I'm going to call to order this meeting of the Minerva County Board of Commissioners. It is Thursday, June 5th, and I will note for the record that Commissioner Jones and myself are here and present in the NatU Hill Room. Commissioner Madeira should be joining us online, but I do not see her yet. I'm here. Great. There you are. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. All right, and we'll begin with our public statement read by Commissioner Jones. We, the Monroe County Board of Commissioners, renew our commitment to welcome and protect the rights of all people, regardless of age, race, color, creed, disability, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, marital status, economic status, and national origin. And we affirm the right of every person to live peacefully and without fear, and we will fight and resist at every step discrimination and harmful policies, whatever their source. We believe in diversity, equity, and inclusion and belonging. We also stand in support of our county public school systems, both our BB and MCSC. All right, thank you so much. We're supposed to have a proclamation on National Gun Violence Awareness Day, and I do not have it handy. So, but I will note for the record that Moms Demand Action is organizing their Wear Orange, Prevent Gun Violence Rally. So Wear Orange tomorrow, June 6. It is an annual event that occurs at the courthouse and there's a resource fair at 6 p.m. to 8.30 p.m. and there's a program that starts at 7 p.m. So Wear Orange, it's a sign that hunters use for safety. And Moms Demand Action is hosting that event. So we invite everyone to the courthouse for that tomorrow and our courthouse will be lit in orange this weekend as well. All right, with that, we will move on to department updates. Good morning, commissioners. As of June 3rd, emergency department visits for COVID-like illness have continued to decrease as well as wastewater concentrations. As of May 27th, the COVID-19 vaccine will no longer be included in the CDC's recommended vaccine schedule for healthy children and pregnant women. People who will be recommended to receive the vaccine are those over 65 and those with existing health problems. It's not clear at this time what insurance companies will do about the new recommendations and coverage. The health department does still have free COVID vaccines available. You can call 812-353-3244 for more information or to schedule an appointment. All right, thank you so much. What is the last day of that availability? For the COVID vaccines? Yes. So we do have them available at the public health clinic. I know that some of our childhood ones have expired, but we have various other age groups, so you can call for that. Okay, I think what I'm asking is when is that new-- Oh, recommendation. It actually started May 27th. Okay, so it's already in place. Okay. - Yes. And there is a new RNA shot next spike that was approved by the FDA, but we don't know what availability will be or any of that. Okay, comments or questions? Commissioner Jones? No, I don't. Commissioner Madeira? This actually breaks my heart because what we're seeing is sort of the systematic taking a part of the vaccination system. And I think this comes at a time when we have new variants coming down the pipeline. I urge anyone who needs a COVID vaccine to get it as soon as possible because there is a new variant that has actually been found. It has, there has been news about this in the last two weeks. And I just had a question for Lori. Do you know whether there are certain criteria where healthy adults who may have health problems that are not, you know, normally considered life limiting? Like, for example, they may have asthma. And do you know like where people can obtain guidance on what kinds of conditions can qualify them for continued COVID vaccinations, I guess? I imagine that many of us have conditions where we may take medication for them. They may not prompt us to go to our daughter, to our doctors in a bi-weekly or monthly schedule. Where can we get this information? So other than talking to someone's provider, of course, you can check the CDC website to see updated information is listed on there. That's kind of the best guidance at this time. Excellent, thank you so very much. All right, thank you. TSD, I'm wondering if you could move the transcription box up the page a little bit because it's hidden for us here at the podium. Thank you so much. All right, any other departments have an update to offer? Ah, that'll work. Thank you so much, TSD. Okay, all right. Seeing none, we'll move on to our next item. The next item is public comment. This is open public comment time for items that are not on our agenda. Each speaker is limited to three minutes, please. We ask that you provide your name and your county of residence. You may come to the podium in the NatU Hill Room or raise your hand on Teams. It looks like we have two hands raised on Teams, but I cannot see the names here. So I'm gonna have to look. Good morning, commissioners. I'll just begin a public comment to get the ball rolling. I wanna continue the celebrating of Tuesday's convention center expansion groundbreaking, a truly historic day for our community. This milestone has been a long time coming and we're now on the path to that 12 month economy. I commend this body for their leadership. As commissioner Thomas said, the key was having the intuition to establish the CID and then get out of their way. Today, we're seeing the fruits of that vision. The other thing I want to bring up is what I witnessed at a recent planned commission administrative session. They had some robust, respectful discourse that democracy requires. It's not always comfortable, but it is necessary. So disagreements isn't dysfunction, it's engagement. I want to stress that. And that engagement means that people hear deeply about Monroe County, which is what we want to see on our boards and commissions. So I encourage the planned commission to continue leaning into that discomfort. Respect differences, ask hard questions, because even when we don't all agree, we're all working toward that same goal of more vibrant, a better, more balanced Monroe County for all. And I thank you for your time today. Thank you, Mr. MG. We also have Melanie from YSB with her hand raised. Good morning. Or muted. Now, the hand's down. OK, all right. All right, thank you, everyone. We'll move on to the next item, please. Move approval of the minutes for May 29th, 2025. I will second that. Any comments, corrections, or edits? No? OK. OK, thank you. We'll move on to the next item, please. Any comments, corrections, or edits? Ms. Turner-King, would you please call the roll on the approval of the minutes for May 29th, 2025? Commissioner Jones? Yes. Commissioner Madera? Yes. Commissioner Thomas? Yes. Motion passes 3-0. Thank you so much. All right, next item, please. Move approval of the claims docket, accounts payable, June 5th, 2025. I will second that. Ms. Gallardo from the auditor's office, good morning. Good morning. The accounts payable claims docket for June 5th, 2025 totals $1,801,091.21. And this includes all emergency claims and adjustments. Thank you so much. Comments or questions? Commissioner Jones? No, I don't. Commissioner Madeira, comments or questions? No, none. I don't either. Is there any public comment on this item? You may raise your hand on Teams or come to the podium. Seeing none, Ms. Turner-King, would you please call the roll on approval of claims docket, accounts payable, June 5th, 2025? Commissioner Jones? Yes. Commissioner Madeira? Yes. Commissioner Thomas? Yes. Motion passes 3-0. Thank you so much. I will note for the record that we have received two reports, Clerk of the Courts report for April 2025, and the Weights and Measures report April 16th to May 15th, 2025. And with that, we will move on to new business, please. Move approval of Reed and Sons construction contract number one, change order number five for Karst Athletic Complex Improvement Project. I will second that. We have Ms. Whitmer, Director of Parks, joining us. Good morning. Good morning. This is very simple. This is not to increase the contract by a dime or penny. It's for $20,118.15 to be spent out of our contingency funds that is within the contract. It's for the equipment garage electric stone gate in a storm fitting. Thank you so much. Comments or questions? Commissioner Jones? I see no problems with this. Right. This is why there's a contingency line. Yes. Commissioner Maduro, comments or questions? None. Thank you. The community is starting to talk more and more about this. So this is in a good way. It's highly anticipated. We're very excited. So I know a lot of this rain doesn't help much. And we've had a lot this spring. But really appreciate all the hard work that's gotten us here. Well, and I just want to tell the public, we apologize for all the construction traffic. And it is what it is. Short-term pain, long-term gain. There you go. All right. Let's see if there's any public comment on this item. You can raise your hand on Teams or come to the podium. Let's see. None. Ms. Turner-King, would you please call the roll on the Reid & Sons construction contract number one, change order number five for Carson Athletic Complex Improvement Project? Commissioner Jones. Yes. Commissioner Madera. Yes. Commissioner Thomas. Yes. Motion passes 3-0. Thank you. Thank you so much. We will now have the-- there isn't really a motion, but we're going to hear the 2024 Community Corrections Grant Annual Report. Ms. Street, good morning. If I may share my screen one moment. Good morning. I'm Becca Streit. I'm the Community Corrections Executive Director and Deputy Chief Probation Officer. Every year, as part of our Community Corrections Grants, provide a annual report to the commissioners. I'm a little late this year, but better late than never. Just as a reminder that our Community Corrections and our Probation Department are a unified department. So all of our Community Corrections Officers are also probation officers. But these specific grants that we get for Community Corrections are from the Department of Correction. We've been partnering with them for, I believe, 43 years to receive money. This money funds staff for our Community Corrections program, like home detention, all of our problem-solving courts, and then also our pretrial program. So I wanted to just give a little bit of an overview of what 2024 was like. Just to let everybody know that the probation department and Community Corrections does have a mission. And it's all about helping individuals with rehabilitation and then also community safety. Like I said earlier, Community Corrections here in Monroe County began in 1983. That's when we began receiving Department of Correction funding. Again, we operate home detention and electronic monitoring, day reporting, pretrial services, problem-solving courts, including drug treatment court, mental health court, veterans, and reentry court. This is an overview of the funding that we received in 2024. Each grant entity receives its own funding from the Department of Correction. And then you can see the total there. So we receive a little over $1.5 million in grant funding for these specific programs. You'll also notice that the only problem-solving courts listed in this chart are drug treatment and mental health court. Those are the only problem-solving courts that the Department of Correction specifically funds. So that's why those are highlighted. Unfortunately, there is some bad news about the Department of Correction grants. They have been flatlined for the past five years. So we and, additionally, any counties across the state have not really received much increase in funding, if any. This means that our local money, including the fees that the clients pay, is having to make up the difference to make up for cost of living and fringe benefit increases for staff. User fees are significantly down. It's something that we do keep an eye on all the time. But I also want to dispel any myths out there. Monroe County Circuit Courts and the judges do not put people back in jail solely because they can't pay their user fees. Probation officers and community corrections officers don't solely file violations just because of fees. So while we recognize that we have the unfortunate position of being fee collectors sometimes, that is not the main goal or objective of our officers on probation. And then the Department of Correction grants, like I said earlier, they only fund staff salaries and benefits, which I will highlight here why we do that in a minute. So just some quick facts about 2024. We had 111 case referrals to our community alternative supervision program, or CASP. That's just the long phrase for both pre-trial and post-sentence electronic monitoring. So electronic monitoring can be used for people who have been ordered to serve a sentence in incarceration, but the court has decided that they can remain in their home. They do get jail credit for serving home detention. We also use it for pre-trial. However, our pre-trial clients, it's always less than 1% of our total pre-trial population that is ever on electronic monitoring or home detention pre-trial. So it's very low. There were over 1,700 pre-trial assessments completed in 2024. That means that our pre-trial officers were in the jail or in the office meeting with clients every day who were arrested the previous business day. Those assessments are used. They're provided to the court to give us additional information to the court about a person's risk to maybe not show up to court or to re-offend during their pre-trial period. And then the courts are using that information to determine if, while the person is out of jail pre-trial, are there any conditions that are necessary. The courts also use this to determine if people can be released. The purpose of pre-trial is to maximize release from jail. So that is what they're using those reports for. Drug Treatment Court had its 542nd graduate in December of 2024. And Mental Health Court had its 27th graduate by the end of 2024. Just a few visuals of some of our success rates. This is for home detention and electronic monitoring success rate. You'll see that 93% in 2024 completed successfully. We also keep track of pre-trial safety rates and success rates. Pre-trial safety rate means that people who completed their pre-trial period, so they were arrested, released from jail while their case was pending, and they did not commit a new offense during that pre-trial period. That's the safety rate. And so you'll see that it's fairly consistent throughout the past five years, hovering around 93% to 94%. We also keep track of pre-trial success rates. And this is people who completed their pre-trial period, never picked up a new offense, never committed a technical violation or a violation that's not a new offense, and then also appeared to all their court hearings. And again, that's remained very consistent as well, in 2024, almost 69%. And then just to highlight the successes of the problem solving court. So drug court, 75% success rate. I know Veterans Court isn't part of our Department of Correction Grant, but they're at 100% success rate in 2024. So I wanted to make sure to highlight that. Reentry court, people who have been incarcerated and are coming back to the community, a 64%. And then mental health, the percentage of success is about 36%, but that's to be expected with that caseload. There are a lot of things going on with those clients that we're addressing. So I said that I wanted to get back to why the Department of Correction and why we use the grant funds to invest in staff. And as I've presented to this executive body before, and we've done other presentations around the community, our department is at the forefront of using evidence-based practices in our community supervision. Research shows that if our probation officers and really all of our staff are trained and we pay attention to the fidelity of evidence-based practices, that's going to equal better client outcomes. So that's better for the individuals and also better for the community for community safety. When I say evidence-based practices, that's referring to using the current research that's out there to guide what we're doing with our clients. It started in the medical field. Doctors, of course, should be doing what the research says on how to treat us. And criminal justice said, oh, yeah, we should be doing the same thing when we're working with our clients. And of course, the ultimate goal is to not have individuals come back through the system. I won't spend too much time on this. I could go into this for a whole day. But this is the basis of what our officers are doing or keeping in mind when they're working with our clients. This is called the risk needs responsivity principle. So it's about who we're targeting with services, what we're doing with them when we're meeting with them, or where we're referring our clients, and then how we're getting that done. So all of our clients receive a risk assessment when they start probation so we can determine what their risk level is and what their needs are. We also do a full background on our clients or to analyze what's bringing them to the system in the first place. And then we're also responding to any responsivity needs. That could be anything from gender responsivity, is there other issues with education levels like reading, so making sure that we factor all that in. Evidence-based research also shows that there are certain factors that are correlated with people's risk of offending. The top four or the big four are the antisocial attitudes and beliefs, antisocial peers, antisocial personality, and family. So our officers, when we're analyzing what's bringing a client here, if one of those top four are identified, we make sure that their case plan is going to address any of those concerns. You'll also see that there's the lesser four risks, substance use, employment, education, school, and then what they're doing in their free time. I know everybody's really surprised that substance use is considered one of the lesser four. We absolutely address it, but we know through research that usually the substance use is being driven by one of those top four concerns rather than just a simple use. And then I also could go on forever with this, but I wanted to make sure that I shared with you the eight principles of effective intervention. This is what our department adheres to in every interaction, every policy that we put together, every change in what we're doing, this is what we refer back to. So this is from the National Institute of Correction, and these are the things that we're supposed to be doing in our work with community supervision clients. So we're supposed to be doing a risk assessment. We're supposed to be figuring out where the client's motivation is. Are they even aware that some of these things are an issue, and if they're not aware, how do we raise that awareness? We're making sure that we're targeting specific needs. We're doing skill training with them. If you walk down our hallways at probation, you'll hear a ton of role play between a probation officer and a client just practicing things like how to tell my peer no, that I don't want to engage in this behavior. We increase positive reinforcement through incentives. We make referrals to the community services, and then, of course, we're using data all the time. I know on this screen, but I'm often asked, I do a lot of the hiring screening, and I'm often asked, what does a day in the life of a probation officer look like? And it's impossible to throw that on a screen, but I wanted to specifically narrow in on the evidence-based practice piece, because this is why we're investing our grant money into our staff. Our staff, it's more than just what we call checklist probation. Our probation officers are not sitting there saying, did you pay your fees? Did you go to treatment? Oh, you had a positive drug test, shame on you. That is not what's happening. We are completing risk assessments. We are working with the clients when they first start to figure out what brought them here, what are the patterns that are leading to their criminal behavior. We're addressing their behavior drivers to create case plans. Every client's case plan is individualized to address their specific goals and objectives. All of our officers are trained in cognitive behavioral interventions. So we are working with the clients to help restructure their thinking. Their thinking got them here. Their feelings got them here. It led to a behavior. How can we help them change that for the future? We're applying incentives. We're applying sanctions. We're helping clients navigate all the community services. All of our staff receive fidelity coaching. So we have evidence-based practices, probation officer coaches who don't have a caseload. Their caseload are the probation officers. They're sitting in on appointments. They're doing pre-coaching, post-coaching, watching videos. We have trainings monthly, learning teams monthly where we all come together to practice all of this material. These are just a few things that our officers do in their appointments. We do things like thinking, feeling, action behavior chains with the clients. We receive training in trauma-informed care, and we apply that during our appointments. We do interactive journaling. We're reinforcing positive behavior. We're disapproving of negative behavior. We're doing alcohol and drug assessments, case plans, and just even teaching problem-solving skills. So I say all that just because I did want the community just to know what's going on at the probation department when a client is in a probation meeting. That is what's happening. What we're doing next with Community Corrections and the whole department, we're of course gonna be closely monitoring funding. We did, I failed to mention earlier, we did learn that the state budget for the upcoming two years did cut Community Corrections across the state by almost 10%. So we are still waiting word from the Department of Correction regarding our 2026 grant applications to see how that funding cut will affect us. We will continue to invest in our staff, in their training, coaching, and fidelity efforts of evidence-based practices. We're of course always collecting data. We just put out our 2024 annual report, which is available online. And then we're of course always evaluating outcomes. So I know that was quick, but I do appreciate you letting me take the time just to kind of open the door behind what's going on at probation, especially when it comes to that relationship between staff and clients. So thank you. Thank you, Ms. Streit. I will say, and I always get your name wrong, and I do apologize for that, it's terrible. I feel so badly about Ms. Streit. Please don't. Thank you. (laughs) I just, you know, for some members of the community who see this either live or later recorded, this is their first opportunity and understand what happens in probation. So I think the way you presented this material was really, really good. And I think in a way you are minimizing the successes in your presentation because, you know, for example, on the slide about safety, basically success in the program, non-rearrest, you know, you set your graph up like 92 to 96, and so it looks like these big drops put it out there, here's zero to a hundred. Where are we at? It's way up there, right? I mean, really this is, it's to be celebrated. And I know it takes a lot. It takes a lot of engagement and learning and working with the community and community resources to make all of this happen. But let's see what happens with federal and state funding. Sorry, Commissioner Jones, do you have any comments or questions? I actually have a question that I think I probably know the answer to. Do we offer the pretrial services over the weekend? As far as assessments, we do not. At this point, clients can, or defendants who are booked into jail can either still post a monetary bond to get out or they have to see a judge at an initial hearing if they're still in jail. So right now, there's not a policy in place where even if we were in the jail on the weekends, that we would be able to release someone. It's a wishlist item. Yes, yes, very much so. Yeah, yeah. Commissioner Madure, comments or questions? None, thank you. And I really do appreciate this information because I think that a lot of people don't know exactly how evidence-based and data-driven all of this is. Also, Monroe County is really lucky to have the wealth of problem-solving courts that it does and the wealth of devoted staff members that it does. So thank you so much. Thank you. Pre-trial diversion numbers, how are they over the course of the actual numbers? Is it increasing? As far as the number of clients that were? The clients, yes. It's been about between about 1,500 to 2,000. So that's the number of people that we're actually seeing in the jail every year. Not all of those clients end up on conditions. That's a much, much lower number. That's usually hovers around 150 at any given time. But everybody that we assess is receiving court reminder calls to come to court. That's helpful. Yeah, yeah. Okay, great. And I know that capacity is only so much as well. I mean, there's only so many people who can do this work and there's only so many people in the jail and there's only so many people in the jail for the first time, you know. Yes. Gotcha. Thank you so much. Thank you. Appreciate you. Please give our thanks to all the staff. Absolutely, thank you. We will move on to the next item, please. Move approval of Bloomington Junk Service Agreement regarding 8281 North Central Street, fund name County General fund number 1000 in the amount not to exceed $6,000. I will second that and with a motion and a second I don't know I assume it's our director planning Ms. Nester Jelen who's going to be providing this information. Yes. Great. Good morning. Thank you. Good morning. Thank you, Commissioner. So the Planning Department did receive an appropriation from the County Council. This property is part of a litigation case that we have. We have an interlocal between the town of Steinsville and Monroe County and so during that time period we had filed this litigation and part of the court order is to go ahead and give the county the ability to clean the property. So we did receive three estimates for the work and we went with the lowest of the three estimates that we received. The third estimate came in after the packet had already gone out but it was a little bit higher than this one here so we do have an estimate below for the property. I do want to note that we did go out to the property this morning. This property is located in the floodway and I have just a quick video from this morning just to give you an idea of right behind the property how quick moving and how much water is actually flowing directly adjacent to this property. The person that we've been working with they have been able to clean some parts of the property with two dumpsters that we've placed. One dumpster was completely full and then we placed a second dumpster but there is still quite a bit of items on the property that we need to have cleaned up. So with this estimate we will be able to clean the property just the items on the ground are the number one priority. There is a camper in the back of the property that is something that we are going to address possibly later. We do not have a title for that so to remove that is going to be a challenge that we are not dealing with at this juncture. So as you'll see in the estimate there is a number for the removal of the RV but we'd like to prioritize the property cleanup first. So with that I'm happy to take any questions. Great thank you so much Mr. Jelen. Commissioner Jones comments or questions? Yeah I think this is a very needed project. Thank you for taking it on. Commissioner Madeira? I echo Commissioner Jones. I don't have any other remarks just thank you. Yeah I appreciate the difficult circumstances surrounding this but this is something that planning doesn't typically have to get involved in but we have a floodway and the community's safety is paramount so I appreciate the way that this was managed and handled and that you've gotten what appears to be a good estimate. All right let's see if there's any public comment on this item. You can raise your hand on teams or come to the podium. Seeing none Ms. Turner-King would you please call the roll on the Bloomington Junk Service Agreement regarding 8281 North Sycamore Street. Commissioner Jones? Yes. Commissioner Madeira? Yes. Commissioner Thomas? Yes. Motion passes three zero. Thank you so much. So we have our next item please. Move approval of ordinance 2025-18 to amend text edits to the county development ordinance. Second. That was not on mic second. Ms. Nesterjohn would you tell us all about it? Sure this will be one of two text amendments on the agenda today so I'll try to keep these succinct. The first one is separated from the second one mainly because this is just contained to formatting errors, Scrivener errors, things like that. With this being such a large document after it passed and we've used it for about six months we've notified we've identified as staffed with some areas that could use improvement such as code reference updates or usability updates so I have those for you today. I do want to mention that this did receive approval or a recommendation of a favorable recommendation by the plan commission by a vote of seven to one and then also on the cover page that starts on page 46 of the packet I have an exhibit one of the page references if anyone's following along you just need to add 47 to that since this is within a packet so I will go ahead and start with the first revision so the first revision is that we are adding in a table in the beginning of the ordinance this is very exciting to people that like myself who like to track over time how the ordinance changes and when things were added in when things were taken out that really helps us as we have to start versioning this document as people will use prior versions of this and newer versions of this and questions like this often come up so we will have this for the future the next change is this is going to be a a nicer clean version once the clean copy is out but for track changes purposes we're going to have some more clickable links as people get to the beginning of the ordinance just for usability these links will take them directly to the two-pager that i'll show in just a minute and then as far as the two-pager we did have some edits as it relates to the use table so the use table is really the driving document that says where all the different uses are permitted within each zone but we created these two pagers because it's a really nice shortened condensed version that the public can take and read and easily digest okay i'm in this zone here are my uses and here are my development standards or design standards and just two quick pages it gives them a lot of really good information we alphabetized this and then also identified some uses that we had missed in the two pager but that were in the use table so that is just a summary of the two pager edits additionally we realized that in the last code we had the use kennel and we had standards for the kennel below but we forgot to actually add just a regular kennel use we do currently have in the cdo commercial breeding operations but a lot of people do not do breeding of dogs and cats so this kennel use is going to be helpful to have that back into the ordinance and this these use permissions are actually the same as the prior code so this is what we wanted to have in there we just missed it the next change is we did some alphabetizing this is again for usability so green means that the text was moved it does not mean that we added text so if people are following along all of the green text that struck out means it moved just to be alphabetized okay and then as we're using the document we do have four places to see definitions the first is adult oriented business so we added to know where you're at in the definitions section we added the green text to identify the chapter you're in we did the same for airport and then we did the same as well for floodplain and this is just so that if anyone is going through the text and they are looking at a definition in a certain chapter sometimes definitions are very specific to that chapter so if you're not in the airport noise and sensitive overlay you would not use those definitions you would use the definitions in chapter 850 so this helps people identify where they are at in the code this section in chapter 813 does it is red text i want to spend a bit of time on this so we previously had language for having people that want to combine their lots for planning and zoning purposes the reason being sometimes people have two lots that they would like to build over the lot line of the two this gives them a very easy and quick process without a planning procedure to combine those lots and that language has been used pretty widely by title companies and attorneys and private landowners so we would like to have that added back in we give people back that language and added option we also added number six here for setback relief for people that were in plotted subdivisions so people that plotted their lots prior to the cdo and then had their zoning change we wanted to make sure that since the plat had already received approval likely through a plan commission or plat committee which is a subcommittee of the plan commission that we could still recognize those plotted setbacks because some developments are already halfway built out and to change the setback halfway through the development we'll change the look and the buildable area really of the rest of the land that they weren't maybe anticipating so this allows people to follow the plotted setbacks as opposed to the zoning setback okay and then throughout the code you'll see that there are code reference corrections these are just Scrivener errors that we want to point out we also accidentally omitted three native trees so we're adding those back into the ordinance formatting we just had some corrections here to point people to the right location these are changing to a b and c for clarity and chapter for the environmental constraints overlay we had the old text of 125 feet this is listed correctly in the two pager as 200 feet but it was missed in this chapter so we are creating clarity and correcting the Scrivener's error the reason this went from 125 to 200 feet is actually because the state of Indiana requires this setback for any septic system so we're matching what the state says for separation distances from lakes for septic systems and we believe that was a good change and then this is again some code reference changes and these will all be clickable and linked by the time we upload a clean copy and then this section here we did point people from the subdivision requirement to this section of the landscaping ordinance for street trees our assistant director worked closely with Purdue Extension to come up with a standard that makes sense for the rural areas in the case that they're not in an area that otherwise requires street trees for subdivision and that allows people to preserve a certain area of tree canopy in return instead of planting new trees so we're having a standardized area for people to be able to preserve trees that they are able to meet the standard in the rural areas one when subdividing the next change is in regard to the table that requires a certain level of plot plan certified plot plan or site plan the biggest change here is that for residential storage structure which is a accessory structure before you put any other development on the property it was requiring a certified plot plan where we are now moving that back to just requiring a scaled plot plan which is the way it was in the prior ordinance we're finding that a lot of people at the time of residential storage structure may not have a intent or plan to immediately develop the property with a single-family home and so asking for a certified plan at this juncture has been difficult for some people and not necessarily required the next change that we have is in regard to removing the hearing officer from the code this was something that was identified under the CDO amendments we either needed to better identify when cases go to a hearing officer or remove it from the ordinance we had the hearing officer in the prior ordinance and it was carried into this ordinance but we still didn't have good guidance on when that hearing officer could hear certain cases instead of say the board of zoning appeals with it being in there and us not using it and it not having great guidance we decided that with the planned commission's guidance we would go ahead and remove this and if and when we would like to add that back in we would do so in a holistic way and try and come up with a process at that time so we removed that throughout the ordinance in a few places and then last but not least we just did some definitional changes these are just for clarity really not substantial definition changes they were mainly to residential storage structure and also the definition for planning director just because it was referred elsewhere in other ways and we just wanted absolute clarity so with that I think this is my last change I can take any questions right thank you so much as with any massive book of code there are always things you find after the fact or that come to light as things are implemented that need to be addressed so I appreciate the attention to detail here Commissioner Jones comments or questions just that this looks like it was a pretty thorough going over and I hope that it'll last for a while Commissioner Maduro comments or questions again I really appreciate all this thorough work that Darren Scrivener he makes so much work for us yeah yeah Scrivener is sloppy um yeah so uh let's see if there's any uh public comment as with a planning ordinance we will proceed as we usually do um anybody wish to speak in favor of this petition you may come to the podium in and at you hill room or raise your hand if anybody wish to speak in opposition to this petition please come to the podium or raise your hand on teams the other general comment questions any comment from the board yeah okay I don't see any other public comments so uh Ms. Turner King would you please call the roll on ordinance 2025-18 Commissioner Jones yes Commissioner Madera yes Commissioner Thomas yes motion passes 3-0 thank you so much um next item please move approval of ordinance 2025-19 to amend text edits to the county development ordinance regarding impervious coverage exceptions and calculations second with that motion and second uh Director Nester Jelen if you would please walk us through this one there so this is a text amendment specific to the impervious cover calculations so unlike the first text amendment that we just saw this is going to be edits that are content-based or things that have been for discussion by the planned commission and planning staff and now the commissioners so this is uh this was recommended a favorable approval by the plan commission on May 20th they forward it to you with a recommendation of 6-0 so just a little bit of background prior to the CDO we had some open space requirements and also we had something that was called building coverage maximum so we consolidated that under the CDO and streamlined it across all zones to just be an impervious cover maximum instead of just regulating rooftops or regulating open space we just regulated the impervious surface I have in here some changes to that definition but basically it's anything that slows the passage of water through it or blocks the passage of water through it so we're trying to with this text under the CDO encourage more compact development what we found through the adoption of the CDO is that there are already a lot of non-conformities existing and so if anyone wanted to build a shed or a pool or a garage or anything additional on their already developed property they are running into needing a variance so we've updated the numbers and also added some exceptions we also went through the ordinance review committee and plan commission process and we were asked to provide some visuals and some data regarding some of the properties that were not meeting their impervious cover and then also ones that even if this passes what still would not meet the impervious cover maximums so what we've put together is a table of different properties the ones that are in green would be conforming they would meet the requirements under the new text amendment that is before you today the ones that are in yellow would potentially not be able to be developed from scratch if they were to be under the new ordinance now i put them in yellow because under the exceptions that you'll see we are going to basically allow we're going to grandfather if you will prior driveways that were built before march 11 2024 which is our last date of last flyover imagery or we're also going to allow for driveways that were that had already received approval before december 19th which is the day after the cdo passed so we are going to see this being utilized mainly for new development so i will go through a few pictures here of some examples so the yellow property for instance if developed newly we would encourage them to possibly build up closer to the road and possibly have a shorter driveway possibly front-loaded garage or a different design of the garage in relation to the house to reduce this amount of impervious but since it was existing before march 11 2024 and december 19 2024 we would not count the driveway as part of their impervious we would only count the actual structures on the screen so they would be able to add additional impervious to this lot because we would not be counting this in this example in this example as well i have some calculations over to the right and also to keep in mind we lower the threshold when they're in a critical watershed so that's also hindering a few of these properties because of the critical watershed nature and then we do have an exception for driveways that will go to other properties such as like easements along their property to gain access to another property but we did not build in an exception for what we would call a flag lot where the driveway is extending through their personal property and stops at their property so this is something that if built new we would still likely need to go through the variance process and if this still becomes an issue we will keep the plan commission updated and see about further text changes and this is another example here this is near Lake Monroe and it has quite a bit of driveway area and then what they would like to add to the property was fairly significant so it was something that would not if built completely new today would not meet the standard and then I have an example of a property camp rock out by Lake Lemon because of the number of driveways in the residential zone unfortunately did not meet the impervious requirement so this is something that we did not necessarily account for but if their driveways are already in they're going to be allowed to continue and add more structures but they also received a variance prior and then this is another example in yellow here with existing and then they also were received a variance to build a another garage at this location and extend the driveway so just to give you an idea and then just a few I'll roll through these pretty quickly some photos of properties that would be able to be built and meet the maximum pervious so some areas and then I also added additional area that could also be added and this is with the text change that these would be allowed to be conforming so with that I'm going to go through the text amendment changes so the first zone that we did some changes to was the agricultural residential zone district which is the two and a half acre minimum requirement and what we did to try to solve some of the issues that we are seeing is break this out a little bit further by acreage so zero to 2.5 acres they have both a increased percentage it's going from 20 percent to 25 percent and it's going from 20,000 square feet to 25,000 square feet of impervious and then that number is slightly lower in the critical watershed once you are at beyond 2.5 acres we broke it up into 2.51 to 5 acres and then 5.01 to 20 acres and then 20.01 acres or greater so just as a context for people 43,560 square feet is an acre so this is quite a bit of impervious cover for an entire site but understanding people have very large pieces of property so we'll continue to update people and as well we exclude agricultural buildings from this requirement so if you're building agricultural structures we are not counting that against this number because we understand those have to be larger so we did something very similar for the cdr district and then for the forest reserve or forest residential five district those acreages are a minimum of five acres so we broke this out only into what would be three general categories for if you kept the maximum for critical watershed so one less category because they start at five and we matched sort of what we did for the prior but met it to more like five acres at the start and then the cdr is identical to the agr so i won't spend too much time on that and then we did make some changes to the residential one district this has been one that we've seen a lot of variances to the standard especially because of the critical watershed mapping being closer to a lot of the areas surrounding the city of Bloomington in the town of Ellesville and people tend to have smaller lot sizes so going with that whichever is less is less sometimes can make it so that people do need a variance but we've increased this percentage on both or on under a critical watershed we've increased this from 10 to 30 percent because without a critical watershed it's 50 and then we've also increased the square footage depending on how much acreage they have to see whichever they can go with so that is the standard here then we did add the exception standard for all of the zones so you will see that as a footnote there was one change to community development as well just slightly increased so as you go through you may see some amendments to the numbers and we did work closely with the stormwater program manager and the drainage board to come up with some of these figures i would like to go down to chapter 813 which has some of the exceptions that i've been talking a little bit about so we added a purpose statement which is important to have in there for people that aren't sure why there is a maximum impervious cover and we want to remind people that the purpose of this standard is to try to encourage compact development and therefore reduce overall impervious cover, implement open space requirements on individual lots, and possibly reduce negative stormwater impacts. We want to reduce erosion related to excessive sheet well runoff as a result of greater impervious cover, reduce ponding of water, reduce impacts to adjacent neighbors, protect critical watershed areas and areas prone to flooding, and increase flash flooding as a result of larger impervious cover. I also want to just explain for just the public's edification, critical watershed is not the same as floodplain, so some people are in a critical watershed but their elevation is quite high but what that means is that that area is kind of all tied together right even though your elevation is high what you do on your property is still going to impact your neighbors in that same watershed and some of our water quality and some of our watersheds are experiencing flooding problems so it is important to kind of bring it back to why this is an important standard we do want to acknowledge that with increased rain events more severe rain events in shorter time periods having more impervious cover leaves less area for the water to drain and get away from structures property and people but we have built in some exceptions like I mentioned from the CDO passage for those existing built out lots the first is that driveways in existence on March 11th 2024 would be exempt in addition driveways that had proper approval for installation prior to December 19 2024 are exempt secondly driveways within access and utility easements or utilized to access another property shall be considered exempt and thirdly sidewalks within private property that are for public use are exempt for impervious cover and with that I can take any question all right thank you so much I know there's a lot of material there and it took a great deal of time and energy to get to where we are now comments or questions Commissioner Jones yes well this is one of these really tough problems impervious surfaces really do have a big impact on the community as a whole especially given what's happening with the weather lately at the same time I happen to have a very very long driveway and I'm not sure I would have been allowed to have a house so I this was way prior to any of this but I I do appreciate the fact that for people who already got themselves into that position there are they their situation is being taken into account absolutely yeah and I yeah pre-existing non-conforming yes yes Commissioner Madure comments or questions no I appreciate all the detail and the hard work I've been attending the Planning Commission meetings and reviewing those actually several times because this is very complex and I also appreciate why these changes are necessary and I do think they will solve a lot of problems and save a lot of effort so thank you very much all right thank you so much and the Planning Commission did support this petition as well correct yes they forwarded a six to zero vote with favorable recommendation six zero thank you yeah thanks all right let's see if there's any one who wishes to speak in favor of this petition you can raise your hand on teams or come to the podium raise uh surveyor Enright Randolph yes uh I'm having a little bit of a glitchy uh connection so I apologize for that hopefully I'm coming in clearly um I just wanted to say serving on the stormwater management board drainage board and plan commission that I am in in support of this and I hope that it is approved and asking for your approval I also want to say I think this is an incremental step of getting it right and currently what we have in in place is a more strenuous uh burdensome uh provision with our impervious surface max and this is going to give relief where it's needed um I do know from uh I wasn't able to attend the plan commission so I would have voted in favor so that could have been a 7-0 but it was discussed about how we need to continue to look at this and you know bring it back as needed so I think this is a great first step and again just uh asking for you to approve that this uh amendment tonight thank you all right um thank you I don't see any other raised does anybody wish to speak in opposition to this petition may raise your hand on teams or come to the podium any follow-up commentary uh from my colleagues on the board okay all right um Ms. Turner King would you please call the roll on ordinance 2025-19 commissioner jones yes commissioner madera yes commissioner thomas yes motion passes three zero thank you so much thank you uh Ms. Nestor-Gelan appreciate you all right next uh item on our agenda please move approval of ordinance 2025-16 west gate on third pud outline plan amendment three second all right we have a motion and we have a second Ms. Cresulius good morning commissioners this is the uh proposed amendment three to west gate on third it is currently in development as a multifamily residential uh pud um you have seen this you saw this twice last year for amendments to their ordinance phasing plan uh introduce a phasing plan as shown on screen and also a phasing narrative so this amendment includes proposed changes to the pud phasing plan narrative so there are no proposed changes to the uses or the design that have been established in within the pud ordinance but with it with that ordinance we have the phasing plan and the narrative the narrative describes what type of improvements across the site whether it is uh final stabilization of grade on the site whether a building is completed sidewalks are installed landscaping installed or ponds finished it describes in which of the phase um what has to be done at what time in order for planning to issue a conditional land use certificate that allows them to seek their certificate of occupancy for the structures from the building department assuming the building department has is satisfied with their inspections and is able to do so a conditional land use certificate means that there might be some final improvements that need to be completed and we normally set a timeline for that so currently the site they have received a conditional land use certificate or luc for phase one and two they have applied for phases three and four this amendment was brought up by phase three so within these phases there are a total of eight stormwater bioretention ponds on site which is quite a bit the phases not is described within the narrative is not everything is always complete when you go to get a conditional land use certificate because there are still active construction on different portions of the property so it's very detailed and of course a project manager manager and the petitioner is dealing with a lot of moving blocks on site so when they started to approach the time for a conditional luc for phase three they had encountered some issues with a specific line within the phasing narrative so that's on screen it's point number three so it discusses that landscaping permanent stabilization is completed in phases one two and three so side note within the narrative there are kind of what we would call checkpoints throughout the document that so for example in phase three we got to this point where in the prior phases they then have to complete and make sure that landscaping permanent stabilization stabilization is done within the same sentence that it states that pond one three a and four are fully finished to do this is quite an extensive process that does require a week to multiple weeks of very dry weather so with this very rainy spring they have had issues with being able to complete these ponds so they are they are currently waiting on this on this amendment in order to receive the conditional luc i was visited the site yesterday and it it looks ready for it there's still maybe some landscaping areas that aren't quite perfect but this site looks the phase looks really good so on screen is the phasing plan where i have circled pond four one and three a they see on my next slide here as they were coming up against the the extremely wet weather of this spring you know they provided some information it was a definitely an education session for me learning about stormwater and how these large ponds get installed and how much time is really needed so since this amendment has been applied for and has gone through the process they've actually been able to make quite a bit of advancement on some of the ponds so on screen is a couple of status photos pond one has been completed and pond three well pond three a has been fully completed pond one has soils drains installed and soils stabilized and we'll be waiting for landscaping and if that's it's a work in progress so i know the petitioner might be able to clarify more but they are actively working to complete these ponds as weather allows so what they are proposing within their phasing narrative is to include a sentence that the planning director worked with county legal on which gives us some flexibility when it's added into the narrative at certain points throughout the document so if they do run into poor weather they might still be able to continue working and get conditional luc and it allows some discretion for what is referred to as the administrator which is the planning director to be able to issue a conditional luc so that language is it has been added to a few points it states however if weather conditions could prevent these actions from occurring prior to the completion of phase number the following shall apply as if the proposed use building or other structure is in conformity with the provisions of this ordinance except for final landscaping and final stormwater infrastructure improvements a conditional land use certificate may be granted at the administrator's discretion that the conditional land use certificate shall be valid for no longer than six months but may be renewed for an additional six month period at the administrator's discretion this few sentences have been added into a few points within the narrative it has been added for where it was requiring pond completion it has been added for final surface asphalt and that is because they currently the petitioner is thinking right now that some of the final phases may be approaching a land use certificate during winter months of which the asphalt plants would be closed it was also added for final completion of the fountain and fountain walkway that are adjacent to the greenway so a little assurance for planning in the county on this site is that the final luc issuance would not be able to be issued it would be after phase eight until all of the improvements have been completed also it would include that we recommended that the letter of credit release that's held by planning for stormwater infrastructure it has to be installed to the required plans and approved by stormwater so if there were any issues we could hold the letter of credit that we have on file and of course a lot of this is the stormwater realm and is revolving around the completion of these ponds the stormwater program is in support of these proposed changes and they've been sympathetic with with the weather this year as it has been so wet so the planning commission heard this on may 20th this year and they did forward a positive recommendation by a vote of six to zero and of course as we like to include 90 days from that planning commission hearing is august 18th because of how quickly the petitioner and the the project is moving the petitioner stated yesterday on site that they are completing a building every one to two months i am sure we will not be running into that august date so staff's recommendation for ordinance 2025-16 is that we recommend approving the plan unit outline plan amendment number six request for westgate on third beauty all right thank you so much go ahead all right was there anything else that is it thank you okay um all right and um this uh was approved by the planning commission by vote of six zero um commissioner jones do you have comments or questions for miss chrisilius yes i'm just wondering since a number of buildings are being completed which of course means there's a fair amount of impervious surface going in um and we are getting all of this rain is this causing any problems for other residents in the area or businesses or anything or roads um is the flooding able to be contained on the project i have not heard any complaints so all of the stormwater runoff all of the stormwater on site is going to be directed to one of or multiple of those eight ponds that are on site so even though the ponds are not completed um they are holding water and working as they should under the guidance of stormwater for water that is hitting the site during construction but in order to complete them it requires some improvements that would take dry weather to install right yes and and i certainly understand the problems with the weather uh commissioner madira sorry i was on mute i have no comments again i appreciate the thoughtful explanation uh this all makes sense to me uh and i know that during our planning commission uh hearing on this that um we had um questions from miss ridge um about park square drive and paving and ensuring that everything works together and i think that her question was addressed but i would just ask that you um maintain communication between the petitioner and um miss ridge as they're trying to move forward with their paving projects thank you all right let's see if there's any public comment on this item you can raise your hand on teams or come to the podium i want to wish us to speak in favor of this petition is a petitioner or petitioner's representative here i didn't ask that question sorry ah did you want to speak i'm so sorry i went out of our protocol okay thank you all right sorry the last two items didn't have a petitioner so i got out of the habit very quickly thank you so much for being here um all right so uh is anybody wish to speak in opposition to this petition you can raise your hand on teams or come to the podium all right seeing none um any further comments or questions for my colleagues no okay all right uh miss turner king would you please call the rule on ordinance 2025-16 commissioner jones yes commissioner monera yes commissioner thomas yes motion passes three zero all right thank you i was going to have an identity crisis all right uh we don't have any appointments today um i don't think um miss turner king is there anything for work session to my knowledge no okay yeah there isn't anything on the agenda now i just am giving you that one second opening to throw something on our agenda all right great thank you uh so so um do you have a few announcements um today um we did um all three of us attended the convention center groundbreaking um and it was a great event it was a beautiful day it was hot sunny ish uh but it's it was exciting to see so many people in the community um coming out to support that groundbreaking and we can't wait for the ribbon cutting i'm just gonna say it that way um and i'm glad that um council member crossley um noted the that that sheryl munson would have really appreciated that day she worked hard for it she did she worked hard for it i'm i'm gonna um see what we can do about getting something a room or something named that would be for her very appropriate yeah she was she's amazing um but uh yeah you know when i was driving over to it i was thinking sheryl would love this oh yes yeah um so just uh we did it's it's been a while but we did have a tornado come through our community on um can't forget that it happened um and um there uh we're coming to this is mid-may and so we're coming to the point where there are some still there there's assistance available still and um one of the things that has opened now is a disaster recovery center at ivy tech in room b as in boy 201 now this disaster recovery center closes friday at 3 pm the 18th friday the 18th at 3 pm um so it is open monday through friday 8 to 5 saturdays 10 to 2 this information is available on our website under the what's new feature in the center of the page so this is where you can go get information about the potential because we have been declared this has been declared emergency for small business administration long term and or low interest loans and this is not just for businesses um and also um state disaster relief fund but if you aren't sure what you're eligible for go to the disaster recovery center at ivy tech and find out that's that's how this works i will also note that um we had um dumpsters placed uh at three locations in our community lighthouse christian academy east jackson creek drive and south sandpaper drive and elrin and hermony road um this ends tomorrow right miss purdy the dumpsters that ends tomorrow the six so please um get your um yard debris uh in a separate bin from the construction debris please do not put debris in the roadway we are county highway is not responsible for cleaning up trees on your property um and we appreciate everyone's help and assistance with this um american red cross is accepting applications for case management so if somebody is impacted by the tornado they can call 1-800 red cross um and or go to the location at 441 south college avenue furniture needs go to st vincent de paul call 812-961-1510 extension three salvation army has clothing available 812-336-4310 uh the hoosier hills food bank can help with food needs and veterans are encouraged to contract contact the minero county veterans service office at 812-349-2658 um and just a reminder as we've had a bunch of rain today yeah yeah it was a lot um that there is a county alert notification system just go to co.minero.in.us click on the megaphone in the center of the page and sign up to receive alerts about any emergencies in the area um i will note that um i had a conversation um with emergency management because the tornado sirens went off at iu on tuesday at like 2 30 and it was clear and sunny and apparently they've got some technical software difficulties going on so uh but that's the first thing i did is i looked at my phone did i get an alert and miss it well that's it's just how how it should go uh we do have office hours six times each month um just go see our calendar at co.minero.in.us there is a blood drive at ivy tech um c 130 a and b uh today one to six uh go to redcross.org to make an appointment the next blood drives are wednesday july 9th thursday july 10th um july 9th is 10 a.m to 3 p.m july 10th is 1 p.m to 6 p.m um i will also note that we had such an interesting week last week because on thursday the united states department of homeland security in response to presidential executive order 14287 issued a list of local communities nationwide that the federal government alleges violate unstated federal immigration laws um we are the only county that was on that list um so we responded um and um uh the list is gone but i'm my guess my best guess is it's going to come back not as a big long list but as something that's going to come back later in other form or fashion so we're uh we're we are ever vigilant and we appreciate the members of the community who wrote to us afterwards and said thank you and my response is always we have the easy job you know um i feel for members of our community who are wondering what what their future holds i really do and i'm sorry about the anxiety and the stress that our government is putting them under and i wish they weren't so i'm going to leave that at that um so uh gun violence prevention um we're orange tomorrow um there is a resource fair here at the courthouse at six p.m seven p.m there will be a program and again this is um friday uh june 6 um uh anything else for the good of the order commissioner madera um just i wanted to underscore remarks that you made actually commissioner thomas at uh the groundbreaking and that is to recognize the contribution of commissioner givins to the project um she worked on this along with you guys for years and along with many other members of the community and uh i do think that that was of a very a very demonstrated and heartfelt and um energetic commitment uh and and i think that that um does need to be commemorated and recognized as long as we're also recognizing the contributions of sheryl once and again um and it was my pleasure to be there and again just other remarks of mr mg earlier there are moments we disagree uh there are moments that we talk with each other and we always come out i think better people for it and i think the convention center expansion is sort of a testament to that process so again just proud to be um serving with you guys right thank you um i do want to take a moment of personal privilege if i might um and i have a statement i'd like to make and this is just for me this is not from the board of commissioners but it's important enough that i'd like to make the statement um so the chamber of commerce issued a newsletter a little more than a month ago disparaging me as an elected official it's sort of uh whatever you know i'm used to it yep however the chamber which in my opinion spends a bit too much time on political affairs for a 501 c3 has an agenda pro housing no matter what the chamber the developers have a mutual relationship meanwhile people like our plan commission president margaret clements gets caught in the crossfire the chamber is doing what the chamber's doing that's fine that's their role that's fine but the chamber didn't like her vote on the zoning petition they didn't tell the readers of a newsletter that the majority of the planning commission supported that petition as well it then came to the board of commissioners for a decision dr clements like some other members of the planning commission are appointed by the board of commissioners we don't direct them to vote in any particular manner and we have appointed both democrats and republicans over the many years it is inappropriate for the chamber to direct their vitriol against an appointed member of a body it is disrespectful to her personally maligning someone who is essentially volunteering her time to the community is misdirected and disgraceful how's that for the word community if you go to the newsletter you'll get why i said that i am so proud of margaret clements she had stood up for the interest of menorah county residents in the fight against the city's annexation process her mom wasn't targeted for annexation but she cared so much about people in the community who faced potential property tax increases if their homes were annexed meaning their affordable homes would become unaffordable let's talk about affordable housing and she stepped up she's worked hard for this community that she loves she didn't gain anything but in fact spent a great deal of her precious time and funds to support county residents and when dr clements fought annexation for so many years she didn't do it again for financial gain similarly her role on the planning commission is as a resident not someone with a vested financial interest in a particular outcome her service on the planning commission is for the betterment of the menorah county community after these personal attacks appeared in the chamber's newsletters dr clements reached out to the chamber and asked for a meeting a month later here we are a month later and they have not had the courage to sit down with her i say shame on them dr clements and others who serve our community deserve our thanks whether we agree with their votes or not they do not deserve to be attacked we want to encourage residents to share their time talent and expertise as members of boards and commissions not discouraging them with disparaging comments if the chamber wants to malign a resident who serves the community the least they could do is have the courage to meet with her thank you for letting me get that off my chest all right um anything else for the good of the order all right our next meeting is june 12 10 a.m here in the natu hill room with that we are adjourned thanks everyone ("Pomp and Circumstance") ("Pomp and Circumstance") ("Pomp and Circumstance") ("Pomp and Circumstance") ("Pomp and Circumstance") ("Pomp and Circumstance") ("Pomp and Circumstance") ("Pomp and 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