WEBVTT 00:00:05.314 --> 00:00:12.712 - All right, here we are. This is a live stream. We are here today with my brethren. And of course, 00:00:12.712 --> 00:00:20.413 - you know me, I am your host. You are probably familiar with me, Brother Siddique. Today we are in the 00:00:20.413 --> 00:00:27.962 - house with one of my elders, OG Abba Ras Nibbanan Tafari. Definitely obviously one of the elders of 00:00:27.962 --> 00:00:32.190 - the Ras Tafari movement and mission towards this world. 00:00:32.578 --> 00:00:40.737 - Uh, the brother got a lot to share with us. Uh, his story is long and we are here today and we are live. 00:00:40.737 --> 00:00:48.740 - And so I'm quite excited that the brother is here. Welcome my big brother. Hey, before we get started, 00:00:48.740 --> 00:00:56.666 - a little participation with you, my brethren. Yeah. Three words together in truth and in spirit. It's 00:00:56.666 --> 00:01:01.406 - a simple word. You already know ABBA three times. Yes. ABBA. 00:01:02.146 --> 00:01:16.084 - Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, 00:01:16.084 --> 00:01:28.382 - Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, 00:01:29.762 --> 00:01:38.013 - to be one of your interviewees, by golly. Always, always. You're my humble bit of walk, I would say, 00:01:38.013 --> 00:01:46.672 - on this journey. It's still a journey, of course, because I'm still pushing there. Where you wanna start, 00:01:46.672 --> 00:01:49.694 - bro? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm always... 00:01:50.242 --> 00:01:56.086 - I'm always enamored with your wisdom, so you know, it's very hard for me to cut you when you're speaking, 00:01:56.086 --> 00:02:02.040 - but yeah, let me take my show over, brother. What you doing here? Do your thing, do your thing, my brother. 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:07.774 - It's all love, it's all love, y'all. You know that, you know that. We've been doing the knowledge since 00:02:07.774 --> 00:02:13.342 - the day we met, you know what I mean? And, uh, nothing but appreciation and love between us and, uh, 00:02:13.698 --> 00:02:19.916 - Yeah, where do we start? It's so much, I got stories that we could share to the people about things 00:02:19.916 --> 00:02:26.445 - that we've done and experiences that we've had together, but I think I should start where I always start 00:02:26.445 --> 00:02:32.787 - with all my guests and be fair to the world and the public and the millions who may be watching this. 00:02:32.787 --> 00:02:39.067 - Where did your first spiritual experience happen? Where did it start? How did you know something was 00:02:39.067 --> 00:02:42.238 - going on outside of what is considered the normal? 00:02:42.338 --> 00:02:53.503 - everyday experience of the muggles. Inside joke, y'all. Inside joke. Don't be too hard on the blood. 00:02:53.503 --> 00:03:05.110 - Love, it's all love. You know it's all love. I just had to get that one in here. Blessed love and light, 00:03:05.110 --> 00:03:11.742 - I tell you. Yes, you know. The first experience. Wow. Yeah. 00:03:12.354 --> 00:03:20.961 - It's interesting because at a certain point, I think we were having a spiritual, I say we, because I 00:03:20.961 --> 00:03:29.908 - think you shared some of the similar in the sense of things happening at a young age. I don't even know, 00:03:29.908 --> 00:03:38.430 - I wouldn't have even called it spiritual per se. You know what I'm saying? To me, it was just life. 00:03:39.522 --> 00:03:45.133 - You understand? And I thought everybody was kind of like, in a way, this way. I mean, maybe that's a 00:03:45.133 --> 00:03:50.800 - bit egoistic, but that's how kids, most kids are. They just kind of looking through that vision. They 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:56.411 - kind of seeing like God, everything is just, you know, reflections of the one. Yeah, you don't, when 00:03:56.411 --> 00:04:01.967 - you a kid, it is, you think everyone is just like you. You don't imagine that nobody sees the world 00:04:01.967 --> 00:04:07.134 - differently than you do. That's why they less hateful, you feel me? Even the big ones, like, 00:04:07.554 --> 00:04:14.626 - That's the big one, yo. That's why they call we hydrant, you know, even no matter, you see elder there, 00:04:14.626 --> 00:04:21.426 - somebody might walk up to her and I call her a hydrant thing, but it's not an insult. It is a thing 00:04:21.426 --> 00:04:28.430 - of knowing that you're a child of the most high. It is in that sense. So we all hydrant, no matter how 00:04:28.430 --> 00:04:33.054 - big or how elevated or attained or what have you, somebody may get. 00:04:35.106 --> 00:04:44.922 - but the first thing i think i remember i was seven and both my parents smoked herbs so there was incense 00:04:44.922 --> 00:04:54.270 - and incense boats in the house available so i got some incense and i sat myself you know with a rec 00:04:54.270 --> 00:04:57.822 - spine on the wall and i got my little 00:04:58.306 --> 00:05:05.631 - which I didn't even know at that time, but something just was like, this is the right way. I'm going 00:05:05.631 --> 00:05:12.884 - to hold my hands like this and I'm going to sit down and I'm going to just sit here and let my mind 00:05:12.884 --> 00:05:20.355 - be still basically. And what occurred as I went to sit was my mom started strolling because I'm in the 00:05:20.355 --> 00:05:24.126 - crib, you know. So she's strolling by me sitting on 00:05:25.506 --> 00:05:35.305 - And she's like, you're seven and she's like, what? And I'm seven, bro. And she's black. Like, you know 00:05:35.305 --> 00:05:44.914 - what I'm saying? She's a black woman. And she's like, what you doing? I'm pretty much verbatim. What 00:05:44.914 --> 00:05:54.238 - you doing? And I said to her and my little kid, I'm meditating. And she was like, no, you're not. 00:05:54.818 --> 00:06:03.363 - Because she was very staunchly at that time, especially atheists and whatnot. She was all in the civil 00:06:03.363 --> 00:06:11.907 - rights movement, and she got into the whole Marxist vibe. So she was pretty atheist at that particular 00:06:11.907 --> 00:06:20.452 - time in life, especially. And I said to her, I'm meditating. She said, no, you're not. And I was like, 00:06:20.452 --> 00:06:22.526 - yes, I am. Watch. Watch. 00:06:23.234 --> 00:06:34.758 - And I shut my mind down. I remember as a little, as a child, just, you know, still in my mind. You feel 00:06:34.758 --> 00:06:46.613 - me till it was just quiet, utterly. And when you do that, a person can feel that. You did, it's a palpable 00:06:46.613 --> 00:06:50.270 - feeling, even if they ain't real 00:06:50.530 --> 00:06:57.276 - Because everybody's really spiritual, because how they pushing air, how they breathing air, and they 00:06:57.276 --> 00:07:04.156 - heartbeat, and they spiritual. But of course. They connected in that essential way that all beings and 00:07:04.156 --> 00:07:10.970 - all creation is part of consciousness that's from the source. Hey, you know. So she thought that. She 00:07:10.970 --> 00:07:17.850 - looked at me, bro, and she was kind of freaked. But she went away. She was like, you're crazy. And she 00:07:17.850 --> 00:07:18.718 - walked away. 00:07:19.714 --> 00:07:27.421 - You crazy, get out of here. All right. Say, boy, you crazy, get out of here. With a shell, baby. 00:07:27.421 --> 00:07:35.525 - You feel me? I could have crushed some kids, some young spiritual aspirant. You know, I had a similar 00:07:35.525 --> 00:07:44.185 - experience. I don't know, I may have been eight years old. And my uncle, my uncle was always into meditation 00:07:44.185 --> 00:07:45.854 - and human, you know, 00:07:46.050 --> 00:07:52.713 - capabilities and spirit and things of that nature. And so we used to spend the weekend over his house, 00:07:52.713 --> 00:07:59.181 - you know, my cousin Theo and Emmanuel and Jean, Tina, all of us, we spent the night over my uncle's 00:07:59.181 --> 00:08:05.844 - house. And so, you know, he, he devised things for us to do. So one night he had us meditating, right? 00:08:05.844 --> 00:08:12.571 - He had his speaker, he had his microphone. He'd taken us through a guided meditation, basically, right? 00:08:12.571 --> 00:08:15.870 - You know what I'm saying? I'm like seven or eight. 00:08:16.194 --> 00:08:21.689 - Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I'm like seven or eight. So I'm like, you know what I'm saying? So I, you know, 00:08:21.689 --> 00:08:27.238 - I'm one of the men in my life who molded me. So it's like looking at him, you know, he's like a strong 00:08:27.238 --> 00:08:32.679 - dude, you know, all the, all the men in my store kind of kind of stocky built dudes. So I'm thinking 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:38.443 - like, Hey, if this is what he do, you know, I'm trying to be like him. So I'm into everything he's saying. 00:08:38.443 --> 00:08:41.406 - I'm following, I'm following, I'm following, you know, 00:08:41.730 --> 00:08:48.504 - As an adult, now I'm an adult, I understand he was really just getting us to go to sleep. He didn't 00:08:48.504 --> 00:08:55.685 - go to sleep. Everybody else went to sleep. I didn't go to sleep. He was shocked. He was on the mic saying 00:08:55.685 --> 00:09:02.595 - his thing. He was like, Flint. And then he called me again and I turned to him and he was like, what? 00:09:02.595 --> 00:09:07.134 - Like, you woke? Like, yo, you really, like, you really doing that? 00:09:07.394 --> 00:09:13.909 - Yeah, I remember that because you mentioned you was like seven or eight years old. Yeah, I was I was 00:09:13.909 --> 00:09:20.939 - I was eight years old. I think when I was at Unk House when I actually probably had my first real meditative 00:09:20.939 --> 00:09:27.969 - experience and I totally forgot about it until you mentioned it. See and then this is some of the experience 00:09:27.969 --> 00:09:34.419 - that I've noticed too is I'll mention certain things because certain stuff we keep real buried in a 00:09:34.419 --> 00:09:35.774 - way memories because 00:09:36.802 --> 00:09:44.451 - in the world, if we were to express that openly, often we would be taught mad. Not that I care, 00:09:44.451 --> 00:09:52.737 - mind you, at this point. Mugs think what they want to think, whatever. Good luck with that. That's they 00:09:52.737 --> 00:10:01.342 - car, Mike. I love the world, but every person who I interview has that recognition that the world says, oh, 00:10:01.442 --> 00:10:07.865 - You know, they might call me crazy. They might say, you know what I mean? Every one of us, bro. You 00:10:07.865 --> 00:10:14.352 - have to realize it. That's part of being able to be in any degree of enlightened and still be in the 00:10:14.352 --> 00:10:20.968 - world and functioning as we're supposed to function as lights and beacons and guides and word speakers 00:10:20.968 --> 00:10:27.262 - and true speakers and so forth and whatever, you know, because we all got, you know how they say, 00:10:27.522 --> 00:10:33.758 - There's different dispensations of faith because there's myriad different callings that the source has 00:10:33.758 --> 00:10:39.812 - for all the ones in one. You know what I mean? And so there's the nature of our being, but a lot of 00:10:39.812 --> 00:10:46.168 - we, I know this is called pretty young, you know, and the nature of it is, it's like what the scriptures 00:10:46.168 --> 00:10:52.283 - say, man. The scripture says, I knew you before you were clothed in flesh in your mother's womb. You 00:10:52.283 --> 00:10:56.702 - were called and foreordained. So a lot of these things even down to you, 00:10:57.026 --> 00:11:04.559 - Like you attracted the uncle that would do a guided meditation with you. You feel me? That was part 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:12.243 - of the track. That wasn't, he was, yeah, he was, in a way he was like us, but then, you know what I'm 00:11:12.243 --> 00:11:19.927 - saying? And he had a moment with some shorty and he was like, aw, I'm gonna do my best to put some of 00:11:19.927 --> 00:11:26.782 - this on him. As this thing go put some fat on their head. You know how old heads say that. 00:11:27.042 --> 00:11:34.194 - Put the bat on his head. And then he cited, you know, one actually had, you know, some aptitude, the 00:11:34.194 --> 00:11:41.417 - ability to stay awake because it takes a certain amount of like power. That's not, you know, the same 00:11:41.417 --> 00:11:48.357 - kind of power that the world thinks of as power, force. It takes a certain amount of inner power. 00:11:48.357 --> 00:11:55.651 - You relax, you know what I'm saying? And your nature is when most people get very, very, very relaxed, 00:11:55.651 --> 00:11:56.926 - they go to sleep. 00:11:57.218 --> 00:12:04.577 - So it takes a certain inner strength to like, no, I'm going to maintain being aware while I'm very, 00:12:04.577 --> 00:12:12.010 - very super relaxed and calm in this state of being. So it takes a certain inner power, you know what 00:12:12.010 --> 00:12:19.737 - I mean? And that's some of what you can see, how you can see, I and I cite different degrees of maturity 00:12:19.737 --> 00:12:26.654 - and development from individual to individual, you know, because I met one cat, good example. 00:12:26.786 --> 00:12:36.321 - of not meditation. He's like, yeah, I like to meditate, you know. I get in the tub and I light my candles. 00:12:36.321 --> 00:12:45.589 - And then next thing you know, I'm asleep. I was like, nah, bruh. And I was eager, bruh. I felt a little 00:12:45.589 --> 00:12:53.342 - way, but that's some of what it is, though, is to be the truth. We're like, nah, bruh. 00:12:53.538 --> 00:12:59.765 - You started off pretty good, but when you went to sleep, that's where you stopped meditating. You didn't 00:12:59.765 --> 00:13:05.815 - went into sleepitation there. That's not, you got to be awake to be actually meditating. My brother's 00:13:05.815 --> 00:13:11.924 - saying, man, I get that too. I get me some kind of what? They say you don't have it. And I was feeling 00:13:11.924 --> 00:13:18.032 - them, bro, because I like to come into my spot to meditate. My God, yeah. You know, man, I was feeling 00:13:18.032 --> 00:13:20.286 - about this boy when he went to sleep. 00:13:20.578 --> 00:13:30.705 - Yeah, I agree. I agree, bro. So it was like, oh, we're out of here. I was hyped with them, right? Right. 00:13:30.705 --> 00:13:40.640 - That's not the goal, bro. No, that's not the goal. Like, I'm out of here. Like, okay. I point this out 00:13:40.640 --> 00:13:47.102 - because I think, in fact, I feel to know that at a very young age, 00:13:49.154 --> 00:13:59.074 - to some degree, at least. I was still a child, so I still went through the stages of being a child and 00:13:59.074 --> 00:14:08.993 - everything. Of course. But I was aware of... More. More, yes, and a certain genus equae, as the French 00:14:08.993 --> 00:14:18.046 - would say, a certain essential quality that is just, I'm different. Like Kendrick Lamar said, 00:14:18.242 --> 00:14:26.526 - They not like us. And I knew I was a part of some us. I hadn't found that us yet. You did. But I knew 00:14:26.526 --> 00:14:34.729 - I was a part of some us, something already that's bigger than me. So after seven and that experience 00:14:34.729 --> 00:14:41.470 - with your mom and you recognizing that you could sink out of this world into self, 00:14:42.082 --> 00:14:48.951 - how did that, what did that do for you? What did it, did it transform you to, to move differently, to 00:14:48.951 --> 00:14:56.157 - think differently, to see differently, or was there just regular life and then another experience happened 00:14:56.157 --> 00:15:03.161 - or? I think I just did, you know, a bit, the nature of it is ones and ones like we, as Rasta and I say, 00:15:03.161 --> 00:15:10.164 - it's an inborn inception, inception. We're called and so some is there's a certain knowingness, I would 00:15:10.164 --> 00:15:11.646 - call it. That's just, 00:15:11.906 --> 00:15:18.078 - kind of part of you, part I, you know what I'm saying, where later on you figure out other people are 00:15:18.078 --> 00:15:24.251 - different because first you think everybody, at least that's what I thought, everybody's like me, you 00:15:24.251 --> 00:15:30.423 - know what I'm saying, everybody's, you know, got some, you know, like I heard your one brother and he 00:15:30.423 --> 00:15:36.717 - was saying everybody might have some, you know, inner dialogue at times anyway. Whereas, you know, most 00:15:36.717 --> 00:15:39.198 - people I came to realize over, you know, 00:15:39.490 --> 00:15:46.603 - time and lots of conversation. This is like, well, it's like maybe grammar school, high school really 00:15:46.603 --> 00:15:53.645 - that most people are not aware of what they think. You feel me? Whereas I'm like, that shit is like, 00:15:53.645 --> 00:16:01.037 - it's like the video screen almost in a way. Like I'm very aware. Okay. I'm having this particular thought 00:16:01.037 --> 00:16:05.918 - right now. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes I have a conversation. 00:16:07.330 --> 00:16:13.831 - with, you know, because sometimes that thought's coming from a higher space of I, and I'm aware of that, 00:16:13.831 --> 00:16:20.208 - and it's a conversation between I and my higher self, or God, as some would call it, because God don't 00:16:20.208 --> 00:16:26.770 - sound different inside you most of the time. It's gonna speak with your voice, cause you're most familiar 00:16:26.770 --> 00:16:33.023 - with that. Or somebody else's voice that you become spiritually close with. It may speak the spirit. 00:16:33.023 --> 00:16:36.862 - It may speak inside someone's head. I've had that experience. 00:16:37.666 --> 00:16:45.612 - Um expressed to me from other ones at once and they'd be like dude I heard you you said such and such 00:16:45.612 --> 00:16:53.402 - and such and I was like Word that sounds like I and I was like, that's the father, you know Because 00:16:53.402 --> 00:17:01.269 - the father will utilize whatever path of least resistance To get the soul of message if that happens 00:17:01.269 --> 00:17:06.878 - to be a relationship that that person has with this or this or that one 00:17:07.298 --> 00:17:14.561 - then so be it, they'll use that particular relationship in the sense of that person's voice, or that 00:17:14.561 --> 00:17:21.823 - person might even appear, or you might be in a spiritual experience with that particular individual, 00:17:21.823 --> 00:17:28.510 - so that we get more and more this, there's a big black cat that just walked up, straight up. 00:17:28.510 --> 00:17:34.910 - That's what's up. Say you vibin'. Say you vibin'. Yeah, you feel it, you just walked up, 00:17:35.842 --> 00:17:43.454 - that energy in the atmosphere. You feel it. But check me out. You got to give us, you got to give us 00:17:43.454 --> 00:17:51.216 - a timeline of your spiritual development and growth. That's the idea. So we started early at seven and 00:17:51.216 --> 00:17:59.054 - I was like deep into martial arts and this kind of thing. And I was specifically really into the energy 00:17:59.054 --> 00:18:04.254 - aspects of martial arts. You know what I'm saying? The Qigong stuff. 00:18:04.578 --> 00:18:12.737 - where you see some, you know, old Chinese master like push like 10 dudes freaking a yard away. You know 00:18:12.737 --> 00:18:20.975 - what I mean? Like with some energy. I'm like, wait a minute that something in me was like, that is real. 00:18:20.975 --> 00:18:28.507 - Yeah. Whereas somebody else might've been like, Oh, that's some scam, you know, vibe like that. 00:18:28.507 --> 00:18:33.214 - And so I, you know, kept pursuing martial arts started with 00:18:33.570 --> 00:18:41.492 - Taekwondo at first for like a couple of years, then got out of that and then was basically a B-boy. 00:18:41.492 --> 00:18:49.493 - And that was my, you know, hardcore self-discipline was being a B-boy. Cause I would come home after 00:18:49.493 --> 00:18:57.731 - soccer practice. That was two hours. So I would be a little tired and then come home and rep two, three 00:18:57.731 --> 00:18:59.870 - hours till moms come home. 00:19:00.514 --> 00:19:08.777 - drive my downstairs neighbor crazy, doing windmills and shit. Until I got it perfected, you feel like 00:19:08.777 --> 00:19:16.959 - that. Yeah, you know, you know, I know about them days. Yeah, that was, that was our era. That's not 00:19:16.959 --> 00:19:25.384 - like, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. But that mastery process, so that was my, really my first deep dive 00:19:25.384 --> 00:19:29.758 - into self-discipline. As an individual, I was already 00:19:30.018 --> 00:19:36.656 - That's curious because, you know, I was also a B-boy or whatever, but I never really can, I never considered 00:19:36.656 --> 00:19:42.868 - a discipline. You know what I mean? It was, it was just the natural flow of energy. You know what I'm 00:19:42.868 --> 00:19:49.079 - saying? And the times we was in for me, I never really considered a discipline. And I guess it had to 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:55.169 - be, it had to be, because ultimately, like I said, I was the, I was the cat in the neighborhood who 00:19:55.169 --> 00:19:59.006 - did the windmill and the back speed. You know what I'm saying? 00:19:59.138 --> 00:20:05.483 - And so I have my pop lock in here. I have my pop lock in here. So yeah, it took some definite discipline 00:20:05.483 --> 00:20:11.707 - to be better than the other cats at what you're doing. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Rep, 00:20:11.707 --> 00:20:17.871 - rep, rep, rep. So you get that issue. I got to think about it. I'm going to just crush them up. Yeah, 00:20:17.871 --> 00:20:23.551 - you used it 100%, bro. So yeah, it was definitely a discipline. But it's curious that I never 00:20:23.551 --> 00:20:26.814 - even considered, you know, I never even looked at it. 00:20:27.714 --> 00:20:35.708 - That's a training you always saying that like it's a whole bunch of things on the loader and I side 00:20:35.708 --> 00:20:44.181 - up that Babylon trained us to think of certain Iseps in a certain way one Because they will be empowering 00:20:44.181 --> 00:20:52.495 - especially to people of color black black folks of African descent. It would be empowering to know that 00:20:52.495 --> 00:20:53.374 - discipline 00:20:53.826 --> 00:21:00.493 - can act self-discipline can actually be something you enjoy. Oh yeah. We got fed the concept 00:21:00.493 --> 00:21:07.662 - of self-discipline being something heavy and arduous and laborous and unpleasant. Most of us in the 00:21:07.662 --> 00:21:15.333 - world, when you look out the world, even the word responsibility is, you know, I look at it as the ability 00:21:15.333 --> 00:21:20.638 - to respond, which is something I like to have all the while. You feel me? 00:21:20.898 --> 00:21:28.066 - But the way that the world colors it is something to be shunned. You ain't gotta tell me. Accountability 00:21:28.066 --> 00:21:34.961 - as well, right? It's in the same boat. You don't understand. Shunned or run from. You see? And these 00:21:34.961 --> 00:21:41.924 - are the things that's going on in reality. Empower the human being. Empower the spiritual being to be 00:21:41.924 --> 00:21:49.502 - their full authentic spiritual self. While on earth, skip waiting to die. Go to heaven. Be on heaven or earth. 00:21:50.114 --> 00:21:56.564 - That's what, you know, I figured that out. You know, I, I feel early in it cause I, and I partially 00:21:56.564 --> 00:22:03.013 - because my mom was an atheist. Right. I didn't have a particular spiritual or religious doctrine or 00:22:03.013 --> 00:22:10.044 - I had, you know, I had a Christian family. They're black. They were definitely back there and they wouldn't, 00:22:10.044 --> 00:22:14.494 - but they were definitely also spiritually minding actually lived it. 00:22:15.554 --> 00:22:21.570 - You know, so I came up with that kind of experience rather than, oh yeah, he say he Christian, but he 00:22:21.570 --> 00:22:27.645 - out there doing all kinds of dirt. No, I had, I had actually Christian people and they were spiritual. 00:22:27.645 --> 00:22:33.543 - I used to see my grandmother go out, feed people out her back, out her back door. You did take him, 00:22:33.543 --> 00:22:39.854 - don't take a plate out there. Kristen, don't take a plate out there to some of us always out there waiting 00:22:39.854 --> 00:22:44.926 - for you to take a plate. You know, enough times. So she wouldn't, she did them works. 00:22:45.346 --> 00:22:51.852 - And she sent people, you know what I'm saying? She helped people when she could. She didn't just say, 00:22:51.852 --> 00:22:58.358 - I'm a Christian. I'm good. Me, I'm saved. You know what I'm saying? She did the actual thing of being 00:22:58.358 --> 00:23:05.247 - Christly. You know, not to say she was perfect, but you know what I mean? Overall, she was like a grandma's 00:23:05.247 --> 00:23:11.945 - grandma, too. Like, she did all the things, bro. Sew, cook, make clothes, everything. She was old school 00:23:11.945 --> 00:23:15.070 - like that. And then my grandfather was a deacon. 00:23:16.386 --> 00:23:24.322 - And he was like, I think he was the strong, silent type of cat. So I think I got a lot from him because 00:23:24.322 --> 00:23:31.342 - he appeared in Lou mostly because he was tired. Because like a lot of us, we work two jobs. 00:23:31.342 --> 00:23:38.972 - We come home, go to sleep, wake up, go to the next job, filming. So that was like one of my molding 00:23:38.972 --> 00:23:45.534 - experiences in the sense of like, I found out like as a 30 year old something person, 00:23:46.338 --> 00:23:55.743 - Not 20 20 No younger 17 we were staying with him me and my mom and my sister stand with my grandparents 00:23:55.743 --> 00:24:04.786 - for a time and One night he was uncharacteristically energetic And he did a pratfall in front of us 00:24:04.786 --> 00:24:14.462 - What's that rough? You know, it's like, you know how the comedians they'll fall without hurting themselves 00:24:14.946 --> 00:24:21.443 - Okay, right, right, right. A comic fall, crap fall. Right, right. He's like, yeah, he just pulled his 00:24:21.443 --> 00:24:27.813 - chair off from under himself. He's like, you know, I'm young and he's my age now. You know what I'm 00:24:27.813 --> 00:24:33.736 - saying? I'm like, whoa. My granddad just did that in front of me. He's like, yeah, I used to 00:24:33.736 --> 00:24:40.552 - be in Vaudeville. I was like, whoa, where is all this coming from? You know what I'm saying? So I realized 00:24:40.552 --> 00:24:42.590 - there's just facets of him that 00:24:43.042 --> 00:24:50.532 - us grandkids never knew because he was in the slave all the time. You see, so it basically kind of stole 00:24:50.532 --> 00:24:57.950 - us knowing him as a person, as a soul, as an actual person. You know what I mean? Because he was always 00:24:57.950 --> 00:25:05.154 - at work. Came home, go to sleep, wake up, eat, go to work. Yeah, I know those. I remember that. So I 00:25:05.154 --> 00:25:10.718 - saw that and I was like, it's got to be, you know, and then I saw him retire. 00:25:11.362 --> 00:25:17.776 - And then three or four years later, he was, he passed. He's transitioned. This is the story. And this 00:25:17.776 --> 00:25:24.064 - story is like, man, Hollywood ain't going to make that movie because it's been seen too many times. 00:25:24.064 --> 00:25:30.352 - You feel me? Bug retired. It's the American dream. He retired and he took three or four years later 00:25:30.352 --> 00:25:36.891 - dead or something. Yeah. You gave your life to the system. That's what they do, man. Most of the years, 00:25:36.891 --> 00:25:38.526 - you know what I'm saying? 00:25:38.626 --> 00:25:46.567 - And then they don't, you know, know how to take care of, they've been eating the food, soul food, so-called 00:25:46.567 --> 00:25:54.068 - soul food, killing us, all their lives. So by that time, most of us, you know, body been deteriorated 00:25:54.068 --> 00:26:01.568 - and they don't know how to build it back up. So I saw all that, that was formative for me to look at. 00:26:01.568 --> 00:26:07.230 - I'm like, man, I want to be, I want to work for God. One, cause most people, 00:26:07.810 --> 00:26:15.061 - you know, they have varying degrees of trustworthiness, just straight up from, you know, the soul's 00:26:15.061 --> 00:26:22.239 - perspective, not like my ego's perspective or my spiritual being's perspective. Yeah, that person, 00:26:22.239 --> 00:26:29.781 - I can, you know, each person, you know, you talk to a person and you can see they being as real as they 00:26:29.781 --> 00:26:33.406 - can be. You know what I mean? If they knew how to 00:26:33.698 --> 00:26:39.927 - express their fullness of themselves without, you know, quote unquote filter, they would, but it's been 00:26:39.927 --> 00:26:46.096 - ingrained on them so hard it take, you know, some serious like we gonna have to go up in the mountains 00:26:46.096 --> 00:26:52.266 - somewhere in the cave, bro. You know what I'm saying? Extreme away from the world to shake unlearn and 00:26:52.266 --> 00:26:58.495 - learn relearn they who they are actually are. You know what I'm saying? And be that being. Yeah, that's 00:26:58.495 --> 00:27:01.310 - that came up in the interview today, actually. 00:27:01.922 --> 00:27:09.093 - I interviewed a young lady who went to Bali and she had plenty of major spiritual experiences and saw 00:27:09.093 --> 00:27:16.334 - Jesus and saw Buddha. You should check the video, it's pretty good. But what we were talking about was 00:27:16.334 --> 00:27:23.505 - people, you know, life itself is that people aren't expressing themselves to the fullness of who they 00:27:23.505 --> 00:27:27.934 - are. And generally speaking, they don't do it because of fear. 00:27:28.354 --> 00:27:34.227 - right? What your mama gonna say, what your girlfriend gonna say, what your brother gonna say, what people 00:27:34.227 --> 00:27:39.934 - gonna say, the church gonna say, school gonna say, you know what I'm saying? What all of these outside 00:27:39.934 --> 00:27:45.032 - perspectives are doing to mold your internal self. And so you, you never get to your Jordan 00:27:45.032 --> 00:27:50.572 - level achievements. You never reach your Elon Musk level achievements because you're not willing to 00:27:50.572 --> 00:27:56.224 - express yourself to your fullness. And I think to express yourself to your fullness is a necessity in 00:27:56.224 --> 00:27:57.886 - reaching your full potential. 00:27:59.746 --> 00:28:07.762 - I think they go hand in hand. I don't think you can do one without the other. It's nearly impossible. 00:28:07.762 --> 00:28:15.856 - I mean, the whole process, if you want to call it a process or the journey, is, you know how they talk 00:28:15.856 --> 00:28:24.264 - about in the eyeball, they talk about the garden of Eden and so forth. And I cite that it's really talking 00:28:24.264 --> 00:28:27.486 - about a natural process of spirituality, 00:28:27.586 --> 00:28:34.947 - movement from and then to spirituality in order the movement from in order to know oh that was spirit 00:28:34.947 --> 00:28:42.380 - you know i'm saying you have to have you have to know wet to know what dry is of course you understand 00:28:42.380 --> 00:28:49.668 - so that contrast of when we proverbially leave the garden of eden and then we wake up to the reality 00:28:49.668 --> 00:28:53.854 - of hey i was in the garden of eden i'm trying to get back 00:28:54.434 --> 00:29:03.887 - Right. And then the process of getting forward in oneself to where once in that Edenic state of consciousness 00:29:03.887 --> 00:29:12.567 - again, which is actually, you know, a reality of possibility that isn't taught to us in any type of, 00:29:12.567 --> 00:29:22.622 - um, formal education or even I would say religious education really outside of, you know, certain spiritual circles. 00:29:23.490 --> 00:29:30.136 - And that's why this show exists, because the whole idea is to bring spirituality out of the closet and 00:29:30.136 --> 00:29:36.846 - make it plain in everyday conversation where it's not some big mystery, some big, you know what I mean, 00:29:36.846 --> 00:29:43.686 - some big secret in the closet, some, oh, only you gotta know some special dude to understand your spirit. 00:29:43.686 --> 00:29:50.590 - No, bro, you are the spirit. You wake up every day. Like you said, there is nothing that is foreign to you 00:29:50.786 --> 00:29:58.167 - that needs to be taught to you about your spirit, bro. You know what I'm saying? And so for me, 00:29:58.167 --> 00:30:06.318 - it's sad. To me, it's sad, bro, because when you look at the overarching social situation, you understand 00:30:06.318 --> 00:30:14.314 - that majority of people will probably never be able to express themselves to the fullness of themselves 00:30:14.314 --> 00:30:20.158 - because they have this social concept that I ain't shit. I'm a born sinner. 00:30:20.322 --> 00:30:27.839 - and I got to get right to get right. You know what I mean? You never sat with me. Oh, of course not 00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:35.357 - me and you, not many of us, but I'm saying the majority of the Western mindset is still under that. 00:30:35.357 --> 00:30:43.401 - Oh, I'm fairly all right. It's kind of sad. It's the nature of not thinking in the world that's prevalent. 00:30:43.401 --> 00:30:46.558 - See, that hits you perfectly, I can tell. 00:30:46.722 --> 00:30:56.519 - because yeah. And it feels better than being sad about it. Because if a person really sat and went, 00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:07.001 - okay, newborn is a sinner. Come on. That mug is glowing. God literally to anybody but a freaking spiritual 00:31:07.001 --> 00:31:15.230 - blind man. Mind you, and there are a lot of spiritual blind people in the world. So 00:31:15.618 --> 00:31:22.975 - compassion to those ones because they haven't grown to this height as of yet. But the reality of most 00:31:22.975 --> 00:31:30.260 - people when they see a newborn, even though that mug is cone-headed and funny-looking, everybody go, 00:31:30.260 --> 00:31:37.617 - oh, we told you. Because they feel in the light of the most hot. Yeah. Unfiltered and unblocked. Yes, 00:31:37.617 --> 00:31:44.830 - sir. Yes, sir. You know what I'm saying? And I'd be like, word, I get it. You know what I'm saying? 00:31:45.314 --> 00:31:54.175 - That shit is a result. Okay, it's not thinking. It's got some, you know, original sin. I mean, and I 00:31:54.175 --> 00:32:02.948 - can only understand it only from this metaphysical point, like digging. Because I, you know, I went 00:32:02.948 --> 00:32:11.721 - in on the process, initially, just on the spiritual gut love, which is that concept. I have to call 00:32:11.721 --> 00:32:15.230 - it that, a concept, because it's a con. 00:32:15.970 --> 00:32:23.444 - make people you know feel guilty about basically themself it's a setup to be guilty like almost ever 00:32:23.444 --> 00:32:30.844 - ever you know it's a mind trap that has done so much damage to this world bro the mind f is what it 00:32:30.844 --> 00:32:38.910 - is bro yeah it's terrible what it really is because because we were talking about the other day like because 00:32:39.042 --> 00:32:44.741 - Like, of course, like when I talk about NBL, we talk about giving it to the kids because they ain't 00:32:44.741 --> 00:32:50.496 - got all of this chaos to remove from their minds. They can get it easy and beautifully. But when you 00:32:50.496 --> 00:32:56.366 - talk about giving it to an adult, you gotta deal with their traumas, their programming, their culture, 00:32:56.366 --> 00:33:02.235 - all of these things that they have to fight through to get to who they are as the soul level. And then 00:33:02.235 --> 00:33:07.934 - they can be able to, you know, consciously move and express correctly versus, you know what I mean? 00:33:08.194 --> 00:33:18.048 - And so mind you, that's the journey too. You know, something that's I, and I feel as, as black folks 00:33:18.048 --> 00:33:28.000 - though, we had, we had what I would call at least an inordinate amount of freaking, uh, drama, trauma 00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:37.854 - and shit. Yes. Just, I don't care what nobody say because like, but we didn't migrate here. Hey bro. 00:33:38.082 --> 00:33:46.608 - Hey! I got snatched up. I was killing somewhere as a high priest. My family was high priests. And I 00:33:46.608 --> 00:33:55.134 - got snatched the fuck over here. They taught me some English bastard ass language. Took my language 00:33:55.134 --> 00:34:03.660 - and culture and my awareness of I'm God for a little bit away. Yeah. Yeah. So for a minute, I think 00:34:03.660 --> 00:34:07.838 - a lot of us talking about the spiritual journey. 00:34:10.274 --> 00:34:20.713 - I was pissed. Yes. Yes. Hey, you know, the young man who you lied to me so hard. The young man that 00:34:20.713 --> 00:34:31.048 - you mentioned that you said you and you was digging his interview, Kahari, he's at that stage now. 00:34:31.048 --> 00:34:38.878 - I get it. Yes, it's right. It's righteous indignation. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. 00:34:39.074 --> 00:34:46.396 - Yes. But it's funny. It ain't funny. It's just, you know, we've been through these stages. So when you 00:34:46.396 --> 00:34:53.717 - see it process it through somebody else, you'd be like, oh, without going through that, you know what? 00:34:53.717 --> 00:35:01.110 - You can't get to love. Yeah. Because like on low key, a lot of business, man, a lot of this is not full 00:35:01.110 --> 00:35:08.574 - on like clinically depressed per se, but a lot of ones I started depressed slash anxious or and or both. 00:35:09.090 --> 00:35:16.881 - Hey bro, I talked about that. Can we talk about what's causing it? It's called cognitive dissonance. 00:35:16.881 --> 00:35:24.750 - It's because you're trying to fit into a culture that you're not really, yeah, you're not really ever 00:35:24.750 --> 00:35:32.850 - going to be accepted in. And so by doing all that you can to bend your nature, your mind, your concepts, 00:35:32.850 --> 00:35:35.550 - your culture, your structure, your 00:35:35.938 --> 00:35:41.652 - everything to fit and to achieve and then you get there and you realize that you're still not where 00:35:41.652 --> 00:35:47.653 - you thought you'd be and you've done all of these amalgamating of your nature to be there and it becomes 00:35:47.653 --> 00:35:53.481 - an angry thing and then like i said so many angles that we've been touched bro i mean we got cats who 00:35:53.481 --> 00:35:59.253 - who don't think they black no more you know i'm saying who cats who who that ain't even a part of my 00:35:59.253 --> 00:36:02.110 - culture i don't know that's you guys i don't have 00:36:02.466 --> 00:36:11.121 - when I told them they were African. Hey, bro, you are here. Yeah, I wouldn't doubt it. Or indigenous 00:36:11.121 --> 00:36:19.947 - even. Yeah. Well, hold on. Let me let me. So so okay, if you're not African, if you're not indigenous, 00:36:19.947 --> 00:36:28.602 - let me tell you, let me ask you what you think you are. Right. What do you what do you think you you 00:36:28.602 --> 00:36:29.630 - are, buddy? 00:36:29.826 --> 00:36:36.846 - You give me an assessment of what you are. I need to know what you think you are. Where did you come 00:36:36.846 --> 00:36:43.866 - from? Yeah. I know. But what do you think? Yeah. Your assessment of what all this is. My sight, man, 00:36:43.866 --> 00:36:50.816 - when I was like, I got to go back to the youth again. We progressed in a long time, I know. Because 00:36:50.816 --> 00:36:58.462 - when I was young. This is nowhere near like any interview I've ever done. So it's fine. We'll get through it. 00:36:58.722 --> 00:37:07.572 - I remember like both my parents were activists, right? My dad was a member of WSO, which was like the 00:37:07.572 --> 00:37:16.335 - Black Panther chapter in Chicago. And my mom was like part of the civil rights movement from like 16 00:37:16.335 --> 00:37:25.011 - forward. She graduated from high school early. So I grew up with that as a backdrop. But then I had 00:37:25.011 --> 00:37:27.614 - this friend when I was young. 00:37:29.410 --> 00:37:40.118 - And his name was David, of all things. Best friend. And he just happened to be a pink cat. Right, right. 00:37:40.118 --> 00:37:50.928 - Palm color. Yeah, you did. And I overheard you did. My mom and dad, like, I don't get it. His best friend 00:37:50.928 --> 00:37:58.270 - is white. Because they're both, like, blackity, black, black activists. 00:37:58.594 --> 00:38:06.452 - You don't say it black pick in the hair hole now. All right. All right. That's my parents. Talk about 00:38:06.452 --> 00:38:14.234 - Hibari gani every quiet cause it was not expected responses. So you there was that freaked them out. 00:38:14.234 --> 00:38:22.015 - But to to I me and my friend David, we talked about this. I remember this like vividly up to now you 00:38:22.015 --> 00:38:23.710 - dig as an adult where 00:38:24.898 --> 00:38:34.295 - He looked at each other physically. He was like, you're not really black. You're really kind of brown. 00:38:34.295 --> 00:38:43.418 - And I was like, you're not really white. You're actually more pink. I love youth. You know what I'm 00:38:43.418 --> 00:38:45.790 - saying? You're not black. 00:38:45.954 --> 00:38:54.124 - And you ain't white. You know what I'm saying? Those are crayons. Crayons, bro. Exactly. Those are crayons. 00:38:54.124 --> 00:39:01.916 - We're not that. This is who I am. I'm this being. And you're that being in that, you know, flesh loop, 00:39:01.916 --> 00:39:09.556 - basically. You know what I'm saying? And so, you know, early on, that idea of one love, as far as on 00:39:09.556 --> 00:39:14.398 - that so-called racial or cultural tip, was, you know, something 00:39:15.234 --> 00:39:22.233 - known to you know it was already something I was practicing that I didn't care about so much just how 00:39:22.233 --> 00:39:29.438 - this person appear one because I grew up again with activists my mom made sure I heard the Martin Luther 00:39:29.438 --> 00:39:36.437 - King speech and that that resonated with me wasn't just the thing oh he's famous and he's this guy no 00:39:36.437 --> 00:39:43.710 - that personally resonated in my own spirit like yeah that's the vision that's the way the world should be 00:39:47.170 --> 00:39:55.416 - You know, so it wasn't philosophical. You feel me? It was visceral how they say visceral by even as 00:39:55.416 --> 00:40:03.663 - a young person. And I remember growing up and that was pretty much why I was different all the way, 00:40:03.663 --> 00:40:12.074 - man. My whole like school career, I guess you would call it, you know what I'm saying? All the way to 00:40:12.074 --> 00:40:17.022 - grammar school and whatnot. I pretty much was that kid that 00:40:18.274 --> 00:40:25.380 - stayed like the grain of wood in the floor. You feel me? I didn't want to be noticed too much because 00:40:25.380 --> 00:40:32.626 - I knew how people were. That was, you know, my overstanding even at that time. I played and played ball 00:40:32.626 --> 00:40:39.802 - and that kind of thing. But other than that and certain types of interaction, I know even at that age, 00:40:39.802 --> 00:40:47.326 - mugs ain't ready for what's in here because I was already at nine and 10 talking about y'all pieces the way 00:40:47.874 --> 00:40:56.436 - to my neighborhood friends and in the hood in the west side of Chicago, son, you know. I already know. 00:40:56.436 --> 00:41:05.081 - That's exactly what I'm saying. Wild people are not themselves because of all of the cultural pressures 00:41:05.081 --> 00:41:13.726 - that they have and they can't really express their natural nature. But I felt this even to now, really. 00:41:14.082 --> 00:41:20.817 - It's like, I think I even told you this, that third point as a youth, I kind of like, I figured my cave 00:41:20.817 --> 00:41:27.681 - is my head. I'm gonna go inside this cave, and when I'm, you know, groaning up some loves and not telling 00:41:27.681 --> 00:41:34.157 - me what the freak to do, then I'm gonna free up, which is pretty much, that's when I grew my locks, 00:41:34.157 --> 00:41:41.086 - I grew, you know, I grew my 18, went in the military, and one night I grew my first set of locks in there. 00:41:42.626 --> 00:41:51.348 - which was an experience in itself too. Because a lot of it was I connected with people in D.C. would 00:41:51.348 --> 00:42:00.157 - rock the people. So you went in the military. What prompted that and which branch of the military did 00:42:00.157 --> 00:42:09.570 - you go in? You know, I did the school thing. I was on a full academic scholarship for electrical engineering 00:42:09.570 --> 00:42:11.038 - at Alcorn State. 00:42:12.226 --> 00:42:19.635 - And it just really wasn't for I. And I feel and know that in this time I was, you know, intellectually 00:42:19.635 --> 00:42:26.828 - apt enough to take care of as far as the, you know, school work. It just, it didn't jive with I. It 00:42:26.828 --> 00:42:34.309 - didn't vibe and resonate with my person in a way. So I came back to, you know, back to Chicago and then 00:42:34.309 --> 00:42:42.078 - my mom was basically like, you ain't laying up here. You know how moms can be, cause she's black like that. 00:42:42.434 --> 00:42:49.140 - She was like, when you go to Air Force, that was her suggestion. I was like, cause I didn't want to 00:42:49.140 --> 00:42:56.047 - necessarily lay up under her either. Cause she was going to be telling me what, what all the time. So, 00:42:56.047 --> 00:43:02.820 - you know, young person I'm like, yeah, let me up. I'll go in, I'll go in the Air Force. So I went in 00:43:02.820 --> 00:43:10.062 - the Air Force and worked in the Air Force as the mental health unit specialist, which was crucial training. 00:43:10.062 --> 00:43:11.806 - And I feel just as far as 00:43:11.906 --> 00:43:22.264 - on a spiritual level and basic counseling skills, compassion, understanding, listening, skills that 00:43:22.264 --> 00:43:33.451 - I and I feel that are crucial to those that are called to the path and are in essence priests and ministers 00:43:33.451 --> 00:43:40.702 - and flames of the creator walking about. So we need all those things. 00:43:40.866 --> 00:43:47.883 - because at some point somebody that we know is close to us might have somebody pass forward and we might 00:43:47.883 --> 00:43:54.567 - give them some compassion and succor and understanding rather than be an asshole, because there are 00:43:54.567 --> 00:44:01.250 - some out here, trust me. You would be surprised the world, woo, I know what y'all mean when you say 00:44:01.250 --> 00:44:07.198 - there's some hard-hearted people out here, you know? Yeah, of course. To I, that's like, 00:44:08.482 --> 00:44:17.333 - 56 year old person in chronologically in this body. I feel like How do you let they buy they they know? 00:44:17.333 --> 00:44:26.268 - because I've had great Treatment from you fellow human beings. I've had horrendous treatment from fellow 00:44:26.268 --> 00:44:34.864 - human beings My my vibe is always like I'm not gonna let nobody bring me to a place where I come out 00:44:34.864 --> 00:44:37.502 - of myself, which is love right 00:44:38.114 --> 00:44:47.424 - you know, because in a way that person helped me see, okay, are you really this? You know what I'm saying? 00:44:47.424 --> 00:44:56.733 - It's a check, like, are you really love, are you really God? You know, that's been a theme in my, probably 00:44:56.733 --> 00:45:05.782 - the last week at least, maybe eight to 10 days, it's been a theme that's been like recurring in cycles, 00:45:05.782 --> 00:45:07.870 - like saying, don't get, 00:45:09.634 --> 00:45:16.833 - tired of doing good. Don't get weary of doing good. Don't allow yourself to, you know what I mean? Yeah. 00:45:16.833 --> 00:45:23.552 - There are moments. I think there's even moments with that where I know, you know what I'm saying? 00:45:23.552 --> 00:45:30.202 - Cause I, and I cite that when you look at Yeshua himself, where he got the whole crucified vibe, 00:45:30.202 --> 00:45:34.110 - he was like, man, John, if, if I can not drink this cup, 00:45:37.026 --> 00:45:47.737 - Word can be cool, but if it's your will, then so be it. Y'all know that script. So it shows that even, 00:45:47.737 --> 00:45:58.239 - you know, this high avataric manifestation of the most high itself even had this moment where it was 00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:06.558 - like, just human in that sense of things, just kind of like, man, this is bull. 00:46:07.330 --> 00:46:16.064 - Yes. Yes, sir. That's what he said. He said it in a pretty safe way. But that's what he said. In essence, 00:46:16.064 --> 00:46:24.303 - this is important. If I don't have to do this, God, man. If it's necessary and I'm here to save the 00:46:24.303 --> 00:46:32.708 - planet, all right, then I'm here to save the planet. Right. It's your will. You know what I'm saying? 00:46:32.708 --> 00:46:35.262 - And so the rest of it unfolds. 00:46:36.066 --> 00:46:46.639 - So it looks like we're having a more of a, just a, this is what I call a kick it session, a build session, 00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:57.310 - a reasoning session, more so than an interview. And that's fine. But I still want to get a straightforward, 00:46:57.310 --> 00:47:02.942 - direct interview. It's organic. Yeah, it's very organic. 00:47:03.298 --> 00:47:10.605 - And that's fine. For me, you know, for I was the journey. Like I said, I was, you know, went through 00:47:10.605 --> 00:47:18.418 - the whole childhood thing. And I really feel like when I was a child, I was a child. Yeah, I was spiritual, 00:47:18.418 --> 00:47:25.870 - but I didn't even think of it as being spiritual. I was just, this is how I am. Right. You understand? 00:47:25.870 --> 00:47:32.670 - And then later on, as I grew into adulthood and I saw other people around me, they were like, 00:47:33.378 --> 00:47:39.906 - Dude, you're very spiritual, you're very rich. And I'll be like, in comparison to what? That's what 00:47:39.906 --> 00:47:46.435 - they were doing. Very true. Like, what are you comparing this to? Right. Yeah. A one who lives that 00:47:46.435 --> 00:47:53.159 - way doesn't have a comparison. It's just how I live. So exactly, I understand fully what you're saying 00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:57.598 - there. I mean, because in my side, I'm like, I'm a biped, you know. 00:47:59.330 --> 00:48:06.843 - i'm in this biped structure you feel me in this homosexual body you're the homo what this is you know 00:48:06.843 --> 00:48:14.504 - everything is everything that person you know they you know connected to something you know higher than 00:48:14.504 --> 00:48:22.018 - that was an assumption on my part they caused me some you know hard knock lessons later and some some 00:48:22.018 --> 00:48:29.310 - you know to gain you know wisdom and more discernment and understanding that it is the thing where 00:48:29.826 --> 00:48:38.475 - The creator gives certain ones, the open ones through the experience and through even just birth to 00:48:38.475 --> 00:48:47.470 - have the eyes and the eyes to see and the ears to hear that which your common person ain't even looking 00:48:47.470 --> 00:48:56.898 - to hear or see, much less hearing or seeing. Yeah, that conversation came up as well earlier in an interview 00:48:56.898 --> 00:48:58.974 - I had with a young lady 00:48:59.138 --> 00:49:05.889 - today. And it was about, like, you know, you know, God has people here in many capacities to work for 00:49:05.889 --> 00:49:12.773 - him, right. And so one of the things that I was saying is that I've never, what I was telling the young 00:49:12.773 --> 00:49:19.127 - man, I was like, I was telling this, I've been saying this probably last three days, because I, 00:49:19.127 --> 00:49:20.318 - you know, this is 00:49:20.418 --> 00:49:26.963 - This is how we talk. It ain't like I'm just doing this interview and I'm talking about spiritual stuff 00:49:26.963 --> 00:49:33.445 - today because this is what I do. No, this is who I am. And so these are the conversations that I have 00:49:33.445 --> 00:49:39.990 - with everybody that I talk to. Right. So yeah. So so I'm having this conversation a couple of days ago 00:49:39.990 --> 00:49:43.422 - and I'm talking about the idea that I don't feel like 00:49:43.650 --> 00:49:49.133 - part, you know, like, like, okay, and then, like I said, this might sound arrogant, but to you, I'm 00:49:49.133 --> 00:49:54.726 - sure it doesn't, but because you know what I'm talking about, but to the average person, it may sound 00:49:54.726 --> 00:50:00.264 - straight as holish, but I don't, I don't concern myself with getting to heaven. I don't think that's 00:50:00.264 --> 00:50:05.802 - my concern. I don't think that they come beyond that part, right? I think my job is affecting things 00:50:05.802 --> 00:50:11.340 - on this earth and to attempt to bring heaven to this earth by allowing people to understand that the 00:50:11.340 --> 00:50:12.766 - fullness of your capacity 00:50:13.058 --> 00:50:18.743 - is the best that you can ever get out of this earth. And the best that you can ever get out of this 00:50:18.743 --> 00:50:24.826 - earth is to bring out the life that God put into you, which is love, right? And express it in its greatest 00:50:24.826 --> 00:50:30.625 - way. Yeah. I feel like that's why I'm here. I don't feel like I'm here to be like, oh, you got to not 00:50:30.625 --> 00:50:36.310 - go to hell. You got to go to heaven. I ain't there, man. That ain't, that's bullshit. Somebody here 00:50:36.310 --> 00:50:40.062 - for that. Somebody here for that. There are people here for that. 00:50:41.602 --> 00:50:46.662 - my thing it's never even as a kid it wasn't the thing for me so i don't never feel like it was a thing 00:50:46.662 --> 00:50:51.624 - like oh i gotta worry about getting to heaven i gotta worry about getting to heaven that ain't never 00:50:51.624 --> 00:50:56.683 - felt like my shit because i've always been in alignment with what's right that's all you know it ain't 00:50:56.683 --> 00:51:01.792 - you know what i'm saying so you know i'm a human so you have your flaws and your imperfections you know 00:51:01.792 --> 00:51:06.803 - what i'm saying but i'm saying for the majority of my life i've been since i was 17 i've been seeking 00:51:06.803 --> 00:51:08.670 - shit deep you know what i'm saying so 00:51:08.930 --> 00:51:13.307 - Ain't too much that I'm worried about, like, oh, I might get to go to hell. No, bro, 00:51:13.307 --> 00:51:18.457 - I don't even, ultimately, this even comes up, right? Because Tina, my sister, you know, anyway, she 00:51:18.457 --> 00:51:23.452 - talking about something or something or another. And I'm like, well, Tina, ultimately, when you, 00:51:23.452 --> 00:51:28.860 - you know, it's a matter of perspective, because there is no, you know, there is no power in the universe 00:51:28.860 --> 00:51:31.486 - that is actually opposing God, right? There is no, 00:51:31.874 --> 00:51:38.117 - Actually, when you talk about this devil in the sense that people talk about the devil okay there is 00:51:38.117 --> 00:51:44.299 - the idea of yin and yang there is light and dark there is male and female, so the opposing force to 00:51:44.299 --> 00:51:49.182 - good is an existing thing, but it is not an equal complex way of power as God. 00:51:49.282 --> 00:51:55.992 - Okay, the opposing force you may feel is a motivating force for you to be enlivened towards your spiritual 00:51:55.992 --> 00:52:02.263 - heights. You see what I'm saying? So it ain't all about, yeah, it ain't all about, oh, it's an evil 00:52:02.263 --> 00:52:08.659 - force. It's just something opposing that makes you motivate and spirit up. You know what I mean? This 00:52:08.659 --> 00:52:15.243 - is how you know it's one heart, one mind. Because I was talking about reasoning with this, on this exact 00:52:15.243 --> 00:52:19.006 - thing, actually, with I-N-I Empress, I-Y Shirley, about how 00:52:19.106 --> 00:52:30.916 - people miss overspend even the concept of yin and yang, dark and light, receptive and creative principles. 00:52:30.916 --> 00:52:42.395 - People, especially on the level of gender. These principles are really simply, as I stated, receptivity 00:52:42.395 --> 00:52:47.582 - and creativity. Those are the basic principles 00:52:48.066 --> 00:52:55.628 - of energies that the creator energy breaks down into that's how all his life is getting young energy 00:52:55.628 --> 00:53:03.339 - mugs in order to like exist we have to exchange and do yin and yang things pretty much all day you eat 00:53:03.339 --> 00:53:10.976 - food you receive it you know i'm saying that's and you have to actively bring it to your mouth that's 00:53:10.976 --> 00:53:14.270 - a yang thing but then you're breathing yeah 00:53:14.626 --> 00:53:20.664 - So it's going back and forth, this interchange, yin and yang, breathing, all of this. That is the most, 00:53:20.664 --> 00:53:26.643 - you know, that's the most significant aspect of your life. You can, you don't, they don't consider you 00:53:26.643 --> 00:53:32.623 - alive to the baby, give a birth to breathe. And they say you ain't, you're dead when you lose the last 00:53:32.623 --> 00:53:38.486 - breath. So the breathing is the yin and the yang all day of your total existence. So it's this thing 00:53:38.486 --> 00:53:44.350 - specific that I speak of, that the yin tends to, cause it's dark, like the earth is dark. All right. 00:53:45.794 --> 00:53:55.054 - and the yang energy is quote unquote light. Now what happens is the dark gets mostly because of Eurocentric 00:53:55.054 --> 00:54:03.885 - ideas, ionized light. It gets demonized as negative, evil, et cetera, but it's simply a receptor. It's 00:54:03.885 --> 00:54:12.631 - that side of God. You understand? And then the active side or creative aspect of God is that light or 00:54:12.631 --> 00:54:14.174 - movement, energy. 00:54:15.522 --> 00:54:22.099 - You know what I'm saying? The act of creative force without which this, you know, the earth would just 00:54:22.099 --> 00:54:28.676 - be a rock without the sun shining on it. Yeah. Without, like I said, bro, it's the, it, you gotta have 00:54:28.676 --> 00:54:35.189 - it. And it has to put forth our, then it gives us fruit. You know what I'm saying? Vegetables, fruit, 00:54:35.189 --> 00:54:41.638 - all the other things that come for, even those that, you know, doing the carnivore thing or omnivore 00:54:41.638 --> 00:54:45.022 - thing, all the animals that they eat eat vegetables. 00:54:46.402 --> 00:54:53.530 - you did. So it still is secondhand sun energy all the while. So all of us is thriving through this yin 00:54:53.530 --> 00:55:01.072 - and yang receptive and active interchange all through our life. That's masculine and quote unquote masculine 00:55:01.072 --> 00:55:08.338 - or feminine energies in reality from the creative source. But it gets demonized on one side or the other 00:55:08.338 --> 00:55:10.622 - instead of it being looked at as 00:55:10.818 --> 00:55:17.936 - One whole part one thing in the creator because this shin or spirit that makes that ginyang ball move 00:55:17.936 --> 00:55:24.985 - Yeah, yeah without the shin actually moving the consciousness then it don't there's no evolution and 00:55:24.985 --> 00:55:31.964 - progression Exactly, and that's what i'm saying. They're inspirations for one another and I think I 00:55:31.964 --> 00:55:39.082 - got that as a young person, you know i'm saying Just because I would say, you know, I started smoking 00:55:39.082 --> 00:55:40.478 - herb I was about 15 00:55:42.242 --> 00:55:49.082 - I think I was about 15, 15 or so. Nah, I had contact heights, because like I said, my parents both smoked, 00:55:49.082 --> 00:55:55.666 - so I remember a couple times being contact high actually, and saying some crazy wild stuff in the back 00:55:55.666 --> 00:56:02.250 - of the car, and my mom looking at me like, what did you just say? Like one time I cussed. And I wasn't 00:56:02.250 --> 00:56:08.898 - that kid that like cussed in front of parents. You did. And I just said something like, some crazy cuss 00:56:08.898 --> 00:56:12.030 - word. And I was like, even my own self was like, 00:56:12.802 --> 00:56:20.149 - Did I just say that? Because you know, it be loose when you iry. But that was the first time I think 00:56:20.149 --> 00:56:27.642 - I consciously remember being iry. But then later on, like as I said, I was 15 or so, I had my own room 00:56:27.642 --> 00:56:35.281 - and thing, and I had a little balcony. And there was like no grass outside, but there was just one tree. 00:56:35.281 --> 00:56:41.246 - So I would go out there and I'd blow one. And I just said, look at the tree, God. 00:56:43.618 --> 00:56:51.958 - for like 20 minutes, 45 minutes sometimes, you know, whatever, however amount of time, you know what 00:56:51.958 --> 00:57:00.216 - I'm saying? And then I would get up, go back in. That was, you know, my first experiences, that and 00:57:00.216 --> 00:57:08.969 - with my other homie, Polo was his nickname. We would smoke herb between the elevator cars on the L train, 00:57:08.969 --> 00:57:12.190 - on some like thrill seeking type dish. 00:57:12.386 --> 00:57:19.849 - They didn't bother us in between the cars like that. They can smell it but they can't find you that 00:57:19.849 --> 00:57:27.311 - easy. They couldn't smell it because we're in a moving car. We're outside. Okay, okay. It's between 00:57:27.311 --> 00:57:34.848 - the cars. You're actually outside in a little bit of vibe and you're like burning. Right. We go back 00:57:34.848 --> 00:57:38.878 - in cab with Luis before we go to the club and things. 00:57:40.354 --> 00:57:47.320 - But then other than that, I would just smoke, but with I and myself, you feel me? It wasn't a thing 00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:54.357 - where I was like, a lot of people my age, when they was burning herbs, there was, you know, going to 00:57:54.357 --> 00:58:01.462 - a party and things. I did that little of that too, of course. But a lot of the time when I smoked the 00:58:01.462 --> 00:58:08.429 - herb, it was, you know, I'd cuff a little bit of herb for my mom's ashtray. So let me ask you this, 00:58:08.429 --> 00:58:09.822 - when about the, uh, 00:58:10.434 --> 00:58:17.795 - about to try it out when you took the backpack and you left the city and you went on your walk with 00:58:17.795 --> 00:58:25.230 - God. Because that's a faith walk when you leave and that's all you got, right? I know the story, but 00:58:25.230 --> 00:58:32.592 - the people don't know the story. So I was getting there. So I went through the military vibe. I got 00:58:32.592 --> 00:58:39.806 - out of the military. And at that point, I grew up in the second set of rocks. And I met my elder. 00:58:40.226 --> 00:58:47.708 - J.C. Stokes. Why you why you say your second set of locks? What happened with the first set? Well, the 00:58:47.708 --> 00:58:54.972 - first set I had at a certain point, I had three months to get out of the military and I had a black 00:58:54.972 --> 00:59:02.381 - NCOIC that's noncommissioned officer in charge of the particular module. He was in charge of both the 00:59:02.381 --> 00:59:09.790 - hospital units on that floor. So he was the boss for the two head bosses. He pulled me in his office. 00:59:09.890 --> 00:59:20.167 - Cause I had locks in a fade and I had been working rocking it for like, at that point, a year, almost 00:59:20.167 --> 00:59:30.042 - in the military over in the military yet. And it was not allowed, but nobody said anything to me. 00:59:30.042 --> 00:59:39.614 - And I was, you know, now I look at it as the thing of the spirit was on me in such a way that. 00:59:40.386 --> 00:59:46.913 - I was just did it. He did without, wasn't no fear of it. You know what I'm saying? That dude, you know, 00:59:46.913 --> 00:59:53.251 - that's that initial just spark as it worked. And then they, he pulled me in his office. He was like, 00:59:53.251 --> 00:59:59.653 - he basically told me if I didn't get that out of my hair, he was gonna make it quote unquote hard for 00:59:59.653 --> 01:00:06.054 - me. Getting out of the military, you know, I only had a little time left. Basically he was gonna make 01:00:06.054 --> 01:00:09.694 - it hell. So I remember going back to my barrack and like, 01:00:10.594 --> 01:00:18.693 - painstakingly picked, like, because it had locked, you know what I'm saying? So I had to pick all that 01:00:18.693 --> 01:00:26.714 - out, so to speak, and I just, I didn't cut it. I just packed it all down with some Murrays and did my 01:00:26.714 --> 01:00:34.656 - next three months or whatever and got out. Went into a job interview, still had a fade, got the job, 01:00:34.656 --> 01:00:37.566 - went in the first day with my locks. 01:00:38.562 --> 01:00:46.448 - beer is starting to grow in and all that vibe. I didn't last too long at that job. They didn't even 01:00:46.448 --> 01:00:54.807 - have the balls to fire me in person. They sent me a courier. I called off sick Monday and sent a courier. 01:00:54.807 --> 01:01:03.087 - Come to my door, clean dog, I'm like, what? You're basically opening up and you're fired. What? I called 01:01:03.087 --> 01:01:05.374 - my elder and I'm like, dude. 01:01:06.242 --> 01:01:22.494 - And my elder was like, he was like, it was raining at the time and my elder was like, when you got the 01:01:22.494 --> 01:01:31.646 - letter, did the sun come out? And I was like, yeah, word. 01:01:33.154 --> 01:01:41.257 - Like immediately, like, cause we had that depth where he didn't have to go in on explaining the meaning 01:01:41.257 --> 01:01:49.048 - of that shit. Like, did the sun come out? Yeah. Dig it. Word. I was pieced with the whole thing. It 01:01:49.048 --> 01:01:57.150 - was a nice gig. 19,000, you know, entry level working as a psychiatric case manager and, you know, West 01:01:57.150 --> 01:02:02.526 - side VA hospital, blah, blah, blah. Company car, dah, dah, dah, dah. 01:02:02.946 --> 01:02:11.677 - all that. But, you know, at the time, like I said, I was rooting up. And so I was getting deeper in 01:02:11.677 --> 01:02:20.409 - the spiritual, spirituality I linked up with, you know, my elder. And then also I ran into like the 01:02:20.409 --> 01:02:29.227 - first day I rooted up, actually ran to my one good brethren, now named Om Mura. And he was like, yo, 01:02:29.227 --> 01:02:31.934 - they got these classes at this 01:02:32.642 --> 01:02:41.305 - helpful story called the tango on the south side on Egyptian, committing spirituality. I was like, where? 01:02:41.305 --> 01:02:49.477 - Oh, that's what he said to me first. He was like, you know, you growing antennas into the universe, 01:02:49.477 --> 01:02:57.650 - into the cosmos. I was like, yeah. Even though I had never intellectually, you know, been told that 01:02:57.650 --> 01:03:00.510 - by anybody, I just was like, yeah. 01:03:00.930 --> 01:03:08.735 - that just made sense. You feel me? When he said it, I was like, yeah, of course. Why would I be doing 01:03:08.735 --> 01:03:16.463 - this otherwise? You know what I'm saying? It was kind of the other thought inherently in my brain at 01:03:16.463 --> 01:03:24.421 - that moment. Now I think about it. But so then I wound up going to, as Sarah said, taking their courses 01:03:24.421 --> 01:03:29.854 - on meditation one and meditation two and African cosmology one and two 01:03:31.138 --> 01:03:39.771 - astrology and so forth Mahabodh astrology and I was like worried so I was eating all that up and then 01:03:39.771 --> 01:03:48.489 - as we were sitting in there a little longer. How old are you? I was in my 20 I would say 23, 24. Okay. 01:03:48.489 --> 01:03:57.122 - And most of us that were in there a bunch of artists and such poets and whatnot you feel me and so we 01:03:57.122 --> 01:04:00.254 - were already pretty receptive beings 01:04:01.122 --> 01:04:07.713 - feel creative, connected in that sense. And like, we started going to the meditation class and we were 01:04:07.713 --> 01:04:14.432 - getting mounted by ancestors in like the first week or two of the class. People were speaking, you know, 01:04:14.432 --> 01:04:20.894 - ancestors were speaking through them. So Mugs was convinced within the first week. You know what I'm 01:04:20.894 --> 01:04:23.646 - saying? It's just what was happening, bro. 01:04:23.874 --> 01:04:29.231 - Yeah, I'm just saying you're pretty convinced when you're getting mounted by the ancestors. 01:04:29.231 --> 01:04:35.228 - You know what? That shit just happened. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and there's any, you know, I've been 01:04:35.228 --> 01:04:41.166 - personally, it's always, it's always been about vibes. You know what I mean? Later on, I always stood 01:04:41.166 --> 01:04:46.814 - that to be spiritual. You know what I mean? But when I was youth and really now I still be like, 01:04:46.814 --> 01:04:51.006 - you know, I caught a vibe and that is such and such. You feel me? Yeah. 01:04:51.586 --> 01:04:58.720 - I mean, I caught a spiritual free, like it real technical, I caught a spiritual frequency of communication 01:04:58.720 --> 01:05:05.388 - and I moved on that communication. Right, right. You know what I mean? But it always be like words, 01:05:05.388 --> 01:05:12.189 - like people think, you know what I'm saying? Just be like, like I was feeling the way about my youth, 01:05:12.189 --> 01:05:18.990 - Isaiah who passed some time ago. And so I went and took a walk, you know, I was feeling sad and shit. 01:05:18.990 --> 01:05:20.190 - And I got a vibe. 01:05:20.834 --> 01:05:30.864 - Walk this way. And so I walked that way and turn the corner, turn the corner, stop, look down. And I 01:05:30.864 --> 01:05:41.191 - looked down and then on the concrete, somebody had scribed into the concrete, hi dad. I was just peace, 01:05:41.191 --> 01:05:47.646 - bro, immediately. Like I know what, you know, something blew up. 01:05:47.746 --> 01:05:55.062 - I think I even posted up on the Facebook stuff where it was like, do you think that your son, I'm like, 01:05:55.062 --> 01:06:02.237 - no, that's silly. But I do realize that my son was aware enough to guide me to a space where he would 01:06:02.237 --> 01:06:09.483 - give me a, where he could give me a message. And he would know that I would know what that was because 01:06:09.483 --> 01:06:16.728 - I could feel energy. I could feel vibes. I mean, beyond what I read on a piece of concrete, I felt the 01:06:16.728 --> 01:06:17.502 - vibration. 01:06:18.306 --> 01:06:25.137 - of my son guided me to the spot one. You don't have to explain this to me or anybody watching this, 01:06:25.137 --> 01:06:32.037 - man. That was some of them we do, though. That's the thing. You know, they don't. So I do explain it 01:06:32.037 --> 01:06:39.004 - to them, you know, some of the ones that don't don't get it, you know, because they want to know what 01:06:39.004 --> 01:06:46.177 - you mean about because sometimes you say that and it's be like, you might as well be speaking, you know, 01:06:46.177 --> 01:06:48.158 - Japanese, the name Japanese. 01:06:48.642 --> 01:06:54.931 - You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I guess I can be kind of jaded. That's part of what I'm here for. You 01:06:54.931 --> 01:07:01.159 - know what I'm saying? I can be kind of jaded in assuming that people know the shit that we know, and 01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:07.387 - I can just assume that it's just common knowledge and then, yeah, you're probably right. You do have 01:07:07.387 --> 01:07:13.862 - to explain. That's a good vibe. No, I like that. You know what? That's a good vibe, because that's being 01:07:13.862 --> 01:07:17.438 - part of the solution. I would hope. No, when you film me. 01:07:18.050 --> 01:07:25.013 - some of the solution mugs be like focused on the problem to be in the world, all the world's problems. 01:07:25.013 --> 01:07:31.774 - Man's in humanity, man in all the different, you know, forms basically. Yes. You know, but it's our 01:07:31.774 --> 01:07:38.669 - focus on it that gives it energy. Yes, sir. So I try, you know, that's why, you know, we talk all the 01:07:38.669 --> 01:07:45.632 - time about, you know, keeping positive vision and positive focus and, you know, not being a proverbial 01:07:45.632 --> 01:07:47.390 - negative Nancy or Norman. 01:07:47.746 --> 01:07:54.873 - Yeah, I mean, like I say, I feel like like I just want to be like a bundle of oranges or a bundle of 01:07:54.873 --> 01:08:02.000 - lemons. When you walk by, you smell that wonderful fragrance and you get uplifted. That's all I want 01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:09.269 - to be. Yeah. Yeah. You ain't even got to know me. Just walk by. You feel better, brother. That's good. 01:08:09.269 --> 01:08:15.902 - I love you. It's a real thing. Yeah. Because I mean, me and my my my bro, I'm a emcee, homie. 01:08:17.666 --> 01:08:25.885 - We was kicking it thick before we was in the midst of doing the demo. So we was hanging real tight. 01:08:25.885 --> 01:08:34.104 - And we would walk by people. And this is one of them things, this might sound arrogant as heck, but 01:08:34.104 --> 01:08:42.569 - you get it. And we would walk by somebody and we would just kind of feel like, just silently just wish 01:08:42.569 --> 01:08:44.542 - them love and blessing. 01:08:46.370 --> 01:08:53.434 - And you can see, you know, a person just, they, they face might've been flat as you walk in, just as 01:08:53.434 --> 01:09:00.567 - you walk in by and then as you walk by that energy brush up and they just get a little grin. You know 01:09:00.567 --> 01:09:08.190 - what I'm saying? I have consciously and actively done that in the last week. I had a, uh, it's a real thing. 01:09:08.514 --> 01:09:13.963 - Yeah, I went to work and I spoke to somebody about a thing and they damn near ignored me. And I just 01:09:13.963 --> 01:09:19.465 - was like, okay, let me walk away. This is, this is not the right energy to be starting my day. Right. 01:09:19.465 --> 01:09:24.967 - So, so I go, I go talk to God, bro, as I'm walking, like, man, I don't know what that was about, bro. 01:09:24.967 --> 01:09:30.362 - But you know what I'm saying? Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. But I didn't even have to say nothing to the 01:09:30.362 --> 01:09:36.350 - person, bro. I'm talking about for the rest of the day, it was all love. I'm talking about, it was like, like, 01:09:36.674 --> 01:09:42.575 - Like, hey, I want to be a friend type energy. You know what I'm saying? Like, OK, this is very cool. 01:09:42.575 --> 01:09:48.067 - Like, yeah. Like, I didn't say shit to them. I went talk to God and left it alone. Like, dog, 01:09:48.067 --> 01:09:53.910 - this is crazy. I don't know what to do at all. You know what I'm saying? Shit turned around without 01:09:53.910 --> 01:09:59.869 - me saying shit, bro. Real thing, real talk, brethren. Like, this technique's even, like, after I went 01:09:59.869 --> 01:10:03.550 - into the military, see, I'm trying to keep a timeline for you. 01:10:03.810 --> 01:10:14.879 - After I did the military thing and then I did the case management thing. Then I was being a musician 01:10:14.879 --> 01:10:25.839 - and a poet. And vibing on all of that. Basically just kicking it with my elder and living. Going to 01:10:25.839 --> 01:10:28.798 - the whole Sarah Set thing. 01:10:30.978 --> 01:10:40.909 - got married, had my first youth and went to Jamaica and grow. I had this experience where we went to 01:10:40.909 --> 01:10:51.135 - me and her, why she was, you know, she was Caucasian woman. My first wife and she was a child. She from 01:10:51.135 --> 01:11:00.574 - Chicago. She was from Minnesota originally, but she was living in Chicago. That's where we met. 01:11:01.410 --> 01:11:09.776 - And so we went to Jamaica because my elder was like it's time for you to go to Jamaica and then that 01:11:09.776 --> 01:11:18.224 - is happened, you know, because I was like having no money at the time and my elder was like you going 01:11:18.224 --> 01:11:26.755 - to Jamaica in a couple months and then that is happened. This is like I think to one of the times when 01:11:26.755 --> 01:11:30.814 - I started being aware of other spiritual people. 01:11:31.810 --> 01:11:40.168 - too, because I would be feeling the way about something, such and such thing, had this thing on my head 01:11:40.168 --> 01:11:48.204 - or this is your problem. And I'd be like, I'm gonna go holla at JC. And I would just run into dude. 01:11:48.204 --> 01:11:56.241 - You feel me? Like I would turn the corner, he would be fucking there. I've had these experiences. I 01:11:56.241 --> 01:11:59.134 - got on a train one day and went out 01:11:59.298 --> 01:12:07.139 - go to this healing new agey place and came back from off the train and got off the train was on the 01:12:07.139 --> 01:12:15.216 - train at the door and the doors open and the other train on the other track the doors open at the same 01:12:15.216 --> 01:12:23.998 - time and there was JC standing there looking at me and he just looked at me and he was like and I was like okay 01:12:24.514 --> 01:12:31.895 - That could not be no kind of coincidence. Yeah, WTF, right? Who is this guy? You know what I'm saying? 01:12:31.895 --> 01:12:39.347 - And then the other thought in the midst of this is, I want to be like that. Not realizing I was already 01:12:39.347 --> 01:12:46.727 - like that in essence, but not aware of that. You know what I'm saying? It's like you got a well in the 01:12:46.727 --> 01:12:52.030 - backyard, but you just think it's a hole. So you'd be thirsty in the mud. 01:12:52.418 --> 01:13:03.745 - This is the reality with most people you feel me hmm, they got wells But they thirsty in the world you 01:13:03.745 --> 01:13:14.962 - feel me but I was realizing you know I realized I was already in a different kind of mind anyway like 01:13:14.962 --> 01:13:22.110 - expanding like this something else in this world and I'm looking 01:13:22.946 --> 01:13:31.730 - See how I'm connected to this. Yeah and so You know these kind of experiences with the brother and he 01:13:31.730 --> 01:13:40.945 - said go to Jamaica. I'm like, okay How am I get to Jamaica, bro? I ain't got no loop to the me and sister. 01:13:40.945 --> 01:13:49.815 - Why don't I'm going to make And at a certain point I went to this place called Bobo Hill Which is also 01:13:49.815 --> 01:13:51.710 - called Zion It's very 01:13:52.994 --> 01:14:00.629 - monastic kind of living like they live like literally by Leviticus by the eyeball like the women are 01:14:00.629 --> 01:14:08.264 - you know during their time of the moon or whatever three three weeks whatever out the month you know 01:14:08.264 --> 01:14:16.051 - a sea woman so they like monks but they still you know propagating their children you feel me and even 01:14:16.051 --> 01:14:16.958 - that's like 01:14:17.506 --> 01:14:25.259 - There's a whole order like you gotta go see a priest to connect with this woman to see if that's, 01:14:25.259 --> 01:14:33.327 - you know, in alignment is strict. Wake up in the morning, you prostrate. Mind you, I dug all of this. 01:14:33.327 --> 01:14:41.396 - You wake up in the morning, you prostrate. Noon time, you prostrate again. In the evening time, dusk, 01:14:41.396 --> 01:14:44.798 - you prostrate again. You know what I mean? 01:14:45.090 --> 01:14:51.568 - kind of liberty, and then there's Nyabengi drum, Rastafari drum ceremony going on. Time and time and 01:14:51.568 --> 01:14:58.175 - all throughout the week, as well, a lot of time in the morning, you wake up on this bengi drum, so you 01:14:58.175 --> 01:15:04.973 - got frequency, you know what I mean, eye-line frequency, spiritual frequency, first thing in the morning, 01:15:04.973 --> 01:15:11.580 - and you waking up to that kind of vibe. Energy out there, you know, people pray in there, they've been 01:15:11.580 --> 01:15:12.542 - doing that for 01:15:12.706 --> 01:15:22.520 - decades upon decades is the resonance in that kind of space where. Of course. Dude, I was sitting having 01:15:22.520 --> 01:15:32.054 - reasons with, you know, just me and John, I and John, right? Mm hmm. And it'd be thunder, bro. And no 01:15:32.054 --> 01:15:41.214 - cloud in the sky. You gave like like, whoa, not near a cloud. You're talking about in response to 01:15:41.442 --> 01:15:48.698 - in response to the, what the, you know, sealing the reason up is that I'm, you know, most high. Yeah. 01:15:48.698 --> 01:15:56.025 - Sometimes you reason with a person, same thing. You hear some vibe, you know what I mean? Or some wood 01:15:56.025 --> 01:16:03.209 - cracking, or you're like, whoa, energy like that. Yeah. And consciousness lets you know whether it's 01:16:03.209 --> 01:16:09.683 - what it is or not. So, you know, and that's why I talk too about, I talk about often, bro, 01:16:09.683 --> 01:16:11.390 - is that spirituality is 01:16:11.874 --> 01:16:18.074 - extremely intimate and personal. And so nobody can like, like, that's one of the things about this channel, 01:16:18.074 --> 01:16:23.814 - right? Like, you know, you might hear somebody talk about UFOs or anything on his, on this channel, 01:16:23.814 --> 01:16:29.095 - but I don't attempt to qualify nobody's reality, nobody's experience. You know what I mean? 01:16:29.095 --> 01:16:34.836 - I don't try to, yeah, I don't. If I feel like a cat talking to me about some, some as far as facts, 01:16:34.836 --> 01:16:41.150 - he probably ain't going to be on the show, but ultimately what I'm saying is, you know what I mean? You know, 01:16:41.730 --> 01:16:49.630 - You can, you know how you say it, it's a vibe, you know what's up, so. Indeed, indeed. So like, I'm 01:16:49.630 --> 01:16:57.768 - up there at Bobo Hill at a certain point, I'm leaving, right? I'm going back into Montego Bay, through 01:16:57.768 --> 01:17:06.142 - Kingston and all of that. And they have what's called Robber Barons. Yeah, for sure, I know, I'm familiar 01:17:06.142 --> 01:17:08.670 - with them. You know about them? 01:17:08.898 --> 01:17:17.352 - They basically post up on the road and they rob tourists basically from on the bus. It's just get right 01:17:17.352 --> 01:17:25.725 - up on the bus and just strong on bug like that, straight G. Now I had, I was coming back. I, you know, 01:17:25.725 --> 01:17:34.016 - this is, I just, I just started wrapping my head. I've got my head wrapped and everything coming down 01:17:34.016 --> 01:17:37.918 - from Bobo Hill. And I got a ride staff with me. 01:17:38.978 --> 01:17:48.210 - and I got a white pregnant queen. You're an American. Yeah, some of them mines anyway. But at the same 01:17:48.210 --> 01:17:57.351 - time, I get on the bus, right? Big dread is driving the bus, right? Big, big old tam, right? I get on 01:17:57.351 --> 01:18:06.314 - the back of the bus and me and her sitting there and I'm just on the bus. At a certain point, I get 01:18:06.314 --> 01:18:08.734 - a vibe like I'm in danger. 01:18:09.346 --> 01:18:17.703 - You feel me, bruh? Like, get this vibe. Like, I ain't no scary mug, like, you know, like that. But I 01:18:17.703 --> 01:18:26.226 - get a vibe, like, something I need to, like, steal my energy up. So I'm in the back, and I'm basically 01:18:26.226 --> 01:18:34.500 - just doing a heartbeat with my ride, with my staff. Right. Internally, I'm just chanting, you know. 01:18:34.500 --> 01:18:36.734 - And we bus driver driving. 01:18:38.722 --> 01:18:48.250 - A couple points, he gets stopped by, you know, like I said, robber barons. And one of those particular 01:18:48.250 --> 01:18:57.962 - times, I watched the brother, the brethren's like, they see me in the back of the bus with the daughter. 01:18:57.962 --> 01:19:06.750 - And they're like, ready to rob me. Mind you, it ain't simple anyway, but they ready to rob me. 01:19:10.498 --> 01:19:18.782 - And brethren like, no brethren, no brethren, a man blessed, protected Aya. You see that cloud over Aya 01:19:18.782 --> 01:19:26.905 - and I, look. I picked them up in Kingston and that cloud been following Aya and I over Aya and I had 01:19:26.905 --> 01:19:35.190 - this whole trip. I recognized it, see? Not really, I knew there was, I did see the cloud, but I didn't 01:19:35.190 --> 01:19:39.774 - really think about it in that term. I just was aware of, 01:19:40.226 --> 01:19:49.209 - chanting in my head, I meant that job protect me. You feel me? Basically, I'm putting that kind of in 01:19:49.209 --> 01:19:58.191 - vibe. And sure enough, when he mentioned it, then I'm like, whoa, snap, this is a trip. All right, so 01:19:58.191 --> 01:20:07.614 - we get back and we get back into Montego Bay. At one point, we go to see Bob up at his place, Bob Marley's 01:20:08.738 --> 01:20:18.942 - where he was buried at the time. And we had a trot up there, me and Bredger and Cutchy, another Bredger, 01:20:18.942 --> 01:20:29.535 - an old elder Bredger, and Zebra. And this other Bredger, Fire. Fire was a trip. He was a little mischievous. 01:20:29.535 --> 01:20:37.310 - But he's good-eyed, good-hearted. So they take eyeing up to see Bob and things. 01:20:38.626 --> 01:20:45.964 - And again, as we're going up to see Bob, it's one cloud in the sky, brethren. And it's sitting right 01:20:45.964 --> 01:20:53.229 - over Bob's spot. And we roll up there and everything. We finally get up there. I got some herb that 01:20:53.229 --> 01:21:00.566 - we got from the farm on the way there. And I roll up, Nick Maka spliffing thing. And Light Eye and I 01:21:00.566 --> 01:21:06.814 - spliff and get praise. I'm like super high. I'm on the rock where Bob wrote the song. 01:21:07.138 --> 01:21:17.070 - Rockstone was my pillow, too. And I'm sitting on that rock and I'm lighting the spliff. And literally, 01:21:17.070 --> 01:21:26.810 - I light the spliff, Reggie, and a drop of rain go pow on my nose. I'm just crying, bro, like praying 01:21:26.810 --> 01:21:34.910 - and just crying like, oh, Bob is here. You know what I mean? I can feel his spirit. 01:21:37.026 --> 01:21:44.845 - And then I come forward again and, you know, come back into the States. When I was up at Boba Hill, 01:21:44.845 --> 01:21:52.899 - a lot of them wanted me to stay there and be a priest up there. And I'm like, you want to stay up here 01:21:52.899 --> 01:22:01.187 - and be a priest? I got peoples that need to know certain, you know what I mean? There's certain realities 01:22:01.187 --> 01:22:06.270 - in this, you know what I mean? Josh showing me things, I'm like, 01:22:06.562 --> 01:22:18.107 - what this is wow before i left there was when i first got there to jamaica there was a mama goat and 01:22:18.107 --> 01:22:30.109 - she had like maybe four or five six baby kids baby goats and i wanted to go pet the goats and they would 01:22:30.109 --> 01:22:36.510 - not let me near them when i first got there it was like 01:22:36.674 --> 01:22:43.522 - Like the bus, mama take the little goat, the baby goes, shoot, gone. But after about, like I said, a 01:22:43.522 --> 01:22:50.370 - week or so, I'm drinking Cerisee tea and eating like tall food every day and getting, you know, sun. 01:22:50.370 --> 01:22:57.218 - And by the time I did, the day before I left, I'm smoking a spliff up on the structure where I would 01:22:57.218 --> 01:23:03.998 - climb up, because it was like some hotel they were gonna build, but they didn't finish building it. 01:23:04.578 --> 01:23:13.794 - So they had a staircase and a platform, a staircase, a platform, staircase, and a platform way high 01:23:13.794 --> 01:23:23.472 - up. So I would go up there and meditate and practice capoeira. So I did that. I was practicing capoeira, 01:23:23.472 --> 01:23:32.688 - and then I was sitting on the step. And I look up, and the mama goat is rolling up. And she got the 01:23:32.688 --> 01:23:33.886 - little kids. 01:23:34.658 --> 01:23:44.372 - And I'm like, in my head, I'm like, I wonder if she'll let me bless them. Don't ask me why I had that 01:23:44.372 --> 01:23:53.896 - thought, but that's the thought I had. And goats had a kind of long, flat nose, you know? I watched 01:23:53.896 --> 01:24:03.134 - the goats, the little kids were like behind her, you know, to the back. I watched the mama goat. 01:24:04.642 --> 01:24:14.179 - turn her head and take each of the little kids with his nose and push it forward towards I and each 01:24:14.179 --> 01:24:24.097 - one walk forward to I and I. As each one walks forward, Bridget. So then I and I come forward back into 01:24:24.097 --> 01:24:34.110 - the States off of those kind of vibes, you see? Right. And Muggs was like, one, I was two shades darker. 01:24:34.626 --> 01:24:44.208 - So I'm my real native tone. So my energy is up on that tip, because my melon is melanated in the fullness. 01:24:44.208 --> 01:24:53.520 - So I'm pulling in more energy on that tip. And then I come forward, I'm all rap-type vibes, like, whoa, 01:24:53.520 --> 01:25:03.102 - what happened to you? You know what I'm saying? Most of them was like, kind of like, what happened to you? 01:25:03.426 --> 01:25:10.794 - Right. He's different. Yeah. They see, they see guided. He always said, you know what I mean? We sat 01:25:10.794 --> 01:25:18.235 - out front of this porch where we would all kind of, you know, kind of connect. It's at a crossroad in 01:25:18.235 --> 01:25:25.530 - Wicker Park, little hip hop shop that is my homie owned it. And like the little guard basement with 01:25:25.530 --> 01:25:30.782 - the Afrocentric bookstore. So we used to all kick it around that thick. 01:25:32.226 --> 01:25:41.325 - So we were sitting out there one day on the porch and it was raining. And I had just seen this movie, 01:25:41.325 --> 01:25:50.335 - some culture flick, where the roster man was like, with intention he could bring down lightning. And 01:25:50.335 --> 01:25:59.702 - I was like, what? And I got that kind of mind where I'm like, well, why not? And I was sitting out there 01:25:59.702 --> 01:26:00.862 - in the rain. 01:26:01.282 --> 01:26:09.966 - Me and JC standing out there underneath the army. And I was thinking about this flick. And I was like, 01:26:09.966 --> 01:26:18.397 - I wonder. And so I looked in, I put my intention. I also had the intention, mind you, that it would 01:26:18.397 --> 01:26:26.912 - bring no harm. And I pointed at a certain area in the sky, right? And lightning came down. I'm like, 01:26:26.912 --> 01:26:30.622 - OK. And I looked over there, and I focused. 01:26:31.106 --> 01:26:39.610 - and I pointed and lightning came down. I looked over there and lightning came down. And JC sitting right 01:26:39.610 --> 01:26:47.710 - next to me, I'm just a little naughty big dread, right? I'm like, dude, dude, dude, I'm doing that. 01:26:47.710 --> 01:26:54.270 - I'm like, look, and I do the thing again, right? And he looks at me and he goes, 01:27:00.130 --> 01:27:09.582 - and now I get it because there's certain things like like I could tell one these kind of things but 01:27:09.582 --> 01:27:19.507 - for some people in the world it would shake their whole grid to the point where it wouldn't be conducive 01:27:19.507 --> 01:27:29.054 - to their spiritual development in reality because they're not ready for that particular bit of meat. 01:27:29.474 --> 01:27:35.783 - And you know, I'm, you know, I'm gonna just say this, bro, the world, so they don't, you know, people 01:27:35.783 --> 01:27:42.155 - don't believe shit, you know, if, if, if, you know, if you don't, so, you know, they don't have, a lot 01:27:42.155 --> 01:27:48.341 - of people don't have connections to their spiritual. Self. Yeah, their spiritual stuff, I'm trying, 01:27:48.341 --> 01:27:54.650 - I'm trying, I'm trying, yeah. Their spiritual navigation system, that's what I, yeah, their spiritual 01:27:54.650 --> 01:27:57.310 - navigation system. That's what I'm saying. 01:27:57.666 --> 01:28:04.136 - you know a conversation with a person can allow for you to be able to read through the energy what's 01:28:04.136 --> 01:28:10.798 - what you know what I'm saying if your navigation system is working is what I'm saying so cats who don't 01:28:10.798 --> 01:28:17.396 - have no navigation system when they hear spiritual conversations it's like yeah whatever shut the fuck 01:28:17.396 --> 01:28:24.251 - up bullshit too you see what I'm saying but you have some kind of spiritual navigation they get goosebumps 01:28:24.251 --> 01:28:27.646 - they get affected it affects them in reality because 01:28:28.418 --> 01:28:35.892 - the spirit that carries through in the word, the words is word, but the spirit that's in the word, the 01:28:35.892 --> 01:28:42.931 - words behind the words tell my spirit whether it's true and then I get goose bumps. You feel me? 01:28:42.931 --> 01:28:50.622 - The word, the truth of the divine, this is something that you touch on as deep, you know, cause I utilize 01:28:50.622 --> 01:28:54.686 - it on one level as the awareness of that fact and just, 01:28:54.978 --> 01:29:02.125 - when in my interactions with certain with certain ones and ones. Cause I can, this time and time and 01:29:02.125 --> 01:29:09.343 - Bridget, I know like I'll say a certain thing in the midst of a reason, spiritual reason with someone 01:29:09.343 --> 01:29:16.703 - and no, they felt a vibe. So often they'll do the look down thing. They'll look down at their arc cause 01:29:16.703 --> 01:29:24.062 - they got goosebumps. You understand? So the truth penetrates a person and their soul is in there. Yeah. 01:29:24.162 --> 01:29:31.247 - And when you speak from that, when the person is speaking, how they say in spirit and in truth, then 01:29:31.247 --> 01:29:38.473 - it has to like, it's all kind of car. What is that? It's a train horn in the background. Oh, right now 01:29:38.473 --> 01:29:45.908 - the soul has to resonate because it literally is its own self. It's its own essence. The truth is bounced 01:29:45.908 --> 01:29:50.398 - at it. It's going like a tune is for, you know what I'm saying? 01:29:50.594 --> 01:29:57.372 - 100% it must be felt on certain levels, some of that is, you know, that's why we here to a certain degree. 01:29:57.372 --> 01:30:04.276 - I feel is that some people's catalyst to awakening. Yeah, I agree. I was talking to that casual interaction. 01:30:04.276 --> 01:30:10.738 - It might've been, you know, nothing to I and I, but to that person. It was profound. Yeah. And it was 01:30:10.738 --> 01:30:12.638 - their first initiation to it. 01:30:13.026 --> 01:30:18.390 - So it could definitely be like you see a crack in the shell or a shaking of the whole frame because 01:30:18.390 --> 01:30:23.861 - you like, my goodness, hold on, now damn. You know what I'm saying? If you've never looked beyond the 01:30:23.861 --> 01:30:29.225 - veil, if you've never attempted to crack, you know what I'm saying? Crack that shell and see what's 01:30:29.225 --> 01:30:34.642 - outside that mug when you do or somebody come along who brush up against you and you just, you can't 01:30:34.642 --> 01:30:40.167 - deny it. Like you said, it touched you. In fact, this is what brought that up, the goosebump thing the 01:30:40.167 --> 01:30:42.366 - other day. I was talking to a young cat. 01:30:42.946 --> 01:30:49.322 - I work with, felt, you know, a farm-colored cat. And I'm telling him a story. And you know how we talk. 01:30:49.322 --> 01:30:55.698 - It ain't even a matter of me saying, you know, like I said, what I said, I said, like, that shit really 01:30:55.698 --> 01:31:02.013 - happened, bro. You know what I'm saying? We just say things like that, right? And he was like, no, no, 01:31:02.013 --> 01:31:08.573 - I believe you. I know because I can tell because, like, if you were lying, I wouldn't have got goosebumps. 01:31:08.573 --> 01:31:12.190 - Like, I got goosebumps, my whole fucking, look at my shit. 01:31:12.354 --> 01:31:17.627 - You had to give him some kudos. I did. That's why I'm telling this story. Because a lot of our young 01:31:17.627 --> 01:31:23.058 - people don't know to pay attention to that. Yes. Like, dude, pay attention. He was lying. He was lying. 01:31:23.058 --> 01:31:28.331 - He was lying. I couldn't have got goosebumps. I said, go ahead, little man. Go ahead, young man. You 01:31:28.331 --> 01:31:33.761 - see what you do. Yeah. So I approve of him. You know, I told him I ain't going to rush you. But at some 01:31:33.761 --> 01:31:39.139 - point, I do want to have him on the channel. You know what I'm saying? He deep into the Illuminati and 01:31:39.139 --> 01:31:41.854 - that kind of thing. So I'd like for him to do that. 01:31:41.986 --> 01:31:48.907 - I mean, his spouse is big. That's a stage. Let him get through that because he got greater clarity to 01:31:48.907 --> 01:31:55.625 - offer. Yeah, yeah. I see where he's going. I'm in no rush. I told him I'm in no rush. We hang out, 01:31:55.625 --> 01:32:02.682 - so yeah. I told him I'm in no rush. The greatest maturity I and I saw that, you can't hit me with this, 01:32:02.682 --> 01:32:08.924 - it was actually during my first travel to New Mexico where I'm at now. Young brethren, too. 01:32:08.924 --> 01:32:11.774 - Kind of stumped, and I was old, you know. 01:32:12.194 --> 01:32:20.414 - you know, I would start on my, you know, ministry and whatnot, start doing the whole teaching thing, 01:32:20.414 --> 01:32:29.041 - being in culture. And the brethren walked up to me and he said, can you, but he said, but can you express 01:32:29.041 --> 01:32:37.343 - it? And I was like, damn, yeah, you know, I'm talking God. And at that time, I mean, though I, though 01:32:37.343 --> 01:32:41.982 - really I would have to say, you know, it wasn't the best 01:32:42.626 --> 01:32:53.449 - he could have offered me per se. At that time, I was expressing it just, but not as deliberately and 01:32:53.449 --> 01:33:03.844 - consciously. You understand, I was going on just pure, which is dope, don't get me wrong at all, 01:33:03.844 --> 01:33:11.774 - on just pure, dope, raw spirit. Yeah. In spirit, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. 01:33:12.290 --> 01:33:23.117 - Do that, okay. Do that, okay. Pure, really pure obedience. Otherwise I couldn't have seen my, if you 01:33:23.117 --> 01:33:34.052 - told me I'm gonna leave a rainbow gathering. Bro, okay, let's get to that. So at this point I had the 01:33:34.052 --> 01:33:41.342 - kid, at a certain point, mom start acting up. So she thank the kid. 01:33:44.226 --> 01:33:52.439 - and take him to Minnesota, unbeknownst to me, basically kidnapped him, which, you know, that's how I 01:33:52.439 --> 01:34:00.652 - know there's a guy in my heart, because somebody else would have been like, I'm calling Popo and all 01:34:00.652 --> 01:34:09.108 - that, but I'm just like. So how old was the kid and you and at this stage? He was like, I think at that 01:34:09.108 --> 01:34:13.662 - point he was seven, six, yes, six, seven, six or seven. 01:34:13.890 --> 01:34:21.351 - around that age. So you have been with her for a number of years. We're close to our kids, bro. So you 01:34:21.351 --> 01:34:28.159 - have been with her for a number of years. So that was shaking on the heart tip for my person. 01:34:28.159 --> 01:34:35.475 - That was like, we talk about traumas and stuff. That was definitely like, oh, my shorty, you took my 01:34:35.475 --> 01:34:42.718 - shorty. I could never see that happening. You did. But then that also at the same time freed me up. 01:34:44.354 --> 01:34:53.804 - And a year ago, I had on that earlier mentioned recording project with my friend, Atma, been in Minnesota 01:34:53.804 --> 01:35:03.522 - where I met this young lady who's a rainbow person. And she was like, you gotta go to the rainbow gathering. 01:35:03.522 --> 01:35:13.150 - I was like, well, if John calls me, then I'll be there. We'll see what y'all do. So a year before the year, 01:35:13.538 --> 01:35:22.872 - Explain to us what the rainbow gathering is because we're dealing in a different generation. I'm going 01:35:22.872 --> 01:35:32.206 - there too. I got it. For those that don't know what the rainbow gatherings are, there is this hope and 01:35:32.206 --> 01:35:41.450 - prophecy that there will be these rainbow people and they will gather together to create and usher in 01:35:41.450 --> 01:35:43.262 - peace for humanity. 01:35:44.930 --> 01:35:51.825 - So off of that, a bunch of hippies took this prophecy, basically, and a whole bunch of other people, 01:35:51.825 --> 01:35:58.993 - spiritual cats. The National Gathering, there's literally people from all over the world at the National 01:35:58.993 --> 01:36:05.888 - Gatherings. So you get Indian, you know, practitioners of Sat Dharma or Hinduism, as people commonly 01:36:05.888 --> 01:36:12.510 - know it, that are actual practitioners from India up at the Rainbow Gathering doing their thing. 01:36:12.898 --> 01:36:20.832 - somebody from, you know, Islam, and somebody from the spiritual things, so on and so forth, to get all 01:36:20.832 --> 01:36:28.688 - those cats into rainbow gathering. And then on the 4th of July, they all get together in a circle and 01:36:28.688 --> 01:36:36.545 - they chant all for world peace. Beautiful. So, a year from this sister invited me to this thing, this 01:36:36.545 --> 01:36:37.854 - brethren I know, 01:36:38.498 --> 01:36:46.646 - This young, you know, dreadlock, I always see him in the neighborhood on his roller skates. He's that, 01:36:46.646 --> 01:36:54.872 - he's that dreadlock. He's on his roller skates in the middle of the street with a bow staff doing like, 01:36:54.872 --> 01:37:03.099 - you know, Kung Fu martial arts with a bow staff on roller skates going down the street. He's that dude, 01:37:03.099 --> 01:37:05.630 - bro. And he rolls up one night. 01:37:05.954 --> 01:37:13.415 - I was sitting in the park, I broke up with my queen and all this. I was sitting in the park wondering 01:37:13.415 --> 01:37:20.802 - what the heck to do with life at that moment. And he rolls up to me and he's like, hey, I'm going to 01:37:20.802 --> 01:37:28.702 - the rainbow gathering. If you got some gas money in a couple of days, you can roll with me. And I was like, 01:37:30.210 --> 01:37:37.117 - And it dawned on me cause I was actually just like hour ago before he rolled up was thinking about, 01:37:37.117 --> 01:37:44.301 - you know, the summer before and wondering when the rainbow gathering was. And I didn't really know what 01:37:44.301 --> 01:37:51.346 - exact date it was. And he rolled up on me like that. And I was like, okay, God, right. Yes. I'm going 01:37:51.346 --> 01:37:58.391 - to the rainbow gathering, the green, and you know, so I flipped that real quick, quick, made some gas 01:37:58.391 --> 01:37:59.358 - money happen. 01:37:59.842 --> 01:38:07.504 - And I went to the Rainbow Gathering. So when I got there, I had one of the little hemp backpacks with 01:38:07.504 --> 01:38:15.091 - some stones in it, some crystals and whatnot, which I moved to different places. I left in different 01:38:15.091 --> 01:38:22.603 - places in the forest. And when I left the Rainbow Gathering, before I left the Rainbow Gathering, I 01:38:22.603 --> 01:38:29.214 - was kicking it with some elders from Taos, New Mexico. And they invited me out to Taos. 01:38:29.378 --> 01:38:37.070 - I was like, well, I'm gonna sleep on it, I say to them, and I'll see what y'all say. So I went, 01:38:37.070 --> 01:38:45.164 - you know, into my tent. Don't ask me how I got a tent, because I didn't have one before I got there. 01:38:45.164 --> 01:38:53.497 - I somehow got a tent. And I went into my tent, brushed my head and thing, and I had a very clear vision 01:38:53.497 --> 01:38:56.542 - of traveling in a white Jeep Cherokee 01:38:56.898 --> 01:39:05.031 - with gold trim and gold spoke hubs, very clear. And so I woke up and I tabled that, you know, vision. 01:39:05.031 --> 01:39:13.243 - And the elders was asking for help with their gear and whatnot to their car. They had big TP poles and 01:39:13.243 --> 01:39:20.817 - all this vibe. So I was, like I said, in my 20s then. So yeah, I was like, worry, no pressure. 01:39:20.817 --> 01:39:26.558 - So I went and, you know, helped them and I tried down to their vehicle. 01:39:28.258 --> 01:39:36.054 - And what is the vehicle? Well, the white Jeep Cherokee with gold trim and gold spoke up. So I went to 01:39:36.054 --> 01:39:44.309 - Taos, New Mexico. Yes, sir. Where I went to my first sweat lodge here, there in Taos. And then I connected. 01:39:44.309 --> 01:39:52.182 - It was adopted, kind of taken in by some Tiwa people here on the rez. And so I was in the reservation, 01:39:52.182 --> 01:39:57.150 - on the reservation probably like once or twice a month sweating. 01:39:57.570 --> 01:40:06.591 - in the Anipi in this wet lodge for about a year or two. And I was living on the mesa in the tent and 01:40:06.591 --> 01:40:16.059 - or ship for part of that time. At a certain point, I remember I was living on two piece mesa and somebody 01:40:16.059 --> 01:40:25.438 - came, one of the hippie friends who came and dropped some mushroom medicine on me. And I was like, word. 01:40:26.626 --> 01:40:36.316 - I'm gonna go and make this tea. And I have a simple intent of, I'm gonna make this tea in about maybe 01:40:36.316 --> 01:40:45.816 - two miles or so from where I was staying at and walk. There's a Buddhist stupa. So I was gonna, I'm 01:40:45.816 --> 01:40:54.366 - gonna walk to the stupa. This is in Taos? This is in Taos, yeah. Off the grid. Okay. And, 01:40:56.546 --> 01:41:05.572 - So I make my tea and everything, and I put on my little jacket and whatnot. And I start trod out toward 01:41:05.572 --> 01:41:14.252 - the stupa. You know what a stupa looks like? Yeah. I'll explain. I'll explain it later. But anyway. 01:41:14.252 --> 01:41:22.150 - Oh yeah, because other people may not. A stupa, a Buddhist stupa, is basically a platform, 01:41:22.150 --> 01:41:26.142 - a square platform. And it's got four columns. 01:41:26.434 --> 01:41:33.893 - And then it's got one of those Arab-style round that comes to a point roof on it, with a statue of the 01:41:33.893 --> 01:41:41.352 - Buddha sitting underneath it. All right, so I'll get this, you know, nearest, like, kind of holy spot. 01:41:41.352 --> 01:41:49.100 - I'm not necessarily Buddhist or anything, though I don't, you know, I like, I dig the Buddhist principles, 01:41:49.100 --> 01:41:55.038 - though. They're pretty fiery. They're pretty close to Rastafari in a lot of ways. 01:41:55.938 --> 01:42:03.729 - anyhow so it was the closest like kind of holy site so that was my attempt to simply you know i'm gonna 01:42:03.729 --> 01:42:11.370 - take this tea in and i'm gonna trot to this buddhist stupa and go you know pray so i drink my tea and 01:42:11.370 --> 01:42:19.161 - i put on my jacket and i go trot out and i get about a block maybe a block and a half there's no actual 01:42:19.161 --> 01:42:23.806 - blocks out there of course but maybe about a block and a half 01:42:24.706 --> 01:42:33.666 - and it starts to flurry snow. And I'm like, got a windbreaker on and I'm like, oh snap, I'm really not, 01:42:33.666 --> 01:42:42.368 - and it started to really speed up as the snow is. And I'm like, I'm not dressed for this. So I gotta 01:42:42.368 --> 01:42:51.587 - go back into the warm, cozy crib, everybody in there smoking, having fun and whatnot. And I got my intent, 01:42:51.587 --> 01:42:53.310 - my Shaman's intent. 01:42:53.538 --> 01:43:00.766 - I'm going to do this thing. And so I did get tempted as I moved into the warm space to stay in there. 01:43:00.766 --> 01:43:08.136 - And I was like, nah, nah, nah, something going to happen if I do this. And just, you know, be committed 01:43:08.136 --> 01:43:15.435 - to this simple intent, something going to happen. Yeah. And so I went and I got, you know, sweater and 01:43:15.435 --> 01:43:20.254 - heavy coat mittens and big, thick scully and tried back out. Right. 01:43:21.538 --> 01:43:40.060 - I'm trying to get past where I was before. And it's straight up Chicago blizzarding in New Mexico out 01:43:40.060 --> 01:43:48.958 - there. I'm like, oh, this is real. I'm like, OK. 01:43:49.506 --> 01:43:56.465 - This is real. But then I just get determined. So now I'm super determined. I'm like, I'm going to get 01:43:56.465 --> 01:44:03.493 - to the stupa. So I keep trying. I keep trying. I try another mile. It's coming down like big fat stick 01:44:03.493 --> 01:44:10.452 - in your eyelashes. You know what I'm saying? Tight snowflake. I was straight trying through that. And 01:44:10.452 --> 01:44:17.547 - I finally, I get to the stupa. And I'm like, just related to just be there. Just stupid happy. My word, 01:44:17.547 --> 01:44:18.366 - I got here. 01:44:18.978 --> 01:44:27.215 - So I'm just, I got my little Trinity and I'm just giving thanks. And I realized as I'm sitting there 01:44:27.215 --> 01:44:35.453 - that there's no snow falling on my face, where it's, you know, buried. And so I opened up my eyes to 01:44:35.453 --> 01:44:43.771 - see if it stops snowing. And I look behind the stupa, I can see the snow falling. I'm like, okay. And 01:44:43.771 --> 01:44:48.094 - I look to the left of me and I can see snow falling. 01:44:48.258 --> 01:44:56.975 - out there, not on me, in the stupa, and I look same way to the right and behind me, same wise, and then 01:44:56.975 --> 01:45:05.525 - I look up, and if I were to draw a line from the point of the roof of the stupa, straight up into the 01:45:05.525 --> 01:45:13.907 - sky, it would be in the center of this opening that had happened in the cloud over my head as I was 01:45:13.907 --> 01:45:18.014 - sitting there praying. Wow. And I just was like, 01:45:18.498 --> 01:45:28.408 - I'm like whoa this is this I can't believe this is this is happening right this is like I read all kind 01:45:28.408 --> 01:45:38.794 - of spiritual autobiographies and this kind of thing bro I'm like and read of things of this nature happening 01:45:38.794 --> 01:45:44.702 - but this is me yeah of course you dig and I'm like oh shit oh 01:45:46.562 --> 01:45:53.872 - I just give and praise, give and praise, give and praise, you feel me? Of course. To where, and then 01:45:53.872 --> 01:46:01.400 - I just walk home and I remember, you know, I've been told too many people and it's probably a half full 01:46:01.400 --> 01:46:08.637 - of people I took because it's one of those things that you're only supposed to tell certain people. 01:46:08.637 --> 01:46:13.342 - You know what I mean? Now I'm telling a mass of people, I guess, 01:46:14.946 --> 01:46:25.669 - in a certain in a certain field in matter way where ones can realize that certain things occur in this 01:46:25.669 --> 01:46:36.392 - reality through spirit that how they say truth is stranger than fiction they'll mean certain spiritual 01:46:36.392 --> 01:46:42.014 - happenings that occur on the path you know i mean are 01:46:44.354 --> 01:46:50.931 - They seem fairytale-ish even to some. No, I had a whole Mr. Spinner pop up in my life. I had animals 01:46:50.931 --> 01:46:57.898 - and stuff start walking up to me out of the blue when I was in Chicago, man. That's when I started rooting 01:46:57.898 --> 01:47:04.670 - up and getting deeper in my spirituality. Channing, going night being the artist by meditating. I would 01:47:04.670 --> 01:47:08.382 - be sitting somewhere after some little, you know, works. 01:47:10.146 --> 01:47:16.189 - on the back porch and the possum will pop out the bush and walk up to me like, hey, what's up? Like, 01:47:16.189 --> 01:47:22.291 - hey, what's up? I'm smoking my spliff. Yeah, it was good. Look at me, I looked at Eddie, we vibed. We 01:47:22.291 --> 01:47:28.514 - walked back out to walk in the bush, you know what I'm saying? Another time, it's a deer. You know what 01:47:28.514 --> 01:47:34.556 - I'm saying? Another time, it's a skunk. Yeah, we've had our own experiences, like I said. We used to 01:47:34.556 --> 01:47:39.582 - sit on the back when we was all broke. I do remember that day. Yeah, I was talking. 01:47:39.938 --> 01:47:47.145 - Yeah, I was talking about that not long ago, and we was chanting, and I was about to leave, and the 01:47:47.145 --> 01:47:54.352 - deer was at the door like, dog, look at this. Baby deer listening at the door. It was a little baby 01:47:54.352 --> 01:48:01.847 - deer, bro, with spots. And it was literally like when you opened the door. Yeah, listening at the door. 01:48:01.847 --> 01:48:09.630 - It was listening at the door, and it literally had its head cocked on the door when you opened the doorway. 01:48:09.826 --> 01:48:17.582 - I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was in there chanting, yeah. Me and the other you, I was in there chanting 01:48:17.582 --> 01:48:25.047 - up the Seeky vibes. That was when I was into the Seeky parties. When I was in there chanting the vibe. 01:48:25.047 --> 01:48:32.513 - And sure enough, you went out there to check your guy, your client. They're standing at the door like, 01:48:32.513 --> 01:48:39.326 - hey, this is tight. Y'all got the spiritual vibes going on in here. You know what I'm saying? 01:48:39.618 --> 01:48:45.986 - Hey, that's what is you read in a book. You feel me? Yeah. We, we, cause when I left and I left, 01:48:45.986 --> 01:48:52.683 - cause we had, we had all, we have been, we have, we have, yeah, we've been chatting for a minute. And 01:48:52.683 --> 01:48:59.248 - when I left the first, first the deer was there that happened. Right. And then as I'm walking to my 01:48:59.248 --> 01:49:06.141 - house, it was a man walking his dog and his dog was trying so hard to get across the street, man. Trying 01:49:06.141 --> 01:49:07.454 - to get to me. Yeah. 01:49:07.778 --> 01:49:14.966 - So I'm trying to get to me, bro. It was crazy. And I was like, man, that's real, bro. I remember that 01:49:14.966 --> 01:49:22.154 - day because we reasoned about, because you asked, I and I, about communing with nature. You were very 01:49:22.154 --> 01:49:29.695 - specific, which I always dig specific questions because Mugs be asking some broad, nebulous-ass questions. 01:49:29.695 --> 01:49:35.262 - And then one is some kind of answering it with clarity. And I'll be like, how? 01:49:35.458 --> 01:49:42.348 - That's been a broad-ass question like that, but when a person asks a question that's clear, you know 01:49:42.348 --> 01:49:49.443 - what I'm saying, then it's easy, you know what I mean? Yeah. You know what I mean? People actually have 01:49:49.443 --> 01:49:56.265 - some clarity. That was, you're one of the first people that really, you know, ask a clear question. 01:49:56.265 --> 01:49:59.198 - You know, you know, a lot of people don't. 01:49:59.778 --> 01:50:06.234 - as well, like when I was telling you, I was behind GE and I was praying very loudly because nobody was 01:50:06.234 --> 01:50:12.502 - there and it was sunny and it was on the hill and then butterflies came and started surrounding me. 01:50:12.502 --> 01:50:18.958 - Yeah, I've had some experience. Like I said, I was talking earlier to, like I said, a young lady named 01:50:18.958 --> 01:50:25.727 - Tammy and we did an interview and I was telling her about, you know, why I think we have these experiences. 01:50:25.727 --> 01:50:28.798 - And I think we kind of agreed because it's like, 01:50:29.090 --> 01:50:36.126 - When you get in the muck of the matrix and the bullshit, you got to be able to remember those spiritual 01:50:36.126 --> 01:50:43.028 - experiences to always be able to realign with self and center again and not be trapped in the muck of 01:50:43.028 --> 01:50:49.794 - the bullshit. You know what I mean? It's a way that you always got like, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, 01:50:49.794 --> 01:50:56.830 - I'm connected. You know what I'm saying? It's always a way to move back into self versus being trapped. 01:50:56.962 --> 01:51:04.389 - I don't like to call them signs per se because we don't necessarily be looking at this point I don't 01:51:04.389 --> 01:51:11.889 - think be really looking for okay am I spiritual the signs of am I really in that kind of way you know 01:51:11.889 --> 01:51:19.609 - I'm saying that we did when we were still younger and there's a certain uncertainty because and it still 01:51:19.609 --> 01:51:24.830 - minds you quite the world the spiritual world vast beyond reckoning so 01:51:26.210 --> 01:51:33.352 - But as a young person, there's a certain uncertainty at first. You're like, whoa, is this real? Whoa. 01:51:33.352 --> 01:51:40.634 - You know what I'm saying? At first, you know what I mean? But then later on, you're not so much looking 01:51:40.634 --> 01:51:48.126 - for signs to confirm, per se, your spirituality. But you are aware that different signs, such as timing or 01:51:48.578 --> 01:51:55.557 - Communion with nature or nature coming to ones and ones in the form of animal or elements like the wind 01:51:55.557 --> 01:52:02.335 - even or rain or something of this nature a leaf falling on you on your nose and specific timing with 01:52:02.335 --> 01:52:09.046 - a specific thought going through your mind this kind of thing you you're not looking for that stuff 01:52:09.046 --> 01:52:15.757 - to happen, but it happens because your ones and ones are I Like how to eat kings they attend to the 01:52:15.757 --> 01:52:17.502 - to the path and not to go 01:52:20.610 --> 01:52:28.759 - You feel me? It's the same thought that's behind you. Dig on, you know, be more excited about the journey 01:52:28.759 --> 01:52:36.600 - to the destination, per se. Yeah. Yeah. It's just better being present. You know what I mean? Because 01:52:36.600 --> 01:52:43.672 - most of the life is the journey. You feel me? Yeah. Yes. Of course. Yeah. Even when you get 01:52:43.672 --> 01:52:49.822 - to the destination, here comes more journey. That's short. That's really short. 01:52:49.986 --> 01:52:55.774 - I was talking to some shorties about this, I and I, like some youngins, and they got it. That's why 01:52:55.774 --> 01:53:01.679 - it was such a pleasure. I told them, I was like, you know, they were old enough where one of them had 01:53:01.679 --> 01:53:07.525 - graduated grammar school, the other one were old enough to graduate at least kindergarten. I'm like, 01:53:07.525 --> 01:53:13.603 - think about how long it took you. It took you three or four years to finally graduate from kindergarten, 01:53:13.603 --> 01:53:17.886 - eight years to graduate from grammar school. And then when you graduated, 01:53:18.018 --> 01:53:24.370 - It was a day, you got some little bit of money and some tape and it was done. Pretty much. Congratulations. 01:53:24.370 --> 01:53:29.899 - Next. You know what I'm saying? Then you're in the next journey and that's eight years to the 01:53:29.899 --> 01:53:35.839 - next graduation. And then that's, you have that graduation, it's done. You have that day, maybe two, 01:53:35.839 --> 01:53:41.780 - three days, everybody's like, ooh, you graduated, congratulations. Let's go go, what college are you 01:53:41.780 --> 01:53:47.838 - going to? Do all that little excitement and that goes pretty quickly. Then you're in the next journey. 01:53:48.194 --> 01:53:54.720 - Yeah, that's life. So, you know, if you learn how to, you know, I told you, wouldn't it be smart to 01:53:54.720 --> 01:54:01.245 - enjoy most of the journey? They got it. They were like, that makes sense. You know, so it's kind of 01:54:01.245 --> 01:54:08.097 - one of my focuses even in the now really is, is enjoying the, you know, journey. Yeah. Realize, oh yeah, 01:54:08.097 --> 01:54:14.754 - that's right. I did this on purpose. Yeah. A lot, you know what I'm saying? Cause there are points in 01:54:14.754 --> 01:54:17.886 - the journey where, you know, it's an adventure. 01:54:18.178 --> 01:54:25.850 - Like, like you said, it's a, yeah. And at times, like I said, you can even see the lineup. You can see 01:54:25.850 --> 01:54:33.298 - the setup. You can see how, you know what I'm saying? How, yeah, I can see how I chose all of this. 01:54:33.298 --> 01:54:41.044 - I can see how I got here from there. Yeah. When you have those moments of clarity, it definitely helps. 01:54:41.044 --> 01:54:45.662 - I, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm appreciative of this conversation. 01:54:45.890 --> 01:54:52.312 - but I think it's generally more high level than the average person gonna be able to vibe with. You know 01:54:52.312 --> 01:54:58.981 - what I'm saying? Not saying that they don't, that they won't, and that they can't, but I think in generally 01:54:58.981 --> 01:55:04.786 - speaking, the average person is not having that level of consciousness. You know what I mean? 01:55:04.786 --> 01:55:11.146 - Like you said, the average person is still looking for that proof of spirituality. I think that's what 01:55:11.146 --> 01:55:13.246 - it's about to us being, you know, 01:55:13.698 --> 01:55:21.211 - ones and ones being in our quote unquote authenticity because otherwise they don't have a window into 01:55:21.211 --> 01:55:28.871 - that. You know what I'm saying? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And, and I'm not, yeah, I have windows. I was like, 01:55:28.871 --> 01:55:36.531 - Oh, you don't mean I had a JC that dude kept popping up so synchronistically that I had to realize that 01:55:36.531 --> 01:55:43.454 - God one that there was a diet and that that God and man had to be connected. Yeah, of course. 01:55:44.034 --> 01:55:52.662 - course you did so crucial being you know what I'm saying so and I and then I see myself serving in those 01:55:52.662 --> 01:56:01.125 - same functions essentially in this time frame you know for this or that one and you know ones and ones 01:56:01.125 --> 01:56:09.342 - oh wow and that experience oh I remember I had this talk with JC about community I had to talk with 01:56:09.342 --> 01:56:12.382 - JC about community right you feel me 01:56:13.410 --> 01:56:19.118 - And then I, he explained it, you know, oh, that's all. Okay. And it was pretty much almost 01:56:19.118 --> 01:56:25.578 - similar conversation that we had. When I had that experience and the dog was like, Hey, you were like, 01:56:25.578 --> 01:56:31.913 - Hey, all this is telepathic energy, you know? Yeah. And that's what I'm, that's, look, this is what, 01:56:31.913 --> 01:56:38.750 - this is one of the things I was talking about with, with the young lady, right? And actually with everybody. 01:56:39.042 --> 01:56:47.014 - like not everybody, but probably like three people who I trust to talk about this kind of stuff, what 01:56:47.014 --> 01:56:54.907 - I was talking about, you know, like part of what I pray about now and my meditation is to be able to 01:56:54.907 --> 01:57:02.801 - heighten the expression of all of my senses, right? And to be able to, and so I've been doing it for 01:57:02.801 --> 01:57:08.350 - a couple of weeks, right? And I feel like, and you know, I got to tell 01:57:09.570 --> 01:57:16.835 - So like I'm actually becoming psychic, right? And that how it feels, what it feels like, I can explain 01:57:16.835 --> 01:57:23.888 - what it feels like. And I think, you know, and I'm sure I'm confident the more I'll do it, the more 01:57:23.888 --> 01:57:31.012 - all of what I'm explaining grows and becomes more, more, more energy field, right? Because it's like 01:57:31.012 --> 01:57:37.854 - up close to me, it's like, you know, you can feel Mug walk behind you, right? You can feel that. 01:57:38.274 --> 01:57:46.311 - And so it's like that energy, but it extends out further. So it's like the closer it is to your body 01:57:46.311 --> 01:57:54.349 - is similar to the feeling of somebody walking behind you, but further out, it's a little less clear. 01:57:54.349 --> 01:58:02.466 - But as I pray, the density of emotion and expression and understanding of what I'm feeling of anybody 01:58:02.466 --> 01:58:06.206 - within the range of me is going to become more 01:58:06.818 --> 01:58:12.411 - obvious and prevalent and less needed to be explained through words. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, 01:58:12.411 --> 01:58:18.058 - I feel like that process is actually coming and I feel like it's something people can do that you can 01:58:18.058 --> 01:58:23.596 - do it. You know what I'm saying? Like it's not something that you have to already have, but you can 01:58:23.596 --> 01:58:29.243 - practice it and you can pray for it and you can be consciously. It's just a matter of- There's levels 01:58:29.243 --> 01:58:33.950 - and degrees of it, yes. And the more intently conscious of it you are, then the more 01:58:34.594 --> 01:58:41.008 - you awaken it or access it or, or can be conscious of it. You know what I mean? So totally. I mean, 01:58:41.008 --> 01:58:47.486 - I live like that for the most part. I mean, a lot of when, when this or that one or come reason with 01:58:47.486 --> 01:58:53.963 - I and I about this, not like I don't have a script. Yeah, never. You feel me? That person coming and 01:58:53.963 --> 01:59:00.698 - I reason with them, the things that I put upon, I and I reason with them about, cause otherwise I don't, 01:59:00.698 --> 01:59:02.686 - I would just be silent really. 01:59:03.138 --> 01:59:10.491 - or I would sing or do some music or, you know what I'm saying? Something creative like that, if it was 01:59:10.491 --> 01:59:17.986 - just I, and that's it. But when that person come, is the feeling where, okay, there's a certain service, 01:59:17.986 --> 01:59:25.268 - you know what I mean? Where I and I open, I and I self, like a sacrifice, so to speak, and this tends 01:59:25.268 --> 01:59:32.478 - to be a channel for a source. You know, cause that person have whatever blockages where they're not, 01:59:32.706 --> 01:59:40.796 - And most of the time, when I reason in such manner with a person, I'm gonna reason with them with things 01:59:40.796 --> 01:59:48.731 - that's upon their mind. And it's things that they did at certain points told themself, but they didn't 01:59:48.731 --> 01:59:56.590 - listen. You know, you feel me? And sometimes I would say that to them, well, you said it to yourself, 01:59:56.590 --> 02:00:01.598 - but you didn't pay attention. You thought you was just tripping. 02:00:02.754 --> 02:00:10.566 - You know, so there needs some ones and ones and that's where I and I as a reality and I substance comes 02:00:10.566 --> 02:00:18.153 - into play. As far as the evolution of humanity of people's inhumanity and things because in order to 02:00:18.153 --> 02:00:25.890 - see this or that blind spotted off who will take and I'm paraphrasing the King actually here. It takes 02:00:25.890 --> 02:00:26.942 - other beings. 02:00:28.962 --> 02:00:37.205 - for this one, because this one now, everybody got a blind spot of sorts, and they might be smaller or 02:00:37.205 --> 02:00:45.366 - bigger. That person's blind spot is different though, you feel me? So they come in contact with each 02:00:45.366 --> 02:00:53.690 - other, they can feasibly build where neither of them has got a blind spot anymore. That being the real 02:00:53.690 --> 02:00:55.710 - function of interactions 02:00:56.130 --> 02:01:04.601 - Bro, that's the human species. You see, like, if you look at all of creation from the fucking quantum 02:01:04.601 --> 02:01:13.737 - mechanic, you know, levels from the smallest thing to the planets and the universe and the cosmos, everything 02:01:13.737 --> 02:01:22.042 - is in cooperation. Everything works together. Except the humans. You know what I mean? Even a human 02:01:22.042 --> 02:01:23.454 - being, brethren? 02:01:23.746 --> 02:01:28.784 - You just have to step back way. You know what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. From the God view, it's all. 02:01:28.784 --> 02:01:34.144 - Because God is. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. You know what I'm saying? Because God is. But this is 02:01:34.144 --> 02:01:39.504 - what we talking about. This is what we talking about. The human beings ain't even free. Yeah, yeah, 02:01:39.504 --> 02:01:44.864 - yeah. But yeah, I fully understand what you're saying. But I'm just saying, both of them bots. Both 02:01:44.864 --> 02:01:50.384 - of them bots, bro. Like right now, right? Like right now, you got it. And I'm saying that with all the 02:01:50.384 --> 02:01:53.118 - love, you feel me? But a lot of them is just bots. 02:01:53.506 --> 02:02:03.468 - flowing with programs. They don't hear their own thinking. They're not aware of their awareness to the 02:02:03.468 --> 02:02:13.332 - degree that spirituality is even considered for most of them. Spirituality is like an extracurricular 02:02:13.332 --> 02:02:23.294 - thing. They'll do that maybe when they get older. My sister told me that should y'all be talking about 02:02:23.426 --> 02:02:31.464 - to most people is considered sci-fi. I said, you know what? I'm going to have to accept that because 02:02:31.464 --> 02:02:39.821 - for us it is reality. But when you're talking to people who don't know this reality, that's just science 02:02:39.821 --> 02:02:48.097 - fiction. Like, dog, you're talking about some bullshit that you saw on a movie or a motherfucking comic 02:02:48.097 --> 02:02:51.838 - book. I'm talking about a man I met last week. 02:02:52.066 --> 02:02:57.955 - We hear you saying, what are you talking about? This is real life, bro. This is an experiential thing 02:02:57.955 --> 02:03:03.959 - you can actually have if that's what you focus on. But if you keep focusing on your phone, you'll never 02:03:03.959 --> 02:03:09.791 - have that, bro. It's not possible. It's not part of your attention span. It's just something you can 02:03:09.791 --> 02:03:15.853 - recognize when it comes. You know, so we sight up, you know, these different, like, nature and all these 02:03:15.853 --> 02:03:20.414 - things. Like, you saw the same thing that I saw when I looked at an ecosystem. 02:03:21.922 --> 02:03:29.177 - What I see basically, in essence, is all of the different parts, all the animals and all the different 02:03:29.177 --> 02:03:35.587 - plant life, Laura and Fana, et cetera, all of it's loving itself. Even the carnivores that 02:03:35.587 --> 02:03:42.842 - eat the non-carnivores and whatnot, because soon come, they're gonna die. When they die, they're gonna 02:03:42.842 --> 02:03:49.534 - go into the earth and they're gonna become grass and plants and the herbivores gonna eat them. 02:03:51.714 --> 02:03:59.970 - So it's all, and leaves fall in the fall and so forth. You dig making that blanket underneath the snow, 02:03:59.970 --> 02:04:07.909 - all this fulfilling life. You know what I'm saying? And man- One beautiful system. The problem with 02:04:07.909 --> 02:04:16.086 - man is that man, some of mankind, not all of them, but some of mankind is under the illusion that they 02:04:16.086 --> 02:04:21.246 - are somehow apart from nature when they breathe oxygen and trees 02:04:21.474 --> 02:04:30.928 - is breathing out the majority of that oxygen and they breathing in the carbon dioxide and transferring 02:04:30.928 --> 02:04:40.291 - it back and forth and we in this coexistence. So even we as a physical being existing need like plant 02:04:40.291 --> 02:04:49.470 - life, we'd be something without plant life and others be suffocating up in this piece. You feel it? 02:04:49.666 --> 02:04:56.805 - That's a real, real thing. I definitely go up in some high altitudes where it's less plant life. You 02:04:56.805 --> 02:05:04.015 - could feel the air is, you know, you get used to it, but it's different. You know what I'm saying? To 02:05:04.015 --> 02:05:11.437 - really get used to that, you know, different air quality, even though it's cleaner because it's thinner. 02:05:11.437 --> 02:05:18.718 - It's just the lungs get to get a little stronger when I go up in the mountains, adjusting and whatnot. 02:05:19.330 --> 02:05:27.684 - Yes, Sir. Well, I'm going to say this because I have to bring it to a close within a couple of minutes 02:05:27.684 --> 02:05:36.119 - here and I do want you to give any information that you might not have been able to run out or I didn't 02:05:36.119 --> 02:05:44.229 - mention or something that's on your mind that you wanted to share before we get out of here. I take 02:05:44.229 --> 02:05:47.230 - the biggest thing is that, you know, 02:05:49.634 --> 02:06:00.461 - The creator, the source, how would people overstand that or name that? I say Jah, Rastafari, El-Selassie. 02:06:00.461 --> 02:06:11.083 - And I think it's crucial for people of African descent and indigenous descent to know El-Selassie. One, 02:06:11.083 --> 02:06:18.846 - because this is a person who had an exemplary life as a being, as a leader. 02:06:19.938 --> 02:06:32.414 - too, if you really dig into his life, you will see that this man is not just ordinary. And it might 02:06:32.414 --> 02:06:45.139 - get you to look inside ones and one's selves to find that same spirituality, extra-ordinary-ness that 02:06:45.139 --> 02:06:49.630 - is our actual nature of expression. 02:06:50.050 --> 02:06:58.740 - And the more that we are able to be other batches, we, the thumb print that we are each in every one 02:06:58.740 --> 02:07:07.860 - of us, you know, the better that this creation would be. And the more that we look inside for God instead 02:07:07.860 --> 02:07:15.518 - of outside, you know, that most of us been taught this religion thing to look, you know, 02:07:15.746 --> 02:07:23.091 - outside somewhere and God is separate out in the sky and all of this vibe when how does that mean all 02:07:23.091 --> 02:07:30.508 - the love of God you feel that where inside you the peace of God where you feel that inside you the joy 02:07:30.508 --> 02:07:37.781 - any time any of these qualities of the creator that person could feel they're gonna feel them inside 02:07:37.781 --> 02:07:44.766 - the person so that's how I night at heaven is is that there's this and as well this in the midst 02:07:45.602 --> 02:07:59.886 - that a lot of us as Africans in America are quite afraid to really delve and dig on African spirituality. 02:07:59.886 --> 02:08:13.630 - But if ones were to go to a qualified African priest to do counsel, I'm speaking specifically of Ifa, 02:08:15.618 --> 02:08:29.774 - would find that our people, our culture, our history, our spiritual knowledge and the underpinnings 02:08:29.774 --> 02:08:44.638 - of that are so very wise is beyond, it's an underestimation why wisdom is too small a word in actuality. 02:08:46.338 --> 02:08:54.532 - He filled me. I did a couple of readings when I went to the, to the priest real quick. The first one 02:08:54.532 --> 02:09:02.970 - I went, he told me my people's, he did what they call a roots reading, see where my people's come from. 02:09:02.970 --> 02:09:11.164 - And in that reading, he said, what was shown was that we come from a, I come from a line of diviners 02:09:11.164 --> 02:09:15.870 - and spiritual counselors from the cradle of civilization. 02:09:17.346 --> 02:09:27.420 - At the point that he gave me this, I got this reading done, I'd already been practicing divination for 02:09:27.420 --> 02:09:37.493 - 15 or more years, you see. So there's certain things in our bloodlines, in our spirit, in our DNA that 02:09:37.493 --> 02:09:43.166 - were we to go to correct authority, so to speak, we could 02:09:43.298 --> 02:09:49.939 - instead of trying to find this information, because it can be going through meditation, but it's a longer 02:09:49.939 --> 02:09:56.205 - process. We are we as a people already came up with the processes to know, hey, this is what you're 02:09:56.205 --> 02:10:02.721 - here for. This is your calling. This is these are your even your specific dues, things you should watch 02:10:02.721 --> 02:10:08.987 - out for, things you should, you know, try to build as far as in your character. All these things on 02:10:08.987 --> 02:10:11.806 - my second reading, which I recently had were 02:10:12.546 --> 02:10:19.891 - explain so to speak that I say so to speak because all the things that were in what they call my ethyl 02:10:19.891 --> 02:10:27.093 - or life map were things that I again had been doing. I've been wearing white for as long as you know 02:10:27.093 --> 02:10:34.437 - me right pretty much and I found oh you should be wearing white you got this particular spirit on your 02:10:34.437 --> 02:10:40.926 - head he likes this this energy it attracts that energy so a lot of this I say that because 02:10:41.314 --> 02:10:51.618 - because of slavery and all the other things that occurred for 400 years plus, a lot of us are afraid 02:10:51.618 --> 02:11:02.024 - to approach indigenous spirituality or and or African spirituality because it has been beaten into us 02:11:02.024 --> 02:11:09.982 - a fear when the reality is that will enlighten and empower us greatly because 02:11:10.146 --> 02:11:20.360 - Things like Ephah is like 8,000 years old, brethren. That's amazing to me, at least, that God could 02:11:20.360 --> 02:11:30.575 - write something down 8,000 years ago about me, about you, about this person, that person, and it be 02:11:30.575 --> 02:11:37.214 - accurate to a T. See? Hold tight, I lost sound on here. Hold on. 02:11:48.610 --> 02:11:58.401 - I got you back. Okay. So what I was about to say is the EFA, um, what, what method do they use in the 02:11:58.401 --> 02:12:08.575 - divination? Is it like astrology or is it what, what method of divination for the outcome of the reading? 02:12:08.575 --> 02:12:17.502 - Well, with EFA, there's basically patterns. They either throw 16 calorie shells or they have 02:12:18.178 --> 02:12:25.601 - on a rope type of chain, and they throw that and they look at the pattern of that, or they have what's 02:12:25.601 --> 02:12:32.808 - called an appellate chain, which is very interesting. It's basically this certain kind of nut seed, 02:12:32.808 --> 02:12:40.159 - and it's on a chain, it's four of them, and it's two chains. And the person would basically put it in 02:12:40.159 --> 02:12:47.006 - their hand altogether, and then they would throw that out, and depending on how the nuts fall, 02:12:48.066 --> 02:12:56.201 - Mm hmm. And this is a binary. This is this when you dig on it. This is the first the first binary computer 02:12:56.201 --> 02:13:04.488 - we build binary. That was pretty yeah, pretty instantly thought, you know, the zeros and ones of a computer, 02:13:04.488 --> 02:13:11.710 - right? Exactly. You can only get Yeah, you wait. You're a clever one. I know that. But yo, uh, 02:13:12.802 --> 02:13:22.615 - So the first binary computer, and in this particular system, it's 16 by 16. So there are 16 major old 02:13:22.615 --> 02:13:32.812 - dudes. And then when you multiply those 16 by 16, you get 256 permutations for old dudes. And this covers 02:13:32.812 --> 02:13:41.086 - basically all the human experience, man, and pathways of life that people choose. OK. 02:13:41.730 --> 02:13:49.442 - And so these were written, like I said, 8,000 years ago or more. And so that's amazing. When we cite 02:13:49.442 --> 02:13:57.384 - up things like the scripture, it lines up with the Bible even in the sense that the Bible says you were 02:13:57.384 --> 02:14:05.019 - called and preordained before you were clothed in your mother's flesh. This literally, when I go in 02:14:05.019 --> 02:14:08.990 - and got a reading done and it said something about, 02:14:09.314 --> 02:14:18.725 - me and this was written 8 000 it literally is the real deal um manifestation of that scriptural reality 02:14:18.725 --> 02:14:27.955 - and it's been this way since and it doesn't mean per se that a person's life is utterly deterministic 02:14:27.955 --> 02:14:37.185 - you understand me of course of course there's choices in all these things and sacrifices and so forth 02:14:37.185 --> 02:14:38.814 - many of which are 02:14:39.138 --> 02:14:46.453 - you know, of character, how we treat people. Like one of my things is I'm not supposed to speak harshly, 02:14:46.453 --> 02:14:53.560 - for example. Let my words be sweet. That's one of my taboos is to not, you know, cause I will pay and 02:14:53.560 --> 02:15:00.666 - it's been true in my life times where I really like snapped out. Yeah. We learned from the wisdoms of 02:15:00.666 --> 02:15:07.006 - our mistakes. Like somebody else do the same thing and not get the same kind of, you know, 02:15:07.458 --> 02:15:14.547 - because there's certain energies, depending on what we've chosen as spirits. Yes. That's what we were 02:15:14.547 --> 02:15:21.497 - talking about earlier. Like you can't mess around with. You're not supposed to go to hell. Hey, you 02:15:21.497 --> 02:15:28.794 - need to go to heaven. Some people say, Hey, this is heaven. You were supposed to create heaven. So yeah. 02:15:28.794 --> 02:15:35.813 - Oh, did I lose him? It looks like I lost the brother for a minute. Is he gone? Well, okay. Oh, okay. 02:15:35.813 --> 02:15:37.342 - He's back. He's back. 02:15:37.442 --> 02:15:44.232 - All as well, all as well. Okay, well, it's good. It's about time to wrap it up. Anyway, I'd have to, 02:15:44.232 --> 02:15:51.089 - you know, tend to some other things, but I definitely enjoyed this conversation and I look forward to 02:15:51.089 --> 02:15:57.879 - doing it sooner than later. And yeah, anything else you wanted to get out before we get off of here? 02:15:57.879 --> 02:16:04.938 - I think that's all we can cover in this in the midst of this, you know, like you said, my story is long, 02:16:04.938 --> 02:16:07.358 - but I wanted to, you know, hit some 02:16:07.746 --> 02:16:15.758 - fine points mostly again and it's not about so much about me as it was is about like we like one say 02:16:15.758 --> 02:16:23.691 - we one do these does these kind of things feasibly to inspire other ones and ones that are you know 02:16:23.691 --> 02:16:31.623 - seeking or on the path already you know need some affirmation still like the young brother you were 02:16:31.623 --> 02:16:32.734 - talking about 02:16:33.890 --> 02:16:42.049 - to speak to someone older or to have somebody older speaking even and be like, yo, you're not tripping 02:16:42.049 --> 02:16:50.207 - young, keep on it. It's all good. You're not freaking, you're just going into another, you're entering 02:16:50.207 --> 02:16:58.129 - into a spiritual realm on earth. You're into heaven on earth. So don't trip, keep on walking. Well, 02:16:58.129 --> 02:17:03.198 - everyone, I'm glad you all were here. I hope you all can share. 02:17:03.298 --> 02:17:09.208 - Uh, join the channel, man. I don't know y'all missing a lot. There's so much good wisdom coming out 02:17:09.208 --> 02:17:15.296 - of these people. I'm interviewing it. I don't intend to stop. I intend to do interviews and then we'll 02:17:15.296 --> 02:17:21.443 - do sessions on different specific topics. And this is going to continue to grow. So I would appreciate, 02:17:21.443 --> 02:17:26.526 - uh, all of your participation, your sharing your thumbs up, your likes and subscribe. 02:17:26.818 --> 02:17:33.947 - Yeah, your comments as well. You know, you've had experiences and I'm sure, you know, some of these 02:17:33.947 --> 02:17:41.361 - things probably tapped you on the shoulder. So if so, please comment and be involved. But like I always 02:17:41.361 --> 02:17:48.562 - say, all roads lead to spirit and I will see you guys in the next one and hopefully that'll be soon. 02:17:48.562 --> 02:17:56.190 - So peace out, one love. Bless the love and light all the while, Jah. Rastafari. Salam alaikum all as well. 02:17:56.578 --> 02:17:59.582 - One love. One love.