WEBVTT 00:00:00.258 --> 00:00:08.182 - The August 6 meeting of the Morrill County Election Board is called to order. Our first order of business 00:00:08.182 --> 00:00:15.658 - is we have a plethora of minutes that we need to approve. There were some corrections made by board 00:00:15.658 --> 00:00:23.134 - member Gibbons. We have reviewed those and those are perfectly fine. So I would entertain a motion. 00:00:23.234 --> 00:00:33.512 - to I'm sorry, go ahead. I just wanted to make a note that all of them, but the April 9th was included 00:00:33.512 --> 00:00:43.891 - in the packet. So that's the only one that will not be approved today is April 9th. So I think you're, 00:00:43.891 --> 00:00:49.534 - I think it's not. So I, Mr. Chair, I will make a motion 00:00:50.114 --> 00:01:00.733 - to approve all of the minutes with the exception of April 9th, which the board does not have. I'm sorry. 00:01:00.733 --> 00:01:11.454 - Can you hear? OK. You know what? I can use my substitute teacher voice. No problem. I am making a motion. 00:01:11.618 --> 00:01:18.722 - that we accept all of the minutes that have been presented to the board, that we approve all of those 00:01:18.722 --> 00:01:25.896 - minutes with the exception of April 9th, which we do not have in our packets. I am making that motion. 00:01:25.896 --> 00:01:33.069 - I'll second and would like to note that this includes minutes from March 31st, April 23rd, May 4th and 00:01:33.069 --> 00:01:40.382 - 5th, May 15th. And there are two separate ones because there were two separate meetings on May the 15th. 00:01:40.546 --> 00:01:50.138 - June the 4th and July the 10th. We don't have we don't have to call roll on this, do we? You could do 00:01:50.138 --> 00:01:59.541 - a voice vote. OK, those in favor I. Opposed? OK, motion carries to approve minutes. Miss Kylie, the 00:01:59.541 --> 00:02:02.174 - election supervisor update. 00:02:03.394 --> 00:02:09.696 - So I want to start with, I'm going to be doing like a timeline of what we're going to expect to be seeing 00:02:09.696 --> 00:02:15.701 - at the election board meetings, calling all the way up until November when the election is, but also 00:02:15.701 --> 00:02:21.885 - in addition some behind the scenes things that happen within our office. So August 21st is the deadline 00:02:21.885 --> 00:02:28.009 - for the Indiana election division to approve and certify the list of candidates. From then we plan and 00:02:28.009 --> 00:02:33.360 - hope to have the review of the ballots on August 28th, but that is still to be determined 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:39.115 - we're going to do is we're going to go ahead and approve all of the workers who worked in the primary 00:02:39.115 --> 00:02:44.927 - and then we will come back to approve any that are additional that will be working in the general that 00:02:44.927 --> 00:02:50.625 - did not work in the primary. And then on September 1st we will have the early voting leads return to 00:02:50.625 --> 00:02:56.437 - start working on recruiting all of the poll workers for early voting and then on September 3rd we will 00:02:56.437 --> 00:03:02.305 - go ahead and approve all of the workers who worked in the primary and then we will come back to approve 00:03:02.305 --> 00:03:03.038 - any that are 00:03:04.130 --> 00:03:09.812 - On September 4th, that will be the first day that recruiters will begin their work for Election Day 00:03:09.812 --> 00:03:15.495 - workers. September 8th, the return of the absentee leads. Those are the individuals who do military 00:03:15.495 --> 00:03:19.870 - overseas and mail ballots. They will return on that day to begin their work. 00:03:21.538 --> 00:03:28.289 - And then we also so far have to be determined the public test of the equipment on September 8th as well. 00:03:28.289 --> 00:03:34.847 - That is also one that is still to be determined, depends on timelines with heart and making sure that 00:03:34.847 --> 00:03:41.340 - everything is ready and back for us to do. September 19th is the day that all applications that have 00:03:41.340 --> 00:03:47.962 - been received up until that day have to be out for mail ballots. That'll be the first batch of ballots 00:03:47.962 --> 00:03:48.798 - that go out. 00:03:49.122 --> 00:03:57.051 - September 19th, which is a Saturday. And then there is a special meeting of the election board that 00:03:57.051 --> 00:04:05.774 - would be suggested on September 18th, so the day before that, and that's going to be approving all additional 00:04:05.774 --> 00:04:07.518 - early voting workers. 00:04:08.802 --> 00:04:14.919 - September 30th will be early voting lead training that's going to be the leads who oversee all of early 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:21.155 - voting we are going to be doing that a little bit differently this year instead of it being just a couple 00:04:21.155 --> 00:04:27.272 - of hours we're going to be doing it from 9 a.m. to 11 a.m. for certain parts of the training which will 00:04:27.272 --> 00:04:29.566 - be mainly like your forms and any like 00:04:29.954 --> 00:04:35.621 - day-to-day activities that they'll be doing and the tour of the space, and then from 1 p.m. to 3 p.m., 00:04:35.621 --> 00:04:41.178 - we will be doing their training on all of the equipment to ensure they're comfortable and doing some 00:04:41.178 --> 00:04:46.680 - role play with them as well. October 1st, we will be doing the early voting training. That is going 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:52.291 - to be from 9 a.m. to 11 a.m., and then a second class, 1 p.m. to 3 p.m. There will be a second day of 00:04:52.291 --> 00:04:57.903 - training, which will be October 2nd, 9 a.m. to 11 p.m., and a 1 p.m. to 3 p.m., and then first day of 00:04:57.903 --> 00:04:59.774 - early voting will be October 6th. 00:05:04.066 --> 00:05:13.059 - Thank you, ma'am. You guys have been busy. Mr. Crider, do you have an Election Central update for us? 00:05:13.059 --> 00:05:21.963 - Good afternoon, board members. It's been a minute. As we're approaching early voting and the general 00:05:21.963 --> 00:05:30.868 - election, Ms. Farris asked me to come in and give an update on the Election Central space, sent me a 00:05:30.868 --> 00:05:32.190 - list of items. 00:05:32.322 --> 00:05:41.326 - got my own running list of tasks, and I don't want to get out into the weeds on them individually, but 00:05:41.326 --> 00:05:50.329 - I've kind of categorized it into new business, old business, and warranty repairs. So I'm working with 00:05:50.329 --> 00:05:59.071 - contractors and our maintenance team to have all that wrapped up by September 4th. And also, I want 00:05:59.071 --> 00:06:00.382 - to update that 00:06:00.642 --> 00:06:08.620 - I'm submitting an order for the 30 chairs in election central, a new refrigerator, water cooler for 00:06:08.620 --> 00:06:16.916 - the kitchen, but I have been informed that we're not allowed to provide microwaves, so I did just learn 00:06:16.916 --> 00:06:24.974 - that. And regarding the early voting office furniture, unfortunately, I'm not gonna have that by the 00:06:24.974 --> 00:06:30.558 - general election. So I'm going to ask that you guys use what you used 00:06:30.850 --> 00:06:37.418 - during the primary and if you need support with additional tables and chairs, please let me know and 00:06:37.418 --> 00:06:43.920 - I'll do what I can do. Do you have any questions? Is it that the county will pay for a microwave or 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:50.878 - that there can't be a microwave in the building? No, there can be microwaves. The county won't pay for it. 00:06:53.858 --> 00:06:58.989 - I have a couple questions with furniture, because we have individuals who are currently working off 00:06:58.989 --> 00:07:04.223 - of folding tables. With them not having drawers that are able to lock, is there a potential way of us 00:07:04.223 --> 00:07:09.405 - to be able to get some filing cabinets that have keys with them? The ones that we have currently are 00:07:09.405 --> 00:07:14.691 - ones that have been passed around different departments around the county. None of them do have locks, 00:07:14.691 --> 00:07:20.027 - so if there are sensitive materials, we would like to be able to keep those locked in those spaces that 00:07:20.027 --> 00:07:23.824 - those individuals use them, so that we're not having to go back and forth 00:07:23.824 --> 00:07:31.846 - in the ballot room during early voting for the fall, uh, election. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I think we can 00:07:31.846 --> 00:07:39.947 - work on that. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. All right. Thank you. Okay. We moved to, uh, again, still 00:07:39.947 --> 00:07:47.262 - an old business, uh, a complaint from the primary miss Molly. Where are we? Where are we on? 00:07:48.418 --> 00:07:56.003 - So I think some of this discussion goes into also new business. I think this references a complaint 00:07:56.003 --> 00:08:03.665 - that was received by the election board during the primary relating to candidate Ms. Trimble. And so 00:08:03.665 --> 00:08:11.250 - at the time the complaint was originally received, the election board voted to table the complaint. 00:08:11.250 --> 00:08:15.422 - And so to kind of go into the next discussion as well, 00:08:15.586 --> 00:08:26.081 - the election board needs to decide on how they want to proceed with that particular complaint at this 00:08:26.081 --> 00:08:35.445 - time. Based on yes, based on what we received from and correct me if I'm wrong, Kylie, you 00:08:35.445 --> 00:08:41.310 - did the communication from the election division. There. 00:08:42.786 --> 00:08:50.396 - decision or their conclusion was that. We don't have a we don't have a violation of state election law 00:08:50.396 --> 00:08:58.006 - here. So if we don't think we have a violation of law, we have no reason to hear. So I'm going to read 00:08:58.006 --> 00:09:00.222 - just a portion of that email. 00:09:00.866 --> 00:09:07.413 - so that it's a better understanding. On that, it says, remember that the burden is on the person filing 00:09:07.413 --> 00:09:13.959 - the complaint to show the county election board that the candidates violated an election law, including 00:09:13.959 --> 00:09:20.569 - providing enough information in their complaint for the board to find that there is a substantial reason 00:09:20.569 --> 00:09:24.094 - to believe that an election law violation has occurred. 00:09:24.226 --> 00:09:31.273 - is occurring or will occur, so the board can make an investigation and order a hearing under IC code 00:09:31.273 --> 00:09:38.460 - 3-6-5-31. And then with that, I wanted to present that information to you, the election board, so that 00:09:38.460 --> 00:09:45.995 - you guys can make the decision. If you believe that there was enough information supplied in the complaint, 00:09:45.995 --> 00:09:53.182 - I will say that with it not having any IC codes relating to which violation or Indiana electional law, 00:09:53.314 --> 00:10:00.535 - That was violated. I feel like that the thing goes back to you guys whether or not you feel like there 00:10:00.535 --> 00:10:07.546 - was enough information Molly did suggest that Holding a hearing and asking the person who filed the 00:10:07.546 --> 00:10:14.767 - complaint to provide information and if there is none then it's done there Mr. Chair, yes, ma'am Thank 00:10:14.767 --> 00:10:15.678 - you, Kylie I 00:10:16.290 --> 00:10:28.527 - I am going to the third line of what we received, which says, we do not have a law that makes it illegal. 00:10:28.527 --> 00:10:40.417 - I assume the word 2 should be in there, to offer property in exchange for signing a petition. And that 00:10:40.417 --> 00:10:45.150 - I want to say I do not see why we should 00:10:45.602 --> 00:10:57.674 - have a hearing in this manner. And I would make a motion that we dismiss the complaint. I would like 00:10:57.674 --> 00:11:10.224 - to also point out that following what the clerk just read, it says that it would be up to the prosecutor 00:11:10.224 --> 00:11:12.734 - to determine if they 00:11:13.282 --> 00:11:19.340 - I'm not sure that this is working correctly to determine they read one of our election crimes or find 00:11:19.340 --> 00:11:25.398 - some other criminal provision in a different title of state code and have evidence that the candidate 00:11:25.398 --> 00:11:31.872 - violated the law. So it seems to me that it would require the election board to forward it to the prosecutor 00:11:31.872 --> 00:11:37.870 - for the prosecutor to determine whether or not there was a violation. And that's exactly what we did 00:11:37.870 --> 00:11:42.206 - with the complaints against the additional complaints against Mr. Davis. 00:11:45.826 --> 00:11:55.159 - I don't see it that way. Mr. Chair, I'm open to what you have to say. There's something missing that 00:11:55.159 --> 00:12:04.492 - doesn't even allow for the making of a decision as we did with a different candidate. We had tons of 00:12:04.492 --> 00:12:13.918 - supporting documentation and codes. I spoke with another county attorney regarding that other person. 00:12:15.874 --> 00:12:23.584 - There doesn't appear to be anything that we can take to a prosecutor, to me. But if we held a hearing, 00:12:23.584 --> 00:12:31.518 - wouldn't the complainant have the opportunity to present information at that point? Well, the complainant 00:12:31.518 --> 00:12:39.152 - still has an opportunity. Molly, I'm sorry. Go ahead. I think from my communications with the Indiana 00:12:39.152 --> 00:12:44.766 - election vision, the procedure would be for the board to determine whether 00:12:45.122 --> 00:12:51.317 - It has a reasonable belief that an election law has been violated to warrant a further hearing. And 00:12:51.317 --> 00:12:57.575 - then the hearing is governed by due process, the petitioner or complaint and gets the opportunity to 00:12:57.575 --> 00:13:04.080 - present evidence. The candidate in question would have the opportunity to present evidence. When I spoke 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:10.585 - to the Indiana election division, what they advised me was, should this complaint be on a future agenda, 00:13:10.585 --> 00:13:14.302 - the board would follow IC 36531, which is the investigation 00:13:14.434 --> 00:13:23.123 - um, statute that I just referenced to determine whether a hearing and investigation is warranted. Um, 00:13:23.123 --> 00:13:32.239 - and then the Indiana election division identified two IC codes, one of which is the definition of property 00:13:32.239 --> 00:13:35.902 - within title 35, specifically 35 3152 253. 00:13:36.802 --> 00:13:44.517 - and indicated the board would need to determine if advice constitute property and therefore violated 00:13:44.517 --> 00:13:52.462 - IC code 31421. And so I think right now the question for the board is, does the board have a reasonable 00:13:52.462 --> 00:14:00.101 - belief so that they feel a hearing is warranted to determine if additional steps such as forwarding 00:14:00.101 --> 00:14:04.990 - the matter to the prosecutor is warranted? Mr. Chair, I do not. 00:14:05.730 --> 00:14:15.123 - I am one of three. I am only speaking for myself. I do not believe there is enough here to warrant a 00:14:15.123 --> 00:14:24.515 - hearing. I have seen some of Ms. Tremble's Facebook posts about this. And she is now trying to claim 00:14:24.515 --> 00:14:34.001 - that there was a joke that she offered to provide advice. But she's the one that posted these things. 00:14:34.001 --> 00:14:35.582 - Nobody else did. 00:14:36.162 --> 00:14:45.009 - Well, therein lies the problem. This elected official has no social media. I don't know parts of social 00:14:45.009 --> 00:14:53.601 - media. I don't know anything about that. What I am saying is what has been presented to us, I do not 00:14:53.601 --> 00:15:02.364 - believe that we have enough to justify a hearing. And so I am going to make the motion that we dismiss 00:15:02.364 --> 00:15:05.086 - this and let the voters decide. 00:15:07.458 --> 00:15:14.929 - I guess I would like for us to provide an opportunity from Ms. Sharp to present that evidence if it 00:15:14.929 --> 00:15:21.952 - exists. Because she wasn't required to present it to file the complaint, is my understanding. 00:15:21.952 --> 00:15:29.647 - That is correct. I agree with that. Is there any reason that if... Molly, again, I'm kind of deferring 00:15:29.647 --> 00:15:36.222 - to you on the legal questions here. Is there any reason that if we support this motion, 00:15:36.802 --> 00:15:44.180 - that Miss Sharp couldn't take the same complaint to the prosecutor and say, here's a violation of law. 00:15:44.180 --> 00:15:51.343 - In my mind, you decide what you want to do. I'm not interested in getting into the business in this 00:15:51.343 --> 00:15:58.578 - board of he said, she said, let's fuss about it. I left sixth grade when I retired from sixth grade. 00:15:58.578 --> 00:16:04.094 - I don't need that stuff. I could check to see if the complaintant could take 00:16:04.322 --> 00:16:10.411 - Report directly to the prosecutor typically There's a step that involves reporting it to law enforcement 00:16:10.411 --> 00:16:16.268 - The statute does state that election law violations should be referred to the board But I don't know 00:16:16.268 --> 00:16:22.067 - if that means exclusively and that Complaintance couldn't then reach out to like law enforcement or 00:16:22.067 --> 00:16:24.734 - the prosecutor. So I'd have to check on it. I 00:16:27.490 --> 00:16:35.032 - And I would note for this specific complaint, this is not a complaint that would result in the removal 00:16:35.032 --> 00:16:42.354 - of the candidate from the ballot. And I say that because it's different than another complaint that 00:16:42.354 --> 00:16:49.750 - you will be considering later today. The complaint that you will be considering later has a specific 00:16:49.750 --> 00:16:56.926 - timeline for which that complaint has to be resolved because it does impact what's on the ballot. 00:16:57.090 --> 00:17:04.486 - Because this complaint is not of the same nature and would not remove the candidate from the ballot, 00:17:04.486 --> 00:17:11.883 - it doesn't have to be resolved by that timeline. So if you wanted to have me do further research and 00:17:11.883 --> 00:17:19.279 - table it to a September meeting or a later time to determine whether you want to take that next step 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:23.966 - of setting a hearing, the board has that flexibility. Go ahead. 00:17:26.210 --> 00:17:34.632 - I am just keeping the discussion, just making sure that the discussion is had. It seems to me that if 00:17:34.632 --> 00:17:42.889 - you are going to file a complaint with the board, that for us to consider a hearing, you would make 00:17:42.889 --> 00:17:51.724 - sure it would be overwhelming. And I'm not saying present evidence or anything, but there is overwhelming, 00:17:51.724 --> 00:17:54.366 - why wouldn't we have a hearing? 00:17:55.266 --> 00:18:03.379 - what laws have been violated or here's what crimes have been committed. I don't see that. So rather, 00:18:03.379 --> 00:18:11.412 - the board is going to have plenty of business between now and election day. And if this isn't going 00:18:11.412 --> 00:18:19.525 - to remove the candidate, let the voters decide. Does that make sense? I tend to go along with you on 00:18:19.525 --> 00:18:21.854 - that, let the voters decide. 00:18:22.498 --> 00:18:30.180 - Is there a statute of limitations on something like this? I mean, it wouldn't be between now and November 00:18:30.180 --> 00:18:37.718 - if there is. I'd have to check specifically on the statute of limitations for elections. I mean, I know 00:18:37.718 --> 00:18:44.965 - the statute of limitations for criminal offenses, but since it's a different title, I would want to 00:18:44.965 --> 00:18:51.198 - definitely check. If this is not going to affect the ballot, which it is not, and I'm 00:18:51.330 --> 00:18:59.391 - before on this board have voted, let the voters decide. I think I'll second your motion and we'll just 00:18:59.391 --> 00:19:07.217 - let the voters make the decision. Let the parties involved do their campaigning and state what they 00:19:07.217 --> 00:19:15.043 - believe to be fact and then let the voters decide. Go ahead. I guess I would like to give Ms. Sharp 00:19:15.043 --> 00:19:20.286 - an opportunity to bring evidence, if there is evidence, that we do 00:19:20.642 --> 00:19:28.896 - consider this at our September meeting, if she has evidence. As I said a few minutes ago, when she filed 00:19:28.896 --> 00:19:37.071 - the complaint, it was not my understanding that you have to provide evidence at that time. The evidence 00:19:37.071 --> 00:19:45.089 - is given at the hearing. That's what our practice has been at least. Would it be outside of our scope 00:19:45.089 --> 00:19:48.862 - to ask if Ms. Sharpe can come and publicly say, 00:19:48.962 --> 00:19:57.522 - Yes, I have evidence. And if you set a hearing, I'll present it. Or the complaint is, or what I've submitted 00:19:57.522 --> 00:20:05.453 - is on its face what you need to consider. And if she can say that, then we can set a hearing. If she 00:20:05.453 --> 00:20:07.966 - cannot say that, let's move on. 00:20:19.778 --> 00:20:27.099 - to go inquire with Ms. Sharp. I don't think in the past we have done such, but I don't think there's 00:20:27.099 --> 00:20:34.420 - anything that excludes from doing it in this instance. I think in the past we've just considered the 00:20:34.420 --> 00:20:42.176 - received documentation and the complaint on its faced and the board used that to determine if a reasonable 00:20:42.176 --> 00:20:47.902 - belief existed for a future hearing. Mr. Chair, what does not make sense to me 00:20:48.226 --> 00:20:55.941 - because the county attorney has cited criminal code. This is not criminal code. It does not make sense 00:20:55.941 --> 00:21:03.881 - to me, and this is not the first time that it has happened, where we are saying that the Indiana election 00:21:03.881 --> 00:21:11.521 - division gave us one piece of guidance and gave a county attorney a different piece of guidance. That 00:21:11.521 --> 00:21:17.214 - is not making sense to me at all. And if there's going to be this disparity 00:21:17.538 --> 00:21:26.906 - then I'd rather err on not making it harder on a candidate. They're going to be on the ballot. The voters 00:21:26.906 --> 00:21:36.009 - are going to decide. I'm not aware of any crime, and I'm sitting here looking at a sentence that says, 00:21:36.009 --> 00:21:45.377 - we do not have a law that makes it illegal to offer property in exchange for signing a petition. I didn't 00:21:45.377 --> 00:21:46.526 - create this. 00:21:46.754 --> 00:21:54.531 - I was given it. It does have his name on it. He's not prone to put his name on something that he doesn't 00:21:54.531 --> 00:22:01.938 - stand behind. So I'm hopeful that I am making sense. But I'm also open. She's in the building, as I 00:22:01.938 --> 00:22:09.716 - understand. If she wants to come up and say anything that could persuade the board one way or the other, 00:22:09.716 --> 00:22:16.382 - I'm still listening. But if this is what we have, then I'm moving forward with my motion. 00:22:19.842 --> 00:22:27.733 - I guess it comes down to me for whether or not this offer to provide a service is falls under the definition 00:22:27.733 --> 00:22:34.973 - of property for the state because in what was provided to us today and the second highlighted thing 00:22:34.973 --> 00:22:42.575 - says pays or offer to pay an individual any property based on the number of signatures obtained to place 00:22:42.575 --> 00:22:48.222 - a candidate or public question on a ballot. So if there was in fact a service 00:22:48.546 --> 00:22:58.118 - Does that fall under the definition of property? And for me, she made the offer publicly. It's in writing. 00:22:58.118 --> 00:23:07.153 - Under this part of the election law and that we should at least hear it and decide whether or not to 00:23:07.153 --> 00:23:15.294 - forward this to the prosecutor. And to clarify any discrepancy between the advice that Mr. 00:23:16.322 --> 00:23:24.611 - Kylie received first the advice I received. It does cite the same IC code 31421. The reference to criminal 00:23:24.611 --> 00:23:32.514 - code is the definition of property, specifically because of item five, which is highlighted. You have 00:23:32.514 --> 00:23:40.958 - to determine what constitutes property to determine if there was an offer to pay an individual any property. 00:23:42.466 --> 00:23:59.939 - I hate to keep sending you back to looking code. I apologize for that. The definition of property is 00:23:59.939 --> 00:24:12.222 - critical here. It is. Which is why I printed this code out in advance. 00:24:12.482 --> 00:24:19.573 - So 3531.5 to 253 defines property as, except as provided in subsection C, property means anything of 00:24:19.573 --> 00:24:26.593 - value. This term includes a gain or advantage or anything that might reasonably be regarded as such 00:24:26.593 --> 00:24:34.035 - by the beneficiary, real property, personal property, money, labor, and services, intangibles, commercial 00:24:34.035 --> 00:24:39.230 - instruments, written instruments concerning labor, services, or property. 00:24:39.330 --> 00:24:46.061 - Written instruments otherwise of value to the owner, such as public record, deed, will, credit card, 00:24:46.061 --> 00:24:52.325 - or letter of credit, a signature to a written instrument, extension of credit, trade secrets, 00:24:52.325 --> 00:24:59.189 - contract rights, choices in action, and other interests in or claims to wealth, electricity, gas, oil, 00:24:59.189 --> 00:25:05.719 - and water, captured or domestic animals, including birds and fish, food and drink, human remains, 00:25:05.719 --> 00:25:09.118 - and data. This has been around a while, hasn't it? 00:25:09.346 --> 00:25:21.796 - I'm sorry. This is dry up. Yes. Okay. Okay. So Mr Chair. If I just exchange the word property for anything 00:25:21.796 --> 00:25:33.898 - of value, then I read this sentence to me. We do not have a law that makes it illegal to offer anything 00:25:33.898 --> 00:25:39.134 - of value in exchange for signing a petition. 00:25:40.546 --> 00:25:57.742 - to my understanding. That's different. We can do semantics for as long as you guys are willing to stay 00:25:57.742 --> 00:26:10.430 - here. I've made my point. I'm arguing with myself over that definition, OK? 00:26:12.066 --> 00:26:22.743 - Because of that definition, maybe it would be a better term. I hate to bring her in here, but I would 00:26:22.743 --> 00:26:33.629 - almost love to hear from Ms. Sharp an explanation or a clarification, a elaboration of this. And that's 00:26:33.629 --> 00:26:38.654 - what I'm saying. I'm open to listening to that. 00:26:41.474 --> 00:26:49.862 - understanding that that's why we would have a hearing is to allow her to do that. We wouldn't be substituting 00:26:49.862 --> 00:26:57.488 - anything she said today for a hearing. And it would probably be more fair to give an advance notice 00:26:57.488 --> 00:27:05.266 - of a hearing so she would have more time to prepare. Okay if people speak out out of turn I will have 00:27:05.266 --> 00:27:06.334 - them removed. 00:27:06.786 --> 00:27:20.130 - We're having a hearing. This is not a football game. I don't need your opinions until you get to the 00:27:20.130 --> 00:27:33.342 - microphone. So let me be clear. So Indiana code 314-2-1, if they knowingly do any of the following, 00:27:34.946 --> 00:27:43.494 - they commit a level 6 felony. And it names all, sorry, it names all of those things. The definition, 00:27:43.494 --> 00:27:52.296 - we're talking about did she pay somebody for the signatures, which is not against, you can pay somebody 00:27:52.296 --> 00:28:00.929 - to collect signatures for you. She, as it sounds like you're saying, offered to exchange a service or 00:28:00.929 --> 00:28:02.622 - something of value. 00:28:03.618 --> 00:28:15.957 - I don't know. I feel like I'm not getting something across that I need to be getting across. 00:28:15.957 --> 00:28:30.154 - But the point is. She can. She can offer a service she can she can. Say it would be on whoever she offered 00:28:30.154 --> 00:28:32.542 - the service to to 00:28:32.642 --> 00:28:43.154 - this was committed, a crime was committed, or I was bribed, or whatever. I'm not interested in having 00:28:43.154 --> 00:28:53.975 - laws be violated and going unpunished. But I'm also not interested in going down rabbit holes when we're 00:28:53.975 --> 00:29:00.158 - not completely sure of the definitions. Definitions matter. 00:29:02.338 --> 00:29:08.033 - That's why I'm kind of keep up in the youth, Molly. Yeah, I mean, at this point, I think what I would 00:29:08.033 --> 00:29:13.840 - advise is that maybe we need clarity from the Indiana Election Division, and because this is not a time 00:29:13.840 --> 00:29:19.423 - sensitive complaint, this could be tabled to the September meeting. I can call the Indiana Election 00:29:19.423 --> 00:29:25.398 - Division, get clarity, provide the election board a meeting or a memo in advance of the September meeting, 00:29:25.398 --> 00:29:27.966 - and then you can decide how to go from there. 00:29:28.258 --> 00:29:35.210 - at least thinking I can see it. Go ahead. I was just going to say the way that I'm reading it and the 00:29:35.210 --> 00:29:42.230 - way that others are reading it is that this is saying you can't pay someone to sign your petition, but 00:29:42.230 --> 00:29:49.046 - you can pay someone to collect signatures. OK, that may be. And that's the way that I'm reading the 00:29:49.046 --> 00:29:56.271 - post is if you are wanting the service, I will be requesting that you get signatures, collect signatures, 00:29:56.271 --> 00:29:57.566 - not sign my sheet. 00:29:58.434 --> 00:30:07.761 - That's the way that I'm reading it, just wanted to add in. I would like that to be clear. I mean, what 00:30:07.761 --> 00:30:16.998 - you said was clear, but I'd like to have that clear from the election commission. Are you two OK with 00:30:16.998 --> 00:30:26.054 - tabling till September so we know? Tabling whether to have a hearing till September so we know from 00:30:26.054 --> 00:30:28.318 - the election commission. 00:30:29.154 --> 00:30:36.553 - So we know if this did indeed occur, is this a violation of state law? If this is not a violation of 00:30:36.553 --> 00:30:44.171 - state law, then we have nothing. Again, if it's a violation, I want to push it on. If it's not, there's 00:30:44.171 --> 00:30:51.862 - no reason to rest with it. I move that we table the discussion on whether or not to have a hearing until 00:30:51.862 --> 00:30:56.990 - September, at which point that would not be the hearing in September. 00:30:57.314 --> 00:31:07.569 - would make that clear. Yes, that would not be the hearing. Because it is not necessarily time sensitive 00:31:07.569 --> 00:31:17.923 - because it doesn't affect the ballot. Correct. Does that work for you? Not really. I think I will second 00:31:17.923 --> 00:31:26.206 - the table until we can find out. Call the roll on the table for me, please, Ashley. 00:31:28.962 --> 00:31:37.292 - This is on tabling the motion to dismiss the complaint, correct? No. I thought you said a motion on 00:31:37.292 --> 00:31:45.621 - whether we should have a hearing. A motion to table. Yeah, table the motion that you had made about 00:31:45.621 --> 00:31:54.367 - dismissing. Table them. But Clarity, I think the motion is to table the discussion on whether to proceed 00:31:54.367 --> 00:31:58.782 - with the hearing until the September meeting and for 00:31:59.010 --> 00:32:10.106 - Um. Purposes of tabling that would be the September 3rd meeting of the election board. Thank you, 00:32:10.106 --> 00:32:21.995 - thank you. Go ahead Ashley. No Danny Shields, yes. Penny Givens, yes. So that discussion is tabled until 00:32:21.995 --> 00:32:28.222 - the September 3rd. I believe you said meeting. OK, so. 00:32:28.514 --> 00:32:39.337 - I hate to say I direct this. I would request that your office and Kylie's office reach out to reach 00:32:39.337 --> 00:32:51.025 - out to the election commission and say, if this happened, is this a considered property? Is this considered 00:32:51.025 --> 00:32:57.086 - a violation? Please, thank you. Okay, so now we do have 00:32:57.538 --> 00:33:06.865 - new challenges that were received. Kylie, go ahead. So these are going to be the can one challenges. 00:33:06.865 --> 00:33:16.099 - These are a challenge against a candidate on the ballot who has filed. This is also the deadline to 00:33:16.099 --> 00:33:23.486 - receive these is tomorrow at noon. So these are just what we have at this time. 00:33:28.674 --> 00:33:38.207 - The one that we have that I'm going to bring up the one about Mr. Davis running as a write-in candidate. 00:33:38.207 --> 00:33:47.649 - So all, I believe, five of these can ones that we have today are in regards to the same candidate. Yes, 00:33:47.649 --> 00:33:57.182 - absolutely. He can call this law whatever he wants to call it. This is not tomato tomorrow. And I'm sure 00:33:57.346 --> 00:34:04.975 - in state code, it doesn't say the Indiana sore loser law. I mean, there's a code number to it. 00:34:04.975 --> 00:34:13.085 - Is he eligible? The question is, is he eligible to run as a write-in under that law? So I think that 00:34:13.085 --> 00:34:21.356 - is the question for hearing. I think what we're determining today is based on the receipt of the KN1s, 00:34:21.356 --> 00:34:26.174 - do the election board want to proceed to a hearing on those 00:34:26.402 --> 00:34:34.231 - on that issue. So today's more so accepting the challenges to then schedule the hearing. I mean, we 00:34:34.231 --> 00:34:42.530 - have to make a decision on this one. We have to make a decision on this one. Let's just make this simple. 00:34:42.530 --> 00:34:50.437 - Let's go ahead and set a date for a hearing. Is your preference to have a separate meeting or to put 00:34:50.437 --> 00:34:54.430 - this in the September 3rd and we bring sandwiches? 00:34:54.658 --> 00:35:03.839 - We have to have it decided by week from tomorrow at noon, don't we? Is it the 14th, Kyla? The date to 00:35:03.839 --> 00:35:12.840 - receive the complaints or make the challenges is August 7th at noon. The date for the challenges to 00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:22.022 - be resolved is August 14th. Yes. I am going to make a motion that we accept the complaints at today's 00:35:22.022 --> 00:35:24.542 - meeting and then the end of 00:35:24.674 --> 00:35:32.522 - our week at Election Central is very busy next week, so did we talk about the 11th and 12th? Yeah, we 00:35:32.522 --> 00:35:40.754 - had discussed it 11th and 12th, which is Tuesday and Wednesday next week. That will also have to determine 00:35:40.754 --> 00:35:48.756 - on availability of this space. I will say on Tuesday, though, morning would be better due to activities 00:35:48.756 --> 00:35:50.910 - going on within the office. 00:35:52.642 --> 00:36:01.228 - I would make a motion for either Tuesday or Wednesday, obviously, dependent upon the availability of 00:36:01.228 --> 00:36:09.899 - the space for a morning meeting. Seconded. OK. Do you have a preference on the date? No. And it'll be 00:36:09.899 --> 00:36:18.911 - a hearing. Correct. Do you have a preference on the date? The only issue I run into is I have 15-year-old 00:36:18.911 --> 00:36:21.886 - drivers at 3 o'clock on Wednesday. 00:36:22.626 --> 00:36:32.091 - So I can tell you. That's fine with me. Is it more likely to be open early Tuesday or Wednesday morning? 00:36:32.091 --> 00:36:41.285 - When I say Tuesday, Wednesday, it's interchangeable. I'd love to go Tuesday at 9 o'clock if we could. 00:36:41.285 --> 00:36:50.750 - I was going to ask Mr. King, is there a timeline we have to worry about in terms of notifying Mr. Davis? 00:36:51.426 --> 00:36:58.892 - For clarity, there are more than there are more canon one challenges than to just Mr. Davis. So you 00:36:58.892 --> 00:37:06.507 - I'm unclear if the motion is to set all the can one hearings for whatever date we are about to select 00:37:06.507 --> 00:37:14.047 - because I believe isn't that isn't his the only one that determines being on the ballot. And is that 00:37:14.047 --> 00:37:20.990 - the date that we have to have by the 14th? Yes, all five of them are for the same candidate. 00:37:21.186 --> 00:37:29.882 - But I believe what she's asking is, are we reviewing all five or just one of those Can One challenges 00:37:29.882 --> 00:37:38.408 - that were filed, since they're all for the same candidate? That is not what I was asking. I believe 00:37:38.408 --> 00:37:47.019 - there are other candidates for which there are Can One challenges. No. Oh, OK. All right, never mind 00:37:47.019 --> 00:37:49.406 - then. It is just Mr. Davis. 00:37:49.986 --> 00:37:56.760 - Are you guys are you two okay with nine o'clock Tuesday morning if the rooms available? I will have 00:37:56.760 --> 00:38:03.534 - to send mr. Davis notice and in that notice if you at the direction of the election board I will be 00:38:03.534 --> 00:38:10.578 - including the copies of the can one the IC codes that I think are pertinent which I believe are Indiana 00:38:10.578 --> 00:38:14.846 - code 3812 and then the IC code for the sore loser law and so I 00:38:20.034 --> 00:38:27.268 - I almost think Wednesday's the better day to ensure that we can get notice out an adequate time for 00:38:27.268 --> 00:38:34.575 - him to receive it because I would also it's the next item listed on the agenda would want to include 00:38:34.575 --> 00:38:41.882 - rules and procedures for the hearing. I'm okay with Wednesday morning if you guys are. I'm sure it's 00:38:41.882 --> 00:38:47.742 - going by certified mail but once again I am also offering I will drive it to his 00:38:48.226 --> 00:38:55.597 - residents to be sure that he has something in hand. I can do that today. Last time I emailed it to him 00:38:55.597 --> 00:39:03.182 - and asked for a delivery receipt in addition to the certified mail. I would counsel you to send certified 00:39:03.182 --> 00:39:10.553 - mail as well because of our experience. We always send the certified mail. Because of our experiences. 00:39:10.553 --> 00:39:17.566 - So tentatively we will set this for Wednesday August 12th at 9 a.m. Assuming we can get the room. 00:39:18.018 --> 00:39:31.582 - Please send that out. I hesitate to some extent to say we don't need. The show and tell we got the last 00:39:31.582 --> 00:39:45.406 - one of those. Okay, we don't need that. You know this is a question of state law period end of story. So. 00:39:46.594 --> 00:39:54.062 - I would appreciate that going in as well. I think the letter does indicate, though, that he has the 00:39:54.062 --> 00:40:01.605 - right to present evidence. And so I don't know that we can caveat and limit it, unfortunately. Yeah, 00:40:01.605 --> 00:40:09.522 - OK. So I will send Mr. Davis, just for clarity, at the direction of the election board, a letter advising 00:40:09.522 --> 00:40:16.318 - him that the hearing is being set for August 12 at 9 AM, a copy of the Can One challenges. 00:40:17.058 --> 00:40:28.411 - the IC codes 3812 and then the IC code for the sore loser law. And then once you adopt rules and procedures, 00:40:28.411 --> 00:40:40.702 - a copy of the rules and procedures. That works. And let's move right on to your copies. I have a resolution prepared. 00:40:41.026 --> 00:40:48.358 - resolution. That adopts rules and procedures. It is the exact same rules and procedures that you used 00:40:48.358 --> 00:40:56.122 - for the June 4th hearing, except when you adopted this resolution for the June 4th hearing, it was specific 00:40:56.122 --> 00:41:03.382 - for June 4th. So what I did was indicate that we have had received some complaints and it references 00:41:03.382 --> 00:41:08.414 - IC code 36531 and 3812. That's both the complaint and this challenge. 00:41:08.706 --> 00:41:14.765 - And then it establishes rules and procedures. But I indicated in the third whereas clause that the election 00:41:14.765 --> 00:41:20.824 - board for efficiency wishes to use these established rules and procedures for the current pending complaint 00:41:20.824 --> 00:41:26.434 - challenges and any future complaint challenges unless otherwise identified by the election board to 00:41:26.434 --> 00:41:32.269 - simply prevent you from having to do adopt rules and procedures for every hearing. This is what we used 00:41:32.269 --> 00:41:37.374 - last time. So there's no surprises. I can gladly go through the eight items if you'd like. 00:41:37.570 --> 00:41:46.124 - But in summary, it gives the complaint an opportunity to present gives the candidate an opportunity 00:41:46.124 --> 00:41:54.763 - to present. And then. Identifies that the election board will close the hearing and make a decision. 00:41:54.763 --> 00:42:04.001 - I will make a motion to accept the procedures as we have been given. I will second. Yes, go ahead question. 00:42:04.001 --> 00:42:07.166 - Does this cover all five complaints? 00:42:07.938 --> 00:42:14.857 - Yes, so this would apply to all the complaints currently pending against any candidate and then any 00:42:14.857 --> 00:42:21.914 - future complaints or challenges for any candidate. I do think the election board can indicate whether 00:42:21.914 --> 00:42:28.902 - they will be hearing five separate hearings or if it will be all combined in one. I think given it's 00:42:28.902 --> 00:42:35.821 - the same candidate, it makes sense to do one hearing. And it's all the same complaint. It's just by 00:42:35.821 --> 00:42:37.758 - different people. Yeah. OK. 00:42:38.722 --> 00:42:49.112 - We have a motion. Go ahead. Clerk Brown? Yes. Danny Shields? Yes. Penny Givens? Yes. Okay, thank you. 00:42:49.112 --> 00:42:59.298 - Procedure to handle challenges received after the meeting and before the election, August 7th. So I 00:42:59.298 --> 00:43:04.798 - added this to the agenda to just cover any procedure. 00:43:04.962 --> 00:43:12.347 - In the event that the election office receives a complaint after this board meeting is adjourned and 00:43:12.347 --> 00:43:20.025 - before the deadline at noon, we would have to have a hearing on that challenge. And so my recommendation 00:43:20.025 --> 00:43:27.556 - is the board advise adopt that any hearings received between the end of this meeting and noon tomorrow 00:43:27.556 --> 00:43:31.358 - will also be heard on the August 12th date and then 00:43:31.586 --> 00:43:45.512 - I don't know that I anticipate receiving any new complaints, but I mean, given the quickly approaching 00:43:45.512 --> 00:43:59.168 - deadline for resolving these complaints, I don't know that you have time to have a second hearing if 00:43:59.168 --> 00:44:00.926 - we get a new 00:44:02.114 --> 00:44:09.944 - I'm no statistician. What are the odds of someone submitting a complaint after they all knew we were 00:44:09.944 --> 00:44:17.852 - going to be together, that this was a publicly called meeting and this was their chance to where they 00:44:17.852 --> 00:44:24.830 - have a captive audience. So I'm fine with that, but what are the odds of us getting that? 00:44:25.186 --> 00:44:32.125 - Yeah, I'll say I agree. The only time that we really see any last minute filings or candidate filings, 00:44:32.125 --> 00:44:38.997 - and those are generally because they're waiting to that last minute to file their candidacy paperwork 00:44:38.997 --> 00:44:45.936 - so that they're kind of one of those last minute entries. Are you OK with adding any other complaints? 00:44:45.936 --> 00:44:52.606 - The morning and authorizing Mr King to send out notice. So yes, if you get other other challenges, 00:44:53.154 --> 00:45:02.930 - that will go Mr Davis at nine and. Anything else that comes would be. Following directly after. Do you 00:45:02.930 --> 00:45:12.802 - need a motion on that? I think that makes it cleaner. If there's a motion that I will move that we have 00:45:12.802 --> 00:45:21.534 - a any other. Canada complaints. Follow the. First be of the 10 o'clock went on August 12th. 00:45:23.714 --> 00:45:35.457 - Authorized, Ms. Turner-King. Yeah, you are authorized to do your magic. Ashley. Clerk Brown. Yes. Danny 00:45:35.457 --> 00:45:46.861 - Shields. Yes. Penny Givens. Yes. Do you have to rehearse that, Ashley? Do you have to rehearse that? 00:45:46.861 --> 00:45:52.958 - No. OK, good. OK. Approval of general election staff. 00:45:53.474 --> 00:45:59.958 - you have anything for us on that or? Yeah, so yes, the last two items in your packet are going to be 00:45:59.958 --> 00:46:06.378 - won a letter from the Democratic Party chair for their appointees and the email from the Republican 00:46:06.378 --> 00:46:12.926 - Party chair for their appointees. This is going to include ABS leads, early voting leads and Election 00:46:12.926 --> 00:46:19.667 - Day recruiter. I will state that the Republican Party has filled all of their open spots. The Democratic 00:46:19.667 --> 00:46:23.070 - Party is still one short on their early voting lead. 00:46:29.410 --> 00:46:38.212 - If we can get that between now and Tuesday, can we add that to the agenda after the hearings have concluded? 00:46:38.212 --> 00:46:46.288 - I'm looking at Molly for that one. I was unaware that you were approving election staff today, so I 00:46:46.288 --> 00:46:54.444 - do not have a resolution to approve such prepared. I can prepare it for the 12th. Then would we have 00:46:54.444 --> 00:46:58.078 - to notice a separate meeting or can we just? 00:47:01.762 --> 00:47:08.141 - reconvene this meeting on the 12th then also. I would just recommend doing a notice. It can be all one 00:47:08.141 --> 00:47:14.521 - notice, a notice of the public hearing and a notice of the election board meeting. You would just have 00:47:14.521 --> 00:47:20.529 - to close the public hearing before having general business of the election board. Let's do that. 00:47:20.529 --> 00:47:26.908 - That's fine. That works. And that gives time for the party chair. Can you reach out to the party chair 00:47:26.908 --> 00:47:30.686 - and let them know that got a little bit grace until Tuesday. 00:47:30.818 --> 00:47:39.341 - Yeah, I'll let them know that they have a extended time. This wire was received this morning, so I'll 00:47:39.341 --> 00:47:48.030 - contact her. Thank you. OK, we need. For our public comment, we have a Mr Burton. We have. Yes, we have 00:47:48.030 --> 00:47:55.550 - a vendor on who has been upgraded to a panelist who wanted to address the election board. 00:47:58.978 --> 00:48:05.964 - Good afternoon, members of the election board. Can you hear me okay? Yes, we can. Thank you so much 00:48:05.964 --> 00:48:13.159 - for your time. I'm Jeremy Burton and my firm represents Elector Learning. And it's a company that does 00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:20.355 - one thing, custom online poll worker training for election workers. And we're based in Tampa, Florida, 00:48:20.355 --> 00:48:21.822 - founded specifically 00:48:21.986 --> 00:48:29.932 - and everything they build is designed around the real challenges of training people who only work a 00:48:29.932 --> 00:48:38.275 - few days a year. I was able to demonstrate the product to your staff. They've already seen the platform. 00:48:38.275 --> 00:48:46.698 - I'm simply here today to introduce the company to the full board and answer questions. Here's why offices 00:48:46.698 --> 00:48:50.750 - though, benefit though, consistency, every worker, 00:48:51.266 --> 00:48:58.804 - gets the same training, no more variation, accessibility available anytime, anywhere, accountability 00:48:58.804 --> 00:49:06.416 - with clear reporting and grading. And it complements what you already do. We had a great conversation 00:49:06.416 --> 00:49:14.177 - with the staff and we see some real cost benefits long-term and just poll worker recruiting even a tool 00:49:14.177 --> 00:49:20.670 - for poll worker recruitment. And I wanted to bring this to the board's attention today 00:49:21.026 --> 00:49:29.446 - Just so I could offer the opportunity to have a demonstration set up in the election office and members 00:49:29.446 --> 00:49:38.109 - of the board could come see it as well, as you consider making this improvement to your election training, 00:49:38.109 --> 00:49:42.238 - which is already doing really well in Indiana, but 00:49:42.946 --> 00:49:49.304 - Monroe County could be the first in Indiana to adopt this online poll worker training model that's been 00:49:49.304 --> 00:49:55.540 - designed and being used all around the country, just not here in Indiana yet. There are some counties 00:49:55.540 --> 00:50:01.593 - who have sort of developed their own online training, but this training, which will be customized, 00:50:01.593 --> 00:50:07.707 - specialized for Monroe County is a unique opportunity. And I think the staff was impressed with it. 00:50:07.707 --> 00:50:11.742 - And I am happy to take in your questions and I thank you for your 00:50:12.130 --> 00:50:21.860 - a couple of minutes here on your meeting. I can add some information. So when Jeremy came to the office, 00:50:21.860 --> 00:50:31.312 - he was able to meet up with the individual who works really on the company side of things. And we got 00:50:31.312 --> 00:50:39.838 - to meet the individual and also just get to see how everything works with this software. We 00:50:40.002 --> 00:50:46.007 - had discussions within the office during and after having the meeting with him, and this is something 00:50:46.007 --> 00:50:52.011 - that we think would be exciting to add to Monroe County, but also definitely want all of the election 00:50:52.011 --> 00:50:55.838 - board to be able to have a view on it and have some ideas on it. 00:50:55.970 --> 00:51:02.425 - something that we're not necessarily looking for for this year, but something definitely to think about 00:51:02.425 --> 00:51:08.632 - for next year, coming into the next election, and allowing that to be something that the next clerk 00:51:08.632 --> 00:51:15.149 - can have a decision on as well. With this, it has amazing benefits to it. One thing that we were looking 00:51:15.149 --> 00:51:21.543 - at with this is we could use this as a supplement to our training so that they have all of their forms 00:51:21.543 --> 00:51:22.846 - and day-to-day, what 00:51:22.978 --> 00:51:28.255 - their task and outline is going to look like for that day, all of that be on their online portion. And 00:51:28.255 --> 00:51:33.429 - then we have an in-person session where they have hands-on experience with the equipment, really get 00:51:33.429 --> 00:51:38.705 - into detail with the equipment as well, but then also be able to answer those questions that they have 00:51:38.705 --> 00:51:43.930 - and be able to offer more open house kind of settings where if somebody doesn't feel comfortable with 00:51:43.930 --> 00:51:49.309 - the equipment, they can come in at any time to work on that equipment and be able to be more comfortable 00:51:49.309 --> 00:51:50.590 - going into election day. 00:51:51.810 --> 00:52:00.602 - Mr. Chair, just to- Go ahead, Nicole. Mr. Chair, and certainly Jeremy can speak for himself. The only 00:52:00.602 --> 00:52:09.308 - thing that I would add to what Kylie said, Mr. Jeremy is too modest to tout his own accomplishments, 00:52:09.308 --> 00:52:16.894 - but he has been a longtime professional in the election world and is very familiar with 00:52:17.154 --> 00:52:40.030 - I think it would be well worth the board's 00:52:40.226 --> 00:52:46.841 - that you have to purchase anything. Just looking to see if it might be a good fit, as Kylie said, to 00:52:46.841 --> 00:52:53.783 - supplement. Certainly not taking away from the in-person training that has become so imperative to Monroe 00:52:53.783 --> 00:53:00.594 - County. Sorry about that, Mr. Jeremy, didn't mean to step on you. Well, thank you so much, Madam Clerk, 00:53:00.594 --> 00:53:07.406 - for the kind words. It's my honor to have worked with Monroe County elections for so many years. I love 00:53:07.406 --> 00:53:08.126 - elections. 00:53:08.546 --> 00:53:17.090 - And one of the things, Kylie, we talked about in her office is using this online training for your poll 00:53:17.090 --> 00:53:25.470 - worker recruiters to be able to go ahead and message the people who say they want to be poll workers. 00:53:25.470 --> 00:53:33.932 - Then they can go ahead and do the hard work questions and tests that the state has around election law 00:53:33.932 --> 00:53:37.054 - using the app and take quizzes on it. 00:53:37.794 --> 00:53:46.921 - And then they can use the in-person time to be more effective with the online training, walking through 00:53:46.921 --> 00:53:56.574 - scenarios that are difficult. Getting through all the initial training to the real world practice is what the 00:53:57.282 --> 00:54:04.114 - it'd be most valuable to use for the in-person training. And if someone doesn't fill out the online 00:54:04.114 --> 00:54:11.083 - training, it means they're really not interested anyways. And so I think it's a good way to make your 00:54:11.083 --> 00:54:18.052 - in-person training more effective, but also as an effective recruiting tool. And I'll work with Kylie 00:54:18.052 --> 00:54:25.499 - and we'll set up a time in the office that the board can come look at the product. I think this is something 00:54:25.499 --> 00:54:27.070 - the board cares about. 00:54:27.522 --> 00:54:33.310 - and wants to have a long-term view to make sure it keeps getting better and more effective. Thank you. 00:54:34.658 --> 00:54:40.007 - I will also, there is another key feature to this that he reminded me of. You can create groups inside 00:54:40.007 --> 00:54:45.201 - of this software. So we could have groups for the inspectors, groups for the judges, groups for the 00:54:45.201 --> 00:54:50.394 - clerks, and be able to give them certain information that is key to them. But then also on election 00:54:50.394 --> 00:54:55.743 - day, if there's something they need to go back to, they can use that app to go back to that and check, 00:54:55.743 --> 00:55:01.041 - OK, this is where that was. And this is the information that I can quickly get to. But in addition to 00:55:01.041 --> 00:55:04.624 - the binders that we present to the inspectors so that they have both 00:55:04.624 --> 00:55:09.552 - those if they're in a dire situation where they need that immediately. Or, for instance, reaching out 00:55:09.552 --> 00:55:14.479 - to inspectors on election day. An easy, quick way to have just a group and we can send them a message 00:55:14.479 --> 00:55:19.358 - and say, hey, this is what's going on. Make sure that you're doing these steps and these procedures. 00:55:19.358 --> 00:55:24.286 - Or if there's any kind of weather coming in, we can reach out to the inspectors through that as well. 00:55:24.286 --> 00:55:29.310 - Because on our poll books that we have, we have the message feature where we can send out to every poll 00:55:29.310 --> 00:55:34.576 - book, but that doesn't guarantee that the inspector is going to see that message because they're not sitting 00:55:34.576 --> 00:55:40.508 - out a poll book. So it's adding that extra layer of communication that we can get in there on top of 00:55:40.508 --> 00:55:46.381 - being able to use it for the training and also using it for the recruiters to be able to streamline 00:55:46.381 --> 00:55:52.312 - their recruiting process and automatically getting them started on that training and then getting to 00:55:52.312 --> 00:55:58.714 - sign up for that in-person training to go more in-depth and spend more time on the hands-on and in real-time 00:55:58.714 --> 00:56:04.528 - situations that can happen and give us more time to have more of like a role-play situation inside 00:56:04.528 --> 00:56:10.529 - of the training in person since we are already running out of time in our training some of the times 00:56:10.529 --> 00:56:16.531 - and other times if it's a group of inspectors or judges or clerks who've done this over and over and 00:56:16.531 --> 00:56:22.591 - over again and they already know most of the information then they're getting that first portion that 00:56:22.591 --> 00:56:28.652 - we really spent a lot of time on during training out of the way before they even show up to training. 00:56:28.652 --> 00:56:30.910 - I struggle to have too much training. 00:56:34.370 --> 00:56:43.783 - Any comments? I just wanted to ask, again, the name of the company. Yes, ma'am. It's called ElectSure, 00:56:43.783 --> 00:56:52.922 - all one word, training. And it is the best in the country. Major jurisdictions and small all around 00:56:52.922 --> 00:57:02.335 - the country are using it today. And it's a growing company in Indiana. So thank you. I like that name. 00:57:02.335 --> 00:57:03.614 - That's funny. 00:57:05.378 --> 00:57:16.364 - All right. Thank you, sir. Very much. Unless you guys have something else. No, thank you, Jeremy. Okay, 00:57:16.364 --> 00:57:27.033 - then we will open the two other public comment. If you have some come to the to the lectern and sign 00:57:27.033 --> 00:57:31.998 - in, please. There might not be paper up there. 00:57:52.610 --> 00:58:00.095 - Yes, yeah, restart the clock, please. Since she was getting paper restart her 3 minutes, please. 00:58:00.095 --> 00:58:07.966 - Am I good? Yes, it's been reset. Yes, I see that. OK, I just want to start off by saying I don't mind 00:58:07.966 --> 00:58:16.068 - if you guys have 50 more meetings or hearings over if I violated the state code because I did not. There 00:58:16.068 --> 00:58:21.470 - will not be one piece of evidence presented because I didn't receive. 00:58:22.306 --> 00:58:29.309 - a sheet of signatures, one signature, not a dollar, nothing for the help and advice that I offered the 00:58:29.309 --> 00:58:36.108 - taxpayers to tell them the public information that's on the Department of Local Government Finances 00:58:36.108 --> 00:58:43.043 - website that they are allowed to access. Anybody can talk about the tax assessment system. So I'm not 00:58:43.043 --> 00:58:50.590 - worried about that, have 20 more. There's not gonna be any evidence. What I do wanna say is I'm very concerned 00:58:51.010 --> 00:59:00.201 - that you, Danny Shields, a sitting member of this board, you have for over a year targeted me, attacked 00:59:00.201 --> 00:59:09.303 - me in person to people. You've approached people on social media. You've text people in person. You've 00:59:09.303 --> 00:59:16.638 - told them to stay away from me, don't support me, not have anything to do with me. 00:59:17.826 --> 00:59:25.039 - actually threatened people within your own party that if they supported me, there would be retaliation 00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:32.042 - against them. And you attended a signature event in Ellisville to see who showed up. So that's very 00:59:32.042 --> 00:59:39.395 - concerning to me that a member of this board that has anything to do with my candidacy has been treating 00:59:39.395 --> 00:59:46.468 - me this way. Although you have yet to have one conversation with me. That's the only thing I want to 00:59:46.468 --> 00:59:47.518 - say other than 00:59:47.618 --> 00:59:54.546 - I'm not even going to address anything, so I'm not surprised by you. I don't even know how you're allowed 00:59:54.546 --> 01:00:01.147 - to have anything to do with Monroe County. After our current jail justice center debacle, you should 01:00:01.147 --> 01:00:07.683 - have no input with this county at all. And I do want to just thank Nicole Brown, because you're the 01:00:07.683 --> 01:00:13.630 - only sitting member up here with common sense and integrity. And that's all I have to say. 01:00:20.706 --> 01:00:30.423 - There's a lot of, first of all, quite an imagination there, thank you. The meeting that I attended, 01:00:30.423 --> 01:00:40.141 - here's how I attended the meeting. I had five hours of 15-year-old drivers that morning and drivers 01:00:40.141 --> 01:00:46.846 - in. I went home at two o'clock, I got my trailer, I went to Menards, 01:00:47.234 --> 01:00:54.682 - and I bought $400 worth of treated lumber, including pieces 14 feet long. Anybody that's carried pieces 01:00:54.682 --> 01:01:01.986 - of lumber that low know what it weighs. I took it home, I put it up on the deck to work on it. I said 01:01:01.986 --> 01:01:09.219 - to my wife, let's just go to the Chinese restaurant in the Wiesman Plaza, because by now it was 6.15 01:01:09.219 --> 01:01:13.086 - or so. I drove into the parking lot of Wiesman Plaza, 01:01:14.114 --> 01:01:20.387 - I drove up the first row of parking. There was no place to park. I made a circle around again. I came 01:01:20.387 --> 01:01:26.660 - up and did find a parking place. I walked out of the car, went across the street, remembered I forgot 01:01:26.660 --> 01:01:33.179 - my phone, went back and got the phone. We went into the restaurant where we spent about 35 minutes having 01:01:33.179 --> 01:01:39.390 - dinner. I walked back out. We got in the car and I left. If that's attending your signing, if that's 01:01:39.390 --> 01:01:43.326 - attending your signing, you do have quite an imagination. Okay? 01:01:43.778 --> 01:01:53.474 - In the letter that you sent and by the way nice AI letter. I appreciate that. It said we sat in the 01:01:53.474 --> 01:02:03.460 - car and watched. We sat in the restaurant and had dinner. OK, so you can continue. You can make up all 01:02:03.460 --> 01:02:12.574 - the stuff you want to make up. I don't care. I don't care. But. We're not going anywhere. OK. 01:02:12.802 --> 01:02:21.159 - guess who was the one that made the motion to table the complaint against you when it was originally 01:02:21.159 --> 01:02:29.929 - filed that's fine that's fine so that's if that's attending a meeting going to a restaurant that happened 01:02:29.929 --> 01:02:38.782 - to be in the same parking i guess everybody in in who's your bar and grill attended the meeting that night 01:02:39.394 --> 01:02:47.758 - everybody in IGA attended the meeting that night. If that's what it takes. So go ahead, ma'am. Next. 01:02:47.758 --> 01:02:56.205 - Ma'am. I love it. Thank you. Well, you know, we've known each other for a couple years. I understand. 01:02:56.205 --> 01:03:04.734 - Restart the clock for us. Thank you. I'm Regina Moore. I've been on all sides of elections, candidate, 01:03:04.734 --> 01:03:06.142 - party officer. I 01:03:06.594 --> 01:03:15.311 - I think I fairly much understand the process. This is a part of a message that I sent to you the night 01:03:15.311 --> 01:03:24.366 - of the election in May. And it says, first off, we voted in a new location today. And much to my surprise, 01:03:24.366 --> 01:03:31.390 - it was easy, good parking, accessible. My husband's using a rolling walker, and he 01:03:31.490 --> 01:03:37.848 - found it to be really easy to get in and out. So thank you for that. The staff was friendly, happy. 01:03:37.848 --> 01:03:44.397 - We got hugs. It was wonderful. Younger people staffing the polls. I thought it was great. But I wanted 01:03:44.397 --> 01:03:50.755 - to tell you just a little story from today. It happened to me, who should have known better. But if 01:03:50.755 --> 01:03:57.177 - it could happen to me, it can happen to anyone with maybe a much different consequence. This is what 01:03:57.177 --> 01:04:01.246 - I posted today on social media. Did you ever spoil your ballot? 01:04:02.050 --> 01:04:09.315 - I should have known better. I should have followed my instinct. After voting for state convention delegates 01:04:09.315 --> 01:04:16.043 - on the ballot, I counted them up and I found that I had voted for 23 instead of 22 as instructed on 01:04:16.043 --> 01:04:22.972 - the ballot. The person checking a ballot at the machines, I said, I spoiled my ballot and I need a new 01:04:22.972 --> 01:04:29.834 - one. And she said, well, let's put it in the machine and see what happens. So I did. The machine spit 01:04:29.834 --> 01:04:30.910 - out the ballot. 01:04:31.522 --> 01:04:40.593 - And the screen message said that I had overvoted in race X. That was the convention delegates. She said, 01:04:40.593 --> 01:04:48.800 - your ballot will still count if you press the screen button that said, count my ballot anyway. 01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:57.611 - So I did it. I knew that it was a mistake. I knew that I should have asked for a new ballot. I should 01:04:57.611 --> 01:04:59.166 - have insisted it. 01:04:59.266 --> 01:05:06.617 - But I didn't. I listened to the little lady that was there, and I should have known better. So I don't 01:05:06.617 --> 01:05:13.896 - think that any of my votes counted at all on that line. Now, it's state convention delegate. It's not 01:05:13.896 --> 01:05:21.032 - that big of a deal. However, we do have other races where at large there may be four or five people 01:05:21.032 --> 01:05:23.102 - running. You vote for three. 01:05:23.650 --> 01:05:32.427 - If I had over voted on that and said, count it, count it, it still wouldn't have counted. So I think 01:05:32.427 --> 01:05:41.117 - that I want to offer any assistance I have that I could give you in helping the election staff know 01:05:41.117 --> 01:05:42.942 - about these kinds of 01:05:43.106 --> 01:05:48.987 - little things that can happen. I'm happy to help train. I'm happy to help tell my cautionary tale. I'm 01:05:48.987 --> 01:05:54.697 - happy to help do anything I can to make this situation never happen again. It wasn't, as I said, it 01:05:54.697 --> 01:06:00.521 - wasn't critical this time, but it could be in other elections. So I just wanted to let you know about 01:06:00.521 --> 01:06:06.231 - that. Let you know that there was a little snafu down at the Boys and Girls Club, but it worked out 01:06:06.231 --> 01:06:11.998 - okay and just offering my help. So thanks so much. I think you all know how to get in touch with me. 01:06:12.098 --> 01:06:18.989 - and I'm happy to help if I can. Oh, and one more question. The elect sure training that you just talked 01:06:18.989 --> 01:06:26.079 - about, just heard about, how is that tied in or is it sanctioned by the state of Indiana? Is it sanctioned 01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:32.904 - by the state election board? I have a question about that. Thanks. So Mr. Chair, if I may, for my dear 01:06:32.904 --> 01:06:39.530 - friend Regina Moore, we've known each other for a number of years now. I know that you know, so I'm 01:06:39.530 --> 01:06:41.982 - probably preaching to the choir that 01:06:42.274 --> 01:06:50.678 - when the time comes for the election board to reconcile ballots and adjudicate ballots, if it is that 01:06:50.678 --> 01:06:58.918 - race, so the state delegate race, we all come together and we look and if we can determine what you 01:06:58.918 --> 01:07:07.157 - meant and we get messages, we get, I meant this one with an arrow or things like that, then we will 01:07:07.157 --> 01:07:10.206 - do our best to take what you gave us 01:07:11.106 --> 01:07:17.540 - and do that so if you voted for 23 but you meant you needed to vote for 22 if for the third one you 01:07:17.540 --> 01:07:23.974 - were said not this one we see that and we're like okay she didn't mean that and we can reconcile in 01:07:23.974 --> 01:07:30.408 - real time your vote if we can't and we certainly had some races where we were like I they voted for 01:07:30.408 --> 01:07:34.462 - both of them and we all had to say we don't know who they mean 01:07:34.658 --> 01:07:41.759 - vote. And if we don't make a determination, then we just throw out that race. The rest of your ballot 01:07:41.759 --> 01:07:48.999 - council. I want to reassure you, my dear friend that your ballot was counted at least through that race 01:07:48.999 --> 01:07:56.099 - up until that race as you intended it. If we couldn't make a determination and I don't know now, I've 01:07:56.099 --> 01:08:03.966 - slept a little bit since the primary. Um then it would have just been the delegate race that was thrown out. I'm 01:08:04.354 --> 01:08:12.474 - when we had our, what's your fancy term for ballot reconciliation? Yeah, we did it. And then as to the 01:08:12.474 --> 01:08:20.752 - accreditation of the person, that probably would have been a better question for Mr. Jeremy, who stepped 01:08:20.752 --> 01:08:28.794 - away. He's using it in other states. It's not been used in Indiana. We would actually probably be the 01:08:28.794 --> 01:08:33.918 - pilot county for Indiana if the board were so inclined to accept 01:08:34.114 --> 01:08:41.326 - and I want to be very clear. The intent is to supplement, not replace any of the amazing training that 01:08:41.326 --> 01:08:48.818 - we already have going on in Monroe County, which gives me a chance to give Miss Ashley a shout out because 01:08:48.818 --> 01:08:54.910 - she works her buns off for you all to make sure that your training is top notch. Okay. 01:08:55.458 --> 01:09:00.988 - And then I just want to add to that, Regina, if you'll stay back so I can talk to you a little bit about 01:09:00.988 --> 01:09:06.412 - that. And so I can get a little bit more information so I can see about some of the poll workers there 01:09:06.412 --> 01:09:11.679 - and wanting to see if they were new poll workers, older poll workers, because if it's older groups, 01:09:11.679 --> 01:09:17.472 - then it's like a group of the veteran poll workers, then I definitely want to make sure that we're re-hitting 01:09:17.472 --> 01:09:22.844 - that. But if it's one of our new ones, then I want to see if we can maybe change some of that to make 01:09:22.844 --> 01:09:25.214 - it more accessible and easier to understand. 01:09:28.930 --> 01:09:47.000 - Any other? Just come to the microphone if you want to speak. I just want to say that I didn't know Janae 01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:56.638 - from Adam or Eve. But I feel like Judy Sharp has really 01:09:57.218 --> 01:10:05.763 - been on my back since she dealt with my husband who has since passed. And so I thought that she needed 01:10:05.763 --> 01:10:14.058 - some competition. And the reason I am here is because I am so against voter suppression that I feel 01:10:14.058 --> 01:10:22.437 - like is going on in our country right now. And I want to see that voter suppression isn't done here. 01:10:22.437 --> 01:10:24.926 - And that was my whole reason. 01:10:26.946 --> 01:10:34.208 - Thank you. Thank you. Very nice to see you. And I, I don't want to speak on behalf of you. Did you sign 01:10:34.208 --> 01:10:41.261 - the sheet? I don't want to speak on behalf of the entire board, but I do want to say I, and again, I 01:10:41.261 --> 01:10:48.524 - am one of three. Um, I am not at all interested in any type or semblance of voter suppression in Monroe 01:10:48.524 --> 01:10:53.342 - County. And as long as my name is on the bottom line of an election, 01:10:53.602 --> 01:11:03.190 - there is not going to be voter suppression in Monroe County. Sorry, it's not on there again. That's 01:11:03.190 --> 01:11:12.874 - very kind of you to say. Anyone else? Thing from board members. I am reaching out to Jeremy just for 01:11:12.874 --> 01:11:22.750 - Miss Regina to confirm that a lecture is accredited and he is responding and he said yes, Miss Regina. 01:11:26.018 --> 01:11:33.469 - Mr. Chair, unless you have other speakers, I will make a motion to adjourn. I'll second that. 01:11:33.469 --> 01:11:41.713 - Those in favor, aye. Aye. Motion carries. We will reconvene on August 12th at 9 o'clock, unless we hear 01:11:41.713 --> 01:11:49.798 - differently from Molly that we can't get through. And yeah, we have some forms to sign here, I think, 01:11:49.798 --> 01:11:52.414 - don't we? We need to sign those. 01:11:53.890 --> 01:12:03.646 - I have the one resolution, which I have a one-sided document for you to sign.