I'd like to call to order the Monroe County Public Library Board of Trustees meeting for May 20th, 2026. If we could go around and introduce ourselves, and if you'd like to, you can share something that you're reading. I'm Nancy Van Allen, and just late last night, I started listening to Dan Chong, C-H-A-O-N, highly recommend him. He has short stories, and so, I guess, and I started Ill Will, which is a novel. just this morning on my way to work. So we'll see. Hi, everyone. My name is Jennifer Whitley. If anyone understands the reference, who is John Galt? I just finished Atlas Shrugged. It took me a little longer to finish near the end of the academic school year, but I finally finished it. I'm Whitney Eads, and I am just starting. I have a summer read for school. for middle school, and it's called An Astronaut's Guide to Life on Earth. So I'm going to start that. I'm Jamie Burkhart, and I just picked up Bruiser. I feel like I read it maybe 10 years ago, but it's been a doozy of a couple weeks, and it was making me think of this book, and so I decided to pick it back up. I'm Greer Carson. I'm reading Jonathan Height's book the anxious generation, and my family is replaying Fallout New Vegas, and I really don't know why, but it's perfect right now. I'm Amy O'Shaughnessy. I'm listening to Kin by Tayari Jones. And I'm Chris Hull, and I thought it was on here, the one I just finished. Oh, in her defense. And now I'm listening to Violent Thistleweight is not a villain anymore. Do we have anybody available for public comment? in any sense Oh, OK. OK. Got you. All in favor of approval of last consent agenda say aye. Those opposed say nay. Ayes have it. We'll do a quick check in with our online guest. You have a chat. Okay. We can. We'll check in after the director's report. So now we will hear from Greer. Okay, a few highlights as always. Once again, our overall collection use was very strong last month. It continued the trend we've seen since October of last year. And once again, digital collection use is significantly higher this year than it's been over the past four years. We've completed our Ellisville staff space improvements, including relocating the public service desks, moving the patron hold shelves, creating a new and more private staff workspace and program prep area, installing new carpet and fixing a host of plumbing and electrical issues. We'll be making improvements to our vital and outreach services workspaces next and expect to complete these before the end of the year. We've had very positive initial staff engagement with the Hoosier START program and held four informational sessions on site in late April. The reps have been great to work with and staff participation in the supplemental retirement program has been much higher than with our previous plan. So thank you all for approving this improved benefit for our staff. Our strategic planning team has begun meeting and will soon draft plans for gathering community input on what our next strategic goals should be. Community surveys, partner agency meetings, staff surveys, and focus group meetings will all be part of this feedback process. We'll share a draft of the new plan in November with you all and then look to formally adopt the final draft at our December meeting. And thank you to Whitney Eads for serving on this committee as our board representative. And finally, the Friends of the Library's spring book sale was a resounding success. It occurred in here last month over the course of about four days. and it saw record sales totaling over twelve thousand dollars so congratulations to the friends and uh... we're very excited to see that happy to answer any questions about the directors report one more check-in it's just real life right At this time, can I get a motion to hear about the annual budget process and our updated board calendar from Gary? The approval process for the 2027 budget will change this year for Indiana libraries. In the past, library budgets were approved by the Library Board of Trustees. Indiana House Bill 1406 adds another layer of approval to the library budget process. If a library wants to receive the same increase in their budget, as other local government units receive, then libraries have to go through a binding review process, which involves county council approval. The binding review can be avoided if the library accepts less than half the normal growth quotient increase. So what does this mean for library board's involvement in the budget process? In the past, The library started the budget review process at the July board meeting. This will continue. We'll present the budget detail to the board in July as we have done in the past. This will be the time to identify any questions or concerns. Changes can be made if necessary. The following board meeting in August is typically when we present the public advertisement for the library board approval. So we will still review the public advertisement in August, but the public notice for the library's budget will be included with the county's 2027 budget notice to the public. Yes. I have a quick question about that before you go on. when you're saying that will be included with the county council notice, we were advertising the same next to them within them at their meeting. So when we do the input into the gateway budget system, one of the first things that they asked for is, are you doing a binding review or non binding? And then they asked for the public hearing date and the adoption date. So we will provide that. And then the gateway budget system is also the public notice system. And so I'm not exactly sure how it will look. But that's in August. By then I should be able to do a PDF of the whole county notice that includes the library. And we can review that at that time. But that's the way I think it will work. So the public notice for the 2027 budget will be available on the Gateway website. which has all the local government budget reports. The MCPL budget will be included with county budget information for 2027. A big change this year is that MCPL will have to submit the 2027 budget in Gateway before September 1st. In the past, we submitted the budget in Gateway after the October meeting when the budget was adopted. Now looking forward at the September MCPL board meeting, the current board calendar says there will be a public hearing meeting on September 16th along with a regular board meeting. So we're asking the board to approve a revised board calendar today. The new calendar will not include a separate September meeting for a public hearing on the budget. During the regular meeting for September, we'll have an agenda item for a budget update and review of the county council public hearing. Greer and I will be attending the county public hearing on the budget. If the county council follows the same pattern this year for their public hearing on the budget, then it would be on Tuesday September 29th. We'll show that date on the August public advertisement along with the location which will probably be the courthouse. It looks like the adoption meeting for the county council will occur on October 13th based on last year. I've reached out to the county to confirm when They plan to have their public hearing and adoption meetings waiting to hear back on that. The MCPL board meeting will be on October 21st. The MCPL board calendar will be updated to show that there will be a review of the county council budget adoption at the October MCPL board meeting instead of the actual budget adoption like we've done in the past. This is a big change. I've started communication with our DLGF rep, and we've started talking with the county auditor to confirm dates for the public hearing and adoption. There are dire consequences if the library budget does not make it through the approval process. Failure would mean a 50% cut in the tax levy for 2028. We plan to prevent budget approval problems by using lots of communication with the DLGF and the county budget administrators. To summarize, the Library Board gets the first look at the budget in July to see if there are questions or concerns or changes to be made. The public advertisement is done along with county budget in August. The public hearing and adoption of the budget will be done at the county level. This may be a problem in some counties where there may be a lack of support for library operations in the community. We've experienced a high level of support from the county council and the community in the past when we have gone to them for approval to issue bonds. And we are optimistic about their support for the 2027 library budget. Any questions? In July, the public advertisement is in August and the adoption is in August as well. The adoption would be in October. And then in September is the public hearing. Are there things that we as a board can help support through this process? I imagine just knowing that we will be present for staff, you know, for board meetings and here to approve on the schedule that you have affirmed. Are there other things that the board can do to be supportive of the library during this change? that and I will certainly keep that in mind I know Greer will too if we if we can think of anything this is kind of a learn as we go for all of us I think including our DLGF rep. Absolutely everybody county counselors DLGF reps ourselves we're all like how are we doing this what does the law require so I think as we work through all of that we'll think about ways that you all can can play a role as well so thank you Amy that's a very good question. we are not approving a budget right we are giving input well I like to think of it as you are approving the budget we just have to go through another layer of approval because if they make changes and it comes back to us in October we do not didn't get a additional input that there's the rub the county council unfortunately can do a lot to the budget and and so meeting is really here's how we landed in September which typically as Gary said we would conduct in advance of our regular meeting is what changes and then the binding review and official adoption of the budget is what changes in October. So we can do all the work leading up to it, but those steps in September and October that we traditionally take will be taken with county council. So the public hearing that is scheduled then for September, how would that possibly look different? That would probably be at the courthouse. And the library would be on probably a long list of departments that, you know, like the water utility, well, not the utility, anyway. So if the public did want to give input, they would need to make sure to go to that location. Yes. Thank you. Time to consider any changes or additions or anything based on that hearing that might need to happen in order or the budget to be adopted a month later, or how does that work? Well, I guess the way I kind of look at this budget is that it's going to be very similar to budgets in the past. Really, about the main difference is the growth quotient increase that we're asking for. I don't foresee budget issues like certain line items, you know, saying there's too much here. I think that the big question is, are they okay with the same increase for the library as all the other units get? If they're not, then I don't know, we'll have to come up with something. The main risk maybe then just the deadline, hitting the deadline, like you said, the 50% reduction could happen if people don't hit that. If we didn't submit the budget by September 1st, that would be a problem. So not necessarily something in the budget that would be a big problem. It's just have to hit that deadline. The mechanics, if the advertisement is wrong, you're dead. So yeah. We've been following this pretty closely from the beginning, so we know what to expect. All in favor of the annual budget process with the updated board calendar with the timeline that Gary described, say aye. Aye. Those opposed say nay. All in favor? It is passed. Ayes have it. Jerry, I'm going to ask you to come back up with Brian. I don't know who's taking this one. Okay. Just to hear about the elevator upgrades and the public bid. As one of my favorite authors, Douglas Adams is quoted as saying, we are stuck with technology when what we really want is stuff that works. Over the past few years, past three or four years, we've we've been experiencing some increased issues with three out of the four elevators here at our downtown location. Some of the challenges that we face with these elevators include first the age of the equipment. Most of the elevator equipment here in the building is about 30 years old, dating from whenever we did the expansion from what was the original 1970s envelope of the library that we're in now, whenever we expanded. In 1995 and 1996, elevators were added. Most of the equipment dates back to then. And as we know, technology advances pretty rapidly. And so some of our equipment is just simply outdated at this point in time. Over the years, we've done some mechanical upgrades, some door hardware, things that open that control the doors opening and closing, the elevator leveling on each floor, things like that, things that really don't change too much. We've upgraded some of that. over the years. But now kind of what we're left with some of the components that haven't been replaced include the control system. So these are basically like the brains of the elevators. This is the housing where all the circuitry is. And so that's part of the major components that haven't been upgraded yet. Secondly, Schindler, who is our elevator contractor, they use proprietary equipment, meaning that it's just their parts and it's just their equipment, meaning that we can only call them for repairs. We know from having conversations with our technician that services us on kind of a regular basis, he covers a pretty wide area. He's based out of Indianapolis. We know he travels all the way to Illinois. We know he travels all the way to Evansville. So he has kind of a large service area that he covers. And while they are pretty responsive to us, they will normally get to us within a 24 to 48 hour window of whenever we call them, we speculate that we might get faster service if we didn't have proprietary equipment. That is, if any elevator technician could come and work on any given issue that we have. So when we factor in the age of the equipment and the fact that it is also proprietary, we run into a third obstacle, which is finding replacement parts, okay? So we've got old equipment, we've got proprietary equipment, and so when something major goes out, finding that older equipment, you know, we've heard anecdotal stories. Well, we had to call a guy that he hasn't, he's been retired a couple years, but he, but he just happened to have a part in his garage that we needed. So again, finding parts is challenging. And then I would also speculate that we're probably also seeing an increase in cost based on the challenge of finding some of those parts. We are committed though to a long-term solution. This long-term solution may result in a larger project, both in scope of work and financial obligation. If that's the case, then a project like this might require a public bid process. All right, okay. So basically we're gonna have to fix the elevators downtown once and for all. It's gonna be a big project. If it's big enough, it will require a public bid. So we're going to bring all of that to you all in June with a roadmap and hopefully some solid estimates and possibly the support of an elevator consulting company if we feel it's warranted. And then we'll have a plan for fixing these elevators. In the meantime, one of them is down. That's the staff elevator. The other two are working at the moment. Brian and his team are on it as quickly as they can whenever they go down. But you all have probably seen they're down a lot of the time. So we need to do this. process not only for equipment but looking at service contracting and locality of servicers. Yeah, so what we would look at would be probably a much shorter service agreement. So initially with any kind of major construction like this, there would be normally a one year agreement to make sure that the equipment works. In the bidding process, we can write in that we want a one or a two year agreement of that nature. And then afterwards, then we would review with that contractor if we would want continue with an agreement for service. And at that point, we would look at probably a short service agreement, you know, something like three years, you know, rather than something like what we have now, which is a lot longer. Yeah. I was just thinking about your list and part of the evaluation process then for getting those bids if you were cross-referencing, you know, of course, for proprietary parts and servicing and et cetera. That'll be all part of that process. Right, yeah. So the scope of work would include whenever people would bid on the project that it would be all open source material, that it would be, you know, it wouldn't be anything proprietary. And so there are a handful of companies here in the Midwest that do that kind of stuff. So I think the odds of us getting somebody local and close is good. Thank you. Any other questions about that before we move on? Can I get a motion to hear from Martin about the CAT streaming app and policy? Hi there. This is an exciting day, actually. So this is the introduction of a new Apple TV app and Roku app for cats. Basically, for a very long time, we have been wanting another way that we could make our services available to people in the community. Decades ago, I had a wonderful idea to create an app, and it just wasn't possible, and people laughed at me. And, you know, that was set aside. And then, very recently, Cody, the coder extraordinaire, I like to call him, he came up with an idea all by himself that said that, you know what, while he's sitting around watching TV or whatever, on his own time, decided, I'm going to make an app for cats. and we're going to put it on there. And he did. So he's come up with this app for Apple TV and Roku, and we're very excited. And we are currently available just on cable, and we do have a YouTube channel, which is great. But the problem with the YouTube channel is it only has a very limited amount of our archived videos on there. The great thing about this new app is will be connected to our archives. So you should be able to go on in there and look up any video within our archive right from the comfort of your home and your Apple TV on your Roku device. And you can watch live. Unexpected gift. This is awesome. You can watch live cats television on there. And so this is great. So it really has helped democratizing cats and local access, local government, local programming and activities in the community. And so we at CATS are very excited about it and really thankful to Cody and also a lot of help from Tori's team up in marketing who helped with some of the design of this too. And without further ado, I'm gonna hand it over to Cody and he's gonna run you through the mechanics of this thing. This here is the Apple TV app. But the Roku app looks identical. And this is the logo. And once you launch into it, it normally would start up here at the top. But we were testing it earlier. And these at the top are the live feeds. So you can watch the city channel live. And I thought maybe, We could see us on the library channel, but I guess we're not live on there. I was interested to know what would happen. But then it also has most recent videos for city meetings, county meetings, and community videos, and Cats Week. And they all have closed captioning on the recent videos. I agree. This is very impressive. I started working on this probably around August last year, but it was just in between when I was in between projects, kind of filling the time. Thank you. Yeah, we were really excited and really impressed when Cody brought that to us. My name is Ned Baugh. I'm the IT director. Martin covered why this came about, and Cody just covered how it works. The only things I'm going to cover are the launch plan. Basically, our plan for launching this is a soft launch. We want to get it approved in the App Store first so we can provide it to our staff and have them test it out. So we're still at the early phases of getting this released. But part of the approval process to the App Store means getting the privacy policy associated with the app approved. And that's what we need you guys to do for us. So the privacy policy sort of reflects what the library philosophy is, is that we try to avoid recording saving any patron information that we don't need. And for the CATS app, we don't need anything. In a nutshell, we say CATS TV, in general, does not collect, store, transmit, or share any personal information. And that's the way this app works, too. We deal with strict anonymity. The app requires no user accounts or logins or a profile to be created. It operates purely as a gateway to the streaming service. infrastructure. So it's the same information you're seeing if you're watching it on your cable TV or if you're watching it on the website. It doesn't require you to log in. We don't track viewing history. We don't have device identifiers. We don't track locations or crash data. There's no third party tracking scripts or advertising networks baked into the application. And part of why we've made the policy refer to just streaming in general as opposed to like the Apple TV or Roku app, is that makes it something that we can use in the future if we go to other devices like iOS or Android. We want to have a policy that just says for the CATS TV streaming app services, we don't record anything or we don't track anything. The only wrinkle that I guess we might want to mention is that while we are not tracking any of these things, when you go to say the app store for Apple You have to log in with your Apple account. Apple may be recording how many downloads there were, that sort of thing. But we as an organization do not do any of that. So we're not tracking any of that. I think that covers everything I wanted to make sure you guys were aware of. If you have any other questions, though, or do you need any more information before you decide about the policy, please let me know. And it's really exciting. I think it's a really positive development. The logo for Cats is amazing. I had never seen it before. It's great. And yeah, I think it will be. Will people be able to watch live content through the app? Like you said, you thought the library meeting being streamed right now could maybe be on there, but it seems like it's like a live feed of the library channel. Yeah. sections that you see up here match what's on the website and match the cable channels that are currently streaming. So when you go to the city channel, that's the same, that's what you'd see on the city channel right now if you're on cable. These down here are pulling up the five most recent meetings. Not to promise features before we've got them. forward-looking, we'd like to have search built into it so that you could go farther back than just what we're presenting here. And we would also, as we digitize more things in CATS, like to have more of the community videos available for you now, too, because a lot of that stuff, frankly, is not really easily accessible. You can go to the website and do a search, but I know that's not as easy for everyone. Hopefully that answers your question. In the future, will there be, for instance, if someone were to want to watch the Rotary meeting live or this meeting live, will the functionality be there or they would need to be on Zoom because the intention for that is for someone to be able to, I guess the intention for Zoom here is for the public comment, to watch. That's probably a different story. Because up until recently, the Library Channel did have this meeting live. Cody and I were talking about that recently. We thought it would be on tonight. I don't know how much detail we want to go into, but when we changed the back end of CATS, and Martin could explain this better than I, so that it's more digitized, it changed the way we could take the signal from this room to present it, so we're not doing it live right now. Did I capture that? Yeah, it's all right. No, it's other things too. Like in just about seven minutes, the city council is supposed to start. So the city council, no offense to y'all, but the city council or the whatever county meeting was going on would take precedent over this one. So we wouldn't sort of, part of our policy is we don't cut into a meeting in progress. So we'd never want to get into a situation where we would start a meeting and say, oh no, we're gonna cut away from that one into this one. No, it's just not. council meeting later this evening live on the Cats channel. Yeah, they can do that. But there's other plans apart from this app, although, sorry, Cody, I'm going to give you work here. You know, there's other things that we are sort of hoping we can do in the future. You know, we only have one city channel and one county channel for our government stuff. What we're hoping to do in the future is everywhere we go with the right equipment, we should be able to, there's no reason why we can't literally stream every meeting we do. So if we can stream it, we can stream it to our website, then maybe we can have links on this app that so, is there's a feasible, a reasonable way that someone could go on here and if it's streaming live, if it's a meeting that we're actually actively recording, then you could stream it and watch it on there. I didn't know there was a city channel and a county channel, and I work at a television station, so I'm excited that this exists, and I think it's a great benefit to the community. Yeah, there's actually five channels. Yeah, great. Thank you. So this isn't a question about this, so I don't feel like you need to stay, but I would like to address Greer. I think the policy is fantastic. we will take our vote tonight. What I'd like to put in the notes for consideration is, because I think this works very well for the Apple Store app policy, but how does this affect any policies we currently have for the library for representation of people when they choose to be excluded? Like how would we need to modify any policies we have if we are, because we have talked about, you know, not wanting your photograph taken, not having some, we've opened up maybe perhaps a new door. that I think we should consider. Absolutely. Or that they had to come to us to tell them. So our media relations policy addresses the question of what does a patron do if they happen to be in a photograph that we take for our own purposes and they would request not to. But I think you're right. We do need to look at that and figure out how that broader than that. So I think that we just need to think about how we want to provide protections to people. So that could take the form of a very brief addendum to this particular terms of service policy, basically. Well, I don't know if it affects the Apple Store policy as much as our library policy. And that's, I guess. Take a quick look at the sections in the draft policy to see if there's a place where it makes sense to reference. Because I think as far as the Apple Store goes, this is what they need. We've done our due diligence here. So yeah, it could be the actual media relations policy that we want to look at and change language to. What was your question again? Basically, like with our media relations policy, it says, if you're at the library, you might be photographed or filmed for library purposes. Here's what you do if you don't want to be photographed or you want to be redacted from the footage or whatever it is. And if I understand your question, Jamie, you're saying, well, that consideration of patron privacy has just gotten broader. because now we're gonna have this policy that says we're not recording your data, we have this new app, how do those two policies connect to each other, and do we need to make any updates to the media relations policy in particular? I don't necessarily know that this is the place for that, but I think it's a conversation that we may need to revisit in another way. Yeah, I mean, I would see this as, well, at least to me, this is almost an extension of the CATS policy that we have sort of now that is a sort of blanket policy that we have. I mean, we don't, CATS doesn't really do any recordings in the library or anything like that where we would take anybody's image without their permission or anything like that. A lot of these are, everything you're seeing up here are meetings, you know, type of meeting things. Now, there was something that you clicked on earlier that looked like a choir or like, you know, and the first thing that came to my head was like, well, what What are those privacy things, you know, because I'm thinking in terms of, you know, I heard the musicians when we were coming in and, you know, the younger people and that might be on that. But that was going to be my next question was how many, where do you, where does cats go that would maybe have or be recording or doing this with those types of situations? I don't want you to think at all that this is not that I'm taking that direction. I'm just thinking about how do we protect our patrons? How do we protect? Yeah, no, these are all legitimate and really good questions. What we do in those situations where we're recording a choir or whatever, someone has requested it, we usually like it. First of all, we make sure it's the organizers of the event that are doing the request and not particularly if it's kids doing an event. It's not just a parent. It has to be an organizational thing. But in that point, they usually have to fill out a program request, but there's a section on there that says, have you obtained permission that allows us to record it, and they have to sign off on that. But, you know, we used to try in the day, we'd send out permission forms that they'd have to go through every single person and that was just too unwieldy and some person at the last minute would drop out and all of a sudden there was chaos. So what we advise people to do now is particularly if you've got an audience and someone in the audience doesn't want to be recorded, you can put a sign up on the door and here will be the entrance to the auditorium as people go in or if they're selling tickets for whatever reason or roughly put it on the ticket that says if you enter here you are giving permission that you may be recorded. Or if you don't want to be recorded, please sit to the back of the hall where, you know, our people have been instructed, do not point cameras towards the back of the hall, that kind of thing. So that's where we do that. I don't remember or said every once in a while in the library if we did some, we may have done some promotional events, recording for cats in the library. But in those situations, we try very hard to make sure if we're coming through that we're not picking up any faces or If we do, we try later on to obscure those images and stuff like that. We really go out of our way to make sure we're not doing that. Wonderful. Thank you. Great question. Thank you for working with that. OK. All in favor of the cat streaming app policy for the Apple Store, say aye. Aye. Those opposed, say nay. Ayes have it. Thank you, everyone. Nice job, Cody. I can't wait to stream it online at home. Okay, next up we have Brian back up talking about building services and security. All right, so I'm going to give you a quick overview of the building services and security department. I am Brian and I am the building services and security director. And when we think about building services and security, what we're talking about mainly are maintenance, custodial, and then of course the security departments at our three buildings. The maintenance department focuses mainly on large systems such as heating and cooling systems, plumbing, lighting, electrical, carpentry and painting. and then helping to maintain the six library vehicles, the grounds and landscaping around the three buildings, snow removal in the wintertime at this location, completing daily facility requests, and then as well as repairs to the building envelope and the contents therein of those buildings. The custodians, their responsibilities include Cleaning the interior of the building, emptying the trash, processing the recycling, completing daily facility requests, grounds cleanup, including items that are left behind on our sidewalks and grounds, like after, you know, if you were to win a Big Ten championship and then maybe, you know, a national title or something like that, or after a little five or something like that, some of those kind of things. Custodians are also the ones who run the daily route of circulated library materials between the buildings, although this task is sometimes shared by the maintenance staff. The daily route that's transported between the building usually includes about 10 to 20 crates of books, movies, and CDs per building, interdepartmental mails, office supplies, things of that nature. The security officers their security job duties include enforcing the behavior policy here for the library oversight of our camera and door security systems opening and closing the building to the public each day assisting with unloading patron donations assisting with multiple deliveries each day and ensuring they are brought to the appropriate departments. Not including myself there are six different job descriptions here within building services these include One building services assistant manager and that person assists in the big picture coordination and day-to-day oversight of these different departments. One maintenance expert who maintains the physical integrity and safety of the library's facilities and equipment. One maintenance technician who performs routine maintenance and groundswork. Eight security technicians who again are mainly tasked with the physical security and enforcing the library's behavior rules. one security lead who is tasked with coaching and training security officers, and 10 custodians who are responsible for providing clean and welcoming grounds and facilities for staff and patrons. This past year, this past strategic, part of the strategic goals for the library building services has been integral to strategic goal number three. And one of the, One of the points there that we were very involved with this past year is I got to chair a group of library employees that represented a cross section from our library system. And together we selected a new incident report writing system. And the staff are currently undergoing training this month so that we can launch that software on June the 1st. So we've been doing pretty extensive training at all three of our buildings then for that new software. Any questions? We appreciate you all. Quick plug for Brian and his team. Not all libraries are privileged enough to be able to do security and custodial work and maintenance work in-house and often contract out. But we not only have a robust team that does that in-house, they're part of library culture. And that can be a challenge too. through Brian's leadership and with some really great staff we have in that department, they're very much a part of the library. So not only do they get things done and anticipate things that need done, they're a big part of the entire library team and we're incredibly fortunate. So sorry to embarrass you, Brian, but I couldn't resist. Well, I appreciate that there's somebody who's doing a training. That's pretty cool. And again, I always do this in my mind, but I have to say it reminds me of a school. It reminds me of You know, everybody, and they always seem to be, you know, beyond just administrators and teachers, but the custodial staff and the maintenance, it's all a big team and a family that get to know each other very well. So yeah, I appreciate that. It takes a village, as they say. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. We're still good over there? Just one last check? OK. All in favor of adjournment, say aye. We are adjourned.