WEBVTT 00:00:00.130 --> 00:00:07.588 - So I'm going to call to order this work session for the Monroe County Board of Commissioners. 00:00:07.588 --> 00:00:15.919 - It's May 21st. All three commissioners here and present in the NatU Hill Room. Mr. Schilling, Mr. LeRoux 00:00:15.919 --> 00:00:23.853 - from our building department. I guess you should just take all three together because it seems like 00:00:23.853 --> 00:00:27.582 - they are all connected. All right, I'll start. 00:00:27.714 --> 00:00:35.138 - We have three ordinances, Dave Schelling from the legal department. We have three ordinances relating 00:00:35.138 --> 00:00:42.489 - to our building department that we're presenting, and we'll be asking you to consider it at the next 00:00:42.489 --> 00:00:49.913 - regular meeting. The first one is amendments to chapter 430, and that's our building code. That's the 00:00:49.913 --> 00:00:57.118 - code where we adopt all the state codes by reference and so forth. And so the legislature has been 00:00:57.378 --> 00:01:06.104 - tinkering around with the building enabling legislation and has come up with a new chapter 36.7 2.5 00:01:06.104 --> 00:01:15.179 - that relates to class two buildings. And it says if you're gonna issue permits for class two buildings, 00:01:15.179 --> 00:01:23.556 - which you have to do, you have to follow this procedure. So we've made changes to our ordinance 00:01:23.556 --> 00:01:25.214 - to incorporate the 00:01:25.730 --> 00:01:34.523 - changes that have statutorily been made to the class two building procedures. And we've incorporated 00:01:34.523 --> 00:01:43.403 - some definitions that are included in that chapter and just sort of rejiggered the ordinance to match 00:01:43.403 --> 00:01:52.196 - what actually happens in practice. And that's, I don't know, Bobbi, do you have anything else to add 00:01:52.196 --> 00:01:55.678 - to that? All right, class two refers to 00:01:56.866 --> 00:02:06.659 - family homes and town thank you um you're talking about the very first uh ordinance on the list correct 00:02:06.659 --> 00:02:16.451 - well i'm talking about the the one the amendments to chapter 430 so the first sentence of each document 00:02:16.451 --> 00:02:21.630 - will tell you what's being amended yeah let me go back 00:02:37.666 --> 00:02:54.121 - Monroe County building code right 430-1 okay so this matches state code as it exists now yes which might 00:02:54.121 --> 00:03:03.838 - not be how it exists within a few months yeah that's true too 00:03:06.018 --> 00:03:15.520 - Just so you all are aware, they're already talking about making changes. They're fairly cumbersome 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:25.215 - administrative procedure. Talking with folks right now about trying to get that part of it fixed. It 00:03:25.215 --> 00:03:30.494 - requires us to monitor applications for three days for 00:03:35.618 --> 00:03:50.407 - assumption the app proper applications and letters if we don't get a reason they're already working 00:03:50.407 --> 00:04:03.422 - on it and on some additional additional well why do we have to monitor the applications 00:04:04.514 --> 00:04:12.888 - They want to make sure that permits are issued very quickly. And so they have a situation where you 00:04:12.888 --> 00:04:21.430 - have to alert them through an email that the application they've submitted is complete, and then they 00:04:21.430 --> 00:04:29.888 - have so much response time and so forth. And typically, Bobby and his department is able to actually 00:04:29.888 --> 00:04:34.494 - issue the permit before these provisions even run out. 00:04:35.330 --> 00:04:44.562 - Is there any purpose? Like, is there any penalty if it's not? So this is the question I've been trying 00:04:44.562 --> 00:04:53.614 - to get an answer to. I understand that they want the three-day time period if the permit application 00:04:53.614 --> 00:05:03.294 - is incomplete. That makes sense to me, but to tell people it's proper doesn't. Yes, there can be penalties. 00:05:03.970 --> 00:05:13.094 - funding permit fees if time frames aren't met. Gotcha. For the issuance of a permit. They said our plan 00:05:13.094 --> 00:05:22.482 - for class two structures, and we've been able to do this for decades, our plan is just to get our building 00:05:22.482 --> 00:05:26.430 - portion, building permit portion done before 00:05:27.778 --> 00:05:37.293 - Notifying them that they have an incomplete application. So what I'm working to, I totally understand. 00:05:37.293 --> 00:05:46.530 - If you make an application and it's incomplete, you shouldn't just sit there and folks not be told. 00:05:46.530 --> 00:05:56.414 - We're all on board with that. I just don't understand the reasoning for having to tell them it's complete. 00:05:56.514 --> 00:06:07.175 - complete and let us move on. Right now our front office has to monitor these things. There are letters 00:06:07.175 --> 00:06:17.629 - to send out if we don't have. And once the electronic communication or is it. The actual legislation 00:06:17.629 --> 00:06:20.734 - allows seven days to complete 00:06:26.338 --> 00:06:36.239 - And none of this impacts at all the agreement we have with the city of Bloomington. That's all woven 00:06:36.239 --> 00:06:46.827 - in here. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Their process is the same. They're just where we used to collect everything 00:06:46.827 --> 00:06:55.454 - and do all of the running around for everybody. And that requires each step to be done. 00:06:57.122 --> 00:07:07.166 - the individual departments. That's what seems like it would take longer. Yes. It does. And this is why 00:07:07.166 --> 00:07:17.014 - I don't have an answer for it. I think Monroe County was the model that the rest of the state should 00:07:17.014 --> 00:07:25.790 - have been utilizing. We worked with the city for 40 years to develop 35 years. I'm sorry. 00:07:27.362 --> 00:07:35.595 - to develop a system that was easy for the folks of Monroe County and the building department did all 00:07:35.595 --> 00:07:43.828 - of the shuttling too. Departments were kind enough to shuttle back all of the information we needed. 00:07:43.828 --> 00:07:52.225 - I think there's a misunderstanding. We have always issued multiple permits at the same time. We issued 00:07:52.225 --> 00:07:56.382 - them. Building department at the same time collect 00:07:56.482 --> 00:08:04.257 - the fees, disperse them. We did all of that. The legislation said we weren't fast enough, I guess. I 00:08:04.257 --> 00:08:11.956 - think this legislation was not aimed at us. Yeah, no kidding. I think this legislation was aimed at 00:08:11.956 --> 00:08:19.808 - counties that pulled up building permits for whatever reason, whatever. Certainly, it's not a mark on 00:08:19.808 --> 00:08:24.350 - your good record and your hard work and your staff's work. 00:08:25.122 --> 00:08:32.679 - Unfortunately, even if it wasn't, it has wrecked decades of work. Sometimes it was tough negotiating 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:40.235 - with with different to make communications easy. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm sorry about that. And I hope it 00:08:40.235 --> 00:08:48.241 - can get fixed. So so we don't have a choice. We have to do it as the state wants us to do it now. Correct. 00:08:48.241 --> 00:08:49.438 - That's correct. 00:08:50.754 --> 00:08:58.774 - One other interesting feature of the new state legislation is that individuals seeking building permits 00:08:58.774 --> 00:09:06.639 - can use a private provider to do the inspections and plan review. And if they do that and the private 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:14.427 - provider provides a certificate and an affidavit to the building department, the building department 00:09:14.427 --> 00:09:18.206 - has to issue the permit. They can't, they can't, 00:09:18.498 --> 00:09:29.068 - second guess it or anything they have to issue it it does uh fortunately release the county of any liability 00:09:29.068 --> 00:09:39.056 - uh in in that situation if a private provider is used isn't the private provider provision sorry I was 00:09:39.056 --> 00:09:43.614 - taxing uh is that isn't that provision only if 00:09:43.874 --> 00:09:51.109 - certain initial deadlines are not met by the building department or is that under any circumstance if 00:09:51.109 --> 00:09:58.202 - the deadlines aren't met they can say hey i'm going to go to a private provider or they can do that 00:09:58.202 --> 00:10:05.507 - initially they have to they have to indicate that on the building permit application okay but they pay 00:10:05.507 --> 00:10:11.678 - for that not us oddly enough we're still charged to maintain public permit records and 00:10:12.642 --> 00:10:21.076 - was to issue a certificate of occupancy on a building. Wow. Crazy. And just so y'all are aware, our 00:10:21.076 --> 00:10:29.679 - plan is to be more efficient, faster, more knowledgeable, and to be best value for for. I think we do 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:38.282 - that already. Yeah, I was gonna say I think your value prospect is already much better than what's in 00:10:38.282 --> 00:10:41.150 - the private market. So I wouldn't 00:10:42.370 --> 00:10:51.754 - appreciate the sentiment though really it's it's good that you're thinking that way but i think this 00:10:51.754 --> 00:11:01.230 - legislation was directed at some other counties gotten caught in the crossfire um the other the other 00:11:01.230 --> 00:11:11.171 - two pieces of one one of the other ordinances amends chapter 433 and that's our licensing and registration 00:11:11.171 --> 00:11:12.286 - chapter for 00:11:12.418 --> 00:11:23.297 - electrical contractors and plumbing contractors. And so the changes to this are basically just to bring 00:11:23.297 --> 00:11:33.757 - the terms and the language that's used currently into the ordinance and to clear up a few questions 00:11:33.757 --> 00:11:42.334 - that have come up in this process. I don't know, Bobby, if you want to hit those. 00:11:42.722 --> 00:11:53.209 - The state, and I appreciate it in some degrees, because I'm a homeowner as well, basically allows homeowners 00:11:53.209 --> 00:12:02.927 - to do a lot of work on their homes, homes that they own. Our ordinance has allowed that for decades. 00:12:02.927 --> 00:12:09.758 - What is happening now is certain folks will own a house for two weeks, 00:12:10.370 --> 00:12:19.605 - and claim home ownership of that house and not use licensed contractors and plumbers or electricians 00:12:19.605 --> 00:12:28.930 - and plumbers and then they don't own the house anymore. Changes there are to say no, this is for home 00:12:28.930 --> 00:12:34.142 - that is your primary residence, right? Not market again. 00:12:39.458 --> 00:12:53.475 - bringing language up to the that's used today and just kind of clarify the testing and quality. Monroe 00:12:53.475 --> 00:13:08.990 - County licenses electricians, but the state licenses plumbers. That's why there's no testing procedures laid out. 00:13:19.106 --> 00:13:30.306 - On that first ordinance, section two, it says specifically after December 31st, 2020, that because of 00:13:30.306 --> 00:13:41.396 - the state legislation and when it starts. So it is your page three. On the 430, did you say? It's on 00:13:41.396 --> 00:13:48.094 - the one that says 430 and 433. Oh, that? It's the first one. 00:13:48.482 --> 00:14:08.954 - That's the permit fee ordinance. This is an ordinance that changes the way building permit fees are 00:14:08.954 --> 00:14:14.686 - established. It states that 00:14:14.786 --> 00:14:23.519 - the fees have to be reasonably related to the cost of providing the service. That's always been the 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:32.514 - case under the home rule law, but they've added it again to this section on building permit fees. They 00:14:32.514 --> 00:14:41.334 - only allow you after January 1 of 2027, you can only change your building department fees once every 00:14:41.334 --> 00:14:44.478 - five years. And only then there's a 00:14:44.674 --> 00:14:52.471 - some calculus that you have to do. It's tied to the consumer price index or something like that. So 00:14:52.471 --> 00:15:00.735 - it can only go up so much unless you have a public hearing in front of the county council and demonstrate 00:15:00.735 --> 00:15:08.532 - that you need to charge more. So there's a safety valve there that allows us to do that. These fees 00:15:08.532 --> 00:15:13.054 - that we're talking about today were last changed in 2012. 00:15:13.442 --> 00:15:21.256 - So they need to be updated and Bobby has gone through and and done new calculations about how much time 00:15:21.256 --> 00:15:28.845 - it takes to do each type of permit and so forth and has has made the adjustments and we've made some 00:15:28.845 --> 00:15:31.550 - of the adjustments to to deal with. 00:15:31.682 --> 00:15:39.215 - the new legislation on class two buildings about how we have to sometimes return fees. If we collect 00:15:39.215 --> 00:15:46.823 - a building permit and then they decide, hey, we're going to use a private provider, we have to return 00:15:46.823 --> 00:15:54.878 - the fee with the exception of $100, which is our convenience fee. So this is the building permit ordinance. 00:15:56.418 --> 00:16:04.386 - We have it set up for advertisement. Once it's adopted, it'll have to be advertised in the newspaper, 00:16:04.386 --> 00:16:12.354 - and then it takes effect six months later. So we won't be collecting these fees until towards the end 00:16:12.354 --> 00:16:20.166 - of the year. And one option that Bobby has suggested is just making it effective on January 1, just 00:16:20.166 --> 00:16:21.182 - to be clean. 00:16:21.442 --> 00:16:29.371 - So that's that's something if the commissioners desire that we can we can change that when we present 00:16:29.371 --> 00:16:37.688 - the final version to you. That makes sense. In that section two there's also provision for a non-reverting 00:16:37.688 --> 00:16:45.150 - fund. Yes that's part of the new law and it says all building fees have to go into a non-revert 00:16:45.858 --> 00:16:54.190 - Uh-huh. So it's interesting because the legislature put the same limit on fee increases for permits 00:16:54.190 --> 00:17:03.104 - through planning as they did for building. So they're in the same situation. We are in the same situation. 00:17:03.104 --> 00:17:11.603 - But they don't have this provision. Yes, that's correct. They do not have to create a dedicated fund. 00:17:11.603 --> 00:17:15.102 - So the non-reverting fund is dedicated to 00:17:15.778 --> 00:17:24.601 - In other words, it needs to be used to pay for salaries and fuel and supplies or whatever is in the 00:17:24.601 --> 00:17:32.894 - building department's budget. Am I reading that correctly? That would be my assumption. Okay. 00:17:32.894 --> 00:17:41.893 - So the council, is the council aware of this? I don't know. I would say make sure that at budget time 00:17:41.893 --> 00:17:45.246 - you explain all of this to them. Yes. 00:17:45.698 --> 00:17:56.653 - this is new. And it's not the same for planning. Okay. Yeah. Ask when does the need to be established? 00:17:56.653 --> 00:18:07.395 - Starting January one. Okay. So yeah, so during the budget process, we need to make sure that plan on 00:18:07.395 --> 00:18:12.606 - studying this more. Honestly, this is new. Yeah. 00:18:14.722 --> 00:18:25.750 - more enjoy just being a building inspector than dealing with the legislative interpreter. I think that 00:18:25.750 --> 00:18:36.779 - I'm going to have to get some education and I'm going to have to do everything you can and you've done 00:18:36.779 --> 00:18:41.918 - everything you can and I appreciate seeing you. 00:18:42.050 --> 00:18:51.124 - My colleagues have other questions about the three. You covered all of it. This is a heavy notes day. 00:18:51.124 --> 00:19:00.199 - Thanks. I just said this is a heavy notes day. I'm sitting here taking notes because it's interesting 00:19:00.199 --> 00:19:09.184 - to see how things are changing and how things are working. So yeah. So June 4th. Okay. So that's our 00:19:09.184 --> 00:19:10.430 - next meeting. 00:19:10.562 --> 00:19:23.078 - I think January 1st makes sense for the expectation. There was one other thing on the permits that Bobby 00:19:23.078 --> 00:19:36.190 - had worked on. There's an opportunity sometimes it's necessary to have a private contractor review class one. 00:19:36.674 --> 00:19:43.808 - Those usually go to the state but there's there's times when they're looked at through a private person 00:19:43.808 --> 00:19:51.010 - and so the fee for that is there's going to be a fee established that is going to be sufficient to cover 00:19:51.010 --> 00:19:58.076 - what it is likely to cost a private contractor. Go ahead Angie. Yes because I've been involved in this 00:19:58.076 --> 00:20:04.318 - conversation with Bobby so I just need some clarification because my understanding is that 00:20:04.482 --> 00:20:13.977 - this need for the contract is specifically because of our anticipated missing commercial inspector building 00:20:13.977 --> 00:20:23.032 - inspector and because they're trying to find a relief valve because they're only going to have I think 00:20:23.032 --> 00:20:31.824 - one or one and plus Bobby that could do that. So this is actually going to be a relief valve that's 00:20:31.824 --> 00:20:33.758 - going to be in place. 00:20:34.594 --> 00:20:48.214 - And so my understanding is that these plan reviews that had been done by building, our building department 00:20:48.214 --> 00:21:01.326 - will go to this, to a contracted entity. And this fee is to, is a fee that is gonna be assessed to all 00:21:01.326 --> 00:21:04.126 - properties. Last one. 00:21:05.090 --> 00:21:13.791 - and covering the cost, so either we do it in house or if we send it outside of our house, it covers 00:21:13.791 --> 00:21:22.578 - that cost. If it doesn't cover the cost outside of our house, we will eat that difference. That make 00:21:22.578 --> 00:21:31.453 - sense? Yes, that's my understanding as well. I just continue to have conversations about this all the 00:21:31.453 --> 00:21:34.846 - time. I wanna make sure this is right. 00:21:35.138 --> 00:21:43.682 - I had a number in here that I thought was going to $300 for that plan review. I spoke yesterday with 00:21:43.682 --> 00:21:52.396 - a private provider that I trust very much, and they've said that that will not cover their plan review 00:21:52.396 --> 00:22:01.279 - fees. So I got the number of hours correct. The average number of hours is three. I held up four fingers 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:05.086 - and said three for a commercial plan review. 00:22:05.410 --> 00:22:15.433 - Obviously there are smaller projects that take less time, and there are apartment buildings that take 00:22:15.433 --> 00:22:25.456 - substantially more time than that. But the average is three, and they're at about $150. Ours is about 00:22:25.456 --> 00:22:34.398 - $100 an hour, and there's... But if we still do it at the 300, that is fair for everybody. 00:22:35.714 --> 00:22:44.654 - Because that is what would be the cost for you to do it, right? That would be the average cost for us. 00:22:44.654 --> 00:22:53.420 - We're going to eat that other. So well, is there a way around that? I mean, Mr Schilling, is there a 00:22:53.420 --> 00:23:02.446 - way that we could establish sort of? I've seen us do that before in other venues where we've said we're 00:23:02.446 --> 00:23:05.310 - going to pass this cost along to 00:23:06.114 --> 00:23:16.572 - you if it exceeds this, this is what you're paying for. Is there any way to do that in the building 00:23:16.572 --> 00:23:27.134 - code where we can just pass that number along? Yeah, and we had language that we thought about where 00:23:27.134 --> 00:23:32.990 - it would be established if a private provider was used. 00:23:33.410 --> 00:23:41.527 - that their fee would be added to the fee charged by the building department and that would have to be 00:23:41.527 --> 00:23:49.485 - paid by the applicant at the time. And that was one approach we talked about. The other approach we 00:23:49.485 --> 00:23:58.079 - talked about was just having like on-call reviewers like we do with highway and stormwater, have a contract 00:23:58.079 --> 00:24:01.342 - for an on-call at such and such a price. 00:24:05.154 --> 00:24:12.520 - would invoice us and then we the problem is is that this is happening because we are short-staffed and 00:24:12.520 --> 00:24:20.101 - we're sure that's because finish that sentence we're short-staffed because we anticipate somebody leaving 00:24:20.101 --> 00:24:27.395 - uh-huh and we haven't filled the other position so there's two but there will be two vacant positions 00:24:27.395 --> 00:24:34.046 - and has the council talked about filling the vacancy or not talked about filling the vacancy 00:24:34.786 --> 00:24:44.114 - You can give a permission to fill one. Did you ask about the other? I did not, because maybe it's good, 00:24:44.114 --> 00:24:53.262 - maybe it's bad. When I'm asked to do something, like not fill a position, even if I think we need it, 00:24:53.262 --> 00:25:02.230 - I do that thing, because I'm assuming that there is a reason that I've been asked to do that thing. 00:25:02.230 --> 00:25:03.486 - But we can't. 00:25:03.650 --> 00:25:12.489 - We can't function as a department without at least one commercial building inspector. The fact that 00:25:12.489 --> 00:25:21.770 - we're losing this one is what's causing this problem. So what the council needs to learn and maybe share 00:25:21.770 --> 00:25:30.610 - this with the council is that if we don't get this filled that it will come at a cost to the county 00:25:30.610 --> 00:25:31.582 - because if 00:25:31.714 --> 00:25:38.158 - We set a $100 per hour, three hour rate average, and every time we use somebody outside, it costs $150, 00:25:38.158 --> 00:25:44.913 - $200 more. The county's absorbing that. Taxpayers are absorbing that, like corporate welfare. It's corporate 00:25:44.913 --> 00:25:51.357 - welfare. Taxpayers are paying for it. So if the council understands that, then maybe they will go ahead 00:25:51.357 --> 00:25:57.740 - and if they haven't been told about it yet, that may be a way to present it to them. I don't think the 00:25:57.740 --> 00:26:01.086 - council's the problem. The council's not the problem. 00:26:01.378 --> 00:26:10.748 - at this point in time. The problem is we have somebody who's going to be leaving that we weren't planning 00:26:10.748 --> 00:26:19.941 - on leaving. And so that has resulted in this rather dire situation, if you will. The other problem that 00:26:19.941 --> 00:26:29.311 - has been brought to my attention is that the job description needs to be changed because we have somebody 00:26:29.311 --> 00:26:30.814 - who has done it. 00:26:31.298 --> 00:26:40.966 - and they said they're not going to do it. They don't want to do the commercial because it never ending 00:26:40.966 --> 00:26:50.446 - and they get paid the same regardless of that never ending nightmare versus a potential, a nightmare 00:26:50.446 --> 00:26:59.926 - that ends. So the job description needs to be changed because it sounds to me like from talking with 00:26:59.926 --> 00:27:00.958 - Mr. LaRue, 00:27:01.506 --> 00:27:10.642 - that the commercial inspector needs to be classified at a higher classification than the residential. 00:27:10.642 --> 00:27:19.778 - Well, I asked that before, but there's a lot more that has to be done. There are a couple things, and 00:27:19.778 --> 00:27:28.824 - I'm going to admit to you that the job descriptions that we're using now, I put them together within 00:27:28.824 --> 00:27:30.974 - the first six months of 00:27:31.298 --> 00:27:41.302 - this position and I think some ways are really successful and this way they're not. For example, I have 00:27:41.302 --> 00:27:51.211 - tried basically the third empty position, the third is the position that I left and we have worked for 00:27:51.211 --> 00:28:00.734 - two and a half years to try to fill it and I cannot get a qualified applicant. Because of the pay? 00:28:01.698 --> 00:28:08.766 - I'm assuming that's part of it. The knowledge level, I mean, and part of it is... This is the first 00:28:08.766 --> 00:28:15.905 - time you've heard, though, that this is somebody who's actually differentiated between the two types 00:28:15.905 --> 00:28:22.973 - of inspectors. And so, you know, to know all of the things that you need to know to be a commercial 00:28:22.973 --> 00:28:29.758 - building inspector, you can just be a commercial contractor. Yeah. And a highly successful one. 00:28:30.018 --> 00:28:37.817 - Right. And it's a different thing. But I'm getting my the application and I'm not trying to 00:28:37.817 --> 00:28:46.463 - but at qualification as I installed screen doors for Lowe's for six months. Our jobs are so much more 00:28:46.463 --> 00:28:55.110 - than that. Well, I leave it in your capable hands to work with Ms. Purdy and Mr. Schilling and figure 00:28:55.110 --> 00:28:59.518 - out the best way to manage this short term and long 00:29:00.098 --> 00:29:07.932 - Obviously, this is a long-term answer to meet state code and state statute, but short-term, what do 00:29:07.932 --> 00:29:16.314 - we need from council if they don't, you know, they need to be alerted to what's going on, possible impact. 00:29:16.314 --> 00:29:24.305 - We can get that information. I'll take responsibilities for the things that I suggest, right? Part of 00:29:24.305 --> 00:29:25.950 - my concern with just 00:29:26.402 --> 00:29:36.698 - this is the fee that the private entity charged you is that it doesn't seem to our community. It doesn't 00:29:36.698 --> 00:29:47.093 - seem like that is everybody, and then if I have to decide, no, we're gonna do this one for 300 and you're 00:29:47.093 --> 00:29:55.134 - gonna go there for 900, that creates additional areas of conflict that, you know, 00:29:55.906 --> 00:30:07.745 - that I would have good reasons for making that decision. And just a clarification, Mr. Schilling, if 00:30:07.745 --> 00:30:19.585 - when we talked about the private individuals inspection work, is that also true on these projects or 00:30:19.585 --> 00:30:22.750 - is it only true last year? 00:30:23.042 --> 00:30:31.152 - we talked about earlier, only related to class two. That's what I thought. These commercial plan reviews. 00:30:31.152 --> 00:30:39.032 - Yeah, they really are. I mean, and there's so much on the line. It's so important to get it right. OK. 00:30:39.032 --> 00:30:46.836 - Well, I'll leave it. I mean, you all understand the issue. You all understand. Whatever you need from 00:30:46.836 --> 00:30:52.574 - us to support you, let us know, and we'll do everything we can. I realize. 00:30:53.122 --> 00:31:01.880 - But I do want to share, I, as a relief valve, plan reviews are something that I can work with. I don't 00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:10.384 - have any interest in working with an on-site inspector that I have no, you know, no real, and we're 00:31:10.384 --> 00:31:19.482 - able to accomplish the things we can in our department because of the reputation that we have. Not willing 00:31:19.482 --> 00:31:21.438 - to let an unknown face 00:31:21.698 --> 00:31:29.086 - uh... damage what we have worked for decades to to build and maintain not everybody likes us i'm not 00:31:29.086 --> 00:31:36.473 - i'm not trying to say that sometimes people are unhappy with the things that we say but i think they 00:31:36.473 --> 00:31:43.934 - respect us you have an excellent reputation and you and your staff have built that and uh... we can't 00:31:43.934 --> 00:31:49.566 - let the state legislature destroy so keep up the good work and thank you for 00:31:50.050 --> 00:31:56.277 - Working on this, I know it takes a lot to pull all this together. So thank you to all of you for working 00:31:56.277 --> 00:32:02.385 - on this. And we can hear this on the fourth or if we have more time later. Thank you. I think it's got 00:32:02.385 --> 00:32:08.493 - to get done in June if we want it by January 1st. That's true. It's got to be done by the end of June. 00:32:08.493 --> 00:32:14.601 - Yes, for sure. Thank you. Thank you all very much. Thank you. Thanks for taking the time to answer all 00:32:14.601 --> 00:32:19.582 - my questions. Sorry. It's interesting. Like the legislature thinks these things up. 00:32:19.714 --> 00:32:28.436 - You know, it's not like, oh, just put it in your code and you're fine and it'll all work out. It doesn't. 00:32:28.436 --> 00:32:36.994 - All right. Mr. Cockrell. Yes, and hopefully I can be fairly, fairly brief on this. In December of 2024, 00:32:36.994 --> 00:32:45.470 - the commissioners, we went through the process to approve an easement for Southern Monroe Water around 00:32:45.470 --> 00:32:46.622 - the property. 00:32:48.866 --> 00:32:55.479 - In that easement in 2024, it included the ability for utilities to utilize these easements to utilize 00:32:55.479 --> 00:33:02.028 - the structure. Well, they're going through their project now. Duke, the utility that would have been 00:33:02.028 --> 00:33:08.706 - authorized, and I think is authorized under our former one, however, they refuse to do any of the work 00:33:08.706 --> 00:33:15.319 - unless they have an easement of their own. The easement is for the same area, same restrictions, same 00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:18.302 - everything, so there's really no value to it. 00:33:18.402 --> 00:33:25.557 - So I don't think we have to go through the formal process, because if we were given away, it's not worth 00:33:25.557 --> 00:33:32.371 - $1,000, right? So what I would request is so that they can keep their project moving, that you guys 00:33:32.371 --> 00:33:39.321 - authorize the president and commissioners to sign the same easement stating basically Duke instead of 00:33:39.321 --> 00:33:45.726 - allowing it to be used through the Southern Monroe Water Utility. I guess that's the request. 00:33:46.178 --> 00:33:55.842 - And that's not what, if we do that, it's not going to impact Southern Monroe's. No, they're both not 00:33:55.842 --> 00:34:06.750 - exclusively. Got it. Okay. Great. That was the word. Uh, question. Something we could go ahead and approve today. 00:34:07.586 --> 00:34:15.397 - I think you could approve today. I actually, I guess I would prefer you go ahead and vote on it today. 00:34:15.397 --> 00:34:23.132 - I really think it's already been approved in 2024, but we're changing it enough that I think it would 00:34:23.132 --> 00:34:31.018 - be nice to have a vote. Would we need to ratify it as well in June or not? No, I think this has already 00:34:31.018 --> 00:34:36.478 - been approved. Yep. Okay. So go ahead and make a motion that we approve 00:34:36.674 --> 00:34:46.863 - the revision, facilities easement at, I call it Smithsville. I would say the Smithsville diamond property. 00:34:46.863 --> 00:34:56.575 - There you go, Smithsville diamond property. We have a motion and a second. Does anybody have a public 00:34:56.575 --> 00:35:00.670 - comment for this? You can raise your hand. 00:35:07.938 --> 00:35:31.253 - All those in favor of modifying the easement to diamond facilities at the Smithville property signify 00:35:31.253 --> 00:35:36.510 - by saying aye. Motion. 00:35:36.642 --> 00:35:40.574 - With that, we are adjourned. Thanks everyone.