WEBVTT 00:00:00.834 --> 00:00:08.684 - I'm going to call to order this meeting of the Merrill County Redevelopment Commission for Wednesday, 00:00:08.684 --> 00:00:16.379 - August 19, 2026. Jeff, would you please call the roll? Pardon. Present. Commissioner Cass. Present. 00:00:16.379 --> 00:00:24.229 - Commissioner Jones. And I do not see Commissioner Keesling indicated that she was not going to attend 00:00:24.229 --> 00:00:30.078 - today. And I do not see Commissioner McCarty or Commissioner Tucker online. 00:00:34.754 --> 00:00:45.538 - But we do have a form. Okay. First item of business, the claims. We have three claims. There's the old 00:00:45.538 --> 00:00:56.008 - National Wealth Management for 2015. That needed to get paid as part of the annual. Another one for 00:00:56.008 --> 00:01:01.662 - the Hunter Valley Road Bond. It's another annual fee. 00:01:04.002 --> 00:01:13.721 - services for $514,000. And Lisa, can you tell us? That is your Curry Pike reconstruction project. That's 00:01:13.721 --> 00:01:23.256 - the first pay app. Actually, they are finished with the project. We are having them come back and look 00:01:23.256 --> 00:01:33.438 - at some of the thermo that went down. Putting that installation in, we noticed some of the beading was spilt. 00:01:33.538 --> 00:01:42.626 - around the road. So we think that maybe some of the beating got out of this. I'm going to take a look. 00:01:42.626 --> 00:01:52.243 - As of right now, it appears we will come in under budget. This right now we're, if everything goes according 00:01:52.243 --> 00:02:02.302 - to plan, we would come in around 65,000. Good. So this is a section it looked like to me from 3rd Street South to 00:02:02.402 --> 00:02:11.513 - Around Beasley Drive, which is where it switches to a Tulane, which becomes city of Bloomington jurisdiction. 00:02:11.513 --> 00:02:20.293 - Second phase, we hope to put out to bid for 2027. And that would be from 48 right by CVS where the county 00:02:20.293 --> 00:02:26.174 - and that project will go to Vernal. That'll be the more expensive one. 00:02:27.106 --> 00:02:36.400 - Yeah, there's some more drainage things to address in that section. So we've been trying to work on 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:45.787 - that before we get the bids out this fall. Okay. Done. I will accept a motion. I'll make a motion to 00:02:45.787 --> 00:02:54.430 - approve the claims as presented. Second. I have a motion and a second to approve the claims. 00:02:57.154 --> 00:03:10.812 - $750 for the 2015 old National Wealth Management. This is the bond fee. $1,000 for the 2021 Hunter Valley 00:03:10.812 --> 00:03:23.955 - Road bond fee. And then $514,118 to DTC Construction Services for the Prairie Pike work. Martin. Yes. 00:03:23.955 --> 00:03:25.630 - Mr. Cassidy. 00:03:26.754 --> 00:03:45.155 - Yes. Approved 3 to 0. Okay. Next up is staff comment. I don't have really necessarily anything. We're 00:03:45.155 --> 00:03:52.190 - still working on closing out projects. 00:03:53.154 --> 00:03:59.170 - Pretty much sunrise greetings, Vernal Pike Connector. All the paperwork has been submitted for that. 00:03:59.170 --> 00:04:05.423 - The final change orders are running through construction, which I believe I had informed you guys months 00:04:05.423 --> 00:04:11.618 - ago that that could equal around $150,000 after the project was complete. We have received those change 00:04:11.618 --> 00:04:17.931 - orders. The commissioners have signed those, approved them. Now they'll just run through the construction 00:04:17.931 --> 00:04:20.254 - contract to see if there's funding for 00:04:20.578 --> 00:04:28.814 - reimbursement for those to be covered more at an 80-20 versus 100 percent. We've budgeted for it, but 00:04:28.814 --> 00:04:37.211 - we're hoping that we can still run that through the construction. Fullerton Pike, still trying to close 00:04:37.211 --> 00:04:46.174 - that project out. We have some pavement issues in an area that we believe we have a lane closed at this point. 00:04:47.874 --> 00:04:55.199 - We've had some core drilling done by NDOT. We've had some pouring done, not finding any water. We think 00:04:55.199 --> 00:05:02.455 - it's getting trapped in a certain spot where the two phases, phase two and phase three, ended up where 00:05:02.455 --> 00:05:09.710 - they meet causing the water to rise instead of going to an under drain that was not required. So we've 00:05:09.710 --> 00:05:16.542 - reached an agreement with Milestone on the fix. We're going to go in and we're going to mill out 00:05:17.474 --> 00:05:25.429 - that area which I know the resident back down in that area but we want to fix it get it right before 00:05:25.429 --> 00:05:33.462 - the contract is ended so we'll be doing that work I would say probably in the next two weeks and then 00:05:33.462 --> 00:05:41.810 - we're going to go ahead and install an under drain to where that we don't have this problem in the future 00:05:41.810 --> 00:05:46.142 - then we will also be closing the Fullerton Pike bridge 00:05:46.306 --> 00:05:52.646 - for just approximately about a week. We're looking at the middle of September, talking to the school 00:05:52.646 --> 00:05:59.050 - system and stuff. Perfect time to close that. But it's also... Now that everybody's used to using it. 00:05:59.050 --> 00:06:05.453 - Now that it's used and it's open, but there's a different ratio in the concrete mix now, which caused 00:06:05.453 --> 00:06:11.856 - some cracking, which is typical of what they're seeing in these bridge projects in the last couple of 00:06:11.856 --> 00:06:14.430 - years since they... Of the concrete mix. 00:06:14.690 --> 00:06:21.276 - But there's a fix for that and it's a sealant that you come back in and it gets down in the cracks to 00:06:21.276 --> 00:06:27.732 - prevent. And we've chose to do that over the whole length of the bridge and just not in the cracked 00:06:27.732 --> 00:06:34.318 - areas for the longevity of the bridge. So it'll require closing it for about a week. I think it's the 00:06:34.318 --> 00:06:40.774 - best avenue to go. So we'll send that through to NDOT approval and work with Milestone getting that 00:06:40.774 --> 00:06:43.486 - done. Then we'll do our final walkthrough 00:06:44.290 --> 00:06:53.536 - hopefully be out of the way in the next in the next month, I would foresee that we could relate. Good. 00:06:53.536 --> 00:07:02.781 - Mike, you said next phase of that is starting in twenty seven. It's our goal to do twenty twenty seven 00:07:02.781 --> 00:07:12.296 - phase two and phase three, which would be the last phase, which would be Vernal Pike out to Hunter Valley 00:07:12.296 --> 00:07:13.822 - Road roundabout. 00:07:14.082 --> 00:07:24.489 - and that would be for 2028. Do I understand correctly that we are ready to proceed on Hunter Valley 00:07:24.489 --> 00:07:35.417 - as soon as we can start tree work? That's my understanding. Yes, November 1st to April 1st is the window 00:07:35.417 --> 00:07:43.326 - that you can cut the trees. So realistically, construction would start next 00:07:43.810 --> 00:07:50.253 - Realistic, yeah, realistically. I believe there's a bridge to be built on that project. I haven't seen 00:07:50.253 --> 00:07:56.508 - the plans for a couple years. A lot of times you can do bridge work if they, you know, if typically 00:07:56.508 --> 00:08:02.637 - if a contractor wants to get in there, do the tree work and get it cleared out, then they can go, 00:08:02.637 --> 00:08:09.017 - you know, right into the project. But that's all weather. But. I don't know what they're doing in the 00:08:09.017 --> 00:08:12.958 - bridge or whether they're putting a couple of box collards in. 00:08:13.826 --> 00:08:21.583 - It could still be a box culvert, but if it's typically over a 20-foot span, it would be technically 00:08:21.583 --> 00:08:29.340 - a bridge. Yeah, I don't know whether it's that. I haven't seen it. I looked at it for a while. But. 00:08:29.340 --> 00:08:37.097 - 2027, right now what you're looking at is Curry Pike to the north and Hunter Valley will be the two 00:08:37.097 --> 00:08:40.510 - you have to undertake. And the RDC and yes. 00:08:40.642 --> 00:08:47.779 - Our world. Her world, yes. I had a couple things. The first thing is I just want to remind everyone 00:08:47.779 --> 00:08:54.774 - that we are rescheduling next week and month. Same time, same day, just we're going to go to RBB, 00:08:54.774 --> 00:09:02.054 - the school. We're going to meet in their administrative building. I think we're there. We'll meet and 00:09:02.054 --> 00:09:08.478 - then they're going to do their presentation on what they've done with the funding so that 00:09:08.610 --> 00:09:16.383 - So we're actually taking a little road trip next month. And I just want to kind of remind everyone that 00:09:16.383 --> 00:09:24.081 - we decided to do that a few months ago. The other thing I have is at the last meeting, we talked about 00:09:24.081 --> 00:09:31.630 - the Curry Profile TIF bond and how we weren't making the full payment because we wanted to make sure 00:09:31.630 --> 00:09:37.086 - that we don't lose that TIF as an un- I did reach out to the bond holder 00:09:37.538 --> 00:09:43.597 - I don't think they really have a problem with, you know, the kind of us working through those issues. 00:09:43.597 --> 00:09:49.657 - They did request that I reach out and I haven't yet, but I thought I'd let you know that I'm going to 00:09:49.657 --> 00:09:55.657 - reach other business owner in that TIF to see if they had any ideas of any projects they want to see 00:09:55.657 --> 00:09:59.102 - done. And then, of course, we'd involve Lisa and Highway. 00:10:05.090 --> 00:10:12.925 - And so that we're moving forward with that in that direction. They didn't see any urgency to pay it 00:10:12.925 --> 00:10:20.761 - off so long as we promise we aren't going to pull any more from that bond. And I assure them that I 00:10:20.761 --> 00:10:28.596 - don't think we can. I had a conversation with Ron Walker about the same thing. They were aware that 00:10:28.596 --> 00:10:34.238 - we knew that something ought to get done sooner rather than not at all. 00:10:41.250 --> 00:10:49.726 - The basis is to extend the TIF. Not extend the TIF, just make sure it doesn't get, it doesn't end prematurely 00:10:49.726 --> 00:10:57.663 - without that being a known decision of this group in the county. If it needs to be ended, that's fine, 00:10:57.663 --> 00:11:05.369 - but my role is to make sure you guys know that's what's going on. And I don't think we've come to a 00:11:05.369 --> 00:11:10.686 - conclusion that that's the record. Commissioner McCarty just entered 00:11:13.442 --> 00:11:22.524 - In that area, quick question in regards to Maycomb, Lisa. Based on our profile park, Parkway Road that 00:11:22.524 --> 00:11:31.430 - was done and following some of the things done in the city, the area to Bloomington Transit. I heard 00:11:31.430 --> 00:11:39.454 - that they were going on the west side. It would be. They're on the old ABB side. Oh, okay. 00:11:42.114 --> 00:11:52.436 - I think that's what the road in the area was built for. The industrial area and everything. Yeah, because 00:11:52.436 --> 00:12:02.368 - as we looked at that, you know, what it impacts from a long-term maintenance standpoint and then when 00:12:02.368 --> 00:12:11.326 - the storage units were built with U-Haul, that came to us for just wanted to verify that as 00:12:11.650 --> 00:12:18.602 - Bloomington Transit has purchased the property as they move forward. Is that something that will need 00:12:18.602 --> 00:12:25.553 - to come to this board? And I guess the... Governor Malintze. The storage unit area came to this board 00:12:25.553 --> 00:12:32.641 - as a direct request from the Planning Commission that they... If the Planning Commission requests that, 00:12:32.641 --> 00:12:39.934 - I think that would be... My perspective, the long-term harm, if you want to even consider it, that is that 00:12:40.098 --> 00:12:50.869 - that they would be a tax exempt entity. And so that property would not generate any. But we're able 00:12:50.869 --> 00:13:01.963 - to, as it is now, we're able to, we've covered all of it. Financial standpoint. Okay. We are on. I got 00:13:01.963 --> 00:13:08.318 - a lot of comments. As I told you at the last meeting, I'm, 00:13:08.610 --> 00:13:20.787 - going to come back and revisit this residential issue. I've been trying to figure out where and what 00:13:20.787 --> 00:13:33.084 - we would end up doing. Part of this was generated by the discussion around the proposal to try and do 00:13:33.084 --> 00:13:35.134 - something there. 00:13:35.554 --> 00:13:43.629 - And there was an issue about whether or not there were sewers there, et cetera, et cetera. And that 00:13:43.629 --> 00:13:51.703 - has now been resolved, that the city is going to service any development that occurs on the airport 00:13:51.703 --> 00:14:00.020 - property. But as part of that, we had looked at an area that might be suitable for putting a new sewer 00:14:00.020 --> 00:14:02.846 - plant out in that area to service. 00:14:03.170 --> 00:14:11.511 - what might have been the airport and areas around it. And a lot of that is actually residential. So 00:14:11.511 --> 00:14:20.018 - there was this drawing that I think most of you may have seen previously, but it was kind of an idea. 00:14:20.018 --> 00:14:28.359 - It turns out almost all of this is encumbered by some kind of airport overlay. So I started to look 00:14:28.359 --> 00:14:32.446 - at how I would take that same kind of notion and 00:14:33.058 --> 00:14:41.305 - add to it the things we've learned about residential tips and the requirements to actually make it work, 00:14:41.305 --> 00:14:49.159 - which is that there is land that can be developed for residential uses. There is at least some kind 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:57.092 - of commercial development there which can generate more income quicker because the residential build 00:14:57.092 --> 00:15:01.726 - out takes so long that it would need to be consistent with 00:15:02.178 --> 00:15:12.352 - the existing or anticipated planning and zoning over the life of the tips. So we could actually get 00:15:12.352 --> 00:15:22.526 - people to do things. So I took two areas. One of them is an area that is bounded on the north by 48 00:15:22.526 --> 00:15:29.342 - on the west by Garrison Chapel on the south by May road and on the 00:15:29.698 --> 00:15:40.394 - east essentially by the city of Bloomington going south and have prepared some things that are different 00:15:40.394 --> 00:15:50.682 - maps of this. One of them is the zoning map that the comprehensive plan map which shows most of this 00:15:50.682 --> 00:15:59.646 - is being available for kind of rural residential development. There is the airport here 00:16:00.034 --> 00:16:08.633 - large area. Then we also have commercial development in that area along 48 in a couple of places and 00:16:08.633 --> 00:16:17.231 - certainly along 45. So there are some potential commercial developments but there's a fair amount of 00:16:17.231 --> 00:16:25.745 - developable land here. The zoning shows that most of it is in this airport area which restricts the 00:16:25.745 --> 00:16:29.150 - kind of uses that can be done primarily 00:16:29.698 --> 00:16:39.193 - residential uses because of And these are just sketches that I turned from the from the map I can look 00:16:39.193 --> 00:16:48.595 - at the land the current land uses and there are a lot of just small parcels and things that are being 00:16:48.595 --> 00:16:56.062 - developed and Have to be dealt then the other thing that was of interest was the 00:16:57.154 --> 00:17:03.752 - Developable property which is in our area is usually constrained by steep slopes But fortunately there 00:17:03.752 --> 00:17:10.414 - aren't very many in that area I mean there are some but the big feature there that has to be dealt with 00:17:10.414 --> 00:17:16.949 - is The karst and most of that is up around the airport area rather than south of 48 So I'll just pass 00:17:16.949 --> 00:17:23.483 - these around so these are this is an area that I think It we couldn't do it quite this large But this 00:17:23.483 --> 00:17:26.878 - is an area where there we could start thinking about 00:17:27.202 --> 00:17:34.961 - how we might craft a residential TIF in some part of this area. I'll pass it around to people they can 00:17:34.961 --> 00:17:42.946 - take a look at it if they want to. I would just add to that right now. Airport is doing a drainage study. 00:17:42.946 --> 00:17:50.555 - There are drainage issues that kind of help deal with that. And so, you know, if we want to think of 00:17:50.555 --> 00:17:56.958 - a project, that could be one of the projects you guys look at is, you know, healthy. 00:17:58.562 --> 00:18:05.582 - And that was that's going to be an expensive project. Yeah. I don't think there are any cheap projects 00:18:05.582 --> 00:18:12.874 - in this area, which is one of the reasons why I've looked at a large area, because we can get appreciating 00:18:12.874 --> 00:18:20.030 - value on the existing housing stock as well. I haven't. There's appreciation actually occurring to that. 00:18:20.030 --> 00:18:27.390 - Take that revenue out of that general funds revenue. So there's a trade off there that has to be looked at. 00:18:29.666 --> 00:18:47.555 - that's that was one area. The next area would be essentially Smithville south to Harrodsburg between 00:18:47.555 --> 00:18:51.806 - old 37 and Fairfax Road 00:18:52.546 --> 00:19:01.560 - minus some parts of Fairfax Road that are in the Lake Monroe watershed and are not designated for intensive 00:19:01.560 --> 00:19:10.073 - development. The attractive thing about this one is that there is a sewer plant in this one, okay? So 00:19:10.073 --> 00:19:18.670 - this is the land use map. What's the chance to look through something in this particular area because, 00:19:18.670 --> 00:19:21.758 - you know, there's been a sewer plant 00:19:22.402 --> 00:19:29.208 - changing anything from a density standpoint in this particular area? Press that, because when we look 00:19:29.208 --> 00:19:35.881 - at residential TIFFs, density. On that, two of those areas, the Harrodsburg area and the Smithville 00:19:35.881 --> 00:19:42.755 - area already have sketch plans that would allow more development from a comprehensive plan standpoint. 00:19:42.755 --> 00:19:49.761 - The problem is they need the services and they need the rooftops to make the commercial components work. 00:19:49.761 --> 00:19:52.030 - And that's the kind of stuff that 00:19:52.162 --> 00:19:59.421 - that a dedicated diff could look at. Most of this land is now agricultural rural reserve, but there 00:19:59.421 --> 00:20:06.753 - are some developable areas that are in here, and I think we could probably convert some of that once 00:20:06.753 --> 00:20:14.085 - we had a regular plan. So do you remember, Richard, the comprehensive plan that was put together for 00:20:14.085 --> 00:20:19.166 - the Harrodsburg area, the density that then was moved on the new CDL? 00:20:19.938 --> 00:20:27.336 - Didn't have enough rooftops to support any kind of commercial So if you can bring some more residential 00:20:27.336 --> 00:20:34.948 - in now, I know that for example the Freeman Fields area where there were 40 50 lots that have been sitting 00:20:34.948 --> 00:20:42.346 - there zone but not and they've that's been repurchased by another developer and they start to put homes 00:20:42.346 --> 00:20:49.246 - in there the first one is up and done and living in so this is an area and these are more of the 00:20:49.570 --> 00:20:58.489 - land use, current land use in the areas. This is a picture that shows that a lot of this area is actually 00:20:58.489 --> 00:21:06.987 - not in the watershed. So there is a considerable amount of land, particularly along the 37 corridor, 00:21:06.987 --> 00:21:15.653 - old 37 on the west, and Fairfax Road, and what that one is that goes off, Strain Ridge Road. So if you 00:21:15.653 --> 00:21:18.430 - kind of do Fairfax Strain Ridge, 00:21:18.722 --> 00:21:26.241 - all that drains outside the watershed. So there is some opportunity there. And that's the drainage shed 00:21:26.241 --> 00:21:33.761 - that feeds into the Caslon plant down near Harrodsburg. There are some steep slopes in this area, which 00:21:33.761 --> 00:21:40.991 - limit kind of things that can happen. So you see all the red that's on here. But there are a lot of 00:21:40.991 --> 00:21:46.558 - ridge top and a lot of open space, particularly over in this area over here. 00:21:51.042 --> 00:21:59.808 - This is what they call developable land. So there's all the blue is essentially developed. This is strange. 00:21:59.808 --> 00:22:08.088 - Yeah, there are constraints everywhere. But those are the in the county. Those are the two areas that 00:22:08.088 --> 00:22:16.530 - I thought we could think about how we would focus a TIF district that would be really working on trying 00:22:16.530 --> 00:22:19.614 - to deal with residential development. 00:22:20.066 --> 00:22:29.997 - as opposed to the strictly commercial development, which is what we've historically done. But both commercial 00:22:29.997 --> 00:22:39.025 - opportunities in them, which is, I think, critical for us to make a residential TIF work. They both 00:22:39.025 --> 00:22:48.414 - have significant amounts of residential opportunity in them. I can tell you that at one point there was 00:22:49.250 --> 00:22:59.169 - had certainly we've had interest in more development in the county but there is a desire not to end 00:22:59.169 --> 00:23:09.484 - up with isolated subdivisions in all of these areas there are pockets of existing reasonably reasonable 00:23:09.484 --> 00:23:18.014 - density current development that we could leverage so that we're not end up taking up 00:23:18.338 --> 00:23:29.124 - completely all new Greenfield development, particularly along old 37 as you go south. There's a lot 00:23:29.124 --> 00:23:40.234 - of developable property in that area, road access. So the question was, how would we proceed in trying 00:23:40.234 --> 00:23:46.814 - to figure out what we would do next? Question at this point. 00:23:49.378 --> 00:23:55.876 - in just a little bit, if I don't want to go into the legal end of it, but we just, on the Bloomington 00:23:55.876 --> 00:24:02.310 - Redevelopment Commission, we just did a residential TIF where we pulled it out of a TIF and hoped on 00:24:02.310 --> 00:24:08.999 - separate residential TIF. So the identification of the particular area along with what kind of utilities 00:24:08.999 --> 00:24:15.497 - and infrastructure we would need to put in would be key critical. And to the area you identified down 00:24:15.497 --> 00:24:17.918 - south near the Caslon plant and such, 00:24:18.082 --> 00:24:25.537 - One of the coordinations we might want to double check with is with our Southern Monroe Water Corporation 00:24:25.537 --> 00:24:32.781 - because they've had one based on pumping and supply at this particular point. So when in that area and 00:24:32.781 --> 00:24:40.447 - then the particular basis of residential TIF that will allow residential plus multifamily in the residential 00:24:40.447 --> 00:24:47.902 - TIF to be able to utilize be utilized. But your density will is what kind of make it occur based upon our 00:24:48.130 --> 00:24:55.379 - So those particular areas, identify the area and then finding out what infrastructure needs are absolutely 00:24:55.379 --> 00:25:02.154 - necessary. I haven't talked to the people in planning at all yet. Big areas, think about what might 00:25:02.154 --> 00:25:09.200 - be possible. If we're going to do something, I don't know where else we would be able to do it. I think 00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:16.382 - that's the other thing. Two areas that go back, Richard, because me and you have been around a long time. 00:25:16.770 --> 00:25:25.617 - When we go back to our rural communities basis that we looked at 30 years ago, in regards to those particular 00:25:25.617 --> 00:25:33.659 - areas that actually had the identification of a community hub, so we can look at those. Those areas 00:25:33.659 --> 00:25:40.254 - are great. We're always constrained by our land use and our topography and roads. 00:25:42.146 --> 00:25:51.390 - We can do it. It's just pick that area that's going to give us the best basis of how we can bond it, 00:25:51.390 --> 00:26:00.635 - pay for it, get the necessary infrastructure, and keep the costs of those particular developments to 00:26:00.635 --> 00:26:09.971 - a point where we can hit the medium affordability of our community. I have a question. I know we know 00:26:09.971 --> 00:26:11.710 - where the central. 00:26:12.130 --> 00:26:20.129 - But do we know what the area that that can cover from a? I don't want to speak for the person. I guess 00:26:20.129 --> 00:26:27.895 - if we're looking at next steps, I would say, because I don't know the answer to this, is Harrisburg 00:26:27.895 --> 00:26:35.738 - and Smithville, are they currently serviced by that plant? So we know that it's there, or Harrisburg 00:26:35.738 --> 00:26:37.214 - is? Harrisburg is. 00:26:44.482 --> 00:26:50.748 - depends on how much rock is in the valley. If there's good soil in the valley, run it down the valley 00:26:50.748 --> 00:26:57.259 - and it'd be mostly gravity feed. It would be, not to interrupt Richard, but predating you, I was involved 00:26:57.259 --> 00:27:03.955 - in that when we looked through the Smithville to Seward Smithville and Lake Monroe Village at the particular 00:27:03.955 --> 00:27:10.159 - time. And it was the rock condition because the original plan, original discussion was to follow the 00:27:10.159 --> 00:27:11.326 - railroad corridor. 00:27:14.946 --> 00:27:22.882 - But yeah, Richard's right, it's all downhill. It's just a matter of rock. Yeah. Well, we do and we do 00:27:22.882 --> 00:27:30.974 - places that we didn't do sewers before. Do force mains, small force mains, and various kinds of things. 00:27:30.974 --> 00:27:38.754 - But it's, you know, there are a lot of issues involved. But if we're going to do something, we need 00:27:38.754 --> 00:27:42.878 - to start focusing on an area and see what we can do. 00:27:45.922 --> 00:27:59.536 - that next stop would be planning, see if they've got... Processes work. Structured all the time. The 00:27:59.536 --> 00:28:13.286 - other thing would be that I think for the Van Buren area, the first one I talked about, we would have 00:28:13.286 --> 00:28:15.038 - to establish 00:28:15.970 --> 00:28:26.410 - little better rapport with the city in terms of being able to utilize part of that area to rather than 00:28:26.410 --> 00:28:36.546 - try and build a new plant that would service the whole area focus some of that back into the city's 00:28:36.546 --> 00:28:40.702 - plan outside we'll have some capacity to 00:28:49.986 --> 00:29:05.932 - perspective possibilities are with the current by the airport I think is a place for us to look for 00:29:05.932 --> 00:29:19.646 - growth to idolizing or whatever you want to call it supporting those two communities. 00:29:20.066 --> 00:29:29.664 - They have a sewer plant. I just don't have anybody that wants to live there. Science was also an incorporated 00:29:29.664 --> 00:29:38.476 - area. Yeah. I mean, the thing about the sewer plants is you have to have enough customers to make it 00:29:38.476 --> 00:29:47.376 - work. And right now, with the exception of the Calhoun plant, two municipal plants in Bloomington and 00:29:47.376 --> 00:29:48.510 - Nellisville. 00:29:49.634 --> 00:29:59.331 - There aren't enough customers being served. Steinsville barely pays for itself. But it's there and it 00:29:59.331 --> 00:30:09.694 - works. But I also think that they don't have an RTC. And so if we wanted to do something, I think Harrisburg 00:30:09.694 --> 00:30:19.486 - and Smithville make a lot of sense because they need that infrastructure. And a lot of it is in place. 00:30:22.498 --> 00:30:33.121 - with the expensive dealing with rock and just, you know, got to do it, you got to do it because the 00:30:33.121 --> 00:30:39.070 - upside of being able to service that area. Any trouble? 00:30:47.394 --> 00:30:54.673 - I remember the Southern Monroe water came to the county because we owned Smithville diamonds. They wanted 00:30:54.673 --> 00:31:01.883 - to utilize the area of that property that wasn't part of the diamonds, kind of that wooded area in back, 00:31:01.883 --> 00:31:08.818 - to put a new pump in so that they would have the ability to get more water down to it. Their biggest 00:31:08.818 --> 00:31:10.878 - concern was fire suppression. 00:31:17.410 --> 00:31:25.600 - We just need to see which areas are maximized to help our rural communities and what kind of infrastructure 00:31:25.600 --> 00:31:33.486 - is necessary, and then get into what kind of revenue generation, which is that something as we identify 00:31:33.486 --> 00:31:41.600 - the area we need to talk to our final. I think that going through talking with people planning and knowing 00:31:41.600 --> 00:31:46.302 - what can be the expectation of what is if we had sewer and we 00:31:48.802 --> 00:31:57.018 - And I'm thinking roads probably is the hardest one, because that is expensive for some of these. Well, 00:31:57.018 --> 00:32:05.793 - Richard, let me ask one other question from an area, because I'm a huge proponent of Smithville, Harrodsburg, 00:32:05.793 --> 00:32:13.770 - and our rural communities. Area off of Heart Straight Road where we put roads in several years ago? 00:32:13.770 --> 00:32:17.918 - Yes. West of, or east of... East of Heart Straight. 00:32:18.210 --> 00:32:25.507 - East of Heart Street, yes. And there's the YMC out there. The only utility it lacks is sewer. Yes. So 00:32:25.507 --> 00:32:32.947 - would that area be? No, I suspect there will be an effort from Alexville to sewer that area. OK. I just 00:32:32.947 --> 00:32:40.244 - looked at it from a standpoint as I utilize that road going up. Yeah. And I'm like. I think they will 00:32:40.244 --> 00:32:46.110 - think about coming down to service that area. I haven't read their plan that they 00:32:46.626 --> 00:32:52.890 - together for the merger, but it would surprise me. It would not surprise me if putting that sewer line 00:32:52.890 --> 00:32:59.336 - down there is part of it. They wanted to serve the airport, so if the city is going to serve the airport, 00:32:59.336 --> 00:33:05.479 - then Ellensville wouldn't have any issue, I don't think, going to the... I know when we were talking 00:33:05.479 --> 00:33:09.310 - about it with the airport, they were willing to run that down. 00:33:10.242 --> 00:33:17.008 - They just got a good-sized million-dollar grant to extend their collection system, which means they're 00:33:17.008 --> 00:33:23.709 - going to have more customers available. I think that money goes to the collection system. Is that for 00:33:23.709 --> 00:33:30.279 - the West expansion of the collection system? That's my understanding. I don't know fully. The first 00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:37.177 - thing is we identify, talk to planning, and see what has to happen. And then we move forward. Appreciate 00:33:37.177 --> 00:33:39.870 - you working on that, Richard, very much. 00:33:44.674 --> 00:33:54.593 - Thanks for the discussion. I appreciate it. And there are more opportunities. My conversation with Ron 00:33:54.593 --> 00:34:04.704 - was having to do with the work they're doing in their workforce project. They've actually got some grant 00:34:04.704 --> 00:34:14.430 - money to do some of that work down there. Talking with them about how we would service them with our 00:34:14.530 --> 00:34:28.091 - the right plan which not easy to do. And time. No that the orange County redevelopment commission had 00:34:28.091 --> 00:34:41.652 - worked with us on our. Our facility down there and there is. I'm getting more customers here help pay 00:34:41.652 --> 00:34:43.646 - for the bills. 00:34:44.578 --> 00:34:53.022 - I would love to get some of these communities too, right? I think that's going to be a side effect if 00:34:53.022 --> 00:35:01.549 - one of these goes in and it's successful, is you're going to have a population density enough that you 00:35:01.549 --> 00:35:09.910 - can have a grocery service the area and then we lose one. I agree with you 100%. There's no sense in 00:35:09.910 --> 00:35:13.470 - making additional dialogue. Yeah, exactly. 00:35:18.274 --> 00:35:24.690 - The only thing I'd like to do is thank Lisa for being proactive on the Fullerton Hike Bridge, even though 00:35:24.690 --> 00:35:30.803 - it may be painful for a short little time, because everybody loves that cutway. It would be painful. 00:35:30.803 --> 00:35:36.917 - Yes. But to ensure that we're maintaining the facilities is absolutely critical. And my hat's off to 00:35:36.917 --> 00:35:43.272 - you and Toby and the crew for making the decision that the pain may be short, but the long-term benefits 00:35:43.272 --> 00:35:46.238 - will be there. Appreciate it. I appreciate that. 00:35:46.594 --> 00:35:58.083 - put it out there yet and the public doesn't know, but they will now. But that's okay. I'm pretty upfront 00:35:58.083 --> 00:36:09.462 - and don't try to. Project done. It's, it's still. Got anything. The big project. Yeah. And I think what 00:36:09.462 --> 00:36:13.182 - we're witnessing up North is, um, 00:36:14.882 --> 00:36:23.287 - At Andy's point, short-term pain is definitely a term gain, because there are systems around this country. 00:36:23.287 --> 00:36:31.220 - There are bridges around this country. I've driven on them in Louisiana that have lasted for over 80 00:36:31.220 --> 00:36:39.233 - years under sea level. And I'm not casting aspersions at anybody in Hamilton County. They're going to 00:36:39.233 --> 00:36:44.574 - get one to three inches more of rain from tonight through tomorrow. 00:36:45.506 --> 00:36:53.487 - It's really, it's tragic. But when you see something like Hazelwell Parkway just wash away and a giant 00:36:53.487 --> 00:37:01.313 - quarry become a retention pond, it brings to mind the importance of what we do here. I mean, that's, 00:37:01.313 --> 00:37:05.342 - we got to do Fullerton doing right. And yeah, it's, 00:37:05.890 --> 00:37:12.845 - But it's a big bridge. I don't need to tell you that. I was standing looking over the bridge, wondering 00:37:12.845 --> 00:37:19.533 - where the water is and why I had to build that big 500 foot bridge. And I didn't see any water. But 00:37:19.533 --> 00:37:26.555 - DNR dictates that. And they know what they're doing. So I just have to go with that. Yeah. And you never 00:37:26.555 --> 00:37:31.838 - know. And so we, yeah. And that was not something that could happen. Yes, yes. 00:37:32.546 --> 00:37:39.304 - Yeah, I'm very fortunate what we got was snow instead of 16 inches of rain. So earlier this year. 00:37:39.304 --> 00:37:46.613 - But yeah, I think good discussion. And I would also like to see something within Harrodsburg, Smithville, 00:37:46.613 --> 00:37:53.646 - because those are built in areas. They have communities of interest. It has its area association, its 00:37:53.646 --> 00:38:00.542 - little league, and it is very organized down there. So I think they deserve a little bit of love in 00:38:00.542 --> 00:38:01.438 - terms of the 00:38:01.986 --> 00:38:15.877 - of creating the ability to have more housing down there. Anything? No? Okay. Do we have anybody online 00:38:15.877 --> 00:38:30.846 - that wanted to make a comment or had a question? We're done for the day then. To adjourn would be appreciated. 00:38:31.714 --> 00:38:35.390 - adjourned. Thank you all for coming today. Appreciate it.