WEBVTT 00:00:00.130 --> 00:00:26.846 - Good morning. I'm going to call to order this meeting of the Monroe County Board of Commissioners. It is Thursday, August 21st. I will note for the record that Commissioner Mandira and myself, Commissioner Thomas, are here and present in the NatU Hill Room. And we'll begin with our public statement. We, the Monroe County Board of Commissioners, renew our commitment to welcome and protect the rights of all people, regardless of age, race, 00:00:26.946 --> 00:00:38.078 - gender identity, marital status, economic status and national origin. And we affirm the right. 00:00:38.562 --> 00:01:06.590 - of every person to live peacefully and without fear. And we will fight and resist at every step, discrimination and harmful policies, whatever their source. We believe in diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging. We also stand in support of our county public school systems, both RBB and MCCSC. And with that, I'd like to make a motion to amend our agenda to move the work session item from fleet and facilities 00:01:07.522 --> 00:01:35.486 - to our regular agenda, and it would become agenda item H. I second. We have a motion and a second. All in favor of amending the agenda, signify by saying aye. Aye. Motion carries to zero. And with that, we'll move on to our department updates. I believe we have the health department joining us. 00:01:37.410 --> 00:02:03.806 - Ms. Kelly. Good morning, commissioners. As of August 19th, emergency department visits for COVID-like illness have continued to increase and wastewater concentrations are also continuing to trend upwards. The Indiana Department of Health has learned of more than 10 infant deaths related to unsafe sleep in the month of August. 00:02:04.610 --> 00:02:29.246 - As a reminder, the health department offers free safe sleep training and resources. Individuals can call 812-349-2075 for more information. And our public health clinic has vaccines available for all ages. You can call 812-353-3244 for an appointment or more information. 00:02:30.786 --> 00:03:00.478 - Thank you so much for the timely information. That is really a big number. Appreciate the outreach. Commissioner Redira, comments or questions? Were these in the state, I guess? Yes, so across the state of Indiana, over 10. Oh, that is terrible. Thank you so much for that information. I'm glad you have the programming in place. I hope parents take advantage of it. 00:03:00.578 --> 00:03:24.350 - absolutely all preventable thank you um all right any other departments have an update for us you can raise your hand on teams or come to the podium see none um our next item is public comment this is uh time reserved 00:03:24.546 --> 00:03:41.246 - For items not on our agenda, we ask each speaker to limit themselves to three minutes per person. Please give us your name and county of residence before you begin speaking. May raise your hand on teams or come to the podium here in the NatU Hill Room. 00:03:52.482 --> 00:04:16.894 - see none. We'll move on to the next agenda item, please. I would like to move to approve the minutes for August 14th, 2025. Second. Any comments, corrections, or edits? I have none. Thank you. All right. I don't either. All those in favor of approving the minutes for August 14th, 2025, signify by saying aye. Aye. Motion carries 2-0. Next item, please. 00:04:17.410 --> 00:04:44.702 - I would like to move to approve the claims docket for accounts payable from August 21st, 2025 and for payroll from August 22nd, 2025. Second. Ms. Moser, please. Good morning. Good morning. The accounts payable claims docket for August 21st, 2025 totals $9,478,223.21. This includes all emergency claims and adjustments. 00:04:44.898 --> 00:05:10.910 - The payroll docket for August 22nd, 2025 includes $1,582,601.74 in direct costs and the remaining $675,689.87 were for indirect costs for a grand total of $2,258,291.61. 00:05:12.098 --> 00:05:40.638 - All right, thank you so much. Comments or questions, Commissioner Medeo? I have none, thank you. No, I don't either. Thank you so much, appreciate it. Any public comments on this item? You raise your hand on Teams or come to the podium. Seeing none, all those in favor of approving the claims docket, accounts payable August 21st, 2025, and payroll August 22nd, 2025, signify by saying aye. 00:05:41.058 --> 00:06:10.046 - motion carries to zero. We don't have any reports so we will move on to new business and the first item please. I would like to move approval of the VET environmental engineering LLC mitigation systems inspections from Monroe County buildings funds named county general fund number one thousand in an amount not to exceed twenty six thousand three hundred and fifty dollars and eighty seven cents. Second. 00:06:10.210 --> 00:06:36.638 - Mr. Crider. Good morning, Commissioners. Richard Crider, Building and Fleet Manager. This request is to accept the proposal submitted by VET Environmental Engineering LLC to perform inspections on mitigation systems at the following locations, the Johnson Hardware Building, Charlotte Ziclo Justice Center, Monroe County Courthouse, and the Monroe County Health Building. The term is 24 months. 00:06:37.474 --> 00:07:06.078 - in an amount not to exceed $26,350.87. The scope includes 23 monthly inspections of the site-specific mitigation system components installed, plus condition of the vapor barriers with a biennial inspection and testing on the 24th month. It also includes an OM and M plan for the health building, a system upgrade for the health building to include 00:07:06.434 --> 00:07:34.430 - and an alarm. Plus post mitigation testing at the courthouse. Clarification this is for radon correctly correct correct. Questions or comments commissioner. Can you go into more detail about the alarm in particular. Yeah there is. Alarms installed on our newer equipment. If a if a motor were to fail 00:07:34.786 --> 00:08:02.142 - and the system becomes out of balance, it'll set off an alarm. And you know that you need to get some maintenance work and repair work on that motor. Excellent. So it's good to have advanced warning if any of the systems should fail. Yep. Thank you. And you're talking about the systems that are in place to move radon out of buildings? Yes. Yes. That's what you're specifically talking about. All the pipes you see, those have motors 00:08:02.562 --> 00:08:16.990 - Fans. Yeah, almost got it. Excellent. All right. Let's see if there is any public comment on this item. You raise your hand on teams or come to the podium. 00:08:25.250 --> 00:08:52.254 - Seeing none, all those in favor of approving the vet environmental engineering mitigation systems inspections for Monroe County and buildings signify by saying aye. Aye. Motion carries to zero. Next item please. I would like to move approval for the Luddy coding camp memorandum of understanding fund name county general fund number 1000 in an amount not to exceed $3,500. Second, Ms. Turner King. 00:08:52.450 --> 00:09:15.102 - Good morning. What's before you today is a memorandum of understanding between the board of commissioners and the trustees of IU to allow our Women's Commission to partner with the Luddy School to provide a website design camp for middle schoolers that will allow them to have firsthand experience and apply some STEM skills. 00:09:15.394 --> 00:09:45.086 - I'm sorry. The Women's Commission's role in this camp will be they'll serve as camp ambassadors, so they interact with the campers, support, enthusiasm, and then they will be organizing the end of the camp ceremony. And IU will be providing curriculum, volunteers, site location, pretty much the rest of the camp. Yeah. Got it. Thank you. Comments or questions, Commissioner Medeira? And just to clarify, I believe this camp will be open to students of all genders. Correct. 00:09:45.186 --> 00:10:07.678 - Yes. And this is a summer camp, correct? I think their idea is to do it in the fall. But we would have to work with Luddie and the Women's Commission to agree upon dates. Excellent. Well, I think this sounds terrific. Thank you. I'm glad we're able to do this again. Any public comments on this item? You raise your hand on teams or come to the podium. 00:10:15.810 --> 00:10:39.230 - Being done, all those in favor of approving the letting coding camp mo you signify by saying I I motion carries to zero. Thank you. And as a next step on the trustees will be considering the contract. Great. Thanks so much. Next item, please. I would like to move approval to award the untreated salt bid to Morton salt incorporated 00:10:39.714 --> 00:11:05.854 - fund name local road and uh street fund number 1169 in the amount of 92 dollars and six cents uh or 90 dollars per ton delivered or picked up second miss ridge good morning uh so we opened bids i believe we had received three bids on this item for materials um so we would like to award it to the lowest most responsive and responsible bidder which was morton salt 00:11:08.450 --> 00:11:36.382 - Thank you so much. Comments or questions? Commissioner Madeira. No, excellent. This is a very, very important actually service. I'm very grateful that we use salt instead of cinder. I think it's a lot more effective and a lot easier on our cars and other vehicles, and I'm grateful. Let's see if there's any public comment on this item. You raise your hand on Teams or come to the podium. 00:11:42.466 --> 00:12:10.942 - Seeing none, all those in favor of awarding untreated salt bid to Morton Salt Inc. signify by saying aye. Aye. Motion carries 2-0. Next item, please. I would like to move approval for GAI Consultants Incorporated on-call hourly agreement, fund names, cumulative bridge, and local road and street fund numbers 1135 and 1169 in the amount of $250 per hour as needed. Second. Ms. Ridge. 00:12:11.618 --> 00:12:40.990 - So we have different on-call hourly contracts with different consultants that we feel that we could utilize their services in different ways. GAI would be a good source for us for some of our bridge. Not necessarily work, maybe some guidance on different directions we can go. So we wanted to bring them on board for an hourly contract to use as needed. Thank you so much. 00:12:41.218 --> 00:13:06.270 - comments or questions. Commissioner Madeira? I would just like to establish that this is the, as far as I know, this is the market rate. This seems a very reasonable hourly rate as far as I know for engineering consulting. Thank you for organizing this in advance. Appreciate it. All right. Any public comment on this item? Raise your hand on teams or come to the podium. 00:13:14.018 --> 00:13:43.486 - All those in favor of approving the G. A. I. consultants ink on call hourly agreement signify by saying aye aye motion carries two zero next item please. I would like to move approval for heighting architectural veneers and plywood agreement for sunrise greetings court funds name local rodent street fund number eleven sixty nine in the amount of forty four thousand nine hundred dollars and twenty cents. 00:13:43.586 --> 00:14:10.078 - extension project, we found a private utility line that was running under Sunrise Greetings Court. So we did a little research on the pipe and it does go to high-tink. It's a private line, only serves high-tink. So to protect the pipe, protect our new road, we went ahead and encased the pipe during the construction project, but then also we worked with high-tink to split that cost with them 00:14:10.178 --> 00:14:37.790 - And also in the agreement any future maintenance of this line any If there was need to be a road cut road boring or anything That's all going to be under the expense of the property owner with high team of high tink That's to me Comments or questions commissioner Madure. No, just thank you for handling this matter expeditiously and minimizing cost of the county It's gonna be Looks like everything's done 00:14:37.922 --> 00:15:04.286 - out there. I was just out there the other day. It's very close. They're going to do striping. I think they're seeding and strawing. They're doing project cleanup right now. So hopefully we will have that open in the next couple of weeks. We will be organizing a ribbon cutting for that one also. Yay. All right. Thank you so much. All right. Any public comment on this item? You raise your hand and teams are come to the podium. 00:15:13.282 --> 00:15:39.166 - All those in favor of approving the high tank architectural veneers and plywood agreement for sunrise greeting court signify by saying aye. I motion carries to zero. Next item, please. I would like to move approval for in dot change order number two for the pedestrian trail crossings fund name local road and street fund number 169. Second, Ms. Ridge, tell us about this. 00:15:39.938 --> 00:16:06.142 - That's actually, I believe 8169. It's a grant fund. Yeah, I think, yep, 8169 fund number. Got it. So the change order, there is no cost to this change order. It's actually for a project delay and timeline so that the calculation of liquid data damages can occur. And typically you would have the contractor sign this change order before coming to the board. 00:16:06.242 --> 00:16:31.486 - However, the contractor at this time does not agree with the change order. But per indot instructions, they wanted us to keep the process moving forward so that the county and indot could retrieve those signatures on the change order. And if you want to see a full description on how the days are calculated, it's all descriptive in the change order. It is all there. Comments or questions, Commissioner Medeo? 00:16:31.650 --> 00:17:00.958 - I don't have any questions. I guess this just is. Record keeping. To keep everybody aware of time delays. It goes on the record of the. 00:17:01.314 --> 00:17:29.726 - that we had everything on our end in order to assess that. Got it. Thank you. Any public comment on this item? Raise your hand on teams or come to the podium. Seeing none, all those in favor of approving in debt change order number two for pedestrian trail crossing signify by saying aye. Aye. Motion carries two zero. Next item, please. 00:17:30.146 --> 00:17:53.342 - I would like to move approval for OpenGov agreement for asset management for highway and stormwater. Fund names, motor vehicle highway, cumulative bridge and stormwater, fund numbers 1176, 1135, and 1197 in the amount of $154,493.94 for a three-year agreement. Second. Ms. Ridge, please tell us all about this one. 00:17:53.570 --> 00:18:12.734 - It is so we do use this asset management program. We use it for a lot more. It's a good tracking system for us. We use it for legal purposes for any activity that we do any investigation that we do any public complaint. 00:18:12.866 --> 00:18:42.814 - request. So we use that for everything. We also use it for our asset management for our pavement that we're required to keep for our LTAP annual report that we submit and also for grant funds that we are to have the asset management plan updated, everything inspected every two years. We also use it for stormwater inlets, outfalls, our signs, our culverts, our traffic signals. It's just one 00:18:43.234 --> 00:19:06.270 - one place that we can utilize everything. We've used this program before when it was cartographed since 1996, and we've just grown with it. It serves our needs at this point. Worked with Greg Cron, had him look at everything. He approves us as still using the software program. It's a little, it is pricey for a three-year agreement, but we do split that between 00:19:06.402 --> 00:19:33.790 - three budgets. Our bridge crew uses it for also our bridge work, stormwater, and then our everyday highway crews. So it's very valuable asset for us. It is a really good system. Comments or questions, Commissioner Medeira? I know. Thank you for explaining just how it's spread across three budgets, and it sounds like basically it's an essential service for our county. 00:19:36.802 --> 00:20:04.382 - see if there's any public comment on this item you raise your hand on teams or come to the podium being done all those in favor of approving the open gov agreement for asset management for highway and stormwater signify by saying aye aye motion carries to zero 00:20:04.642 --> 00:20:34.590 - we will now move on to item h which is from our work session list yes i would like to move approval for fleet and facilities uh hfi water heater replacement at the mc and manure county convention center fund name uh arpa fund number 8950 in the amount of twenty one thousand fifty dollars second mr krider hello commissioners thanks for moving me to the formal session um this request is to accept the proposal submitted by hfi in the amount of 00:20:34.786 --> 00:21:01.886 - $21,050 to replace the failed kitchen water heater at the Monroe County Convention Center. HFI will furnish all necessary materials to connect the new water heater to the existing piping and wiring, check for leaks, verify operation, and remove the failed water heater from the facility. The manufacturer will provide a limited one-year warranty on parts, and HFI will provide a one-year limited warranty on installation. 00:21:03.202 --> 00:21:21.566 - Thank you so much. Comments, questions, Commissioner Madure? I have none. This is essential to have for a convention center because kitchens need water heaters. For sure. These seem like really short warranties, but I think it's because of the commercial application here. Yeah. 00:21:21.890 --> 00:21:38.590 - all right any public it's nice to see an arpa thing here every once in a while keeps reminds us of all the good that that was done in monroe county any public comment on this item you raise your hand on teams or come to the podium 00:21:45.570 --> 00:22:14.590 - Seeing none, all those in favor of approving the Herald Fish Incorporated HFI water heater replacement Monroe County Convention Center signify by saying aye. Aye. Motion carries two zero. Thank you, sir. Thank you. All right. We do have an appointment. Yes, we would like to move to appoint Michael Teague, Dr. Michael Teague to the health board. 00:22:14.722 --> 00:22:44.318 - a given the resignation of Diane Neal. Second. We'll have to find those term dates for the letter. And I'm grateful that we have somebody willing to step up. So that's really good. All those in favor of approving Dr. Teague to the health board signify by saying aye. Aye. Motion carries to zero. All right. Thank you so much. 00:22:44.834 --> 00:23:12.062 - We'll start our announcements. Ms. Purdy, if you want to offer an update on everything moldy in the world. Not really. Excuse me. So just to kind of recap and help, excuse me, everyone understand where we're at with the justice building. We actually have been dealing with 00:23:12.322 --> 00:23:39.390 - damp, wet conditions within that facility for a while this year. There's been a lot of activity trying to get the humidity down and things of that nature. And as the humidity was high and as we had water leaking from the duct work, it just made a perfect environment for mold. 00:23:39.490 --> 00:24:05.214 - And so this all kind of came to a head at the beginning of August. And at that time, the maintenance, the justice building reached out and asked if we could have some mold testing conducted by Vet Environmental on the third floor. We did that. While we were doing that, we heard from the second floor, the prosecutor's office, that they had concerns. So that was also approved to get those, have that testing done. 00:24:05.922 --> 00:24:27.550 - So initially for the third floor, the results were, let me see if I actually have it, but it was based on, and I'm taking this from a report that I got from VET Environmental, based on observations and analytical results, mold was present on surfaces, sampled on the third floor of the building, one indoor air sample 00:24:27.746 --> 00:24:56.638 - exhibited elevated levels of the airborne aspergillus penicillium spores. However, total fungi levels for all indoor air samples were reported as acceptable. So we got that report. We had every intention of continuing to go forward and fogging that space during that time. So we received that report on August 11th, on August 15th, that environmental contacted our maintenance 00:24:57.282 --> 00:25:19.102 - manager at the Justice Building and advised that there was a fungal spore in one of the offices in the Justice Building, and that that fungal spore, I'm not even going to try to say his name, it's like Baki, Stachybotrys, I don't know. 00:25:19.266 --> 00:25:44.190 - bad guy. He is the black mold that people hear about and don't want anything to do with. We were advised that the occupant of that office needed to vacate and for just to be safe that the two adjoining offices should also vacate. So that was the 15th, which is last Friday. So that was communicated. Staff did what they needed to do. And then 00:25:44.642 --> 00:26:11.678 - a vet environmental came in and actually fogged the prosecutor's space over that weekend. That was the 16th. That came back in on Monday, tested the prosecutor's space. Monday, we began the, well, they had actually already been doing this on the third floor, but it became a much more invasive approach to removing ceiling tiles. The mold that has been, 00:26:12.194 --> 00:26:38.750 - has been in the ceiling tiles. And so every ceiling tile that had any kind of discoloration on it, it was being removed and replaced. We started that on Monday. Tuesday, we were going into it. And that's when we realized that trying to remove ceiling tiles while the court's in session, while people are in their offices trying to work on 00:26:39.202 --> 00:27:04.798 - you know, serious and sensitive cases was not conducive to either entity's efficiency in doing their work. So the prosecutor actually reached out to me and asked about the possibility of closing the building. I asked her to speak with the presiding judge because the courts generally have to keep on going and that was, you know, 00:27:04.962 --> 00:27:34.270 - Definitely the situation. However, everybody understood that it was going to be easier and faster for our people to be able to get in there, do the tile remediation sweep, and then prepare for another test. So that was done. So Tuesday, people left the building. Wednesday, they were not in the building, and everybody was able to do that. Well, on Wednesday, we also chose to test 00:27:35.106 --> 00:27:58.782 - every office in the justice building and the sheriff and jail facility. I spoke with that environment this morning and I believe, I can't remember if she said they have 74 or 79 samples. Those are in Indy right now from that building. And so people are back in. 00:27:59.586 --> 00:28:28.958 - staff who are immunologically compromised were advised to contact their supervisor because no mold is safe. And I've not heard from anybody regarding that particular situation. So the plan at this point is all the ceiling tiles have been remediated, testing has been conducted. That environmental is coming in Friday night and Saturday to fog 00:28:29.314 --> 00:28:58.334 - all the necessary areas, and they're going to test on Sunday so we can have results the following week. So that's kind of where we're at at this point in time. No, thank you for that very thorough explanation. Yeah, it's good for the public's edification because part of the story gets out, some of it doesn't, whatever. And so none of this 00:28:58.562 --> 00:29:24.542 - There's a separate air handler, there's a separate system for the jail, so jail staff and inmates were not impacted. Right, so that is important because when the closure occurred, I, recognizing that it was an accessibility issue, didn't think how the perception would be for the sheriff and the jail. 00:29:24.930 --> 00:29:53.982 - course, when everybody's leaving, they say that they're leaving because of mold. No, they're leaving so we can get in and remediate the mold. So no, the jail is on a separate air handler, not affected by any of the work that's going on at this point in time. After speaking with the sheriff, that's when we decided we're going to just go ahead and check the sheriff's area as well as the jail facility. So that's why we went ahead and just tested everything yesterday. 00:29:54.210 --> 00:30:24.062 - So I think that, I know that Sarah did not identify any active mold in the jail. So she did advise that to me this morning, but she did, they still take samples and they'll be moving forward with that. So. Yeah. Then that's Ms. Mitovich from that. Oh yeah, that environmental. Yep. Great. Thank you. Very thorough. Thank you so much. 00:30:24.162 --> 00:30:52.862 - and I appreciate all the work that's gone into all of this. And I know it's been inconvenient for staff and that everyone at the Justice Building has worked incredibly hard in maintenance to keep going as much as possible and keep everybody safe. Absolutely. And I do want to say the employees have been fabulous. Yeah. 00:30:53.474 --> 00:31:20.702 - You know, I do applaud the person. I know that there had been a complaint filed with OSHA. I mean, we need to know these things. And so, you know, that is not a problem. It's a good thing. It is a good thing. But I do appreciate the employees. They have been supportive through this. And I just really appreciate them. 00:31:20.866 --> 00:31:47.166 - They've been communicating and keeping us in tune with what's going on. And this is just another reminder of why we're co-locating at the New Justice Center. We can't very well keep this building propped up. But I did read somewhere that this is the most humid summer in the Midwest in decades, in decades. And so I'm sure that that 00:31:47.554 --> 00:32:14.654 - limping along HVAC system is having a hard time keeping the air dry. And that environmental will state that. The age of the building, just by the nature of the age you get, and I know more than I ever should have known, but you can get pinpoints, holes in piping, 00:32:15.106 --> 00:32:43.326 - and they leak and you don't know they're leaking because it's a pinpoint. And then the only way you know they're leaking is when it shows up on a ceiling tile or something of that nature. So yeah, this building, and I do want to say this, our maintenance staff has done an incredible job of keeping this building standing to date. It, everybody, well, most, 00:32:44.290 --> 00:33:13.534 - We know of the issues and the design of that particular facility, and they have worked the best they can within the limitations of that building. Yeah, for sure. Yes. And there is a lot of people in the public who might wonder, oh, that building's not as old as, for example, the courthouse that stands in the square. But I mean, let's say there's a uniform, and you have to wear that uniform to work every single day, day in and day out. 00:33:13.890 --> 00:33:35.038 - The uniform is going to wear out a lot more than other pieces of clothing that you might wear just one day a week. And some of the buildings we use a lot less. And the uses for which we use that building might be a lot less arduous. But this building is a jail in part. And it goes through a lot harsher types of wear than other buildings. 00:33:35.170 --> 00:34:03.838 - give out faster than other buildings. Although they're built tougher, they're not built to last necessarily. They need to be replaced. And this is a working jail as well as a working courthouse. And it had design flaws when it was built. So if members of the public want to know why this building seems to be giving out, not only was it built with certain quirks in when it was built, but also it is a working jail. And that is why it is aging faster, perhaps, than it's that uniform that we wear every day. 00:34:04.514 --> 00:34:32.446 - Quarks is a nice word for it. It's poorly designed. And that's why modern jails typically utilize what we're planning to utilize, which are pre-built, pre-cast cells, because those can then just be replaced as needed. Right. And I mean, even if you look at jails like Alcatraz, Alcatraz was only in operation for 30 years. 00:34:32.610 --> 00:34:58.366 - So 25, 30 years, that was the life of a federal jail. So this one has been in operation for much longer than that at higher capacities. All right. So with that, again, thank you, Ms. Purdy. Thank you to the maintenance staff at the Justice Center. Thank you to our employees for their communication, ongoing communication, and patience and understanding as well. 00:34:58.530 --> 00:35:22.206 - So just a couple of quick announcements. The next blood drive that we're holding at Ivy Tech will be Wednesday, September 3rd and Thursday, September 4th from noon to 6pm. And that is in room C130A and B at Ivy Tech. 00:35:22.498 --> 00:35:50.558 - We do have office hours each month, six times each month, where you can speak with one of us directly via Teams. Just go to our county website, which the new address, in.gov, slash county, slash Monroe, and you will be able to find us on the calendar. 00:35:50.658 --> 00:36:19.774 - join us for our conversation. Just a reminder that as we're in toward the end of August already, which I cannot believe that it's a good time to think about serving on boards and commissions. So please take a look at the listings on our website. And while you're on our website, be sure to sign up for the resident alert system. The Monroe County alert notification system will provide information on whether 00:36:20.098 --> 00:36:46.334 - and or health related emergencies and updates. And you can sign up for text, phone or email messaging. Just a reminder, we are gonna be closed on September 1st, which is Labor Day. All county offices will be closed. Our next meeting will be here in the NETU Hill Room on Thursday, August 28th. 00:36:46.466 --> 00:37:05.054 - at 10 a.m. Anything else for the good of the order? We'd like to welcome back all the IU students and temporarily their parents. Yeah, drive carefully and be patient. That's all we could say. All right. With that, we are adjourned. Thanks, everyone.