WEBVTT 00:00:01.058 --> 00:00:09.249 - I'm going to call to order this work session of the Monroe County Board of Commissioners for Thursday, 00:00:09.249 --> 00:00:17.441 - February 26th. And thank you for your patience as we got through technical issue. We're going to start 00:00:17.441 --> 00:00:25.950 - with Ms. Ridge. Good morning. I'm sorry. This is last minute. I received the last quote yesterday evening. 00:00:26.146 --> 00:00:34.668 - the tree removal. We've received quotes for the tree removal for our baby Creek Road project 6 29. Um 00:00:34.668 --> 00:00:43.357 - it is time sensitive because we only have the month of March before the bat restriction begins on April 00:00:43.357 --> 00:00:51.712 - 1st. So we asked that the low quote be accepted, which was from Monroe site work LLC and the amount 00:00:51.712 --> 00:00:55.806 - of $39,000 and that is paid from. Our cumulative 00:00:56.162 --> 00:01:06.547 - and you do have it in your emails that I sent probably around 7 30 this morning. Cunebridge number 11 00:01:06.547 --> 00:01:16.932 - 35. Correct. Thank you. Before we even move into questions, I'm going to make a motion to approve the 00:01:16.932 --> 00:01:23.550 - agreement with Monroe site work LLC for work on Baby Creek Road. 00:01:23.714 --> 00:01:32.822 - The amount is $39,000. The fund name is Cume Bridge. The fund number is 1135. Second. All right, we 00:01:32.822 --> 00:01:42.203 - have a motion and a second. This will have to be ratified on March 12th, just FYI. All right, comments 00:01:42.203 --> 00:01:49.854 - or questions? Commissioner Jones? No, I don't. Commissioner Medeira? No. All right. 00:01:50.050 --> 00:01:59.191 - Let's see if there's any public comment on this item. You raise your hand on teams or come to the podium. 00:01:59.191 --> 00:02:08.246 - Seeing none, Mr. Cockerill, will you please call the roll on Monroe site work LLC agreement? Mr. Thomas? 00:02:08.246 --> 00:02:17.214 - Yes. Commissioner Madeira? Yes. Mr. Jones? Yes. Motion is approved three to zero. All right, thank you. 00:02:19.650 --> 00:02:33.717 - Okay. All right. Um let's just go through our next our first item Bobcat of Ellisville and Richard Small 00:02:33.717 --> 00:02:44.702 - Engine Equipment and Implements. This is a purchase. Um. And. These are pieces of 00:02:44.994 --> 00:02:55.454 - 4932 in the amount of $119,858. And that's my motion. I second. We have a motion and we have a second. 00:02:55.454 --> 00:03:02.462 - Ms. Whitmer, thank you for your patience. Oh, no, this is wonderful. 00:03:02.882 --> 00:03:09.209 - took three quotes on the compact track loader and four quotes on each of the implements. And when we 00:03:09.209 --> 00:03:15.537 - chose the equipment, it wasn't exclusively chosen because of the lowest price. But once we chose the 00:03:15.537 --> 00:03:22.115 - compact track loader, it did not make sense to purchase another vendor's implements unless the implement 00:03:22.115 --> 00:03:28.254 - had more capabilities. So that's what we did. We put our package together, and we believe we have 00:03:28.450 --> 00:03:35.110 - chosen wisely and the equipment will last for years to come and we would we'll need to bring it um put 00:03:35.110 --> 00:03:41.705 - it on the county insurance yeah for sure um and this will also have to be ratified on march 12th okay 00:03:41.705 --> 00:03:48.429 - well the county legal was not sure that's why i'm at the work session i think they can approve it today 00:03:48.429 --> 00:03:55.089 - so you can get going but then it still has to come back and be talked about at another meeting because 00:03:55.089 --> 00:03:56.382 - march 12th or after 00:03:56.610 --> 00:04:06.049 - That's fine because I also we will not order until the Monroe County Council appropriates the money 00:04:06.049 --> 00:04:15.677 - in the proper account on March 10th. Okay. All right. Sounds good. Right. Um, so, um, any comments or 00:04:15.677 --> 00:04:21.246 - questions? Uh, commissioner Jones? No, I don't. Thank you. 00:04:21.442 --> 00:04:27.657 - This is for the Nature Preserve, and we're going to have a building of some sort to put this in, 00:04:27.657 --> 00:04:34.129 - and yep. And we do have to add, yeah, you're right, we have to add this to our insurance, especially 00:04:34.129 --> 00:04:40.857 - given what happened earlier on the property. Okay, thank you. All right, let's see if there's any public 00:04:40.857 --> 00:04:45.598 - comment on this item. And raise your hand in teams or come to the podium. 00:04:53.570 --> 00:05:01.487 - the motion. Seeing none, Mr Cocker. Will you please call the roll on the Bobcat of Ellisville and Richard 00:05:01.487 --> 00:05:09.030 - Small Engine Equipment and Women's Purchase. Mr Thomas. Yes Mr Madeira. Yes, Mr Jones. Yes Motion is 00:05:09.030 --> 00:05:16.573 - approved. 3 to 0. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Mr Myers. I'm going to have you hold on a second. 00:05:16.573 --> 00:05:20.606 - We got a couple other quick things to take care of. I 00:05:20.770 --> 00:05:29.220 - regarding ADA and Title VI plans. Good morning. Good morning, and thank you, Dave Schilling from the 00:05:29.220 --> 00:05:37.920 - legal department. Counties are required to adopt ADA transition plans and Title VI implementation plans 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:46.872 - and to maintain those plans. And years ago, the county had adopted such plans, and we've recently prepared 00:05:46.872 --> 00:05:50.302 - some updates to that. Working with staff 00:05:50.434 --> 00:06:01.318 - throughout another. Those, these plans need to be heard and considered at a public hearing. And so we're 00:06:01.318 --> 00:06:12.512 - simply asking the commissioners to public hearing on these plans for March 12th or March 19th, if possible. 00:06:12.512 --> 00:06:20.286 - I think we could do it on the 12th. The 12th is much better than the 19th. 00:06:20.578 --> 00:06:27.773 - Commissioner Jones, what do you think? March 12th? That's fine. Okay. Yeah, that's fine. Okay. We are 00:06:27.773 --> 00:06:34.898 - set for March 12th to hear this. I assume that we can set it apart in our agenda for a specific time 00:06:34.898 --> 00:06:42.093 - or do it first, or is there anything else we'd? Yeah, that would be up to you. It just has to be done 00:06:42.093 --> 00:06:47.454 - within a reasonable amount of the meeting time starting, so you could do it 00:06:47.682 --> 00:06:56.439 - first or take a break and do it. So it's just a regular business item. We don't have to treat it specially. 00:06:56.439 --> 00:07:04.709 - Correct. Okay. And then you're going to manage the advertising side of it. Yes, we will. We will have 00:07:04.709 --> 00:07:12.979 - these plans and the notice of hearing on the county website, hopefully by tomorrow. Great. Thank you. 00:07:12.979 --> 00:07:16.222 - Thank you. All right. YSB. That is you. 00:07:16.610 --> 00:07:23.736 - Okay, I am requesting that you guys approve an amendment to the residential treatment services provider 00:07:23.736 --> 00:07:30.724 - contract that's between the Indiana Department of Child Services and Monroe County. This amendment to 00:07:30.724 --> 00:07:37.576 - this contract updates several key compliance requirements, specifically related to confidentiality, 00:07:37.576 --> 00:07:43.742 - stricter protections of confidential information, compliance with state and federal laws. 00:07:43.842 --> 00:07:52.126 - AI usage approval and state RAMP, which is cybersecurity standards. It also updates their employment 00:07:52.126 --> 00:08:00.492 - eligibility verification requirements, including mandatory e-verify participation. And it requires an 00:08:00.492 --> 00:08:06.398 - increase in cyber liability insurance to at least $1 million aggregate. 00:08:06.530 --> 00:08:13.161 - and revises non-discrimination provisions, strengthens background check compliance language, and updates 00:08:13.161 --> 00:08:19.729 - the designated DCS contact title. All other items of the original contract remain in effect. So there's 00:08:19.729 --> 00:08:26.171 - no additional costs for this? No costs, nothing. This is just kind of changing some of the. OK, so we 00:08:26.171 --> 00:08:32.613 - don't have to ratify this at a future meeting. I'm going to go ahead and make a motion to approve the 00:08:32.613 --> 00:08:35.518 - US Service Bureau contract, which is amended. 00:08:35.618 --> 00:08:44.691 - Um, regarding residential treatment services provision. It's the residential treatment services provider 00:08:44.691 --> 00:08:53.677 - contract. Right. Okay. I second. Thank you. We have motion and a second. Um, any comments or questions? 00:08:53.677 --> 00:09:01.886 - Commissioner Madeira? I do not. Commissioner Jones? No, I don't. All right. Um, all right. Um, 00:09:02.882 --> 00:09:12.762 - public comment on this item. Raise your hand on teams or come to the podium. Seeing none, Mr. Cockrell, 00:09:12.762 --> 00:09:22.452 - will you please call the roll on the amendment for YSB to the Residential Treatment Services Provider 00:09:22.452 --> 00:09:30.622 - Contract? Commissioner Thomas? Yes. Commissioner Geary? Yes. Commissioner Jones? Yes. 00:09:31.554 --> 00:09:42.463 - Thank you. Ms. Purdy, can you help us with the letter? I think, oh, Ms. Kelly is still here too, but 00:09:42.463 --> 00:09:53.265 - there's an extension, grant extension. Can you provide that info, somebody? If Ms. Kelly would like 00:09:53.265 --> 00:10:01.150 - to do that, since it's her daily work, but if not, I'm willing to speak. 00:10:01.538 --> 00:10:09.425 - I'm here. So what happened is our current grant funding for our disease intervention services. So the 00:10:09.425 --> 00:10:17.854 - grant cycle ends on February 28th of 2026. So we are waiting on additional funding for the next grant cycle. 00:10:18.018 --> 00:10:25.133 - But during this grant cycle, due to the hiring freeze, we were unable to use the additional funding 00:10:25.133 --> 00:10:32.248 - that they had originally provided for an additional disease intervention specialist, which resulted 00:10:32.248 --> 00:10:39.364 - in an amendment for a reduction in funding. Since that was still in process, then a new contract to 00:10:39.364 --> 00:10:46.621 - my understanding, according to the call I got, was that they couldn't reissue that. So what they have 00:10:46.621 --> 00:10:47.902 - done is they have 00:10:48.130 --> 00:10:55.844 - provided an extension for the amendment that reduces the grant funding under the same award. Once that's 00:10:55.844 --> 00:11:03.779 - processed through our channels and then the Indiana Department of Health, then they will provide additional 00:11:03.779 --> 00:11:11.493 - funding through another amendment under this same contract. So that's kind of my understanding and based 00:11:11.493 --> 00:11:17.150 - on the call that I received yesterday. So they have sent to my understanding 00:11:17.314 --> 00:11:24.746 - this through DocuSign to the commissioner's email address then for signature. And I would bring this 00:11:24.746 --> 00:11:32.252 - to the next commissioner meetings for ratification. I don't think you have to actually, I don't think 00:11:32.252 --> 00:11:37.182 - we need to ratify this. Yeah, so good news there. Yeah, Ms. Purdy. 00:11:37.538 --> 00:11:47.308 - I have pulled the grant up, and this grant now terminates on February 28th of 2027. The grant funding 00:11:47.308 --> 00:11:57.652 - was decreased by $58,835. So the total amount of funding for this grant is now $289,909. And unfortunately, 00:11:57.652 --> 00:12:07.230 - this is all because we didn't get a position paid for by state tax dollars through a hiring freeze. 00:12:08.066 --> 00:12:21.153 - I don't I don't understand. Crazy doesn't make sense. But okay so. And I call it can I just say that 00:12:21.153 --> 00:12:34.110 - this is what I'm moving to approve an extension and amendment of the disease intervention services. 00:12:35.778 --> 00:12:43.629 - from the Indiana Department of Health. Does that work? Second. All right. We have a motion and a second. 00:12:43.629 --> 00:12:51.181 - Commissioner Jones, comments or questions? No, I don't. Commissioner Madeira? I do not. Thank you. I 00:12:51.181 --> 00:12:58.807 - don't either. I've already made my comment. All right. So let's see if there's any public comments on 00:12:58.807 --> 00:13:03.518 - this item. You raise your hand in teams or come to the podium. 00:13:10.818 --> 00:13:40.382 - Thank you. And let's go backwards to 00:13:41.986 --> 00:13:55.187 - Great, thank you. This is ordinance 26-07. Thank you. Let me share my screen here in one second. 00:13:55.187 --> 00:14:08.116 - All right, so this is located at 3521 South Roger Street. It is in Perry Township, section 17. 00:14:08.116 --> 00:14:10.430 - It's 1.01 acres. 00:14:10.818 --> 00:14:18.305 - The zoning map currently shows it as PUD Summersburg and it was discovered by staff that this is actually 00:14:18.305 --> 00:14:26.004 - an error in the zoning map and it should be zoned a different district. So this was brought to the attention 00:14:26.004 --> 00:14:33.138 - to the plan commission and through the plan commission process as acting as the petitioner, the plan 00:14:33.138 --> 00:14:40.766 - commission decided to rezone or request a rezone to residential one instead of the PUD, which was an error. 00:14:42.370 --> 00:14:49.927 - A little bit of background here. As I stated, staff discovered this error. We were talking with the 00:14:49.927 --> 00:14:57.559 - property owner of the property and their eventual goals for further development of the property when 00:14:57.559 --> 00:15:05.116 - it was discovered that the zoning district appeared to be off given other information and evidence. 00:15:05.116 --> 00:15:08.894 - Some of that evidence is included in this packet. 00:15:09.634 --> 00:15:17.788 - Essentially, the PUD Summersbee ordinance itself has a legal description that doesn't match, including 00:15:17.788 --> 00:15:25.783 - this parcel of record, as well as the Summersbee PUD subdivision also does not include this piece of 00:15:25.783 --> 00:15:33.857 - property. And then there's also a map that was generated by the city of Bloomington in 2004 that also 00:15:33.857 --> 00:15:38.686 - verifies that this parcel is not part of the Summersbee PUD. 00:15:40.386 --> 00:15:48.294 - All right, so there's a location map. Highway and stormwater don't have any comments regarding the rezone. 00:15:48.294 --> 00:15:55.907 - Stormwater said any future development may require a local and or state stormwater permit. Here is the 00:15:55.907 --> 00:16:03.446 - current zoning map that we're showing. High development residential surrounding the property. And you 00:16:03.446 --> 00:16:09.950 - can see the gray is the PUD. And this is the parcel record or subject parcel is in red. 00:16:10.562 --> 00:16:17.218 - outlined in red, and you can see that it's showing as gray here on this map as well. All right, so the 00:16:17.218 --> 00:16:24.196 - petition type exhibits a close proximity to water and sewer services with the City of Blooms and Utilities. 00:16:24.196 --> 00:16:30.787 - There's a sewer line cutting through the property, actually, and there's an existing residence on the 00:16:30.787 --> 00:16:36.926 - property that's operating as a two-family dwelling that does have that sewer service included. 00:16:37.794 --> 00:16:44.532 - The petition or the property owner, when they first came in, was interested in providing additional 00:16:44.532 --> 00:16:51.337 - dwelling options for the property, potentially additional bare patio homes, maybe even a subdivision 00:16:51.337 --> 00:16:58.277 - if the zoning district was right. And then of course staff began that conversation with, it looks like 00:16:58.277 --> 00:17:05.150 - this PUD is, this PUD district is off and it should not be including this property in question. So we 00:17:05.150 --> 00:17:07.710 - went through that discussion as well. 00:17:10.018 --> 00:17:17.130 - So the rest of this page includes more details regarding the site and the site conditions and 00:17:17.130 --> 00:17:24.999 - the infrastructure here. It is adjacent to the Bloomington Rail Trail. You can see on this screen here, 00:17:24.999 --> 00:17:32.717 - the Bloomington Rail Trail is in blue here, which also leads me to the discussion of House Bill 1058, 00:17:32.717 --> 00:17:38.846 - which if it is approved by the state legislature, it would go in effect in July. 00:17:39.010 --> 00:17:49.909 - July 1st, I believe. The premise behind this bill is that it would provide a property owner the ability 00:17:49.909 --> 00:18:00.494 - to annex to a jurisdiction through the contiguity language with respect to a difference of that area 00:18:00.494 --> 00:18:02.590 - being the railroad. 00:18:03.074 --> 00:18:09.845 - Um, so because, um, the rail trail was formerly a railroad, it's staff's understanding that if this 00:18:09.845 --> 00:18:16.209 - bill was approved, um, that the petitioner could theoretically request, um, annexation to the 00:18:16.209 --> 00:18:23.115 - city voluntarily. Um, but any other, um, additional questions related to the house bill 1058, I would 00:18:23.115 --> 00:18:29.886 - defer to County legal, um, for those questions. But it is pertinent information in this discussion. 00:18:30.178 --> 00:18:36.687 - So here's the site conditions map. You can see the green lines here. That's the sewer line that cuts 00:18:36.687 --> 00:18:43.197 - through the property. We do have the comprehensive plan information here as well. It's designated as 00:18:43.197 --> 00:18:49.642 - mixed residential. I'll have a slide show prepared for this presentation when it goes to the formal 00:18:49.642 --> 00:18:56.151 - session. I just scrolled through the findings in fact. And we did receive an initial letter from the 00:18:56.151 --> 00:18:57.182 - property owner. 00:18:57.282 --> 00:19:03.677 - At the very beginning of this petition, the process of this petition, staff had originally suggested 00:19:03.677 --> 00:19:10.008 - to the planning commission that it be rezoned to high development residential. Through the planning 00:19:10.008 --> 00:19:16.340 - commission process, the planning commission acting as the petitioner to correct this error, decided 00:19:16.340 --> 00:19:22.925 - to change that request from high development residential to residential one. So here now on the screen, 00:19:22.925 --> 00:19:27.230 - there's some site photos. You can see that existing residence here. 00:19:27.458 --> 00:19:34.845 - property. It's just a long east-west property here. Some more photographs of the site from South Rogers 00:19:34.845 --> 00:19:42.160 - Street. These are from 2023. They're Google Street View. And then these are from this year when we had 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:49.263 - all the snow. You can see South Rogers Street there again. And then looking back onto the property, 00:19:49.263 --> 00:19:54.590 - this is from across the street, looking onto the subject property as well. 00:19:56.802 --> 00:20:04.200 - And then the rest of the exhibits are the evidence pieces that indicate this property should not be 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:11.747 - part of the Summers BPUD, as I mentioned earlier. There's that subdivision plat. The petition site is 00:20:11.747 --> 00:20:19.737 - just south of this subdivision plat. It's not shown. And then this is that map from the city of Bloomington 00:20:19.737 --> 00:20:26.174 - that I referenced as well. The petition site is located here, which was a zone of RM15 00:20:26.402 --> 00:20:33.904 - prior. And then I've also included the page from the County Development Ordinance for the Residential 00:20:33.904 --> 00:20:41.406 - One District showing all its permitted uses and such, and its development standards as well. And that 00:20:41.406 --> 00:20:49.350 - concludes this packet. And I'll have, like I said, a presentation ready for you all for the formal session. 00:20:49.350 --> 00:20:56.190 - The Planning Commission did vote to forward this with a positive recommendation unanimously. 00:20:56.514 --> 00:21:06.102 - So I will take any questions at this time. All right, thank you so much. Comments or questions, Commissioner 00:21:06.102 --> 00:21:15.426 - Maduro? None. Yes, it does definitely make sense why that is residential one instead of high development. 00:21:15.426 --> 00:21:24.399 - I'm sorry, high density, yes. Yeah, and there's no sewer, and it's a very long piece of property, and 00:21:24.399 --> 00:21:26.334 - I don't know how that 00:21:26.466 --> 00:21:37.444 - becomes something else. But it certainly is Res1. And so it's being used. And it certainly doesn't belong 00:21:37.444 --> 00:21:48.112 - in this PUD. That's a longstanding typographical issue. Commissioner Jones, comments or questions? You 00:21:48.112 --> 00:21:50.494 - are muted. So I don't. 00:21:54.882 --> 00:22:05.947 - I'm sorry. No, not at this time. So this is really a plan commission petition. So we really don't have 00:22:05.947 --> 00:22:16.689 - a petitioner, so we don't really need to check with people. But I wonder if we could do this on the 00:22:16.689 --> 00:22:24.638 - 26th of March. Would that work? I just hate to load up our 12th of March. 00:22:24.802 --> 00:22:44.258 - the board of commissioners. Thank you. Thank you for waiting. Think you know, technical difficulties 00:22:44.258 --> 00:22:52.926 - along agenda. Mr Cockrell. We have a letter. 00:22:55.202 --> 00:23:01.443 - And this came about because when I was talking to Commissioner Thomas, she had been hearing from the 00:23:01.443 --> 00:23:07.623 - public about concerns dealing with the elections and voting, dealing with outside people coming and 00:23:07.623 --> 00:23:13.926 - intimidating or otherwise disrupting the meetings on a side or the voting. On a side note, I was also 00:23:13.926 --> 00:23:20.168 - at the county council meeting on February 10th where there were public comments about concerns about 00:23:20.168 --> 00:23:24.926 - disruptions of voting. And so this letter is a letter to the election board. 00:23:25.506 --> 00:23:33.246 - asking them to work with our emergency management to discuss and plan for any types of disruption or 00:23:33.246 --> 00:23:41.062 - intimidation at polling places and at the early voting site. And so that is what this letter does and 00:23:41.062 --> 00:23:48.955 - is intended to do, is just put them in contact with each other so they can develop a plan to react and 00:23:48.955 --> 00:23:53.630 - deal with those kind of emergencies if they were to come up. 00:23:57.794 --> 00:24:09.844 - I'm sorry. Um. We do have to take a vote on approving this letter to be sent. This is just. 00:24:09.844 --> 00:24:23.597 - Request Um. There's no. Funding attached to it, but obviously, um, election division has its own funding 00:24:23.597 --> 00:24:27.134 - mechanism if they need to. 00:24:27.458 --> 00:24:36.492 - They can't. We need to figure it out quick. Comments or questions, Commissioner Jones? No, I'm just 00:24:36.492 --> 00:24:45.977 - glad that this issue is being considered. Commissioner Madero? No, I think it's excellent timing. Great. 00:24:45.977 --> 00:24:52.030 - We don't need to take public comment on a piece of correspondence. 00:24:52.450 --> 00:24:58.887 - I will assume if we can get this on DocuSign or something that we can get this out promptly. 00:24:58.887 --> 00:25:05.808 - I will get it. If you approve it, I will get it to Anita and she can. Great. Thank you. Mr. Copper, 00:25:05.808 --> 00:25:12.730 - will you please call the roll on approving ratifying the letter to the election board? Commissioner 00:25:12.730 --> 00:25:19.582 - Thomas. Yes. Commissioner Madeira. Yes. Commissioner Jones. Yes. Motion is approved three to zero. 00:25:23.458 --> 00:25:33.864 - Thank you. Last item deals with Council's resolution of last Tuesday. And I guess what I'm talking is 00:25:33.864 --> 00:25:44.372 - a little expanded from that. Meeting earlier, the Council had indicated that they wanted updates. They 00:25:44.372 --> 00:25:52.126 - said weekly, turn it into every other week because, and I'll get into this. 00:25:52.418 --> 00:25:58.676 - But I've also been doing some things that are with one commissioner, with council president, you know, 00:25:58.676 --> 00:26:04.812 - and I want to make sure you guys get the update and then we'll go ahead and forward it to the county 00:26:04.812 --> 00:26:11.010 - council. And of course, they have questions that feel free to give me a call and ask what's going on. 00:26:11.010 --> 00:26:17.085 - I have intentionally not included names of location. And these were all discussed at the, you know, 00:26:17.085 --> 00:26:20.670 - the February 16th or the February or the earlier February. 00:26:21.858 --> 00:26:28.293 - Executive sessions where we're talking about property for This is kind of the update of where we're 00:26:28.293 --> 00:26:34.922 - at with with that process. Thank you. So on February 16th, we had that executive session where we went 00:26:34.922 --> 00:26:41.807 - through some properties some made the cut some didn't but Following that meeting I was to set up a meeting 00:26:41.807 --> 00:26:48.307 - with the city of Bloomington planning Talk to some of the representative of the property owners from 00:26:48.307 --> 00:26:50.302 - from the locations we reviewed 00:26:51.266 --> 00:26:57.524 - Um, that setting up that meeting with the city of Bloomington took a little longer than a week. So that's 00:26:57.524 --> 00:27:03.723 - why we didn't have a weekly update last week. So, but on 20th, on February 24th, uh, counselor Crossley, 00:27:03.723 --> 00:27:09.509 - commissioner Thomas and I met with, uh, city of Bloomington planning, um, and, and other affected 00:27:09.509 --> 00:27:15.531 - departments. I know the city legal was there as well to discuss some of the various sites. Uh, we got 00:27:15.531 --> 00:27:20.254 - some really nice feedback, I think, from some of the, some of the plan from the 00:27:20.514 --> 00:27:27.253 - from the city of folks. And so we're kind of looking at how are we going to develop looking at some 00:27:27.253 --> 00:27:33.992 - of their suggestions and moving forward with that. But that meeting did occur. Then on yesterday, I 00:27:33.992 --> 00:27:41.135 - guess February the rest of these happened yesterday on the 25th. Again, Councillor Crossley, Commissioner 00:27:41.135 --> 00:27:45.246 - Madeira and I met with a representative from IU real estate. 00:27:45.442 --> 00:27:52.284 - to discuss and brainstorm potential sites in the community. We chose IU Real Estate because they're 00:27:52.284 --> 00:27:59.126 - one of the big landowners that has zoning already applicable where this would be a conditional use. 00:27:59.126 --> 00:28:06.174 - So part of it was to just see what they have, what's out there, and what they'd be willing to look at. 00:28:06.174 --> 00:28:08.158 - Clearly they didn't have any 00:28:08.514 --> 00:28:14.812 - parcel in mind, but they did say if we saw something that we thought would work really well that they 00:28:14.812 --> 00:28:21.234 - owned, to get in touch with them and contact them about that. We also talked about a couple other sites 00:28:21.234 --> 00:28:27.533 - that we hadn't mentioned previously as part of the executive session that he brought up, which may or 00:28:27.533 --> 00:28:33.707 - may not be good, and I don't want to bring them up until we had the whole group weigh in on whether 00:28:33.707 --> 00:28:38.462 - those are good ideas or not. But I thought it was a very productive meeting. 00:28:38.946 --> 00:28:47.646 - person we met with has a vast wealth of experience with real estate and looked at kind of some of the 00:28:47.646 --> 00:28:56.516 - issues that we're talking about in a different way. So I think he had some feedback. I also talked with 00:28:56.516 --> 00:29:05.813 - a couple other property owners to see if those properties that we had been discussing were indeed available. 00:29:05.813 --> 00:29:08.286 - The two other ones said yes. 00:29:08.770 --> 00:29:16.904 - meeting with the city planning. I had contact with Scott Carnegie to kind of talk about some of the 00:29:16.904 --> 00:29:25.201 - questions that came out, particularly about the Thompson site, of that meeting with the city planning 00:29:25.201 --> 00:29:33.579 - access. I'm seeing if he could figure out how it would be accessed with what has happened with the PUD 00:29:33.579 --> 00:29:38.622 - to the west, with that. So we're working on that, and I guess 00:29:39.170 --> 00:29:46.257 - I got a hold of the resolution that the county council passed the night before. I read that and looking 00:29:46.257 --> 00:29:53.277 - at the financial report, it appears from that document that the max, not to say that it is the budget, 00:29:53.277 --> 00:30:00.228 - but the max budget would appear to be about $170 million if you look at that report. So I immediately 00:30:00.228 --> 00:30:07.111 - got a hold of the WGSR estimators and say, hey, if we do it for $170 or less, and they just to jail, 00:30:07.111 --> 00:30:08.542 - not talking the full 00:30:08.706 --> 00:30:16.302 - and they indicated that that would be possible and probable. I asked them if we could do it for under 00:30:16.302 --> 00:30:23.823 - something or less, and they said yes. And that would include a reasonable purchase price of property 00:30:23.823 --> 00:30:31.270 - if we had to do that. And so from that aspect, it looks like we can't afford it. I mean, that's not 00:30:31.270 --> 00:30:38.270 - to say that there's not a lot of discussions on appropriate savings or appropriate bond size. 00:30:38.498 --> 00:30:49.340 - a plethora of other conversations, but the bottom line is that there is funding available to build the 00:30:49.340 --> 00:30:59.867 - jail facility. And not having to wait until 2029 now, because there's a way to do it where we would 00:30:59.867 --> 00:31:02.814 - meet and not exceed the 25% 00:31:04.034 --> 00:31:11.473 - of lit being spent on a bond that the state legislature imposed. And that's, I have not confirmed yet 00:31:11.473 --> 00:31:18.766 - with bond council. Okay. Because there were two things that we were looking at. And one of them was 00:31:18.766 --> 00:31:26.059 - with that future revenue stream, the future lit, whether we could pledge that and not have to renew 00:31:26.059 --> 00:31:31.966 - that pledge. And I'm sure I saw that in the legislation. The other question was, 00:31:32.258 --> 00:31:39.737 - that would enable us to enact that type of lit now, even though we know we're not going to collect it, 00:31:39.737 --> 00:31:47.143 - with the assumption that we would at least have the debt service covered with that. I need to talk to 00:31:47.143 --> 00:31:54.840 - bond council and everybody that said that made it in. I'm assuming it did. I just haven't seen it, right? 00:31:54.840 --> 00:32:00.286 - So bond council's next on that list. Yeah, and I would also point out that 00:32:02.306 --> 00:32:10.384 - these documents that were presented were based upon what we have today, right? And I am not a fortune 00:32:10.384 --> 00:32:18.779 - teller, but I would be surprised if we had worked far enough along by the end of this year to have issued 00:32:18.779 --> 00:32:26.302 - bonds and begun construction, right? So, you know, when I looked at their report where it says 00:32:29.890 --> 00:32:38.766 - Estimated lit available for debt service as of today as for this year. That's 11 almost 12 million dollars. 00:32:38.766 --> 00:32:47.149 - Well, if we don't spend that that would be transferred to one of the balance as of what would be 1031 00:32:47.149 --> 00:32:56.190 - 2026. So there's right. There's some other things in play but I think the What's represented here absent some 00:32:57.346 --> 00:33:22.984 - that we could afford building in jail. Okay and just just so folks following along at home understand 00:33:22.984 --> 00:33:27.006 - there. There is 00:33:29.602 --> 00:33:53.877 - And then on the subsequent page we have. A listing. If you look at the left side column. That indicates 00:33:53.877 --> 00:33:58.078 - that between that 00:33:58.754 --> 00:34:12.386 - that there is currently sitting in those lit funds. Unappropriated at this moment. That. That there 00:34:12.386 --> 00:34:27.518 - is. Ostensibly 170 million. To actually move forward now. No. Maybe I will just state the numbers and all that 00:34:28.002 --> 00:34:36.669 - The $35 million in cash, roughly, that's not going to be removed from the fund in one fell swoop. It 00:34:36.669 --> 00:34:45.337 - will be invoiced. We spoke about this yesterday in that those invoices will be coming in and will be 00:34:45.337 --> 00:34:54.090 - paying as we're also receiving funds from the state. So I just want to clarify that there's not going 00:34:54.090 --> 00:34:55.806 - to be a $35 million 00:34:57.122 --> 00:35:03.991 - And I think what we're getting at is sometimes with our highway grants, right? Because we do highway 00:35:03.991 --> 00:35:10.860 - grants and NDOT funds the highway process and then bills us for the full amount of our share of that 00:35:10.860 --> 00:35:18.001 - project. And that all comes out upfront, right? And then they go and perform the project. And if there's 00:35:18.001 --> 00:35:24.734 - anything left over, they figure out how much gets refunded and all that. That is not this project. 00:35:24.930 --> 00:35:36.206 - But I guess the 170 number is derived from the estimated bond size calculation in the first column of 00:35:36.206 --> 00:35:48.035 - the last page of the Exhibit A to their resolution, which has $135 million. And that is based upon current 00:35:48.035 --> 00:35:54.558 - lit 25% of that, which is the statutory maximum we can do. 00:35:56.386 --> 00:36:04.689 - just under $11 million payment, and right now we have just under $12 million in funds that we are receiving 00:36:04.689 --> 00:36:12.838 - through income tax that we have not appropriated in any way for this year. So that is not an unreasonable 00:36:12.838 --> 00:36:20.756 - number. It might not be the right number, but it's not unreasonable. And then our economic development 00:36:20.756 --> 00:36:24.446 - income tax, 1112, which prior to last December, 00:36:26.050 --> 00:36:33.241 - The plan for that was always to spend 100% of it on this project, given the budget difficulties and 00:36:33.241 --> 00:36:40.792 - things like that. That changed a little bit, but mostly that changed a little bit for general operations 00:36:40.792 --> 00:36:48.055 - for 2026 with nothing for general. After that, I think there'll be a conversation about that, so I'm 00:36:48.055 --> 00:36:49.278 - not going to say 00:36:49.698 --> 00:36:59.022 - But that funding was $23,475.66. When I say funding, that was the cash balance of that fund at the beginning 00:36:59.022 --> 00:37:07.576 - of this year. And then the band capital, that is the bond anticipation note that we had issued when 00:37:07.576 --> 00:37:14.590 - we were looking at Fullerton before that whole thing happened, and that still has 00:37:14.818 --> 00:37:23.833 - 5,721,462. And all of that money has to be spent on this project, right? It has to be either for the 00:37:23.833 --> 00:37:32.849 - land or for the design, because that's what that bond or ban was issued for. So that has to be spent 00:37:32.849 --> 00:37:41.775 - on this project. And then the jail lit, which is 1233, is $7,108,463. And that was the cash balance 00:37:41.775 --> 00:37:44.542 - at the beginning of this year. 00:37:45.250 --> 00:37:52.230 - And I guess we chose those three funds because traditionally that's what we thought the mechanism was. 00:37:52.230 --> 00:37:59.007 - When we talk about the $225 million project, that's based on the revenue from these funds. The edit 00:37:59.007 --> 00:38:05.852 - was passed by the city council I think in 21, 22, and we at that point in time knew this was our big 00:38:05.852 --> 00:38:09.918 - project, and so that's why we had designated that for that. 00:38:10.114 --> 00:38:19.010 - In 2024, the council looked at the jail at the, at the correction. I call it correctional lit. This 00:38:19.010 --> 00:38:27.994 - says jail lit. It's, it could be up to point two. The conversation around that whole increasing that 00:38:27.994 --> 00:38:38.046 - from 0.01 to 0.17 was for this project. And so when you look at the funding of those two, of those two for 2026, 00:38:38.626 --> 00:38:46.709 - The estimate is about $20 million a year. And so our previous calculations had the $225 million at $18 00:38:46.709 --> 00:38:54.713 - million a year for a bond. And that didn't include any of the cash balances, right? So I'm not saying 00:38:54.713 --> 00:39:02.717 - that is exactly what it would have been issued. But that's where that $225 million came from, just so 00:39:02.717 --> 00:39:08.446 - you guys are aware and remember. So I guess when reading the resolution, 00:39:08.770 --> 00:39:16.572 - I mean, I think we can get beyond the can we afford it conversation to I think the question is where 00:39:16.572 --> 00:39:24.683 - is it going to go and then the question after that is not can we afford it is what do we want to afford, 00:39:24.683 --> 00:39:32.794 - what are the tradeoffs with size and location and all that versus what we want to keep for cash balances 00:39:32.794 --> 00:39:36.734 - and things like that. I mean, we're not out of the 00:39:37.090 --> 00:39:45.122 - woods, but I think we can get beyond the, there's absolutely no way we can afford it conversation just 00:39:45.122 --> 00:39:53.154 - with what we're collecting now. Or the jail only co-locations, different conversation. Um, and I would 00:39:53.154 --> 00:40:01.108 - say single story jail is what I hope WGS heard because I've heard from them before that it's, that it 00:40:01.108 --> 00:40:06.878 - would be more expensive construction wise to build a two floor. Oh, okay. 00:40:07.202 --> 00:40:14.438 - So I read this and I thought it was a good step forward in that I think it states the funding, it states 00:40:14.438 --> 00:40:21.398 - the funding. The maximum funding level, right? I think there's still some work the council has to do 00:40:21.398 --> 00:40:28.427 - to kind of get a more realistic funding number. I don't think running your cash balances and all your 00:40:28.427 --> 00:40:35.870 - funds to zero is an ever good idea and all those kind of things. But it's a start. I mean, if I'm the ACLU, 00:40:36.642 --> 00:40:44.336 - or I feel you and I'm looking for something, now I know what is the maximum budget allowed, right? Right. 00:40:44.336 --> 00:40:51.812 - And it can pay for a jail to be built. I'll start with you, Commissioner Madure. Did you want to? Yes. 00:40:51.812 --> 00:40:59.070 - Jeff, my voice is really bad and it's cracking. I was wondering if you would read something for me. 00:41:14.402 --> 00:41:21.078 - These are not my words, these are the words of Commissioner Madeira. Before this year, it seemed that 00:41:21.078 --> 00:41:27.950 - we are engaged in a process to carefully study the jail issue, evaluate property, et cetera. Now there's 00:41:27.950 --> 00:41:34.757 - this new urgency to meet attorney Falk's deadline, but also we have to be careful not to fall into this 00:41:34.757 --> 00:41:41.890 - unstated get it done, get it done at the least possible cost. While we need to be very fiscally responsible, 00:41:41.890 --> 00:41:43.134 - of course, we must 00:41:43.330 --> 00:41:51.066 - also invest wisely in a facility that must remain safe, functional, and legally compliant for the next 00:41:51.066 --> 00:41:59.253 - 40 to 50 years. Often guarantees higher long-term costs through repeated retrofits, staffing inefficiencies, 00:41:59.253 --> 00:42:07.065 - deferred maintenance, and greater litigation exposure. This facility should be durable and future-ready 00:42:07.065 --> 00:42:07.966 - so housing, 00:42:08.258 --> 00:42:15.988 - programming and technology can adapt as laws, population, and best practices change. The question isn't 00:42:15.988 --> 00:42:23.495 - whether we can afford a modern jail. It's whether we can afford the predictable cost of building and 00:42:23.495 --> 00:42:31.077 - maintaining an outdated one. I think there's a little bit more below. Page two. I'm just kidding. Oh, 00:42:31.077 --> 00:42:34.942 - there is more. Not much. There's a little bit more. 00:42:35.586 --> 00:42:42.144 - I'm also hearing several references to committing to constitutional care inside the jail and then references 00:42:42.144 --> 00:42:48.281 - to offering premium services outside the jail. But these remarks unintentionally imply that there are 00:42:48.281 --> 00:42:54.539 - two standards for treatment. This can't be the case. Both need to be excellent and evidence-based. Both 00:42:54.539 --> 00:43:00.736 - address two different populations of individuals. One addresses the populations who cannot be kept out 00:43:00.736 --> 00:43:02.782 - of jail despite our best efforts. 00:43:05.058 --> 00:43:11.239 - addresses those who we've managed to keep out of jail through our best efforts. Thus, we need to do 00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:17.543 - more than aspire to build a constitutional jail. What we're doing isn't just building a facility with 00:43:17.543 --> 00:43:23.723 - more beds. We're building a facility that will also reduce repeated offenses and improve safety for 00:43:23.723 --> 00:43:30.089 - the people who live and work in it. That's going to take an additional investment of funds, investment 00:43:30.089 --> 00:43:34.910 - in educational program, mental health services, recovery services, and so on. 00:43:36.066 --> 00:43:43.280 - Our jail lacks space for treatment, education, medical and mental health care, reentry planning, and 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:50.423 - safe separation of populations. Having a modern jail based on evidence-based programming, substance 00:43:50.423 --> 00:43:57.637 - use treatment, counseling, job and GED training, cognitive behavioral interventions, we need to make 00:43:57.637 --> 00:44:01.566 - an upfront investment that stabilizes people in crisis 00:44:01.698 --> 00:44:09.872 - and lowers recidivism and reduces costly emergency transports and the risk of lawsuits. Because underserved 00:44:09.872 --> 00:44:17.516 - the individuals who live in the jail, they are more likely to return there in the future. That's it. 00:44:17.516 --> 00:44:25.160 - Wait, there's another file. No, I'm just kidding. It's good to be verbose even when your voice won't 00:44:25.160 --> 00:44:27.582 - let you do it. Thank you, Jeff. 00:44:27.842 --> 00:44:37.205 - that. My third grade teacher would be proud. Commissioner Jones, do you have anything you'd like to 00:44:37.205 --> 00:44:46.569 - say? Well, I would just like to say that I agree with everything that Commissioner Madera said, and 00:44:46.569 --> 00:44:50.782 - I hope that it will be taken very seriously. 00:44:53.442 --> 00:45:04.621 - Yeah, it's interesting because I started getting calls and text yesterday from folks who said, wait, 00:45:04.621 --> 00:45:15.690 - there's not enough money for a jail? Is that what the council's saying? And that's not what appears 00:45:15.690 --> 00:45:22.110 - on the Garitas financial report, which they asked for and 00:45:23.458 --> 00:45:32.704 - that they commissioned and included with their resolutions. So it's very interesting to see that number. 00:45:32.704 --> 00:45:41.510 - I appreciate Mr. Cockrell being willing to talk through those numbers so that folks understand what 00:45:41.510 --> 00:45:50.316 - we're looking at. And I will note there's still a little give in terms of the edit rate overall for 00:45:50.316 --> 00:45:52.606 - the County Council still. 00:45:53.026 --> 00:45:59.968 - in terms of what was approved by the city. There's still, isn't there still a little give on that? I 00:45:59.968 --> 00:46:07.185 - don't know if there's, I mean, I think there is room in edit, but I think that requires the city council 00:46:07.185 --> 00:46:14.333 - approvals and things like that. I think there is definitely, I mean, we're at 0.17 for the correctional 00:46:14.333 --> 00:46:20.382 - lit and that could go up to 0.2, which. Okay. That's, I guess that's what I'm thinking. 00:46:20.482 --> 00:46:29.353 - million million dollars a year which would give you another 12 to 15 million dollars yeah i think that's 00:46:29.353 --> 00:46:38.393 - what i'm thinking and i think yeah it's it's good to have these conversations um i yeah um as commissioner 00:46:38.393 --> 00:46:45.406 - madeira did the aspirational idea of finding some sort of treatment program system 00:46:45.602 --> 00:46:53.050 - outside of the criminal justice system, or even perhaps one that can meld with it. But it's certainly, 00:46:53.050 --> 00:47:00.280 - our first priority has to be building a new jail at this moment. And I think even saying, wow, we'd 00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:07.656 - like to put some money aside for that, great, but don't do it at the cost of building what we have to 00:47:07.656 --> 00:47:14.814 - build constitutionally. It's great to have those aspirational ideas, but nothing's been done on it 00:47:15.490 --> 00:47:27.979 - I've been here for a long time. Um so I don't know. The value of setting aside. Money for treatment. 00:47:27.979 --> 00:47:41.086 - Um at this moment when we have a very specific. Constitutionally required building that we have to build. 00:47:41.314 --> 00:47:52.971 - They're just kind of putting things off till 28, or now we know 29, when the lit and property tax change 00:47:52.971 --> 00:48:04.294 - happens fully. And that's necessarily required at this moment. We can actually move forward, which is 00:48:04.294 --> 00:48:10.622 - really good news. I do want to say a couple things about 00:48:10.786 --> 00:48:20.978 - as I watched that council discussion. And one of the things I want to say is somewhere, oh, no, I know 00:48:20.978 --> 00:48:31.369 - where it came from. This number of 257 million got thrown about on social media. God bless social media, 00:48:31.369 --> 00:48:39.582 - because it needs it. And it is not true. That number has been 225. Now, of course, 00:48:39.778 --> 00:48:46.363 - number. I don't know where that number came from. Here we are another year into it. I don't know that 00:48:46.363 --> 00:48:52.818 - we're gonna be able to keep that number. But the number was never 257. I don't know where that came 00:48:52.818 --> 00:48:59.274 - from, and I hate the fact that we have people repeating it. Who should not be repeating that number 00:48:59.274 --> 00:49:05.923 - to 25. We had a higher number come in on an estimate once deals he completed the first round of plans. 00:49:05.923 --> 00:49:09.022 - We got that number back down to 225. So I don't 00:49:09.314 --> 00:49:21.280 - There is also some veiled criticism, not so veiled criticism about the process and, oh my gosh, people 00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:33.943 - have been left out. We have not left anyone out of this process. This process has been thoroughly inclusive, 00:49:33.943 --> 00:49:38.590 - not just elected officials, the public. 00:49:38.722 --> 00:49:46.765 - both are necessary. Both are necessary. And both have been there from the beginning. And you may not 00:49:46.765 --> 00:49:54.728 - have seen it. You may have heard somebody gripe that they wanted just one more meeting. That always 00:49:54.728 --> 00:50:00.222 - happens, unfortunately, but we did. And every location we looked at, 00:50:00.642 --> 00:50:07.950 - We had public meetings with area residents so we could hear their concerns. We could talk to them about 00:50:07.950 --> 00:50:15.188 - what they liked or they didn't like. We could address some of the myths. This was in a big prison with 00:50:15.188 --> 00:50:22.286 - big barbed wire walls and all that. We didn't leave anybody out and we haven't left anybody out. Now 00:50:22.286 --> 00:50:27.486 - there may be some new players in the game who feel like they want to have 00:50:27.586 --> 00:50:34.662 - You know, they want to go back to the beginning and make us go through this whole process again. We've 00:50:34.662 --> 00:50:41.669 - gone through a multi-year process. We've dragged this community through a multi-year process. And the 00:50:41.669 --> 00:50:48.814 - thing I hear the most from people is like, get it done. And amen. We need to get this done. And if it's 00:50:48.814 --> 00:50:55.821 - true, even though it seemed like from the comments that the council thought this all spelled doom for 00:50:55.821 --> 00:50:57.470 - getting the jail built, 00:50:57.602 --> 00:51:08.820 - I think it shows otherwise, and if that's the case, let's get moving. We do have some research to do. 00:51:08.820 --> 00:51:19.817 - There are a couple of questions. I know that we've got outstanding with various groups and agencies 00:51:19.817 --> 00:51:26.526 - and whatnot, but we're learning a lot every day, and I think 00:51:27.330 --> 00:51:37.364 - We hope to have something to bring as an ordinance for March 12th, because at that point in time, we 00:51:37.364 --> 00:51:47.597 - will have had that research completed and we'll be ready to be much more decisive. But the money piece 00:51:47.597 --> 00:51:56.638 - being the thing that continued to be raised as a question, if that indeed is truly solved, 00:51:58.850 --> 00:52:10.423 - I'm not sure what else we need to do at this moment, but it is good news. And I think that the thing 00:52:10.423 --> 00:52:22.111 - that we've heard, I will say two things about this project. Yes, it has to be a single floor. I'm not 00:52:22.111 --> 00:52:23.486 - willing to, 00:52:23.778 --> 00:52:31.409 - Personally, I don't think, you know, making it work on a floodplain is not a good plan for a jail. I 00:52:31.409 --> 00:52:39.190 - don't think, you know, we should become contortionists to fit something on a piece of property because 00:52:39.190 --> 00:52:47.047 - it has some magical address or something else. I think what happens when you do that is you end up with 00:52:47.047 --> 00:52:52.638 - what we have in the Charlotte Zittlow building, which has cost us a mint. 00:52:52.898 --> 00:53:02.349 - to keep afloat. And speaking of that building, I think it's foolish for us to plan only for a jail. 00:53:02.349 --> 00:53:11.800 - And while we don't have the funding in place today, I'm only going to personally be able to support 00:53:11.800 --> 00:53:17.470 - something that will lead to co-location in the near future. 00:53:17.698 --> 00:53:24.424 - either that or we end up dumping money into the Charlottesville building and we end up with ongoing 00:53:24.424 --> 00:53:31.218 - expenses. And we've heard from the judges, the prosecutor and the sheriff that co-location is a must 00:53:31.218 --> 00:53:38.213 - and I support that. We'll figure it out. And no, it's not gonna be right away. Of course not, of course 00:53:38.213 --> 00:53:44.670 - not. But that doesn't mean that it can't be in the plan. And that would be a really good thing. 00:53:44.770 --> 00:53:52.818 - Uh, but that's as far as I'll go right now on anything else. Um, but I just, um, I appreciate everybody's 00:53:52.818 --> 00:54:00.714 - thoughts and comments and, um, it, I think the news is better than it appeared to be when we were first 00:54:00.714 --> 00:54:08.990 - presented with this. These numbers and this resolution, I think, you know, clearly it will be, uh, sacrifice 00:54:08.990 --> 00:54:13.470 - to get to that number, but, but it seems perfectly doable. 00:54:13.986 --> 00:54:20.562 - this time. Did you have anything you wanted to add, Jeff? I would just say I have not watched the meeting, 00:54:20.562 --> 00:54:26.770 - so everything that I talked about is straight from the resolution, right? Sure. I am sure that there 00:54:26.770 --> 00:54:33.101 - are conversations to have. I guess when I'm talking about the number, I was reading this and I'm like, 00:54:33.101 --> 00:54:39.677 - this is what can fall, or if I was the ACLU or ICLU attorney, this is how I would interpret this document, 00:54:39.677 --> 00:54:42.750 - right? Okay. And I don't think that's inaccurate. 00:54:43.234 --> 00:54:50.667 - So what we're saying is we can afford it. We may not want there's some pain involved with that number. 00:54:50.667 --> 00:54:58.173 - I'm not saying there's not any pain involved, but it's a piece of paper that says we can do it legally. 00:54:58.173 --> 00:55:05.895 - Yeah. Then that puts that burden, shifts that burden. Did you? I'm just going to say, and that's presuming 00:55:05.895 --> 00:55:12.318 - that we would need $170 million. That's the maximum, right? That's the maximum we would. 00:55:12.610 --> 00:55:18.179 - And we don't know that I got a pretty immediate. Yes. So I'm thinking it's, it's the word that we would 00:55:18.179 --> 00:55:23.642 - be below that. Yeah. We're not going to try to do the max. We're going to try to do. You can't really 00:55:23.642 --> 00:55:29.051 - have an accurate figure until you know where it's going to be. Right. Because a lot of that's what's 00:55:29.051 --> 00:55:34.673 - the ground cost, if anything, what's it cost to prepare the ground? So it's level and you could, I mean, 00:55:34.673 --> 00:55:40.350 - there's design costs. I mean, there's a lot of, you know, we've got some done. It's the second, you know, 00:55:40.674 --> 00:55:50.573 - where it's gonna go. Right, because there could be preparations required, there could be other things. 00:55:50.573 --> 00:56:00.375 - And so for me, it comes to co-location and timing, right? Timing being such an important part of this 00:56:00.375 --> 00:56:06.526 - now, especially given the position of the ICLU ACLU box letter. 00:56:06.754 --> 00:56:15.353 - So, but that's a good way, that's a good way to read it. And it's probably good that you didn't see 00:56:15.353 --> 00:56:24.469 - that meeting because it is a resolution that stands on its own. And they did intend it to be a resolution 00:56:24.469 --> 00:56:33.154 - for the ICLU, ACLU as the audience, not us, apparently, but. Ms. Turner was, Turner King was advised 00:56:33.154 --> 00:56:35.390 - to set the following day. 00:56:36.322 --> 00:56:46.266 - when she sent us her copy, so yeah. I mean, it's factual, right? There's nothing in there that I don't 00:56:46.266 --> 00:56:56.016 - think is factual. But I think it's actually a very good statement as to what our maximum is. I mean, 00:56:56.016 --> 00:57:04.222 - the next step is in, I will be totally honest with you, I would not feel comfortable 00:57:04.482 --> 00:57:11.148 - recommending we go to the max, right? Because that is, that's dangerous. I think the column in that 00:57:11.148 --> 00:57:18.014 - third column where it talks about, well, if this, and that's basically designed where if this were say 00:57:18.014 --> 00:57:24.813 - a TIF fund, right? And we knew this was the amount of revenue we're getting in the TIF, we would take 00:57:24.813 --> 00:57:31.545 - 80% of that revenue. Right, for bond. And have that be the most we would ever do a bond. Well, these 00:57:31.545 --> 00:57:34.078 - funds are not getting, that's not 80% 00:57:34.434 --> 00:57:41.808 - That number there, that 11, I mean, that's 40% of what's, or 50% of what's collected. Not anywhere close 00:57:41.808 --> 00:57:48.831 - to that 1.25. I think that philosophy is good because it gives you some comfort to know that you're 00:57:48.831 --> 00:57:56.064 - always gonna have enough revenue to pay your bond and still maintain your current expenses. So I think 00:57:56.064 --> 00:57:59.646 - there's some value to knowing what that number is. 00:58:00.194 --> 00:58:08.279 - And knowing that the lit max of 25% of the total lit collected would go to a bond is also helpful because 00:58:08.279 --> 00:58:16.135 - that says, hey, you control the other 75%. And I know that was bandied about, oh, we're going to spend 00:58:16.135 --> 00:58:23.762 - half our lit. No. You don't need to. In my mind, it's less than the amount you're not spending. You 00:58:23.762 --> 00:58:29.406 - are collecting more than that amount, which is a good thing, right? Yeah. 00:58:29.634 --> 00:58:39.133 - building stress levels, but they're also building, I'm kind of comfortable with that concept, things 00:58:39.133 --> 00:58:48.632 - with her too. Sure, sure, of course. Explain the half of lit. Comments. I don't think I can. I'm not 00:58:48.632 --> 00:58:57.566 - sure I understand. What did you hear? No, I would like for Mr. Cockrell to expand upon fusion. 00:58:59.298 --> 00:59:06.931 - Well, I don't know what you're asking, but I will go and say I was at the February 10th meeting, right? 00:59:06.931 --> 00:59:14.490 - And at the February 10th meeting, there were statements made that basically that half our lit is going 00:59:14.490 --> 00:59:22.123 - to keep us on a level playing field, right? And I assume that that is half of what will be the new lit. 00:59:22.123 --> 00:59:29.022 - I think that's baked into that. Half of your total lit will go to maintaining the status quo. 00:59:29.122 --> 00:59:36.634 - And if it's based upon going from, you know, basically what we have now to the 1.2, and you're thinking 00:59:36.634 --> 00:59:44.073 - half of that, well, I mean, that other half's a pretty big number, right? It's 25 million, 30 million. 00:59:44.073 --> 00:59:51.440 - I don't know off the top of my head, but that other half is a pretty good number. So if, I personally 00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:58.302 - don't think it will take only half to maintain status quo, right? I don't know how that works. 00:59:59.394 --> 01:00:08.430 - If that's the case, and I mean, that's just, to me, then it goes down to priorities, right? What are 01:00:08.430 --> 01:00:18.093 - you going to prioritize over this facility if you have, you know, if two thirds of what you aren't spending 01:00:18.093 --> 01:00:27.219 - can accomplish this goal and one third is just still there to cover any unknown, then, you know, kind 01:00:27.219 --> 01:00:28.382 - of what are, 01:00:28.578 --> 01:00:34.896 - What are we worried about? What can come ahead of us in the next 15, 20 years that we really think is 01:00:34.896 --> 01:00:41.399 - reasonable that it will be a higher priority than this project? That would be the questions that I think 01:00:41.399 --> 01:00:47.655 - everybody should be asking themselves when they're looking at any of these numbers, right? What will 01:00:47.655 --> 01:00:54.654 - happen in the next few years that we think we need this funding for that is a higher priority than this project? 01:00:55.298 --> 01:01:01.842 - And that's kind of where I think the whole funding conversation, if you're going to break it down to 01:01:01.842 --> 01:01:08.386 - its simplest terms, is we know we've got $170 million from that document. I can tell you now, I know 01:01:08.386 --> 01:01:14.995 - things in my mind that I would consider to be a higher priority than some of the things that we would 01:01:14.995 --> 01:01:21.539 - do that I think would get that cost up to $170 million. I think that there is a base cost much lower 01:01:21.539 --> 01:01:23.742 - than that that we need to figure. 01:01:23.938 --> 01:01:30.505 - piece of property, we can figure out what that is. And then we can have the conversation is of, well, 01:01:30.505 --> 01:01:37.072 - if we did this, you know, what do we expect in the next 20 years to happen that we're not going to be 01:01:37.072 --> 01:01:43.768 - able to do because we did X, Y, or Z with this project. And I think that's where we need to go. I think 01:01:43.768 --> 01:01:50.142 - we keep getting, I think we start down that path and then we keep getting caught up with location. 01:01:51.394 --> 01:01:57.612 - Not an easy location for a jail project is never going to be universally accepted. It's never going 01:01:57.612 --> 01:02:04.079 - to be everybody's going to love it. Every some there are always going to be people who complain. Right. 01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:10.421 - And I think that I think we are going to continue. We need to make a decision on where we're going to 01:02:10.421 --> 01:02:16.204 - go and we need to be firm in that and get things going. And I think then we can get to where 01:02:16.204 --> 01:02:17.758 - those conversations are. 01:02:22.402 --> 01:02:30.767 - I'm glad you asked that question. I heard that statement differently, so. That was the situation. 01:02:30.767 --> 01:02:40.070 - Thank you. You just said, Julie, you heard that wrong. Because I was like, I don't understand that question. 01:02:40.070 --> 01:02:48.776 - Yeah. All right. That's why. Thank you. So kind. Anything else? We Commissioner Jones. Anything else? 01:02:48.776 --> 01:02:52.190 - No, I don't. It's good to see you, Lee. 01:02:53.026 --> 01:03:01.142 - It's good to be here, hopefully in person next week. We're not here next week. The meeting was already 01:03:01.142 --> 01:03:09.022 - canceled. OK, the week after, sorry. Did you have anything, Commissioner Medeira? I think that it's 01:03:09.022 --> 01:03:16.981 - very helpful to remember that just because we build a jail does not mean we don't focus on community 01:03:16.981 --> 01:03:21.630 - programming. And one is not to the exclusion of the other. 01:03:21.730 --> 01:03:28.082 - It's not an either or question. It's a both and. We have to do both. But often, they're two separate 01:03:28.082 --> 01:03:34.434 - populations. And they have to be two separate populations. There are people who, unfortunately, have 01:03:34.434 --> 01:03:40.723 - to be people who live in the jail. And often, they are not the same people who can be released into 01:03:40.723 --> 01:03:47.012 - the community. But it would be great to be able to offer decent mental and physical health care for 01:03:47.012 --> 01:03:50.974 - those folks and treatment. Yes. Yes. And we can't do that now. 01:03:51.234 --> 01:03:58.112 - to the extent that we need to. And I agree that it is important to have all of those components, but 01:03:58.112 --> 01:04:04.786 - I think when we think about those priorities, as Jeff said, when we think about those priorities, 01:04:04.786 --> 01:04:10.302 - constitutionally, we have to have a jail, right? So that is priority number one. 01:04:10.466 --> 01:04:17.625 - And I would love to do all the, you know, I'd love to have the rest of the justice system built the 01:04:17.625 --> 01:04:25.143 - same time. Ain't going to happen. It's okay. We'll figure it out. Right. But, but then let's think about 01:04:25.143 --> 01:04:32.302 - what's next on the priority list. Is it, is it continuing to try to keep the Zillow building going, 01:04:32.302 --> 01:04:37.886 - um, and remodeling it, or is it, I know, um, I know that, yeah. Uh, or is it, 01:04:38.114 --> 01:04:45.759 - or is it really to go ahead and get that built? Or is it some sort of mental health treatment services, 01:04:45.759 --> 01:04:53.551 - substance use disorder treatment services in our community? That's a priority. And when you set a budget, 01:04:53.551 --> 01:05:01.048 - you make a priority. And I get it. And yes, we have to have those programs. And I'm glad for the ones 01:05:01.048 --> 01:05:06.782 - that we do have. It's not sufficient. We all know that. It is not sufficient. 01:05:07.202 --> 01:05:15.926 - Um, but, but we also know that the state's not helping to pay for it. The feds stopped paying for it 01:05:15.926 --> 01:05:24.649 - in the eighties. Um, and, and it will be a community commitment to pay for that kind of service. Um, 01:05:24.649 --> 01:05:29.054 - and it's going to be a question for the community. 01:05:29.154 --> 01:05:36.384 - Yes, and statutorily, we are charged with carceral care. Statutorily, we are not charged with community 01:05:36.384 --> 01:05:43.337 - care. And there are so many other providers who, for better or worse, can pick up that load. And we 01:05:43.337 --> 01:05:50.845 - can partner with them. And we need to partner with them. But statutorily, we also have that responsibility. 01:05:50.845 --> 01:05:58.145 - And that is incumbent upon us. And that is incumbent upon, you know, that's what we need to use taxpayer 01:05:58.145 --> 01:05:58.910 - funds for. 01:05:59.266 --> 01:06:09.609 - our job is also to make sure that the people who live in our facility become people who do return to 01:06:09.609 --> 01:06:20.260 - it. And that we are providing the safest possible conditions for our staff and for those who are housed 01:06:20.260 --> 01:06:28.350 - there. And that is a priority that we have to take care of. There's no excuse. 01:06:28.802 --> 01:06:40.027 - And I believe that the transition team that has been working with the CLD prior to October, I think 01:06:40.027 --> 01:06:51.700 - that they were building design, helping to design a very treatment oriented focused facility. So, yeah. 01:06:51.700 --> 01:06:56.190 - I want to say 80 to 85. This is in the. 01:07:01.794 --> 01:07:10.820 - and then a single cell for people who have different needs. Medical treatment, and then there's room 01:07:10.820 --> 01:07:19.220 - to do programming that we don't have now. And we saw it when we did the jail tours elsewhere, 01:07:19.220 --> 01:07:27.710 - other states, that there are ways to set up a pod so that it becomes a substance use treatment 01:07:28.322 --> 01:07:35.205 - forward pod, and they work every day toward building themselves up to get out and to become productive 01:07:35.205 --> 01:07:41.955 - residents. And it's exciting to see that. And we can't do it. We can't do it. You know? Since we got 01:07:41.955 --> 01:07:48.637 - on this topic, I just want to say, I applauded the work of the transition team. I thought they were 01:07:48.637 --> 01:07:55.521 - very reflective of what they were hearing from the community. Sure. What was the expression? I thought 01:07:55.521 --> 01:07:57.726 - they were doing a very good job. 01:07:58.818 --> 01:08:05.443 - reacting to what I think was kind of the universal hate, the kind of stuff we want to see in our facility 01:08:05.443 --> 01:08:11.756 - that we can't do now. And I thought they did a great job. And there's a lot of that information that 01:08:11.756 --> 01:08:18.381 - we won't be able to share ever because of security issues, obviously. But we can share numbers and space, 01:08:18.381 --> 01:08:24.631 - but we can't share diagrams and whatnot. But I will say as well that I think throughout the county, 01:08:24.631 --> 01:08:27.006 - we had staff stepping up and working. 01:08:27.170 --> 01:08:34.977 - at quite a few of those meetings. I know Angie and Jeff were at almost all of them. And when we had 01:08:34.977 --> 01:08:42.784 - meetings with DLZ and department heads and getting things cut and changed to get down to that five, 01:08:42.784 --> 01:08:50.122 - we did it. And they did it. You know, it wasn't a party and it wasn't a circus. It was tough. 01:08:50.122 --> 01:08:54.494 - It was tough. But it was possible. But it was possible. 01:08:54.594 --> 01:09:03.852 - And they all made it happen in one way or another. And that cooperative work that got us to where we 01:09:03.852 --> 01:09:13.018 - were before the state legislature decided to mess with our lives. But we can't blame them if indeed 01:09:13.018 --> 01:09:23.742 - there is a way to do this now. I would say I blame them for not being able to immediately build co-located services. 01:09:24.514 --> 01:09:33.988 - Beyond that, if we can do it, I'm excited, just to get this thing moving. And I have a lot of optimism, 01:09:33.988 --> 01:09:43.189 - so thank you. Anybody have anything else to add? All right, so with that, we are adjourned. Our next 01:09:43.189 --> 01:09:53.118 - meeting is really, really, really March 12th, 10 a.m., right here in the Daniel Hill Room. Thanks, everyone.