WEBVTT 00:00:01.090 --> 00:00:08.226 - to go ahead and call to order this work session of the Monroe County Board of Commissioners. It is Thursday, 00:00:08.226 --> 00:00:14.773 - July 9th. I'll look for the record that Commissioner Madeira and myself are here and present in the 00:00:14.773 --> 00:00:21.450 - NatU Hill room. We do have one agenda item on our published agenda, which is a planning petition. And 00:00:21.450 --> 00:00:26.622 - I've asked them to the good folks at planning to wait. And that we're going to 00:00:26.818 --> 00:00:39.092 - here first and foremost- from our sheriff's department- and I wish you all good morning and you may 00:00:39.092 --> 00:00:51.366 - start whenever you would like. Thank you. Good morning. We should give us some time to talk to this 00:00:51.366 --> 00:00:55.294 - morning- several years ago- the 00:00:55.586 --> 00:01:09.263 - about three years and a half ago of the facility. We put in a PowerPoint and came and spoke to commissioners 00:01:09.263 --> 00:01:18.046 - and the council reference to the aging of that facility and the needs 00:01:18.594 --> 00:01:26.965 - for us to be able to provide a constitutional facility and the safety of the people there as well and 00:01:26.965 --> 00:01:35.336 - be able to classify people at a certain level. Three years later, three and a half years later, we're 00:01:35.336 --> 00:01:43.625 - in a position now that urgency is at the top of the level for us. Back then, my staff and I at times 00:01:43.625 --> 00:01:47.646 - would sit down and talk about what if we have to 00:01:48.386 --> 00:01:55.863 - transport people out of this facility. And what brought that about will be special events like, 00:01:55.863 --> 00:02:03.729 - for example, Little 500 or preparing for some type of emergency that we're not, we can't foresee it. 00:02:03.729 --> 00:02:11.518 - How do we proceed? So we have talked about it in preparation for just in case we needed to do that. 00:02:11.518 --> 00:02:17.982 - But I can tell you that this point where we're at right now, we have to do it now. 00:02:19.170 --> 00:02:27.303 - We're in a position now that the numbers have grown, and that has a ripple effect. And when I mean by 00:02:27.303 --> 00:02:35.436 - numbers, I mean people being incarcerated. However, that's not the only reason. We have to be able to 00:02:35.436 --> 00:02:43.569 - provide a constitutional jail. That is my responsibility. And I want to tell you that we have failed. 00:02:43.569 --> 00:02:49.150 - And we are at a point now that is very challenging for us to do that. 00:02:49.346 --> 00:02:57.204 - I'm not going to get into the specifics right now. And before I pass on the floor to the chief here, 00:02:57.204 --> 00:03:04.985 - we really, really took time to prepare the report that we passed on to you. So we came to you first 00:03:04.985 --> 00:03:12.999 - because you are the executive branch of the county. Our next step will be going to the board of judges 00:03:12.999 --> 00:03:16.734 - because we have to have their approval as well. 00:03:17.890 --> 00:03:26.602 - And then once we have that, we plan to go to the County Council because they're the ones that actually 00:03:26.602 --> 00:03:35.230 - truly have to fund this new operation that we have to do. So with that being said, we took quite some 00:03:35.230 --> 00:03:43.689 - time to put together what we presented to you. It didn't come easy. We put a lot of thought into it 00:03:43.689 --> 00:03:46.142 - and we are where we are now. 00:03:46.626 --> 00:03:54.361 - once we start this and again we have to it's going to be something that's new to us as well so we all 00:03:54.361 --> 00:04:01.944 - have to really truly just work together to accomplish this because again we definitely obligated to 00:04:01.944 --> 00:04:09.982 - provide a constitutional facility. With that I'll pass the floor to Chief Parker. Okay I'm a re-emphasize 00:04:09.982 --> 00:04:13.470 - some of the things that the sheriff just said 00:04:13.858 --> 00:04:25.947 - as we go through this document, but kind of setting the tone here. Almost since the day we took office, 00:04:25.947 --> 00:04:37.571 - we have been engaged in numerous conversations about a new facility. Some went places and we've got 00:04:37.571 --> 00:04:42.686 - some work done and some was wheel spinning. 00:04:42.882 --> 00:04:50.909 - It ran the gamut, but that's not the focal point of today. So I just want to make sure we set the tone 00:04:50.909 --> 00:04:58.781 - here for whoever's watching and whoever's listening, that this is about the current facility and the 00:04:58.781 --> 00:05:04.158 - current facility only. So that's what we're going to focus on today. 00:05:07.490 --> 00:05:13.852 - what we're really want to focus on here, and you have to excuse me, I'll be wearing my glasses and taking 00:05:13.852 --> 00:05:20.274 - them on and off because I'm old and I can't see. We're going to cover three broad areas here, essentially. 00:05:20.274 --> 00:05:26.695 - We're going to talk very much about functional capacity and what that truly means and how it truly relates 00:05:26.695 --> 00:05:32.817 - to the facility that we are currently in. We're going to spend some time on the physical condition of 00:05:32.817 --> 00:05:36.478 - that facility, and then we're going to talk about solutions. 00:05:37.186 --> 00:05:45.501 - If we accomplish those today, I hope that we all come to a better standing of why we are sitting here 00:05:45.501 --> 00:05:54.060 - in front of you at this very moment. So let's talk a little bit about functional capacity. And I'm going 00:05:54.060 --> 00:06:02.374 - to get a little more specific as we go. And just so you know, the sheriff talked about this document. 00:06:02.374 --> 00:06:07.102 - That document is a product of not just the last few days, 00:06:07.586 --> 00:06:25.197 - That is a product of three and a half years of assessment, reassessment, adjustment, discussions, panic 00:06:25.197 --> 00:06:36.542 - sometimes, all of those things. And I don't know if maybe I'm just 00:06:37.634 --> 00:06:49.415 - I'm not super sensitive to the this topic but as I've been watching meetings as of late. The topic of. 00:06:49.415 --> 00:06:59.710 - Transporting residents off site has been mentioned. Numerous times in numerous forums by. 00:07:01.666 --> 00:07:08.851 - It's not just on our mind. It seems that that has that has become kind of a natural thought process 00:07:08.851 --> 00:07:16.252 - for. People that are thinking about this this facility who are concerned about this facility that that 00:07:16.252 --> 00:07:23.653 - might be something that we have to come to. So I don't I don't think anything we're going to say today 00:07:23.653 --> 00:07:31.198 - is going to be like a real surprise like you know this came out of left field. It's it's been discussed. 00:07:33.826 --> 00:07:44.255 - Our current facility has a bed count of 294. And when you say that, and then you say in the same breath 00:07:44.255 --> 00:07:54.282 - that we've got 260 people in there, OK, you got 34 vacancies. What's the problem? So we're going to 00:07:54.282 --> 00:07:59.998 - break that down into why that is commonly misunderstood. 00:08:01.858 --> 00:08:10.719 - in any facility, not just ours, but you're going to have different parts of that facility that are designated 00:08:10.719 --> 00:08:18.855 - for specific reasons. In our facility, we have our trustee inmate worker housing. Well, when someone 00:08:18.855 --> 00:08:27.314 - comes in for whatever reason, we can't just say, well, we've got a bed in the inmate housing unit. We're 00:08:27.314 --> 00:08:31.422 - going to put them there. And we'll talk about more 00:08:31.714 --> 00:08:39.399 - for people that don't have a great deal of knowledge about how a facility works. But you have segregation 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:46.650 - cells. We have one padded cell, unfortunately. They have you holding cells where people come in and 00:08:46.650 --> 00:08:53.392 - you hold them temporarily. And then in our facility, we have J-Block. And one of the things, 00:08:53.392 --> 00:09:01.150 - if you recall, that when Kyle first became the jail commander there, he immediately recognized that we had 00:09:01.794 --> 00:09:10.989 - some of our most severely mentally ill folks spread throughout our population. So he created J Block. 00:09:10.989 --> 00:09:19.283 - And that's where we house those individuals that need special protections and special care, 00:09:19.283 --> 00:09:28.298 - special attention. So now you pull those out. And if you look at the combination of those beds that 00:09:28.298 --> 00:09:30.462 - are available in there, 00:09:31.298 --> 00:09:43.683 - That takes that 294 down to 233. That available general housing beds. So the functional capacity, let 00:09:43.683 --> 00:09:56.675 - me explain what that is. That's an accepted correctional planning principle that says you are functionally 00:09:56.675 --> 00:09:59.710 - full when you reach 80%. 00:10:01.666 --> 00:10:10.768 - of availability for those beds. So if we follow that logic to get to functional capacity here, I'll 00:10:10.768 --> 00:10:20.051 - just step in if I say anything that's incorrect, because he's forgot more about this than I know. Our 00:10:20.051 --> 00:10:29.790 - true functional capacity in that facility is 186. And while we are using that principle to determine that, 00:10:30.370 --> 00:10:38.935 - I think it's noteworthy to say that the sheriff is the person who's obviously responsible for 00:10:38.935 --> 00:10:48.503 - the constitutional care in there. So the sheriff is the person who actually is the only person qualified 00:10:48.503 --> 00:10:58.526 - to make that decision. So we can argue about that, I guess, in different forums and why and how and all that. 00:10:58.946 --> 00:11:09.796 - When the rubber hits the road, that's the sheriff's job, and that's the sheriff's call. But he doesn't 00:11:09.796 --> 00:11:21.278 - just do it from some arbitrary number that he decides. So that's kind of the concept of functional capacity. 00:11:21.278 --> 00:11:28.862 - So let's talk about some of these other parts. If every month under the 00:11:29.058 --> 00:11:37.664 - private settlement agreement, which is now expired, obviously, and we know the consequences of that 00:11:37.664 --> 00:11:46.443 - are coming hard and fast. But if you we sent a general population report that gave Mr. Falk the daily 00:11:46.443 --> 00:11:55.135 - population of that facility every day, and then gave him an average of that. And we sent that report 00:11:55.135 --> 00:11:56.254 - every month. 00:11:58.434 --> 00:12:09.114 - Not to get a real specific here, but I think it's noteworthy to say that since January of this year, 00:12:09.114 --> 00:12:19.688 - our average populations have been 238, 237, 231, 244, 251, and in June of 2026, that is now at 260. 00:12:19.688 --> 00:12:26.878 - So as you can see, we were relatively stable January through March, 00:12:27.234 --> 00:12:37.731 - But we've had the uptick. We've reached 272 and 275 on different days in both May and June. So let's 00:12:37.731 --> 00:12:48.228 - go back to functional capacity for just a minute here. So the average of our population for that six 00:12:48.228 --> 00:12:56.958 - month period is at 244. So if you just look at our average for the last six months, 00:12:58.914 --> 00:13:10.894 - we have exceeded our functional capacity numerous, numerous times. And in May and June on those given 00:13:10.894 --> 00:13:22.757 - days, we were 86 to 89 individuals above our functional capacity. So that's not sustainable. And not 00:13:22.757 --> 00:13:26.046 - only is it not sustainable, 00:13:28.706 --> 00:13:38.112 - We have a duty to address that, and that's why we're here. Now, keep in mind, when the jail was built 00:13:38.112 --> 00:13:47.886 - back in 1984, approximately, the bet count was 128. And we're definitely by far past that. So when people 00:13:47.886 --> 00:13:58.398 - say, well, just remodel the jail and you can make it work, I don't think they fully understand the scope of this. 00:13:58.754 --> 00:14:08.420 - the age of that facility. And when it was built, it was built for a certain number of people to be there. 00:14:08.420 --> 00:14:17.813 - Now think about this, the plumbing, medical care, mental health. We bypassed that tremendously and did 00:14:17.813 --> 00:14:27.024 - the best that we could at this point. So when the chief talks about functional capacity, we are at a 00:14:27.024 --> 00:14:28.574 - match right now. 00:14:31.938 --> 00:14:40.133 - So before we move on to some of the things that the sheriff just actually mentioned, I do want to address 00:14:40.133 --> 00:14:48.018 - the private settlement agreement in one aspect. And in the private settlement, if you remember, there 00:14:48.018 --> 00:14:55.749 - was a secure bed count amount, and that was 248. And when we got to 244, we were supposed to notify 00:14:55.749 --> 00:15:01.470 - the judges, and they were supposed to help us take action to reduce that. 00:15:01.826 --> 00:15:10.952 - And I will have to say, they stepped up to the plate, and they helped us do that like a champ every 00:15:10.952 --> 00:15:20.443 - time we asked. But I want to address that number, because what that number is, it is simply our general 00:15:20.443 --> 00:15:29.570 - population beds minus our specialty beds, the things that we kind of just spoke about. It never was 00:15:29.570 --> 00:15:31.486 - functional capacity. 00:15:32.130 --> 00:15:40.567 - So when we get the question of, well, you were 248, and that was your number, and everything was fine, 00:15:40.567 --> 00:15:48.921 - that private settlement agreement never addressed functional capacity. It only addressed secure beds. 00:15:48.921 --> 00:15:57.358 - So we'll probably wind up explaining that more here in the near future. I'm surmising, but that's what 00:15:57.358 --> 00:16:00.798 - that number represents. So as the sheriff 00:16:01.346 --> 00:16:14.579 - I said, our jail started in 1984 and was designed for 128 inmates. So I haven't substantiated this, 00:16:14.579 --> 00:16:27.943 - but I believe we are either the oldest jail or one of the oldest jails in this state. And why that's 00:16:27.943 --> 00:16:30.590 - significant is that 00:16:33.378 --> 00:16:40.303 - If you look around the state, and let's just say for purpose of this conversation, we're the oldest 00:16:40.303 --> 00:16:47.297 - facility in the jail. Other counties didn't build a jail just because they wanted a pretty building. 00:16:47.297 --> 00:16:54.291 - They built a jail because they realized that when a jail gets a certain age, its functional life has 00:16:54.291 --> 00:17:01.216 - come to an end. They are no longer able to provide constitutional care or if they continue to house 00:17:01.216 --> 00:17:02.462 - in that facility. 00:17:05.506 --> 00:17:17.464 - So what we're talking about here is not a novel concept in the fact that our facility is aging and it's 00:17:17.464 --> 00:17:28.963 - deteriorating. It's very common. There are 92 counties in this state, and I think 91 of them have a 00:17:28.963 --> 00:17:34.942 - jail. So I want to talk about why now a little bit. 00:17:35.074 --> 00:17:48.437 - What this is, if you slice it down to its truest reason why this event has landed in front of you today, 00:17:48.437 --> 00:18:01.163 - is it's not a singular thing. It's a convergence of some things. And right now, that convergence is 00:18:01.163 --> 00:18:03.454 - an aging facility 00:18:03.586 --> 00:18:14.763 - that is continued to deteriorate and the increasing trend in our population. And when those two things 00:18:14.763 --> 00:18:25.832 - converge, which we are at right now, that's when the breaking point occurs. And I know Dave's sitting 00:18:25.832 --> 00:18:32.126 - back there. And I can tell you this, just from what I see 00:18:32.674 --> 00:18:41.901 - Kyle and his crew go through every day. And I see Dave a lot more than I like to. The dynamic of that 00:18:41.901 --> 00:18:51.038 - has changed in just the three and a half years that we've been here. It's constant that, and I'm not 00:18:51.038 --> 00:19:00.264 - just talking about a water leak or a toilet malfunctioning, I'm talking about major issues that occur 00:19:00.264 --> 00:19:02.526 - in this jail on a weekly 00:19:03.010 --> 00:19:11.917 - that we're doing on a daily basis if not daily. Now for the past couple days and last week it was very 00:19:11.917 --> 00:19:20.564 - very hot. And when I when I. Here the commander and Dave trying to cool the blocks down in the can. 00:19:20.564 --> 00:19:29.557 - Because when it was built for. It wasn't built for the number of people we have there now you have body 00:19:29.557 --> 00:19:32.670 - heat. And what happens to us in our 00:19:33.634 --> 00:19:42.835 - a larger population than usual, things happen. So when we talked about this years ago, and we find ourselves 00:19:42.835 --> 00:19:51.698 - in this situation, and I know for a fact I have the responsibility to provide safety, and it's something 00:19:51.698 --> 00:20:00.476 - that I cannot control is very troublesome to me. It's a basic need to keep people warm and or when it's 00:20:00.476 --> 00:20:03.262 - hot to provide cool environment. 00:20:05.634 --> 00:20:12.565 - And it's sad to me to sit here in front of you and say, we're struggling with that. Something as simple 00:20:12.565 --> 00:20:19.430 - as that, that other people in their homes take that for granted. But in that facility, when I tell you 00:20:19.430 --> 00:20:26.161 - that the jail commander is trying to think outside the box and try to cool people down, for example, 00:20:26.161 --> 00:20:33.092 - this is the first time that I see putting a bucket of ice in a block so the people there could go ahead 00:20:33.092 --> 00:20:34.558 - and drink cold water. 00:20:35.554 --> 00:20:44.951 - Think about that. The urgency that I'm facing right now that we all are facing is very real. It's affecting 00:20:44.951 --> 00:20:54.087 - people's lives. It truly is. My main concern now that I never thought I would have to bring up is having 00:20:54.087 --> 00:21:03.136 - a heat stroke in the facility. That's real. So it's very aggravating to me that I have a situation that 00:21:03.136 --> 00:21:04.702 - I cannot control. 00:21:05.442 --> 00:21:13.516 - because of the age of the jail. So if you I mean if you've got your report in front of you and you go 00:21:13.516 --> 00:21:21.670 - to page four and that's when it starts talking about the physical plan and I'm not going to go through 00:21:21.670 --> 00:21:29.665 - all that but the sheriff hit on this a little bit but I want to expound on a little bit more when we 00:21:29.665 --> 00:21:34.494 - talk about infrastructure failures and. We could ask Dave to 00:21:34.818 --> 00:21:41.573 - tell you several things that happened here, but. You know, I think we're all pretty aware. Of of some 00:21:41.573 --> 00:21:48.460 - of the things that have happened there over the course of the time that we've been there, but I'm going 00:21:48.460 --> 00:21:55.678 - to go back to this weekend where we had this what they call heat dome or whatever. And the sheriff mentioned 00:21:55.678 --> 00:22:02.367 - this, but and I think you may have even received a copy of this, but. Mender given sent an email out 00:22:02.367 --> 00:22:03.294 - to his staff. 00:22:04.226 --> 00:22:14.623 - and gave them very specific kind of out of the box instructions about, OK, we've got an event here that 00:22:14.623 --> 00:22:25.020 - we don't have the ability in this facility to now control. And it was instructions on things to do that 00:22:25.020 --> 00:22:33.918 - we could do with the facility itself, not the cooling system and the way we manage that. 00:22:34.306 --> 00:22:45.428 - to help cool off or help these people maintain a reasonable body temperature. In one of those emails, 00:22:45.428 --> 00:22:56.331 - he outlined the symptoms of heat exhaustion and heat stroke. Then, hey, keep a close eye on anybody 00:22:56.331 --> 00:23:02.110 - to make sure if you see these symptoms present, then 00:23:03.010 --> 00:23:09.774 - we want to be aware and take immediate action, because as the sheriff said, someone experiencing that 00:23:09.774 --> 00:23:16.472 - can deteriorate very rapidly. Kyle, you want to talk a little bit about just that event? And this is 00:23:16.472 --> 00:23:23.700 - not just about this weekend. It's a snapshot in time of what we deal with in that facility pretty regularly, 00:23:23.700 --> 00:23:30.464 - actually. Yeah, I can speak to that. One of the things that we did almost immediately was open up the 00:23:30.464 --> 00:23:32.254 - block as much as possible. 00:23:32.674 --> 00:23:39.034 - When I say the block, I mean the cells inside of it. So there is a time where inmates, we locked down 00:23:39.034 --> 00:23:45.582 - the facility midnight and we allow inmates to have proper sleep. We can't even lock inmates inside their 00:23:45.582 --> 00:23:52.004 - cell because it's 85, 90 degrees inside those cells. It's 75 to 84 degrees inside the block, depending 00:23:52.004 --> 00:23:58.302 - on the day. And, and Dave, and Chief Deputy Ambassador Dave, we have been in constant communication. 00:23:58.818 --> 00:24:04.887 - We have improved airflow. We have all the things that we can do, we are doing, but we cannot get to 00:24:04.887 --> 00:24:11.381 - those individuals inside the cell. It's just not possible. So what do we have to do? We have to compromise 00:24:11.381 --> 00:24:17.511 - the safety of the facility. We have to leave doors open. We have to leave massive fans inside of the 00:24:17.511 --> 00:24:23.581 - block. These are not safe decisions to make, but they are things that we had to do just in the care 00:24:23.581 --> 00:24:26.494 - of the individuals that we are tasked to house. 00:24:26.786 --> 00:24:33.454 - So it's not just putting ice in there. It's not just putting a fan in there. It's constant checking. 00:24:33.454 --> 00:24:40.321 - It's literally hour by hour checking on every person we have in the facility. And this is not just a... 00:24:40.321 --> 00:24:47.187 - We could talk about heat or we could talk about the multiple cells that have their block wall literally 00:24:47.187 --> 00:24:53.988 - crumbling that Dave's gonna have to get steel reinforcement for. When they say the facility's failing, 00:24:53.988 --> 00:24:54.846 - it's failed. 00:24:55.074 --> 00:25:05.111 - And we're holding it up. And when I say we're, I mean ASI, Dave and his people, and our staff trying 00:25:05.111 --> 00:25:15.447 - to make it happen daily. So going back to just a little bit more information on this, as you see there, 00:25:15.447 --> 00:25:21.310 - we've had REQAW come in there and do a study of that jail. 00:25:21.634 --> 00:25:32.049 - I think that was like an 186 page document. I know it was great when I couldn't go to sleep, 00:25:32.049 --> 00:25:43.359 - I read it. All documented in studies that this county has asked to be and they have told us over and 00:25:43.359 --> 00:25:50.974 - over and over about these issues. And then though I think the worst 00:25:51.650 --> 00:25:58.991 - There's things worse than being told, hey, your AC system is completely inadequate. That's a bad thing 00:25:58.991 --> 00:26:06.119 - to be told. The worst thing to be told is your AC system is completely adequate, and there's no way 00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:13.246 - to fix it. That's the worst thing. And that's what we ran into this weekend. There was nothing more 00:26:13.246 --> 00:26:21.086 - that could be wrung out of that system to cure this problem. So what do we have? I can tell you what we have. 00:26:24.290 --> 00:26:36.425 - staff right now and and Kyle can how can attest to this they're being inundated with grievances from 00:26:36.425 --> 00:26:48.799 - the facility about the facility and rightfully so but there's a thing that we call in our line of work 00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:54.206 - it's called a clue and what the clue here is 00:26:54.562 --> 00:27:05.417 - is those grievances are protest the condition of that facility, but they serve another purpose. And 00:27:05.417 --> 00:27:16.380 - that purpose is to satisfy the administrative remedies of going through the grievance process to get 00:27:16.380 --> 00:27:23.870 - to litigation. Mr. Madera knows exactly what I'm talking about here. 00:27:24.226 --> 00:27:32.199 - So the clue here is, for us, is we're not just living on borrowed time. This litigation is coming our 00:27:32.199 --> 00:27:40.720 - way. And hence, that also weighs into what we're here to talk to you about. We are in an imminent situation. 00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:48.615 - I believe that. I know the chair believes that. I know Kyle believes that we wouldn't be here. Can I 00:27:48.615 --> 00:27:51.742 - add to that? And we're all very well of 00:27:51.874 --> 00:27:58.861 - the mold issues we've been experiencing. But when you have bodies stacked on top of bodies and the heat 00:27:58.861 --> 00:28:05.714 - is trapped and the moisture is up, one problem begets another. So it's so hot in there, that now it's 00:28:05.714 --> 00:28:12.566 - becoming moist in there. And it's sitting there and that's gonna require us to move people, just like 00:28:12.566 --> 00:28:19.486 - we've already experienced, which is an incredibly unsafe endeavor. Okay, getting back to another heart 00:28:19.486 --> 00:28:20.830 - of the matter here, 00:28:23.170 --> 00:28:35.780 - When does overcrowding occur? I'm going to go back to this 294. Overcrowding occurs not so much when 00:28:35.780 --> 00:28:48.515 - your bed count reaches 294. We go back to this functional capacity, right? So when you're overcrowded 00:28:48.515 --> 00:28:52.510 - on a functional capacity basis, 00:28:54.178 --> 00:29:04.141 - The first thing that goes by the wayside is your ability to classify. And this is a downward spiral. 00:29:04.141 --> 00:29:14.301 - So you're over functional capacity. You lose your ability to properly classify. And when you lose your 00:29:14.301 --> 00:29:23.870 - ability to properly classify, you start marching towards this unconstitutional care problem that 00:29:24.578 --> 00:29:36.402 - we are eminently facing here. And I can tell you right now, one of the most nightmarish scenarios in 00:29:36.402 --> 00:29:48.343 - our facility right now is the ability to properly classify. And if anybody. And for that. My door, my 00:29:48.343 --> 00:29:54.430 - office door is open. It really is. And if they have 00:29:54.594 --> 00:30:02.935 - an argument that the inability to properly classify does not march towards unconstitutional care, I'd 00:30:02.935 --> 00:30:11.767 - be happy to hear that too. Because they are linked, they will, if it will ever be linked. And of everything 00:30:11.767 --> 00:30:20.599 - that we're here to talk to you about, that is the crux of the matter. It truly is the inability to classify 00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:21.662 - and take out 00:30:22.082 --> 00:30:34.259 - the facility failures, all of that. They lend to it, don't get me wrong, but that's the heart of the 00:30:34.259 --> 00:30:46.558 - matter. And we speak a little bit about that on page nine in section D there. So I think we've gotten 00:30:46.558 --> 00:30:51.742 - to the point where we've kind of expressed 00:30:52.674 --> 00:31:00.931 - what the problem statement is here and what the urgency of that problem statement is. So going back 00:31:00.931 --> 00:31:09.352 - to what we're gonna talk about here is we've talked about functional capacity, we've talked about the 00:31:09.352 --> 00:31:17.857 - physical condition, now we're gonna talk a little bit about the solution. And none of these issues are 00:31:17.857 --> 00:31:22.398 - easily solved. They take a tremendous amount of effort 00:31:23.586 --> 00:31:37.298 - They take a tremendous amount of thought, care, compassion, financial resources, but most of all, I 00:31:37.298 --> 00:31:51.697 - would like to stress that the thing it takes most is all of the people responsible for county government 00:31:51.697 --> 00:31:53.342 - recognizing 00:31:55.746 --> 00:32:04.213 - Pulling together and understanding this is not about this officer, that officer, what this office wants 00:32:04.213 --> 00:32:12.354 - and this office wants. It's about the people who are living and working in that facility. And if we 00:32:12.354 --> 00:32:20.495 - can't do that, we have got to be the most dysfunctional family on planet Earth. I know I worked out 00:32:20.495 --> 00:32:24.158 - in that heat a little bit over that weekend. 00:32:25.186 --> 00:32:34.662 - And then we lost power at my house for eight hours, right in the middle of that. It was beyond miserable. 00:32:34.662 --> 00:32:44.407 - I mean beyond miserable. So, I lost it for eight hours and we were calling the power company and complained. 00:32:44.407 --> 00:32:52.542 - The individuals that were working in there and living in there didn't get to call anybody. 00:32:53.762 --> 00:33:00.969 - I went down to my son's house. They ain't got to go to their son's house. They stayed right there, and 00:33:00.969 --> 00:33:07.966 - Kyle did everything he possibly could, but it wasn't enough. So that is our responsibility. That is 00:33:07.966 --> 00:33:15.033 - our charge, and it's not just the sheriff's charge. It's the commissioner's charge. It's everybody's 00:33:15.033 --> 00:33:22.590 - charge. But right now, it's these two bodies that have to start it. So that's, again, a little soapbox-ish, 00:33:23.778 --> 00:33:32.148 - So let's talk about transport operations. I have, I think I'm the only one sitting at this table that 00:33:32.148 --> 00:33:40.355 - has some experience in this, the other facilities that I've worked in. So first of all, let me make 00:33:40.355 --> 00:33:48.561 - something really, really, really clear. This is not just about court transports. That's part of it, 00:33:48.561 --> 00:33:52.254 - but it is not even close to being all of it. 00:33:53.410 --> 00:34:00.584 - So as you'll see there, we and I'm not going to go through all these, but it's it, you know, it's. I, 00:34:00.584 --> 00:34:07.757 - you know, let's say we've got someone in Green County and it's time for an attorney conference. Guess 00:34:07.757 --> 00:34:15.001 - what we gotta do. We gotta go get him. We're gonna bring him over here and talk to his attorney. We're 00:34:15.001 --> 00:34:22.526 - gonna take it back. So. You know, we have lots and lots of medical transports in our facility. We all know 00:34:22.818 --> 00:34:30.104 - about the issues of our population. And those are real in there every day. And they never stop. They 00:34:30.104 --> 00:34:37.895 - don't stop because 4 o'clock comes, I can tell you that. So when we're talking about a transport operation, 00:34:37.895 --> 00:34:45.181 - make sure we understand that it's not just courts Monday through Friday, 8 to 4. We're going to talk 00:34:45.181 --> 00:34:50.014 - to you about a 24-7 operation that must go on not in one facility, 00:34:50.242 --> 00:34:58.336 - but possibly up to four different facilities. And I think that has to be noteworthy, because I can hear 00:34:58.336 --> 00:35:06.197 - the voices now. Well, you're doing medical transports now. You're doing all of these things now. But 00:35:06.197 --> 00:35:14.368 - we're doing an amount of one facility. And I think there's a real strong possibility that we'll be using 00:35:14.368 --> 00:35:19.038 - at least two, if not three, if this plan comes to fruition. 00:35:21.730 --> 00:35:28.343 - as again you know there there are so many different things medical appointments hospital admissions 00:35:28.343 --> 00:35:35.089 - mental health evaluations all of those things will continue none of that will stop and what the chief 00:35:35.089 --> 00:35:41.702 - is talking about is the known what i worry about and constantly is the unknown if something happens 00:35:41.702 --> 00:35:48.448 - in another facility that is not here and it's an individual that we supposed to be housing well guess 00:35:48.448 --> 00:35:50.366 - what we're still responsible 00:35:51.074 --> 00:35:58.760 - And we still have to go over there and deal with the situation as well. Or what if that sheriff says, 00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:06.597 - you know what, I don't want your people anymore. Now what? So things that we are considering and talked 00:36:06.597 --> 00:36:14.208 - about for quite some time, which could happen once we go this route, which in my opinion, we have no 00:36:14.208 --> 00:36:18.654 - other choice at this point. So relisting certain things to 00:36:19.042 --> 00:36:25.115 - make the point that don't think it's just for corporate transportation only, but there's other things 00:36:25.115 --> 00:36:31.129 - that we might not even be aware of this at the present time that we haven't discussed as of yet. I'm 00:36:31.129 --> 00:36:37.381 - going to give you a perfect example of what the sheriff just talked about. And I don't know this because 00:36:37.381 --> 00:36:43.514 - I lived it. I'm not going to get real into, okay, we're asking for this, this, this. I'm going to, I'm 00:36:43.514 --> 00:36:45.598 - going to tell you what it entails. 00:36:45.890 --> 00:36:52.879 - And then somebody later down the line is going to have to figure out whether we're going to fund it 00:36:52.879 --> 00:36:59.868 - or not. And we're going to have to justify these numbers and these personnel requests at some point 00:36:59.868 --> 00:37:07.137 - in time. And we know that. And we're prepared to do that. And we're happy to do that. But a large scale 00:37:07.137 --> 00:37:14.196 - transport operation, I can't even begin to tell you how chaotic it gets. And I want you to just walk 00:37:14.196 --> 00:37:15.454 - you through this. 00:37:17.154 --> 00:37:29.410 - So I'm going to use courts just for purposes of this conversation. So we receive from the courts, hey, 00:37:29.410 --> 00:37:42.023 - we need these people in court on this date at this time. So those individuals more than likely are spread 00:37:42.023 --> 00:37:45.950 - out through the entire facility. 00:37:47.138 --> 00:37:56.133 - Let's imagine that we have 30 people going to court. And 10 of those are right here in this facility. 00:37:56.133 --> 00:38:05.304 - What has to happen is there has to be a group of people that go up and rustle them up and get them down 00:38:05.304 --> 00:38:14.387 - and get them prepared to go to court, get them searched, get them handcuffed, all of those things that 00:38:14.387 --> 00:38:15.710 - has to happen. 00:38:15.906 --> 00:38:27.322 - Now, adding to this, we're going to have to have a list of, oh, Bill's in Greene County, Joe's, he's 00:38:27.322 --> 00:38:38.850 - in Morgan County, and now we've got three other locations. So organizing that and making sure that we 00:38:38.850 --> 00:38:45.406 - are prepared to go transport those individuals back takes 00:38:46.658 --> 00:38:55.122 - an immense amount of planning and execution. And it can't be done without individuals that are handling 00:38:55.122 --> 00:39:03.749 - the planning part, handling the liaison part, because guess what, you just can't show up at Greene County 00:39:03.749 --> 00:39:12.050 - and say, hey, we're here to get bill. You got to call Greene County and say, we're coming to get bill 00:39:12.050 --> 00:39:14.654 - and we need we need bill ready. 00:39:15.106 --> 00:39:24.163 - And we're gonna be there at 730. And those are all things that are gonna have to work out in something 00:39:24.163 --> 00:39:33.221 - we're talking about here a little bit later. So I don't know if I'm laying the groundwork. But I think 00:39:33.221 --> 00:39:42.366 - you're kind of getting the drift that the planning of this, there can't be misses. And you have to know 00:39:44.994 --> 00:39:50.410 - where that bus is going, you're gonna have to know who's driving it, you're gonna have to know who's 00:39:50.410 --> 00:39:55.773 - gonna be on it going down, you're gonna have to know who's gonna be coming back, because you've got 00:39:55.773 --> 00:40:01.297 - a plan for if you have some type of emergency, if you have an escape attempt, all of those things have 00:40:01.297 --> 00:40:06.659 - to be thought of before that person puts that vehicle in drive and heads to wherever they're going. 00:40:06.659 --> 00:40:12.183 - There's another layer to that, that now we have to think about, and the commander probably are telling 00:40:12.183 --> 00:40:13.470 - this better than I can, 00:40:14.178 --> 00:40:22.332 - the concern of safety now. That's a big issue for us. Because now we try transporting the person from 00:40:22.332 --> 00:40:30.727 - point A to point B, point B to point A, and we have to worry about safety. So when we talked about this, 00:40:30.727 --> 00:40:38.961 - we were looking at it from lenses that other people don't have because they're not in this profession. 00:40:38.961 --> 00:40:43.038 - We are, we have to see it from this point of view. 00:40:45.922 --> 00:40:53.779 - So now there's something else I won't have to worry about. Which I tell you this, I don't take lightly 00:40:53.779 --> 00:41:01.636 - because I don't want an officer, correction officer, and for the sake of the person who's transporting 00:41:01.636 --> 00:41:09.569 - getting hurt. I don't want that. So here we are. So when we talk about transportation, it's not an easy 00:41:09.569 --> 00:41:10.942 - task, not at all. 00:41:15.618 --> 00:41:23.264 - Getting back to the staffing, I think if any person's probably going to look at, all right, we're going 00:41:23.264 --> 00:41:30.689 - to need someone to oversee this. And so let's talk about the operations captain. So we have captains 00:41:30.689 --> 00:41:38.262 - that run shifts in the jail. And how many people do they have under their supervision at any one given 00:41:38.262 --> 00:41:45.246 - time? 20 to 15, just a pound shift. So here we go. We're looking at a transport division here. 00:41:47.010 --> 00:41:54.855 - I don't think anybody that is involved in any type of business or police agency or any type of organization, 00:41:54.855 --> 00:42:02.195 - everybody understands that you've got to have a point man that makes it all happen. So that's kind of 00:42:02.195 --> 00:42:09.464 - what this person is. So the reason I ask Kyle that question is because not only is this person going 00:42:09.464 --> 00:42:14.430 - to have about the same amount of people roughly that they supervise, 00:42:15.330 --> 00:42:24.108 - They're going to be supervising them in a much, much larger, unsecured, unpredictable environment that 00:42:24.108 --> 00:42:32.887 - has multi-facets of points of failure that they're going to have to predict and plan for and make sure 00:42:32.887 --> 00:42:42.006 - that the people that they are sending out every day are on point with what they're doing and where they're 00:42:42.006 --> 00:42:43.966 - going and all of those 00:42:44.066 --> 00:42:51.999 - all of the things in between that one. Turns into a huge, huge issue. So unless you all have questions 00:42:51.999 --> 00:42:59.856 - as we get done with our presentation, I'm not going to spend a lot of time on that because it kind of 00:42:59.856 --> 00:43:07.558 - makes sense that you've got to have supervisors and you've got to have officers to do it. I want to 00:43:07.558 --> 00:43:11.486 - spend a little bit more time on the two additional 00:43:11.650 --> 00:43:19.607 - jail officers and the jail sergeant. And I'm going to switch from court transports now to functional 00:43:19.607 --> 00:43:27.800 - capacity transports. So if you're transporting 20 people out on a functional capacity transport, you've 00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:36.150 - got your staff working in the jail. And I will tell you right now, I go into that jail pretty frequently. 00:43:36.150 --> 00:43:40.798 - And I see those those corrections officers scurrying about 00:43:42.210 --> 00:43:49.503 - you know, doing jail checks, responding to the services, making sure meals get passed, all of the things 00:43:49.503 --> 00:43:56.448 - that I'm not gonna list here. So now we throw in this layer, we got 20 people that have gotta go to 00:43:56.448 --> 00:44:03.463 - wherever. What cannot happen is we say, okay, you two, I want you to pull off the jail checks you're 00:44:03.463 --> 00:44:10.270 - doing because you gotta get these people ready for transport. We have to have people specifically 00:44:11.714 --> 00:44:18.663 - That's their detail for the day, where you're going to go get them ready. You're going to go bring them 00:44:18.663 --> 00:44:25.746 - down to the blocks. You're going to get those people ready for transports because your transport officers 00:44:25.746 --> 00:44:32.428 - are going to be down there once they arrive to handle the handoff and to check the list. Because if 00:44:32.428 --> 00:44:39.176 - you start stretching that, where you've got the same officer trying to manage all that, you're going 00:44:39.176 --> 00:44:40.446 - to make incredible 00:44:41.186 --> 00:44:51.499 - incredible expensive or detrimental mistakes so there's some things you can shortcut this is not one 00:44:51.499 --> 00:45:01.710 - of them the other thing i want to talk about is you'll see that there's clerical support and if you 00:45:01.710 --> 00:45:07.326 - go to section f i want this to make sense to everybody 00:45:08.194 --> 00:45:17.111 - Because it's okay. Well, what do you need clerical support? You've you've got people there, you know, 00:45:17.111 --> 00:45:26.028 - you've got what three people back there handling the clerical part of the facility. But I want you to 00:45:26.028 --> 00:45:35.208 - look at that laundry list and Section F that these individuals will be handling. And if that's not being 00:45:35.208 --> 00:45:37.918 - handled. The per diem billing. 00:45:38.082 --> 00:45:44.404 - If we got people housed in Morgan County, and we're not paying attention to that, they're going to give 00:45:44.404 --> 00:45:50.483 - us about a 10-day grace period and say, hey, we're not feeding these people or housing these people 00:45:50.483 --> 00:45:56.745 - free. You need to come get them. And we're going to sour a relationship that we desperately need right 00:45:56.745 --> 00:46:03.189 - now. I don't want to go through all of it. Medical records, when you send someone out, there's an Indiana 00:46:03.189 --> 00:46:05.438 - Administrative Code that talks about 00:46:05.762 --> 00:46:12.926 - when you ship sending someone to another facility. And does it make sense? If you're going to send someone 00:46:12.926 --> 00:46:19.889 - to another facility, it's kind of important that they know what are the issues with this person if they 00:46:19.889 --> 00:46:26.652 - have some. What medications are they on? All of those things, the things that you don't think about. 00:46:26.652 --> 00:46:33.950 - It's not as simple as handcuffing someone, turn up the radio, and taking a leisurely drive to Greene County. 00:46:34.754 --> 00:46:45.780 - All of these things are incredibly important things that, as we have put together this document, we're 00:46:45.780 --> 00:46:56.698 - trying to cover all the bases. And I'm fearful that we haven't, because it's an intimidating event to 00:46:56.698 --> 00:47:03.870 - plan for and know that you've got to do it every day without fail. 00:47:04.514 --> 00:47:12.041 - Because what are we used to? We're used to going to our facility and everybody's there and we deal with 00:47:12.041 --> 00:47:19.424 - it. And it's no longer gonna be that way. We're gonna be dealing with several outside facilities. The 00:47:19.424 --> 00:47:26.807 - thing for us that I'm thankful is that I have Chief Parker here because he experienced this before in 00:47:26.807 --> 00:47:34.334 - another facility that he worked before. For me, I'm not gonna speak for Kyle, for me this is brand new. 00:47:36.674 --> 00:47:46.542 - I'm leaning on the chief heavily here. I'll say. I'll say. Heavily here so we can make sure that we 00:47:46.542 --> 00:47:56.706 - cover all the bases. But as I'm learning, I'm seeing certain things from a different lens that I never 00:47:56.706 --> 00:48:03.614 - thought about before. And I'm happy that he has experience with this. 00:48:06.466 --> 00:48:12.761 - because the program that Kyle put together, the system that he put together, works really well in one 00:48:12.761 --> 00:48:18.994 - facility. I mean, I watched the correctional officers go out to the cell blocks and bring them in. I 00:48:18.994 --> 00:48:25.660 - watched them take them to the courtroom. I watched them bring them back, and it runs very well. My turnout, 00:48:25.660 --> 00:48:32.140 - okay, and I'm glad we have Chief Parker here that experienced before, and he could guide us to the rough 00:48:32.140 --> 00:48:35.102 - spots here, but it's still something brand new. 00:48:36.866 --> 00:48:47.428 - And the caveat for me is that we deal with people's lives here. That weighs on me. Because now, in the 00:48:47.428 --> 00:48:57.682 - situation that we find ourselves in, there is no other choice. There is none. So I hope that people 00:48:57.682 --> 00:49:05.886 - truly understand the gravity of this, that we didn't come to this very lightly. 00:49:06.594 --> 00:49:14.201 - But here we are. And again, and I'm not saying because he's here, it would have been a whole lot tougher 00:49:14.201 --> 00:49:21.518 - for us to do this if he wasn't, because he's been through this before. I have not. And let me add to 00:49:21.518 --> 00:49:29.270 - that, because we're talking a lot about outside housing and what it'll take to make it happen. Our current 00:49:29.270 --> 00:49:35.646 - transport needs are 24 hours a day as we sit today. We have two vehicles that are gone. 00:49:35.746 --> 00:49:42.551 - literally all day and through the night. We have dedicated officers that are already to those transport 00:49:42.551 --> 00:49:49.224 - divisions. We are an agent of the court. We transport people who aren't even inmates in our facility. 00:49:49.224 --> 00:49:56.029 - This is a nonstop operation and to add 50 or 60 people, depending on where we're at with our population 00:49:56.029 --> 00:50:02.637 - for transports, if this is gonna be, I look forward to the challenge. That is me being funny because 00:50:02.637 --> 00:50:03.422 - this is not 00:50:04.642 --> 00:50:12.113 - that's not going to be sustainable in and of itself. So before we move into the appendix about the cost 00:50:12.113 --> 00:50:19.727 - estimates, I did want to cover kind of the last part of this a little bit where it says actions necessary 00:50:19.727 --> 00:50:27.055 - to maintain constitutional operations. And if you think about it, it's all common sense here. So what 00:50:27.055 --> 00:50:34.238 - have we talked about? Maintaining our population at or below our functional capacity. That's on us. 00:50:36.610 --> 00:50:43.877 - We can't do it without the other bodies of government coming together. And that's our plea today. Part 00:50:43.877 --> 00:50:51.004 - of that is, like I said, initiating this housing and funding. And so all of those things, we need to 00:50:51.004 --> 00:50:58.130 - make sure that while we're going through this, we don't lose sight of we're sitting here telling you 00:50:58.130 --> 00:51:05.256 - how it's going to affect us. Well, there's another population that this is going to affect, and it's 00:51:05.256 --> 00:51:06.526 - those individuals 00:51:07.426 --> 00:51:16.082 - that are being transported. So it's going to be different for them too. So we have to keep that in mind 00:51:16.082 --> 00:51:24.571 - too. So we've got to make sure that we continue to watch very carefully. And we've even proposed, and 00:51:24.571 --> 00:51:33.060 - that's a completely different topic here, but to enhance our medical and mental health services. This 00:51:33.060 --> 00:51:35.390 - is going to be a tough role 00:51:36.578 --> 00:51:46.373 - for everybody involved that occupies that facility. Employee, resident, visitor, you name it. It's gonna 00:51:46.373 --> 00:51:55.889 - be a tough role. And it's unfortunate, but I think we're gonna be on this for a longer period of time 00:51:55.889 --> 00:52:05.311 - than any of us once suspected that we would or to have hoped that we would. And that's just the cold 00:52:05.311 --> 00:52:06.430 - hard facts. 00:52:06.850 --> 00:52:14.628 - But we can't ostrich management this. We can't just stick our heads in the sand pretending like it's 00:52:14.628 --> 00:52:22.483 - not happening. We got to deal with it. So this is the commissioners here that I always ask is that we 00:52:22.483 --> 00:52:30.261 - continue to stabilize our infrastructure to the extent that we can. Dave is a tremendous help to us. 00:52:30.261 --> 00:52:35.806 - I know that Dave does things that aren't always in his job description. 00:52:36.962 --> 00:52:46.248 - helps us when he can. But there's some things that he's got no control over. I talked to Dave on Friday. 00:52:46.248 --> 00:52:55.180 - I think it was July the third. And I'm sure he had other things planned besides trying to figure out 00:52:55.180 --> 00:53:04.111 - how to put a Band-Aid on the cooling system of the jail, but he did it. And he's spent a lot of time 00:53:04.111 --> 00:53:05.438 - doing it, too. 00:53:07.266 --> 00:53:16.062 - As we conclude this part of it, I want to make sure, I think it's important that we go back through 00:53:16.062 --> 00:53:24.859 - the process that the sheriff started with here. Because, you know, I've been around government long 00:53:24.859 --> 00:53:33.743 - enough to know that sometimes your intentions can be misinterpreted. And our intention here today is 00:53:33.743 --> 00:53:36.382 - nothing other than attempting 00:53:37.346 --> 00:53:44.241 - to get ourselves to where we have a long-range plan for the next few years to provide constitutional 00:53:44.241 --> 00:53:51.477 - care. There is nothing subversive about it. There's nothing political about it. And I'll challenge anyone 00:53:51.477 --> 00:53:58.304 - who says otherwise. So we came here because this is the first stop. This is the commissioner's ball 00:53:58.304 --> 00:54:05.199 - right now. We stop here. You're the county executive. Indiana code says that you shall establish and 00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:06.974 - maintain the county jail. 00:54:08.162 --> 00:54:16.343 - uh, code says the sheriff shall take care of the, the persons therein. So this is a, this is a relationship 00:54:16.343 --> 00:54:24.070 - that's closely tied. So that's why we're here today. Uh, Kyle has spoken with judge Decoff yesterday. 00:54:24.070 --> 00:54:31.721 - She is, she is not surprised. We don't want her surprised. She is an invaluable partner to us and we 00:54:31.721 --> 00:54:36.190 - will now move to dialogue with her and the board of judges 00:54:36.834 --> 00:54:47.054 - as the second phase of this now must take, it moves to the forefront now. Once the Board of Judges gives 00:54:47.054 --> 00:54:57.371 - us direction and guidance, we'll approach the council. This document is now a public document. And again, 00:54:57.371 --> 00:55:04.574 - we're taking this in steps. So I hope no one reads anything other into it 00:55:04.706 --> 00:55:12.902 - this is the way that we plotted out that we thought was the best way for us to move forward. So I'll 00:55:12.902 --> 00:55:21.341 - tell you this too. That you'll see right on the front of this cover. Sheriff is a very transparent guy. 00:55:21.341 --> 00:55:29.700 - He will tell you something whether you like to hear it or not. But this document will also be provided 00:55:29.700 --> 00:55:32.702 - to the ACLU. It's important to them. 00:55:33.154 --> 00:55:43.139 - for them to see what we're trying to do here. What are we trying to do secondary to this? We're trying 00:55:43.139 --> 00:55:52.833 - to show that this county is making an effort to resolve the issues that are of great concern to the 00:55:52.833 --> 00:55:59.134 - ACLU. So I think it's imperative that we all share this document 00:55:59.394 --> 00:56:06.138 - and share the same mission. We may have different interpretations of how we get there and we'll be working 00:56:06.138 --> 00:56:12.441 - through those over the coming weeks. I'm sure from I'm missing anything on this part of it. No, no, 00:56:12.441 --> 00:56:18.870 - it's it's we laid everything out that we could. Again, like the chief mentioned, we came to you first 00:56:18.870 --> 00:56:25.425 - because you are the executive body of this county. I intentionally mentioned the year of that facility. 00:56:25.425 --> 00:56:28.766 - I intentionally mentioned what is when it was built. 00:56:28.898 --> 00:56:39.900 - the big capacity was. And if you compare to where we're at now, it's not sustainable. It's just not. 00:56:39.900 --> 00:56:51.119 - And at this point, with new statutes being applied, we know what's coming towards us in a sense of the 00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:57.982 - numbers are going to go up. So times of urgency at this point, 00:56:58.914 --> 00:57:05.287 - When I took over, even back then, I was saying, hey, we got to move fast on this. We have to move fast. 00:57:05.287 --> 00:57:11.476 - And I remember saying that multiple times. And I know for a fact that some people got upset at times 00:57:11.476 --> 00:57:17.666 - when I kept saying that, but here we are. So we have no other choice but to work as a team here, and 00:57:17.666 --> 00:57:24.284 - all of us have a certain role to play to make this work. So I'd be more than happy to answer your question, 00:57:24.284 --> 00:57:27.838 - unless Kyle you have anything else you want to add? Yeah. 00:57:28.930 --> 00:57:34.537 - a lot of talk about what's going to happen, what property we're going to have, what services we're going 00:57:34.537 --> 00:57:39.985 - to provide, what the facility is going to look like, whether we're going to bring the courts with it. 00:57:39.985 --> 00:57:45.432 - At the end of the day, and this is what the sheriff was just saying, since the very beginning, people 00:57:45.432 --> 00:57:50.879 - have talked about what's going to happen, and a lot of people are talking about what's happening. And 00:57:50.879 --> 00:57:56.700 - we refuse to look past the needs of the people inside of that facility. We refuse. And we've done everything 00:57:56.700 --> 00:57:58.142 - we can, and we're here now 00:57:59.138 --> 00:58:06.092 - you know starting this project saying we've done everything we can now we need help. Entertain your 00:58:06.092 --> 00:58:13.047 - questions here just real quick on the appendix a the fiscal part of this. The first thing I want to 00:58:13.047 --> 00:58:20.418 - say is you will see disclaimers and explanation and the word estimate used all over this document because 00:58:20.418 --> 00:58:25.982 - it was put together by a bunch of dumb dumbs that don't know a whole lot about. 00:58:26.210 --> 00:58:34.617 - about dollars and cents and adding and stuff. So ciphering, as they say in Greene County. So all we 00:58:34.617 --> 00:58:43.193 - wanted to do with this document was give a baseline of what we're proposing and what we think will be 00:58:43.193 --> 00:58:51.937 - the fiscal impact of that. Because I don't think there's anything worse than someone coming in and say, 00:58:51.937 --> 00:58:53.534 - hey, we want this. 00:58:54.754 --> 00:59:06.569 - that's kind of up to you. So we put this together. We tried very hard. To look at all of the contingencies 00:59:06.569 --> 00:59:18.163 - that are in the plan. That required equipment. Personnel fuel maintenance all of those things- but again 00:59:18.163 --> 00:59:24.126 - their maintenance other their estimates. So I really. 00:59:24.386 --> 00:59:32.921 - fine-tooth comb, but if you go to the left. We just kind of we wanted to talk about the the cost to 00:59:32.921 --> 00:59:41.627 - get this thing off the ground because that's that's going to be where the rubber hits the road for us 00:59:41.627 --> 00:59:50.419 - is how fast we can do this. So if you'll notice there's a range of you know 14 to 17 employees there's 00:59:50.419 --> 00:59:52.894 - there's a range of different 00:59:53.186 --> 01:00:00.063 - things in there so you'll see those ranges described in there but on that on the seven year number seven 01:00:00.063 --> 01:00:06.875 - there and you'll see it in the footnotes but I just I wanted to. I wanted to touch base on it that that 01:00:06.875 --> 01:00:13.556 - covers you know staffing housing the fleet. The fleet equipment there's things that go in the vehicle 01:00:13.556 --> 01:00:20.368 - that are different than the things that go on the person that covers fuel and maintenance and personnel 01:00:20.368 --> 01:00:22.398 - equipment so it we we tried to 01:00:22.498 --> 01:00:28.861 - We try to think through and think through every contingency. But where you're gonna see those ranges, 01:00:28.861 --> 01:00:35.225 - you'll see there's a range of number of officers that we're proposing. Obviously where they're housed 01:00:35.225 --> 01:00:41.588 - is going to affect the fiscal impact of that because different facilities charge a different per diem 01:00:41.588 --> 01:00:48.013 - rate. And there's nothing we can do about that. That's up to them. And it's gonna depend on the number 01:00:48.013 --> 01:00:52.318 - of people that are housed. So there are unknowns in there right now. 01:00:52.450 --> 01:01:21.918 - that we just had to make estimates on. We're all ears. Okay, thank you. Yes, just to confirm, so we're 01:01:22.114 --> 01:01:27.726 - talking about classification suddenly because the settlement agreement was dismissed, and it wasn't 01:01:27.726 --> 01:01:33.618 - an issue before because that sort of non-technically gave us a pass. We did not have to constitutionally 01:01:33.618 --> 01:01:39.454 - classify while the Richardson settlement agreement was in place. Is that a correct understanding? Well, 01:01:39.454 --> 01:01:45.515 - and Kyle, you may want to address this more than me, but just for me, I will tell you this. Notwithstanding 01:01:45.515 --> 01:01:46.974 - the settlement agreement, 01:01:48.098 --> 01:01:55.804 - We're required by Indian administrative code to have a classification system. And since the day we walked 01:01:55.804 --> 01:02:03.146 - in the door, classifications because of that facility and the numbers of people in it and the way it 01:02:03.146 --> 01:02:10.924 - was designed originally has been an incredibly difficult issue with us. And Julie, I think you'll remember 01:02:10.924 --> 01:02:16.158 - we actually came in here and went through an exercise about classifying 01:02:16.450 --> 01:02:23.866 - and it got pretty chaotic just in this very room. So Kyle can probably speak to that better than me. 01:02:23.866 --> 01:02:31.354 - Here's how we could look at it. Based on the day, our housing is built on our needs. It's not always, 01:02:31.354 --> 01:02:38.770 - this is minimum, this is medium, this is maximum, this is administrative, secretary. Imagine in your 01:02:38.770 --> 01:02:44.350 - house where your living room is, well, tonight it's gonna be your bathroom. 01:02:44.962 --> 01:02:51.703 - and tomorrow your kitchen's gonna be in your bedroom. You're gonna make that work in your house and 01:02:51.703 --> 01:02:58.512 - we have to do that every day with 260 people. We're constantly moving people. They can never get set 01:02:58.512 --> 01:03:05.320 - up. Times change, kiosks times change, visits change. All this stuff is in constant change. And when 01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:12.331 - you don't have anything that you could work from a foundation, it's complete chaos. And I stood in this 01:03:12.331 --> 01:03:13.342 - room and said, 01:03:13.730 --> 01:03:20.225 - last year, you know, what's it going to take for something devastating to happen? And that's what we're 01:03:20.225 --> 01:03:26.596 - having. Let me let me say one thing to clarify that a little bit. Let's assume the private settlement 01:03:26.596 --> 01:03:32.842 - agreement was still in effect. We'd still be here. It. And I talked about the convey the congruence 01:03:32.842 --> 01:03:39.212 - of those those two things. The facility still aged, our population still went up, we'd still be here. 01:03:39.212 --> 01:03:41.086 - Does that help, Commissioner? 01:03:41.442 --> 01:03:47.801 - Absolutely. Thank you so much for that clarification. I think the other question I had is sort of like 01:03:47.801 --> 01:03:54.161 - a hodgepodge question of a variety of things that have been in the public discourse lately. And I just 01:03:54.161 --> 01:03:59.779 - wanted to establish for the public that when these transfers start, that does not make the 01:03:59.779 --> 01:04:06.138 - jail constitutional suddenly, that there are other things that go into making the jail constitutional, 01:04:06.138 --> 01:04:09.534 - that now suddenly the ACLU litigation doesn't go away, 01:04:09.730 --> 01:04:17.469 - This does not sunset the problems, for example. That the problems are structural, that this suddenly 01:04:17.469 --> 01:04:25.207 - does not mean that we're making the jail constitutional. So part of this, I guess, question A is, is 01:04:25.207 --> 01:04:33.099 - there anything like bail practices, for example, that we can do to avoid this suddenly, that we're not 01:04:33.099 --> 01:04:35.934 - doing now? That would be question A. 01:04:36.034 --> 01:04:44.819 - part A of this question. And then B would be, what does it mean other than classification to provide 01:04:44.819 --> 01:04:54.126 - constitutional care? Well, the first part of that question, I would, I'm guessing probably better answered 01:04:54.126 --> 01:05:03.085 - by the judges. Yes. And I can add to that. It's bail. Who can get bail and when they can get it, which 01:05:03.085 --> 01:05:05.694 - has led to increased housing. 01:05:06.018 --> 01:05:11.845 - It's going to become, it has become more strict as of July 1, who can get bail and when they can have 01:05:11.845 --> 01:05:17.843 - it. So there are things, the judge's hands are tied. I just talked to Judge Decoff about this yesterday. 01:05:17.843 --> 01:05:23.669 - They are doing everything they can to move people outside of that facility where they can, obviously, 01:05:23.669 --> 01:05:29.610 - where safety permits. And it's becoming increasingly difficult to get people to that, even to that bond 01:05:29.610 --> 01:05:32.638 - status where they can even have the chance to leave. 01:05:33.506 --> 01:05:39.675 - I think that's one of the things and I appreciate the question that the public truly does not understand 01:05:39.675 --> 01:05:45.786 - and no fault of theirs. We do this profession, we do this job, so no fault of theirs, but like the jail 01:05:45.786 --> 01:05:51.838 - commander stated, the judges are doing everything they can. And to be honest with you, if they weren't 01:05:51.838 --> 01:05:55.422 - doing what they were doing, we would be in worse shape here. 01:05:56.546 --> 01:06:03.024 - ask more of them this is impossible at this point it's just it is what it is and that's one of the reasons 01:06:03.024 --> 01:06:09.200 - why we're in front of you right now because they have done everything and and like the jail commander 01:06:09.200 --> 01:06:15.436 - mentioned with some of the law that came out the statute some of their hands are truly tied so they're 01:06:15.436 --> 01:06:21.490 - doing everything that they can yes to answer the second part of your question yes um i i'm going to 01:06:21.490 --> 01:06:26.334 - point back to to the letters that ken faulk issued to mineral county government 01:06:26.466 --> 01:06:38.264 - He outlined those things. Just a few of them are your HVAC systems, our air handling systems, lack of 01:06:38.264 --> 01:06:49.830 - isolation cells, padded cells. He gave us a laundry list of things that caused him great concern as 01:06:49.830 --> 01:06:52.606 - to why our facility was 01:06:54.978 --> 01:07:03.019 - why he was looking at our facility so hard. So I think the best answer comes from the ACLU. I know one 01:07:03.019 --> 01:07:10.904 - thing we took at the heart when we got it. But again, there's only so much the commissioners can do. 01:07:10.904 --> 01:07:19.179 - There's only so much the sheriff can do and there's only so much the council can do because that facility 01:07:19.179 --> 01:07:20.350 - is what it is. 01:07:25.026 --> 01:07:33.706 - picked up dramatically. And the timing was right after attorney Ken Falk came and paid a visit and talked 01:07:33.706 --> 01:07:41.895 - to some of the, and he's doing what needs to be done. But also I do know that if you're going to go 01:07:41.895 --> 01:07:50.494 - further than the grievance, you gotta go to the process of the grievance first, then you will go beyond. 01:07:53.602 --> 01:07:59.828 - I really do think this is an educational part for a lot of people that are not aware of this. And again, 01:07:59.828 --> 01:08:05.818 - no fault of theirs. But this is something that we do constantly. And I assure you, this is not going 01:08:05.818 --> 01:08:12.104 - away. Well, thank you very much for putting on a notice. I have no further questions. I think your report 01:08:12.104 --> 01:08:18.152 - was exemplary. I think it was very detailed, very thorough. And I thank you for just putting together 01:08:18.152 --> 01:08:20.702 - something so professional on short notice. 01:08:21.250 --> 01:08:29.819 - And although you said it's been in the works, you know, thank you so just very much. Can I address something 01:08:29.819 --> 01:08:37.760 - on that right now, just for the interest of transparency? We've been working on this report for some 01:08:37.760 --> 01:08:45.621 - time. Yes. But that last night and I believe that we emailed that to the commissioners somewhere in 01:08:45.621 --> 01:08:48.766 - the arena of seven o'clock. Yes. Right. 01:08:51.234 --> 01:09:00.032 - Fiscal note attached to this was emailed today around seven AM. So I only wanted to bring that forward 01:09:00.032 --> 01:09:08.744 - so that everybody knows that. We haven't been sitting on this and just sprung it on the commissioners 01:09:08.744 --> 01:09:17.285 - to come in here and do an update. We literally finished it last night and we literally sent it last 01:09:17.285 --> 01:09:20.958 - night, right? So. You know, there are some 01:09:21.090 --> 01:09:29.096 - There are some things that we hope the commissioners take out of this, and we hope that the commissioners 01:09:29.096 --> 01:09:37.253 - will give us some feedback to that. But I just I thought it was important to let everybody that's listening 01:09:37.253 --> 01:09:44.806 - know when this report went into final draft and when we dropped it in your lap and gave you a like, 01:09:44.806 --> 01:09:50.622 - I don't know, less than 12 hours to figure it all out or just over 12 hours. 01:09:51.138 --> 01:09:57.113 - I think my feedback would always be, you know, thank you for your transparency. Thank you for coming 01:09:57.113 --> 01:10:03.147 - forward and always feel free to bring forward whatever you need because it's our job as commissioners 01:10:03.147 --> 01:10:09.358 - to support you. Thank you. I do have a question and bear with me because I probably ask it wrong because 01:10:09.358 --> 01:10:15.274 - this is not my area of expertise, but is there a certain funding from your point of view that could 01:10:15.274 --> 01:10:20.894 - help us accomplish what we're trying to accomplish here? Is there funding out there somewhere? 01:10:21.762 --> 01:10:33.294 - There is the correctional lit. Obviously up to the council to make a determination about funding for 01:10:33.294 --> 01:10:44.825 - any of this. And so it's that money was supposed to be set aside for the justice center project. And 01:10:44.825 --> 01:10:49.278 - I think that's why this is so painful. 01:10:51.554 --> 01:11:00.050 - because we talked about today, at the end of our meeting, we went through all the sites that we visited 01:11:00.050 --> 01:11:08.220 - and all the things we learned and what worked and what didn't. And we also noted that there are two 01:11:08.220 --> 01:11:16.634 - requirements for this Justice Center project, building a new facility, and that is time and space. And 01:11:16.634 --> 01:11:19.902 - you talk about time in a different way. 01:11:20.290 --> 01:11:30.302 - Because for you, this is about how long we're going to have to do this. And I think what the community, 01:11:30.302 --> 01:11:40.315 - and I can see all of the logistics here are crazy. I just kind of imagined as I read through the report 01:11:40.315 --> 01:11:41.470 - last night, 01:11:42.562 --> 01:11:50.439 - I just kind of imagine of all the things logistically that could happen. You know, you're halfway back 01:11:50.439 --> 01:11:58.239 - from Facility A and they're causing trouble and the Facility A says, come back and get them. We don't 01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:06.040 - want them here. You know, the medical stuff, everything else, it's crazy. So this underlines the time 01:12:06.040 --> 01:12:09.022 - constraints that we're under for sure. 01:12:09.282 --> 01:12:18.514 - Um, I think the correctional lid is it that I can see, but that's going to be up to the council to make 01:12:18.514 --> 01:12:27.924 - that determination and figure out how we're going to pay for this. Um, and I'm certainly not questioning, 01:12:27.924 --> 01:12:36.446 - um, anything that you have here. I guess, I guess what back to commissioner Madeira's question. 01:12:37.026 --> 01:12:45.197 - you know, what's different now than when we had the private settlement agreement? And the answer is 01:12:45.197 --> 01:12:53.531 - nothing, right? That is correct. Okay. In terms of why we're here, nothing. Yeah, you'd be here other 01:12:53.531 --> 01:13:01.865 - way. I think that's going to be the question people will have. I get it. I get it because I have seen 01:13:01.865 --> 01:13:02.846 - the poorest 01:13:03.266 --> 01:13:13.186 - walls in the cells that are like marshmallows. I know what this jail looks like inside. So that brings 01:13:13.186 --> 01:13:22.913 - me to a question. I know you talked about the heat and all of that. And clearly we were worried last 01:13:22.913 --> 01:13:31.870 - week to say the least. I mean, I spent part of Friday looking at information on all of this. 01:13:32.354 --> 01:13:39.414 - and conversations with Ms. Purdy, and then I sent a note to the president of the county council, 01:13:39.414 --> 01:13:46.983 - and I said, it may be that we're gonna be moving inmates today, and I don't know what the cost is gonna 01:13:46.983 --> 01:13:54.480 - be, but I wanted to put her on alert. So here's the thing. Without talking about the heat, because the 01:13:54.480 --> 01:14:01.758 - heat is one thing, it's gonna be cold in six months, and we're gonna wish we were back in the heat. 01:14:02.178 --> 01:14:13.724 - My question is, what makes this an emergency? And maybe this is a question for Mr. Roddy to address 01:14:13.724 --> 01:14:25.385 - because we do have a resolution in front of us to consider. And it does use that word emergency. And 01:14:25.385 --> 01:14:29.310 - I think I just want clarity as to 01:14:29.986 --> 01:14:39.091 - Is it the functional capacity? Is it the condition of the jail? Is it the overcrowding? Is it all three? 01:14:39.091 --> 01:14:45.854 - And if it's all three, say that. I just need that clarity as we look at this. 01:15:03.266 --> 01:15:13.999 - Okay, so that was my second question actually is, does the court also have to recognize the same emergency 01:15:13.999 --> 01:15:24.331 - exists that we do? Okay. Got it. Right, right. That is why I was very specific when I talked about the 01:15:24.331 --> 01:15:32.958 - convergence. And to answer your question, quite frankly, it's all, it is the facility 01:15:33.570 --> 01:15:42.760 - the population, they have converged to the point now over the over the course of time that the that 01:15:42.760 --> 01:15:51.951 - all of those things have contributed to. We believe if we continue down this road, that we're we're 01:15:51.951 --> 01:16:00.222 - we're facing not being able to provide constitutional care. I jumped in there real quick. 01:16:00.418 --> 01:16:07.735 - And it's the age of the facility. It's not delayed maintenance. It's not a wear and tear of additional 01:16:07.735 --> 01:16:15.265 - bodies on the facilities. It's structural. The thing about this, because I hear some people say sometimes 01:16:15.265 --> 01:16:22.511 - you've got to keep maintenance up. Right. That facility has been opened. Yes. And what was it in 1983 01:16:22.511 --> 01:16:29.118 - when it was informed, sorry, people started being housed there. It hasn't closed since then. 01:16:29.250 --> 01:16:36.416 - constant 24-7. Exactly. Over the years, that place opened up. When you have your own home, you have 01:16:36.416 --> 01:16:43.582 - to make repairs, right? Or at a school, you have to make repairs. But you know what? It's not 24-7. 01:16:43.582 --> 01:16:50.820 - The school shuts down for a period of time. We do not. We don't have the luxury of shutting down for 01:16:50.820 --> 01:16:58.846 - holidays. Right. Or, you know, go on vacation. That building stays open 24-7. The wear and tear in the plumbing 01:16:58.946 --> 01:17:06.008 - for example. People say, well, replace it. Well, it's not that easy. Or just go ahead and rebuild the 01:17:06.008 --> 01:17:13.069 - whole place. Well, what do you put all the people in there? And for how long do you do that? So to be 01:17:13.069 --> 01:17:20.339 - fiscally sound and fiscally responsible, this is where we're at right now. Because if someone got forbid 01:17:20.339 --> 01:17:27.262 - in that place right now, something negative happens. Well, we're liable. The county will be liable. 01:17:27.778 --> 01:17:34.586 - Because we all know what needs to be done, and yet it has not happened as of yet. So when we're sitting 01:17:34.586 --> 01:17:41.328 - in front of you and we've been more than happy to answer any other questions you might have, we didn't 01:17:41.328 --> 01:17:48.201 - come to this conclusion, again, very lightly. And just because we're moving people doesn't mean it fixed 01:17:48.201 --> 01:17:53.438 - the problems of that facility. It still remains the same. That doesn't go away. 01:17:53.858 --> 01:17:58.935 - No one ever points to anything that was delayed. And so I just wanted to get that out there and establish 01:17:58.935 --> 01:18:03.725 - that is not the problem that is structural. It's the age of the facility. It's the continual use of 01:18:03.725 --> 01:18:08.706 - the facility. Yes, it is the initial engineering of the facility as well. The commissioners were forced 01:18:08.706 --> 01:18:13.591 - to build a facility that sounds so familiar deja vu all over again. Commissioners are forced to build 01:18:13.591 --> 01:18:17.758 - a facility. They weren't given enough money to do it. Yes, they built what they built. 01:18:17.954 --> 01:18:26.948 - we've been struggling to maintain it ever since. And it's cost a lot of money. That has cost a lot of 01:18:26.948 --> 01:18:36.559 - money. And ASI has done yeoman's work, Mr. Gardner, keeping things going. But you look at the administrative 01:18:36.559 --> 01:18:45.377 - side of that building, you've got pinhole leaks in pipes. I mean, it's crazy. That building is just 01:18:45.377 --> 01:18:47.934 - not, you can't maintain what 01:18:48.258 --> 01:18:54.549 - where we're at now. And it's not a lack of maintenance all along. It doesn't need a piece of carpet 01:18:54.549 --> 01:19:01.028 - and a lick of paint, as somebody once said. It needs to be replaced. And that's where we're going. And 01:19:01.028 --> 01:19:07.382 - that's where we're going. On that facility. It happens all day, every day, throughout the night. And 01:19:07.382 --> 01:19:13.735 - Dave's taking those calls at 12, 1, 2, 3 a.m. But here's what I'll say. It's not just the facilities 01:19:13.735 --> 01:19:17.950 - falling down around us. There are individuals inside that facility 01:19:18.210 --> 01:19:24.237 - specifically trying to destroy that facility. They're tearing up the plumbing. They're tearing up the 01:19:24.237 --> 01:19:30.619 - walls. They're tearing up the grates. They're plugging things up. The sheriff was talking about maintenance 01:19:30.619 --> 01:19:37.001 - on your home. Imagine if you had someone running through your house just destroying things. It's impossible 01:19:37.001 --> 01:19:43.028 - to keep up in a 24-hour operation. I want to talk about a couple of things as well. Is this document, 01:19:43.028 --> 01:19:44.446 - including the financial 01:19:45.762 --> 01:19:55.105 - Staffing cost estimates. Are these going out to the public yet? Have they been released to the public 01:19:55.105 --> 01:20:04.722 - yet? Then I'm going to say a couple numbers because I think the public needs to hear this. The estimated 01:20:04.722 --> 01:20:11.134 - cost for staffing is $1.68 million. This is an annual operating cost. 01:20:11.234 --> 01:20:19.328 - 65 000 in fuel maintenance uh we haven't talked about the capital costs of acquiring additional vehicles 01:20:19.328 --> 01:20:27.114 - uh plus plus you also have um housing which ranges depending on whether we're at a low cost facility 01:20:27.114 --> 01:20:34.900 - and how many inmates at any time i'm going to just give the high and low range here just to ballpark 01:20:34.900 --> 01:20:39.294 - it so people hear it uh 2.2 uh sorry 2. yeah 2.2 million 01:20:40.098 --> 01:20:51.073 - for 50 inmates at a low cost facility to 100 inmates at the highest cost facility at 4.4 million. I'm 01:20:51.073 --> 01:21:02.586 - just throwing those numbers out so people can hear the enormity of the problem because when you do release 01:21:02.586 --> 01:21:09.150 - that, it's gonna be shocking. I will say that I will support 01:21:09.346 --> 01:21:17.878 - the resolution, which we're going to talk about in a moment here, because we've been going on too long. 01:21:17.878 --> 01:21:26.082 - But there are going to be hurdles to moving forward quickly. You do know that, right? You know that 01:21:26.082 --> 01:21:34.368 - getting a new job description through council, it's a very long time. So I don't know if there's any 01:21:34.368 --> 01:21:38.142 - way to utilize your existing job descriptions 01:21:39.522 --> 01:21:48.177 - let's do this as a new hire. Just throwing that out there for you to consider because you're gonna be 01:21:48.177 --> 01:21:56.916 - adding another month to getting this moving. I am surprised that one county facility, Morgan, has such 01:21:56.916 --> 01:22:04.722 - a high cost per day and the others don't. And I imagine it's because it's a newer facility. 01:22:04.722 --> 01:22:08.286 - I'm not sure, but that's something that's 01:22:08.610 --> 01:22:17.416 - expensive um it's higher than department of corrections indiana department of corrections charges per 01:22:17.416 --> 01:22:26.221 - day okay um and now i'm gonna throw something else out there because you you all put together numbers 01:22:26.221 --> 01:22:35.372 - i'm guessing they're you know because i don't know your current budget as well as somebody on the council 01:22:35.372 --> 01:22:36.926 - will or should um 01:22:38.306 --> 01:22:46.639 - So let me say this. I think there's going to be some work that needs to be done as we talk to these 01:22:46.639 --> 01:22:55.056 - local county facilities. I think one of the things we need to ask them is whether they are currently 01:22:55.056 --> 01:23:04.222 - using CCH as their medical contractor. Because I'm wondering if there is some way, because that's who we use. 01:23:04.450 --> 01:23:12.026 - if there is some way that we can avoid being double billed for medical, right? I don't know, I couldn't 01:23:12.026 --> 01:23:19.311 - find our contract. So I'm sure you do. So I don't know if we're being charged per inmate per day or 01:23:19.311 --> 01:23:26.960 - if we're, and if that's the case, then yes, we'll pay medical from another facility. I was just thinking 01:23:26.960 --> 01:23:33.662 - through all of those logistics as well. I used to be on the council, I kind of go that way. 01:23:34.946 --> 01:23:43.260 - There are 242,000 meals last year in the facility. That's from your report. That's a lot of food. So 01:23:43.260 --> 01:23:51.656 - that number is going to change, right? So I think there's going to be some give and take is my point. 01:23:51.656 --> 01:24:00.299 - On the medical side, on the food side, this isn't all just because the way this is written out, it looks 01:24:00.299 --> 01:24:03.262 - like we're adding 50 to 100 inmates 01:24:03.682 --> 01:24:10.932 - per day, per year, per day for the whole year in different facilities, but not taking into account that 01:24:10.932 --> 01:24:17.974 - the costs in our facility should be lower because there are fewer inmates. There is, I know there is 01:24:17.974 --> 01:24:25.015 - much more staff that's needed to do the transport and preparation and everything else, but that food 01:24:25.015 --> 01:24:30.174 - costs may go down and medical costs may go down and staffing costs may be 01:24:30.786 --> 01:24:38.632 - may go down I don't know or can a staff member be moved to another task I don't know that's all really 01:24:38.632 --> 01:24:46.403 - important stuff for you to decide internally not not something that I should be inserting myself into 01:24:46.403 --> 01:24:54.097 - but I just want to point out that the way this is written is you know pretty frightening six million 01:24:54.097 --> 01:24:56.382 - six point six million dollars 01:24:57.506 --> 01:25:05.993 - between staff and that's not the capital just between staffing and. High end staffing and facility stay 01:25:05.993 --> 01:25:14.316 - days. That should have another side it's not going to be six million that should have another side on 01:25:14.316 --> 01:25:22.558 - that balance sheet that also shows where your other costs may be lower because there should be some. 01:25:23.746 --> 01:25:33.032 - some lower costs involved there somewhere. So the court has to agree to the emergency and the functional 01:25:33.032 --> 01:25:42.052 - capacity lack. They have to agree to release inmates to other facilities, correct? Our job is to say, 01:25:42.052 --> 01:25:51.515 - we believe that there are functional and structural issues in our current facility that lead us to declare 01:25:51.515 --> 01:25:53.726 - an emergency and, right? 01:26:18.402 --> 01:26:25.694 - And we foresee this emergency is not, again, something I said early on, we agree that this emergency 01:26:25.694 --> 01:26:33.130 - is not because of the heat wave. We agree that this is an emergency that's going to last until we have 01:26:33.130 --> 01:26:40.565 - a new facility. Yes. Is that accurate? Yes. Okay. All right. I just wanted that clear. Is that because 01:26:40.565 --> 01:26:43.742 - of mismanagement and it's not because of... 01:26:43.874 --> 01:26:52.096 - anything that's been done in the past. It is solely because of the conditions of the facility and the 01:26:52.096 --> 01:27:00.560 - decisions that were made originally. Yes. Okay. Thank you, gentlemen. Really appreciate it. If you would 01:27:00.560 --> 01:27:08.702 - stay here for a moment, I'm going to... If you're okay with making a motion on this resolution. Yes. 01:27:09.282 --> 01:27:19.547 - I was gonna say, I don't have the number. We don't have the resolution number. Okay, that's fine. Right, 01:27:19.547 --> 01:27:29.518 - right. The title hasn't changed, right? Right, yep. I need to give the number necessarily? We'll just 01:27:29.518 --> 01:27:32.158 - say the number's gonna be. 01:27:33.314 --> 01:27:39.025 - like to approve a resolution twenty twenty six dash a blank a resolution of the Monroe County Board 01:27:39.025 --> 01:27:44.736 - of Commissioners acknowledging the Monroe County jail overcrowding emergency affirming the county's 01:27:44.736 --> 01:27:50.619 - responsibility to support constitutional jail operations and authorizing emergency measures to provide 01:27:50.619 --> 01:27:56.387 - for the safe and lawful housing of inmates. I will second that and because this was not published in 01:27:56.387 --> 01:28:01.470 - advance I do want to read into the record the that now therefore and if you all have any 01:28:02.658 --> 01:28:08.828 - concerns once I read through that, please let us know, okay? One, the Monroe County Board of Commissioners 01:28:08.828 --> 01:28:14.767 - formally acknowledges that Monroe County is experiencing a significant jail overcrowding emergency and 01:28:14.767 --> 01:28:20.763 - that the current jail facility continues to deteriorate, creating operational safety and constitutional 01:28:20.763 --> 01:28:26.645 - concerns requiring immediate attention. Two, the board acknowledges that while the Monroe County jail 01:28:26.645 --> 01:28:29.470 - contains approximately 233 general housing beds, 01:28:29.570 --> 01:28:35.582 - The sheriff's office has established a functional capacity of the facility at approximately 186 beds. 01:28:35.682 --> 01:28:42.387 - based upon correctional operational requirements. The Monroe County attorney or other designated legal 01:28:42.387 --> 01:28:49.092 - counsel for the county is asked to immediately assist the Monroe County Sheriff's Office in preparing, 01:28:49.092 --> 01:28:55.862 - negotiating and finalizing interlocal agreements, housing agreements, and any other contracts necessary 01:28:55.862 --> 01:29:02.827 - to house Monroe County inmates in surrounding county correctional facilities. Number four, upon completing 01:29:02.827 --> 01:29:03.934 - such agreements, 01:29:04.418 --> 01:29:09.351 - And following any required approval by Monroe County courts, the board commits to considering enacting 01:29:09.351 --> 01:29:13.758 - upon those agreements without unnecessary delay. So in other words, bring those back to us. 01:29:14.178 --> 01:29:20.725 - for consideration five manure County Board of Commissioners encourages county council to identify. The 01:29:20.725 --> 01:29:26.508 - county funder funds available to finance this emergency operational plan, including inmate 01:29:26.508 --> 01:29:32.992 - housing transportation medical and associated operational costs and to identify the current available 01:29:32.992 --> 01:29:37.822 - balances of such funds as part of the county's implementation strategy six. 01:29:38.018 --> 01:29:44.694 - The board affirms that these emergency operational measures are intended solely to maintain constitutional 01:29:44.694 --> 01:29:51.059 - jail operations, protect the health and safety of inmates and staff, reduce legal liability to Monroe 01:29:51.059 --> 01:29:54.366 - County and preserve public safety until a permanent. 01:29:57.730 --> 01:30:03.524 - the replacement correctional facility is constructed and placed into service. Number seven, Monroe County 01:30:03.524 --> 01:30:09.099 - Board of Commissioners commits to working collaboratively with Monroe County Sheriff's Office, Monroe 01:30:09.099 --> 01:30:15.056 - County Courts, and other affected government agencies to implement these emergency measures as expeditiously 01:30:15.056 --> 01:30:21.014 - as practical. Number eight, nothing contained in this resolution shall be construed as limiting or replacing 01:30:21.014 --> 01:30:27.518 - Monroe County's ongoing responsibility to pursue, finance, and construct a long-term replacement correctional facility 01:30:27.650 --> 01:30:36.678 - meeting the present and future correctional needs of Monroe County. Did I miss anything, gentlemen? 01:30:36.678 --> 01:30:45.796 - I think so. Okay. With that, let's see if there's any public comment. Well, probably I would like us 01:30:45.796 --> 01:30:55.275 - to ratify this at our next meeting, so this should go on our agenda. The next meeting is a ratification, 01:30:55.275 --> 01:30:56.990 - just to have that. 01:30:57.154 --> 01:31:07.162 - Let's see if there's any public comment on this item. You can raise your hand on Teams or come to the 01:31:07.162 --> 01:31:17.072 - podium. Okay, seeing none, all those in favor of approving this resolution to be ratified next week, 01:31:17.072 --> 01:31:22.174 - signify by saying aye. Aye. Motion carries to zero. 01:31:24.866 --> 01:31:31.364 - Thank you. Thank you, gentlemen. Sheriff Marte, Chief Deputy Parker, and Commander Gibbons, thank you 01:31:31.364 --> 01:31:37.925 - so much. Thank you for all you do and continue to do. Yeah. Thank you. Appreciate it. Not an easy job. 01:31:37.925 --> 01:31:44.486 - No. Reading through that document makes that very clear. And please convey our thank you to your staff 01:31:44.486 --> 01:31:51.048 - as well. Will do. Thank you. Planning staff, I feel like I owe them a huge apology because I said, ah, 01:31:51.048 --> 01:31:53.086 - this will only take 20 minutes. 01:31:53.186 --> 01:32:05.795 - And here we are way later. Planning has a petition for us to hear, and I hope they're still there so 01:32:05.795 --> 01:32:18.528 - they can share it with us. And this is the ordinance 2026-23 Tabor Owens Rezone on State Road 45. Who 01:32:18.528 --> 01:32:22.398 - is here to present? Mr. Myers? 01:32:22.882 --> 01:32:36.037 - commissioners meeting. We don't normally make you wait around this long, but we certainly appreciate 01:32:36.037 --> 01:32:49.713 - your patience and tenacity. So if you could tell us about, um what we need to know about this ordinance. 01:32:49.713 --> 01:32:52.318 - Um we would greatly 01:32:53.154 --> 01:33:00.998 - Can you see I'm sharing my screen? Are you all able to see the presentation? Yes. OK, first and foremost, 01:33:00.998 --> 01:33:08.842 - I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Raymond Tobiah. I joined the county as a planner to in February. 01:33:08.842 --> 01:33:16.760 - Today is actually my five month anniversary. I'm happy to be here. So just before getting to the petition, 01:33:16.760 --> 01:33:20.830 - I just wanted to formally introduce myself to you all. 01:33:20.994 --> 01:33:28.213 - I do not believe that I have met any of you all before, or maybe just by happenstance, I may have run 01:33:28.213 --> 01:33:35.502 - into you all, but I just wanted to formally introduce myself first and foremost. Thank you so much and 01:33:35.502 --> 01:33:42.579 - welcome. I have met you before because I'm on the Planning Commission, but Commissioner Medeira had 01:33:42.579 --> 01:33:49.656 - not met you yet, so we look forward to working with you. Thank you. So this is just kind of a quick 01:33:49.656 --> 01:33:50.718 - summary of the 01:33:51.074 --> 01:33:59.136 - petition here. I'll give a more detailed summary at the formal session for this petition. This meeting 01:33:59.136 --> 01:34:07.041 - is or will this presentation really just to give kind of a general overview, just some highlights as 01:34:07.041 --> 01:34:15.260 - well as give you all the opportunity to ask any questions or if you have any you know kind of follow-ups 01:34:15.260 --> 01:34:18.782 - that you would like to inquire about I'll be 01:34:18.914 --> 01:34:27.159 - wasn't happy to answer. So the petition is for a rezone. So the property at 3695 West State Road, the 01:34:27.159 --> 01:34:35.404 - petitioner is requesting the rezoning from LB Limited Business to GB General Business. The purpose of 01:34:35.404 --> 01:34:43.488 - the rezone is to allow the use of a use, which is the Rosemont Fast Casual, to be permitted on that 01:34:43.488 --> 01:34:47.934 - lot. That use is not permitted in the limited business 01:34:48.322 --> 01:34:56.074 - zoning district but it is permitted in the general business zoning district. You'll see in the later 01:34:56.074 --> 01:35:03.903 - slides where that's outlined in our use table in the Monroe County Development Ordinance. Kind of the 01:35:03.903 --> 01:35:11.578 - big items to note is that there will need to be at the stage if this is approved, improvements that 01:35:11.578 --> 01:35:15.262 - will need to be made for what the petitioner is 01:35:15.362 --> 01:35:22.413 - Proposing that they are proposing a restaurant fast gas reuse ordinance stipulates that a site plan 01:35:22.413 --> 01:35:29.535 - review would need to be submitted for that. In doing so, they will have to make some improvements on 01:35:29.535 --> 01:35:36.798 - that lot. So that is something that will be addressed at that stage. Rezoning will increase the number 01:35:36.798 --> 01:35:44.414 - of uses from 60 to 85. So potential uses on that lot will increase. That's highlighted on page 135 and 137. 01:35:44.738 --> 01:35:53.055 - and the packet that was disseminated. Currently, there is a, well, it's in the process of being relocated. 01:35:53.055 --> 01:36:00.906 - There is a retail use, it's a mobile home hardware that is actually being relocated as we speak. And 01:36:00.906 --> 01:36:08.912 - the planning commission actually forwarded a positive recommendation by a vote of seven in favor, zero 01:36:08.912 --> 01:36:11.166 - against, and one abstaining. 01:36:11.650 --> 01:36:20.861 - at the July 16th, oh sorry, June 16th planning commission meeting. Moving forward. So most of the zoning 01:36:20.861 --> 01:36:29.721 - districts in the vicinity surrounding the subject property are also zoned either limited business or 01:36:29.721 --> 01:36:38.669 - general business directly to the east, north and south. It's their zoned general business as well. So 01:36:38.669 --> 01:36:40.862 - it's consistent with the 01:36:40.994 --> 01:36:49.563 - Zoning in the area, the reason on request that is, there are two buses in the vicinity and West State 01:36:49.563 --> 01:36:57.964 - Road 45 is in Indiana Department of Transportation maintain a roadway. So they will need to receive 01:36:57.964 --> 01:37:06.617 - approval for any commercial driveways from the Indiana Department of Transportation. So that'll be the 01:37:06.617 --> 01:37:10.398 - state. There is the Walmart in the vicinity. 01:37:10.530 --> 01:37:17.474 - to the east of the subject property. That is a major commercial use there. So that's just something 01:37:17.474 --> 01:37:24.488 - to keep in mind moving on. So these are the definitions of limited business and general business per 01:37:24.488 --> 01:37:31.640 - our county development ordinance. And there's also the definition of a restaurant fast casual use. And 01:37:31.640 --> 01:37:39.070 - this is the definition of the drive-throughs and accessories per our county development ordinance as well. 01:37:42.466 --> 01:37:48.087 - So this is the use table that I pulled a snippet from our county development orange. As you can see, 01:37:48.087 --> 01:37:53.653 - restaurant fast cash was not permitted in the limited business zoning district, but it is permitted 01:37:53.653 --> 01:37:59.497 - in the general business zoning district and the drive-through as an accessory use requires a conditional 01:37:59.497 --> 01:38:05.173 - use in both those zoning districts. But if they were able to have the properties on general business, 01:38:05.173 --> 01:38:10.238 - they will not only be permitted for the restaurant fast cash use, but they will be able to 01:38:10.402 --> 01:38:18.008 - pursue the drive-throughs and assess reuse and the general business zoning district as well. These are 01:38:18.008 --> 01:38:25.910 - the location map and zoning maps as you can see. On the map to the right, most of the property surrounding 01:38:25.910 --> 01:38:33.664 - the subject property are the zone general business. This is a site condition map. You can see the access 01:38:33.664 --> 01:38:38.686 - points, the ingress egress there to the north and to the northwest. 01:38:42.466 --> 01:38:50.879 - And this is the comparison of the site conditions from 2005 and from last year, 2025 for Eagle View 01:38:50.879 --> 01:38:59.376 - imagery. As you can see, since the Walmart was constructed adjacent to the property, there have been 01:38:59.376 --> 01:39:08.125 - some improvements made. Some of the notable ones are that turning lane leading into the Walmart parking 01:39:08.125 --> 01:39:11.070 - lot, as well as the sidewalk there 01:39:11.682 --> 01:39:20.698 - the north or sorry the southwest portion of the lot amongst other improvements. So one of the biggest 01:39:20.698 --> 01:39:29.891 - changes in the rezone will be really increased in the purpose cover. This lot is located in the Sinking 01:39:29.891 --> 01:39:38.995 - Creek critical watershed so they there are a few changes that will be made as far as their dimensional 01:39:38.995 --> 01:39:41.470 - standards. Most notable was 01:39:41.570 --> 01:39:49.577 - what I just mentioned, the increase in the perverse cover as well as the changes in the maximum height 01:39:49.577 --> 01:39:57.585 - for the primary structure, the accessory structure. And this is just kind of summarizing what I showed 01:39:57.585 --> 01:40:05.981 - in the first slide. Staff recommends approval for the rezone based on the findings of fact and the rezone's 01:40:05.981 --> 01:40:09.246 - compatibility with the comprehensive plan 01:40:09.442 --> 01:40:16.889 - that were included in the commissioner package. I will now field any questions you all may have. 01:40:16.889 --> 01:40:25.026 - All right, thank you so much. Do you have questions on this petition? I don't, thank you for the detailed 01:40:25.026 --> 01:40:32.243 - description. Yeah, I don't have any questions. I've heard this several times and I appreciate 01:40:32.243 --> 01:40:36.542 - the presentation. You did a great job, so kudos to you. 01:40:36.834 --> 01:40:44.362 - Thank you. Next the next step will be to have this presented at our regular meeting where you won't 01:40:44.362 --> 01:40:51.965 - be asked to wait so darn long to come on. I feel so badly about this, but I don't know if you've had 01:40:51.965 --> 01:40:59.869 - contact with the petitioner about when they would like to come in. Have they given you a date? No, first 01:40:59.869 --> 01:41:05.214 - thing we wanted to really do was bring it before you all and you know. 01:41:06.690 --> 01:41:16.191 - Yeah, really just first step was just kind of bringing it before you all. They didn't really, I think 01:41:16.191 --> 01:41:25.971 - they're just kind of fine with, you know, the process as it is, but they didn't really know any specific 01:41:25.971 --> 01:41:36.030 - dates that they wanted to, you know, have this. Okay. Okay, great. So we will not be meeting July 30th, nor 01:41:36.514 --> 01:41:46.389 - August 6. So we could either hear this on the 16th or the 23rd. Do you have a preference? Okay, we don't 01:41:46.389 --> 01:41:55.888 - have a preference. So if you want to reach out to the petitioner, we can do this next week or on the 01:41:55.888 --> 01:42:04.446 - 16th and you just need to get the packet to Aubrey and she will get that into our meeting. 01:42:04.642 --> 01:42:12.900 - and it'll be at the end of the meeting, but not a work session. It'll be a regular. Does that work for 01:42:12.900 --> 01:42:21.318 - you? Yeah, I'll reach out to them and see which date works best for them. Perfect. Thank you, sir. Thank 01:42:21.318 --> 01:42:29.335 - you so much for being here. Appreciate it. Thank you. Appreciate it. Mr. Rowdy, do we have anything 01:42:29.335 --> 01:42:32.542 - else for our work session which has now 01:42:34.882 --> 01:42:50.814 - two hours. That's awesome. Okay. All right. We'll talk. All right. Thank you, everyone. And with that, 01:42:50.814 --> 01:42:53.598 - we are adjourned.