This is the Monroe County Women's Commission meeting. We're going to go ahead and call it to order. I'm Julie Hardesty. I am not the chair. Susan is sick today and cannot make it. So I am vice chair and I will be running the meeting, but I just found out I'm doing this. So we'll see how this goes. All right. So does everyone have the agenda? Susan sent it, but I, yeah, great. All right. So the commission shall serve in an advisory role to assist residents, businesses, and the government of Monroe County in addressing issues of gender equity. And the mission is to advance the status of women and marginalized genders in all areas of county life. So the first item on our agenda for today is the approval of minutes. And I think what we're approving today is both October 15th and December 18th minutes. and Molly sent those around. And I don't know, I'm not seeing very well with the screens. Is anybody online for the commission? Or are we all in person? Molly, that's Molly Turner King. I'm looking for commission members. If there's any commission members online. I don't think that there is. Okay, all right. In that case, you said that you've got a minor edit on December's meeting minutes. The location is duplicated, but it's just the location and call to order time. And it's 534 versus 537. So I think it's probably fine either way. Nobody cares. I think that's fine too. We can probably still go forward and approve those if everything else is looking good. Does anyone want to make a motion to approve both sets of minutes? Motion to approve. Second. Second. All right. Thank you. All in favor say aye. Aye. All right. I am seeing with the October minutes that we've got something to discuss potentially because It says that we were going to approve the August and September minutes at the November meeting, and the November meeting didn't happen. So did we never approve the August and September minutes? No, we did in December. We did in December. Yeah. At the last one. December said that we approved October and December. Oh, that's the event. Oh, is that an error on the December minutes? That's it. OK. I was like, I don't know where that August and September came from. So OK. I'll update that right now. August and September. All right, so approving the December minutes with the approval of minutes noted to be August and September of 2025. And then, yeah, the other minor update to remove the duplicated location and call to order. OK. Do we need to vote on that again? Because that's an update. Just fixed it. Just fixed it. All right. We'll just do this to make sure we're good with December. So do I have a motion to approve the December minutes with those edits? Motion to approve. I second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? I forgot this the last time. All right. Anyone? All right. I think we all said something, so I'm going to go ahead and move forward. OK. Thank you. I'll get there. So do we not, oh, we don't have an approval of agenda on the agenda for today. We had discussed that, I think, three meetings ago. And we don't have to, because it's the same agenda that Susan had sent out every month. OK, fair enough. All right, moving on. Commissioner updates. The chair is not present, so there is no update from the chair. The vice chair is a little overwhelmed at the moment, so I'm just going to run the meeting and not have any update. we'll move on to commissioner updates. Do any of the commissioners have an update that you would like to provide? So just an update, people probably already know this, but the people won the fight against redistricting in December, and the good That's great news. And then also, it's also great news that is literally dead for this legislative session because they didn't call a special session. They called the session in early. So that's great. The NAACP Beyond Brown Building Forward When Progress is Rolled Back is coming up on January 25th from 2 to 4. at the library on Kirkwood. I was just looking at Ms. Fidel because she's having a listening session, but everything should be fine. Our main speaker is Dr. Charlie Nelms, and we are going to be talking about reviving freedom schools. I do also want to recognize my organization, Hoosier Asian American Power, celebrating only two years of work. It seems like it's been a lot, more than two years, given the work that we've done, but very, very proud of that. The Martin Luther King celebration is on Monday at 5.30 at Buzzkirk Chumley. The League of Women Voters legislative update, the next one is January 31st at 9.30, and you can register for that at the League of Women Voters website. League of Women Voters Monroe County or Bloomington, not the state site. Lunar New Year is February the 17th. And there are some bills that I wanted to point out because we are having the short legislative session, but there are some really important reproductive healthcare bills that I would like all zero people who watch this to pay attention to. So we want to support SB051, which is postpartum care for mothers who are on Medicaid. Support House Bill 1014, which would then be the law that anyone who's doing sonography or ultrasounds would have to be licensed. And that's important because a lot of these pregnancy centers do not require their people to be licensed. And so then they say not true things in terms of what they're looking at, what they're seeing, and then make suggestion. Most of these pregnant centers are very much right to life. We need to support, or I want to suggest support for House Bill 1020. That is an access to birth control bill. I want to also suggest support for HB 1049. It's coverage, insurance coverage for doula services. And we need to oppose SB 2, if I'm reading my handwriting, SB 236. That's restricting abortion drugs. I believe that's specifically for mail mailing. And then also requesting reports on who's receiving them or requesting them. Senate Bill 076 and HB 1039 are I think sister bills or whatever they call it. their immigration matters and various immigration matters. They are calling for local law enforcement to cooperate with federal law enforcement. We know what that means and we know that we're fighting that here in this county. I do want to thank Sheriff Marte for that. Um, I think we can, well, it's up to you if you want to support this one or not, but I wanted to end on this note that SB 21 has already passed the Senate and has been referred to the house. It's about the state sandwich becoming the tender line. Okay. And I also then shameless plug, Buffaloes did just add a beautiful tenderloin sandwich to their menu. I just had it, um, whatever last week and it was. very tasty. And that's all. Thank you very much, Commissioner Douglas. Are there any updates from other commissioners? I don't have an update, but I was sent something that I hadn't seen before that I wanted to share. And everybody else maybe has seen it already, but it's called Indiana Prosperity 2035, a vision for economic acceleration. And it was done by the Indiana Chamber Foundation. statewide. I haven't had a chance to read through the entire thing, but it's only 20 pages. And as I was reading through it, it just made me think of our rubric, because there is not much about women in the first few pages. So I just wanted to throw it out there, and I can send it to everybody via email. I wasn't sure if that was something that our county-wide representatives also were aware of. So I will email it to everyone. Thank you. Thank you. Commissioner Feidl, is there anything that you have for an update from the County Council? We've gotten correspondence from the ACLU attorney can flock and there's no extension, extensive extension for the lawsuit. In fact, it needs to be, something needs to be in place for a plan and something to happen by April 15th. So we are under the gun to get this all in order. We are working now with commissioners to schedule a joint work session to work on this in an evening. I don't know which evening will be selected yet, but we're doing a poll to find out. I think we have seven times or seven dates to choose. So within the next couple of weeks or so, we're going to be meeting with them and hopefully have a big public session about it so it's not somewhere where, you know, during the day where people can't get to it and we can hopefully have the public interest coming at the event as well. So I'm happy about that. I'm not much on secrets and this is right in with how I like to operate. So we'll see. I don't know what the appetite is going to be from either side, the county commissioners or us. I mean, we have to think about the money, you know, I mean, that's why we're where we're at. We didn't have the money. So by the time SEA 1 got enacted, there was no money to do the project that was originally planned for the fall before that at North Park, because there was not enough money able to fund the project. And then because of the property tax reform, the money available to do that was lessened a whole lot. And so we didn't have the capability to do the bonding we needed to do. They also stripped some of our ability to do that. So when you don't have a plan for money, the projects change in scope. But the lawsuit from the ACLU is only about the jail. other additional services like the clerk, the courts, the judges, any of that. It's not about prosecutors, any of that. So the lawsuit is only about the jail. So that's really what we have to focus on at this point and make our decisions based on that because of the money. So. And that was, yeah, thank you very much. That was something I saw when I was looking at the December minutes is the commentary that the Women's Commission had provided during the the special committee meetings about the jail. We were going to share those documents and statistics and processes with you. And have we, we didn't do that yet, have we? I don't think so. Yes, I still need to send those to you. So I'm going to make a note for myself. If you could do that before the next week, that would be great because we might be meeting. And then that would be relevant that I could share with the rest of the folks. So that would be helpful. I'd be happy to pass along whatever it is and commit to do so. I have all of that and I should be able to send it along. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. So, um, yeah. So any feedback you have or anybody else, you know, that has feedback? I mean, citizens should be contacting us, I think. And, but their interest in what they, where they'd like it, right? I mean, we're not going to probably have it out at North Park unless some magic money comes along. Um, So and then it would be a whole different facility out there. It was going to be a combined facility, huge and all that. So it's probably not going to be there. It's my guess, although nothing is absolute at this point. But, you know, we have some properties, the county owns some properties. So and the city owns some properties. I don't know if some trading could happen there. I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen, but we have to come up with something. We need something in writing. that the ACLU will consider we're working on in earnest and are making progress. So that's the goal. So it's a lot to do in three months, but we've come this far. Surely we can make a plan. I mean, we don't have any major holidays or anything like that coming up at this point. The holidays at the end of the year are all over, and we're on a new year. So let's get to work and get it done. That's kind of where I'm at. So I'm curious. Thank you. Thank you for that update and for that information. I'm curious about how easy it is to find parcels of land, you know, who owns what? I'm curious if there could be a list of city and county owned. So the GIS, do you ever use the GIS? OK, you can search on the GIS, either by the county or the city and find out who owns what. OK, search on the GIS. OK, good. You can search by the property owner. And it'll pull it up for you. Okay. Perfect. Perfect. Yeah. So some, you know, some wouldn't be pertinent because maybe a location or other factors. Right. I mean, they looked at several properties and many of them just weren't going to meet the need. Right. So I don't think, but I don't know, maybe some accommodate, maybe there's could be some accommodations made at this point based on the money where we're at now. You know, I don't know. I don't know how it's going to work out. Yeah, and when you say meet the need, it depends what that need is, who's defining that need. So depending on who's defining it and what that definition is. Right. Well, when the ACLU came down and looked at the jail and we toured it with him last fall, almost winter, we don't have the mental health need. We don't have many needs. We don't have, if there's not enough need, So they've identified however many mental health inmates there were. And so there weren't enough rooms with that kind of capacity to serve the need. That's the kind of thing we're talking about. So we're talking about LGBTQ issues, whatever the issues are, all of those special entities, those need to be taken into consideration as we build. Absolutely. And so it'll be that plus. plus the numbers based on the trajectory of what it's been. Functional beds. Yes, that's right. Yes, yes, yes, yes, all those things. So there's a lot of different things that will be decided. I know some want it all on one level. I don't know if that's going to be possible. They think that that manages better as a jail. I don't know if that'll be possible. There's just a lot of different things that will have to be worked out. money in mind. Yeah. It's too bad it's taken this long. Yeah. I mean, the lawsuit has been going on since 2009, long before my time. Shameful if I can say that. Yeah. This is not where we should be at this point. That's right. It is not. It's too bad it's taken this long. But I'm happy to be a part of getting it wrapped up. Great. I'm happy that you helped me distribute. I like to check things off my list and those will be nice to check off the list. And we have a plan and it can go as expected, right? And as feasibly possible. So time will tell. Stay tuned. And so there'll be a notification about the meeting once something is decided that we can all partake in. So hopefully that'll come out in the next couple of days or so. Great. And I appreciate your attention to the time. Yeah, for sure. Yes. Yes. I think there's quite a bit of public interest, I'd be my guess. And there should be. Absolutely. There should be a lot of public interest. It's a big deal for the community to have a jail where it's going to be, how it's going to be designed, and meet the needs of the community and the partners that work with the jail. I mean, there's just a lot to consider. A lot to consider. So we will see. Thank you very much. And I was just checking online to see if Jody is there, but I don't think I see her, so I don't think there's any board of commissioners vote. Tiana is trying to log on now. Oh, Tiana is. OK. Is she there? No, not yet. No, not yet. She said she was, and she logged off, and she's going to come back on in a second. Well, I think If she comes on, we can see if she's got any updates as a women's commissioner. In the meantime, we can get into the committee reports on the agenda. So this is the old ongoing business. So we've got, the first up is policy committee, which at this point is still commissioner's heart estate, Douglas and Yarrow. And the purpose of the policy committee is to evaluate county policy using a gender equity lens. I think our update now is that we made the ask for how to get on a board of commissioners agenda to present the gender equity rubric and guidelines. So we're going to work through that. I'm not exactly sure when that will happen. It'd be great if it happens soon. And it would be amazing if it became a tool that was available for use in the jail considerations that are coming up here that have to be done by April 15th. But we'll see how the timing works out for that. the way to contact Angie, right? Angie was on the email. Yeah, right. So she knows, and you'll work something out. Yeah, I hope that that moves things along. So I'm trying to figure out how to go about being added on the agenda for a board of commissioners meeting and make it happen. And they meet on Thursdays, as I remember, right? Thursdays at 10, I think. Something like that, right. I can't remember. It's every Thursday, but I know it's multiple Thursdays. Is there other other updates for the policy committee at this point? I don't think so. We have to figure out what we're going to do after we launch this. I'm sure there will be something to work on. But yeah, as part of the policy committee, I will commit to getting the information that we provided and the feedback that we provided to the JFAC committee on the jail to you. That will happen. All right. Just checking to see if Tiana's on. OK. So next up is the data committee, and that is Commissioners Hingle and Douglas. And the purpose of the committee is to become grounded in who we serve through data. So are there updates? No, we're just kind of waiting for the capstone project to begin. Is that scheduled for this semester or the fall semester or summer? I can't remember exactly. In the meeting notes, it was kind of like a summertime? Summertime. Yeah, I thought May. Like, May is in my head for some reason. That's all. Oh, OK. Thank you. All right. And then I don't think I'm seeing her, Tiana, yet. So the Outreach Committee is the next committee, and that's Commissioners Oroje, Belton, and Otto, and the purpose is to elevate the profile of Monroe County Women's Commission programs that support our mission. And the current focus is the web design camp. And is there other updates to provide? I don't see. I just asked Tiana. Yeah. I don't see her on. But we have some other things to discuss that we met on. So last week we met and we have decided that we are going to collect feminine products for women here at the homeless shelters. We're going to get together and we're going to go pass them out. Our goal is to look forward to doing this sometime by the end of, can we say this month or next month? Next month at the very latest at the very latest. So by time we have our meeting next month, we will have a outcome in March of what we collected and how many things we've passed out. Is there what were you thinking of for doing the collection? Just us. Oh, just OK, just the commissioners. Cool. Yeah, see what we can make happen, just personally asking and I love that. Thank you for doing that. I know the web design camp was going to have an end ceremony thing. Were either of you able to participate? I never heard anything about where it was happening or what happened. So we're still, I think Tiana is going to be able to report on that, but I don't, yeah, we don't have that at this point. So that might have to be next meeting to get that update. All right. So then, okay, the next item on the agenda is setting the meeting schedule for 2026. And Susan was going to be taking the, taking the resolution that we had at December's meeting, taking that back to Molly Turner King, who is on this. Maybe this is something that has happened. I don't know. But I don't know the status of the edits that we requested for the resolution. Is it Teresa or somebody send out that resolution member? She had to send it out a couple of times because there were That was a public notice. Oh, that was a public notice. Never mind. Yeah. Yeah, this is the resolution that Molly Turner King wrote for us that's establishing our schedule of meetings for the year. And I also think, like, where? Yeah, where they're happening. If we got that notice, though, did that mean that the resolution did go through because then they're sending it out for this meeting? Or no? I don't know. I mean, we don't have a resolution. We never voted on the resolution and OK'd it. So I think this meeting was potentially scheduled already from last year. But I don't know if Molly Turner-King, are you available to speak about this? I'm kind of calling her. Maybe she's not actually there. Yeah, because it is something that we have to sign, I think. Yes, yeah. Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. All right, so we're not hearing. So that I think is, again, something we're going to have to wait on then until the next meeting, because we don't have an update from Susan on if the edits happened, and we don't have any information any other way from anyone else about it. But the edits we were asking for were to, ensure that if there needed to be any changes that the meeting date doesn't change, but just the location. So we stick with the dates and just make sure that we're not changing those around. OK, so that is there's nothing we can really do with that at this point. I don't quite know what that means for our February meeting, if it's scheduled. booked in this room or not, but if it is, it should be February 19th at 530 in here. So that'll be the next time that we're meeting. And I'll go back over to the document. There we go. OK, we also have year-end wrap-up on this agenda. And I'm not exactly sure what that is going after. I'm looking at December just to see if there's anything from that. Oh, I guess Commissioner Roje and myself have been reappointed. with the from the county council. So we are we are commissioners now through twenty twenty eight. So that's happened. And then it looks like Commissioner Belton and Commissioner Hingle are the are doing. Oh, and Commissioner Otto are all doing reappointments through the board of commissions, board of commissioners. Have you have you heard No. But last time I just got a letter in the mail. But that hasn't happened yet. Haven't gotten my mail today. Not exactly sure. OK. It's interesting. I'm not quite sure what that means. Well, I guess we will find out if that means that we don't actually have a quorum if people haven't been officially reappointed yet. It means that we're not a priority, Julie, is what that means. I mean, that's somewhat OK, but then also not at the same time. Yeah, I mean, yeah. The board of commissioners have had meetings this year already, right? Like that's happened. Yes. They've had meetings. So they had one today. So maybe it's happened and we just don't know, but you haven't received. I got an email. So as soon as it happened. But it would have been done at the county council meeting. They would have been done. Right. But you haven't received the notice that you've been reappointed. So we don't know for sure. OK, well, I guess we'll We'll find out. I mean, we're not voting on anything today, except for the minutes. I think one would assume that you're still in until you're not, right? I don't know. Nobody's removed you. There's end dates, so it makes it confusing. I think when I served before, it wouldn't happen that quickly either. And so I would just assume that you're still in until you know you're not. Is that how that works? OK, all right. Yeah. Fair enough. I'm OK with that. That's my advice. I just like, they put end dates on us, and I'm like, no. Um, for Tiana, she said for the STEM program, she hasn't sent a report to her yet, so she will have something, um, by the next meeting. Oh, great. Okay. Cool. That will be wonderful. Thank you, Tiana. Um, is there any other year ends wrap up? I'm looking at December minutes to see like what it was we were talking about. I think Susan probably just wanted us, maybe, maybe. She was going to compile just a list of things that we accomplished or things that we talked about. It's all a blur to me. I know. It's been a year. I think it would be great, though, if Monroe County was an example to the state because they are trying to do away with a lot of boards and commissions and really, in terms of the law, there's bills as we just talked about prior to going live on the meeting that there is a bill on the table. I can't remember if it was in the Senate or the House to defund and to do away with. several boards and commissions. And I mean, that's how people participate, you know, that's how people are civically engaged. Yeah, so to do that is oligarchish, I will just say. And it would be wonderful if Monroe County, you know, would be an example and uphold that blue dot that we always, we love to claim that we are and, you know, prioritize um, the people's civic engagement. I agree. In particular, the women's commission, because women are under attack and, um, the, the, as we talked about in a previous meeting, the Indiana women's commission, the statewide women's commission, the torchbearer award was not even held. publicly, not even recognized, it was just, you know, behind, in the office type situation. And, you know, just indicative of this administration. Yep. Yeah, I'm interested, potentially one of the subcommittees can take this up in doing some outreach potentially with other women's commissions around the state, whether they're local, if it's a state level, both, that sort of thing. And talking about what's happening with the status of women in the state and potentially bringing that to the board of commissioners here in Monroe County in terms of women's commissions and what we're seeing happen. and bringing that attention to the fact that the state is trying to make these changes, if the board of commissioners can do something to further support our work and the work of other boards and commissions at the county level. I think that could be. That's potentially a new business thing, but yeah, looking at that. All right, so I think we can go into the statewide Women's Commission was an agenda item, but we've been talking about it here. So I think we can head on into new business. And I've got something, but I think, Maria, you also have something for new business that you wanted to bring up. I was just curious about the Women's Commission and the upcoming elections in terms of, supporting and or endorsing and or participating in local election elections in some type of way. Well, we are a nonpartisan commission, which means I think by definition, we can't do any support for any candidate in particular. Regardless of party or or position individually. Yeah, as individuals we can. I'm curious though, so Who's Your Asian American Power, my organization, is nonpartisan. And so I'm curious if we might want to come up with a questionnaire. We have HAP routinely on election years puts out a candidate questionnaire. And you know asking about Asian American you know Asian American issues so we could put out a question create and put out a questionnaire asking about where they stand on women's issues. I like that, and then make that public in some way shape or form or. since we don't have access to social media and such, we could just have a discussion or a report out of who responded, who didn't, what their responses were, and that's a service that we're providing to the women of this community. I love that idea. I mean, yeah, that is interesting. I'm also contemplating, as the Women's Commission, we're here to we're actually, we would be advising the board of commissioners about things. And I'm wondering how we, how that works. I think there's still some, it feels like there's, there should be something that we, some way that we can do this, but like, how does that, yeah. Oh, because we do all candidates. We could just do the commissioners. We could just do Trent and David. I believe are the ones that I know are filed. And so, we could just concentrate on that one seat since they are our governing body. Here's this questionnaire, what say you? Due date, what say you? And then we report out in this meeting. I think that is an interesting idea to consider if that's something that Especially it's, I'm wondering if one of the subcommittees that we've already got could be focusing on that like data subcommittee. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And we don't have to decide tonight. I was just curious. I'm just wondering how it would fit in with our, yeah, with the structure that we've already got. Yeah. And I would want to hear clearly what Susan, since she's the president, what she or a chair or whatever we call. Yeah, I kind of feel like, especially if we do the subcommittee route, we'd want to be making a charge for the whatever for the year kind of thing, right? As a commission for the subcommittees to work on whatever they're going to, I don't know. So that would be a way we could discuss it and vote on it and make it more official for the year, I guess. It could be a way to do it. But yeah, that is interesting. Because we don't have a way to publish whatever. So it's not really something we'd be able to do for the community at large, but for the commissioners in the commissioner arena. That's interesting. You mentioned earlier about the elimination of elections for some positions. And I think I found it. I think it's called, excuse me, House Joint Resolution Number Two, which aims to let counties choose to eliminate elections from many local positions like treasurer, coroner, recorder, replacing them with appointments by a county executive. And so the sponsor is representative, excuse me, Representative Elizabeth Roe Ray. R. O. W. R. A. Y. Republican district 35. So that does she have coauthors? It doesn't list that, but I'm not looking at the bill itself. So this is just kind of a summarization of what the issue is. Are there other other new business items that anyone wants to bring to the table? All right. I think what I was wanting to bring up, and I don't know that we want to do anything with it today because I think we need all of us here to discuss, but the subcommittees that we have and who is serving on which subcommittee, we kind of look at that every at the beginning of the year. So I don't know that since we don't have everyone present, I don't think we want to try and do that today. But I think that's potentially something that we want to take up pretty soon. And hopefully we can with February's meeting just to see if we've got the committees that we still need to do what we want to do, which talking about some of the ideas that we've got, I hope it sounds kind of like we potentially do. And then if anyone is wanting to work on something that they are not currently assigned to as a subcommittee or something, we can shuffle that around if we need to. But I think that's probably not for this meeting. with only a quorum and no one additional present, so. We can do whatever we want. I know. We can assign everybody. It's not something. No, I'm just kidding. All right. Is there any other new business? So I did find the resolution itself. And so it is authored only by Elizabeth Roeway. And so it went to the first reading was referred to Committee on Elections and Apportionment, and then just as was authored by her. And that's all that's listed for the actions. And that was on the fifth of this month. So that's where it's at. And just a reminder, this is a short session. And it is going fast. And they definitely intend. What did we hear? They intend to be done by the end of February, if not before. So they are pushing things. Yeah, they claimed it started early, remember? Yeah. because they came back to the redistricting issue, and so they explained that. But the deadline for bills just passed, for them to be dropped just passed. Also, just be aware also, there's a lot of vehicle bills, which make me very nervous. And I got clarification from Representative Pierce at the last Legal Women Voters legislative update. has nothing to do with vehicles or the BMV or anything like that. It actually, to my understanding, is that it's kind of a placeholder. Those are placeholder bills that if certain things don't get passed or get amended out of other bills, then they could reintroduce them in these vehicle bill placeholders. So we need to be very, very diligent about paying attention to when those vehicle bills, if those vehicle bills get filled. But Senator Yoder did say that it's not very often that all of them are used or even some of them. So they're just kind of placeholders. And I get that this is state stuff, but we know that clearly state trickles down. And did you mention the next League of Women Voters legislative update when that is occurring? I've got it on Saturday, January 31st. Yeah, 31 and 930. From 930 until 11 a.m. So that is a great way for any legislators, all legislators in this area are invited to attend and we generally have at least Senator Yoder and Representative Pierce attending, and they give really, really great updates about what is happening at the state level. And that's, it's pretty fantastic to have that, to have that direct information. You ask questions and answer them. And there's one from each session or each individual part of the legislature, which is the house and the Senate, which is nice. Yeah, it's very nice. Yeah. It's a great way to stay up to date on what's going on. All right. I was just checking to see if Tiana came on. But OK, that's fine. All right. I think we're at the public comment portion of meeting. So I don't know if anyone is online and wants to give public comment. We don't have anyone present in person. I've got a count of 10 in my head. Do you say what they say, the commissioners and council seeing none. All right. Seeing none then I guess we are, we are to the point in the agenda where we adjourn. So we are adjourned and I've got six 16. Love it. Thank you.