WEBVTT 00:00:00.610 --> 00:00:07.736 - So, folks, welcome. I'm going to call this meeting of the municipal unit strategic task force. We're 00:00:07.736 --> 00:00:14.791 - going to refer to it as must to order. This is a brand new body, and I am very pleased that we have 00:00:14.791 --> 00:00:22.410 - a quorum of members joining us today. We have Leah Feigl, whose clerk treasurer of the town of Steinsville. 00:00:22.410 --> 00:00:28.830 - Leah, say hi. Hi. We've got Noel Conyer, clerk treasurer of the town of Ellisville. Hello. 00:00:28.930 --> 00:00:35.568 - And we have Jeff McKim, controller of the city of Bloomington presence. Hello. And finally, my name 00:00:35.568 --> 00:00:42.539 - is Peter Iverson. I am from the Monroe County Council. And by statute, the four of us make up this body. 00:00:42.539 --> 00:00:49.442 - Before we dive in, I just need to cover a few housekeeping items. First, this is a preliminary meeting. 00:00:49.442 --> 00:00:56.147 - We're here to get organized. We're here to make introductions and lay the groundwork for discussions 00:00:56.147 --> 00:00:57.342 - ahead. We are not 00:00:57.474 --> 00:01:04.833 - ready to reach fiscal decisions today. Second, in the interest of everyone's schedule, we're going to 00:01:04.833 --> 00:01:11.326 - do our very best to keep this as close to one hour as possible. Greg, one hour. Yes, sir. 00:01:11.970 --> 00:01:18.745 - I'm just kidding. I'd like to ask everyone to keep that in mind as we move through today's agenda. And 00:01:18.745 --> 00:01:25.520 - on that point, in the back of the room, for those of you who are here in the NatU Hill Room, there are 00:01:25.520 --> 00:01:32.229 - copies of today's packets. You can also find copies of today's packet on the county's website. Not on 00:01:32.229 --> 00:01:39.070 - the website, I'm sorry. Excuse me. So it's in the back of the room. We didn't get the information until 00:01:39.070 --> 00:01:41.438 - later, so we're making more copies. 00:01:42.402 --> 00:01:50.060 - A couple of process notes as folks in the NatU Hill room here are grabbing those agendas and packets. 00:01:50.060 --> 00:01:58.093 - There will be no public comment period at this meeting, but in keeping with the Monroe County's commitment 00:01:58.093 --> 00:02:05.150 - to transparency, this meeting is being recorded and that recording will be made to the public 00:02:05.378 --> 00:02:12.210 - either on the county's website or on community access television sites and therefore after on YouTube. 00:02:12.210 --> 00:02:19.041 - Now on membership, I've already covered this by statute. The voting members of this task force are one 00:02:19.041 --> 00:02:26.139 - representative from the county council, which is myself and the fiscal officer of Smithville, Ellitsville, 00:02:26.139 --> 00:02:28.062 - and the city of Bloomington. 00:02:28.674 --> 00:02:35.763 - Fire, emergency management services, and other non-unicipal units are not voting members of this particular 00:02:35.763 --> 00:02:42.589 - committee. However, many are present here in the NatU Hill Room or on Teams, and we are very happy that 00:02:42.589 --> 00:02:43.902 - you are joining us. 00:02:44.482 --> 00:02:50.995 - Everyone in the room is a welcome participant, but formal recommendations require unanimous agreement 00:02:50.995 --> 00:02:57.507 - among the voting members on this dais specifically. These meetings are subject to Indiana's open door 00:02:57.507 --> 00:03:03.956 - law, and there will be no proxy voting. This means that all meetings will be properly noticed on the 00:03:03.956 --> 00:03:11.234 - county's website, and meeting information will be made available if we have the materials ahead of time at in.gov 00:03:11.234 --> 00:03:13.086 - slash counties slash Monroe. 00:03:13.794 --> 00:03:20.585 - Now before we get started, I want to just say that whatever differences we do bring into this room, 00:03:20.585 --> 00:03:27.648 - we also share many, many things in common. And I don't know anything that unites this county quite like 00:03:27.648 --> 00:03:34.575 - the Indiana Hoosiers football team winning 18 straight games. So if we can find that kind of momentum 00:03:34.575 --> 00:03:38.718 - here, I think we're going to be in good shape. So with that, 00:03:38.978 --> 00:03:45.957 - Let's begin. And I'm going to pass the microphone over to Greg Guterres with Financial Services Group. 00:03:45.957 --> 00:03:52.936 - Thank you, Peter. And good afternoon, everybody. And I have with me also Tate, IU grad. So he's on our 00:03:52.936 --> 00:03:59.848 - staff and responsible for a lot of the numbers. So he and I are going to tag team when we get to some 00:03:59.848 --> 00:04:07.166 - of the numbers. Couple of things I think I want to state for the record and make sure that everybody knows. 00:04:07.266 --> 00:04:14.475 - Number one, why are we here? Well, this is an optional must group. OK, so the county had the option 00:04:14.475 --> 00:04:21.972 - of either doing this or not doing it. There are counties that are not doing it. There are counties that 00:04:21.972 --> 00:04:29.252 - have been into their fifth or sixth meeting of this. I don't think it should take that long. I think 00:04:29.252 --> 00:04:30.622 - the whole point is 00:04:30.754 --> 00:04:38.284 - for us all to get together. And that is every time I went down and down in southern Indiana and talked 00:04:38.284 --> 00:04:45.595 - to a senator, walked around talking to representatives around in Hancock County and in western part 00:04:45.595 --> 00:04:53.125 - of the state. They said part of the process was for us all that live and die by the sword known as lit 00:04:53.125 --> 00:04:58.462 - that we all have to, you know, should have a voice and talk this out. So 00:04:58.626 --> 00:05:08.244 - what is happening is, to remind everybody, we're going from a distribution formula that was levy driven. 00:05:08.244 --> 00:05:17.954 - So if you were like the city of Bloomington in the past and you did file annexation appeals, your maximum 00:05:17.954 --> 00:05:28.030 - levy would go up, okay, and that meant then you would also get a bigger share of the lit pie as time went on. 00:05:28.642 --> 00:05:36.093 - that is something the state said you know we've got to rearrange or fix and so what they're going to 00:05:36.093 --> 00:05:43.470 - what they propose to do already in the current statutes is go to what they call a rate based system 00:05:43.470 --> 00:05:50.847 - now you know don't confuse that if you're in the utility world and in utilities but what that means 00:05:50.847 --> 00:05:57.118 - is that we would all have a rate of some sort and that's what we're going to go over 00:05:57.218 --> 00:06:06.773 - in this presentation that we've put together is some of the rates that we believe may or may not work 00:06:06.773 --> 00:06:16.141 - and to point those out. The whole reason for that is to make sure that if there's any concepts that 00:06:16.141 --> 00:06:25.790 - we don't feel we could live with and going forward that when they come to and everybody's heard me say 00:06:25.922 --> 00:06:34.641 - SB2 is coming to a theater near you. And so there will be an SB2. It won't be called that. I call it 00:06:34.641 --> 00:06:43.446 - that. But there will be changes, no doubt, in January, February, and March. And part of those changes 00:06:43.446 --> 00:06:52.510 - will come about as a result of what we submit as a group. And the AIC put together this little document. 00:06:52.834 --> 00:07:01.298 - that Bree, I thought maybe you even had some of this already filled out, but we'll go through that document 00:07:01.298 --> 00:07:08.743 - and it's pretty easy. And so again, this is a non-binding, you know, whatever we come up with. 00:07:08.743 --> 00:07:17.049 - If Jeff says, you know, I've got it, you know, I really need this X rate. The answer is it's non-binding. 00:07:17.049 --> 00:07:21.438 - We really don't want to put a rate in my opinion. Okay. 00:07:21.634 --> 00:07:30.060 - The other thing is, when I talk about the county as a whole, I mean it. I mean libraries, solid waste 00:07:30.060 --> 00:07:38.404 - district. I mean schools. I mean everyone. You've got to look at keeping the county as a whole sound 00:07:38.404 --> 00:07:46.665 - in a sound financial position. I've gone around and done 15 of these, and I've said the worst thing 00:07:46.665 --> 00:07:50.878 - is I know in fact in one county, a town dissolved. 00:07:51.170 --> 00:07:58.034 - It became a nightmare for the county commissioners and the county council. They had to basically kind 00:07:58.034 --> 00:08:05.234 - of take it over and run it when the town dissolved. And so nobody wants to be in that position. So keeping 00:08:05.234 --> 00:08:12.098 - every town whole in trying to achieve the best for the county, even the libraries and everything like 00:08:12.098 --> 00:08:19.231 - that. And I don't mean even the libraries. Libraries are a critical part to economic development. There's 00:08:19.231 --> 00:08:20.510 - no doubt about it. 00:08:20.770 --> 00:08:29.938 - schools and everybody else are too. So what so um I guess what I want to do is say also every time I've 00:08:29.938 --> 00:08:38.930 - put this on there hasn't been a county council yet that didn't say oh my gosh we want to try and make 00:08:38.930 --> 00:08:47.745 - people whole that's right okay and and so now that definition of made whole usually will start with 00:08:47.745 --> 00:08:50.654 - the current lit as we go forward 00:08:51.170 --> 00:08:59.205 - As we go forward, maybe Kepp Hall might also include some of the losses as a result of SB1. But we've 00:08:59.205 --> 00:09:07.635 - got an analysis in here that has had in every county we've looked at is going to have a process of pushing 00:09:07.635 --> 00:09:15.591 - the rate higher than the current rate. And I don't think many counties, I'm not sure I've no one yet 00:09:15.591 --> 00:09:20.318 - that's going to go for that. And so that'll be a challenge. 00:09:20.610 --> 00:09:28.077 - as we get to 28 to be applied in 29. Could that change? Absolutely. Someone mentioned, I think the email 00:09:28.077 --> 00:09:35.332 - that came out and said applied in 30 and I was told directly from some of the legislators, that's not 00:09:35.332 --> 00:09:42.515 - correct. It's 28, 29 at this point in time, but that's subject to change too. Okay. So keep in mind, 00:09:42.515 --> 00:09:49.342 - I keep saying, we know a couple of things. We know the income in Monroe County is going to grow 00:09:49.570 --> 00:09:55.917 - between now and 28, wouldn't you agree, Jeff? I mean, and it could be as much as five or 7% per year. 00:09:55.917 --> 00:10:01.828 - We know another thing. And I know it from your question. The answers to your question here is, 00:10:01.828 --> 00:10:08.238 - by the way, you guys did a really good job, guys and gals, sorry. You did a real good job on answering 00:10:08.238 --> 00:10:14.398 - the questionnaire. And I know when you're trying to achieve 83,000, Jeff, I think the answer said. 00:10:14.690 --> 00:10:21.639 - And so we know you're going to be, you have grown and you will be growing. One of the things we did 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:28.797 - also is we drafted this little paragraph and we've even said, you know, we've looked in some counties, 00:10:28.797 --> 00:10:35.954 - especially growing counties. We've said, oh my gosh, we may have to use something other than the, when 00:10:35.954 --> 00:10:43.390 - was the last census done? 1894? It feels like 2020, right? And so it's kind of outdated and it's probably, 00:10:43.618 --> 00:10:51.640 - wrong in some instances. So we've been addressing that in some of them. So let's go to the numbers now. 00:10:51.640 --> 00:10:59.739 - So that's kind of my opening. Anything you want to add or anything you want to correct? Just real quick. 00:10:59.739 --> 00:11:07.530 - The FSG analysis, was that made available to those here in the not-you-home meeting room? OK, great. 00:11:07.530 --> 00:11:12.158 - OK. Page one. And is someone presenting this? Kim, are you? 00:11:13.826 --> 00:11:23.090 - Okay. I can put it on the screen. That's what I meant. That's what you meant. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I 00:11:23.090 --> 00:11:32.630 - thought you meant present. I'm going, no. Kim, I wouldn't drag you that far under the camel tent. Okay. 00:11:32.630 --> 00:11:40.702 - Page one. So what page one does is this sets the stage. Notice that it says at the top, 00:11:40.802 --> 00:12:04.062 - $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. 00:12:04.386 --> 00:12:10.829 - Notice at the bottom that we did keep the juvenile correction special purpose. We're seeing that as 00:12:10.829 --> 00:12:17.723 - far as I'm concerned, the must groups that have special legislation are not addressing it. They're leaving 00:12:17.723 --> 00:12:24.424 - on the table. They're saying it works well. Keep it for the future. Okay. And so the last thing we want 00:12:24.424 --> 00:12:30.996 - to do is suggest torpedoing anything associated with that. So we set it out in the way you understand 00:12:30.996 --> 00:12:32.542 - it, which is old co it. 00:12:32.706 --> 00:12:40.539 - and the PSAP and the jail lit and things like that. So if for some reason you would not agree, just 00:12:40.539 --> 00:12:48.451 - let us know, but this is the numbers we're driving off of. It is interesting. I was in Shelby County 00:12:48.451 --> 00:12:56.755 - two nights ago. Shelbyville and Shelby County were 50-50. Bloomington and Monroe, almost 50-50. Obviously 00:12:56.755 --> 00:13:02.238 - 45 and 41, but everybody else is somewhat minor in nature compared to 00:13:02.434 --> 00:13:11.358 - the two big ones. And we expected that. Okay. Page two. Page two is what I was talking about on the 00:13:11.358 --> 00:13:20.282 - LSA losses that they published in 2025. And the first column is estimated 28, estimated 29. We also 00:13:20.282 --> 00:13:29.296 - believe these are high side estimates. LSA always puts them out. But remember, this is the tax loss. 00:13:29.296 --> 00:13:32.062 - And at the bottom, we show you 00:13:32.162 --> 00:13:41.045 - that if we had to recover those on the AGI of the county. Notice I'm saying that slow because there's 00:13:41.045 --> 00:13:50.015 - numerous AGI's or there will be, but this is AGI of the county. So that's how much more the rate would 00:13:50.015 --> 00:13:58.898 - be affected. So we isolated that. So what we did on page three now, and correct me if I say something 00:13:58.898 --> 00:14:00.030 - wrong, Tate. 00:14:00.290 --> 00:14:09.267 - We put the 2027 lit distributions, we put the 29 tax laws, and we said, let's start as a 2029 lit goal, 00:14:09.267 --> 00:14:18.331 - adding those two numbers together. Might not work, but hey, let's start there, okay? And remember, we're 00:14:18.331 --> 00:14:25.150 - not bound by anything, any of the numbers, so let's try it. So let's go there. 00:14:25.474 --> 00:14:33.593 - So in page four, we show the total distribution, and now we start segregating it into the different 00:14:33.593 --> 00:14:41.873 - rates. You're gonna see county services. Well, that's the county service rate with a not to exceed of 00:14:41.873 --> 00:14:50.317 - 1.20. You're gonna see the fire and EMS. Now, we will say the fire and EMS is still unestimate. We have 00:14:50.317 --> 00:14:54.782 - point blank. We want to ask point blank of each entity 00:14:55.042 --> 00:15:03.564 - how much you actually give your fire department and you know that would then be baked in here and guess 00:15:03.564 --> 00:15:11.840 - what it's gonna have to move forward to 2028 enemies okay next one is the non-municipal civil taxing 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:20.362 - unit the opt-in let me if you don't understand any other term one term you want to understand is opt-in 00:15:20.362 --> 00:15:23.230 - or opt-out so if i asked jeff jeff 00:15:23.330 --> 00:15:32.551 - do you think you'd want to opt in or opt out? He would already know what that means and whether he wants 00:15:32.551 --> 00:15:41.596 - to do it or not, more than likely based upon his own analysis. Opt in means he would basically use the 00:15:41.596 --> 00:15:50.817 - adjusted gross income of the county as a whole and the county council would approve that rate or a rate, 00:15:50.817 --> 00:15:52.222 - let's say that. 00:15:52.642 --> 00:16:00.253 - If he says no, Greg, we would prefer to opt out and correct me if I'm wrong, Jeff, under your standing. 00:16:00.253 --> 00:16:07.059 - But if you said no, we prefer to opt out, then he they could. And when I say he, the county, 00:16:07.059 --> 00:16:14.377 - the city council, obviously they would create a rate up to one point two. Now, the best way to show 00:16:14.377 --> 00:16:20.158 - that is we just go ahead. I'm going to make you jump a little bit, Ken. Sorry. 00:16:20.642 --> 00:16:29.083 - I'm going to make you jump back to page 12 since really the real big the people that we have representing 00:16:29.083 --> 00:16:37.604 - the clerk treasures they're all listed here on page 12. So what we've done is we've assumed that everybody 00:16:37.604 --> 00:16:45.726 - in this calculation would opt in meaning then you would say county council we need a rate to fund our 00:16:45.826 --> 00:16:55.086 - are lit replacement basically, and this is what happens. If you look at the number that is in the orange, 00:16:55.086 --> 00:17:04.258 - okay, 1.05 or 1.04, that is calculated by finding the person or the entity that needs the largest amount 00:17:04.258 --> 00:17:13.169 - of lit. It happens to be Bloomington. You know, that's not surprising. And so what we said was, okay, 00:17:13.169 --> 00:17:14.654 - in order to fund 00:17:14.818 --> 00:17:22.739 - the basically the target distribution okay we need approximately 1.04 and guess what it over it's too 00:17:22.739 --> 00:17:30.583 - much for Alexville it's too much for Steinsville now this is where I've warned every small town that 00:17:30.583 --> 00:17:38.582 - I've done this please do not spend this money as mom mom or dad always told you don't spend your money 00:17:38.582 --> 00:17:40.990 - until it's in the bank okay so 00:17:41.090 --> 00:17:49.813 - You don't do that because this is just estimates, but it more than funds. Alexville and Stein Steinsville. 00:17:49.813 --> 00:17:58.048 - Now we found this everywhere. OK, we found when you find the big dog and you do the calculation that 00:17:58.048 --> 00:18:06.364 - all the other people, you know, you know, I've been told there's winners and losers and sometimes the 00:18:06.364 --> 00:18:09.054 - one point the 1.2 in the orange. 00:18:09.314 --> 00:18:17.775 - isn't enough to fund some of this. I was real surprised, Jeff, and I think you came up with 1.09, 00:18:17.775 --> 00:18:26.667 - you said. And so we're right in the ballpark. And so what we said is, okay, we've got room between the 00:18:26.667 --> 00:18:34.782 - zero and 120. So that doesn't appear to be a philosophic issue. What is a conceptual issue is 00:18:35.938 --> 00:18:44.309 - You know, is there a better way about allocating the percentage so that we don't necessarily overfund 00:18:44.309 --> 00:18:52.681 - either? Because some of the taxpayers might consider overfunding overtaxing. And, you know, so we got 00:18:52.681 --> 00:19:00.888 - to be kind of careful there. So one of the things we've said in one of the suggested paragraph that 00:19:00.888 --> 00:19:05.566 - we put together is maybe we need some flexibility there. 00:19:05.762 --> 00:19:13.673 - I'm told there is no way we could give Steinsville their own rate. We could give Ellisville their own 00:19:13.673 --> 00:19:21.662 - rate and Bloomington their own rate. Because if you did that, remember, there's what I think we've got 00:19:21.662 --> 00:19:29.651 - a person here from Maine in their 502 cities and towns. OK, so we could have 567 more rates, tax rates 00:19:29.651 --> 00:19:35.390 - in the state of Indiana. I've told I've been told no way. Don't even ask. 00:19:35.682 --> 00:19:44.723 - Don't even ask. And so, um, you know, so that's a fact of life. And this calculation, when you do the 00:19:44.723 --> 00:19:53.586 - population and the population adjustment, as Tate has built in here, it just over funds. Okay. So I 00:19:53.586 --> 00:20:00.766 - call that a conceptual issue that we may want to address as we go forward. Okay. 00:20:00.994 --> 00:20:08.469 - Let's go back and let's check out. Well, let's check one more thing. What we did do is we said on the 00:20:08.469 --> 00:20:16.238 - page before that or a page after that, no page before when they're front and back, I get twisted a little 00:20:16.238 --> 00:20:23.640 - bit. Eleven. What we did say, Jeff, here is on Bloomington's civil city. If you created your head to 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:28.990 - create your own rate, we show it to have to be a dollar one point eight. 00:20:29.634 --> 00:20:37.212 - and so I don't know what your numbers show but obviously that's over the statute and so and that's way 00:20:37.212 --> 00:20:45.084 - over the statute now that income is totally an estimate on our part we we are not aware of any geo fencing 00:20:45.084 --> 00:20:52.589 - other than in hamilton county and uh and that's what they're calling it and so you know Jeff will let 00:20:52.589 --> 00:20:58.622 - me know when you get your geo fence set up and we'll we'll be able to refine this 00:20:58.946 --> 00:21:07.177 - but I think it's going to be a while. And so Ellisville, you could do it, as you already indicated to 00:21:07.177 --> 00:21:14.923 - me, because you are under the 120, if you ever wanted to. But remember, I was told one of these 00:21:14.923 --> 00:21:23.154 - representatives I talked to, and I said, wow, let's say I am a town, and I do want to do my 120. What 00:21:23.154 --> 00:21:28.318 - would be your point that you might make to a town? And he said, 00:21:28.770 --> 00:21:35.912 - You know, one of the points I would make is you don't know in Ellitsville, you don't know, and maybe 00:21:35.912 --> 00:21:43.337 - you do, but most of the time, you don't know who's really, really rich and famous, and they just haven't 00:21:43.337 --> 00:21:50.974 - told you. Okay? Because you don't get their IT for you, right? And so the warning I was told is be careful. 00:21:50.974 --> 00:21:55.358 - There are some rich and famous people in some of these towns. 00:21:55.618 --> 00:22:02.062 - And the people that have access to the tax information say, by the way, sometimes they get tired of 00:22:02.062 --> 00:22:08.828 - maybe living in Ellisville. And they say, we're just going to move to Timbuktu. Or I was in a town about 00:22:08.828 --> 00:22:15.271 - 30 days ago called the middle of nowhere. They might want to move to the town of middle of nowhere. 00:22:15.271 --> 00:22:21.844 - Now it's in the middle of nowhere. But they might want to move there. And if they do, they take their 00:22:21.844 --> 00:22:23.326 - income out of the town 00:22:23.490 --> 00:22:31.743 - And his point was, there's more of those people than you think sometimes. So I said, oh, that's a really 00:22:31.743 --> 00:22:40.231 - good point, because your income could come and go fairly quickly. So we put together those two calculations 00:22:40.231 --> 00:22:48.248 - just to show Bloomington, I would never choose at this point in time my own, because I think it would 00:22:48.248 --> 00:22:53.278 - be more than likely be a problem. But that's totally up to you. 00:22:53.378 --> 00:23:01.142 - That is my understanding that there are substantial changes. Coming in again in SB 2 and I also believe 00:23:01.142 --> 00:23:08.907 - that one of the changes everybody is going to be said to be opt in automatically and then they're going 00:23:08.907 --> 00:23:16.671 - to have to elect to opt out. So when the new law comes so that's that's good. We you know we would know 00:23:16.671 --> 00:23:22.942 - point blank what you'd want to do. So let's go to back now. I'm going to go to page 00:23:23.362 --> 00:23:33.326 - five Kim and thank you very much for driving. On page five once we started looking at the different 00:23:33.326 --> 00:23:43.889 - rates what we said is county service rate looks doable. Firing EMS on our estimated numbers looks doable. 00:23:43.889 --> 00:23:46.878 - Non-municipal taxing district 00:23:46.978 --> 00:23:56.285 - Uh, we want some things we want to talk about there. And then we went ahead and added in the juvenile 00:23:56.285 --> 00:24:05.774 - correction and the single municipal rate looks doable. Okay. Now what, what is the hard pill to swallow 00:24:05.774 --> 00:24:13.438 - is that we go from 2.39 really to two point from 2.205 or 2.21. So if we were using 00:24:13.666 --> 00:24:21.587 - the estimated AGI right now, and trying to build those rates, we would be high. Now, what I've been 00:24:21.587 --> 00:24:29.666 - saying throughout the state, and I'm not sure the state's gonna like it, but what we're saying, if we 00:24:29.666 --> 00:24:38.141 - get down to this document, filling in this document, this document asks for rates. I wouldn't put anything 00:24:38.141 --> 00:24:42.814 - other than the max. I sure in the heck wouldn't put a min. 00:24:42.946 --> 00:24:50.728 - or I wouldn't put something lower than the max because I just don't think we have enough information. 00:24:50.728 --> 00:24:58.357 - Okay. So, you know, and County Council and everybody would be concerned with this type of increase. 00:24:58.357 --> 00:25:06.138 - So now let's go to page six. So page six, hopefully you've got the colored version that has the green 00:25:06.138 --> 00:25:12.318 - and red. And Tate assures me the red means bad and the green means good. And so, 00:25:12.610 --> 00:25:19.708 - what we see is that for the most part, we think these will work. We, you know, obviously the school 00:25:19.708 --> 00:25:26.805 - corporation, they were not part of this group. They may be here. I've had them at, at multiple must 00:25:26.805 --> 00:25:33.903 - sessions and you know, the consortium of schools in Hendricks County came together and put together 00:25:33.903 --> 00:25:38.942 - a statement. They said, just make just, we just like you to notice us. 00:25:39.234 --> 00:25:47.601 - And by the way, we're working on our own special legislation. Okay, cool. And they were all speaking 00:25:47.601 --> 00:25:56.216 - out of one voice in that case. So what we have noticed in every place we've done this is the townships, 00:25:56.216 --> 00:26:04.666 - we can't seem to fund to the level that we're trying to do with the 27 distribution and the estimated 00:26:04.666 --> 00:26:06.654 - property tax loss. Why? 00:26:06.754 --> 00:26:14.725 - because the formula just doesn't work for you. And Tate on that one, that's on page, that's on page 00:26:14.725 --> 00:26:23.175 - seven. And that's where we're capped by the sub cap. Remember there's a total cap of 0.20 in the statute, 00:26:23.175 --> 00:26:31.226 - but townships are limited to 0.05. So you got a sub cap, right? That's what I call a sub cap. And so 00:26:31.226 --> 00:26:34.654 - what we've said in our document, you know, 00:26:35.330 --> 00:26:43.105 - I went around and talked to a lot of townships and they, some say, well, that was intentional. And, 00:26:43.105 --> 00:26:51.036 - you know, I don't want to get into the political issues, but the answer is it's a reality. And either 00:26:51.036 --> 00:26:59.045 - we need to say the 0.05 doesn't work or we need to say, like this says, or we need a more flexible way 00:26:59.045 --> 00:27:03.710 - to allocate it and basically take some of the ones that are 00:27:04.002 --> 00:27:11.368 - green and move them to red. Statutorily we don't unless Jeff sees the statute different than we do and 00:27:11.368 --> 00:27:18.520 - about 900 and other people do. You know there's not a way and so the answer is you know we're we're 00:27:18.520 --> 00:27:25.886 - saying in our paragraph give us the right if nothing else to be more flexible okay the county council. 00:27:26.274 --> 00:27:33.776 - when it gets down to 2028, 2029. And I don't think anybody would be opposed, Jeff. You wouldn't be opposed 00:27:33.776 --> 00:27:40.856 - to more flexibility, right? So that's what we're saying. And because we believe, you know, townships 00:27:40.856 --> 00:27:48.148 - are valuable, we believe they are a part, and we also know for a fact they've received lit in the past, 00:27:48.148 --> 00:27:54.878 - okay? So why would you throw them out? Well, we wouldn't. And so that's where we come up there. 00:27:54.978 --> 00:28:03.450 - now sue on on you know some of the people said uh year two numbers oriented so we put together the graph 00:28:03.450 --> 00:28:11.518 - on seven we put together the graph on eight and let me speak to eight we've got houston we have the 00:28:11.518 --> 00:28:19.747 - same problem we have libraries that we cannot really get um we can't get monroe county public library 00:28:19.747 --> 00:28:24.830 - high enough because of the fact that we're limited by the 0.05 00:28:25.538 --> 00:28:33.599 - So there, that's one of the ones that we've said, wow, maybe that cap needs to be adjusted, or maybe 00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:41.820 - it's something that you should give flexibility to the county council to adjust. Because at this point 00:28:41.820 --> 00:28:49.802 - in time, again, I'm talking about concepts, not numbers. I'm talking about concepts, would it be at 00:28:49.802 --> 00:28:54.910 - least made whole? And so I'm assuming you're from the librarian 00:28:55.138 --> 00:29:02.980 - and understand that. Or is somebody from the public library? No? Okay. Bloomington Transportation. Jeff, 00:29:02.980 --> 00:29:10.822 - if we got our numbers right, I think that one works at the cap of .05. So there's nothing more important 00:29:10.822 --> 00:29:18.514 - than getting people up and down the road that don't have a car. So fire and EMS, this was our estimate 00:29:18.514 --> 00:29:23.742 - again on page nine. And we showed the Monroe Fire Protection District 00:29:23.938 --> 00:29:31.564 - I think we'd be OK. We did not have good answers on how much was given in lit for Bloomington Fire Department 00:29:31.564 --> 00:29:38.635 - in Ellsville. You may have answered that in your questionnaire, but it came a little late before this 00:29:38.635 --> 00:29:45.706 - estimate. So how much do you give? Is it Noel Noel? I don't have that number in front of me, but it's 00:29:45.706 --> 00:29:53.054 - definitely in our questions if it was something that was asked in there. OK, if not, we'll have a re ask. 00:29:53.890 --> 00:30:01.235 - I mean, for us, it's split between funds. Their budget is split between funds, so it's really hard to 00:30:01.235 --> 00:30:08.508 - say this is the lit component. Yeah, and for townships, we've asked that for township. Townships are 00:30:08.508 --> 00:30:15.709 - now required to put their lit all in the general fund. And so the assumption is it's not being used 00:30:15.709 --> 00:30:22.910 - for fire, but there are people that charge fire expenses to the general fund budget. So I'm seeing, 00:30:23.010 --> 00:30:30.903 - Ultimately, there are snakes in the grass that we're going to have to kind of look for and make sure 00:30:30.903 --> 00:30:38.953 - we don't step on them. And so, you know, but again, this was a starting point and it appears like most 00:30:38.953 --> 00:30:47.081 - of the time when we went around the state, the point four oh was OK and we could fund our fire and EMS. 00:30:47.081 --> 00:30:51.614 - OK, and I'm saying all over the state fire and EMS today. 00:30:51.906 --> 00:30:59.153 - is highly likely to look different than fire and EMS in 2028. Because I know some counties that are 00:30:59.153 --> 00:31:06.762 - making some major moves and I don't mean the major move grant program. I mean major moves in the concept 00:31:06.762 --> 00:31:14.082 - of providing fire and EMS. So, you know, we even are recommending to most of our clients that a fire 00:31:14.082 --> 00:31:20.894 - and EMS study needs to be made on a countywide basis and decide how it's going to go forward. 00:31:21.698 --> 00:31:29.796 - you know, in the future here. So next one is cities and towns. We already went over 10. So at this point 00:31:29.796 --> 00:31:37.586 - in time, I think we kind of went over and by the way, I guess I should not leave the taxpayer out on 00:31:37.586 --> 00:31:45.531 - page 13. This is why we said if we build in the losses due to the property tax losses, you know, we've 00:31:45.531 --> 00:31:49.310 - got a raising of the rising tax bill out of lit. 00:31:49.634 --> 00:31:57.778 - And I know better. And someone said, what are you recommending? I'm not recommending anything. I'm suggesting 00:31:57.778 --> 00:32:05.551 - this is where the numbers fall out based upon the information that Tate and I have. But if you use these 00:32:05.551 --> 00:32:13.103 - points, then it would be an increase in the LIT to residents in Monroe County. And that's not unusual 00:32:13.103 --> 00:32:16.286 - at all because no one is really picking up 00:32:17.186 --> 00:32:28.462 - that's the point. So, um, we'll kind of go from there. So at this point, Peter, I think unless you think 00:32:28.462 --> 00:32:40.167 - I I want to talk about this, but we maybe after we talked to some of the people, some of the club treasurers 00:32:40.167 --> 00:32:46.718 - and, um, elected officials, we can kind of come back to this 00:32:46.850 --> 00:32:54.829 - why some of these things are in here. And again, we're saying let's really not go out on the proverbial 00:32:54.829 --> 00:33:02.578 - limb. You would not want to go out on a limb and say the county only needs 94 basis points. The city 00:33:02.578 --> 00:33:10.327 - of Bloomington only needs 1.04. No, I would not suggest that because the game and the ball game will 00:33:10.327 --> 00:33:16.158 - change. So, okay. Greg, thank you very much. Do you have anything to add to 00:33:16.322 --> 00:33:23.026 - The packet that you all put together? No, he pretty much went over everything until people have some 00:33:23.026 --> 00:33:29.996 - questions. Can you bring the mic close to your mouth? No, he pretty much covered everything until people 00:33:29.996 --> 00:33:36.766 - have some questions for us. So. OK, wonderful. I think now we're going to transition in the agenda to 00:33:36.766 --> 00:33:43.006 - agenda item number five. And that's where we're going to offer an opportunity for you to hear 00:33:43.202 --> 00:33:49.625 - from the statutorily required people up on this dais. They'll have up to five minutes to make a statement. 00:33:49.625 --> 00:33:55.688 - If you don't use all of that time, that's fine. But we also built in time for Q&A. So if you want to 00:33:55.688 --> 00:34:01.691 - ask Greg a question, you want to ask county legal a question, you want to ask the county auditors a 00:34:01.691 --> 00:34:07.693 - question, or vice versa, then we wanted to have that dialogue. Immediately following the statements 00:34:07.693 --> 00:34:08.894 - from these members, 00:34:09.154 --> 00:34:16.038 - We are offering an opportunity to hear from other taxing units. If you're here from the Township Trustee, 00:34:16.038 --> 00:34:22.728 - if you're here from Fire EMS, if you're here from the libraries, if you're here from any of the groups 00:34:22.728 --> 00:34:26.430 - really that Mr. Gutierrez mentioned in his presentation, 00:34:26.530 --> 00:34:31.924 - We want to hear from you. We have microphones set up on the table for you to make a statement. We're 00:34:31.924 --> 00:34:37.318 - timing those a maximum of three minutes. And we're then going to be allotting a five-minute question 00:34:37.318 --> 00:34:42.711 - and answer, because we know this is complicated. We know that we don't have all the information. And 00:34:42.711 --> 00:34:48.052 - so once we get to item number six on the agenda, I'll invite people up to the microphones. And then 00:34:48.052 --> 00:34:53.446 - for those of you who are joining us on Teams, we'll try and alternate between in the room and on the 00:34:53.446 --> 00:34:55.742 - screen. Does that sound good to everybody? 00:34:56.482 --> 00:35:04.431 - All right. On the agenda, we listed the statutory, the taxing unit in reverse alphabetical order. 00:35:04.431 --> 00:35:12.785 - So TSD, can we get a five minute timer going on the screen? Or Michelle, are you doing that? Oh, nope. 00:35:12.785 --> 00:35:21.058 - TSD's got it. OK. So Steinsville, you've got the floor. OK. Thank you, Peter. My name is Leah Figley. 00:35:21.058 --> 00:35:25.438 - I am the clerk treasurer for the town of Steinsville. 00:35:25.602 --> 00:35:33.529 - I just finished my first year in this job, so I am very new. Obviously the must lit stuff is very new 00:35:33.529 --> 00:35:41.378 - as well. Filling out the questionnaire was very eye opening to me. We are a very, very small town in 00:35:41.378 --> 00:35:49.305 - this county and there's not much room for growth. There's not much room for funding elsewhere outside 00:35:49.305 --> 00:35:54.590 - of maybe some grants. So this is very, very vital to our tiny town. 00:35:57.314 --> 00:36:05.717 - Thank you. And does anybody have any questions or points you want to make? Let's help around. Sure. 00:36:05.717 --> 00:36:14.121 - So 203 people. Yes. Did you go to maybe 205 yesterday? Probably not. OK. So hopefully you didn't go 00:36:14.121 --> 00:36:22.944 - to 198 either. I don't know. OK. So there's the point. OK. So they didn't give you the ability to create 00:36:22.944 --> 00:36:27.230 - your own rate. You wouldn't want it on 200 people. 00:36:27.682 --> 00:36:34.756 - and you know I've seen this yes you know every every other night and so you know and the county has 00:36:34.756 --> 00:36:41.831 - served you well in the past the county council and that's the way it looks like it would be for the 00:36:41.831 --> 00:36:49.047 - future for you and so you know that is to keep you in business so to speak and that's critical so you 00:36:49.047 --> 00:36:55.838 - know so that's how I would help you out you really welcome aboard thank you you got you got 200 00:36:55.970 --> 00:37:04.106 - people behind you, and they want to achieve what they've got now. Absolutely. Perfect. Anybody else? 00:37:04.106 --> 00:37:07.006 - All right. The town of Ellitsville. 00:37:08.098 --> 00:37:14.889 - everyone my name is Noel Conyer I am the clerk treasurer for the town of Ellisville I am in my third 00:37:14.889 --> 00:37:21.949 - year of my first term I did want to state our goals as far as Ellisville that our objective is to ensure 00:37:21.949 --> 00:37:29.211 - that the lit revenues remain stable and predictable for the town while limiting the impact on our taxpayers 00:37:29.211 --> 00:37:35.262 - one of the things that we also have to take into consideration is that we have a proposed 00:37:35.362 --> 00:37:41.741 - ballot question for reorganization for the town of Ellsville and Richland Township. So we need to be 00:37:41.741 --> 00:37:48.247 - mindful of that while we're having these discussions. But there's one principle I think that I can say 00:37:48.247 --> 00:37:54.626 - personally I feel strongly about that we're trying to make sure that the tax impact on our residents 00:37:54.626 --> 00:38:01.068 - is as low as possible while maintaining all the services that we provide. Currently we do fund out of 00:38:01.068 --> 00:38:02.142 - our lit revenues 00:38:02.274 --> 00:38:08.568 - public safety and various economic development projects, and I wanna see that continue. So I'm really 00:38:08.568 --> 00:38:15.294 - thankful that we're having these conversations and we're making sure that we're gonna come to an appropriate 00:38:15.294 --> 00:38:21.835 - rate that's good for all the residents in Monroe County. Thank you so much. And to help you, as we talked 00:38:21.835 --> 00:38:28.314 - before the meeting, we did not take into or estimate anything on geographic boundary changes. We believe 00:38:28.314 --> 00:38:31.646 - that would be a good sentence in here that any future 00:38:31.810 --> 00:38:40.053 - changes in geographic due to consolidation or whatever should we should be able to reflect that in the 00:38:40.053 --> 00:38:48.377 - new law and so you know I was in one place where we have one town that's in three counties the law does 00:38:48.377 --> 00:38:56.620 - not address how you split up lit can you imagine uh leah if you were in three counties and so you know 00:38:56.620 --> 00:39:00.542 - it doesn't address that so those are things that 00:39:00.738 --> 00:39:07.500 - We really didn't even know existed. And consolidation is something the state, I believe, sometimes I 00:39:07.500 --> 00:39:14.263 - get a tomato thrown at me when I say this, but that's something that they want to see. And so that's 00:39:14.263 --> 00:39:21.092 - a fact of life. And what we look like, that's kind of what I meant by the fire. And he asked, what we 00:39:21.092 --> 00:39:27.854 - looked like in 28 could be totally different than we look today. So. Any other comments or questions 00:39:27.854 --> 00:39:29.662 - for the town of Ellsville? 00:39:30.754 --> 00:39:36.552 - All right. City of Bloomington. All right. Hi, my name is Jeff McKim. I am the city controller for the 00:39:36.552 --> 00:39:42.405 - city of Bloomington. So I think I'm the only one here who is not an elected official. I've been working 00:39:42.405 --> 00:39:48.034 - for the city since the beginning of the year. I have had a statement, but I'm going to throw it out 00:39:48.034 --> 00:39:50.398 - because Greg has done such a great job of 00:39:50.466 --> 00:39:56.929 - the basics that I think there's absolutely no point in reiterating what he's already said. I just noted 00:39:56.929 --> 00:40:03.144 - a couple of topics that kind of remain concerns for me. I just want to make sure that we deal with. 00:40:03.144 --> 00:40:09.420 - One is just to express my support for the shared municipal services approach. I appreciate that that 00:40:09.420 --> 00:40:15.262 - seems to be the direction that a lot of this conversation has gone. We have been working with 00:40:15.362 --> 00:40:21.224 - We have a city council has a special committee on fiscal committee and we have our financial advisors 00:40:21.224 --> 00:40:27.201 - reading financial. We've been working together to model a lot of these same scenarios as well. And it's 00:40:27.201 --> 00:40:32.948 - remarkable how close, I mean obviously the assumptions are a little different and the numbers are a 00:40:32.948 --> 00:40:33.982 - little different. 00:40:34.082 --> 00:40:42.296 - But we've come up with 1.09% as our break even, but that's clearly just some difference in assumptions 00:40:42.296 --> 00:40:50.589 - and very similar numbers to your fire and EMS as well. So I think that's heartening that we're at least 00:40:50.589 --> 00:40:58.962 - all agreeing on numbers that would keep us whole. And I do think that keeping the local government units 00:40:58.962 --> 00:41:00.318 - whole so that we 00:41:00.418 --> 00:41:07.334 - can continue to provide the services that we need remains a possibility. Just a couple of the other 00:41:07.334 --> 00:41:14.665 - concerns I want to make sure that are just at least under consideration. The PSAP rate, the public safety 00:41:14.665 --> 00:41:21.650 - answering point rate, that's kind of an odd one because the money goes to the county, but through an 00:41:21.650 --> 00:41:23.102 - interlocal agreement 00:41:23.362 --> 00:41:29.528 - currently the money is then or so at least some of it is distributed to the city who then operates the 00:41:29.528 --> 00:41:33.598 - dispatch center. The interlocal agreement is in desperate need of a 00:41:33.826 --> 00:41:40.454 - of a redo. So we definitely need to do that. But I want to make sure that this kind of transfer of revenues 00:41:40.454 --> 00:41:46.652 - doesn't get lost, because clearly dispatch is an absolutely key service that every one of us depends 00:41:46.652 --> 00:41:52.788 - on literally for our lives. Schools and libraries, I think we've already talked about how important 00:41:52.788 --> 00:41:59.048 - it is to keep them whole. It sounds like schools may have some alternate statutory paths that they're 00:41:59.048 --> 00:42:00.766 - working on, which is great. 00:42:00.866 --> 00:42:09.233 - But I do think that it's important that we do that. I think before we make any decisions on rates, we 00:42:09.233 --> 00:42:17.847 - do have the AGI information for municipalities. This is the geofencing that Greg talked about. Our Reedy 00:42:17.847 --> 00:42:21.374 - partners have done some modeling, and they 00:42:22.274 --> 00:42:29.598 - They have come up with estimates using the census and ACS data that are very similar to. They're not 00:42:29.598 --> 00:42:36.923 - identical to those that FSG have come up with. But FSG's numbers are well within the error bars that 00:42:36.923 --> 00:42:44.247 - Reedy has provided us. But I think before we make any real decisions, the state, the DOR, which does 00:42:44.247 --> 00:42:51.934 - have the data ultimately, needs to be able to provide that to us. Otherwise, we are kind of flying blind. 00:42:52.450 --> 00:42:58.420 - I do have a little bit of concern about the lack of structure for the fire and EMS rate. I know that 00:42:58.420 --> 00:43:02.558 - there's a desire to keep that flexible. I just want to make sure that 00:43:03.362 --> 00:43:09.554 - If it is flexible, though, we still are able to come up with something that's more long term so that 00:43:09.554 --> 00:43:15.807 - we can make budgeting decisions. Greg mentioned the dates of distribution, that that clearly needs to 00:43:15.807 --> 00:43:22.551 - be cleaned up statutorily, since the DLGF seems to be under the mistaken understanding that the distributions 00:43:22.551 --> 00:43:28.682 - start in 2030. And then also, I'm glad that Noel brought up the Ellitsville reorganization. I think 00:43:28.682 --> 00:43:31.134 - we need to have a good understanding of 00:43:31.298 --> 00:43:40.048 - of how the Ellitsville reorganization would affect particularly the opt-in rates before we would come 00:43:40.048 --> 00:43:48.798 - to any kind of decision. So thank you all for allowing us this opportunity to talk about the subject, 00:43:48.798 --> 00:43:54.974 - and I'm happy to continue the discussion. Thanks. That's what I'll say. 00:43:55.202 --> 00:44:01.708 - I will quickly address the piece that point that you made, which is a great one. We had the chief of 00:44:01.708 --> 00:44:08.730 - police here addressing the county council's budget hearings and the very same topic came up. That interlocal 00:44:08.730 --> 00:44:15.237 - desperately needs to be addressed. And we had that very same conversation. So it's nice to know that 00:44:15.237 --> 00:44:19.102 - the city of Bloomington and Monroe County on the same page. 00:44:20.290 --> 00:44:27.145 - All right, I'm going to give a brief statement here, and I'm going to read my statement because the 00:44:27.145 --> 00:44:34.000 - way that this statute is written gives immense power to the seven members of the county council. We 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:40.855 - are aware of this. It makes at least me, I'll speak personally for this, pretty uncomfortable to be 00:44:40.855 --> 00:44:47.230 - given that much power and control over the 41 taxing units that exist here in Monroe County. 00:44:47.362 --> 00:44:54.199 - I just wanted to remind everyone that I am Peter Iverson. I am the President Pro Tem of the Monroe County 00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:59.166 - Council. I am District 1 elected official and President of the Monroe County 00:44:59.234 --> 00:45:05.669 - long-term finance committee, kind of a sister organization to the one that Mr. McKim mentioned. And 00:45:05.669 --> 00:45:12.490 - I have been appointed through a voting process by the Monroe County Council to chair these must meetings. 00:45:12.490 --> 00:45:19.054 - I want to take a few minutes just to express how the council views why we're here, how the process is 00:45:19.054 --> 00:45:25.489 - going to move forward, that we understand it, and we want to try and give as clear a roadmap to you 00:45:25.489 --> 00:45:27.870 - all on what to expect going forward. 00:45:28.578 --> 00:45:34.892 - On August 25th of this year, the Monroe County Council adopted Resolution 2026-31, formally convening 00:45:34.892 --> 00:45:41.577 - this Municipal Unit Strategic Task Force or the MUST for Monroe County. We think this is vitally important. 00:45:41.577 --> 00:45:47.891 - We want to be talking with you. We want to collaborate with you. This is our community and we want to 00:45:47.891 --> 00:45:49.438 - be in dialogue with you. 00:45:49.698 --> 00:45:57.822 - This task force, of course, exists under Indiana Code Section 6-3.6-3-13, created this year by the House 00:45:57.822 --> 00:46:05.714 - Enrolled Act 1210. It gives us the option to create this body, and of course, we are required by that 00:46:05.714 --> 00:46:13.374 - same statute that all of us reach unanimous agreement on any type of statement that comes forward. 00:46:13.538 --> 00:46:20.294 - I do want to reiterate something that Greg mentioned. An agreement is not required. And what is required 00:46:20.294 --> 00:46:27.371 - is that we have a conversation openly and collaboratively. And at least from the county council's perspective 00:46:27.371 --> 00:46:33.806 - today is about starting that process the right way. I've been getting a lot of questions about what 00:46:33.806 --> 00:46:40.240 - this is all about. This is a complex topic. And as we saw from the 11 or 12 slides that FSG has put 00:46:40.240 --> 00:46:42.942 - together, this is not easy to understand. 00:46:43.170 --> 00:46:50.208 - And if you're not engaged in talks about property tax and income tax on a regular basis, this is pretty 00:46:50.208 --> 00:46:57.044 - complicated stuff. So I just want to go over that in 2025, Senate Enrolled Act 1, it created a brand 00:46:57.044 --> 00:47:04.082 - new framework for adopting and distributing local income tax. The Monroe County Council has been really 00:47:04.082 --> 00:47:11.053 - struggling with the losses that we've been experiencing to hit our budgetary goals. But in particular, 00:47:11.053 --> 00:47:12.542 - that bill lowered the 00:47:12.674 --> 00:47:18.950 - the total rate cap. It eliminated the old property tax relief rate, and it split rates into separate 00:47:18.950 --> 00:47:25.474 - categories that Greg showed on one of his slides for county services, fire and EMS, non-municipal units, 00:47:25.474 --> 00:47:32.246 - and municipal services. This year, House and World Act 1210 delayed that new framework. This is an important 00:47:32.246 --> 00:47:39.019 - point, because you've heard Greg Guterres say this from FSG. You've heard the city say this. The legislature 00:47:39.019 --> 00:47:40.510 - is about to meet again. 00:47:40.866 --> 00:47:46.189 - We don't know what's coming down the pike, but we know that things are coming down the pike. So we were 00:47:46.189 --> 00:47:51.562 - looking at House Enrolled Act 1210 that was passed this last year. New rates were adopted. It also gives 00:47:51.562 --> 00:47:57.039 - city and towns the ability to petition for county wide means of rate, which we've covered already tonight. 00:47:57.039 --> 00:48:02.566 - And so as we're looking to January of 2027, we know that the Indian legislature will convene their biannual 00:48:02.566 --> 00:48:06.302 - budget session. The county council is going to be watching that closely. 00:48:06.434 --> 00:48:13.539 - as I'm sure all of you will as well, we have every reason to believe that changes are going to be made. 00:48:13.539 --> 00:48:20.439 - So for that reason, the county wishes to preserve maximum flexibility as the future is so uncertain. 00:48:20.439 --> 00:48:27.544 - So as I conclude, in short, the county council believes that this is our chance to shape decisions that 00:48:27.544 --> 00:48:32.190 - affect us all rather than have them made for us up in Indianapolis. 00:48:32.482 --> 00:48:39.660 - This process lets us coordinate long-term financial planning across every unit in the county, evaluate 00:48:39.660 --> 00:48:46.630 - how future lit decisions affect each one of us and our taxpayers, and honestly, that last slide the 00:48:46.630 --> 00:48:52.414 - FSG presented, the impact on taxpayers, is deeply important to the county council. 00:48:52.514 --> 00:48:58.437 - absolutely know that inflation is going up. We know that the grocery store is more expensive. We know 00:48:58.437 --> 00:49:04.591 - that the gas station is more expensive. Having an open and honest conversation about tax rates is vitally 00:49:04.591 --> 00:49:10.630 - important so we don't spring this on our population. We also know this is not going to be a one meeting 00:49:10.630 --> 00:49:16.727 - process. Whether it's through the Musk framework or whether it's through conversations we build on these 00:49:16.727 --> 00:49:17.598 - relationships, 00:49:17.730 --> 00:49:24.137 - We, the County Council, is dedicated to working from a shared understanding of a legislative framework. 00:49:24.137 --> 00:49:29.866 - We're dedicated to gathering real data, whether that's revenue projections, assessed values, 00:49:29.866 --> 00:49:36.396 - debt obligations, or current firing EMS funding with support available from our partners. And throughout, 00:49:36.396 --> 00:49:41.694 - the County Council is dedicated to keep talking. The relationships that we build here 00:49:42.114 --> 00:49:48.794 - may matter as much as any of the numbers that are in Greg's report. So thank you, and I've hit my time. 00:49:48.794 --> 00:49:55.538 - Do I need any help? No, sir. You did a fine job. Excellent. What we're going to do is then ask the other 00:49:55.538 --> 00:50:02.539 - taxing districts to come to the podium. That's correct. And that's what I've been told by Kim, and basically 00:50:02.539 --> 00:50:07.870 - introduce yourself. All right, so we're going to start here in the NatU Hill Room. 00:50:08.162 --> 00:50:16.142 - If you would like to come forward, either take, if you could take a seat at the table, that way the 00:50:16.142 --> 00:50:24.361 - cameras can hit you better and pull the microphones up to your mouth. Seeing as no one is coming. Hold 00:50:24.361 --> 00:50:32.421 - on one second. Hold on one second. We're going to start on teams. We see that Dustin Dillard, who is 00:50:32.421 --> 00:50:35.294 - the fire protection district chief, 00:50:35.522 --> 00:50:42.605 - has his hand raised. Chief Dillard, thank you for being here. You've got three minutes. TSD, can we 00:50:42.605 --> 00:50:49.971 - adjust the clock to three, please? Good afternoon, everyone. I won't need the clock today. I'll be very 00:50:49.971 --> 00:50:57.124 - quick. In fact, I'm getting ready to haul the safety trailer to Monroe Hospital for a touch of truck 00:50:57.124 --> 00:51:01.374 - event from three to seven. So I will have to get going. But 00:51:01.506 --> 00:51:07.804 - I appreciate being here. I appreciate the opportunity to be a part of the conversation. The only thing 00:51:07.804 --> 00:51:14.163 - that I would like to highlight is this is truly an opportunity in the future to fix our ambulance needs 00:51:14.163 --> 00:51:20.644 - in this county. And I think that that's a big portion of what I would like to contribute in conversations 00:51:20.644 --> 00:51:26.758 - is getting our fire and EMS services together, taking a look at what that looks like countywide and 00:51:26.758 --> 00:51:31.038 - considering that in these measures. So thanks for letting me be here. 00:51:34.146 --> 00:51:40.237 - Thank you so much. And I will point out to the public, if you want a broader discussion of just how 00:51:40.237 --> 00:51:46.816 - interlinked our EMS services are, watch the budget session where the Monroe County Fire Protection District 00:51:46.816 --> 00:51:53.151 - was talking. There's new technology that gets everyone closer linked. It's really interesting. Anything 00:51:53.151 --> 00:51:59.486 - to add about firing EMS? All right. We have a township trustee president here. The floor is yours, sir. 00:51:59.650 --> 00:52:04.918 - Yeah, thank you. The Perry Township trustee, Leon Gordon, I'm here as a representative of the Monroe 00:52:04.918 --> 00:52:10.186 - County Township Association, joined by a few of my counterparts on online and both here present. I'm 00:52:10.186 --> 00:52:15.402 - going to go ahead and just run through it because I don't have much time. We're here to ask for the 00:52:15.402 --> 00:52:20.670 - continued support of townships through lit. In my opinion, in our opinion, this is not a choice, but 00:52:20.670 --> 00:52:25.885 - a community necessity. Most Hoosiers, if not most Americans, are just one missed paycheck away from 00:52:25.885 --> 00:52:28.702 - facing a crisis in their stability. That includes me. 00:52:29.026 --> 00:52:35.305 - Townships are here for those who hit with unexpected loss of employment and income. In a community notorious 00:52:35.305 --> 00:52:41.181 - for its summer economic downturn with the ebbs and flows of the IU academic year and the displacement 00:52:41.181 --> 00:52:47.057 - from work or the dramatically reduced hours that translate to lower take-home pay, townships fill the 00:52:47.057 --> 00:52:53.047 - gap. With the time off of work to care for a sick child or the medical emergency leading to lost wages, 00:52:53.047 --> 00:52:54.430 - townships fill the gap. 00:52:55.202 --> 00:53:00.980 - Or now, in recent times, when a senior has suddenly lost up to a third of their income due to recent 00:53:00.980 --> 00:53:06.758 - legislative changes in Medicaid and Medicare, and they have to choose between rent, food, or keeping 00:53:06.758 --> 00:53:12.594 - the lights on, townships fill the gap. Now is not the time to put townships in a precarious financial 00:53:12.594 --> 00:53:18.372 - situation. Our loss of lit would do just that. So how important is lit for townships? Lit amounts to 00:53:18.372 --> 00:53:23.006 - roughly one-third, 30 percent of our annual fiscal operations for each township. 00:53:23.266 --> 00:53:28.999 - With outlet townships, existing capacity of community support would be significantly diminished. What 00:53:28.999 --> 00:53:34.732 - is that support? What do we do? We provide rent, utilities, food, burial support for people who can't 00:53:34.732 --> 00:53:40.634 - afford to bury their loved ones, transportation, medical needs. Just two days ago, I had a single mother 00:53:40.634 --> 00:53:46.760 - needing specialized formula for her premature-born child after her SNAP benefits were hacked in a completely 00:53:46.760 --> 00:53:52.606 - different state. Not only this, townships also serve as a gateway to connecting with emergency services 00:53:52.738 --> 00:53:59.543 - resources here locally. We stand as the evaluative financial integrity. We evaluate the financial integrity 00:53:59.543 --> 00:54:06.032 - of families' needs, which becomes a resource that they can use to approach other agencies for support. 00:54:06.032 --> 00:54:12.648 - We provide emergency housing in the event of emergency disasters like fires and tornadoes where American 00:54:12.648 --> 00:54:19.264 - Red Cross would do 2 days. We do weeks, often helping people bridge back to stability. We also do things 00:54:19.264 --> 00:54:21.406 - you guys might not even think of. 00:54:21.538 --> 00:54:28.615 - cemetery upkeep and care and resolve noxious weed complaints and property disputes for boundaries outside 00:54:28.615 --> 00:54:35.291 - of municipal units. The economic reality facing Hoosiers is why township stability matters now more 00:54:35.291 --> 00:54:42.100 - than ever. I talked a bit about the legislative change, but in recent census data, in this area, 60.6 00:54:42.100 --> 00:54:48.843 - percent of raiders in Morrone County are cost burdened. More than 30 percent of their income goes to 00:54:48.843 --> 00:54:50.846 - housing. What is more is 35.6 00:54:50.946 --> 00:55:00.849 - that's more than 50% of their income just going to basic needs. I see it on the applications that come 00:55:00.849 --> 00:55:08.926 - through our door. We are a critical line of defense and a cost saving intervention. 00:55:09.026 --> 00:55:15.681 - financial strain on emergency and civil systems. We prevent costly evictions, the administrative burden 00:55:15.681 --> 00:55:22.208 - and the fiscal overwhelming of court systems and shelter systems. It costs more to keep people housed 00:55:22.208 --> 00:55:29.119 - than it is to bring them back once they are homeless. We address food insecurity. We keep the heat running, 00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:35.838 - the lights on, and we address, again, those needs in unincorporated areas that are off municipal radars. 00:55:35.838 --> 00:55:37.566 - So what do townships need? 00:55:38.594 --> 00:55:44.696 - Township assistance is outpacing our budgets. It's the highest year we've seen. And as I spoke to several 00:55:44.696 --> 00:55:50.454 - of my counterparts, we all tell the same story. In twenty twenty six, I certified lit for townships 00:55:50.454 --> 00:55:56.383 - was about one point six million. And the cost of living is only going in one direction. Our burden for 00:55:56.383 --> 00:55:58.974 - providing relief will only continue to grow. 00:55:59.810 --> 00:56:05.840 - We believe a 2 million lit distribution would ensure this critical community line of defense remains 00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:11.332 - strong and give us room to explore additional funding streams and strategies to enhance our 00:56:11.332 --> 00:56:17.302 - cost effectiveness of our service delivery. And in closing, I'll say I encourage you to come by and 00:56:17.302 --> 00:56:22.914 - see us. I noticed that other units were given 5 minutes to speak and some asked to send data. 00:56:22.914 --> 00:56:26.974 - As for ours, come and learn about the families we serve. Thank you. 00:56:28.066 --> 00:56:35.736 - And before you leave, does anybody have any questions for the Township Association? I have one question, 00:56:35.736 --> 00:56:43.113 - Mr. Gordon. If the townships no longer exist, who's going to pick up the bag? Well, we leave that to 00:56:43.113 --> 00:56:50.710 - the good graces of the continuum of care and the nonprofits that have to fundraise and write for grants 00:56:50.710 --> 00:56:54.654 - and generally rely on us as a first point of contact. 00:56:54.754 --> 00:57:02.159 - And so even with their support now, their full support, folks are still struggling. So often we work 00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:09.491 - in tandem and partnership. What we provide and what the limitations we we have, they they they pick 00:57:09.491 --> 00:57:16.822 - up. So thank you for speaking. Thank you. In all making, I understand township budgets a lot. We do 00:57:16.822 --> 00:57:23.934 - because we do. And so I hear you loud and clear and everything you said I saw in other township. 00:57:24.546 --> 00:57:31.237 - your piece of paper we have suggested to the auditors that this should they have said that any formal 00:57:31.237 --> 00:57:38.058 - piece of paper if you're willing to leave that should be enclosed as part of the statement and it could 00:57:38.058 --> 00:57:45.077 - be part of the attachment okay so would you like to leave your written statement it's got a lot of chicken 00:57:45.077 --> 00:57:48.094 - scratch on it that's a script we love chicken 00:57:48.418 --> 00:57:55.094 - Sure, if I can get a copy for myself, that'd be great. Or take your time and type it up and send it 00:57:55.094 --> 00:58:01.970 - in. Oh, no problem. Send it to the auditor. Gotcha. And she's the official record. Am I correct, Bree? 00:58:01.970 --> 00:58:08.713 - Okay. All right. Thank you for the opportunity. Thank you for speaking. Is there anybody else in the 00:58:08.713 --> 00:58:14.654 - NatU Hill Room or online that wishes to speak? Please come forward. You're welcome here. 00:58:28.642 --> 00:58:36.973 - I know you don't need an introduction, but for the record, would you please state your name? Yes, my 00:58:36.973 --> 00:58:45.387 - name's Rita Barrow. I am the trustee at Van Buren Township. I'm not going to go through any more than 00:58:45.387 --> 00:58:54.048 - what Leon has already gone through. So what I am going to say to you is you ask a question, what happens 00:58:54.048 --> 00:58:57.182 - if townships go away? County gets it. 00:58:57.762 --> 00:59:08.553 - you are going to have a mess, okay? I have, this is my 16th year of being Township Trustee. I love what 00:59:08.553 --> 00:59:18.929 - I do because I can help people without it coming out of my income. So it's taxpayer in money that's 00:59:18.929 --> 00:59:27.230 - being spent for a very good reason. Bottom line, lit keeps the Township general 00:59:27.682 --> 00:59:37.291 - from taking it from Township General into Township Assist. When you do this, you're taking away from 00:59:37.291 --> 00:59:46.805 - Township General, which is going to diminish the people that are in there working to make sure that 00:59:46.805 --> 00:59:56.414 - this does work. With the merging of townships, I'm a little concerned about how they get to and from 00:59:57.058 --> 01:00:07.288 - in another township. On top of that, we have a CIP that we have to turn in and make sure that any of 01:00:07.288 --> 01:00:17.619 - our money, 30% of that money, goes to roads now. We haven't had roads since the 18th century. And all 01:00:17.619 --> 01:00:27.038 - of a sudden now, we have it. The other thing I want to know, and maybe you can tell me here, 01:00:28.130 --> 01:00:39.560 - County can have a 2.9, correct? Lit money. And so can the city, correct? No. It's incorrect. Okay. I 01:00:39.560 --> 01:00:50.990 - was wondering about this because if the city goes with the county, is it 2.9 for everybody? So maybe 01:00:50.990 --> 01:00:57.214 - did you pick up our, did you get a copy of our packet? 01:00:57.538 --> 01:01:08.823 - Yes, I did. Let's go to the page if we can go to page five. And I did want to ask each township, did 01:01:08.823 --> 01:01:20.108 - you see our write up and what we put in for the township? That there is a dilemma with the 0.05. OK. 01:01:20.108 --> 01:01:26.142 - OK. And so just keep that in mind. But page five here 01:01:26.786 --> 01:01:37.103 - If you look at the top, what you were asking, Jeff, the single municipal rate instead of 1.04, the city 01:01:37.103 --> 01:01:47.022 - could have 1.2 on there instead of that number. So you'd cross that out, you'd put 1.2 up to 1.2 if 01:01:47.022 --> 01:01:55.454 - they decided to do that. So it would then be added to the 1.34 in this hypothetical. 01:01:56.290 --> 01:02:06.756 - and so it would be 2.38, it would be up by 16 basis points from there. So it's not, we're not pancaking 01:02:06.756 --> 01:02:16.619 - on top of the two where it fits within this 238. So what we have said is we don't believe the 2.7 01:02:16.619 --> 01:02:24.670 - or the 2.9 threshold is going to be an issue yet. And that's why we did the 2.8 01:02:25.154 --> 01:02:34.620 - calculation is checked, there's numerous caps along the road of LIT. And so you, townships are capped 01:02:34.620 --> 01:02:43.901 - by the 05. We said that off ramp looks really, really bumpy. We don't know if we want to take that. 01:02:43.901 --> 01:02:54.110 - We would suggest that off ramp be looked at. Okay. All right. Well, again, thank you for explaining all this. 01:02:54.242 --> 01:03:03.968 - I really, really think that you guys need, and I'm pushing this toward the county council. We hear you. 01:03:03.968 --> 01:03:13.507 - That townships are a major thing, a very major thing to residents that are in need and residents that 01:03:13.507 --> 01:03:23.326 - know that there are people in need. But this is something that the county will have to take over if this 01:03:24.194 --> 01:03:33.711 - takes off and we go because, like I said, they're taking away everything from us from the state. So 01:03:33.711 --> 01:03:43.703 - I want you to just really consider this and know that the county council has the authority to make this. 01:03:43.703 --> 01:03:46.558 - Thank you. Thank you so much. 01:03:48.482 --> 01:03:55.890 - All right, we're going to go back onto teams and Mr. McGlasson has their hand raised. If you could unmute 01:03:55.890 --> 01:04:03.089 - and state your name for the record, you'll have three minutes. Yeah, my name is Tom McGlasson. I'm the 01:04:03.089 --> 01:04:10.148 - director of the Waste Reduction District. And I think the documents that Mr. Guitartas presented, we 01:04:10.148 --> 01:04:15.390 - were under our former name, Monroe County Solid Waste Management District. 01:04:15.586 --> 01:04:22.806 - I'll be brief. I know we're a little over on time, but I do appreciate the opportunity to be here and 01:04:22.806 --> 01:04:29.954 - applaud everyone for being proactive on this issue. The district received LIT, it's probably been 20 01:04:29.954 --> 01:04:37.103 - years or so ago since that. We stopped accepting LIT and we don't currently accept it. But as people 01:04:37.103 --> 01:04:42.270 - have said, there's changes coming. We are primarily property tax funded, 01:04:42.946 --> 01:04:48.969 - Um, about two thirds of our revenue, uh, is from property and excise taxes and, um, don't know the full 01:04:48.969 --> 01:04:54.933 - impact of, of, of, you know, what, what that's going to mean to the district financially, um, as these 01:04:54.933 --> 01:05:00.724 - impacts start to hit. And, you know, I just want to say, you know, our, we, we provide programs and 01:05:00.724 --> 01:05:06.573 - services that are available to all the residents of Monroe County, uh, regardless of whether they're 01:05:06.573 --> 01:05:12.190 - in an incorporated or unincorporated area. And I just, you know, exiting just want us, you know, 01:05:12.354 --> 01:05:20.087 - Keep us in mind, we certainly hope to not need to be able to come and ask for LIT, but the possibility 01:05:20.087 --> 01:05:27.594 - exists. I don't want this organization to get overlooked in this process. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. 01:05:27.594 --> 01:05:35.176 - Robles. Any questions or comments? Joe, I would like to make a comment. Tom, you, FSG and I, we know 01:05:35.176 --> 01:05:41.182 - each other. We've helped you and we've helped do some of your buns in the past. 01:05:41.570 --> 01:05:50.383 - I have seen as I've gone across the state that multiple waste districts are now losing revenue. And 01:05:50.383 --> 01:05:59.196 - matter of fact, of all time high this year, I'm looking at establishing a new tax rate for two. And 01:05:59.196 --> 01:06:08.538 - so are you seeing that today? And I think that's the point about keeping at least part of this in reserve 01:06:08.538 --> 01:06:11.006 - because waste districts are 01:06:11.106 --> 01:06:19.113 - finding financial challenges coming here fairly quickly that they've never had before in the past. We're 01:06:19.113 --> 01:06:26.738 - we're seeing some of that. I mean, obviously the you know the Senate Bill one as those impacts have 01:06:26.738 --> 01:06:34.898 - started to hit. You know what we're where we're seeing it is is an increase in the cap impact. The circuit 01:06:34.898 --> 01:06:38.558 - breaker is hitting us. You know the for for 27. 01:06:38.690 --> 01:06:45.183 - Um, you know, the growth quotient help offset a large portion of that. Um, and so we, we've not had 01:06:45.183 --> 01:06:51.807 - a major financial impact, um, to this point, um, from the changes that are, that are being, you know, 01:06:51.807 --> 01:06:58.170 - phased in at this point. But, uh, as you said, uh, there'll be additional legislation coming, um, 01:06:58.170 --> 01:07:04.858 - in January. Uh, and we'll see, you know, see where that goes and ultimately what that impact is on us. 01:07:04.858 --> 01:07:07.326 - Thank you, Tom. Thank you. All right. 01:07:07.778 --> 01:07:17.410 - Is there anybody else here in the New Hill room that wants to come and speak or on Teams? Seeing none, 01:07:17.410 --> 01:07:27.322 - that seems to naturally lead us to our next steps agenda item, where we are going to be, I think, looking 01:07:27.322 --> 01:07:30.782 - at meeting again on an October date. 01:07:31.554 --> 01:07:39.412 - or we can talk also about the statement and we could at this point if you want as well. So what I was 01:07:39.412 --> 01:07:47.193 - so what I'm suggesting when we get to our next meet okay is number one I think this is a great thing 01:07:47.193 --> 01:07:55.128 - to follow a form and this is the AIC DLGF form. Jeff I think you've seen it and I think you think it's 01:07:55.128 --> 01:08:01.214 - I won't put words in your mouth but I think it's an okay place to start and so 01:08:01.442 --> 01:08:07.955 - If you recognize most of the first part, we would just fill out. I'm suggesting bring what we've done 01:08:07.955 --> 01:08:14.404 - is we tell everybody when we have two meetings who showed up at the two meetings. So in other words, 01:08:14.404 --> 01:08:20.980 - in this first section, we would put the first week. OK, and who showed up? The Alex Ville put treasure 01:08:20.980 --> 01:08:27.621 - in Sinesville and we would put nothing in the no the vote come and then we would put the second meeting 01:08:27.621 --> 01:08:30.558 - the meeting record. I've seen everybody put a 01:08:30.658 --> 01:08:39.855 - a brief summary or attached the minutes of this meeting to this document along with any documents that 01:08:39.855 --> 01:08:48.784 - are handed in. On the next page, page four, I'm suggesting unless the must group overrides what I'm 01:08:48.784 --> 01:08:57.981 - suggesting, I'm suggesting we don't put a right. Okay. And so I heard Jeff, you did a nod. What do you 01:08:57.981 --> 01:08:59.678 - agree or disagree? 01:09:00.418 --> 01:09:20.435 - I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. 01:09:20.435 --> 01:09:29.534 - I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. 01:09:29.890 --> 01:09:37.306 - and look at it, what I'd like you to do is read it, think about it. And, you know, we could put in there, 01:09:37.306 --> 01:09:44.513 - like I said, additional sentence about if the boundaries change due to consolidation, we wouldn't want 01:09:44.513 --> 01:09:51.999 - those boundaries to be taken into account. Right. I definitely think that that needs to be a consideration 01:09:51.999 --> 01:09:57.246 - that we put in this statement since we won't know anything until November. 01:09:58.466 --> 01:10:06.062 - here's what I'd suggest. And I did this in another municipality. Just give us a sentence or two if you'd 01:10:06.062 --> 01:10:13.441 - like and run it. You know, disseminate it through the auditor's office. She'll get it to all the must 01:10:13.441 --> 01:10:20.747 - group members and you know you. You look at that statement. OK, and in adding it here, the peace app 01:10:20.747 --> 01:10:28.126 - distribution is a is a tough one. I don't think I would add the complexity of that right within this. 01:10:28.674 --> 01:10:36.449 - But I think, Jeff, you bring up the point that, yes, when there's interlocals and trading dollars, my 01:10:36.449 --> 01:10:44.453 - understanding is, as we go forward, that won't be precluded. And we took it into account in our numbers. 01:10:44.453 --> 01:10:52.304 - So we would just preserve that concept. And maybe you guys need to revisit the concept in writing. But 01:10:52.304 --> 01:10:58.174 - I don't think numerically, it needs to be in here. And I think it's covered. 01:10:58.690 --> 01:11:07.146 - So you included it in the county rate that yes, that that's great. Yeah, I just wanted to use the opportunity 01:11:07.146 --> 01:11:14.833 - that everybody was here to get make sure it stays at the forefront. Yeah, so I would suggest unless 01:11:14.833 --> 01:11:22.521 - there's a roadblock between now and the next meeting, your next meeting may be, hey, this all looks 01:11:22.521 --> 01:11:27.902 - great to the county, to the two towns and to the city of Bloomington. 01:11:28.130 --> 01:11:35.301 - and you vote on it. And do I believe you need five more meetings? No, I think you need one more and 01:11:35.301 --> 01:11:42.902 - you move forward. And you could always say, you know, in the October meeting, wow, if we found something, 01:11:42.902 --> 01:11:50.360 - if something fell in from the heavens or wherever before November 2nd, you know, or, you know, we could 01:11:50.360 --> 01:11:54.878 - meet again if we had to. So. All right. Pursuant to that idea, 01:11:55.202 --> 01:12:04.376 - I would propose that we meet again on a Friday afternoon at one o'clock and I'm looking at the 23rd 01:12:04.376 --> 01:12:13.642 - and I just if you could all just Is is that a time that you all could meet again? Seinsville is good 01:12:13.642 --> 01:12:18.046 - with that City of Bloomington is good with that 01:12:23.714 --> 01:12:31.347 - October. October, OK. I'm gonna have to double check my sketch. Well, yeah, double check yours because 01:12:31.347 --> 01:12:38.831 - we want to get that in before Election Day. And if we and that you're good. October 23rd, yes, yeah, 01:12:38.831 --> 01:12:46.242 - which would be way before election. OK, yeah. Alright, we will pencil that in and then double check 01:12:46.242 --> 01:12:52.318 - with everybody. Mr Cockrell. It's not about that. I guess we just had a question. 01:12:52.418 --> 01:13:00.500 - that we were going to do one of these. Forms for each meeting. Is that kind of what we were here, sir? 01:13:00.500 --> 01:13:08.661 - OK, one form. Again, you would take that form and it's expandable. OK, and in the front, pretty obvious 01:13:08.661 --> 01:13:16.508 - in the back here we didn't reach any conclusion there, but here just list the first meeting. Second 01:13:16.508 --> 01:13:20.510 - meeting it'll expand OK and who was in attendance? 01:13:20.898 --> 01:13:27.672 - and then the meeting record you type in there, the first and second meeting, the forms pretty interactive. 01:13:27.672 --> 01:13:34.256 - I've done it. But we would expect a statement like this maybe at every meeting to be included. No, that 01:13:34.256 --> 01:13:40.777 - is the statement that we're going to attach to this and we would have a vote on. OK, that's what needs 01:13:40.777 --> 01:13:47.488 - to be unanimous. Doesn't everybody agree up here? That's what we would be doing. OK, I'm glad I clarified 01:13:47.488 --> 01:13:50.590 - that. Yeah, we're not confused. Yeah. All right. 01:13:50.818 --> 01:13:56.533 - We are going to meet again. It looks like on October the 23rd at 1 PM right here in the NatU Hill room. 01:13:56.533 --> 01:14:02.137 - It will be noticed the auditor's office will be sending each of you an email alerting you of this. So 01:14:02.137 --> 01:14:07.687 - thank you all for your attention. Thank you all for the information. Thank you to FSG for all of the 01:14:07.687 --> 01:14:10.654 - details. This meeting of the must group is adjourned.