All right, welcome back to My Spiritual Experience with your host, Brother Sadiq. Today, we have a new
guest, someone who I have known for a bit of time. She is a friend of my mom's, actually. So rest in
peace to my mom. And that is our original connection. And so she has had her own spiritual experiences.
Her name is Tammy Clemmons. I like to call her Tammy
TMI Clemmons because she is too much inspiration. And so yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, like, like I said,
I try to get a good gauge on the people who I have on this show, because like I said, we don't do the
crazies, but we do do the ones who are on the extreme edge of spiritual life. So
That is exciting to me. And today we have Tammy here. And so we're going to get into it here. Of course,
as we always do, it's freestyle. We move off the spirit and this is an interview so you can get to know
some of the community. I'm sure later we'll probably get into more. We'll probably do another one,
but it'll, you know, it'll be beyond the interview at that point. Okay. And so, yeah. So we have Tammy
here and I just wanted to say thank you for being here.
Well, I would like to say thank you for having me. I have been so excited for this. I just, this is
my favorite thing to talk about. And I just want to say hi to everyone and tell everybody that I'm not
trying to convince anyone of anything. I am simply sharing my experiences. And that is a wonderful thing
because that is the idea, right? To make spirituality and everyday, you know, common thing for us to
talk about at the water cooler.
Yeah, it is for me. If anybody knows me, they'll already know. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, that's the beauty
of it. You know, we have to have those people who are not uncomfortable talking about spiritual experiences
and sharing the reality of their life in relation to spirit. Right. These are just things that I've
went through that are like any other piece of my life. I just tend to hold these a little more dear,
some of them a little more dear to my heart. Yeah.
I find that most people have had some sort of spiritual experience in their life and what we generally
find with that is that people are, like you said, they hold it close to themselves. It's not something
they're just comfortable talking about generally speaking because they don't realize the value of speaking
and a lot of times I think people try to talk them out of their experiences so they're a little afraid
maybe to share they don't want people to look at them like they're you know crazy even though a lot
of these people have probably had experiences themselves and they've talked themselves out of it yeah
yeah I think we have experiences that are outside of what we're comfortable with and it's a like a defense
mechanism almost to
um say no that ain't that didn't really happen i'm just you know and remove it from your mind i think
a lot of people also are kind of indoctrinated and they're afraid of these experiences maybe like not
christian or whatever religion they happen to follow and there's such a wide array that i kind of
I've struggled with that at some points in my life. So I understand it. Um, but I've kind of went beyond
that now and said, you know what, my experiences are mine. Nobody's going to talk me out of it. I'm
going to share my experiences. Even if people think I'm crazy, I'm okay. I've been called worse. Well,
I definitely appreciate it. And, uh, I think that in the bigger scheme of things that, you know, people
like yourself are, uh, influencing others, you know,
unbeknownst to yourself maybe, right? Just by sharing, because people, like I said, I believe the spiritual
experience is way more common to the human experience than people like to talk about. But when it's
shared, more people feel more comfortable talking about it and bringing it out. And like I said, that's
the idea of the show, to make spirituality an everyday conversation, a part of our everyday life. Because
my idea is that our base itself is spirit.
This is our natural form that people are trying to take away from us and conform us into what they think
we should or should not be basically. Yeah, I mean we're like they say we are the soul or the spirit
having a physical experience and I think one of the thing that traps most people is that the physical
becomes more real and more expressive and the only part of themselves that they are willing to
you know, recognize as real. Yeah, I totally agree with that. Well, uh, I don't, I don't, I didn't mean
to cut you. No, you're fine. I lost my train of thought. It's fine. It's fine. That happens to me frequently.
Okay. Well, I just, you know, we're kind of just going on here. I do want to get into you. You know,
that's, that's what I meant. You know, I do want to get into the interview.
Right, so. Yes, yes, yes. Thank you. Namaste. What I'd like to do, though, is, yeah, I like to start
most of these interviews in the same spot. You know, what is your earliest memory of some spiritual
experience that you had that let you know that there was something going on outside of the everyday
story that they tell us?
So the first one I can remember was probably when I was around 10 or so. My background is I grew up
in a Christian home with the roots and the Pentecost. I wasn't Pentecost myself, but I did
go to a Pentecostal church when I was younger, mainly for the ice cream. I'm not going to lie. We all
went for the ice cream. So you said the roots and the Pentecost? The roots. The roots.
Oh, the roots end. Oh, I got you. Your pin causes the roots. Got that twang on here. Okay, I got you.
Yes, ma'am. Okay, go ahead. I'm sorry. So we were on, I was with my mom and we didn't go to church all
every Sunday, but my mother would go to different ones and try them out. And we were on our way to church
this one particular Sunday. And I was just kind of gazing out the window and I just remember thinking,
why do I even have to go with here? You know, why is she making me do this? Is God even real? And I
heard very distinctively a voice say, I am real.
And I was so shocked. I like turned to my mom and was trying to tell her, I said, Oh my gosh, mom, I
just asked God, is God real? And I heard the voice and it said, I am real. And she's like, yeah. She
just kept on driving. Everybody knows God's real. What's the big idea? But I heard a voice, mom.
I'm like, you don't understand. Right. But that
experience stuck with me for well still to this day apparently um and then i just kind of um you know
lived my normal life for a number of years well let me ask you before you go on sure when you uh when
you experience the voice of god uh let me ask you what was
What was the takeaway? Like, did you change, did it change your perception about going to church or
did it make you want to go to church more? Did you want to read the Bible? Did it influence you in any
way to educate yourself in the way of the world as religion goes? Not at 10. Not at 10. I was just like,
okay, God's real then. All right. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's great. I just was wondering. That answer
that question. Yeah, there you go. Okay.
then I like I said I just uh for a number of years I just lived my normal life I was a kid been doing
kid things and then um after I had my first daughter I was at a friend's house and when I went home
that night I had a very bizarre dream about her grandfather. How old were you at this age? Uh I would
say early 20s probably early early to mid 20s somewhere around in there and up until this time I had
just thought dreams are
junk that has happened through our day and it's our brain processing it because that's what I have been
taught you know um so on this particular day I had a dream about my friend's grandfather at the time
I didn't know it was her grandfather but I called her and I'm like I had this very strange dream there
was this man named Charles or Charlie and she's like that's my grandfather
I was like oh okay well he told me that you may not remember him he loves you and something about the
baby and she said oh you don't know what happened to me yesterday and I said well what happened and
she said we were in a car accident and the baby's car seat had been broken and something told me before
we left to fix the car seat and he was the only one not seriously injured or not injured in the accident
they had some some bruises but the baby was fine
And so then I'm like, that was very strange. And I had two more subsequent dreams after that, that were
a little more not as clear cut, I should say, a little more abstract. But that started me thinking,
oh, wait a minute, dreams are relevant. Something in them that maybe I should investigate. And that
kind of led me off on a whole different direction with the dream state.
Most people are scared of my dreams at this point, because if I say, oh, I had a dream about the years,
they're like, oh, wait a minute. Oh, no. Well, I love the fact that it was a wake up call for you. You
know what I mean? You made me look at things differently and see that there is so many gems hidden in
our dreams if we just take the time to look into it. So let me tell you about a dream. In fact, it's there.
There have been two dreams that I've had and I believe they're of the same place. Um, like I keep going
to this place, but it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a wonderful place. But anyway, let me explain. So there
is one dream where I am, uh, standing at the free line of a large forest, right? It could be like, uh,
you know, very tall trees, right? And, and,
I'm standing at the at the very edge of the tree line and across from so so between where I'm standing
and another tree line or the another part of the forest is a field that's probably as wide as two football
fields right well I'm standing at a tree line and I'm looking across this large field at another set
of trees that you know are pretty much evenly cut with this
line of grass going down the middle, right? Very large. And I'm standing there, this is where I appear
in the dream. I'm standing there and I'm looking and it's just beautiful. It's like beautiful green
grass and the trees, it's a forest and it's like almost a calm mist, you know? And suddenly the ground,
I start feeling rumbling in the ground. Okay. And it gradually increases. And I'm like, what?
is on the earth, you know, what on earth could be doing this, right? And as I'm looking, I look to the
right and I'm standing, like I said, right inside the tree line. And as I look to the right, there are
these buffalo. I mean, millions of buffalo coming, rumbling the ground, running between this giant forest.
And I'm standing at the tree line watching it in total all life. Right.
And one would be, yes. You're like, oh my god. Here comes the buffalo. Yes. So this dream, of course,
you may not automatically understand what that dream is. So it's like what they call manifest. It presents
its education later in the process of time. So I had that dream. And then there's this other dream that
I had. And I'm very confident that these both are the same place.
they feel so much like the same place. In the second dream, I couldn't actually see my physical self,
but my presence was there, right? And I was standing at the edge of a shore of the ocean that was, it
was extremely, you guys, you could say volatile, but it wasn't like scary volatile, it was just like,
It was almost like a new earth and this was the newest ocean and the waves were just huge. And it was
like, so that's what it feels like. It feels like the waves were part of this dream. Cause then it was
just like, I was in awe, you know, I was standing there in awe again of the waves and the size of the
ocean and all of it, you know, it was just the nature scene and both of these places feel like the exact
same place. And it feels like seeing the beginning of a new earth come.
funny you say that because I do remember a dream from when I was a child and it was like another planet
was above me and on that planet they were on a beach and everybody was laughing and happy and I was
like I want to be there and then which leads me to another question at one time I was having a conversation
with God and I was homesick really I just felt very homesick for a place that I have
don't remember, you know, if anybody knows, they know. And I was, you know, kind of crying out to God
and I was like, I'm homesick for some place. I don't even know. And I know it's different than here.
And this is never going to be like there. And God very distinctly said to me, why can't it be? And I
could not think of one reason why it could not. Now we are going where God is sending us. And that is
what I'm trying to bring
bring with me, I want to, my life's mission, what I've made my life's mission is to share fun, happiness,
love, joy, compassion to everyone I encounter. That is literally what I try to do every single day.
That is your job and that is beautiful. That is a beautiful and wonderful idea for life itself. What
I'd like to say about you mentioning God saying, why can it not be?
Right? Why can't it be? Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, why can't it be? Because I was having this conversation
for probably the last 48 hours, right, with different people about the different expressions of spiritual
people. Right. And our mutual friend, Aubrey, actually, right. Our mutual friend, he's been on the show.
Aubrey said that there is there are hierarchies and there are levels. And he mentioned some.
about someone putting a hurdle in your way and in your worldly perspective, they may seem like a challenge
or someone you don't like. But from a spiritual perspective, they are actually saying you can go higher
than where you are and there is a higher hurdle for you to jump and I just believe in you. What you
don't hear is that, let me help you grow.
Yes, yes, yes. And so that takes the spiritual ear and eye to catch from the scenario. But what I was
wanting to say about that is I was, and you know, I don't want this to come across as arrogant or egotistical
or ass-holish or any of that, but ultimately, I'm just being honest. Like I was talking to somebody
just last night about, I don't feel, me personally, that I am here to pressure people to
work towards getting to heaven or protecting themselves from hell. I don't feel like that's my job.
I don't feel like that's relevant in my life's purpose and task. I feel like my life's purpose and task
is to allow people to understand that heaven is within us, right? And the righteous souls who are here
are those who are the ambassadors for the kingdom of heaven.
Okay, this is what I believe, and I know it's a sound crazy, it's bold, it's, you know, whatever you
want to say, but the world will ultimately have to know this anyway. So I feel like we are ambassadors
for God's kingdom. I feel like my purpose, intention, and reason for being here is to help others reach
their full potential, right? That we should understand just the commonality that most of us
And if you look throughout history, most humanity have not reached their full potential. No,
not even close. Yeah, yeah. And so ultimately, is that not something that we think we should possibly
be working towards as a human species and a human family, right? Yes. Our full potential. And with the
heartbreak and the sadness of the reality of so many of us not reaching our full potential, can we not
work the rest of our lives to make sure our children do?
Right. And I've already began with my children, my grandchildren. They're already, you know, I'm talking
to them about things that people don't normally talk about. So when they go out into the world, they
will have these things to hold on to. Yes. Yes. And so that's, that's ultimately my vision. You know,
I feel like that's why I'm here. I feel like I'm more here to help people express their highest
version of themselves. I feel like that's why we are all here, right? That we're supposed to be expressing
this spiritual energy that is light, love, sun, God, good, whatever you want to call it, from the source.
And we're supposed to be expressing it to our highest abilities, right? And most of us, sadly, fear
being who we truly are. Well, the fear is so thick.
throughout all of the world. It's hard to get beyond that fear. Just when you get, get ready to break
through, there's somebody, something, some situation that tries to bring you back down and getting beyond
that is very, it's not an easy challenge, but it is possible. It is possible. I agree a hundred percent.
And I think it is the only, I love your mission. I'm happy to be part of your mission. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Um, so, you know, I'll, I'll even say this, you know, I'll even go further because this
show, the idea behind this show is of course, to, you know, make spirituality part of the everyday
experience, uh, you know, to make, you know, spirituality accessible to the everyday Joe, right? I learned
a very hard lesson when it comes to other people and my own spirituality. It was, uh,
learn through tears and attack it felt like I had had an idea for a program and I took it to a religious
institute because I thought maybe they could help me and instead of helping me they literally attacked
my own spirituality they came at me with like what church do you go they they literally started with
well we have a few problems with your program I said hey
Please help me. I've never done this before. This is why I came to you. And what they said to me was,
well, our first problem is you're just a new Christian. And that's pretty much where they lost me right
there. And then it was a parade of what church do you go to? What Bible studies are you into? Like da
da da da da. They had a whole line. And I said, I am literally only trying to help people. What does
this have to do with helping people?
And she, I had said something about meditation and she said, Oh, and you have to watch out about meditation
that borderlines on the satanic. And she said, I said, ma'am, meditation is in the Bible. If you're
going by the Bible, meditation is in the Bible. And she says to me, no offense, but you don't know how
they meditated. And I said, no offense, but neither do you. So after the phone call and several tears,
because I felt very attacked,
I will use my satanic meditation. The message that I received was, Tammy, you have learned a very valuable
lesson today. My relationship with you is between me and you. You do not let anybody else judge that.
However, my relationship with them is between myself and them. You are not to judge that. And I took
that. I have lived my life with that and that is
caused me to have two categories. I try my very best not to judge. I have for me and not for me. So
if somebody is doing something, I'm like, are you happy? OK, well, that's for you. But that might not
be for me. And I try to live by that. I so approve of that. It's a wonderful acceptance of the reality
of everyone's own personal path. Yes.
Yeah, because he's not in the same place. So my job, I feel my job is just to love them where they are
and try to provide encouragement, maybe some hope if they feel hopeless, you know, just to be a good person.
know what I consider a good person because there was a time in my life where I probably well I did I
looked in the mirror and I wasn't really thrilled with the person I saw standing before me and I had
to really dig deep and do some soul searching and make changes in my life so that now when I look in
the mirror I'm very happy and I'm very grateful for the life that I lead right and so that is the most
important thing because what what
Like we were, you know, this kind of, I think, sprung from the idea of people not being able to express
themselves. Exactly. Not having full expression is, I think, you know, a real detriment, not only to
society, but to the individual because it leads to things like anxiety. Yes. To things like depression.
Yes. And all of this is simply, in my opinion, you know, I'm not
clinically licensed in any psychological profiling. But in my opinion, I feel like most of our psychological
concerns in this world are spiritual concerns. I believe that as well. But looking into yourself is
not an easy task. I agree. 100% I agree. And so for those who do it, to me, it's always a thing where
I'm like hats off because
fact that a matter is most people don't have the bravery you know it is it is it is a thing of courage
and a thing of bravery and a thing of self-analyzation that you have to eventually take on if you are
actually looking to become your best self yes and it's very necessary and for the people who are afraid
to do it i would encourage you because it is so worth it it is so worth it to look at those
places of yourself that you may not be really happy with and to make those changes. Yeah. Yeah, it is.
It's no one else can do it. And there is no outside source that can change what you feel and what you're
experiencing within yourself. Exactly. And so we allow, you know, everyone's opinions, you know, mom,
dad, friends, family, lovers, whatever, whoever, we allow those opinions to, you know,
bar our expression of ourselves. We do. We try to dim our light and we should not. We should let that
shine brightly. Yeah. And I feel like that's what, like I said, I feel like that's one of my goals is
to not only do it for my own self, but to show and share that that is our reason for being here. Like, you know,
people go into the deepest thoughts about, well, why did God create life? Why are we here? What is the
purpose of life? And all of those things. And I think it's pretty obvious if you just look around, that
you reach your fullest, just like the plants. They grow and they bloom and they have fruit and they
have flowers and they process through seasons. And so this is the same for us, but ultimately it's like
most of us, the fears stops our growth.
You know what I mean? And it's sad to me, it's so heartbreaking because you see, I don't know what level
of spiritual insight you have, but I see inside of people the light of God. I can see the life in them
and it's like they are so layered with forms of protection, right? That's what it is. I think that's
what it is, you know what I mean?
Yeah, and you feel those away. It takes some work and it takes time and it takes bravery, like you said.
But I do feel like being your authentic self allows others the freedom to also be their authentic self.
Yes, that's why I say I think it's so valuable that we do it. And that's why it's always hats off to
those who I see willing to express themselves. So literally hats off, young lady. Thank you. Yeah.
I had no choice not to take all the credit. I really literally had no choice and that you know, that's
reality because like like Like I cannot Do what my spirit is calling me to do? You know what I mean?
I can't live with myself. You know what I mean? I can't look in the mirror I don't if I don't feel good
about me and who I've been and who I'm being I
It doesn't matter what the world thinks. They could think I'm great. They could think I'm everything,
you know, on the ice cream. You can go home and look at yourself and you're like, mm. Yeah. That's what
we have to live with. And that's what- I'm in a place where I live the opposite. I come home, I'm happy
with me. And if the outside world doesn't like it, that's OK. Yeah. You're not there yet. It's fine.
And that's what has to happen. That's where we all have to eventually get to because- But even if they
don't get it at that moment,
at least maybe I've planted a seed that they can cultivate and grow later. That is a part of my prayer,
right? That's a consistent part of my prayers and my meditations and all of that is that what I express
to the world is like an apple has a fragrance, it has a color, it has oranges, lemons, all of these
things, they have fragrances in
and energy and light, and you see them and you get a certain vibe. And I just hope to emanate from myself
that, right? Love. I want to emanate from myself my presence, love. I want you to get something, even
if you don't know me, if we don't have a conversation, if we just walk by each other in the grocery
store. I hope that something of good comes to you from me. You know what I mean?
Well, we are all love that is who we are and that leads me to so the very first time I ever meditated
right and I wanted to sling this does not happen to everybody. This was my experience. So I was in a
place where I wasn't happy. I wasn't sad. I just was kind of blah, you know, my life just felt kind
of lather rinse repeat if you want to put it like that and so I had read about meditation and I thought
well, let me try this and just see what happens.
So I read through the meditation a few times before I put it on. I put my little music on, and then
I went into the breathing techniques and went into my meditation. And for the first time, like I said,
I knew God was real because he had told me, right? But for the first time ever, I felt it. I felt the
adoration.
Cause it's beyond love. It's like the adoration that God has for us. It's like when you have a little
new little baby and you just are, you just kiss them. They're so scrumptious. You could just eat them
up and love them. That's how God feels about us. And I came out of that meditation and I was like, Oh,
God is real, but like really real. Adored and there's nothing that we can do to make him not love us.
And not only that, but none of this is real.
None of this is real. The only thing real here is love. And I was in a state of euphoria for probably
like two months because I'm like, once somebody knows all of this is an illusion, like how can you be
sad again? Right? Cause it's not even, you can do anything. And I was so thrilled and happy and euphoric
that I just wanted to run out and share this with everybody. This isn't real. You don't have to be sad.
Like all this real is love. Look, everybody's not ready.
Yeah, yeah. Everybody's not ready for that message. But I'm really grateful that I was ready at that
moment because it really, really changed. Now that changed the trajectory of my life, that right there,
that moment. Yeah, it sounds wonderful. The only truth is love. It sounds wonderful. I mean, the experience
of, you know, the way you explain that.
that gave me a certain amount of chill bumps, and I really enjoyed it. Like, to do it, to recognize
that you are adored. Like, I've never had that experience.
And I'm jealous. I know. I want to be adored. So that's why I so look forward to that experience. Like,
wow. Yeah, I'm sure it could be extremely life-changing, but it was because I knew at that moment also
that God doesn't really judge us like we judge ourselves. Yes. God is not judging us. He is.
standing with us helping us learn in the most loving of ways even though it probably you know like I
said I was like and once you know this how can you ever be sad again but then life has this way of kind
of just roping you back in to to the muck I call it the mug um you know but that's something to hold
on to when you're into that space you can remind yourself I agree 100% that's something I've long shared with
you know, people in my community, I say, you know, when we have these experiences that are, because,
you know, spirituality is extremely personal, right? Yes, very. And so when we have these experiences,
though we share them with the world or we share them with other people, ultimately, I feel like they
are, you, they are, they are utilized as tools to always recenter us when we are caught into the muck
and chaos of this BS matrix, right?
Right. Which I do see, I have this other thing that happens to me. I don't know if it happens to everybody,
but it's very prominent with me is when I'm in an extreme amount of pain, it's like the beauty of the
world is magnified to me. I don't know if that makes sense or not, but like when my grandmother was
leaving this earth, let's say,
It's like I would just look outside of the trees, the ground. I mean, everything seems so much more
beautiful to me. And I don't know if it's the pain that causes me to focus on something more beautiful
or if it's just something that God does for me to remind me that the world's not an ugly place. There's
so much beauty in the world if we stop and just look around. I don't know the answer to that question,
but it feels like
the expansion of love. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I see more loving things. Like when she was in
the nursing home, I, I noticed like the daughter brushing her mother's hair and the grandchild,
you know, going and running up and wrapping their arms around someone. Things that you kind of keep
in your prayer for all day. Those things become very pronounced to me. I, uh, I got, I guess in some
way I could,
I could say I have those experiences. So I guess with me, it's more like, so, you know, I don't really
say, oh, I'm an empath and all that stuff, but I feel a lot, right? And so often, you know, I have to
turn off that energy, right? Because that shit can make you just fucked up.
I call it, I have my bubble method. I call it Glinda the good witch, you know, that kind of stuff. Um,
and I do breath work and make a bubble around myself and nobody can come. Your energy is not allowed
in my bubble. Listen, that's when I need a little break from my best practice is, um, uh, uh, um,
I guess you could say controlling or organizing or attempting to order that energy is going into grocery
stores, right? Walmart, right? One of these large stores with all of the people and you feel different,
you go by different people and stuff like that. So, you know, it's a, I find that experience that's
the, in some ways it's cool. In some ways it can be daunting. And so like every occasion, you know,
occasionally I'll accept
what is coming right I'll accept it all right from the whole of the world about going through some oh
are you talking about some tears pouring yeah like you feel the pain of all of it you know you know
the beauty and the source and the and the possibility of it all and you see the contrast and it's like
I know. I know. It's hard to have a heart. It's very difficult to have a heart in this world. Yes,
it is. But I will not let them stop me. No, no, no. I hear that often too. I hear that often. Never
grow weary of doing good. And I think maybe for women, it might be a little bit more, I don't want to
say easier, but I'm perfectly comfortable. If I'm in Walmart and I see a
someone just having a total meltdown. I will go, I will cry with them. I will go there and put my arm
around them. I will comfort them. I will cry with them. But you know, like for men that would probably,
that might come across as creepy or, you know. I'll say I've never done it. You see what I'm saying there.
And this, you know, it's sad, but that's a factor of social cues, too. You know what I'm saying?
I will say, I have actually prayed with people, though. Like, people have actually, you know, that was
a shocking thing to me one day. There was a neighbor of mine, and she was like, Joe Charles, could you
pray with me? And I'm like, sure, of course. And it was just me, like, what made you,
you know, assess that I was the guy that you needed to pray with you. You're like, what kind of signals
am I giving off over here? Yeah, yeah. It was, you know, I accepted it. It was cool, you know, but it
was also surprising. Like, okay, sure. That's a surprising honor. You know what I mean? But yeah. So, um,
Yeah, okay. We've just kind of gone. It's okay. I'm sure both are enjoying our little tangents. Yeah,
I think it'll be valuable for people because I think it's kind of internalizing, you know, it's giving
the internal experiences of people who have these experiences. Yes. So if you're having these experiences
and you can relate to what we're talking about, then there you go. There you go. Yeah.
I was going to say too with the meditation. So I am very much, if I don't know, I say, I don't know.
You know, I'm not going to pretend. And people would ask me previously about past lives. Do you believe
in past lives and this and that? And I would always say, I don't know. I have no idea. I have nothing
to gauge it by. It's not mentioned in the Bible because at this point, and I still do enjoy the Bible
and go by scriptures of the Bible. So I don't want to act like I'm just some kind of
I understand the point of religion, but then I had an experience through meditation where I remembered
a past life and so now you can't tell me that I've not been here before because I'm pretty sure I have
a few times.
Well, this sounds like something that I'm sure my audience and myself definitely want to hear. Say hello
teaser there for us. Well, it was just, it was a meditation I did where you kind of start with your
life where you're at now. And then you go back five years, 10 years, 20 years, you know, and you just
keep going back. I'm not going to back any further because I don't want people to know how old I really
am right now.
just kidding and then you go beyond that you go back to like the womb you go and then you go you go
beyond so i tried this meditation and i literally remembered a life and it's different than a regular
memory because of the emotion there's so much emotion attached to this memory you know yes
And where I was Native American and I was living amongst a tribe and what a difference, what a huge
difference that life was compared to this life. Because in that life, what I experienced was spirits
just wander freely amongst, it's normal. It's normal. They did not think anything of it. It was a very
peaceful life that I remembered.
So free, free, free, I mean, you know, free of a body, spirit? Yeah, spirit would just move amongst
the people. And they weren't like, you know, OK, if we were in our house and you saw some spirit walk
by, you would be like, I don't know about you, but I would probably have a heart attack and become a
spirit. So. Yeah, I don't.
anything. Exactly. It was normal. It was normal life in that life that it was just part of it. It wasn't
scary. It wasn't it was just so. So were they able to just communicate with the spirits like we communicate
with each other? Yes, but it's not like they weren't honed in on each other. They were just kind of
living parallel. I don't know how to explain it. That is beautiful because that is actually the
I guess you'd say the worldview of Islam, right? Islam says, and I mean, many, I mean, this is this,
I'd say that's very throughout all of the religions that I've studied that yes, this is the existence
that we actually live in now, right? I'm like, like, we just don't see it. We don't see it. I guess
that's the difference. Then you could, and it wasn't so much like I was seeing it, but I knew it and
I sensed it.
Right. Where my senses in this life are not as honed. Right. As they were at that point. So yeah,
I've had a, you know, I've had a experience of, I was actually with a waking vision where I saw myself
in a physical body that was other than this one. And so yes, I do believe
that there are, you know, we've lived in other lives or times. And the reason I say it was a different
time is because I was sitting on a corral, like where you corral animals, but it was made of wood that
was just like trees that were laced together versus, you know, to cut wood that we use that's all pretty
today. Right. And I was sitting on the corral and it was like,
probably nine kids in front of me. And I was like telling them a story and I couldn't quite tell the
words that I was saying, but it was obvious of the energy that I was telling them a story that they
thought was entertaining and funny, but it was also deep wisdom for their education. And so I recognized
that. And, and, and, and you, you know, my uncle Cleveland, right? Yeah. I was about his height, uh,
about his build. Uh, and, um,
Yeah, so I had this experience of seeing my...
And, you know, I was fully awake. And I experienced my consciousness being there and here. It was the
craziest. It is crazy. It just feels like, wait a minute. I knew that was me. Yes, I had that experience.
And so, yeah, I think, you know, I didn't even really too much care about other lives, right? I didn't
care whether that lived. Hey, what is this relevance to what I got to do today? You know what I'm saying? Exactly.
So what I, you know, I'd never, you know, put any attention to it, but when I had that vision, it's
definitely relevant to what I do now, right? Like, so my vision for this- It kind of carried forward
into- Yes, yes. Me teaching the children is the whole vision of my 24-Hour Community Center and helping-
Like, if I could put what you know into a 10-year-old, 12-year-old, and in 10 years, they grow with
that? Yes.
If we could take a generation of eight-year-olds and put everything that we know from deep spirit and
high science into these children, and we teach them from that, what we're creating is heaven on earth.
Because they're going to create impure harmony and balance with everything that's around them. And this
is the future vision than version of life that I see for our world.
That's my efforts, right? And this show is part of it. Honestly, I hope to find souls who recognize
and are willing to sacrifice for those children because it's the only future that is going to make any
sense for us. Like where we are and what we're doing, like, oh, teach the children, the children are
our future, all of that, right? But what we're going to teach, we're going to teach them to be a lawyer
and a doctor and the same thing that we've been teaching and we just get to another
you know, another generation in the same cycle of BS? Or are we gonna teach them? Because this is the
thing, right? Science has proven that these children can learn five languages by the time they're eight
years old. That means they're a super sponge in those years. So we can teach them high science, high
spirituality, and they're going to soak it up. And it won't be a question of let's remove this, you
were born a center mentality that you have,
You know, you're a piece of SOB, you know, you're nothing and all that stuff. We have to remove from
ourselves as we move towards spirit through the process of living in the matrix for all of our lives
and programming and the training. We have to remove all these things to become lights like we are now.
And it's not easy. That indoctrination is very, it's not easy.
So I've got a story that kind of ties a lot of things we've talked about. And it's when I went to Bali.
I went to Bali a few years ago. And yes, very good. It was amazing. Amazing energy I hear all over the place.
energy there is scrumptious. Very good. You're exciting me. I can't wait to go to these things and have
these. It was actually, so I had gotten this call for Reiki. I don't know if you, maybe, because since
you dabbled you've heard of that. Yeah, so I went to a class for it and I thought that was the calling.
That was not. It was for me, it was kind of a weird path. It was for me to meet this lady,
I thought it was just for Reiki. It was to meet the lady who taught me that. And we kind of went down
this path and she offers this spiritual retreat to Bali. So I go to, by default, somebody couldn't go
at last minute. I got to go. So as soon as I got there, it wasn't right away, probably within the first,
by the second day, I could start hearing. I could start hearing. It was the craziest experience. We
had a friend that had just passed away.
And I also had an ex-boyfriend who had passed away, and I could literally hear them talking to me, which
I tried to dismiss because my religion didn't like that. So I tried to dismiss, this is my way of coping
with grief. I'm having these hallucinations, you know? So until the point where, you know,
the friend of mine, her name's Leah. She had passed away literally right before we left. And I heard
her telling Leah Ball, if anybody who knows her, I love you, Leah. You just made me tingle. That was
one of my very close friends as well. I love Leah. I love Leah. We love you, Leah. Yes, we love you,
Leah. Wow, that's great.
I call it the tut-tut. It was this little round outside wooden tut-tut. It had like the grass and it
was all open. You could literally see the forest all around you. So I'm sitting in here and I hear Leah
telling me to tell my other friend, you tell her I'm okay. And I say, no Leah, you tell her yourself.
It'll mean more coming from you than it will coming from me. And like I said, I dismissed it. This is
me in my grief trying to
with losing my friend. So until... Before you go on, how did you hear this? Because how did you hear
it? Did you hear it in your ear? How did you hear it? It's not like we're talking. It's like a voice
in your mind, but it's not your own. If you've not experienced this, it's kind of difficult to explain.
It's almost like your own thoughts, but you know it's not your thoughts. Right. So this is why I'm dismissing
it. So... You heard it in your inner being.
yes so i'm like i'm coping with grief and i'm being crazy okay so no leah i'm not going to tell her
that you tell her yourself if you want her to know and i go on about my my day that evening which i
have receipts as the kids say nowadays i have receipts that evening my daughter who's still back here
in the states she asked to borrow my car so she sends me this message and she's like mom ever since
i picked up your car all i can do is hear leah
And she is telling me to let our friend know, Tiffany, to let her know that she is okay. And I said,
you know what? All right, I will now. I will tell her now. Cause apparently Leah is going to make me
tell her. That is amazing. That is amazing. That was the first Bali experience I had. And I also heard
my, my ex as well, just telling me like, I'm okay. Don't feel bad for things, you know, da da da da da.
So that was my very first thing that started happening right away. Then I'm walking around the grounds
that we're staying, a place called Blue Karma. By the way, if anybody goes there, it's a wonderful place.
I see this statue of a Buddha.
And I'm looking, I'm just taking pictures. You know, I'm just wandering around taking pictures of this
and that, because it's all new to me and I'm excited. And I'm looking, taking pictures of this statue
of Buddha. And I look at it and another friend on the retreat comes up to me and I said, is it just
me? Because I feel like Buddha is looking into my soul. Like he's staring me down, like into my soul.
She kind of looks at it and she goes, it is a little unnerving, isn't it?
I'm like, I don't know, that's so strange. And then we went back for a meditation. Every day we would
do yoga, meditation, have group things. So we went back for a meditation. And in my meditation, Buddha
comes to me and welcomes me. He's like, hello? Like, hi, I'm Buddha, welcome. I know you know me and
I know you, but welcome. Excellent story. I'm really enjoying. Go for it.
So there's a lot to it. I'll try to condense it as much as I can. So I'm like, okay, Buddha just welcomed
me. Strange. All right. Hi Buddha. Thank you. You know, but I'm still kind of in this place. Like I'm
still a Christian. You know what I mean? I still follow Christ and his teachings and I'm not sure how
this fits into the puzzle. So I pray about it.
the next day we do a meditation same time. This time I see Jesus and Buddha standing side by side and
they're literally holding hands and God is shining like this light but I know the light of God is shining
out of both of their eyes and I'm like okay Jesus just cosigned we're good Buddha. Wow you got me tingling
over here.
then we go to this place called it was the most auspicious of moons whatever they have a thing there
so it's the fifth full moon which is the most auspicious according to the bali and these people um and
there is a place called the water of god it's a water temple so we get in our um we have to wear the
sarong they have certain things you have to wear and they have these fountains there's like i don't
know i think 12 of them and you go down through each fountain
and you just kind of, you know, it's a water purification. They call it water purification. So the first
one, first little fountain I come to, I kind of sprinkle myself, okay. Second one, I get a little more
into it. By the third one, I just dunk my head over and I just start singing.
I just start singing. Thank you. I'm the only one there singing. I don't care. I'm singing. Thank you,
God. Thank you for this experience. Thank you for this life, for the messages. I'm just so grateful
at this point. At some point during my singing, my hair kind of falls forward and makes this funnel.
And as I'm singing, it literally feels like in this space, in this time, it is only God and myself.
Everything else just disappears. All while under this water. Yes. The number three.
the number three which three is very significant to me but yes um so the third one my hair falls it's
just me and god i feel god this is god's water because that's what they tell you this whoever made this
water temple came there and said this is the water of god he is here and i'm like okay so then i tell
my friend who's doing i'm like oh my gosh you got to try this put your hair forward and sing
So I'm doing this, like, through all the fountains. And one of the ladies even told me, she's like,
were you singing? I said, yes, I was. And I'm a, by nature, most people don't believe it, but I am more
of a reserved, kind of shy person. I did not care. So after that, they led us to the temple, which is-
Well, how about the singing, though? When she asked you, were you singing? How did she respond when
you said, yes, you were? I was like, yes, I was. She was like, oh, OK, I thought I heard you. Kind of like, OK.
Okay, so it was a positive or negative? Um, just, I think she was like, I'm not, she was unsure.
She was like, okay, do your thing, but I don't know about that. Yeah. Okay. And I was at the point where
I didn't care. So I was just in bliss. I'm in spirit. It's me and God. I ain't worried about what y'all
think. No, not a bit. So, uh, then they take us to the water, uh, to the temple, which, like I said,
it's kind of misleading because it's outside. It's not an indoor temple and
Typically they do not let outsiders into this space, but for whatever reason, well, we know the reason
they let us in this space. Um, the priest is doing a blessing and they take, uh, they come around and
they bless me and they take rice and they put it here, here and on your chest. Rice pieces of rice.
It's just part of their thing that they do. I'm not sure what it, I am unsure of what it stands for.
You would have to Google that, but as he comes and puts the rice on my,
on these certain points on my body, all of a sudden, like whoosh, I get a deja vu to the trillion.
I'm like, I have been here. I don't think I've been here. I'm not sure if I've not been here. I have
been here. I know it without a shadow of a doubt. I've been here. But how? Because I've never been here.
You know what I mean?
So I start immediately praying. I'm like, God, I know I've been here. This is all familiar, but I don't
know in what capacity. Please help me enlighten me with that. I don't know if it's, uh, did I spend
a past life here? Like, I don't understand. So we leave, we go about our day. I just kind of leave it
there, but I'm really in a high vibe right now. Like I'm vibing high. So the next day we go, um, we
were in our group and all of a sudden it hit me.
I was like, I dreamt this. I remember this dream. It was like 10 years prior. It was a long time ago,
but I was here in this place with these people doing yoga. Like I remembered that part of the dream.
And then when I remembered that, it started helping me remember the other parts. I was at that temple.
I was in this place. And for some reason that just really made me start feeling very emotional. I started
just kind of, um,
feeling, I don't know, I can't really describe it. I just felt very emotional. Like I wanted to cry,
but I didn't know why. So everybody had left to go to breakfast and they're like, are you coming?
I said, well, give me a minute. Cause I'm gonna, I'm just gonna sit here for a second. I didn't tell
anybody what was going on, but I wanted to process what I was feeling. Was it like an emotion of harmony
that made you feel emotional? Is it the harmony of honestly,
I couldn't even put words to what emotion it was. It was just, I just felt like crying. I don't know
why. It just struck a chord with me and I'm still uncertain. And my plan was at the edge of the tut-tut
thing, I was gonna sit there, look onto the forest and pray and talk to God and just say, what is this
about? That is not what happened. God had other plans.
What happened was the lady who yet led the yoga, she said, Hey, are you okay? And I told her what I
just told you. But now I'm now I'm start crying.
I'm like, for some reason, this is just making me very emotional and I don't understand it.
And she said, do you mind if I put you in a yoga pose? I said, yes. Yeah, by all means. So she put me
in a pose called the open heart. And it's basically like you're laying on your back with your arms out
to your sides. And there's like a thing under you. It opens your heart space, supposedly. So when she
started doing that, then I started going, oh, no, this is making it worse.
Like I'm getting more emotional and they just start like crying and I don't even know why at this point.
Say she's getting it out. She's pushing it on through. Yeah, she's getting it out. So she said, wait,
wait, wait. It's okay. It's okay. She's like, let me shake up the energy. So she goes down to my leg.
This is just funny to me. Oh, no. Oh, no. I'm not ready. I'm not ready.
Wait, wait, wait, let me let me break up the energy you need your energy broken up She starts kind of
like shaking them around a bit
when you think it can't get more intense, right? So she starts saying, what is this? Oh my gosh,
what is this? What is this coming in? Something is coming in. And I go, I don't know. And about the
time I yelled that. I'm sorry. This isn't supposed to be funny like this. It's all right. This is tickling
me to death.
so uh so is it just you and her are there other people there was one other lady that i was unaware of
but she told me later that she experienced the whole thing and um so when she's she says i said i don't
know and as soon as i yell i don't know i feel a force i don't even know what it was and it's entered
from like the bottom and it traveled up my body and it came out my mouth and i was like
just made this like cry. Wow. And my whole body started trembling. It was like, I don't want to say
electrocution because like that would hurt. But it was like a power surge, just like a shock to my senses.
And I'm like, my whole body's vibrating. And I sit up and I'm like, I don't know what just happened.
Please somebody explain to me what just happened because I have no idea what just happened. Right. And
so I get myself calm down because I'm just falling hysterically at this point.
don't even know why. So, um, she's, she's sitting there and I get myself calmed down and I'm like, I
don't know. I'm looking at her. I'm like, for explanation, like, I don't know what just happened. Can
you please help me figure out what just happened? And she's looking into my eyes and all of a sudden
she goes, Oh my God. Oh my God. I'm feeling everything you're feeling. I'm feeling it all. And now we're
both like,
confused. Yes, this is wonderful. That's the beauty of spirit. We're all confused. What is happening?
And I felt very otherworldly for like the whole rest of the day like I was here, but it wasn't quite
here. Now the lady that was in there that I was telling you I was unaware of because I obviously have a lot of
crap going on at the moment. She came up to me at breakfast because I finally gathered myself and went
to join everybody else. And oh, first the yoga leader, her name was Lily. She was like, do you want
me to leave? This is a very personal experience. And I said, absolutely not.
If you weren't here, I would think I just went crazy and have lost my mind. But now that I have a witness,
it's making me feel like this was a real experience. So the other lady who was there, she came up to
me at breakfast and she goes, I was in there for that whole thing. She said, I just want you to know
that when that happened, the whole energy
of this place shifted of the the building that we were in she's like I felt it as well just like maybe
not as intensely as Lily and I were but she was like the whole energy just shifted and then we went
back after breakfast and everybody was coming back and I hadn't told anybody really what had happened
and they're all coming back they're like it feels different in here like this it feels so strange you
think you feel strange yeah yeah sounds really really exciting so
I mean, it sounds to me like you were obviously initiated and transformed into something more than you
were before you came. I mean, I would love to be like, I came out a whole new different person. It wasn't
really like that. Life kind of just went back to normal. I did have a test. I feel like a test.
So as we're leaving Bali we get on the plane flying to Doha and I have this very intense dream. I was
so discombobulated after this dream and I was flying in a plane with my grandfather who was passed and
he was looking very worried at me. The plane was like shaking and I looked at him and I said I started
to get a little scared and then I was like
What am I afraid for? I'm not going to die till I'm 83. So there's no reason to be afraid. So the plane,
um, then I, I'm flying and I saw angels and I was like, Oh, angels are real. And then the plane took
a turn and there was Jesus and he had children. He was all surrounded by children. And he looked at
me specifically as I flew by and said, feed my children. And then I heard freedom and I woke up. Now
I was so discombobulated. Let me tell you what happened.
This led to a whole other journey. I left my passport and my ID on the plane. So as soon as I walk off
the plane in Doha, I'm like, oh no, I left it on the plane and I run back to get it. They won't let
me on there. They said they found it, go to gate A and you can pick it up. I'm like, okay. Only to find
out that from that point forward, I never saw it again. So now I'm stuck in Doha by myself, no ID.
no money, no nothing. Remember faith. My phone, except for my phone. I'm getting a little unnerved.
Let's put it like that. I'm trying to remain calm. I'm putting my practices. I was on a spiritual journey.
I'm trying to put my practices into place. Yes.
A military came and escorted me to an undisclosed location in the middle of Doha. That was a little
unnerving to find copies that I had to put in my luggage. So now they're contacting the embassy. I tried
to check into a hotel, but I have no ID and I have no money. So that kind of makes that impossible.
I can't make this stuff up, receipts for all of this. As I'm sitting there waiting to see if I can get
a hotel room, all of the fire alarms in the building start going off. And they're telling us to evacuate
the building. What a trip. And I said, I'm going to have to sit here and let it burn because I can't
leave this airport. If I leave, they'll never let me back in. I have no idea. I ain't got no proof of
who I am. What are you talking about? Leave. OK.
So we got through that, they figured out what the problem was. At this point, I'm starting to get a
little upset with things, you know, I'm like, are they even going to let me go home? Like, I don't even
know at this point. So I had went to the desk. And there was, as I'm as I'm thinking these thoughts,
there's a sign behind me. And it's like this one of those signs where the words are all going across
it like that.
And it was basically the gist of it was like, I don't plant, uh, no tree grows without my permission.
No flower is placed without me placing it there type of deal. And I'm like, okay, okay. So this guy
comes from nowhere. He sees me. This is the only time I started to like get really upset and I really
wanted to cry. I was starting to get kind of scared. Um, this guy comes out of nowhere and he says,
no, no, no, no, no.
everything happens for a reason. There is a reason for all of this. What do you need? I will help you.
Do you need food? I will send you to a place to get food. Do you need a shower? Do you need a bed? What
do you need? I will help you. And he helped me get, he pointed me in the direction to get all of my
basic needs met while I was there. Cause I was there for 28 hours in the airport. So I go back to find
the guy to thank him.
because he was a light of hope in the darkness, only to find he could not be found. I could not find
him anywhere to thank him. I love these kinds of stories. So the short of it, I ended up eventually
getting on the plane and coming home. But that was kind of like my adventure and my spiritual experience
that honestly is still affecting my life right now.
because I don't forget these things and the realness of it all, it just kind of changed the trajectory
of where I'm going, literally. It sounds so, so when I mentioned the, like after all of the experiences
in Bali and I said, well, it sounds like you were activated or whatever, right? I don't, I don't,
I mean, you know,
I imagine any person of any spiritual, you know, value or thought would say that's probably what happened.
But if you're saying you haven't really figured that out yet, I would just say that's probably still
like manifesting itself. I think, I believe so. Yeah. It's not just like, okay, you've experienced now
you're done. It's like, okay, and you've started. Now you're going to grow. Yes. Yes. That's exactly
the idea that I got from that because, uh,
I don't think, you know, the average persons have that level of experience when they go on vacation,
you know? It was a spiritual retreat. Well, yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree. But yeah, that was that sounds
extremely wonderful. I'll say that. It was. Yeah, I love every second of it except for
you know, the Doha. I mean, I maybe could have lived without, but it's a great story now. Yeah.
And it's, it's validation of an acceptance of powers outside of you. You know what I mean? My takeaway
from that experience was no matter what situation you're in, you are, you have people
help you there help will be sent like you're not on your own even though i felt i mean how much more
alone could you feel in a foreign country with no id by yourself yes you know but still even in that
extreme situation i was not alone yeah and at the point where you were about to cry probably every man
that you know would probably have been at the same like i'm about to cry
in the military, when like soldiers come and say, come with us. And you're going through tunnels and
you're like, where am I going? They will not answer you. It's like, huh, okay. Oh no, not the human
trafficking story. It's like, oh, I'm about to be a sex slave. We got a million dollar prize. We got
a blonde American. Sorry world.
The times we live in, I'm just... Yeah, but anyway, wonderful story, wonderful story. And I know I've
kept you for a while and I don't want to keep you. I know you said you had your grandchildren, I think.
Oh, yeah. I, you know, I found other places for them to go today, so we're good. Oh, okay. Okay, fine.
That's wonderful. But... Well, is there anything else you wanted to share? Is there more? No, I think that's...
I mean, that's the gist of it. I mean, there's lots of other things, but I won't bore you guys with
that. Or maybe we'll do that on a later day of prophetic dreams and people who are about the past. And
they come and tell me. I am glad that you mentioned that. This will be one of our last thoughts. And
we'll be wrapping it up here soon. But I do remember you mentioning a dream about my mom. Is that true?
Yes, my dad had a dream.
just faintly remembered and i'm like oh yeah i did have a dream about your mom and and i feel like she
just kind of wanted to let you know like she's all right because you were in the dream and maybe i don't
know if the time i reached out to you if maybe you were struggling with it a little bit but she specifically
wanted you to know that she is okay and there was something else um she said there was uh i can't remember
offhand i'm trying to think
She was in my living room and she was telling you not to be disappointed about something. There was
something she did not want you to feel disappointed about.
Okay. And that, that fits more in this time than it did when you told me originally, because I didn't
quite understand then I did. And I almost didn't reach out to you because I'm like, okay, this is somebody
I don't really talk to on a regular basis. Look like message and be like, Hey, by the way, how did you
know about your mom? She wants you to know, don't be disappointed. Everything's okay. Right. Right.
Yeah. I, uh, I think I understand what all that means now. And, uh,
I thank you for happening to be that medium. You know what I mean? Oh, my pleasure. I have let the spirits
know. Please only come to me in my dream state. I'm not prepared for the wake state. I'm not prepared
for that. Yeah, that's important. I mean, like I said, I often pray for all of my, like I pray for my
spiritual insights to be heightened.
Right? And so I was talking to Aubrey about this because this is something real quick I'll share. And
I feel like it's starting to happen. Right? Like the consistency of attention towards it and my prayer
towards it. And it's almost like how you can feel somebody walk behind you. Right? You can feel that
presence. Yes. So we don't really know what we can call that presence that we feel. You know, we ain't
got no words. Right.
we can, you know, you can feel that you can feel when someone stares at you, right? Yes. But the presence
of someone walking behind you. So, so it's like that presence is being extended out further. And I imagine
that so, so it's almost like the feeling of whatever that presence is that lets you feel someone walking
behind you is extending further. And so,
just say maybe it's nine or 10 or 12 inches out from me. It feels like it's kind of dense there and
it dissipates as it gets a little further out. But I feel like the more I focus on it, give attention
to it and pray on it, that the energy that is close to me will extend out into this area that is further
as well. Like I, like I feel, you know what I'm saying? It's kind of hard to explain, but yeah. It is.
It is if we have an excuse. It's almost like I, like I can almost,
feel a few weeks ahead of me. Like I can almost, you know what I'm saying? Like getting the energy of,
oh yeah, something's about, you know, something's coming, something's about to, you know, yeah, so.
Honestly, I feel like all of us have that. It's just if you pay attention to it or acknowledge it or
not, or not dismiss it as, you know, oh, I'm just
be in this or be in that or whatever. Um, cause there have been times in my life where I could feel
things coming. I wouldn't know what it was and it wouldn't, it, and mine comes like, I can't sleep when
I get to the point where I'm like, I'm tossing and turning. I can't sleep, but there's really no reason
for me not to be able to sleep. Something's about to happen. Right. Right. Well, yeah. Uh, like I said,
this has been great. Um,
I don't want to shade any other of my guests, but you have been my best guests. I think this is the
best show that I've done. I'm really excited. Yeah, real talk. This is exciting. You gave me chill bumps
over and over. I mean, I can't beat that as a host. And I think, yeah, I'd love to have you again. We
can talk, like you said, more about your prophetic dreams and other spiritual experiences that you had.
And I think this is going to do wonders for our community.
I'm so thrilled to be a part of it. I really am and thank you so much for having me on. I've really
enjoyed it. Yeah, I did too. I think the people will and I definitely appreciate it and we'll do it
again soon, hopefully. To the people, I'm glad you are all here. I think this was one of my best and
I'm quite excited about it. I'm quite, you know, feeling kind of proud of myself.
Anyway, I like to say all roads lead to spirit. Thank you. Yes, all roads lead to spirit. And so that's
my little tagline. And one day I may even go ahead and copyright that. But that's where we headed to.
And I'm glad you all were here. And we're going to end our session here. Is there anything else you
want to share with the people before you get out of here? I just want to tell everybody thank you for
joining us. And I hope you had as much fun as we did.
Yeah, thank you. Thank you again, Tammy, and we'll see you guys in the future. All right, thank you.
All right, bye-bye. Bye.