I called the meeting to order the commission to serve in an advisor role to assist residents, businesses,
and the government of Monroe County in addressing issues of gender equity. The mission is to advance
the status of women and marginalized genders in all areas of county life. The first item is minutes
from May, but we do not have those. So then we will move on.
to Commissioner updates. I don't know, because if you're actually, because you're proxy, if we proxy
for, I don't know if there's a rule. Just for the record. For the record. So back is sitting in as proxy
for Commissioner Eve Yarrow. Okay, and then so we'll do Commissioner updates.
mission or auto you have any generalized updates not covered I mean business they don't believe so except
to bring to their conversation what was just passed regarding grant funding towards women and that it
might be something we want to look at and I think we have a contact in the small business
It just happened this week. I haven't had time to look at it, but just to get it on the record as it
happened. Because it's discriminatory. Oh, interesting. Wait to hear more about that. Anything else
you would like to share? Commissioner Hinkle.
Thank you. I am happy to be here finally after a couple months Get kicked out I Was online sometime
anyway, no one cares
I wanted to let you know that the ACLU of Indiana is hosting an event on Saturday the 18th from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m.
here on the square to talk about elections, voting. There's going to be information. There's going to
be a sidewalk talk. That's what's being said and potentially food trucks. So I just wanted to let everyone
know about that.
I also wanted to let everyone know that I recently resigned from Hoosier Asian American Power. The reason
being is it's me, not them.
You know, when you break up, it's not you, it's me. Just, you know, the work being done was not in alignment
with the work that I want to do in terms of more intersectional work, more grassroots oriented work.
And, you know, so they still do great work. There's work for everybody to do, you know, in terms of
the state, you know, looking after the state of Indiana for Asian Americans.
Um, interacting with the legislature, et cetera. So I just wanted to update everyone on that. I'm going
to skip you unless you have any updates. I do not have any updates. I do not.
Hello. I don't have any updates real specific to the Women's Commission. The Freedom Schools Steering
Committee is continuing their work. We tabled it Juneteenth and got a lot of really great ideas about
topics, particularly for middle school age, which is the group that we're trying to focus on for a pilot
program this fall. And we're continuing to look into how
what a curriculum for a freedom school program here in Monroe County might look like, and that's continuing
to shape up. Lovely. Councilman Decker, do you have any updates you'd like to share to the commission?
I don't, I don't. Commissioner Madera, do you have any updates you'd like to share with the Women's
Commission?
I know, other than we are working with that wonderful class and it is going swimmingly. Yeah. I believe
so. You'll see the presentation here a little bit. Yes, absolutely. I'm excited for that. Me too. My
update is nothing super important. I mean, I just thought it was very interesting about now dissolving
in the county.
the chapter for Monroe County National Organization of Women. I just thought it was interesting, just
made this work even, I don't know, I mean, they should work alongside each other, but more important
in a lot of ways that now we don't have, you know, that kind of a watch. We get to be that too. So I
don't know, I just thought it was worth noting.
We will go into old and ongoing business. We have the policy committee with commissioners Hardesty,
Douglas and Yaro. We have updates for. We haven't. I don't know that we've actually met for a couple
of a couple of months. Maybe there's been some. I think the last time I have notes is the end of May.
So I'm not sure if we had a meeting as a women's commission and I reported on that, but it's essentially
Um, the, having the discussion about the jail site decision came out of the discussion that we were
having as a policy subcommittee about looking at the gender equity rubric, considering that in terms
of the jail site decision and that sort of thing. And we thought this would be a good, a good discussion
for the women's commission to have in general, not just the subcommittee. So, and I want to
take responsibility for the reason why we haven't met.
take full accountability responsibility for that, because we have a new job, we being me. And so we
never know when clients are going to be unwell and need a little bit more attention. But I have been
thinking about it, that potentially the gender equity rubric might
I'm not sure if it might be useful in the selection of the jail site, but when we get down to maybe
some new policies or new procedures or whatnot that need to happen because of whatever configuration,
I think maybe that might be the time. One thing, though, that I think that we can look at or at least
continue to be aware of is the site.
Because what does that mean then for women? What does that mean who are typically mothers who have potential
partners potentially in the jail? What does that mean for them in terms of the location? What does it
mean for mothers to be in jail in terms of their children or their families?
Um, in terms of the site selection, right? So I think like at this point that that's my opinion in terms
of what we could potentially look at, um, at this point in time. And then I think the gender equity
rubric could be useful for those, the creation or the review of policies and procedures pertaining to
Is it? Yes. Yes. I looked at the rubric and I was like, oh, this isn't going to work for trying to pick
out a site, but we want to be helpful. You know, what about me? Go ahead. I shared an article with you.
There were two school of public health researchers that did an inventory of all Indiana jails and their
if they had policies on the books for prenatal care, postpartum care, birthing, what they said about
their protocols for all of those things. So I sent it through LinkedIn. But I think that would be good
too. The researcher's name is Ricky Camplane.
So I can resend it to you as well. So it was just it was just published and it's really interesting.
So thank you. That'd be a good resource. Is that county jails or is that State Department of Correction
jails? Because there will be two different policies that apply to each of those. I'm not sure if they
did both or if it's just one. I'll send the article. If it's a if it's a Department of Correction
If it looks at state department correction policies, it will be inapplicable to our jail. I think it
was county, because I remember saying 92 county jails. Oh, that would be great. Yeah. Yeah, that would
be wonderful. Yeah. And so for the record, the important record of the Women's Commission, I want to
recognize Kathleen Sobiak as a former commissioner who actually started working on the creation of the
gender equity rubric with Julie and I.
It's good to know people are still sending things through LinkedIn. Thank you. That's the best meeting
I've had all day. Let's go. Oh, it's on LinkedIn. I can do Facebook or email. I haven't read the latest.
lawsuit or any of that stuff does that or even right now how they have move participant you know inmates
out of the jail because of overcrowding and stuff and I don't know even if looking at the lawsuit in
regards to the rubric would be anything worth anything of value in that because I have never read it
so I don't know what it says if it addresses just
what it's addressing, I guess, in general. I mean, you could probably speak more about this, but it's
dealing with overcrowding. And I don't know that it ever discusses anything that's gender-specific,
like issues that women are facing in an overcrowded jail. But that's the problem. Yeah, or marginalized
genders, issues that they're facing in an overcrowded jail. And that's the problem. Is that they're
not? Yeah, because if they're not addressing it and they're
marginalized populations within a marginalized population, then that gap is a problem. Somebody experiencing,
if they're addicted to substances and they're not receiving medication, that's a marginalized population
within your population. So if they're just breaking it down by subgroup,
you know, issues and like acute matters and healthcare matters that that is not in there, I think.
I mean, it matters that it's not in the lawsuit, that it is not, I mean, is there any course of action
to discuss with the ACLU to, I mean, it's too late now, right? I mean, I don't know anything about how
that lawsuit is or, you know, could get amended or, I don't know how that works, but I didn't go to
law school.
like some of us. Thank you for that, Kathleen. I mean, that's pretty spot on in terms of the lack of
information. But anyway. What would you like me to comment on first? Whatever you want. I would like
you to comment on, I mean, have you read the, that seems like a silly question, the recent lawsuit?
Is it generalized as a population as a whole?
Yes, although it's a class action. And so the two members of the class that are representative,
quote unquote, are male. And it's unclear what the court will certify in terms of class. And so that
is a matter for the court. I will say, too, that as to the needs to classify women in prisons,
I would just draw attention to the special needs to classify subpopulations of that, including trans
women. That is an area of special concern, I believe, as well. And so it can actually get quite specific.
And of course, the specialized medical needs, when we sometimes have in our county jails drastically
reduced medical care, in some cases only a nurse available for a few hours each day. So yeah.
And that's not in our jail here. We have a much more robust medical treatment program, but in our county
jails, again, if we're looking at all 92 counties, that's a paucity. Oh, interesting. But I know that
if you read the complaint, which is available online now, I believe it was posted this weekend.
to Bloom Docs, it does not really focus on medical care as an area of provision, or as a claim, necessarily.
Yeah, I didn't see that. I just want to add, I'm not a legal expert, so that was me more as just public
health, so I just want to add that for the record. I was out of my realm to speak to legal matters a
little bit,
Yeah, no, I think you were speaking entirely to public health. OK. Yeah. Yeah. But issues of public
health and I think how you classify often overlap because how you classify prisoners, of course, you
classify to further issues of public health. OK. Anything else from the policy?
committee. Does it like to know our old business anyway? I do. Because Eve Yaro is part of the policy
subcommittee. I do want to extend our condolences to her in the passing of her girlfriend. Yeah. Oh,
not that. Just a couple of days ago. That's why she's been absent quite a bit.
Her girlfriend is not local and so she's trying to work and attend to it was she was diagnosed with
cancer like four four months ago and Just passed away a couple a few days ago. Yeah I am going to
Okay, so for the data subcommittee, if that's, can we move on from that, is I do want to talk about
the project that we've been working on, and we do have a presentation from the class. I just, everybody
that doesn't know, so last, I mean, it's so funny, because it seemed like that was forever ago, and
how fast time comes. You know, the Blue Team Commission for the Status on Women had a report a few years
ago based on this class with Professor Hensel.
And I reached out to the professor last year asking about if they were ever interested in doing a project
for the county. That would be lovely, you know, to have. I do personally like working with students.
I like, you know, also free labor. You know, it's a great exchange of, well, I mean, you know, they're
doing the work. Well, it's not free because they're, anyway. So I've really enjoyed working on the project
with them.
been a great experience. The only, now I'll say that comment, but yeah, I think considering the timeframe,
I think the outcomes will be interesting to see. I have not seen the presentation. It just got to me
about two hours ago. So do you want to say anything about the class? No, I think it's going to be very
interesting too, because we are
you know, sort of doing this using latest technological tools. But only from the perspective of what
data we get, but also how that relates to past data. Yes. Well, I will say, I'll just say that I know
one of the outcomes that they've talked about or one of the limitations was the short turnaround.
I mean, literally, you know, I had a few weeks to collect data. We are keeping the survey open and we'll
continue to promote it and
will work on gathering and adding that data to the existing data already because there's no reason to
shut it down right away since that. So we're going to keep it open. And Professor Henshaw has offered
to assist me or us in any way possible if we need to work on the data. So they recorded a presentation.
And they shared it with me. And then I am going to.
You want to do this for me? Does anybody know how to do this? What are you trying to do? Share that
present. Oh, there it is. Okay. You just had to say the word share and then you can find the button.
Do it for me.
So this is their presentation. We were all watching it for the first time.
How do I get the sound to go through there? Does anybody know? You guys know how I get the sound through
the chair? It should be coming from my computer, but I was giving feedback. Do you need to like hold
the mute button on your microphone while it's doing that so you don't get feedback?
Thank you very much.
added to the meeting so everyone can hear them. What? We have them call into the meeting so everyone
can hear them. I know, I don't know. It's coming through my computer, but it's not picking up.
We would have to give the recording to TSD, I think.
Do we need to try this next meeting? Do you have any thoughts? Upstairs. Do you have a meeting?
You have to join with sound or something like that Share and you click yeah, you have to join indicate
that you want this
Let's just do it next time, like troubleshoot prior and we'll do it next time.
You also stable long term housing. There's also women's and maternal. Luis and myself, Santiago, this
project used service. Mapping and data analysis to identify challenges and resource gaps affecting women
in Monroe County.
Preliminarily, findings are being used to support recommendations for local leaders, while data collection
will continue to be collected through the fall of 2026. So I'll talk about the project framework and
methodology. So overall, the purpose of this project or this capstone was to aid Monroe County commissioners
in creating policy that improves the status, security, and sustainability for women throughout Monroe County.
So, our main questions were, what is the current status of women across our county, Indiana, and to
form a perspective of sustainability, gender-related concerns, and equity given the recent dynamic changes
in climate politics, infrastructure, and funding around the state and specifically the county. So, the
social political climate has been affecting women around the county.
So affordable housing is an issue because there is limited affordable housing, especially affecting
low income women, single mothers and women living in unsafe homes. And there's also domestic violence
and safe housing. Some survivors may be facing limited access to emergency shelter, legal support and
stable long-term housing. There's also women's and maternal health. So there's a lack of access to prenatal
postpartum and reproductive healthcare.
And this remains to be an issue around the state as there's also an abortion ban in the state of Indiana
with limited exceptions, restricting reproductive health care options for women. The population is something
very important around the survey because we targeted the population of any adult that was 18 or older
in the state of Indiana, specifically Monroe County. And the survey focused on experiences, needs and
wellbeing of women as well as families and
gender diverse individuals. There was also open participation from anyone who was a resident of Monroe
County and we had inclusive outreach. The responses were residents across Bloomington as well as rural
areas and unincorporated areas of the Monroe County. The priority populations were LGBTQ plus individuals,
people with disabilities, immigrants, caregivers, veterans, rural residents and lower income households.
and the population size was 139,718. So participants were recruited through community organizations,
social media, email, paper surveys, and QR code scanning rather than random selection. And this approach
increased outreach, but it did limit representativeness and it generalized our findings.
For the sample size, we used a crosshands formula. So based on the county's population, our sample size
was about 384 respondents. Although we have a statistical target, we recruited, although we had a statistical
target, the way we recruited participants is equally important.
Rather than randomly selecting resident, we use convenience sampling to reach as many people as possible
through existing community networks. Oh, this slide before that. Oh, sorry. Yeah, that one. When it
comes to the study design, we use a cross sectional design.
meaning it was non-experimental but also quantitative. The study consisted primarily of questions which
allowed respondents to rate their level of agreement of concern. We also included a free open-ended
question so a participant could share experiences that structured questions might not have captured.
Ultimately, the goal was just to collect data. It wasn't just to collect data, it was also to generate
evidence that we can inform
recommendations for the Monroe County Women's Commission. When it comes to comparison of the GIS analysis
survey and climate action plan, the GIS map helps us to identify where women and all the vulnerable
populations are
concentrated throughout Mineral County. Survey helped explain what those residents are experiencing,
including their challenges related to housing, healthcare, transportation, caregiving responsibilities,
discrimination and disabilities, LBG plus inclusion and extreme weather. The Mineral County action plan
helped us to understand what strategies county has already identified for addressing public health,
transportation and equity.
Looking at these sources together, we gave us a more complete picture other than only looking at one
source. Overall, these tools help support equitable data-driven recommendation to help ensure resources
are directed to the communities that need them.
our primary goal was to develop a survey that was both evidence-based and tailored to the needs of Moro
County. So rather than starting from scratch, we built upon the validated 2022 Bloomington Status of
Women survey and expanded it to better reflect the Moro County Women's Commission's priority. We incorporated
new demographic variables to better understand the experiences of historically
unidentified population, including LGBTQ communities, people with disability, caregivers, immigrants,
population, veterans, and rural residents. We also added new assessment areas such as housing, healthcare,
climate resilience, and civil engagement to provide the commission with more comprehensive data for
future policy and planning decisions. After developing a survey that reflected the commission's priority,
Our next focus was to ensure, was ensuring it reached as many Moro County residents as possible through
a diverse and intentional distribution strategy. So to maximize participation and reduce a diverse,
enrich a diverse cross-sectional, sorry.
Cross section of moral county residents, we implemented a multi channel distribution strategy. We partnered
with community organizations to share the survey through their networks, distributed flyers and libraries
and farmers market and leverage social media.
and personal and professional network to broaden awareness. Throughout the data collection period, we
monitor survey responses in quadrigs and identify population trend and adjust our outreach effort in
real time to improve representation across county. So this slide establishes the demographic baseline
for our initial 37 respondents. First, we see strong community tenure with 70% of respondents.
Living in Monroe County for more than 11 years, 40% have been here for over 2 decades and demographically
87% identify as female and 83% fall between the ages of 25 and 54. Geographically 74% reside within
Bloomington and the remaining 30% are split between rural areas surrounding towns like Ellisville.
Socioeconomically, this is a relatively stable cohort. 45% report household incomes exceeding 100K and
42% are between 50 and 99,000. And additionally, we have captured diverse lived experiences. 24% of
participants identify as neurodivergent, 14% manage a mental health condition and 10% service on paid
caregivers. This profile is crucial as it provides a stark contrast to the daily challenges
and resource gaps we see on the next slide. So this slide details how respondents interact with local
resources and civic systems. First, healthcare shows a clear disparity. So 83% have reliable physical
care access, but that drops to 52% for mental health. For housing, while 64% can personally afford safe
housing, only 7% believe affordable options are generally available countywide.
And additionally, 59% report utility-driven financial distress. Regarding climate, 55% are disrupted
by extreme weather in their daily lives. Finally, civic engagement is low, only 46% know how to participate.
35% believe their voice matters and 28% feel represented by county leadership. Ultimately, these metrics
reveal that even for relatively stable cohort,
critical gaps persist in mental health, countywide housing, and local representation. For limitations,
this slide outlines our core survey limitations to ensure we interpret this data responsibly. First,
capstone resource and timeline constraints compressed our data collection window, which limited overall
outreach. Second, we know geographic and demographic skews with uneven zip code participation and a minor
risk of out of county social media responses. Finally, this is a cross sectional study capturing a snapshot
in time rather than longitudinal trends and acknowledging these limitations doesn't diminish our findings
rather provides a clear roadmap for targeting and expanding our future outreach.
Okay, so now we will be discussing the GIS analysis that we use to support our survey. So the overarching
goal of the GIS analysis was to provide maps location information of women and subpopulations throughout
Monroe County and to provide visual representation of resources and challenges faced by women throughout
Monroe County. And so, next slide please.
So the first couple maps are just general external stakeholder maps, providing general location information
of the county location. And then on the following slide, it details the municipalities located within
Monroe County, just to give external stakeholders an idea of incorporated and unincorporated territory.
So when we discuss locations of resources, that becomes more clear. And if we move on to the next slide,
we take a look at the floodplain map.
Information is provided by the Indiana Department of Natural Resources and it provides an overview of
potential flood hazards that could be faced by populations throughout the county. And then on the next
slide, we take a look at the location of schools and hospitals. Now this data was grouped together because
these are primary service locations. Schools often have multiple functions, hospitals obviously functions
hospitals.
And as can be seen on the map, a majority of these resources are concentrated in Bloomington itself
with relatively few rural locations. So Bloomington and Ellisville, primarily where schools are, hospitals
are almost exclusively in Bloomington. However, if we look on the next slide, this is a location of
all medical care facilities in Monroe County. But again,
they are primarily concentrated within Bloomington itself. So that provides a visual representation
of some of the healthcare challenges faced by women. Now this map, this is the first population distribution
map of a series of population distribution maps. Our project team focused on population distribution
and not population density due to the potential for skewed data throughout census block groups. Block
groups from the US Census Bureau tend to be the most localized version.
data provided at the county level. So darker represents a greater total population of women within that
specific block group of the county. Lighter obviously represents less. So this map represents population
distribution of women over the age of 18. This was to
better map our target population of all adults, but specifically women in Monroe County over the age
of 18 in order to identify and create recommendations for the commissioners based of resources. And
then on the next map, we focus on the population distribution of women over the age of 65, which is
generally the retirement age for most people. So this map would help us map
recommendations for resources for senior citizens, whether that be healthcare facilities, food facilities,
access, whatever it may be, this map helps us get an idea of where those women are in the county. And
this map represents the population distribution of women of color in the county.
So again, mapping the intersectional diversity between women and women of color. And this is broken
down by block group, as can be seen primarily concentrated in a larger municipality in Bloomington,
but also throughout the county. And then on the next map.
This map is from the American Community Survey of the US Census Bureau. It represents the percent of
single parent households throughout Monroe County. As can be seen, there's a pretty good distribution
of the percent of single parent households both in and outside of municipalities. However, it is still
concentrated in that Bloomington area. Then on the next slide.
housing burden households, it is when the overall household income is paying 30% or more on housing
alone. Within Monroe County, the highest percentage is 65% and that is concentrated right in the center
of Bloomington. Now it is important to note that this data may be skewed by students living in Bloomington
because this data does come from the American Community Survey. However, additionally kind of in that Southeast
um, census block, census tract, apologies, um, of the county. Uh, there are, there is a relatively high
percentage of, uh, burdened households. And then we also wanted to take a look at, um, education attainment
as another intersectional analysis. Um, and again, we can, you can kind of see how the data, uh,
lines up, um, housing,
between the comparison of housing burdened households and the households with no high school education.
And the highest in Monroe County identified by the ACS was 15%. So overall, all of these maps help to
identify the specific locations of the survey recommendations that we are going to discuss now.
Thank you. Our recommendations come in our base both on our GIS mapping analysis as well as survey results.
We recommend expanding healthcare and senior citizen and senior services in areas with highest population
of women 65 and older and develop mobile services for rural and flood prone communities, increase adult
education and workforce development opportunities.
Continue the survey collection through fall 2026 to improve participation and make sure that the findings
are more accurate. Advance affordable housing initiatives, including housing assistance and support
programs, strengthening partnership with health care providers, schools, employers, nonprofits, face-based
organizations, and community groups to improve outreach and engagement.
I think conclusions, FA, if you want to go ahead and wrap it up for us. You're muted. The Morrill County
Women's Commission capstone project provides valuable insights into the experiences, needs, and priority
of women, gender diverse individuals, and families across Morrill County. By combining community survey
responses,
From demographic and public data, the project highlights key challenges and opportunities to inform
future policies, programs, and community initiatives. Why these findings represent a snapshot in time?
By providing a strong foundation of ongoing community assessment and planning, continued data collection,
stronger community partnerships, and sustained engagement in residents
With resident, we enable the county women's commission to make evidence based decision that. Advanced
equity improve well being and enhance the quality of life for women, gender diverse individuals and
families throughout more accounting. Thank you.
Considering the turnaround, that's pretty impressed. Will the slides be available separate from this
recording? Yes. Yes, great. I think what it shows them, and I kept stressing to them, especially early
on, that one of my big concerns, obviously, was trying to capture data that
hasn't been captured before, which was the marginalized genders. And obviously, you don't see a lot
of that still in there. And based on the turnaround time, I don't expect it. But I still think that
there would be plenty of work to be done regarding capturing those voices as well. But I mean,
all considering, I think, rise out of breast.
survey in fact still open or yeah it's still gathering okay great we can still share social media xyz
to i will share all that with everybody to push out but we did it because of the timelines and you know
trying to get it posted through you know the county websites and such that has to be there's steps that
we just didn't have time to do get those approved
Are we going to do those steps? Essentially. I mean, yeah, you have to go to the commissioners' meeting
and present to them, and they have to obviously give their approval. And so that is a possibility.
I'm sorry, approval for what? To share the survey out through county communication. Yeah. Yes. I'm part
of the Monroe County Health Equity Council, so I can share there.
Um, and then I also have two MPH students who would probably be, I mean, have you got, I mean, have
you gone to like farmer's market or just like targeting community meetings or like they could be. They
went and did, uh, they went to the farmer's market twice, which.
Most of those students are all online and don't even live here. So I know they traveled to come do that,
which was pretty surprising and impressive. So yes. Yeah. So if you want to help with that, let me know.
But I thought it was interesting. The income levels seemed kind of high for average. And then it said
they felt like they didn't have a voice.
that seemed surprising that you picture people with like higher education level and higher income to
feel like they're more empowered. And then also it showed that they felt stressed by like utility,
I forget, utility costs at that high of income. Imagine what people at lower, I mean, I thought that
was interesting. I agree.
It's amazing how many different meetings I think we all set in that go to what Health Equity Council
is talking about. But all of this looks at and you could literally take every one of these slides and
spend six months on just the things that you saw. I always think about food deserts. You know, one thing
that when the lake went in, which has been significant here since then, but the area of Chapel Hill,
on the southeast side of the county, there is no quick way to that place. I always tease the deputies
about that. I'm like, how quick can we get to Chapel Hill? There's no quick way to Chapel Hill. And
I always think about where are they going grocery shopping? What's health care like? And the interesting
thing about these numbers is because the income levels tended to be a little bit higher, it was still robustly
not much trust in your local representation or efficacy to do anything. And this thing that I have really
noticed a lot that health care issues are cutting across literally every category demographic,
and everybody's having a miserable time. And that for the initial look at that, it's just, yeah, it
reinforces that. What? Go ahead.
I was going to say, if you want a more representative survey, and this piggybacks on the food justice
issue, and I'm not speaking facetiously, ask for permission to put them in family dollars and dollar
generals. If you want to really get at people who have a variety of income levels, because people of
all variety of income levels walk into those stores. Some people go there to grocery shop. Some people
go there to get a bargain.
You know, I know many social scientists who, you know, will stand outside dollar generals if they can
and solicit survey members or just watch who comes in. And you'll see all kinds of cars outside,
you know, from the Mercedes to the Junkers, for lack of a better term. I mean, you could say the same
thing. I mean, yeah, goodwill, same thing, right? You know, like all these places. I mean, you have
just a good cross-section of the community there. Yes. Absolutely.
It's just that the Goodwill actually might place, Goodwill and other consignment shops might actually
post those surveys or post QR codes for individuals to take the surveys. Also, I think that if there's,
and there can be strange rules around this regarding Indiana because of gambling laws and other things,
I forget, are there incentives
for this survey? No. Because that can also increase uptake? No. If the survey really were to like gain
steam and get even more, you know, a significant amount of participants, are they, is his class willing
to re or other one of his classes willing to re
the data, do the data analysis, or would then you need somebody else to do it? Well, Dr. Hedgewell has
volunteered to continue supporting us personally, like as faculty, and I don't know in the future,
you know, as that continued, you know, if there's other opportunities for classes to look at that, but
I'm sure. But he said through fall, keep it open. Okay, that's good.
I find interesting is because I sit on the Monroe Fire Protection District and we just took over services
in Salt Creek and Polk. Is that right? So to the east side of southeast side where you're talking about
of the county. So now they actually have not this with the fire department and that contract. And so
I think looking at that as a way to serve those communities, to build on that. You have a lot of the
fire house out in Indian Creek is where the trustee sits. So they have a lot of those community combined
resources in a shared space. And so I think building on that in a way, I mean, for the government to
be involved, I think
that that's a possibility. I keep thinking about having, you know, a library, a free library or a free
pantry. Like, can I do that, you know, at the fire stations around, you know, the county? You know,
is that something that, you know, we could do because, you know, of the where they're just, you know,
just, you know, in the county. And I don't know, just seems like a great way to an easy target, I guess, for
a way into helping the community, because everybody knows where they are. So yeah. Yeah, I would be
really interested. It seems to me, and they noted it. They noted it. So decent analysis. And you mentioned
they went to farmers markets. They said like 85% were in Bloomington proper, right? And we know the
only, we know that
most of the people that live in Bloomington proper can somewhat afford to do that. So therefore, the
salary situation. But yes, I would love, and yes, good idea, dollar general. There's a dollar general
on every, for my four-pay job, I am a child and family therapist that travels, does home-based therapy.
So to your point,
Commissioner or council person Deckard. All the words. It's fine. OK. Yeah, I'm driving in these places.
I've lived in this county for over 30 years and I'm driving in these places that I have never been,
never even thought of. I'm like, how are people even live in here? Like, what do they do? There's like
zero resort for miles and miles and miles. I'm driving over like 600 miles a week.
But I'm curious about those people, and I was a little concerned. But again, they noted it. You know,
in terms of LinkedIn, I had to point out that they put, that's my fourth LinkedIn joke. You guys have
missed a couple. But I made them to Kathleen quietly.
you know, the online, we don't have internet out there, we don't have phones, we don't even know what
LinkedIn is, and those are the people that I'm really interested in specifically. And I think it would
be, I think this project was fantastic because I remember being a student on this campus and like I
didn't go,
any farther south than Winslow, and I didn't go any farther east, or I didn't even go to West, because
TJ Maxx and that was not even there, right? So I'm just going east. And so I think it's great that the
students, at least electronically and at the farmers market, looked at what this community has going
on in different ways. And I think it would be a very good educational
opportunity for them to see rural, like rural, rural. And we need that. That's the information that
we want. You know, we've been talking about this gathering this information for years in this commission.
And and now that we have kind of, you know, the toolbox or the tools that we could potentially do that,
I think that we could make a really good case for
the educational opportunity, as well as the collection of the actual data. Yes. It is interesting to
me, as someone who at this point feels like they're from the county, but not also from the county, but
now living out in Indian Creek and being involved in the Lions Club and the Community Association and
really getting to know people
that are about as Monroe County as you can possibly get. And I just mean generational families, right?
And I mean, one of the couples that I work with in the Lions Club, I mean, it's his house under, his
childhood home is under Lake Monroe. And having that connection is amazing, right? But capturing that
data and that lives outside of the city,
generations, I think, is important to capture. I just don't always know how to do it. Can you work through
churches? That would be a big one, I think. I think that would be huge in the rural. Well, I even think
about working through the trustees, right? Yeah. Because they're also. So is there a strategy? Do you
have a written strategy? Going forward? Yeah. This is our proposal to implement the survey in phase two.
I do not have a phase two necessarily. We can get one. Oh, yeah, we can get one. I mean, there is definitely
a marketing plan based on what they've done and looking at what the gaps are and moving forward.
But yes, definitely defining phase two would be great. I mean, it's interesting.
and very well needed. I found one on the GIS on the Monroe County website, which is really interesting
to dabble in, but they had, there is a lot of data, granted not targeted towards women or marginalized
genders, but looking at each township based on poverty levels, and looking at the township I live in,
and it's 25%.
you know, and like that's crazy to think about, you know, that there's like not even 6000 people that
live in my township. And, you know, how many of them are and where are they getting care and food? But
it isn't I mean, because there are I mean, you know, there are pantries in various places out in the
I don't know if that's enough. That's not enough. It's definitely not enough. And I'm telling you,
you know, I've worked in, you know, nonprofit and serving underrepresented or different population
subpopulations for most of my life. And my eyes are totally open doing the job that I'm doing. I like
the first couple of weeks, I was like, people just be out here existing.
I don't know what that means. I mean, I know what that means, but people are just out here living. And
I told my kid, well, it doesn't matter. But I think some of us, not directed at anybody in particular,
but I think some of us think they know these statistics, these numbers will show, oh, below 30,000 a
year or something like that. But there are people that are literally
literally living on nothing, like nothing. And they have nothing. They have no transportation. Sometimes
they have water, maybe not, depending on if you can pay the bill. And it's so many people.
It's not just, oh, a few. My one company that I work for has the X amount of caseload, right? But there's
I don't know how many companies like mine that actually exist.
And so there's that, and there's a waiting list. And everybody's overworked, right? And so it's just,
it's very eye-opening. And a lot, women, I mean, I see children and I see mothers. And it is,
hard, hard, hard times that you can't even imagine. I'm pretty sure that that's why. I mean, I don't
know for sure, but we have a community association. It was started long before I moved out there. And
I'm pretty sure that it was some of the more stabilized individuals that was their way to reach out
within our township.
to help people by having events and suppers and all these kind of things. So there are just. How do
I even know about these things? How do I even get to these things? Literally, people are living not
connected to anybody else or anything else. So how would I know that this event was happening? Right.
I mean, that's what I'm talking about. Reaching that population of people. Church, probably.
Sometimes I mean, sometimes am I going to church? No, I'm trying to I'm trying to live. I'm trying to
like stay alive. Yeah, I'm not going to church. I may be praying a lot, but I'm not going to church.
I might go to a food pantry. How am I doing that? Right. Public transportation. But is it out in the
rural and in the count in the rural areas? No, that's getting harder as dollars get cut and
as SB1 was passed and as counties have fewer and fewer dollars to fund that transportation. And women
who own their own businesses are going to be in a harder position because Braun nicks those contracts,
too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's all it's it's declining. It's getting better. Yes. What one
of the things that the health department is in the process of doing is getting a
Mobile health. Mobile health, RV, that can actually go out to locations in the county. And one of the
things I said when they first brought it before council is you're going to have to really go to the
old 90s flyer system slash repetition like the bookmobile. We all see the bookmobile. We know what that
is. We've had decades to figure out the green buses for me.
And like, I, you know, you see it, you respond to that. It'll take time, but it does like the whole
notion of doing that with the County pushes into something that kind of drives me up the wall in the
belief that everything County must happen within this courthouse. And there is so much of the community
that, you know, if somebody's got a busy life, overwhelming problems, it's got to get to them. And I
think that.
that kind of mentality versus it's all here in the night. I think that's how we start to get to some
of these better, better answers than where we're at slowly. Well, I think that that leads into the trust,
right? That of who we are serving them is we have to go to where they are, not expect everybody to come
to where we are. 100%. Can I ask how they get your services?
if we look at how you were found. Because some of these reported that they're living in some sort of
conditions or their children are not, are being neglected or, you know, they're reported to the system.
So they get into the system. Well, I'm curious if, you know, we're at the point now where we have eximatic
community service specialists instead of armed police officers. Is there a step before reporting to
the system?
Yes, there are a thousand million steps before reporting to the system. Be a neighbor like this on my
in my neighborhood, which is a middle, just a flat middle class neighborhood. He was complaining on
our Facebook, asking for a friend who mows this lawn like blah, blah, blah. Like, you know,
and I'm like, you know what? I got on there. I was like, you know what? Why don't you go knock on the
door and see if they're OK?
They were like, they usually keep up with their lawn, so I don't know what's happening. Go knock on
the door. And then she did, and her husband ends up mowing this yard for this elderly lady who mower
broke, grandson got arrested, you know, who was mowing. So be a neighbor. Knock on the door before.
Offer, what do you need? What's happening here before you report to the system?
For sure, for sure. And that's the kind of world that I want to live in. We talk about community care.
Literally, it's community care. It's not hard. More people knock on the door. You good. I see your child's
out in the street. How can I help you? I'm going to report.
I'm gonna call the police or I'm gonna call DCS or I'm gonna, that should never be our first as human
beings. And if we claim to want community care or support community care, then like, let's do that.
Like it just do it. Does that answer your question? Do you want me to go on? No, we gotta be better
neighbors. I mean, I'm out in Alexville where if there's, if somebody lives on my road and they don't
have a car to get out,
It's the same situation. So maybe I need to be a better neighbor and know who people are too. That's,
that's my question. So fantastic. Is that what we start spreading as a women's commission because of
these statistics we've seen and what we're now, you know, like that doesn't have to go on social media.
It can just continue in like our person to person conversations and amongst our local representatives.
It's how we live.
Like, you can say things and say things and say things, but until you're actually doing them and other
people see you doing them, your kids see you doing them, your partner sees you doing them, your neighbor
then will pay it forward at some point in time, you know, I mean, you just do it, right? Oh, see, this
is what I need. I drive by this house every day out where I live. And I think it's an elderly woman
that lives there by herself. I noticed.
Now, I was like, God, it's weird. They're usually on top of the lawn. I mean, I haven't seen anybody
mow their lawn. I watch the light. That package has been insane. I'm like, gosh, I need to stop. Just
stop knocking on her door and make sure she's OK. But I do. I think about it every day for weeks now.
And I'm like, I just need to. Why would I not just stop?
Why not? I mean, because, again, like I could go on, but capitalism, colonialism, being insular, being
only for ourselves, like, yes, stop. Hey, I'm Susan, live down there. Drive by your house every day,
you good? Right. I know. Maybe I just made a new friend, who knows?
here's if you yeah yeah again I could go here's my question about this information is now what now what
do we do I mean obviously the next step is we make phase two plan right what do we do for you and you
and you know how do we how do we make this
I mean, I know that's always been the plan, right, is to make a dashboard, to make it so that we have
some place where we can share information, where they, elected officials, have quick access to information,
a reality check, temperature checks of the community. But I don't, I think that's sometimes where I
get stuck, is how do we, outside of phase two,
what do we do with this information? Do I take this and do we write something up and present it,
submit it? I don't know. That would be probably the first step. When we've got data, if there's more
data that needs to be gathered, if the survey needs to continue to get a larger data set, then getting
that completed and put together so that it's something that can be presented and then deciding if that
is something that is like a dashboard that can be put together so that there's ongoing collection
or ongoing monitoring of something, whether it's the survey. I mean, that GIS-based information that
they were showing was census-based. So updating that as more census data, if more census data happens,
as more census data comes in over time. I mean, I guess that's what I should ask you guys is, I mean,
how is that useful to you? I mean, you were not even a part of this project. What did you glean from that?
presentation. I mean, just general. So that was a healthy data-driven reinforcement of a lot of things
I pick up in every other meeting. And so it tells me that, well, when we were talking about that, we
were really onto it. And it makes me wonder if those numbers aren't actually worse. I always kind of
have that, I wonder if that's even worse. And we're just kind of getting a little bit of that. To me,
I think it goes into some of that I talked to
I was talking to Terry Amsler the other day about some of the health equity council work that for the
county, particularly, we need perhaps to have as we're making decision a health and all rubric that
literally sits there. That's one thing that keeps popping up. So that when we look at something and
say, we're putting, I don't know, let's make something up. We're putting building C here.
location of public transportation. How far is that? How far is this neighborhood from a grocery store?
Little things that we can start doing that I think a lot of folks cobble together, but in the rush of
the immediacy of public service can sometimes get lost until you say, no, we committed to doing something
about some of these numbers being different. And the small steps start with, yeah, there's an issue
here related to food scarcity. There's an issue here related to reinforcing something negative with
air, you know, whatever it is. I think that's the way you start getting because it seems like this all
boils down to health.
health and care for all individuals. But particularly how this is affecting women in the community and
how the women go. So so goes the community. And I just I think that already what you what has been done
with more numbers, I think would be a healthy thing to report out to other elected officials. But for
us to take it and figure out some to do's and to me like that rubric is an immediate like
And I've been talking about that for a little bit because I've heard it for a long time in health equity
council meetings. It all gets lost in the public comment until you start saying, right here, we need
to do this. So what I'm hearing is that we should do a women's health rubric. We love a good rubric, don't we?
I'm not daggers. No, I'm just kidding. Oh, no, she lives around. I won't speak for her. Yeah, I mean,
if that is something to look into, that would be probably working with the Health Equity Council to
figure that out. Like, what would work for women of marginalized gender equity perspective? Yeah,
I mean, and I'm sure, I mean, I don't know tons about the Health Equity Council.
I mean, it is interesting because since I work at the School of Medicine as well, and just this disparity
of how well we're doing in the community is staggering. Staggering on, oh, everything's great. What
are you telling me right now? I mean, it is very, you know, there are conversations that I've had with
certain people that it's like, oh, we just run in very different circles, you know, because this circle,
You know, everything is fine. In the circles and other circles, I'm like, you couldn't be more incorrect.
So it is fascinating, but I just don't know how to get the circles that think everything is fine, because
they're the ones that get to make the decisions and have access to the tools that could actually make
the change. And I just don't know what that is. So would a women's health rubric be helpful in any type of way?
I think I've long said a health rubric period, but it occurs to me the folks that's hitting are the
marginalized members of the community. And so women's health rubric to me checks those boxes. Usually
health and all is going to capture like because to obtain health and wellness as a population, you have
to bring the marginalized like.
that you have to address health inequities to get there. So I think we should partner. I don't think
you need to go on your own. You're welcome to. Some of the stats that we've looked at as a women's commission
have been based on what the Health Equity Council has already put together. Well, next month, we will
have speakers from the LGBTQ plus free health clinic coming
to share with us about what they're doing, because that is a student-run free clinic for everybody.
And they're great students, very passionate about the work that they're doing. And I can't wait for
them to come share with everybody about the services they offer. But again, it's promoting those kind
of things, too, because not everybody knows those kind of services exist, or even
Maybe they don't even know how to get there. If it's one Sunday a month, then maybe they don't have
rights. I don't know. This is stating the obvious. If women don't have health, then nobody's existing.
That's right. Nobody's being born. Instead of crying.
This has been floating kind of among different groups as a discussion point and at different times I
hear different elected officials. I think it's time to like form that up and I don't know I just see a lot of
I hate the word synergy, but I see a lot of it around all the meetings we're having and all the need
seems to come back to that kind of, what is this really? What are we evaluating to move any of that?
Is some of that also like in the sense of like, you know, I'm thinking about this, right, and about
going to healthcare and, you know,
It feels like more people need to be invited into the conversation about, especially the populations
that are being affected. But I don't even know how when you're trying to just survive, how you can even
get beyond that to say, I want to be a part of this so we can help fix the problem. Because they probably
can't, but I don't always like top down
directives and trying to figure out how to find those voices that can help themselves would be great.
Well, you have a mobile unit because people don't always have transportation. You give them a bag of
groceries to come in and have their blood pressure taken and their A1C checked or whatever can be done
very quickly. And then you say, what is it that you need? What would be the most helpful to you right now?
And so you're providing a real need, not a coupon or a gift certificate to somewhere. You're providing
a bag of groceries. You're providing a health service. And then you are asking them, what do you need?
I mean, these things, and I'm not trying to be
aggressive or argumentative, these things are not rocket science. These things aren't hard to think
of. You just have to make it make sense and do it. However, in the state of the world that we live in,
it's figuring out how we find the resources or
to do those things, right? I mean, even if you have, you know, a health, you know, van going around,
right? And where that comes from. And I mean, I just keep thinking about, you know, trustees because
they're the ones out there and they're the ones that know those communities, right? Because they're
the ones coming to those and, you know, future cuts, who knows what's happening with those. And I mean,
you know, to me, the census, the idea is, you know, get the government out of that social services,
right? They don't want
the government to help people. They want people to get help from churches or whatever. That's just my
thought. So there is I mean, it's an uphill battle, I think, in a world where I think resources are
going to get smaller and smaller. There's enough resources in this on this planet for everybody to be
fine, whatever fine means to you.
And so we can find the resources we can. I mean, I understand what you're saying in the world that we
live in, you know, government, state money, federal funding, whatever. And if we wait for that to get
better, for the pendulum to swing,
How many people are we going to lose? How many people are we going to further disenfranchise
or disenfranchise? Right here, sitting here, Indiana Recovery Center has some vans. You could take that.
You could get with Pantry 279 and get some bags of groceries. And I'm sure you could get some.
donations or sponsorships for gas, and you go. Done. But I think the part of it is, I mean, I see in
the community that I live in, generational, right? I think they get to be a protective bunch, right?
So there are some people, I think, when you're talking,
It is mind-blowing to me as someone who grew up with no family nearby just to meet people on my road.
And there are three generations of people that live on my road. They're like three families that all
live on my road. But it gets to be, and this is a generalization that I'm aware, but there is some kind of,
insulation protective thing to that, that you have to crack that too. I never really understood that
whole part of the community until living there and realizing what it is to be a real outsider and be
now trying to be a part of the group and the people, the amazing people that I've gotten to meet that
I never would have got to meet otherwise.
There is work in that way to be done. I mean, it's like going into the Amish. I remember one of the
public health nurses and the years it took her down in Washington County to get into those communities
to start taking care of them. You just can't barge in. You've got to do the work. And you've got to
be invited. And I think- No. No. You're bringing somebody food that needs food.
And I'm sorry, are the people, the three generations that are living on your road, are they in their
own homes? Well, some of them. OK, because I'm seeing there's three generations living in the home,
in one home. Most certainly, yes. But also, when you're trying to survive, if somebody's bringing you
a bag of groceries, you're going to get those groceries because you have no other choice.
That's the level that we're talking here. They don't have any other choice. If somebody's coming down
the road in a van with free groceries, and they want to put a cuff on me, check my blood pressure, OK.
OK. Because they don't have food. And I hear what you're saying. They're very much cultural competency
very much.
Cultural competency covers it, I think, in terms of the protective factors and the generational... I
want to say clans, but I don't know what I mean by that, to be honest. But I hear what you're saying,
and the people that I'm talking about are the people that have no other option if a van's coming down
the road with a bag of food.
or if somebody's knocking on the door with a bag of food, they're gonna take it because they don't have
any. So the work to do is just do it, knock on the door. We've been programmed so much to want to have
all of our ducks in a row before we go.
Yeah, great. But you know what, how, you know, analysis paralysis and decrease the funding and like,
what are we going to do? So we're going to just stew, stew, stew until, you know, gather resources,
gather resources until we have all that we need and then go like, look at the jail. What do we do? Like,
I mean, it could go decades. Right. And so what I'm talking about and this is like kind of, you know,
my mindset now and why
I resigned from HAP because I could not sit through another legislative session. I could not do another
legislative session, right? Because I want to be out there doing, serving people, making a difference
today, not hoping that some white-haired man behind the desk, no offense, Dave, would listen
to my three-minute whatever testimony
and then change his mind all of a sudden. The truth is, it all has to be done, right? There does need
to be those people up there. And there needs to be these, the people, the grassroots people. I mean,
it all does need to be done. But if we're asking about what we can do to make a change, we figure it
out and do it. Right. Well, for me. For me. I was like Jennifer and Tiana last time, just like, yeah,
we just collected supplies and went and handed it out.
That's right. And look here, no umbrella. We just did it. We just wanted to make it happen. And we did
it. Interesting. The two black women that sit on this commission did that. Yeah. And the other person
of color is sitting here saying, we do that. So interesting. And I was like, no, but legislate. No,
that's literally what happened. And no shade on you. That's your culture. That's how you've been.
You know, for me, I'm a sundowner. Like, after three, my brain power just kind of goes up. But that's
been how you've been. What's the word I'm looking for? Pregnant? Conditioned. Conditioned. Yeah. Well,
no. I mean, I'm a doer. I like being a doer. But yeah. But the question is, what is the role of the
Women's Commission? Yeah. Doing things. No, I don't.
Well, the Women's Commission is, I mean, in the advisory sense, is to just keep bringing issues and
working with these two. So that's the business of this group. Yes. Because there's, I mean, your personal
mission, and then there's the business of this group. What you as a group need to do moving forward.
Where do you fit in that? Thank you for bringing that back. And I will take any platform I get.
to say things. So outreach committee. So we don't have any updates. We will be meeting in the next couple
of weeks and hopefully passing out more period products without permission. And then report back next
month. Thank you for doing that. That's lovely. New business.
Do we want to merge the data committee and the policy committee temporarily or permanently? I think
temporarily seems like a good idea to try. I mean, we've got this survey that we're wanting to move
forward for potentially looking at a women's health rubric trying to construct that. And I think the
data committee and policy committee can get more done with us working together on those things.
I don't think that's something we need to vote on, do we? No, no, it's just as long as announces when
this is what we've discussed in that we are. Unless I mean, feel free to object. Fabulous. So we have
the jail site decision gender equity discussion. Do we need to have that discussion or are we covered
that we've had? I mean, we've already been talking about it.
you know, a little bit. So that's I think the only thing that we haven't really discussed is like what
what things have happened. So there was the committee that was meeting without the without the county
commissioners involved to look at options and ended up deciding on their first choice being the renovation
of the current jail along with the Curry building and then a backup choice of the Thompson site.
and just considering the locations that they were considering. There were like five or so that they
were looking at. Those are both well in town and just contemplating site location of the jail and what
the impact is for women in marginalized genders. Access to services, public transit, even public libraries
for help with information and a place to meet.
So people that are in jail, that are women or marginalized genders, or connected to people held in jail,
they're impacted more severely based on where the jail is located in relation to services in the county.
And we're seeing from the, just from the GIS slides, that services are really, are very, very centralized
around the Bloomington area. So I think
those sorts of things, even though it's not the gender equity rubric really helping out, there's still
things like that that can be considered in a gender equity sense for a jail site location. So that's
what I was wanting to try and get across and see if that's helpful for the discussion that is gonna
have to happen and a decision that's gonna have to be made. That was all I had.
Anybody else have any comments about that part? Anything there? Did we want to discuss meeting time
change? Do we need to do that to my two people? I can still commit to 530 once a month for sure.
Yes, no, I will not be able to. I can only attend today because my client canceled. But I am only one
person. And I don't feel like you should change the time just for one person. Is it a situation that
is consistent enough that you would or not,
just that you know it's going to be that way every single month? Or is it like something where you could
say, OK, it's like a proxy would be able to come in sometimes? Is that an option? A proxy twice in a
row, I think. I'm happy to do that. We could try it. I don't know. Like a proxy? Yeah. Well, I mean,
I haven't. I have not heard back.
I'm on vacation. Oh, okay. Nerve. But to answer your question, yes. Like I was saying, my schedule is
past 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. Monday through Friday. So it may not be that there is another time that's a better
option anyway. Yeah.
So do we want to just stick with this time? And then if it turns out that it's not working for you for
the next meeting or an upcoming meeting, see if a proxy is an option and how that goes. Yeah. I mean,
ideally, this case would close at some point. But it's a big one.
You're not seeing that a different time would make things better. A different time would make it more
likely because, I mean, I'm scheduled A to AP. But if somebody is doing great, then I don't have to
spend, you know what I mean? But I can't say when that will be and when that won't be. It would just
make it more likely that I could attend, but it wouldn't guarantee that I could. So to your point, yeah.
Did we say we're gonna keep going for another month or two and see how it plays out? Fabulous. I mean,
I'm happy to do whatever it takes to get us all here. So it wouldn't, nothing would bother me, but in
that regard. Anything else from anyone?
public comment, but I did, and I didn't say thank you to the class of V600, but I do want to say thank
you to them if they ever watch and I will certainly make sure that I will pass that along. I think it
is, I've really enjoyed working with them and I'm crazily pleased with the outcome considering, I mean,
not even considering,
They were tarred real fast. Is Dr. Henschel, is that Diane Henschel? Mm-hmm. Okay, cool. All right.
I actually know who she is. I was like, is that who you're talking about? Okay, yeah. Yes, she is great.
So she'll be, and she's gonna be continuing this, keeping the survey open. Yes. Okay, the person, great.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. Dave, did you have anything you wanted to say?
He's like quit talking about me. I thought he said he had public comment. Oh, when we came in, I think
he said, I don't know. 709. I called this meeting.