- All right, here we are. This is a live stream. We are here today with my brethren. And of course,
- you know me, I am your host. You are probably familiar with me, Brother Siddique. Today we are in the
- house with one of my elders, OG Abba Ras Nibbanan Tafari. Definitely obviously one of the elders of
- the Ras Tafari movement and mission towards this world.
- Uh, the brother got a lot to share with us. Uh, his story is long and we are here today and we are live.
- And so I'm quite excited that the brother is here. Welcome my big brother. Hey, before we get started,
- a little participation with you, my brethren. Yeah. Three words together in truth and in spirit. It's
- a simple word. You already know ABBA three times. Yes. ABBA.
- Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba,
- Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba,
- to be one of your interviewees, by golly. Always, always. You're my humble bit of walk, I would say,
- on this journey. It's still a journey, of course, because I'm still pushing there. Where you wanna start,
- bro? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm always...
- I'm always enamored with your wisdom, so you know, it's very hard for me to cut you when you're speaking,
- but yeah, let me take my show over, brother. What you doing here? Do your thing, do your thing, my brother.
- It's all love, it's all love, y'all. You know that, you know that. We've been doing the knowledge since
- the day we met, you know what I mean? And, uh, nothing but appreciation and love between us and, uh,
- Yeah, where do we start? It's so much, I got stories that we could share to the people about things
- that we've done and experiences that we've had together, but I think I should start where I always start
- with all my guests and be fair to the world and the public and the millions who may be watching this.
- Where did your first spiritual experience happen? Where did it start? How did you know something was
- going on outside of what is considered the normal?
- everyday experience of the muggles. Inside joke, y'all. Inside joke. Don't be too hard on the blood.
- Love, it's all love. You know it's all love. I just had to get that one in here. Blessed love and light,
- I tell you. Yes, you know. The first experience. Wow. Yeah.
- It's interesting because at a certain point, I think we were having a spiritual, I say we, because I
- think you shared some of the similar in the sense of things happening at a young age. I don't even know,
- I wouldn't have even called it spiritual per se. You know what I'm saying? To me, it was just life.
- You understand? And I thought everybody was kind of like, in a way, this way. I mean, maybe that's a
- bit egoistic, but that's how kids, most kids are. They just kind of looking through that vision. They
- kind of seeing like God, everything is just, you know, reflections of the one. Yeah, you don't, when
- you a kid, it is, you think everyone is just like you. You don't imagine that nobody sees the world
- differently than you do. That's why they less hateful, you feel me? Even the big ones, like,
- That's the big one, yo. That's why they call we hydrant, you know, even no matter, you see elder there,
- somebody might walk up to her and I call her a hydrant thing, but it's not an insult. It is a thing
- of knowing that you're a child of the most high. It is in that sense. So we all hydrant, no matter how
- big or how elevated or attained or what have you, somebody may get.
- but the first thing i think i remember i was seven and both my parents smoked herbs so there was incense
- and incense boats in the house available so i got some incense and i sat myself you know with a rec
- spine on the wall and i got my little
- which I didn't even know at that time, but something just was like, this is the right way. I'm going
- to hold my hands like this and I'm going to sit down and I'm going to just sit here and let my mind
- be still basically. And what occurred as I went to sit was my mom started strolling because I'm in the
- crib, you know. So she's strolling by me sitting on
- And she's like, you're seven and she's like, what? And I'm seven, bro. And she's black. Like, you know
- what I'm saying? She's a black woman. And she's like, what you doing? I'm pretty much verbatim. What
- you doing? And I said to her and my little kid, I'm meditating. And she was like, no, you're not.
- Because she was very staunchly at that time, especially atheists and whatnot. She was all in the civil
- rights movement, and she got into the whole Marxist vibe. So she was pretty atheist at that particular
- time in life, especially. And I said to her, I'm meditating. She said, no, you're not. And I was like,
- yes, I am. Watch. Watch.
- And I shut my mind down. I remember as a little, as a child, just, you know, still in my mind. You feel
- me till it was just quiet, utterly. And when you do that, a person can feel that. You did, it's a palpable
- feeling, even if they ain't real
- Because everybody's really spiritual, because how they pushing air, how they breathing air, and they
- heartbeat, and they spiritual. But of course. They connected in that essential way that all beings and
- all creation is part of consciousness that's from the source. Hey, you know. So she thought that. She
- looked at me, bro, and she was kind of freaked. But she went away. She was like, you're crazy. And she
- walked away.
- You crazy, get out of here. All right. Say, boy, you crazy, get out of here. With a shell, baby.
- You feel me? I could have crushed some kids, some young spiritual aspirant. You know, I had a similar
- experience. I don't know, I may have been eight years old. And my uncle, my uncle was always into meditation
- and human, you know,
- capabilities and spirit and things of that nature. And so we used to spend the weekend over his house,
- you know, my cousin Theo and Emmanuel and Jean, Tina, all of us, we spent the night over my uncle's
- house. And so, you know, he, he devised things for us to do. So one night he had us meditating, right?
- He had his speaker, he had his microphone. He'd taken us through a guided meditation, basically, right?
- You know what I'm saying? I'm like seven or eight.
- Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I'm like seven or eight. So I'm like, you know what I'm saying? So I, you know,
- I'm one of the men in my life who molded me. So it's like looking at him, you know, he's like a strong
- dude, you know, all the, all the men in my store kind of kind of stocky built dudes. So I'm thinking
- like, Hey, if this is what he do, you know, I'm trying to be like him. So I'm into everything he's saying.
- I'm following, I'm following, I'm following, you know,
- As an adult, now I'm an adult, I understand he was really just getting us to go to sleep. He didn't
- go to sleep. Everybody else went to sleep. I didn't go to sleep. He was shocked. He was on the mic saying
- his thing. He was like, Flint. And then he called me again and I turned to him and he was like, what?
- Like, you woke? Like, yo, you really, like, you really doing that?
- Yeah, I remember that because you mentioned you was like seven or eight years old. Yeah, I was I was
- I was eight years old. I think when I was at Unk House when I actually probably had my first real meditative
- experience and I totally forgot about it until you mentioned it. See and then this is some of the experience
- that I've noticed too is I'll mention certain things because certain stuff we keep real buried in a
- way memories because
- in the world, if we were to express that openly, often we would be taught mad. Not that I care,
- mind you, at this point. Mugs think what they want to think, whatever. Good luck with that. That's they
- car, Mike. I love the world, but every person who I interview has that recognition that the world says, oh,
- You know, they might call me crazy. They might say, you know what I mean? Every one of us, bro. You
- have to realize it. That's part of being able to be in any degree of enlightened and still be in the
- world and functioning as we're supposed to function as lights and beacons and guides and word speakers
- and true speakers and so forth and whatever, you know, because we all got, you know how they say,
- There's different dispensations of faith because there's myriad different callings that the source has
- for all the ones in one. You know what I mean? And so there's the nature of our being, but a lot of
- we, I know this is called pretty young, you know, and the nature of it is, it's like what the scriptures
- say, man. The scripture says, I knew you before you were clothed in flesh in your mother's womb. You
- were called and foreordained. So a lot of these things even down to you,
- Like you attracted the uncle that would do a guided meditation with you. You feel me? That was part
- of the track. That wasn't, he was, yeah, he was, in a way he was like us, but then, you know what I'm
- saying? And he had a moment with some shorty and he was like, aw, I'm gonna do my best to put some of
- this on him. As this thing go put some fat on their head. You know how old heads say that.
- Put the bat on his head. And then he cited, you know, one actually had, you know, some aptitude, the
- ability to stay awake because it takes a certain amount of like power. That's not, you know, the same
- kind of power that the world thinks of as power, force. It takes a certain amount of inner power.
- You relax, you know what I'm saying? And your nature is when most people get very, very, very relaxed,
- they go to sleep.
- So it takes a certain inner strength to like, no, I'm going to maintain being aware while I'm very,
- very super relaxed and calm in this state of being. So it takes a certain inner power, you know what
- I mean? And that's some of what you can see, how you can see, I and I cite different degrees of maturity
- and development from individual to individual, you know, because I met one cat, good example.
- of not meditation. He's like, yeah, I like to meditate, you know. I get in the tub and I light my candles.
- And then next thing you know, I'm asleep. I was like, nah, bruh. And I was eager, bruh. I felt a little
- way, but that's some of what it is, though, is to be the truth. We're like, nah, bruh.
- You started off pretty good, but when you went to sleep, that's where you stopped meditating. You didn't
- went into sleepitation there. That's not, you got to be awake to be actually meditating. My brother's
- saying, man, I get that too. I get me some kind of what? They say you don't have it. And I was feeling
- them, bro, because I like to come into my spot to meditate. My God, yeah. You know, man, I was feeling
- about this boy when he went to sleep.
- Yeah, I agree. I agree, bro. So it was like, oh, we're out of here. I was hyped with them, right? Right.
- That's not the goal, bro. No, that's not the goal. Like, I'm out of here. Like, okay. I point this out
- because I think, in fact, I feel to know that at a very young age,
- to some degree, at least. I was still a child, so I still went through the stages of being a child and
- everything. Of course. But I was aware of... More. More, yes, and a certain genus equae, as the French
- would say, a certain essential quality that is just, I'm different. Like Kendrick Lamar said,
- They not like us. And I knew I was a part of some us. I hadn't found that us yet. You did. But I knew
- I was a part of some us, something already that's bigger than me. So after seven and that experience
- with your mom and you recognizing that you could sink out of this world into self,
- how did that, what did that do for you? What did it, did it transform you to, to move differently, to
- think differently, to see differently, or was there just regular life and then another experience happened
- or? I think I just did, you know, a bit, the nature of it is ones and ones like we, as Rasta and I say,
- it's an inborn inception, inception. We're called and so some is there's a certain knowingness, I would
- call it. That's just,
- kind of part of you, part I, you know what I'm saying, where later on you figure out other people are
- different because first you think everybody, at least that's what I thought, everybody's like me, you
- know what I'm saying, everybody's, you know, got some, you know, like I heard your one brother and he
- was saying everybody might have some, you know, inner dialogue at times anyway. Whereas, you know, most
- people I came to realize over, you know,
- time and lots of conversation. This is like, well, it's like maybe grammar school, high school really
- that most people are not aware of what they think. You feel me? Whereas I'm like, that shit is like,
- it's like the video screen almost in a way. Like I'm very aware. Okay. I'm having this particular thought
- right now. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes I have a conversation.
- with, you know, because sometimes that thought's coming from a higher space of I, and I'm aware of that,
- and it's a conversation between I and my higher self, or God, as some would call it, because God don't
- sound different inside you most of the time. It's gonna speak with your voice, cause you're most familiar
- with that. Or somebody else's voice that you become spiritually close with. It may speak the spirit.
- It may speak inside someone's head. I've had that experience.
- Um expressed to me from other ones at once and they'd be like dude I heard you you said such and such
- and such and I was like Word that sounds like I and I was like, that's the father, you know Because
- the father will utilize whatever path of least resistance To get the soul of message if that happens
- to be a relationship that that person has with this or this or that one
- then so be it, they'll use that particular relationship in the sense of that person's voice, or that
- person might even appear, or you might be in a spiritual experience with that particular individual,
- so that we get more and more this, there's a big black cat that just walked up, straight up.
- That's what's up. Say you vibin'. Say you vibin'. Yeah, you feel it, you just walked up,
- that energy in the atmosphere. You feel it. But check me out. You got to give us, you got to give us
- a timeline of your spiritual development and growth. That's the idea. So we started early at seven and
- I was like deep into martial arts and this kind of thing. And I was specifically really into the energy
- aspects of martial arts. You know what I'm saying? The Qigong stuff.
- where you see some, you know, old Chinese master like push like 10 dudes freaking a yard away. You know
- what I mean? Like with some energy. I'm like, wait a minute that something in me was like, that is real.
- Yeah. Whereas somebody else might've been like, Oh, that's some scam, you know, vibe like that.
- And so I, you know, kept pursuing martial arts started with
- Taekwondo at first for like a couple of years, then got out of that and then was basically a B-boy.
- And that was my, you know, hardcore self-discipline was being a B-boy. Cause I would come home after
- soccer practice. That was two hours. So I would be a little tired and then come home and rep two, three
- hours till moms come home.
- drive my downstairs neighbor crazy, doing windmills and shit. Until I got it perfected, you feel like
- that. Yeah, you know, you know, I know about them days. Yeah, that was, that was our era. That's not
- like, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. But that mastery process, so that was my, really my first deep dive
- into self-discipline. As an individual, I was already
- That's curious because, you know, I was also a B-boy or whatever, but I never really can, I never considered
- a discipline. You know what I mean? It was, it was just the natural flow of energy. You know what I'm
- saying? And the times we was in for me, I never really considered a discipline. And I guess it had to
- be, it had to be, because ultimately, like I said, I was the, I was the cat in the neighborhood who
- did the windmill and the back speed. You know what I'm saying?
- And so I have my pop lock in here. I have my pop lock in here. So yeah, it took some definite discipline
- to be better than the other cats at what you're doing. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Rep,
- rep, rep, rep. So you get that issue. I got to think about it. I'm going to just crush them up. Yeah,
- you used it 100%, bro. So yeah, it was definitely a discipline. But it's curious that I never
- even considered, you know, I never even looked at it.
- That's a training you always saying that like it's a whole bunch of things on the loader and I side
- up that Babylon trained us to think of certain Iseps in a certain way one Because they will be empowering
- especially to people of color black black folks of African descent. It would be empowering to know that
- discipline
- can act self-discipline can actually be something you enjoy. Oh yeah. We got fed the concept
- of self-discipline being something heavy and arduous and laborous and unpleasant. Most of us in the
- world, when you look out the world, even the word responsibility is, you know, I look at it as the ability
- to respond, which is something I like to have all the while. You feel me?
- But the way that the world colors it is something to be shunned. You ain't gotta tell me. Accountability
- as well, right? It's in the same boat. You don't understand. Shunned or run from. You see? And these
- are the things that's going on in reality. Empower the human being. Empower the spiritual being to be
- their full authentic spiritual self. While on earth, skip waiting to die. Go to heaven. Be on heaven or earth.
- That's what, you know, I figured that out. You know, I, I feel early in it cause I, and I partially
- because my mom was an atheist. Right. I didn't have a particular spiritual or religious doctrine or
- I had, you know, I had a Christian family. They're black. They were definitely back there and they wouldn't,
- but they were definitely also spiritually minding actually lived it.
- You know, so I came up with that kind of experience rather than, oh yeah, he say he Christian, but he
- out there doing all kinds of dirt. No, I had, I had actually Christian people and they were spiritual.
- I used to see my grandmother go out, feed people out her back, out her back door. You did take him,
- don't take a plate out there. Kristen, don't take a plate out there to some of us always out there waiting
- for you to take a plate. You know, enough times. So she wouldn't, she did them works.
- And she sent people, you know what I'm saying? She helped people when she could. She didn't just say,
- I'm a Christian. I'm good. Me, I'm saved. You know what I'm saying? She did the actual thing of being
- Christly. You know, not to say she was perfect, but you know what I mean? Overall, she was like a grandma's
- grandma, too. Like, she did all the things, bro. Sew, cook, make clothes, everything. She was old school
- like that. And then my grandfather was a deacon.
- And he was like, I think he was the strong, silent type of cat. So I think I got a lot from him because
- he appeared in Lou mostly because he was tired. Because like a lot of us, we work two jobs.
- We come home, go to sleep, wake up, go to the next job, filming. So that was like one of my molding
- experiences in the sense of like, I found out like as a 30 year old something person,
- Not 20 20 No younger 17 we were staying with him me and my mom and my sister stand with my grandparents
- for a time and One night he was uncharacteristically energetic And he did a pratfall in front of us
- What's that rough? You know, it's like, you know how the comedians they'll fall without hurting themselves
- Okay, right, right, right. A comic fall, crap fall. Right, right. He's like, yeah, he just pulled his
- chair off from under himself. He's like, you know, I'm young and he's my age now. You know what I'm
- saying? I'm like, whoa. My granddad just did that in front of me. He's like, yeah, I used to
- be in Vaudeville. I was like, whoa, where is all this coming from? You know what I'm saying? So I realized
- there's just facets of him that
- us grandkids never knew because he was in the slave all the time. You see, so it basically kind of stole
- us knowing him as a person, as a soul, as an actual person. You know what I mean? Because he was always
- at work. Came home, go to sleep, wake up, eat, go to work. Yeah, I know those. I remember that. So I
- saw that and I was like, it's got to be, you know, and then I saw him retire.
- And then three or four years later, he was, he passed. He's transitioned. This is the story. And this
- story is like, man, Hollywood ain't going to make that movie because it's been seen too many times.
- You feel me? Bug retired. It's the American dream. He retired and he took three or four years later
- dead or something. Yeah. You gave your life to the system. That's what they do, man. Most of the years,
- you know what I'm saying?
- And then they don't, you know, know how to take care of, they've been eating the food, soul food, so-called
- soul food, killing us, all their lives. So by that time, most of us, you know, body been deteriorated
- and they don't know how to build it back up. So I saw all that, that was formative for me to look at.
- I'm like, man, I want to be, I want to work for God. One, cause most people,
- you know, they have varying degrees of trustworthiness, just straight up from, you know, the soul's
- perspective, not like my ego's perspective or my spiritual being's perspective. Yeah, that person,
- I can, you know, each person, you know, you talk to a person and you can see they being as real as they
- can be. You know what I mean? If they knew how to
- express their fullness of themselves without, you know, quote unquote filter, they would, but it's been
- ingrained on them so hard it take, you know, some serious like we gonna have to go up in the mountains
- somewhere in the cave, bro. You know what I'm saying? Extreme away from the world to shake unlearn and
- learn relearn they who they are actually are. You know what I'm saying? And be that being. Yeah, that's
- that came up in the interview today, actually.
- I interviewed a young lady who went to Bali and she had plenty of major spiritual experiences and saw
- Jesus and saw Buddha. You should check the video, it's pretty good. But what we were talking about was
- people, you know, life itself is that people aren't expressing themselves to the fullness of who they
- are. And generally speaking, they don't do it because of fear.
- right? What your mama gonna say, what your girlfriend gonna say, what your brother gonna say, what people
- gonna say, the church gonna say, school gonna say, you know what I'm saying? What all of these outside
- perspectives are doing to mold your internal self. And so you, you never get to your Jordan
- level achievements. You never reach your Elon Musk level achievements because you're not willing to
- express yourself to your fullness. And I think to express yourself to your fullness is a necessity in
- reaching your full potential.
- I think they go hand in hand. I don't think you can do one without the other. It's nearly impossible.
- I mean, the whole process, if you want to call it a process or the journey, is, you know how they talk
- about in the eyeball, they talk about the garden of Eden and so forth. And I cite that it's really talking
- about a natural process of spirituality,
- movement from and then to spirituality in order the movement from in order to know oh that was spirit
- you know i'm saying you have to have you have to know wet to know what dry is of course you understand
- so that contrast of when we proverbially leave the garden of eden and then we wake up to the reality
- of hey i was in the garden of eden i'm trying to get back
- Right. And then the process of getting forward in oneself to where once in that Edenic state of consciousness
- again, which is actually, you know, a reality of possibility that isn't taught to us in any type of,
- um, formal education or even I would say religious education really outside of, you know, certain spiritual circles.
- And that's why this show exists, because the whole idea is to bring spirituality out of the closet and
- make it plain in everyday conversation where it's not some big mystery, some big, you know what I mean,
- some big secret in the closet, some, oh, only you gotta know some special dude to understand your spirit.
- No, bro, you are the spirit. You wake up every day. Like you said, there is nothing that is foreign to you
- that needs to be taught to you about your spirit, bro. You know what I'm saying? And so for me,
- it's sad. To me, it's sad, bro, because when you look at the overarching social situation, you understand
- that majority of people will probably never be able to express themselves to the fullness of themselves
- because they have this social concept that I ain't shit. I'm a born sinner.
- and I got to get right to get right. You know what I mean? You never sat with me. Oh, of course not
- me and you, not many of us, but I'm saying the majority of the Western mindset is still under that.
- Oh, I'm fairly all right. It's kind of sad. It's the nature of not thinking in the world that's prevalent.
- See, that hits you perfectly, I can tell.
- because yeah. And it feels better than being sad about it. Because if a person really sat and went,
- okay, newborn is a sinner. Come on. That mug is glowing. God literally to anybody but a freaking spiritual
- blind man. Mind you, and there are a lot of spiritual blind people in the world. So
- compassion to those ones because they haven't grown to this height as of yet. But the reality of most
- people when they see a newborn, even though that mug is cone-headed and funny-looking, everybody go,
- oh, we told you. Because they feel in the light of the most hot. Yeah. Unfiltered and unblocked. Yes,
- sir. Yes, sir. You know what I'm saying? And I'd be like, word, I get it. You know what I'm saying?
- That shit is a result. Okay, it's not thinking. It's got some, you know, original sin. I mean, and I
- can only understand it only from this metaphysical point, like digging. Because I, you know, I went
- in on the process, initially, just on the spiritual gut love, which is that concept. I have to call
- it that, a concept, because it's a con.
- make people you know feel guilty about basically themself it's a setup to be guilty like almost ever
- ever you know it's a mind trap that has done so much damage to this world bro the mind f is what it
- is bro yeah it's terrible what it really is because because we were talking about the other day like because
- Like, of course, like when I talk about NBL, we talk about giving it to the kids because they ain't
- got all of this chaos to remove from their minds. They can get it easy and beautifully. But when you
- talk about giving it to an adult, you gotta deal with their traumas, their programming, their culture,
- all of these things that they have to fight through to get to who they are as the soul level. And then
- they can be able to, you know, consciously move and express correctly versus, you know what I mean?
- And so mind you, that's the journey too. You know, something that's I, and I feel as, as black folks
- though, we had, we had what I would call at least an inordinate amount of freaking, uh, drama, trauma
- and shit. Yes. Just, I don't care what nobody say because like, but we didn't migrate here. Hey bro.
- Hey! I got snatched up. I was killing somewhere as a high priest. My family was high priests. And I
- got snatched the fuck over here. They taught me some English bastard ass language. Took my language
- and culture and my awareness of I'm God for a little bit away. Yeah. Yeah. So for a minute, I think
- a lot of us talking about the spiritual journey.
- I was pissed. Yes. Yes. Hey, you know, the young man who you lied to me so hard. The young man that
- you mentioned that you said you and you was digging his interview, Kahari, he's at that stage now.
- I get it. Yes, it's right. It's righteous indignation. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
- Yes. But it's funny. It ain't funny. It's just, you know, we've been through these stages. So when you
- see it process it through somebody else, you'd be like, oh, without going through that, you know what?
- You can't get to love. Yeah. Because like on low key, a lot of business, man, a lot of this is not full
- on like clinically depressed per se, but a lot of ones I started depressed slash anxious or and or both.
- Hey bro, I talked about that. Can we talk about what's causing it? It's called cognitive dissonance.
- It's because you're trying to fit into a culture that you're not really, yeah, you're not really ever
- going to be accepted in. And so by doing all that you can to bend your nature, your mind, your concepts,
- your culture, your structure, your
- everything to fit and to achieve and then you get there and you realize that you're still not where
- you thought you'd be and you've done all of these amalgamating of your nature to be there and it becomes
- an angry thing and then like i said so many angles that we've been touched bro i mean we got cats who
- who don't think they black no more you know i'm saying who cats who who that ain't even a part of my
- culture i don't know that's you guys i don't have
- when I told them they were African. Hey, bro, you are here. Yeah, I wouldn't doubt it. Or indigenous
- even. Yeah. Well, hold on. Let me let me. So so okay, if you're not African, if you're not indigenous,
- let me tell you, let me ask you what you think you are. Right. What do you what do you think you you
- are, buddy?
- You give me an assessment of what you are. I need to know what you think you are. Where did you come
- from? Yeah. I know. But what do you think? Yeah. Your assessment of what all this is. My sight, man,
- when I was like, I got to go back to the youth again. We progressed in a long time, I know. Because
- when I was young. This is nowhere near like any interview I've ever done. So it's fine. We'll get through it.
- I remember like both my parents were activists, right? My dad was a member of WSO, which was like the
- Black Panther chapter in Chicago. And my mom was like part of the civil rights movement from like 16
- forward. She graduated from high school early. So I grew up with that as a backdrop. But then I had
- this friend when I was young.
- And his name was David, of all things. Best friend. And he just happened to be a pink cat. Right, right.
- Palm color. Yeah, you did. And I overheard you did. My mom and dad, like, I don't get it. His best friend
- is white. Because they're both, like, blackity, black, black activists.
- You don't say it black pick in the hair hole now. All right. All right. That's my parents. Talk about
- Hibari gani every quiet cause it was not expected responses. So you there was that freaked them out.
- But to to I me and my friend David, we talked about this. I remember this like vividly up to now you
- dig as an adult where
- He looked at each other physically. He was like, you're not really black. You're really kind of brown.
- And I was like, you're not really white. You're actually more pink. I love youth. You know what I'm
- saying? You're not black.
- And you ain't white. You know what I'm saying? Those are crayons. Crayons, bro. Exactly. Those are crayons.
- We're not that. This is who I am. I'm this being. And you're that being in that, you know, flesh loop,
- basically. You know what I'm saying? And so, you know, early on, that idea of one love, as far as on
- that so-called racial or cultural tip, was, you know, something
- known to you know it was already something I was practicing that I didn't care about so much just how
- this person appear one because I grew up again with activists my mom made sure I heard the Martin Luther
- King speech and that that resonated with me wasn't just the thing oh he's famous and he's this guy no
- that personally resonated in my own spirit like yeah that's the vision that's the way the world should be
- You know, so it wasn't philosophical. You feel me? It was visceral how they say visceral by even as
- a young person. And I remember growing up and that was pretty much why I was different all the way,
- man. My whole like school career, I guess you would call it, you know what I'm saying? All the way to
- grammar school and whatnot. I pretty much was that kid that
- stayed like the grain of wood in the floor. You feel me? I didn't want to be noticed too much because
- I knew how people were. That was, you know, my overstanding even at that time. I played and played ball
- and that kind of thing. But other than that and certain types of interaction, I know even at that age,
- mugs ain't ready for what's in here because I was already at nine and 10 talking about y'all pieces the way
- to my neighborhood friends and in the hood in the west side of Chicago, son, you know. I already know.
- That's exactly what I'm saying. Wild people are not themselves because of all of the cultural pressures
- that they have and they can't really express their natural nature. But I felt this even to now, really.
- It's like, I think I even told you this, that third point as a youth, I kind of like, I figured my cave
- is my head. I'm gonna go inside this cave, and when I'm, you know, groaning up some loves and not telling
- me what the freak to do, then I'm gonna free up, which is pretty much, that's when I grew my locks,
- I grew, you know, I grew my 18, went in the military, and one night I grew my first set of locks in there.
- which was an experience in itself too. Because a lot of it was I connected with people in D.C. would
- rock the people. So you went in the military. What prompted that and which branch of the military did
- you go in? You know, I did the school thing. I was on a full academic scholarship for electrical engineering
- at Alcorn State.
- And it just really wasn't for I. And I feel and know that in this time I was, you know, intellectually
- apt enough to take care of as far as the, you know, school work. It just, it didn't jive with I. It
- didn't vibe and resonate with my person in a way. So I came back to, you know, back to Chicago and then
- my mom was basically like, you ain't laying up here. You know how moms can be, cause she's black like that.
- She was like, when you go to Air Force, that was her suggestion. I was like, cause I didn't want to
- necessarily lay up under her either. Cause she was going to be telling me what, what all the time. So,
- you know, young person I'm like, yeah, let me up. I'll go in, I'll go in the Air Force. So I went in
- the Air Force and worked in the Air Force as the mental health unit specialist, which was crucial training.
- And I feel just as far as
- on a spiritual level and basic counseling skills, compassion, understanding, listening, skills that
- I and I feel that are crucial to those that are called to the path and are in essence priests and ministers
- and flames of the creator walking about. So we need all those things.
- because at some point somebody that we know is close to us might have somebody pass forward and we might
- give them some compassion and succor and understanding rather than be an asshole, because there are
- some out here, trust me. You would be surprised the world, woo, I know what y'all mean when you say
- there's some hard-hearted people out here, you know? Yeah, of course. To I, that's like,
- 56 year old person in chronologically in this body. I feel like How do you let they buy they they know?
- because I've had great Treatment from you fellow human beings. I've had horrendous treatment from fellow
- human beings My my vibe is always like I'm not gonna let nobody bring me to a place where I come out
- of myself, which is love right
- you know, because in a way that person helped me see, okay, are you really this? You know what I'm saying?
- It's a check, like, are you really love, are you really God? You know, that's been a theme in my, probably
- the last week at least, maybe eight to 10 days, it's been a theme that's been like recurring in cycles,
- like saying, don't get,
- tired of doing good. Don't get weary of doing good. Don't allow yourself to, you know what I mean? Yeah.
- There are moments. I think there's even moments with that where I know, you know what I'm saying?
- Cause I, and I cite that when you look at Yeshua himself, where he got the whole crucified vibe,
- he was like, man, John, if, if I can not drink this cup,
- Word can be cool, but if it's your will, then so be it. Y'all know that script. So it shows that even,
- you know, this high avataric manifestation of the most high itself even had this moment where it was
- like, just human in that sense of things, just kind of like, man, this is bull.
- Yes. Yes, sir. That's what he said. He said it in a pretty safe way. But that's what he said. In essence,
- this is important. If I don't have to do this, God, man. If it's necessary and I'm here to save the
- planet, all right, then I'm here to save the planet. Right. It's your will. You know what I'm saying?
- And so the rest of it unfolds.
- So it looks like we're having a more of a, just a, this is what I call a kick it session, a build session,
- a reasoning session, more so than an interview. And that's fine. But I still want to get a straightforward,
- direct interview. It's organic. Yeah, it's very organic.
- And that's fine. For me, you know, for I was the journey. Like I said, I was, you know, went through
- the whole childhood thing. And I really feel like when I was a child, I was a child. Yeah, I was spiritual,
- but I didn't even think of it as being spiritual. I was just, this is how I am. Right. You understand?
- And then later on, as I grew into adulthood and I saw other people around me, they were like,
- Dude, you're very spiritual, you're very rich. And I'll be like, in comparison to what? That's what
- they were doing. Very true. Like, what are you comparing this to? Right. Yeah. A one who lives that
- way doesn't have a comparison. It's just how I live. So exactly, I understand fully what you're saying
- there. I mean, because in my side, I'm like, I'm a biped, you know.
- i'm in this biped structure you feel me in this homosexual body you're the homo what this is you know
- everything is everything that person you know they you know connected to something you know higher than
- that was an assumption on my part they caused me some you know hard knock lessons later and some some
- you know to gain you know wisdom and more discernment and understanding that it is the thing where
- The creator gives certain ones, the open ones through the experience and through even just birth to
- have the eyes and the eyes to see and the ears to hear that which your common person ain't even looking
- to hear or see, much less hearing or seeing. Yeah, that conversation came up as well earlier in an interview
- I had with a young lady
- today. And it was about, like, you know, you know, God has people here in many capacities to work for
- him, right. And so one of the things that I was saying is that I've never, what I was telling the young
- man, I was like, I was telling this, I've been saying this probably last three days, because I,
- you know, this is
- This is how we talk. It ain't like I'm just doing this interview and I'm talking about spiritual stuff
- today because this is what I do. No, this is who I am. And so these are the conversations that I have
- with everybody that I talk to. Right. So yeah. So so I'm having this conversation a couple of days ago
- and I'm talking about the idea that I don't feel like
- part, you know, like, like, okay, and then, like I said, this might sound arrogant, but to you, I'm
- sure it doesn't, but because you know what I'm talking about, but to the average person, it may sound
- straight as holish, but I don't, I don't concern myself with getting to heaven. I don't think that's
- my concern. I don't think that they come beyond that part, right? I think my job is affecting things
- on this earth and to attempt to bring heaven to this earth by allowing people to understand that the
- fullness of your capacity
- is the best that you can ever get out of this earth. And the best that you can ever get out of this
- earth is to bring out the life that God put into you, which is love, right? And express it in its greatest
- way. Yeah. I feel like that's why I'm here. I don't feel like I'm here to be like, oh, you got to not
- go to hell. You got to go to heaven. I ain't there, man. That ain't, that's bullshit. Somebody here
- for that. Somebody here for that. There are people here for that.
- my thing it's never even as a kid it wasn't the thing for me so i don't never feel like it was a thing
- like oh i gotta worry about getting to heaven i gotta worry about getting to heaven that ain't never
- felt like my shit because i've always been in alignment with what's right that's all you know it ain't
- you know what i'm saying so you know i'm a human so you have your flaws and your imperfections you know
- what i'm saying but i'm saying for the majority of my life i've been since i was 17 i've been seeking
- shit deep you know what i'm saying so
- Ain't too much that I'm worried about, like, oh, I might get to go to hell. No, bro,
- I don't even, ultimately, this even comes up, right? Because Tina, my sister, you know, anyway, she
- talking about something or something or another. And I'm like, well, Tina, ultimately, when you,
- you know, it's a matter of perspective, because there is no, you know, there is no power in the universe
- that is actually opposing God, right? There is no,
- Actually, when you talk about this devil in the sense that people talk about the devil okay there is
- the idea of yin and yang there is light and dark there is male and female, so the opposing force to
- good is an existing thing, but it is not an equal complex way of power as God.
- Okay, the opposing force you may feel is a motivating force for you to be enlivened towards your spiritual
- heights. You see what I'm saying? So it ain't all about, yeah, it ain't all about, oh, it's an evil
- force. It's just something opposing that makes you motivate and spirit up. You know what I mean? This
- is how you know it's one heart, one mind. Because I was talking about reasoning with this, on this exact
- thing, actually, with I-N-I Empress, I-Y Shirley, about how
- people miss overspend even the concept of yin and yang, dark and light, receptive and creative principles.
- People, especially on the level of gender. These principles are really simply, as I stated, receptivity
- and creativity. Those are the basic principles
- of energies that the creator energy breaks down into that's how all his life is getting young energy
- mugs in order to like exist we have to exchange and do yin and yang things pretty much all day you eat
- food you receive it you know i'm saying that's and you have to actively bring it to your mouth that's
- a yang thing but then you're breathing yeah
- So it's going back and forth, this interchange, yin and yang, breathing, all of this. That is the most,
- you know, that's the most significant aspect of your life. You can, you don't, they don't consider you
- alive to the baby, give a birth to breathe. And they say you ain't, you're dead when you lose the last
- breath. So the breathing is the yin and the yang all day of your total existence. So it's this thing
- specific that I speak of, that the yin tends to, cause it's dark, like the earth is dark. All right.
- and the yang energy is quote unquote light. Now what happens is the dark gets mostly because of Eurocentric
- ideas, ionized light. It gets demonized as negative, evil, et cetera, but it's simply a receptor. It's
- that side of God. You understand? And then the active side or creative aspect of God is that light or
- movement, energy.
- You know what I'm saying? The act of creative force without which this, you know, the earth would just
- be a rock without the sun shining on it. Yeah. Without, like I said, bro, it's the, it, you gotta have
- it. And it has to put forth our, then it gives us fruit. You know what I'm saying? Vegetables, fruit,
- all the other things that come for, even those that, you know, doing the carnivore thing or omnivore
- thing, all the animals that they eat eat vegetables.
- you did. So it still is secondhand sun energy all the while. So all of us is thriving through this yin
- and yang receptive and active interchange all through our life. That's masculine and quote unquote masculine
- or feminine energies in reality from the creative source. But it gets demonized on one side or the other
- instead of it being looked at as
- One whole part one thing in the creator because this shin or spirit that makes that ginyang ball move
- Yeah, yeah without the shin actually moving the consciousness then it don't there's no evolution and
- progression Exactly, and that's what i'm saying. They're inspirations for one another and I think I
- got that as a young person, you know i'm saying Just because I would say, you know, I started smoking
- herb I was about 15
- I think I was about 15, 15 or so. Nah, I had contact heights, because like I said, my parents both smoked,
- so I remember a couple times being contact high actually, and saying some crazy wild stuff in the back
- of the car, and my mom looking at me like, what did you just say? Like one time I cussed. And I wasn't
- that kid that like cussed in front of parents. You did. And I just said something like, some crazy cuss
- word. And I was like, even my own self was like,
- Did I just say that? Because you know, it be loose when you iry. But that was the first time I think
- I consciously remember being iry. But then later on, like as I said, I was 15 or so, I had my own room
- and thing, and I had a little balcony. And there was like no grass outside, but there was just one tree.
- So I would go out there and I'd blow one. And I just said, look at the tree, God.
- for like 20 minutes, 45 minutes sometimes, you know, whatever, however amount of time, you know what
- I'm saying? And then I would get up, go back in. That was, you know, my first experiences, that and
- with my other homie, Polo was his nickname. We would smoke herb between the elevator cars on the L train,
- on some like thrill seeking type dish.
- They didn't bother us in between the cars like that. They can smell it but they can't find you that
- easy. They couldn't smell it because we're in a moving car. We're outside. Okay, okay. It's between
- the cars. You're actually outside in a little bit of vibe and you're like burning. Right. We go back
- in cab with Luis before we go to the club and things.
- But then other than that, I would just smoke, but with I and myself, you feel me? It wasn't a thing
- where I was like, a lot of people my age, when they was burning herbs, there was, you know, going to
- a party and things. I did that little of that too, of course. But a lot of the time when I smoked the
- herb, it was, you know, I'd cuff a little bit of herb for my mom's ashtray. So let me ask you this,
- when about the, uh,
- about to try it out when you took the backpack and you left the city and you went on your walk with
- God. Because that's a faith walk when you leave and that's all you got, right? I know the story, but
- the people don't know the story. So I was getting there. So I went through the military vibe. I got
- out of the military. And at that point, I grew up in the second set of rocks. And I met my elder.
- J.C. Stokes. Why you why you say your second set of locks? What happened with the first set? Well, the
- first set I had at a certain point, I had three months to get out of the military and I had a black
- NCOIC that's noncommissioned officer in charge of the particular module. He was in charge of both the
- hospital units on that floor. So he was the boss for the two head bosses. He pulled me in his office.
- Cause I had locks in a fade and I had been working rocking it for like, at that point, a year, almost
- in the military over in the military yet. And it was not allowed, but nobody said anything to me.
- And I was, you know, now I look at it as the thing of the spirit was on me in such a way that.
- I was just did it. He did without, wasn't no fear of it. You know what I'm saying? That dude, you know,
- that's that initial just spark as it worked. And then they, he pulled me in his office. He was like,
- he basically told me if I didn't get that out of my hair, he was gonna make it quote unquote hard for
- me. Getting out of the military, you know, I only had a little time left. Basically he was gonna make
- it hell. So I remember going back to my barrack and like,
- painstakingly picked, like, because it had locked, you know what I'm saying? So I had to pick all that
- out, so to speak, and I just, I didn't cut it. I just packed it all down with some Murrays and did my
- next three months or whatever and got out. Went into a job interview, still had a fade, got the job,
- went in the first day with my locks.
- beer is starting to grow in and all that vibe. I didn't last too long at that job. They didn't even
- have the balls to fire me in person. They sent me a courier. I called off sick Monday and sent a courier.
- Come to my door, clean dog, I'm like, what? You're basically opening up and you're fired. What? I called
- my elder and I'm like, dude.
- And my elder was like, he was like, it was raining at the time and my elder was like, when you got the
- letter, did the sun come out? And I was like, yeah, word.
- Like immediately, like, cause we had that depth where he didn't have to go in on explaining the meaning
- of that shit. Like, did the sun come out? Yeah. Dig it. Word. I was pieced with the whole thing. It
- was a nice gig. 19,000, you know, entry level working as a psychiatric case manager and, you know, West
- side VA hospital, blah, blah, blah. Company car, dah, dah, dah, dah.
- all that. But, you know, at the time, like I said, I was rooting up. And so I was getting deeper in
- the spiritual, spirituality I linked up with, you know, my elder. And then also I ran into like the
- first day I rooted up, actually ran to my one good brethren, now named Om Mura. And he was like, yo,
- they got these classes at this
- helpful story called the tango on the south side on Egyptian, committing spirituality. I was like, where?
- Oh, that's what he said to me first. He was like, you know, you growing antennas into the universe,
- into the cosmos. I was like, yeah. Even though I had never intellectually, you know, been told that
- by anybody, I just was like, yeah.
- that just made sense. You feel me? When he said it, I was like, yeah, of course. Why would I be doing
- this otherwise? You know what I'm saying? It was kind of the other thought inherently in my brain at
- that moment. Now I think about it. But so then I wound up going to, as Sarah said, taking their courses
- on meditation one and meditation two and African cosmology one and two
- astrology and so forth Mahabodh astrology and I was like worried so I was eating all that up and then
- as we were sitting in there a little longer. How old are you? I was in my 20 I would say 23, 24. Okay.
- And most of us that were in there a bunch of artists and such poets and whatnot you feel me and so we
- were already pretty receptive beings
- feel creative, connected in that sense. And like, we started going to the meditation class and we were
- getting mounted by ancestors in like the first week or two of the class. People were speaking, you know,
- ancestors were speaking through them. So Mugs was convinced within the first week. You know what I'm
- saying? It's just what was happening, bro.
- Yeah, I'm just saying you're pretty convinced when you're getting mounted by the ancestors.
- You know what? That shit just happened. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and there's any, you know, I've been
- personally, it's always, it's always been about vibes. You know what I mean? Later on, I always stood
- that to be spiritual. You know what I mean? But when I was youth and really now I still be like,
- you know, I caught a vibe and that is such and such. You feel me? Yeah.
- I mean, I caught a spiritual free, like it real technical, I caught a spiritual frequency of communication
- and I moved on that communication. Right, right. You know what I mean? But it always be like words,
- like people think, you know what I'm saying? Just be like, like I was feeling the way about my youth,
- Isaiah who passed some time ago. And so I went and took a walk, you know, I was feeling sad and shit.
- And I got a vibe.
- Walk this way. And so I walked that way and turn the corner, turn the corner, stop, look down. And I
- looked down and then on the concrete, somebody had scribed into the concrete, hi dad. I was just peace,
- bro, immediately. Like I know what, you know, something blew up.
- I think I even posted up on the Facebook stuff where it was like, do you think that your son, I'm like,
- no, that's silly. But I do realize that my son was aware enough to guide me to a space where he would
- give me a, where he could give me a message. And he would know that I would know what that was because
- I could feel energy. I could feel vibes. I mean, beyond what I read on a piece of concrete, I felt the
- vibration.
- of my son guided me to the spot one. You don't have to explain this to me or anybody watching this,
- man. That was some of them we do, though. That's the thing. You know, they don't. So I do explain it
- to them, you know, some of the ones that don't don't get it, you know, because they want to know what
- you mean about because sometimes you say that and it's be like, you might as well be speaking, you know,
- Japanese, the name Japanese.
- You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I guess I can be kind of jaded. That's part of what I'm here for. You
- know what I'm saying? I can be kind of jaded in assuming that people know the shit that we know, and
- I can just assume that it's just common knowledge and then, yeah, you're probably right. You do have
- to explain. That's a good vibe. No, I like that. You know what? That's a good vibe, because that's being
- part of the solution. I would hope. No, when you film me.
- some of the solution mugs be like focused on the problem to be in the world, all the world's problems.
- Man's in humanity, man in all the different, you know, forms basically. Yes. You know, but it's our
- focus on it that gives it energy. Yes, sir. So I try, you know, that's why, you know, we talk all the
- time about, you know, keeping positive vision and positive focus and, you know, not being a proverbial
- negative Nancy or Norman.
- Yeah, I mean, like I say, I feel like like I just want to be like a bundle of oranges or a bundle of
- lemons. When you walk by, you smell that wonderful fragrance and you get uplifted. That's all I want
- to be. Yeah. Yeah. You ain't even got to know me. Just walk by. You feel better, brother. That's good.
- I love you. It's a real thing. Yeah. Because I mean, me and my my my bro, I'm a emcee, homie.
- We was kicking it thick before we was in the midst of doing the demo. So we was hanging real tight.
- And we would walk by people. And this is one of them things, this might sound arrogant as heck, but
- you get it. And we would walk by somebody and we would just kind of feel like, just silently just wish
- them love and blessing.
- And you can see, you know, a person just, they, they face might've been flat as you walk in, just as
- you walk in by and then as you walk by that energy brush up and they just get a little grin. You know
- what I'm saying? I have consciously and actively done that in the last week. I had a, uh, it's a real thing.
- Yeah, I went to work and I spoke to somebody about a thing and they damn near ignored me. And I just
- was like, okay, let me walk away. This is, this is not the right energy to be starting my day. Right.
- So, so I go, I go talk to God, bro, as I'm walking, like, man, I don't know what that was about, bro.
- But you know what I'm saying? Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. But I didn't even have to say nothing to the
- person, bro. I'm talking about for the rest of the day, it was all love. I'm talking about, it was like, like,
- Like, hey, I want to be a friend type energy. You know what I'm saying? Like, OK, this is very cool.
- Like, yeah. Like, I didn't say shit to them. I went talk to God and left it alone. Like, dog,
- this is crazy. I don't know what to do at all. You know what I'm saying? Shit turned around without
- me saying shit, bro. Real thing, real talk, brethren. Like, this technique's even, like, after I went
- into the military, see, I'm trying to keep a timeline for you.
- After I did the military thing and then I did the case management thing. Then I was being a musician
- and a poet. And vibing on all of that. Basically just kicking it with my elder and living. Going to
- the whole Sarah Set thing.
- got married, had my first youth and went to Jamaica and grow. I had this experience where we went to
- me and her, why she was, you know, she was Caucasian woman. My first wife and she was a child. She from
- Chicago. She was from Minnesota originally, but she was living in Chicago. That's where we met.
- And so we went to Jamaica because my elder was like it's time for you to go to Jamaica and then that
- is happened, you know, because I was like having no money at the time and my elder was like you going
- to Jamaica in a couple months and then that is happened. This is like I think to one of the times when
- I started being aware of other spiritual people.
- too, because I would be feeling the way about something, such and such thing, had this thing on my head
- or this is your problem. And I'd be like, I'm gonna go holla at JC. And I would just run into dude.
- You feel me? Like I would turn the corner, he would be fucking there. I've had these experiences. I
- got on a train one day and went out
- go to this healing new agey place and came back from off the train and got off the train was on the
- train at the door and the doors open and the other train on the other track the doors open at the same
- time and there was JC standing there looking at me and he just looked at me and he was like and I was like okay
- That could not be no kind of coincidence. Yeah, WTF, right? Who is this guy? You know what I'm saying?
- And then the other thought in the midst of this is, I want to be like that. Not realizing I was already
- like that in essence, but not aware of that. You know what I'm saying? It's like you got a well in the
- backyard, but you just think it's a hole. So you'd be thirsty in the mud.
- This is the reality with most people you feel me hmm, they got wells But they thirsty in the world you
- feel me but I was realizing you know I realized I was already in a different kind of mind anyway like
- expanding like this something else in this world and I'm looking
- See how I'm connected to this. Yeah and so You know these kind of experiences with the brother and he
- said go to Jamaica. I'm like, okay How am I get to Jamaica, bro? I ain't got no loop to the me and sister.
- Why don't I'm going to make And at a certain point I went to this place called Bobo Hill Which is also
- called Zion It's very
- monastic kind of living like they live like literally by Leviticus by the eyeball like the women are
- you know during their time of the moon or whatever three three weeks whatever out the month you know
- a sea woman so they like monks but they still you know propagating their children you feel me and even
- that's like
- There's a whole order like you gotta go see a priest to connect with this woman to see if that's,
- you know, in alignment is strict. Wake up in the morning, you prostrate. Mind you, I dug all of this.
- You wake up in the morning, you prostrate. Noon time, you prostrate again. In the evening time, dusk,
- you prostrate again. You know what I mean?
- kind of liberty, and then there's Nyabengi drum, Rastafari drum ceremony going on. Time and time and
- all throughout the week, as well, a lot of time in the morning, you wake up on this bengi drum, so you
- got frequency, you know what I mean, eye-line frequency, spiritual frequency, first thing in the morning,
- and you waking up to that kind of vibe. Energy out there, you know, people pray in there, they've been
- doing that for
- decades upon decades is the resonance in that kind of space where. Of course. Dude, I was sitting having
- reasons with, you know, just me and John, I and John, right? Mm hmm. And it'd be thunder, bro. And no
- cloud in the sky. You gave like like, whoa, not near a cloud. You're talking about in response to
- in response to the, what the, you know, sealing the reason up is that I'm, you know, most high. Yeah.
- Sometimes you reason with a person, same thing. You hear some vibe, you know what I mean? Or some wood
- cracking, or you're like, whoa, energy like that. Yeah. And consciousness lets you know whether it's
- what it is or not. So, you know, and that's why I talk too about, I talk about often, bro,
- is that spirituality is
- extremely intimate and personal. And so nobody can like, like, that's one of the things about this channel,
- right? Like, you know, you might hear somebody talk about UFOs or anything on his, on this channel,
- but I don't attempt to qualify nobody's reality, nobody's experience. You know what I mean?
- I don't try to, yeah, I don't. If I feel like a cat talking to me about some, some as far as facts,
- he probably ain't going to be on the show, but ultimately what I'm saying is, you know what I mean? You know,
- You can, you know how you say it, it's a vibe, you know what's up, so. Indeed, indeed. So like, I'm
- up there at Bobo Hill at a certain point, I'm leaving, right? I'm going back into Montego Bay, through
- Kingston and all of that. And they have what's called Robber Barons. Yeah, for sure, I know, I'm familiar
- with them. You know about them?
- They basically post up on the road and they rob tourists basically from on the bus. It's just get right
- up on the bus and just strong on bug like that, straight G. Now I had, I was coming back. I, you know,
- this is, I just, I just started wrapping my head. I've got my head wrapped and everything coming down
- from Bobo Hill. And I got a ride staff with me.
- and I got a white pregnant queen. You're an American. Yeah, some of them mines anyway. But at the same
- time, I get on the bus, right? Big dread is driving the bus, right? Big, big old tam, right? I get on
- the back of the bus and me and her sitting there and I'm just on the bus. At a certain point, I get
- a vibe like I'm in danger.
- You feel me, bruh? Like, get this vibe. Like, I ain't no scary mug, like, you know, like that. But I
- get a vibe, like, something I need to, like, steal my energy up. So I'm in the back, and I'm basically
- just doing a heartbeat with my ride, with my staff. Right. Internally, I'm just chanting, you know.
- And we bus driver driving.
- A couple points, he gets stopped by, you know, like I said, robber barons. And one of those particular
- times, I watched the brother, the brethren's like, they see me in the back of the bus with the daughter.
- And they're like, ready to rob me. Mind you, it ain't simple anyway, but they ready to rob me.
- And brethren like, no brethren, no brethren, a man blessed, protected Aya. You see that cloud over Aya
- and I, look. I picked them up in Kingston and that cloud been following Aya and I over Aya and I had
- this whole trip. I recognized it, see? Not really, I knew there was, I did see the cloud, but I didn't
- really think about it in that term. I just was aware of,
- chanting in my head, I meant that job protect me. You feel me? Basically, I'm putting that kind of in
- vibe. And sure enough, when he mentioned it, then I'm like, whoa, snap, this is a trip. All right, so
- we get back and we get back into Montego Bay. At one point, we go to see Bob up at his place, Bob Marley's
- where he was buried at the time. And we had a trot up there, me and Bredger and Cutchy, another Bredger,
- an old elder Bredger, and Zebra. And this other Bredger, Fire. Fire was a trip. He was a little mischievous.
- But he's good-eyed, good-hearted. So they take eyeing up to see Bob and things.
- And again, as we're going up to see Bob, it's one cloud in the sky, brethren. And it's sitting right
- over Bob's spot. And we roll up there and everything. We finally get up there. I got some herb that
- we got from the farm on the way there. And I roll up, Nick Maka spliffing thing. And Light Eye and I
- spliff and get praise. I'm like super high. I'm on the rock where Bob wrote the song.
- Rockstone was my pillow, too. And I'm sitting on that rock and I'm lighting the spliff. And literally,
- I light the spliff, Reggie, and a drop of rain go pow on my nose. I'm just crying, bro, like praying
- and just crying like, oh, Bob is here. You know what I mean? I can feel his spirit.
- And then I come forward again and, you know, come back into the States. When I was up at Boba Hill,
- a lot of them wanted me to stay there and be a priest up there. And I'm like, you want to stay up here
- and be a priest? I got peoples that need to know certain, you know what I mean? There's certain realities
- in this, you know what I mean? Josh showing me things, I'm like,
- what this is wow before i left there was when i first got there to jamaica there was a mama goat and
- she had like maybe four or five six baby kids baby goats and i wanted to go pet the goats and they would
- not let me near them when i first got there it was like
- Like the bus, mama take the little goat, the baby goes, shoot, gone. But after about, like I said, a
- week or so, I'm drinking Cerisee tea and eating like tall food every day and getting, you know, sun.
- And by the time I did, the day before I left, I'm smoking a spliff up on the structure where I would
- climb up, because it was like some hotel they were gonna build, but they didn't finish building it.
- So they had a staircase and a platform, a staircase, a platform, staircase, and a platform way high
- up. So I would go up there and meditate and practice capoeira. So I did that. I was practicing capoeira,
- and then I was sitting on the step. And I look up, and the mama goat is rolling up. And she got the
- little kids.
- And I'm like, in my head, I'm like, I wonder if she'll let me bless them. Don't ask me why I had that
- thought, but that's the thought I had. And goats had a kind of long, flat nose, you know? I watched
- the goats, the little kids were like behind her, you know, to the back. I watched the mama goat.
- turn her head and take each of the little kids with his nose and push it forward towards I and each
- one walk forward to I and I. As each one walks forward, Bridget. So then I and I come forward back into
- the States off of those kind of vibes, you see? Right. And Muggs was like, one, I was two shades darker.
- So I'm my real native tone. So my energy is up on that tip, because my melon is melanated in the fullness.
- So I'm pulling in more energy on that tip. And then I come forward, I'm all rap-type vibes, like, whoa,
- what happened to you? You know what I'm saying? Most of them was like, kind of like, what happened to you?
- Right. He's different. Yeah. They see, they see guided. He always said, you know what I mean? We sat
- out front of this porch where we would all kind of, you know, kind of connect. It's at a crossroad in
- Wicker Park, little hip hop shop that is my homie owned it. And like the little guard basement with
- the Afrocentric bookstore. So we used to all kick it around that thick.
- So we were sitting out there one day on the porch and it was raining. And I had just seen this movie,
- some culture flick, where the roster man was like, with intention he could bring down lightning. And
- I was like, what? And I got that kind of mind where I'm like, well, why not? And I was sitting out there
- in the rain.
- Me and JC standing out there underneath the army. And I was thinking about this flick. And I was like,
- I wonder. And so I looked in, I put my intention. I also had the intention, mind you, that it would
- bring no harm. And I pointed at a certain area in the sky, right? And lightning came down. I'm like,
- OK. And I looked over there, and I focused.
- and I pointed and lightning came down. I looked over there and lightning came down. And JC sitting right
- next to me, I'm just a little naughty big dread, right? I'm like, dude, dude, dude, I'm doing that.
- I'm like, look, and I do the thing again, right? And he looks at me and he goes,
- and now I get it because there's certain things like like I could tell one these kind of things but
- for some people in the world it would shake their whole grid to the point where it wouldn't be conducive
- to their spiritual development in reality because they're not ready for that particular bit of meat.
- And you know, I'm, you know, I'm gonna just say this, bro, the world, so they don't, you know, people
- don't believe shit, you know, if, if, if, you know, if you don't, so, you know, they don't have, a lot
- of people don't have connections to their spiritual. Self. Yeah, their spiritual stuff, I'm trying,
- I'm trying, I'm trying, yeah. Their spiritual navigation system, that's what I, yeah, their spiritual
- navigation system. That's what I'm saying.
- you know a conversation with a person can allow for you to be able to read through the energy what's
- what you know what I'm saying if your navigation system is working is what I'm saying so cats who don't
- have no navigation system when they hear spiritual conversations it's like yeah whatever shut the fuck
- up bullshit too you see what I'm saying but you have some kind of spiritual navigation they get goosebumps
- they get affected it affects them in reality because
- the spirit that carries through in the word, the words is word, but the spirit that's in the word, the
- words behind the words tell my spirit whether it's true and then I get goose bumps. You feel me?
- The word, the truth of the divine, this is something that you touch on as deep, you know, cause I utilize
- it on one level as the awareness of that fact and just,
- when in my interactions with certain with certain ones and ones. Cause I can, this time and time and
- Bridget, I know like I'll say a certain thing in the midst of a reason, spiritual reason with someone
- and no, they felt a vibe. So often they'll do the look down thing. They'll look down at their arc cause
- they got goosebumps. You understand? So the truth penetrates a person and their soul is in there. Yeah.
- And when you speak from that, when the person is speaking, how they say in spirit and in truth, then
- it has to like, it's all kind of car. What is that? It's a train horn in the background. Oh, right now
- the soul has to resonate because it literally is its own self. It's its own essence. The truth is bounced
- at it. It's going like a tune is for, you know what I'm saying?
- 100% it must be felt on certain levels, some of that is, you know, that's why we here to a certain degree.
- I feel is that some people's catalyst to awakening. Yeah, I agree. I was talking to that casual interaction.
- It might've been, you know, nothing to I and I, but to that person. It was profound. Yeah. And it was
- their first initiation to it.
- So it could definitely be like you see a crack in the shell or a shaking of the whole frame because
- you like, my goodness, hold on, now damn. You know what I'm saying? If you've never looked beyond the
- veil, if you've never attempted to crack, you know what I'm saying? Crack that shell and see what's
- outside that mug when you do or somebody come along who brush up against you and you just, you can't
- deny it. Like you said, it touched you. In fact, this is what brought that up, the goosebump thing the
- other day. I was talking to a young cat.
- I work with, felt, you know, a farm-colored cat. And I'm telling him a story. And you know how we talk.
- It ain't even a matter of me saying, you know, like I said, what I said, I said, like, that shit really
- happened, bro. You know what I'm saying? We just say things like that, right? And he was like, no, no,
- I believe you. I know because I can tell because, like, if you were lying, I wouldn't have got goosebumps.
- Like, I got goosebumps, my whole fucking, look at my shit.
- You had to give him some kudos. I did. That's why I'm telling this story. Because a lot of our young
- people don't know to pay attention to that. Yes. Like, dude, pay attention. He was lying. He was lying.
- He was lying. I couldn't have got goosebumps. I said, go ahead, little man. Go ahead, young man. You
- see what you do. Yeah. So I approve of him. You know, I told him I ain't going to rush you. But at some
- point, I do want to have him on the channel. You know what I'm saying? He deep into the Illuminati and
- that kind of thing. So I'd like for him to do that.
- I mean, his spouse is big. That's a stage. Let him get through that because he got greater clarity to
- offer. Yeah, yeah. I see where he's going. I'm in no rush. I told him I'm in no rush. We hang out,
- so yeah. I told him I'm in no rush. The greatest maturity I and I saw that, you can't hit me with this,
- it was actually during my first travel to New Mexico where I'm at now. Young brethren, too.
- Kind of stumped, and I was old, you know.
- you know, I would start on my, you know, ministry and whatnot, start doing the whole teaching thing,
- being in culture. And the brethren walked up to me and he said, can you, but he said, but can you express
- it? And I was like, damn, yeah, you know, I'm talking God. And at that time, I mean, though I, though
- really I would have to say, you know, it wasn't the best
- he could have offered me per se. At that time, I was expressing it just, but not as deliberately and
- consciously. You understand, I was going on just pure, which is dope, don't get me wrong at all,
- on just pure, dope, raw spirit. Yeah. In spirit, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
- Do that, okay. Do that, okay. Pure, really pure obedience. Otherwise I couldn't have seen my, if you
- told me I'm gonna leave a rainbow gathering. Bro, okay, let's get to that. So at this point I had the
- kid, at a certain point, mom start acting up. So she thank the kid.
- and take him to Minnesota, unbeknownst to me, basically kidnapped him, which, you know, that's how I
- know there's a guy in my heart, because somebody else would have been like, I'm calling Popo and all
- that, but I'm just like. So how old was the kid and you and at this stage? He was like, I think at that
- point he was seven, six, yes, six, seven, six or seven.
- around that age. So you have been with her for a number of years. We're close to our kids, bro. So you
- have been with her for a number of years. So that was shaking on the heart tip for my person.
- That was like, we talk about traumas and stuff. That was definitely like, oh, my shorty, you took my
- shorty. I could never see that happening. You did. But then that also at the same time freed me up.
- And a year ago, I had on that earlier mentioned recording project with my friend, Atma, been in Minnesota
- where I met this young lady who's a rainbow person. And she was like, you gotta go to the rainbow gathering.
- I was like, well, if John calls me, then I'll be there. We'll see what y'all do. So a year before the year,
- Explain to us what the rainbow gathering is because we're dealing in a different generation. I'm going
- there too. I got it. For those that don't know what the rainbow gatherings are, there is this hope and
- prophecy that there will be these rainbow people and they will gather together to create and usher in
- peace for humanity.
- So off of that, a bunch of hippies took this prophecy, basically, and a whole bunch of other people,
- spiritual cats. The National Gathering, there's literally people from all over the world at the National
- Gatherings. So you get Indian, you know, practitioners of Sat Dharma or Hinduism, as people commonly
- know it, that are actual practitioners from India up at the Rainbow Gathering doing their thing.
- somebody from, you know, Islam, and somebody from the spiritual things, so on and so forth, to get all
- those cats into rainbow gathering. And then on the 4th of July, they all get together in a circle and
- they chant all for world peace. Beautiful. So, a year from this sister invited me to this thing, this
- brethren I know,
- This young, you know, dreadlock, I always see him in the neighborhood on his roller skates. He's that,
- he's that dreadlock. He's on his roller skates in the middle of the street with a bow staff doing like,
- you know, Kung Fu martial arts with a bow staff on roller skates going down the street. He's that dude,
- bro. And he rolls up one night.
- I was sitting in the park, I broke up with my queen and all this. I was sitting in the park wondering
- what the heck to do with life at that moment. And he rolls up to me and he's like, hey, I'm going to
- the rainbow gathering. If you got some gas money in a couple of days, you can roll with me. And I was like,
- And it dawned on me cause I was actually just like hour ago before he rolled up was thinking about,
- you know, the summer before and wondering when the rainbow gathering was. And I didn't really know what
- exact date it was. And he rolled up on me like that. And I was like, okay, God, right. Yes. I'm going
- to the rainbow gathering, the green, and you know, so I flipped that real quick, quick, made some gas
- money happen.
- And I went to the Rainbow Gathering. So when I got there, I had one of the little hemp backpacks with
- some stones in it, some crystals and whatnot, which I moved to different places. I left in different
- places in the forest. And when I left the Rainbow Gathering, before I left the Rainbow Gathering, I
- was kicking it with some elders from Taos, New Mexico. And they invited me out to Taos.
- I was like, well, I'm gonna sleep on it, I say to them, and I'll see what y'all say. So I went,
- you know, into my tent. Don't ask me how I got a tent, because I didn't have one before I got there.
- I somehow got a tent. And I went into my tent, brushed my head and thing, and I had a very clear vision
- of traveling in a white Jeep Cherokee
- with gold trim and gold spoke hubs, very clear. And so I woke up and I tabled that, you know, vision.
- And the elders was asking for help with their gear and whatnot to their car. They had big TP poles and
- all this vibe. So I was, like I said, in my 20s then. So yeah, I was like, worry, no pressure.
- So I went and, you know, helped them and I tried down to their vehicle.
- And what is the vehicle? Well, the white Jeep Cherokee with gold trim and gold spoke up. So I went to
- Taos, New Mexico. Yes, sir. Where I went to my first sweat lodge here, there in Taos. And then I connected.
- It was adopted, kind of taken in by some Tiwa people here on the rez. And so I was in the reservation,
- on the reservation probably like once or twice a month sweating.
- in the Anipi in this wet lodge for about a year or two. And I was living on the mesa in the tent and
- or ship for part of that time. At a certain point, I remember I was living on two piece mesa and somebody
- came, one of the hippie friends who came and dropped some mushroom medicine on me. And I was like, word.
- I'm gonna go and make this tea. And I have a simple intent of, I'm gonna make this tea in about maybe
- two miles or so from where I was staying at and walk. There's a Buddhist stupa. So I was gonna, I'm
- gonna walk to the stupa. This is in Taos? This is in Taos, yeah. Off the grid. Okay. And,
- So I make my tea and everything, and I put on my little jacket and whatnot. And I start trod out toward
- the stupa. You know what a stupa looks like? Yeah. I'll explain. I'll explain it later. But anyway.
- Oh yeah, because other people may not. A stupa, a Buddhist stupa, is basically a platform,
- a square platform. And it's got four columns.
- And then it's got one of those Arab-style round that comes to a point roof on it, with a statue of the
- Buddha sitting underneath it. All right, so I'll get this, you know, nearest, like, kind of holy spot.
- I'm not necessarily Buddhist or anything, though I don't, you know, I like, I dig the Buddhist principles,
- though. They're pretty fiery. They're pretty close to Rastafari in a lot of ways.
- anyhow so it was the closest like kind of holy site so that was my attempt to simply you know i'm gonna
- take this tea in and i'm gonna trot to this buddhist stupa and go you know pray so i drink my tea and
- i put on my jacket and i go trot out and i get about a block maybe a block and a half there's no actual
- blocks out there of course but maybe about a block and a half
- and it starts to flurry snow. And I'm like, got a windbreaker on and I'm like, oh snap, I'm really not,
- and it started to really speed up as the snow is. And I'm like, I'm not dressed for this. So I gotta
- go back into the warm, cozy crib, everybody in there smoking, having fun and whatnot. And I got my intent,
- my Shaman's intent.
- I'm going to do this thing. And so I did get tempted as I moved into the warm space to stay in there.
- And I was like, nah, nah, nah, something going to happen if I do this. And just, you know, be committed
- to this simple intent, something going to happen. Yeah. And so I went and I got, you know, sweater and
- heavy coat mittens and big, thick scully and tried back out. Right.
- I'm trying to get past where I was before. And it's straight up Chicago blizzarding in New Mexico out
- there. I'm like, oh, this is real. I'm like, OK.
- This is real. But then I just get determined. So now I'm super determined. I'm like, I'm going to get
- to the stupa. So I keep trying. I keep trying. I try another mile. It's coming down like big fat stick
- in your eyelashes. You know what I'm saying? Tight snowflake. I was straight trying through that. And
- I finally, I get to the stupa. And I'm like, just related to just be there. Just stupid happy. My word,
- I got here.
- So I'm just, I got my little Trinity and I'm just giving thanks. And I realized as I'm sitting there
- that there's no snow falling on my face, where it's, you know, buried. And so I opened up my eyes to
- see if it stops snowing. And I look behind the stupa, I can see the snow falling. I'm like, okay. And
- I look to the left of me and I can see snow falling.
- out there, not on me, in the stupa, and I look same way to the right and behind me, same wise, and then
- I look up, and if I were to draw a line from the point of the roof of the stupa, straight up into the
- sky, it would be in the center of this opening that had happened in the cloud over my head as I was
- sitting there praying. Wow. And I just was like,
- I'm like whoa this is this I can't believe this is this is happening right this is like I read all kind
- of spiritual autobiographies and this kind of thing bro I'm like and read of things of this nature happening
- but this is me yeah of course you dig and I'm like oh shit oh
- I just give and praise, give and praise, give and praise, you feel me? Of course. To where, and then
- I just walk home and I remember, you know, I've been told too many people and it's probably a half full
- of people I took because it's one of those things that you're only supposed to tell certain people.
- You know what I mean? Now I'm telling a mass of people, I guess,
- in a certain in a certain field in matter way where ones can realize that certain things occur in this
- reality through spirit that how they say truth is stranger than fiction they'll mean certain spiritual
- happenings that occur on the path you know i mean are
- They seem fairytale-ish even to some. No, I had a whole Mr. Spinner pop up in my life. I had animals
- and stuff start walking up to me out of the blue when I was in Chicago, man. That's when I started rooting
- up and getting deeper in my spirituality. Channing, going night being the artist by meditating. I would
- be sitting somewhere after some little, you know, works.
- on the back porch and the possum will pop out the bush and walk up to me like, hey, what's up? Like,
- hey, what's up? I'm smoking my spliff. Yeah, it was good. Look at me, I looked at Eddie, we vibed. We
- walked back out to walk in the bush, you know what I'm saying? Another time, it's a deer. You know what
- I'm saying? Another time, it's a skunk. Yeah, we've had our own experiences, like I said. We used to
- sit on the back when we was all broke. I do remember that day. Yeah, I was talking.
- Yeah, I was talking about that not long ago, and we was chanting, and I was about to leave, and the
- deer was at the door like, dog, look at this. Baby deer listening at the door. It was a little baby
- deer, bro, with spots. And it was literally like when you opened the door. Yeah, listening at the door.
- It was listening at the door, and it literally had its head cocked on the door when you opened the doorway.
- I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was in there chanting, yeah. Me and the other you, I was in there chanting
- up the Seeky vibes. That was when I was into the Seeky parties. When I was in there chanting the vibe.
- And sure enough, you went out there to check your guy, your client. They're standing at the door like,
- hey, this is tight. Y'all got the spiritual vibes going on in here. You know what I'm saying?
- Hey, that's what is you read in a book. You feel me? Yeah. We, we, cause when I left and I left,
- cause we had, we had all, we have been, we have, we have, yeah, we've been chatting for a minute. And
- when I left the first, first the deer was there that happened. Right. And then as I'm walking to my
- house, it was a man walking his dog and his dog was trying so hard to get across the street, man. Trying
- to get to me. Yeah.
- So I'm trying to get to me, bro. It was crazy. And I was like, man, that's real, bro. I remember that
- day because we reasoned about, because you asked, I and I, about communing with nature. You were very
- specific, which I always dig specific questions because Mugs be asking some broad, nebulous-ass questions.
- And then one is some kind of answering it with clarity. And I'll be like, how?
- That's been a broad-ass question like that, but when a person asks a question that's clear, you know
- what I'm saying, then it's easy, you know what I mean? Yeah. You know what I mean? People actually have
- some clarity. That was, you're one of the first people that really, you know, ask a clear question.
- You know, you know, a lot of people don't.
- as well, like when I was telling you, I was behind GE and I was praying very loudly because nobody was
- there and it was sunny and it was on the hill and then butterflies came and started surrounding me.
- Yeah, I've had some experience. Like I said, I was talking earlier to, like I said, a young lady named
- Tammy and we did an interview and I was telling her about, you know, why I think we have these experiences.
- And I think we kind of agreed because it's like,
- When you get in the muck of the matrix and the bullshit, you got to be able to remember those spiritual
- experiences to always be able to realign with self and center again and not be trapped in the muck of
- the bullshit. You know what I mean? It's a way that you always got like, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah,
- I'm connected. You know what I'm saying? It's always a way to move back into self versus being trapped.
- I don't like to call them signs per se because we don't necessarily be looking at this point I don't
- think be really looking for okay am I spiritual the signs of am I really in that kind of way you know
- I'm saying that we did when we were still younger and there's a certain uncertainty because and it still
- minds you quite the world the spiritual world vast beyond reckoning so
- But as a young person, there's a certain uncertainty at first. You're like, whoa, is this real? Whoa.
- You know what I'm saying? At first, you know what I mean? But then later on, you're not so much looking
- for signs to confirm, per se, your spirituality. But you are aware that different signs, such as timing or
- Communion with nature or nature coming to ones and ones in the form of animal or elements like the wind
- even or rain or something of this nature a leaf falling on you on your nose and specific timing with
- a specific thought going through your mind this kind of thing you you're not looking for that stuff
- to happen, but it happens because your ones and ones are I Like how to eat kings they attend to the
- to the path and not to go
- You feel me? It's the same thought that's behind you. Dig on, you know, be more excited about the journey
- to the destination, per se. Yeah. Yeah. It's just better being present. You know what I mean? Because
- most of the life is the journey. You feel me? Yeah. Yes. Of course. Yeah. Even when you get
- to the destination, here comes more journey. That's short. That's really short.
- I was talking to some shorties about this, I and I, like some youngins, and they got it. That's why
- it was such a pleasure. I told them, I was like, you know, they were old enough where one of them had
- graduated grammar school, the other one were old enough to graduate at least kindergarten. I'm like,
- think about how long it took you. It took you three or four years to finally graduate from kindergarten,
- eight years to graduate from grammar school. And then when you graduated,
- It was a day, you got some little bit of money and some tape and it was done. Pretty much. Congratulations.
- Next. You know what I'm saying? Then you're in the next journey and that's eight years to the
- next graduation. And then that's, you have that graduation, it's done. You have that day, maybe two,
- three days, everybody's like, ooh, you graduated, congratulations. Let's go go, what college are you
- going to? Do all that little excitement and that goes pretty quickly. Then you're in the next journey.
- Yeah, that's life. So, you know, if you learn how to, you know, I told you, wouldn't it be smart to
- enjoy most of the journey? They got it. They were like, that makes sense. You know, so it's kind of
- one of my focuses even in the now really is, is enjoying the, you know, journey. Yeah. Realize, oh yeah,
- that's right. I did this on purpose. Yeah. A lot, you know what I'm saying? Cause there are points in
- the journey where, you know, it's an adventure.
- Like, like you said, it's a, yeah. And at times, like I said, you can even see the lineup. You can see
- the setup. You can see how, you know what I'm saying? How, yeah, I can see how I chose all of this.
- I can see how I got here from there. Yeah. When you have those moments of clarity, it definitely helps.
- I, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm appreciative of this conversation.
- but I think it's generally more high level than the average person gonna be able to vibe with. You know
- what I'm saying? Not saying that they don't, that they won't, and that they can't, but I think in generally
- speaking, the average person is not having that level of consciousness. You know what I mean?
- Like you said, the average person is still looking for that proof of spirituality. I think that's what
- it's about to us being, you know,
- ones and ones being in our quote unquote authenticity because otherwise they don't have a window into
- that. You know what I'm saying? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And, and I'm not, yeah, I have windows. I was like,
- Oh, you don't mean I had a JC that dude kept popping up so synchronistically that I had to realize that
- God one that there was a diet and that that God and man had to be connected. Yeah, of course.
- course you did so crucial being you know what I'm saying so and I and then I see myself serving in those
- same functions essentially in this time frame you know for this or that one and you know ones and ones
- oh wow and that experience oh I remember I had this talk with JC about community I had to talk with
- JC about community right you feel me
- And then I, he explained it, you know, oh, that's all. Okay. And it was pretty much almost
- similar conversation that we had. When I had that experience and the dog was like, Hey, you were like,
- Hey, all this is telepathic energy, you know? Yeah. And that's what I'm, that's, look, this is what,
- this is one of the things I was talking about with, with the young lady, right? And actually with everybody.
- like not everybody, but probably like three people who I trust to talk about this kind of stuff, what
- I was talking about, you know, like part of what I pray about now and my meditation is to be able to
- heighten the expression of all of my senses, right? And to be able to, and so I've been doing it for
- a couple of weeks, right? And I feel like, and you know, I got to tell
- So like I'm actually becoming psychic, right? And that how it feels, what it feels like, I can explain
- what it feels like. And I think, you know, and I'm sure I'm confident the more I'll do it, the more
- all of what I'm explaining grows and becomes more, more, more energy field, right? Because it's like
- up close to me, it's like, you know, you can feel Mug walk behind you, right? You can feel that.
- And so it's like that energy, but it extends out further. So it's like the closer it is to your body
- is similar to the feeling of somebody walking behind you, but further out, it's a little less clear.
- But as I pray, the density of emotion and expression and understanding of what I'm feeling of anybody
- within the range of me is going to become more
- obvious and prevalent and less needed to be explained through words. You know what I'm saying? Yeah,
- I feel like that process is actually coming and I feel like it's something people can do that you can
- do it. You know what I'm saying? Like it's not something that you have to already have, but you can
- practice it and you can pray for it and you can be consciously. It's just a matter of- There's levels
- and degrees of it, yes. And the more intently conscious of it you are, then the more
- you awaken it or access it or, or can be conscious of it. You know what I mean? So totally. I mean,
- I live like that for the most part. I mean, a lot of when, when this or that one or come reason with
- I and I about this, not like I don't have a script. Yeah, never. You feel me? That person coming and
- I reason with them, the things that I put upon, I and I reason with them about, cause otherwise I don't,
- I would just be silent really.
- or I would sing or do some music or, you know what I'm saying? Something creative like that, if it was
- just I, and that's it. But when that person come, is the feeling where, okay, there's a certain service,
- you know what I mean? Where I and I open, I and I self, like a sacrifice, so to speak, and this tends
- to be a channel for a source. You know, cause that person have whatever blockages where they're not,
- And most of the time, when I reason in such manner with a person, I'm gonna reason with them with things
- that's upon their mind. And it's things that they did at certain points told themself, but they didn't
- listen. You know, you feel me? And sometimes I would say that to them, well, you said it to yourself,
- but you didn't pay attention. You thought you was just tripping.
- You know, so there needs some ones and ones and that's where I and I as a reality and I substance comes
- into play. As far as the evolution of humanity of people's inhumanity and things because in order to
- see this or that blind spotted off who will take and I'm paraphrasing the King actually here. It takes
- other beings.
- for this one, because this one now, everybody got a blind spot of sorts, and they might be smaller or
- bigger. That person's blind spot is different though, you feel me? So they come in contact with each
- other, they can feasibly build where neither of them has got a blind spot anymore. That being the real
- function of interactions
- Bro, that's the human species. You see, like, if you look at all of creation from the fucking quantum
- mechanic, you know, levels from the smallest thing to the planets and the universe and the cosmos, everything
- is in cooperation. Everything works together. Except the humans. You know what I mean? Even a human
- being, brethren?
- You just have to step back way. You know what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. From the God view, it's all.
- Because God is. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. You know what I'm saying? Because God is. But this is
- what we talking about. This is what we talking about. The human beings ain't even free. Yeah, yeah,
- yeah. But yeah, I fully understand what you're saying. But I'm just saying, both of them bots. Both
- of them bots, bro. Like right now, right? Like right now, you got it. And I'm saying that with all the
- love, you feel me? But a lot of them is just bots.
- flowing with programs. They don't hear their own thinking. They're not aware of their awareness to the
- degree that spirituality is even considered for most of them. Spirituality is like an extracurricular
- thing. They'll do that maybe when they get older. My sister told me that should y'all be talking about
- to most people is considered sci-fi. I said, you know what? I'm going to have to accept that because
- for us it is reality. But when you're talking to people who don't know this reality, that's just science
- fiction. Like, dog, you're talking about some bullshit that you saw on a movie or a motherfucking comic
- book. I'm talking about a man I met last week.
- We hear you saying, what are you talking about? This is real life, bro. This is an experiential thing
- you can actually have if that's what you focus on. But if you keep focusing on your phone, you'll never
- have that, bro. It's not possible. It's not part of your attention span. It's just something you can
- recognize when it comes. You know, so we sight up, you know, these different, like, nature and all these
- things. Like, you saw the same thing that I saw when I looked at an ecosystem.
- What I see basically, in essence, is all of the different parts, all the animals and all the different
- plant life, Laura and Fana, et cetera, all of it's loving itself. Even the carnivores that
- eat the non-carnivores and whatnot, because soon come, they're gonna die. When they die, they're gonna
- go into the earth and they're gonna become grass and plants and the herbivores gonna eat them.
- So it's all, and leaves fall in the fall and so forth. You dig making that blanket underneath the snow,
- all this fulfilling life. You know what I'm saying? And man- One beautiful system. The problem with
- man is that man, some of mankind, not all of them, but some of mankind is under the illusion that they
- are somehow apart from nature when they breathe oxygen and trees
- is breathing out the majority of that oxygen and they breathing in the carbon dioxide and transferring
- it back and forth and we in this coexistence. So even we as a physical being existing need like plant
- life, we'd be something without plant life and others be suffocating up in this piece. You feel it?
- That's a real, real thing. I definitely go up in some high altitudes where it's less plant life. You
- could feel the air is, you know, you get used to it, but it's different. You know what I'm saying? To
- really get used to that, you know, different air quality, even though it's cleaner because it's thinner.
- It's just the lungs get to get a little stronger when I go up in the mountains, adjusting and whatnot.
- Yes, Sir. Well, I'm going to say this because I have to bring it to a close within a couple of minutes
- here and I do want you to give any information that you might not have been able to run out or I didn't
- mention or something that's on your mind that you wanted to share before we get out of here. I take
- the biggest thing is that, you know,
- The creator, the source, how would people overstand that or name that? I say Jah, Rastafari, El-Selassie.
- And I think it's crucial for people of African descent and indigenous descent to know El-Selassie. One,
- because this is a person who had an exemplary life as a being, as a leader.
- too, if you really dig into his life, you will see that this man is not just ordinary. And it might
- get you to look inside ones and one's selves to find that same spirituality, extra-ordinary-ness that
- is our actual nature of expression.
- And the more that we are able to be other batches, we, the thumb print that we are each in every one
- of us, you know, the better that this creation would be. And the more that we look inside for God instead
- of outside, you know, that most of us been taught this religion thing to look, you know,
- outside somewhere and God is separate out in the sky and all of this vibe when how does that mean all
- the love of God you feel that where inside you the peace of God where you feel that inside you the joy
- any time any of these qualities of the creator that person could feel they're gonna feel them inside
- the person so that's how I night at heaven is is that there's this and as well this in the midst
- that a lot of us as Africans in America are quite afraid to really delve and dig on African spirituality.
- But if ones were to go to a qualified African priest to do counsel, I'm speaking specifically of Ifa,
- would find that our people, our culture, our history, our spiritual knowledge and the underpinnings
- of that are so very wise is beyond, it's an underestimation why wisdom is too small a word in actuality.
- He filled me. I did a couple of readings when I went to the, to the priest real quick. The first one
- I went, he told me my people's, he did what they call a roots reading, see where my people's come from.
- And in that reading, he said, what was shown was that we come from a, I come from a line of diviners
- and spiritual counselors from the cradle of civilization.
- At the point that he gave me this, I got this reading done, I'd already been practicing divination for
- 15 or more years, you see. So there's certain things in our bloodlines, in our spirit, in our DNA that
- were we to go to correct authority, so to speak, we could
- instead of trying to find this information, because it can be going through meditation, but it's a longer
- process. We are we as a people already came up with the processes to know, hey, this is what you're
- here for. This is your calling. This is these are your even your specific dues, things you should watch
- out for, things you should, you know, try to build as far as in your character. All these things on
- my second reading, which I recently had were
- explain so to speak that I say so to speak because all the things that were in what they call my ethyl
- or life map were things that I again had been doing. I've been wearing white for as long as you know
- me right pretty much and I found oh you should be wearing white you got this particular spirit on your
- head he likes this this energy it attracts that energy so a lot of this I say that because
- because of slavery and all the other things that occurred for 400 years plus, a lot of us are afraid
- to approach indigenous spirituality or and or African spirituality because it has been beaten into us
- a fear when the reality is that will enlighten and empower us greatly because
- Things like Ephah is like 8,000 years old, brethren. That's amazing to me, at least, that God could
- write something down 8,000 years ago about me, about you, about this person, that person, and it be
- accurate to a T. See? Hold tight, I lost sound on here. Hold on.
- I got you back. Okay. So what I was about to say is the EFA, um, what, what method do they use in the
- divination? Is it like astrology or is it what, what method of divination for the outcome of the reading?
- Well, with EFA, there's basically patterns. They either throw 16 calorie shells or they have
- on a rope type of chain, and they throw that and they look at the pattern of that, or they have what's
- called an appellate chain, which is very interesting. It's basically this certain kind of nut seed,
- and it's on a chain, it's four of them, and it's two chains. And the person would basically put it in
- their hand altogether, and then they would throw that out, and depending on how the nuts fall,
- Mm hmm. And this is a binary. This is this when you dig on it. This is the first the first binary computer
- we build binary. That was pretty yeah, pretty instantly thought, you know, the zeros and ones of a computer,
- right? Exactly. You can only get Yeah, you wait. You're a clever one. I know that. But yo, uh,
- So the first binary computer, and in this particular system, it's 16 by 16. So there are 16 major old
- dudes. And then when you multiply those 16 by 16, you get 256 permutations for old dudes. And this covers
- basically all the human experience, man, and pathways of life that people choose. OK.
- And so these were written, like I said, 8,000 years ago or more. And so that's amazing. When we cite
- up things like the scripture, it lines up with the Bible even in the sense that the Bible says you were
- called and preordained before you were clothed in your mother's flesh. This literally, when I go in
- and got a reading done and it said something about,
- me and this was written 8 000 it literally is the real deal um manifestation of that scriptural reality
- and it's been this way since and it doesn't mean per se that a person's life is utterly deterministic
- you understand me of course of course there's choices in all these things and sacrifices and so forth
- many of which are
- you know, of character, how we treat people. Like one of my things is I'm not supposed to speak harshly,
- for example. Let my words be sweet. That's one of my taboos is to not, you know, cause I will pay and
- it's been true in my life times where I really like snapped out. Yeah. We learned from the wisdoms of
- our mistakes. Like somebody else do the same thing and not get the same kind of, you know,
- because there's certain energies, depending on what we've chosen as spirits. Yes. That's what we were
- talking about earlier. Like you can't mess around with. You're not supposed to go to hell. Hey, you
- need to go to heaven. Some people say, Hey, this is heaven. You were supposed to create heaven. So yeah.
- Oh, did I lose him? It looks like I lost the brother for a minute. Is he gone? Well, okay. Oh, okay.
- He's back. He's back.
- All as well, all as well. Okay, well, it's good. It's about time to wrap it up. Anyway, I'd have to,
- you know, tend to some other things, but I definitely enjoyed this conversation and I look forward to
- doing it sooner than later. And yeah, anything else you wanted to get out before we get off of here?
- I think that's all we can cover in this in the midst of this, you know, like you said, my story is long,
- but I wanted to, you know, hit some
- fine points mostly again and it's not about so much about me as it was is about like we like one say
- we one do these does these kind of things feasibly to inspire other ones and ones that are you know
- seeking or on the path already you know need some affirmation still like the young brother you were
- talking about
- to speak to someone older or to have somebody older speaking even and be like, yo, you're not tripping
- young, keep on it. It's all good. You're not freaking, you're just going into another, you're entering
- into a spiritual realm on earth. You're into heaven on earth. So don't trip, keep on walking. Well,
- everyone, I'm glad you all were here. I hope you all can share.
- Uh, join the channel, man. I don't know y'all missing a lot. There's so much good wisdom coming out
- of these people. I'm interviewing it. I don't intend to stop. I intend to do interviews and then we'll
- do sessions on different specific topics. And this is going to continue to grow. So I would appreciate,
- uh, all of your participation, your sharing your thumbs up, your likes and subscribe.
- Yeah, your comments as well. You know, you've had experiences and I'm sure, you know, some of these
- things probably tapped you on the shoulder. So if so, please comment and be involved. But like I always
- say, all roads lead to spirit and I will see you guys in the next one and hopefully that'll be soon.
- So peace out, one love. Bless the love and light all the while, Jah. Rastafari. Salam alaikum all as well.
- One love. One love.