WEBVTT 00:00:00.098 --> 00:00:08.226 - It is now 1 30 and I'm going to announce that I am Jack Schmidt, serving as the chair of this board 00:00:08.226 --> 00:00:16.598 - as a proxy for Danny Shields. And to my left I have Carolyn. Who is? I am proxy for Penny Githins, the 00:00:16.598 --> 00:00:24.726 - Democratic member of the board. Around the clerk and ex official board member. So the call to order 00:00:24.726 --> 00:00:29.278 - is at 1 30 and I want to get a clerks update right now. 00:00:30.210 --> 00:00:40.071 - Actually, before we start, I would like to make an amendment to the agenda, if possible, to add under 00:00:40.071 --> 00:00:50.222 - old business, an update on staffing and procedures for early voting. You're moving, I'll second. Second. 00:00:50.222 --> 00:00:56.990 - Aye. All opposed, same sign. Business, so back to the clerk's update. 00:00:57.794 --> 00:01:06.447 - back to the clerks update. I just wanted to give a quick legislative update. Now, of course, nothing 00:01:06.447 --> 00:01:15.186 - is official until it is signed by the governor. But yesterday was the Senate election hearing. And so 00:01:15.186 --> 00:01:23.925 - I just thought I'd give a brief update on four bills. House Bill 1055 passed out of the Senate by six 00:01:23.925 --> 00:01:26.238 - to three vote. That is the 00:01:26.946 --> 00:01:39.319 - that allows any city or town to move their elections to an even number year in the municipal elections. 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:51.216 - House Bill 1359, which was the clerk's formal request, that passed out by a vote of six to two, but 00:01:51.216 --> 00:01:56.094 - it did have an amendment that was put in 00:01:56.258 --> 00:02:04.939 - at the 11th hour. And that amendment, I surely hate to be breaking news on this if people don't know, 00:02:04.939 --> 00:02:13.534 - but that reduces early voting from 28 days to 16 days. Again, nothing is in stone until the governor 00:02:13.534 --> 00:02:22.045 - signs it, but that happened just yesterday. Senate bill number 12 is on its second reading. That is 00:02:22.045 --> 00:02:25.534 - the prohibition of ranked choice voting. 00:02:26.914 --> 00:02:38.955 - And it seems to be moving along. And then Senate Bill 113, which was the preservation of election material, 00:02:38.955 --> 00:02:50.104 - the bill had asked that it be increased from 22 months to 60 months. But I believe a compromise was 00:02:50.104 --> 00:02:55.902 - made. And the compromise was 34 months, which means 00:02:58.146 --> 00:03:05.211 - Nobody got everything. Storage was a huge issue for clerks in terms of how wanting to store election 00:03:05.211 --> 00:03:12.766 - material for five years, it did pass out unanimously. So I just wanted to give you those updates. Nothing's 00:03:12.766 --> 00:03:19.831 - done done until the governor signs it, but that's where we are as of yesterday. Thank you. That's my 00:03:19.831 --> 00:03:27.037 - understanding that the Senate bill needs to go back through the House does not before it is confirmed. 00:03:27.037 --> 00:03:27.806 - Which one? 00:03:28.226 --> 00:03:35.519 - early voting hours or days. That was an amendment for the Senate. It needs to go back and be voted on 00:03:35.519 --> 00:03:43.098 - in the House, does it not? Are you talking about the reduction? Yes. It has to go back to Chairman Wesco. 00:03:43.098 --> 00:03:50.320 - My understanding, though, is that it is something that he supports. And then it will make its way to 00:03:50.320 --> 00:03:56.254 - first, second, third reading. And they are trying to wrap those things up quickly. 00:03:56.354 --> 00:04:09.768 - There was no reason when I left yesterday to believe that it won't pass. Update, appreciate that. Let's 00:04:09.768 --> 00:04:20.990 - now go to item three on the agenda, old business. We have the 2026 early voting hours. 00:04:26.050 --> 00:04:32.593 - So in your packets, you guys will see the early voting hours that's going to have both for the primary 00:04:32.593 --> 00:04:39.009 - election and the general election. Those are both set currently at the 28 days. And I know that I've 00:04:39.009 --> 00:04:43.646 - been in contact with Molly on getting some documentation ready for that. 00:04:52.962 --> 00:04:59.865 - comment is that I don't know how we can vote on this until we actually know whether the 16 day reduction 00:04:59.865 --> 00:05:06.504 - passes, because I think that should it pass, we should consider extending some hours, perhaps making 00:05:06.504 --> 00:05:13.341 - Saturdays a full day. I know we've tried doing Sundays in the past, it's been kind of a dismal failure, 00:05:13.341 --> 00:05:18.206 - but we could extend Saturday hours from eight to six, and we could extend 00:05:18.562 --> 00:05:25.654 - at least one or two weekdays hours till an hour or two later to allow voters time to vote. So the only 00:05:25.654 --> 00:05:32.884 - thing that I'll say is that, you know, we have been talking about the early voting hours since December. 00:05:32.884 --> 00:05:39.977 - We are in a time crunch where we do have to- I understand we're in time crunch, but that's the problem 00:05:39.977 --> 00:05:47.069 - of the legislature, not us. Well, I was also going to say in the hope that something good can come out 00:05:47.069 --> 00:05:48.446 - of a bad thing that 00:05:48.674 --> 00:05:57.915 - Perhaps this leads into the next topic, and I'm not stepping on the next topic, but just to say that 00:05:57.915 --> 00:06:07.339 - if we're going to the 16 days, then the resources that we would have spent between the 16 and 28, that 00:06:07.339 --> 00:06:15.390 - we might be able to use those resources to add more polling locations for election day. 00:06:19.330 --> 00:06:27.506 - But election day is a different situation than early voting. And in this county so far, we've been about 00:06:27.506 --> 00:06:35.449 - 50-50 for early voting versus election day. A lot of people cannot vote on election day. They have to 00:06:35.449 --> 00:06:43.314 - go to work. And they have to perhaps work 20, 30 miles away from where they vote. So extending early 00:06:43.314 --> 00:06:49.310 - voting hours would allow those people maybe a better time and shorten lines. 00:06:49.986 --> 00:06:58.987 - And I don't think we can make those decisions until we actually know when or how many days we're gonna 00:06:58.987 --> 00:07:07.812 - be voting. Hi, thank you, Mr. Chair. So I'm Molly Turner King from County Legal. And I think I might 00:07:07.812 --> 00:07:17.162 - have a possible solution that will fix this concern. So I did prepare a resolution for the board regarding 00:07:17.162 --> 00:07:18.910 - early voting hours. 00:07:19.042 --> 00:07:25.590 - And I could easily add language in the resolution, and I can display it if that helps, that says the 00:07:25.590 --> 00:07:32.462 - Monroe County Election Board is aware and conscientiously following legislative proposals that may impact 00:07:32.462 --> 00:07:39.528 - early voting hours and reserves the right to amend those established by this resolution if state legislation 00:07:39.528 --> 00:07:46.076 - requires such. So you could adopt today, and then if the state law passes, you could amend the early 00:07:46.076 --> 00:07:48.734 - voting hours accordingly. Probably work. 00:07:51.554 --> 00:07:59.931 - So then I will make a motion to accept the early voting hours as proposed today so that we can move 00:07:59.931 --> 00:08:08.727 - forward. I think we should add to that amendment subject to the results of the legislative vote on early 00:08:08.727 --> 00:08:17.272 - voting. I guess I thought that's what we're signing, saying that it's subject to- Yeah, but it wasn't 00:08:17.272 --> 00:08:20.958 - officially in your meeting. In your motion. 00:08:21.858 --> 00:08:29.036 - So if I may, I just placed right there on the diocese three copies of the resolution that establishes 00:08:29.036 --> 00:08:36.074 - early voting hours. And then I can add the language that I just mentioned, again, says the election 00:08:36.074 --> 00:08:43.463 - board is following the legislative proposals. If it impacts these hours, you reserve the right to change 00:08:43.463 --> 00:08:51.134 - them. So we'll get another updated. I will print it immediately after this meeting. But I'm happy to display 00:08:51.266 --> 00:09:00.293 - the amended language on the screen if that helps to see it. That would be great for people who might 00:09:00.293 --> 00:09:09.587 - be watching. It does seem to me that we need to make some accommodation if we're going to reduce voting 00:09:09.587 --> 00:09:15.486 - days significantly. It may also affect the way we can hire staff. 00:09:22.370 --> 00:09:30.871 - I'm confused. Do I accept your resolution or do I accept this one? Well, her motion is basically to 00:09:30.871 --> 00:09:39.543 - accept this with the contingency that we may amend if needed. So I will restate the motion qualifying 00:09:39.543 --> 00:09:48.129 - that I'd like to accept the hours as written today with the understanding that they could be amended 00:09:48.129 --> 00:09:51.870 - pending the outcome of current legislation. 00:09:54.242 --> 00:10:03.680 - I second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Same sign. Also make sure and correct the Schmidt on the 00:10:03.680 --> 00:10:13.301 - SCA. I will make that correction. Pardon? I can make that correction on your referencing your name needs 00:10:13.301 --> 00:10:21.822 - to correct it. Yes, yes. I can make that. Yes, thank you. And yours is spelled right, Carol. 00:10:22.498 --> 00:10:45.538 - and is except the W is capitalized. So the motion passed and we will move forward. Looking for a seat. 00:10:45.538 --> 00:10:48.670 - Sorry, sorry. 00:10:48.994 --> 00:10:54.924 - And then we're now going to look at the election day polling locations. Great. And then on the election 00:10:54.924 --> 00:11:01.083 - day polling locations in your packet, you also will have a sheet in there that will have polling locations. 00:11:01.083 --> 00:11:07.242 - It will have the name of the location, the address of the location, and the precincts that will be assigned 00:11:07.242 --> 00:11:12.830 - to those. On both sides of that, you will have the 28 location option and the 21 location option. 00:11:24.162 --> 00:11:31.838 - into the 21 locations I'm assuming is based on your current budget? So the 21 location was a secondary 00:11:31.838 --> 00:11:39.291 - option and was presented to the election board in December. 21 locations is what the election board 00:11:39.291 --> 00:11:46.967 - had moved forward with until we had got some feedback from the county council after that. We, as Clerk 00:11:46.967 --> 00:11:48.830 - Brown has said, if we do 00:11:48.962 --> 00:11:56.032 - cut back to the 16 days of early voting, I think it would be great to move up to that 28. That a way 00:11:56.032 --> 00:12:03.241 - that it is opening up more locations on election day for anybody who is unable to get to early voting. 00:12:03.241 --> 00:12:10.241 - But then again, if we do go back and revise those and it is cut back to 16 days instead of 28, then 00:12:10.241 --> 00:12:17.310 - I could see where if we're extending hours, then maybe the 21 would still be better. But once again, 00:12:17.310 --> 00:12:18.430 - that's gonna be 00:12:18.818 --> 00:12:25.356 - up to you guys. What is the cost of notifying every voter that you have changed all of their polling 00:12:25.356 --> 00:12:32.023 - sites a month before the election? So a postcard will have to go out to every registered voter anyways 00:12:32.023 --> 00:12:38.497 - before the election. We do that after voter list maintenance to ensure that everybody is up to date 00:12:38.497 --> 00:12:41.086 - and that they have correct information. 00:12:41.794 --> 00:12:50.358 - That would be a question for Clerk Brown, I feel, because I've not been here yet when we had to update 00:12:50.358 --> 00:12:58.922 - some of the locations. I mean, we'd have to have a bunch of different postcards printed. We would. And 00:12:58.922 --> 00:13:07.486 - I feel I'm not comfortable giving you a quote. I mean, it certainly isn't cheap, but it is imperative. 00:13:07.618 --> 00:13:15.356 - And so I feel very fortunate that we have a vendor who, when we have reached out for the purposes of 00:13:15.356 --> 00:13:23.401 - sending postcards, they do understand budget constraints. We're not the only county that they work with. 00:13:23.401 --> 00:13:31.829 - There's another clerk that they do similar work for. And so I do feel confident that we can get a competitive 00:13:31.829 --> 00:13:33.438 - quote and it's also, 00:13:33.858 --> 00:13:40.625 - We're also talking about the timeliness that they will do a quick turnaround to make sure that we have 00:13:40.625 --> 00:13:47.261 - what we need. And I guess the other question is, are we making additional efforts to allow voters to 00:13:47.261 --> 00:13:53.897 - know that things have changed? I mean, we not only have or suggesting different polling sites, we no 00:13:53.897 --> 00:13:57.182 - longer have an election central at the hardwares. 00:13:57.314 --> 00:14:03.076 - Center, and it's somebody who's been around voting for many years. I know that people, you know, came 00:14:03.076 --> 00:14:08.725 - to the Carter building for like years after we moved to the Johnson Hardware Center. Now they don't 00:14:08.725 --> 00:14:14.430 - even have Election Central that they know where it is. And of course, the building that we have been 00:14:14.430 --> 00:14:20.531 - voting in for early voting has disappeared. So there's going to be a lot of confusion around this election. 00:14:20.531 --> 00:14:25.502 - You've seen that bigger postcard. You've received that bigger postcard that we've sold. 00:14:25.634 --> 00:14:32.988 - If you recall, that does tell you where early voting is located. And it's a bigger postcard. This is 00:14:32.988 --> 00:14:40.560 - not some little thing that could get lost among your bills. It's bigger. It's big enough to put on your 00:14:40.560 --> 00:14:47.914 - refrigerator, which is what I do with it. But are we making additional efforts to notify voters that 00:14:47.914 --> 00:14:52.574 - Election Central is no longer at the hardware building and that 00:14:52.706 --> 00:15:02.387 - that your polling site might have changed beyond just sending a postcard? I certainly am confident that 00:15:02.387 --> 00:15:11.696 - our partners will help us with getting that word out, including newspaper, media, other legal women 00:15:11.696 --> 00:15:21.470 - voters, other nonpartisan groups, candidates themselves. So I feel like we will get out plenty of notice 00:15:23.810 --> 00:15:33.080 - if you have a suggestion in your offering. I'm just wondering what you're considering already. I mean, 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:42.440 - it's the ninth hour. We certainly have our website. On your cards, you also have a number they can call 00:15:42.440 --> 00:15:47.390 - even the day of election to let them know where to go. 00:15:47.714 --> 00:15:53.875 - Yeah, that and then we've also worked with Richard Kreider from maintenance. He's been the one that's 00:15:53.875 --> 00:15:59.976 - helped us with this transition to the new space. He has done some signage over at Showers as well as 00:15:59.976 --> 00:16:06.138 - we are planning to have signage up at the old location that will direct people to the new location as 00:16:06.138 --> 00:16:12.360 - we did for when early voting was at Napa. We had a sign that said early voting is now at this location 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:16.286 - with the address. We'll do the same thing as we did in the past. 00:16:16.418 --> 00:16:22.449 - think that's going to be more so of a more communication with them. But we've also just had a meeting 00:16:22.449 --> 00:16:28.540 - earlier this week with both party chairs, and they both are very happy with helping us on getting some 00:16:28.540 --> 00:16:34.690 - digital graphics stuff for them both so that they can start passing out information to members of their 00:16:34.690 --> 00:16:40.721 - parties, but then also for us to be able to send them out to, for instance, Dave Askins with B Square 00:16:40.721 --> 00:16:43.678 - and then any other new sources within the county. 00:16:48.322 --> 00:16:54.870 - I think it's incumbent upon us all to remember that voting is a privilege, and it's something that we 00:16:54.870 --> 00:17:01.419 - should open ourselves up to know where we need to go, when we need to go, and how we can vote. So the 00:17:01.419 --> 00:17:07.903 - idea of having it easy for everybody, every single day, I think is a bit extreme in my book. I think 00:17:07.903 --> 00:17:14.323 - we just need to be silky. This is the time you can vote. Here are the days. You've got early voting 00:17:14.323 --> 00:17:17.726 - on these days. Different ways you can do it as well. 00:17:18.274 --> 00:17:24.867 - You've got folks who will take you to the site. So again, let's give people a chance to realize that 00:17:24.867 --> 00:17:31.655 - they're responsible as well for this wonderful right we have. And I don't disagree with you, Mr. Chair. 00:17:31.655 --> 00:17:38.182 - I think there's a happy medium. There will be voter education and there will be notice. And I think 00:17:38.182 --> 00:17:45.950 - that we will adequately get the word out. You have in the past, in the past 10 years, I've been so impressed with your 00:17:46.306 --> 00:17:53.484 - office of what you've done. So thank you. Okay. So right now we've got to select options, 21 or 20. 00:17:53.484 --> 00:18:00.805 - Yeah. So it'll be the 21 or 28. Originally it was 22 or 29. We had one location that had decided that 00:18:00.805 --> 00:18:08.126 - they could not be a location this year. They've had some construction going on for a couple of years. 00:18:08.126 --> 00:18:15.806 - They were unable to be a polling location in 2024 as well. And have all the locations on both options been 00:18:16.258 --> 00:18:22.397 - accepted and said that they can do it if we if we go with either option? On the list of the 21 they 00:18:22.397 --> 00:18:28.537 - have approved that was something that I brought up during the County Council meeting was originally 00:18:28.537 --> 00:18:31.422 - the election board only asked for us to go and 00:18:31.554 --> 00:18:39.166 - get confirmation from the 22 locations. I have confirmation from those. All of them have said yes. 00:18:39.166 --> 00:18:47.086 - On the 28, we will have to reach out to the additional individuals in order for us to communicate with 00:18:47.086 --> 00:18:54.237 - them, which then would hold off on approving the 28 list until the March meeting when we can 00:18:54.237 --> 00:19:00.158 - get clarification on who is willing to be applying location. And I know that 00:19:00.418 --> 00:19:08.633 - the budget available in the election fund plays into the establishment of 21 or 28. And I was asked 00:19:08.633 --> 00:19:16.849 - to convey to the election board that at the county council meeting last Tuesday, I think it was the 00:19:16.849 --> 00:19:19.806 - 10th, the council had conveyed that 00:19:19.970 --> 00:19:27.254 - there is funding available and that if once that funding is spent, if an additional appropriation is 00:19:27.254 --> 00:19:34.610 - needed to come back to the county council, typically the county council doesn't provide an additional 00:19:34.610 --> 00:19:41.895 - appropriation until the funds are expended and the additional is needed. So right now there is money 00:19:41.895 --> 00:19:46.366 - in the election fund to run either 21 or 28 and if, you know, 00:19:46.786 --> 00:19:53.563 - whatever the election board decides, if an additional amount of money is needed, then the council is 00:19:53.563 --> 00:20:00.809 - willing to have that conversation at that time. I'm going to make a comment here that for me, and hopefully 00:20:00.809 --> 00:20:07.854 - for Carolyn as well, the idea of having more sites than less sites makes more sense to me, giving people 00:20:07.854 --> 00:20:14.430 - more opportunities. And if you wait too long till the March meeting, then you're going to kind of 00:20:14.754 --> 00:20:21.776 - close that window of letting people know where they need to go. Yeah, the only worry with that is that 00:20:21.776 --> 00:20:28.661 - if we approve this list, then we'll have to come back and amend who was not able to be a location. I 00:20:28.661 --> 00:20:35.478 - think we could potentially do some verbiage of where, kind of like we did with the first one, where 00:20:35.478 --> 00:20:41.886 - if a location decides that they are no longer able to be one, we could then amend the number. 00:20:42.434 --> 00:20:50.500 - Is there a reason why we don't have confirmation from all 28? As I said, I got permission from the election 00:20:50.500 --> 00:20:58.192 - board to contact the first 22 originally, and then it was never brought up again to go with the larger 00:20:58.192 --> 00:21:05.735 - number. I know, but that's the one thing I have had a chance to discuss with Ms. Githins, who is the 00:21:05.735 --> 00:21:12.382 - official. I'm serving as her proxy today, was that she doesn't believe that that's true. 00:21:12.546 --> 00:21:20.640 - that and she definitely would approve the 28 but not the 21. I mean, we can go back to election board 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:28.654 - minutes and pull where it was the 22 locations that was kind of still irrelevant. It seems like that 00:21:28.654 --> 00:21:36.668 - we should have talked to everybody. I'm going to make a motion for the 28 polling locations with the 00:21:36.668 --> 00:21:40.318 - understanding that it could be amended should 00:21:41.346 --> 00:21:52.103 - should a location not be willing to serve? I will second. Well, if I may, I think procedurally, it would 00:21:52.103 --> 00:21:59.582 - be a motion to attach exhibit A with the 28 locations to the resolution. 00:21:59.810 --> 00:22:07.045 - Oh, so it's option 228 would be exhibit A. Okay, got it. Correct. And I can't display this resolution 00:22:07.045 --> 00:22:14.280 - because the Teams link is not working for me. So if the chair is okay with it and the board, I'd like 00:22:14.280 --> 00:22:21.586 - to read the resolution into the meeting minutes. So this is a resolution of the Monroe County Election 00:22:21.586 --> 00:22:29.246 - Board. It's a resolution approving poll locations and to consolidate polling places of adjoining precincts. 00:22:29.378 --> 00:22:35.459 - Whereas pursuant to Indiana code 31184.3 permits the election board by unanimous vote to locate the 00:22:35.459 --> 00:22:41.601 - polls for a precinct at the polls for an adjoining precinct using the precinct election board of the 00:22:41.601 --> 00:22:47.926 - adjoining precinct to administer the election for both precincts at the same polling place. And whereas 00:22:47.926 --> 00:22:54.250 - the Monroe County election board has found it desirable in certain precincts to consolidate the polling 00:22:54.250 --> 00:22:58.142 - paces for adjoining precincts pursuant to Indiana code 31184.3, 00:22:58.274 --> 00:23:03.642 - and whereas the Monroe County Election Board approves the attached list of polling sites and requests 00:23:03.642 --> 00:23:09.010 - submission for commissioners for approval, now therefore be it resolved by the Monroe County Election 00:23:09.010 --> 00:23:14.483 - Board that one, by unanimous vote of the election board that the polling places for the precincts named 00:23:14.483 --> 00:23:19.746 - to be consolidated with the adjoining precincts shall be consolidated as identified in the separate 00:23:19.746 --> 00:23:24.798 - attachment and that the consolidated precincts shall be administered by the same precinct board 00:23:24.994 --> 00:23:31.596 - And two, Exhibit A containing a list of the polling sites and precincts is attached and incorporated 00:23:31.596 --> 00:23:38.328 - as a part of this resolution. And two, the Monroe County Election Board approves the polling locations 00:23:38.328 --> 00:23:45.387 - list within Exhibit A and requests submission to the Monroe County Commissioners for approval in accordance 00:23:45.387 --> 00:23:52.447 - with Indiana code. And presented to and adopted on this day of February, 2026 by the Monroe County Election 00:23:52.447 --> 00:23:53.950 - Board. And by statute, 00:23:54.434 --> 00:24:00.487 - commissioners shall designate the polling locations not less than 29 days before election day. So I 00:24:00.487 --> 00:24:06.601 - think even if you pass this and then there's a need to amend it to, because some of the 28 locations 00:24:06.601 --> 00:24:13.200 - is not available, I think you still have time to make that amendment before you get it to the commissioners. 00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:19.253 - I would point out that the one issue is that whereas and the second whereas is missing an E. I will 00:24:19.253 --> 00:24:23.006 - make that correction. Other than that, I like the resolution. 00:24:26.146 --> 00:24:44.915 - Anymore discussion on the resolution? Okay. Say aye. Aye. Opposed, same sign. Unanimous consent. On 00:24:44.915 --> 00:24:55.614 - your agenda item on staffing. So can we get an update on 00:24:56.194 --> 00:25:03.666 - staffing for early voting and voting? Do we have leads yet? Do we have recruiters? Do we have people 00:25:03.666 --> 00:25:11.360 - who are assigned for training? And do we know who is going to be doing the training and putting packets 00:25:11.360 --> 00:25:19.646 - together for election day and all those issues? So we have been in communication with both of the party chairs. 00:25:20.450 --> 00:25:27.974 - One party has made most of their appointments as leads. The other party is still struggling to find 00:25:27.974 --> 00:25:35.574 - a couple. And for recruiters, both of the recruiters have been appointed, but we are now waiting for 00:25:35.574 --> 00:25:43.249 - the process of being added to the agenda with the county council to have approval to make those hires 00:25:43.249 --> 00:25:49.118 - official. And as far as in-house, who's going to be doing training this year? 00:25:49.730 --> 00:25:56.208 - Training right now, we're still communicating, but it's probably going to be split between two staff 00:25:56.208 --> 00:26:02.751 - members. Ashley will be the main training specialist. And who is replacing Bonnie is putting together 00:26:02.751 --> 00:26:09.421 - the blue suitcases, I guess we would call them for election day and so forth. So all of those materials 00:26:09.421 --> 00:26:16.284 - have been prepped in the past by the part-time employees. So it'll continue to be prepped by the part-time 00:26:16.284 --> 00:26:16.990 - employees. 00:26:21.346 --> 00:26:29.955 - Probably covers most of it at this point. Obviously until we get leads, we can't do training and hire 00:26:29.955 --> 00:26:38.818 - people to work and so forth. We're still waiting. We have to go through the hiring freeze process before 00:26:38.818 --> 00:26:42.110 - we can move forward with any of those. 00:26:42.338 --> 00:26:54.048 - actually had a meeting today with Clerk Brown about getting that added to the soonest agenda as we can, 00:26:54.048 --> 00:27:05.758 - since I have a pretty rough estimate of numbers of what we're going to need to be able to have a robust 00:27:05.758 --> 00:27:11.838 - election like the County Council has asked for. Okay. 00:27:12.258 --> 00:27:21.387 - Time now for public comment on old business. Early voting hours, election day polling locations, and 00:27:21.387 --> 00:27:30.515 - the early voting staffing. Seeing no one coming to the podium, public comment is now closed. Now for 00:27:30.515 --> 00:27:35.486 - new business, candidate challenge, review, and motion. 00:27:37.218 --> 00:27:47.162 - So we've received two challenges from the Democratic Party chair. Both of those are in your guys's packets. 00:27:47.162 --> 00:27:56.462 - The first one that's going to be on top, it says that there is no seal on the can too. On that there 00:27:56.462 --> 00:28:05.854 - was a rise seal and that was why it was unable to be detected through a scan. We do have the original 00:28:06.050 --> 00:28:14.101 - and it does have a definitive seal on it? Correct. What would have been in the? It would have been on 00:28:14.101 --> 00:28:22.309 - the Cantu and it would have been on the back section where it shows that there's a circle that has seal 00:28:22.309 --> 00:28:30.281 - written in it. There is a rised seal there that is. I can see what looks like the outline of a seal. 00:28:30.281 --> 00:28:34.622 - That's the raised seal to which you're referring. Yes. 00:28:36.738 --> 00:28:42.734 - Sorry to interrupt, Chair. But procedurally, before you get too much into these challenges, looking 00:28:42.734 --> 00:28:48.730 - at the administrator manual and statute, I think it requires the election board to hold a challenge 00:28:48.730 --> 00:28:54.965 - hearing. And both notice has to be given to the challenger and the individuals who filed the challenge. 00:28:54.965 --> 00:29:01.261 - So I don't know how much you want to get into these challenged issues today without any of those parties 00:29:01.261 --> 00:29:05.758 - present. And have the candidates who've been challenged been notified yet? 00:29:07.234 --> 00:29:14.730 - not to my knowledge that they have. I believe that the party chair might have, but we can continue through 00:29:14.730 --> 00:29:17.182 - with that and look into that more. 00:29:18.978 --> 00:29:25.182 - So I think you have until the election board would have until noon of next Thursday the 26th to resolve 00:29:25.182 --> 00:29:31.326 - any challenges so it almost feels like we need to set a special election board meeting to notify those 00:29:31.326 --> 00:29:37.292 - parties because then those parties have the right to present evidence and then the challenges could 00:29:37.292 --> 00:29:39.678 - be resolved we could recess rather than 00:29:40.162 --> 00:29:47.749 - You could recess, which would allow you then to call a special meeting. Yes. The only thing recessing 00:29:47.749 --> 00:29:55.857 - does is not require the 48-hour notice. You would have to know the exact date and time that you're recessing 00:29:55.857 --> 00:30:03.742 - today, or you can adjourn and we can publish the 48-hour notice. Will members have a suggestion? I would. 00:30:07.746 --> 00:30:14.030 - contingent upon us to notify the candidates. I don't know whether it's contingent upon the, because 00:30:14.030 --> 00:30:20.692 - I only got this last night and I didn't get the details until just now, so I don't know exactly. I didn't 00:30:20.692 --> 00:30:27.102 - have time to figure out who is responsible for notifying the candidates, but who is? I need to do so. 00:30:27.394 --> 00:30:35.455 - immediately. And as I know, the administration book says that, yes, you can send a certified letter, 00:30:35.455 --> 00:30:43.596 - but you might just want to use the telephone because of the timing issues and so forth. So we need to 00:30:43.596 --> 00:30:51.817 - know exactly who needs to make that notification and to do that, probably forthwith. Would that be the 00:30:51.817 --> 00:30:56.766 - party chairs? I don't believe so, because we're talking about 00:30:57.570 --> 00:31:06.681 - the opposite party making those challenges, it seems like it wouldn't be contingent upon them to also 00:31:06.681 --> 00:31:15.881 - notify the candidates who are challenged. But as a proxy, I don't have an updated administrative book. 00:31:15.881 --> 00:31:19.454 - I think the election board via election 00:31:19.714 --> 00:31:26.319 - office would give notice to both the challenger and the challenged candidate. So if the challenger is 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:32.989 - the party chair, then they give notice. But I don't think it's contingent on the party chair to notify 00:31:32.989 --> 00:31:40.048 - the challenged candidate. So I think that the election office should do that like today, if at all possible. 00:31:40.048 --> 00:31:46.524 - So may I suggest that we, if we're recessing, that we recess until next Tuesday to give us the time 00:31:46.524 --> 00:31:49.438 - to notify the challenger and the challenged. 00:31:54.914 --> 00:32:10.021 - I will check room availability for that day. Out of town, so let me check and see when she gets back. 00:32:10.021 --> 00:32:17.278 - Madam Clerk, is the request for 1.30 on Tuesday? 00:32:25.474 --> 00:32:35.201 - on that decision and see if I get an answer back about when she is back. Yeah, Chairman Shielski is 00:32:35.201 --> 00:32:45.220 - back tonight, so I know he'll be here next week. Do you know the rest of the timeline, Molly, in terms 00:32:45.220 --> 00:32:54.558 - of decisions? I do know that they need their own representation if they choose to challenge it. 00:32:54.690 --> 00:33:00.412 - We can't provide them with legal advice. They would be to hire an attorney. I briefly looked at the 00:33:00.412 --> 00:33:06.419 - candidate challenge statutes. I think it's somewhat similar to hearings that we've had in the past where 00:33:06.419 --> 00:33:12.198 - we would send a notice that says, you know, if you choose to have legal representation, it's on you. 00:33:12.198 --> 00:33:16.318 - You have the right to present evidence. And I can, if the board directs 00:33:16.674 --> 00:33:23.411 - at such and is okay with it, I can work with the election supervisor on drafting the appropriate notice 00:33:23.411 --> 00:33:29.954 - letter to send to candidates, and we can get that out as soon as we know about the hearing date. And 00:33:29.954 --> 00:33:34.878 - it appears that Ms. Githans will be back next week, so Tuesday should work. 00:33:41.538 --> 00:33:47.187 - If you're okay with it, I'm going to run into the room right over here to make sure that this room's 00:33:47.187 --> 00:33:51.102 - available on the 24th because I'm not getting a response to the text. 00:34:10.690 --> 00:34:23.141 - So I'm gonna move right now and just put a hold on that candidate challenge and then we'll move to the 00:34:23.141 --> 00:34:35.714 - public comment on item five in the agenda. And each person coming to the podium will have three minutes 00:34:35.714 --> 00:34:40.670 - to make a public comment. Seeing no one. 00:34:41.218 --> 00:34:50.342 - I'll close the public comment portion of the meeting. And we're now to the motion to recess or adjourn. 00:34:50.342 --> 00:34:59.203 - We'll wait for the council to come back and then we'll... Okay. This is an opportunity to thank you, 00:34:59.203 --> 00:35:08.766 - Mr. Chair and Ms. Carolyn for serving as proxies today. We appreciate your service and... It's been a while. 00:35:08.962 --> 00:35:15.803 - It has been a while since you've been in the chair. How does it feel? I don't have a public comment. 00:35:15.803 --> 00:35:22.576 - I'm just kind of, I was in the courthouse, so I decided to come and crash the election board. But I 00:35:22.576 --> 00:35:29.484 - noticed there are individuals attending virtually that do have their hand raised. And I know that you 00:35:29.484 --> 00:35:36.257 - just came and are the proxy as the chair today. So I figured I'd just bring that to your attention. 00:35:36.257 --> 00:35:37.950 - It gets a little tricky. 00:35:38.082 --> 00:35:47.310 - with the virtual attendance. I just got a text to the same effect, that there are people with online. 00:35:47.310 --> 00:35:56.629 - I appreciate that. I didn't notice that. But OK, yes, a lot of online folks. So just control me to the 00:35:56.629 --> 00:36:05.857 - online there. Can you hear me? Yes. Can you state your name? Yes. My name is Susan Brackney. And also 00:36:05.857 --> 00:36:07.486 - spell it, please. 00:36:09.378 --> 00:36:25.411 - s-u-s-a-n b-s-n-boy r-a-c-k-n-e-y. I just wanted to say the Arizona Secretary of State has publicly 00:36:25.411 --> 00:36:38.558 - acknowledged that the upcoming midterm elections are not likely to be business as 00:36:38.786 --> 00:36:47.451 - usual. His office is running through various scenarios that could happen just in order to make sure 00:36:47.451 --> 00:36:56.809 - that they're prepared for the types of processes that might be necessary to preserve democracy essentially. 00:36:56.809 --> 00:37:05.214 - There's an entire interview with him by the Atlantic from last month that you can see on YouTube 00:37:05.378 --> 00:37:13.304 - that I highly recommend. And I would love to know that you and other officials are similarly running 00:37:13.304 --> 00:37:21.386 - through various scenarios and putting necessary plans in place. And in the event that you're unwilling 00:37:21.386 --> 00:37:28.606 - or unable to do some tabletop exercises around, let's say ice comes to the polling place or 00:37:29.314 --> 00:37:38.115 - who knows what. I would just point you to a few resources that might be helpful. The University 00:37:38.115 --> 00:37:47.742 - of Pennsylvania Center for Ethics and the Rule of Law has made the results of its own tabletop exercises 00:37:47.742 --> 00:37:54.526 - available online. The Brennan Center for Justice released a policy report 00:37:55.010 --> 00:38:03.858 - entitled A State Agenda for Election Security and Resiliency that may also be helpful, even though I'm 00:38:03.858 --> 00:38:12.964 - not sure how many pro-democracy allies exist at the state level, to be honest. But it may still be useful 00:38:12.964 --> 00:38:21.640 - locally. And then the University of Southern California Election Cybersecurity Initiative convened a 00:38:21.640 --> 00:38:23.358 - national roundtable 00:38:23.874 --> 00:38:34.008 - on cybersecurity related challenges and are offering some tools for 2026. The YouTube video of their 00:38:34.008 --> 00:38:44.143 - entire proceedings is available online. And I just cannot stress enough that so much lawlessness and 00:38:44.143 --> 00:38:53.374 - abnormality nationally is being normalized. And it is up to anyone within earshot basically 00:38:54.178 --> 00:39:02.461 - and with a modicum of power to stand up and say, this is not normal and this is not business as usual. 00:39:02.461 --> 00:39:10.986 - And we're going to all have to work together to safeguard our elections, protect voter rights and reclaim 00:39:10.986 --> 00:39:19.028 - democracy from the clutches of what is honestly looking to be authoritarian rule. Thank you for the 00:39:19.028 --> 00:39:20.958 - opportunity to comment. 00:39:22.946 --> 00:39:32.436 - Thank you for your comments. And I think we have one more. Hello, sorry. It's interesting being on the 00:39:32.436 --> 00:39:41.742 - side of the podium, or on the side of the day. Good afternoon. I am Jennifer Crossley. I had my hand 00:39:41.742 --> 00:39:46.718 - raised. Excuse my appearance. I am Jennifer Crossley. 00:39:46.786 --> 00:39:53.424 - doing some other things, and I just decided to run in here, and so I am here. So I am Jennifer Crossley, 00:39:53.424 --> 00:40:00.125 - Monroe County Council District Four Council President, and I just wanted to thank you all for what you've 00:40:00.125 --> 00:40:06.510 - just done in terms of making sure that our voters of Monroe County have that usual eight to six time 00:40:06.510 --> 00:40:12.896 - frame that they are accustomed to, even in the light of things changed. I know it was mentioned that 00:40:12.896 --> 00:40:16.752 - we have to give voters a chance and an opportunity to ensure 00:40:16.752 --> 00:40:23.675 - that they get all the information in terms of the new voting change and how that is a privilege. However, 00:40:23.675 --> 00:40:25.438 - as a mom of a newly minted 00:40:25.570 --> 00:40:32.582 - voters who will be able to vote for the first time. We want to make sure that our communities and anybody 00:40:32.582 --> 00:40:39.263 - that has that right to vote has the means and the ways of doing it. Of course, you know, making sure 00:40:39.263 --> 00:40:46.077 - that we have, you know, radio shows, TV ads, whatever we need to do to ensure that the voters are able 00:40:46.077 --> 00:40:52.956 - to do that in light of all the other things that are going on to make sure that our elections are free, 00:40:52.956 --> 00:40:55.536 - safe and fair. I know last week at the 00:40:55.536 --> 00:41:02.683 - County Council. We had a very robust conversation with Clark Brown and Ms. Farris and I really appreciate 00:41:02.683 --> 00:41:09.695 - that and as we had mentioned that any time that the funds are used in your lines that you know you come 00:41:09.695 --> 00:41:16.505 - back for additional appropriation. So I know that was mentioned by Ms. Turner-King but I just wanted 00:41:16.505 --> 00:41:21.022 - to definitely reiterate that as president of the council that I am 00:41:21.186 --> 00:41:27.782 - clear to say that all seven of us have that same sentiment to make sure that the voters of Monroe County 00:41:27.782 --> 00:41:34.064 - are able to practice their right to go out and to vote. So I appreciate that. I know the two of you 00:41:34.064 --> 00:41:40.535 - are proxies. Hello, and you might not be able to come back in next meeting, but I'm sure you will pass 00:41:40.535 --> 00:41:46.880 - that information along to the powers that be. And we on the council look forward to working with our 00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:51.152 - election board here to ensure that our primaries go off as smoothly 00:41:51.152 --> 00:41:57.458 - and safe as possible as well as the general but the first thing that we got to get to first is our primary. 00:41:57.458 --> 00:42:03.530 - So again I just wanted to say thank you for that was waiting and hoping that everything was passed here 00:42:03.530 --> 00:42:09.544 - and it seems like you know what we had in good faith just went through so I appreciate that and I look 00:42:09.544 --> 00:42:15.382 - forward to seeing how we can collaborate together and and if there's ways that council can you know 00:42:15.382 --> 00:42:21.104 - get the word out as well we're willing to do anything and everything that we can so thank you for 00:42:21.104 --> 00:42:27.523 - for your time. You sprinted over here? I did. I ran. I got my running shoes on, too. Oh, my goodness. 00:42:27.523 --> 00:42:33.879 - You look perfectly lovely, as usual. Thank you for coming. My name is Cheryl Langdon. I wasn't going 00:42:33.879 --> 00:42:40.360 - to speak today, but prompted by the two that I saw online. And I'm thankful that the gentleman brought 00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:46.716 - that to the attention, because I kept going, even if there's two people that I think wants to speak. 00:42:46.716 --> 00:42:48.478 - So I have nothing prepared. 00:42:49.410 --> 00:42:58.046 - After listening to the other two individual, people that are worried about authoritarianism and so forth, 00:42:58.046 --> 00:43:06.681 - and ICE and all that, I think that we have definitely gotten away from treating each other with civility. 00:43:06.681 --> 00:43:15.073 - And I am specifically blaming my old party. And I find it funny that they gaslight. And Democrats need 00:43:15.073 --> 00:43:16.702 - to stop doing that. 00:43:17.314 --> 00:43:24.940 - Republicans have been suppressed, conservatives, for four years under Biden. So you want to talk about 00:43:24.940 --> 00:43:32.567 - democracy? Well, I'm here to talk about a republic and that we're all supposed to be together in this. 00:43:32.567 --> 00:43:40.045 - And to sit there and make those false accusations is just irresponsible. I feel safer knowing I have 00:43:40.045 --> 00:43:45.598 - national guardsmen, knowing I have federal agents, knowing I have agencies 00:43:45.986 --> 00:43:54.262 - that are here to protect me as an American, free American, I absolutely support. And I just want to 00:43:54.262 --> 00:44:02.704 - get that two cents. Thank you. Did you sign in by the way? There isn't a paper here. So I was another 00:44:02.704 --> 00:44:12.222 - thing, I forgot to save it. Sign in. Thank you. She stated her name, which was good. Anybody else? Public comment? 00:44:12.738 --> 00:44:20.785 - I don't see any hands raised, but I can't see very well, so. We're good. OK. I don't see any public 00:44:20.785 --> 00:44:28.832 - comment on there. Pardon? I don't see any. OK. And thanks to the gentleman who came up and reminded 00:44:28.832 --> 00:44:37.281 - me that there was hands raised on the electronic piece. So I miss that. OK. Anything else for the board? 00:44:37.281 --> 00:44:42.270 - I did confirm that the room is available on the 24th at 1.30. 00:44:42.882 --> 00:44:50.199 - If the board is directing such, Kylie and I can work together, get the notices out, and notice that 00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:57.735 - meeting. Is that the board's desire? So the question I have, is this a recess then until then? You can 00:44:57.735 --> 00:45:05.125 - adjourn or recess. I'm going to publish notice regardless. And we have 48 hours. We have 48 hours. I 00:45:05.125 --> 00:45:11.198 - would just recess anyway until Tuesday, because we know we're going to be meeting. 00:45:14.370 --> 00:45:21.813 - to recessing I do think there was I received a comment that was confused on what the board did establishing 00:45:21.813 --> 00:45:28.705 - early voting hours and so I was finally able to get on the team's link and so it's not gonna let me 00:45:28.705 --> 00:45:36.286 - share I was going to share the early voting hours but I think in order to eliminate the confusion it might be 00:45:36.386 --> 00:45:42.710 - It would be my suggestion to read the resolution that the board passed the early voting hours into the 00:45:42.710 --> 00:45:48.973 - record and state the early voting hours. So you're OK with it. I'm happy to do that real quick. Do we 00:45:48.973 --> 00:45:55.174 - have the updated verbiage as well? Yes. I thought she did read the resolution. I read the resolution 00:45:55.174 --> 00:45:59.902 - for poll locations, not early voting. I would be happy if you would do that. 00:46:00.578 --> 00:46:06.070 - This is a resolution of the Monroe County election board establishing early voting hours for the twenty 00:46:06.070 --> 00:46:11.774 - twenty six Monroe County election. Whereas pursuant to Indiana code three eleven ten twenty six a satellite 00:46:11.774 --> 00:46:17.161 - office may be established permit voters to cast absentee ballots up to twenty eight days prior to the 00:46:17.161 --> 00:46:20.382 - election and including two Saturdays preceding election day. 00:46:20.482 --> 00:46:25.898 - and whereas the Monroe County Election Board recognizes establishing early voting hours eases election 00:46:25.898 --> 00:46:31.261 - day congestion leading to shorter lines and improved poll worker performance as well as making Monroe 00:46:31.261 --> 00:46:34.206 - County elections accessible to all individuals who wish 00:46:34.306 --> 00:46:40.000 - to cast a vote during the election and whereas the Monroe County Election Board wishes to establish 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:45.865 - early voting hours, including the two Saturdays prior to the election board or election day to provide 00:46:45.865 --> 00:46:51.729 - voters with multiple opportunities to cast their ballots. Now, therefore, be it resolved by the Monroe 00:46:51.729 --> 00:46:57.822 - County Election Board that establishes early voting hours for the 2026 elections as depicted in Exhibit A. 00:46:57.922 --> 00:47:03.773 - which is attached and incorporated into this resolution. The Monroe County Election Board is aware and 00:47:03.773 --> 00:47:09.737 - conscientiously following legislative proposals that may impact early voting hours. If state legislation 00:47:09.737 --> 00:47:15.587 - is enacted that impacts the establishment of early voting hours, the election board reserves the right 00:47:15.587 --> 00:47:21.495 - to amend the early voting hours accordingly. Present it to and adopt it on the seventh day of February, 00:47:21.495 --> 00:47:25.982 - 2026. And I'm sure that we will add the early voting hours to our website, but 00:47:26.754 --> 00:47:34.689 - To read them, what's on Exhibit A is April 17th through the 10th, early voting will open up at 8 a.m. 00:47:34.689 --> 00:47:42.780 - and close at 6 p.m. On the 13th through the 17th, it opens at 8 a.m., closes at 6 p.m. The 20th through 00:47:42.780 --> 00:47:50.715 - the 24th, opening at 8 a.m., closing at 6 p.m. On April 25th, it opens at 9 a.m. and closes at 4 p.m. 00:47:50.715 --> 00:47:53.438 - On April 27th to May 1st, it opens 00:47:53.826 --> 00:48:00.626 - at 8 a.m. and closes at 6 p.m. on May 2nd, 9 a.m. to 4 a.m., and on May 4th, 8 a.m. to noon. And that 00:48:00.626 --> 00:48:07.359 - is the early voting hours for the primary. I'm happy to read the general, but it seems primary might 00:48:07.359 --> 00:48:14.292 - be the immediate concern. I think that's all that we need. And I will reiterate that those are the same 00:48:14.292 --> 00:48:21.091 - hours that we have been voting for the last number of years. So nothing has changed unless we need to 00:48:21.091 --> 00:48:23.358 - do so because days get shortened. 00:48:29.506 --> 00:48:36.422 - The resolution. Do I need to actually you want to tell people where they're going to vote early voting. 00:48:36.422 --> 00:48:43.206 - Early voting is now in the showers building which is 501 North Morton and it's in suite 101. And then 00:48:43.206 --> 00:48:49.989 - if you obviously have any questions you can call voter registration and that is the north side of the 00:48:49.989 --> 00:48:56.640 - showers building. There is a parking lot there which I'm presuming there will be designated parking 00:48:56.640 --> 00:48:57.438 - for voters. 00:48:57.794 --> 00:49:04.821 - Yes, so along the entire front side where the sidewalk is next to the building that will all be handicapped 00:49:04.821 --> 00:49:11.392 - as well as the street parking that will be on the side of the building as well on Morton Street that 00:49:11.392 --> 00:49:18.094 - will also be Handicapped parking the entire parking lot there will be reserved for early voting voters 00:49:18.094 --> 00:49:21.022 - and we are going to start communication with 00:49:21.794 --> 00:49:31.487 - we're going to be able to get Mr. Crider from maintenance on getting some designated parking spaces 00:49:31.487 --> 00:49:41.762 - for the poll workers themselves. Kylie, do you want to explain what's going on with the telephone system? 00:49:41.762 --> 00:49:51.262 - So if you do call voter registration currently, we are all using county cell phones at this time. 00:49:51.746 --> 00:49:57.730 - office phone set up currently. So if you call into our office and we're already on the line with somebody 00:49:57.730 --> 00:50:03.601 - else, it's just automatically going to a voicemail. That voicemail is not programmed for it to say that 00:50:03.601 --> 00:50:09.247 - it's Monroe County voter registration. It just says this caller is unavailable at this time because 00:50:09.247 --> 00:50:11.166 - of the calls being forwarded over 00:50:11.234 --> 00:50:18.512 - from the desk phones. We're working on that. I actually have a meeting with Mr. Kreider tomorrow to 00:50:18.512 --> 00:50:26.445 - kind of work through some of these things in hopes to also have Great Kron brought into this mix eventually. 00:50:26.445 --> 00:50:33.941 - And if people want to come into the election office at this time to do things in person, where do they 00:50:33.941 --> 00:50:34.814 - need to go? 00:50:35.170 --> 00:50:40.805 - So it's going to be the same building. It's going to be 501 North Morton Street. We're going to be in 00:50:40.805 --> 00:50:46.329 - suite 203, and you're going to enter through door C. There are four doors to that same suite, but C 00:50:46.329 --> 00:50:52.074 - is the one that we're using primarily for public. It is going to be on the second floor, and then there 00:50:52.074 --> 00:50:57.709 - are signs that will point you to where voter registration is. You can see the very first sign as soon 00:50:57.709 --> 00:51:03.454 - as you get off the elevator or the stairs. And it's going to be on the left-hand side all the way down. 00:51:10.818 --> 00:51:18.785 - Are there no comments from the election board? No, sir. Hearing none, then I will take a motion to adjourn. 00:51:18.785 --> 00:51:26.384 - So moved. To recess. Are we going to adjourn or recess? We'll adjourn in that case. Okay. That's fine. 00:51:26.384 --> 00:51:33.835 - I will make the motion to adjourn. Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Same side. Thank you. 00:51:33.835 --> 00:51:36.638 - That meeting officially ends at 2 22.