the blue being the water pipes and sanitary 01:01:34.080 --> 01:01:39.760 - lines shown in green so you can see that sanitary line is somewhat present in the neighborhood 01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:45.600 - however a majority of the properties are all still operating on septic as sewer services are not 01:01:45.600 --> 01:01:54.800 - being extended at this time a brief discussion on the comprehensive plan phase one of the 01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:59.280 - comprehensive plan for the monroe county urbanizing area designated these areas as 01:02:00.640 --> 01:02:06.160 - see it's in the orange so it's the mixed residential you can see on the screen on 01:02:06.160 --> 01:02:11.600 - the right that star indicates the location of the neighborhood and then the comprehensive plan 01:02:11.600 --> 01:02:19.200 - discussion for phase two describes it as n1 or urban infill neighborhood and all this information 01:02:19.200 --> 01:02:26.080 - is included in your packet with more discussions about what those terms involve now i'm going to 01:02:26.080 --> 01:02:32.480 - take a moment to discuss the non-conformity in a bit more detail because that has been a topic of 01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:37.380 - a lot of discussion between the planning commission meetings as well as the county commissioner 01:02:37.380 --> 01:02:37.600 - work 01:02:37.600 --> 01:02:42.640 - session so non-conformities on the screen now you see the definitions for non-conforming use 01:02:42.640 --> 01:02:50.000 - non-conforming structure and non-conforming lot and as i stated any of those items and those 01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:55.840 - definitions can apply to a property if it doesn't meet those specific standards and it can remain 01:02:55.840 --> 01:03:05.760 - as such until a permit process is triggered for the new development so from the last work session 01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:11.360 - we the planning department with the assistance of the surveyor's office and gis coordinator dr 01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:18.560 - john baten were able to provide some calculations that provide a little bit of guidance on where 01:03:18.560 --> 01:03:25.040 - we're at with respect to non-conformity and at least the respect of impervious cover so as i 01:03:25.040 --> 01:03:30.880 - stated sunset hill is located in the clear creek critical drainage area so those more restrictive 01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:39.760 - impervious cover standards do apply so hd has a maximum impervious cover of 50 percent while res 01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:46.320 - has a maximum impervious cover of 10 percent of the lot size so with the assistance of the gis 01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:52.800 - coordinator using information that was provided from assess structures which does not include 01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:58.560 - driveways or parking areas mind you we found that approximately 67 percent of the properties were 01:03:58.560 --> 01:04:06.880 - conforming to the standard in the res zone and in the hd zone all but one parcel was conforming to 01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:12.880 - the standard so there's a little bit of a there's a difference there from 67 percent to you know 01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:21.360 - 98 percent or so with respect to impervious cover conformity we did exclude the parcel 01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:28.560 - 717 south analee lane to 725 south analee lane um that is the one parcel that exhibits multifamily 01:04:28.560 --> 01:04:33.760 - use within the sunset hill neighborhood and is part of the condition of approval to exclude that 01:04:33.760 --> 01:04:38.960 - from the res zone request and that property specifically exhibits nine percent impervious 01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:45.360 - cover which would meet the standard from either the hd zone or the res zone i will take a moment 01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:49.440 - too to discuss that the planning commission is considering an amendment to the impervious cover 01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:55.360 - maximums this amendment in part has been drafted to we consider the res critical watershed impervious 01:04:55.360 --> 01:05:02.400 - cover maximum from that current 10 percent of the lot size or 4500 square feet whichever is less 01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:08.880 - to be 30 percent of the lot size or 5000 square feet which could provide some relief for folks 01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:15.200 - because we are seeing a large uptick in variance requests specifically to the maximum impervious 01:05:15.200 --> 01:05:21.360 - cover across the county so we're working on adjusting that text in the ordinance to address 01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:27.360 - that and then if the text and i were to proceed this would increase the number of conforming lots 01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:35.120 - to this particular standard so that is a bit of a non-conformity analysis for the impervious cover 01:05:35.120 --> 01:05:40.480 - and again you know it's not totally conclusive because it did have to exclude driveways and 01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:46.800 - parking areas um finally on the screen i have letters of support and these were included in 01:05:46.800 --> 01:05:54.960 - the packet so i will not leave them on the screen for very long as they are all accessible in the 01:05:54.960 --> 01:06:02.880 - packet as well as this letter of support and then we also had a letter of opposition from 01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:07.440 - the greater bloomington chamber of commerce again this is included in the packet for your review 01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:15.840 - okay that brings me to staff's recommendation um so staff recommended that the planning 01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:20.320 - commission forward a positive recommendation to the intercounty board commissioners they did so 01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:29.280 - in their march meeting with the one condition of approval that 717 south annalee lane and 72 01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:35.440 - through 725 south annalee lane be excluded from the rezone request you can see that image here 01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:41.600 - on the right side of the screen be excluded from the rezone because the use of the property is 01:06:41.600 --> 01:06:47.680 - multifamily and the use would be considered non-conforming with the new zoning district 01:06:47.680 --> 01:06:53.840 - of res which would be a non-conformity with respect to use which can be a little trickier 01:06:53.840 --> 01:07:00.720 - for any property owner to go through the variance process to remedy oh and i'll take any questions 01:07:02.640 --> 01:07:10.960 - all right thank you so much mr meyers we really appreciate um your explanations um and and your 01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:18.160 - clarity for the public uh let's see if there's any um oh miss turner king did you have a comment or 01:07:18.160 --> 01:07:25.440 - a question i do have a comment um and speaking with mr schilling he would have liked me to 01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:31.760 - provide the following advice um so an interpretation of case law indicates that um the applicant 01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:32.000 - can 01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:36.320 - amend their request so in this case since the commissioners are the applicant they can amend 01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:44.400 - the request but if the applicant chose not to remove or amend the request the rezone as proposed 01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:51.200 - could still move forward um the planning commission's um recommendation is advisory 01:07:51.200 --> 01:07:58.400 - and they can either approve their recommendation is either approve or deny not amend okay thank you 01:07:59.120 --> 01:08:04.240 - right because it was amended to remove in this for this petition um these addresses which are 01:08:04.240 --> 01:08:09.840 - on one lot but they're multiple addresses it's one parcel but they're also in the historic overlay 01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:16.000 - yeah just to make things even more interesting uh commissioner jones comments or questions 01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:26.640 - yeah this is an interesting area here and uh i i'm very much in favor of this it's one of these 01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:35.920 - situations where the city is just kind of grown around an area that's really in nature somewhat 01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:45.600 - more rural and i think it's important that people be able to people who are already there be able 01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:45.840 - to 01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:55.040 - continue to enjoy things as they've known them in the past um to suddenly be enveloped by the city 01:08:55.040 --> 01:08:58.160 - would be pretty unpleasant for a lot of people 01:08:58.160 --> 01:09:07.840 - thank you commissioner madure comments or questions um no and actually i was coming at this 01:09:07.840 --> 01:09:14.320 - from a slightly different angle and i very much appreciate the uh very thorough and you know 01:09:14.320 --> 01:09:14.880 - complex 01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:22.880 - analyses given i was there for the planning commission uh reports and debates and we received 01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:30.720 - a very very comprehensive assessment in the last work session and i very much respect my colleagues 01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:37.280 - and opinions and i very much respect the residents opinions as well and i just have one concern 01:09:37.280 --> 01:09:45.360 - and that's the process by which this happened and so this was left out of the cdo and i think if it 01:09:45.360 --> 01:09:52.640 - had been discussed in the cdo it would have been handled a different way if it's since it's been 01:09:52.640 --> 01:09:59.200 - handled outside the cdo process uh it's my interpretation that it's actually under a sort 01:09:59.200 --> 01:10:08.560 - of different code provision which um is indiana code 36 74 603 and i was grappling with everything 01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:15.120 - all of this complex information and section 603 i think was kind of instructive and spoke to me 01:10:15.120 --> 01:10:19.120 - in a different way and it said in preparing and considering proposals under the 600 series 01:10:19.120 --> 01:10:23.260 - the plan commission in the legislative body shall pay reasonable regard to one the comprehensive 01:10:23.260 --> 01:10:23.920 - plan 01:10:23.920 --> 01:10:27.920 - two current conditions and the character of current structures and uses in each district 01:10:27.920 --> 01:10:31.600 - three the most desirable use for which the land in each district is adapted 01:10:31.600 --> 01:10:35.920 - four the conservation of property values throughout the jurisdiction and five a responsible 01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:41.520 - development and growth and several of those classifications are just subjective it is subjective 01:10:41.520 --> 01:10:45.600 - what considered what is considered responsible development and growth and that often evolves 01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:52.160 - as certain areas evolve but i think when i looked at the case law that i saw most cases 01:10:52.160 --> 01:10:56.560 - involved the designation of the comprehensive plan the comprehensive plan has not been updated 01:10:56.560 --> 01:11:04.800 - actually since 2012 and so i think we have some parcels here that it's not so much for this 01:11:04.800 --> 01:11:12.320 - parcel as it is for the following one maple grove baby farms but i would give due consideration to 01:11:12.320 --> 01:11:20.800 - section 603 and that's sort of where my thoughts have been going in this in this matter yeah and 01:11:20.800 --> 01:11:27.120 - and i appreciate that and that's part of what's driven some of this as well is that specific code 01:11:27.120 --> 01:11:34.160 - so these i'm going to talk about both of these areas and when folks come up to comment they may 01:11:34.160 --> 01:11:41.120 - you know comment ahead or they may speak twice if they wish just to let you all know that but 01:11:41.120 --> 01:11:48.000 - these two areas were formerly part of the areas intended for annexation between the city and a 01:11:48.000 --> 01:12:00.480 - county and this agreement lapsed more than a decade ago in 2011 and during that time we had to use 01:12:00.480 --> 01:12:07.600 - city zoning the city set the zone and we had to live with it and work with it so we had to learn 01:12:07.600 --> 01:12:10.960 - counties that when you got on the planning commission you had their county zone and city 01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:15.840 - zoning and now this is something the city doesn't even use anymore and it was still on our books 01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:26.640 - so it was a little crazy um but um the city did not do anything uh did not annex did not extend 01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:27.040 - sewer 01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:39.360 - and um and there's um one of the things that happened in the process of the CDO 01:12:39.360 --> 01:12:47.600 - is as we had our work sessions we addressed other areas like this elsewhere in the county 01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:53.760 - that were still under city zoning jurisdiction and because of that they were just dropped into the 01:12:53.760 --> 01:13:03.520 - same thing um because that's how it got moved to our new zone based on what it was under the city 01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:09.760 - we're not the city that's not us that's not who we are and if you spend any time in these areas 01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:16.640 - you'll know for folks who haven't that these are not city looking lots um these are definitely not 01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:22.800 - that um so what was occurring at the city zone was automatically transferred to a county zone and 01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:23.120 - again 01:13:23.120 --> 01:13:28.800 - we had we addressed most of this during our work sessions and through the CDO process however 01:13:28.800 --> 01:13:36.720 - inadvertently missed these and so this is a very unusual thing to have the commissioners at this 01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:43.440 - juncture asking for a planning petition because we don't typically do that um but postcards had 01:13:43.440 --> 01:13:52.080 - already been sent out um with and the new map had already been passed and so um in order to provide 01:13:52.080 --> 01:14:01.120 - people with the opportunity to offer commentary um uh this is the process that was deemed to be the 01:14:01.120 --> 01:14:10.560 - most transparent um and um and i'm and i do apologize to the property owners who had to 01:14:10.560 --> 01:14:18.000 - contact me and correct me and tell me what you didn't fix that i was like oh my gosh so um and 01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:23.920 - again where it was where it happened before we addressed it and we dealt with it um and yes one 01:14:23.920 --> 01:14:32.960 - of the key things um in that ic 36 legislation or statute regarding zoning current conditions and 01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:40.640 - character of current structures and uses in each district and that's kind of the way um to think 01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:48.480 - through this because that's what folks who live there have they can as folks who live there decide 01:14:48.480 --> 01:14:54.860 - they're fine with the change and that's how change happens but it doesn't happen by somebody 01:14:54.860 --> 01:14:55.040 - sitting 01:14:55.040 --> 01:15:00.400 - somewhere else who doesn't live there making a decision for them that higher density will 01:15:00.400 --> 01:15:07.040 - benefit them somehow um and then they wake up one morning and find another student apartment 01:15:07.840 --> 01:15:15.920 - towering over their house um so um so county advise we follow this process that we're following now 01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:27.120 - and um the um again most of the properties are on septic um this is not vacant land that y'all can 01:15:27.120 --> 01:15:33.600 - sit uh you know outside of these neighborhoods and make a decision that they should be this that or 01:15:33.600 --> 01:15:41.840 - the other we are to me this is a reflection of what's there as close as possible um and again 01:15:41.840 --> 01:15:55.680 - non-conforming is i've lived on a non-conforming property for years decades uh never had a problem 01:15:55.680 --> 01:16:01.600 - um as a result of that and if you are adding onto your house you may have to add onto the back 01:16:01.600 --> 01:16:06.160 - instead of on the side we don't have and there's a lot of information we still don't have 01:16:06.160 --> 01:16:12.480 - and i appreciate what dr baten did with the impervious um service but again with the the next 01:16:12.480 --> 01:16:19.280 - piece that we're looking at doing again to continue to improve and correct the cdo 01:16:19.280 --> 01:16:27.840 - then all of that changes anyway so um and and again if your impervious surface is already there 01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:38.240 - it's a legal non-conforming impervious surface um so you won't run into difficulties um so with 01:16:38.240 --> 01:16:44.320 - this process neighbors can be alerted can be part of the process of changing their neighborhood if 01:16:44.320 --> 01:16:52.570 - they choose to do so instead of having it foisted upon them um from uh someone else also 01:16:52.570 --> 01:16:53.600 - recognizing 01:16:53.600 --> 01:17:07.040 - here we have a historic district um we have hobby farms we have a whole lot going on um so um i 01:17:07.040 --> 01:17:07.600 - just 01:17:07.600 --> 01:17:14.720 - um you know because right now somebody could come in purchase property put in a high density 01:17:14.720 --> 01:17:20.240 - apartment and it doesn't really fit right if you think like what would that look like well it doesn't 01:17:20.240 --> 01:17:31.940 - really fit now um i'm you know perfectly okay with um keeping these exemptions um which is one 01:17:31.940 --> 01:17:32.400 - parcel 01:17:32.400 --> 01:17:42.070 - but it's multiple addresses 717 to 725 south analee lane um i'm perfectly okay doing that um but it 01:17:42.070 --> 01:17:42.640 - is 01:17:42.640 --> 01:17:49.600 - already historic so it's not going to become something completely different anyway um and 01:17:49.600 --> 01:18:00.960 - it allows that um that property to conform more closely um with what's there um so that's where 01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:07.840 - i'm at on this i think this is a good move i think this is you know obviously something i had hope 01:18:07.840 --> 01:18:08.080 - we 01:18:08.080 --> 01:18:16.000 - had done during the cdo process and hadn't um so that's where i'm at so uh since we are the 01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:24.160 - petitioner let's go ahead and hear um from folks who are uh supportive of this petition if you 01:18:24.160 --> 01:18:24.400 - would 01:18:24.400 --> 01:18:30.800 - um please come to the podium in the natu hill room or raise your hand on teams 01:18:30.800 --> 01:18:38.160 - we'll take the podium first does anybody here wish to speak in favor of this petition 01:18:41.200 --> 01:18:46.560 - please give us your name and county of residence and um we do ask you try to limit your comments 01:18:46.560 --> 01:18:53.680 - to three minutes per person thank you my name is delores brinniger i live at 621 south analee lane 01:18:53.680 --> 01:18:57.840 - i actually grew up in that house moved back there when my husband passed away 01:18:57.840 --> 01:19:06.320 - it's a very quiet neighborhood very narrow streets very little sidewalk and i'm off for 01:19:06.320 --> 01:19:13.120 - going to where you're going for the residence thank you so much i appreciate you being here 01:19:13.120 --> 01:19:17.920 - and being patient through our sitting through the rest of our meeting but that's you know you get 01:19:17.920 --> 01:19:26.720 - no problem all right thank you all right um it looks like we have uh comments uh commenter online 01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:36.720 - um tst if you could make that happen 01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:49.200 - third one down i think it's that one right there 01:19:49.200 --> 01:20:03.760 - can you see that inch good sir i guess uh susan 01:20:11.680 --> 01:20:22.560 - miss brackney are you there 01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:29.680 - okay well we can come back to her is there anyone else who wishes to speak 01:20:29.680 --> 01:20:37.680 - in favor of this petition in the net you hilbrim can you hear me now ah yes if you don't mind 01:20:37.680 --> 01:20:45.520 - thank you uh yes thank you miss brackney sorry about that i would have been there in person but 01:20:45.520 --> 01:20:54.720 - i'm a little bit under the weather so um uh my name is susan brackney i'm a property owner in the 01:20:54.720 --> 01:21:05.360 - sunset hill area i do support this rezone um for several reasons for those of you who aren't 01:21:05.360 --> 01:21:13.760 - familiar with the area it is environmentally sensitive and historically significant you can 01:21:13.760 --> 01:21:24.160 - think of it as a depression era working class village its residents worked in nearby quarries 01:21:25.760 --> 01:21:36.000 - in many of minero county's now defunct factories additionally the properties were originally set up 01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:46.400 - to accommodate supplemental or incidental farming and livestock multiple homes in the area are part 01:21:46.400 --> 01:21:54.800 - of the historic preservation overlay as you see um and still other homes in the area are included 01:21:54.800 --> 01:22:03.600 - as contributing in the indiana historic sites and structures inventory database but in addition to 01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:10.960 - the age and architectural styles of many of the sunset hill homes there's a vernacular landscape 01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:19.760 - that is important to consider um as a site as a whole the relation in this site consists of the 01:22:19.760 --> 01:22:26.720 - way the houses were positioned on the land the fact that the lots are comparatively large and 01:22:26.720 --> 01:22:35.520 - there is a back 40 for each home this was neither accidental nor coincidental it's an intentional 01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:44.160 - relationship which enabled sunset hills original working class residents and frankly as well as 01:22:44.160 --> 01:22:53.680 - many of its current residents to farm incidentally or supplementally um it's also worth noting that 01:22:53.680 --> 01:23:01.280 - in early september i completed a request for determination of eligibility for the national 01:23:01.280 --> 01:23:08.160 - register of historic places and the indiana register of historic sites and structures 01:23:10.320 --> 01:23:18.560 - and in mid-september the assistant director of preservation services with that body at the dnr 01:23:18.560 --> 01:23:27.120 - contacted me to say quote we believe the district meets the criteria for inclusion in the state and 01:23:27.120 --> 01:23:34.720 - national registers so that doesn't mean that it it's a green lit done deal it just means that 01:23:34.720 --> 01:23:41.200 - we have more work to do um but we are moving forward with the next steps to apply for inclusion 01:23:41.200 --> 01:23:48.320 - in both of those registers and that's for that kind of that whole area doing so doesn't cause 01:23:48.320 --> 01:23:56.640 - any um undue hardship for the residents it it at least in theory could open them up just to have 01:23:56.640 --> 01:24:02.240 - some grants and funds and stuff if those things are even available down the road i don't know but 01:24:02.880 --> 01:24:10.480 - um but anyway there's a lot of good reasons to to support this and uh and that's that's all i just 01:24:10.480 --> 01:24:16.400 - wanted to go on the record as giving some of those reasons thank you thank you so much 01:24:16.400 --> 01:24:20.800 - uh anyone else wish to speak in favor of this petition 01:24:20.800 --> 01:24:30.960 - rarely on the side of the microphone so thank you very much and i'd like to thank you for 01:24:30.960 --> 01:24:38.560 - um this thoughtful rezone of um the neighborhoods that you have described i referred to them 01:24:38.560 --> 01:24:45.520 - as annexation areas three and four because they are what the city kind of has called islands 01:24:45.520 --> 01:24:52.080 - although um that because they're surrounded completely by the municipality that being said 01:24:52.080 --> 01:24:59.520 - these are distinct neighborhoods and um one of the aspects about my service as president of the 01:24:59.520 --> 01:25:07.120 - monroe county plan commission and of the monroe county board of zoning appeals and as a citizen 01:25:07.120 --> 01:25:13.680 - planner from that is recognized by the american planning association one of the aspects of my 01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:22.320 - service that i'm most proud of is how county leadership listens to the people in these areas 01:25:22.320 --> 01:25:33.280 - you know uh 66 of the people in annexation area three which is the baby farms area and 71 of the 01:25:33.280 --> 01:25:41.200 - people property owners in annexation area four which is sunset hills have remonstrated successfully 01:25:41.200 --> 01:25:49.840 - against involuntary annexation they have expressed their will to remain as they are and not become 01:25:49.840 --> 01:25:56.240 - part of the city and i think that they have an identity i know they have an identity because 01:25:56.240 --> 01:26:01.680 - i've spent a lot of time in both of those neighborhoods i've spoken with the neighbors 01:26:01.680 --> 01:26:08.800 - i've gotten to know people from that involvement people i cherish and they have spoken that they 01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:16.960 - would really value remaining as they are they live in single-family homes without a shared wall 01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:24.160 - they have large lots it they are what peter dorfman refers to as naturally occurring 01:26:24.160 --> 01:26:31.680 - affordable housing it for all of the lip service given to affordable housing these two areas 01:26:31.680 --> 01:26:41.280 - are two areas where that's actually feasible within a somewhat of a proximity to the municipal area 01:26:42.640 --> 01:26:48.720 - i think there's an over estimation by people who live in the city of bloomington to think 01:26:48.720 --> 01:26:56.720 - of themselves and the community where they live inside the city as more valuable to the people who 01:26:56.720 --> 01:27:04.880 - are not necessarily involved with the university than it truly is and these people um have farms 01:27:04.880 --> 01:27:12.240 - they can vegetables that they grow on their lots they uh have a value for each other they are 01:27:12.240 --> 01:27:18.160 - neighbors to each other they take people to doctor's appointments as they age they check 01:27:18.160 --> 01:27:26.320 - in on each other they have chickens they lay eggs on the chickens lay eggs and uh i'm very moved 01:27:26.320 --> 01:27:34.880 - to find this type of community in our larger broader area and i'm also very proud that 01:27:34.880 --> 01:27:43.120 - monroe county listens to the people now uh this area had been previously intended for annexation 01:27:43.120 --> 01:27:49.280 - that annexation never took place and um as someone who is certified by the american planning 01:27:49.280 --> 01:27:55.120 - association as a citizen planner it's just a lot simpler for everybody if we go ahead 01:27:55.120 --> 01:28:02.730 - and rectify the code to what is currently existing and um and i think that this is i commend also 01:28:02.730 --> 01:28:02.800 - the 01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:10.320 - commissioners for bringing this to our attention this way acknowledging that it was an oversight 01:28:10.320 --> 01:28:17.200 - and taking care of it in this uh administrative manner so i uh i'm in favor of this i think it's 01:28:17.200 --> 01:28:23.920 - important to do i think it's important because of the fragile landscape and i um i think it's 01:28:23.920 --> 01:28:31.280 - important for a way of life and preservation of affordable housing so thank you very much 01:28:31.280 --> 01:28:38.240 - for your efforts in this regard thank you i thank you again for your service appreciate you thank 01:28:38.240 --> 01:28:38.400 - you 01:28:38.400 --> 01:28:51.840 - morning i'm roger steward i don't live in that area but i did at one time i kind of stand here 01:28:51.840 --> 01:29:00.720 - uh representing the fathers and mothers that live there when i lived there and how i witnessed 01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:08.720 - uh those working people doing their jobs coming home and taking care of their families 01:29:08.720 --> 01:29:12.320 - and uh and taking care of their properties 01:29:12.320 --> 01:29:21.680 - uh i'm in favor of this rezone for area three in the sunset hill and area four the maple 01:29:21.840 --> 01:29:28.960 - grove baby farms neighborhood i kind of like to see the homeowners have the right to live in these 01:29:28.960 --> 01:29:34.000 - neighborhoods without the worry of multi-family structures being constructed in the future 01:29:34.000 --> 01:29:46.000 - they are affordable homes uh and this is a these neighborhoods uh as i said earlier it was was 01:29:47.760 --> 01:29:51.920 - in fact the home i lived in i think's over 100 years old still standing 01:29:51.920 --> 01:29:59.600 - when i grew up there there was probably 20 kids on my road 20 kids in the neighborhood trailer park 01:29:59.600 --> 01:30:06.400 - and and d's place over in an alien land it was probably 23 kids about 60 kids in that 01:30:06.400 --> 01:30:15.840 - in that one uh sunset hill area a lot of uh baby boomers so to speak but everybody got along 01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:20.080 - everybody worked as margaret said people had gardens some of them had chickens some of them 01:30:20.080 --> 01:30:27.920 - had a cow or what have you but uh if almost if not all those homes are still standing 01:30:27.920 --> 01:30:35.840 - and many are approaching it if not already over 100 years old these areas have stood to test the 01:30:35.840 --> 01:30:42.800 - time and i think we need to continue that test i like to take a minute and thank the commissioners 01:30:42.800 --> 01:30:52.960 - for their work and correcting this zoning oversight if you have any questions okay appreciate that 01:30:52.960 --> 01:31:07.040 - in favor of uh this petition please come to the podium surveyor and right randall well i'm here to 01:31:07.920 --> 01:31:14.400 - speak neutral um but i wanted to come up here maybe before you ask for opposition sure okay 01:31:14.400 --> 01:31:22.400 - so this is a good time so really i came to kind of um clarify just a bit of uh some of the 01:31:22.400 --> 01:31:22.960 - discussion 01:31:22.960 --> 01:31:29.040 - that was at the work session so um my name is tron inwright randolph i'm the elected minro county 01:31:29.040 --> 01:31:35.920 - surveyor um on the county website you can go to the surveyor page and you can find the 01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:36.960 - responsibilities 01:31:36.960 --> 01:31:45.120 - of the surveyor's office that has a large list of things that was helped put together by the county 01:31:45.120 --> 01:31:53.780 - surveyor association of indiana um and then within that you can also see some of my statutory 01:31:53.780 --> 01:31:54.240 - duties 01:31:54.240 --> 01:32:03.120 - under indiana code title 36 article 2 chapter 12 section 135 that stipulate my charge of the 01:32:03.120 --> 01:32:10.400 - perpetuation effort of the county so that does intel surveying work because we do have the ability 01:32:10.400 --> 01:32:16.480 - to do boundary perpetuation surveys with a professional surveyor but that does not include 01:32:16.480 --> 01:32:23.920 - private surveying private property so it's very complicated in nature and i actually deal with a 01:32:23.920 --> 01:32:29.600 - bit of uncertainty and uh things that are pretty ambiguous so i just really wanted to clarify for 01:32:29.600 --> 01:32:35.920 - the public that my charge is not to go out there and survey out individual properties and 01:32:35.920 --> 01:32:36.480 - understand 01:32:36.480 --> 01:32:43.280 - how they conform with certain compliances and setbacks i do serve on the minero county plan 01:32:43.280 --> 01:32:49.520 - commission but i'm not here to advocate kind of my position there i'm just here to really make sure 01:32:49.520 --> 01:32:56.000 - that the public is aware of my charge and my duties some of my core functions is the public land 01:32:56.000 --> 01:33:02.320 - surveying system in the gis within the county i'm very happy that planning is working with my 01:33:02.320 --> 01:33:03.120 - office 01:33:03.120 --> 01:33:08.880 - and the gis coordinator to figure out better ways to do calculations of impervious surface 01:33:08.880 --> 01:33:16.640 - we're also working with the auditor's office to help improve the representation of parcel lines 01:33:16.640 --> 01:33:22.000 - so i have just a bit of information i'd like to share too because this compelled me to kind of 01:33:22.000 --> 01:33:27.360 - just dig in a little bit because i could address these questions but again i'm going to read this 01:33:27.360 --> 01:33:32.720 - disclaimer so you understand why this isn't concrete information and why planning has certain 01:33:32.720 --> 01:33:38.640 - provisions where they do ask for surveys so they really have clear under case indication of if 01:33:38.640 --> 01:33:43.760 - things are in compliance or not so the disclaimer i'm going to say is the gis disclaimer minero 01:33:43.760 --> 01:33:48.560 - county does not warrant or guarantee the accuracy of the information contained herein and i have a 01:33:48.560 --> 01:33:57.440 - map so uh it contains herein and disclaims any and all liability resulting from any error or 01:33:57.440 --> 01:34:02.800 - emission in this map the lines and corners represented by gis do not represent legal 01:34:02.800 --> 01:34:09.600 - boundaries users should not rely on them for any purpose other than a low accuracy approximation 01:34:09.600 --> 01:34:15.840 - of location or lines or corners they are of limited precision and are simply geographic 01:34:15.840 --> 01:34:22.400 - representation so with that said i did run some analysis and i did um do a couple selects by 01:34:22.400 --> 01:34:31.200 - locations so parcel lines you know in uh being in 2018 uh did uh building footprints um so anything 01:34:31.200 --> 01:34:36.880 - that has expanded since 2018 doesn't really fall in this but i think it gives us a good baseline 01:34:36.880 --> 01:34:43.200 - as you can tell planning does use gis to kind of have certain understandings and then they go 01:34:43.200 --> 01:34:48.000 - from there to make sure that they are requesting what they need to make a very informed decision 01:34:48.000 --> 01:34:57.600 - with that analysis uh 64 out of 105 parcels fell within 10 foot so that's the setback but 01:34:57.600 --> 01:35:03.920 - to be fair i did the five foot with the uh district that they're in and it's about half that so we're 01:35:03.920 --> 01:35:10.160 - already going to see issues with if it remains the same or if this gets approved and it changes 01:35:10.160 --> 01:35:16.640 - so i wanted to make sure that i'm telling a whole complete story and i'm not just trying to present 01:35:16.640 --> 01:35:24.720 - information that really kind of you know might boister one side or the other 89 out of the 98 01:35:24.720 --> 01:35:33.120 - which i know is 100 which is another outlier of using gis i did talk with drew and he did 01:35:33.120 --> 01:35:40.880 - recognize the one that wasn't part of it but from the analysis i had 89 out of 98 don't meet the 01:35:40.880 --> 01:35:46.640 - minimum lot size but again that might not be an issue i did some calculations with impervious 01:35:46.640 --> 01:35:50.640 - surface but there's a lot of things in motion to address that and relieve that concern and i 01:35:50.640 --> 01:35:56.160 - applaud the commissioners and i applaud the planning office uh to address those and continue 01:35:56.160 --> 01:36:02.560 - to move those forward um thank you um i hope i didn't go over my time or maybe i wasn't being 01:36:02.560 --> 01:36:09.760 - timed and i just really want to make sure that everyone's aware of my duty my charge and my 01:36:09.760 --> 01:36:17.120 - intentiveness to the impacts on the county and whenever i can provide a service i do my utmost 01:36:17.120 --> 01:36:25.520 - to provide that service um enjoy the rest of the day thank you i think it's it's just been a um 01:36:26.640 --> 01:36:34.720 - long-standing frustration for residents who look at the gis map and you know the lines going 01:36:34.720 --> 01:36:34.880 - through 01:36:34.880 --> 01:36:41.600 - their house or whatever and um and it's just it's just um a functionality of putting on a flat 01:36:41.600 --> 01:36:50.560 - screen something that's on a slightly rounded part of the earth um but um if if somebody is going 01:36:50.560 --> 01:36:50.720 - to 01:36:50.720 --> 01:36:58.800 - call for hey we really don't know this well if you could find that out that's a good thing so 01:36:58.800 --> 01:37:08.480 - um i appreciate that dr bayton did the um impervious uh study um that was helpful um from 01:37:08.480 --> 01:37:16.240 - the gis office so thank you um anyone else have comment in support 01:37:18.800 --> 01:37:30.560 - anyone wish to speak in opposition to this petition 01:37:30.560 --> 01:37:41.650 - good morning commissioners this is christopher mg on behalf the greater bloomington chamber of 01:37:41.650 --> 01:37:42.320 - commerce 01:37:42.320 --> 01:37:47.920 - um the proposal before you on downsizing the sunset hill and maple grove baby farm areas we 01:37:48.560 --> 01:37:54.880 - uh oppose this ordinance change these rezonings are unnecessary reduce housing capacity in very 01:37:54.880 --> 01:38:00.000 - urbanized areas hinder economic growth and really conflict with the county's own long-term 01:38:00.000 --> 01:38:05.440 - developmental goals and it seems to be based on a 30 year old mindset clouded by annexation as we 01:38:05.440 --> 01:38:11.760 - heard from ms clemens earlier um and what i've learned more and more about this process it's 01:38:11.760 --> 01:38:17.120 - gotten more and more complicated where it's hard to figure out i needed some sort of decoder wheel 01:38:17.120 --> 01:38:21.840 - to sort of figure out what's included what's not and i don't you know i heard from the neighbors 01:38:21.840 --> 01:38:25.920 - today which i do appreciate i've been on their side of the aisle which i'll talk to a little bit 01:38:25.920 --> 01:38:31.520 - but you know it's not what's happening now is not going to change their quality of life it's not 01:38:31.520 --> 01:38:38.800 - going to push them out of their homes um i can recall this happening and um as a perry township 01:38:38.800 --> 01:38:45.200 - resident in uh sunny slopes where i live where the echo park apartments came in and i spoke out 01:38:45.200 --> 01:38:48.960 - against it it was too large it was going to cause this it was going to cause that 10 years later 01:38:48.960 --> 01:38:55.920 - i was wrong it i was completely it didn't cause any of the issues that we brought up probably even 01:38:55.920 --> 01:39:00.880 - enhance the neighborhood and this would be something that probably most of you would be against on 01:39:00.880 --> 01:39:00.880 - a 01:39:00.880 --> 01:39:09.840 - multi-family basis but this is this is a solution looking for a problem um i appreciate everybody's 01:39:09.840 --> 01:39:16.320 - comments on this but it really forecloses on some of uh opportunities to be creative with this land 01:39:16.320 --> 01:39:21.440 - and you know really look forward with something that we could do with it instead of sort of 01:39:21.440 --> 01:39:29.440 - being stuck in the past where we're not moving forward on it i mean i'll probably spend a little 01:39:29.440 --> 01:39:33.920 - bit time later on to sort of discussing i think the complications of getting variances for doing 01:39:33.920 --> 01:39:39.840 - any little thing with your property um other urban growth and some other things but i think at this 01:39:39.840 --> 01:39:47.120 - time i think i've said enough thank you very much thank you anyone else wish to speak in opposition 01:39:47.120 --> 01:39:53.920 - it looks like there's a hand raised online but i cannot see the information i'm going to log in 01:39:54.640 --> 01:40:06.640 - keep doing this a t s d it looks like there's a hand raised um nancy jones 01:40:06.640 --> 01:40:19.120 - yes uh can you hear me yes we can okay my name is nancy jones i'm a bloomington resident bloomington 01:40:19.120 --> 01:40:28.160 - native and i'd like to speak in support of the resolution and to just echo the statements by 01:40:28.160 --> 01:40:36.960 - president clements and others in support of this um largely and and the comment i want to make is 01:40:36.960 --> 01:40:43.760 - i don't think this is a an issue of nostalgia i think one of the uh the county has an interest 01:40:43.760 --> 01:40:51.200 - in supporting the wishes of the residents um and that this uh this land is theirs 01:40:51.200 --> 01:40:59.920 - and that they have the right that changing the that not changing it back not changing it to a 01:40:59.920 --> 01:41:09.520 - um downzoning the uh the two uh districts in question um would really undermine i think the 01:41:09.520 --> 01:41:19.360 - the great uh goal here which is to uh support uh long-term uh residential use patterns 01:41:19.360 --> 01:41:26.560 - that have been very um as we said a form of natural affordable housing 01:41:26.560 --> 01:41:33.780 - and i think those reasons were clearly articulated um i think it's in the county's interest to 01:41:33.780 --> 01:41:34.160 - support 01:41:35.040 --> 01:41:43.680 - the kind of use pattern that supports long-term residency and long-term uh residential ownership 01:41:43.680 --> 01:41:50.960 - that that is my chief uh comment at this point thank you all right thank you so much so we'll 01:41:50.960 --> 01:41:58.560 - log that as a point of uh support uh anyone else wish to speak on this item either for or against 01:41:58.560 --> 01:42:05.760 - if you haven't had an opportunity 01:42:05.760 --> 01:42:19.760 - get hand raised 01:42:19.760 --> 01:42:24.480 - oh is it still there okay perfect thank you 01:42:26.800 --> 01:42:34.080 - all right uh so um well i'll start with um commissioner um jones did you have 01:42:34.080 --> 01:42:40.640 - anything you wanted to add or any other comments you wanted to make on this particular item 01:42:40.640 --> 01:42:50.480 - yes i do want to comment on the agricultural nature of this area and in 01:42:52.480 --> 01:42:59.680 - times coming up urban agriculture is going to become more and more significant and important 01:42:59.680 --> 01:43:08.080 - we cannot always count on having food shipped off from all over the world to 01:43:08.080 --> 01:43:16.800 - get to us we a time may come when we actually need to be able to look locally 01:43:17.840 --> 01:43:23.840 - to sustain ourselves and places like this could become very relevant for that 01:43:23.840 --> 01:43:34.560 - and i just i i am concerned that people are not paying enough attention to the need to support 01:43:34.560 --> 01:43:42.720 - this kind of local agriculture thank you that's really insightful i appreciate that 01:43:43.520 --> 01:43:49.600 - commissioner madera do you have any comments you wish to make um yes i very much appreciate all 01:43:49.600 --> 01:43:53.840 - that i have heard thank you so much for your thoughtful testimony and you've given us a lot 01:43:53.840 --> 01:44:02.160 - to chew on um and i will also go back and think uh the the residents who were able to attend the 01:44:02.160 --> 01:44:10.400 - um planning commission meeting who who logged their commentary um for and against and i think 01:44:11.200 --> 01:44:15.360 - asked some good questions and i think those have been addressed now by staff 01:44:15.360 --> 01:44:25.120 - i really think that one of the key points here and i think commissioner jones is onto something is 01:44:25.120 --> 01:44:33.360 - you know you can't you can't have been addressed now by you can't build your way out of 01:44:34.880 --> 01:44:45.040 - um the the necessity to sustain a community and more building is not going to be 01:44:45.040 --> 01:44:55.600 - more affordable um and because even if just throwing this out there but even if uh someone 01:44:55.600 --> 01:45:05.920 - were to buy um significant acreage and put um what are the infamous paired patio homes or 01:45:05.920 --> 01:45:12.160 - whatnot on them they're certainly going to end up costing much more than the homes that are there 01:45:12.160 --> 01:45:21.680 - which have a historic value and yes that's a subjective thing a historic value the agricultural 01:45:21.680 --> 01:45:32.880 - value the neighborhood ties the um the way this community obviously has um a great um advocate for 01:45:32.880 --> 01:45:38.720 - historic preservation and and hopefully will become state and federally recognized in the very near 01:45:38.720 --> 01:45:47.440 - future if they even do that anymore who knows but um you know uh but but i do think that there are 01:45:47.440 --> 01:45:47.520 - a 01:45:47.520 --> 01:45:54.720 - lot of opportunities here and um and to the agricultural side of course you can do farm stands 01:45:54.720 --> 01:46:06.960 - in res one which is nice so um but um i really um do think that you know change may come if the 01:46:06.960 --> 01:46:14.480 - city decides they want to provide sewer if if if change may come and but but i think what this does 01:46:14.480 --> 01:46:21.280 - is it says the residents will have the opportunity to say at that moment whatever moment that is 01:46:21.280 --> 01:46:26.560 - yes we want to change we want to see a change in our neighborhood no we we want to have high 01:46:26.560 --> 01:46:27.120 - density 01:46:27.120 --> 01:46:34.560 - housing whatever it might look like um but those residents at that moment are the ones who should 01:46:34.560 --> 01:46:44.880 - decide not city planners from 1990 whatever it was uh so it really puts the control back into 01:46:44.880 --> 01:46:52.000 - the hands of the residents recognizing what's there uh so with that uh i'm going to go ahead 01:46:52.000 --> 01:47:01.440 - and call for a vote on ordinance uh 2025-11 miss turner king if you would please call the roll 01:47:02.800 --> 01:47:09.600 - certainly and for clarity this is ordinance 2025-11 which rezones the 100 parcels and 01:47:09.600 --> 01:47:15.360 - doesn't exempt any ah no i will i will go ahead i didn't realize i had to go ahead and do that 01:47:15.360 --> 01:47:25.920 - because this is part of the um resolution that came out of um the plan commission so um that 01:47:25.920 --> 01:47:39.520 - would be to follow um uh this recommendation from the plan commission and exempt the single parcel 01:47:39.520 --> 01:47:47.200 - which carries the addresses of 717 south annalee lane to 725 south annalee lane 01:47:49.200 --> 01:47:56.080 - thank you you're welcome and so this is a a roll call on ordinance 2025-11 now exempting those 01:47:56.080 --> 01:48:05.840 - parcels commissioner jones yes commissioner madera no commissioner thomas yes motion passes to one 01:48:05.840 --> 01:48:14.800 - okay thank you um next item please i would like to call to approve ordinance 2025-12 the maple 01:48:14.800 --> 01:48:25.460 - grove baby vote farms rezone i will second that um mr smith if you would share with us those 01:48:25.460 --> 01:48:25.920 - aspects 01:48:25.920 --> 01:48:33.200 - that are different from what um mr meyers addressed already in the other uh ordinance that might 01:48:33.200 --> 01:48:36.240 - make your life a little easier but it's up to you 01:48:42.240 --> 01:48:47.200 - yeah absolutely um just doing a mic test are you able to hear me yes 01:48:47.200 --> 01:48:58.880 - okay um so this is again the maple grove baby farms area um so there are a total of 138 parcels 01:48:58.880 --> 01:49:08.400 - uh 132 after we uh factor out the duplicate parcels um so it's the same request as the 01:49:08.400 --> 01:49:13.840 - sunset hills so this is a rezone request from high development residential to residential one 01:49:13.840 --> 01:49:20.880 - the purpose to preserve the overall character of the area this contains older neighborhoods there's 01:49:20.880 --> 01:49:26.320 - presence of singles cars features as well as a number of existing homes that don't have access 01:49:26.320 --> 01:49:32.320 - to sewer but we will note that this particular request does not include historic preservation 01:49:32.320 --> 01:49:39.680 - so there will not be a discussion on that topic this request was also made at the same time as a 01:49:39.680 --> 01:49:47.360 - sunset hill rezone request planning staff you know just to note we did send out uh 99 property 01:49:47.360 --> 01:49:52.240 - notice or property owner notice letters and 142 neighbor notice letters for this rezone 01:49:52.240 --> 01:50:01.040 - so everybody in the area was notified and then access to the site uh derives from west third 01:50:01.040 --> 01:50:05.920 - street so south fairfield drive south kimball drive and south johnson avenue are the three 01:50:05.920 --> 01:50:10.640 - main intersecting streets and they all derive access from the west third street 01:50:10.640 --> 01:50:19.200 - and then i have a image on the screen which just kind of details the overall area and then 01:50:19.200 --> 01:50:24.880 - on the right hand side the hd zoning those are all the zones that are affected by this rezone 01:50:24.880 --> 01:50:25.280 - request 01:50:25.280 --> 01:50:36.400 - i drew went through this uh background discussion board post so i can always 01:50:36.400 --> 01:50:43.200 - revisit this and uh restate um sort of the same talking points if the commissioners would like 01:50:43.200 --> 01:50:45.360 - but i will go ahead and continue 01:50:45.360 --> 01:50:55.040 - so just a little bit of an analysis so if we um are measuring the lot size of all the parcels 01:50:55.040 --> 01:51:00.640 - so the residential one zoning district has a minimum lot size of one acre so for the maple 01:51:00.640 --> 01:51:07.120 - grove baby farms when it's all said and done approximately 82 percent of the parcels are less 01:51:07.120 --> 01:51:13.600 - than an acre 18 percent are greater than an acre but we'll note that in the residential one zoning 01:51:13.600 --> 01:51:20.480 - district the minimum lot size is not an issue so long as all other design standards have been met 01:51:23.360 --> 01:51:29.600 - again the same information as a sunset hills rezone request um just a table stating what 01:51:29.600 --> 01:51:37.520 - the character and the intended purpose of each zoning district is for design standards also the 01:51:37.520 --> 01:51:50.320 - same uses also the same this is the site conditions and infrastructure maps that i have so on the 01:51:50.320 --> 01:51:50.560 - left 01:51:50.560 --> 01:51:58.480 - hand side apologize for the colors it's not as quite clear on the screen but essentially there 01:51:58.480 --> 01:52:06.240 - there is sewer available to specific properties so not all properties in the maple grove baby 01:52:06.240 --> 01:52:14.720 - farms area actually have access to sewer it's only select parcels which i will get into later in 01:52:14.720 --> 01:52:14.800 - the 01:52:14.800 --> 01:52:21.600 - presentation and then on the right hand side of the screen you'll notice the blue overlay color 01:52:21.600 --> 01:52:25.200 - that indicates the area that's within the clear creek watershed 01:52:25.200 --> 01:52:35.760 - comprehensive plan discussion is the same as the sunset hills rezone 01:52:35.760 --> 01:52:42.480 - again it's also an urban infill neighborhood 01:52:43.440 --> 01:52:49.280 - um i do also have a slide on the non-conformities um whether they're used structure or lots 01:52:49.280 --> 01:52:53.680 - i will actually maybe come back to this slide in a moment 01:52:53.680 --> 01:53:05.670 - i did want to use the property 101 south fairfield drive as an example of what uh what we mean by 01:53:05.670 --> 01:53:06.320 - what 01:53:06.320 --> 01:53:12.880 - uh non-conformity is so this uh particular property was issued a building permit in 2014 01:53:12.880 --> 01:53:21.360 - for 43 units i did want to point out that even if it does retain its hd zoning um this actually 01:53:21.360 --> 01:53:29.360 - exceeds the number of units that would otherwise be allowed um outright under the zoning district 01:53:30.160 --> 01:53:36.640 - outright under the zoning district so we did some calculations and approximately 01:53:36.640 --> 01:53:46.400 - if this were proposed today they could have 22 units in total so i'd also wanted to point out 01:53:46.400 --> 01:53:51.440 - that multifamily developments of more than 30 units on a lot are actually subject to 01:53:51.440 --> 01:53:58.080 - planning commission approval so this kind of goes back to that you know non-conforming so 01:53:58.080 --> 01:54:03.280 - maybe not necessarily the law itself is non-conforming but maybe it's the use 01:54:03.280 --> 01:54:08.320 - that's not conforming because it would actually exceed the number of multifamily units allowed 01:54:08.320 --> 01:54:19.360 - on the property dr john bateman did an excellent job of providing us with some analysis of the 01:54:19.360 --> 01:54:26.720 - non-conformity so specifically for baby farms uh maple grove baby farms approximately 71 percent 01:54:26.720 --> 01:54:33.520 - of the properties were conforming to the impervious standard in the res zone if we were to retain 01:54:33.520 --> 01:54:33.680 - the 01:54:33.680 --> 01:54:42.240 - hd zoning all but one parcel was conforming to that standard and i do have some addresses on the 01:54:42.240 --> 01:54:50.390 - screen these were part of the planning commission's approval to the board of commissioners to 01:54:50.390 --> 01:54:51.200 - exclude 01:54:51.760 --> 01:55:00.330 - so we did like a quick analysis of each of these properties so 101 south fairfield was 01:55:00.330 --> 01:55:01.120 - approximately 01:55:01.120 --> 01:55:11.280 - 54 impervious cover so that would well exceed the res zoning standards the next property at west 01:55:11.280 --> 01:55:19.680 - evergreen was approximately 60 percent 415 north kimble was approximately 40 percent and 215 north 01:55:19.680 --> 01:55:27.520 - johnson was approximately 60 percent and then we have some significant significantly lower 01:55:27.520 --> 01:55:28.640 - percentages 01:55:28.640 --> 01:55:35.200 - for the remainder of the properties that were included in that request so 325 north johnson was 01:55:35.200 --> 01:55:43.360 - approximately 15 percent 2312 west baumont was approximately 13 percent and then 120 south kimble 01:55:43.360 --> 01:55:50.960 - was approximately 25 percent all of these calculations you know these are done on the gis 01:55:50.960 --> 01:55:57.680 - visually but also using that parcel improvement data that the assessor office maintains and then 01:55:57.680 --> 01:56:02.480 - of course to reiterate what drew had already mentioned the planning commission is considering 01:56:02.480 --> 01:56:12.400 - an amendment to the impervious cover maximums so you know for example if what is currently drafted 01:56:12.400 --> 01:56:21.680 - if it were to be changed to be approximately 30 percent of the lot size you may see the last three 01:56:21.680 --> 01:56:31.600 - addresses mentioned they might actually become conforming so i do have a graph just to kind of 01:56:31.600 --> 01:56:36.800 - illustrate what this looks like so on the left hand side we have the res if this were to be 01:56:37.760 --> 01:56:44.480 - proposed as is you know approximately 71 percent of those parcels would be conforming to the 01:56:44.480 --> 01:56:50.400 - impervious cover and 29 would be non-conforming and then on the right hand side we have the hd 01:56:50.400 --> 01:56:50.640 - where 01:56:50.640 --> 01:56:57.920 - 99 percent of them would be conforming and about one percent would be non-conforming but as i just 01:56:57.920 --> 01:57:05.520 - mentioned there is a an amendment that's going through the process at the moment so if that were 01:57:05.520 --> 01:57:10.960 - to be increased you might see the red on the left hand side shrink significantly 01:57:10.960 --> 01:57:24.080 - these are letters of remonstrance that were also included in the packet so like the previous 01:57:24.080 --> 01:57:24.480 - petition 01:57:24.480 --> 01:57:30.560 - i won't spend too much time on these but i will at least go through them really quick with you 01:57:30.560 --> 01:57:32.560 - thank you 01:57:32.560 --> 01:57:43.680 - this letter did include some nice graphics so i also included those for the presentation 01:57:43.680 --> 01:57:54.480 - uh mr smith that letter relates to just to clarify uh the address of 101 south fairfield correct 01:57:57.360 --> 01:58:01.760 - correct and they they also included 111 north kimball but yeah 01:58:01.760 --> 01:58:14.240 - thank you um i also included some other letters of remonstrance um some of these uh i should say 01:58:14.240 --> 01:58:21.680 - most of these did not include addresses or parcel numbers so i'm not entirely sure which they are 01:58:21.680 --> 01:58:29.920 - referring to but they otherwise uh expressed their um opposition 01:58:47.520 --> 01:58:54.320 - this uh particular remonstrance is referring to the 215 north johnson avenue property 01:58:54.320 --> 01:59:06.080 - now i turn to letters of support 01:59:06.080 --> 01:59:16.560 - i don't believe this particular uh letter of support included 01:59:17.520 --> 01:59:21.520 - a specific location but nonetheless did want to voice their support 01:59:21.520 --> 01:59:35.280 - and then this is a letter just generally supporting both rezoning requests as they're presented 01:59:35.280 --> 01:59:45.520 - so the planning commission did vote six to two to afford a positive recommendation to 01:59:45.520 --> 01:59:51.200 - the minero county board of commissioners as presented by planning staff based on the petition's 01:59:51.200 --> 01:59:57.040 - compatibility with minero county comprehensive plan with the following condition so these are 01:59:57.040 --> 02:00:02.640 - the conditions that will include the properties that i mentioned earlier in the presentation so 02:00:02.640 --> 02:00:08.400 - to avoid creating non-conformities consideration should be given to the zoning of the following 02:00:08.400 --> 02:00:15.680 - pre-existing multifamily developments at 101 south fairfield drive 2542 west evergreen drive 02:00:15.680 --> 02:00:24.320 - 415 north kimball drive 215 north johnson avenue 325 north johnson avenue 2312 west baumont lane 02:00:24.320 --> 02:00:33.520 - and 120 south kimball drive does anybody have any questions thank you mr smith appreciate your 02:00:33.520 --> 02:00:41.760 - report and the information you provided comments or questions commissioner medeira i think my 02:00:41.760 --> 02:00:47.520 - comments and questions are pretty much reflective of what i said in the sunset hills i will note 02:00:47.520 --> 02:00:52.880 - that one of the things that i think communities go through when they grow are these kinds of 02:00:52.880 --> 02:00:58.560 - tensions and these kinds of conflicts and i very much appreciate the thoughtful way in which this 02:00:59.200 --> 02:01:05.280 - process was handled and the very intellectual and erudite contributions and on both sides of the 02:01:05.280 --> 02:01:10.000 - issue i did want to say something about the importance of supporting long-term residents 02:01:10.000 --> 02:01:15.760 - and there are only so many areas into which a city can grow and of course we know that these 02:01:15.760 --> 02:01:21.120 - are actually subject to litigation at the present time we also know that with the baby hills i'm 02:01:21.120 --> 02:01:26.480 - sorry maple grove baby farms rezone we have people who have purchased property in reliance 02:01:26.480 --> 02:01:32.960 - on the wish to develop at some point and that that's of a bit of concern to me so this property i 02:01:32.960 --> 02:01:39.680 - think is uh even one that i feel more conflicted about than sunset hills and of course it's bordered 02:01:39.680 --> 02:01:45.920 - by i-69 so i think when we think of the tensions you know there's uh the tensions between the 02:01:45.920 --> 02:01:50.720 - ability of residents to bind others outside their borders and to bind others in neighborhoods 02:01:50.720 --> 02:01:56.000 - outside their borders and that's always going to be uh up against tension with very very important 02:01:56.000 --> 02:02:00.720 - considerations like those mentioned by commissioner jones which is due regard for urban agriculture 02:02:00.720 --> 02:02:05.760 - which is the future of our community in the future of many other communities um and i would say 02:02:05.760 --> 02:02:05.920 - that 02:02:05.920 --> 02:02:10.720 - this process sort of reminds me when i go through and sit on it uh of that old operation game that 02:02:10.720 --> 02:02:17.360 - i play with my kids still and you know you go in to get like water on the knee or uh some facetious 02:02:17.360 --> 02:02:21.520 - parts of the body and if you have batteries in the game which actually we did not always have 02:02:21.520 --> 02:02:28.560 - in our game you know you touch one side and it goes you know and the red light lights up and so 02:02:28.560 --> 02:02:34.960 - i think that determining housing and zoning us basically in this community and many others that 02:02:34.960 --> 02:02:39.920 - are going through these kinds of growth struggles right now is a bit like the game of operation 02:02:39.920 --> 02:02:44.640 - because you try to see can we develop in this area or can we what should we do with this area 02:02:44.640 --> 02:02:50.320 - and no matter what else what you decide you're going to go up against one side or the other 02:02:50.320 --> 02:02:55.600 - and so but i think it's very important for both of those sides to have the ability to 02:02:55.600 --> 02:02:59.920 - buzz and to voice their concerns and i very much appreciate the thoughtful 02:02:59.920 --> 02:03:02.240 - and comprehensive way in which it's been done in this process. 02:03:02.240 --> 02:03:11.600 - Commissioner Jones comments or questions? I'll stand by what i said for the previous one. 02:03:11.600 --> 02:03:19.120 - I will as well and i appreciate Commissioner Madura's points you know the other issue is when 02:03:19.120 --> 02:03:24.320 - you look at this particular neighborhood and you look at the map people look at it and go like well 02:03:24.320 --> 02:03:28.960 - look at all that vacant land well a lot of the people who own a house on one piece of property 02:03:28.960 --> 02:03:35.680 - actually own the vacant lots adjoining i'm not sure why they're not combined for whatever reason 02:03:35.680 --> 02:03:44.770 - they're not that's an assessor question not a not a commissioner question but um you know that's 02:03:44.770 --> 02:03:44.960 - and 02:03:44.960 --> 02:03:55.200 - there are barns there are crops there are farm animals it is uh it's a cool place that's a very 02:03:55.200 --> 02:04:03.920 - cool place um so okay so um and also again we still have the sensitivities of the environment 02:04:03.920 --> 02:04:10.640 - the critical watershed this is a very critical watershed area as well and i'm not sure how much 02:04:10.640 --> 02:04:19.520 - it can take i will point out that yes indeed the apartments at 101 south fairfield are 02:04:19.520 --> 02:04:30.960 - um would not what are going to be are already non-conforming pre-existing entities i will also 02:04:30.960 --> 02:04:38.160 - know for the record that the mobile home parks very small mobile home parks are also pre-existing 02:04:38.160 --> 02:04:45.520 - non-conforming because we would under the cdo require that they produce and create a planned 02:04:45.520 --> 02:04:53.520 - unit development that includes a storm shelter which i hope they have um all right so uh let's 02:04:53.520 --> 02:05:03.520 - go ahead and see uh if there's any uh public comment um on the this petition um first we'll 02:05:03.520 --> 02:05:14.080 - hear from people who support this petition well once again i'm dr margaret clements i have a phd 02:05:14.080 --> 02:05:22.720 - in policy studies and policy analysis and um i'd like to address one common kind of fallacy 02:05:24.160 --> 02:05:33.360 - that keeps getting perpetuated and that's this idea of growth um bloomington population hasn't 02:05:33.360 --> 02:05:42.480 - really grown and uh we have we as government agents need to consider whether or not we're 02:05:42.480 --> 02:05:49.680 - pushing people away or pulling them in and i would argue that we've been pushing people away 02:05:50.400 --> 02:05:57.840 - we're not pulling them in and part of that is because of what we've done to the idea of 02:05:57.840 --> 02:06:06.400 - community annexation area three maple grove baby farms says it all it's it's an area where baby 02:06:06.400 --> 02:06:14.720 - farms are supposed to be um and those people have expressed quite vociferously and on repeated 02:06:14.720 --> 02:06:21.920 - occasions that they would like to be less dense and supporting long-term residents should be a 02:06:21.920 --> 02:06:30.480 - goal of our government and i share that goal to support long-term residents in preparation for 02:06:30.480 --> 02:06:36.000 - this meeting and for this discussion i have telephoned many of the people that i had spoken 02:06:36.000 --> 02:06:43.920 - with in annexation area three in this maple grove baby farm area and they are so appreciative of 02:06:43.920 --> 02:06:54.480 - county government considering their wishes so that they don't feel so harassed by city development 02:06:54.480 --> 02:07:02.080 - goals so i um they don't share the city development goals they were not involved in the discussions 02:07:02.080 --> 02:07:08.720 - for city development goals the city development goals may not serve them and they at least say 02:07:08.720 --> 02:07:13.920 - that they don't serve them and i would say in order for the city of bloomington to be relevant 02:07:13.920 --> 02:07:20.640 - to these people and to long-term residents there's a lot more discussion that needs to take place 02:07:20.640 --> 02:07:28.560 - and it hasn't happened yet so i urge you to adopt this down zone and to respect the will of the 02:07:28.560 --> 02:07:40.000 - long-term residents who uh who have this neighborhood as their way of life they deserve it thank 02:07:40.000 --> 02:07:40.560 - you 02:07:40.560 --> 02:07:46.080 - anybody else wish to speak in favor of this petition mr steward registered again i'd like 02:07:46.080 --> 02:07:52.240 - to tell you i appreciate uh what you've done secondly i support this down zoning i had a 02:07:53.440 --> 02:08:02.000 - uh i thought about people purchase property on speculation yeah it happens so 02:08:02.000 --> 02:08:11.520 - any questions i'll answer thank you anyone else wish to speak in favor of this petition 02:08:11.520 --> 02:08:18.080 - anyone wish to speak in opposition to this petition 02:08:18.080 --> 02:08:20.320 - please come to the podium or raise your hand on teams 02:08:20.320 --> 02:08:33.120 - uh good afternoon i think we're afternoon now commissioners this is christopher mg from the 02:08:33.120 --> 02:08:39.280 - greater limington chamber of commerce uh encouraging you to reject this ordinance as well i think 02:08:39.280 --> 02:08:44.880 - what we we've heard is this thing where that's changing of life uh for the neighborhood and i 02:08:44.880 --> 02:08:49.840 - you know i don't see the status quo as doing that i think this is if you look at the map this is 02:08:50.400 --> 02:08:56.800 - uh area that's ripe for urbanization and just to go through a couple of the concerns raised by two 02:08:56.800 --> 02:09:03.760 - elected officials one was uh county council member david henry which believes it forecloses on 02:09:03.760 --> 02:09:07.840 - opportunities to be creative small footprint development there's an opportunity especially 02:09:07.840 --> 02:09:12.800 - with tiny homes and other type of structures and fill small parcels in a way to not only retain 02:09:12.800 --> 02:09:18.140 - the character but maybe restore the character the fact that down something forecloses on this 02:09:18.140 --> 02:09:18.560 - creates 02:09:18.560 --> 02:09:25.920 - fewer opportunities i'll mention who we heard from today county surveyor tron inron randolph who 02:09:25.920 --> 02:09:30.080 - cautioned that post changes would put a lot of burden on people's property just to do simple 02:09:30.080 --> 02:09:35.200 - things he notes that owners will now have to pursue variance and the board of zoning and appeals 02:09:35.200 --> 02:09:41.040 - for even the most modest changes and we know what a hurdle that can be and the other thing is the 02:09:41.040 --> 02:09:46.240 - pie that needs to grow for the county the county has a lot of bills to pay with the new justice 02:09:46.240 --> 02:09:53.840 - center we're looking at sb1 in order to meet those needs of all county residents that pie needs to 02:09:53.840 --> 02:10:02.080 - grow the best way to do that is for growth these conversations about um urbanized agriculture good 02:10:02.080 --> 02:10:06.000 - conversations to have but it can't be just thrown out every time we want to grow a little bit it 02:10:06.000 --> 02:10:10.240 - we need a larger conversation on this and this is not the platform to make this sort of change 02:10:13.520 --> 02:10:17.600 - we need to think about other you know future generations not just those living in the current 02:10:17.600 --> 02:10:22.320 - development but have a vision and this is not a vision this is something stuck 30 years ago 02:10:22.320 --> 02:10:28.000 - and we should reject this ordinance and this down zoning i thank you for your time today thank you 02:10:28.000 --> 02:10:35.280 - we also have uh jena may from trg management 02:10:37.200 --> 02:10:43.920 - if tsd that's she's online if tsd could get her up here we go 02:10:43.920 --> 02:10:48.320 - good afternoon thank you for your patience 02:10:48.320 --> 02:11:01.280 - we cannot hear you you need to unmute 02:11:05.120 --> 02:11:11.600 - now try it here you go got it okay computers thank you um 02:11:11.600 --> 02:11:20.160 - i think the same comment that i made at the first meeting uh there in bloomington it's not that trg 02:11:20.160 --> 02:11:27.520 - opposes the downgrading it's just we totally understand the infrastructure the watershed 02:11:27.520 --> 02:11:35.040 - i mean we we totally understand that our total interest is making sure that we get our 02:11:35.040 --> 02:11:43.760 - exception if you will um so that we can continue to operate as is it's a very small 02:11:43.760 --> 02:11:49.600 - manufactured home community uh every lot is needed in order to pay the bills for those residents 02:11:49.600 --> 02:11:57.120 - uh it provides nothing but affordable housing for that area uh which is totally residential 02:11:57.120 --> 02:12:03.040 - so again we understand it but it's just very very vital to us that we keep our exceptions that we 02:12:03.040 --> 02:12:10.000 - can keep operating the way we are thank you can i ask you may i ask you a question um is this the 02:12:10.000 --> 02:12:16.400 - can you give me the address of this property i want to make sure that we've got this on our list 02:12:16.400 --> 02:12:24.240 - yes it is it's the 215 north johnson avenue got it thank you appreciate that thank you 02:12:25.360 --> 02:12:33.360 - yeah and just and just to clarify um pre-existing non-conforming means you can continue to do what 02:12:33.360 --> 02:12:42.400 - you're doing on your property um even if it doesn't match either um hd or uh residential one zoning 02:12:42.400 --> 02:12:43.200 - um 02:12:43.200 --> 02:12:50.640 - so that's the good news you can continue to do as you've done um appreciate that um and um 02:12:51.280 --> 02:12:57.040 - anyone else yes yes thank you good afternoon good afternoon i'm christine bartlett with ferguson 02:12:57.040 --> 02:12:57.520 - law 02:12:57.520 --> 02:13:04.080 - on behalf of regency hadley village um we do appreciate the exclusion of 101 fairfield we 02:13:04.080 --> 02:13:10.560 - hope that that will be amended today formally and and excluded from the rezone um but today i'd 02:13:10.560 --> 02:13:10.720 - like 02:13:10.720 --> 02:13:16.880 - to talk about 111 kimble and ask that that also be excluded on the map you can see it's the 02:13:16.880 --> 02:13:17.280 - property 02:13:17.280 --> 02:13:24.080 - just to the east of 101 south fairfield 101 south fairfield actually kind of hugs around it on both 02:13:24.080 --> 02:13:30.880 - sides um and and to be clear we understand that there will be issues already with compliance um 02:13:30.880 --> 02:13:36.880 - and that were already previously non-conforming by the prior change in zoning so we understand 02:13:36.880 --> 02:13:41.760 - that that property couldn't be used to make more units for this development but one thing that it 02:13:41.760 --> 02:13:47.600 - could be used for um would be to add an additional amenity for the property at 101 south fairfield 02:13:47.600 --> 02:13:53.680 - drive when this property was rezoned to hd one change that did occur is it requires 02:13:53.680 --> 02:14:01.520 - multi-building multi-unit developments to have at least two amenities which was not a requirement 02:14:01.520 --> 02:14:06.720 - to our understanding under the prior zoning so this property at 111 kimble which was purchased 02:14:06.720 --> 02:14:12.000 - by regency with the idea that it would be folded into the hadley village community could be used 02:14:12.000 --> 02:14:17.120 - to become more in compliance or closer into compliance with existing zoning by becoming 02:14:17.120 --> 02:14:23.530 - one of those potential amenities for the existing apartment community so we would just ask that 02:14:23.530 --> 02:14:23.760 - that 02:14:23.760 --> 02:14:29.920 - also be considered for exclusion we obviously submitted a memorandum providing some general 02:14:29.920 --> 02:14:35.360 - reasons why we think the property west of kimble drive is is different in character enough that it 02:14:35.360 --> 02:14:42.720 - it could be excluded as a whole but today our primary ask is of 111 kimble shane allen i think 02:14:42.720 --> 02:14:50.400 - is still on the the remote attendance but if not i'm here to answer any questions that may come up 02:14:50.400 --> 02:14:51.520 - thank you thank you 02:14:55.520 --> 02:15:06.000 - anyone else wish to offer commentary 02:15:06.000 --> 02:15:15.440 - that include us no i'm going to come back to the board next i just was checking through the 02:15:15.440 --> 02:15:22.960 - the pictures on my laptop okay we are good i think i don't see any more hands 02:15:24.000 --> 02:15:30.640 - and yes i will now come back to commissioners for final comment commissioner medir 02:15:30.640 --> 02:15:37.360 - yes i wanted to again thank everyone for their thankful commentary and especially those that 02:15:37.360 --> 02:15:43.990 - brought forward new information new requests today that very much helps clarify some some things 02:15:43.990 --> 02:15:44.560 - that 02:15:44.560 --> 02:15:50.480 - you know we will need to know when considering this important measure and i just wanted to 02:15:50.480 --> 02:15:56.080 - address the idea that there's uh growth is a fallacy for this community growth is an imperative it 02:15:56.080 --> 02:15:56.240 - is 02:15:56.240 --> 02:16:02.400 - not a fallacy the trick is to get it in appropriate times and places and spaces and that is the 02:16:02.400 --> 02:16:07.840 - democratic venture and we are elected not just to serve long-term residents of communities but to 02:16:07.840 --> 02:16:13.360 - represent all residents of communities including property owners including business owners and 02:16:13.360 --> 02:16:18.720 - again that's part of the the pool and the tug and i'm very respectful and appreciative of this 02:16:18.720 --> 02:16:25.120 - democratic pool and tug and the opportunity to have a say in this pool and tug but i think growth 02:16:25.120 --> 02:16:25.280 - is a 02:16:25.280 --> 02:16:30.080 - communal imperative and i think looking at our demographics we do have people moving in and we 02:16:30.080 --> 02:16:35.440 - do not want these people to move out we we need these people more than ever before to support the 02:16:35.440 --> 02:16:40.480 - long-term residents who are getting older and to support our businesses that need their dollars 02:16:40.480 --> 02:16:46.000 - and so we must create new opportunities we must get new employers and in fact i think in the 02:16:46.000 --> 02:16:50.880 - planning commission meeting one of the residents of i believe it was the maple grove baby farm area 02:16:50.880 --> 02:16:56.530 - even charged the chamber of commerce with bringing in residents and that is you know and new 02:16:56.530 --> 02:16:57.040 - employers 02:16:57.040 --> 02:17:03.700 - and new residents that in turn can become long-term residents and i think that that imperative is 02:17:03.700 --> 02:17:03.840 - hard 02:17:03.840 --> 02:17:09.360 - to fulfill if we turn every area down for development and so again it's that democratic 02:17:09.360 --> 02:17:14.080 - pool and tug and maybe certain areas are right for development at certain times and other areas 02:17:14.080 --> 02:17:19.600 - are not but we always have to keep in mind that growth is what we owe our community appropriate 02:17:19.600 --> 02:17:27.120 - growth sustainable growth responsible growth thank you commissioner jones comments questions 02:17:27.120 --> 02:17:35.680 - yes well right off i'm afraid that i have to take exception to sustainable growth that is actually 02:17:35.680 --> 02:17:45.520 - an oxymoron we cannot grow forever and ever and ever that's not possible we need to start thinking 02:17:45.520 --> 02:17:54.640 - about how we can pursue life from a different perspective i was elected by the people who 02:17:54.640 --> 02:18:01.920 - actually live in this community no one who wanted to move to this community voted for me 02:18:02.720 --> 02:18:09.920 - i think it's extremely important that i pay attention to what i hear from the majority 02:18:09.920 --> 02:18:16.720 - of the people of this community which is that they like it they like it as it is most people 02:18:16.720 --> 02:18:27.600 - are not desperately anxious to see major changes happen to our community most people do not want 02:18:27.600 --> 02:18:32.800 - to live in portland if they wanted to live in portland they'd probably move to portland 02:18:32.800 --> 02:18:40.160 - they have chosen this monroe county because it suits them the way it is 02:18:40.160 --> 02:18:51.520 - so i will be supporting this all right um thank you both um and clearly there is a great deal of 02:18:51.520 --> 02:18:58.320 - debate um you know is the population going up is population going down um why is the city prioritizing 02:18:58.320 --> 02:19:08.480 - uh creating student housing um for iu instead of housing for people who can live and work in the 02:19:08.480 --> 02:19:17.280 - community um why is the city not providing sewer why is the city continuing to insist on pursuing 02:19:17.280 --> 02:19:24.560 - lawsuits against county residents um lots of questions uh not our job to answer them all today 02:19:24.560 --> 02:19:36.800 - but i think we're acknowledging them all and um i think that um the concerns about hey we need 02:19:36.800 --> 02:19:37.200 - growth 02:19:37.200 --> 02:19:45.360 - yeah okay once again this doesn't say zoning can never change what this says is 02:19:46.000 --> 02:19:53.920 - this is not high density zoning area um this is not what this is now uh what it's doing is it's 02:19:53.920 --> 02:20:02.080 - setting the zone to what it is now uh it is not preventing any changes in the future but what it 02:20:02.080 --> 02:20:08.160 - does do is it protects those folks who live in this community from having something foisted upon 02:20:08.160 --> 02:20:17.840 - them which has not been there yet uh and who knows if and when it will arrive and by the way um we 02:20:17.840 --> 02:20:18.320 - have 02:20:18.320 --> 02:20:24.560 - a lot of talk about gosh we need housing well if you look at the regional opportunities initiative 02:20:24.560 --> 02:20:31.440 - study um they identified a certain number of units that we had to have in this community 02:20:31.440 --> 02:20:38.320 - meaning county city and ellisville and guess what we've already passed that number of new units 02:20:38.320 --> 02:20:48.000 - planned or done so now what now we've met that number we've exceeded that number now we're still 02:20:48.000 --> 02:20:55.200 - somehow doing something wrong uh let's see if there's demand beyond that number uh but at the 02:20:55.200 --> 02:21:02.320 - same time what we're doing is the prudent thing which is um planning staff has been asked to 02:21:02.320 --> 02:21:11.200 - develop a clear housing inventory and my hope is that the city participates uh so far they are not 02:21:11.200 --> 02:21:20.960 - uh let's find out what's vacant and what's not the other concern i have for those of you who do 02:21:20.960 --> 02:21:21.200 - live 02:21:21.200 --> 02:21:28.400 - in the city is how many apartments are sitting vacant and we do not know that number somebody 02:21:28.400 --> 02:21:33.280 - knows that number but they're not telling you why aren't they telling you what that number is 02:21:33.280 --> 02:21:40.080 - i think it'd be really interesting to know uh the next time the city council wants to look at a 02:21:40.080 --> 02:21:48.960 - another apartment complex how many empty apartments are there now do we need to add more because 02:21:48.960 --> 02:21:49.120 - what 02:21:49.120 --> 02:21:56.240 - you're doing is displacing people out of potential homes uh long-term homes not apartments and and 02:21:56.240 --> 02:22:00.960 - that's a different kind of living situation and i think we have to accommodate everyone and i think 02:22:00.960 --> 02:22:10.160 - we are i look at the mobile home park look at the apartments uh look at it all so um i think what 02:22:10.160 --> 02:22:20.560 - we're doing in my book is recognizing what's there so with that um i would um like to um call 02:22:20.560 --> 02:22:26.720 - for a vote and i'm going to go ahead and read in those addresses that the plan commission had um 02:22:26.720 --> 02:22:38.080 - asked us to consider excluding and that is 101 south fairfield drive 2542 west evergreen drive 02:22:38.720 --> 02:22:48.480 - 415 north kimble drive 215 north johnson avenue 325 north johnson avenue 2312 west Beaumont lane 02:22:48.480 --> 02:22:59.280 - and 120 south kimble drive um and i will and i will note uh for the representative from fergus 02:22:59.280 --> 02:23:04.240 - noire that i think what you want to do needs to have a needs to be part of a conversation with 02:23:04.240 --> 02:23:09.120 - planning staff and i encourage you to have that conversation because no matter what i don't think 02:23:09.120 --> 02:23:15.520 - it would work in either zone so i think i think it's a matter of going to planning staff and 02:23:15.520 --> 02:23:22.000 - talking about a bza process which is actually very simple i don't know why people think it's 02:23:22.000 --> 02:23:27.520 - complicated but it's really not all right so that's what's on the table which is what the 02:23:27.520 --> 02:23:34.310 - planning commission handed us and uh miss turner king if you would please call the roll on 02:23:34.310 --> 02:23:34.800 - ordinance 02:23:34.800 --> 02:23:44.240 - 2025-12 so this is a roll call on ordinance 2020 2025-12 as amended um to remove those addresses 02:23:44.240 --> 02:23:51.440 - from section one commissioner jones yes commissioner madera no commissioner thomas yes 02:23:54.240 --> 02:24:00.400 - all right motion carries three zero um again a huge thank you to everyone who came participated 02:24:00.400 --> 02:24:04.960 - plan commission here today thank you all for your patience it's been a long morning but 02:24:04.960 --> 02:24:11.600 - i think really i think we've gotten a lot of things on the table and um have talked through a lot 02:24:11.600 --> 02:24:11.680 - of 02:24:11.680 --> 02:24:20.240 - key issues and i appreciate everyone everyone's participation online as well um so uh we do not 02:24:20.240 --> 02:24:29.920 - have any uh appointments today but i do have a few announcements and i will make them as quick 02:24:29.920 --> 02:24:39.600 - as i possibly can uh believe me um so first and foremost um i do want to note that uh county 02:24:39.600 --> 02:24:50.880 - government is closed uh tomorrow which is um april 18th um and we are not meeting next week so our 02:24:50.880 --> 02:24:58.000 - next meeting is on mayday mayday mayday uh and that is going to be right here in the natu hill 02:24:58.000 --> 02:25:06.400 - room may 1st 10 a.m um and so no meeting on the 24th and per the minutes we're not meeting on the 02:25:06.400 --> 02:25:18.160 - 34th either so uh so with that in mind uh but i do um want to encourage folks uh to contact their 02:25:18.160 --> 02:25:24.480 - township trustee if they do have a rural housing repair the arpa funding that remained um and could 02:25:24.480 --> 02:25:36.640 - not be spent before the deadline is in the hands of um the bloomington oh my gosh foundation oh my 02:25:36.640 --> 02:25:42.960 - gosh it's been a long morning long morning long morning not enough caffeine in the world um and uh 02:25:42.960 --> 02:25:49.520 - so please contact your township trustee and they will help guide you toward making an application 02:25:49.520 --> 02:25:57.280 - i also encourage folks to get onto our website co.monroe.in.us while you're there please click 02:25:57.280 --> 02:26:03.760 - on the megaphone make sure that you are weather aware um we do have storms coming in this weekend 02:26:03.760 --> 02:26:10.960 - we're going to have a rainy weekend and there may be more the f word flooding and uh so you can 02:26:10.960 --> 02:26:11.280 - sign 02:26:11.280 --> 02:26:17.760 - up to receive alerts uh so that you are in the know and keep you and you are safe um also note 02:26:17.760 --> 02:26:24.960 - we do have uh virtual office hours six times each month go to the calendar on that home page and um 02:26:24.960 --> 02:26:36.720 - the next uh blood drive is thursday may 8th 1 p.m to 6 p.m ivy tech uh c 130 a and b 02:26:36.720 --> 02:26:46.640 - um please go to redcross.org to apply um i do i don't think i have anything else is there anything 02:26:46.640 --> 02:26:51.520 - else i'm missing no i just want to say i appreciate you all i appreciate everyone 02:26:51.520 --> 02:26:54.080 - who's worked through these issues on the planning commission and the residents who 02:26:54.080 --> 02:26:58.800 - took the time to respond and again government is as valuable as the people who participate in it so 02:26:58.800 --> 02:27:06.800 - thank you uh commissioner jones anything for the good of the order no i don't okay great thank you 02:27:06.800 --> 02:27:17.600 - so much um so we do have a work session um can we do uh 12 45 for the work session uh tst okay 02:27:17.600 --> 02:27:25.760 - with that cat's okay with that good okay yay thumbs up all right um 12 45 for the work session 02:27:25.760 --> 02:27:37.600 - thank you all