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- All right, sorry about that, everybody. Commissioner Madeira has joined us. So we are already on number

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- 11 in our agenda. We approved all those minutes, forwarded the board meeting minutes to the next board

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- meeting, and we're now at resolution 202607 to amend the district's fee resolution. Mr. McClassen.

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- And if he, I'm going to ask if he can't that Joey long be allowed to share screen and audio to help

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- with this. So as you can see in the memo in the packet that we're starting to run into some items that

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- I guess we would not consider traditional household residential items, but, um,

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- but we're getting them out of residences. The first being lithium ion batteries that have a capacity

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- in excess of 300 watt hours. And these are going to be from roof installed solar panels. The batteries

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- for those. I've got generators. Generators. We also currently have

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- to Prius batteries the fire department brought to us after responding to a vehicle accident,

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- which a little, that's not quite falling under, that's a little different scenario, but we get those.

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- And those are substantially more expensive than the button batteries or your standard rechargeable tool

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- battery. And then also,

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- costs are just skyrocketing on damaged and defective batteries fall under just a generic DDR category,

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- damaged, defective and recalled batteries. Is the sound working on there? Can you hear other people?

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- Yeah, I can hear good.

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- And Julia can get into some more of the specifics of cost and stuff. But then the other thing that we're

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- getting into are the spray foam insulation do-it-yourself kits, which are not an aerosol can. And so

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- our vendors consider them a compressed air cylinder. And then because they still have the residue from

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- the insulation in them, which could potentially have some hazardous characteristics

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- Those are awfully expensive on us as well. What's in the fee resolution that's proposed? The only changes

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- are under the household hazardous waste category. I guess there is a corresponding change on the CESQT.

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- Basically for those items,

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- proposing that residents pay the lesser of 50% of the district costs are $500. This kind of gives you

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- an idea of what our cost is on these things. Those previous batteries are going to cost about two grand

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- apiece. Or more. Is there any way to recoup those costs? Because that should be

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- the job of insurance. Well, like I said, the previous batteries are a little bit different scenario.

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- But, you know, well, you know, in our internal discussions and talking about that, I mean, there's still

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- a battery and they will limit of lifespan. So how long is it till somebody decides to change their own

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- battery? You had an engine waste, you can do it. And then they're bringing that battery to us. Yeah.

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- So my question about the previous batteries, if it's a car accident, that cost should be absorbed by

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- an insurance company.

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- because, yeah. And that's something we need to investigate. We don't have the accident report from that

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- particular case. The fire department just showed up with two burnt batteries in a truck. So we took

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- them rather than send them back down the road with them not knowing what to do with them. And a scenario

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- like that is not specifically covered because that's not the resident bringing it to us. And that's

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- a slightly different scenario.

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- you know, insurance company, that's something that we need to investigate in instances where you have,

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- we get something like that out of an auto accident and that's a different scenario. And then the other

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- corresponding change on the CESQG price list is under batteries adding a call for pricing for lithium

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- ions in excess of 300 watt hours. Now, why is

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- on this uh price list it's um over 300 watt hours and in the fee text it's 400 watt hours uh because

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- i didn't make the correction in the fee text joey 300 watt hour yeah 300 watt hours is what they are

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- considering residential grade above that is

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- I'm finding out is more of a commercial grade use. But there's a lot of applications out there. So like

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- your electric scooters and stuff like that may have a 400 watt hour battery. So we will be getting them

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- eventually. And right now it's being very hard to find somebody to take them from us. So like the car

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- batteries, I'm still waiting on a price. I'm still waiting on information on how to package them up safely.

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- and where I can ship them to. And it's just, you know, it's time for everything to catch up to what's

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- out there. Yeah. I will offer one caveat with this that we hopefully will be addressing this again sometime

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- next year. If you'll recall, there was a battery extended producer responsibility legislation that was proposed

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- this last legislative session that unfortunately had great support but got caught up in just in the

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- system of how things get processed and had to go to a second committee in the short session, there wasn't

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- time to do that. But we've been told that that or similar legislation is going to be proposed this next

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- legislative session. Something like that goes through.

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- then there's potentially funding available to help us with the cost of dealing with some of those batteries.

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- But in the meantime, the next bill you see from Argo before the board meeting is going to be eye opening.

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- I have a question. So a lot of these batteries are really big and heavy. Like, do we have the equipment

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- to like if the fire department comes and drops one off,

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- I mean, how big and heavy are these things? They're like a normal car battery. So the reason why the

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- fire department brought those in was they were still, they didn't know how hot they was and if they

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- can catch on fire again. And they didn't have no safe way of storing them, which we have an outbuilding

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- that's designed for that. So that's why we took those. I mean, and that caused us more problems because,

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- you know, when I was working with the vendors that will take them from us, I can't tell them how many

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- watt hours they are.

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- you know, that was the first question is, you know, what size or I don't know because it's melted. So

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- it's causing a lot of different issues, but we will find a way it's, you know, and going back to insurance,

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- there is some cases where we do work with different towing companies when they clean up for X, we build

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- a towing company and the towing company turns it into the insurance. So we have done stuff like that. Gotcha.

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- Thank you. Because I'm thinking there might be a difference between, say, a Prius battery and a Tesla

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- battery. I doubt we take Tesla batteries because they're- Not yet. In the first party, but yes, we have

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- a Forklift, we have a Bobcat, we have Palifant. We have the ability to manage things with- Gotcha. Yeah.

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- As I'm looking at the fee schedule here and you have

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- number five and number six under the letter B. They're the same thing, the same feed. They seem to overlap.

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- It's the same cap, but an undamaged lithium ion battery is going to have a different feed for us than

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- a damaged one. Okay.

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- but it's gonna be the same for the customer, for someone bringing it. Well, they depend on the size

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- of it and what are, I mean, it's capped at 500, but a 500 watt hour lithium ion battery that's not damaged

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- is gonna cost less than one that's damaged. So that 50%. So I mean, there comes a point where, yeah,

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- you're gonna reach that $500 cap that's in there and it's gonna be the same.

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- But depending on the size of the battery and whether or not it's damaged, if it's under 1,000 cost to

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- us and we aren't at that $500, 50 percent, the cost will be different whether it's damaged or not. Damaged

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- batteries are going to cost more to recycle. Got it. It has more to do with

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- safety precautions that have to be taken to transport it. OK. But essentially, no matter what the condition,

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- it's going to be 50% of the district's costs or up to $500. So for the damage defective recalled,

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- is there? A minimum size that we would incur that we are charged for. Joey got a little tiny battery

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- that's defective. Is that yeah, yeah, yeah.

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- Well, I mean, so to put it in perspective, a cell phone batteries, if you take a cell phone battery

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- that's undamaged, it's going to cost us, you know, probably less than 10 bucks. You take it for a damaged

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- ones. I have to buy a five gallon bucket that caught, I would have to look up the price, but I think

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- it's like $300 right now for a five gallon bucket to package damaged lithium ion batteries that I can

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- only put 11 pounds of batteries in.

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- And in that eleven pounds, they got to be packaged a certain way and they cannot touch. So that therefore,

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- depending on the size, I may not be able to get eleven pounds of batteries in there. What do you put

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- between them and the buffer? They have a fire retardant material. It's kind of kind of reminds you of

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- like a vermiculite, but it's not. I mean, vermiculite's kind of reminds you like that. Yeah, OK. So

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- A cell phone battery that's damaged. Do you? If you would be the cost for disposal would be part of

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- that $300 for the bucket. Yeah, we would have to see like we would have to assess the size of the battery,

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- which cell phones not very big. So in weigh it. And you know, we would take that 11 pounds in consideration

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- of what we're paying for the bucket.

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- And we just do the price that way. So. Still an estimate because you don't know how much you're talking

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- about the bucket. You know, and if I'm OK, if you feel that we need to do a little more investigation

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- and. You know. Tweaking on the map on this, I mean, that's we're not. We're not overwhelmed with these

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- things right now. It's it's it's it's not going to.

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- Well, a couple more might bankrupt us, but so there is no minimum size or capacity for the damaged batteries.

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- If it's considered damage, it's a DDR battery and we have to send it out that way. OK. Which means which

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- means it cannot be packaged with undamaged battery. Can you tell by looking that it's damaged every

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- time? Oh, yeah. They're usually swollen or

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- Some of them, we've had a few battery fires come in where people brought them in and they're on fire

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- in their car. We've had a couple of those. So, I mean, it's pretty easy to tell. In their car on fire?

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- Wow. Yeah, we've had a couple where we've had to dump them out in the parking lot and get extinguishers

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- and get them put out. Oh my God. Well, who knew it was so exciting?

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- And it's coming back to that legislation. I mean, and that's part of it that you have. I mean, the better

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- manufacturers, the waste haulers, and in many instances, first responders are pushing. These things

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- are, they're not safe to deal with. I mean, I don't know if you get, there was a couple of weeks ago,

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- there was a semi with 37,000 pounds of lithium ion batteries in Hancock County that caught on fire and

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- shut down the highway both directions. That stuff is super toxic.

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- Yeah, to yeah. OK, so the legislation that was proposed this year and that might come back would make

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- it the responsibility of the. The product with the battery or whoever made the battery or it well, they

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- basically put a big chunk of the financial burden on them. So then so state states that have done this,

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- you know the battery manufacturers put money into a fund and

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- They have set up what they're terming. Joey, do you remember what BSO stands for? Battery Service

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- Organization, something to that effect? Yes, something like that. So those BSOs then manage the fund

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- and create the program within the state to deal with the collection of the lithium ion batteries, damaged

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- and undamaged, and dispersing those funds to the

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- people involved in the collection and transportation of the golf set. Well, hopefully they'll come back.

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- So my other question was, um. Can the district immediately assess how much it's going to cost so that

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- we somebody owns a big battery? How are you going to know what to target? Well, somebody brings in like

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- a cell phone battery. We can weigh it and we know, you know, by the poundage, you know,

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- it's going to fit in with 11 pounds. Now, if somebody brings like an e-bike battery, we have to measure

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- that and try to figure out how many watt hours it is, whether or not it can go in one of our ways of

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- recycling it. And, you know, by measuring it, I may only be able to get two or three e-bike batteries

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- in a five gallon bucket where they don't touch and are safe with packing material around them. So it

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- really is a case by case kind of

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- like you're going to have to handle the battery to determine whether you know what the charges. Yeah,

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- I mean, there's no way of knowing all the batteries out there and the sizes. I mean, there's just like

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- e-bikes by theirself. There's hundreds of different sizes and stuff of e-bike betters in different shapes.

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- It's just as labor intensive. Yeah, it's

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- It's the DDR ones that become tricky. From our vendors for undamaged ones based on dimensions and watt

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- hours, we can put together some pricing lists and know what it's going to be. But the damaged ones get

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- tricky because size dictates how many can go in the bucket, weight dictates how many can go in the bucket,

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- and that's where it gets a little tricky.

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- an old battery that I find in a remote control under the couch or something that has some crusty stuff

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- on it, is that considered? That's an alkaline battery. That the Alliance won't have crusty stuff on

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- it. Yeah. But I will say- That one I can just put in the regular batteries. You can put it in the regular

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- batteries. This is all talking about lithium-ion. Beyond this, that gets into something that we're also

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- having to consider moving forward is we just have

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- to collect batteries at all the sites. And if somebody puts damaged lithium ion batteries in there and

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- they come in contact with each other or other batteries on the right type, we could have a problem.

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- What kind of problem? A fire? Yeah, water intensifies the lithium ion battery. That's why the

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- fire department, you know, I've met with them, done some trainings.

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- they will actually dig a hole and bury the battery because it's better to smother it out versus spraying

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- water on it because it just keeps going and intensifies. Has that ever been a problem that somebody's

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- put Lizzie and I on it? To my knowledge, we have not had an incident at any of our sites except South

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- Walnut. Yeah, yeah.

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- The couple where people's pulled into the parking lot. One was something like, uh, they had a bunch

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- of like watch batteries and some of them can be lithium ion and they was connected and caught on fire.

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- And one was somebody took two nine boat batteries. So they got that, you know, the more rectangle shape

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- and hooked them together and threw them in a cardboard box where they got hot enough where they caught

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- the box on fire.

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- I feel like there's a public service announcement. Can we get a lease on this? I think it would be kind

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- of fun to put two 9-well batteries together. And that's another part of that proposed legislation is

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- education and funding for statewide education.

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- So right now we're paying $200 per five gallon bucket that holds 11 pounds. And I can buy a 55 gallon

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- drum that holds more. We actually save a little bit of money by doing that for the bigger batteries.

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- But again, they only accept up to 300 watt hours. Wait, so the five gallon bucket holds how much? 11 pounds.

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- It's capped at 11 pounds. Yeah. And I'm sorry. What else did you say, John? A 55 gallon drum is $1,550,

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- but I can put 400 pounds capped up to there. But again, I can't touch and I got to be packaged a certain

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- way. And nothing over a 300 watt hour battery.

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- And you said the five gallon bucket costs $500. What was it? And for, for, for batteries that aren't

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- damaged and that's, that's part of what we do. We're not proposing to pass any of that cost on to the

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- residents. Yeah. This is all for the DDR lithium ion batteries. It's not for any damage alkaline. They

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- don't cost us anymore or something like that.

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- damaged nickel cadmium or damaged nickel metal. They don't cost us anymore. It's strictly damaged lithium

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- ion. I mean, it are, you know, just even, even for the undamaged ones, um, our employees that has Matt

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- spending an ordinate amount of time taping batteries. Taping them? That the terminals can't touch. Okay.

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- And shipping. So much fun. Um,

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- So okay so there is a company that takes them and charges us and do we know what happens after that

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- to the batteries? I don't know what happens to damaged ones because again this is all relatively new

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- so I haven't got to see or been to one of the facilities of what they do but the other ones get recycled

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- broken down in commodities

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- So like your alkaline battery, they're going to separate the little metal around it, recycle that, the

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- cardboard, all that stuff they're going to try to reuse or separate everything they can and put it back

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- out. But the DDR batteries, I'm not really for sure. Do we shift these or put them on a truck or who?

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- Yeah, the vendor comes down with the truck.

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- I mean, Joey, if you feel like you can do a good estimate, then I'm OK with this. I think it's still

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- going to be a bargain for people, for the larger ones, the 300. Yeah, the larger ones are the bigger

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- issue because even the cell phone battery that's swollen is still only going to cost a few dollars.

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- It's not going to be an exorbitant amount of money that damaged cell phone batteries. It's small enough.

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- And then that's not necessarily what's hurting us. It's the car batteries, the solar, or I guess the

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- EV car battery. So how many of those have we collected in the last couple months? The car batteries?

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- The ones that are number five would apply, the 400 watt hours.

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- greater. It should be 300, so I need to fix that. Right. 300. I don't know. We've only collected two

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- car batteries that is right now considered DDR. We have considered taking some solar power powered batteries.

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- I think we've taken six of those. So not a whole lot, but lithium ion is like the trend that everything's

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- going to right now. So anything that

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- It's going to be rechargeable. It's going to be that battery. And the more watt hours means the longer

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- charge run time. So they're going to be trying to get as much stuff out there as possible. I mean, even

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- your drill batteries, I've seen them now getting up. They're real close to 300 watt hours, depending

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- on the size. All the new lawn mowers is going to battery operated. That's what I was going to say. I

00:24:32.142 --> 00:24:34.462
- have a lawn mower that uses three.

00:24:34.818 --> 00:24:45.851
- Yeah. Okay. Well. It is what it is. I guess we we put this out there just I mean, obviously it's it's

00:24:45.851 --> 00:24:57.208
- the board's decision. But the costs are getting to the point that particularly not knowing what is going

00:24:57.208 --> 00:25:03.806
- to happen with revenue for 2027, but it's a concern. Mm hmm.

00:25:06.402 --> 00:25:15.008
- I think it's page, yeah, the last, it says page six of six. So it's right after the, it's part of the

00:25:15.008 --> 00:25:23.529
- fee schedule. So it's the last page of the fee schedule stuff. Is that from the- The CESQG universal

00:25:23.529 --> 00:25:32.388
- waste prices? That one. Yeah. What is the CESQG? Commercially Exempt Small Quantity Generator. So that's

00:25:32.388 --> 00:25:35.678
- a commercial entity of business. Yeah.

00:25:36.546 --> 00:25:43.992
- That's right. There, there's, you know, in the DOT and the EPA regulations, you know, depending on the

00:25:43.992 --> 00:25:51.510
- volume of past or this, of what's defined as hazardous material that you generate, you know, you could,

00:25:51.510 --> 00:25:59.028
- if you're below a threshold, you're considered a commercially small quantity generator, and we can deal

00:25:59.028 --> 00:26:03.582
- with those entities without jeopardizing our record exemption.

00:26:06.306 --> 00:26:14.743
- So would their pricing be the same as residential or are we going to charge them the full price of what

00:26:14.743 --> 00:26:23.018
- it costs to displace these? Full price. Full price, okay. Yeah. That's why it just says on there, the

00:26:23.018 --> 00:26:24.478
- call for pricing.

00:26:40.162 --> 00:26:47.609
- And you'll see in there under the paints and flammables, that last one is a foaming aerosol can, and

00:26:47.609 --> 00:26:55.056
- that's like your track seal that's in an aerosol can. The ones that we're trying to address with the

00:26:55.056 --> 00:27:02.577
- change in here, then you go to your home improvement store and get the three to five gallon canister.

00:27:02.577 --> 00:27:08.254
- That's what's considered a compressed cylinder, and we would not take those.

00:27:09.154 --> 00:27:23.175
- from a commercial entity. If you're doing installation as part of your job, you're probably not a CESQG.

00:27:23.175 --> 00:27:38.398
- Right. So if someone brought it in, is that on this list? No, not on the CESQG list. That's in the text under HHW

00:27:38.946 --> 00:27:49.101
- Part B, because we have seen those. Last invoice we got, those were $1,400 apiece. Did you suppose that?

00:27:49.101 --> 00:27:58.965
- Yeah. How big are they? Joey, how big were those foaming insulation canisters? So anywhere from maybe

00:27:58.965 --> 00:28:08.830
- like a football size up to most common is like your helium tank. Have you seen the pink helium tanks?

00:28:09.986 --> 00:28:21.746
- That's what the most that's what the most common is. And you can go buy those at your big box stores.

00:28:21.746 --> 00:28:33.276
- Yeah. It's like a do it yourself kit. It's part A and part B. Yeah. Well, it makes sense to all the

00:28:33.276 --> 00:28:36.158
- logic makes sense to me.

00:28:47.586 --> 00:28:58.442
- So this is gonna go to the board. That's up to you. So in the actual resolution, it says. The last whereas

00:28:58.442 --> 00:29:08.790
- clause. The board was noticed and conducted a public meeting on July 9th. Yes, so so we can't vote on

00:29:08.790 --> 00:29:15.486
- the resolution has to be introduced at one meeting. And then you.

00:29:15.970 --> 00:29:24.650
- I think you only have to wait like two weeks, but you have to do it and you have to introduce it. And

00:29:24.650 --> 00:29:33.331
- then wait at least two weeks and do a public hearing and then you can vote on it. So the last time we

00:29:33.331 --> 00:29:42.097
- introduced it at one meeting at the next meeting, we did the public hearing and then turned around and

00:29:42.097 --> 00:29:44.990
- had to vote on it. All right, so.

00:29:46.914 --> 00:29:56.877
- with bringing this to the full board? Mm-hmm. I am. All righty then. Thanks, Mr. Long. He's not done.

00:29:56.877 --> 00:30:06.645
- Oh, okay. Thanks for this item. Well, here you want some others, probably. Let's see, going back to

00:30:06.645 --> 00:30:14.654
- the agenda, we've got public utility easement. Oh, yeah. From the National Guard.

00:30:15.170 --> 00:30:22.967
- from the National Guard. Yeah. The National Guard. That's what it says. I didn't catch that. It's GERD.

00:30:22.967 --> 00:30:30.764
- GERD, well. Sorry, it's making me laugh. It's been a busy couple of weeks. No judgment. So at any rate,

00:30:30.764 --> 00:30:38.337
- yeah, so I'm on page 29. So people are probably aware the National Guard Recruiting Office next door

00:30:38.337 --> 00:30:42.910
- to us recently went through a pretty substantial renovation.

00:30:43.138 --> 00:30:50.083
- Uh, Joey and I actually got to go in and tour the new building and it was, they completely gutted it.

00:30:50.083 --> 00:30:57.096
- It's all new inside and it's, it's not, it's very nice. Um, but at any rate, uh, so as a part of this,

00:30:57.096 --> 00:31:04.109
- uh, they wanted, want to install four EV charging stations that would be the southeast corner of their

00:31:04.109 --> 00:31:07.582
- lot, which is what abuts against our property. Um,

00:31:07.842 --> 00:31:15.169
- And then right off the parking lot is the concrete pad where a transformer would have to be installed.

00:31:15.169 --> 00:31:22.425
- And so Duke needs to traverse our property to run the electrical lines to the EV charging station. So

00:31:22.425 --> 00:31:29.752
- Duke's saying, until the property owner gives us an easement, we can't do anything. And that's for the

00:31:29.752 --> 00:31:35.870
- property owner. So the armory in Florida, they told us that it's an open parking lot.

00:31:36.034 --> 00:31:43.472
- and they would be metered, but they intend for the charging stations to be open to the general public

00:31:43.472 --> 00:31:51.129
- when not in use by National Guard. They do have, Joey, do you remember, did they say three or four cars,

00:31:51.129 --> 00:31:58.640
- cars they use for recruiting business that are gonna be EV vehicles? I do not, but they said that they

00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:04.766
- was investing and slowly going that way. They was moving to more electric vehicles.

00:32:08.034 --> 00:32:15.862
- And then the one caveat with this one is, if you'll notice, attached to the resolution, the easement

00:32:15.862 --> 00:32:23.691
- documents say draft. I am still waiting for Duke Energy is supposed to be providing the documents to

00:32:23.691 --> 00:32:32.062
- describe the easement that they need to do this. And so if the committee approves moving this to the board,

00:32:32.514 --> 00:32:39.688
- It's still kind of on hold because if I can't get those documents before the board packet goes out Friday,

00:32:39.688 --> 00:32:46.527
- then I'll have to pull this off the agenda. Is this going to impact any trees on our property? Not in

00:32:46.527 --> 00:32:53.433
- that area, no. I'm trying to picture, is this behind the administration building or? It's north of the

00:32:53.433 --> 00:32:57.054
- administration building. Coming off of Walnut Street.

00:33:00.578 --> 00:33:07.587
- It's about 20, it's about 20 foot off their parking lot. So if you look at a National Gardens parking

00:33:07.587 --> 00:33:14.664
- lot, it's about 20 foot and about 10 foot from the road or 15 foot from the road somewhere like there.

00:33:14.664 --> 00:33:21.742
- So it's just a open grass area that we currently mow. So the behind to the north of our administration

00:33:21.742 --> 00:33:28.613
- building, there's the creek that runs that we've kind of let go back to a natural habitat. And this

00:33:28.613 --> 00:33:29.438
- is probably

00:33:29.986 --> 00:33:41.315
- 100 feet north of that. Yeah. And that's all just a grass field right now. And is there actually going

00:33:41.315 --> 00:33:52.534
- to be dirt moved in that area, or is it just access in case they need it? The armory's contractor may

00:33:52.534 --> 00:33:59.134
- have inadvertently installed the conduit already. Oh, oops.

00:33:59.586 --> 00:34:16.181
- Wow. It didn't disturb your operations, I guess. No, and even if they had to trench it all out, it wouldn't

00:34:16.181 --> 00:34:21.406
- impact our operations. Oh, I see.

00:34:31.970 --> 00:34:42.754
- The easement is permanent. It's not just for the construction. The easement will be Duke Energy's easement.

00:34:42.754 --> 00:34:52.739
- It will be a permanent utility easement. How many square feet is it on our property? Off the top of

00:34:52.739 --> 00:34:58.430
- my head, I don't know. Is it running from this walnut to

00:34:59.170 --> 00:35:08.022
- parking lot kind of area. Yeah, you can kind of see on page 33, they'll come off Walnut going due west

00:35:08.022 --> 00:35:16.702
- and then we'll go due north. And it says 15 foot proposed electric one way and 40 foot. The other, I

00:35:16.702 --> 00:35:25.726
- don't know, there's a few different measurements in here, but we can get to square foot. We can, I mean,

00:35:28.418 --> 00:35:40.591
- we can get that square footage. But Joanne, Dan, and I reviewed this with, one was from the Indian National

00:35:40.591 --> 00:35:52.200
- Guard and one was from the feds. So we didn't mess with them too much. What do you mean one was? Well,

00:35:52.200 --> 00:35:58.174
- they had two representatives there to explain to how

00:35:58.338 --> 00:36:06.139
- to explain to us and show us the area, infected area, you know, what it was that was being proposed

00:36:06.139 --> 00:36:14.174
- and what Duke was supposed to be drafting up. And one was from Indian National Guard and the other was

00:36:14.174 --> 00:36:21.585
- from federal, was a federal employee. I don't know exactly how that all fits. But I, you know,

00:36:21.585 --> 00:36:26.110
- and I have, Legal has reviewed all of this and, you know,

00:36:26.914 --> 00:36:35.571
- that are much legal issue there other than what the easement means to our deed. But he didn't see any

00:36:35.571 --> 00:36:44.397
- problems. He and I kind of agreed that it doesn't impact us. There's not really any reason to not grant

00:36:44.397 --> 00:36:53.393
- it. And if the EV stations are going to be available to the general public, then it supports our mission.

00:36:53.393 --> 00:36:55.006
- Yeah, that's true.

00:36:58.114 --> 00:37:06.951
- So are we okay with moving this to the full board provided we have all the legal necessary documents?

00:37:06.951 --> 00:37:15.874
- Yeah, that would be my caveat. Yeah, it sounds like yes. And then if I don't get them to the committee

00:37:15.874 --> 00:37:24.798
- comfortable with. Be making the decision to not put this on the agenda. Yeah. All right, next we have.

00:37:26.370 --> 00:37:37.733
- The community grant program applications. I believe we have $17,000 left. Yes, and I am sorry I forgot

00:37:37.733 --> 00:37:48.764
- to put that in the memo. I crunched those numbers and it is. I did too. All programs do not exhaust

00:37:48.764 --> 00:37:54.942
- exhaust the appropriation. They come to 13,741 dollars.

00:37:55.106 --> 00:38:13.703
- Right. So have committee members had a chance to take a look at these? Any. Things that stand out questions

00:38:13.703 --> 00:38:23.518
- comments. I just and just for information, I would know.

00:38:24.258 --> 00:38:34.093
- that Ellie Spire from Garden Quest and Matthew Austin from our CDC, who also is from Garden Quest, do

00:38:34.093 --> 00:38:44.313
- appear to be on the team's meeting. They have a specific, a grant specific to Garden Quest, and I believe

00:38:44.313 --> 00:38:52.798
- Garden Quest is also a component of the other three grant applications. Yes. So. Great.

00:38:54.402 --> 00:39:09.515
- If we have questions, they are present. The review rubric that the three members of the CAC used. The

00:39:09.515 --> 00:39:23.294
- last item is cash or in-kind matches, but that doesn't have a score. Is that just an FYI or?

00:39:23.426 --> 00:39:31.916
- In the rubric that was generated, and this is the same rubric that we used in January for the first

00:39:31.916 --> 00:39:40.492
- grant award, it was not given a numerical score. It was just noting that either they proposed a cash

00:39:40.492 --> 00:39:49.237
- dollar amount match or contribution or in-kind contribution of labor or something. Then at that point,

00:39:49.237 --> 00:39:51.614
- it's up to the applicant to

00:39:51.746 --> 00:40:00.686
- assign a dollar value to that based on wages or however they want to calculate that. So did they assign

00:40:00.686 --> 00:40:09.626
- a dollar amount? I guess some of them did and some of them didn't. And I would also note for the record

00:40:09.626 --> 00:40:17.534
- for the committee's information that I mentioned, Matt Austin, who's our current CAC chair,

00:40:17.666 --> 00:40:24.902
- is affiliated with Garden Quest. He was in attendance at the CDC meeting where they discussed this,

00:40:24.902 --> 00:40:32.428
- but he did not. He recused himself from the discussion and voting on the grant applications. He recused

00:40:32.428 --> 00:40:39.881
- himself from the discussion as well? Yes. Okay. Yes. Due to Garden Quest's involvement with all of the

00:40:39.881 --> 00:40:40.894
- applications.

00:40:46.370 --> 00:40:52.865
- We don't have like a minimum score that they have to get to get funded. No, we never established anything

00:40:52.865 --> 00:40:55.806
- like that. It's just more of a reference point.

00:41:19.906 --> 00:41:35.033
- This is very minor, just a clarification on when the application from Garden Quest itself refers to

00:41:35.033 --> 00:41:48.798
- Waste Reduction District of Monroe County Fermentation Bucket Systems. Yeah. What is that?

00:41:49.506 --> 00:41:58.133
- Allow to have audio visual, please. I mean, I guess I'm just wondering, are they going to be branded

00:41:58.133 --> 00:42:06.931
- that or is it just referring to? A year or so ago, they came and we didn't have a grant program at the

00:42:06.931 --> 00:42:15.814
- time, but they came with a proposal seeking some funding assistance from the district to do the Wakashi

00:42:15.814 --> 00:42:18.974
- fermentation bucket systems that are

00:42:19.074 --> 00:42:33.959
- district-branded, and that they made available on a trial basis to Grove County residents. I remember.

00:42:33.959 --> 00:42:45.086
- We can see you, Ellie, but we can't hear you. Okay. Hi. Can you hear me now?

00:42:45.410 --> 00:42:55.211
- Yeah, so what Tom said is exactly correct. We applied for funding for 50 buckets. They are non spigoted

00:42:55.211 --> 00:43:04.636
- buckets and they have waste Monroe County Waste Reduction District, the logo saying thank you right

00:43:04.636 --> 00:43:14.814
- on front and center on the buckets. And so what this grant will take these same buckets and convert them to

00:43:15.074 --> 00:43:22.973
- the highest demand bucket in our Try It program, which is with a spigot. So all community members will

00:43:22.973 --> 00:43:30.872
- have the opportunity to try both a non, a bucket without a spigot, and a bucket with a spigot, because

00:43:30.872 --> 00:43:35.166
- we also have 50 non-spigoted buckets from IDEM as well.

00:43:35.618 --> 00:43:43.451
- And we're just saying that there's a wait list now. So yeah, we're just taking the ones that the district

00:43:43.451 --> 00:43:51.136
- already are requesting that the ones that the district already funded, we now convert upgrade by adding

00:43:51.136 --> 00:43:58.969
- in the spigoted parts and the extra, there's additional things. There's a sieve, there's O-rings, there's

00:43:58.969 --> 00:44:03.550
- other things that we have to add to make them spigoted. Okay.

00:44:07.394 --> 00:44:14.865
- we can put yeah and so those they'll still have the waste reduction district logo on them. Honestly

00:44:14.865 --> 00:44:22.561
- the main reason I don't have a whole lot of questions is because I did hear all the presentations last

00:44:22.561 --> 00:44:30.331
- year and I saw what you all did and you know all of these are some form of utilizing your same approach

00:44:30.331 --> 00:44:35.710
- and implementing your program. So I mean that is like my only question.

00:44:35.874 --> 00:44:42.838
- talking about the specific thing. So that's great. And just to let you know, we had our first program

00:44:42.838 --> 00:44:49.870
- of the year and we have one coming this Saturday and we don't have any spigoted buckets to give it to.

00:44:49.870 --> 00:44:56.834
- Basically when people ask, we're going to say you have to go on a wait list. So we see the demand, we

00:44:56.834 --> 00:45:02.910
- see the need to convert. We have lots of non-spigoted ones, but people want to try both.

00:45:07.138 --> 00:45:18.075
- What is the benefit of the spigot? The benefit of the spigot is that you are able to capture the fertilizer

00:45:18.075 --> 00:45:28.809
- out of it. It also makes the force taking after you ferment the food waste, it's an easier way if there's

00:45:28.809 --> 00:45:36.606
- excess liquid to siphon that off whether you're using the fertilizer or not.

00:45:36.706 --> 00:45:44.142
- Um, but a lot of people have gardens or they want to fertilize their yard or this actually, this liquid

00:45:44.142 --> 00:45:51.577
- can be used in septic systems. It can be used to clean out your sinks, your toilets. So a lot of people

00:45:51.577 --> 00:45:58.798
- are going, wow, there's another thing that I can, that another benefit to this, even if I don't have

00:45:58.798 --> 00:46:05.662
- a garden and I want to try it. Um, but then there's extra so said, but then there are some, um,

00:46:05.954 --> 00:46:15.080
- we're seeing sort of like a 90% of people want to, in their households, continue with spigoted buckets,

00:46:15.080 --> 00:46:23.943
- but we do see 10% do not like the spigots and they like the simplicity of the non-spigots. It's just

00:46:23.943 --> 00:46:32.806
- a little, there's a little extra work that you have to do with the non-spigoted buckets to take care

00:46:32.806 --> 00:46:35.614
- of the proportion of liquid to,

00:46:35.778 --> 00:46:42.357
- fermented food waste. Yeah, I guess I don't know why anybody would want one without a spigot. We do

00:46:42.357 --> 00:46:49.002
- have some people. Yeah. Well, it's space. It's less expensive if they're going to go ahead after the

00:46:49.002 --> 00:46:55.844
- Try It program. They're half the price because you don't have all those working parts. So there's also,

00:46:55.844 --> 00:47:02.620
- you know, long time down the road, you have more things to deal with. If you have a kindergartener who

00:47:02.620 --> 00:47:03.870
- knows how to turn,

00:47:04.002 --> 00:47:10.458
- turn the spigot, you may have more messes. Like there's, there's things like that. Um, so some people

00:47:10.458 --> 00:47:16.787
- choose that they don't want the spigot, but yes, in our household, we'd like the spigot at once. So

00:47:16.787 --> 00:47:23.179
- you at Garden Quest, um, let people have them for free for a trial period. And then if they want to,

00:47:23.179 --> 00:47:27.166
- uh, continue, they have to pay for them. Is that how you work?

00:47:27.618 --> 00:47:36.215
- So they the try it program is for four months we found that people develop habits of within four months

00:47:36.215 --> 00:47:41.918
- and they can decide that they like it or they don't four months also

00:47:42.050 --> 00:47:49.871
- is what we find is it takes one to four months to ferment food waste in the ground where it's gone.

00:47:49.871 --> 00:47:58.005
- So they're gonna see the entire cycle. Then after that, they turn the buckets back in and they can say,

00:47:58.005 --> 00:48:06.061
- where do I get these buckets? And there's plenty of vendors out there that sell buckets. We also, they

00:48:06.061 --> 00:48:10.910
- can choose to purchase them as a fundraiser for Garden Quest.

00:48:11.298 --> 00:48:18.369
- So, but they have the options and we tell them even, you know, here's, if you wanna make your own,

00:48:18.369 --> 00:48:25.511
- go for it. So we provide everyone the route that they wanna go, but do they have to buy it from us?

00:48:25.511 --> 00:48:32.797
- No, but a lot of people say, where do we get it? We like how you have created your bucket systems. So

00:48:32.797 --> 00:48:39.582
- let's support local and let's support the organization that's giving us the free educationals.

00:48:40.482 --> 00:48:52.511
- But we, we do offer them, you know, you don't have to get it from us. So I had a question on the wonder

00:48:52.511 --> 00:49:04.078
- lab application because part of it, this is more for Tom, probably than Ellie. Okay. Part of it is,

00:49:04.078 --> 00:49:09.630
- uh, funds for an intern. Um, what 12, 1250. No.

00:49:10.530 --> 00:49:20.322
- $2,500 for an intern or two semesters of an intern to help with a program. Is that an expense we're

00:49:20.322 --> 00:49:30.995
- allowed to cover? I thought when we established the program, there was something about not paying personnel.

00:49:30.995 --> 00:49:39.710
- We didn't have a conversation. I don't remember saying we weren't going to do it though.

00:49:39.842 --> 00:49:54.874
- either what the outcome of the negotiation was. Okay. The only specific thing in here is grant funds

00:49:54.874 --> 00:50:09.310
- may not be used for payment of waste disposal or recycling services, i.e. hauling disposal fees.

00:50:09.922 --> 00:50:20.584
- advertising, installation services, or administrative expenses. What's an administrative expense? Yeah,

00:50:20.584 --> 00:50:31.554
- what's an administrative expense? And then how would we provide money? Because isn't it on a reimbursement

00:50:31.554 --> 00:50:39.038
- basis? How would we provide money for an interchange? Well, I mean, it's

00:50:40.770 --> 00:50:50.761
- For something like that, it's one thing. If the grant is set up for materials and supplies, the preference

00:50:50.761 --> 00:51:00.098
- is that they give us the list of what they need and place it in potential vendors, and then we will

00:51:00.098 --> 00:51:09.342
- go and purchase those using our tax exemption. Otherwise, they get reimbursed minus the sales tax,

00:51:09.570 --> 00:51:23.592
- that we don't pay. An intern is a temporary thing, but we obviously couldn't pay that until we saw a

00:51:23.592 --> 00:51:33.726
- W2, 1099. I mean, we'd have to have proof that the expense was incurred.

00:51:39.266 --> 00:51:48.104
- So like at the end of the year, we would pay for all the wages of that year for that person. I mean,

00:51:48.104 --> 00:51:57.116
- it's the water lab. So I would guess they could float somebody for a few months without reimbursement,

00:51:57.116 --> 00:52:06.478
- but just trying to think through. I mean, yeah, the other degree area is, you know, where does a temporary

00:52:06.478 --> 00:52:07.966
- internship fall?

00:52:08.450 --> 00:52:20.076
- under the term administrative services. I can seek a legal opinion if you want. I can ask Wonder Lab

00:52:20.076 --> 00:52:31.932
- for more information about what is this proposed internship and what would be the duties. I would also

00:52:31.932 --> 00:52:37.342
- question is the intern doing things other than

00:52:38.402 --> 00:52:48.186
- program this grant is supporting. Yeah. Yeah, I would want to understand how many hours a week they're

00:52:48.186 --> 00:52:58.065
- working so that see if it would logically match. Get a legal opinion of how this fits into the criteria

00:52:58.065 --> 00:53:05.854
- of the grant. And then, yeah, and then we need a job description, proposed hours.

00:53:08.162 --> 00:53:31.485
- I can certainly request that from Wonders. Maybe we can ask Ellie if she's still there. I mean, it depends

00:53:31.485 --> 00:53:36.062
- on the organization.

00:53:37.026 --> 00:53:47.325
- I can ask a question. So the idea of what I've discussed with Ella, who's the experience director and

00:53:47.325 --> 00:53:57.624
- who manages right now all the food waste that goes into their worm composting systems is this in turn

00:53:57.624 --> 00:54:00.350
- will now be functioning as

00:54:01.122 --> 00:54:13.707
- their main waste, food waste reduction person. So managing their in-ground worm composting systems,

00:54:13.707 --> 00:54:26.292
- collecting, dealing with everything in the wonder lab to get students to collect the food waste. So

00:54:26.292 --> 00:54:29.438
- I'm not sure in terms of

00:54:29.634 --> 00:54:36.227
- what the the intern will be doing. I'll take that back. I don't know exactly what the intern's going

00:54:36.227 --> 00:54:42.886
- to be doing to help Ella with school groups and camp groups that are going to be going through Wonder

00:54:42.886 --> 00:54:49.479
- Lab. Is she helping with marketing materials. Is she going to be teaching school groups as they come

00:54:49.479 --> 00:54:56.007
- this person as they come through. But what I do know is this person is going to be in charge of all

00:54:56.007 --> 00:54:57.182
- of the food waste

00:54:58.370 --> 00:55:06.475
- once it gets into the buckets and bearing it at both that wonder lab and then being part of the, or

00:55:06.475 --> 00:55:14.662
- being the person who then transports it out to Will Dettmer community gardens and is trained by, um,

00:55:14.662 --> 00:55:22.848
- by myself to bury it at Will Dettmer gardens. And so we, there's a partnership that has, will evolve

00:55:22.848 --> 00:55:25.118
- through this and they will,

00:55:25.954 --> 00:55:35.407
- make sure that it is done appropriately, responsibly, so that Will Dettmer Gardens gets soil. Okay.

00:55:35.407 --> 00:55:45.144
- It also looks like, I guess, page 66 of the packet, you know, in their answer to question A, you know,

00:55:45.144 --> 00:55:55.070
- the $4,500 for Bokashi composting system and accompanying supplies, but then it goes on to say that this

00:55:55.586 --> 00:56:02.666
- will increase the amount of items to be composted, reducing museums overall waste while serving Wonder

00:56:02.666 --> 00:56:09.883
- Labs core pillars. So I get that in a broader context, I think the grant involves more than just Okashi.

00:56:09.883 --> 00:56:17.168
- Yeah. And so, you know, as I said, that if part of it is taking the fermented food waste out to Weldetner

00:56:17.168 --> 00:56:22.942
- to be buried, I mean, I think that still fits into what they proposed in the grant.

00:56:24.994 --> 00:56:31.416
- Yeah, and then I don't want to speak for Ella in terms of everything that they're going to do with all

00:56:31.416 --> 00:56:37.839
- the groups that are coming through. But what I saw them do as school groups were coming in is they all

00:56:37.839 --> 00:56:44.074
- have their lunch bags. They go into some of their meeting rooms. They have recycling trash. And now

00:56:44.074 --> 00:56:50.497
- we'll have food waste set up. And they always train all the teachers and whoever's the parents who are

00:56:50.497 --> 00:56:54.238
- assisting. This is what we do at Wonder Lab with our waste.

00:56:54.498 --> 00:57:00.698
- So how that intern will be involved, I'm not sure in that component. But that's what Ella and I, or

00:57:00.698 --> 00:57:07.146
- that's what Ella sort of showed me. That's in general what we discussed. And it also, the last sentence

00:57:07.146 --> 00:57:13.346
- of the third paragraph on that same page, request funds for an intern to collect food waste for the

00:57:13.346 --> 00:57:20.042
- Wilkoshe buckets and maintain the Vermicost bins. So the Vermicost bins. That's exactly what I highlighted.

00:57:20.042 --> 00:57:23.390
- Yeah, and with the Vermicost bins, that's a separate,

00:57:23.586 --> 00:57:33.234
- process in the Bokashi. It's actually going to be the same thing. So they're converting their vermicomposting

00:57:33.234 --> 00:57:42.092
- bins over into Bokashi bins. So it's the same thing. They're vermicomposting bins with Bokashi being

00:57:42.092 --> 00:57:50.950
- used as the substrate for the worms. OK. Thanks, Ellie. There you go. OK. That gets pretty involved.

00:57:50.950 --> 00:57:53.406
- At least it sounds like it.

00:57:53.602 --> 00:58:02.991
- Yeah, so Tom, if you could check with Wonderlab about how many hours these interns will work and what

00:58:02.991 --> 00:58:12.196
- their rate of pay would be, and then check with legal if we are allowed to reimburse that and help.

00:58:12.196 --> 00:58:21.769
- Yeah, exactly. We can do that. Do you think, would it help if I asked Wonderlab to have somebody attend

00:58:21.769 --> 00:58:23.518
- the board meeting?

00:58:31.010 --> 00:58:38.076
- I mean, I would never tell a grand advocate that they can't attend the board meeting where their application

00:58:38.076 --> 00:58:44.558
- is being considered, but as it stands right now, there's no requirement for them to be present when

00:58:44.558 --> 00:58:51.170
- the application is considered. Let them know and extend the invitation. Yeah, I would let all four of

00:58:51.170 --> 00:58:57.782
- them know, extend an invitation. I don't want to single them out. If the committee agrees to move all

00:58:57.782 --> 00:59:00.894
- four forward to the full board, I can certainly

00:59:01.026 --> 00:59:08.935
- reach out to all the applicants tomorrow and let them know that they will be on the agenda for the board

00:59:08.935 --> 00:59:16.467
- meeting next Thursday that they're welcome to attend and be available to answer any questions. I do

00:59:16.467 --> 00:59:24.150
- have another question about this one that I don't expect anyone here to really have an answer to that

00:59:24.150 --> 00:59:29.950
- maybe we could find out because $500 is for the one and a half hour training

00:59:30.850 --> 00:59:41.622
- And one year of support for wonder lab staff and volunteers. And I just don't know what that really

00:59:41.622 --> 00:59:52.717
- means. I need a year of support. Oh, what page 72 packet? Sure. So, so yeah, I can answer that because

00:59:52.717 --> 00:59:55.518
- we've been doing the, um,

00:59:55.874 --> 01:00:03.174
- that with our triad program and with all of our educational. So that means that after any household

01:00:03.174 --> 01:00:10.767
- or any group goes through the training, we wanna, we're trying to build the confidence for them to know

01:00:10.767 --> 01:00:18.067
- and understand what to do with their food waste. So let's go to Wonder Lab, for example. So they're

01:00:18.067 --> 01:00:24.126
- in the triad program right now. They have two buckets and they sent me pictures of

01:00:24.290 --> 01:00:31.127
- what it looked like after they opened up their bucket and they had concerns about white fuzzy mold.

01:00:31.127 --> 01:00:37.964
- And I said, so they're texting me, so this is the support. They text me, they say, what's going on?

01:00:37.964 --> 01:00:44.801
- I said, don't worry, this white fuzzy mold is actually a beneficial mold. This is actually a visual

01:00:44.801 --> 01:00:48.766
- indicator that you are doing a fantastic job, keep it up.

01:00:48.930 --> 01:00:55.992
- Next thing, well, why do I have oil in my fertilizer? Oh, and I explained that. So this is the kind

01:00:55.992 --> 01:01:03.054
- of support we give if someone wants to bring their bucket to us and we do a pH test because they're

01:01:03.054 --> 01:01:10.116
- concerned that it's not acidic enough, we're gonna pH test their ferment, their fertilizer. So if a

01:01:10.116 --> 01:01:17.531
- part breaks, we're going to help them problem solve or fix it for them. That's the kind of support we're

01:01:17.531 --> 01:01:18.590
- talking about.

01:01:18.978 --> 01:01:27.873
- Mm hmm. Anything else? Um, no. So what you're saying is that they would be paying you a kind

01:01:27.873 --> 01:01:37.917
- of a subscription fee for technical assistance. Yeah. Yeah. And if anything goes wrong with the buckets,

01:01:37.917 --> 01:01:46.238
- yeah, we're, we're taking care of it. Okay. And the training is done by you. Yes. Yes.

01:02:00.706 --> 01:02:13.925
- question. Jody, do you have any concerns or questions? No, just listening in because it's the first

01:02:13.925 --> 01:02:25.822
- time I've been through this process. Well, it's the first time we've been through it too.

01:02:34.498 --> 01:02:47.504
- Do you find it interesting that the parks scored lower than the other ones? I mean, I think there's

01:02:47.504 --> 01:03:00.509
- some variation on how people have gauged the number of participants impacted. So 60 residents or 50

01:03:00.509 --> 01:03:02.590
- Okashi systems.

01:03:03.650 --> 01:03:16.394
- I mean, you could have estimated 150. That's the household of three for each one. I think they were

01:03:16.394 --> 01:03:29.520
- kind of conservative. I don't know if that was one they scored lower transferability. I think, I don't

01:03:29.520 --> 01:03:33.598
- know why they only got a three.

01:03:35.874 --> 01:03:47.601
- Maybe because they've already been doing it. So it's not as innovative because that was one of the scores.

01:03:47.601 --> 01:03:59.000
- But I mean, transferability, maybe city parks and recreation could do. Yeah, I think these are all good

01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:01.630
- applications. I do too.

01:04:05.282 --> 01:04:12.665
- I mean, they certainly helped to support the mission and they're all composting food waste related,

01:04:12.665 --> 01:04:20.344
- which is something that we have previously identified as something that we need to focus more on. Ellie

01:04:20.344 --> 01:04:27.728
- has her hand up. Do you have something to add? Yeah, I just wanted to add that Will Dettmer Gardens

01:04:27.728 --> 01:04:30.238
- has only so far in terms of their

01:04:30.338 --> 01:04:38.375
- Bokashi exploration. They have provided the land for the pits and we have done, we've completed two

01:04:38.375 --> 01:04:46.652
- educationals out there. This would be now engaging. Like if you are a gardener at Will Dettmer gardens

01:04:46.652 --> 01:04:54.770
- with that plot, you get two buckets. If you no longer rent that plot, the buckets stay with that. So

01:04:54.770 --> 01:04:57.502
- this is a whole new level of, um,

01:04:58.594 --> 01:05:07.740
- into making it, this is what Monroe County residents do when they garden at Will Dettmer Gardens. So

01:05:07.740 --> 01:05:17.248
- this is a whole new level. And as well as all these partnerships that are starting to develop. Exciting.

01:05:17.248 --> 01:05:26.846
- Yeah, where Will Dettmer is paying for soil. They are super excited about this concept of, oh, if people,

01:05:27.138 --> 01:05:35.337
- Wonder lab has food waste and they want to get rid of it. And they want to teach all these school groups,

01:05:35.337 --> 01:05:43.458
- but they don't have the place at wonder lab to bury all this. And we'll Detmer is begging for more soil.

01:05:43.458 --> 01:05:51.192
- They'll take wonder labs, food waste. Um, so that, that's, that's the idea of, of all these, um, is

01:05:51.192 --> 01:05:54.750
- taking it to another level, another stop. So,

01:05:56.578 --> 01:06:06.914
- There seems to be a discrepancy in the Monroe County Parks and Rec dollar amount for their requests.

01:06:06.914 --> 01:06:17.353
- So when I look at page 57, their supply list, the total is 49, 22, 33. Is there something to be added

01:06:17.353 --> 01:06:25.438
- to that? Because on their application, they asked for 5,082. So where are you?

01:06:27.170 --> 01:06:41.312
- Do we have to add the five? 52, page 52 of the packet, where they just did the total funds requested,

01:06:41.312 --> 01:06:53.374
- 49, 22, 33. It's page 57 on their supply list. Okay, so now our supplies. It's 49, 22.

01:07:03.106 --> 01:07:18.767
- How is there a discrepancy? Because on their application form they say 5082. Where? Number seven. On

01:07:18.767 --> 01:07:31.326
- their application form. Are you sure? Page 52? I see 49, 22, 33. Say what? 5082.

01:07:32.610 --> 01:07:42.623
- Well, mine, ours have been like, whited out and corrected, it looks like. Look at mine. Look. You see

01:07:42.623 --> 01:07:52.635
- how it's cut? Yeah. You know what I mean? Mine's mine different than yours. I sent the same packet to

01:07:52.635 --> 01:08:01.470
- everybody. What the heck? OK. Are you on the 622 or 6226 ECM packet amended? Mm-hmm. Yes.

01:08:01.666 --> 01:08:12.784
- I am. That is super weird. I don't know how that could happen. Well, you did send an amended packet.

01:08:12.784 --> 01:08:24.121
- All the change on the amended packet was the date on the agenda. It said Wednesday instead of Tuesday.

01:08:24.121 --> 01:08:31.166
- That's so weird. If I click view, is there something show high?

01:08:31.778 --> 01:08:39.808
- Yeah. Okay. Well, nevermind. There's no discrepancy, apparently. That's so strange. That's really bizarre.

01:08:39.808 --> 01:08:47.312
- I'm baffled by that. But yours where it says 4922, it kind of has a dark line under it, like it was

01:08:47.312 --> 01:08:54.892
- maybe... Right, like it's a pretty heavy line, but it's like they typed with underline on, on top of

01:08:54.892 --> 01:08:58.494
- where you already had a blank space underlined.

01:09:07.106 --> 01:09:16.682
- Oh, I trust you. Now I'm typing the wrong amount in here. It's a ghost in the machine. We're all looking

01:09:16.682 --> 01:09:26.531
- at the same thing. Oh, wait a minute. I know why. Because I filtered the comments to just have my comments.

01:09:26.531 --> 01:09:35.742
- What if I turn on this thing? No, I did turn on that thing, didn't I? Now it's showing all comments.

01:09:36.162 --> 01:09:49.128
- Any people make comments? There's some AutoCAD text in the Eastman thing. I don't know. Well.

01:09:49.128 --> 01:10:03.198
- There it is. Okay. What? I did. There was also, okay, it was a comment. It was a correction on a PDF.

01:10:04.098 --> 01:10:11.091
- that I had turned off because I only wanted to see my comments. Okay. Sorry about that. So it is. I'm

01:10:11.091 --> 01:10:18.085
- glad there was an explanation. Okay. I'm glad I'm not just going nuts. They corrected it though. They

01:10:18.085 --> 01:10:25.215
- corrected it. Okay. That's bizarre. Right. And, and the, the comments are by blank. Like it's, it says,

01:10:25.215 --> 01:10:32.620
- you know, you can filter the comments and I'm just blank. Okay. Wild. All right. Okay. So that's a question

01:10:32.620 --> 01:10:33.374
- for Jacob.

01:10:33.634 --> 01:10:47.153
- She's the one that did it. OK. All right. So are we OK forwarding these to the full board? And Tom will

01:10:47.153 --> 01:11:00.672
- ask more questions for Wonderlife. Yes. Very good. Well, then we can move on to appointment to the CAC.

01:11:00.672 --> 01:11:02.622
- So that's all.

01:11:03.106 --> 01:11:11.838
- Allison Sears, who's an employee of Rumpke Waste and Recycling, submitted a request through our website

01:11:11.838 --> 01:11:20.570
- to be on the CAC, as you can see in the memo. That would bring the total number of members to six, with

01:11:20.570 --> 01:11:28.126
- three being representatives from the industry, which is the max under state statute, 50%.

01:11:33.186 --> 01:11:44.004
- Runky has a representative already. That would give Runky two representatives. Two from Runky, and what

01:11:44.004 --> 01:11:54.405
- are the other two representing? The other one. The other one, sorry. It's Joe Sears from the public

01:11:54.405 --> 01:12:01.374
- service. But we'd have two Sears, two members of the Sears family.

01:12:03.106 --> 01:12:20.980
- Yes, I believe Allison has children with daughter-in-law. We need some female representation on that.

01:12:20.980 --> 01:12:29.566
- I have one. I have a cousin who works at CBU and

01:12:31.362 --> 01:12:40.664
- We were at a family function recently, and so now it all came up. And she, what can I be on? I say,

01:12:40.664 --> 01:12:50.804
- well, sure. So I am waiting for her letter of interest that she has, except she intends to seek application,

01:12:50.804 --> 01:13:00.478
- or to seek appointment to the CHC. Right. Well, that's great. Are we OK forwarding this? Allison Sears.

01:13:00.674 --> 01:13:15.658
- to the floor. Then I think we are down to the catch all of all other items teams itself. I might have

01:13:15.658 --> 01:13:27.998
- some items. Are they appropriate on your perspective? So I think it was last month.

01:13:28.194 --> 01:13:35.836
- We were talking about the situation with the compact releases. Oh, great. And, you know, if we're looking

01:13:35.836 --> 01:13:43.333
- at renewing with the current vendor or there was some question about was there a need under the statute

01:13:43.333 --> 01:13:50.831
- to go out for bid because it was an equipment lease or, you know, did it fall as a service? But anyway,

01:13:50.831 --> 01:13:56.670
- one of the things staff was asked to look at pricing out purchasing the compact.

01:13:57.442 --> 01:14:06.160
- So we did get a quote from the MAC Corporation, which the MAC 400 four yard stationary compactor, which

01:14:06.160 --> 01:14:15.130
- is everybody we've talked to, that's the unit we want, that's the comparable, the newer version comparable

01:14:15.130 --> 01:14:23.681
- to what we had. So we got a quote with the unit itself, and then a list of the options, which Zoe and

01:14:23.681 --> 01:14:25.022
- I went through,

01:14:25.858 --> 01:14:35.324
- to the best we could to say, yep, we got this, we got this, we got this, we want this, which would be

01:14:35.324 --> 01:14:44.791
- a block here to keep the hydraulic flow from increasing in the winter, which would be a big help. And

01:14:44.791 --> 01:14:54.536
- we're looking at $29,775 per compactor. $29,000, what? $775 per compactor. And we have 13? 15. $446,625.

01:14:54.536 --> 01:14:55.742
- You said 15?

01:14:56.226 --> 01:15:04.897
- We have 15. And that does not include installation, delivery, any potential electric work that might

01:15:04.897 --> 01:15:13.483
- need to be done. Does it have to come with some sort of service contract, or is that something that

01:15:13.483 --> 01:15:22.412
- we would be able to? That would cost extra. I'm sure that's available. Is that something we would need,

01:15:22.412 --> 01:15:23.614
- or do we have

01:15:24.354 --> 01:15:38.896
- We don't have our own mechanics. We can't wiggle his nose and make it all better. The one thing that

01:15:38.896 --> 01:15:53.726
- we didn't get as a part of the quote would be, I assume there's some sort of warranty with the things.

01:15:53.986 --> 01:16:06.048
- one year or something, but we did not get that information. What's the lifespan in one of those? In

01:16:06.048 --> 01:16:18.954
- going through all of this and talking with vendors that sell and lease these things, the industry standard

01:16:18.954 --> 01:16:22.814
- on them is five to seven years.

01:16:23.138 --> 01:16:30.131
- And but that's not necessarily a lifespan. You know, with the comeback that we're running right now,

01:16:30.131 --> 01:16:37.055
- we're 20 years old. What? Yeah. 20 compared to five to seven. Well, that's the industry standard is

01:16:37.055 --> 01:16:44.186
- five to seven is when the maintenance costs start to become, I guess, get to the point that you should

01:16:44.186 --> 01:16:51.248
- consider replacing the equipment. That's not to say that some don't last 10 to 15 years or some don't

01:16:51.248 --> 01:16:52.702
- only last two years.

01:16:53.090 --> 01:17:01.786
- A lot of it depends on the environment there and what materials you're dealing with. I think Joey talked

01:17:01.786 --> 01:17:10.483
- about some of that last time. But trash can have anything and everything in it that can impact the metal

01:17:10.483 --> 01:17:19.014
- and cause corrosion and stuff like that. But we didn't get that number as requested. And yet the other

01:17:19.014 --> 01:17:22.078
- thing that we don't have, obviously,

01:17:23.106 --> 01:17:31.882
- Nobody's going to have 15 of these things sitting on the lock that they can deliver tomorrow. And we

01:17:31.882 --> 01:17:40.919
- also don't have $460,000 that we're going to donate to that. Yeah. Snap your fingers. That's not what's

01:17:40.919 --> 01:17:47.870
- available today. Bippity boppity boo. But we got that information before we do.

01:17:48.738 --> 01:17:57.487
- And then I'm looking at the packet from our last meeting. What was the cost of the leases? So I was

01:17:57.487 --> 01:18:06.323
- just trying to find. Well, what we're currently paying, because the leases are all over the place as

01:18:06.323 --> 01:18:15.422
- far as when they started, one compact or two compactors. But I think that we're 300, 350 is the lowest.

01:18:15.522 --> 01:18:24.092
- 475 or so is the highest per month. Yeah, I believe so. I want to say it's like 450 is the highest one

01:18:24.092 --> 01:18:32.829
- that we're paying right now. But whether, you know, if we renew with the existing company, they're going

01:18:32.829 --> 01:18:40.318
- to they want to update these things because their guys are down here too much working on.

01:18:40.610 --> 01:18:52.073
- So it's going to go out. If we go out for bid, whoever bids on it is going to offer newer, better equipment

01:18:52.073 --> 01:19:02.898
- than what we currently have. It's going to cost more. So let's even say that it was $1,000 per month.

01:19:02.898 --> 01:19:09.054
- It's still $12,000 per year. For what? For one. Times 15.

01:19:09.794 --> 01:19:18.672
- Is any of these leases offer, maybe even a little closely, do they offer a guarantee that your equipment

01:19:18.672 --> 01:19:27.550
- isn't going to be over 10 years old? I mean, I would just hope that if I'm paying per month. No, because

01:19:27.550 --> 01:19:35.582
- you're going to get an agreement in place that's not going to extend beyond what they think is

01:19:35.874 --> 01:19:44.416
- the serviceable lifespan of that equipment. If they say in five years, it's going to need to be replaced

01:19:44.416 --> 01:19:52.552
- or upgraded, they're not going to do a service agreement longer than five years. How are we in this

01:19:52.552 --> 01:20:01.176
- position of 20-year-old things that release it? Because we turned into this agreement with a local vendor

01:20:01.176 --> 01:20:05.406
- out of ND. I mean, they're Mac pieces of equipment,

01:20:05.730 --> 01:20:13.177
- It was when we entered into these agreements with them, they were not a part of them. National corporation.

01:20:13.177 --> 01:20:20.073
- What did they like stagger their placement? So like. We don't do all of them at once, but we. Yeah,

01:20:20.073 --> 01:20:26.968
- if we purchased. I mean, even their legs. Well, either. Yeah, either way that's you're doing one or

01:20:26.968 --> 01:20:34.622
- two at a time. I mean, because that's these things have to be built. What's the lead time on them? Do we know?

01:20:35.874 --> 01:20:41.979
- I do not. I do know there's a few on hand, but say to have one built, I don't know what the lead time

01:20:41.979 --> 01:20:48.204
- is, but ideally, you know, we would try to schedule it on days when we're shut down. So like, you know,

01:20:48.204 --> 01:20:54.250
- if we can get one switched out on a Thursday when the sites are closed is how we would attempt to do

01:20:54.250 --> 01:21:00.475
- this. So it would take us a little bit of time to switch them out. And the other aspect of that is that

01:21:00.475 --> 01:21:04.126
- if we, if we buy or we, or we lease with a different vendor,

01:21:04.930 --> 01:21:13.173
- You know, we also have to deal with terminating the existing leases that all have the same termination

01:21:13.173 --> 01:21:21.657
- terms in them, but staggered dates. I mean, you got to do the 90, you know, the 90-day or 180-day notice.

01:21:21.657 --> 01:21:29.900
- You know, but we got to do one now for the ones that expire in September, and then in a couple months,

01:21:29.900 --> 01:21:34.142
- do another one for the ones that expire in November.

01:21:34.434 --> 01:21:42.311
- You know, if we renew with the current vendor, some of that becomes a lot easier because they're going

01:21:42.311 --> 01:21:50.036
- to be more amenable to working with us on entering into the new leases. And you know, they'll let us

01:21:50.036 --> 01:21:57.684
- terminate an existing lease without notice if they have the unit ready and they're ready to replace

01:21:57.684 --> 01:22:04.414
- it today. If we're purchasing our own or going with a competing vendor, then we have to

01:22:05.026 --> 01:22:14.836
- schedule the installs and make sure we have notes of when we need to issue a termination of this. It's

01:22:14.836 --> 01:22:24.456
- all doable. And I don't think any of that means that if there's an opportunity to get a better deal,

01:22:24.456 --> 01:22:33.790
- that we shouldn't pursue that opportunity to get a better deal. And I would say we are, you know,

01:22:33.890 --> 01:22:44.538
- I think regardless of who, if we're gonna lease, regardless of who we're leasing from, we're probably

01:22:44.538 --> 01:22:54.038
- into five to $600 per month range per unit. Is that all? No, that's better than I thought.

01:22:54.038 --> 01:23:02.494
- And the recollection I have from last time is there's like three that need to be

01:23:03.522 --> 01:23:13.614
- replaced pretty quickly. We're currently having one breakdown every so often. We have one I have been

01:23:13.614 --> 01:23:23.805
- told is somewhere in the neighborhood 30 to 50 years old from their mechanic and it's there's only two

01:23:23.805 --> 01:23:28.158
- of them known in existence and we have one.

01:23:28.546 --> 01:23:36.992
- So I just want to, there's a combination that can be done where over time we purchase one or two per

01:23:36.992 --> 01:23:45.521
- year to get to that longer term. You know, so if we did, and I don't know what financially we're just

01:23:45.521 --> 01:23:53.966
- sending money aside for a second, but if you did two per year, then you'd have like maybe a seven or

01:23:53.966 --> 01:23:55.806
- eight year, you know,

01:23:56.354 --> 01:24:04.007
- or even 10-year kind of replacement. If you're telling me that they might last that long, you could

01:24:04.007 --> 01:24:11.812
- get into that sort of thing where you're replacing two per year forever. So every seven, eight years,

01:24:11.812 --> 01:24:19.694
- everything's being updated. Right. Right. And then you're kind of budgeting it, plan for it, obviously

01:24:19.694 --> 01:24:26.046
- costs change. But in the meantime, the ones that you still would have to be having

01:24:26.210 --> 01:24:35.838
- them replay, you know, new ones put on lease until we fill it out, but fewer and fewer on lease.

01:24:35.838 --> 01:24:45.963
- I don't know. I think there's probably an analysis that could be done, but not right here in my head.

01:24:45.963 --> 01:24:51.422
- And I, you know, I think it's, um, so if we're saying,

01:24:52.546 --> 01:25:00.428
- We need to know the cost of a maintenance agreement. Well, and that's part of it. I mean, with under

01:25:00.428 --> 01:25:08.543
- under a lease, some maintenance is included, but not all, but not all me. I mean, yeah, I mean, they're

01:25:08.543 --> 01:25:16.425
- obviously far operator gets mad and slams the button real hard for any exceptional, you know, but as

01:25:16.425 --> 01:25:19.390
- far as coming down and inspecting it,

01:25:20.514 --> 01:25:31.545
- you know, topping off the hydraulic things like that are going to be included. So the math I just did

01:25:31.545 --> 01:25:42.468
- was $600 per unit times 15 units times 12 months is $108,000 per year times seven year lifespan gets

01:25:42.468 --> 01:25:49.822
- us to $756,000 for the lease or lifespan of all of our contractors.

01:25:52.194 --> 01:26:01.100
- Whereas if we purchase for 30K each, 15 units, $450,000, but that doesn't include maintenance. Right.

01:26:01.100 --> 01:26:10.093
- So I just question from a little different perspective. Yeah. If we say 600 per month for a unit times

01:26:10.093 --> 01:26:18.999
- 12 months times five years, that's $36,000, at least that unit per five years. And that would include

01:26:18.999 --> 01:26:21.182
- a lot of the maintenance

01:26:22.530 --> 01:26:36.978
- as opposed to spending $30,000 for that unit for that same five-year period. So you calculate $36,000

01:26:36.978 --> 01:26:51.710
- for one unit for five years? Yeah. So can we get a vote for the maintenance cost, maintenance contract,

01:26:52.994 --> 01:27:01.535
- I'm sure I can reach out to Mac and say, you know, if we send them what we have put together here, what

01:27:01.535 --> 01:27:09.747
- would the maintenance be per year on it? And again, you know, that wouldn't cover the parts and all

01:27:09.747 --> 01:27:18.206
- that, but we can get a general idea of what maintenance would be per hour, I'm sure. Which would yeah.

01:27:18.914 --> 01:27:24.099
- Well, the technician's going to come down. It's going to cost you $75 an hour for that technician to

01:27:24.099 --> 01:27:29.490
- come and do that. So that's not included in the maintenance agreement? Well, that's what would be quoted

01:27:29.490 --> 01:27:34.727
- in the maintenance agreement. And then on top of that, you're going to, well, we need a new hydraulic

01:27:34.727 --> 01:27:40.015
- hose. That's another $125. That doesn't even seem like a maintenance agreement. That doesn't seem like

01:27:40.015 --> 01:27:45.406
- a maintenance agreement. That seems like it's calling the standards appliances and having them come out.

01:27:46.146 --> 01:27:53.791
- You want a maintenance agreement that you can ask. I don't know if they're going to be part of that.

01:27:53.791 --> 01:28:01.436
- I don't know. What kind of maintenance agreement we have now, I'd like to get a quote on that for if

01:28:01.436 --> 01:28:09.233
- we purchased. I guess the only thing that might be different is if it locks us into a certain rate for

01:28:09.233 --> 01:28:14.910
- a certain period of time. If it's no other benefit, but it holds the rate,

01:28:15.234 --> 01:28:22.252
- the hourly rates steady for three years or whatever. Yeah. You understand what they're asking for?

01:28:22.252 --> 01:28:29.341
- I think so. And I could do that and I could see, you know, like what the warranty says and what the

01:28:29.341 --> 01:28:36.642
- extended warranty would be and what it would cover. Yes. We don't know that information right now. And

01:28:36.642 --> 01:28:43.518
- if we lease, we don't really get the benefit of warranty, right? Cause that would see with them.

01:28:44.354 --> 01:28:50.521
- One of the vendors I talked to has told us that they would do general maintenance like every three or

01:28:50.521 --> 01:28:56.446
- four months, which we currently don't have. And they have somebody local that is here that could,

01:28:56.446 --> 01:29:02.492
- you know, within an hour or two be working on the machines. So that was something else I would have

01:29:02.492 --> 01:29:09.081
- to look at is how far, you know, out of Indy, what, you know, Mac, who they use to maintenance the machines,

01:29:09.081 --> 01:29:13.374
- you know, how long would it take to get somebody here to work on them?

01:29:13.954 --> 01:29:29.021
- Because I don't. Yeah, yeah. How urgent is this like? It's not a one break. So are we? Joey, are we

01:29:29.021 --> 01:29:38.814
- saying that one breaks like once a month, once every two months?

01:29:39.010 --> 01:29:46.076
- We have small issues probably once every six or eight weeks. You know, nothing major. The one that we're

01:29:46.076 --> 01:29:53.143
- worried about is the really old one that, you know, I've been told is somewhere between 30 and 50 years.

01:29:53.143 --> 01:30:00.008
- You know, I've tried to get them to give me a price to replace it. And, you know, they're like, well,

01:30:00.008 --> 01:30:04.382
- you're under contract with this machine. I don't know, you know,

01:30:04.930 --> 01:30:11.934
- A couple of years ago I was with this same compactor and it went down and it was down for four or five

01:30:11.934 --> 01:30:19.142
- months because they had to rebuild rams and cylinders because they didn't have no parts for it. So that's

01:30:19.142 --> 01:30:25.942
- where we're at is eventually they don't make parts for this machine no more. So everything's got to

01:30:25.942 --> 01:30:33.694
- be rebuilt. It's like a bad deal to be paying to leave something that's so old. That's the $300 a month one. Yep.

01:30:35.394 --> 01:30:41.504
- Can we go forward with getting rid of that lease, at least? Or should, that thing should be,

01:30:41.504 --> 01:30:48.599
- should we? Yeah, should we? So that's, that's, that's a standalone lease with a different company. Wouldn't

01:30:48.599 --> 01:30:54.775
- we have leased it to pay for it by now? Like, isn't there a leased loan program or something?

01:30:54.775 --> 01:31:01.476
- You're right. I mean, yeah, because the department is using five years. But if we're keeping them for

01:31:01.476 --> 01:31:04.958
- so much longer. Well, that should have been based on

01:31:05.122 --> 01:31:12.245
- you know, that the vendors were talking to saying every five to seven years, they need to be updated.

01:31:12.245 --> 01:31:19.297
- Well, every five to seven years, is this lease going to then automatically get us a brand new thing?

01:31:19.297 --> 01:31:26.490
- Not at the same rate. I mean, we could build that into the lease, but I doubt anybody's going to agree

01:31:26.490 --> 01:31:33.054
- to give us the newest, most updated equipment at the same rate. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I wouldn't.

01:31:33.154 --> 01:31:42.250
- Necessarily. And with regard to the one, I mean, yeah, because it's under a different agreement with

01:31:42.250 --> 01:31:51.346
- a different company, there's other options there. But if we're going to lease, I would prefer to get

01:31:51.346 --> 01:31:57.470
- all 15 of them under one agreement. 15. Five sides, three per side.

01:32:03.458 --> 01:32:12.970
- Well, so if we could get that information about maintenance agreement, we could maybe make a decision

01:32:12.970 --> 01:32:22.015
- next month. I don't know. Do you feel strongly that we should do this? Are you leaning strongly,

01:32:22.015 --> 01:32:29.662
- both of you, one way or the other, lease or own? I think I would prefer to lease.

01:32:30.146 --> 01:32:36.997
- takes a little bit of the responsibility off us for service and maintenance. But if we buy something

01:32:36.997 --> 01:32:44.051
- and there's a viable service agreement option out there, then that alleviates some of that need. What's

01:32:44.051 --> 01:32:51.038
- the cost of that? And you've got to build that into this half-million-dollar figure we got right here.

01:32:57.986 --> 01:33:10.117
- What did the legal counsel say about whether we have to put a request for proposals out there for the

01:33:10.117 --> 01:33:22.843
- lease? It's been a few weeks. His response was asking him about making the argument that this is a service

01:33:22.843 --> 01:33:27.838
- contract because maintenance is included.

01:33:28.834 --> 01:33:38.066
- He said something to the effect that the district could make that argument. Would he back us? Well,

01:33:38.066 --> 01:33:47.298
- yeah. He would make that argument on our behalf if it came to that. I think in last month's packet,

01:33:47.298 --> 01:33:55.422
- I cited there was a separate part of the statute that was specific to equipment leases.

01:33:55.586 --> 01:34:04.134
- that had much lower thresholds for when you have to go out for bed. If you're going to say that the

01:34:04.134 --> 01:34:12.682
- service is secondary or auxiliary to the primary focus of this is the piece of equipment and you're

01:34:12.682 --> 01:34:21.402
- subject to this statute, we don't have a choice but to go out for bed. Like I said last time, I think

01:34:21.402 --> 01:34:23.966
- we should put it out for bed.

01:34:24.866 --> 01:34:45.248
- Yeah, last time you said something better safe than sorry or whatever and yeah. And I, you know,

01:34:45.248 --> 01:34:53.022
- I think that. Doing doing something.

01:34:54.594 --> 01:35:02.231
- takes us down a path with a different vendor is going to present some logistical challenges because

01:35:02.231 --> 01:35:10.022
- of the way that the leases are all staggered and stuff like that. But I mean, I think Joey and I have

01:35:10.022 --> 01:35:17.888
- investigated enough at this point that I think there's options, other options out there that are worth

01:35:17.888 --> 01:35:23.998
- considering. And we can take all that into account. I mean, our current vendor,

01:35:24.706 --> 01:35:33.236
- can respond to the bid. Oh, and I would expect that they will if we did. And then we can compare everything,

01:35:33.236 --> 01:35:41.062
- the ease of staying with the same members. And the way that we purposely word those things, that we

01:35:41.062 --> 01:35:48.967
- are not stuck taking the bottom dollar. OK. Particularly since service would be included in this. So

01:35:48.967 --> 01:35:52.958
- there are other factors that can be factored into.

01:35:53.090 --> 01:36:03.477
- You know, we'll say lowest and most responsive bid, which doesn't necessarily mean it's the bottom dollar.

01:36:03.477 --> 01:36:13.475
- Okay. What was that terminology? Responsive and? Lowest and most responsive. Some of that is dependent

01:36:13.475 --> 01:36:15.902
- on how you word request.

01:36:22.946 --> 01:36:32.715
- So we need to work toward that request carefully so we can consider multiple facets. Yeah, because you

01:36:32.715 --> 01:36:42.388
- can get someone who prices it low, but it's not very responsive. Yeah, we go down and we have to wait

01:36:42.388 --> 01:36:52.062
- two weeks to get a technician. Well, if they can't work with installing right when we need, you know,

01:36:52.226 --> 01:36:59.717
- this lease ends, you know, that's that convenience factor. And that's the lead time acquired. Initially,

01:36:59.717 --> 01:37:06.922
- that's going to be the biggest challenge is these things have to be billed and we have to provide so

01:37:06.922 --> 01:37:14.128
- much notice to get out of the lease automatically renewed. What is the notice period for the current

01:37:14.128 --> 01:37:19.550
- license for the majority? It's either 90 or 100 days. I forget which it is.

01:37:22.306 --> 01:37:37.304
- There's a few things that we're interested in noticing our way out of, and they all have different notice

01:37:37.304 --> 01:37:51.454
- periods. We can certainly grab a couple of the contracts. Does anybody have a hard stock coming up?

01:37:52.898 --> 01:38:03.478
- This meeting is running longer than normal. I am supposed to be watching a webinar on local income tax

01:38:03.478 --> 01:38:13.852
- changes. Pretty exciting stuff. The district doesn't get income tax, so that's not pertinent to your

01:38:13.852 --> 01:38:18.782
- position. It is not. Continue, I will catch up.

01:38:25.570 --> 01:38:35.779
- that I did want to, and I think I've told Thomas, to let you all know that I will be unable to come

01:38:35.779 --> 01:38:46.191
- over to the next, I'll be able to attend the June board meeting remotely, but then the next Executive

01:38:46.191 --> 01:38:53.950
- Committee and the next board meeting in July, I will not be able to attend.

01:38:55.234 --> 01:39:12.266
- fun reason. So hopefully both of you can attend the next executive committee meeting. Which would be

01:39:12.266 --> 01:39:22.046
- the 7th of July? I think it's June 30th. Yeah, June 30th.

01:39:25.378 --> 01:39:37.175
- July 9th. Oh no, it is. Okay, I'm maybe coming back from Colorado at that time because I have to drop

01:39:37.175 --> 01:39:48.741
- my kid off at Air Force Academy. In June? That's so soon. June 24th. Well, we can. Okay, all right.

01:39:48.741 --> 01:39:55.102
- Did he stand up when Mr. Stark asked students? He did.

01:39:56.226 --> 01:40:05.739
- Oh, the North graduation was Saturday. Yeah. I can't pull. I'm not connected to the internet right now.

01:40:05.739 --> 01:40:15.070
- I can't pull up that. Oh, that's OK. But we can. Yeah, I feel kind of bad leaving this up in the air.

01:40:15.070 --> 01:40:24.126
- Well, it is what it means. The units are working right now. And I mean, well, I missed my mention.

01:40:24.258 --> 01:40:33.876
- I mean, it's a little nervous, but they're working right now. I mean, obviously the rep for the current

01:40:33.876 --> 01:40:43.123
- vendor is pushing, but we, I mean, this is potentially a half a million dollar decision. We kind of

01:40:43.123 --> 01:40:52.463
- hit it right. So. New diligence. So I think it's fine. And the worst case scenario is, we don't come

01:40:52.463 --> 01:40:53.758
- to a decision

01:40:54.434 --> 01:41:02.762
- soon enough to start initiating the opt-out notices for the current leases and we have to wait another

01:41:02.762 --> 01:41:11.090
- year. Oh, can we get a month-to-month? I'm sorry. On something that old, we can't get a month-to-month

01:41:11.090 --> 01:41:19.256
- lease. Not the way the lease agreements that were signed about 13 years ago. Can we do an opt-out of

01:41:19.256 --> 01:41:24.350
- the current and say, hey, like on the ones that are coming up,

01:41:24.674 --> 01:41:33.939
- If they'll agree to it. I would ask. Cause I'm for Marie that way. Yeah, I mean, it's the same ancient

01:41:33.939 --> 01:41:43.025
- equipment. So yeah, I mean, I can, I can, I can ask the rep what are, you know, what our options are

01:41:43.025 --> 01:41:52.830
- to alleviate some of the logistics. But I don't know that that's the only, it only alleviates the logistics.

01:41:53.218 --> 01:42:03.369
- that are involved with going to a different vendor because they'll alleviate them all for themselves.

01:42:03.369 --> 01:42:13.520
- Yeah, that's true. Can we get a list of the compactors and how old they are and when they're there at

01:42:13.520 --> 01:42:22.078
- least dates around. That's a good idea. I might actually have that somewhere. OK, so.

01:42:23.650 --> 01:42:32.244
- We need to go check. I honestly put things on my calendar incorrectly. I just moved it to the 30th.

01:42:32.244 --> 01:42:40.925
- Well, do we need to look to reschedule that executive committee meeting? We need people to attend in

01:42:40.925 --> 01:42:49.605
- person. Correct? Good. I can dial in. We need two in the room. Yeah. Yeah. I can be in the room, but

01:42:49.605 --> 01:42:51.582
- that's not two people.

01:42:54.882 --> 01:43:02.697
- I need myself an eye. Can't you throw your voice? We can confuse the owl and it'll look like there's

01:43:02.697 --> 01:43:10.822
- two. I forgot to tell you that once a meeting has lasted longer than it's supposed to and I might become

01:43:10.822 --> 01:43:18.793
- very, very... We're already running long enough. We can reschedule that via email. As we need to. Late

01:43:18.793 --> 01:43:23.358
- next week when I get back in town. And like I said, I will

01:43:25.506 --> 01:43:42.467
- check my email periodically on vacation, but I would really rather not have a meeting to go to at a

01:43:42.467 --> 01:43:55.358
- certain time. Anything else to bring up in the category of all other items?

01:43:56.130 --> 01:44:07.979
- I don't know if Teresa's still with us or did we lose her? I think she just left. OK, that's all right.

01:44:07.979 --> 01:44:19.487
- I mentioned earlier that the Arkwood bill that's normally would be paid under the resolution. That's

01:44:19.487 --> 01:44:21.310
- our HHW vendor.

01:44:21.698 --> 01:44:29.977
- Normally, there's a service agreement in place that would be in the resolution. However, the current

01:44:29.977 --> 01:44:38.419
- bill is $91,000. Do what now? Yeah. That covers how many months of collected stuff? Joey? That's about

01:44:38.419 --> 01:44:46.698
- three months, and it's because of all the foaming cylinders. The foaming cylinders was over half the

01:44:46.698 --> 01:44:50.878
- bill. Oh my, who brought those in? We actually got

01:44:51.202 --> 01:45:00.168
- 42 of them, I believe, was the number. And a lot of them was dropped off at our sites, you know, illegally

01:45:00.168 --> 01:45:08.716
- dumped. But we still have to do the right thing with them. We had a couple brought in the hazmat over

01:45:08.716 --> 01:45:17.263
- the time. OK. So at any rate, so that amount under our internal controls, Teresa and I can't do that.

01:45:17.263 --> 01:45:19.358
- It takes a board member.

01:45:19.682 --> 01:45:26.987
- but our quote is also a vendor we pay via ACH. So what Teresa and I discussed is we're gonna hold that

01:45:26.987 --> 01:45:34.434
- out so that it is a part of the claims to be approved at the board meeting. So that way, and since we're

01:45:34.434 --> 01:45:41.526
- not writing a check, but then that way we will have the board vote approving it and then Teresa and

01:45:41.526 --> 01:45:42.590
- I will have to

01:45:42.786 --> 01:45:50.805
- turn around the day after and work with the bank to get an exception on the limits that are placed on

01:45:50.805 --> 01:45:58.903
- our ACH transactions. We'll do a one-time exemption for us and we'll process that after board meeting.

01:45:58.903 --> 01:46:06.844
- I told you it'd be eye-opening. Normally, if we pay by check, you would need a signature. One of the

01:46:06.844 --> 01:46:12.190
- officers would have to sign. Yeah. What is the internal control for

01:46:13.090 --> 01:46:22.573
- um, ACH. This was not a foreseen circumstance. Yeah. So we need to, that's coming up too. With that

01:46:22.573 --> 01:46:32.151
- in our internal controls mechanism. But I think, I think given where we sit right now, that if it's,

01:46:32.151 --> 01:46:41.918
- if it's treated just, I guess, in essence, we're treating it as a vendor who's not on the vendor list.

01:46:42.082 --> 01:46:50.693
- So that way it gets presented to the board at the board meeting to be approved at the board meeting.

01:46:50.693 --> 01:46:59.475
- And that majority vote approval at the board meeting, we're accepting as authorization for Theresa and

01:46:59.475 --> 01:47:08.171
- I to transact that amount. We may even make mention of that at the board meeting and ask that part of

01:47:08.171 --> 01:47:11.326
- the vote to approve be to authorize.

01:47:11.490 --> 01:47:21.794
- to control an executive director to execute that ACH transaction in that amount. To have that be a separate?

01:47:21.794 --> 01:47:31.625
- Wait, to put that in the motion that we usually do for verbal claims? Right. Okay. You could write that

01:47:31.625 --> 01:47:40.606
- out, make sure we get the motion right. Well, yeah, we will single that particular payment out

01:47:40.770 --> 01:47:53.085
- when we present the claims for approval and explain why it's being singled out and what authority we

01:47:53.085 --> 01:48:05.521
- need upon the approval to get it executed. Wow. It's expensive to clean up messes. Now you understand

01:48:05.521 --> 01:48:10.398
- where we brought the fee resolution to.

01:48:10.498 --> 01:48:19.514
- Yes, I'm clear. And yeah, and that's just like said, it's, you know, it's become a do it yourself thing.

01:48:19.514 --> 01:48:28.187
- And I get it. And I think even if you're paying us $500 to get rid of it, there's still saving money

01:48:28.187 --> 01:48:33.854
- versus hiring the contract or if that's the route you want to go.

01:48:40.866 --> 01:48:52.239
- the remote for next week's meeting. Can one of you meet the meeting? It's chairing a meeting remotely

01:48:52.239 --> 01:49:03.612
- is difficult. Will you be there? That's why sure. Oh, this is the. The June board meeting on the next

01:49:03.612 --> 01:49:06.846
- week. Yeah, yeah. Thank you.

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- I will be. Secretary. All right, anything else for the good of the order? You want to. Do I want to

01:49:27.508 --> 01:49:35.422
- what? Oh, that's right. So. After all these.

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- Interviews as was evidenced by the many minutes of executive sessions. We have offered the controllers

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- position. Since that was that was delegated to me as board here to do so, I did offer that position.

01:49:52.404 --> 01:50:00.588
- Today, and I believe the official letter still needs to go out verbally accepted, but we haven't got

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- the letter. That's wonderful so.

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- That person should be able to start soon. I'll get that to the board confirmation vote next week. Yes.

01:50:14.457 --> 01:50:24.916
- Yeah. And everything should be barring any unforeseen circumstances in place by the board meeting. Awesome.

01:50:24.916 --> 01:50:33.438
- Yep. Very good. Thank you for taking that responsibility. Oh, yes, 100%. And thank you.

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- Thank you both for your help. Well, I think that is it for us today. So we are adjourned.