WEBVTT 00:00:00.418 --> 00:00:07.100 - Good morning. I'm going to call to order this meeting of Monroe County Board of Commissioners. 00:00:07.100 --> 00:00:14.275 - It is Thursday, July 9th, and we will begin with our public statement. We, the Monroe County Board of 00:00:14.275 --> 00:00:21.590 - Commissioners, renew our commitment to welcome and protect the rights of all people, regardless of age, 00:00:21.590 --> 00:00:27.006 - race, color, creed, disability, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, 00:00:27.234 --> 00:00:34.760 - marital status, economic status, and national origin. And we affirm the right of every person to live 00:00:34.760 --> 00:00:42.802 - peacefully and without fear, and we will fight and resist at every step discrimination and harmful policies, 00:00:42.802 --> 00:00:50.696 - whatever their source. We believe in diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging. We also stand in support 00:00:50.696 --> 00:00:56.894 - of our public school systems, both RBB and MCCSC. With that, we will move on to our 00:00:58.146 --> 00:01:08.387 - Department updates. We have Ms. Kelly joining us from the Health Department. Good morning, Commissioners. 00:01:08.387 --> 00:01:17.566 - There is currently a gastrointestinal illness that's going around that's caused by a parasite. 00:01:18.018 --> 00:01:25.432 - Several states, including Indiana, have reported cases. This is called cyclospora, and it's thought 00:01:25.432 --> 00:01:33.069 - to be linked to raw vegetables and fruits. But the CDC is still working to identify the source at this 00:01:33.069 --> 00:01:40.483 - time. The Health Department does have vaccine appointments available. You can call 812-803-6364 for 00:01:40.483 --> 00:01:47.230 - an appointment. All right. Thank you so much. Comments or questions? Commissioner Madeira? 00:01:47.906 --> 00:01:56.017 - That's horrifying. Thank you so much for giving us an update on that. All right. Thank you so much, 00:01:56.017 --> 00:02:04.453 - Ms. Kelly. With that, let's see if there's any other department that has an update to offer. Raise your 00:02:04.453 --> 00:02:07.454 - hand on Teams or come to the podium. 00:02:15.682 --> 00:02:21.362 - Seeing none, we'll open this up to public comment. This is time for comment on items that are not on 00:02:21.362 --> 00:02:27.042 - our agenda. We ask each commenter to limit their time to three minutes and to provide their name and 00:02:27.042 --> 00:02:32.778 - county of residence as they begin speaking. Does anybody have any public comment for us? You can come 00:02:32.778 --> 00:02:35.646 - to the podium or you may raise your hand on teams. 00:02:43.810 --> 00:02:53.963 - Seeing none, we'll move on to agenda item five, please. Yes, I would like to move approval of the minutes 00:02:53.963 --> 00:03:04.115 - for July 2nd, 2026. I will second that. Any comments, corrections, or edits? No. I don't have any either. 00:03:04.115 --> 00:03:13.310 - And all those in favor of approving the minutes for July 2nd, 2026, signify by saying aye. Aye. 00:03:13.570 --> 00:03:21.828 - Motion carries 2-0. Next item, please. I would like to move approval of the claims docket for accounts 00:03:21.828 --> 00:03:29.925 - payable for July 9th, 2026, and for payroll for July 10th, 2026. I will second that. Ms. Guyard? Hi, 00:03:29.925 --> 00:03:38.263 - good morning. The accounts payable claims docket for July 9th, 2026 totals $1,419,944.70. This includes 00:03:38.263 --> 00:03:41.310 - all emergency claims and adjustments. 00:03:41.474 --> 00:03:55.566 - The payroll docket for July 10, 2026 includes $1,729,788.50 in direct costs, and the remaining $721,856.30 00:03:55.566 --> 00:04:09.130 - were for indirect costs for a grand total of $2,451,644.80. All right. Thank you so much. Any comments 00:04:09.130 --> 00:04:10.974 - or questions? 00:04:12.674 --> 00:04:24.215 - I don't have anything. I don't either. Thank you so much. Any public comment on this item? You can raise 00:04:24.215 --> 00:04:35.647 - your hand on teams or come to the podium. Seeing none, all those in favor of approving the claim stock, 00:04:35.647 --> 00:04:42.462 - it accounts payable July 9th, 2026 and payroll for July 10th, 00:04:43.010 --> 00:04:53.462 - 2026 signify by saying aye aye motion carries to zero I have to step out and log in so sure one moment 00:04:53.462 --> 00:05:03.710 - we're going to take a two minute recess thank you okay thank you we're back all right we're going to 00:05:03.710 --> 00:05:07.262 - now move on to new business please 00:05:10.594 --> 00:05:17.682 - Fund number 9103 in the amount of $9,880 annually. I will second that. Good morning. Good morning. Hello. 00:05:17.682 --> 00:05:24.570 - Well, how are you guys today? I'm here on behalf of our safe place contract continuation. This is just 00:05:24.570 --> 00:05:31.257 - approving our safe place contract between Indiana Youth Services Association and the Youth Services 00:05:31.257 --> 00:05:37.342 - Bureau of Monroe County. It will be in effect from July 1st, 2026 through June 30th, 2028. 00:05:39.394 --> 00:05:48.409 - Thank you so much. Comments or questions? Just underscoring how very important this contract and what 00:05:48.409 --> 00:05:57.070 - it symbolizes, what it represents to the community is how important the self-safe places remains. 00:05:57.070 --> 00:06:06.438 - Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. This is a continuation. Grateful. All right. Let's see if there is any public 00:06:06.438 --> 00:06:08.382 - comment on this item. 00:06:08.866 --> 00:06:22.005 - Raise your hand on teams or come to the podium. Seeing none, all those in favor of approving the safe 00:06:22.005 --> 00:06:34.886 - place contract continuation, signify by saying aye. Aye. Motion carries to zero. Thank you so much. 00:06:34.886 --> 00:06:38.750 - Thank you. Next item, please. 00:06:39.074 --> 00:06:49.128 - I would like to move approval of the Josh Huey service agreement. I fund name parks, not averting capital 00:06:49.128 --> 00:06:58.898 - fund number 1179 in the amount of $250. I will second that. And I believe we have Mr Robertson joining 00:06:58.898 --> 00:07:08.478 - us on team. Yep, I want teams today. Good morning. So this service agreements with Josh Huey's local 00:07:08.610 --> 00:07:14.520 - bluegrass musician. It is for a musical performance at Senior Day at the Fair. So historically, our 00:07:14.520 --> 00:07:20.607 - department has assisted the Fair Board in coordinating auditorium activities for Senior Day. The event 00:07:20.607 --> 00:07:26.635 - this year was on the 30th of June. Unfortunately, just with the timing of our park board meetings and 00:07:26.635 --> 00:07:32.604 - the commissioner meetings, we couldn't get it to you before the event. I explained that to our board 00:07:32.604 --> 00:07:37.982 - at our meeting. They felt in light of that, it was appropriate to use non-reverting funds. 00:07:38.178 --> 00:07:45.300 - to cover Josh's fees in case there were any questions or concerns, but I am happy to report that the 00:07:45.300 --> 00:07:52.633 - event went off this year without a hitch. We had around 130 folks attending, so it's popular every year 00:07:52.633 --> 00:07:59.685 - and continues to be. I can't really see Justin's face, but I wanted to tell him how badly he missed 00:07:59.685 --> 00:08:07.230 - out on this event, so I hope the vacation was worth it. But if there's any questions, I'm happy to answer. 00:08:11.106 --> 00:08:20.393 - Thank you so much. Comments or questions? I don't have any, no. Sounds like a great event, and I'm fine 00:08:20.393 --> 00:08:29.770 - with okaying this after the fact. Is there any public comment on this item? You raise your hand in teams 00:08:29.770 --> 00:08:39.236 - or come to the podium. Seeing none, all those in favor of approving the Josh QE service agreement signify 00:08:39.236 --> 00:08:41.022 - by saying aye. Aye. 00:08:41.122 --> 00:08:51.330 - Motion carries, two zero. Thank you. Thank you. All right, next we have the bid openings for crack ceilings, 00:08:51.330 --> 00:09:00.789 - crack ceiling, feeling of cracks in the asphalt. There we go. Thank you. So we received three sealed 00:09:00.789 --> 00:09:10.622 - bids that looked like. We sent out a list to the contractors for the areas that we would like to perform 00:09:10.786 --> 00:09:28.436 - crack ceiling preventive maintenance on the county roads. The first one is from RLH seal coating. This 00:09:28.436 --> 00:09:38.718 - bid is $145,995.60. The second one is from CNC contractors. 00:09:54.434 --> 00:10:07.518 - Their bid is $237,858. And the last bid is from All-Star Paving. 00:10:22.210 --> 00:10:32.693 - This bid is $319,878. Based on last year's bids, we estimated it to be approximately $159,000. So we 00:10:32.693 --> 00:10:43.280 - will take these under advisement and then hopefully get something awarded at next week's meeting. OK, 00:10:43.280 --> 00:10:51.998 - I'm happy to take this under advisement, yes? Yes. OK, great. And I appreciate your 00:10:52.162 --> 00:10:57.996 - work opening those and giving us the information. This is that sort of hot tar drizzle that goes in 00:10:57.996 --> 00:11:03.830 - the cracks in the asphalt to keep it, especially during the winter when you're freezing thawing, to 00:11:03.830 --> 00:11:09.663 - keep the asphalt in one piece. Yeah, it's actually, yeah, to seal it up so water doesn't get in the 00:11:09.663 --> 00:11:15.614 - cracks because then the cracks expand and then we get big potholes. There you go. Perfect. Thank you. 00:11:16.322 --> 00:11:25.901 - just so people know what we're talking about. All right, excellent. Thank you so much. We're going to 00:11:25.901 --> 00:11:35.667 - take that under advisement. Let's wait on a motion on this last item. Next we have our ARPA discussion. 00:11:35.667 --> 00:11:45.246 - And we have Ms. Woodruff here from the auditor's office. Thank you so much for joining us. So this is 00:11:45.602 --> 00:11:53.612 - In relation to the meeting of Tuesday, June 30th, and the council made a determination. So if you could 00:11:53.612 --> 00:12:00.158 - just give a small recap and then we'll see if Commissioner Madera has any questions. 00:12:01.026 --> 00:12:08.889 - Yes, so at the meeting on the 30th, the council made appropriations contingent on Commissioner action 00:12:08.889 --> 00:12:16.290 - as a recommendation for how the ARPA dollars that are in excess for some of the projects should 00:12:16.290 --> 00:12:18.526 - be reallocated. The auditors 00:12:19.266 --> 00:12:26.431 - advisement is that we reallocate those dollars within the open projects. Right now there are three open 00:12:26.431 --> 00:12:34.078 - projects that are requesting additional funding and all three of those projects were tentatively appropriated. 00:12:34.530 --> 00:12:44.037 - The appropriation amounts if you'd like me to go over those would be 200,000 to the Monroe fire ambulance 00:12:44.037 --> 00:12:53.097 - project 100,000 to the karst Park field project and fifteen thousand two hundred twenty five dollars 00:12:53.097 --> 00:13:01.438 - and 41 cents to the airport stormwater drainage project All right, do you have any Questions 00:13:03.586 --> 00:13:14.509 - do not. I was actually attending the meeting while I was shuttling back from Colorado, and so I have 00:13:14.509 --> 00:13:25.432 - a good understanding of the expenditures and the reasons why. So I am fine with all of these. Great. 00:13:25.432 --> 00:13:32.894 - My concern is pretty minimal, but I want to run something by you. So 00:13:33.314 --> 00:13:41.737 - we have information in that packet from June 30th from the airport that they won't know until the end 00:13:41.737 --> 00:13:50.159 - of October whether or not they need any of this stormwater funding. I would be surprised if we didn't 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:58.912 - have that answer before October, but I believe October is when they plan to have their project finalized. 00:13:58.912 --> 00:14:00.894 - So my question then is, 00:14:02.274 --> 00:14:11.917 - What happens in October? Can we pivot and move that money back out if they don't need it and then reallocate 00:14:11.917 --> 00:14:18.110 - it quickly to something that can be spent before the end of the year? 00:14:18.818 --> 00:14:26.087 - Yes, so actually at that same meeting, the council also voted to have any additional funding that becomes 00:14:26.087 --> 00:14:32.944 - available be automatically funneled to the CARST project. Those actions would still come before the 00:14:32.944 --> 00:14:39.870 - commissioners and the council at your independent meetings. However, it would be our plan to just go 00:14:39.870 --> 00:14:46.727 - ahead and funnel that money directly over to CARST, at least as much as CARST can take. And then if 00:14:46.727 --> 00:14:48.784 - we run into a situation where 00:14:48.784 --> 00:15:01.320 - car project is maxed out we can have a conversation then but I really hope that that won't happen. Okay 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:13.856 - so that's that's not in our wording. No. The last document in the packet in front of you is the council 00:15:13.856 --> 00:15:16.990 - action that directs that. 00:15:17.442 --> 00:15:28.346 - And again, these are all as recommendation. Okay. Do they have they don't have resolution numbers on 00:15:28.346 --> 00:15:39.249 - their documents at the council, correct? I don't believe they do. Yeah, because they just made these 00:15:39.249 --> 00:15:46.590 - motions without without writing. Okay. All right. Give me a second. 00:15:48.098 --> 00:16:00.500 - things at once so mr. Roddy can we can we just affirm by a motion and a vote can we just affirm the 00:16:00.500 --> 00:16:13.398 - D appropriations and appropriations made by the council on June 30th would that be clear enough without 00:16:13.398 --> 00:16:16.126 - having to go into the 00:16:20.034 --> 00:16:29.245 - I'm going to go ahead and make a motion that we affirm the deappropriation motion and the appropriation 00:16:29.245 --> 00:16:38.190 - motion regarding ARPA funding made by the council at the June 30th joint meeting. Perfect. Okay. And 00:16:38.190 --> 00:16:47.047 - the total amount is going to be $315,225.41. Okay? Good? Am I covering everything? Okay. All right. 00:16:47.047 --> 00:16:49.438 - So let's go ahead and see. 00:16:49.602 --> 00:17:00.632 - If there's any public comment on this item, you can raise your hand on Teams or come to the podium. 00:17:00.632 --> 00:17:12.325 - Okay. Seeing none, all those in favor of affirming the Council's deappropriation motion and appropriation 00:17:12.325 --> 00:17:17.950 - motion of June 30th, 2026 signified by saying aye. 00:17:18.754 --> 00:17:29.205 - Motion carries, two zero. Thank you so much. All right, we don't have any appointments today. I do want 00:17:29.205 --> 00:17:39.556 - to note that on Saturday, July 11th, we're going to have a little ceremony here in the courthouse. For 00:17:39.556 --> 00:17:47.998 - anybody who's been in the rotunda, you'll notice there's a little curtain up there. 00:17:49.090 --> 00:17:57.879 - And everybody wants to peek behind it, which is fine. But we are going to be unveiling a new plaque 00:17:57.879 --> 00:18:06.932 - to commemorate the Monroe County residents who served as soldiers in the American Revolution. And this 00:18:06.932 --> 00:18:15.809 - has been a project of the Daughters of the American Revolution. They've really done a wonderful job. 00:18:15.809 --> 00:18:18.270 - And so Saturday at 11 a.m., 00:18:18.402 --> 00:18:26.923 - here in the courthouse. We invite the public to come and attend. And right after that is the history 00:18:26.923 --> 00:18:35.445 - center's block party appropriately enough. So if you want to make a bit of a day of it, head on over 00:18:35.445 --> 00:18:44.050 - to the Monroe County History Center and just block away and enjoy the festivities there for America's 00:18:44.050 --> 00:18:47.678 - 250th. So we really want to thank everyone 00:18:47.810 --> 00:18:55.348 - with the Daughters of the American Revolution who've made this possible. They did the research. We had 00:18:55.348 --> 00:19:02.814 - some names missing, some names misspelled, and they found everything. So there's a wonderful pamphlet 00:19:02.814 --> 00:19:10.352 - that they made up that we have copies of downstairs as well, which explains who each of these men were 00:19:10.352 --> 00:19:17.598 - and their connection with Monroe County. It's very, very cool. So we do invite you to attend that. 00:19:17.698 --> 00:19:27.321 - I just want to remind folks that we do have office hours, six hours each month. Just go to our calendar, 00:19:27.321 --> 00:19:36.577 - log in, and you can speak with one of us. The utility vehicle code that we passed last week was as a 00:19:36.577 --> 00:19:44.734 - result of a office hour call, so it's a good thing. We do encourage folks to sign up for 00:19:45.058 --> 00:19:56.194 - the resident alert system for any emergencies. You can receive a phone call, text, and or email. Just 00:19:56.194 --> 00:20:06.566 - go to our homepage and find that button and sign up. It's free to all Monroe County residents. 00:20:06.566 --> 00:20:11.806 - We do want to, if I could... ESD, if I could... 00:20:13.634 --> 00:20:38.271 - share my screen. I would really appreciate it. Thank you so much. Okay. So one of the things that we 00:20:38.271 --> 00:20:42.174 - have run across 00:20:42.882 --> 00:20:54.839 - and we continue to run across is, it still seems there's a lack of information out there, although the 00:20:54.839 --> 00:21:06.679 - information's there, it's just that it's not getting to the public about this justice center project. 00:21:06.679 --> 00:21:10.974 - And I really think it's important to 00:21:12.802 --> 00:21:22.395 - about this project and get moving on this project as soon as possible and we'll talk about the subcommittee 00:21:22.395 --> 00:21:31.810 - in a moment but there are a couple of things that the board agrees on are required for the Justice Center 00:21:31.810 --> 00:21:40.958 - project and one is time and by that I mean as short of time as possible to move as quickly as possible 00:21:41.378 --> 00:21:50.901 - Without delay, time has become the most important factor for us. It's going to help defray some of the 00:21:50.901 --> 00:22:00.239 - future costs of inflation the sooner we get started, because we all know that construction inflation 00:22:00.239 --> 00:22:09.669 - is even worse than what we pay at the gas pump in the grocery store. And the human costs are too much 00:22:09.669 --> 00:22:10.686 - to ignore. 00:22:10.882 --> 00:22:20.350 - Do you want to talk about the space side of this? Yeah, so we need to find at least 25 acres and that's 00:22:20.350 --> 00:22:29.727 - an official determination I believe by DLZ in cooperation with the sheriff and other entities to build 00:22:29.727 --> 00:22:33.278 - a jail facility and in the future when 00:22:33.378 --> 00:22:39.859 - the council deems it possible when the board of commissioners deems it possible to construct the remainder 00:22:39.859 --> 00:22:46.219 - of the justice center project, which will include the prosecutor, the public defender, and the remainder 00:22:46.219 --> 00:22:52.458 - of the courts, and also the clerk's office. And so I'd like to talk a little later about this too, but 00:22:52.458 --> 00:22:58.758 - a single floor jail facility is both empirically valid, evidence-based in other words, and it will also 00:22:58.758 --> 00:23:00.030 - save money long-term 00:23:00.130 --> 00:23:08.453 - because it's more efficient in terms of personnel proximity and access. And in terms of facility maintenance, 00:23:08.453 --> 00:23:16.020 - it enhances inmate and staff well-being. It's more secure for jail staff and inmates. And it avoids 00:23:16.020 --> 00:23:23.737 - additional risks as well for correctional officers who must be in that facility. And so other justice 00:23:23.737 --> 00:23:28.126 - offices may be sited in a multi-floor structure, however. 00:23:28.546 --> 00:23:35.062 - And also, it should be noted that courts, the prosecutor's office, and the sheriff's office had been 00:23:35.062 --> 00:23:41.513 - operating in a co-located facility for 40 years. And so it's also strongly preferred. There is also 00:23:41.513 --> 00:23:48.157 - a long-term cost, or I would say long-term costs, if we fail to co-locate justice-related departments. 00:23:48.157 --> 00:23:54.931 - This will require additional personnel, additional time, additional vehicles. It will also perhaps incur 00:23:54.931 --> 00:23:56.350 - additional liability. 00:23:57.570 --> 00:24:04.476 - transportation and other costs. And also, we've heard many concerns from the community as to whether 00:24:04.476 --> 00:24:11.655 - the current Zitlo building can be rehabilitated as a jail. This building is beyond repair, both in terms 00:24:11.655 --> 00:24:18.766 - of the jail and the administrative portion. That does not mean that it cannot be used for some function 00:24:18.766 --> 00:24:25.877 - in the future, that it must be torn down. It would just need to be probably reduced to studs to be used 00:24:25.877 --> 00:24:27.518 - again for some purpose. 00:24:28.354 --> 00:24:36.479 - And so in addition, if there is no co-location in the future, transporting inmates continuously between 00:24:36.479 --> 00:24:44.370 - the jail and the courts long-term poses not only a lot of costs, but also unnecessary security risks 00:24:44.370 --> 00:24:52.260 - as well. Would you like to talk about circulation? Yeah. So one of the space aspects relates to that 00:24:52.260 --> 00:24:57.182 - vehicle circulation where we need to have a separation between 00:24:57.602 --> 00:25:07.856 - the sheriff's vehicles and the public, people accessing the court, emergency access for first responders, 00:25:07.856 --> 00:25:17.723 - delivery vehicles, all of the things that make that little village of a justice center operate. So we 00:25:17.723 --> 00:25:22.366 - do need to make sure that we have secure routes 00:25:22.466 --> 00:25:32.517 - that we have sufficient access for emergency and fire services. So what this has to do with is the connecting 00:25:32.517 --> 00:25:41.928 - roads, right? So you have to be able, and that's part of that buildable space to be able to build sort 00:25:41.928 --> 00:25:51.614 - of the half circle or full circle driveway around a facility. We do have a design for a 404 bed facility. 00:25:51.842 --> 00:26:00.424 - with the ability to expand in the future. I think one of the things that we do need to mention, because 00:26:00.424 --> 00:26:08.675 - we've all heard it, oh, I'm not going to prove anything more than 200 beds. Well, Vigo County built 00:26:08.675 --> 00:26:17.092 - their jail. We went and saw it just before it opened, just to do a tour and see what they did or what 00:26:17.092 --> 00:26:21.630 - they didn't like and all of that. It was 2019 or 2023? 00:26:22.050 --> 00:26:27.725 - Oh, oh, yes, okay, gotcha. More recent. They started the process in 2010. Yes. But they've already now 00:26:27.725 --> 00:26:33.235 - been ordered by court to build a second jail because their first jail isn't big enough. And when we 00:26:33.235 --> 00:26:39.130 - walked in the door, the jail commander said to me, the council cut our budget, we built a smaller facility 00:26:39.130 --> 00:26:45.246 - than we wanted, and we're going to have to try to figure out how to make this work. Well, that's what happens. 00:26:45.474 --> 00:26:52.839 - There can't be any kind of legal impediment to building. There can't be environmental impediments to 00:26:52.839 --> 00:27:00.642 - building. And again, because those relate to that time element, that time factor. Same thing with physical 00:27:00.642 --> 00:27:08.372 - impediments to building like harsh features, storm water, flood concerns, slope issues, et cetera. Again, 00:27:08.372 --> 00:27:14.206 - related to time. Not that those are things that can't be overcome, they can be. 00:27:14.818 --> 00:27:22.265 - But it takes time. And anything in the city will take an extra year. Anything. Because it has to go 00:27:22.265 --> 00:27:29.862 - through city planning, city council process. That's just the way it is. Because notifications have to 00:27:29.862 --> 00:27:37.532 - go out. They have a structure in place. And it's a democratic structure that allows and encourages the 00:27:37.532 --> 00:27:40.958 - public to be engaged in the planning process. 00:27:41.346 --> 00:27:49.917 - that process. We have a similar process in Monroe County. I will also note that we have preferences. 00:27:49.917 --> 00:27:58.828 - So those are the requirements, time and space. Preferences, location, your highway, access to a hospital 00:27:58.828 --> 00:28:07.400 - nearby or a direct route. We do care and are concerned about transportation services and that may be 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:09.182 - transit, that may be 00:28:09.442 --> 00:28:18.163 - Lift uber on a sunday. I don't know but we can figure that out that part's sort of the easy part compared 00:28:18.163 --> 00:28:26.555 - to everything else And everybody talks about well, I want the jail to be near services Does that mean 00:28:26.555 --> 00:28:35.194 - a bus ride away because there's no place in this city? where you are in walking distance to every single 00:28:35.194 --> 00:28:38.814 - type of service Christ Jail transition food 00:28:39.042 --> 00:28:46.743 - shelter. It is all over the community, which is good, but that means you're going to have to have transit 00:28:46.743 --> 00:28:54.081 - right now. We don't even offer transit on Sundays from from our group facility. We also would prefer 00:28:54.081 --> 00:29:01.419 - a place where we could have natural lighting, which involves a one floor facility and green space in 00:29:01.419 --> 00:29:08.830 - the surrounding area because we know again empirically that studies have shown that this is a benefit 00:29:09.410 --> 00:29:27.129 - to those who are housed. Now, having given that information to you, I'm going to now share a chart because 00:29:27.129 --> 00:29:36.734 - it's entirely possible that all of the information on our 00:29:36.994 --> 00:29:48.113 - website. We do have a website dedicated to the Justice Center project, the jail facility. And it's a 00:29:48.113 --> 00:29:59.232 - lot to read, right? So we've really condensed this down to the bare minimum of important points. And 00:29:59.232 --> 00:30:06.718 - what we did is we listed out all of the sites that we have visited. 00:30:07.266 --> 00:30:16.063 - And this may not yet be on our website, but it will be. But I'll show you how it is on our website right 00:30:16.063 --> 00:30:24.691 - now in a moment. So do you want to talk through that? Talk through the chart? Sure. So we essentially, 00:30:24.691 --> 00:30:32.734 - this is the same information that's available already on the website. There's nothing new here. 00:30:33.026 --> 00:30:41.099 - And this is a visual representation. So instead of just representing this all in white, it's visually 00:30:41.099 --> 00:30:49.252 - readily ascertainable what site, for a number of reasons, the commissioners in the past determined was 00:30:49.252 --> 00:30:57.405 - the best fit, according to a number of factors. And so there is one site that met that, which is North 00:30:57.405 --> 00:31:01.758 - Park. And of course, everyone knows why, historically. 00:31:01.858 --> 00:31:05.918 - So there is a number of chart. 00:31:06.626 --> 00:31:13.091 - headings, so a key barrier decision point, you'll see that North Park is marked in green because there 00:31:13.091 --> 00:31:19.618 - is none. It meets all of the key factors. So you'll see along the top, there's an investigation period, 00:31:19.618 --> 00:31:25.895 - how the interim period that we looked at this property, the size of the property, the timeline that 00:31:25.895 --> 00:31:32.862 - it would take to construct, the route of access taken to the property, legal zoning constraints, sewer access, 00:31:32.962 --> 00:31:39.783 - cost considerations. In other words, not only what the property would cost, but also any additional 00:31:39.783 --> 00:31:46.468 - properties that would need to be acquired, any physical constraints, cars features, environmental 00:31:46.468 --> 00:31:53.358 - consideration slope, benefits writ large. So whether the county owns it, for example, time to build, 00:31:53.358 --> 00:31:57.246 - whether it would be close or farther away from downtown. 00:31:57.314 --> 00:32:03.501 - know disadvantages, writ large, whether or not there would need to be utilities moved, whether or not 00:32:03.501 --> 00:32:09.628 - it would be, for example, very small, difficult to access, and then the overall conclusion is to the 00:32:09.628 --> 00:32:15.876 - property. And so we realize these are fairly broad categories. Down the left side of the chart, you'll 00:32:15.876 --> 00:32:22.124 - see individual properties. Some of these, you'll notice, did not get a whole lot of discussion. You'll 00:32:22.124 --> 00:32:27.280 - also notice that there is quite a bit of overlap between the properties on our chart 00:32:27.280 --> 00:32:33.744 - and the properties being considered by the Collaborative Justice Working Group. And so basically, a 00:32:33.744 --> 00:32:40.530 - lot of our information will map onto their matrix to show how the commissioners considered this property 00:32:40.530 --> 00:32:47.252 - in the past for public members that are interested in the past consideration commissioners gave to that 00:32:47.252 --> 00:32:48.222 - same property. 00:32:49.890 --> 00:32:59.706 - And there is some duplication across from left to right. The one thing I will note is that there are 00:32:59.706 --> 00:33:09.523 - some that duplication, but also the absence because we stopped investigating certain properties. And 00:33:09.523 --> 00:33:18.270 - we did consult with neighbors on a number of these occasions. So those are noted as well. 00:33:18.786 --> 00:33:35.358 - And we have here a pretty comprehensive list of what we've looked at. The smallest being 9.71 acres, 00:33:35.358 --> 00:33:44.382 - which is way too small for what we needed. So this is, 00:33:45.698 --> 00:33:55.370 - a good sort of overview of all the work that's been done. This has been done over the course of many 00:33:55.370 --> 00:34:05.808 - years. When I read through this list of sites, I can remember going out to the sites with DLZ, Mr. Cockrell, 00:34:05.808 --> 00:34:13.182 - other commissioners, and looking at so many of these and trying to ascertain 00:34:13.282 --> 00:34:21.033 - the pros and cons in a quick overview way before further investigation was pursued to determine, 00:34:21.033 --> 00:34:29.263 - you know, so there's sort of that overarching, is this property going to work? Is this possible to the 00:34:29.263 --> 00:34:37.093 - more granular? We have to get geotechnical studies. We have to go and look at the curse features, 00:34:37.093 --> 00:34:43.166 - et cetera, et cetera. So for folks who are interested, this will be posted. 00:34:43.394 --> 00:34:57.136 - on our jail website, hopefully today. And we're hopeful that this will become a good way for people 00:34:57.136 --> 00:35:10.878 - to understand all the work that's been done so far. And a lot of work has been done so far. I would 00:35:10.878 --> 00:35:13.214 - add as well that 00:35:14.178 --> 00:35:28.071 - if there are different properties on this matrix, they're even smaller. And so really they're not even, 00:35:28.071 --> 00:35:41.429 - it's not really even possible to consider them. But what we don't have on here, although we kind of 00:35:41.429 --> 00:35:43.166 - reflected it 00:35:43.522 --> 00:35:52.344 - in the way that the columns are organized is, you know, the status is immediately visible in that second 00:35:52.344 --> 00:36:01.083 - column with the color. And it is difficult to, with the columns that we used, to say, well, this column 00:36:01.083 --> 00:36:09.569 - is more important than the next one or, you know, to put them in some kind of order. But clearly, if 00:36:09.569 --> 00:36:13.182 - our requirements relate to time and space, 00:36:13.602 --> 00:36:26.101 - those are evidence in here, right? So we may reorder that a little bit to reflect that priority before 00:36:26.101 --> 00:36:38.358 - we post it, but otherwise it's good the way it is. I do want to show something that Mr. Beighton has 00:36:38.358 --> 00:36:40.542 - completed for us. 00:36:44.482 --> 00:37:14.462 - figure out how to do this. We go. I love technology. So Mr. Baton has created a 00:37:14.850 --> 00:37:25.500 - map version of this chart. And it's really neat. Appreciate the fact that he got it done so quickly. 00:37:25.500 --> 00:37:36.255 - But you can see the shapes in, I'll make this bigger. You can see the shapes here. And when you click 00:37:36.255 --> 00:37:43.742 - on them, they will provide that same information that is on our chart. 00:37:43.970 --> 00:37:53.970 - as you can see here, that pops up, which is great. There's actually two pages of that on that one. The 00:37:53.970 --> 00:38:03.679 - other thing I would recommend that you do is to turn on the slope layer. And because if you zoom in 00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:09.310 - onto a site, you are going to be able to see slope issues 00:38:10.690 --> 00:38:18.889 - on those properties. So that's the Thompson property, for example. And when you click on it, you'll 00:38:18.889 --> 00:38:27.662 - be able to see the information from that chart. So in a sense, this information is already on our website. 00:38:27.662 --> 00:38:36.024 - So I wanted to show that. Do we want to see the committees? Anything else you want to add about this? 00:38:36.024 --> 00:38:38.238 - No, is there a floodplain? 00:38:39.874 --> 00:38:49.338 - No, no, just the slope, but we have, I don't think the... It was a rush job, so. Yeah, I didn't know 00:38:49.338 --> 00:38:58.990 - if GIS had that. They do have that. We can ask them to add that later. Okay, that's really cool. Yeah, 00:38:58.990 --> 00:39:04.894 - excellent. Thank you so much. So all of the sites are up here. 00:39:05.218 --> 00:39:13.015 - um vernal pike north park west which is the one we we walked and said oh my gosh way too hilly way too 00:39:13.015 --> 00:39:20.661 - slopey um and then um the north park site here um i will just note for the record that some of these 00:39:20.661 --> 00:39:28.232 - boundaries as well because this was a very quick um ask of the gis office uh dr bayton um just used 00:39:28.232 --> 00:39:30.654 - parcel lines and so they're not 00:39:30.786 --> 00:39:37.788 - always going to be accurate. So for example, Discovery Parkway, we were actually looking at this lot 00:39:37.788 --> 00:39:44.789 - in the back, not the whole of it because that's the hospital. So the polygons are not quite right on 00:39:44.789 --> 00:39:51.930 - point, but you get the idea. It's a rough approximation in reality. So people know where we've looked, 00:39:51.930 --> 00:39:57.822 - what we've done. Yeah, for sure. So do you want to talk about the subcommittee next? 00:39:58.146 --> 00:40:06.388 - Sure. Do you want to do any more with this first? I think this would be very useful for people to... 00:40:06.388 --> 00:40:14.956 - I talk to a lot of people, for example, who don't know where North Park is or don't know where precisely 00:40:14.956 --> 00:40:23.687 - Thompson is and the power lines property. Okay. Gotcha. Okay. So do you want to move on to talk through... 00:40:23.687 --> 00:40:28.094 - Is that clean? Yeah. Sure. Go ahead. You start. Okay. 00:40:28.194 --> 00:40:35.179 - As we know that there is the collaborative justice working group is meeting. I believe they have tonight 00:40:35.179 --> 00:40:41.830 - they're meeting and they have one more meeting after that before they come up with a recommendation 00:40:41.830 --> 00:40:48.615 - for a property. Indiana law does place the duty to establish and maintain a county jail on the county 00:40:48.615 --> 00:40:55.666 - executive. And in this county, at least we are the commissioners are the executive and legislative heads. 00:40:55.666 --> 00:40:57.662 - I think public discussion and 00:40:57.762 --> 00:41:04.218 - still has value because India has opened door laws built around the idea that the public should be able 00:41:04.218 --> 00:41:10.675 - to witness government in action and participate more fully in the government process. And I should note 00:41:10.675 --> 00:41:17.566 - that these are my remarks. I do think it's important to clarify what types of authority different bodies have. 00:41:17.698 --> 00:41:23.530 - I think it's important for the commissioners to discuss issues like this publicly to the extent that 00:41:23.530 --> 00:41:29.361 - we can with the advice of legal counsel and be active in these efforts because the board still has a 00:41:29.361 --> 00:41:35.193 - statutory responsibility of course for the jail facility and for decisions about county property and 00:41:35.193 --> 00:41:40.505 - as does the council. The existence of another community conversation does not relieve us of 00:41:40.505 --> 00:41:45.470 - this responsibility and it does not make our own discussion and decision unnecessary. 00:41:45.954 --> 00:41:51.393 - I also don't view these conversations as competing with one another. Government meetings are where the 00:41:51.393 --> 00:41:56.833 - public can hear directly from the body charged with making county executive decisions, as you've heard 00:41:56.833 --> 00:42:02.378 - from us today. The broader community group can serve a different purpose. It can help elected officials, 00:42:02.378 --> 00:42:07.659 - justices and partners, and residents understand the facts, constraints, and tradeoffs that surround 00:42:07.659 --> 00:42:08.926 - any jail site decision. 00:42:09.154 --> 00:42:14.974 - And I think representations like our chart and the community collaborative working group matrix are 00:42:14.974 --> 00:42:21.201 - useful because they help move the conversation away from slogans and misunderstandings and toward concrete 00:42:21.201 --> 00:42:26.206 - criteria like time and space like infrastructure and access and costs and legal risk. 00:42:26.306 --> 00:42:32.004 - operational feasibility, and the ability to understand unconstitutional conditions. But these don't 00:42:32.004 --> 00:42:37.360 - decide the issue for us. It helps the public to see why these issues are difficult, why delay 00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:43.058 - is consequences, and what responsible decision making has looked like, why any responsible decision 00:42:43.058 --> 00:42:46.078 - has to be grounded in facts rather than assumptions. 00:42:46.402 --> 00:42:51.458 - So a non-binding group can still play an educational function. It can clarify. It can build 00:42:51.458 --> 00:42:57.120 - public understanding. And it can help surface concerns. And here, I always think of the Indiana Public 00:42:57.120 --> 00:43:02.945 - Access Counselor, right? It's described as a non-binding resource, but its role includes public education 00:43:02.945 --> 00:43:08.552 - and training and advice and interpretive materials. So in a way, non-binding doesn't mean not useful, 00:43:08.552 --> 00:43:10.750 - although it doesn't have such authority 00:43:10.882 --> 00:43:17.161 - a statutory authority to choose a jail site, to buy the county to appropriate money or to substitute 00:43:17.161 --> 00:43:23.501 - its judgment for the commissioners or the council or any other elected body. But I think here the key 00:43:23.501 --> 00:43:29.780 - factor is that the committee has the ability to inform and not decide. And public education can have 00:43:29.780 --> 00:43:30.526 - real value. 00:43:30.818 --> 00:43:37.388 - Here a group that brings some of those perspectives into the same conversation can help the public understand 00:43:37.388 --> 00:43:43.539 - the stakes and the trade-offs more clearly Just as I hope our chart here today can understand can help 00:43:43.539 --> 00:43:49.810 - the public understand what the board of commissioners has done So I think the value of the collaborative 00:43:49.810 --> 00:43:54.110 - group is not is is not in that it decides I think it's value in that is 00:43:54.210 --> 00:44:01.318 - sorry, is in that it informs. It can help create correct misinformation, identify unanswered questions, 00:44:01.318 --> 00:44:07.811 - and explain why criteria matter. So, and I think, you know, courts welcome good faith efforts, 00:44:07.811 --> 00:44:14.783 - but in the end, you know, it's we as the county who must act responsibly, and that includes us as the 00:44:14.783 --> 00:44:22.164 - council and us as the commissioners. Yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, I appreciate that. It is a non-binding 00:44:22.164 --> 00:44:23.326 - group. They will 00:44:23.714 --> 00:44:30.727 - make some sort of recommendation, but they've also limited their role to begin with. Well, 00:44:30.727 --> 00:44:38.665 - first of all, the investigations have been done. It's not clear that every member of the committee has 00:44:38.665 --> 00:44:46.834 - access and the ability time to find the time to read through our exhaustive, I mean, we have geotechnical 00:44:46.834 --> 00:44:51.998 - studies that are in binders for one property. So I mean, you know. 00:44:52.386 --> 00:45:01.281 - who's gonna read through that, right? Yeah. But by automatically eliminating anything outside the city, 00:45:01.281 --> 00:45:09.834 - I think they've hurt their process and it's too bad because if you look at their matrix, you'll see 00:45:09.834 --> 00:45:18.558 - except where things are inaccurate about North Park, it's the only site that meets every requirement. 00:45:18.786 --> 00:45:25.612 - except no, it's not in the city. But if you start with a requirement, it has to be in the city, you're 00:45:25.612 --> 00:45:32.239 - adding a year. You're adding a year. And in fact, they have two different listings for planning and 00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:38.866 - zoning here that would be more than a year. I think that this is a mistake and that it is truly the 00:45:38.866 --> 00:45:45.626 - nine to 12 months total. But I don't know because you have to prepare a petition. You take it in, you 00:45:45.626 --> 00:45:47.614 - get on the docket, et cetera. 00:45:47.778 --> 00:45:56.864 - So it is about a year. It took us about a year to get Fullerton through city counts city planning and 00:45:56.864 --> 00:46:05.771 - city council Sure, yeah, there may be other things there may be other Board of zoning appeals maybe 00:46:05.771 --> 00:46:14.590 - need to be involved on something So it really depends on the property for sure So that's a low end 00:46:14.914 --> 00:46:20.667 - You know, I think the very, if you had a petition ready to go, I think you could get it through in nine 00:46:20.667 --> 00:46:26.309 - months. I think you could, maybe, but it depends on how many other petitions they have. I mean, it's, 00:46:26.309 --> 00:46:32.117 - yeah, it's all dependent, but that's the fastest you could really get that done. One other thing I think 00:46:32.117 --> 00:46:37.649 - that is worth noting as well is before you go through that process, you need full design documents, 00:46:37.649 --> 00:46:39.806 - at least in design stage one from DLZ. 00:46:40.130 --> 00:46:47.136 - And I believe that would take three to four months, I believe, is the estimate on a vest. It depends 00:46:47.136 --> 00:46:54.074 - on the site. We already have one for Fullerton, for example, right? But Fullerton is a mile further 00:46:54.074 --> 00:47:01.427 - away than North Park. Yes, it's in the city, but is it closer to downtown? No. So what is more important? 00:47:01.427 --> 00:47:02.398 - I don't know. 00:47:02.722 --> 00:47:11.306 - Yeah, so there are some things where we have a design we're ready to go, but most things we don't. Most 00:47:11.306 --> 00:47:19.889 - things we don't. And a lot of these sites, again, that have been very creatively listed, you have very, 00:47:19.889 --> 00:47:28.555 - very small lots that aren't going to be able to do anything, five acres, three and a half acres. I mean, 00:47:28.555 --> 00:47:31.774 - that is just really, really difficult. 00:47:31.906 --> 00:47:41.316 - And they've included the Tap Road and Fullerton and Thompson, which are all large enough, but each of 00:47:41.316 --> 00:47:50.634 - them have their own limitations, with Thompson having not just the nine-month-plus delay, but also a 00:47:50.634 --> 00:47:54.878 - significant delay related to the power poles. 00:47:56.034 --> 00:48:03.363 - That's in addition. So it's more and more and more. But Taproot North and Taproot South, again, they're 00:48:03.363 --> 00:48:10.833 - on our chart. You can go look at that map on our website. They have very significant grade issues between 00:48:10.833 --> 00:48:18.514 - 60 and 75 feet that would have to be overcome. And they also have a lot of limitations relating to floodways 00:48:18.514 --> 00:48:24.574 - and the siting. So even though you go, oh, it's 100 acres. Why don't we just do that? 00:48:24.866 --> 00:48:32.766 - Well, most of that is going to be unusable. And in TAP Road South, the city has a transportation plan 00:48:32.766 --> 00:48:40.511 - like we do, and their transportation plan requires a road be built between TAP and Fullerton on TAP 00:48:40.511 --> 00:48:48.255 - Road South property. So that's a huge expense, right? And whatever developer develops that property 00:48:48.255 --> 00:48:52.670 - is supposed to do that. So there's a lot to think about. 00:48:52.802 --> 00:49:03.311 - I appreciate the folks for their interest in convening this group, but I really, it's sad that they 00:49:03.311 --> 00:49:14.135 - limited themselves, that they limited the options and possibilities by taking a county property, which 00:49:14.135 --> 00:49:19.390 - is a stone's throw from the city, out of the mix. 00:49:19.906 --> 00:49:30.118 - right off the bat and it's too bad because I think the public won't understand the full range of what's 00:49:30.118 --> 00:49:35.518 - possible as a result. And one other I promised I would 00:49:35.682 --> 00:49:42.478 - address one other point, which is the single-level versus multi-level and the importance of a single-level 00:49:42.478 --> 00:49:48.894 - facility. One of the things I've looked into, partly because counsel asked questions about this back 00:49:48.894 --> 00:49:55.309 - in January, partly because it's a research interest of mine, is the criminological value of carceral 00:49:55.309 --> 00:50:02.296 - spaces. So there's this whole carceral empirical body of work on what effect spaces have on inmate experience 00:50:02.296 --> 00:50:05.662 - and on staff experience. And so there's all of these 00:50:05.794 --> 00:50:13.497 - studies, peer-reviewed studies, which look at suicidality and inmate assaults and other property offenses. 00:50:13.497 --> 00:50:20.984 - And these one-level jails with line of sight and podular design, yes, you can build them on multi-level 00:50:20.984 --> 00:50:28.327 - facilities, but the presence of greenery and natural light and lines of sight that are truly lines of 00:50:28.327 --> 00:50:33.150 - sight without huge corridors, efficiencies of space, those are all 00:50:33.314 --> 00:50:41.327 - pluses that relate to one story single level facilities and the correlation to lack of violent assaults 00:50:41.327 --> 00:50:45.950 - compared to multilevel facilities is there when you look at 00:50:46.146 --> 00:50:53.465 - actual facilities that are in operation now. So this is not armchair philosophy. These are observed 00:50:53.465 --> 00:51:01.003 - reality in peer review studies. And so when I look at the facility that we're building and when I look 00:51:01.003 --> 00:51:08.469 - at the values of our community, I see an inmate experience. I want people to have the least traumatic 00:51:08.469 --> 00:51:15.934 - experience in a facility that we know is traumatic for everyone. And so no one likes being in prison. 00:51:17.058 --> 00:51:23.835 - I don't wanna build a prison that is more prison-like than it has to be. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and that 00:51:23.835 --> 00:51:30.681 - reflects our community values more appropriately. I agree. So I think it's important when looking at 00:51:30.681 --> 00:51:37.458 - the committee's matrix to think about what is more important and what is less important. Obviously, 00:51:37.458 --> 00:51:43.422 - downtown or city versus not city, even if it's not downtown, seems to be more important 00:51:44.866 --> 00:51:54.027 - the most important thing because they've taken one site off the map. But among these other elements 00:51:54.027 --> 00:52:03.371 - of the size and all these other things, it would be really good to have a sense of what the committee 00:52:03.371 --> 00:52:12.990 - thinks is the most important. I don't know that anyone thinks that time is important because they've all 00:52:13.090 --> 00:52:21.640 - Anything in the city is going to require that year minimum minimum so I don't think that is a significant 00:52:21.640 --> 00:52:29.868 - factor for this committee, but it is for us because we are we're facing litigation here and We really 00:52:29.868 --> 00:52:37.854 - need to act quickly I've been attending a lot of the sessions and I've been offering comment and I 00:52:38.082 --> 00:52:44.531 - One of the comments I put in was the need to grade or differentiate what criteria are more important. 00:52:44.531 --> 00:52:50.980 - One of the things that came out of one of the last meetings was an emphasis on constitutionality. And 00:52:50.980 --> 00:52:56.861 - I'm not sure what that means in terms of a constitutional facility, because a facility could 00:52:56.861 --> 00:53:03.563 - be constitutional in many different forms, even in a multi-level form. And so I think when you're dialing 00:53:03.563 --> 00:53:07.230 - down to this facility, what does that mean operationally? 00:53:07.394 --> 00:53:13.573 - And so I think that can be defined a number of ways. But at the end of the day, it's going to be an 00:53:13.573 --> 00:53:19.815 - inmate experience and staff experience and safety that I'll be looking at when I vote on a site. And 00:53:19.815 --> 00:53:26.179 - of course, it's not up to us. It's also going to be entwined with the courts and things like that. But 00:53:26.179 --> 00:53:30.814 - I very much appreciate the public comments. I appreciate the public input. 00:53:30.978 --> 00:53:37.048 - all of this, and I also think, you know, we have our own layer now on what, so the public can go on 00:53:37.048 --> 00:53:43.239 - and see how our matrix corresponds to the committees. Yeah, that's a good, that's a good point. Yeah, 00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:49.369 - and I would just note that I get asked a lot, like, well, why do you need 25 acres? Well, because we 00:53:49.369 --> 00:53:55.682 - do need to co-locate. Why do you need to co-locate? A bunch of cities and towns don't have co-location. 00:53:55.682 --> 00:53:58.110 - Well, what poor planning would that be? 00:53:58.530 --> 00:54:05.653 - because the building that our court services are in is falling apart because it was built on a shoestring 00:54:05.653 --> 00:54:12.104 - budget 40 years ago. And I don't want to stick the commissioner 40 years from now with garbage. 00:54:12.104 --> 00:54:18.958 - I just don't. But the other thing is that, yes, we're used to co-location, but there are risks, there 00:54:18.958 --> 00:54:26.283 - are costs, there are ongoing costs if you're not co-located. Now, we understand we're not going to co-locate 00:54:26.283 --> 00:54:27.358 - now. We get it. 00:54:27.522 --> 00:54:37.312 - The money situation with the state legislature is hard to pin down, to say the least. But to not plan 00:54:37.312 --> 00:54:47.103 - for colocation, I think, is a real problem. And to me, as a commissioner, colocation, not colocation, 00:54:47.103 --> 00:54:52.478 - I'm not really phased either way. But we did hear this. 00:54:52.610 --> 00:55:00.643 - from the sheriff. We did hear this from the courts. We did hear this from the prosecutor's office. They 00:55:00.643 --> 00:55:08.985 - all understand colocation is necessary. So I'm on board with them. I'm supporting what their determinations 00:55:08.985 --> 00:55:16.863 - are. And that's how we get to colocation. Even if it's not immediate, we do need the property. At the 00:55:16.863 --> 00:55:22.270 - very least, I don't think we can take that option away at this stage. 00:55:22.402 --> 00:55:29.948 - right right all right um anything else on this um no i think that i think that's my um i think those 00:55:29.948 --> 00:55:37.569 - are my remarks okay great um we appreciate everyone listening um we do have a work session which we'd 00:55:37.569 --> 00:55:45.265 - like to start at 11 30 um and i know we have one item on the work session which is a planning petition 00:55:45.265 --> 00:55:48.478 - but i'm going to ask planning if they will 00:55:49.634 --> 00:55:57.987 - Grace we have another department which is a sheriff's office that wants to come in and talk with us 00:55:57.987 --> 00:56:06.340 - and they can go first planning can go second so we're going to do that and that will be at 1130 our 00:56:06.340 --> 00:56:14.526 - next meeting our next regular meeting is the 16th of July anything else for the good of the order 00:56:14.946 --> 00:56:21.122 - No, I think that one of the things I am grateful for in this entire process is I think we do have a 00:56:21.122 --> 00:56:27.359 - growing realization that every moment we spend returning to sites that we can't move forward with is 00:56:27.359 --> 00:56:33.781 - a moment that we are exposed legally, financially, and morally. And so I do think that we're coalescing 00:56:33.781 --> 00:56:39.710 - around that point. So I'm grateful for that. And I think the more information we get out there, 00:56:39.842 --> 00:56:46.867 - And I'm grateful for all of our county employees that are helping us get out that information. We have 00:56:46.867 --> 00:56:54.029 - such talented county employees. And again, very, very grateful for that. You know, I think that's that's 00:56:54.029 --> 00:57:00.850 - a very big step forward. All right. All right. With that, we are adjourned until 1130 work session. 00:57:00.850 --> 00:57:02.078 - Thanks, everyone.