All right, here we are. This is a live stream. We are here today with my brethren. And of course,
you know me, I am your host. You are probably familiar with me, Brother Siddique. Today we are in the
house with one of my elders, OG Abba Ras Nibbanan Tafari. Definitely obviously one of the elders of
the Ras Tafari movement and mission towards this world.
Uh, the brother got a lot to share with us. Uh, his story is long and we are here today and we are live.
And so I'm quite excited that the brother is here. Welcome my big brother. Hey, before we get started,
a little participation with you, my brethren. Yeah. Three words together in truth and in spirit. It's
a simple word. You already know ABBA three times. Yes. ABBA.
Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba,
Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba, Abba,
to be one of your interviewees, by golly. Always, always. You're my humble bit of walk, I would say,
on this journey. It's still a journey, of course, because I'm still pushing there. Where you wanna start,
bro? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm always...
I'm always enamored with your wisdom, so you know, it's very hard for me to cut you when you're speaking,
but yeah, let me take my show over, brother. What you doing here? Do your thing, do your thing, my brother.
It's all love, it's all love, y'all. You know that, you know that. We've been doing the knowledge since
the day we met, you know what I mean? And, uh, nothing but appreciation and love between us and, uh,
Yeah, where do we start? It's so much, I got stories that we could share to the people about things
that we've done and experiences that we've had together, but I think I should start where I always start
with all my guests and be fair to the world and the public and the millions who may be watching this.
Where did your first spiritual experience happen? Where did it start? How did you know something was
going on outside of what is considered the normal?
everyday experience of the muggles. Inside joke, y'all. Inside joke. Don't be too hard on the blood.
Love, it's all love. You know it's all love. I just had to get that one in here. Blessed love and light,
I tell you. Yes, you know. The first experience. Wow. Yeah.
It's interesting because at a certain point, I think we were having a spiritual, I say we, because I
think you shared some of the similar in the sense of things happening at a young age. I don't even know,
I wouldn't have even called it spiritual per se. You know what I'm saying? To me, it was just life.
You understand? And I thought everybody was kind of like, in a way, this way. I mean, maybe that's a
bit egoistic, but that's how kids, most kids are. They just kind of looking through that vision. They
kind of seeing like God, everything is just, you know, reflections of the one. Yeah, you don't, when
you a kid, it is, you think everyone is just like you. You don't imagine that nobody sees the world
differently than you do. That's why they less hateful, you feel me? Even the big ones, like,
That's the big one, yo. That's why they call we hydrant, you know, even no matter, you see elder there,
somebody might walk up to her and I call her a hydrant thing, but it's not an insult. It is a thing
of knowing that you're a child of the most high. It is in that sense. So we all hydrant, no matter how
big or how elevated or attained or what have you, somebody may get.
but the first thing i think i remember i was seven and both my parents smoked herbs so there was incense
and incense boats in the house available so i got some incense and i sat myself you know with a rec
spine on the wall and i got my little
which I didn't even know at that time, but something just was like, this is the right way. I'm going
to hold my hands like this and I'm going to sit down and I'm going to just sit here and let my mind
be still basically. And what occurred as I went to sit was my mom started strolling because I'm in the
crib, you know. So she's strolling by me sitting on
And she's like, you're seven and she's like, what? And I'm seven, bro. And she's black. Like, you know
what I'm saying? She's a black woman. And she's like, what you doing? I'm pretty much verbatim. What
you doing? And I said to her and my little kid, I'm meditating. And she was like, no, you're not.
Because she was very staunchly at that time, especially atheists and whatnot. She was all in the civil
rights movement, and she got into the whole Marxist vibe. So she was pretty atheist at that particular
time in life, especially. And I said to her, I'm meditating. She said, no, you're not. And I was like,
yes, I am. Watch. Watch.
And I shut my mind down. I remember as a little, as a child, just, you know, still in my mind. You feel
me till it was just quiet, utterly. And when you do that, a person can feel that. You did, it's a palpable
feeling, even if they ain't real
Because everybody's really spiritual, because how they pushing air, how they breathing air, and they
heartbeat, and they spiritual. But of course. They connected in that essential way that all beings and
all creation is part of consciousness that's from the source. Hey, you know. So she thought that. She
looked at me, bro, and she was kind of freaked. But she went away. She was like, you're crazy. And she
walked away.
You crazy, get out of here. All right. Say, boy, you crazy, get out of here. With a shell, baby.
You feel me? I could have crushed some kids, some young spiritual aspirant. You know, I had a similar
experience. I don't know, I may have been eight years old. And my uncle, my uncle was always into meditation
and human, you know,
capabilities and spirit and things of that nature. And so we used to spend the weekend over his house,
you know, my cousin Theo and Emmanuel and Jean, Tina, all of us, we spent the night over my uncle's
house. And so, you know, he, he devised things for us to do. So one night he had us meditating, right?
He had his speaker, he had his microphone. He'd taken us through a guided meditation, basically, right?
You know what I'm saying? I'm like seven or eight.
Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I'm like seven or eight. So I'm like, you know what I'm saying? So I, you know,
I'm one of the men in my life who molded me. So it's like looking at him, you know, he's like a strong
dude, you know, all the, all the men in my store kind of kind of stocky built dudes. So I'm thinking
like, Hey, if this is what he do, you know, I'm trying to be like him. So I'm into everything he's saying.
I'm following, I'm following, I'm following, you know,
As an adult, now I'm an adult, I understand he was really just getting us to go to sleep. He didn't
go to sleep. Everybody else went to sleep. I didn't go to sleep. He was shocked. He was on the mic saying
his thing. He was like, Flint. And then he called me again and I turned to him and he was like, what?
Like, you woke? Like, yo, you really, like, you really doing that?
Yeah, I remember that because you mentioned you was like seven or eight years old. Yeah, I was I was
I was eight years old. I think when I was at Unk House when I actually probably had my first real meditative
experience and I totally forgot about it until you mentioned it. See and then this is some of the experience
that I've noticed too is I'll mention certain things because certain stuff we keep real buried in a
way memories because
in the world, if we were to express that openly, often we would be taught mad. Not that I care,
mind you, at this point. Mugs think what they want to think, whatever. Good luck with that. That's they
car, Mike. I love the world, but every person who I interview has that recognition that the world says, oh,
You know, they might call me crazy. They might say, you know what I mean? Every one of us, bro. You
have to realize it. That's part of being able to be in any degree of enlightened and still be in the
world and functioning as we're supposed to function as lights and beacons and guides and word speakers
and true speakers and so forth and whatever, you know, because we all got, you know how they say,
There's different dispensations of faith because there's myriad different callings that the source has
for all the ones in one. You know what I mean? And so there's the nature of our being, but a lot of
we, I know this is called pretty young, you know, and the nature of it is, it's like what the scriptures
say, man. The scripture says, I knew you before you were clothed in flesh in your mother's womb. You
were called and foreordained. So a lot of these things even down to you,
Like you attracted the uncle that would do a guided meditation with you. You feel me? That was part
of the track. That wasn't, he was, yeah, he was, in a way he was like us, but then, you know what I'm
saying? And he had a moment with some shorty and he was like, aw, I'm gonna do my best to put some of
this on him. As this thing go put some fat on their head. You know how old heads say that.
Put the bat on his head. And then he cited, you know, one actually had, you know, some aptitude, the
ability to stay awake because it takes a certain amount of like power. That's not, you know, the same
kind of power that the world thinks of as power, force. It takes a certain amount of inner power.
You relax, you know what I'm saying? And your nature is when most people get very, very, very relaxed,
they go to sleep.
So it takes a certain inner strength to like, no, I'm going to maintain being aware while I'm very,
very super relaxed and calm in this state of being. So it takes a certain inner power, you know what
I mean? And that's some of what you can see, how you can see, I and I cite different degrees of maturity
and development from individual to individual, you know, because I met one cat, good example.
of not meditation. He's like, yeah, I like to meditate, you know. I get in the tub and I light my candles.
And then next thing you know, I'm asleep. I was like, nah, bruh. And I was eager, bruh. I felt a little
way, but that's some of what it is, though, is to be the truth. We're like, nah, bruh.
You started off pretty good, but when you went to sleep, that's where you stopped meditating. You didn't
went into sleepitation there. That's not, you got to be awake to be actually meditating. My brother's
saying, man, I get that too. I get me some kind of what? They say you don't have it. And I was feeling
them, bro, because I like to come into my spot to meditate. My God, yeah. You know, man, I was feeling
about this boy when he went to sleep.
Yeah, I agree. I agree, bro. So it was like, oh, we're out of here. I was hyped with them, right? Right.
That's not the goal, bro. No, that's not the goal. Like, I'm out of here. Like, okay. I point this out
because I think, in fact, I feel to know that at a very young age,
to some degree, at least. I was still a child, so I still went through the stages of being a child and
everything. Of course. But I was aware of... More. More, yes, and a certain genus equae, as the French
would say, a certain essential quality that is just, I'm different. Like Kendrick Lamar said,
They not like us. And I knew I was a part of some us. I hadn't found that us yet. You did. But I knew
I was a part of some us, something already that's bigger than me. So after seven and that experience
with your mom and you recognizing that you could sink out of this world into self,
how did that, what did that do for you? What did it, did it transform you to, to move differently, to
think differently, to see differently, or was there just regular life and then another experience happened
or? I think I just did, you know, a bit, the nature of it is ones and ones like we, as Rasta and I say,
it's an inborn inception, inception. We're called and so some is there's a certain knowingness, I would
call it. That's just,
kind of part of you, part I, you know what I'm saying, where later on you figure out other people are
different because first you think everybody, at least that's what I thought, everybody's like me, you
know what I'm saying, everybody's, you know, got some, you know, like I heard your one brother and he
was saying everybody might have some, you know, inner dialogue at times anyway. Whereas, you know, most
people I came to realize over, you know,
time and lots of conversation. This is like, well, it's like maybe grammar school, high school really
that most people are not aware of what they think. You feel me? Whereas I'm like, that shit is like,
it's like the video screen almost in a way. Like I'm very aware. Okay. I'm having this particular thought
right now. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes I have a conversation.
with, you know, because sometimes that thought's coming from a higher space of I, and I'm aware of that,
and it's a conversation between I and my higher self, or God, as some would call it, because God don't
sound different inside you most of the time. It's gonna speak with your voice, cause you're most familiar
with that. Or somebody else's voice that you become spiritually close with. It may speak the spirit.
It may speak inside someone's head. I've had that experience.
Um expressed to me from other ones at once and they'd be like dude I heard you you said such and such
and such and I was like Word that sounds like I and I was like, that's the father, you know Because
the father will utilize whatever path of least resistance To get the soul of message if that happens
to be a relationship that that person has with this or this or that one
then so be it, they'll use that particular relationship in the sense of that person's voice, or that
person might even appear, or you might be in a spiritual experience with that particular individual,
so that we get more and more this, there's a big black cat that just walked up, straight up.
That's what's up. Say you vibin'. Say you vibin'. Yeah, you feel it, you just walked up,
that energy in the atmosphere. You feel it. But check me out. You got to give us, you got to give us
a timeline of your spiritual development and growth. That's the idea. So we started early at seven and
I was like deep into martial arts and this kind of thing. And I was specifically really into the energy
aspects of martial arts. You know what I'm saying? The Qigong stuff.
where you see some, you know, old Chinese master like push like 10 dudes freaking a yard away. You know
what I mean? Like with some energy. I'm like, wait a minute that something in me was like, that is real.
Yeah. Whereas somebody else might've been like, Oh, that's some scam, you know, vibe like that.
And so I, you know, kept pursuing martial arts started with
Taekwondo at first for like a couple of years, then got out of that and then was basically a B-boy.
And that was my, you know, hardcore self-discipline was being a B-boy. Cause I would come home after
soccer practice. That was two hours. So I would be a little tired and then come home and rep two, three
hours till moms come home.
drive my downstairs neighbor crazy, doing windmills and shit. Until I got it perfected, you feel like
that. Yeah, you know, you know, I know about them days. Yeah, that was, that was our era. That's not
like, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. But that mastery process, so that was my, really my first deep dive
into self-discipline. As an individual, I was already
That's curious because, you know, I was also a B-boy or whatever, but I never really can, I never considered
a discipline. You know what I mean? It was, it was just the natural flow of energy. You know what I'm
saying? And the times we was in for me, I never really considered a discipline. And I guess it had to
be, it had to be, because ultimately, like I said, I was the, I was the cat in the neighborhood who
did the windmill and the back speed. You know what I'm saying?
And so I have my pop lock in here. I have my pop lock in here. So yeah, it took some definite discipline
to be better than the other cats at what you're doing. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Rep,
rep, rep, rep. So you get that issue. I got to think about it. I'm going to just crush them up. Yeah,
you used it 100%, bro. So yeah, it was definitely a discipline. But it's curious that I never
even considered, you know, I never even looked at it.
That's a training you always saying that like it's a whole bunch of things on the loader and I side
up that Babylon trained us to think of certain Iseps in a certain way one Because they will be empowering
especially to people of color black black folks of African descent. It would be empowering to know that
discipline
can act self-discipline can actually be something you enjoy. Oh yeah. We got fed the concept
of self-discipline being something heavy and arduous and laborous and unpleasant. Most of us in the
world, when you look out the world, even the word responsibility is, you know, I look at it as the ability
to respond, which is something I like to have all the while. You feel me?
But the way that the world colors it is something to be shunned. You ain't gotta tell me. Accountability
as well, right? It's in the same boat. You don't understand. Shunned or run from. You see? And these
are the things that's going on in reality. Empower the human being. Empower the spiritual being to be
their full authentic spiritual self. While on earth, skip waiting to die. Go to heaven. Be on heaven or earth.
That's what, you know, I figured that out. You know, I, I feel early in it cause I, and I partially
because my mom was an atheist. Right. I didn't have a particular spiritual or religious doctrine or
I had, you know, I had a Christian family. They're black. They were definitely back there and they wouldn't,
but they were definitely also spiritually minding actually lived it.
You know, so I came up with that kind of experience rather than, oh yeah, he say he Christian, but he
out there doing all kinds of dirt. No, I had, I had actually Christian people and they were spiritual.
I used to see my grandmother go out, feed people out her back, out her back door. You did take him,
don't take a plate out there. Kristen, don't take a plate out there to some of us always out there waiting
for you to take a plate. You know, enough times. So she wouldn't, she did them works.
And she sent people, you know what I'm saying? She helped people when she could. She didn't just say,
I'm a Christian. I'm good. Me, I'm saved. You know what I'm saying? She did the actual thing of being
Christly. You know, not to say she was perfect, but you know what I mean? Overall, she was like a grandma's
grandma, too. Like, she did all the things, bro. Sew, cook, make clothes, everything. She was old school
like that. And then my grandfather was a deacon.
And he was like, I think he was the strong, silent type of cat. So I think I got a lot from him because
he appeared in Lou mostly because he was tired. Because like a lot of us, we work two jobs.
We come home, go to sleep, wake up, go to the next job, filming. So that was like one of my molding
experiences in the sense of like, I found out like as a 30 year old something person,
Not 20 20 No younger 17 we were staying with him me and my mom and my sister stand with my grandparents
for a time and One night he was uncharacteristically energetic And he did a pratfall in front of us
What's that rough? You know, it's like, you know how the comedians they'll fall without hurting themselves
Okay, right, right, right. A comic fall, crap fall. Right, right. He's like, yeah, he just pulled his
chair off from under himself. He's like, you know, I'm young and he's my age now. You know what I'm
saying? I'm like, whoa. My granddad just did that in front of me. He's like, yeah, I used to
be in Vaudeville. I was like, whoa, where is all this coming from? You know what I'm saying? So I realized
there's just facets of him that
us grandkids never knew because he was in the slave all the time. You see, so it basically kind of stole
us knowing him as a person, as a soul, as an actual person. You know what I mean? Because he was always
at work. Came home, go to sleep, wake up, eat, go to work. Yeah, I know those. I remember that. So I
saw that and I was like, it's got to be, you know, and then I saw him retire.
And then three or four years later, he was, he passed. He's transitioned. This is the story. And this
story is like, man, Hollywood ain't going to make that movie because it's been seen too many times.
You feel me? Bug retired. It's the American dream. He retired and he took three or four years later
dead or something. Yeah. You gave your life to the system. That's what they do, man. Most of the years,
you know what I'm saying?
And then they don't, you know, know how to take care of, they've been eating the food, soul food, so-called
soul food, killing us, all their lives. So by that time, most of us, you know, body been deteriorated
and they don't know how to build it back up. So I saw all that, that was formative for me to look at.
I'm like, man, I want to be, I want to work for God. One, cause most people,
you know, they have varying degrees of trustworthiness, just straight up from, you know, the soul's
perspective, not like my ego's perspective or my spiritual being's perspective. Yeah, that person,
I can, you know, each person, you know, you talk to a person and you can see they being as real as they
can be. You know what I mean? If they knew how to
express their fullness of themselves without, you know, quote unquote filter, they would, but it's been
ingrained on them so hard it take, you know, some serious like we gonna have to go up in the mountains
somewhere in the cave, bro. You know what I'm saying? Extreme away from the world to shake unlearn and
learn relearn they who they are actually are. You know what I'm saying? And be that being. Yeah, that's
that came up in the interview today, actually.
I interviewed a young lady who went to Bali and she had plenty of major spiritual experiences and saw
Jesus and saw Buddha. You should check the video, it's pretty good. But what we were talking about was
people, you know, life itself is that people aren't expressing themselves to the fullness of who they
are. And generally speaking, they don't do it because of fear.
right? What your mama gonna say, what your girlfriend gonna say, what your brother gonna say, what people
gonna say, the church gonna say, school gonna say, you know what I'm saying? What all of these outside
perspectives are doing to mold your internal self. And so you, you never get to your Jordan
level achievements. You never reach your Elon Musk level achievements because you're not willing to
express yourself to your fullness. And I think to express yourself to your fullness is a necessity in
reaching your full potential.
I think they go hand in hand. I don't think you can do one without the other. It's nearly impossible.
I mean, the whole process, if you want to call it a process or the journey, is, you know how they talk
about in the eyeball, they talk about the garden of Eden and so forth. And I cite that it's really talking
about a natural process of spirituality,
movement from and then to spirituality in order the movement from in order to know oh that was spirit
you know i'm saying you have to have you have to know wet to know what dry is of course you understand
so that contrast of when we proverbially leave the garden of eden and then we wake up to the reality
of hey i was in the garden of eden i'm trying to get back
Right. And then the process of getting forward in oneself to where once in that Edenic state of consciousness
again, which is actually, you know, a reality of possibility that isn't taught to us in any type of,
um, formal education or even I would say religious education really outside of, you know, certain spiritual circles.
And that's why this show exists, because the whole idea is to bring spirituality out of the closet and
make it plain in everyday conversation where it's not some big mystery, some big, you know what I mean,
some big secret in the closet, some, oh, only you gotta know some special dude to understand your spirit.
No, bro, you are the spirit. You wake up every day. Like you said, there is nothing that is foreign to you
that needs to be taught to you about your spirit, bro. You know what I'm saying? And so for me,
it's sad. To me, it's sad, bro, because when you look at the overarching social situation, you understand
that majority of people will probably never be able to express themselves to the fullness of themselves
because they have this social concept that I ain't shit. I'm a born sinner.
and I got to get right to get right. You know what I mean? You never sat with me. Oh, of course not
me and you, not many of us, but I'm saying the majority of the Western mindset is still under that.
Oh, I'm fairly all right. It's kind of sad. It's the nature of not thinking in the world that's prevalent.
See, that hits you perfectly, I can tell.
because yeah. And it feels better than being sad about it. Because if a person really sat and went,
okay, newborn is a sinner. Come on. That mug is glowing. God literally to anybody but a freaking spiritual
blind man. Mind you, and there are a lot of spiritual blind people in the world. So
compassion to those ones because they haven't grown to this height as of yet. But the reality of most
people when they see a newborn, even though that mug is cone-headed and funny-looking, everybody go,
oh, we told you. Because they feel in the light of the most hot. Yeah. Unfiltered and unblocked. Yes,
sir. Yes, sir. You know what I'm saying? And I'd be like, word, I get it. You know what I'm saying?
That shit is a result. Okay, it's not thinking. It's got some, you know, original sin. I mean, and I
can only understand it only from this metaphysical point, like digging. Because I, you know, I went
in on the process, initially, just on the spiritual gut love, which is that concept. I have to call
it that, a concept, because it's a con.
make people you know feel guilty about basically themself it's a setup to be guilty like almost ever
ever you know it's a mind trap that has done so much damage to this world bro the mind f is what it
is bro yeah it's terrible what it really is because because we were talking about the other day like because
Like, of course, like when I talk about NBL, we talk about giving it to the kids because they ain't
got all of this chaos to remove from their minds. They can get it easy and beautifully. But when you
talk about giving it to an adult, you gotta deal with their traumas, their programming, their culture,
all of these things that they have to fight through to get to who they are as the soul level. And then
they can be able to, you know, consciously move and express correctly versus, you know what I mean?
And so mind you, that's the journey too. You know, something that's I, and I feel as, as black folks
though, we had, we had what I would call at least an inordinate amount of freaking, uh, drama, trauma
and shit. Yes. Just, I don't care what nobody say because like, but we didn't migrate here. Hey bro.
Hey! I got snatched up. I was killing somewhere as a high priest. My family was high priests. And I
got snatched the fuck over here. They taught me some English bastard ass language. Took my language
and culture and my awareness of I'm God for a little bit away. Yeah. Yeah. So for a minute, I think
a lot of us talking about the spiritual journey.
I was pissed. Yes. Yes. Hey, you know, the young man who you lied to me so hard. The young man that
you mentioned that you said you and you was digging his interview, Kahari, he's at that stage now.
I get it. Yes, it's right. It's righteous indignation. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
Yes. But it's funny. It ain't funny. It's just, you know, we've been through these stages. So when you
see it process it through somebody else, you'd be like, oh, without going through that, you know what?
You can't get to love. Yeah. Because like on low key, a lot of business, man, a lot of this is not full
on like clinically depressed per se, but a lot of ones I started depressed slash anxious or and or both.
Hey bro, I talked about that. Can we talk about what's causing it? It's called cognitive dissonance.
It's because you're trying to fit into a culture that you're not really, yeah, you're not really ever
going to be accepted in. And so by doing all that you can to bend your nature, your mind, your concepts,
your culture, your structure, your
everything to fit and to achieve and then you get there and you realize that you're still not where
you thought you'd be and you've done all of these amalgamating of your nature to be there and it becomes
an angry thing and then like i said so many angles that we've been touched bro i mean we got cats who
who don't think they black no more you know i'm saying who cats who who that ain't even a part of my
culture i don't know that's you guys i don't have
when I told them they were African. Hey, bro, you are here. Yeah, I wouldn't doubt it. Or indigenous
even. Yeah. Well, hold on. Let me let me. So so okay, if you're not African, if you're not indigenous,
let me tell you, let me ask you what you think you are. Right. What do you what do you think you you
are, buddy?
You give me an assessment of what you are. I need to know what you think you are. Where did you come
from? Yeah. I know. But what do you think? Yeah. Your assessment of what all this is. My sight, man,
when I was like, I got to go back to the youth again. We progressed in a long time, I know. Because
when I was young. This is nowhere near like any interview I've ever done. So it's fine. We'll get through it.
I remember like both my parents were activists, right? My dad was a member of WSO, which was like the
Black Panther chapter in Chicago. And my mom was like part of the civil rights movement from like 16
forward. She graduated from high school early. So I grew up with that as a backdrop. But then I had
this friend when I was young.
And his name was David, of all things. Best friend. And he just happened to be a pink cat. Right, right.
Palm color. Yeah, you did. And I overheard you did. My mom and dad, like, I don't get it. His best friend
is white. Because they're both, like, blackity, black, black activists.
You don't say it black pick in the hair hole now. All right. All right. That's my parents. Talk about
Hibari gani every quiet cause it was not expected responses. So you there was that freaked them out.
But to to I me and my friend David, we talked about this. I remember this like vividly up to now you
dig as an adult where
He looked at each other physically. He was like, you're not really black. You're really kind of brown.
And I was like, you're not really white. You're actually more pink. I love youth. You know what I'm
saying? You're not black.
And you ain't white. You know what I'm saying? Those are crayons. Crayons, bro. Exactly. Those are crayons.
We're not that. This is who I am. I'm this being. And you're that being in that, you know, flesh loop,
basically. You know what I'm saying? And so, you know, early on, that idea of one love, as far as on
that so-called racial or cultural tip, was, you know, something
known to you know it was already something I was practicing that I didn't care about so much just how
this person appear one because I grew up again with activists my mom made sure I heard the Martin Luther
King speech and that that resonated with me wasn't just the thing oh he's famous and he's this guy no
that personally resonated in my own spirit like yeah that's the vision that's the way the world should be
You know, so it wasn't philosophical. You feel me? It was visceral how they say visceral by even as
a young person. And I remember growing up and that was pretty much why I was different all the way,
man. My whole like school career, I guess you would call it, you know what I'm saying? All the way to
grammar school and whatnot. I pretty much was that kid that
stayed like the grain of wood in the floor. You feel me? I didn't want to be noticed too much because
I knew how people were. That was, you know, my overstanding even at that time. I played and played ball
and that kind of thing. But other than that and certain types of interaction, I know even at that age,
mugs ain't ready for what's in here because I was already at nine and 10 talking about y'all pieces the way
to my neighborhood friends and in the hood in the west side of Chicago, son, you know. I already know.
That's exactly what I'm saying. Wild people are not themselves because of all of the cultural pressures
that they have and they can't really express their natural nature. But I felt this even to now, really.
It's like, I think I even told you this, that third point as a youth, I kind of like, I figured my cave
is my head. I'm gonna go inside this cave, and when I'm, you know, groaning up some loves and not telling
me what the freak to do, then I'm gonna free up, which is pretty much, that's when I grew my locks,
I grew, you know, I grew my 18, went in the military, and one night I grew my first set of locks in there.
which was an experience in itself too. Because a lot of it was I connected with people in D.C. would
rock the people. So you went in the military. What prompted that and which branch of the military did
you go in? You know, I did the school thing. I was on a full academic scholarship for electrical engineering
at Alcorn State.
And it just really wasn't for I. And I feel and know that in this time I was, you know, intellectually
apt enough to take care of as far as the, you know, school work. It just, it didn't jive with I. It
didn't vibe and resonate with my person in a way. So I came back to, you know, back to Chicago and then
my mom was basically like, you ain't laying up here. You know how moms can be, cause she's black like that.
She was like, when you go to Air Force, that was her suggestion. I was like, cause I didn't want to
necessarily lay up under her either. Cause she was going to be telling me what, what all the time. So,
you know, young person I'm like, yeah, let me up. I'll go in, I'll go in the Air Force. So I went in
the Air Force and worked in the Air Force as the mental health unit specialist, which was crucial training.
And I feel just as far as
on a spiritual level and basic counseling skills, compassion, understanding, listening, skills that
I and I feel that are crucial to those that are called to the path and are in essence priests and ministers
and flames of the creator walking about. So we need all those things.
because at some point somebody that we know is close to us might have somebody pass forward and we might
give them some compassion and succor and understanding rather than be an asshole, because there are
some out here, trust me. You would be surprised the world, woo, I know what y'all mean when you say
there's some hard-hearted people out here, you know? Yeah, of course. To I, that's like,
56 year old person in chronologically in this body. I feel like How do you let they buy they they know?
because I've had great Treatment from you fellow human beings. I've had horrendous treatment from fellow
human beings My my vibe is always like I'm not gonna let nobody bring me to a place where I come out
of myself, which is love right
you know, because in a way that person helped me see, okay, are you really this? You know what I'm saying?
It's a check, like, are you really love, are you really God? You know, that's been a theme in my, probably
the last week at least, maybe eight to 10 days, it's been a theme that's been like recurring in cycles,
like saying, don't get,
tired of doing good. Don't get weary of doing good. Don't allow yourself to, you know what I mean? Yeah.
There are moments. I think there's even moments with that where I know, you know what I'm saying?
Cause I, and I cite that when you look at Yeshua himself, where he got the whole crucified vibe,
he was like, man, John, if, if I can not drink this cup,
Word can be cool, but if it's your will, then so be it. Y'all know that script. So it shows that even,
you know, this high avataric manifestation of the most high itself even had this moment where it was
like, just human in that sense of things, just kind of like, man, this is bull.
Yes. Yes, sir. That's what he said. He said it in a pretty safe way. But that's what he said. In essence,
this is important. If I don't have to do this, God, man. If it's necessary and I'm here to save the
planet, all right, then I'm here to save the planet. Right. It's your will. You know what I'm saying?
And so the rest of it unfolds.
So it looks like we're having a more of a, just a, this is what I call a kick it session, a build session,
a reasoning session, more so than an interview. And that's fine. But I still want to get a straightforward,
direct interview. It's organic. Yeah, it's very organic.
And that's fine. For me, you know, for I was the journey. Like I said, I was, you know, went through
the whole childhood thing. And I really feel like when I was a child, I was a child. Yeah, I was spiritual,
but I didn't even think of it as being spiritual. I was just, this is how I am. Right. You understand?
And then later on, as I grew into adulthood and I saw other people around me, they were like,
Dude, you're very spiritual, you're very rich. And I'll be like, in comparison to what? That's what
they were doing. Very true. Like, what are you comparing this to? Right. Yeah. A one who lives that
way doesn't have a comparison. It's just how I live. So exactly, I understand fully what you're saying
there. I mean, because in my side, I'm like, I'm a biped, you know.
i'm in this biped structure you feel me in this homosexual body you're the homo what this is you know
everything is everything that person you know they you know connected to something you know higher than
that was an assumption on my part they caused me some you know hard knock lessons later and some some
you know to gain you know wisdom and more discernment and understanding that it is the thing where
The creator gives certain ones, the open ones through the experience and through even just birth to
have the eyes and the eyes to see and the ears to hear that which your common person ain't even looking
to hear or see, much less hearing or seeing. Yeah, that conversation came up as well earlier in an interview
I had with a young lady
today. And it was about, like, you know, you know, God has people here in many capacities to work for
him, right. And so one of the things that I was saying is that I've never, what I was telling the young
man, I was like, I was telling this, I've been saying this probably last three days, because I,
you know, this is
This is how we talk. It ain't like I'm just doing this interview and I'm talking about spiritual stuff
today because this is what I do. No, this is who I am. And so these are the conversations that I have
with everybody that I talk to. Right. So yeah. So so I'm having this conversation a couple of days ago
and I'm talking about the idea that I don't feel like
part, you know, like, like, okay, and then, like I said, this might sound arrogant, but to you, I'm
sure it doesn't, but because you know what I'm talking about, but to the average person, it may sound
straight as holish, but I don't, I don't concern myself with getting to heaven. I don't think that's
my concern. I don't think that they come beyond that part, right? I think my job is affecting things
on this earth and to attempt to bring heaven to this earth by allowing people to understand that the
fullness of your capacity
is the best that you can ever get out of this earth. And the best that you can ever get out of this
earth is to bring out the life that God put into you, which is love, right? And express it in its greatest
way. Yeah. I feel like that's why I'm here. I don't feel like I'm here to be like, oh, you got to not
go to hell. You got to go to heaven. I ain't there, man. That ain't, that's bullshit. Somebody here
for that. Somebody here for that. There are people here for that.
my thing it's never even as a kid it wasn't the thing for me so i don't never feel like it was a thing
like oh i gotta worry about getting to heaven i gotta worry about getting to heaven that ain't never
felt like my shit because i've always been in alignment with what's right that's all you know it ain't
you know what i'm saying so you know i'm a human so you have your flaws and your imperfections you know
what i'm saying but i'm saying for the majority of my life i've been since i was 17 i've been seeking
shit deep you know what i'm saying so
Ain't too much that I'm worried about, like, oh, I might get to go to hell. No, bro,
I don't even, ultimately, this even comes up, right? Because Tina, my sister, you know, anyway, she
talking about something or something or another. And I'm like, well, Tina, ultimately, when you,
you know, it's a matter of perspective, because there is no, you know, there is no power in the universe
that is actually opposing God, right? There is no,
Actually, when you talk about this devil in the sense that people talk about the devil okay there is
the idea of yin and yang there is light and dark there is male and female, so the opposing force to
good is an existing thing, but it is not an equal complex way of power as God.
Okay, the opposing force you may feel is a motivating force for you to be enlivened towards your spiritual
heights. You see what I'm saying? So it ain't all about, yeah, it ain't all about, oh, it's an evil
force. It's just something opposing that makes you motivate and spirit up. You know what I mean? This
is how you know it's one heart, one mind. Because I was talking about reasoning with this, on this exact
thing, actually, with I-N-I Empress, I-Y Shirley, about how
people miss overspend even the concept of yin and yang, dark and light, receptive and creative principles.
People, especially on the level of gender. These principles are really simply, as I stated, receptivity
and creativity. Those are the basic principles
of energies that the creator energy breaks down into that's how all his life is getting young energy
mugs in order to like exist we have to exchange and do yin and yang things pretty much all day you eat
food you receive it you know i'm saying that's and you have to actively bring it to your mouth that's
a yang thing but then you're breathing yeah
So it's going back and forth, this interchange, yin and yang, breathing, all of this. That is the most,
you know, that's the most significant aspect of your life. You can, you don't, they don't consider you
alive to the baby, give a birth to breathe. And they say you ain't, you're dead when you lose the last
breath. So the breathing is the yin and the yang all day of your total existence. So it's this thing
specific that I speak of, that the yin tends to, cause it's dark, like the earth is dark. All right.
and the yang energy is quote unquote light. Now what happens is the dark gets mostly because of Eurocentric
ideas, ionized light. It gets demonized as negative, evil, et cetera, but it's simply a receptor. It's
that side of God. You understand? And then the active side or creative aspect of God is that light or
movement, energy.
You know what I'm saying? The act of creative force without which this, you know, the earth would just
be a rock without the sun shining on it. Yeah. Without, like I said, bro, it's the, it, you gotta have
it. And it has to put forth our, then it gives us fruit. You know what I'm saying? Vegetables, fruit,
all the other things that come for, even those that, you know, doing the carnivore thing or omnivore
thing, all the animals that they eat eat vegetables.
you did. So it still is secondhand sun energy all the while. So all of us is thriving through this yin
and yang receptive and active interchange all through our life. That's masculine and quote unquote masculine
or feminine energies in reality from the creative source. But it gets demonized on one side or the other
instead of it being looked at as
One whole part one thing in the creator because this shin or spirit that makes that ginyang ball move
Yeah, yeah without the shin actually moving the consciousness then it don't there's no evolution and
progression Exactly, and that's what i'm saying. They're inspirations for one another and I think I
got that as a young person, you know i'm saying Just because I would say, you know, I started smoking
herb I was about 15
I think I was about 15, 15 or so. Nah, I had contact heights, because like I said, my parents both smoked,
so I remember a couple times being contact high actually, and saying some crazy wild stuff in the back
of the car, and my mom looking at me like, what did you just say? Like one time I cussed. And I wasn't
that kid that like cussed in front of parents. You did. And I just said something like, some crazy cuss
word. And I was like, even my own self was like,
Did I just say that? Because you know, it be loose when you iry. But that was the first time I think
I consciously remember being iry. But then later on, like as I said, I was 15 or so, I had my own room
and thing, and I had a little balcony. And there was like no grass outside, but there was just one tree.
So I would go out there and I'd blow one. And I just said, look at the tree, God.
for like 20 minutes, 45 minutes sometimes, you know, whatever, however amount of time, you know what
I'm saying? And then I would get up, go back in. That was, you know, my first experiences, that and
with my other homie, Polo was his nickname. We would smoke herb between the elevator cars on the L train,
on some like thrill seeking type dish.
They didn't bother us in between the cars like that. They can smell it but they can't find you that
easy. They couldn't smell it because we're in a moving car. We're outside. Okay, okay. It's between
the cars. You're actually outside in a little bit of vibe and you're like burning. Right. We go back
in cab with Luis before we go to the club and things.
But then other than that, I would just smoke, but with I and myself, you feel me? It wasn't a thing
where I was like, a lot of people my age, when they was burning herbs, there was, you know, going to
a party and things. I did that little of that too, of course. But a lot of the time when I smoked the
herb, it was, you know, I'd cuff a little bit of herb for my mom's ashtray. So let me ask you this,
when about the, uh,
about to try it out when you took the backpack and you left the city and you went on your walk with
God. Because that's a faith walk when you leave and that's all you got, right? I know the story, but
the people don't know the story. So I was getting there. So I went through the military vibe. I got
out of the military. And at that point, I grew up in the second set of rocks. And I met my elder.
J.C. Stokes. Why you why you say your second set of locks? What happened with the first set? Well, the
first set I had at a certain point, I had three months to get out of the military and I had a black
NCOIC that's noncommissioned officer in charge of the particular module. He was in charge of both the
hospital units on that floor. So he was the boss for the two head bosses. He pulled me in his office.
Cause I had locks in a fade and I had been working rocking it for like, at that point, a year, almost
in the military over in the military yet. And it was not allowed, but nobody said anything to me.
And I was, you know, now I look at it as the thing of the spirit was on me in such a way that.
I was just did it. He did without, wasn't no fear of it. You know what I'm saying? That dude, you know,
that's that initial just spark as it worked. And then they, he pulled me in his office. He was like,
he basically told me if I didn't get that out of my hair, he was gonna make it quote unquote hard for
me. Getting out of the military, you know, I only had a little time left. Basically he was gonna make
it hell. So I remember going back to my barrack and like,
painstakingly picked, like, because it had locked, you know what I'm saying? So I had to pick all that
out, so to speak, and I just, I didn't cut it. I just packed it all down with some Murrays and did my
next three months or whatever and got out. Went into a job interview, still had a fade, got the job,
went in the first day with my locks.
beer is starting to grow in and all that vibe. I didn't last too long at that job. They didn't even
have the balls to fire me in person. They sent me a courier. I called off sick Monday and sent a courier.
Come to my door, clean dog, I'm like, what? You're basically opening up and you're fired. What? I called
my elder and I'm like, dude.
And my elder was like, he was like, it was raining at the time and my elder was like, when you got the
letter, did the sun come out? And I was like, yeah, word.
Like immediately, like, cause we had that depth where he didn't have to go in on explaining the meaning
of that shit. Like, did the sun come out? Yeah. Dig it. Word. I was pieced with the whole thing. It
was a nice gig. 19,000, you know, entry level working as a psychiatric case manager and, you know, West
side VA hospital, blah, blah, blah. Company car, dah, dah, dah, dah.
all that. But, you know, at the time, like I said, I was rooting up. And so I was getting deeper in
the spiritual, spirituality I linked up with, you know, my elder. And then also I ran into like the
first day I rooted up, actually ran to my one good brethren, now named Om Mura. And he was like, yo,
they got these classes at this
helpful story called the tango on the south side on Egyptian, committing spirituality. I was like, where?
Oh, that's what he said to me first. He was like, you know, you growing antennas into the universe,
into the cosmos. I was like, yeah. Even though I had never intellectually, you know, been told that
by anybody, I just was like, yeah.
that just made sense. You feel me? When he said it, I was like, yeah, of course. Why would I be doing
this otherwise? You know what I'm saying? It was kind of the other thought inherently in my brain at
that moment. Now I think about it. But so then I wound up going to, as Sarah said, taking their courses
on meditation one and meditation two and African cosmology one and two
astrology and so forth Mahabodh astrology and I was like worried so I was eating all that up and then
as we were sitting in there a little longer. How old are you? I was in my 20 I would say 23, 24. Okay.
And most of us that were in there a bunch of artists and such poets and whatnot you feel me and so we
were already pretty receptive beings
feel creative, connected in that sense. And like, we started going to the meditation class and we were
getting mounted by ancestors in like the first week or two of the class. People were speaking, you know,
ancestors were speaking through them. So Mugs was convinced within the first week. You know what I'm
saying? It's just what was happening, bro.
Yeah, I'm just saying you're pretty convinced when you're getting mounted by the ancestors.
You know what? That shit just happened. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and there's any, you know, I've been
personally, it's always, it's always been about vibes. You know what I mean? Later on, I always stood
that to be spiritual. You know what I mean? But when I was youth and really now I still be like,
you know, I caught a vibe and that is such and such. You feel me? Yeah.
I mean, I caught a spiritual free, like it real technical, I caught a spiritual frequency of communication
and I moved on that communication. Right, right. You know what I mean? But it always be like words,
like people think, you know what I'm saying? Just be like, like I was feeling the way about my youth,
Isaiah who passed some time ago. And so I went and took a walk, you know, I was feeling sad and shit.
And I got a vibe.
Walk this way. And so I walked that way and turn the corner, turn the corner, stop, look down. And I
looked down and then on the concrete, somebody had scribed into the concrete, hi dad. I was just peace,
bro, immediately. Like I know what, you know, something blew up.
I think I even posted up on the Facebook stuff where it was like, do you think that your son, I'm like,
no, that's silly. But I do realize that my son was aware enough to guide me to a space where he would
give me a, where he could give me a message. And he would know that I would know what that was because
I could feel energy. I could feel vibes. I mean, beyond what I read on a piece of concrete, I felt the
vibration.
of my son guided me to the spot one. You don't have to explain this to me or anybody watching this,
man. That was some of them we do, though. That's the thing. You know, they don't. So I do explain it
to them, you know, some of the ones that don't don't get it, you know, because they want to know what
you mean about because sometimes you say that and it's be like, you might as well be speaking, you know,
Japanese, the name Japanese.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I guess I can be kind of jaded. That's part of what I'm here for. You
know what I'm saying? I can be kind of jaded in assuming that people know the shit that we know, and
I can just assume that it's just common knowledge and then, yeah, you're probably right. You do have
to explain. That's a good vibe. No, I like that. You know what? That's a good vibe, because that's being
part of the solution. I would hope. No, when you film me.
some of the solution mugs be like focused on the problem to be in the world, all the world's problems.
Man's in humanity, man in all the different, you know, forms basically. Yes. You know, but it's our
focus on it that gives it energy. Yes, sir. So I try, you know, that's why, you know, we talk all the
time about, you know, keeping positive vision and positive focus and, you know, not being a proverbial
negative Nancy or Norman.
Yeah, I mean, like I say, I feel like like I just want to be like a bundle of oranges or a bundle of
lemons. When you walk by, you smell that wonderful fragrance and you get uplifted. That's all I want
to be. Yeah. Yeah. You ain't even got to know me. Just walk by. You feel better, brother. That's good.
I love you. It's a real thing. Yeah. Because I mean, me and my my my bro, I'm a emcee, homie.
We was kicking it thick before we was in the midst of doing the demo. So we was hanging real tight.
And we would walk by people. And this is one of them things, this might sound arrogant as heck, but
you get it. And we would walk by somebody and we would just kind of feel like, just silently just wish
them love and blessing.
And you can see, you know, a person just, they, they face might've been flat as you walk in, just as
you walk in by and then as you walk by that energy brush up and they just get a little grin. You know
what I'm saying? I have consciously and actively done that in the last week. I had a, uh, it's a real thing.
Yeah, I went to work and I spoke to somebody about a thing and they damn near ignored me. And I just
was like, okay, let me walk away. This is, this is not the right energy to be starting my day. Right.
So, so I go, I go talk to God, bro, as I'm walking, like, man, I don't know what that was about, bro.
But you know what I'm saying? Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. But I didn't even have to say nothing to the
person, bro. I'm talking about for the rest of the day, it was all love. I'm talking about, it was like, like,
Like, hey, I want to be a friend type energy. You know what I'm saying? Like, OK, this is very cool.
Like, yeah. Like, I didn't say shit to them. I went talk to God and left it alone. Like, dog,
this is crazy. I don't know what to do at all. You know what I'm saying? Shit turned around without
me saying shit, bro. Real thing, real talk, brethren. Like, this technique's even, like, after I went
into the military, see, I'm trying to keep a timeline for you.
After I did the military thing and then I did the case management thing. Then I was being a musician
and a poet. And vibing on all of that. Basically just kicking it with my elder and living. Going to
the whole Sarah Set thing.
got married, had my first youth and went to Jamaica and grow. I had this experience where we went to
me and her, why she was, you know, she was Caucasian woman. My first wife and she was a child. She from
Chicago. She was from Minnesota originally, but she was living in Chicago. That's where we met.
And so we went to Jamaica because my elder was like it's time for you to go to Jamaica and then that
is happened, you know, because I was like having no money at the time and my elder was like you going
to Jamaica in a couple months and then that is happened. This is like I think to one of the times when
I started being aware of other spiritual people.
too, because I would be feeling the way about something, such and such thing, had this thing on my head
or this is your problem. And I'd be like, I'm gonna go holla at JC. And I would just run into dude.
You feel me? Like I would turn the corner, he would be fucking there. I've had these experiences. I
got on a train one day and went out
go to this healing new agey place and came back from off the train and got off the train was on the
train at the door and the doors open and the other train on the other track the doors open at the same
time and there was JC standing there looking at me and he just looked at me and he was like and I was like okay
That could not be no kind of coincidence. Yeah, WTF, right? Who is this guy? You know what I'm saying?
And then the other thought in the midst of this is, I want to be like that. Not realizing I was already
like that in essence, but not aware of that. You know what I'm saying? It's like you got a well in the
backyard, but you just think it's a hole. So you'd be thirsty in the mud.
This is the reality with most people you feel me hmm, they got wells But they thirsty in the world you
feel me but I was realizing you know I realized I was already in a different kind of mind anyway like
expanding like this something else in this world and I'm looking
See how I'm connected to this. Yeah and so You know these kind of experiences with the brother and he
said go to Jamaica. I'm like, okay How am I get to Jamaica, bro? I ain't got no loop to the me and sister.
Why don't I'm going to make And at a certain point I went to this place called Bobo Hill Which is also
called Zion It's very
monastic kind of living like they live like literally by Leviticus by the eyeball like the women are
you know during their time of the moon or whatever three three weeks whatever out the month you know
a sea woman so they like monks but they still you know propagating their children you feel me and even
that's like
There's a whole order like you gotta go see a priest to connect with this woman to see if that's,
you know, in alignment is strict. Wake up in the morning, you prostrate. Mind you, I dug all of this.
You wake up in the morning, you prostrate. Noon time, you prostrate again. In the evening time, dusk,
you prostrate again. You know what I mean?
kind of liberty, and then there's Nyabengi drum, Rastafari drum ceremony going on. Time and time and
all throughout the week, as well, a lot of time in the morning, you wake up on this bengi drum, so you
got frequency, you know what I mean, eye-line frequency, spiritual frequency, first thing in the morning,
and you waking up to that kind of vibe. Energy out there, you know, people pray in there, they've been
doing that for
decades upon decades is the resonance in that kind of space where. Of course. Dude, I was sitting having
reasons with, you know, just me and John, I and John, right? Mm hmm. And it'd be thunder, bro. And no
cloud in the sky. You gave like like, whoa, not near a cloud. You're talking about in response to
in response to the, what the, you know, sealing the reason up is that I'm, you know, most high. Yeah.
Sometimes you reason with a person, same thing. You hear some vibe, you know what I mean? Or some wood
cracking, or you're like, whoa, energy like that. Yeah. And consciousness lets you know whether it's
what it is or not. So, you know, and that's why I talk too about, I talk about often, bro,
is that spirituality is
extremely intimate and personal. And so nobody can like, like, that's one of the things about this channel,
right? Like, you know, you might hear somebody talk about UFOs or anything on his, on this channel,
but I don't attempt to qualify nobody's reality, nobody's experience. You know what I mean?
I don't try to, yeah, I don't. If I feel like a cat talking to me about some, some as far as facts,
he probably ain't going to be on the show, but ultimately what I'm saying is, you know what I mean? You know,
You can, you know how you say it, it's a vibe, you know what's up, so. Indeed, indeed. So like, I'm
up there at Bobo Hill at a certain point, I'm leaving, right? I'm going back into Montego Bay, through
Kingston and all of that. And they have what's called Robber Barons. Yeah, for sure, I know, I'm familiar
with them. You know about them?
They basically post up on the road and they rob tourists basically from on the bus. It's just get right
up on the bus and just strong on bug like that, straight G. Now I had, I was coming back. I, you know,
this is, I just, I just started wrapping my head. I've got my head wrapped and everything coming down
from Bobo Hill. And I got a ride staff with me.
and I got a white pregnant queen. You're an American. Yeah, some of them mines anyway. But at the same
time, I get on the bus, right? Big dread is driving the bus, right? Big, big old tam, right? I get on
the back of the bus and me and her sitting there and I'm just on the bus. At a certain point, I get
a vibe like I'm in danger.
You feel me, bruh? Like, get this vibe. Like, I ain't no scary mug, like, you know, like that. But I
get a vibe, like, something I need to, like, steal my energy up. So I'm in the back, and I'm basically
just doing a heartbeat with my ride, with my staff. Right. Internally, I'm just chanting, you know.
And we bus driver driving.
A couple points, he gets stopped by, you know, like I said, robber barons. And one of those particular
times, I watched the brother, the brethren's like, they see me in the back of the bus with the daughter.
And they're like, ready to rob me. Mind you, it ain't simple anyway, but they ready to rob me.
And brethren like, no brethren, no brethren, a man blessed, protected Aya. You see that cloud over Aya
and I, look. I picked them up in Kingston and that cloud been following Aya and I over Aya and I had
this whole trip. I recognized it, see? Not really, I knew there was, I did see the cloud, but I didn't
really think about it in that term. I just was aware of,
chanting in my head, I meant that job protect me. You feel me? Basically, I'm putting that kind of in
vibe. And sure enough, when he mentioned it, then I'm like, whoa, snap, this is a trip. All right, so
we get back and we get back into Montego Bay. At one point, we go to see Bob up at his place, Bob Marley's
where he was buried at the time. And we had a trot up there, me and Bredger and Cutchy, another Bredger,
an old elder Bredger, and Zebra. And this other Bredger, Fire. Fire was a trip. He was a little mischievous.
But he's good-eyed, good-hearted. So they take eyeing up to see Bob and things.
And again, as we're going up to see Bob, it's one cloud in the sky, brethren. And it's sitting right
over Bob's spot. And we roll up there and everything. We finally get up there. I got some herb that
we got from the farm on the way there. And I roll up, Nick Maka spliffing thing. And Light Eye and I
spliff and get praise. I'm like super high. I'm on the rock where Bob wrote the song.
Rockstone was my pillow, too. And I'm sitting on that rock and I'm lighting the spliff. And literally,
I light the spliff, Reggie, and a drop of rain go pow on my nose. I'm just crying, bro, like praying
and just crying like, oh, Bob is here. You know what I mean? I can feel his spirit.
And then I come forward again and, you know, come back into the States. When I was up at Boba Hill,
a lot of them wanted me to stay there and be a priest up there. And I'm like, you want to stay up here
and be a priest? I got peoples that need to know certain, you know what I mean? There's certain realities
in this, you know what I mean? Josh showing me things, I'm like,
what this is wow before i left there was when i first got there to jamaica there was a mama goat and
she had like maybe four or five six baby kids baby goats and i wanted to go pet the goats and they would
not let me near them when i first got there it was like
Like the bus, mama take the little goat, the baby goes, shoot, gone. But after about, like I said, a
week or so, I'm drinking Cerisee tea and eating like tall food every day and getting, you know, sun.
And by the time I did, the day before I left, I'm smoking a spliff up on the structure where I would
climb up, because it was like some hotel they were gonna build, but they didn't finish building it.
So they had a staircase and a platform, a staircase, a platform, staircase, and a platform way high
up. So I would go up there and meditate and practice capoeira. So I did that. I was practicing capoeira,
and then I was sitting on the step. And I look up, and the mama goat is rolling up. And she got the
little kids.
And I'm like, in my head, I'm like, I wonder if she'll let me bless them. Don't ask me why I had that
thought, but that's the thought I had. And goats had a kind of long, flat nose, you know? I watched
the goats, the little kids were like behind her, you know, to the back. I watched the mama goat.
turn her head and take each of the little kids with his nose and push it forward towards I and each
one walk forward to I and I. As each one walks forward, Bridget. So then I and I come forward back into
the States off of those kind of vibes, you see? Right. And Muggs was like, one, I was two shades darker.
So I'm my real native tone. So my energy is up on that tip, because my melon is melanated in the fullness.
So I'm pulling in more energy on that tip. And then I come forward, I'm all rap-type vibes, like, whoa,
what happened to you? You know what I'm saying? Most of them was like, kind of like, what happened to you?
Right. He's different. Yeah. They see, they see guided. He always said, you know what I mean? We sat
out front of this porch where we would all kind of, you know, kind of connect. It's at a crossroad in
Wicker Park, little hip hop shop that is my homie owned it. And like the little guard basement with
the Afrocentric bookstore. So we used to all kick it around that thick.
So we were sitting out there one day on the porch and it was raining. And I had just seen this movie,
some culture flick, where the roster man was like, with intention he could bring down lightning. And
I was like, what? And I got that kind of mind where I'm like, well, why not? And I was sitting out there
in the rain.
Me and JC standing out there underneath the army. And I was thinking about this flick. And I was like,
I wonder. And so I looked in, I put my intention. I also had the intention, mind you, that it would
bring no harm. And I pointed at a certain area in the sky, right? And lightning came down. I'm like,
OK. And I looked over there, and I focused.
and I pointed and lightning came down. I looked over there and lightning came down. And JC sitting right
next to me, I'm just a little naughty big dread, right? I'm like, dude, dude, dude, I'm doing that.
I'm like, look, and I do the thing again, right? And he looks at me and he goes,
and now I get it because there's certain things like like I could tell one these kind of things but
for some people in the world it would shake their whole grid to the point where it wouldn't be conducive
to their spiritual development in reality because they're not ready for that particular bit of meat.
And you know, I'm, you know, I'm gonna just say this, bro, the world, so they don't, you know, people
don't believe shit, you know, if, if, if, you know, if you don't, so, you know, they don't have, a lot
of people don't have connections to their spiritual. Self. Yeah, their spiritual stuff, I'm trying,
I'm trying, I'm trying, yeah. Their spiritual navigation system, that's what I, yeah, their spiritual
navigation system. That's what I'm saying.
you know a conversation with a person can allow for you to be able to read through the energy what's
what you know what I'm saying if your navigation system is working is what I'm saying so cats who don't
have no navigation system when they hear spiritual conversations it's like yeah whatever shut the fuck
up bullshit too you see what I'm saying but you have some kind of spiritual navigation they get goosebumps
they get affected it affects them in reality because
the spirit that carries through in the word, the words is word, but the spirit that's in the word, the
words behind the words tell my spirit whether it's true and then I get goose bumps. You feel me?
The word, the truth of the divine, this is something that you touch on as deep, you know, cause I utilize
it on one level as the awareness of that fact and just,
when in my interactions with certain with certain ones and ones. Cause I can, this time and time and
Bridget, I know like I'll say a certain thing in the midst of a reason, spiritual reason with someone
and no, they felt a vibe. So often they'll do the look down thing. They'll look down at their arc cause
they got goosebumps. You understand? So the truth penetrates a person and their soul is in there. Yeah.
And when you speak from that, when the person is speaking, how they say in spirit and in truth, then
it has to like, it's all kind of car. What is that? It's a train horn in the background. Oh, right now
the soul has to resonate because it literally is its own self. It's its own essence. The truth is bounced
at it. It's going like a tune is for, you know what I'm saying?
100% it must be felt on certain levels, some of that is, you know, that's why we here to a certain degree.
I feel is that some people's catalyst to awakening. Yeah, I agree. I was talking to that casual interaction.
It might've been, you know, nothing to I and I, but to that person. It was profound. Yeah. And it was
their first initiation to it.
So it could definitely be like you see a crack in the shell or a shaking of the whole frame because
you like, my goodness, hold on, now damn. You know what I'm saying? If you've never looked beyond the
veil, if you've never attempted to crack, you know what I'm saying? Crack that shell and see what's
outside that mug when you do or somebody come along who brush up against you and you just, you can't
deny it. Like you said, it touched you. In fact, this is what brought that up, the goosebump thing the
other day. I was talking to a young cat.
I work with, felt, you know, a farm-colored cat. And I'm telling him a story. And you know how we talk.
It ain't even a matter of me saying, you know, like I said, what I said, I said, like, that shit really
happened, bro. You know what I'm saying? We just say things like that, right? And he was like, no, no,
I believe you. I know because I can tell because, like, if you were lying, I wouldn't have got goosebumps.
Like, I got goosebumps, my whole fucking, look at my shit.
You had to give him some kudos. I did. That's why I'm telling this story. Because a lot of our young
people don't know to pay attention to that. Yes. Like, dude, pay attention. He was lying. He was lying.
He was lying. I couldn't have got goosebumps. I said, go ahead, little man. Go ahead, young man. You
see what you do. Yeah. So I approve of him. You know, I told him I ain't going to rush you. But at some
point, I do want to have him on the channel. You know what I'm saying? He deep into the Illuminati and
that kind of thing. So I'd like for him to do that.
I mean, his spouse is big. That's a stage. Let him get through that because he got greater clarity to
offer. Yeah, yeah. I see where he's going. I'm in no rush. I told him I'm in no rush. We hang out,
so yeah. I told him I'm in no rush. The greatest maturity I and I saw that, you can't hit me with this,
it was actually during my first travel to New Mexico where I'm at now. Young brethren, too.
Kind of stumped, and I was old, you know.
you know, I would start on my, you know, ministry and whatnot, start doing the whole teaching thing,
being in culture. And the brethren walked up to me and he said, can you, but he said, but can you express
it? And I was like, damn, yeah, you know, I'm talking God. And at that time, I mean, though I, though
really I would have to say, you know, it wasn't the best
he could have offered me per se. At that time, I was expressing it just, but not as deliberately and
consciously. You understand, I was going on just pure, which is dope, don't get me wrong at all,
on just pure, dope, raw spirit. Yeah. In spirit, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Do that, okay. Do that, okay. Pure, really pure obedience. Otherwise I couldn't have seen my, if you
told me I'm gonna leave a rainbow gathering. Bro, okay, let's get to that. So at this point I had the
kid, at a certain point, mom start acting up. So she thank the kid.
and take him to Minnesota, unbeknownst to me, basically kidnapped him, which, you know, that's how I
know there's a guy in my heart, because somebody else would have been like, I'm calling Popo and all
that, but I'm just like. So how old was the kid and you and at this stage? He was like, I think at that
point he was seven, six, yes, six, seven, six or seven.
around that age. So you have been with her for a number of years. We're close to our kids, bro. So you
have been with her for a number of years. So that was shaking on the heart tip for my person.
That was like, we talk about traumas and stuff. That was definitely like, oh, my shorty, you took my
shorty. I could never see that happening. You did. But then that also at the same time freed me up.
And a year ago, I had on that earlier mentioned recording project with my friend, Atma, been in Minnesota
where I met this young lady who's a rainbow person. And she was like, you gotta go to the rainbow gathering.
I was like, well, if John calls me, then I'll be there. We'll see what y'all do. So a year before the year,
Explain to us what the rainbow gathering is because we're dealing in a different generation. I'm going
there too. I got it. For those that don't know what the rainbow gatherings are, there is this hope and
prophecy that there will be these rainbow people and they will gather together to create and usher in
peace for humanity.
So off of that, a bunch of hippies took this prophecy, basically, and a whole bunch of other people,
spiritual cats. The National Gathering, there's literally people from all over the world at the National
Gatherings. So you get Indian, you know, practitioners of Sat Dharma or Hinduism, as people commonly
know it, that are actual practitioners from India up at the Rainbow Gathering doing their thing.
somebody from, you know, Islam, and somebody from the spiritual things, so on and so forth, to get all
those cats into rainbow gathering. And then on the 4th of July, they all get together in a circle and
they chant all for world peace. Beautiful. So, a year from this sister invited me to this thing, this
brethren I know,
This young, you know, dreadlock, I always see him in the neighborhood on his roller skates. He's that,
he's that dreadlock. He's on his roller skates in the middle of the street with a bow staff doing like,
you know, Kung Fu martial arts with a bow staff on roller skates going down the street. He's that dude,
bro. And he rolls up one night.
I was sitting in the park, I broke up with my queen and all this. I was sitting in the park wondering
what the heck to do with life at that moment. And he rolls up to me and he's like, hey, I'm going to
the rainbow gathering. If you got some gas money in a couple of days, you can roll with me. And I was like,
And it dawned on me cause I was actually just like hour ago before he rolled up was thinking about,
you know, the summer before and wondering when the rainbow gathering was. And I didn't really know what
exact date it was. And he rolled up on me like that. And I was like, okay, God, right. Yes. I'm going
to the rainbow gathering, the green, and you know, so I flipped that real quick, quick, made some gas
money happen.
And I went to the Rainbow Gathering. So when I got there, I had one of the little hemp backpacks with
some stones in it, some crystals and whatnot, which I moved to different places. I left in different
places in the forest. And when I left the Rainbow Gathering, before I left the Rainbow Gathering, I
was kicking it with some elders from Taos, New Mexico. And they invited me out to Taos.
I was like, well, I'm gonna sleep on it, I say to them, and I'll see what y'all say. So I went,
you know, into my tent. Don't ask me how I got a tent, because I didn't have one before I got there.
I somehow got a tent. And I went into my tent, brushed my head and thing, and I had a very clear vision
of traveling in a white Jeep Cherokee
with gold trim and gold spoke hubs, very clear. And so I woke up and I tabled that, you know, vision.
And the elders was asking for help with their gear and whatnot to their car. They had big TP poles and
all this vibe. So I was, like I said, in my 20s then. So yeah, I was like, worry, no pressure.
So I went and, you know, helped them and I tried down to their vehicle.
And what is the vehicle? Well, the white Jeep Cherokee with gold trim and gold spoke up. So I went to
Taos, New Mexico. Yes, sir. Where I went to my first sweat lodge here, there in Taos. And then I connected.
It was adopted, kind of taken in by some Tiwa people here on the rez. And so I was in the reservation,
on the reservation probably like once or twice a month sweating.
in the Anipi in this wet lodge for about a year or two. And I was living on the mesa in the tent and
or ship for part of that time. At a certain point, I remember I was living on two piece mesa and somebody
came, one of the hippie friends who came and dropped some mushroom medicine on me. And I was like, word.
I'm gonna go and make this tea. And I have a simple intent of, I'm gonna make this tea in about maybe
two miles or so from where I was staying at and walk. There's a Buddhist stupa. So I was gonna, I'm
gonna walk to the stupa. This is in Taos? This is in Taos, yeah. Off the grid. Okay. And,
So I make my tea and everything, and I put on my little jacket and whatnot. And I start trod out toward
the stupa. You know what a stupa looks like? Yeah. I'll explain. I'll explain it later. But anyway.
Oh yeah, because other people may not. A stupa, a Buddhist stupa, is basically a platform,
a square platform. And it's got four columns.
And then it's got one of those Arab-style round that comes to a point roof on it, with a statue of the
Buddha sitting underneath it. All right, so I'll get this, you know, nearest, like, kind of holy spot.
I'm not necessarily Buddhist or anything, though I don't, you know, I like, I dig the Buddhist principles,
though. They're pretty fiery. They're pretty close to Rastafari in a lot of ways.
anyhow so it was the closest like kind of holy site so that was my attempt to simply you know i'm gonna
take this tea in and i'm gonna trot to this buddhist stupa and go you know pray so i drink my tea and
i put on my jacket and i go trot out and i get about a block maybe a block and a half there's no actual
blocks out there of course but maybe about a block and a half
and it starts to flurry snow. And I'm like, got a windbreaker on and I'm like, oh snap, I'm really not,
and it started to really speed up as the snow is. And I'm like, I'm not dressed for this. So I gotta
go back into the warm, cozy crib, everybody in there smoking, having fun and whatnot. And I got my intent,
my Shaman's intent.
I'm going to do this thing. And so I did get tempted as I moved into the warm space to stay in there.
And I was like, nah, nah, nah, something going to happen if I do this. And just, you know, be committed
to this simple intent, something going to happen. Yeah. And so I went and I got, you know, sweater and
heavy coat mittens and big, thick scully and tried back out. Right.
I'm trying to get past where I was before. And it's straight up Chicago blizzarding in New Mexico out
there. I'm like, oh, this is real. I'm like, OK.
This is real. But then I just get determined. So now I'm super determined. I'm like, I'm going to get
to the stupa. So I keep trying. I keep trying. I try another mile. It's coming down like big fat stick
in your eyelashes. You know what I'm saying? Tight snowflake. I was straight trying through that. And
I finally, I get to the stupa. And I'm like, just related to just be there. Just stupid happy. My word,
I got here.
So I'm just, I got my little Trinity and I'm just giving thanks. And I realized as I'm sitting there
that there's no snow falling on my face, where it's, you know, buried. And so I opened up my eyes to
see if it stops snowing. And I look behind the stupa, I can see the snow falling. I'm like, okay. And
I look to the left of me and I can see snow falling.
out there, not on me, in the stupa, and I look same way to the right and behind me, same wise, and then
I look up, and if I were to draw a line from the point of the roof of the stupa, straight up into the
sky, it would be in the center of this opening that had happened in the cloud over my head as I was
sitting there praying. Wow. And I just was like,
I'm like whoa this is this I can't believe this is this is happening right this is like I read all kind
of spiritual autobiographies and this kind of thing bro I'm like and read of things of this nature happening
but this is me yeah of course you dig and I'm like oh shit oh
I just give and praise, give and praise, give and praise, you feel me? Of course. To where, and then
I just walk home and I remember, you know, I've been told too many people and it's probably a half full
of people I took because it's one of those things that you're only supposed to tell certain people.
You know what I mean? Now I'm telling a mass of people, I guess,
in a certain in a certain field in matter way where ones can realize that certain things occur in this
reality through spirit that how they say truth is stranger than fiction they'll mean certain spiritual
happenings that occur on the path you know i mean are
They seem fairytale-ish even to some. No, I had a whole Mr. Spinner pop up in my life. I had animals
and stuff start walking up to me out of the blue when I was in Chicago, man. That's when I started rooting
up and getting deeper in my spirituality. Channing, going night being the artist by meditating. I would
be sitting somewhere after some little, you know, works.
on the back porch and the possum will pop out the bush and walk up to me like, hey, what's up? Like,
hey, what's up? I'm smoking my spliff. Yeah, it was good. Look at me, I looked at Eddie, we vibed. We
walked back out to walk in the bush, you know what I'm saying? Another time, it's a deer. You know what
I'm saying? Another time, it's a skunk. Yeah, we've had our own experiences, like I said. We used to
sit on the back when we was all broke. I do remember that day. Yeah, I was talking.
Yeah, I was talking about that not long ago, and we was chanting, and I was about to leave, and the
deer was at the door like, dog, look at this. Baby deer listening at the door. It was a little baby
deer, bro, with spots. And it was literally like when you opened the door. Yeah, listening at the door.
It was listening at the door, and it literally had its head cocked on the door when you opened the doorway.
I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was in there chanting, yeah. Me and the other you, I was in there chanting
up the Seeky vibes. That was when I was into the Seeky parties. When I was in there chanting the vibe.
And sure enough, you went out there to check your guy, your client. They're standing at the door like,
hey, this is tight. Y'all got the spiritual vibes going on in here. You know what I'm saying?
Hey, that's what is you read in a book. You feel me? Yeah. We, we, cause when I left and I left,
cause we had, we had all, we have been, we have, we have, yeah, we've been chatting for a minute. And
when I left the first, first the deer was there that happened. Right. And then as I'm walking to my
house, it was a man walking his dog and his dog was trying so hard to get across the street, man. Trying
to get to me. Yeah.
So I'm trying to get to me, bro. It was crazy. And I was like, man, that's real, bro. I remember that
day because we reasoned about, because you asked, I and I, about communing with nature. You were very
specific, which I always dig specific questions because Mugs be asking some broad, nebulous-ass questions.
And then one is some kind of answering it with clarity. And I'll be like, how?
That's been a broad-ass question like that, but when a person asks a question that's clear, you know
what I'm saying, then it's easy, you know what I mean? Yeah. You know what I mean? People actually have
some clarity. That was, you're one of the first people that really, you know, ask a clear question.
You know, you know, a lot of people don't.
as well, like when I was telling you, I was behind GE and I was praying very loudly because nobody was
there and it was sunny and it was on the hill and then butterflies came and started surrounding me.
Yeah, I've had some experience. Like I said, I was talking earlier to, like I said, a young lady named
Tammy and we did an interview and I was telling her about, you know, why I think we have these experiences.
And I think we kind of agreed because it's like,
When you get in the muck of the matrix and the bullshit, you got to be able to remember those spiritual
experiences to always be able to realign with self and center again and not be trapped in the muck of
the bullshit. You know what I mean? It's a way that you always got like, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah,
I'm connected. You know what I'm saying? It's always a way to move back into self versus being trapped.
I don't like to call them signs per se because we don't necessarily be looking at this point I don't
think be really looking for okay am I spiritual the signs of am I really in that kind of way you know
I'm saying that we did when we were still younger and there's a certain uncertainty because and it still
minds you quite the world the spiritual world vast beyond reckoning so
But as a young person, there's a certain uncertainty at first. You're like, whoa, is this real? Whoa.
You know what I'm saying? At first, you know what I mean? But then later on, you're not so much looking
for signs to confirm, per se, your spirituality. But you are aware that different signs, such as timing or
Communion with nature or nature coming to ones and ones in the form of animal or elements like the wind
even or rain or something of this nature a leaf falling on you on your nose and specific timing with
a specific thought going through your mind this kind of thing you you're not looking for that stuff
to happen, but it happens because your ones and ones are I Like how to eat kings they attend to the
to the path and not to go
You feel me? It's the same thought that's behind you. Dig on, you know, be more excited about the journey
to the destination, per se. Yeah. Yeah. It's just better being present. You know what I mean? Because
most of the life is the journey. You feel me? Yeah. Yes. Of course. Yeah. Even when you get
to the destination, here comes more journey. That's short. That's really short.
I was talking to some shorties about this, I and I, like some youngins, and they got it. That's why
it was such a pleasure. I told them, I was like, you know, they were old enough where one of them had
graduated grammar school, the other one were old enough to graduate at least kindergarten. I'm like,
think about how long it took you. It took you three or four years to finally graduate from kindergarten,
eight years to graduate from grammar school. And then when you graduated,
It was a day, you got some little bit of money and some tape and it was done. Pretty much. Congratulations.
Next. You know what I'm saying? Then you're in the next journey and that's eight years to the
next graduation. And then that's, you have that graduation, it's done. You have that day, maybe two,
three days, everybody's like, ooh, you graduated, congratulations. Let's go go, what college are you
going to? Do all that little excitement and that goes pretty quickly. Then you're in the next journey.
Yeah, that's life. So, you know, if you learn how to, you know, I told you, wouldn't it be smart to
enjoy most of the journey? They got it. They were like, that makes sense. You know, so it's kind of
one of my focuses even in the now really is, is enjoying the, you know, journey. Yeah. Realize, oh yeah,
that's right. I did this on purpose. Yeah. A lot, you know what I'm saying? Cause there are points in
the journey where, you know, it's an adventure.
Like, like you said, it's a, yeah. And at times, like I said, you can even see the lineup. You can see
the setup. You can see how, you know what I'm saying? How, yeah, I can see how I chose all of this.
I can see how I got here from there. Yeah. When you have those moments of clarity, it definitely helps.
I, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm appreciative of this conversation.
but I think it's generally more high level than the average person gonna be able to vibe with. You know
what I'm saying? Not saying that they don't, that they won't, and that they can't, but I think in generally
speaking, the average person is not having that level of consciousness. You know what I mean?
Like you said, the average person is still looking for that proof of spirituality. I think that's what
it's about to us being, you know,
ones and ones being in our quote unquote authenticity because otherwise they don't have a window into
that. You know what I'm saying? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And, and I'm not, yeah, I have windows. I was like,
Oh, you don't mean I had a JC that dude kept popping up so synchronistically that I had to realize that
God one that there was a diet and that that God and man had to be connected. Yeah, of course.
course you did so crucial being you know what I'm saying so and I and then I see myself serving in those
same functions essentially in this time frame you know for this or that one and you know ones and ones
oh wow and that experience oh I remember I had this talk with JC about community I had to talk with
JC about community right you feel me
And then I, he explained it, you know, oh, that's all. Okay. And it was pretty much almost
similar conversation that we had. When I had that experience and the dog was like, Hey, you were like,
Hey, all this is telepathic energy, you know? Yeah. And that's what I'm, that's, look, this is what,
this is one of the things I was talking about with, with the young lady, right? And actually with everybody.
like not everybody, but probably like three people who I trust to talk about this kind of stuff, what
I was talking about, you know, like part of what I pray about now and my meditation is to be able to
heighten the expression of all of my senses, right? And to be able to, and so I've been doing it for
a couple of weeks, right? And I feel like, and you know, I got to tell
So like I'm actually becoming psychic, right? And that how it feels, what it feels like, I can explain
what it feels like. And I think, you know, and I'm sure I'm confident the more I'll do it, the more
all of what I'm explaining grows and becomes more, more, more energy field, right? Because it's like
up close to me, it's like, you know, you can feel Mug walk behind you, right? You can feel that.
And so it's like that energy, but it extends out further. So it's like the closer it is to your body
is similar to the feeling of somebody walking behind you, but further out, it's a little less clear.
But as I pray, the density of emotion and expression and understanding of what I'm feeling of anybody
within the range of me is going to become more
obvious and prevalent and less needed to be explained through words. You know what I'm saying? Yeah,
I feel like that process is actually coming and I feel like it's something people can do that you can
do it. You know what I'm saying? Like it's not something that you have to already have, but you can
practice it and you can pray for it and you can be consciously. It's just a matter of- There's levels
and degrees of it, yes. And the more intently conscious of it you are, then the more
you awaken it or access it or, or can be conscious of it. You know what I mean? So totally. I mean,
I live like that for the most part. I mean, a lot of when, when this or that one or come reason with
I and I about this, not like I don't have a script. Yeah, never. You feel me? That person coming and
I reason with them, the things that I put upon, I and I reason with them about, cause otherwise I don't,
I would just be silent really.
or I would sing or do some music or, you know what I'm saying? Something creative like that, if it was
just I, and that's it. But when that person come, is the feeling where, okay, there's a certain service,
you know what I mean? Where I and I open, I and I self, like a sacrifice, so to speak, and this tends
to be a channel for a source. You know, cause that person have whatever blockages where they're not,
And most of the time, when I reason in such manner with a person, I'm gonna reason with them with things
that's upon their mind. And it's things that they did at certain points told themself, but they didn't
listen. You know, you feel me? And sometimes I would say that to them, well, you said it to yourself,
but you didn't pay attention. You thought you was just tripping.
You know, so there needs some ones and ones and that's where I and I as a reality and I substance comes
into play. As far as the evolution of humanity of people's inhumanity and things because in order to
see this or that blind spotted off who will take and I'm paraphrasing the King actually here. It takes
other beings.
for this one, because this one now, everybody got a blind spot of sorts, and they might be smaller or
bigger. That person's blind spot is different though, you feel me? So they come in contact with each
other, they can feasibly build where neither of them has got a blind spot anymore. That being the real
function of interactions
Bro, that's the human species. You see, like, if you look at all of creation from the fucking quantum
mechanic, you know, levels from the smallest thing to the planets and the universe and the cosmos, everything
is in cooperation. Everything works together. Except the humans. You know what I mean? Even a human
being, brethren?
You just have to step back way. You know what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. From the God view, it's all.
Because God is. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. You know what I'm saying? Because God is. But this is
what we talking about. This is what we talking about. The human beings ain't even free. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. But yeah, I fully understand what you're saying. But I'm just saying, both of them bots. Both
of them bots, bro. Like right now, right? Like right now, you got it. And I'm saying that with all the
love, you feel me? But a lot of them is just bots.
flowing with programs. They don't hear their own thinking. They're not aware of their awareness to the
degree that spirituality is even considered for most of them. Spirituality is like an extracurricular
thing. They'll do that maybe when they get older. My sister told me that should y'all be talking about
to most people is considered sci-fi. I said, you know what? I'm going to have to accept that because
for us it is reality. But when you're talking to people who don't know this reality, that's just science
fiction. Like, dog, you're talking about some bullshit that you saw on a movie or a motherfucking comic
book. I'm talking about a man I met last week.
We hear you saying, what are you talking about? This is real life, bro. This is an experiential thing
you can actually have if that's what you focus on. But if you keep focusing on your phone, you'll never
have that, bro. It's not possible. It's not part of your attention span. It's just something you can
recognize when it comes. You know, so we sight up, you know, these different, like, nature and all these
things. Like, you saw the same thing that I saw when I looked at an ecosystem.
What I see basically, in essence, is all of the different parts, all the animals and all the different
plant life, Laura and Fana, et cetera, all of it's loving itself. Even the carnivores that
eat the non-carnivores and whatnot, because soon come, they're gonna die. When they die, they're gonna
go into the earth and they're gonna become grass and plants and the herbivores gonna eat them.
So it's all, and leaves fall in the fall and so forth. You dig making that blanket underneath the snow,
all this fulfilling life. You know what I'm saying? And man- One beautiful system. The problem with
man is that man, some of mankind, not all of them, but some of mankind is under the illusion that they
are somehow apart from nature when they breathe oxygen and trees
is breathing out the majority of that oxygen and they breathing in the carbon dioxide and transferring
it back and forth and we in this coexistence. So even we as a physical being existing need like plant
life, we'd be something without plant life and others be suffocating up in this piece. You feel it?
That's a real, real thing. I definitely go up in some high altitudes where it's less plant life. You
could feel the air is, you know, you get used to it, but it's different. You know what I'm saying? To
really get used to that, you know, different air quality, even though it's cleaner because it's thinner.
It's just the lungs get to get a little stronger when I go up in the mountains, adjusting and whatnot.
Yes, Sir. Well, I'm going to say this because I have to bring it to a close within a couple of minutes
here and I do want you to give any information that you might not have been able to run out or I didn't
mention or something that's on your mind that you wanted to share before we get out of here. I take
the biggest thing is that, you know,
The creator, the source, how would people overstand that or name that? I say Jah, Rastafari, El-Selassie.
And I think it's crucial for people of African descent and indigenous descent to know El-Selassie. One,
because this is a person who had an exemplary life as a being, as a leader.
too, if you really dig into his life, you will see that this man is not just ordinary. And it might
get you to look inside ones and one's selves to find that same spirituality, extra-ordinary-ness that
is our actual nature of expression.
And the more that we are able to be other batches, we, the thumb print that we are each in every one
of us, you know, the better that this creation would be. And the more that we look inside for God instead
of outside, you know, that most of us been taught this religion thing to look, you know,
outside somewhere and God is separate out in the sky and all of this vibe when how does that mean all
the love of God you feel that where inside you the peace of God where you feel that inside you the joy
any time any of these qualities of the creator that person could feel they're gonna feel them inside
the person so that's how I night at heaven is is that there's this and as well this in the midst
that a lot of us as Africans in America are quite afraid to really delve and dig on African spirituality.
But if ones were to go to a qualified African priest to do counsel, I'm speaking specifically of Ifa,
would find that our people, our culture, our history, our spiritual knowledge and the underpinnings
of that are so very wise is beyond, it's an underestimation why wisdom is too small a word in actuality.
He filled me. I did a couple of readings when I went to the, to the priest real quick. The first one
I went, he told me my people's, he did what they call a roots reading, see where my people's come from.
And in that reading, he said, what was shown was that we come from a, I come from a line of diviners
and spiritual counselors from the cradle of civilization.
At the point that he gave me this, I got this reading done, I'd already been practicing divination for
15 or more years, you see. So there's certain things in our bloodlines, in our spirit, in our DNA that
were we to go to correct authority, so to speak, we could
instead of trying to find this information, because it can be going through meditation, but it's a longer
process. We are we as a people already came up with the processes to know, hey, this is what you're
here for. This is your calling. This is these are your even your specific dues, things you should watch
out for, things you should, you know, try to build as far as in your character. All these things on
my second reading, which I recently had were
explain so to speak that I say so to speak because all the things that were in what they call my ethyl
or life map were things that I again had been doing. I've been wearing white for as long as you know
me right pretty much and I found oh you should be wearing white you got this particular spirit on your
head he likes this this energy it attracts that energy so a lot of this I say that because
because of slavery and all the other things that occurred for 400 years plus, a lot of us are afraid
to approach indigenous spirituality or and or African spirituality because it has been beaten into us
a fear when the reality is that will enlighten and empower us greatly because
Things like Ephah is like 8,000 years old, brethren. That's amazing to me, at least, that God could
write something down 8,000 years ago about me, about you, about this person, that person, and it be
accurate to a T. See? Hold tight, I lost sound on here. Hold on.
I got you back. Okay. So what I was about to say is the EFA, um, what, what method do they use in the
divination? Is it like astrology or is it what, what method of divination for the outcome of the reading?
Well, with EFA, there's basically patterns. They either throw 16 calorie shells or they have
on a rope type of chain, and they throw that and they look at the pattern of that, or they have what's
called an appellate chain, which is very interesting. It's basically this certain kind of nut seed,
and it's on a chain, it's four of them, and it's two chains. And the person would basically put it in
their hand altogether, and then they would throw that out, and depending on how the nuts fall,
Mm hmm. And this is a binary. This is this when you dig on it. This is the first the first binary computer
we build binary. That was pretty yeah, pretty instantly thought, you know, the zeros and ones of a computer,
right? Exactly. You can only get Yeah, you wait. You're a clever one. I know that. But yo, uh,
So the first binary computer, and in this particular system, it's 16 by 16. So there are 16 major old
dudes. And then when you multiply those 16 by 16, you get 256 permutations for old dudes. And this covers
basically all the human experience, man, and pathways of life that people choose. OK.
And so these were written, like I said, 8,000 years ago or more. And so that's amazing. When we cite
up things like the scripture, it lines up with the Bible even in the sense that the Bible says you were
called and preordained before you were clothed in your mother's flesh. This literally, when I go in
and got a reading done and it said something about,
me and this was written 8 000 it literally is the real deal um manifestation of that scriptural reality
and it's been this way since and it doesn't mean per se that a person's life is utterly deterministic
you understand me of course of course there's choices in all these things and sacrifices and so forth
many of which are
you know, of character, how we treat people. Like one of my things is I'm not supposed to speak harshly,
for example. Let my words be sweet. That's one of my taboos is to not, you know, cause I will pay and
it's been true in my life times where I really like snapped out. Yeah. We learned from the wisdoms of
our mistakes. Like somebody else do the same thing and not get the same kind of, you know,
because there's certain energies, depending on what we've chosen as spirits. Yes. That's what we were
talking about earlier. Like you can't mess around with. You're not supposed to go to hell. Hey, you
need to go to heaven. Some people say, Hey, this is heaven. You were supposed to create heaven. So yeah.
Oh, did I lose him? It looks like I lost the brother for a minute. Is he gone? Well, okay. Oh, okay.
He's back. He's back.
All as well, all as well. Okay, well, it's good. It's about time to wrap it up. Anyway, I'd have to,
you know, tend to some other things, but I definitely enjoyed this conversation and I look forward to
doing it sooner than later. And yeah, anything else you wanted to get out before we get off of here?
I think that's all we can cover in this in the midst of this, you know, like you said, my story is long,
but I wanted to, you know, hit some
fine points mostly again and it's not about so much about me as it was is about like we like one say
we one do these does these kind of things feasibly to inspire other ones and ones that are you know
seeking or on the path already you know need some affirmation still like the young brother you were
talking about
to speak to someone older or to have somebody older speaking even and be like, yo, you're not tripping
young, keep on it. It's all good. You're not freaking, you're just going into another, you're entering
into a spiritual realm on earth. You're into heaven on earth. So don't trip, keep on walking. Well,
everyone, I'm glad you all were here. I hope you all can share.
Uh, join the channel, man. I don't know y'all missing a lot. There's so much good wisdom coming out
of these people. I'm interviewing it. I don't intend to stop. I intend to do interviews and then we'll
do sessions on different specific topics. And this is going to continue to grow. So I would appreciate,
uh, all of your participation, your sharing your thumbs up, your likes and subscribe.
Yeah, your comments as well. You know, you've had experiences and I'm sure, you know, some of these
things probably tapped you on the shoulder. So if so, please comment and be involved. But like I always
say, all roads lead to spirit and I will see you guys in the next one and hopefully that'll be soon.
So peace out, one love. Bless the love and light all the while, Jah. Rastafari. Salam alaikum all as well.
One love. One love.