WEBVTT 00:00:00.514 --> 00:00:07.767 - I believe the bell work there it is how's that how's that for timing I'm going to call the June 4th 00:00:07.767 --> 00:00:15.164 - 2026 election board meeting to order. We're going to modify slightly I'm going to ask Kylie to update 00:00:15.164 --> 00:00:19.806 - some election board minutes because we don't have them all yet. 00:00:20.610 --> 00:00:26.803 - Yeah, so we were talking about it within the office and have decided that it would be better to hold 00:00:26.803 --> 00:00:33.058 - off on the minutes until all of them are completed. And then we just approve them at the same time so 00:00:33.058 --> 00:00:39.313 - that we are up to date and don't have part of them now and part of them in July. And then in addition 00:00:39.313 --> 00:00:41.214 - to that, I do have a couple of 00:00:41.474 --> 00:00:48.766 - upcoming important dates that are coming up on us, one of which being June 18th, 2026 at noon. That 00:00:48.766 --> 00:00:56.423 - is the deadline for school board filing. Then June 30th, 2026 at noon is the independent and minor party 00:00:56.423 --> 00:01:04.006 - candidate petition filings. That is your deadline to get your first set of petitions within our office. 00:01:04.006 --> 00:01:09.694 - And then July 3rd, 2026 at noon is the last day to fill any ballot vacancies. 00:01:10.562 --> 00:01:19.124 - July 6th at noon is writing candidate filing. July 15th at noon is independent minor party candidate 00:01:19.124 --> 00:01:27.687 - filing. And then July 15th at noon is candidate withdrawal for the general election. That was a lot. 00:01:27.687 --> 00:01:36.418 - It's all in an email going to you guys. So I don't write that fast anymore. Thank you. You're welcome. 00:01:36.418 --> 00:01:40.318 - All right. And then we will adopt our agenda. 00:01:40.770 --> 00:01:49.428 - unless there are questions. We'll adopt the agenda starting with what we have as number four, establish 00:01:49.428 --> 00:01:58.003 - the hearing procedures. We'll go from there and Molly is going to take the lead on this for us. So for 00:01:58.003 --> 00:02:05.246 - the election board's review I drafted a resolution establishing hearing procedures and 00:02:05.346 --> 00:02:12.439 - The resolution currently states that it's specific to the hearings held on today's date, but if the 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:20.029 - board so wished to amend it, they could amend it to make the procedures for any future candidate complaint 00:02:20.029 --> 00:02:27.123 - hearings. I drafted this because it was advised by Indiana Election Division that it is recommended 00:02:27.123 --> 00:02:31.166 - to have some procedures in writing prior to the hearing. 00:02:31.362 --> 00:02:37.815 - plan on reading the resolution unless you would like me to, but I was going to summarize it. 00:02:37.815 --> 00:02:44.893 - Is that okay? We've read it, so a summary I think would work. So the procedures are that the election 00:02:44.893 --> 00:02:51.831 - chair would call the hearing to order, then any individual wishing to offer testimony would have to 00:02:51.831 --> 00:02:53.566 - be administered an oath. 00:02:53.794 --> 00:03:01.111 - The election board would then recognize the complainant. The complainant may present evidence and argument 00:03:01.111 --> 00:03:08.086 - to the election board for no more than 10 minutes unless the election board votes to allow additional 00:03:08.086 --> 00:03:15.130 - time to the presenter. If the complainant is not present, they could submit any written correspondence 00:03:15.130 --> 00:03:22.310 - that would be read at that time. And then it acknowledges that the burden of proving the complaint falls 00:03:22.310 --> 00:03:23.678 - on the complainant. 00:03:23.778 --> 00:03:29.869 - Thereafter, the board will recognize the candidate who's in question. The candidate may present evidence 00:03:29.869 --> 00:03:35.960 - to the board for no more than 10 minutes. However, if any extension of time afforded to the complainant, 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:41.819 - if the complaint was given more time, it is recommended that the candidate in question also be given 00:03:41.819 --> 00:03:47.852 - the same amount of time. Evidence or argument presented by the party should be directed at the election 00:03:47.852 --> 00:03:49.534 - board and not other parties. 00:03:49.698 --> 00:03:56.608 - This in essence wouldn't allow the candidate or the petitioner to cross examine each other. The election 00:03:56.608 --> 00:04:02.662 - board may ask individuals who offer testimony questions. However, if any questions is posed 00:04:02.662 --> 00:04:09.308 - to the complainant or the candidate, it would not count against their time frame. If the complainant 00:04:09.308 --> 00:04:15.955 - or the candidate offers documents or evidence, a copy must be provided to the election board for the 00:04:15.955 --> 00:04:17.534 - record for the hearing. 00:04:17.730 --> 00:04:26.581 - And then upon conclusion of the evidence, the board will close the hearing and therefore thereafter 00:04:26.581 --> 00:04:35.610 - discuss how to resolve the complaint. That is the procedures as written. Here, do we need a motion to 00:04:35.610 --> 00:04:44.639 - accept this? Do we need. Please. I move that we pass the resolution adopting procedures for a hearing 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:47.294 - to be held on June 4th, 2026. 00:04:50.050 --> 00:04:58.732 - Any discussion? You need to call a roll or can we do voice vote? This might be one where a roll is not 00:04:58.732 --> 00:05:07.582 - required, but I might recommend it. Ashley, please. Nicole Brown. Danny Shields. Yes. Penny Givens. Yes. 00:05:17.698 --> 00:05:30.735 - So now that we've adopted procedures I think what's next on the agenda is moving forward with the complaint 00:05:30.735 --> 00:05:44.254 - filed by Ms. Wheeler against Mr. Davis. So I can give a brief summary of that complaint. The election board was 00:05:45.346 --> 00:05:54.033 - We could either do it either way. We could officially call the hearing to order and then I could administer 00:05:54.033 --> 00:06:02.640 - the oath and then give a summary. That the way that flows is kind of up to you. OK, then I will officially 00:06:02.640 --> 00:06:11.006 - call the hearing to order. Do you want me to go ahead and proceed with a summary? OK, yes, yes, please. 00:06:14.882 --> 00:06:22.544 - The email was received from Ms. Karen Wheeler on April 28, 2026 that outlines one, two, three, four, 00:06:22.544 --> 00:06:30.662 - five. It looks like four potential election violations, and in summary that includes violations pertaining 00:06:30.662 --> 00:06:38.400 - to campaign signs without the required disclosure, electioneering inside the shoot, following a voter 00:06:38.400 --> 00:06:44.318 - after voting, and potentially misleading representation of legal credentials. 00:06:44.706 --> 00:06:55.829 - of the complaint was provided to the board as well as Mr Davis, who received certified notice of today's 00:06:55.829 --> 00:07:06.741 - hearing, along with a copy of that formal complaint. Unless there's questions on that summary, I think 00:07:06.741 --> 00:07:14.686 - we could proceed to the complainant providing or addressing her complaint. 00:07:18.178 --> 00:07:30.284 - I think we're ready to proceed. Is the complaintant here would like to address the board? Good afternoon. 00:07:30.284 --> 00:07:42.048 - I am Ms. Wheeler. Before you jump into it, I'm going to administer notes. So can you please state your 00:07:42.048 --> 00:07:44.446 - name? Karen Wheeler. 00:07:44.834 --> 00:07:52.438 - And Ms. Wheeler, do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to provide to the board 00:07:52.438 --> 00:07:59.966 - is the truth? I do. And then for the record, Ms. Wheeler has affirmatively taken an oath. And now I 00:07:59.966 --> 00:08:07.796 - proceed. OK, so I had the opportunity to see Joe Davis pretty much every day during the election, early 00:08:07.796 --> 00:08:14.270 - voting, because I work in that building and I would come outside and I would see him. 00:08:14.562 --> 00:08:23.579 - And pretty much every day, I really can't think of a day that it didn't happen, but I did not have the 00:08:23.579 --> 00:08:32.683 - disclaimer on his signs in the beginning in that he would very often go into the chute. He would follow 00:08:32.683 --> 00:08:41.787 - people to the door. He would also follow people afterwards and having walking them to the car or toward 00:08:41.787 --> 00:08:42.750 - their car. 00:08:43.682 --> 00:08:51.090 - He would, I saw him different times blocking people so they could not even get out of their car easily. 00:08:51.090 --> 00:08:58.783 - And for me, as a woman, that would be intimidating. No matter where you're at, you just don't want anybody, 00:08:58.783 --> 00:09:06.119 - but especially a man standing there that I can't even open my door without him moving. And I think the 00:09:06.119 --> 00:09:11.390 - voting can be intimidating enough. You don't need to have somebody that's 00:09:11.746 --> 00:09:18.941 - stopping the person to even get out of their car. I don't think this is illegal, but it was an irritant 00:09:18.941 --> 00:09:26.067 - that he would sweep the sidewalk and the parking lot pretty much every day, that there would be a dust 00:09:26.067 --> 00:09:32.985 - bowl. It would be an irritant if I was a voter coming through there. I mean, when I walked through, 00:09:32.985 --> 00:09:38.174 - it would make me cough. I mean, you don't want to walk into all this dust. 00:09:39.650 --> 00:09:49.617 - He claimed that he was a practicing jurist at law, and I'm not really for sure what that is, but it 00:09:49.617 --> 00:09:59.982 - didn't seem like it was accurate or it seemed confusing at best. He would also just do things that were 00:09:59.982 --> 00:10:08.254 - kind of bizarre from brushing his teeth on the sidewalk, and so I thought it was a 00:10:11.554 --> 00:10:19.913 - I think Monroe County is a great county and we really want to have the most accurate voting day that 00:10:19.913 --> 00:10:28.438 - we have from our early voting to election day itself and this just did not reflect I think what Monroe 00:10:28.438 --> 00:10:36.798 - County stands for. I think that would be probably all, probably one thing too that was just a little 00:10:36.798 --> 00:10:39.198 - bit different than this that 00:10:41.218 --> 00:10:47.954 - I mean, even in all of that, I was probably surprised that there wasn't any action toward him, and maybe 00:10:47.954 --> 00:10:54.498 - the procedure is that somebody has to come in and complain. But I was kind of surprised that Election 00:10:54.498 --> 00:11:00.978 - Central didn't do this, because if I saw it, they saw it. It took a long time. It was weeks into it, 00:11:00.978 --> 00:11:06.046 - and I thought it should have been handled much sooner. And that's probably it. 00:11:11.682 --> 00:11:22.297 - Just to answer that, respond to the last comment, short of calling the authority, the sheriff's department 00:11:22.297 --> 00:11:32.714 - I guess would be, is there anything that anyone in your office or election central could have done about 00:11:32.714 --> 00:11:39.262 - this? We did. Okay. I'm sorry, the lights on here keep going off. 00:11:39.394 --> 00:11:46.624 - So there were multiple in-person conversations before a formal written notice was given to him. It was, 00:11:46.624 --> 00:11:53.784 - I believe, the first Saturday of early voting was when the written formal statement saying that he was 00:11:53.784 --> 00:12:00.874 - not doing things that he was allowed to be doing. And that was after the first two conversations that 00:12:00.874 --> 00:12:02.334 - we had had with him. 00:12:04.322 --> 00:12:11.777 - Is it fair to say you had also called Indiana Election Division for guidance? Yes, and that's when they 00:12:11.777 --> 00:12:18.586 - said to just go ahead and do a written statement and then after that to then move forward with 00:12:18.586 --> 00:12:26.041 - law enforcement and you had also notified the party chair, correct? So there was nothing that you could 00:12:26.041 --> 00:12:32.062 - have done differently. Yes, ma'am. And if I may, since Miss Ferris has now provided 00:12:32.194 --> 00:12:39.809 - testimony to the board. I'm going to administer an oath. Can you please state your name? And Miss Ferris, 00:12:39.809 --> 00:12:47.352 - is the statements you just made to the board truthful? Yes. Miss Ferris has affirmatively taken an oath. 00:12:47.352 --> 00:12:54.536 - Thank you. I didn't mean to lead to that, ma'am. I was just asking. And I remember the form that we 00:12:54.536 --> 00:12:58.846 - got where he was. You probably shouldn't be doing this. And 00:13:02.626 --> 00:13:13.311 - there was one occasion where I left Election Central headed back to the Justice Building that I county 00:13:13.311 --> 00:13:24.099 - attorneys who was on his way to deliver the paperwork to Davis regarding this what you could be charged 00:13:24.099 --> 00:13:32.190 - with this is penalty that it carries and we stopped and spoke on on that date 00:13:37.890 --> 00:13:44.743 - I'd like to point out to the public, too, that we received copies of short videos of Mr. Davis, and 00:13:44.743 --> 00:13:51.596 - at one point he was in the ... Am I allowed to describe the video that was sent to us? Okay. And he 00:13:51.596 --> 00:13:58.586 - kept saying, I'm not electioneering. Well, I would point out that there were pictures of Mr. Davis on 00:13:58.586 --> 00:14:05.507 - his yard sign, and so it was very clear who he was to anybody who was coming to vote, that he was in 00:14:05.507 --> 00:14:06.878 - fact the candidate. 00:14:07.010 --> 00:14:19.745 - whether he wore a t-shirt or a sign that his picture was up there for everyone to see. My question was 00:14:19.745 --> 00:14:32.850 - that he was given notice that he wasn't supposed to be doing. And then the complaint is that it continued 00:14:32.850 --> 00:14:34.334 - after those 00:14:35.650 --> 00:14:41.626 - Yeah, so he had came into our office almost daily, stopping and talking to us. There were times that 00:14:41.626 --> 00:14:47.780 - he would go in through the entrance of early voting across upstairs to then go to one of the restrooms. 00:14:47.780 --> 00:14:53.757 - And we had spoke to him about him not being able to do that and to come around to the main entrance. 00:14:53.757 --> 00:14:59.674 - And after I would say probably three conversations was when I reached out to IED. And then that was 00:14:59.674 --> 00:15:05.118 - that Saturday, the first Saturday of early voting that we did the formal written statement. 00:15:12.098 --> 00:15:21.971 - So it seems like it took about two weeks before there was anything that was obviously done from election 00:15:21.971 --> 00:15:31.749 - to central when it was daily that it was happening. Where the signs changed, the thing about not having 00:15:31.749 --> 00:15:41.246 - a disclaimer on the sign, the first one I saw had the disclaimer on, and very big, it may not admit, 00:15:41.506 --> 00:15:48.761 - But are you saying that they were changed during early voting from originally? Did I misunderstand you 00:15:48.761 --> 00:15:56.016 - saying that? Personally, I don't know if I ever saw a disclaimer on there. I don't know if all of them 00:15:56.016 --> 00:16:03.483 - were changed. There was some that I was told were changed, but we're talking at least two weeks, probably 00:16:03.483 --> 00:16:08.766 - longer. And I also know that he had been told by multiple people, probably 00:16:09.666 --> 00:16:16.452 - Every candidate that was out there would say, don't go in the chute. Please don't sweep. Don't do this. 00:16:16.452 --> 00:16:23.369 - Don't follow the people. Please don't whatever it was. And he continued to do them. It's my understanding 00:16:23.369 --> 00:16:30.025 - also that the disclaimer has to actually use the word eight or by or paid by. And that was not on and 00:16:30.025 --> 00:16:36.745 - has to be in a certain size font, which I don't remember right now what that is. Twelve. I don't know. 00:16:36.745 --> 00:16:39.486 - I was I was reading the law this morning. 00:16:40.706 --> 00:16:47.321 - things like that, but it has to use those words. And from what I observed, his, later at least in the 00:16:47.321 --> 00:16:53.871 - campaign, did not use those words on them. I have a picture of one that has his name and his picture 00:16:53.871 --> 00:17:00.486 - without the disclaimer on there if you want to see it, if you haven't. All right, can we do that? Can 00:17:00.486 --> 00:17:07.036 - we look at it? If Ms. Willard is presenting it, yes, we'll just need a copy of it. Is it the picture 00:17:07.036 --> 00:17:09.630 - that you've already provided a copy of? 00:17:10.466 --> 00:17:16.832 - I'm pretty sure it is. Okay. I did not get up close to look at them. You know, I kind of stayed away 00:17:16.832 --> 00:17:23.134 - from what was going on out front as much as I could. Just I didn't want to get in the middle of it. 00:17:23.134 --> 00:17:27.294 - I would like to see a copy if that's I can just hand this to you. 00:18:09.666 --> 00:18:28.862 - make it bigger. This is not the way, but it'll work. 00:18:42.082 --> 00:18:50.159 - That's probably not the techiest way you've ever seen something looked at, but it got the job done, 00:18:50.159 --> 00:18:58.398 - okay? Mr. Chair, there was one instance, and I can't tell you like in terms of the first day of early 00:18:58.398 --> 00:19:06.475 - voting or within a week, but I was told that there was someone who had a medical emergency and that 00:19:06.475 --> 00:19:10.110 - Mr. Davis went inside of the chute to assist 00:19:10.338 --> 00:19:18.949 - the person who had a medical emergency. Obviously, it's clear that there was more than one incident. 00:19:18.949 --> 00:19:27.134 - When I heard that, anybody I would think following the Good Samaritan Law would step inside to, 00:19:27.134 --> 00:19:35.916 - you know, in terms of priority. So if we're going, if we're establishing how many times did he violate 00:19:35.916 --> 00:19:39.838 - the shoot policy, I could see extending great 00:19:40.226 --> 00:19:52.601 - if it was medical, everything else, obviously, that he was in deliberate. She testified that she saw 00:19:52.601 --> 00:20:04.977 - it happen more than once. Yes, and I'm agreeing that it happened more than once. But in terms of the 00:20:04.977 --> 00:20:07.550 - inference that there 00:20:08.258 --> 00:20:17.029 - Unwillingness to address the issue the first issue brought to my attention was there was a medical issue 00:20:17.029 --> 00:20:25.466 - and so I did not raise that if Someone had called him out for that. I again I was prepared to Send a 00:20:25.466 --> 00:20:32.734 - grace because any good Samaritan not be worried about that if someone were in distress 00:20:38.210 --> 00:20:45.075 - Procedurally, I think the question is, Ms. Wheeler, are you done with your presentation? Yes, I am. 00:20:45.075 --> 00:20:52.077 - And so at this point, based on the procedures adopted, unless the board has further questions for Ms. 00:20:52.077 --> 00:20:59.010 - Wheeler, we would offer Mr. Davis the opportunity to make a presentation. I would be fine with that. 00:20:59.010 --> 00:21:06.081 - I do not see Mr. Davis present. Mr. Davis received notice of the hearing via certified letter that was 00:21:06.081 --> 00:21:07.454 - mailed on May 15th. 00:21:07.650 --> 00:21:15.966 - He subsequently came into our office last week to pick up copies of the video and photos that were submitted 00:21:15.966 --> 00:21:23.749 - with the complaint. So I do believe he had knowledge of today's hearing and he's not here. I have not 00:21:23.749 --> 00:21:31.455 - received any written correspondence from him. That's Election Central. We have not received anything 00:21:31.455 --> 00:21:35.422 - in writing. He did stop by today. So at this point, 00:21:37.762 --> 00:21:46.683 - doesn't appear that Mr. Davis is here to present evidence, and so procedurally you can move with closing 00:21:46.683 --> 00:21:55.179 - the hearing and deliberate. No, no, I was going to say, I can't see everybody that is online, but I 00:21:55.179 --> 00:22:00.446 - also do not see a hand raised. I do not see Mr. Davis online. 00:22:07.650 --> 00:22:16.050 - that Mr. Davis is coming in the building right now. I don't see any reason to recess for two minutes. 00:22:16.050 --> 00:22:24.285 - If he comes directly upstairs we'll just. It may be beneficial to recess. That way I can explain to 00:22:24.285 --> 00:22:32.602 - Mr. Davis the procedures that we adopted because I don't know that he was here for that and so. Then 00:22:32.602 --> 00:22:37.214 - I will recess the meeting until we're ready to move on. 00:22:37.538 --> 00:22:45.890 - So can we say for five minutes? I would say sure. OK, thank you. 158. All right, I have 158. I will 00:22:45.890 --> 00:22:54.575 - call the meeting back to order. And we're waiting. Mr. Davis is in the building, we believe. I did have 00:22:54.575 --> 00:23:03.345 - a brief conversation with Mr. Davis and advised him of the procedures. And he advised me he was bringing 00:23:03.345 --> 00:23:05.182 - up more stuff. Quote. 00:23:05.442 --> 00:23:15.044 - I told Mr. Davis we were in recess and that he might have to address the board. He is not present. And 00:23:15.044 --> 00:23:24.460 - for clarity to address the board to get more time to get the stuff. If you folks back there see him, 00:23:24.460 --> 00:23:34.622 - we'd like to have if he wants to talk to us, he should like be here. Mr. Chair, may I? Yes, please go ahead. 00:23:36.930 --> 00:23:44.211 - While we were in recess, I did want to clarify a couple of things with the election supervisor. And 00:23:44.211 --> 00:23:52.075 - so what I understand, and Kylie, please correct me if I am wrong, the guidance that the election supervisor 00:23:52.075 --> 00:23:59.357 - received from the Indiana election division was that it is the party chair's responsibility to, for 00:23:59.357 --> 00:24:05.182 - lack of a better term, corral the candidate. The election supervisor did notify 00:24:06.466 --> 00:24:14.839 - The party chair and no action was taken, which is then why she went and got more guidance in the written. 00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:23.053 - So there were procedurally things, whether or not it was clear to anyone watching, the steps were taken 00:24:23.053 --> 00:24:25.502 - as recommended by the Indiana. 00:24:49.090 --> 00:25:14.358 - are times that an officiating career comes in. You know what I mean? No. I was called for 1.30. Everyone 00:25:14.358 --> 00:25:17.246 - in here has 00:25:17.986 --> 00:25:30.108 - things that in their life as well. So. Miss King, you are. We're reconvened, yes, absolutely. So now 00:25:30.108 --> 00:25:42.590 - would be the opportunity for the board to hear Mr Davis's presentation. If Mr Davis intends to present, 00:25:42.590 --> 00:25:45.950 - I will ask you to take your 00:25:46.082 --> 00:26:00.845 - at the podium and I will administer you an oath. You know we've had enough time. You can either make 00:26:00.845 --> 00:26:07.422 - your presentation or not that's your option. 00:26:16.034 --> 00:26:32.601 - Mr. Davis. Well, at the beginning of today's meeting, we adopted procedures that afford you 10 minutes 00:26:32.601 --> 00:26:45.630 - of presentation. All right. I'd like to read those, please. I see those. Is this 00:26:46.786 --> 00:26:56.968 - Can we just? You can. You these were out. These were available. OK, Mr. Davis, I have a copy for you, 00:26:56.968 --> 00:27:07.249 - but it in summary says that the complaint will be afforded 10 minutes. The candidate would be afforded 00:27:07.249 --> 00:27:13.438 - 10 minutes that the election board could ask questions. That. 00:27:15.330 --> 00:27:22.269 - time spent answering questions does not count to your 10 minute time frame. If you offer evidence you 00:27:22.269 --> 00:27:29.276 - have to provide a copy to the board and at the conclusion of the evidence the board closes the hearing 00:27:29.276 --> 00:27:36.214 - and therefore will after discuss the complaints. So at this time I think the board is indicating that 00:27:36.214 --> 00:27:43.085 - they are moving forward to the candidate's opportunity to present and so if you would like to make a 00:27:43.085 --> 00:27:44.990 - presentation can you please 00:27:45.122 --> 00:27:59.689 - take the podium so I can administer an oath and then your 10 minutes will start. Here are the adopted 00:27:59.689 --> 00:28:10.686 - procedures, sir. Can you please take the podium so I can administer an oath? 00:28:16.674 --> 00:28:27.965 - I think the board has not in recess, so they're asking you to proceed with the hearing so that it can 00:28:27.965 --> 00:28:40.030 - administer the oath. Mr. Davis, this is not helping your case. Okay. You had, it is time for us to continue. 00:28:42.786 --> 00:28:52.614 - It is highly appropriate. You have the same rules. Everyone else does. Without allowing me an opportunity 00:28:52.614 --> 00:29:01.978 - to read it. It was read into the minutes. We got it at 1.30. We didn't see you around there at 1.30. 00:29:01.978 --> 00:29:10.878 - You don't have to print it. She has copies of it. OK, but you adopted this while I was in here. 00:29:13.154 --> 00:29:21.182 - This was given to me. I can have an opportunity to read this. Would you administer the oath, please, 00:29:21.182 --> 00:29:29.369 - ma'am? Mr. Davis, if you need to be at the podium to administer the oath. You need to be at the podium 00:29:29.369 --> 00:29:33.502 - so she can administer the oath and we can continue. 00:29:42.914 --> 00:29:53.008 - as far as I'm concerned, this is cutting it. Are you doing the timing? I will start timing. Start the 00:29:53.008 --> 00:30:03.004 - 10 minutes. So that's going to cut in my time. Your 10 minutes has begun. I swear to tell the truth. 00:30:03.004 --> 00:30:12.702 - No, Mr. Davis, you have to be at a microphone to the law enforcement. Would you please remove the 00:30:12.962 --> 00:30:20.489 - that could be construed as weapons from the room. No, these are not weapons. These are my tools. Those 00:30:20.489 --> 00:30:28.162 - can't be used as weapons. I want them moved. No, these are my tools. They're my exhibits. You're looking 00:30:28.162 --> 00:30:35.470 - at my tools. These are my exhibits. They are not weapons. This officer has already talked to me and 00:30:35.470 --> 00:30:42.558 - said, please turn anyone's digits off today with your printers. Did she say that? She just said, 00:30:42.754 --> 00:30:50.728 - Do not approach anyone within. I'm not going to. They are there. They're going to stay exactly where 00:30:50.728 --> 00:30:58.938 - they're at. OK, OK, Mr. Davis, do you do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're going to provide 00:30:58.938 --> 00:31:06.911 - to the board today is truthful? Mr. Davis, do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're going to 00:31:06.911 --> 00:31:11.806 - provide today to the board is truthful? Sorry, what was that? 00:31:11.970 --> 00:31:20.671 - Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you're going to provide to the board today is truthful? 00:31:20.671 --> 00:31:29.287 - Yes, I do. This is for the record. Mr. Davis has now affirmatively taken an oath. It may proceed with 00:31:29.287 --> 00:31:37.566 - his presentation. OK, hello. My name is Joseph Bradley Davis. I ran for a clerk as Joe Davis and. 00:31:41.218 --> 00:31:49.356 - I attended, I was at every early voting session from the beginning all the way to the end. I camped 00:31:49.356 --> 00:31:58.307 - out basically at the area where early voting takes place, and it was a shambles. There was debris everywhere. 00:31:58.307 --> 00:32:06.608 - All over where the handicap parking was was a mess, so I took my time to clean up the property, clean 00:32:06.608 --> 00:32:10.270 - up the hardscape around, to prune the trees, 00:32:10.370 --> 00:32:19.181 - to make it hospitable so that voters could come and enjoy their day of voting instead of walking through 00:32:19.181 --> 00:32:27.991 - a litter covered environment with gravel that was hard to walk and branches and debris everywhere. Okay, 00:32:27.991 --> 00:32:36.466 - so I cleaned this up. I brought some of the rock and gravel that I cleared off of the parking lot in 00:32:36.466 --> 00:32:40.158 - the area where the handicapped parking was. 00:32:40.322 --> 00:32:52.469 - I took care of that place. Unlike my other candidates who were around, they just, they just candidized 00:32:52.469 --> 00:33:04.970 - in their chair for the most time. So at any rate, it's been alleged that I have violated several, several 00:33:04.970 --> 00:33:08.862 - items according to Karen Wheeler 00:33:10.050 --> 00:33:17.585 - and as written up in the and could I see some sort of a timer so I know where my ten minutes are? I'm 00:33:17.585 --> 00:33:25.046 - not going to turn and look at this. I'm sorry. I need to see something where I'm looking this way. I 00:33:25.046 --> 00:33:32.508 - can give you an audible alarm if you'd like, Mr. Davis. At what time would you like me to like a one 00:33:32.508 --> 00:33:39.230 - minute warning and a 30 minute second warning? At five minutes, three minutes, one minute, 00:33:39.458 --> 00:33:49.295 - 30 seconds and zero. Okay, and can we please back up the clock a little bit for this housekeeping? No, 00:33:49.295 --> 00:33:59.037 - we're moving on. Okay, first off, I wanna say that Penny Givens should recuse herself from sitting on 00:33:59.037 --> 00:34:05.150 - the board and someone else should fulfill her role because she, 00:34:05.314 --> 00:34:14.158 - is a biased individual who is not going to give me a fair hearing, especially she has had a hand in 00:34:14.158 --> 00:34:23.620 - two of these alleged allegations coming from Karen Wheeler. One of those is the sign. She was scrutinizing 00:34:23.620 --> 00:34:32.818 - my sign incredibly. She and the other whispering cabal, which is what I call them, Karen Wheeler, Penny 00:34:32.818 --> 00:34:35.294 - Givens, Tree, Martin Lucas, 00:34:35.426 --> 00:34:43.205 - There was another woman with frizzy gray hair. She was in one of those videos. Another guy, they were 00:34:43.205 --> 00:34:51.213 - always whispering about me while I was cleaning up around the place and obviously was trying to conspire 00:34:51.213 --> 00:34:59.068 - and come up with what they could do to bring me down because they are scared, especially after got 21% 00:34:59.068 --> 00:35:04.254 - of the vote, which is very good for a first time primary candidate. 00:35:04.354 --> 00:35:15.272 - You have five minutes remaining. Okay. So anyway, she scrutinized my sign, this sign right here. Okay. 00:35:15.272 --> 00:35:26.826 - And said that it is not compliant with the disclaimer. I'm sorry, but this is compliant with the disclaimer. 00:35:26.826 --> 00:35:28.734 - According to this 00:35:34.114 --> 00:35:50.250 - And it is actually, this is more like. It's way bigger than, I don't know, it's like a 60. Now just 00:35:50.250 --> 00:36:03.966 - an example. But this is the example. They have the same size one right here. By Joe. 00:36:09.698 --> 00:36:21.034 - since they paid me. It says paid by Joe. Okay. It says paid by Joe. This is the new one. I see that. 00:36:21.034 --> 00:36:32.594 - This is the old one. This was approved last election. I ran as a rival. Okay. And I put these stickers 00:36:32.594 --> 00:36:38.430 - on their last election. The picture that I received 00:36:39.394 --> 00:36:50.056 - It doesn't even say who took the picture as long as well as the videos. It didn't say anything about 00:36:50.056 --> 00:37:00.612 - the videos. That's one thing. Okay, so back to these issues. All right. Penny should recuse herself 00:37:00.612 --> 00:37:08.318 - or there should be an alternate. You have three minutes remaining. Okay. 00:37:08.482 --> 00:37:18.938 - Penny should recuse herself. There needs to be a different alternate because she also too accosted me 00:37:18.938 --> 00:37:29.496 - on the early voting day when I was telling voters that I am a practicing jurist at law, at law. I have 00:37:29.496 --> 00:37:35.646 - filed into eight causes or filed into eight different cases 00:37:35.778 --> 00:37:43.064 - Seven of those are my own cases, three of them gone to appellate court. I am a practicing jurist at 00:37:43.064 --> 00:37:50.495 - law. You are looking at just a smattering of my files right here, my law books. Many more, twice this 00:37:50.495 --> 00:37:58.291 - amount of law books are at home. Three times actually, I just brought some of them that are most relevant, 00:37:58.291 --> 00:38:04.702 - because I'm working on filing for the appellate court right now that's due today. Okay. 00:38:05.090 --> 00:38:12.630 - I am a practicing jurist at law. I never misrepresented myself. And Penny Givens stood there and told 00:38:12.630 --> 00:38:20.244 - me every time I said that, she was gonna stand right next to me and she was going to tell those people 00:38:20.244 --> 00:38:28.005 - that I was misrepresenting myself. When I told her what it said in Black's Law Dictionary, what a jurist 00:38:28.005 --> 00:38:32.958 - is, a jurist is a person who knows where to find the law and knows 00:38:33.186 --> 00:38:43.470 - how to find the case law that gives its finer detail, and that is what I am. I am a trained jurist at 00:38:43.470 --> 00:38:53.754 - law, and I have been practicing. I have now over 6,000 hours as a pro se litigant, as a self counsel. 00:38:53.754 --> 00:39:02.526 - I am here as my own counsel before you today. So it continues. Okay, so Karen Wheeler, 00:39:04.290 --> 00:39:18.323 - wrote that you have one minute remaining. Okay, Karen Wheeler wrote that I had been that I had been 00:39:18.323 --> 00:39:24.638 - talking with voters after leaving the voting 00:39:24.802 --> 00:39:33.128 - That's true, I have many friends who I talked to and walked with after they left. There were also people 00:39:33.128 --> 00:39:41.375 - who I missed who didn't go in and I wanted to make sure they knew who I was because I want them to vote 00:39:41.375 --> 00:39:50.019 - for me in the fall and so I broke no violations. One of the video in there, another video in there according 00:39:50.019 --> 00:39:54.142 - to shows that I am sweeping in the shoot area, yes, 00:39:54.274 --> 00:40:02.662 - That was after a bunch of debris and grass after a rain had fallen. I also did some pruning, but that 00:40:02.662 --> 00:40:10.885 - was before 8 a.m., before the polls opened. So there was no evidence in there of me running through 00:40:10.885 --> 00:40:19.108 - the chute or doing anything like that. How much time? That's the expiration of your time. Okay, one 00:40:19.108 --> 00:40:21.822 - more thing I want to say is that 00:40:23.234 --> 00:40:32.985 - I have witnesses that I wish to bring forward and they're going to need some time here. I would like 00:40:32.985 --> 00:40:42.639 - to confront Karen Wheeler. I would like to confront Tree Martin Lucas because she took at least one 00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:50.942 - of the videos and Karen Wheeler wrote these statements and so I want to ask her where 00:40:51.298 --> 00:40:59.108 - She got her information, and I want to ask who took the, and talk to whoever took this picture of my 00:40:59.108 --> 00:41:06.841 - sign. I need to be able to be allowed to confront my accusers or speak with them so we can get more 00:41:06.841 --> 00:41:15.270 - clear information about what is being alleged here. Mr. Davis, just a second, please. You may not completely 00:41:15.270 --> 00:41:20.606 - understand what we're doing here today, and I don't understand that. 00:41:21.922 --> 00:41:28.967 - What we're doing today is determining whether or not there is cause for us to push this along to a different 00:41:28.967 --> 00:41:35.559 - level of people that work on it. We are not in a position to make a finding of guilt nor innocence of 00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:42.022 - any of this, nor are we in a position to determine whether some fines or something would happen. We 00:41:42.022 --> 00:41:48.550 - are not in that position. We are not in a position to have to cross-examine witnesses here. That was 00:41:48.550 --> 00:41:51.006 - part of what we talked about earlier. 00:41:51.490 --> 00:41:57.829 - If I may Mr. Chair. Mr. Davis in the procedures adopted it says that evidence or argument presented 00:41:57.829 --> 00:42:04.168 - by the party should be directed at the election board and not other parties present at the hearing. 00:42:04.168 --> 00:42:10.698 - The procedures also afford a ten minute time frame for the candidate and complainant to offer evidence 00:42:10.698 --> 00:42:17.163 - and argument so unless the board would like to afford additional time to Mr. Davis as I think that is 00:42:17.163 --> 00:42:18.558 - what he is requesting 00:42:18.786 --> 00:42:26.781 - the presentation of witnesses would have been within that 10 minutes presentation. Go ahead and ask 00:42:26.781 --> 00:42:34.935 - the question when the date and time. I'm assuming Mr. Davis signed for the paperwork that was served. 00:42:34.935 --> 00:42:42.929 - I would have to check with the legal office if we got the green card back on the certified mailing, 00:42:42.929 --> 00:42:47.966 - but I do believe that we did. I mailed the letter on the 15th. 00:42:49.186 --> 00:42:58.837 - I raised that because. May the letter does specifically state that the hearings at June 4th, 2026 beginning 00:42:58.837 --> 00:43:07.951 - at 130 that that was exactly my point. Mr Davis in terms of. No one is trying to impede your right to 00:43:07.951 --> 00:43:16.976 - bring evidence, call witnesses or anything like that, but we all had notice that the meeting started 00:43:16.976 --> 00:43:18.942 - at 130 today. And so. 00:43:19.074 --> 00:43:29.910 - you took time, you were not here when the resolution was read. Had you come when the notice was given, 00:43:29.910 --> 00:43:40.851 - you would have heard the rules, so to speak, for today's hearing. So to kind of hold that over us feels 00:43:40.851 --> 00:43:43.902 - a little disingenuous to me. 00:43:48.066 --> 00:43:59.923 - Yeah, I think that's fair. May I interject though? I tried this morning to get a hold of the agenda 00:43:59.923 --> 00:44:11.780 - from County Legal. They directed me to Kylie Ferris. I went to Kylie and I asked her for the agenda 00:44:11.780 --> 00:44:16.286 - and she directed me back to Molly and 00:44:16.674 --> 00:44:24.710 - And so I, without having the agenda, I had no idea when my presentation would be. If this were, I assume 00:44:24.710 --> 00:44:32.976 - this was a standard election board meeting and there would be business to take care of. I didn't understand 00:44:32.976 --> 00:44:40.706 - that this is, it sounds like it's a special election board meeting. Then it's not a regular election 00:44:40.706 --> 00:44:41.854 - board meeting. 00:44:43.042 --> 00:44:51.463 - This is our regular meeting. This is our regular meeting. Okay. And we have and we voted at our meeting 00:44:51.463 --> 00:44:59.560 - when we certified the election results was at the time to just do the hearings today at the regular 00:44:59.560 --> 00:45:07.900 - meeting. So that was that has been May 15. Thank you that so May 15 that was made efficient. Okay, but 00:45:07.900 --> 00:45:12.030 - that but that no agenda was produced at that time. 00:45:12.514 --> 00:45:21.581 - I, as a presenter, had no idea about how the proceedings would be. I'm trying to understand. I wish 00:45:21.581 --> 00:45:30.830 - this morning to understand more fully how long this hearing would be because I knew that I would need 00:45:30.830 --> 00:45:40.259 - a substantial amount of time, not just 10 minutes, because this is very complicated. I am being accused 00:45:40.259 --> 00:45:41.438 - of potential 00:45:41.602 --> 00:45:56.441 - potential crimes, misdemeanors, felonies, fines, this is serious. And it seems like this is just a bunch 00:45:56.441 --> 00:46:06.334 - of trumped up stuff to kind of stop my current campaigning, honestly. 00:46:06.658 --> 00:46:16.215 - But I, again, I need, I ask kindly for some more time so that I can speak with Karen Wheeler and Penny 00:46:16.215 --> 00:46:25.957 - Martin Lucas. And actually Penny Givens, I would like to speak with Penny Givens as well. You're running 00:46:25.957 --> 00:46:30.782 - all around with, I made it very plain a moment ago. 00:46:31.042 --> 00:46:38.796 - Our job today is to determine whether or not we believe there's a substantial reason for us to push 00:46:38.796 --> 00:46:46.861 - this along to either the state police or the attorney excuse me the prosecutor and to some extent maybe 00:46:46.861 --> 00:46:54.693 - the attorney the state attorney general to determine whether or not election law violation occurred. 00:46:54.693 --> 00:46:57.950 - It's sweeping the sidewalk maybe a little 00:46:59.586 --> 00:47:08.472 - obtuse to what normally happens, sure, but it's not illegal. However, if indeed there were signs that 00:47:08.472 --> 00:47:17.270 - don't meet the requirement for the signs, that, sir, is illegal. And our job is to determine whether 00:47:17.270 --> 00:47:25.982 - or not we want to send this along for an investigation by those who are professional investigators. 00:47:26.210 --> 00:47:32.959 - I taught sixth grade. I'm well, I guess it was an investigator occasion that way, but I'm not a professional 00:47:32.959 --> 00:47:39.275 - investigator. OK, go ahead. If I may, Mr. Chair, for clarity, today's hearings being held pursuant to 00:47:39.275 --> 00:47:45.714 - Indiana Code 365 31, which is the investigation of election law violations. That code section says that 00:47:45.714 --> 00:47:52.030 - if a county election board determines there's substantial reason to believe an election law violation 00:47:52.030 --> 00:47:54.878 - has occurred, it shall make an investigation. 00:47:55.010 --> 00:48:00.422 - That's what you voted to do at the last hearing. In the judgment of the board, after affording due notice 00:48:00.422 --> 00:48:05.580 - and opportunity for a hearing, a person has engaged or is about to engage in an act or practice that 00:48:05.580 --> 00:48:10.839 - constitutes or will constitute a violation of a provision of this title, that title being the election 00:48:10.839 --> 00:48:16.302 - code, or a rule or order issued under this title, the board shall take the action it considers appropriate 00:48:16.302 --> 00:48:21.357 - under the circumstances, including referring the matter to the attorney general or the appropriate 00:48:21.357 --> 00:48:24.574 - prosecuting attorney. I'm reading that statute because I don't 00:48:25.730 --> 00:48:31.214 - It allows you to refer to the prosecutor or the attorney general or to law enforcement. But it says 00:48:31.214 --> 00:48:36.917 - whatever board action the board thinks is appropriate. Options are to say there's nothing here and it's 00:48:36.917 --> 00:48:42.510 - dead. Or we think there might be something here and we want to run it up the flagpole, as it were, to 00:48:42.510 --> 00:48:48.323 - people who make these decisions on a professional basis. Is that where we are? Those would be the options 00:48:48.323 --> 00:48:50.462 - of the board. That makes sense to you. 00:48:52.482 --> 00:49:00.111 - Mr. Chair, if I may go ahead with a couple of things, Mr. Davis, typically it is the election supervisor 00:49:00.111 --> 00:49:07.522 - does present make up the agenda for the board. She will reach out to each board member to say this is 00:49:07.522 --> 00:49:14.933 - what I have. And it follows a standard order calling to order old business, new business, things like 00:49:14.933 --> 00:49:21.182 - that. Typically, that does happen that the agenda this for this meeting was not made. 00:49:21.506 --> 00:49:31.780 - by the election supervisor. We learned two days ago, two days yesterday. We were waiting. I asked Kylie, 00:49:31.780 --> 00:49:41.957 - I said, I don't see an agenda. I had checked my email. I didn't see an agenda. And I said, can you just 00:49:41.957 --> 00:49:50.078 - do the standard one? But after our office closed it for we received the agenda for 00:49:50.370 --> 00:49:58.456 - today's meeting, so you're not receiving notice has nothing to do with my office because the election 00:49:58.456 --> 00:50:06.622 - supervisor did not. My second thing to you, the meeting started at 1.30 today. You were served notice. 00:50:06.622 --> 00:50:14.550 - We went over the rules of the road, so to speak, at 1.30. Had you been here as we were adopting the 00:50:14.550 --> 00:50:18.910 - resolution for that, we probably could have negotiated 00:50:19.202 --> 00:50:25.948 - more time for you. You get 10 minutes for each complaint and there's two complaints today. We could 00:50:25.948 --> 00:50:33.099 - have negotiated if you were like, I can't do it in 10 minutes for each case. I need 15. Do you understand 00:50:33.099 --> 00:50:39.980 - what I'm saying? We could have negotiated. You were not here. We call the meeting to order. We had no 00:50:39.980 --> 00:50:47.198 - idea even if you were coming because you were not in the audience or close by, we ended up being told that 00:50:47.394 --> 00:50:55.930 - it appeared you were coming in the front door. So we wanted to work with you. You were not here at 1.30 00:50:55.930 --> 00:51:04.302 - to work with us. Does that make sense to you? I'm very sorry. I had trouble printing over at the mill 00:51:04.302 --> 00:51:12.510 - and I got here as soon as I could. I had no telephone contact to reach out to anyone to announce my 00:51:12.898 --> 00:51:21.392 - late arrival. I'm very sorry. We still can negotiate this. It's not too late to negotiate for more time. 00:51:21.392 --> 00:51:29.562 - It sounded like you said there were two counts or charges or complaints and so there's 10 minutes. I 00:51:29.562 --> 00:51:38.057 - have 10 minutes for each complaint. That is correct. This is the first one. This is the first one. Which 00:51:38.057 --> 00:51:39.998 - I'm sorry. That was not 00:51:40.322 --> 00:51:48.983 - Explain to me. Earlier in the proceeding we called the hearing to order for the complaint filed by Ms. 00:51:48.983 --> 00:51:57.979 - Wheeler and that is the hearing that we're currently in. Once this hearing closes the board will determine 00:51:57.979 --> 00:52:06.724 - how to resolve that complaint and then open the hearing on the second complaint by Ms. McGarry. I would 00:52:06.724 --> 00:52:08.574 - like to make a motion 00:52:08.706 --> 00:52:26.949 - that we continue this hearing to one week from now so that these rules have some time to be applied 00:52:26.949 --> 00:52:38.078 - and also to such that I could submit a written documentation 00:52:38.498 --> 00:52:46.837 - to support my arguments, especially now that I know that I need to, I have to prepare two cases. One 00:52:46.837 --> 00:52:55.176 - case against the first complaint and now another case against the second complaint. It seems like it 00:52:55.176 --> 00:53:03.680 - would be appropriate for me to be able to have at least one week to be able to work on each individual 00:53:03.680 --> 00:53:07.230 - complaint. There's nothing in the original 00:53:07.330 --> 00:53:17.558 - a letter that says that I'm going to be presenting my argument against two complaints individually. 00:53:17.558 --> 00:53:28.399 - It's looked as if everything was just going to be lobbed together. This must have happened before. Aren't 00:53:28.399 --> 00:53:36.990 - there procedures or policies that could have been shared with me? Mr. Chair, may I? 00:53:37.154 --> 00:53:44.780 - request that we get the proof of service. I can ask my office to bring it up. I do believe that we received 00:53:44.780 --> 00:53:51.911 - proof of service back on May 21st. But if you give me a few seconds, I can run down and get it. That 00:53:51.911 --> 00:53:57.630 - would be great because so we will recess until you can get back up here with it. 00:54:06.018 --> 00:54:15.175 - I have in front of me the signed, I'm sorry, I'm gonna call us back, I'm so sorry, I should do it first. 00:54:15.175 --> 00:54:23.983 - I have in front of me the signed receipt for the certified mail with this copy dated 5-21-26. And as 00:54:23.983 --> 00:54:32.791 - I'm looking through it, it's the exact same, can you see it ma'am? It's the exact same thing that we 00:54:32.791 --> 00:54:34.622 - have in front of us. 00:54:37.090 --> 00:54:45.251 - So it would appear, sir, that you were given this and signed for it, including the code, the Indiana 00:54:45.251 --> 00:54:53.331 - code on May 21st. So, Mr. Chair, my point in that is that if he signed for that on May 21st, do you 00:54:53.331 --> 00:55:01.492 - remember that that you signed? Yes, I do. But I was not I did not receive any evidence at that time. 00:55:01.492 --> 00:55:04.158 - I only received the allegations. 00:55:05.218 --> 00:55:19.453 - The evidence that I received came from, whoops, from Molly just here. Okay, again, I think you're confusing 00:55:19.453 --> 00:55:32.765 - this as a hearing versus a court proceeding. We're having a hearing to decide if we believe there is 00:55:32.765 --> 00:55:35.006 - sufficient cause 00:55:36.098 --> 00:55:44.348 - evidence, and I hate to use the term in this, but sufficient reason for us to push these along to the 00:55:44.348 --> 00:55:52.840 - organizations that make these decisions. So that's where we are. So that's why we don't need, the people 00:55:52.840 --> 00:56:01.009 - that make the complaint get to speak, you get to speak, we make that in a succinct 10 minutes issue, 00:56:01.009 --> 00:56:03.678 - which I think is plenty of time, 00:56:03.874 --> 00:56:09.140 - For this if we were in a court of law and you needed three days that's between you and the lawyers and 00:56:09.140 --> 00:56:10.878 - the judge That's not where we are 00:56:12.226 --> 00:56:17.556 - Mr. Chair, and if I may for clarity, the letter sent to Mr. Davis does advise that there were videos. 00:56:17.556 --> 00:56:22.887 - It says additionally there are videos provided to the election board along with the complaint. Please 00:56:22.887 --> 00:56:28.165 - let County Legal know how you would like to receive a copy of these videos. The videos can either be 00:56:28.165 --> 00:56:33.443 - emailed to you and or provided on a flash drive. On May 27th I had not heard from Mr. Davis so I did 00:56:33.443 --> 00:56:38.825 - provide an email copy of the videos and then Mr. Davis did subsequently stop into the legal department 00:56:38.825 --> 00:56:41.438 - and I provided him a jump drive or a flash drive. 00:56:46.466 --> 00:56:55.252 - So for me, Mr. Davis, there was more than sufficient opportunity for you to reach out to an attorney 00:56:55.252 --> 00:57:04.385 - if you wanted representation to, it's clear in the letter to me that you, that there were two complaints 00:57:04.385 --> 00:57:14.302 - because parties are named in the letter. And so between May 21st, when you signed for it up to one o'clock today, 00:57:14.850 --> 00:57:23.748 - You had that opportunity if you wanted to make clear to the board. Or to the county attorney that you 00:57:23.748 --> 00:57:32.560 - required additional time, you were expecting you anticipated. And none of that happened prior to so. 00:57:32.560 --> 00:57:41.022 - Our time is as valuable as your time. He started this meeting on time, all the meeting to order. 00:57:41.570 --> 00:57:49.894 - resolution was read and accepted, and you would have been here to negotiate more time. I don't think 00:57:49.894 --> 00:57:58.218 - we're unreasonable. I think if you said 10 minutes is not enough, I need 15. I think that that was a 00:57:58.218 --> 00:58:06.789 - discussion, but that discussion would have happened at 130. Does that make sense to you? Given the fact 00:58:06.789 --> 00:58:10.910 - that I wasn't presented, I also just learned that 00:58:11.554 --> 00:58:21.715 - Karen Wheeler also, she already presented her evidence alleging that I was in violation. And so I have 00:58:21.715 --> 00:58:31.877 - not heard that. I have not been able to ask her of any questions. Obviously, it's very important that. 00:58:31.877 --> 00:58:41.150 - We are not cross-examining, number one. Number two, since she was the one with the complaint, 00:58:41.378 --> 00:58:50.191 - Her 10 minutes came to file at first. Had you been in here, you would have been able to listen to her 00:58:50.191 --> 00:58:58.830 - complaint. That's my point. I'm sorry, sir, this Poor, Poor Me stuff is not wearing well with me. I 00:58:58.830 --> 00:59:07.556 - appreciate what's happening here, but I'm like, everybody in here was here at 1.30. You chose not to 00:59:07.556 --> 00:59:09.630 - be for whatever reason. 00:59:11.938 --> 00:59:19.759 - I go back to some people saying, on time is 10 minutes late. And you make your own choice with that. 00:59:19.759 --> 00:59:27.502 - But truthfully to me, you're not helping your case right now. You're just not. I mean, our decision 00:59:27.502 --> 00:59:35.322 - is whether or not we believe there's sufficient reason to believe that a violation of state, I guess 00:59:35.322 --> 00:59:40.510 - we wouldn't get to federal law, state election code was committed. 00:59:42.786 --> 00:59:50.275 - I have different feelings personally on some of these will do this as a board. A required disclaimer, 00:59:50.275 --> 00:59:57.470 - state law. I mean, it's we don't have an option with that. If it's not there, it's not there. OK, 00:59:57.470 --> 01:00:04.446 - I mean, and the fact that some guy printed it said this is the legal thing. If it's not legal, 01:00:04.446 --> 01:00:06.942 - it's not legal. And Mr. So ahead. 01:00:07.554 --> 01:00:15.309 - Mr. Chair, I want to be clear that I understood at the beginning that if we have questions for him, 01:00:15.309 --> 01:00:23.218 - that does not count against his 10 minutes. We could now ask questions and he could respond, and that 01:00:23.218 --> 01:00:30.430 - would not be against 10 minutes. That's correct. Go ahead, if you have a question, ask that. 01:00:30.978 --> 01:00:37.604 - I don't want to belabor some of these, but for the instance where you've clearly brought saying that 01:00:37.604 --> 01:00:44.164 - you were doing landscaping, number one, I'm hopeful that you know that my office is not responsible 01:00:44.164 --> 01:00:51.052 - for the groundskeeping of Election Central. But number two, I checked with my election supervisor during 01:00:51.052 --> 01:00:58.334 - the recess to confirm. We never received a complaint that there was any kind of impediment to voters accessing 01:00:59.074 --> 01:01:05.809 - election central in the early voting site we never received a complaint that you couldn't get into the 01:01:05.809 --> 01:01:12.414 - door as you have alluded to in another public meeting I was there every day more than once some days 01:01:12.414 --> 01:01:19.215 - to and I never had an impediment getting into the building I never received a complaint my office never 01:01:19.215 --> 01:01:26.408 - received a complaint and I want to ask you directly did you make a complaint to someone about the landscaping 01:01:26.408 --> 01:01:28.958 - prior to utilizing the evidence you've 01:01:29.218 --> 01:01:36.483 - presented to us today. I'm sorry. Your question was, did you? I never received a complaint. I am not 01:01:36.483 --> 01:01:43.748 - aware of anyone in my office ever receiving a complaint that there were landscaping issues because I 01:01:43.748 --> 01:01:50.941 - could have made a call to the people that are responsible for the grounds keeping. I never received 01:01:50.941 --> 01:01:58.782 - a complaint. I'm asking, did you make a complaint to anyone? Because as you know, I take very seriously, um, 01:01:58.946 --> 01:02:09.618 - your inference that voters had impediment issues getting into and accessing the early voting site? Did 01:02:09.618 --> 01:02:20.704 - you make a complaint to anyone because I did not get one? Yes, I wouldn't call it a complaint. I addressed 01:02:20.704 --> 01:02:27.646 - the landscaping concerns with Richard Kreider, who is in charge of 01:02:27.778 --> 01:02:38.406 - you know, fleet and the buildings for the county, and also spoke with the young gentleman who takes 01:02:38.406 --> 01:02:49.246 - care of the landscape there. Typically, I just spoke with Richard Kreider yesterday again about this, 01:02:49.246 --> 01:02:52.222 - and at that time, normally, 01:02:52.578 --> 01:03:00.756 - The county Richard has nature's way to ongoing landscape maintenance at all but because of the construction 01:03:00.756 --> 01:03:08.403 - that had taken place and there was the New hardscaping. I don't know if you've seen the parking lot. 01:03:08.403 --> 01:03:15.975 - It looks awesome I mean I cleaned up so much gravel and debris there where it was unsafe in the for 01:03:15.975 --> 01:03:18.398 - the handicapped parking but but 01:03:18.754 --> 01:03:27.210 - I worked with the young gentleman who did the mowing and I helped him sweep back the grass clippings 01:03:27.210 --> 01:03:35.750 - and after the storms brought down branches and they were hanging into the way. Then I asked the young 01:03:35.750 --> 01:03:44.290 - gentleman again if he could prune that and then Richard came by and he snapped off a branch to get it 01:03:44.290 --> 01:03:45.630 - out of the way. 01:03:45.730 --> 01:03:53.963 - And but he snapped it off. He didn't cut it. So I told him that I would come back and Make a clean cut 01:03:53.963 --> 01:04:02.115 - with my loppers so that the branch would heal You know instead of having a splintered end and so then 01:04:02.115 --> 01:04:07.710 - that next morning I did come back at about 740 and I pruned out those 01:04:07.810 --> 01:04:18.503 - a few dead branches and things like that, and then was sweeping up then. So I just wanted to, you know, 01:04:18.503 --> 01:04:28.784 - like that was the, I just bring this up because I didn't feel that it was necessary to contact your 01:04:28.784 --> 01:04:33.822 - office to maintain the area around the building. 01:04:34.018 --> 01:04:45.670 - that's not your responsibility. I contacted Richard Kreider directly. He's the man who sends out the 01:04:45.670 --> 01:04:57.321 - directives then. That's the reason why. And so I bring this up because in one of the videos that was 01:04:57.321 --> 01:04:58.590 - presented, 01:04:58.690 --> 01:05:07.810 - which alleges that I was in the shoot, you know, electioneering, I'm clearly just walking with my broom 01:05:07.810 --> 01:05:16.843 - and sweeping, and I wanted to show why I had these tools with me all the time, trying to make it safe. 01:05:16.843 --> 01:05:25.700 - Molly, does the Indiana code about electioneering inside the shoot say a candidate is not allowed to 01:05:25.700 --> 01:05:27.454 - be inside the shoot 01:05:27.810 --> 01:05:35.569 - Unless they are cleaning the side. And my point being, if it says she can't be in there, doesn't see 01:05:35.569 --> 01:05:43.713 - it says can't be in there in the story. You can't be in there. You can't be in there. The the law. That's 01:05:43.713 --> 01:05:51.626 - why I'm asking the law itself. I'm asking our attorney. There are three separate statutes that I think 01:05:51.626 --> 01:05:53.854 - are applicable to the shoot. 01:05:54.114 --> 01:06:00.145 - The first one is Indiana Code 314.316, which does involve electioneering within 50 feet of the polls. 01:06:00.145 --> 01:06:06.414 - Electioneering, by statute, means a verbal statement displaying a written statement or indicating support 01:06:06.414 --> 01:06:12.386 - or opposition to a candidate, political party, or public question appearing on the ballot or wearing 01:06:12.386 --> 01:06:18.358 - or displaying an article of clothing, sign, button, or placard that states the candidate's name. And 01:06:18.358 --> 01:06:21.374 - then it lists out what constitutes electioneering. 01:06:22.594 --> 01:06:28.343 - and it says a person who knowingly does any electioneering on election day within the polls or the shoot 01:06:28.343 --> 01:06:34.036 - before election day within the office of the circuit court clerk or satellite office of the court fifty 01:06:34.036 --> 01:06:39.511 - feet of the entrance to the office uh... except for a voter who is and then it lists out exceptions 01:06:39.511 --> 01:06:44.986 - and that would be a class eight misdemeanor so no you cannot electioneer in the shoot however there 01:06:44.986 --> 01:06:47.614 - are two other separate statutes that pertain to 01:06:47.778 --> 01:06:54.546 - presence in the shoot. So Indiana code 314 315 is entitled unauthorized person entering into or remaining 01:06:54.546 --> 01:07:00.931 - near the polls. A person not authorized by this title who recklessly enters the polls enters within 01:07:00.931 --> 01:07:07.508 - the railing leading from the challenge window or door to the entrance of the polls without having been 01:07:07.508 --> 01:07:13.957 - passed by the challengers or having been sworn in or remains within the polls or within the shoot in 01:07:13.957 --> 01:07:16.958 - violation of 311 815 311 816 commits a class C 01:07:17.186 --> 01:07:23.576 - infraction and then there's language on how it gets enhanced to a misdemeanor. Indiana code 311816 is 01:07:23.576 --> 01:07:29.841 - entitled persons allowed in and around poll shoots. A person may not remain within a distance equal 01:07:29.841 --> 01:07:36.481 - to the length of the shoot as defined by Indiana code of the entrance of the polls except for the purpose 01:07:36.481 --> 01:07:42.809 - of offering to vote. And so there are statutes that pertain to electioneering in the shoot but there 01:07:42.809 --> 01:07:47.006 - are separate statutes that pertain to presence in the shoot alone. 01:07:48.418 --> 01:07:55.643 - So Mr. Chair, my point being as the board may recall, Mr. Crider was coming to regular election board 01:07:55.643 --> 01:08:02.938 - meetings and offering updates for what was going on with respect to getting election central ready for 01:08:02.938 --> 01:08:10.234 - early voting. He was very thorough, very competent, and I never once recall his saying that there were 01:08:10.234 --> 01:08:17.246 - landscaping issues and grounds keeping issues that would hinder a voter's ability to access again. 01:08:17.602 --> 01:08:25.400 - I was there every day, sometimes more than once per day, and I did not observe anything like that. It 01:08:25.400 --> 01:08:33.274 - also concerns me that anyone would take it upon themselves, rather than report the concern, would take 01:08:33.274 --> 01:08:41.301 - it upon themselves, because that would bring liability. They could have gotten hurt, and then the county 01:08:41.301 --> 01:08:46.270 - would have been liable for them getting hurt on county property. 01:08:46.562 --> 01:08:54.893 - That's my point about that. And I know that you want to move on and I have. Well, Kylie, did you get 01:08:54.893 --> 01:09:03.306 - our early voting workers? Let's just nicely say I've been around the sun a few times. Did they any of 01:09:03.306 --> 01:09:11.801 - them give you any complaints about it being difficult to get into work? No, zero. No. OK. I would like 01:09:11.801 --> 01:09:15.678 - to add that's because I took care of business. 01:09:16.290 --> 01:09:27.998 - Point noted. Yes, ma'am. At this point, I would like just that we close the hearing on this complaint 01:09:27.998 --> 01:09:40.510 - and hold our board deliberation so that we. I can complain. I would like to make a motion. No, sorry, sorry. 01:09:43.970 --> 01:09:54.124 - I don't like to be in exclusive clubs very often with this is an exclusive club of three right now. 01:09:54.124 --> 01:10:04.684 - I would, I'll second that, that we move, we discuss and then decide where to go. Ashley, would you call 01:10:04.684 --> 01:10:13.214 - the roll since this is what we're doing, please? Thank you. Okay. Ashley, go ahead. 01:10:13.922 --> 01:10:23.659 - Nicole Brown? Yes. Danny Shields? Yes. Penny Gibbs? Yes. So again, to clarify what we're doing, we decide 01:10:23.659 --> 01:10:32.845 - whether or not we believe there is sufficient evidence that a law may have been violated and should 01:10:32.845 --> 01:10:43.134 - we move it to an investigative body to make a decision as to whether or not they think charges should be filed. 01:10:43.362 --> 01:10:51.494 - Is that a succinct enough? I think I can simplify looking at IC 365 31. The board can one take no action 01:10:51.494 --> 01:10:59.548 - on the complaint if you believe that in this case Miss Wheeler did not prove her allegations. You could 01:10:59.548 --> 01:11:07.292 - forward it to the prosecutor who then inevitably will forward it to the state police, I believe. So 01:11:07.292 --> 01:11:12.094 - you could just say forward it to the prosecutor or you could. 01:11:13.634 --> 01:11:21.248 - Admonish issue an admonishment to the candidate and do nothing further. The statute is really broad 01:11:21.248 --> 01:11:28.937 - in the language. It says take the action to the board considers appropriate under the circumstances. 01:11:28.937 --> 01:11:36.627 - Might I suggest we do? I was thinking so, yeah, that was my thought was one at a time. I mean, so do 01:11:36.627 --> 01:11:40.510 - you want me to read the first one? Well, you know, 01:11:40.962 --> 01:11:52.339 - Do you have any thoughts before we go into that, ma'am? I'll say them until we get to each other. Okay. 01:11:52.339 --> 01:12:04.154 - Okay. But we've all got them. So in my belief, in my view, we do have enough to move on with the disclaimer 01:12:04.154 --> 01:12:10.718 - on the signs, just because I don't think it meets the code. 01:12:11.938 --> 01:12:19.487 - I'm sorry. The disclaimer on the signs. I don't believe I question whether it meets the code. And I 01:12:19.487 --> 01:12:27.111 - would like someone who someone else to make that determination. Someone who makes that on their own. 01:12:27.111 --> 01:12:34.810 - Jeremy White Rabbit said that you could you could talk to him. Jeremy White Rabbit does not make this 01:12:34.810 --> 01:12:40.094 - decision. The prosecutor or the state police will make this decision. 01:12:40.994 --> 01:12:49.281 - You may be a wonderful person. I have no idea. It's not your turn to talk, sir. I would especially like 01:12:49.281 --> 01:12:57.409 - for it to be pointed out that both sides of a sign must have that disclaimer if they are presented to 01:12:57.409 --> 01:13:05.776 - the public. And as I look at the sign at the table there right now that says write in Joe Davis, there's 01:13:05.776 --> 01:13:10.238 - no disclaimer on the side that says write in Joe Davis. 01:13:10.754 --> 01:13:24.226 - So I hope that they, excuse me, sir, I'm speaking. I would like to put it on record that we asked that 01:13:24.226 --> 01:13:37.436 - whoever reviews this, review that specific sign for its. So is that, well, okay. When we've had sign 01:13:37.436 --> 01:13:39.006 - complaints, 01:13:39.138 --> 01:13:46.318 - previous incarnations of the election board have had signed complaints. The candidate was given 01:13:46.318 --> 01:13:53.946 - an opportunity to put the disclaimer on there. It appears to me that that's what he is saying that he 01:13:53.946 --> 01:14:01.650 - did. Can you turn your sign around? Her point is that it's not on both sides. I see this. Can you turn 01:14:01.650 --> 01:14:09.054 - it around so we can see if you put it on both sides? Can we see the backside of that sign, please? 01:14:09.346 --> 01:14:15.727 - This sign, I removed the old stickers because of the rain was on there. I just put new stickers, new 01:14:15.727 --> 01:14:22.107 - stickers and new, see how this is updated? This is an example of what we're asking you to see is the 01:14:22.107 --> 01:14:28.235 - backside of this. I didn't want to cover this up so that you can see what it looked like before. 01:14:28.235 --> 01:14:34.616 - That's all. This is a new, this sign wasn't at early. This was not, okay, but. This is an example. I 01:14:34.616 --> 01:14:36.574 - brought this in as an example. 01:14:36.802 --> 01:14:45.006 - So your contention is that both sides of any sign that was at Election Central had this on each side? 01:14:45.006 --> 01:14:53.129 - If it was a sign that was going to be visible from both the front and the back, yes, I did. I did do 01:14:53.129 --> 01:15:01.172 - both sides. I only brought this today as an example of what it looked like. But all my other signs, 01:15:01.172 --> 01:15:06.078 - after all the rain, the paper came off and I slowly replaced 01:15:08.866 --> 01:15:17.327 - started to replace them. Now is that the one under the QR code that says paid for by Joe? Yes. Okay 01:15:17.327 --> 01:15:26.126 - now for me and I'm a woman getting older by the day the paid for by Joe does not appear to be something 01:15:26.126 --> 01:15:34.586 - that would stand out so that you could distinguish it you have to be able to to read that and so me 01:15:34.586 --> 01:15:37.886 - walking by that sign to go in and vote 01:15:38.530 --> 01:15:46.821 - I would not be clear that it was paid for by Joe. This is very visible. But do you see my point under 01:15:46.821 --> 01:15:55.030 - your QR code? Yes, but it is much larger than 12 point. The law says that it needs to be 12 point or 01:15:55.030 --> 01:16:03.321 - it says that it can be seven point if there's high contrast between the background caller and the new 01:16:03.321 --> 01:16:07.710 - caller. And I'm saying I don't see the high contrast. 01:16:07.938 --> 01:16:16.326 - That's why I say I took both. I can show you, if you put this right next to the paid for by Joe, the 01:16:16.326 --> 01:16:24.713 - font size is exactly the same. I'm not disputing the font size. Well, what I'm trying to say is this 01:16:24.713 --> 01:16:34.014 - is much larger font technically than what the state law requires. If you look at other candidate signs, they're 01:16:34.178 --> 01:16:42.368 - paid for by the committee to elect whatever it's very very small very small. The thing is nobody filed 01:16:42.368 --> 01:16:50.319 - a complaint against their side so that's that's a point that is so. But also election law says that 01:16:50.319 --> 01:16:53.182 - the contrast has to occur. If I may 01:16:53.378 --> 01:17:00.326 - Yes, board. The hearing was closed at this point. So this is board deliberation. So I don't know if 01:17:00.326 --> 01:17:07.692 - you're right. Thank you. Opening the reopening the hearing minutes ago. Sorry. You said this five minutes 01:17:07.692 --> 01:17:14.640 - ago. Throw throw something at me if you need to. Well, then my my deliberation for the board in the 01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:20.894 - same way you could not put Navy blue black, a black background, because who would be able 01:17:21.026 --> 01:17:30.881 - to differentiate or distinguish that, then I am concurring that there is at least some evidence that 01:17:30.881 --> 01:17:40.735 - the required, the statute for the required disclaimer have not been met. I concur. I suggest that we 01:17:40.735 --> 01:17:50.590 - forward that for. Okay, are we doing just number one right now? Yes. So do we have a motion that we, 01:17:51.298 --> 01:17:58.760 - I think you can simplify it and do one motion and just identify that you would like to forward the complaint 01:17:58.760 --> 01:18:05.879 - to the prosecutor and numbers one, three. OK, fine. That works. I think it's technically one complaint. 01:18:05.879 --> 01:18:12.999 - She's just subcategories in a sub. OK, so numbers one, two, three. OK, so going forward and it's either 01:18:12.999 --> 01:18:19.982 - yes or no. OK, they decide. You mean on all four of them? I'm perfectly fine doing it with just doing 01:18:19.982 --> 01:18:21.214 - all four at once. 01:18:21.442 --> 01:18:29.653 - And so a motion would be. If should it go to the prosecutor or does this go to the state police if we're 01:18:29.653 --> 01:18:37.864 - going to move it forward? I think you could make a motion to for the complaint for further investigation 01:18:37.864 --> 01:18:45.763 - to the prosecutor and then if the prosecutor's office wishes to send it to the state police, which I 01:18:45.763 --> 01:18:50.142 - believe they will, that would be their decision. Moved. 01:18:53.858 --> 01:19:00.434 - Any other discussion? I don't know if you caught that, Ashley, but the clerk seconded it. Her mic didn't 01:19:00.434 --> 01:19:06.947 - light up. That's the only reason I said that. So yeah, Ashley, would you call the roll? OK, let me make 01:19:06.947 --> 01:19:13.397 - sure what we're voting on. We are voting to send the complaint to the prosecutor's office to determine 01:19:13.397 --> 01:19:20.286 - whether or not the prosecutor wants to send it on to the appropriate authority, most likely the state police. 01:19:21.602 --> 01:19:34.725 - Yes, that would be. That's what a motion is. OK, now, Ashley, please. Nicole Brown. Yes. Danny Shields. 01:19:34.725 --> 01:19:48.606 - Yes. Penny Giddens. Yes. So now we will open. Second one with. Some of Gary. Oh, yeah, so we're going to let. 01:19:49.378 --> 01:19:56.778 - So the hearing regarding the complaint for Ms. McGarry is now open by the chair. We received an email 01:19:56.778 --> 01:20:04.034 - to summarize this complaint an email correspondence was received I'm trying to look up the date but 01:20:04.034 --> 01:20:06.718 - an email correspondence was provided 01:20:06.818 --> 01:20:14.632 - a written note by Ms. McGarry and the note indicates that Ms. McGarry came to vote on April 30th about 01:20:14.632 --> 01:20:22.445 - 1.15 p.m. and she had walked from the handicapped space in the lot and was approached as I reached the 01:20:22.445 --> 01:20:30.031 - corner of the building. I was approached by candidate for clerk Joe Davis who talked quickly and at 01:20:30.031 --> 01:20:32.990 - length and I tried to continue walking 01:20:33.890 --> 01:20:40.296 - I'm sorry, Ms. McGarry, I'm having difficulty reading your handwriting and that's a total me issue. 01:20:40.296 --> 01:20:46.766 - Would you like me to do that? I made a living reading this kind of handwriting. I mean, I don't even 01:20:46.766 --> 01:20:53.300 - know if you want to read the complaint. In essence, we received the complaint. The board has received 01:20:53.300 --> 01:20:59.706 - the copy of the complaint. Mr. Davis has received a copy of the complaint and the complaint details 01:20:59.706 --> 01:21:03.422 - Ms. McGarry's interaction with Mr. Davis. Unless you have 01:21:03.554 --> 01:21:11.328 - questions on that summary, procedurally we can move to having the complainant offer testimony. I think 01:21:11.328 --> 01:21:19.102 - that's a great idea. Before I administer an oath, Ms. McGarry, is it easier for you to offer testimony 01:21:19.102 --> 01:21:26.725 - from there without standing at the podium? Well, we're going to need you to pick it up on mic, but I 01:21:26.725 --> 01:21:31.102 - can make this easier. Look, it's moving. OK, Ms. McGarry, 01:21:31.522 --> 01:21:41.036 - Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to provide to the board will be truthful? Yes, 01:21:41.036 --> 01:21:50.363 - I do. So I'm not. I mean. Do you want me to repeat what I wrote? I don't know necessarily repeating 01:21:50.363 --> 01:21:59.038 - it is needed. I just. Since you've told us in your own words, what happened? Would you just? 01:21:59.202 --> 01:22:09.303 - I hate to elaborate a little bit for us. I would be glad to. He did not. He approached me after I got 01:22:09.303 --> 01:22:19.503 - out of my car. I parked in the handicapped. This is prior to voting prior to voting. Thank you and and 01:22:19.503 --> 01:22:27.326 - he. I felt like he'd latched himself onto me was telling me his background and 01:22:27.522 --> 01:22:39.013 - telling me a lot of terrible things about the clerk's office and why it needed new blood and so forth. 01:22:39.013 --> 01:22:50.727 - And I kept saying, I don't want to talk to you. But he followed me around the corner toward the entrance 01:22:50.727 --> 01:22:57.086 - to the building. And I finally somehow got disconnected. 01:22:57.218 --> 01:23:06.499 - And he immediately went over to a tall man standing there and started to talk to him. And that man turned 01:23:06.499 --> 01:23:15.255 - his back to him. And he went to a shorter man in a little polo shirt and started talking to him. So 01:23:15.255 --> 01:23:24.098 - he was talking to him when I walked into the building. As soon as I walked into the building, I made 01:23:24.098 --> 01:23:26.462 - a complaint because I felt 01:23:26.754 --> 01:23:50.101 - I felt it was inappropriate to be on my way. I think she called it the shoot. And being approached so 01:23:50.101 --> 01:23:56.510 - insistently by a candidate. 01:23:56.610 --> 01:24:06.805 - After I voted, and I was told a lot of people were complaining, they weren't sure what they could do 01:24:06.805 --> 01:24:17.707 - about it. But I voted, and before I left, she asked if I would mind writing a statement. And the statement, 01:24:17.707 --> 01:24:26.590 - as was read, I was voting at the end of early voting, so a lot of your conversation was 01:24:26.818 --> 01:24:38.547 - what was going on at the beginning. But when I drove, when I left the building after writing my statement, 01:24:38.547 --> 01:24:49.617 - got in my car and drove to the exit to the street, he was still talking to the same short man in the 01:24:49.617 --> 01:24:55.646 - polo shirt. Clearly the man wanted him to talk to him. 01:24:56.866 --> 01:25:06.011 - I still felt it's right outside the steps to the building. And saying the things to this man that he 01:25:06.011 --> 01:25:15.065 - was saying to me, it was definitely electioneering. Are you asserting it was inside the shoot area? 01:25:15.065 --> 01:25:24.209 - Do you do you remember seeing where the shoot was marked off? The shoot was not marked off as far as 01:25:24.209 --> 01:25:26.654 - I could tell. But this was 01:25:27.138 --> 01:25:42.460 - This was within two feet of the steps into the building. Do you feel intimidated by Mr. Davis? 01:25:42.460 --> 01:25:54.718 - Very much. I felt trapped. I'm a regular voter. I used to be a poll worker. 01:25:55.426 --> 01:26:05.343 - This was just something I had never seen or experienced before. May I just clarify two feet from you? 01:26:05.343 --> 01:26:15.261 - You left your car. You walked toward the east entrance of Election Central. Yes. Two feet of the door 01:26:15.261 --> 01:26:17.886 - or two feet from the curb. 01:26:20.130 --> 01:26:30.028 - Do you see what I'm saying? He approached me in the park while I was still beside the parking lot and 01:26:30.028 --> 01:26:39.829 - walked with me till the point where I turned the corner of the building to go up the steps. Turn the 01:26:39.829 --> 01:26:46.622 - corner of the building. So like I said, the chute was not marked, but 01:26:48.770 --> 01:26:55.248 - So I don't know where the shoot was or wasn't. Well, unless it was raining, had rained up the marks, 01:26:55.248 --> 01:27:02.175 - then the shoot was marked. Correct. Every day. So it may have been, that would indicate to me that probably 01:27:02.175 --> 01:27:08.589 - it was for what we would consider the shoot area. Where did the shoot start? 50 feet from the door. 01:27:08.589 --> 01:27:15.259 - Basically, when you came out of... Oh, he was talking to me well within 50 feet of the door. So because 01:27:15.259 --> 01:27:16.414 - the candidates... 01:27:17.090 --> 01:27:23.522 - are outside of the 50 feet. Yes. So you're saying that when he was speaking with you, you had passed 01:27:23.522 --> 01:27:30.019 - all of the other candidates running for office. I didn't see any other candidates running for office. 01:27:30.019 --> 01:27:36.578 - The day that you had the day that you came, there were no other candidates. And I didn't see any other 01:27:36.578 --> 01:27:43.074 - signs. But I came from the parking lot. Signs may have been along the street. I don't know. They both 01:27:43.074 --> 01:27:43.966 - wait. But the 01:27:47.010 --> 01:27:55.000 - So the signs would. So you're saying I didn't see any signs. I didn't see any people. Except him, 01:27:55.000 --> 01:28:03.317 - except him. And so for me, I'm trying to figure out how close she was to the door at the time. And it 01:28:03.317 --> 01:28:11.470 - sounds to me like you're saying you were closer to the door than not. If he's saying 50 feet is the 01:28:11.470 --> 01:28:15.710 - shoot, I was well within 50 feet. The shoot started 01:28:16.322 --> 01:28:23.764 - Kylie, correct me. Roughly. 10 or 12 feet from the actual door to the building. Because we had that 01:28:23.764 --> 01:28:31.578 - space that that inner space OK, so it would have been 50 feet from the door. I would say it was probably 01:28:31.578 --> 01:28:39.392 - 10 feet from the edge of the curb to where that 50 foot line would have started. But let's also be clear 01:28:39.392 --> 01:28:46.238 - there were some signs that we were authorized to have there. The directional signs correct? 01:28:47.010 --> 01:28:54.743 - Mm hmm. And that had been a whole thing where it was with this. There was to the to the left. I don't 01:28:54.743 --> 01:29:02.324 - know how to describe it. It looked like a flower cart or something. OK, so were you were you closer 01:29:02.324 --> 01:29:10.056 - to the door than the flower cart? Because I remember so closer to the door than the flower cart would 01:29:10.056 --> 01:29:15.742 - be within the 50 feet. We all remember. Remember the flower. A blonde lady 01:29:16.130 --> 01:29:23.899 - by the flower cart. I don't know who she was. We've got a timer. We've done our 10 minutes, correct? 01:29:23.899 --> 01:29:31.668 - Okay, all right. No. We haven't? Okay, you started. Yeah, I started the timer. Sorry. That's timing. 01:29:31.668 --> 01:29:39.899 - That's climbing up. I do have another question for Ms. McGarry, but also thank you for in the past working 01:29:39.899 --> 01:29:45.822 - as a poll worker. It's appreciated by all of us, I'm sure. Did you feel like 01:29:46.050 --> 01:29:56.636 - Mr. Davis impeded you from actually even exiting your vehicle. No, he was. He came toward me after I 01:29:56.636 --> 01:30:07.223 - got out of my car. But that was the handicapped spaces were certainly not within what you're calling 01:30:07.223 --> 01:30:09.214 - the correct. Yeah. 01:30:12.866 --> 01:30:21.769 - I'm more concerned about the potential for voter intimidation than I am for whether or not it was actually 01:30:21.769 --> 01:30:30.173 - inside the shoot. I'm in agreement with you on that. Is there anything else you want to add? No, no. 01:30:30.173 --> 01:30:38.910 - Then start to 10 start Mr Davis is 10 minutes. Sorry, go ahead. It's not started yet. Before we do that, 01:30:38.910 --> 01:30:41.822 - Miss Ferris did provide testimony. 01:30:41.986 --> 01:30:47.430 - during that hearing, so I'm just going to ask her, was the oath that you were previously administered 01:30:47.430 --> 01:30:52.820 - in the first hearing, were you adhering to that oath during this hearing? Yes. All right. Mr. Davis, 01:30:52.820 --> 01:30:58.317 - I'm going to ask you the same question. In the previous hearing, you were administered an oath to tell 01:30:58.317 --> 01:31:03.868 - the truth. Do you swear or affirm you're going to adhere to that oath during this hearing as well? Yes, 01:31:03.868 --> 01:31:07.550 - I do. Continue. I'll continue to swear to tell the truth. Thank you. 01:31:07.714 --> 01:31:16.697 - And then we start before we start the timer. Do you still want the same five three one thirty second 01:31:16.697 --> 01:31:25.147 - warning? Well, I would like to be able to address some questions toward Ms. McGarry, if I may. 01:31:25.147 --> 01:31:34.130 - Because well, one thing you can cross examine here, you have 10 minutes there. We start the clock to 01:31:34.130 --> 01:31:36.798 - state your side of the issue. 01:31:37.538 --> 01:31:46.241 - There's a, well first, I think it's important that we first recognize which handicapped parking spots 01:31:46.241 --> 01:31:55.029 - Ms. McGarry was at because there were handicapped parking spots that were on Morton Street itself, but 01:31:55.029 --> 01:32:03.646 - there were some handicapped parking spots that were in the parking lot. So that might help clear up. 01:32:03.646 --> 01:32:05.694 - We're not being accused 01:32:07.170 --> 01:32:16.816 - being in the chute, electioneering in this complaint. So which parking spaces it happened to be really 01:32:16.816 --> 01:32:26.368 - wouldn't seem to matter. The complaint is that you were annoying, which is not illegal, but were just 01:32:26.368 --> 01:32:36.670 - somewhat intimidating to someone in the parking lot who was attempting to vote. Is that a correct assumption? 01:32:49.730 --> 01:33:02.601 - and we understand that. That's not. Okay, all right. Are you ready? Mr Davis, do you want the 531 minute 01:33:02.601 --> 01:33:15.104 - 32nd warning? When your timer starts, OK, all right, and then TSD is putting the timer up now. And it 01:33:15.104 --> 01:33:18.046 - goes you may begin. OK, 01:33:19.458 --> 01:33:28.265 - The 30th was Thursday. This was the last, this was a Thursday before voting would take place on the 01:33:28.265 --> 01:33:37.424 - following Tuesday, so I'm very sorry, Ms. McGarry, if you felt intimidated by my approaching the voters 01:33:37.424 --> 01:33:44.734 - on that day, but they, voters were coming fast and furious. It was, all I could do 01:33:44.898 --> 01:33:51.912 - to look out and see which groups of people were walking from the parking lot area. And so I would go 01:33:51.912 --> 01:33:58.996 - and approach those people. Hello, are you here to vote? May I please introduce myself? My name is Joe 01:33:58.996 --> 01:34:06.011 - Davis and I'm running for County Clerk for the Circuit Court. As a practicing jurist at law, I filed 01:34:06.011 --> 01:34:13.164 - into or been a witness in half of the courtrooms in the Justice Building. I filed into Owen and Greene 01:34:13.164 --> 01:34:14.206 - County Courts. 01:34:14.338 --> 01:34:21.259 - as I've filed through both online and in person, I've seen where the blind spots are. I've seen where 01:34:21.259 --> 01:34:28.044 - small mistakes compound and then are quite burdensome to remove. So therefore, as clerk, I will put 01:34:28.044 --> 01:34:35.441 - into place measures, checks, systems to guarantee greater accuracy in the filings. And I will also institute 01:34:35.441 --> 01:34:38.494 - an outgoing email and text message to anyone 01:34:38.690 --> 01:34:45.832 - who comes in to make a filing or make a payment and this simple message will say, hey, please double 01:34:45.832 --> 01:34:53.328 - check your filing for accuracy because if we get everything taken care of, the courts, the clerk's office 01:34:53.328 --> 01:34:56.510 - and life for the Monroe County voter will be 01:34:56.738 --> 01:35:03.582 - much more efficient. That was basically my message and I whipped through that, whipped through that, 01:35:03.582 --> 01:35:10.358 - whipped through that so many times. I know that I wasn't saying anything negative about the clerk's 01:35:10.358 --> 01:35:17.134 - office. I was just saying that I was going to ensure greater accuracy and I told this over and over 01:35:17.134 --> 01:35:22.622 - and over again to voters as they came through the entire period and at that time 01:35:22.882 --> 01:35:29.018 - I had it down to like 20 seconds, 25 seconds, boom, boom, boom. And then I moved on to the next person. 01:35:29.018 --> 01:35:34.976 - So I'm very sorry I was speaking so quickly at that time, but I was trying to get my message out and 01:35:34.976 --> 01:35:41.112 - it was very simple. And then I would move on to the next person. So I'm very sorry. Some of those other 01:35:41.112 --> 01:35:47.070 - people who I talked with, as you mentioned, the man in the polo shirt, he enjoyed to talk with me so 01:35:47.070 --> 01:35:48.958 - much that we continued to talk. 01:35:49.218 --> 01:35:55.335 - That doesn't mean that I was annoying to other people. Some people were very engaged, I'm so sorry, 01:35:55.335 --> 01:36:01.574 - out of maybe speaking with 1,000 people, you were the one person who complained. I would like to know 01:36:01.574 --> 01:36:08.180 - who asked you to make this statement. That would be very informative. Who asked you to make that statement? 01:36:08.180 --> 01:36:14.480 - Sorry, you're not allowed to talk to her. And probably. Gee, you hope somebody would send that to you. 01:36:14.480 --> 01:36:18.334 - Probably Tree Martin Lucas was the person near my flower cart. 01:36:18.466 --> 01:36:27.477 - because at that time she was setting up her chair right next to it. So the blonde haired person was 01:36:27.477 --> 01:36:36.758 - probably Tree. But at any rate, I approached many voters. I did not speak negatively about the clerk's 01:36:36.758 --> 01:36:45.949 - office. I spoke only how I had a plan to improve it and that was my message. It was simple and that's 01:36:45.949 --> 01:36:48.382 - why I got 21% of the vote. 01:36:48.866 --> 01:36:59.744 - Again, I am so sorry that you were intimidated. I apologize for that. I have learned, this was my first 01:36:59.744 --> 01:37:10.308 - primary, I have learned a lot about reading people. Eyes here or there? Okay, here or there? So I am 01:37:10.308 --> 01:37:17.630 - very sorry if I was annoying. 999 people were not annoyed. Next year, 01:37:17.794 --> 01:37:27.277 - Next election, I'm gonna make sure 100% of the people are not annoyed. And if they are annoyed, I'm 01:37:27.277 --> 01:37:36.760 - going to personally apologize to them and try to figure out how I can serve them better. So how are 01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:46.622 - we doing on time? You have five minutes and 41 seconds. Okay, all right. So I think that, I think that, 01:37:48.162 --> 01:37:59.422 - complaint sure it is valid, but this seems like it was gathered up by this, I'm gonna call them the 01:37:59.422 --> 01:38:11.358 - whisper cabal, which again was Penny Givens, Tree Martin Lucas, Karen Wheeler. All of these whispers were 01:38:11.554 --> 01:38:20.111 - just looking for any excuse they could to make a complaint about me because I was a successful forward 01:38:20.111 --> 01:38:28.918 - candidate. As we moved toward the end of the early voting period, I was catching up to Tree Martin Lucas. 01:38:28.918 --> 01:38:37.475 - I was getting those votes. If early voting went on for another month, I don't know, maybe I would have 01:38:37.475 --> 01:38:40.798 - caught up all the way. But essentially, 01:38:44.002 --> 01:38:53.748 - Essentially, I am about service. That's why I run as a candidate, because I'm trying to improve the 01:38:53.748 --> 01:39:03.786 - situation wherever I go, wherever I go. I know things can be improved. And I'm very sorry if sometimes 01:39:03.786 --> 01:39:11.582 - toes get stepped on, but change happens when people act, when they make change. 01:39:11.906 --> 01:39:23.492 - things don't change when people sit on their hands. So sometimes change makers feel threatening to people, 01:39:23.492 --> 01:39:35.078 - but that's okay because it takes all of us to make the world go round. It takes all of us. So the question 01:39:35.078 --> 01:39:39.518 - that one must ask is why, why am I being 01:39:40.002 --> 01:39:48.963 - singled out in this manner, and that is because I believe, in my opinion, that this was supposed to 01:39:48.963 --> 01:39:58.282 - be a redemption election tour for Tree Martin Lucas and Karen Wheeler. We all know about how four years 01:39:58.282 --> 01:40:07.243 - ago there were 6,600 votes that were not included the last week's early voting, not included in the 01:40:07.243 --> 01:40:08.318 - vote total. 01:40:08.482 --> 01:40:20.527 - and Karen ended up resigning and Tree Martin Lucas resigned in support or I don't know. But this happened. 01:40:20.527 --> 01:40:32.234 - And as a candidate, if I were elected, I was going to ask Tree and Karen whatever job they wanted, they 01:40:32.234 --> 01:40:36.286 - could have it in my administration. 01:40:36.386 --> 01:40:48.109 - because I felt bad for them for that mishap. It was an honest mistake, I feel. Some people said maybe 01:40:48.109 --> 01:40:59.601 - it was nefarious, but I feel it was an honest mistake. And I believe that it's because I started to 01:40:59.601 --> 01:41:05.118 - all of a sudden seem like a true candidate that 01:41:07.042 --> 01:41:16.801 - the whispering cabal started to grow desperate and they started to speak amongst themselves, what can 01:41:16.801 --> 01:41:26.942 - we do to bring this guy down? Like the election signs, I mean, the paid for by Joe was fine, the previous 01:41:26.942 --> 01:41:36.414 - election, I don't know why it's being investigated again when it was okay before, but that's okay. 01:41:36.514 --> 01:41:47.575 - All right, I am still an independent candidate collecting signatures to get on the ballot for the fall 01:41:47.575 --> 01:41:58.529 - as clerk. And again, I'm going to speak to the voters. I'm gonna make sure that the early voting area 01:41:58.529 --> 01:42:06.046 - is up to snuff and safe for everyone. And Richard Kreider is going to 01:42:06.242 --> 01:42:15.562 - make sure that whatever my volunteer add or value add is going to fit in with the plan because they 01:42:15.562 --> 01:42:24.881 - are so understaffed over there and they need more people than the county affords them and they need 01:42:24.881 --> 01:42:34.387 - all the volunteer help they can get. So again, you know, I think what this comes down to is that this 01:42:34.387 --> 01:42:36.158 - was supposed to be 01:42:36.706 --> 01:42:44.619 - a redemption election for Tree Martin Lucas and Karen Wheeler and someone told me that Penny Givens 01:42:44.619 --> 01:42:52.533 - was gonna get a good job in the office too. So that's all fine and dandy. I want everyone to do the 01:42:52.533 --> 01:43:00.763 - best job they can but should I become the new clerk in the fall following the election, I'm gonna again 01:43:00.763 --> 01:43:06.302 - ask Tree whatever job you want, Karen Wheeler, whatever job you want, 01:43:08.962 --> 01:43:20.953 - because I know you'll do good work for the people because you have before and you will continue to do 01:43:20.953 --> 01:43:32.827 - so. All hands on deck. Thank you, sir. I feel bad not asking this question. Indiana has a sore loser 01:43:32.827 --> 01:43:34.590 - lock, correct? 01:43:36.066 --> 01:43:44.243 - And if that's the case, if you ran for clerk in a primary and did not win, you are not allowed to file 01:43:44.243 --> 01:43:52.419 - as an independent for that same office in that general election. People bring up the sword winner law. 01:43:52.419 --> 01:44:00.358 - I've heard this, yeah, the sword winner law establishes, well, tries to eliminate independents from 01:44:00.358 --> 01:44:03.454 - getting on the ballot. Or a loser law. 01:44:03.554 --> 01:44:10.431 - It's called the sore loser laws. The name of it. I'm just some people refer to it as the sore winner 01:44:10.431 --> 01:44:17.239 - law. Tomato tomato. That's not doesn't matter. You make your you go ahead. But I think you're going 01:44:17.239 --> 01:44:24.048 - to end up not being happy with the result of how that whole thing works. All right. What's that? We 01:44:24.048 --> 01:44:30.924 - need to move to deliberations, correct? Procedurally, is the board closing the hearing at this time? 01:44:30.924 --> 01:44:32.286 - Yes, I move that we 01:44:32.514 --> 01:44:43.751 - I'll close the hearing at this time. Second. You can voice vote. All in favor of closing the hearing? 01:44:43.751 --> 01:44:55.207 - Aye. Sorry, Ashley, we'll come back to you later. So if we are closed, I'm just going to quote the four 01:44:55.207 --> 01:44:59.614 - words directly from Mr. Davis. I agree. 01:45:02.722 --> 01:45:13.893 - As soon as we're finished with deliberation, I would be happy to make a motion. Okay. My question, and 01:45:13.893 --> 01:45:24.956 - this is the legal thing, okay. Is there a reasonably solid line or is it wavy and curvy between being 01:45:24.956 --> 01:45:30.270 - annoying and being intimidating and threatening? 01:45:32.450 --> 01:45:41.040 - Follow where I'm going. I mean, I understand the question is one thing. Threatening people or intimidating 01:45:41.040 --> 01:45:49.309 - them is something else. I'm going to try to look up the voter making sense to you guys. Whether or not 01:45:49.309 --> 01:45:58.622 - there was interference with somebody trying to get into to get into vote. I don't. Yeah, I don't disagree with you. 01:46:05.122 --> 01:46:12.959 - I see that. And this may be a thing that life experiences for you guys and me are different here. So 01:46:12.959 --> 01:46:20.253 - that maybe I'm looking at it from a different point of view. I appreciate that. Yeah, I mean, 01:46:20.253 --> 01:46:28.401 - I get that. While that's going on, may I ask Ms. Ferris one question? I think that I heard you say this, 01:46:28.401 --> 01:46:34.686 - but I'm not 100% sure that you did have other that you had complaints from other 01:46:34.850 --> 01:46:41.149 - voters about some of the behavior? Yeah, so there were multiple complaints that were made to our office. 01:46:41.149 --> 01:46:47.448 - Actually, in fact, this one once we started getting more and more, I was requesting individuals to write 01:46:47.448 --> 01:46:53.447 - them down. I do remember that Miss McGarry was brought into my office and I asked her to write this 01:46:53.447 --> 01:46:59.447 - statement down on writing so that I could then send it onto the election board so we could continue 01:46:59.447 --> 01:47:03.646 - making progress with this as after the first couple of conversations. 01:47:03.842 --> 01:47:13.734 - behaviors and actions were not changing. May I address, may I address that response? I don't think that 01:47:13.734 --> 01:47:23.435 - as much as you'd want. I don't think that's appropriate right now because we're in our deliberations. 01:47:23.435 --> 01:47:28.286 - Again, this is that early exclusive club of three. 01:47:36.994 --> 01:47:43.602 - It's one of those statutes that cross-references other statutes, so I promise I'm getting there, I think. 01:47:43.602 --> 01:47:50.147 - I think it says a person who knowingly or intentionally intimidates, threatens, or coerces an individual 01:47:50.147 --> 01:47:56.380 - for voting or attempting to vote, urging or aiding another individual to vote or attempt to vote or 01:47:56.380 --> 01:48:02.302 - exercising any power or duty under this title commits voter intimidation. But then you have to 01:48:03.522 --> 01:48:11.920 - Go and look what constitutes intimidates, threats, or coercion. Where I'm kind of arguing with myself 01:48:11.920 --> 01:48:20.318 - right now is you might feel intimidating to someone while you yourself don't feel you are being that. 01:48:20.318 --> 01:48:28.222 - But I am probably more inclined, since the prosecutor's going to look at the other ones anyway, 01:48:28.674 --> 01:48:40.402 - She could look at this and say, hey, you guys are weird and throw it, or there's something here. I think 01:48:40.402 --> 01:48:51.014 - she has a lot more experience with technology than I certainly do. Absolutely. I do think it's 01:48:51.014 --> 01:48:53.918 - a fact-sensitive inquiry. 01:48:59.010 --> 01:49:11.971 - I guess we would need a motion, yeah. I move that we forward Ms. McGarry's complaint to the prosecutor 01:49:11.971 --> 01:49:25.310 - for further. Any other discussion? Ms. Ashley. Nicole Brown? Yes. Danny Shields? Yes. Penny Hiddens? Yes. 01:49:26.882 --> 01:49:33.579 - I think now that we've made those motions that your office desk send this forward. I will forward the 01:49:33.579 --> 01:49:40.145 - complaints to the prosecutor's office. However, I do have a procedural question. I will provide the 01:49:40.145 --> 01:49:47.038 - complaints and any evidence that the board received from the complainants. Mr Davis did present evidence 01:49:47.038 --> 01:49:53.867 - and he has had the exhibit that you presented. Are you OK if I take pictures of this and send it along? 01:49:53.867 --> 01:49:55.902 - Or I don't know how to capture 01:49:56.994 --> 01:50:04.042 - your exhibits here. I'm assuming you don't want to leave them here and I don't want you to either. So 01:50:04.042 --> 01:50:10.467 - I would like to just take photos if the boards are okay with that and Mr. Davis is okay with 01:50:10.467 --> 01:50:17.377 - that. Absolutely. Yeah, that's absolutely fine. I assume you're going to need those things. I will. 01:50:17.377 --> 01:50:24.286 - I'll especially need the tools to continue to clean up for the early voting in the fall. All right. 01:50:25.890 --> 01:50:34.026 - So I will I will work with Mr. Davis on getting photos to send to the prosecutor as well of the exhibits 01:50:34.026 --> 01:50:41.931 - that he attached. And then I think that brings you back to the election board agenda. Which would be. 01:50:41.931 --> 01:50:50.067 - Public comment. Is it appropriate for me to ask for a public comment that would be germane to what we've 01:50:50.067 --> 01:50:54.174 - been working on in the sense? The fact is that we've 01:50:55.554 --> 01:51:03.012 - had quite a meeting and people have to go back to work. Or do we have to take public comment at this 01:51:03.012 --> 01:51:10.544 - time? Was it posted on the agenda? It was not posted on the agenda, and that is an error on my fault. 01:51:10.544 --> 01:51:17.928 - On my part, we do normally have public comment at the election board meetings, but for clarity, the 01:51:17.928 --> 01:51:23.614 - public comment would be not on. I understand. Pleasure of you board members. 01:51:25.410 --> 01:51:36.881 - I'm fine knowing that people are limited to three minutes. Okay, three minutes. There's public comment 01:51:36.881 --> 01:51:48.798 - for three minutes. Mr. Davis for clarity. Are you providing public comment at the current time? I'm sorry. 01:51:48.930 --> 01:51:56.523 - Are you providing public comment? We moved on. We've closed all the hearings and we moved on to public 01:51:56.523 --> 01:52:04.042 - comment. I'll move my stuff out of the way for public comment then. We were just trying to figure out 01:52:04.042 --> 01:52:11.783 - if you were commenting or not, but it sounds like the floor is in what the public comment on on anything 01:52:11.783 --> 01:52:18.270 - having to do with elections. Is that what we're? Yes. I mean, just anything in general. 01:52:18.498 --> 01:52:29.152 - Is that what? Well, we'd like it to be election related. We have someone in line who would like to speak. 01:52:29.152 --> 01:52:39.303 - I need to get the clock restarted. Restart the clock, please. Well, I could stop for a second. Don't 01:52:39.303 --> 01:52:46.238 - start it yet. Am I supposed to sign something? We'll deal with that. 01:52:46.434 --> 01:52:55.058 - Oh, I just wanted to make sure. I didn't want my time to get ticked away, because I'm still waiting 01:52:55.058 --> 01:53:03.854 - to figure out what's happening here. I appreciate it. Cheryl Langdon, Monroe County taxpayer. This is 01:53:03.854 --> 01:53:13.081 - all about how our elections are pretty polarized. We need to have a conversation in the US. An 18-year-old 01:53:13.081 --> 01:53:15.582 - unarmed, alone Henry Novick, 01:53:15.714 --> 01:53:22.751 - was attacked in England six months ago. His assailant's brother called 911 and made a baseless claim 01:53:22.751 --> 01:53:29.788 - that Novak racially attacked him. When the police arrived, unarmed Henry was found dying of his stab 01:53:29.788 --> 01:53:37.174 - wounds. Henry had said, I have been stabbed. The attending police officer gaslit the dying victim saying, 01:53:37.174 --> 01:53:38.846 - I don't think so, mate. 01:53:39.138 --> 01:53:46.667 - Henry received no medical attention until it was clear that he was dying and by that time it was too 01:53:46.667 --> 01:53:54.196 - late. He was dying in handcuffs and was a victim of a racist attack. No one wants to admit this, but 01:53:54.196 --> 01:54:02.023 - his attacker, a Sikh man, falsely accused Henry of a racist attack against him by Henry that night which 01:54:02.023 --> 01:54:07.614 - misled police to treat unarmed Henry as an assailant rather than a victim. 01:54:07.714 --> 01:54:14.327 - The left refused to acknowledge Henry's victimization that occurred twice. Why? Because the victim is 01:54:14.327 --> 01:54:21.265 - white. The reason it's important to talk about the invasions that progressives created in European nations 01:54:21.265 --> 01:54:28.072 - like the UK and the United States is because our nations' white citizens are being discriminated against 01:54:28.072 --> 01:54:29.758 - for absolutely no reason. 01:54:30.978 --> 01:54:37.992 - In August of 2022, Brittany Farr released an essay on the University of Chicago Law website, Fears of 01:54:37.992 --> 01:54:45.350 - a Majority, Minority, Future Depreciating Value of Whiteness. Her essay failed to acknowledge the violence 01:54:45.350 --> 01:54:52.226 - against innocent white people all over the world. And in the United States, law enforcement reports 01:54:52.226 --> 01:54:59.722 - have also documented an increase in anti-white hate crimes during several recent reporting cycles, sometimes 01:54:59.722 --> 01:55:00.478 - accounting 01:55:00.610 --> 01:55:07.469 - for upwards 10 to 20 percent of reported race-based incidents. New York City's mayor, Mandani, continues 01:55:07.469 --> 01:55:14.002 - to use racially-charged language against white citizens concerning tax increases, quote, richer and 01:55:14.002 --> 01:55:20.862 - whiter neighborhoods, unquote. The mayor continues to use racially-charged language against white people 01:55:20.862 --> 01:55:27.394 - in his administration. It's amazing to me how non-white and white leftists are allowed to be openly 01:55:27.394 --> 01:55:30.334 - racist as long as it's against white people. 01:55:30.498 --> 01:55:36.920 - This must stop. Innocent white people are being targeted, assaulted, and many times murdered for being 01:55:36.920 --> 01:55:43.156 - white. The funding of hate groups by leftists has been exposed. It's not right-wing Republicans who 01:55:43.156 --> 01:55:49.515 - are choosing hate. Conservatives are just responding to the radical terrorists and invaders' violence 01:55:49.515 --> 01:55:52.446 - against white Christian people, both non-white 01:55:52.546 --> 01:56:00.576 - and white leftist progressive politicians have been provoking race hate. We have been thrown to the 01:56:00.576 --> 01:56:08.927 - wolves by our own countrymen. They have openly betrayed us, and I say shame on every Democrat. You have 01:56:08.927 --> 01:56:17.118 - helped create a race religious war. You have put a target on us all. Thank you. Thank you. Any other? 01:56:22.338 --> 01:56:32.483 - and I will make a motion to it. Oh, it's coming, okay. Go ahead, sir. Your three minutes will start. 01:56:32.483 --> 01:56:42.728 - Whenever they put it up there. There it is. Your time is running. Three minutes. Three minutes. Okay. 01:56:42.728 --> 01:56:50.462 - Can you please let me know one minute and 30 and then 30 seconds. Thank you. 01:56:55.266 --> 01:57:04.125 - I would like to ask that the election board look into instituting more transparency with procedures 01:57:04.125 --> 01:57:12.984 - like the one that we had today to make contact if there's an agenda that goes out that it's sent to 01:57:12.984 --> 01:57:22.108 - the person who has to come before the hearing body. That these things are done days in advance so that 01:57:22.108 --> 01:57:23.614 - one can prepare. 01:57:23.746 --> 01:57:35.416 - had I known that there was going to be just like lickety-split limitations on time placed today, then 01:57:35.416 --> 01:57:47.201 - I would have been preparing a presentation or argument that would be totally different from what I did 01:57:47.201 --> 01:57:53.150 - work toward because I didn't know any of the rules. 01:57:53.314 --> 01:58:01.384 - two complaints submitted to me at one time. It seemed like I was to address them both, but it never 01:58:01.384 --> 01:58:09.937 - said that I was to address them individually, that each one would have 10 minutes. It was never explained 01:58:09.937 --> 01:58:18.088 - that I couldn't speak to the other witnesses or ask any about the evidence that was being submitted, 01:58:18.088 --> 01:58:20.670 - who took it, why, and you know, 01:58:20.770 --> 01:58:28.661 - sure we're gonna move on to the prosecutor and I welcome this opportunity because then we'll go forward 01:58:28.661 --> 01:58:36.400 - and we'll hammer things out which will improve the system. That's the way it's gonna work out and I'm 01:58:36.400 --> 01:58:44.215 - gonna be vindicated. It's gonna waste a lot of time for everyone involved but I will be vindicated and 01:58:44.215 --> 01:58:49.982 - you will learn new procedures and hopefully in the future no one will be so 01:58:50.370 --> 01:58:59.113 - rudely dealt with like I've been dealt with today. But that's okay. We all can improve. I know that 01:58:59.113 --> 01:59:07.943 - every one of us in here tries to improve every day. So let's make this a civil environment and let's 01:59:07.943 --> 01:59:17.298 - make it transparent. Let's give everyone the full disclosure possible. This will be the best for everyone. 01:59:17.298 --> 01:59:19.134 - Thank you very much. 01:59:20.162 --> 01:59:27.867 - Thank you. Prior to adjourning, um, the clerk brought to my attention that our next meeting is July 01:59:27.867 --> 01:59:35.726 - 2nd and that the commissioners may not meet that day. If they did. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you heard 01:59:35.726 --> 01:59:43.662 - it. If the commissioners choose not to meet on July 2nd, uh, what would your pleasure be on us meeting 01:59:43.662 --> 01:59:48.670 - it in the morning instead of later in the afternoon on that day? 01:59:48.834 --> 01:59:58.420 - since this room should already be available. I don't. I believe there will be a commissioner meeting 01:59:58.420 --> 02:00:08.006 - on July 2nd. They've canceled the June meetings, but July is still scheduled normally. We can follow 02:00:08.006 --> 02:00:17.118 - through as to whether we actually need a meeting on that date being that close to today. At any 02:00:17.250 --> 02:00:24.778 - As long as we give notice, we can cancel that meeting. We'll, we'll, we'll communicate that through 02:00:24.778 --> 02:00:32.305 - your office. Okay. All right. Then I would entertain a motion to adjourn motion to adjourn those in 02:00:32.305 --> 02:00:35.166 - favor. Aye. Aye. Opposed. Happy June.